From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 00:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12912 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:54:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB15t3a2013347; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB15t1UO023678; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB15siUO023625 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuum.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.214] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18IN3z-0005gF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:54:43 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130204158.00acb758@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "sorry" vs. "excuse me"; behavior and cultures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 00:54:14 -0500 Status: RO Pardon for combining several days' posts... I'm first catching up on digests from about two weeks' combined vacation and holidays with limited mail-reading time. On 27 Nov 2002 19:35:27 -0500, Gail Finke wrote: >In the US, people try not to bump into you in the first place. Unless you're riding mass transit in NYC during rush hour. Then the Men In Suits will barrel over you and not care a whit if it means they make an earlier train or make the transfer to their next train or bus. (I'm not a Man In A Suit, but I've occasionally been guilty of this as well, though I try not to be.) >In England, especially London, I found that people just barrel down >the road bumping into people and saying "sorry," very fast, every >few seconds. Most of the time here, "sorry" seems to be a word used mostly to convey insincere condolences, "excuse me" is occasionally used in conjunction with (non-verbal) body noises, and "pardon" is something you expect the governor to grant a lawbreaking crony. >You're supposed to weave in and out of people's way, and to avoid bumping >other people at all costs even if you have to step off the sidewalk and >onto the street. I see the weaving and such as being more closely related to trying to get from Point A to Point B in the least possible time without running. The street is an extension of the sidewalk if the people on the sidewalk are going to slowly for you. The cars aren't moving that fast, anyway! >On the other hand, I found people in England VERY scrupulous about going up >and down public stairs on the correct sides. In the US you just walk up and >down any old way you like -- of course, as long as you don't bump into >anyone! I found sticking to the "up" side and the "down" side was much more >efficient. For a while, the escalators going down to the PATH platform at the World Trade Center had plaques posted that told you to stand on the right, and walk on the left. Not easily done when the person in front of you has enough packages sticking out to block the entire stair, or if you're wide enough to require most of the stair's width to either stand OR pass... And heavens forbid you should be in the way of one of these businessmen who absolutely MUST get onto the train that's just about to pull out of the station (and so are taking the stairs, WITH briefcase and laptop bag, at a flat run)... On 29 Nov 2002 07:08:42 -0000, Jane Williams wrote: >Exactly. She can see the box, she must know it's causing you >inconvenience: why not put brain in gear? Because her own need to get information is, on her personal utility curve, greater than your need to unload the case of product at its required destination. >This is possible: but surely the sight of someone in a hurry is easy to >recognise? Not when they're coming from behind you. >And to get out of the way of? Not if the streets are crowded, if you have a lot of packages, if the hurrying person is carrying a lot of stuff, or if you have problems locomoting at breakneck speed. I've been on both sides of the coin, here, usually during rush hour in downtown NYC (Wall Street area)... > > and groups of people getting off > > the escalator and stopping while they try to decide where to go next > > don't realize that there are people behind them being delivered > > inexorably into them, One of my pet peeves! >They don't? Are they unbelievably stupid, or what? Is >there something difficult about looking at what's >going on around you and reacting to it? Remember, the other people are coming from BEHIND them, and people don't usually have eyes in the backs of their heads. OTOH, I've always been taught to get CLEAR of the escalator drop-off area before stopping and trying to gain my bearings. Maybe some (very few) of these folk come from areas where the escalators are never crowded???? On 30 Nov 2002 20:22:29 -0500, Anne F. Murphy wrote: >All I see are rude T-shirts about the way we allegedly >speak, for sale in tourist areas... I've never seen anyone local >wearing one! *G* I seem to have missed these... and I work not far from South Street Seaport. >Seriously, last year was so odd... a lot of people stayed away, so it's >nice to see so many visitors have come this year. We're getting back to >normal. As I said, we throw a great party! Definitely last year was odd. (I spent four months working in what was, effectively, a war zone.) >And I don't think I've ever been asked to take someone's picture Probably because they're afraid you'd walk off with the camera (stereotypical view of New Yorkers)... >Ob. Costume Content... dressed in black, as I am in these situations... >*G* "Everyone knows" we wear a lot of black, and that sterotype is >true! Darks, some brights, and very few pastels. Depending on your race and ethnic group, of course. I rarely see transplanted Indians in black, and most Afro-Americans I see tend to prefer to wear bright colors to blacks. The one thing that bugs me about The Ubiquitous Black is that it's damned difficult to find a winter coat in any color *other than* black, or possibly olive or khaki, or *very* occasionally, English Red or Hunter Green. These colors are practically invisible at night under sodium vapor lighting, and most of the time I'm outdoors in winter... it's dark out. *sigh* Otherwise, well, black is flattering, goes with just about any color, and goes well with most variations of coloring and complexion :) >I don't think I know anyone here who owns a pink pantsuit, as mentioned >in other posts... I actually have a linen jacket and a linen skirt in a sort of fuschia color. When the skirt fit properly (it is now both too large and in need of repair), I wore it quite regularly in summertime. I still haven't managed to wear the jacket, though... I don't recall having had pink *pants* since childhood on Long Island, though... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 01:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12933 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:00:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1612a2013624; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1611UO024677; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB160AUO024534 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuum.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.214] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18IN9F-0001bi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:00:09 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130200307.02fd64f0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Historical doubles (WAS: Re: [h-cost] Re: body type periods ) In-Reply-To: <20021127070900.27315.26257.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 00:59:40 -0500 Status: RO At 21:49:12 11/26/2002 -0800, Chris Laning wrote: >I actually seem to have a historical "double," which has been rather >amusing at times, and I know at least one other person who does too. >(He's a dead ringer for the Elizabethan portrait of Sir Henry Unton.) How interesting! One of my friends, ten years ago, could have been a double for Rogier van der Weyden's "Portrait of a Lady" . >Mine came to light when someone who knows me happened to open a copy >of Diana Scarisbrick's _Ancestral Jewels_ to the portrait of Duchess >Elizabeth, wife of the ninth Duke of Bedford, who was one of Queen >Victoria's bridesmaids (p.127, if anyone has the book). I'm not sure >I can see that much of a resemblance myself My friend said the same thing when we showed her the portrait at last year's winter holiday party... >About 2/3 of the time, their first thought is, "Who is this, your >great-grandmother or something?" (No, no relation as far as >I know.) Apparently it's quite striking. Also with my friend and all who knew her five to ten years ago and see that portrait, there's about a 2/3 recognition rate. I'm wondering if this is the norm for "historical doubles"... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 01:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12950 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1662a2013876; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1661UO025587; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB165uUO025566 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuum.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.214] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18INEp-0005br-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:05:55 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130231049.02fd64f0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Handedness and eating (WAS: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 01:05:25 -0500 Status: RO On 28 Nov 2002 09:53:45 -0800, Margo Anderson wrote: >At 11:33 AM 11/28/2002 -0600, Genie wrote: > >Personal idiosyncrasy as I'm a lefty; fork in left hand, knife in right, > >never bother with switching hands that way. > >Me too! Like many left handed children... Hmm... Wonder what it is about us lefties. I seem to be involved in a number of groups in which we are a larger minority than in the general US population (don't know about the global population)... I, too, am a "fork in left, knife in right" eater, and (generally speaking) only set down a cutlery implement to grab a glass or cup to drink from, to pass or receive a bowl/platter/pitcher/other food container, or (in the "boarding-house-reach" model) reach for a communal food container to serve myself (whatever). OTOH, any spreading of jams, butters, etc., and any other cutting I do (food-related or not) I do with the knife in my left hand. >I was grown before I realized that which hand you eat with might be >dictated by something other than dominance. The first I encountered the concept of "fork in the right hand" was, IIRC, in the Cadette Girl Scout Handbook, under the Challenge of Social Responsibility. I don't remember if it was there or elsewhere that I learned the "rules" that you are supposed to speak with both the person on your left and the person on your right during the course of the meal, that you are generally seated *across* the table from your spouse, and that the arrangement is man-woman-man-woman-man-woman-etc. around the table... >I'm still puzzled by the references to eating with the fork tines down, >though. I can see it with foods that you stab, like peices of meat, but >what about loose litle bits like peas? How do you do it? Stab as many peas as you can on the tines, eat them, and go back at it again? Or perhaps we are talking about the position of the tines as the food enters your mouth? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 01:13:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12961 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16D2a2014215; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16D1UO026887; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16CfUO026825 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:12:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuum.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.214] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18INLM-0002SY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:12:40 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130232529.02fd64f0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Barbie costume pattern magazine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 01:12:11 -0500 Status: RO On 28 Nov 2002 17:54:32 +0000 (GMT), Nicole Kipar wrote: >I just dug it out of my pattern-treasure-trove and it's unfortunately from >1996... >...it is simply called 'Barbie' and is a Burda Special magazine, and is >all in German. I don't know if they still make Burda specials for Barbie, >and I >can't find out unless I nip into a magazine shop over Christmas in germany. I don't recall seeing any such Burda Special in the US in the past ten years or so. FWIW, the monthly and (most of the) special Burda magazines are available worldwide in a number of languages (I've routinely seen German, French, Spanish, Italian, Russian, and English language editions on the magazine racks at Borders). Check GLP (German Language Publications) for more information. BTW, can anyone tell me whatever happened to Neue Mode pattern magazine? Brenda Faith Bell webwarren@earthlink.net Consultant, The Web Warren http://www.webwarren.com/ arachne@webwarren.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 01:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12970 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:15:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16F3a2014297; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16F3UO027291; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16ERUO027177 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuum.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.214] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18INN4-0003gk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:14:26 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021201002118.02fee488@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Formal manners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 01:13:57 -0500 Status: RO On 29 Nov 2002 15:26:24 -0500, Diane S. wrote: >...the fanciest dinner I ever went to was an Industrial Arts Teacher's >convention with my husband. They had a sit-down luncheon. There they sat, >500 men and me, and they were all watching me to see when to start and how >to eat it. Talk about being in the hot seat!! Whew! > But that was all a long time ago. Things have not changed all that much in that respect. Almost invariably when Frank and I are at one of the more formal (read: set with more than one fork and more than one spoon) dinners at one of our computer user group conferences, the men at the table (and sometimes the under-50 women) all look to me to figure out which bread plate, coffee cup, or water goblet is theirs, and what utensil to use with what dish... and I'm nowhere nearly as well-versed on this as Diane is! Maybe it's because I'm more confident than they in what goes where and when????? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 01:57:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13065 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16w2a2015813; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB16w1UO005135; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB16v4UO004966 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17481 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 06:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.18) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 06:57:03 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] This year's calendars Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:57:03 -0500 Status: RO I've carried 2 calendars this year (besides the Medieval Year one). One is a desk calendar called "Forgotten English 2003" that has a different word, no longer in common use, for each day. I also have 1 copy left of "Illuminations 2003: A Jewish Calendar", which started in September and goes through August. The pictures are interesting illuminations from a 15th century Hebrew manuscript, but unfortunately there are only a couple that show people wearing clothes. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 02:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13200 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB17r1a2017616; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB17r0UO015197; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB17qbUO015096 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from p182-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.182] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IOu3-0005Ex-00; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:52:36 +1300 Message-ID: <003101c2990e$9f08c860$b6c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021130140100.95284.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NZ and LotR PreRaphaelites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:52:38 +1300 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > > > Actually, just for the records, I don't _DO_ copies of things from films, > > > that's just not creative in my books. > > As opposed to copying from history;) > Nope, there's a big difference. Even my blue dress is not a 'copy', it is > clearly inspired by, but not a copy. Oh no, but it's all part of the continuum. And I was really meaning copying direct from a pattern say and getting everything exactly the same. Continuum see:) And at the extreme end of recreation is what was made for the World of Wearable Arts recently held here in NZ. Where it's all about doing new things with covering the body. http://www.wearableart.co.nz/ We got to see the highlights last night. Fantastic entries this year. I loved the supreme winner: Persephone's Descent. All articulated armour. The most costumey bit of wearable art I've seen in the contest. Usually it's quite abstract. BTW, just got a chance to see the flaming orange corset, most gorgeous and the colour.. I *love* it:) > > Have you got the book Pre Raphaelite Women by Jan Marsh ( I think)? > > Wonderful, and split into the archetypes of femininity as seen by artists of > > the time: Doves and Mothers, Pale ladies of Deatha.... Bohemian Stunners.... > No, don't have it, butthanks ever so much, I'll keep an eye out for it. It should still be available. I got mine back in 1994 I think, but I saw a spft cover rece > Nicole - about to fix the new ceiling lamp: a 'copy' of those Flemish 17th > century brass ones. *G* heheheh;) Oooh, I wore my cossie today, should get some piccies developed tomorrow. Got a photo taken with the actor who plays Gamling in TTT. michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 06:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14102 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:38:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Bd5a2023540; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Bd0UO019862; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB1BcBUO019676 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:38:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021201113810.81350.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:38:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] This year's calendars To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:38:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Janet Davis wrote: > > I've carried 2 calendars this year (besides the Medieval Year one). One is > a desk calendar called "Forgotten English 2003" that has a different word, > no longer in common use, for each day. If I am not mistaken that is the calendar (desk calendar) that Past Times carries every year, bought one as a gift one year, quite nifty. Was about 6/7 pounds or so. I can't make up my mind what calendar to buy this year, haven't found anything costumey or extra nice. in the shops :-( I s'pose I have to get a LOTR calendar maybe, or if I'm lucky I'll find one with nekkid artsy b/w photos of gorgeous model men. *G* no costumes, but hey, some bodies just don't need any. Nicole - getting closer to finishing that room every day so that she can finally get back to sewing. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 08:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14335 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:14:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1DF3a2005113; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1DF2UO015927; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1DERUO015757 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-105.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.105]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9965119FB18 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:14:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DEA0B27.9090406@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Barbie dolls costumes, was Re: body type periods, References: <20021128075453.61234.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <200211281234.24597.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060403060209060108070006" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:14:15 +0100 Status: RO --------------060403060209060108070006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I bought my first Barbie just a few years ago (I am 26). And I really hope that one day I will have a girl. I like making those little costumes. Here you can see a 16th century dress I made. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thBarbie.html My next project wil be a Italian renaissance faerie. Greetings, Deredere Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Thursday 28 November 2002 02:54 am, N Kipar wrote: > > >> --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 26 >> >>November 2002 05:45 pm, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: >> >> >>>>My Barbie had costumes made by me, and went on jungle adventures.....I >>>>was such an odd child. >>>> >>>> >>>My Barbie dolls had some costumes made by me, some of which were >>>historical and others which were not. >>> >>>I see a pattern developing here.... >>> >>> >>Ohhh yes! Say, who else had barbie dolls and made costumes for them? BTW, I >>am praying that my godchild will be a girl, because I have that fantastic >>Burda magazine chockerfull with historic costumes for Barbie dolls and Ken >>men, you should see the medievalesque costumes! (how the middle ages SHOULD >>have been and are in fairy tales). Phuleeeeze!! A girl, a girl, a girl!!! >> >> > >Good luck. :-) > > > > >>Nicole - who made a posh outfit for her Barbie for the occasion of Lady >>Di's and Prince Charles' wedding in 1981 *blech* :-) >> >> > >I was long past the Barbie doll age by the time of that wedding. Sigh. > >Cathy Raymond > >"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." > --Flannery O'Connor > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------060403060209060108070006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I bought my first Barbie just a few years ago (I am 26).
And I really hope that one day I will have a girl.
I like making those little costumes. Here you can see a 16th century dress I made.
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thBarbie.html
My next project wil be a Italian renaissance faerie.

Greetings,
        Deredere

Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
On Thursday 28 November 2002 02:54 am, N Kipar wrote:
  
 --- Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 26

November 2002 05:45 pm, seamstrix@juno.com wrote:
    
My Barbie had costumes made by me, and went on jungle adventures.....I
was such an odd child.
        
My Barbie dolls had some costumes made by me, some of which were
historical and others which were not.

I see a pattern developing here....
      
Ohhh yes! Say, who else had barbie dolls and made costumes for them? BTW, I
am praying that my godchild will be a girl, because I have that fantastic
Burda magazine chockerfull with historic costumes for Barbie dolls and Ken
men, you should see the medievalesque costumes! (how the middle ages SHOULD
have been and are in fairy tales). Phuleeeeze!! A girl, a girl, a girl!!!
    

Good luck.  :-)


  
Nicole - who made a posh outfit for her Barbie for the occasion of Lady
Di's and Prince Charles' wedding in 1981 *blech* :-)
    

I was long past the Barbie doll age by the time of that wedding.  Sigh.  

Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd."
 --Flannery O'Connor

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(217.88.246.71) by mail.gmx.net (mp022-rz3) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 13:20:40 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Barbie dolls costumes, was Re: body type periods, From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DEA0B27.9090406@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:20:40 +0100 Status: RO Oh CUUUUUTE!!!!! Cass :))) > I bought my first Barbie just a few years ago (I am 26). > And I really hope that one day I will have a girl. > I like making those little costumes. Here you can see a 16th century > dress I made. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thBarbie.html > My next project wil be a Italian renaissance faerie. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 08:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14427 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:51:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Dq3a2006282; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Dq1UO021946; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (mta7-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1DpcUO021898 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:51:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.4.57]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021201135136.TGPX282.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:51:36 +0000 Subject: Black in Indian Culture/Re: [h-cost] Re: "sorry" vs. "excuse me"; behavior and cultures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130204158.00acb758@mail.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:47:36 +0000 Status: RO > Depending on your race and ethnic group, of course. I rarely see > transplanted Indians in black, Black has a very negative connotation in Indian Culture as in unauspicious and transplanted Indian's seldom wear it outside of a religious context.Finding a sari that is entirely black is rare and hard to locate,although you will sometimes find examples that are brightened up with floral motifs or embroidery.In fact a very dark and intense indigo is preferred for Dewaali night the only time that 'black' appears to be an acceptable colour,so dark that it reads as black. 'Modern' Indians raised outside of India don't seem to have any prejudices about wearing black in their day to day contemporary clothing. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 09:01:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14527 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1E22a2006566; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1E21UO023418; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB1E1YUO023363 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:01:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021201140134.40494.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:01:34 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Deredere's Barbie dolls costumes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEA0B27.9090406@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Wow!! I love it, oh I love it, I want a girl god-child, phuleeeeze!! Or I will just have to make costrumes for action man, demmit. *G* Maybe I won't even tell the little worm to be how my Barbies used to truss them up. hehehehehe... Adventure-Barbies-R-Us. It is SO cute, Deredere. Nicole --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > I bought my first Barbie just a few years ago (I am 26). > And I really hope that one day I will have a girl. > I like making those little costumes. Here you can see a 16th century > dress I made. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thBarbie.html > My next project wil be a Italian renaissance faerie. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > >On Thursday 28 November 2002 02:54 am, N Kipar wrote: > > > > > >> --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 26 > >> > >>November 2002 05:45 pm, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>>My Barbie had costumes made by me, and went on jungle adventures.....I > >>>>was such an odd child. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>My Barbie dolls had some costumes made by me, some of which were > >>>historical and others which were not. > >>> > >>>I see a pattern developing here.... > >>> > >>> > >>Ohhh yes! Say, who else had barbie dolls and made costumes for them? BTW, I > >>am praying that my godchild will be a girl, because I have that fantastic > >>Burda magazine chockerfull with historic costumes for Barbie dolls and Ken > >>men, you should see the medievalesque costumes! (how the middle ages SHOULD > >>have been and are in fairy tales). Phuleeeeze!! A girl, a girl, a girl!!! > >> > >> > > > >Good luck. :-) > > > > > > > > > >>Nicole - who made a posh outfit for her Barbie for the occasion of Lady > >>Di's and Prince Charles' wedding in 1981 *blech* :-) > >> > >> > > > >I was long past the Barbie doll age by the time of that wedding. Sigh. > > > >Cathy Raymond > > > >"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." > > --Flannery O'Connor > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 10:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14847 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:20:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1FL2a2009608; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1FL0UO007379; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1FKGUO007168 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6G00FM451A8B@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DEA2741.3060000@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Regency corsets? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:14:09 -0600 Status: RO I am way behind in my list reading.. but this caught my eye. I made a corded corset for the regency period not too long ago for a Museum director. It did make a difference in the end appearance of her gown. It provided uplift for her breasts, and smoothed out the shape of her torso. While there might not be a huge amount of information regarding corsetry of this time period, corsets were worn. Some might have been as simple as a linen form with not much re-inforcement in them, but they were still considered stays. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 10:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14979 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:55:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Fu2a2010961; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Fu1UO014195; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1FtMUO014029 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:55:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22429 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:03:41 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] This year's calendars In-Reply-To: <20021201113810.81350.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:03:41 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > maybe, or if I'm lucky I'll find one with nekkid artsy b/w photos of gorgeous > model men. *G* no costumes, but hey, some bodies just don't need any. Consider the Pilobolus calendar, of the ballet troupe of that name. The photos are breathtaking. (The performances are ... wow.) Very little costume content here, except some very odd leotards and quite a few dance g-strings. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 11:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15187 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gn2a2013044; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gn1UO024953; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1GmKUO024756 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22590 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:56:39 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) In-Reply-To: <200211290322.28155.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:56:39 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Finally catching up after a heavily booked holiday weekend ... On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > By the way, you said that lady's overgown is actually ultramarine, not > black as I had perceived. I've seen the print in several editions, > (including a good quality print from the British Museum, which > currently hangs on my office wall) and it's black in all of them, so > far as I can tell. Actually, no, I said she is in deep blue -- e.g. midnight or navy or whatever the preferred term :-) -- with an ultramarine-blue underdress. The deep blue does appear as black in several of the prints I have on hand, but it's navy in others, whereas there are other examples in the manuscript of people in black gowns that don't shift to navy in the same editions as the navy April lady, so I figure navy is the correct reading. But that's a rare color, isn't it? I may have to check up on this. > Now, it's also possible that the original is, in fact, ultramarine. > It also seems, to me, that it would be possible that even if the > original was ultramarine that ultramarine might not have been the > original color. I tend to be skeptical about whether the current > color of a fabric, or a piece of art, is highly indicative of the > color that the dyer/artist originally intended after 400 or so > years.... Not an issue to worry about in this case since we're not actually trying to reconcile ultramarine vs. black, which would be a pretty monumental shift, but a good issue to consider overall in viewing manuscripts. Different media pose different color problems for different reasons. Paintings tend to have more sun and air damage compared with manuscripts. Both, however, tend to use certain pigments that degrade on their own. Greens are notoriously fugitive, turning even to yellor or brown or dull reds in some cases. Silver metal tarnishes to black. And so on. I keep a few books on hand for reference on this, including Daniel Thompson's "Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting," W.G. Constable's "The Painter's Workshop," and A.P. Laurie's "The Painter's Methods and Materials." These are all inexpensive Dover reprints of older books that look outdated, but as far as I know, the data is good, and perhaps reflects a time when this subject was of more interest. For costume study, there's the added issue of paints as accurate representations of dyes -- which they often are not. Ultramarine blue is the usual example, as it's made into a paint from ground lapis lazuli. This was a highly valued color in medieval paintings. (IIRC, it's in Baxendall's "Painting and Experience in Fifteenth Century Italy" where you can find some cites to painter's contracts that specify the amount of lapis blue to be supplied by the patron and used in the painting, as part of the terms.) Lapis cannot be made into a dye, and there is no equivalent medieval dye for lapis color. Woad (chemically the same as indigo) was the blue dye source at this time. Woad/indigo can provide some strong and bright blues, particuarly on silk, but does not fall in the same color range as lapis. The tone difference is one I first noticed as a teenager, when I tried to buy blue shirts to match my blue jeans, but kept coming up with cobalt blues that didn't work with the indigo blue of the jeans when I actually put them next to each other. There are some period references -- Drea has some citations -- to painting on fabric with lapis, but that seems to be reserved for display materials (altarcloths and furnishings and banners and such, and maybe stage costume), not used for "real" clothing. What this means is that all those ultramarine blues that show up on page after page of the Tres Riches Heures and other mss, usually on the most important figures (such as royalty and saints), do not reflect the blues worn at the court -- they're a sign of the Duke's wealth in commissioning these paintings in this book. So we need to adjust our eyes, and minds, to compensate for the color change as we develop our mental picture of the medieval court. For that matter, I believe the wealthy wore relatively little blue in their fine garments, as blue was the cheapest available dye. By contrast, black was expensive and highly valued. It appears frequently in inventories from the 15th century. But it's used comparatively rarely in manuscripts of the same period, because it provides a visual problem on the page. Notice that when the Limbourgs do put someone in black, they often partially hide him or her behind other people or things, or drape other fabrics over the black garments, to reduce the impact of the dead space in the painting. The woman riding sidesaddle in August is an example of the artist's virtuosity in managing to provide highlights and shading to depict drapery -- this is nearly impossible on a black surface, and in this case the artist greyed the base color surface to allow for deeper black shades as well as lighter grey highlights. (Hmm, I'm now wondering if the navy I see in the April lady is actually a different, and less successful, attempt to introduce depth in a black surface. I'll have to look this up and see how she's described by the scholars who have worked directly with the manuscript.) Tapestries give us a much better color sense of available tones, since they're made from dyed materials, not painted. But then you have the issues of color fading and mutation, particularly with sun and air. And the list goes on ... can you tell this is another lecture tape I'm running here? I'll stop now. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 11:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15203 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:52:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gr0a2013198; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gr0UO025987; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1GqeUO025920 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m41.in-tch.com [216.166.191.41]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1GajD24066 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:36:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA3E6B.66F7F4D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendars References: <20021201113810.81350.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:52:59 -0700 Status: RO I actually haven't gone calendar-shopping this year, yet. I'll get one for home, and one or two for the office. For office ones, I'm partial to cartoons--Far Side, Dilbert, etc. Re: beefcake calendars....Hey, Nicole, at least here in the US, those *are* referred to as "birthday suits," so that's kinda-sorta costume related . --sue, who has a two-foot-high pile of papers and old bills on the table she needs to clear before she can get back to sewing....ick....sometimes I just purely *hate* house-cleaning! N Kipar wrote: > > --- Janet Davis wrote: > > > I've carried 2 calendars this year (besides the Medieval Year one). One is > > a desk calendar called "Forgotten English 2003" that has a different word, > > no longer in common use, for each day. > > If I am not mistaken that is the calendar (desk calendar) that Past Times > carries every year, bought one as a gift one year, quite nifty. Was about 6/7 > pounds or so. > > I can't make up my mind what calendar to buy this year, haven't found anything > costumey or extra nice. in the shops :-( I s'pose I have to get a LOTR calendar > maybe, or if I'm lucky I'll find one with nekkid artsy b/w photos of gorgeous > model men. *G* no costumes, but hey, some bodies just don't need any. > > Nicole - getting closer to finishing that room every day so that she can > finally get back to sewing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 11:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15222 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:57:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gw2a2013374; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Gw1UO027032; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1GvDUO026839 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m41.in-tch.com [216.166.191.41]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1GfJD25301 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:41:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA3F7E.636D6808@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "sorry" vs. "excuse me"; behavior andcultures References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130204158.00acb758@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:57:34 -0700 Status: RO Ahhh, Brenda.... Some of us come from places where there are NO escalators, crowded or not! I think there was an escalator in a department store here, once, a while ago, but I don't know if it's still there. It was considered quite the novelty--I don't actually recall ever seeing one anywhere else in the state! --Sue in Montana Brenda Bell wrote: > > >They don't? Are they unbelievably stupid, or what? Is > >there something difficult about looking at what's > >going on around you and reacting to it? > > Remember, the other people are coming from BEHIND them, and people don't > usually have eyes in the backs of their heads. OTOH, I've always been > taught to get CLEAR of the escalator drop-off area before stopping and > trying to gain my bearings. Maybe some (very few) of these folk come from > areas where the escalators are never crowded???? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 12:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15479 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1HX2a2015228; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1HX1UO005588; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1HWaUO005485 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:32:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-117-108.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.117.108]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANQ60912; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:32:31 GMT Message-ID: <001901c29960$47ecb300$6c754ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:21:07 -0000 Status: RO >Someone asked about Dorothy Hartley's books on this list a while back. I'm pretty sure my notions about the mediaeval origins of modern table manners came from her "Food in England", but that was published 40-50 years ago, so theories may have changed since then... I like her books but she tends to assume anything 'country' originates in medieval time, whilst some is true eg agricultural tools are similar, it can be a bit simplistic any way I'll look into Food in England I have a copy Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 12:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15623 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Hv2a2016338; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Hv1UO011070; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1HuEUO010906 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp161.directcon.net [209.76.47.161]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB1Htd1r007419; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:55:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021201095946.00fdd5c0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Barbie costume pattern magazine In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021129202032.04bf1aa0@mail.frys.com> References: <3DE74CD7.7030103@kabelfoon.nl> <20021129111058.99955.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:59:46 -0800 Status: RO At 08:23 PM 11/29/2002 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: Do you know the Euro -> dollar exchange rate? This is a really handy currency converter: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 13:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15681 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:11:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IC2a2017126; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IC0UO014381; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IBTUO014279 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-117-108.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.117.108]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANQ66196; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:11:31 GMT Message-ID: <02e501c29965$c1503140$6c754ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DE732C7.9363.82F3A95@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breastfeedin was Re: teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:14:58 -0000 Status: RO >Gender issues could, however, come into play in some cases because of the bias toward "the heir" and to the future heavy workers. While this bias isn't as strong as in some cultures, it was probably sometimes an issue. When you say whilst the bias isn't as strong as in some other cultures what/where are you comparing other cultures to ? The US ? I was talking about past cultures and archaeological evidence >The breastfed babies with dental problems are the ones who use a breast for a pacifier, not "on demand." That wasn't clear to me from your original post which is why I asked for clarification. I've not heard of this phenomena in the UK (doesn't mean it dosen't happen however) >However, the amount of effort the baby expended for "demand" was probably higher. Not completly convinced, my experiance is that you can tell what crys are what, by kids rarely cried because I demand fed & checked regularly (constantly sounds too manic, but pretty constantly in a way I would if checking instrumentation in a plane for instance without any concious check as such) I think a lot of breast feeding & child care problems come from the lack on family with kids contact. You get the same in isolated animal mums too, my horses do much better if there is a experiance mum with a newbie >Some let the baby continuously hold the breast in the mouth without any time away from the breast. Ok that seems like hard work :) No that isn't on demand & no animals don't do that ! > had other work right where the modern snuglie would be.) Snuglie ? >Also, too few of our moms have good support systems for encouraging breastfeeding. Agreed >I have a *very* high rate of successfully breastfed babies (including those with working mothers) who often breastfeed well past a year of age. Is this unusual in the US (I presume you are US ?) It is here > >They can't let the baby cry at night or they upset the neighbors. In > medieval times this would have been considered a "normal" noise and > not one to shush at all costs. > > I'd love to see the evidence for this. Have you read the studies on > cot death & babies in cultures who arn't forced to sleep alone & cry ? > This suggestion, that crying is normal noise, is not consistant with > primate behaviour IMHO, and I've not seen anything supporting such as > view in medieval litrature, please have you any refs ?. I meant refs suggesting babies were left to cry rather than on cot death. >Also, the important literature about this has only been coming out for the past 10-15 years at most. A lot of it started with the "Back to the Back" campaign for prevention of cot death. I've been in pediatrics for more than 20 years and a *lot* has changed in that time. I've been having babies over 16 years & yes I've noticed :) What you should eat what you shouldn't. put them on their front, no back, ok side !!Given it changes with the wind I'm afraid I tend to feel pretty cynical that anyone knows what they are on about. >We *never* used to see breastfed "bottlemouth" in our breastfeeding moms until more recently when there was a switch from "demand" feed to "constant" feed in many of the moms. Just from a sanity point of view constant does not seem to be a good idea :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 13:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19757 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IL2a2017637; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IL0UO016704; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IKtUO016665 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23037 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:29:14 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fur and dagging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:29:14 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > I'd want to look at a survey of the earliest examples of dagging > before coming to any certain conclusions, but my impression has been > that _lined_ dags (whether appearing to be fabric-lined or fur-lined) > are relatively rare, and that the default is done in plain unlined > cloth. ... Everything Heather said in her post makes sense to me. I think someone would have to do a systematic comparison of representations of dags in art as well as in artifacts (with an eye to whether linings may have disintegrated) before getting much of an idea as to what came first. I personally would be interested in seeing the sequence of shapes of dags as well. > My initial hypothesis (to be tested by further research) > would be that dagging arose in the context of the fashion for heavily > fulled woolen fabrics, where you can cut a decorative (and even very > elaborate) edge without the need to finish the raw edges. One interesting visual example of this, though fairly late after dags first start appearing in the artwork, is the famous Arnolfini wedding portrait. Giovanna's bag sleeve has an elaborate mass of dags hanging from the lower edge. They're hard to work out when you look at a reproduction, but in the original it's clear it's a very long strip of fabric (almost certainly wool) cut into a pattern of rows of connected Maltese-style and then the strip accordion-folded into a stack, with one side of the stack of folds attached to the sleeve and the other hanging down. There's no shortage of fur lining in the scene, as the main body of the dress is fur-lined and the underdress has a fur edge showing at the bottom. But the dags are unlined; they seem to be layered into two layers, but with separate edges, which may mean two strips folded against each other as part of the accordion-folding. There's a gold dotty finish to the edges, which may mean edges are stitched around with gold thread. An alternative reading (I forget where I read this) is that the green wool is actually a multilayer sandwich of cloth, green layers on the outside and a gold layer on the inside, and that the green edges are pinked to show the gold. I don't know if I can quite see how that would work, particularly as the gold seems to appear on the protruding points of the pinking, not in the "pits" of the pinking. But the overall point here is that there's no fur on the dags themselves. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of examples -- the Tres Riches Heures is full of them, as we were talking about earlier -- of dagged edges with fur lining. So by the early 1400s, at least, both are being done at about the same class level. > My logical arguments against the "irregular fur edge" hypothesis would > be that furriers obviously had _no_ compunction against cutting and > piecing furs to create "yardage"; and from a practical standpoint, > smoothing off the edge of the fur lining would be far less work than > cutting the outer fabric to match and finishing the much more > elaborate edge. I can see fur-lined dags arising in the context of an > existing concept more easily than I can see them as the origin of the > concept. I can see arguments either way, particularly if the "yardage" comes from the furrier to the clothier with the ragged-edges intact, and there's also no compunction against labor-intensive decoration as a sign of wealth, regardless of practicality. But as you say, that may have developed after the idea of dagged edgings was already established, independent of the shapes of pelts. One key clue other than shape of dags might be whether dags originated with people of such wealth that they were already lining everything with fur, and this was one more step in adding luxury, or if dags appear initially on clothing of a class/wealth level that does not suggest universal fur lining, but at least enough wealth to cover the cost of decoration and the implication that "I'm rich enough to cut up this fabric." If it appeared on the wealthy fur-wearers first, the unfurred version could have been a lesser-monied copy. Chickens, eggs, all that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 13:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19887 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:59:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1J03a2019380; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1J01UO025214; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1IxBUO024968 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB1JK5Yc029021; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:20:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB1JJuZ0029015; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:19:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212011419.56014.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB1IxBUO024968 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:19:55 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 01 December 2002 11:56 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > Finally catching up after a heavily booked holiday weekend ... > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > Heures> > > > By the way, you said that lady's overgown is actually ultramarine, not > > black as I had perceived. I've seen the print in several editions, > > (including a good quality print from the British Museum, which > > currently hangs on my office wall) and it's black in all of them, so > > far as I can tell. > The deep blue does appear as black in several of the prints I have on > hand, but it's navy in others, whereas there are other examples in the > manuscript of people in black gowns that don't shift to navy in the same > editions as the navy April lady, so I figure navy is the correct reading. > > Actually, no, I said she is in deep blue -- e.g. midnight or navy or > whatever the preferred term :-) -- with an ultramarine-blue underdress. I may have screwed up my color terminology, but I understood you the first time; that is what I meant. :-) It did not occur to me that you were referring to the underdress a ultramarine. Sorry for the confusion. > But that's a rare color, isn't it? I may have to check up on this. To the best of my knowledge, yes, it's rare. I'm sure it wasn't unattainable--indigo and its cousins can achieve an amazing variety of blues from deep to light--but I can't recall any other evidence that navy was used for women's gowns that early... > > Now, it's also possible that the original is, in fact, ultramarine. > > It also seems, to me, that it would be possible that even if the > > original was ultramarine that ultramarine might not have been the > > original color. I tend to be skeptical about whether the current > > color of a fabric, or a piece of art, is highly indicative of the > > color that the dyer/artist originally intended after 400 or so > > years.... > > Not an issue to worry about in this case since we're not actually trying > to reconcile ultramarine vs. black, which would be a pretty monumental > shift, but a good issue to consider overall in viewing manuscripts. > Different media pose different color problems for different reasons. > Paintings tend to have more sun and air damage compared with manuscripts. Naturally. > Both, however, tend to use certain pigments that degrade on their own. > Greens are notoriously fugitive, turning even to yellor or brown or dull > reds in some cases. Silver metal tarnishes to black. And so on. I keep a > few books on hand for reference on this, including Daniel Thompson's > "Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting," W.G. Constable's "The > Painter's Workshop," and A.P. Laurie's "The Painter's Methods and > Materials." These are all inexpensive Dover reprints of older books that > look outdated, but as far as I know, the data is good, and perhaps > reflects a time when this subject was of more interest. I'll bear that in mind and see if I can track them down, thanks. > For costume study, there's the added issue of paints as accurate > representations of dyes -- which they often are not. Ultramarine blue is > the usual example, as it's made into a paint from ground lapis lazuli. > This was a highly valued color in medieval paintings. (IIRC, it's in > Baxendall's "Painting and Experience in Fifteenth Century Italy" where you > can find some cites to painter's contracts that specify the amount of > lapis blue to be supplied by the patron and used in the painting, as part > of the terms.) Lapis cannot be made into a dye, and there is no equivalent > medieval dye for lapis color. Woad (chemically the same as indigo) was the > blue dye source at this time. Woad/indigo can provide some strong and > bright blues, particuarly on silk, but does not fall in the same color > range as lapis. The tone difference is one I first noticed as a teenager, > when I tried to buy blue shirts to match my blue jeans, but kept coming up > with cobalt blues that didn't work with the indigo blue of the jeans when > I actually put them next to each other. There are some period references > -- Drea has some citations -- to painting on fabric with lapis, but that > seems to be reserved for display materials (altarcloths and furnishings > and banners and such, and maybe stage costume), not used for "real" > clothing. Okay. Thanks. > What this means is that all those ultramarine blues that show up on page > after page of the Tres Riches Heures and other mss, usually on the most > important figures (such as royalty and saints), do not reflect the blues > worn at the court -- they're a sign of the Duke's wealth in commissioning > these paintings in this book. Pity. It's a beautiful color. Oh well, if we each had a dollar for every drean that's been shot down by reality. :-) >So we need to adjust our eyes, and minds, to > compensate for the color change as we develop our mental picture of the > medieval court. > > For that matter, I believe the wealthy wore relatively little blue in > their fine garments, as blue was the cheapest available dye. Was that already the case in the 15th century? It certainly was in the 16th--to the point that it was associated with servants and charity cases. (One reason blue Elizabethan gowns drive me crazy....) >By contrast, > black was expensive and highly valued. It appears frequently in > inventories from the 15th century. Good to know that the inventories confirm the art evidence. Anne Hollander, an art historian, made the point in one of her books that the 15th century is about the first time black shows up as a fashion color, and not as mourning. >But it's used comparatively rarely in > manuscripts of the same period, because it provides a visual problem on > the page. Notice that when the Limbourgs do put someone in black, they > often partially hide him or her behind other people or things, or drape > other fabrics over the black garments, to reduce the impact of the dead > space in the painting. The woman riding sidesaddle in August is an example > of the artist's virtuosity in managing to provide highlights and shading > to depict drapery -- this is nearly impossible on a black surface, and in > this case the artist greyed the base color surface to allow for deeper > black shades as well as lighter grey highlights. It is a masterful job >(Hmm, I'm now wondering > if the navy I see in the April lady is actually a different, and less > successful, attempt to introduce depth in a black surface. I'll have to > look this up and see how she's described by the scholars who have worked > directly with the manuscript.) > Tapestries give us a much better color sense of available tones, since > they're made from dyed materials, not painted. But then you have the > issues of color fading and mutation, particularly with sun and air. Very much so. Also the issue of the extent to which the weaving technique used to produce the tapistry created a "new" color in it's own right. And > the list goes on ... can you tell this is another lecture tape I'm running > here? I'll stop now. Glad I was able to inspire you. :-) I've learned a lot from this exchange. Thank you. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19914 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1J21a2019510; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1J21UO025682; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1J1tUO025632 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB1JMtYc029054; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:22:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB1JMsdK029052; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:22:54 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fur and dagging User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212011422.54465.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB1J1tUO025632 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:22:54 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 01 December 2002 01:29 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [text cut here] > > One interesting visual example of this, though fairly late after dags > first start appearing in the artwork, is the famous Arnolfini wedding > portrait. Giovanna's bag sleeve has an elaborate mass of dags hanging from > the lower edge. They're hard to work out when you look at a reproduction, > but in the original it's clear it's a very long strip of fabric (almost > certainly wool) cut into a pattern of rows of connected Maltese-style and > then the strip accordion-folded into a stack, with one side of the stack > of folds attached to the sleeve and the other hanging down. There's no > shortage of fur lining in the scene, as the main body of the dress is > fur-lined and the underdress has a fur edge showing at the bottom. But the > dags are unlined; they seem to be layered into two layers, but with > separate edges, which may mean two strips folded against each other as > part of the accordion-folding. There's a gold dotty finish to the edges, > which may mean edges are stitched around with gold thread. Indeed. In the Arnolfini portrait, the fur is very obvious, as it is on some of the houppelandes shown on gentlemen in the Tres Riches Heures plates. Interestingly, the more obvious fur in the Tres Riches Heures are shown as brown. Anyone have an idea what type of fur those might have been? -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19957 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JE1a2020132; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JE0UO028163; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JDAUO028012 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:13:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021201191309.QIKA29196.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:13:09 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] This year's calendars Message-ID: <3DEA5F40.2714.144A54E9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021201113810.81350.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:13:04 -0000 Status: RO On 1 Dec 2002 at 11:38, N Kipar wrote: > --- Janet Davis wrote: > > > I've carried 2 calendars this year (besides the Medieval Year one). > > One is a desk calendar called "Forgotten English 2003" that has a > > different word, no longer in common use, for each day. > > If I am not mistaken that is the calendar (desk calendar) that Past > Times carries every year, bought one as a gift one year, quite nifty. > Was about 6/7 pounds or so. Now up to 8 pounds, I think: and I'm still probably going for one this year. It tends to have the obscure saints' days, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19972 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JJ1a2020349; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JJ0UO029246; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1JIPUO029014 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2002120119181905200373i4e>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:18:19 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201110540.00a177e0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, From: MaryAnn Jones Cc: In-Reply-To: <002301c296c8$40992880$8a07d1d8@d7k7b6> References: <20021128075501.11246.31359.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] another e-bay offering Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:08:08 -0800 Status: RO Another interesting e-bay dress. not my period, but I like it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1901761815 maryann, who has been spending way too much time on e-bay >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20097 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:57:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jw2a2022080; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jw0UO007745; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jv9UO007572 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18IaDE-000Kpm-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting through crowds/politeness References: <20021127174400.3778.51630.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3DE7D20C.5B5D9C2C@rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <3DE7D20C.5B5D9C2C@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:17:10 +0000 Status: RO Catelli wrote >I went to NYC last weekend, and was not run over or into by anyone. > >My difficult getting-through-crowds is usually moving audio/visual >equipment around at a Worldcon >(Science Fiction). > >"Excuse me; pardon me; 'scuse me." repeat as necessary. > >But when the crowd just is Not moving out of my way (I have time >constraints), using the "backup beep" >is the single most effective way of getting through. Why do I think saying, in a very polite mechanical voice "Warning, this vehicle is reversing, warning, this vehicle is reversing" doesn't have the same effect? Jean > >Sure beats "Coming through!" > >Ann in CT >Got all my wools washed, now to get them dried. . . . > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20101 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jx1a2022147; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jx0UO007973; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jw3UO007723 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6G00GLLHXXLJ@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DEA6899.6090009@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Thanks Robin... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 13:52:57 -0600 Status: RO For that nifty calendar link... sent it on to my mother-in-law... yay.. gonna get a gift that I can use this year from her... :D -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 14:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20105 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:59:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1K00a2022204; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1K00UO008187; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f42.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Jx4UO007966 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:58:58 -0800 Received: from 65.65.98.120 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:58:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.98.120] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic posture? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2002 19:58:58.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[164657C0:01C29974] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:58:58 +0000 Status: RO That's becasue Austin is considered quite different from the rest of Texas. Probably due to the influence of the University of Texas... As for "snipe hunting": my Great Grandfather was from Indiana. He came to Texas and taught here for a time before going home to Indiana to farm (and taking his Central Texas bride home with him). Several of his students took him "Dillo huntin" once. Armadillos are local to Texas and not to the northern states, and they dig burrows which they enter head first. He was told to reach in, grab the tail, and pull it out. Armadillos also have a scent to their urine that's similar to a skunk's. Needless to say, his hunt wasn't what one would consider a success - but the joke was! Mary/Katerine (who may have been in Austin, Texas for 10 years, but still considers herself an Ohioan) >Biggest Egos, Biggest Hair, >Biggest Liars anywhere >Let's sing another stupid Texas song... >[...] >Throw your hats up in the air >We're obnoxious, we don't care! >Let's sing another stupid Texas song. > >There's a band called the Austin Lounge Lizards who spend a lot of time >lampooning certain aspects of texas culture. So even the people who _live_ >there don't always care much for the attitudes we were talking about. And >social class definitely plays into it. My grandmother used to cringe at >the Ross Perot (new money) types. > >[...] > > one of the other new recruits asked where he was from, and > > he said Boston. The other recruit replied, 'We-ll, what suburb of Texas >is > > that?' Exactly the kind of remark that sets ones teeth on edge. > >Of course, he may have been yanking your husband's chain, too. Texan humor >still has a very irish flavor. Despite the fact that many Boston folks >still consider themselves irish and most Texans (and other southerners) >wouldn't. Look up "snipe hunting" for an example of typical texan humor. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 >Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris >Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. >"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 15:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20158 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:14:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KF6a2023041; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KF4UO011524; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KEUUO011371 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:14:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021201201429.SAKW10657.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:14:29 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting through crowds/politeness Message-ID: <3DEA6DA6.21454.148292A5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3DE7D20C.5B5D9C2C@rcn.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:14:30 -0000 Status: RO On 1 Dec 2002 at 19:17, Jean Waddie wrote: > >But when the crowd just is Not moving out of my way (I have time > >constraints), using the "backup beep" is the single most effective > >way of getting through. > > Why do I think saying, in a very polite mechanical voice "Warning, > this vehicle is reversing, warning, this vehicle is reversing" doesn't > have the same effect? If said by a very large lorry, it works :) Sadly, saying things politely very rarely gets people's attention, unless you're obviously capable of applying large amounts of force. You know, you can get cars fitted with proximity sensors these days. Usually as parking aids, but now as a means of stopping you from getting too close to the one ahead (apparently it compares distance, your speed, and the amount of water on the road, then takes the power off if needed). Could we fit proximity sensors into clothes? "You are about to be run over: MOVE!" in the ear might work? Especially if combined with an electric shock? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 15:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20291 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:43:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Ki1a2024362; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Ki0UO018018; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KhCUO017818 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m252.in-tch.com [216.166.191.252]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1KRHD09893 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:27:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA7472.8FBA1770@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century lace cap back References: <002e01c28d81$d95948c0$b11823d9@dan> <3DE15BC0.AE950458@in-tch.com> <001001c294d4$bc3babc0$360524d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 13:43:30 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Stevie. I have a number of friends here who wanted me to tell you that "We hate her." Because of the Assembly Rooms and all....It sounds absolutely wonderful, and hope you take (and post) lots of pictures for those of us who are too far away in time and place to attend! I think you'll find that the degree of chest-constriction varies widely over the fashionable years , and sometimes, even when things *may* have been more restrictive than you can tolerate, you can still achieve a similar look/style with some simple adaptations. I have some 10-yd pcs in my wool stash, but they're causing me *great* pain, because they want to be both fitted gowns AND flemish market gowns. Aaaarrrrggggghhhh!!! If I tried to do both, I'd have to cross my fingers *and* toes (difficult at best when they're short like mine are ), sacrifice numerous twinkies to the Great Costume Gawd, AND still skimp on one or both skirts a tidge. --Sue Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Sue wrote: > > > Where in Bath is the ball going to be? What are you planning for the > > rest of your outfit? > > Well, you are more familiar with Bath than I am, but I gather that it > will be in the Assembly Rooms, and at the moment I am intending a late > 18th century highwaisted gown in silver grey dupioni, with a shorter > over dress in gold metallic silk gauze. That way I can get to use some > of the braid/type decorations in gold and silver plated wire which I > have been making for what seems like forever. It was intended for an > Elizabethan, but until I get it together sufficiently to make the > 'barrel corset' which people have kindly suggested that project is > somewhat on the backburner. Though I have just bankrupted myself > buying a Victorian? table cover in cut velvet > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2222&item=92312 > 5757&rd=1 > > and another velvet > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2220&item=92101 > 2275&rd=1 > > because, dammit, they should look pretty good together. Maybe an > earlier Renaissance period gown with a high waist? > > Of course, I've been looking at some of the medieval gowns mentioned > here, because it occurs to me that the degree of support offered by > those gowns is just as good as modern corsetry, and probably less > restrictive around the ribcage, what with wonderelastic and so forth. > Alas, nothing in my wool stash is more than 5 metres or so, and whilst > I got large amounts of some marvellous cotton velvets in Liberty's > sale this summer, where I got the James Hare handloomed dupioni, they > are not right. And dupioni is really wrong for much before late 18th. > My name is Stevie and I'm a fabricaholic... > What's even worse is that I have a 16 year old daughter who actually > expects me to use some of it making clothes for her! Often at three > hours notice:-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 16:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20417 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1L62a2025549; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1L61UO023132; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1L5cUO023039 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:05:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m252.in-tch.com [216.166.191.252]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1KniD18397 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:49:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA79B4.89513ACB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic posture? was body type periods References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:05:56 -0700 Status: RO Perhaps it had more to do with me being in cities, mostly, and not exactly near student areas (universities, nightclubs, whatever), with the exception of going to Trinity in Dublin. I live in an area where the kind of formality of dress I saw all over London, for instance, would immediately brand you as a non-native/city-dweller, or perhaps as an Important Lawyer. One of those instant-recognition things, I guess. --sue Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Sue wrote: > > On my recent trip to the UK and Ireland, literally the only time I ever saw a tee >shirt was...on an American. > > That's odd, because they are very commonly worn here. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 18:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20791 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:28:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NJ7a2002858; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NJ0UO025745; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NIcUO025574 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m37.in-tch.com [216.166.191.37]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1N2hD28040 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:02:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA98DE.6057F497@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) References: <200212011419.56014.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:18:54 -0700 Status: RO In what other ways could the colors in illustrations such as we've been talking about be non-reflective of actual clothing/textile practices ?(disregarding, for the moment, copies degraded by time or exposure, or bad reprints ....my own copy of the Berry book of hours is one of the stinky ones! ;-P) I'm wondering, for instance, about the reds. Now, we've been experimenting with natural dyes lately (it seems to be the newest "in thing" in my local SCA group), and have gotten some wonderful reds and rusts and such with various period-appropriate dyes and mordants and fibers, but not that eye-popping cherry-red. Darn....memory just kicked in. I have seen one extant textile (a cut-and-voided velvet) with a red that cherry-colored. Later time period, though (16th c.). Also, despite what seems like an infinite variety of yellows and greens, I don't see many in pictures...were they painted less often because they were more common (and hence, less desirable?)? or because it wasn't as easy to achieve those colors in certain media? It also occurs to me, as I'm typing this, that when dealing with later time periods (Elizabethan, for instance), I've also seen a discrepancy between what is depicted and what is worn. The listings of the garments in Elizabeth's wardrobe, for instance, have a really wide variety of colors ("tawny" is the one that springs to mind, immediately), most of which I've never seen in any of the portraits, especially the really late stuff. Just me, mumbling to my self (and the world) electronically..... --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 18:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20832 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:39:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NR2a2003280; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NR1UO027543; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB1NQ2UO027295 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:26:02 -0700 (MST) X-eGroups-Return: saragrace@earthlink.net Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2002 23:25:57 -0000 From: "Saragrace Thornton Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.221.49.58 Subject: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:25:55 -0000 Status: RO I have a couple of questions about some statements made in the historic costume notes of Period Pattern #46 authored by Coryn Welgle. Have any of you ever run into this person? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 18:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20855 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Nb2a2003791; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Nb0UO029781; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1NarUO029730 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:36:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m37.in-tch.com [216.166.191.37]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1NKwD02652 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:20:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA9D25.5BBE38F7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ending blackwork (WAS: me too Linda) References: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:37:09 -0700 Status: RO I've found that my methods of ending monochrome embroidery have depended on the application, and on the fiber I was doing the embroidery with. I did one shift, many years ago, with a geometric pattern embroidered on the collar and cuffs. The thread was metallic, and raveled fiercely at the first bit of inattention from me. I finished those ends by burying them inside the cuff or collar itself (they were two layers of fabric, plus a bit of interfacing). I learned this method for burying threads when I used to hand-quilt stuff. Most of the time, I'm working with a single strand of embroidery floss on fabric that's a tidge to fine to do little hidden running stitches on--my stitches only go over 2 or 3 threads as it is. So I mostly use the "whip" method, which Chris described below. With only a single strand, the whipped area is almost invisible...it's more easily "felt" in fact, than seen, straight-on. The only time it's been more obvious (and more of a pain) was on one coif in which I was using 2 strands of floss. Not only was the "ridge" more visible, it was also a lot more devious in un-whipping itself. Very, very annoying. I ended up doing a lot of repair work on the back side of the coif, and then very, very carefully "sealing" the whipped lines with this tiny, narrow application of frey check (which I "painted on" using the pointed end of a straight pin). --sue Chris Laning wrote: > > At 11:13 AM -0800 11/13/02, Cassandra wrote: > > How do you end the thread on blackwork doing the > >reversable Holbien stitch? On counted cross you can > >run the thread back under the row but that's not > >reversable, just tidy. Ditto for other crewel > >embroidery where the back doesn't show. Blackwork > >fiends please reply. > > I'm probably not "fiendish" enough, since I haven't tried this > myself, but here's what I've watched people do. > > Some people do indeed just pick an area where there's a continuous > line of stitching on the back, and whip over and over that line with > their thread for a ways, then tuck it underneath and snip it off. > This does mean that a few threads on the "wrong" side will look > suspiciously double-thick, but often they're not too obvious unless > someone is looking closely. > > The method I've been told the "real" experts use is this: bring the > thread through to the "wrong" side, then push aside the thread of the > next stitch on that side, and take three or four little teensy > running stitches with your working thread directly _underneath_ the > already existing stitch. Then clip off the end and let the stitch you > pushed aside fall back into place. Supposedly this is enough to hold > it firm, and with practice I'm told it's next to undetectable. > > (I do feel compelled to add, BTW, that according to the experts I > hear talking, not nearly as much of the blackwork done in the 16th > century actually _was_ reversible as we used to think. A lot of it > could have a less neat and tidy back because it was lined with > something else.) > > Hope this helps -- > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 18:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20874 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:51:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Nn2a2004318; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Nn1UO002793; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1Nm1UO002418 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m37.in-tch.com [216.166.191.37]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB1NW6D05693 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:32:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEA9FBE.97355047@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:48:14 -0700 Status: RO Have you tried contacting the current printer/distributor? --sue Saragrace Thornton Knauf wrote: > > I have a couple of questions about some statements made in the > historic costume notes of Period Pattern #46 authored by Coryn > Welgle. Have any of you ever run into this person? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 19:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20963 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20K2a2006012; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20K1UO010231; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB20IvUO009992 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:18:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12264 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.119) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:18:56 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DEA9FBE.97355047@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:18:58 -0500 Status: RO I know the woman who has done most of those patterns - unfortunately, I only see her at Pennsic. She lives in Virginia, but that's not much help. If I can find last year's Pennsic merchant guide, I can look up her contact information, as she merchants every year, I think under the name "Medieval Miscellania" (tentmakers). Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 20:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21178 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:01:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20x5a2007934; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20x1UO019096; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20wIUO018893 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip248.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.248]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB20wCa01146 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT, was: Breastfeedin was Re: teeth Message-ID: <3DEA3F58.6537.1418C58C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <02e501c29965$c1503140$6c754ed5@pavilion> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:56:56 -0800 Status: RO I wrote: > >Gender issues could, however, come into > play in some cases because of the bias toward "the heir" and to the > future heavy workers. While this bias isn't as strong as in some > cultures, it was probably sometimes an issue. Melanie wrote: > When you say whilst the bias isn't as strong as in some other cultures > what/where are you comparing other cultures to ? The US ? I was > talking about past cultures and archaeological evidence I was talking about cultural biases in places like China and India who continue to have *very* strong anti-female child biases. > >Some let the baby continuously hold the breast in the mouth > without any time away from the breast. > > Ok that seems like hard work :) No that isn't on demand & no animals > don't do that ! But that's what some of the mom's, especially those with babies who have "breastfed bottlemouth" do. And they are usually exhausted but too pressured from some of the more militant La Leche Leaguers not to quit no matter what. (Fortunately, as I said, there are some which are far more reasonable about this issue.) > Snuglie ? Like a backpack, but slung in the front between the breasts. > >I have a *very* high rate of > successfully breastfed babies (including those with working mothers) > who often breastfeed well past a year of age. > > Is this unusual in the US (I presume you are US ?) It is here Most US moms don't breastfed past 6 weeks of age whether or not they work. It is greatly improved from the past when it was really rare to breastfeed (like in the 1970s). But the major problem seems to be lack of family or organizational support (and that includes overly militant "support" which is worse than none at all sometimes.) > > >They can't let the baby cry at night or they upset the neighbors. > > >In > > medieval times this would have been considered a "normal" noise and > > not one to shush at all costs. > > > > I'd love to see the evidence for this. Have you read the studies on > > cot death & babies in cultures who arn't forced to sleep alone & cry > > ? This suggestion, that crying is normal noise, is not consistant > > with primate behaviour IMHO, and I've not seen anything supporting > > such as view in medieval litrature, please have you any refs ?. > > I meant refs suggesting babies were left to cry rather than on cot > death. There is a big difference between "left to cry" and a baby who is given appropriate attention without it going overboard. There is a growing number of "over attentive" moms. If you want to understand more about babies and appropriate crying, I would suggest reading some of T. Berry Brazelton's work, especially _The Self Calmed Baby_. (I don't need to go look that one up. I've memorized it. I've seen his research and heard him speak a number of times. He's an expert on infant behavior and development.) > >Also, the important literature about this has only been coming out > for the past 10-15 years at most. A lot of it started with the "Back > to the Back" campaign for prevention of cot death. I've been in > pediatrics for more than 20 years and a *lot* has changed in that > time. > > I've been having babies over 16 years & yes I've noticed :) What you > should eat what you shouldn't. put them on their front, no back, ok > side !!Given it changes with the wind I'm afraid I tend to feel pretty > cynical that anyone knows what they are on about. Up until recently, the "norm" was to have babies on their tummies. The rationale (which started something like 40 years ago and caught on after a big pediatric meeting held in the Netherlands) was that babies on their tummies could get their heads out of the vomit. Unfortunately, that was never tested until Warren Guntheroth of the University of Washington (Seattle. Wonderful man. He's a cardiologist I did my medical school rotations with) did the research with a co- worker. (He's also the one who studied and wrote out all the EKG stuff for infants and children. Before him, no one knew *what* normal EKG readings were for them, since they are often *quite* different from adults when normal. What would be a major heart problem in an adult is just the result of small heart in kids.) Anyway, they found that infants were *more* likely to drown in their own vomit on their abdomens or sides. (If on their backs they swallow it back down or turn their head to the side.) That let practitioners feel more comfortable with putting babies on their backs. You will still run into disbelieving nurses and out-of-step docs who still say "oh, we have to put them on their sides or they'll choke on their vomit." What they have found in the many years of SIDS (cot death) research is that infants placed on their abdomens often do a lot of rebreathing of their own carbon dioxide. This causes a reflex which shuts down their breathing. (Similar to the diving reflex which protects against drowning.) It's not *completely* studied and they are still trying to figure out why there are still some children who die of SIDS even with the B-t-B campaign. What you've been seeing which is so confusing is the slow understanding of how dangerous it is to have a baby on their abdomen or side (especially if there are things in the bed like soft mattresses, thick blankets/quilts, baby bumpers, pillows, stuffed animals, etc.) in the bed with them. (Babies do best on a firm mattress with a sleeper and perhaps one blanket wrapped around their torso without anything else in the bed with them.) Also, there is evidence of problems with co-sleeping. That's because of the parent's bodies (and no, they won't necessarily know that they've rolled over onto the infant before it's too late. Lots of evidence of that starting with the dead infant in the Solomon case from the Bible) and the other things in the parent's bed. There's also evidence that overheating from the parent's bodies is at least partially to blame. A crib or cot beside the bed (if not too small so that the infant puts its face against a side of the bed) seems to have the *least* SIDS. (That may be one of the reasons that SIDS is more common in the winter. People are so afraid of their infant getting cold that they overdress them. Poor little mites. I've seen more than my share of sweaty, red faced babies over the years.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 20:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21182 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:01:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20xYa2007959; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20xYUO019278; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB20wKUO018911 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip248.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.248]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB20wFa01151 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fur and dagging Message-ID: <3DEA3F59.23763.1418C7CB@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:56:57 -0800 Status: RO > One interesting visual example of this, though fairly late after dags > first start appearing in the artwork, is the famous Arnolfini wedding > portrait. Giovanna's bag sleeve has an elaborate mass of dags hanging > from the lower edge. They're hard to work out when you look at a > reproduction, but in the original it's clear it's a very long strip of > fabric (almost certainly wool) cut into a pattern of rows of connected > Maltese-style and then the strip accordion-folded into a stack, with > one side of the stack of folds attached to the sleeve and the other > hanging down. There's no shortage of fur lining in the scene, as the > main body of the dress is fur-lined and the underdress has a fur edge > showing at the bottom. But the dags are unlined; they seem to be > layered into two layers, but with separate edges, which may mean two > strips folded against each other as part of the accordion-folding. > There's a gold dotty finish to the edges, which may mean edges are > stitched around with gold thread. An alternative reading (I forget > where I read this) is that the green wool is actually a multilayer > sandwich of cloth, green layers on the outside and a gold layer on the > inside, and that the green edges are pinked to show the gold. I don't > know if I can quite see how that would work, particularly as the gold > seems to appear on the protruding points of the pinking, not in the > "pits" of the pinking. They've found some drawings from the time period which show the kind of dagging found on the Arnofini painting. I believe it was in Margaret Scott's book on Gothic period clothing. (In the same series as the Jacqueline Herald It Renn book.) Almost 20 years ago I decided to make this dress. I found some of the best reproductions I could find of the it and worked on all sorts of ways of getting that look. I can't even remember all the many ways I tried (other than the honey-comb smocking which I tried before I got a better reproduction.) I finally settled on little circles of satin which were carefully satin stitched around the edges and then fastened in the middle with each close enough to the next one that they acted like petals. Came out pretty, but I was absolutely chagrinned when I found that drawing from the 15th C showing how it was done. It would have saved me a lot of work (and something like a gross of little satin-stitched circles of two layers of satin.) (Still looked cool and I still wear the dress on occasion, even if it is with a totally different underdress. I don't have a 19" waist anymore so the underdress will *never* fit again.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 21:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21539 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:25:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22P6a2012366; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22P1UO010195; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22NwUO009917 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.107] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A3221BD8014C; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c299aa$3f3abfa0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <3DE5DB04.10556.2F0348E@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:26:39 -0500 Status: RO In my family, this is a genetic abnormality. In the last 4 generations at least one in four children do not have enamel on their teeth, and this occurs across through out the extended family line. Nutrition does not seem to make the difference. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: teeth > > > Kat wrote; [snip] > > > Roman teeth only showed a 7% rate of > > >cavities although they had illness and inadequate diet problems as > > >well (hypoplastic teeth) > Kate responded: > > What are hypoplastic teeth? > > This all goes along with what Robin said about teeth being > > *relatively* good until the diet changed so that cavities become much > > more frequent. > > These are teeth that do not develop properly due to inadequate diet > or illness from prenatal through childhood until time of eruption. > Disruption in the diet or illness anywhere during that time can lead > to inadequate enamel being laid down, thus leading to hypoplasia. > > And yes, it goes along with what Robin was saying. But then she'd > done a fair amount of study about dental health rather than just > looking at single cases. (Population studies much more accurately > reflect what goes on in a group of people than single sensational > cases. Frankly, you can find those same kinds of sensational cases > even today when dental health has many more advantages.) > > > >Then you add to that things like constant bottles with juice or milk > > >or constant breastfeeding (which a medieval mom wouldn't have done > > >like we do now), and you have even *more* cavities. > > > > I know nothing about babies, but are you saying that breastfeeding > > causes tooth decay? And wouldn't it have been *more* common in > > mediaeval times than today? > > The medieval mom had a different pattern of breastfeeding than the > modern mom. The medieval mom would not have used it as a pacifier > which is essentially why the "breast fed bottlemouth" of today has > it. The medieval mom has a breastfeeding pattern more similar to the > current breastfeeding mom's whose kids are merely fed, then set down, > and who rarely get "breastfed bottlemouth." > > I had been taught throughout medical school and my pediatric > residency that you couldn't get "bottlemouth" from breastfeeding. > However, in the past 20 years there has been an increase in it due to > a change in *how* moms are breastfeeding. They *think* it is more > natural, but yet it doesn't take into consideration the different > attitude that mothers of the past had. Now it tends to be "don't let > the baby cry at any cost, even if it means stopping your current > activity." A medieval mom couldn't do that. She had to get things > done no matter what. And chances are that they didn't notice the > "noise" that is currently one of the big problems with many moms. > They can't let the baby cry at night or they upset the neighbors. In > medieval times this would have been considered a "normal" noise and > not one to shush at all costs. > > Kat Russell > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 21:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21621 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22h3a2013522; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22h1UO014537; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22gbUO014470 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB22bo0j002069; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:37:51 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Corrie Weigle" , Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:45:34 -0800 Status: RO Mistress Kathea von Linse is her SCA name. Mundane name is Corrie Weigle. She used to be "Medieval Miscellania" before some kind of bust up. If she is still at the address I have for her, I'll forward this to her. Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Saragrace Thornton Knauf Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? I have a couple of questions about some statements made in the historic costume notes of Period Pattern #46 authored by Coryn Welgle. Have any of you ever run into this person? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 21:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21632 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22i2a2013569; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22i1UO014809; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB22h2UO014525 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a220.in-tch.com [66.62.107.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB22R8D22788 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:27:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEAC8C6.5B84D58A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: history on yer doorstep, was Re: teeth Re: [h-cost] RE: behavior and cultures References: <20021127214720.17816.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:43:18 -0700 Status: RO I don't *think* so, although a lot of the other historical recreation groups in the US are more locality-tied. I joined, at least in part, because it's just the only one around here. If I lived elsewhere, and had other options, I'd probably be busily pursuing them, too! The SCA's biggest advantage (from the perspective of someone from the inside) has got to be its flexibility....it makes us a lot more inclusive and accessible than some other groups that have more stringent requirements for participation. And since the scope of our "period" is so broadly based, it helps to serve as a great umbrella organization for people of all different interests, whether that be narrowly defined, or broadly defined. Like me, for instance. I'm pretty much interested in clothing/textiles/needlework from almost any time period. Of course, I sometimes think that that flexibility and broadness is also our greatest weakness/challenge. And there are groups in Europe and elsewhere in the world. It's not solely a US thing, even if it did start here. --Sue N Kipar wrote: > > Say, is this why it seems that people tend mostly to join the huge society, the > SCA, and not found smaller local ones that specialise in certain periods > (before the 18th century) because you have no locality to tie it to? Just a > thought, I'm ever curious. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 22:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21681 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:00:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2313a2014585; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2312UO018943; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2304UO018664 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.21] (as3-4-35.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.21]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB2302028170 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:00:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DEA98DE.6057F497@in-tch.com> References: <200212011419.56014.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3DEA98DE.6057F497@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:33:29 -0800 Status: RO At 4:18 PM -0700 12/1/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >In what other ways could the colors in illustrations such as we've been >talking about be non-reflective of actual clothing/textile practices >?(disregarding, for the moment, copies degraded by time or exposure, or >bad reprints ....my own copy of the Berry book of hours is one of the >stinky ones! ;-P) Gilded highlights in manuscripts is another good example. Keeping in mind the previous thread (or was that on a different mailing list?) about gold applied to fabric, gold designs on clothing in manuscript art are far more common than plausible in real life, and the use of metallic gold to show clothing highlights is clearly purely an artistic convention. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 22:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21738 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23E1a2015431; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23E0mA022498; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB23DGmA022325 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:13:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202031315.61016.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:13:15 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Website Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:13:15 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Greetings all, Phew! it's finally done. My permanent garb galleries are online, and on a free web server with no bandwith limitations too I might add! Those of you sick and tired of "this member has exceeded bandwidth limits" will be happy to hear that - I know I was! :) So, all my stuff is up - from the first tremulous pattern drafting experience to my latest court gown, but some of you will have already seen most of these gowns. I will add to the galleries as I finish an item. Questions and feedback welcome. :) Venetian garb: Garb of Other Lands: Each can be accessed from the other, and both are linked to on my index page, as usual. I need coffee! :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 22:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21841 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:49:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23e1a2016755; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23e0mA028922; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from CatholicExchange.com (mail.catholicexchange.com [216.234.226.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23d2mA028712 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 6pmdy01 ([209.94.162.44]) by CatholicExchange.com ; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:39:03 -0600 From: "Sarah Krans" To: Message-ID: <000c01c299b4$47601f40$2ca25ed1@6pmdy01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20021202031315.61016.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Brief stays question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:38:26 -0600 Status: RO I have a really quick question that I just need reassurance on :) I am finishing a set of 18th Century stays and was wondering if I might also be able to use this same set for Elizabethan? While I don't mind making stays/corsets, I would rather just not have too many sets - and to get started on my Elizabethan gown! :) Thanks! Sarah Sleep well. . .to eat little, work hard, and have many concerns on our mind and then refuse to let our body sleep is to try to get a great deal of work out of a poor, emaciated horse without letting him graze. - de Sales _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 22:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21850 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:50:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23f1a2016838; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23f1mA029215; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB23ermA029161 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:40:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25129 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:49:14 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:49:14 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 4:18 PM -0700 12/1/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >In what other ways could the colors in illustrations such as we've been > >talking about be non-reflective of actual clothing/textile practices > >?(disregarding, for the moment, copies degraded by time or exposure, or > >bad reprints ....my own copy of the Berry book of hours is one of the > >stinky ones! ;-P) > > Gilded highlights in manuscripts is another good example. Keeping in > mind the previous thread (or was that on a different mailing list?) > about gold applied to fabric, gold designs on clothing in manuscript > art are far more common than plausible in real life, and the use of > metallic gold to show clothing highlights is clearly purely an > artistic convention. Oh yes. I have heard costumers discuss at length how to reproduce the "gold embroidery" on some costume, when the gold was simply the illuminator's default color for highlights or decoration. Artists' contracts sometimes specified quantity and position of gold use as well as lapis use, which also suggests a reason for the abundance of gold. You can see examples of the gold clothing highlights Heather is referring to in the Tres Riches Heures, but only in the pages done by Jean Columbe. The TRH was done in two widely separated time segments. The Limbourg brothers began it in the 14-teens. All three of them died by 1416, mid-book. Jean Columbe picked up the work between 1485-89. This makes costume analysis a little dicey, as you have to be able to distinguish the artists' styles to date the images. For that matter, some of the pages are a combination of both the Limbourgs and Columbe. Fortunately the chief secular scenes (the calendar) are mostly Limbourg; you can see Columbe's touch (and his preference for gold wash highlighting) in November, as well as the bottom portion of the September page. Even when the gold is used as a pattern design, that doesn't mean it's reliable. For that matter, patterns in general are not always reliable -- meaning the style of the pattern, the scale of the pattern, or the presence/location of the pattern. This varies from one school to another, and one artist to another. Some artists were pretty good about reproducing textile patterns on images of clothing or textile furnishings, but others used the same repertoire of patterns regardless of whether they were showing diapered backgrounds, floor tiling, fabric, or whatnot. Also, patterns may not be to the same scale as they would be in real clothing -- enlarged or shrunk to fill the visual space on the page nicely, not to imitate the proportion of the fabric on the person's body. As a rule, painters (e.g. 15th c. and later) tended to be better about pattern than manuscript artists, for reasons relating to the nature of their commiwsions and subject matter. I have a friend who has done quite a few papers analyzing the textile patterns in Van Eyck's paintings, where the same group of rugs and fabrics keep showing up, artfully displayed as backgrounds and furnishings in various scenes. These were apparently painted from textiles he had in his possession. Choice of colors as well as patterns can be symbolic, of course, but specific meanings of colors or patterns can vary from one period or artist to another. Stripes might designate a prostitute, but not always, for instance. Other embellishments might be there to announce "foreigner" or "saint." The Virgin is usually in a blue mantle over a loose dress (often in rose); I found it jarring when I came upon a Quentin Massys painting in Brussels that reversed this combination! There's research on the color symbolism in specific paintings, schools, and styles buried throughout the art history literature, but lacking the time and access to dig them up each time I hit a curious image, I usually find the best thing is to bone up on iconography, identify the individuals in each image, and compare the painting at hand with other images by the same artist or in the same school, to see if I can identify consistent trends. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 1 23:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21960 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB24C2a2018272; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB24C1mA006193; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB24BPmA006053 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [206.124.3.161] (p01.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.161]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32009 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:06:00 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NZ and LotR PreRaphaelites From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c2990e$9f08c860$b6c0adcb@michaela> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:48:19 -0700 Status: RO on 12/1/02 12:52 AM, michaela at thebruce@ihug.co.nz wrote: > > Oh no, but it's all part of the continuum. And I was really meaning copying > direct from a pattern say and getting everything exactly the same. > Continuum see:) And at the extreme end of recreation is what was made for > the World of Wearable Arts recently held here in NZ. Where it's all about > doing new things with covering the body. > http://www.wearableart.co.nz/ > >Incredible stuff! But I don't understand how the winner got the Bernina award when it doesn't look like there could have been an inch of thread in that armor. Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 01:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22332 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:40:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB26c6a2024921; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB26c1mA009086; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB26bvmA009062 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:37:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from p39-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.39] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IkDM-0005Ms-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:37:56 +1300 Message-ID: <005b01c299cd$606ff2d0$a7c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NZ and LotR PreRaphaelites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:38:07 +1300 Status: RO > > Continuum see:) And at the extreme end of recreation is what was made for > > the World of Wearable Arts recently held here in NZ. Where it's all about > > doing new things with covering the body. > > http://www.wearableart.co.nz/ > Incredible stuff! But I don't understand how the winner got the Bernina award > when it doesn't look like there could have been an inch of thread in that > armor. That's because it was the first time entrant award, not for use of a Bernina sewing machine;) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 02:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22537 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:54:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB27j4a2027233; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB27j2mA022096; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB27i2mA021900 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-114-19.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.114.19]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANR26560; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:44:00 GMT Message-ID: <04cc01c299d7$42831360$6c754ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DEA3F58.6537.1418C58C@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT, was: Breastfeedin was Re: teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:48:52 -0000 Status: RO Taken off list Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 03:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07953 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28E1a2028117; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28E0mA027613; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB28D3mA027431 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:13:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202081302.27785.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:13:02 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brief stays question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c299b4$47601f40$2ca25ed1@6pmdy01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Sarah Krans wrote: > I have a really quick question that I just need reassurance on :) I am > finishing a set of 18th Century stays and was wondering if I might also > be able to use this same set for Elizabethan? While I don't mind making > stays/corsets, I would rather just not have too many sets - and to get > started on my Elizabethan gown! :) Sarah, while I am by no means an expert in either 16th nor 18th century costumes (ask me about anything in between *G*) I know enough about stays for all three hundred years to say that no, unfortunately 18th century stays and 16th century ones are totally different and will give a different body shape. I have loads of photos of extant stays (16th to 18th centuries) at home, if you like I can upload a couple tonight to show the differences. Don't do this, honestly, don't use 18th century ones as foundation for a 16th century dress. Nicole - who finally finished all the painting and stencilling and decorating jobs on walls etc. in her room. Whoohoo. Back to sewing soon! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 03:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11498 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:19:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28I1a2028237; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28I1mA028350; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB28HAmA028181 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:17:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202081709.19354.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:17:09 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021202031315.61016.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Bella wrote: > > So, all my stuff is up - from the first tremulous > pattern drafting experience to my latest court gown, > but some of you will have already seen most of these > gowns. I will add to the galleries as I finish an > item. Questions and feedback welcome. :) > > Venetian garb: > Lovely, lovely, lovely Bella! > Each can be accessed from the other, and both are > linked to on my index page, as usual. hehehe, and guess what, when I clicked on that link it said... 'temporarily unavailable, member exceeded bandwidth' *G* I really like your garb galleries, very interesting, and beautiful gowns. Nicole- with more gold paint on her fingers than on the walls, so it feels. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 03:32:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23847 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:32:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28X2a2028935; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28X0mA001999; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28WfmA001924 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:32:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.124.196]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6H00J3MH2G96@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 00:32:41 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021202002823.00cb9210@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Dickens' Fair ticket mistake Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 00:32:32 -0800 Status: RO Last year I was able to get participant discount tickets for people, on more than one occasion, without their having to pay for them first. This year the same person, who let me do this last year, told me not only did she never do this last year, but she won't do it this year. So people will have to make other arrangements for their Dickens' Fair tickets than thru me. I apologize for any inconvenience this may mean. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 03:38:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30522 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:38:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28d2a2029138; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28d0mA003108; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28cWmA003010 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from p878-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.116] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Im61-0001Iu-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:38:29 +1300 Message-ID: <00a201c299de$37e43f90$a7c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021202002823.00cb9210@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:38:41 +1300 Status: RO I have got the film back and I've scanned piccies of the costume I made. http://recital.tripod.com/costume/eowyn.htm http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/eowynprb.jpg http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/eowynground.jpg if tripod limits vies you can see these in the meantime:) Not bad for a few days work. Monday found out about the picnic. Tuesday bought the fabric and cut the body of the dress. Wednesday cut the lining and sewed the body up, faced the neck. Thurday morning recut sleeves made the fabric peices for the belt and that night bought fabric for the sleeves Friday cut sleeves found the silk to line the sleeves assembled the belt. Saturday made bias tape and hemmed the skirts, made the rings for the belt (formed wire around a cylinder and cut them) sewed the beads and bits to the neckline and belt. I love this dress so much. And am thinking of removing the bits that make it "Eowyn's" dress fromt he movie (the beading and the sleeve lining) and then bordering the sleeves, belt, neckline and inner sleeves in black velvet. This would make it match a design I drew last year of an Angel costume. I'd then perhaps pin back the sleeves as well.... michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 04:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21326 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28x2a2029708; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB28x0mA007095; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB28w8mA006937 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:58:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202085808.62390.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:58:08 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a201c299de$37e43f90$a7c0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:58:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > I have got the film back and I've scanned piccies of the costume I made. > http://recital.tripod.com/costume/eowyn.htm Great! What a lovely dress Michaela, you look gorgeous in it. > > I love this dress so much. And am thinking of removing the bits that make it > "Eowyn's" dress fromt he movie (the beading and the sleeve lining) and then > bordering the sleeves, belt, neckline and inner sleeves in black velvet. > This would make it match a design I drew last year of an Angel costume. I'd > then perhaps pin back the sleeves as well.... and why not! I will make a white one, but more Preraphaelite like the movie dress. then again I have helmet, chainmail, sword and shield all in 'real' (yep, re-enactm,ent stuff, not costume stuff, iron and steel is what I say every woman needs *LOL*) and all the way _I_ imagine Eowyn, not the movie idea. It looks all different but is all recognisable for someone who has read the book, not necessarily though for people who haven't but watched the film. I really love your dress, and so quick it was too! Congrats. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 04:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04761 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29E1a2000939; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29E0mA010147; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29DomA010118 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from p878-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.116] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ImeC-0007C8-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:13:48 +1300 Message-ID: <00c301c299e3$264ef590$a7c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021202085808.62390.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:13:58 +1300 Status: RO > I have got the film back and I've > scanned piccies of the costume I made. > > http://recital.tripod.com/costume/eowyn.htm > Great! What a lovely dress Michaela, you look gorgeous in it. Thanks:) And it really wasn't hot even though it was a hot day and I got very very mildly sunburnt. I mean not enough to change colour but enough to have tingly skin. > and why not! I will make a white one, but more Preraphaelite like the movie > dress. Sorry, you lost me there for a sec, mine is exactly as the movie costume was made... or are you leading into the differences you'll be making by first mentioning what you will be doing the same? then again I have helmet, chainmail, sword and shield all in 'real' > (yep, re-enactm,ent stuff, not costume stuff, iron and steel is what I say > every woman needs *LOL*) and all the way _I_ imagine Eowyn, not the movie idea. > It looks all different but is all recognisable for someone who has read the > book, not necessarily though for people who haven't but watched the film. Hehe, I've seen a few drawings by other artists of Eowyn in her battle costume, and while I think they are gorgeous and really pretty, wasn't it supposed to be a surprise when she took her helmet off, as in you all thought I was a man, but ahah! I am a woman;)? I'd like to make soemhting like the Persephone's Descent of the World of Wearable Art Awards:) I used to be a *big* fan of fantasy novels (then moved into the satirical fantasy Discworld;) ) and drew women in funky armour everywhere. Would love to be able to make some of them... ah well. I shall have to stick to heat set plastics as even removing (high qualty) grommets is taking its toll on my wrists. Don't wanna hasten deformities by bashing a lot of metal;) > I really love your dress, and so quick it was too! Congrats. :-) Thanks again:) It's one of my favs of all the things I've made;) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 04:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04872 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29l4a2001842; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29l1mA016302; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB29k3mA016134 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB29mm002716.; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:48:48 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:46:02 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB29k3mA016134 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:45:44 +0000 Status: RO Dorothy Hartley quotes (from a longer poem on dining out in the Middle Ages): Byt not thy brede and lay it down That is no curtesye to use in Town But breke as muche as thou wylle ete The remelant to the pore thou shalle lete Unfortunately she doesn't give a specific source. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> MelanieWilson@dragonflight.co.uk 12/01/02 05:21pm >>> >Someone asked about Dorothy Hartley's books on this list a while back. I'm pretty sure my notions about the mediaeval origins of modern table manners came from her "Food in England", but that was published 40-50 years ago, so theories may have changed since then... I like her books but she tends to assume anything 'country' originates in medieval time, whilst some is true eg agricultural tools are similar, it can be a bit simplistic any way I'll look into Food in England I have a copy Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 05:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04962 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:25:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AN3a2002979; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AN1mA021753; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2AMOmA021627 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:22:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202102224.43389.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:22:24 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00c301c299e3$264ef590$a7c0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:22:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > Sorry, you lost me there for a sec, mine is exactly as the movie costume was > made... or are you leading into the differences you'll be making by first > mentioning what you will be doing the same? Whoops! Sorry, non-native-speaker stroke again. ;-) I said 'like' but in fact I meant 'than' (which of course changes the meaning of the sentence into the opposite *laughs*) more Prerpahaelite _than_ the movie one, because I love those that have the tight sleeve underneath and I also want a broad band of something on the hem. > Hehe, I've seen a few drawings by other artists of Eowyn in her battle > costume, and while I think they are gorgeous and really pretty, wasn't it > supposed to be a surprise when she took her helmet off, as in you all > thought I was a man, but ahah! I am a woman;)? absolutely, Dernhelm didn't look at all like a woman, though I like some artists' drawings of the moment she takes the helmet off and out comes the blond hair. > I'd like to make soemhting like the Persephone's Descent of the World of > Wearable Art Awards:) I used to be a *big* fan of fantasy novels (then moved > into the satirical fantasy Discworld;) ) and drew women in funky armour > everywhere. Would love to be able to make some of them... ah well. I shall > have to stick to heat set plastics as even removing (high qualty) grommets > is taking its toll on my wrists. Don't wanna hasten deformities by bashing a > lot of metal;) Nah, but the solution is what I do: get your blackmsith to make you the armour. Every girl needs a trusty blacksmith *winks* > > I really love your dress, and so quick it was too! Congrats. :-) > > Thanks again:) It's one of my favs of all the things I've made;) :-))) And you look sure lovely in it! (could kill you for your hair, hehe) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 05:37:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05003 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:37:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AZ2a2003421; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AZ0mA024568; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AYUmA024449 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-126-149.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.126.149]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANR47480; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:34:25 GMT Message-ID: <00c201c299ee$5b7bee70$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:34:11 -0000 Status: RO >Unfortunately she doesn't give a specific source. No she never does :( I expect somebody who was into language & how it was written might know the time, it looks later to me eg 15th or onwards, but I'm no expert on that !! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 05:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05021 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ad1a2003551; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ad0mA025595; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2AcemA025521 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-74-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.74.143] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18InyJ-0001Mt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01c299ef$84721e20$760d27d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Dress and "The Invention of Tradition" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:42:31 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I have been re-reading Hugh Trevor-Roper's paper on the invention of the Highland tradition of Scotland, included in: "The Invention of Tradition" edited by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, (Cambridge University Press 1983). and I heartily recommend it to anyone who hasn't previously come across it. It's a beautiful hatchet job:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 06:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05223 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:36:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BU2a2005073; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BU1mA005535; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BT4mA005425 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-110-45.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.110.45]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANR58313; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:26:39 GMT Message-ID: <01a201c299f5$a7616390$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021202111135.5976A1E29AD@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:26:25 -0000 Status: RO >Found it: the Babees Book. In particular, the Book of Courtesy: dated "about" 1460, possibly including bits as early as 1420. Is it the same ? It looked similar but as I haven't the book in front of me it is hard to remember,(IMR my copy is a dual text) but as I said in my other post where I gave ref to a load of info the Babees book it dosen't necessarily mean our breaking bread originated there, just that in both time there was a tradition of breaking bread, continuance would be more convincing, nice idea though it is :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 06:37:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05227 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:37:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BQ2a2004888; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BQ0mA004812; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BPomA004772 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:25:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from p878-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.116] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Iohw-0007bk-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:25:49 +1300 Message-ID: <00ed01c299f5$97aab6e0$a7c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021202102224.43389.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:26:00 +1300 Status: RO And I know more of you guys have seen my page tonight.. I keep track on who visits my site... ;) Ooh. have you seen photos of women in the late 19thC opera? Specifically Faust and the Valkyries of Wagner's operas? While many dn't look like they've stepped out of a PRB painting they have that great 19thC meets well 19thC vision of the middle ages or renaissance;) I have a few scanned.. I'll see if I can pop some on a site somewhere... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0753802104/202-5321659-0143852 The book of Pre-Raphaelite Women is still available:) Interesting.. the image makes it look like the book is in portrait format.. I'm sure mine is more square > Whoops! Sorry, non-native-speaker stroke again. ;-) I said 'like' but in fact I > meant 'than' (which of course changes the meaning of the sentence into the > opposite *laughs*) more Prerpahaelite _than_ the movie one, because I love > those that have the tight sleeve underneath and I also want a broad band of > something on the hem. Ahah! Like with the corset too:) Cool:) Just thought I'd ask, as it's so so very easy to misconstrue what someone wrote :) I had fun when I saw the lillies.. i went.. woohoo! Perfect PRB symbo;) Howevr the pose was very much like in a Toulmouch painting:) > > Hehe, I've seen a few drawings by other artists of Eowyn in her battle > > costume, and while I think they are gorgeous and really pretty, wasn't it > > supposed to be a surprise when she took her helmet off, as in you all > > thought I was a man, but ahah! I am a woman;)? > absolutely, Dernhelm didn't look at all like a woman, though I like some > artists' drawings of the moment she takes the helmet off and out comes the > blond hair. yeah same, and with her hand resting on the sword:) > Nah, but the solution is what I do: get your blackmsith to make you the armour. > Every girl needs a trusty blacksmith *winks* hehe, well I suppose I could bat my lashes at some of the SCA guys...;) Oh yeah and I forgot to mention.. I won a double pass to see The Two Towers with my costume:) No I didn't come first, but aparently it was a real tie and the family that won won because.. well they were a family and yeah;) They won a pass to Hobbiton, would have been nice but what can you do;) However Bruce Hopkins (Gamling) who was doing the judging with a girl from Amnesty made a really nice speech about how much my costume looked like the real thing and that that everyone will see it it with the publicity coming up soon:) Anf then I got a photo with him and his autograph. Although.. lol! I have worked with him before:) For This Is It. Apparently they are doing something for the America's Cup this week too. And then a guy from Knights Draconis had been in This Is It too, and his comment to me about my cossie? Should have had boning in it. Dork. > > > I really love your dress, and so quick it was too! Congrats. :-) > > Thanks again:) It's one of my favs of all the things I've made;) > :-))) And you look sure lovely in it! (could kill you for your hair, hehe) heheh, funny thing is my hair used to be this long, then it broke off due to stress and being a really broke performing arts student (read lived on instant noodles) and it's started to gor back like never before because of the meds I'm on! It's the sulphur in it so while I wouldn't recommend anyone try the stuff I'm on, I would suggest a suppliment that contains sulphur. Nice other side effect is that it's working like an antibiotic, but without the nasty side effects:) I mean though I'm on immunosuppressants I've only been sick once this year and once last year:) Oh and I now have long long nails. So long I have to file them back constantly or I wind up poking myself in the eye when putting my contact lenses in;) I love having long hair:) It's also very useful for stage work:) Especially as I have no fringe (or bangs for our American friends). So it works for any era. And yes it does tuck up under a wig quite nicely. Especially as I learnt a very good trick from the make up team on Xena/JoAT: Make four french plaits, two outer that go round the hair line, and in opposite direction, two inner also alternating. Then you wrap the ends in the spaces between the rows. They flatten down very well and the rows are excellent for anchoring the pins through. For hair like mine that will not flatten in pin curls it's ideal:). michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 07:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05327 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:15:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BC2a2004574; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BC1mA002278; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2BBcmA002219 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:11:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5976A1E29AD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:11:35 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021202111135.5976A1E29AD@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:11:35 GMT Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote : > Dorothy Hartley quotes (from a longer poem on dining out in the Middle Ages): > Byt not thy brede and lay it down > That is no curtesye to use in Town > But breke as muche as thou wylle ete > The remelant to the pore thou shalle lete > > Unfortunately she doesn't give a specific source. Found it: the Babees Book. In particular, the Book of Courtesy: dated "about" 1460, possibly including bits as early as 1420. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 07:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05375 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:36:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2CY4a2007160; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2CY1mA018208; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2CXDmA018047 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 52B781E20E8; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:33:10 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021202123310.52B781E20E8@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:33:10 GMT Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote : > >Found it: the Babees Book. In particular, the Book of Courtesy: dated > "about" 1460, possibly including bits as early as 1420. > > Is it the same ? It looked similar but as I haven't the book in front of me > it is hard to remember,(IMR my copy is a dual text) I don't have a copy here in work: I was going by an on-line PDF translation. It looked similar enough to convince me that at the very least they were both working from the same source. > but as I said in my > other post where I gave ref to a load of info the Babees book it dosen't > necessarily mean our breaking bread originated there, just that in both time > there was a tradition of breaking bread, continuance would be more > convincing, nice idea though it is :) Oh yes, very true. And my knowledge of cooking/eating habits more or less stops after the mid-1650s. (It does restart in the 1990s, it's OK!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 07:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05436 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Bm3a2005540; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Bm1mA009083; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2BlAmA008935 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:47:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202114710.21821.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:47:10 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a201c299de$37e43f90$a7c0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:47:10 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Pretty, pretty, pretty! :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! 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Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 07:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05449 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Br1a2005657; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Br1mA010117; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2BqCmA009953 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:52:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202115211.51433.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:52:11 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021202081709.19354.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:52:11 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > Lovely, lovely, lovely Bella! Ta Nicole. :) > > Each can be accessed from the other, and both are > > linked to on my index page, as usual. > > hehehe, and guess what, when I clicked on that link > it said... 'temporarily > unavailable, member exceeded bandwidth' *G* Yep. I posted the notice on a few lists I'm on. :) The whole site's going to the new, no-bandwidth-limit server over the next few months. :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 09:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05730 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2E87a2010935; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:08:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2E81mA010372; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2E7tmA010338 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:07:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202140754.5694.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:07:54 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00ed01c299f5$97aab6e0$a7c0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:07:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > Ooh. have you seen photos of women in the late 19thC opera? Specifically > Faust and the Valkyries of Wagner's operas? While many dn't look like > they've stepped out of a PRB painting they have that great 19thC meets well > 19thC vision of the middle ages or renaissance;) I have a few scanned.. I'll > see if I can pop some on a site somewhere... Yes please!!!!! > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0753802104/202-5321659-0143852 > The book of Pre-Raphaelite Women is still available:) Interesting.. the > image makes it look like the book is in portrait format.. I'm sure mine is > more squareav I put it onto my saved-books-for-when-I-have-a-few-quid-after-christmas list. > > artists' drawings of the moment she takes the helmet off and out comes the > > blond hair. > > yeah same, and with her hand resting on the sword:) I just hate the fact I have to buy a blonde human hair wig. I look like an idiot in blonde! > Oh yeah and I forgot to mention.. > I won a double pass to see The Two Towers with my costume:) No I didn't come > first, but aparently it was a real tie and the family that won won because.. > well they were a family and yeah;) Congrats!!! We have tickets for the opening night, that's why we'll go to Germany on the 19th and not before... :-))) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 09:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05744 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:19:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EC2a2011099; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EC1mA011302; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EBnmA011268 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:11:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from M2W052.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.52]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: <29950-22002121214114952@M2W052.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 198.31.196.189 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "sweetsheep@earthlink.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2002 14:11:49.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[C139F040:01C29A0C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB2EBnmA011268 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: sweetsheep@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:11:49 -0500 Status: RO >I still don't get this concept of changing the hand your fork is in >though. Maybe this will help it make a little more sense... My great-grandmother explained to me that this custom dates from the pre-Civil War era (American Civil War, that is). According to her, the point of changing the hand your fork is in, only cutting one piece of meat (or whatever) at a time, changing hands, then eating it, was for ladies to demonstrate that they were NOT hungry. In an era when "ladies" ate a full meal before sitting down to dinner with company just so that they would not be SEEN eating much (and therefore enhancing their reputation as frail waifs) it was a way of being able to take up time at the dinner table without either appearing rude (by ignoring the food) or appearing to NEED to eat. This fashion was taken up by the Northern ladies who did not want to appear "crude" or "hungry" either, and gradually the male dandies also began eating this way. I don't know if this is actually true or not, but it does make sense, given the cultural attitudes of the time. My great-grandmother died in 1992 a few months before her 100th birthday (longevity runs in my family) and had been a anti-bellum southern belle her entire life, so I never questioned the explanation. Just a thought, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 09:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05760 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EL2a2011500; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EL1mA013850; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12003.mail.yahoo.com (web12003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.211]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2EKfmA013756 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:20:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202142040.63755.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.244] by web12003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 06:20:40 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] French contemporaries of Henry VIII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:20:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world. I know we have Francis I in France but what about the Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and Scandinavian countries? I'm specifically looking for portraiture, not politics. I think there's a Holbien portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure and I'm at a complete loss for the Iberian penninsula. Links? Help? Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 09:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05789 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2ER2a2011890; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2ER1mA015462; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2EQ3mA015099 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-164.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.164]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308707C2B for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:25:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DEB6D74.4030301@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] looking for pattern for 18th sack dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:25:56 +0100 Status: RO Hi, A friend of mine want's to make a 18th cenury sack dress. http://www.costumes.org/history/kohler/426.jpg But she is looking for a not to difficult pattern. It doesn't have to be perfectly period. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 10:28:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06148 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2FQ3a2015506; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2FQ0Zd005233; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2FPhZd005040 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1a5.ce4e714 (4214) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pattern for 18th sack dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:25:34 EST Status: RO --part1_1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 9:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > But she is looking for a not to difficult pattern. > I have the Janice Ryan pattern. It looks fairly straightforward, but I've not actually used it. Does anyone on the list have experience with it? Ann Wass --part1_1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 9:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes:


But she is looking for a not to difficult pattern.


I have the Janice Ryan pattern.  It looks fairly straightforward, but I've not actually used it.  Does anyone on the list have experience with it?
Ann Wass --part1_1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 10:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06192 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:41:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Fd2a2016598; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Fd0Zd010927; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CatholicExchange.com (mail.catholicexchange.com [216.234.226.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2FcsZd010849 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from 6pmdy01 ([209.94.161.124]) by CatholicExchange.com ; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:38:56 -0600 From: "Sarah Krans" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pattern for 18th sack dress Message-ID: <000601c29a18$d7d55450$7ca15ed1@6pmdy01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C299E6.8D3AE450" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <1a5.ce4e714.2b1cd56e@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:38:13 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C299E6.8D3AE450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't used Janice Ryan's sackback dress, but I have used her others (jacket and stays). I really like them. She even gives some really good direction as to adjusting the patterns to fit properly. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pattern for 18th sack dress In a message dated 12/2/2002 9:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: But she is looking for a not to difficult pattern. I have the Janice Ryan pattern. It looks fairly straightforward, but I've not actually used it. Does anyone on the list have experience with it? Ann Wass ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C299E6.8D3AE450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = haven’t used Janice Ryan’s sackback dress, but I have used her others = (jacket and stays).  I really like them.  She even gives some really good direction as to adjusting the patterns to fit = properly.

 

Sarah

 

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From: = h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com
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In a message dated = 12/2/2002 9:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes:



But she is looking for a = not to difficult pattern.



I have the Janice Ryan pattern.  It looks fairly straightforward, = but I've not actually used it.  Does anyone on the list have experience with = it?
Ann Wass

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C299E6.8D3AE450-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 10:57:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06241 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ft5a2018483; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ft1Zd018741; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2FskZd018558 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:54:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.39.3105087c (4214) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <39.3105087c.2b1cdc38@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency corsets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39.3105087c.2b1cdc38_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:54:32 EST Status: RO --part1_39.3105087c.2b1cdc38_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/2002 12:51:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, athurman@cybergal.com writes: > I'm still doing research, but I will keep the Mantua Maker pattern in mind. > > One of the great things about this pattern is that it provides good adjustment for different cup sizes--the gussets are sized accordingly. I think this is a good pattern to use as a base, even if you decide to cord/bone it differently. Ann Wass --part1_39.3105087c.2b1cdc38_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/2002 12:51:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, athurman@cybergal.com writes:


I'm still doing research, but I will keep the Mantua Maker pattern in mind.



One of the great things about this pattern is that it provides good adjustment for different cup sizes--the gussets are sized accordingly.  I think this is a good pattern to use as a base, even if you decide to cord/bone it differently.

Ann Wass

 --part1_39.3105087c.2b1cdc38_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 11:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06365 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2GF8a2020872; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2GF4Zd029336; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2GDvZd028696 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB2GGg027765.; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:16:42 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:13:56 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1822? men & boys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB2GDvZd028696 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:13:39 +0000 Status: RO I think quite young boys wore long trousers in the early 19th century, often buttoned to a short jacket. The custom of making the transition from short to long trousers starts later than this. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> pinner@mccc.edu 11/30/02 04:30pm >>> What would a 12 year old boy wear in New York in 1822? Middle class, son of a professor? 14 year old? At what age did they go to long pants? I know adult males were wearing long pants at this time. And coats? capes? For men, boys? I'm guessing shawls and capes for women -- what kind of coat would a women wear? Young girl?Thanks for any suggestions. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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Processed in 0.317592 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 17:03:10 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brief stays question In-Reply-To: <000c01c299b4$47601f40$2ca25ed1@6pmdy01> Message-ID: <20021202115908.W1593-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:03:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is a sort of yes & no question...18th c. stays create a much rounder front than Elizabethan stays, which just flatten you out. Also, the front point on elizabethan corsets tends to be a bit longer than the JP Ryan stays. If your stays have a curved front neckline or horizontal boning sewn across the top front, you probably won't be able to pass it off as Elizabethan. But if you don't, and you're small busted, the difference in silhouette /might/ be small enough that it wouldn't be noticeable. I've known women that wear their 16th c. (boned tab) stays for 18th c. gowns, and say that they look right. Good luck, Drea On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarah Krans wrote: > I have a really quick question that I just need reassurance on :) I am > finishing a set of 18th Century stays and was wondering if I might also > be able to use this same set for Elizabethan? While I don't mind making > stays/corsets, I would rather just not have too many sets - and to get > started on my Elizabethan gown! :) > > Thanks! > > Sarah > > Sleep well. . .to eat little, work hard, and have many concerns on our > mind and then refuse to let our body sleep is to try to get a great deal > of work out of a poor, emaciated horse without letting him graze. - de > Sales > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 12:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06738 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:33:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2HQgdI029038; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Gv1DH021221; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41006.mail.yahoo.com (web41006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2GuWgW020797 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:56:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202164946.60469.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.125.1.23] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:49:46 PST From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] French contemporaries of Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021202142040.63755.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1609550702-1038847786=:59289" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:49:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-1609550702-1038847786=:59289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Cassandra. I believe that Christian the Second was king from 1513 til 1523 where he was dethroned for the bloodbath in Stockholm. After that was Frederik the first from 1523 to 1533 and then Christian the third 1533 to 1559. Christina the first of Sweden was Queen for only a short while after her father Gustav II Vasa was killed during the 30 year war. Pictures can be found at http://home19.inet.tele.dk/soren-kretzschmer/rennaessancen.html The text is in danish. Tania Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world. I know we have Francis I in France but what about the Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and Scandinavian countries? I'm specifically looking for portraiture, not politics. I think there's a Holbien portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure and I'm at a complete loss for the Iberian penninsula. Links? Help? Cassandra --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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Hi Cassandra.

I believe that Christian the Second was king from 1513 til 1523 where he was dethroned for the bloodbath in Stockholm. After that was Frederik the first from 1523 to 1533 and then Christian the third 1533 to 1559. Christina the first of Sweden was Queen for only a short while after her father Gustav II Vasa was killed during the 30 year war.

Pictures can be found at

http://home19.inet.tele.dk/soren-kretzschmer/rennaessancen.html

The text is in danish.

Tania

Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was
contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world.
I know we have Francis I in France but what about the
Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and
Scandinavian countries?  I'm specifically looking for
portraiture, not politics.  I think there's a Holbien
portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure
and I'm at a complete loss for the
Iberian penninsula.  Links?  Help?
                       Cassandra


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Sign up now --0-1609550702-1038847786=:59289-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 12:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06747 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2HX4a2000159; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2HX1DH013474; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CatholicExchange.com (mail.catholicexchange.com [216.234.226.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2HWdDH013298 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from 6pmdy01 ([209.94.162.19]) by CatholicExchange.com ; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:32:41 -0600 From: "Sarah Krans" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Brief stays question Message-ID: <000601c29a28$bb8f3850$13a25ed1@6pmdy01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <20021202115908.W1593-100000@shell.siscom.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:32:02 -0600 Status: RO It's actually the JP Ryan stays that I'm working on. It's good to know that, at least for the time being, the 18thC stays could work. I am relatively flat chested (38B) and have a rather long and solid rib cage. Let's just say that I have 1" between the bottom of my ribs and my natural waist - and 1" between my natural waist and my hip bones (it makes fitting 1860's stuff interesting with others helping out!). What I have been using under my 18thC gown is an 1870s corset that doesn't have the waist pulled in too much (and it actually passes!). I do eventually plan on making a set of 16thC but right now am rather impatient to start the dress - and low on resources to make the 16thC. Thanks. Sarah Sleep well. . .to eat little, work hard, and have many concerns on our mind and then refuse to let our body sleep is to try to get a great deal of work out of a poor, emaciated horse without letting him graze. - de Sales -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Drea Leed Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:03 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brief stays question This is a sort of yes & no question...18th c. stays create a much rounder front than Elizabethan stays, which just flatten you out. Also, the front point on elizabethan corsets tends to be a bit longer than the JP Ryan stays. If your stays have a curved front neckline or horizontal boning sewn across the top front, you probably won't be able to pass it off as Elizabethan. But if you don't, and you're small busted, the difference in silhouette /might/ be small enough that it wouldn't be noticeable. I've known women that wear their 16th c. (boned tab) stays for 18th c. gowns, and say that they look right. Good luck, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 13:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07106 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:37:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2IZ7a2006795; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2IZ3DH019943; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2IYBDH019431 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from ANALYSIS.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.86]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gB2IYAx18357 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021202101106.02c2d180@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency corsets In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6093531==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:33:58 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_6093531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:50 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've read everyone's replies and am coming to the conclusion that I will >need the corset. While the idea of being a mervielleuse with no support at >all is appealing from the comfort/daring perspective, I'm a C-D cup and >going without will NOT be flattering! I've used the Mode petticoat pattern and if you can make the time to really work on fitting it, it's fabulous for those 1795 to 1807 "layers of muslin" dresses. There is a surprising amount of support. I'm a size 12 with a C bust and I has able to achieve the double hand span bust position. As I said previously, if you can get the fit worked up correctly, I find that it also does a good job changing my posture through the shoulders. For later dresses, Hunnisett has a stays layout that I've found to be scaleable. With the later dresses (1810 to 1820) , you need the stays with the busk to flatten the CF waist to hip line. You can also change the hang of the front of the dress by moving the top of the CF skirt farther up the bodice to give it some more hang space but I still think the full stays are needed. If you do go with the stays, you'll still need a chemise underneath or risk the Elizabethan skirt without petticoats "tea cozy" look. >I'm still doing research, but I will keep the Mantua Maker pattern in mind. >Thanks everyone! >Allison Clear as mud? >; ) Good luck with the project Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_6093531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 12:50 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:

I've read everyone's replies and am coming to the conclusion that I will need the corset. While the idea of being a mervielleuse with no support at all is appealing from the comfort/daring perspective, I'm a C-D cup and going without will NOT be flattering!

I've used the Mode petticoat pattern and if you can make the time to really work on fitting it, it's fabulous for those 1795 to 1807 "layers of muslin" dresses. There is a surprising amount of support. I'm a size 12 with a C bust and I has able to achieve the double hand span bust position. As I said previously, if you can get the fit worked up correctly, I find that it also does a good job changing my posture through the shoulders.

For later dresses, Hunnisett has a stays layout that I've found to be scaleable. With the later dresses (1810 to 1820) , you need the stays with the busk to flatten the CF waist to hip line. You can also change the hang of the front of the dress by moving the top of the CF skirt farther up the bodice to give it some more hang space but I still think the full stays are needed.

If you do go with the stays, you'll still need a chemise underneath or risk the Elizabethan skirt without petticoats "tea cozy" look.


I'm still doing research, but I will keep the Mantua Maker pattern in mind.
Thanks everyone!
Allison

Clear as mud? >; )  Good luck with the project

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis


--=====================_6093531==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 13:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07174 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:44:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ib1a2007021; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ib0DH021033; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2IaVDH020745 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.130] (pm4-130.eos.net [205.133.149.130]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28926 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:36:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021202165701.21214.63971.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Eowyn costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:33:56 -0500 Status: RO Michaela: How lovely! That is exactly the kind of dress that made me want to make costumes in the first place. I did make a white Norman-style gown once, with fairly narrow skirts and no long sleeves, and then a very pale see-through aqua one in the same style but with huge skirts and bell sleeves, and a long belt like yours. (In case anyone is wondering it was not a risque things -- I wore it over a tightly fitted white chemise.) It wasn't very historical but it was so wonderful to wear! It stopped fitting after baby number two, I eventually gave it to one of my babysitters to wear for Halloween!!! Now you are making me want to do another one. Is the Pre-Raphaelite Women book mostly text? If it's the one I read (can't remember the title) I highly recommend it. That one had a whole chapter on the Bohemiams, which I didn't know was an actual movement. For those of you who didn't know that either, they were would-be gypsies that lived wild camp-out lives. Lots of famous people used to go do it for a day or a weekend and pride themselves on their open-mindedness and daring. Gail Finke PS: I used to love watching Jack of all Trades! Not the best show, but lots of fun and the costumes were great. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 14:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07293 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:13:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JB5a2010813; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JB1DH010304; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JAuDH010228 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.233.144.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.233.144]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ivy2-0005Z0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:10:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Cyclas engineering Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:58:36 -0800 Status: RO A couple of years ago I made myself a cyclas (early version of sideless surcoat, with armholes only about 12" deep) in dark blue linen, as something to wear over a lightweight undergown in hot weather. However, when I wear it, it slips around on my shoulders and won't stay centered -- sometimes slipping to one side, sometimes too far back which raises the front neckline too much (I _hate_ being choked by my clothing). I'm wondering how much of this is the fact that I made it out of linen, and how much of it might be an "engineering" problem. Did I make it too wide in the shoulders? It's wider at the top than my natural shoulder line, since the ones in paintings mostly seem to be cut that way. Is it too loose in the torso? Are there any modifications I can make to the cut that will help it to behave itself? I'd like to make a wool or brocade one soon as part of a new outfit, so I'd welcome suggestions. (Along with the other problem, I also have the impression that it makes me look fat, but I'm not sure whether that's true -- or if so, whether it can be helped. I'm your typical middle-aged pear shaped person , a bit on the stout side.) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 14:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07433 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Jb5a2013424; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Jb1DH024127; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JaiDH023988 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:36:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.80] (as3-4-94.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.80]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB2Jag011574 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:36:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Breaking bread, teeth & ear picking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:05:06 -0800 Status: RO At 9:45 AM +0000 12/2/02, Kate M Bunting wrote: >Dorothy Hartley quotes (from a longer poem on dining out in the Middle Ages): >Byt not thy brede and lay it down >That is no curtesye to use in Town >But breke as muche as thou wylle ete >The remelant to the pore thou shalle lete > >Unfortunately she doesn't give a specific source. The first place to look might be the collection of metrical "etiquette manuals" published collectively as "The Babee's Booke" by the Early English Texts Society. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 14:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07444 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JbWa2013462; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JbWDH024411; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2JakDH024018 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.80] (as3-4-94.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.80]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB2Jaj011660 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:36:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c299ef$84721e20$760d27d9@dan> References: <006d01c299ef$84721e20$760d27d9@dan> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress and "The Invention of Tradition" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:10:06 -0800 Status: RO At 10:42 AM +0000 12/2/02, Stevie Gamble wrote: >Hi all, > >I have been re-reading Hugh Trevor-Roper's paper on the invention of >the Highland tradition of Scotland, included in: > >"The Invention of Tradition" >edited by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, (Cambridge University >Press >1983). > >and I heartily recommend it to anyone who hasn't previously come >across it. It's a beautiful hatchet job:-) If I'm remembering the same book, I'll second this. It's a wonderful study of the deliberate invention of "ancient traditions" for socio-political purposes. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 15:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08197 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:40:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KbHa2019414; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Kb7DH025386; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12003.mail.yahoo.com (web12003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.211]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB2KaYDH025077 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:36:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021202203633.15401.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.219] by web12003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:36:33 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:36:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Where would one purchase the Janice Ryan sacque back gown pattern? I'm sure someone around here will take pity on the 9yds of jacquard print I have that looks somewhat like a Spitfields silk and buy me a sacque gown pattern for Christmas, as long as I can point them in the right direction of where to find said pattern. I also miss Jack of All Trades, loved the gowns and the hero. Oh well, my enjoyment of a show has been known to be the kiss of death. Cassandra (who finds this list dangerous to her ability to stick to just one period) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 15:55:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08289 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:55:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Kr2a2021040; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Kr1DH003914; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KpxDH003299 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.142.3f97dac (4560) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:51:41 EST Status: RO --part1_142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > Where would one purchase the Janice Ryan sacque back > gown pattern? But to answer this question, Smoke and Fire carries them. Ann --part1_142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes:


Where would one purchase the Janice Ryan sacque back
gown pattern? 


But to answer this question, Smoke and Fire carries them.
Ann --part1_142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 16:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08332 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:01:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KqPa2020926; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KqNDH003549; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:52:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KorDH002724 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.150.1824880e (4560) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:49:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <150.1824880e.2b1d2146@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.1824880e.2b1d2146_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:49:10 EST Status: RO --part1_150.1824880e.2b1d2146_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > . > I also miss Jack of All Trades, loved the gowns and > the hero. Oh well, my enjoyment of a show has been > known to be the kiss of death. > The gowns were amazing, all right, but TOTALLY wrong period. The setting was supposed to be early 1800s. Several of us discussed at the time that the designer could have made the clothes, appropriate to the period, with just as much sex and eye appeal, but in a different way. Clearly no knowledge of costume history, or just didn't care. I know it's theater, but still! Kind of like the Adrian "Pride and Prejudice" in the style of the 1830s. But we don't need to get off on that tangent, do we? Ann Wass --part1_150.1824880e.2b1d2146_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes:


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   I also miss Jack of All Trades, loved the gowns and
the hero.  Oh well, my enjoyment of a show has been
known to be the kiss of death.
                     


The gowns were amazing, all right, but TOTALLY wrong period.  The setting was supposed to be early 1800s.  Several of us discussed at the time that the designer could have made the clothes, appropriate to the period, with just as much sex and eye appeal, but in a different way.  Clearly no knowledge of costume history, or just didn't care.  I know it's theater, but still!  Kind of like the Adrian "Pride and Prejudice" in the style of the 1830s.

But we don't need to get off on that tangent, do we?
Ann Wass --part1_150.1824880e.2b1d2146_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 16:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08947 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:39:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Lb3a2025290; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Lb1DH027240; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2La4DH026754 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A2435A3C0296; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:36:03 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A23E10B601E8; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:35:58 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c29a4a$d12649c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C29A20.E7654580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:36:03 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C29A20.E7654580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can purchase Janice's patterns at her website http://www.jpryan.com/ . She also teaches a class at my Costume Classroom on how to make the gowns. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C29A20.E7654580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C29A20.E7654580-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 17:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09610 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2M52a2027924; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2M51pF012815; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2M4ZpF012534 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.4d.283ab2a0 (15876) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.133]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-1202170417; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:04:17 -0500 From: Mayfair13a@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4352EF6D.4925BC8A.0BE75FBE@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Sale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:03:07 -0500 Status: RO Hi All, Just letting you know that we are having a huge fabric sale at the Costumers Corner in Boise, ID. 40% off ALL FABRIC. 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Pasha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 17:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10181 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:32:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2MT3a2000502; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2MT1pF025991; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2MSbpF025762 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-168.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.168] helo=megan2) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18Iz3K-00064Z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:28:34 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: Mrs. Weasley (was Re: [h-cost] Gilderoy Lockhart Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021129200731.04be4d80@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:36:42 -0500 Status: RO Anyone have a picture of the second Mrs. Weasley sweater? Sounds interesting to me, but when I saw the movie, I was between 12 hour shifts of work, got 3 hours sleep and back to work, so I missed a few details. I guess I'm gonna just have to see it again soon to see what I missed in my sleep-deprived befuddled state. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 17:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10680 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ls2a2026944; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Ls0pF006764; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2LrBpF006396 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:53:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A647688A01EC; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:53:11 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A64729B8012C; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:53:11 -0600 Message-ID: <007d01c29a4d$38a82c60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000601c29a18$d7d55450$7ca15ed1@6pmdy01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pattern for 18th sack dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29A23.4EF04FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29A23.4EF04FE0-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 19:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11634 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:15:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2NR4a2009621; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2NR1ti000746; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2NQSti000404 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from p487-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.233] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IzxL-0003tF-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:26:27 +1300 Message-ID: <006601c29a5a$44e0c2f0$e9c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021202115211.51433.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:26:40 +1300 Status: RO > > Lovely, lovely, lovely Bella! > Ta Nicole. :) Yeah really lovely:) And it's also really nice to see them all in one place:) And thank you for your comments about my dress:) Just thought I'd save list space and reply here;) > > hehehe, and guess what, when I clicked on that link > > it said... 'temporarily > > unavailable, member exceeded bandwidth' *G* > Yep. I posted the notice on a few lists I'm on. :) heheh, I know that feeling;) Fortunately with being in a different time zone to most people on this list I was able to have a quickie peeky poo before others were able to view it;) > The whole site's going to the new, no-bandwidth-limit > server over the next few months. :) How on earth do they do it! I also noticed no ads or pop ups on the page.... one is seriously concidering if not a move at least a mirror over there.... michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 19:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11674 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:28:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB30G7a2016573; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB30G3HC026214; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB30F8HC025769 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:15:03 -0800 Received: from 66.141.48.235 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:15:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.141.48.235] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] French contemporaries of Henry VIII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 00:15:03.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[06848AD0:01C29A61] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:15:02 +0000 Status: RO The Emperor Charles was a contemporary of Henry VIII, and was the nephew of Katherine of Aragon, Henry's first wife. He was a Hapsburg - his father was Phillip of Burgundy. His mother was Juana la Loca of Spain. Hope this helps... Mary/Katerine >Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was >contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world. > I know we have Francis I in France but what about the >Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and >Scandinavian countries? I'm specifically looking for >portraiture, not politics. I think there's a Holbien >portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure >and I'm at a complete loss for the >Iberian penninsula. Links? Help? > Cassandra > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 20:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11883 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:21:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31CGa2020713; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31C1HC018127; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB31BIHC017873 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20778 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 01:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.61) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:11:16 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:11:20 -0500 Status: RO Actually, her business is still Medieval Miscellanea - Period Pavilions. According to the Pennsic 30 merchant guide, she can be found at: 6530 Spring Valley Dr. Alexandria, VA 22312 703-642-1740 office@medievalmisc.com Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com >Mistress Kathea von Linse is her SCA name. Mundane name is Corrie Weigle. She used to be "Medieval Miscellania" before some kind of bust up. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 20:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11965 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:44:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31Z3a2022118; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31Z2HC025767; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31YmHC025703 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18J1xY-000443-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:34:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEC0A2B.5C92D636@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:34:35 -0600 Status: RO IIRC, Medieval Miscellanea split the tent side of things and is now concentrating on patterns. --Charlene Janet Davis wrote: > > Actually, her business is still Medieval Miscellanea - Period Pavilions. > According to the Pennsic 30 merchant guide, she can be found at: > 6530 Spring Valley Dr. > Alexandria, VA 22312 > 703-642-1740 > office@medievalmisc.com > > Janet > > Janet Davis > Castle Furnishings > http:/www.medievalbookstore.com > > >Mistress Kathea von Linse is her SCA name. Mundane name is Corrie Weigle. > She used to be "Medieval Miscellania" before some kind of bust up. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Official sign near door: Door Alarmed. Hand-printed sign nearby: Window frightened. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 21:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12096 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:10:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31r2a2023368; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31r1HC001789; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31qHHC001559 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB32DgYc000986; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:13:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB32Dgft000983; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:13:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "sweetsheep@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <29950-22002121214114952@M2W052.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <29950-22002121214114952@M2W052.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212022113.41941.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB31qHHC001559 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:13:41 -0500 Status: RO On Monday 02 December 2002 09:11 am, sweetsheep@earthlink.net wrote: [text cut here] > Maybe this will help it make a little more sense... My great-grandmother > explained to me that this custom dates from the pre-Civil War era (American > Civil War, that is). According to her, the point of changing the hand your > fork is in, only cutting one piece of meat (or whatever) at a time, > changing hands, then eating it, was for ladies to demonstrate that they > were NOT hungry. In an era when "ladies" ate a full meal before sitting > down to dinner with company just so that they would not be SEEN eating much > (and therefore enhancing their reputation as frail waifs) it was a way of > being able to take up time at the dinner table without either appearing > rude (by ignoring the food) or appearing to NEED to eat. This fashion was > taken up by the Northern ladies who did not want to appear "crude" or > "hungry" either, and gradually the male dandies also began eating this way. Still can't imagine why redblooded working class *non* dandies would take the custom up, though. And as most of us are aware, Americans are perfectly capable of eating lots of food, fork switching or not. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 21:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12123 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:16:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3251a2024204; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3250HC005269; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB324uHC005208 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:04:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB32QMYc001125; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:26:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB32QM9Q001123; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:26:22 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212022126.21733.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB324uHC005208 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:26:21 -0500 Status: RO On Monday 02 December 2002 03:51 pm, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > > Where would one purchase the Janice Ryan sacque back > > gown pattern? > > But to answer this question, Smoke and Fire carries them. I'd bet Amazon Drygoods and AlterYears has them, too. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 21:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12176 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:25:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31E1a2020821; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31E0HC018779; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31DEHC018517 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB31F6Yv011144 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:15:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEC0595.8080107@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] French contemporaries of Henry VIII References: <20021202142040.63755.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:15:01 -0800 Status: RO Here's a couple of sites that offer portraits, some of rulers. You might check out the various _Timeline_ sites on the web to find Russian, Slavic, Lithuanian references to monarchs but portraiture of those folks is hard to come by due to the instability of the political/economical climate in those areas - never a really supportive condition for the arts. http://ripley.wo.sbc.edu/faculty/witcombe/ARTH16thcentury.html http://www.geocities.com/masterhaggen/kings/16th.htm Good luck, Theresa Eacker Cascio Michael wrote: > Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was > contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world. > I know we have Francis I in France but what about the > Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and > Scandinavian countries? I'm specifically looking for > portraiture, not politics. I think there's a Holbien > portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure > and I'm at a complete loss for the > Iberian penninsula. Links? Help? > Cassandra > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 21:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12278 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32i3a2026460; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32i2HC017510; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32hIHC017267 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:43:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24591 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:43:16 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021203013501.25762.23596.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: jack of all trade Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:40:40 -0500 Status: RO Yes, I know the gowns were the wrong period, but I guess I thought that was part of the show's charm. Very tongue-in-cheek. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 22:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12355 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:13:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3351a2027785; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3350HC023887; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3342HC023530 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3360Yv015210 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEC1F93.7060409@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] French contemporaries of Henry VIII References: <20021202142040.63755.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <3DEC0595.8080107@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:05:55 -0800 Status: RO To Cascio- Some of these might be interesting: Christian II of Denmark http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/g/gossaert/2/christia.html Juana la Loca, Philip I http://www.macuquina.com/histories/joanna_juana.htm Gustavas I of Sweden http://worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/gifs7/gustavsweden1523.jpg Isabella of Portugal http://www.mezzo-mondo.com/arts/mm/titian/TIZ013.html Sigismund II of Poland (a little after Henry) http://www.uni-mannheim.de/mateo/desbillons/eico/seite137.html Ivan the Terrible http://www.lib.utexas.edu/photodraw/portraits/ivan4.jpg Theresa Eacker > > Cascio Michael wrote: > >> Being alot rusty on my historical timelines, who was >> contemporary with Henry VIII in the rest of the world. >> I know we have Francis I in France but what about the >> Hapsburgs and the rest of the eastern European and >> Scandinavian countries? I'm specifically looking for >> portraiture, not politics. I think there's a Holbien >> portrait of Christina I of Denmark but I'm not sure >> and I'm at a complete loss for the Iberian penninsula. Links? Help? >> Cassandra >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 22:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12515 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32R3a2025404; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32R1HC012163; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32Q3HC011882 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m218.in-tch.com [216.166.191.218]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB32A7D13060 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:10:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEC164E.BCDB60FD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern References: <142.3f97dac.2b1d21dd@aol.com> <002f01c29a4a$d12649c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:26:22 -0700 Status: RO And she's a really nice lady, and very helpful! --Sue (who took her stays class and her carraco jacket class, and who will, gawd willing and the creek don't flood, actually get them made one of these days!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 22:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12585 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB33m3a2000372; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB33m0HC006336; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB33lgHC006255 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.47]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6I00LRXYE7J1@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB33iIb04770 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating In-reply-to: <200212022113.41941.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <29950-22002121214114952@M2W052.mail2web.com> <200212022113.41941.cathy@thyrsus.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:43:08 -0500 Status: RO Here's the scoop, as it were, on why Americans switch the fork from one had to another: I did a search on Ask Jeeves. Asking "Why do Americans switch hands when eating with a fork and knife?" Among other sites, they gave me Cuisinenet.com on a page called "A History of Eating Utensils in the West: A Brief Timeline". In it under the heading for 1630 was this paragraph: "Governor Winthrop of the Massachusetts Bay Colony possesses what is said to be the first and only fork in colonial America. The fad for using a fork has not yet reached the Americas, but Americans continue to import their knives from Europe. The blunted knives imported from Europe are not so easy to eat with as pointed ones were, and many people begin to use a spoon to steady food while cutting it. They then switch the spoon to the right hand to scoop up the bite of food -- the beginnings of what is known today as the zig-zag method." And just to avoid any more confusion an explanation of the zig-zag method: The Zig Zag Method By American custom, which was brought about partly by the late introduction of the fork into the culture, all three utensils are intended for use primarily with the right hand, which is the more capable hand for most people. This leads to some complicated maneuvering when foods, such as meat, require the use of knife and fork to obtain a bite of manageable size. When this is the case, the fork is held in the left hand, turned so that the tines point downward, the better to hold the meat in place while the right hand operates the knife. After a bite-sized piece has been cut, the diner sets the knife down on the plate and transfers the fork to the right hand, so that it can be used to carry the newly cut morsel to the mouth. Emily Post calls this the "zig-zag" style. And to be sure they are not making this up, here's the bibliography: Reading List: 1. From Hand to Mouth, Or, How We Invented Knives, Forks, Spoons and Chopsticks, and the Manners to Go with Them by James Cross Giblin. New York: Crowell, 1987. 2. The Evolution of Useful Things by Henry Petroski. New York: Vintage Books, 1994. 3. The History of Manners by Norbert Elias. New York: Pantheon Books, 1978. 4. Spoon by Habbakuk O. Westman. London: Wiley & Putnam, 1845. Linda K-S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 2 23:22:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12730 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34J5a2002380; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34J4HC015937; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34IpHC015864 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18J4WI-0006w1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:18:50 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone know Coryn Welgle? Message-ID: <001001c29a83$15646710$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3DEA9FBE.97355047@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:18:50 -0700 Status: RO Have you tried contacting the current printer/distributor? --sue Yes, no response at all from them. I'll try the number one of you provided and see where that takes me. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 00:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12864 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:00:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34o2a2004182; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34o1HC025122; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB34nGHC024836 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:49:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18J4zi-0003v6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:49:15 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <001101c29a87$550182a0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29A4C.A8A2AAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3DEA9FBE.97355047@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Construction stumper (puzzle) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:49:13 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29A4C.A8A2AAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have committed to teaching a class at Estrella on the German Goller and have been puzzling over this pattern in Kohler. I have drafted it, fiddled with it and still am unsure if I have understood it. I finally drafted my own pattern which looks like the garment, but this thing is bugging the crap out of me because I can't see how it goes together. My questions are: 1. Is there a relationship between the pattern on the left and right, or are these two different patterns for a goller? 2. Which side is the front and which is the back? 3. Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted? 4. Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece between the ends that extended upward in front? I am thinking a fresh pair of eyes needs to look at it, so I won't taint you by telling you how I put it together. http://www.saragrace.net/images/Costume/KohlerGoller.pdf A few pictures of gollers: This one may not look exactly like any of the pictures below. http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/1520baselholbein.htm http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/p/pourbus/pieter/index.html Portrait of Jacquemyne Buuck ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29A4C.A8A2AAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have committed to teaching a class at Estrella on the German Goller and have been puzzling over this pattern in = Kohler.  I have drafted it, fiddled with = it and still am unsure if I have understood it.  I finally drafted my own pattern which looks like the garment, = but this thing is bugging the crap out of me because I can’t see how it = goes together.  =

 

My questions are:

 

1.      = Is there a relationship between the pattern on the left and right, or are = these two different patterns for a goller?

2.      = Which side is the front and which is the back?

3.      = Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get = inserted?

4.      = Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then = says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece between the = ends that extended upward in front?

 

 

I am thinking a fresh pair of eyes needs to look at it, so I won’t = taint you by telling you how I put it together.

 

 

http://= www.saragrace.net/images/Costume/KohlerGoller.pdf

 

A few pictures of gollers:  This one may not look exactly = like any of the pictures below.

 

http://frazz= ledfrau.tripod.com/1520baselholbein.htm

 

http:= //www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/p/pourbus/pieter/index.html

 

Portrait of Jacquemyne = Buuck

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29A4C.A8A2AAA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 00:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12901 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:15:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35D4a2005367; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35D3HC001615; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35C4HC001313 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from p826-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.64] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18J5Lm-0007YJ-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:12:02 +1300 Message-ID: <014b01c29a8a$8146f270$40c3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <150.1824880e.2b1d2146@aol.com> Subject: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01C29AF7.7424E5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:11:51 +1300 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C29AF7.7424E5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <> But that's exactly the point of theatre/tv it shouldn't be a slave to = historical correctness as that is not it's purpose. And the audience it = reaches in the majority knows *nothing* about costume. It needs to be = able to further story and character and set the mood. It was also set in the back waters of a little outpost in the pacific = (well sort of asian/pacific) so fashions were supposed to be out of = date. I was in an episode (.. One Wedding and a funeral I think) where = Josephine was a character and she was indeed dressed in early 1800s. Now if they were going to be a bit more accurate with just how behind = the fashions would have been (a few years perhaps, I know NZ used to be = several years behind fashion even this last century!) then the impact of = the fashionable woman and the islanders would not have made an impact. And of course the Eiffel Tower featured in one show.. as well as = American football;)=20 It was such a great show to work on:) So very fun. I got to be goosed by = Bruce Campell several times during a sequence with him as the Daring = Dragoon... heheheh. Had a camera about 5 inches from my butt for second = unit;) Our costumes were extremely well made except for the hems of the skirts = (which only used fusible stuff, possibly for easy alterations for = different heights?) and consisted of chemise, corset petticoat, = underskirt and over gown. I didn't wear the chemise though as it was not = fully natural fibres unlike the corset and rest of the kit and when you = are working in Auckland summers for 15+ hours a day you do as much as = you can to stay cool:) Some others had silk gowns and some gowns were = made of fashionable reversable brocades. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/onstage.htm First image I'm on the extreme right of this screen cap. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/backstage.htm First four images, it's quite obvious who I am I guess;) The corsets were straight from Nora Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines and = fully boned. My wig was a nightmare. It looked like a big cow pat, so I changed my = hair colour and got a new one a few episodes from the end.. heheheeh. = Actually that wig was lovely, very dark brunette and it suited me so = well. I have one photo of that.. I really should scan it.... I have a nice = large flat hat on too... michela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C29AF7.7424E5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<The gowns were amazing, all right, but = TOTALLY wrong=20 period.  The setting was supposed to be early 1800s.  Several = of us=20 discussed at the time that the designer could have made the clothes, = appropriate=20 to the period, with just as much sex and eye appeal, but in a different=20 way.  Clearly no knowledge of costume history, or just didn't = care.  I=20 know it's theater, but still!  Kind of like the Adrian "Pride and=20 Prejudice" in the style of the 1830s.>>
 
But that's exactly the point of theatre/tv it = shouldn't be a=20 slave to historical correctness as that is not it's purpose. And the = audience it=20 reaches in the majority knows *nothing* about costume. It needs to be = able to=20 further story and character and set the mood.
 
It was also set in the back waters of a little = outpost in the=20 pacific (well sort of asian/pacific) so fashions were supposed to be out = of=20 date. I was in an episode (.. One Wedding and a funeral I think) where = Josephine=20 was a character and she was indeed dressed in early = 1800s.
 
Now if they were going to be a bit more accurate = with just=20 how behind the fashions would have been (a few years perhaps, I know NZ = used to=20 be several years behind fashion even this last century!) then the impact = of the=20 fashionable woman and the islanders would not have made an=20 impact.
 
And of course the Eiffel Tower featured in one = show.. as well=20 as American football;)
 
It was such a great show to work on:) So very fun. = I got to=20 be goosed by Bruce Campell several times during a sequence with him as = the=20 Daring Dragoon... heheheh. Had a camera about 5 inches from my butt for = second=20 unit;)
 
Our costumes were extremely well made = except for=20 the hems of the skirts (which only used fusible stuff, possibly for easy = alterations for different heights?) and consisted of chemise, corset = petticoat,=20 underskirt and over gown. I didn't wear the chemise though as it was not = fully=20 natural fibres unlike the corset and rest of the kit and when you are = working in=20 Auckland summers for 15+ hours a day you do as much as you can to stay = cool:)=20 Some others had silk gowns and some gowns were made of fashionable = reversable=20 brocades.
 
http://homepag= es.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/onstage.htm
First image I'm on the extreme right of = this screen=20 cap.
http://homep= ages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/backstage.htm
First four images, it's quite obvious = who I am I=20 guess;)
 
The corsets were straight from Nora = Waugh's Corsets=20 and Crinolines and fully boned.
 
My wig was a nightmare. It looked like = a big cow=20 pat, so I changed my hair colour and got a new one a few episodes from = the end..=20 heheheeh. Actually that wig was lovely, very dark brunette and it suited = me so=20 well.
I have one photo of that.. I really should scan = it.... I have=20 a nice large flat hat on too...
 
michela
 
http://homepages.ihug.co.n= z/~thebruce
http://recital.tripod.com/cost= ume
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C29AF7.7424E5D0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 00:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12906 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35H2a2005581; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35H1HC002658; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB35GqHC002615 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from p826-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.64] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18J5QR-0002Gv-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:16:51 +1300 Message-ID: <000901c29a8b$2e8f2560$40c3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021202140754.5694.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: 19thC opera photosRe: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:16:48 +1300 Status: RO > > Ooh. have you seen photos of women in the late 19thC opera? Specifically > > Faust and the Valkyries of Wagner's operas? While many dn't look like > > they've stepped out of a PRB painting they have that great 19thC meets well > > 19thC vision of the middle ages or renaissance;) I have a few scanned.. I'll > > see if I can pop some on a site somewhere... > Yes please!!!!! I've scanned the images I have most were photocopies unfortunately but they still give a good impression:) http://members.fortunecity.com/christine_daae_1881/opera.htm michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 03:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09469 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB38a5a2013598; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB38a1HC022516; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB38Z4HC022290 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:35:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021203083503.87813.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:35:03 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 19thC opera photosRe: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000901c29a8b$2e8f2560$40c3adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:35:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > I've scanned the images I have most were photocopies unfortunately but they > still give a good impression:) > > http://members.fortunecity.com/christine_daae_1881/opera.htm They are lovely, but most of them don't work. :-( There's a tripod error page. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 07:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28187 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:13:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3CBAa2021099; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3CB3HC008263; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3CA4HC008054 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.78.31e43be9 (3699) for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <78.31e43be9.2b1df910@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.31e43be9.2b1df910_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] Re: JoAT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:09:52 EST Status: RO --part1_78.31e43be9.2b1df910_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the first-hand reports of the show. But I thought some episodes were set in the Caribbean? In which case the "many years out of date" doesn't wash. But, I confess, I only watched it a couple of times--didn't find it nearly as entertaining as I had hoped from the promos. Ann Wass --part1_78.31e43be9.2b1df910_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the first-hand reports of the show.  But I thought some episodes were set in the Caribbean?  In which case the "many years out of date" doesn't wash.  But, I confess, I only watched it a couple of times--didn't find it nearly as entertaining as I had hoped from the promos.
Ann Wass
 --part1_78.31e43be9.2b1df910_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28356 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:11:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3D9Aa2023126; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3D91HC021932; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALA6RS0029924 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:06:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EoE7-0006X3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDCB01A.80506@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's a Spanish tassel dress? References: <20021121013551.18970.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:06:18 -0500 Status: RO That bears an amazing resemblance to a portrait of the magdalen, flemish, can't remember the time period that is in the Wadsworth Athanaeum in Hartford CT. Hers is a read dress, but the most striking blue bejewelled surcoat with the same cut. I will have to find the info on it again, and see if I can find the catalog and scan in the pic or find it online. My husband and I had a long discussion with the curator about getting in to photograph the painting as the catalog pic is in B&W ;-( because I wanted to use it to document an 'allegorical costume' for a fancy dress ball of allegorical/mythological people at Pennsic a few years ago. I still say that that style surcoat is allegorical. I can honestly say I have never seen a surcoat like this on what is supposed to be an actual person before[I don't consider the Magdalen to be an actual person...] margali Bella wrote: > Sure. Actually, a friend on another list scanned the > image and enlarged the figure, then uploaded it to her > site.... > > > > > Bella > > > http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper > - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28421 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DHJa2023491; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:17:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DHIHC024014; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAPHudpQ011117 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:56:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-125-195.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.195]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANC26307; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:54:29 GMT Message-ID: <032101c294ac$a792d9a0$c37d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic posture? was body type periods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:00:46 -0000 Status: RO Americans seem to take more space & be louder because English people are not used to their accents and they therefore stand out. I was on a human remains course last summer and an american lady was also in attendance. During the first few days in the small porta cabin classroom we all shared she seemed to do nothing but yell , but after a few days it seemed less so (this was remarked on by several of the English) I'm pretty convinced we simply learnt to turn out her speech the way we automatically do with others speech which falls in our 'normal' range. Generally most British will not notice american accents on TV as their brains tune out or into them as 'normal' for the box in the corner. This also happens with other accents say Glaswegian, if you are not familiar with it on a regular basis. Personal space issues are more difficult but I don't think are nationality based alone, it will also reflect the cultural aspects with that country. Not all Americans react the same, neither do all, Brits, French or what-have-you. To me city people (regardless of nationality) have a tendancy to rudeness, they don't speak, see you or let you go by politly (obviously not all of them) However, this changes greatly if you dress in Victorian kit (in London at least) Where people get out of you way, open dors and (heavans above) converse with you. How much of this is pure costume & how much is the way I become a different person in Victorian is hard to say as I've heard other have problems in such kit of people being abusive , I've never had that in any kit in any country (well once but he didn't live long ;)) In a large skirt I expect others to remove themselves from my path, as I would have done had I worn it at the time, I don't see any reason to defer to others in space, most people get the idea. This sounds pretty lofty I'd agree but it is the way I react in my Victorian or other gentry kit, if I'm in lower class kit I act like a lower class would & remove myself. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28425 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:19:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DD0a2023307; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DCaHC022841; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALAE4S0008810 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EoLT-0003Fk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:14:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDCB1DE.1090109@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:13:50 -0500 Status: RO My german buddy is coming over in january, I might be persuaded to ask him to bring it over if you could get it to him, and I could ship it on from here... margali Cassandra Greer wrote: > Well you could talk to me about it - the problem is getting this book from > here to you (wherever you are - I assume the States? I live here in Munich. > > Cass :) > > >>Maybe I missed it, but how could I get my hands on a copy of this catalog? >> >>Mary/Katerine >>(who is once again buying books for the pictures!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28429 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DH2a2023473; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DGxHC023942; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAPHPnpQ023011 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C647117014 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18GMzR-0000xz-00 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: body type periods, was Re: [h-cost] 1940s House In-Reply-To: <20021124160258.3081.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021122200040.01f44590@saltmine.radix.net> <20021124160258.3081.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 Status: RO I'm a dead ringer for those 16th century Flemish genre paintings showing women doing things with food as some kind of allegory about the sins of the flesh. I got told a while ago at an SCA event that I had "the right face" for what I was wearing. I doubt that's actually the case... but I do have fair English sort of skin and wasn't wearing any make-up. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28440 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DGYa2023442; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DGGHC023776; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAPGWVpQ023663 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:32:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-125-195.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.195]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANC19032; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:30:28 GMT Message-ID: <01f901c294a0$ea8a3700$c37d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021125140952.37018.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: body type periods, was Re: [h-cost] 1940s House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:37:15 -0000 Status: RO >I have to say though, I have never seen so amny ugly and awful teeth as here in England, as sorry I am to say this, but it is true and quite shocking. Occasionally I can't really look into someone's face when speaking to them, then again, at least the teeth here are very historically correct apparently Do you mean crowded or going bad ? Much of the crowding problem is because modern people eat mush for food & the jaw does not develop fully Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28446 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DIRa2023584; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:18:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DHvHC024187; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAPMFweb006024 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:15:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A89D1702E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18GRWI-0001GR-00 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:15:58 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic posture? was body type periods In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:15:58 -0500 Status: RO Linda wrote: > I wonder how much large clothing plays in this. I attended an event > this past weekend where a lady wearing a hoplande with a very long > train stopped in a hall to talk with a person standing against the > wall. Because of where she stopped, the train effectively blocked the > entire walk way in the hall. She, being in conversation was oblivious > of the number of folks who tried to not step on the train while > hurrying on their errands ladened with large trunks, bags or baskets > and the minor stir this caused between two who exchanged rude > behavior. Another whisked by in a purple Elizabethan with a rather > large hoop skirt. Her skirts touched people who were along the walls > of the halls. The person I was near exclaimed on how she would never > wear a dress like that as you can't avoid hitting people and things. Someone once suggested (half-jokingly, I *hope*) that Elizabethan costume shouldn't be allowed at large/crowded SCA events, for this very reason. Me, I handle my skirts by looking ahead a bit and planning which way to go places, so I don't get tangled up in close-set furniture or anything. When moving through crowded spaces I hold my skirts in my hand to keep them out of the way. But then, I'm not in a farthingale, just multiple layers of fullish skirts. I think I'd find it much more threatening to have large costumes assaulting me at head height than at ankle height. I'm not very protective of my ankle-space, but if someone had a large spiky hat or something, it might bother me. This weekend just past, I visited a museum which had a display of a typical Victorian parlour. It seemed very crowded given the size of the skirts for much of that period. Anyone know how on earth they moved around their over-furnished houses in crinolines? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28463 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DJga2023629; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DJRHC024547; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAQ7R9eb011378 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-116-46.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.116.46]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ00513; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:27:04 GMT Message-ID: <01a501c2951d$e6bc8560$2e744ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] fluoride Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:30:37 -0000 Status: RO >Out of curiosity - are there places in Europe that add fluoride to their drinking water? It's done all over the US as a way to improve dental health... Yes it is done in England in my area at least, I hate that, tastes foul, now we tend to buy bottled water like the continentals so it is a pretty pointless excersise !! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28563 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DY1a2024199; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DY01T027939; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAQGWnBq029539 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B89171A9 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18Gidk-0001xA-00 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:32:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ethnic posture / identification In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:32:48 -0500 Status: RO Jean asked: > I thought about it, and I realised that, living in a very varied > population like we do in the UK and US, the first thing I would describe > about someone was their hair colour and texture, because that splits > people up into reasonably small groups very quickly. People from less > mixed populations, to my eyes are all squeezed into a very small part of > that range,(for example, Asian/subcontinental - fine silky black hair, > south-east Asian - thick straight black hair) so I find them difficult > to tell apart, until I know them well enough to recognise features that > in [genetically] European people I wouldn't pay so much attention to. > > I was wondering whether people from communities which, to my eyes, seem > all to have the same type of hair, identify by finer differences in hair > colour and type, or is the first thing you distinguish a different > feature which has more variety? I grew up in Australia, and went to a boarding school there. At that school there were a number of asian students (mostly Singaporean, Malaysian, and from Hong Kong), and I had great difficulty telling them apart because (to me) they all had similar facial features and hair. I learnt to distinguish them by the shoes they wore, the style of their glasses, etc. One term I roomed with a Singaporean girl, and we got talking one night and she told me she had equal difficulty distinguishing between anglo-australian girls. Unfortunately she didn't give me any information on how asian people distinguish themselves. I don't *think* they would use shoes and glasses like I did! K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28570 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DY9a2024216; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DY91T027971; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAQHI1ID022835 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-118-220.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.220]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ53455; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:17:50 GMT Message-ID: <00e201c29570$6e66c5a0$dc764ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ethnic posture / identification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:22:43 -0000 Status: RO >,(for example, Asian/subcontinental - fine silky black hair, south-east Asian - thick straight black hair) so I find them difficult to tell apart, until I know them well enough to recognise features that in [genetically] European people I wouldn't pay so much attention to. I can generally split Indian/Pakistani people into their regions by their looks and their behaviour (at least I think that is how I do it I'm not that sure really) But in my area there a many around so I'm more tuned into it. >From speaking to friends from Asian communities I've heard them say we (European genetically) look the same. Leicester (the city not county) white people all look the same to me & I can't tell most 50-60 year olds from one another, sounds weird but there is a certain stamp to them (Gross generlisation obviouly some do differ !!!) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28576 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYIa2024260; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYI1T028029; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from napoleon.lanier-engineers.com ([65.174.8.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gARDRB4n015209 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by NAPOLEON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4H97P1FW>; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:27:54 -0600 Message-ID: <700D29BDA652D411A77400A0CC2195F56D390E@NAPOLEON> From: Curtis Paulina To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [h-cost] English Royalty fashions of the 1700s... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:27:54 -0600 Status: RO I was wondering if you could direct me to any websites where I can find information on English Royalty fashions of the 1700s mainly dealing with men's wigs and women's accessories. Thank you for your help. curtis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This email message and any accompanying attachments are confidential and privileged. This information is intended solely for the addressee; access by anyone else is unauthorized. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by mistransmission. 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If you have received this electronic message in error, please delete it and any attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28580 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYCa2024228; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYC1T027986; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAQHRgID029061 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-118-220.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.220]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ54608; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:27:38 GMT Message-ID: <00fb01c29571$cccb16e0$dc764ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: teeth Re: [h-cost] RE: behavior and cultures (was: Re: body typeperiods) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:32:30 -0000 Status: RO >Most tooth loss comes from plaque-related diseases (tooth decay and gum disease). These were apparently not a great problem until refined sugar became widely available Peridontal disease and absesses were wide spread long before sugar was around, there is some evidence of decay but as you say it tends to be less than now. Another big problem is wear from grit etc this wears away the enamal & leave the tooth more open to decay >Of course, in the Middle Ages, a broken or lost tooth couldn't be fixed or replaced, and when you did get a tooth disease, you would have it pulled, Depends where but there were so instances of repairs >But far fewer teeth were lost in the first place than were, say, a century ago. Hmm not sure on this one, I've seen skellys with no teeth at all one lady dubbed Godiva lost hers so long before death even the jaw had remoudled & there were no holes visible at all (where teeth would have been) >There were also a variety of teeth-cleaning methods in use historically, depending on your class and culture. I was most amused at a scene in Shakespeare in Love, when Gwyneth Paltrow is dressing, and her nurse hands her some small instrument and demands she clean her teeth. I'm not sure what the instrument was, but it looked like the equivalent of the frayed-end stick used commonly by many more "primitive" cultures. Tooth picks are common archaelogical finds, reminies from leechdoms & medical manuals are pretty common too. > If only people went for natural looking colours, like ivory and not > screaming white, that would be so much better, and not those front > rows of teeth that look like being chiselled out of one block. Actually people are barking up the wrong tree with the tooth thing, with bigger jaws their tooth alighnment would be very good. Their mouths probaly stank from peridontal diese & had plenty of plaque built up :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28585 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYLa2024276; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYL1T028043; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gARF7Y9v017509 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF8A1701E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18H3mn-0002zm-00 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:07:33 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic eating In-Reply-To: <042a01c2959a$5bb53660$eaf4fea9@glendaii> References: <042a01c2959a$5bb53660$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:07:33 -0500 Status: RO Glenda wrote: > > Historical Note: These entirely different ways of eating using a knife and > fork has me coming to the conclusion that eating with both of these as a > matter of course with all classes of people may have come on after the start > of the US colonies, but before the start of the Australian colonies, as the > US one seems so different, but the Aust. one is practically identical. Maybe > it might have something to do with the early US population being made up of > more mainland Europeans than the Australian mix. Anyone have any ideas? In a book I have (goes to check...) "In Small Things Forgotten: An Archaeology of Early American Life" by James Deetz, he suggests it's to do with the fashions in pointy or round-ended knives and the introduction of forks into the mainstream in England before they arrived in America. Basically, if you have a pointy knife you can use it to jab food and lift it. If you have a round knife you can't. Oh, let me just quote... this is too hard to paraphrase: The first mention of a fork in the Plymouth Colony area... is in 1721... but significant numbers do not show up... until the second half of the century. When forks appeared in quantities in England, knives changed in shape, and rounded blade ends replaced the pointed ones, since forks had assumed the function of the pointed blade. However, since most knives were made in England, and the fork appeared later in America, this relationship did not prevail in the New World. Using a round-ended knife and not having a fork, one would either have made considerable use of the fingers conveying solid foods to the mouth or made do with a spoon. This raises an interesting, if conjectural, point. Americans often comment that Europeans use their forks "upside down." In fact ,by the simple rule of priority and majority, it is we Americans who are "upside down". Since we did not learn to use forks until some time after the ends of knives were rounded, the change in the manner of food conveyance was not directly from knife tip to fork tine, as it ws in England. The only intermediate utensil available was the spoon; one could cut food and transfer it to the spoon bowl. If even one generation used knife and spoon in this manner, the fork, upon its belated appearance, would be used in a manner similar to the spoon. Which is precisely the way we use it today. Yet, in its function of anchoring food for cutting, the fork is held curve down; it is turned over while transferring the food from the plate to the mouth. This distinctive way of using hte knife, fork, and spoon came into existence during hte late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, and thus is one more American idiosyncrasy arising from isolation during that period. Interesting theory, no? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28586 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYFa2024246; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYF1T028006; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASKTQrI017849 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18HVHq-0001tl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3DE67CC1.2020202@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update References: <3DE2D5FE.4000408@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:29:53 -0500 Status: RO Well, if Cassandra takes the money and buys the books, and gets them to Christian, and he puts them in his flight bag and hand delivers them to me in January... margali Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > What aboud a fourth option? > It won't work for everyone....... > What aboud bringing it ? > Around Newyear or so... > :-) :-P :-P :-P > > Greetings, > Deredere > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28590 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYOa2024288; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYO1T028066; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gARJ7sMd016421 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:07:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E81170A5 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18H7XN-00039H-00 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:07:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: teeth Re: [h-cost] RE: behavior and cultures (was: Re: body typeperiods) In-Reply-To: References: <20021127.094916.-153497.2.Cley@juno.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:07:53 -0500 Status: RO Robin wrote: > But I'd be keen on knowing whether there's any, say, written evidence for > the use of earscoops. You see those little spoon things in Viking caches, > too -- I once heard someone surmise they were coke spoons. ;-) It's always > been assumed they were for ear cleaning, but I don't know whether there's > any reason to think that, or whether that's just someone's best guess > that's been repeated for years. At the Royal Ontario Museum the other day, I noticed they had some teeny tiny little scoops in the Coptic Egypt display. They said, however, that the scoops were used for getting perfumed ointment out of jars. This seems like a not-improbable use for such scoops. I was also reading a book on needlework tools and accessories, and there were many examples of stilettos -- spikes for poking holes in fabric for eyelets, etc. These were often found in collections of needlework tools, and could be made of bone, metal, etc. So that's a alternative possibility for the "toothpicks". On another note, I believe earscoops are used in the present day by some Asian cultures. I used to share a house with a Malaysian guy who said that he thought they were cool, and older relatives of his (father? grandmother?) had or used them, and I think he might have mentioned that you could pick them up in chinatown if you looked in the right place. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28596 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYTa2024316; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYT1T028098; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gATKd3UO009479 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Hruh-0006V3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:39:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3DE7D067.7040209@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:39:03 -0500 Status: RO Happy dance!!! The book got here;-) the oblaten, and lebkuchen did too, but that is a different list ;-) It is fantastic! It is also in german so I can see I will be spending quality time with my dictionary instead of my husband...he will just have to be understanding! grin. First on the list is pp 22, item 3 - it is a mid 16th century shirt. Blackwork, cutwork, pulled threadwork and interesting hem/seam treatment. All the individual pieces have little rolled hems and are then held to the next piece with a fancy openwork stitch...I can't wait to find out more about it as I would love to recreate this shirt! margali _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28600 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYRa2024302; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYQ1T028081; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASKMerI016498 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:22:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18HVBI-000443-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:22:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3DE67B2B.6020600@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:23:07 -0500 Status: RO One of the sold ones is mine ;-) Christian went and bought it for me and it is slllloooooowwwwwwly wandering it's way here from Laupheim ;-) along with oblaten for making lebkuchen and marchpane. lebkuchen and spekulaas, and more goodies he won't tell me about. Fratz! My curiosity is killing me ;-) margali Cassandra Greer wrote: > It was a great tour > and since it was for a group of ladies from a textile institute in > Switzerland, I think there were extra details given than aren't normally. > Afterwards I talked to here about the catalog and stuff. I told her there > were several people in the States and in England who are interested in > getting it and she was apologetic about the credit card problem but there > was nothing she could do about. She said 2000 were printed, 350 have been > sold so far 6 weeks into the exhibit. She is talking with some of her > contacts in the States about seeing if she can't get some of them to some > museum shops in the States. There won't be an English translation since they > don't have the resources for printing for such a relatively small audience. > > She said she was going to send me something in English about the exhibit - > hopefully it will come tomorrow by email and then I will pass it on. > She also has my contact info to let me know by mail when other interesting > things come up and then I will even be invited to premeres and stuff :))) > > She gave me the website of the guy (Johannes Pietsch) who helped restore the > pieces on display for this exhibit (and who would be teaching that class to > make the men's lederkoller). I went to his site and he actually has the > pattern for the one men's slit jacket pictured on my website. > > http://www.kostuemforschung.de/1207.html > > http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum4.html (the one on the top > right) > > And as a nifty detail from one of the religious embroidered things they had > that show tulips (the wild, stripped kind): she said that tulips came from > Turkey and the ones they valued were the skinny pointy kind with a pure > color and didn't make it to central Europe until the mid 16th century. The > wild ones actually came about due to a virus that infected the bulbs and > resulted in all sorts of wird mutations -which stayed around and resulted in > the tulip craze in Holland. This info helps date pieces because if they > appear then it had to be after the intro date. :))) > > As I remember details I'll try to post them. > > (BTW as a sidenote, I told her I had scanned some of the pictures and put > them online -the ones with patterns in the book so people would have a > chance to get a small taste of what is in the book, and she said yeah - > someone already 'told on me' someone who apparently didn't think it was > appropriate that I did this. 'Oh that was you - you must be cassandra > greer'. So she had even been to the site. At any rate she was happy I did > it and said I could keep it up since she is happy for all the advertisement > for this that she can get - especially since the sole purpose for me putting > it up was to get people interested in the book -since the museum website > doesn't even mention it. As for the person who 'told on me', it would have > been nice if they had said something to me first instead of being a 'tattle > tail'.) > > > Cass :) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 08:36:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28604 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYWa2024330; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3DYW1T028120; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAU3iDUO018224 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18HyY9-00053K-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:44:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3DE8340A.2000505@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating References: <20021129155921.B51C21E2714@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:44:10 -0500 Status: RO You on the SCA-cooks list? margali > > I can point you at huge great documents on that one, if you really want to know: my main hobby is medieval cooking, costume is just a sideline [:)] > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 09:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28967 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3ERKa2027009; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3ERJ1T013331; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3EQJ1T012960 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:26:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB3EAMD16820 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:10:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DECBF1D.6E7D510C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating References: <20021129155921.B51C21E2714@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DE8340A.2000505@Spamcop.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:26:37 -0700 Status: RO We're *everywhere*! --maire/sue M Traber wrote: > > You on the SCA-cooks list? > margali > > > > > I can point you at huge great documents on that one, if you really want to know: my main hobby is medieval cooking, costume is just a sideline [:)] > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 09:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29070 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3ER2a2026991; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3ER01T013209; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3EQF1T012968 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 238E91E2349; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:26:11 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:26:11 GMT Status: RO M Traber wrote : > You on the SCA-cooks list? > margali I have been, but couldn't keep up with the traffic. Too much of it was either SCA-specific, or USA-specific, and thus classed as "noise" from my POV. Wonderful group of knowledgable people, though. The Godecookery list is what I'm on: much more subject-specific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 10:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29299 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FW1a2001902; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FW01T008391; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB3FV61T007900 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2093 invoked by uid 1005); 3 Dec 2002 15:31:01 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.066642 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 15:31:01 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclas engineering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021203102806.K18930-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:31:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Chris, If you bring the back side up higher rather than having it scooped, this will help keep it in place.Another suggestion is to have most of the neckhole curve on the front piece, and very little on the back piece. This has helped keep cloaks & T-Tunics from strangling me. If you add edging or piping on the neck edge that has something of a nap (wool, etc.) this may help it "stick" to whatever's being worn underneath. Happy cycling, Drea On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > A couple of years ago I made myself a cyclas (early version of > sideless surcoat, with armholes only about 12" deep) in dark blue > linen, as something to wear over a lightweight undergown in hot > weather. > > However, when I wear it, it slips around on my shoulders and won't > stay centered -- sometimes slipping to one side, sometimes too far > back which raises the front neckline too much (I _hate_ being choked > by my clothing). > > I'm wondering how much of this is the fact that I made it out of > linen, and how much of it might be an "engineering" problem. Did I > make it too wide in the shoulders? It's wider at the top than my > natural shoulder line, since the ones in paintings mostly seem to be > cut that way. Is it too loose in the torso? Are there any > modifications I can make to the cut that will help it to behave > itself? > > I'd like to make a wool or brocade one soon as part of a new outfit, > so I'd welcome suggestions. > > (Along with the other problem, I also have the impression that it > makes me look fat, but I'm not sure whether that's true -- or if so, > whether it can be helped. I'm your typical middle-aged pear shaped > person , a bit on the stout side.) > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 10:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29303 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:34:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FP7a2001374; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FP01T005060; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FO31T004606 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp194.directcon.net [206.170.184.194]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB3FNvAB019112; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021203072807.00d8dec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: JoAT In-Reply-To: <78.31e43be9.2b1df910@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:28:07 -0800 Status: RO Some of us, who don't watch television, have no idea what "joAT" means. Explanation, please? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 10:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29326 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Fd4a2002482; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Fd11T011798; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FcV1T011537 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6J00G7VVBGA8@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: Re:[h-cost] fluoride To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DECCF13.9080906@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:34:43 -0600 Status: RO I know this is completely OT... but I have to respond to this .. My husband is a highly respected dentist in the US. And we are working to get flouride included in the drinking water in the community he serves. Why? Because we live in a major metropolitan area but each smaller community in and around are served by different water companies... and the commmunity he works in has the highest incidence of dental carries in their children than any of the other surrounding close communities. Now we are talking about being able to walk across the street and drinking water that is flouridated or drinking water in your own home (50 feet away) that may not be. Flouride occurs naturally in many water sources around the world. And the quantities that it takes to help prevent dental carries can in no way change the flavor of the water. We are talking micro-milli whatevers in content. It would be like a spec of dust affecting the flavor of a swimming pool of water. And I know of many studies done of bottled waters from around the world.. lots of them have naturally occuring flouride in higher levels than is introduced. 100% pure water, means it has had nothing added to it... not that everything that occurs naturally in it has been removed. If you want as close to completely nothing but H2O, then drink distilled water. It is flat flavored and almost seems to be missing something. Please understand, I am not trying to incite anything, just trying to educate a bit on the topic. Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 10:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29407 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:57:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Fv3a2004187; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Fv11T020645; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3FuX1T020326 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:56:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 173791600B5F9 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000c01c29ae4$94ea4fc0$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: <3DECCF13.9080906@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Re:[h-cost] fluoride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:56:45 -0000 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re:[h-cost] fluoride > ... and the commmunity he works in has the highest incidence of dental > carries in their children than any of the other surrounding close communities. I live in England, where we have had fluoride in the water for some time. A few years after it had been introduced, my dentist told me that he had revisited his old dental school, and the department that taught dentistry for children's teeth now had the problem that there were hardly any cases to be seen, since most children's teeth were now strong and healthy. Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 11:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29436 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:04:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3G21a2004639; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3G211T023133; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3G1G1T022708 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:01:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01789 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:09:42 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclas engineering In-Reply-To: <20021203102806.K18930-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:09:42 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > If you add edging or piping on the neck edge that has something of a > nap (wool, etc.) this may help it "stick" to whatever's being worn > underneath. To which I add: Also consider the nap of the fabrics that are rubbing -- you may have a slight directional nap on either the cyclas lining or the underdress that is forcing the other fabric to shift. Lining the cyclas with a very smooth worsted or very smooth linen can help keep it from crawling. On one of my earliest outfits, when I was a starving college student, I cut an underdress very economically by turning the fabric sideways. It was a slightly fuzzy brushed cotton, rather flannel-like in texture. You couldn't see that there was a directional nap, but I found it out the hard way, when my fitted laced overdress twisted on my body. Within just an hour or two, the bottom of the front lacing had spiraled around to my side. It took me a while to realize that there was nothing wrong with the overdress; it was just following the push of the underdress nap. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 12:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29892 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:33:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HDra2011294; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:13:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HB11T029444; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB3HAU1T029087 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:10:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30497 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:24 -0000 Received: from pd958f928.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.88.249.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp018-rz3) with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:10:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DE67CC1.2020202@Spamcop.Net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:10:23 +0100 Status: RO Hey if he will do this then I would do it too! Several people have already done it through me but they are being shipped by boat.... Cass :) PS seeeeee! Someone else knows how cool this book is too! :))) > Well, if Cassandra takes the money and buys the books, and gets > them to Christian, and he puts them in his flight bag and hand > delivers them to me in January... > > margali > > Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > >> What aboud a fourth option? >> It won't work for everyone....... >> What aboud bringing it ? >> Around Newyear or so... >> :-) :-P :-P :-P >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 12:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30006 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HQla2012544; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:26:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HO11T007248; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HNM1T006869 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from ANALYSIS.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.86]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gB3HNLx28183 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203084656.00a6fd40@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Construction stumper (puzzle) In-Reply-To: <001101c29a87$550182a0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> References: <3DEA9FBE.97355047@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4606421==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:15:24 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_4606421==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's been easily 6 years since I did any study in this area and 3 years since I've looked at a German pattern. I'll answer what I can. At 09:49 PM 12/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >My questions are: > > 1. Is there a relationship between the pattern on the left and > right, or are these two different patterns for a goller? Two different ones. The pattern on the left is supposed to be a gollar with a standing collar. The right is for a gollar with a shawl (rolled) collar. Whether either of these will make the garments is subject to debate >; ) >2. Which side is the front and which is the back? The left side is the front on both figures. >3. Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted? The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error. >4. Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, >but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece >between the ends that extended upward in front? Same as above. The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in the blanks I'm missing. Back to the 19th & 20th c. for me >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_4606421==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" It's been easily 6 years since I did any study in this area and 3 years since I've looked at a German pattern.  I'll answer what I can.

At 09:49 PM 12/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
My questions are:

 1.      Is there a relationship between the pattern on the left and right, or are these two different patterns for a goller?

Two different ones.  The pattern on the left is supposed to be a gollar with a standing collar. The right is for a gollar with a shawl (rolled) collar. Whether either of these will make the garments is subject to debate >; )

2.      Which side is the front and which is the back?

The left side is the front on both figures.

3.      Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted?

The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error.

4.      Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece between the ends that extended upward in front?

Same as above.

The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in the blanks I'm missing.

Back to the 19th & 20th c. for me >; )

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis


--=====================_4606421==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 13:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30189 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:39:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3IMHa2018438; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:22:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3IJW1T008869; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3I9K1T002992 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-110-167.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.110.167]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANT15692; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:09:06 GMT Message-ID: <00da01c29af7$bc2c1380$b1694ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DECCF13.9080906@comcast.net> <000c01c29ae4$94ea4fc0$97725651@bella> Subject: Re: Re:[h-cost] fluoride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:13:41 -0000 Status: RO >I live in England, where we have had fluoride in the water for some time. A few years after it had been introduced, my dentist told me that he had revisited his old dental school, and the department that taught dentistry for children's teeth now had the problem that there were hardly any cases to be seen, since most children's teeth were now strong and healthy. Do you know any children who drink water regularly ? My kids friends moan like mad if we give them water, I think this is just as likely to be from aspartane as opposed to sugar in squashes & local drinks. My kids don't drink squash (unless home made) due to intolerances & the fact I'm not keen on aspartane in regular doses. I try & have then drink natural juices & water & milk When I was young everyone tended to have filled teeth, my dentist (in England) now sayes these fillings were fashionable 'preventative' filling & generally no needed. My kids have very few fillings. Then again I've not had on in years either, it seems they are far less inclined to fill that previously, I don't drink tap water, but I don't know how much water in veg & tooth cleaning with fluride affect the teeth Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 13:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30223 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3IYda2019689; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3IVq1T015880; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:31:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Hth1T025426 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:55:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.185] (pm5-185.eos.net [205.133.149.185]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20049 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:55:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021203051302.1601.19826.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: jack of all trades, again Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:53:07 -0500 Status: RO Michaela: Thanks for the link to your pix! It must be fun to have done that. One last note -- I really loved the costumes they did for the little guy that was, what? Napoleon's brother? Cousin? Or was it Napoleon? I forget, it was just so funny to have a super-short Napoleon! And his costumes, like the wedding outfit on your picture, were so well done! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 14:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30562 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:56:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Jp3a2026775; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Jp01T029581; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB3JoN1T029246 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:50:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 34394 invoked by uid 1005); 3 Dec 2002 19:50:15 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.095658 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 19:50:14 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203084656.00a6fd40@blue.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <20021203144738.I47315-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Goller Construction (was: Construction Stumper) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:50:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kohler, though he does have some valuable photos & patterns, should be taken with a grain of salt (especially where he doesn't list his references. :) I don't have a copy myself--could you post pics to a website, or somewhere? I have a microfilm copy of a 16th c. German tailor's book, that I'll look through for examples of goller cuts. Thanks, Drea On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > It's been easily 6 years since I did any study in this area and 3 years > since I've looked at a German pattern. I'll answer what I can. > > At 09:49 PM 12/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >My questions are: > > > > 1. Is there a relationship between the pattern on the left and > > right, or are these two different patterns for a goller? > > Two different ones. The pattern on the left is supposed to be a gollar > with a standing collar. The right is for a gollar with a shawl (rolled) > collar. Whether either of these will make the garments is subject to > debate >; ) > > >2. Which side is the front and which is the back? > > The left side is the front on both figures. > > >3. Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted? > > The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes > sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a > dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error. > > >4. Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, > >but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece > >between the ends that extended upward in front? > > Same as above. > > The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. > I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was > condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in > the blanks I'm missing. > > Back to the 19th & 20th c. for me >; ) > > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California at Davis > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 14:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30569 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:58:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Jw3a2027630; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Jw14a003070; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3JvH4a002563 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:57:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6K0051D7D0MZ@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DED0C0A.9090803@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 References: <20021203190010.2283.81608.Mailman@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1519 - 2 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:54:50 -0600 Status: RO > > Message: 1 > From: "Melanie Wilson" > > Do you know any children who drink water regularly ? > > My kids friends moan like mad if we give them water, I think this is just as > likely to be from aspartane as opposed to sugar in squashes & local drinks. > > My kids don't drink squash (unless home made) due to intolerances & the fact > I'm not keen on aspartane in regular doses. I try & have then drink natural > juices & water & milk > > When I was young everyone tended to have filled teeth, my dentist (in > England) now sayes these fillings were fashionable 'preventative' filling & > generally no needed. My kids have very few fillings. Then again I've not had > on in years either, it seems they are far less inclined to fill that > previously, I don't drink tap water, but I don't know how much water in veg > & tooth cleaning with fluride affect the teeth > > Mel Actually my children and grandchildren for that matter were/are given water to drink from infancy. Adequate water is crucial to healthy development. We simply did not give them any other option such as juice or milk when they would say they were thirsty. They received juice with breakfast, and milk with the other meals. And what is squash? :D (here in the states it is considered a vegetable, you cook and eat it ) -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 17:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31371 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:12:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3MC9a2010745; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3MC0Gt017038; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3MBuGt016997 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-uive8jh.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.34.113] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JLGl-00063w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:11:55 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202101036.0344feb8@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Opposite Direction Plaits? (WAS: Re: [h-cost] Eowyn Costume uploaded:) ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:16:08 -0500 Status: RO On 3 Dec 2002 00:26:00 +1300, "michaela" wrote: >I learnt a very good trick from the make up team on Xena/JoAT: >Make four french plaits, two outer that go round the hair line, and in >opposite direction, two inner also alternating. Do you mean one starting from the crown/hairline going to the nape of the neck and the other starting from the nape of the neck going to the crown/hairline, or one underbraided and one overbraided, or something else? >Then you wrap the ends in the spaces between the rows. They flatten down >very well and the rows are excellent for anchoring the pins through. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 17:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31465 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:37:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Mb2a2013663; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Mb1Gt000760; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3MakGt000588 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JLej-0001Qi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:36:41 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Construction stumper (puzzle)-more questions Message-ID: <000901c29b1c$75bf8330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29AE1.C960AB30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203084656.00a6fd40@blue.ucdavis.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:45 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29AE1.C960AB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I am with you up to this point. 3. Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted? The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error. Do I understand correctly that you think the dart should be more oval shaped rather than sharp angles? 4. Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece between the ends that extended upward in front? Here I am confused. I have successfully inserted a piece in the one on the right to get a stand up collar, but the shape is not what I would call oblong. Do you think he intended this one to not have a stand up collar (any collar at all) and just the shawl lapels? I have also sewn the one up on the left but the collar the way it is drafted sits very oddly-shifts it too far back on the shoulders. And I am still confused where the oblong piece is intended to go if it doesn't go in the one on the right. The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in the blanks I'm missing. Does anyone know anyone that has the original? I guess at least I can say I went through the exercise of trying to make it 'the way they 'really did it', but in the end I will probably just use my own pattern. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29AE1.C960AB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Okay, I am with you up to this = point.  

3.      Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get = inserted?


The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes = sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a dart = which was rounded. I think it's a translation error.
Do I understand correctly = that you think the dart should be more oval shaped rather than sharp = angles?

4.      Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an = oblong piece between the ends that extended upward in front?

Here I am confused.  I have successfully inserted a = piece in the one on the right to get a stand up collar, but the shape is not what = I would call oblong.   Do you think he intended this one to not have a = stand up collar (any collar at all) and just the shawl lapels?  I have also sewn the one up on = the left but the collar the way it is drafted sits very oddly-shifts it too far = back on the shoulders.  =

And I am still confused where the = oblong piece is intended to go if it doesn’t go in the one on the = right.

The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm = concerned. I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in = the blanks I'm missing.

 

Does anyone know anyone that has = the original?

I guess at least I can say I went through the exercise of trying to make = it ‘the way they ‘really did it’, but in the end I will probably = just use my own pattern.



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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:42:53 -0700 Status: RO Apparently there is a portrait of Anne of Cleves' sister Sybilla, the Electress of Saxony in the 'Blue Boudoir' at Warwick Castle. The 'information people' said they were not aware of any reproductions (I have a drawing of it, but it isn't in color) of this portrait (it is by Cranach, shows her standing in full "crany" dress with her son). I would be beholden to anyone that can easily get there for a snapshot (if they even let you do that). Sg :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 18:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31570 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:12:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NA6a2016856; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:10:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NA1Gt018598; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3N9NGt018307 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18JMAJ-0004qR-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:09:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] Swaddling Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:07:41 +0000 Status: RO Re recent conversations about swaddling - did you pick up this news story? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2534113.stm To summarise, researchers found that, when babies get to around 2 months, parents often lay them to sleep on their fronts because they sleep better. Laying babies on their back is recommended to prevent cot death. So they did a study with babies lying on their backs, swaddled or unswaddled, and monitoring breathing, REM etc. They found that the swaddled babies woke less often and less fully. I still can't picture a "specially designed cotton spandex swaddle", though! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 18:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31599 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:23:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NG3a2017459; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NG0Gt021556; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NFpGt021488 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:15:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from ANALYSIS.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.86]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gB3NFnx13092 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:15:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203144749.02de2008@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: RE: [h-cost] Construction stumper (puzzle)-more questions In-Reply-To: <000901c29b1c$75bf8330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203084656.00a6fd40@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_25755031==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:10:03 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_25755031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:36 PM 12/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Okay, I am with you up to this point. > >3. Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted? > >The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes >sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a >dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error. >Do I understand correctly that you think the dart should be more oval >shaped rather than sharp angles? It's whatever shape works best, honestly. Draping is your friend. If you have a dress form, use a mid weight woven to make a mock up. Pin the CF, CB and then slit for the dart and play with it after getting the dimension for your form right. I do remember that the gollar on the left was over large as shown. >4. Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, >but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece >between the ends that extended upward in front? > >Here I am confused. I have successfully inserted a piece in the one on >the right to get a stand up collar, but the shape is not what I would call >oblong. Do you think he intended this one to not have a stand up collar >(any collar at all) and just the shawl lapels? Maybe. If you remove the insert and close, do you get a rolled collar? Give it a try on a dress form. >I have also sewn the one up on the left but the collar the way it is >drafted sits very oddly-shifts it too far back on the shoulders. Try working the pattern in half on a dress form and you'll find that you trim a bit off the back but also be aware that to get the right shape, it does sit a ways off the nape of the neck (which bugs me to no end). >And I am still confused where the oblong piece is intended to go if it >doesn t go in the one on the right. I have no idea. If you take out an oblong dart length wise on the standing collar, you get a rolled collar effect. I do think it was a translation error. Personally, I stay away from Kohler, especially when it comes to technical details. I think Drea said mentioned that too. >The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. >I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was >condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in >the blanks I'm missing. I think Drea has a copy of the Innsbruck manuscript (there are 4 pattern manuals from the period). I'd look at the pattern layouts for garment with collars from that period and a little later. >Does anyone know anyone that has the original? I haven't seen it. I believe it's German as well. >I guess at least I can say I went through the exercise of trying to make >it the way they really did it , but in the end I will probably just use my >own pattern. LOL at least you didn't try to use Kohler's women's bodice from the period. I remember it was a big ol' mess too >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_25755031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:36 PM 12/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Okay, I am with you up to this point. 

3.      Where does the oblong piece referred to in the text get inserted?

The figure on the left shows a fish eye dart being taken out which makes sense. The one gollar I've seen made from this particular pattern used a dart which was rounded. I think it's a translation error.
Do I understand correctly that you think the dart should be more oval shaped rather than sharp angles?

It's whatever shape works best, honestly.
Draping is your friend. If you have a dress form, use a mid weight woven to make a mock up. Pin the CF, CB and then slit for the dart and play with it after getting the dimension for your form right. I do remember that the gollar on the left was over large as shown.

4.      Why does he say the part round the neck is not sewn on separately, but then says the standup collar is formed by inserting an oblong piece between the ends that extended upward in front?

Here I am confused.  I have successfully inserted a piece in the one on the right to get a stand up collar, but the shape is not what I would call oblong. Do you think he intended this one to not have a stand up collar (any collar at all) and just the shawl lapels? 

Maybe. If you remove the insert and close, do you get a rolled collar? Give it a try on a dress form.

I have also sewn the one up on the left but the collar the way it is drafted sits very oddly-shifts it too far back on the shoulders. 

Try working the pattern in half on a dress form and you'll find that you trim a bit off the back but also be aware that to get the right shape, it does sit a ways off the nape of the neck (which bugs me to no end).

And I am still confused where the oblong piece is intended to go if it doesn t go in the one on the right.

I have no idea. If you take out an oblong dart length wise on the standing collar, you get a rolled collar effect. I do think it was a translation error.  Personally, I stay away from Kohler, especially when it comes to technical details. I think Drea said mentioned that too.

The provenance of those patterns is up for debate as far as I'm concerned. I remember something about Kohler being originally a 9 vol study that was condensed into 1 book. I'm sure someone with a better memory can fill in the blanks I'm missing.

I think Drea has a copy of the Innsbruck manuscript (there are 4 pattern manuals from the period). I'd look at the pattern layouts for garment with collars from that period and a little later.

Does anyone know anyone that has the original?

I haven't seen it. I believe it's German as well.

I guess at least I can say I went through the exercise of trying to make it the way they really did it , but in the end I will probably just use my own pattern.

LOL  at least you didn't try to use Kohler's women's bodice from the period. I remember it was a big ol' mess too >; )

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis
--=====================_25755031==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 18:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31614 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NR2a2018413; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NR1Gt028402; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3NQZGt028179 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip197.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.197]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB3NQSZ18080 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swaddling Message-ID: <3DECCC76.7531.1E106357@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0800 Status: RO > Re recent conversations about swaddling - did you pick up this news > story? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2534113.stm > > To summarise, researchers found that, when babies get to around 2 > months, parents often lay them to sleep on their fronts because they > sleep better. Laying babies on their back is recommended to prevent > cot death. So they did a study with babies lying on their backs, > swaddled or unswaddled, and monitoring breathing, REM etc. They found > that the swaddled babies woke less often and less fully. > > I still can't picture a "specially designed cotton spandex swaddle", > though! Unfortunately, that means that they don't wake up when they *need* to wake up. It sounds like they need to do some population studies looking at long term effects of swaddling (ie regarding cot death/SIDS). Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 19:56:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32011 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB40u4a2026384; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB40u20u010558; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB40t40u010104 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from p70-nas12.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.205.70] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JNob-0006dr-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:55:02 +1300 Message-ID: <007c01c29b2f$c5eae8f0$46cdadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <78.31e43be9.2b1df910@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: JoAT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29B9C.BC2303D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:54:59 +1300 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29B9C.BC2303D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <> There were two 'types' of extras on this show: colonial which were of = french/english descent, never did figure that one out.. white European = anyway, and 'Natives' which were all the asian extras that coudl be = found (Along with some translators as some did not have a good grasp of = english). 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<<Thanks for the first-hand reports of the = show. =20 But I thought some episodes were set in the Caribbean?  In which = case the=20 "many years out of date" doesn't wash.  But, I confess, I only = watched it a=20 couple of times--didn't find it nearly as entertaining as I had hoped = from the=20 promos.
Ann Wass>>
 
There were two 'types' of extras on this show: = colonial which=20 were of french/english descent, never did figure that one out.. white = European=20 anyway, and 'Natives' which were all the asian extras that coudl be = found (Along=20 with some translators as some did not have a good grasp of=20 english).
 
East Indies, not West Indies:)
 
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It must be fun to have done that. It was:) It was really fun, and Stuart Devinie as Croque had such a dry wit. > One last note -- I really loved the costumes they did for the little guy > that was, what? Napoleon's brother? Cousin? Or was it Napoleon? I forget, it > was just so funny to have a super-short Napoleon! And his costumes, like the > wedding outfit on your picture, were so well done! Yeah it was Vern Troyer as Napoleon:) That costume was just a fantastic confection;) He really did look like a lolly all wrapped up in pink and tinsel;) One of his body doubles (actually he was on set a few times for second unit as for close up work you just can't find a good double) was a two year old toddler:) He was so cute when we were doing a scene (the American Football scene I mentioned earlier) as he was so young he didn't really understand the need to follow directions;) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 20:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32287 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41jAa2029696; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41j10u027678; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41ie0u027544 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <20021204014434051007tbdte>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:44:35 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c29b36$b2d72a60$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Arizona costumer for hire? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:44:34 -0800 Status: RO Hello all! I have a male friend who lives just outside of Phoenix, who is looking for a costumer to make him a men's Regency outfit. Is there anyone on the list who is located in Arizona (he'd be willing to travel as far as Tucson for fittings etc.) who's good with male clothing of this period? Please contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch! Thanks, Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 20:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32321 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41q1a2000313; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41q00u029904; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB41pa0u029774 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21925 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.206.31]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Dec 2002 01:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c29b37$be95f380$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021202002823.00cb9210@mail.frys.com> <00a201c299de$37e43f90$a7c0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:52:03 -0500 Status: RO I'm an Internet Member of the Metropolitan Museum, and they send email on different events. The Cloisters portion of the Met (which I have never yet actually made it to) was included in the email on Christmas events: http://www.metmuseum.org/now_at_the_met_cloisters.htm There is a new section up on the Unicorn Tapestries http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_inside.htm This includes a section entitled What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt, and includes some closeups and commentaries of the clothes: http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_clothing.htm Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 21:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32401 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:13:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42E3a2001619; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42E10u006830; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42Do0u006768 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21463 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:13:46 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021203172401.7242.79654.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] I dont' know what to head this Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:11:11 -0500 Status: RO Hello all -- On a total tangent here -- I discovered something when looking at the wonderful Swiss page Cass posted. When I looked at the picture of the beautiful gowns, I noticed for the first time how much this style emphasizes the curve at the small of the woman's back, which Robin Netherton has so often reminded us is apparently very attractive to gentlemen. I guess I haven't seen too many of these gowns in person or from the right angle -- let's face it, in films and on stage, the bust or the entire front view is usually emphasized. But here you can see what a lovely curved shape these gowns have in the back. Just a random thought -- Gail finke > She gave me the website of the guy (Johannes Pietsch) who helped restore the > pieces on display for this exhibit (and who would be teaching that class to > make the men's lederkoller). I went to his site and he actually has the > pattern for the one men's slit jacket pictured on my website. > > http://www.kostuemforschung.de/1207.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 21:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32453 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42a3a2002779; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42a10u013667; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB42Zm0u013579 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB42vaYc004513; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB42va4U004511; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Kirrily Robert Subject: Re: teeth Re: [h-cost] RE: behavior and cultures (was: Re: body typeperiods) User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021127.094916.-153497.2.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212032157.36311.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB42Zm0u013579 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 Status: RO On Wednesday 27 November 2002 02:07 pm, Kirrily Robert wrote: > Robin wrote: >[text cut here] > At the Royal Ontario Museum the other day, I noticed they had some teeny > tiny little scoops in the Coptic Egypt display. They said, however, > that the scoops were used for getting perfumed ointment out of jars. > This seems like a not-improbable use for such scoops. > > I was also reading a book on needlework tools and accessories, and there > were many examples of stilettos -- spikes for poking holes in fabric for > eyelets, etc. These were often found in collections of needlework > tools, and could be made of bone, metal, etc. So that's a alternative > possibility for the "toothpicks". > > On another note, I believe earscoops are used in the present day by some > Asian cultures. I used to share a house with a Malaysian guy who said > that he thought they were cool, and older relatives of his (father? > grandmother?) had or used them, and I think he might have mentioned that > you could pick them up in chinatown if you looked in the right place. I've seen people clean their ears with the ends of paper clips...it's not hard for me to imagine them using a small spoon designed (or even not designed) for the job. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 22:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00332 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43w3a2007724; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43w10u008557; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43v90u008286 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JQer-0000tb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:57:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3DED7D18.4030500@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:57:12 -0500 Status: RO this book is to DIE FOR!!! should we mention the scaled patterns in the back...my husband was looking at the lederkoller and thinking about the 2 sides of clothing weight leather in the barn... and almost every page has a wonderful color picture of something;-) I almost feel like I have been there and seen the exhibit. The only thing I am seriously miffed about is we are going to Bavaria to visit Christian in the spring when ROb can get leave from his boat...and the exhibit will be closed ;-( So, you live anywhere near Gaertringen...? grin margali Cassandra Greer wrote: > Hey if he will do this then I would do it too! Several people have already > done it through me but they are being shipped by boat.... > > Cass :) > > PS seeeeee! Someone else knows how cool this book is too! :))) > > >>Well, if Cassandra takes the money and buys the books, and gets >>them to Christian, and he puts them in his flight bag and hand >>delivers them to me in January... >> >>margali _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 3 23:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00355 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43x0a2007776; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43x00u008863; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB43wf0u008761 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JQgK-0002kE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:58:43 -0500 Status: RO I can understand that;-) I find it overwhelming and I am one of the serious oldtimers from the list! margali jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > M Traber wrote : > > >>You on the SCA-cooks list? >>margali >> > > I have been, but couldn't keep up with the traffic. Too much of it was either SCA-specific, or USA-specific, and thus classed as "noise" from my POV. Wonderful group of knowledgable people, though. > > The Godecookery list is what I'm on: much more subject-specific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 00:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00524 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4527a2011571; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB45200u028113; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB451L0u027883 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.162] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id AC20C98100F4; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:15:08 -0500 Status: RO <<<<>>>> Oh, I remember you from there. I got off it too, partly because of the volume, but more because every time anybody said anything the only responses were "replied to privately" or "refer to the Florilegeum". It was like no conversation or information was allowed. The SCA Humor list was hilarious, wonderful-----and unfortunately a major source of virusii. Weather is down to 10 below again tonight. F. A couple of days ago it was just above freezing and rained for 2 days steady. Got out the heavy coats today, and remembered that capes actually were meant to go over a coat, not be just worn by themselves. A good cape will catch the drizzle and can be easily taken off when entering a cool building or vehicle. The coat underneath is still dry and warm. Then there's the hood effect. Put the thing up FIRST, not after it's full of water or snow, and dumps it down your neck. The draped ones look lovely in pictures, but scoop the wind around your head like a wind tunnel. Cold! Diane S.----hunting up my velvet dresses and skirts today, and a taffeta petticoat underneath is pretty windproof too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 01:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00705 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46C3a2014930; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46C10u017740; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46Ba0u017592 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a24.in-tch.com [66.62.107.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB45tYD19853 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:55:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DED9CA8.72AC8C6C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:11:52 -0700 Status: RO Good lord, I don't know when you were on, but I've certainly never seen a lack of info-sharing and conversation on that list. Sometimes, I know folks refer to the Florilegium (very handy, that), because some topics tend to occur, and re-occur, and re-re-occur, just like they do here, and many times, the answers are already in a file somewhere in the Florilegium. To get this back from the dangerous shoals of talking too much about sca-related stuff, and into the safer waters of costuming.....I note that you're talking about cold weather. It sounds almost like you're combining costume and non-costume elements to stay warm. Where are you, by the way? We've had a couple of weeks of nothing but sub-freezing temps and ice fogs. Ugh. Very dreary. I've been starting on my winter projects--I'm making a fitted gown for an upcoming competition, learning tablet-weaving, and planning on getting around to making some garments inspired by the ones in the Mannesse Codex (for next summer's tourney season). What's everyone else doing? --sue STRAIGHT wrote: > > <<<< the serious oldtimers from the list! > margali>>>>> > > Oh, I remember you from there. I got off it too, partly because of the > volume, but more because every time anybody said anything the only responses > were "replied to privately" or "refer to the Florilegeum". It was like no > conversation or information was allowed. > The SCA Humor list was hilarious, wonderful-----and unfortunately a > major source of virusii. > Weather is down to 10 below again tonight. F. A couple of days ago it > was just above freezing and rained for 2 days steady. Got out the heavy > coats today, and remembered that capes actually were meant to go over a > coat, not be just worn by themselves. > A good cape will catch the drizzle and can be easily taken off when > entering a cool building or vehicle. The coat underneath is still dry and > warm. > Then there's the hood effect. Put the thing up FIRST, not after it's > full of water or snow, and dumps it down your neck. > The draped ones look lovely in pictures, but scoop the wind around your > head like a wind tunnel. Cold! > > Diane S.----hunting up my velvet dresses and skirts today, and a taffeta > petticoat underneath is pretty windproof too. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 01:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00712 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46IMa2015246; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46IM0u019441; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46HB0u019123 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <20021204061706002000uue7e>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:17:06 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:17:05 -0800 Status: RO I've finally finished my current project, which is based on the 1874-77 afternoon dress from _Patterns of Fashions_. I used the skirt pattern from that dress, and changed the bodice from an afternoon to a reception style. I did have some train trauma, so I'll be reworking the skirt! http://demode.tweedlebop.com/bustle.html - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 01:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00770 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46p1a2016548; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46p00u027690; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46oa0u027597 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a24.in-tch.com [66.62.107.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB46YdD02618 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:34:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEDA5D0.EAA1CF59@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:50:56 -0700 Status: RO Oooooh! I gotta admit, I don't know nuttin about the clothing of your time period, but it sure looks good! How fun! And where_ever_ did you find the striped satin? That stuff was completely cool..... --sue Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > > I've finally finished my current project, which is based on the 1874-77 > afternoon dress from _Patterns of Fashions_. I used the skirt pattern from > that dress, and changed the bodice from an afternoon to a reception style. > I did have some train trauma, so I'll be reworking the skirt! > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/bustle.html > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 02:19:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11140 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47K3a2017729; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47K10u004744; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB47Jj0u004664 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 521 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2002 07:19:39 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f29b.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.228.242.155) by mail.gmx.net (mp014-rz3) with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 07:19:39 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DED7D18.4030500@Spamcop.Net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:19:41 +0100 Status: RO When in spring? The exhibit might be extended to the middle of March Cass :) > this book is to DIE FOR!!! > should we mention the scaled patterns in the back...my husband > was looking at the lederkoller and thinking about the 2 sides of > clothing weight leather in the barn... > and almost every page has a wonderful color picture of > something;-) I almost feel like I have been there and seen the > exhibit. The only thing I am seriously miffed about is we are > going to Bavaria to visit Christian in the spring when ROb can > get leave from his boat...and the exhibit will be closed ;-( pout> > > So, you live anywhere near Gaertringen...? grin > > margali > > Cassandra Greer wrote: > >> Hey if he will do this then I would do it too! Several people have already >> done it through me but they are being shipped by boat.... >> >> Cass :) >> >> PS seeeeee! Someone else knows how cool this book is too! :))) >> >> >>> Well, if Cassandra takes the money and buys the books, and gets >>> them to Christian, and he puts them in his flight bag and hand >>> delivers them to me in January... >>> >>> margali > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 02:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24191 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47f2a2018557; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47f10u009937; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47e10u009684 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-104-10.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.104.10]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANI30750; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:37:54 GMT Message-ID: <007201c29b69$088069e0$0a684ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:44:52 -0000 Status: RO Well done. I shouldn't worry about you skirt getting trodden on whilst it is a pain, it seems to be totally unavoidable, unless you have your skirts too high for authenticity which looks aweful. I used to be really devestated every time it happened, but now I've got very quick to recognise the tug on a skirt stepped & swiftly back up to avoid damage :) and really good a repairing the damage ! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 02:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31833 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:52:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47r3a2019295; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47r00u013137; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB47qK0u013002 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from p15-max11.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.214.143] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JUKQ-0003kZ-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:52:19 +1300 Message-ID: <001501c29b6a$1112f950$8fd6adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:52:16 +1300 Status: RO > I've finally finished my current project, which is based on the 1874-77 > afternoon dress from _Patterns of Fashions_. I used the skirt pattern from > that dress, and changed the bodice from an afternoon to a reception style. > I did have some train trauma, so I'll be reworking the skirt! > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/bustle.html Oooh, love how you cut the darts into the stripes, and I think the black sleeves with the stripes cuffs works very well indeed in bringing the skirt and bodice to match:) Especially as I've seen a number of bodices that have contrasting sleeves that appear to be made from the skirt bodyfabric:) :) I also know someone who is going to absolutely love this as she has a mad passion for black and white stripes in the bustle era;) I know yours are cream but still;) I really have to find a group here that focuses on an era besides quasi medieval;) I just have no whre to where costumes from my favrouite era: late 1870s-1880s michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 03:15:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17367 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:15:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48F8a2020142; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48F10u018721; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB48Em0u018640 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:14:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204081448.97777.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:14:48 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:14:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I've finally finished my current project, which is based on the 1874-77 > afternoon dress from _Patterns of Fashions_. I used the skirt pattern from > that dress, and changed the bodice from an afternoon to a reception style. > I did have some train trauma, so I'll be reworking the skirt! > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/bustle.html COOL! That looks really lovely Kendra. The striped bodice is indeed gorgeous. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 03:25:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27244 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:25:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48Q3a2020547; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48Q20u021787; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB48PS0u021582 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:25:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204082527.66527.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:25:27 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DED7D18.4030500@Spamcop.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:25:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- M Traber wrote: > this book is to DIE FOR!!! > should we mention the scaled patterns in the back...my husband > was looking at the lederkoller and thinking about the 2 sides of > clothing weight leather in the barn... > and almost every page has a wonderful color picture of > something;-) HarHarHar may I smugly say that my friend in Aachen ordered one for me and it'll be waitinmg for me when I visit them at Christmas. ;-) Nicole - off in a couple of weeks to the annual Germany visit ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 03:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04476 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:35:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48a1a2020874; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB48a00u023950; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB48Zg0u023863 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:35:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204083542.57776.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:35:42 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c29b1d$54231f60$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:35:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Apparently there is a portrait of Anne of Cleves' sister Sybilla, the > Electress of Saxony in the 'Blue Boudoir' at Warwick Castle. The > 'information people' said they were not aware of any reproductions (I > have a drawing of it, but it isn't in color) of this portrait (it is by > Cranach, shows her standing in full "crany" dress with her son). While I can't get there easily before March, I went there just 3 weeks ago or so. If you show me a drawing I may at least remember the painting, I have a vague recollection. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13501 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FJ5a2004374; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FJ14V003404; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4FIb4V003188 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Okbc61fCPswQxoxRfvLgC2E="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HJ7Q3A84; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:18:01 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swaddling Message-ID: <20021204.071904.-153497.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-41 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:05:15 +0000 Status: RO I confess total ignorance when it comes to babies, but isn't a certain amount of crying necessary for the healthy development of an infant's lungs? Arlys On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0800 kat@grendal.rain.com writes: > > > Re recent conversations about swaddling - did you pick up this > news > > story? > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2534113.stm > > > > To summarise, researchers found that, when babies get to around 2 > > months, parents often lay them to sleep on their fronts because > they > > sleep better. Laying babies on their back is recommended to > prevent > > cot death. So they did a study with babies lying on their backs, > > swaddled or unswaddled, and monitoring breathing, REM etc. They > found > > that the swaddled babies woke less often and less fully. > > > > I still can't picture a "specially designed cotton spandex > swaddle", > > though! > > Unfortunately, that means that they don't wake up when they *need* > to > wake up. It sounds like they need to do some population studies > looking at long term effects of swaddling (ie regarding cot > death/SIDS). > > Kat Russell > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:23:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13514 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FN1a2004789; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FN04V005178; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FME4V004865 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JbLp-0001WB-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:22:13 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arizona costumer for hire? Message-ID: <000001c29ba8$f0d46ea0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003101c29b36$b2d72a60$befc8218@hopperflop2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:22:20 -0700 Status: RO Have him try Mathew Gnagy at Desert Torch Tailoring http://www.deserttorch.com/- I'd love to do it myself, but since I have a real job that limits my time it is difficult for me to commit to a schedule. Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave >Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:45 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Arizona costumer for hire? > >Hello all! > >I have a male friend who lives just outside of Phoenix, who is looking for a >costumer to make him a men's Regency outfit. Is there anyone on the list >who is located in Arizona (he'd be willing to travel as far as Tucson for >fittings etc.) who's good with male clothing of this period? > >Please contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch! > >Thanks, > >Kendra > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13546 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:28:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FS6a2005864; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FS24V007497; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FRH4V007031 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:24 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AE9F55C10140; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:26:23 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:26:23 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Swaddling Message-ID: <004a01c29ba9$c2feec20$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021204.071904.-153497.0.Cley@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:28:13 -0600 Status: RO I confess total ignorance when it comes to babies, but isn't a certain amount of crying necessary for the healthy development of an infant's lungs? Arlys HA HA HA HA HA HA! You don't know much about babies is right. (inside joke) Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13551 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FSCa2005895; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FSC4V007610; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FRP4V007096 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JbQr-00008k-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:27:25 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt Message-ID: <000201c29ba9$aac10530$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c29b37$be95f380$01fea8c0@vaio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:27:33 -0700 Status: RO I missed the original post, but there is a wonderful book which gives great close ups of what folks are wearing in the tapestries. The Unicorn Tapestries by Adolfo Salvatore Cavallo-ISBN 0-87099-868-4. I am working on a men's outfit for my husband (who swears he won't wear it!!) I shall prevail! Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Rowena >Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:52 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt > >I'm an Internet Member of the Metropolitan Museum, and they send email on >different events. The Cloisters portion of the Met (which I have never yet >actually made it to) was included in the email on Christmas events: >http://www.metmuseum.org/now_at_the_met_cloisters.htm > There is a new section up on the Unicorn Tapestries >http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_inside.htm >This includes a section entitled What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt, and >includes some closeups and commentaries of the clothes: >http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_clothing.htm >Rowena > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13661 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWkJ008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4EC10u011177; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4EB40u010966 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB4EDlF01590.; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:13:47 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:11:00 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] O.T.Fluoride/Teeth, was Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1519 - 2 msgs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB4EB40u010966 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:10:56 +0000 Status: RO Linda Thompson wrote: >And what is squash? :D (here in the states it is considered a vegetable, >you cook and eat it ) -- I think we've been here before! To Britons, squash is a fruit concentrate which you drink diluted with water. The vegetable of that name isn't widely known here. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13665 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWuv008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4C600u009950; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4C5v0u009933 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from p15-max11.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.214.143] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JYHr-0001kp-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:05:56 +1300 Message-ID: <012401c29b8d$7c4cd7e0$8fd6adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021204083542.57776.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:05:48 +1300 Status: RO > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Apparently there is a > portrait of Anne of Cleves' sister Sybilla, the > > Electress of Saxony in the 'Blue Boudoir' at Warwick Castle. The > > 'information people' said they were not aware of any reproductions (I > > have a drawing of it, but it isn't in color) of this portrait (it is by > > Cranach, shows her standing in full "crany" dress with her son). > > While I can't get there easily before March, I went there just 3 weeks ago or > so. If you show me a drawing I may at least remember the painting, I have a > vague recollection. http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/victalb/2mill1.htm mentions this painting, doesn't say anything about the costume but I thought it might be of some help in some small way:) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13669 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:57:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWrF008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:54:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ca10u016780; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4CZf0u016715 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JYkf-0003ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:35:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEDF699.40004@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:35:37 -0500 Status: RO that is the problem...he is military and everything depends on his boat's deployment schedule. Me personally? I would chuck my job in a heartbeat and move to germany if I had a source of income, or rather france as I speak french [though i am learning to read and write in german as a side effect of helping christian with his english;-)] We are trying for march, as I miss good deep snow because connecticut is coastal and really doesn't get the type of snow I grew up with;-( and if that doesn't work out late april. margali Cassandra Greer wrote: > When in spring? The exhibit might be extended to the middle of March > > Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13673 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:57:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWpx008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:52:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4D670u023501; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:06:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3HUT1T011069 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:30:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24420 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:30:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000401c29af2$10cb0960$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <700D29BDA652D411A77400A0CC2195F56D390E@NAPOLEON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute "Fashion" book arrived!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:33:16 -0600 Status: RO My copy of "Fashion" arrived yesterday. I got my copy through Barnes and Noble website: the title there is "Evolution in Fashion" Cost is $32.00 + ship which is only $3.99 for standard ship; free if you order two or more books. Although not an essential purchase for those who own the 1980 "Evolution in Fashion" or the 1989 "Revolution in Fashion", there are beautiful pics of fashions from both those eras KCI has added to their collection since both those exibitions. Please restrain yourselves from literally drooling over the matchless color pics throughout the 700+ pages of fashions, mostly women's. Lovers of the fashions of Worth, Poiret, Fortuny, and Vionnent should be especially pleased. You will love or hate the late 20th fashion coverage, depending on what you think of this era. There is, of course, an emphasis on Japanese designers in the '80's through 2000 fashions shown, but there are some really extreme "stuff" too! I have posted a brief review on bn.com which should appear by Friday. I did omit mention in my review of the capsule "bibs" of designers and houses, a terminology mini dictionary and the bibliography at the end of the book. An exhibition catalog is listed in the bibliography that apparently no library owns and isn't listed as available on the KCI website. It is entitled "Charles Frederick Worth" -- an exibition of his work done by the KCI in 2000. If anyone knows more about this catalog, let me know. Thanks, Cindy Abel brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13679 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWux008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4C110u008886; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4C0f0u008788 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JYCn-0004YQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEDEE68.9090606@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> <3DED9CA8.72AC8C6C@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:00:40 -0500 Status: RO well, i am beading a forepart - nothing too fancy, a cream fabric with a very square geometric an dlittle clusters of dots that were just begging to be beaded. i am using topaz colored beads so i can wear it with my favorite topaz earrings under a black outer bodice and skirt. I hope it will be done in time ;-( Also, again off topic, anybody have any info on how christian can make a call to me from germany? i think the us prefix is '1', but does he dial just the '1' or is there a code to get an out of the country line to use? margali, warm in ct - i have a woodstove;-) Sue Clemenger wrote: I'm making a fitted gown for an upcoming competition, learning > tablet-weaving, and planning on getting around to making some garments > inspired by the ones in the Mannesse Codex (for next summer's tourney > season). What's everyone else doing? > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13683 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FqSgE005010; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Bg10u004449; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Bfv0u004400 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:41:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.87]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H6LF5Q00.A3I for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:41:50 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by bwmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2a 56/2456008); 04 Dec 2002 21:41:45 Message-ID: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Teeth Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:43:27 -0800 Status: RO Serendipitously, given the recent discussion of teeth, I just came across this: "To cleanse and make them white (ie teeth). Take the root of mallows and rub thy teeth and thy gums therewith. And after that take a rough cloth and rub thy thy teeth therewith. If thou washest thy mouth with water or with wine that titemall, that is spurge, is seethed in, the teeth shall never fall. Knotgrass kneaded and laid to the teeth is a good medicine" >From MS 136 of the Literary Society of London. I think the efficacy of these suggestions would depend very much on the properties of the herbs involved. Rubbing your teeth, especially with an alkaline substance (if mallow is that) would probably help against against plaque, but wouldn't do much for calcified buildups. So a little more on track, what sort of fabric would one use for a tooth cloth? I'd be inclined to say linen because rough wool would seem a bit fuzzy to put in your mouth. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13687 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FqSfs005010; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Bv10u008087; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Bui0u007986 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:56:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JY8x-0001lJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:56:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEDED73.4080702@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 06:56:35 -0500 Status: RO You might give it a try again, Gunthar cracked down on people. Now, you will get reffered to speciific web pages, stefan's floregelium or cariadocs miscellaney, and people will reply with information in list. Still can be heavy volume. I get it at work so I have something to take my mind off the darker aspects of my job. margali STRAIGHT wrote: > <<<< the serious oldtimers from the list! > margali>>>>> > > Oh, I remember you from there. I got off it too, partly because of the > volume, but more because every time anybody said anything the only responses > were "replied to privately" or "refer to the Florilegeum". It was like no > conversation or information was allowed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 10:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13691 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FqSgO005010; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB49H00u003332; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB49GD0u003105 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id C00001E2573; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:16:10 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021204091610.C00001E2573@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:16:10 GMT Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > --- Saragrace Knauf saragrace@earthlink.net> > wrote: > Apparently there is a > portrait of Anne of Cleves' sister Sybilla, the > > Electress of Saxony in the 'Blue Boudoir' at Warwick Castle. > While I can't get there easily before March, I went there just 3 weeks ago > or so. Me too: same weekend as the medieval market. I did visit the Blue Boudoir, but it not being my period, I didn't take much notice :( From what I remember of layout, the average visitor couldn't get near any pictures, a photo would need special arrangements to get beyond barriers If I can find my visitors guide, I'll see if there's a picture of the Boudoir at least. But that's two "if"s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13704 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWvL008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4BA00u027142; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com ([144.135.24.138]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4B9P0u027031 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:09:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.87]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H6LDNJ00.2H1 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:09:19 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by bwmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2a 56/2413823); 04 Dec 2002 21:09:14 Message-ID: <3DEED1D0.A92622E6@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fur and dagging References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:10:56 -0800 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > I'd want to look at a survey of the earliest examples of dagging > > before coming to any certain conclusions, but my impression has been > > that _lined_ dags (whether appearing to be fabric-lined or fur-lined) > > are relatively rare, and that the default is done in plain unlined > > cloth. ... > > Everything Heather said in her post makes sense to me. I think someone > would have to do a systematic comparison of representations of dags in art > as well as in artifacts (with an eye to whether linings may have > disintegrated) before getting much of an idea as to what came first. I > personally would be interested in seeing the sequence of shapes of dags as > well. > I don't know about chronological sequence, but I was looking at dags recently for my new houppelande sleeves. Specifically I was looking for dags on lined but not furlined sleeves. Alas, for my intended purpose I found essentially two kinds: furlined sleeves had very simple dags that were essentially parallel slits in the edge of the sleeve; complicated dags seemed to occur on only unlined fabric. I think I managed to find one instance of a sleeve that didn't seem to be lined with fur and I don't think that had very complex dagging. Admittedly, it wasn't a very exhaustive survey. I assumed at the time that the motives behind this were simply the difficulty in dealing with small complex shapes and a lining, a difficulty I can now well attest to, having decided that despite the evidence I would go ahead and make oakleaf dags in my velvet lined with fine silk sleeves. Sooooo much easier to just cut out the shapes and assume the fulling of the fabric would keep them from fraying.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13708 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FqSgI005010; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4B910u026926; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (mta4-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4B8C0u026700 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.16.179]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204110811.HCLQ29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:08:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7C5A6853-0780-11D7-AB05-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Nicole,your wig guy.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:04:05 +0000 Status: RO Nicole, Your wig guy is here in the UK isn't he?I tried to track down the archives on the H-List but couldn't find your post with the fellows details.Would you mind passing them on to me. Thanks, Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13712 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4FeWvN008880; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Av10u024257; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (mta4-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Au80u024072 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.16.179]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204105606.GYOC29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:51:50 +0000 Status: RO Thats really lovely Kendra and well done! The striped satin silk is a coup! Like Sue,I want to know where you got it - have been looking for something similar for pajama trews myself for months. Congratulations. Marcus. On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 06:17 am, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I've finally finished my current project, which is based on the 1874-77 > afternoon dress from _Patterns of Fashions_. I used the skirt pattern > from > that dress, and changed the bodice from an afternoon to a reception > style. > I did have some train trauma, so I'll be reworking the skirt! > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/bustle.html > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:00:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13716 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Fs2a2012851; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Fs14V021426; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Fqx4V020884 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-2-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.2.101] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Jbpa-000640-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:52:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:56:51 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im age14.shtml from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in deploring this... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13759 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4G69a2014429; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4G644V027984; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4G5o4V027786 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:05:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-2-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.2.101] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Jc21-0004YB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c29baf$8e503b40$650224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Huge Costume pictures LOTR & TTT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:09:42 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I should mention that there are a *lot* of huge pictures at the http://www.warofthering.net/ site, not just Arwen, for people interested in the costume content. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13771 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:13:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GA3a2014776; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GA24V000359; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail4.kc.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4G9S4V029833 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis ([65.26.140.179]) by mail4.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:05:00 -0600 From: "Talia" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:12:55 -0600 Status: RO Well, considering that it's supposed to represent fantasy clothing, who can say what the "correct underpinnings" should be? Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:57 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings Hi all, There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im age14.shtml from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in deploring this... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13775 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:14:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GABcs014825; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4G064V024688; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4FxT4V024388 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:59:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204155928.12144.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:59:28 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:59:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > age14.shtml What a lovely picture! > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > deploring this... That was a joke, wasn't it? I love that dress :-) Oh isn't fantasy wonderful. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13794 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GE2a2015422; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GE14V002502; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GDS4V002241 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08686 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:00 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings In-Reply-To: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:00 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > age14.shtml > > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > deploring this... The bra doesn't seem to be well-matched to the gown, either. Is it just me, or is that dress lopsided on her bust? Her face is exquisite. The poor fit of the dress actually detracts from it in this photo. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13840 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GR2a2016800; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPQ4V009022; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GOm4V008569 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120416244300100qoj9de>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:24:43 +0000 Message-ID: <013201c29bb2$20bf3100$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: "h-costume" References: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:28:00 -0600 Status: RO That is not a bra strap silly. :) That is the underdress. You can see that there are three layers to this dress. Two blue, one cream. The thing you are seeing is the top of the last layer. :) It is a loose dress, made to flow as she walks from what I can see. The looser the better the flow if I remember from my drama days. Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings > Hi all, > > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > age14.shtml > > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > deploring this... > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13844 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GK2a2015987; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GK14V005911; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GJc4V005625 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:19:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JbZV-0003cn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:36:21 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <000301c29baa$eaa71800$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Cass's Swiss Costume?-Was:I don't know what to head this Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:36:29 -0700 Status: RO I missed the original post. Could someone repost Cass's link? I assumed it was Kass McGann, but I think not? Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke >Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:11 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] I dont' know what to head this > > >Hello all -- > >On a total tangent here -- I discovered something when looking at the >wonderful Swiss page Cass posted. When I looked at the picture of the >beautiful gowns, I noticed for the first time how much this style emphasizes >the curve at the small of the woman's back, which Robin Netherton has so >often reminded us is apparently very attractive to gentlemen. I guess I >haven't seen too many of these gowns in person or from the right angle -- >let's face it, in films and on stage, the bust or the entire front view is >usually emphasized. But here you can see what a lovely curved shape these >gowns have in the back. Just a random thought -- > >Gail finke > > >> She gave me the website of the guy (Johannes Pietsch) who helped restore the >> pieces on display for this exhibit (and who would be teaching that class to >> make the men's lederkoller). I went to his site and he actually has the >> pattern for the one men's slit jacket pictured on my website. >> >> http://www.kostuemforschung.de/1207.html >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13853 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GSEa2016952; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GS24V010469; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPs4V009217 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-2-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.2.101] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JcLR-0005M2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:25:53 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c29bb2$5c64f780$650224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021204155928.12144.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:29:47 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Nicole wrote, re my deploring Arwen's visible brastrap > That was a joke, wasn't it? Yes:-) > I love that dress :-) Oh isn't fantasy wonderful. Yes, both dress and fantasy are wonderful; I have some reservations about providing Arwen with Glorfindel's part, though. I've known gerbils more menacing than Liv Tyler... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:37:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13860 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:37:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GV2a2017339; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GV14V012190; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GU64V011656 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.30]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6L00ILOSI0XZ@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GU2J26624 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings In-reply-to: X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:28:28 -0500 Status: RO I'd say the dress neckline was not quite properly fitted or backed. So the bra strap is peaking out and the dress looks lopsided. Sometimes this happens if the wearer was fitted standing straight and then posed slightly slumped. But I doubt this is the case here. I do like the different textures on the outfit. They are rich but still delicate. Linda K-S At 10:22 AM -0600 12/4/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > >> There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: >> >> http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im >> age14.shtml >> >> from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in >> deploring this... > >The bra doesn't seem to be well-matched to the gown, either. Is it just >me, or is that dress lopsided on her bust? > >Her face is exquisite. The poor fit of the dress actually detracts from it >in this photo. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13882 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:40:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ge4a2018296; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ge14V017392; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Gdr4V017253 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.176.125ffeb4 (4206) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:39:42 EST Status: RO --part1_176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 10:28:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > I am working on a men's outfit for my husband (who swears he won't wear > it!!) I shall prevail! > > I think the key is making sure he has a good event to which to wear it! I slaved for hours over my husband's chintz morning gown and waistcoat, and couldn't understand why he wasn't all that enthusiastic. My boss remarked, "Does the term effiminate come to mind?" But I, along with the milliners at Colonial Williamsburg, have adopted the saying, "Real men wear chintz." And now my husband has willingly worn the gown to several events. Ann Wass --part1_176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 10:28:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes:


I am working on a men's outfit for my husband (who swears he won't wear
it!!)  I shall prevail!



I think the key is making sure he has a good event to which to wear it!  I slaved for hours over my husband's chintz morning gown and waistcoat, and couldn't understand why he wasn't all that enthusiastic.  My boss remarked, "Does the term effiminate come to mind?"  But I, along with the milliners at Colonial Williamsburg, have adopted the saying, "Real men wear chintz."  And now my husband has willingly worn the gown to several events.
Ann Wass --part1_176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13903 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Gj7a2018808; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Gj44V020175; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GiS4V019657 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-100-176.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.100.176]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANT99393; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:44:17 GMT Message-ID: <009101c29bb5$0fb06700$b0644ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:49:05 -0000 Status: RO >So a little more on track, what sort of fabric would one use for a tooth cloth? I'd be inclined to say linen because rough wool would seem a bit fuzzy to put in your mouth. Linen was refered to in the Babbees book Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13932 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:51:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GpEa2019466; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GpE4V023686; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4GoV4V023167 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB4GYXD05403 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:34:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEE326B.E0F641CE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:50:51 -0700 Status: RO My guess is, since the gown neckline is so wide (nearly off her shoulders), that the "bra strap", which looks to be flesh-toned, is probably part of the underpinnings or interior construction of the gown bodice. The dress is lovely, but the neckline doesn't seem to fit her quite right--almost as if it's a little too big/wide, or perhaps the metallic trim (yum, for fantasy purposes! ) is too stiff? Nice to know, though, that even very lovely people in lovely outfits can have moments of gaposis! Somehow reassuring..... --Sue, who'd *love* to look that nice, in an ill-fitting gown or not! ;-) Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > > > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > > age14.shtml > > > > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > > deploring this... > > The bra doesn't seem to be well-matched to the gown, either. Is it just > me, or is that dress lopsided on her bust? > > Her face is exquisite. The poor fit of the dress actually detracts from it > in this photo. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 11:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13937 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:51:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Gp2a2019444; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Gp14V023517; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Go24V022972 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Jcin-0006Tx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:50:01 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? Message-ID: <000001c29bb5$353f4540$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29B7A.88E1F3E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021204083542.57776.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:50:09 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29B7A.88E1F3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The portrait of interest is the one on the left. Of course I have no idea if this is what it really looks like, but.. The more I try to pursue artwork from secondary sources the more frustrated I get.times, responsible artists and title are often incorrect...grrrrr. Thanks for trying to help!! http://www.saragrace.net/images/MiscUploads/sybillavancleeve.gif Sg ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29B7A.88E1F3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The portrait of interest is the one on the left.  Of course I have no idea if this = is what it really looks like, but….  The more I try to pursue artwork from secondary sources the more = frustrated I get…times, responsible artists and title are often = incorrect…..grrrrr.

 

Thanks for trying to help!!

 

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Processed in 0.065692 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:40:56 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings In-Reply-To: <013201c29bb2$20bf3100$31baee0c@c59303a> Message-ID: <20021204113840.W60597-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:40:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In an interview with the costume designer, she said she'd designed the elven clothes to hang from the shoulders to the ground to give the elves a more not-of-this-world feel. This looks like an example of that aesthetic. Too bad...I think the neckline would have looked better if it had been more fitted and supportive. But check out the trim and embroidery! YUM! Drea On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chiara wrote: > That is not a bra strap silly. :) > > That is the underdress. You can see that there are three layers to this > dress. Two blue, one cream. The thing you are seeing is the top of the last > layer. :) > > It is a loose dress, made to flow as she walks from what I can see. The > looser the better the flow if I remember from my drama days. > > Sincerely, > Chiara > Ansteorra, Steppes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stevie Gamble" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings > > > > Hi all, > > > > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > > age14.shtml > > > > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > > deploring this... > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13998 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:07:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H7Ga2021643; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:07:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H7F4V005863; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:07:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H6R4V005342 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:06:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-2-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.2.101] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Jcyg-0001ZI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:06:26 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c29bb8$064d1d40$650224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:10:19 -0000 Status: RO Robin wrote: > Is it just > me, or is that dress lopsided on her bust? Yes, I think it is. I wasn't able to see the film when it came out, but I recently treated myself to the extended DVD which has some costuming coverage, and the designer spoke of wanting to give some drape around the neckline. I don't think it worked. It seems to come from a sequence in which Arwen dramatically lets her cape slip from her shoulders as she moves forward, which may have dragged the gown out of shape. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14002 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H74a2021607; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H714V005713; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4H674V005131 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.38]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6L00IEDTHKAD@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GpE028738 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:51:15 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings In-reply-to: <20021204113840.W60597-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20021204113840.W60597-100000@shell.siscom.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:49:32 -0500 Status: RO Well, it definitely hangs off the shoulder. but that spot, between the shoulder and the breast is a tough one to have stay put if there is little or no support in the underlying dresses. It may not be as visible when the actress is moving in the movie. And unlike recreation garments, theatrical garments only need to look good from farther away. Linda K-S At 11:40 AM -0500 12/4/02, Drea Leed wrote: >In an interview with the costume designer, she said she'd designed the >elven clothes to hang from the shoulders to the ground to give the elves a >more not-of-this-world feel. This looks like an example of that >aesthetic. Too bad...I think the neckline would have looked better if it >had been more fitted and supportive. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14031 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HD3a2022296; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HD14V009476; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4HCF4V008937 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1839 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2002 17:12:09 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f29b.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.228.242.155) by mail.gmx.net (mp013-rz3) with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 17:12:09 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DEDF699.40004@Spamcop.Net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:12:09 +0100 Status: RO > with his english;-)] We are trying for march, as I miss good deep > snow because connecticut is coastal and really doesn't get the > type of snow I grew up with;-( and if that doesn't work out late > april. Hmm well, you are most likely not going to find good deep snow here! unless you go skiing and depending on the winter (it has only snowed once here - beginning of Nov and none of it stayed) I'm not sure what' going on in the mountains right now but none of my friends have gone skiing yet... Anyway even if the exhibit is over you could probably make an appointment with Birgitt to have her show you things :) Tja... Cass :) > > Cassandra Greer wrote: > >> When in spring? The exhibit might be extended to the middle of March >> >> Cass :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14035 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HDFa2022333; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HDE4V009643; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4HCk4V009262 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12763 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2002 17:12:39 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f29b.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.228.242.155) by mail.gmx.net (mp014-rz3) with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 17:12:39 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cass's Swiss Costume?-Was:I don't know what to head this From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c29baa$eaa71800$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:12:38 +0100 Status: RO Uhm, Gail replied to my post (I'm a Cass...) but I'm not sure what gowns she is refering to since my link is to several pictures - of doublets (which are Dutch/German). Cass :) > I missed the original post. Could someone repost Cass's link? I > assumed it was Kass McGann, but I think not? > > Sg > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke >> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:11 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] I dont' know what to head this >> >> >> Hello all -- >> >> On a total tangent here -- I discovered something when looking at the >> wonderful Swiss page Cass posted. When I looked at the picture of the >> beautiful gowns, I noticed for the first time how much this style > emphasizes >> the curve at the small of the woman's back, which Robin Netherton has > so >> often reminded us is apparently very attractive to gentlemen. I guess I >> haven't seen too many of these gowns in person or from the right angle > -- >> let's face it, in films and on stage, the bust or the entire front view > is >> usually emphasized. But here you can see what a lovely curved shape > these >> gowns have in the back. Just a random thought -- >> >> Gail finke >> >> >>> She gave me the website of the guy (Johannes Pietsch) who helped > restore the >>> pieces on display for this exhibit (and who would be teaching that > class to >>> make the men's lederkoller). I went to his site and he actually has > the >>> pattern for the one men's slit jacket pictured on my website. >>> >>> http://www.kostuemforschung.de/1207.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14054 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HI2a2022822; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HI14V012711; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HHf4V012460 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:17:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.64.2921ae4a (3996) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:17:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <64.2921ae4a.2b1f92ae@aol.com> Subject: Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_64.2921ae4a.2b1f92ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:17:34 EST Status: RO --part1_64.2921ae4a.2b1f92ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/2002 12:13:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > But that's exactly the point of theatre/tv it shouldn't be a slave to > historical correctness as that is not it's purpose. To begin with, it's NOT the point of thetre/tv to be wrong. If the change in period has a purpose or somehow enhances the concept, then so be it. But if it's wrong just because someone doesn't like a high waisted gown, then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's Dracula"....it's just bad costuming for no reason whatsoever. All those designs could have existed in their proper period and form and not only have been lovely but also correct. This is the exact comment made about the show we're talking about now [which I haven't seen, BTW]. Changing things for no reason is just bad costuming. Especially if they flash the date in 10' tall numbers on the screen or the characters refer to historical events. I'm no nut for historical accuracy, as you all should know by now. But just plain ignoring the period is not my cup of tea either. Lavish displays of cluelessness are just embarrassing! --part1_64.2921ae4a.2b1f92ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/2002 12:13:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes:


But that's exactly the point of theatre/tv it shouldn't be a slave to historical correctness as that is not it's purpose.


To begin with, it's NOT the point of thetre/tv to be wrong.

If the change in period has a purpose or somehow enhances the concept, then so be it. But if it's wrong just because someone doesn't like a high waisted gown, then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's Dracula"....it's just bad costuming for no reason whatsoever. All those designs could have existed in their proper period and form and not only have been lovely but also correct. This is the exact comment made about the show we're talking about now [which I haven't seen, BTW]. Changing things for no reason is just bad costuming. Especially if they flash the date in 10' tall numbers on the screen or the characters refer to historical events.

I'm no nut for historical accuracy, as you all should know by now. But just plain ignoring the period is not my cup of tea either. Lavish displays of cluelessness are just embarrassing! --part1_64.2921ae4a.2b1f92ae_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14069 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:21:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HL2a2023155; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HL04V014940; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HKL4V014483 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JdC8-0007Wy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:20:20 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cass's Swiss Costume?-Was:I don't know what to headthis Message-ID: <000201c29bb9$719ec200$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:20:29 -0700 Status: RO I'd like to see them all! Can you repost your link? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:23:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14081 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:23:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HN3a2023389; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HN14V016227; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HME4V015747 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4H64i08560 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JcyJ-0005Q5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:06:03 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <000e01c29bb7$72609d50$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001f01c29baf$8e503b40$650224d9@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] How do they do those long feet:wasHuge Costume pictures LOTR & TTT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:06:11 -0700 Status: RO http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/imag e9.shtml How do you suppose they do those feet? Do you think they just make up the feet for special shots or does the actor have to wear them all the time 'just in case' the feet get in the picture. I would be falling all over myself. Waaaaa-I want to work on costumes for a living!! In my other voice "No I don't, making costumes for people is a thankless job.......You have to make all sorts of mundane crap along with the fun stuff......" I hate Los Angeles and most actors... Schizo Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14120 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HQ3a2023675; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HQ24V018178; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4HPb4V017896 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4639 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2002 17:25:30 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f29b.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.228.242.155) by mail.gmx.net (mp018-rz3) with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 17:25:30 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c29bb9$719ec200$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Cass's scans from Bay Nat Mus Catalog Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:25:29 +0100 Status: RO Here it is again http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum4.html So far I have arranged for 10 books to be sent Cass :) > I'd like to see them all! Can you repost your link? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14163 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ha5a2024770; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ha2pg024440; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HZApg023922 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB4HbuF13351.; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:37:56 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:35:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do they do those long feet:wasHuge Costume pictures LOTR & TTT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB4HZApg023922 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:34:40 +0000 Status: RO Saragrace wrote: > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/image9.shtml >How do you suppose they do those feet? Do you think they just make up >the feet for special shots or does the actor have to wear them all the >time 'just in case' the feet get in the picture. I would be falling all >over myself. I've read that the actors had to have many pairs of prosthetic feet. In my opinion, the hobbits' feet aren't hairy enough; it's supposed to be thick like head hair. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14186 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:42:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hg5a2025412; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hg2pg028067; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HfMpg027657 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.17] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id AE4122D80140; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:41:21 -0500 Message-ID: <016c01c29bbe$4cc89320$11432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> <3DED9CA8.72AC8C6C@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:55:11 -0500 Status: RO I'm in rural, hilly, southwest NYS. We're just a few miles outside the lake effect. If you look at a US climate map, you'll see a little purple circle in this area----that's me. It's colder than most of the rest of the state, and the frost free season is about 2 weeks shorter on each end. I go in and out, somehow a long time ago I tried making velvet and velour skirts to put on over the top to go outside, and liked it a lot. Um----my idea of "housedress" probably isn't most people's. I don't fit in the T shirt and jeans crowd, never did. I like fancy dresses, always have. Learned to sew before I went to kindergarten, (mumble, mumble) years ago. Never stopped. Of course, then I learned to crochet lace, and knit, and tat, and weave, and spin-------you get the idea. A lot of ---I'm trying to figure out how to put this exactly---country style historical clothes, "costumes", are very practical for life in the country. That's what they were, and they still work. Smiles, Diane S. -----it's up to 20F today! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< that you're talking about cold weather. It sounds almost like you're combining costume and non-costume elements to stay warm. Where are you, by the way? We've had a couple of weeks of nothing but sub-freezing temps and ice fogs. Ugh. Very dreary. I've been _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14190 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HhQa2025573; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HhPpg028941; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HgHpg028190 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021204174211053002q6eje>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: <008701c29bbc$79d7fbf0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> <3DEDA5D0.EAA1CF59@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:42:06 -0800 Status: RO Thanks for all the positive feedback on my dress! I found the striped satin on ebay, amazingly enough -- the seller is michelle@tennenjobs.com, who always has amazing fabric bits and pieces (most of them pretty pricey, although mine was a Buy It Now for $40 -- 2 yards, 50 or 60" wide). I think it is originally an upholstery fabric, but it worked just fine for my purposes! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:45:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14197 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HjHa2025888; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HjGpg000247; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hhtpg029275 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JdYx-0002ia-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:43:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEE3ED8.6040400@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exhibit 16th-17th century clothing Munich Catalog Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:43:52 -0500 Status: RO Well, we do intend to hit the museum no matter what.. I will be making notes about specific questions to take along;-) Christian has a freind with a wellnessfarm that we may spend some time at and he says they tend to have snowcover;-) margali Cassandra Greer wrote: >>with his english;-)] We are trying for march, as I miss good deep >>snow because connecticut is coastal and really doesn't get the >>type of snow I grew up with;-( and if that doesn't work out late >>april. >> > Hmm well, you are most likely not going to find good deep snow here! unless > you go skiing and depending on the winter (it has only snowed once here - > beginning of Nov and none of it stayed) I'm not sure what' going on in the > mountains right now but none of my friends have gone skiing yet... > > Anyway even if the exhibit is over you could probably make an appointment > with Birgitt to have her show you things :) > > Tja... > > Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:45:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14201 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:45:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hj3a2025841; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hj2pg029954; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hi8pg029352 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:44:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB4GfqD09234 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:41:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEE3422.809B673B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? References: <000001c29bb5$353f4540$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:58:10 -0700 Status: RO You know, I think I've actually seen that one in one of my costume or art books. I'll try to find it.... --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14205 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:46:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hi5a2025697; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hi4pg029364; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hh2pg028711 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <20021204174257051007v5v8e>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:42:57 +0000 Message-ID: <008e01c29bbc$94d7c200$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> <007201c29b69$088069e0$0a684ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:42:57 -0800 Status: RO Good point -- maybe I should just add a skirt lifter? Hmmm! I'll have to inspect the skirt to see how bad the damage really is (I haven't had the heart to look at it yet). - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress > Well done. I shouldn't worry about you skirt getting trodden on whilst it is > a pain, it seems to be totally unavoidable, unless you have your skirts too > high for authenticity which looks aweful. I used to be really devestated > every time it happened, but now I've got very quick to recognise the tug on > a skirt stepped & swiftly back up to avoid damage :) and really good a > repairing the damage ! > > Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14212 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hn2a2026347; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hn0pg002394; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HmPpg002037 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:48:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <200212041748190520026qque>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:48:19 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c29bbd$551fb220$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> <001501c29b6a$1112f950$8fd6adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:48:19 -0800 Status: RO Actually, cutting the darts into the stripes was pure luck! I did try to match the seams pretty carefully, although the center front/side front seam got messed up (the cream stripe there is narrower than it should have been -- I mistakenly looked at the center front opening when I went to match the edges!). - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress > Oooh, love how you cut the darts into the stripes, and I think the black > sleeves with the stripes cuffs works very well indeed in bringing the skirt > and bodice to match:) Especially as I've seen a number of bodices that have > contrasting sleeves that appear to be made from the skirt bodyfabric:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14227 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:51:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hp1a2026538; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hp1pg003610; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HoVpg003353 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip243.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.243]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB4HoQZ07230 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swaddling Message-ID: <3DEDCC78.12597.21F89480@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021204.071904.-153497.0.Cley@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:35:52 -0800 Status: RO > I confess total ignorance when it comes to babies, but isn't a certain > amount of crying necessary for the healthy development of an infant's > lungs? Yes. That may be one of the reasons why babies sometimes cry for no apparent reason that anyone can figure out. (But then they also cry when they're over-tired, over-stimulated and over-full.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14254 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:58:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hw7a2027311; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HhDpg028830; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4HgKpg028282 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GvEi03164 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JcpO-0000Rx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:56:50 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <000901c29bb6$28fcbb40$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29B7B.7C9DE340" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <176.125ffeb4.2b1f89ce@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Reluctant spouses wearing garb:was: What to Wear to a Unicorn Hunt Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:56:58 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29B7B.7C9DE340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am making this for Estrella Wars. My problem 'child' is a little more than most. He thinks dressing up at all is very stupid, has never been to an event to know otherwise, and only promised to go if it was under cover of darkness!! Thank you for the encouragement though! Sg ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29B7B.7C9DE340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am making this = for Estrella Wars.  My problem = ‘child’  is a little more than most.  = He thinks dressing up at all is very stupid, has never been to an event to know otherwise, and only promised to go if it was under cover of = darkness!!

 

Thank you for the encouragement = though!

 

Sg

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29B7B.7C9DE340-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 12:59:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14260 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hx2a2027421; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hx1pg008287; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4HwJpg007817 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCt+uoAf13zm3VMpMB3aq5EwbaaVpj0y+1A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HJ7Z7XPL; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:57:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Message-ID: <20021204.115613.-221623.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:56:12 -0600 Status: RO Wow! It looks just great! I really need an instant transporter so I can pop over and see everyone's efforts in person because I strongly suspect they look even better in the....er....fabric than they do in pics. I love how you used that stripe effect, that's brilliant. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 13:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14275 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ht3a2026965; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ht1pg005950; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Hsvpg005691 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:54:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-122-211.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.122.211]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANI78618; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:52:28 GMT Message-ID: <004e01c29bbe$e288c1a0$d37a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <001501c29b5c$c50e7230$befc8218@hopperflop2> <007201c29b69$088069e0$0a684ed5@pavilion> <008e01c29bbc$94d7c200$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:56:24 -0000 Status: RO >Good point -- maybe I should just add a skirt lifter? I have several & I've made a repro (see www.chatelaines.co.uk) but I still dosen't stop it completly unfortunatly Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 13:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14409 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IS3a2001069; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IS1pg025233; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IRKpg024830 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JeEx-0006Sl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:27:19 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Does anyone live near Warwick Castle?? Message-ID: <000401c29bc2$cd36b330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012401c29b8d$7c4cd7e0$8fd6adcb@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:27:28 -0700 Status: RO Yes, I had come across that too after looking for it on the internet-that is the site that led me to contact Warwick. I have several costume books that mention it, but no good pictures-just that outline I posted. The hunt for artwork is rather fun! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 13:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14445 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IZCa2001791; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:35:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IZ3pg029349; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4IYGpg028860 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JeLf-0000Sd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:34:15 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do they do those long feet:wasHuge Costumepictures LOTR & TTT Message-ID: <000601c29bc3$c54cade0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:34:24 -0700 Status: RO > In my opinion, the hobbits' feet aren't hairy enough; it's supposed to be thick like head hair. Yes, but it was probably too gross for your average movie goer!! SG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 13:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14563 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ik2a2002964; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ik0pg005670; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ijtpg005575 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.107.1c045234 (24895) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <107.1c045234.2b1fa758@aol.com> Subject: Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.1c045234.2b1fa758_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:45:44 EST Status: RO --part1_107.1c045234.2b1fa758_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 12:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > . But if it's wrong just because someone doesn't like a high waisted gown, > then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's Dracula"....it's just bad costuming > for no reason whatsoever Thank you! You said what was in my mind, but I could not figure out how to say it succinctly and eloquently. Ann Wass --part1_107.1c045234.2b1fa758_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 12:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


. But if it's wrong just because someone doesn't like a high waisted gown, then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's Dracula"....it's just bad costuming for no reason whatsoever


Thank you!  You said what was in my mind, but I could not figure out how to say it succinctly and eloquently.
Ann Wass --part1_107.1c045234.2b1fa758_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 13:49:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14589 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:49:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4In1a2003305; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4In0pg007507; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4ImFpg007046 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:48:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204184815.98850.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:48:15 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEE326B.E0F641CE@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > My guess is, since the gown neckline is so wide (nearly off her > shoulders), that the "bra strap", which looks to be flesh-toned, is > probably part of the underpinnings or interior construction of the gown > bodice. Yep yep yep. My guess too. The gown looks 'mounted' on an under-something, the front of the gown looks semi-stiff to me. It doesn't look like a 'bra'. > The dress is lovely, but the neckline doesn't seem to fit her quite > right--almost as if it's a little too big/wide, or perhaps the metallic > trim (yum, for fantasy purposes! ) is too stiff? I beg to differ, I actually liked the fact the neckline looked a bit 'odd', then again this gown happens to be my alltime favourite of all the elven gowns. (gosh do I HATE galadrial's white polyestery dress :-) > --Sue, who'd *love* to look that nice, in an ill-fitting gown or not! > ;-) YES!!! me too! While Miss Tyler comes over in interviews as not quite that bright in the brains department, I don't care, she is SOOOOOOOOO lovely. Nicole - le sigh, le very melodramatic longing sigh. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 14:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14666 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4J4Ll9018911; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4J4E1Z015709; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4J3L1Z015218 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:03:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204190320.24706.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:03:20 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c29bb2$5c64f780$650224d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:03:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Yes, both dress and fantasy are wonderful; I have some reservations > about providing Arwen with Glorfindel's part, though. I've known > gerbils more menacing than Liv Tyler... Yeah but that's not the point in a costume, is it? I don't like what they did with the character of Arwen, I much prefer to see goodlooking males on screen than females, and eventhough she is mightily lovely and even I drool, I would have much preferred Glorfindel too, and even worse, I heard nothing of Elrohir and Elladan! *screams* Oh how I love the elven grey-eyed twins, but nevermind, it still isn't the point here *laughs* not even that I much prefer the race of men to the race of elves, the latter are SO boring. Bah! Too perfect. ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 14:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14688 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4JC2l9019475; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4JC11Z020174; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4JBO1Z019815 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:11:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021204191124.73583.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:11:24 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nicole,your wig guy.... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <7C5A6853-0780-11D7-AB05-0003936A9570@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:11:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > Nicole, > > Your wig guy is here in the UK isn't he?I tried to track down the > archives on the H-List but couldn't find your post with the fellows > details.Would you mind passing them on to me. No problem: Derek Easton, he has a little website now with the contact details on it: http://www.derekeastonwigs.co.uk/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 16:18:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15278 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4LE4l9017943; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4LE11Z029085; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4LDg1Z028887 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.42] (as3-4-56.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.42]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB4LDe013981 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:13:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> References: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teeth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:38:14 -0800 Status: RO At 8:43 PM -0800 12/4/02, Claire Clarke wrote: >Serendipitously, given the recent discussion of teeth, I just came >across this: >"To cleanse and make them white (ie teeth). Take the root of mallows and >rub >thy teeth and thy gums therewith. And after that take a rough cloth and >rub thy >thy teeth therewith. If thou washest thy mouth with water or with wine >that >titemall, that is spurge, is seethed in, the teeth shall never fall. >Knotgrass kneaded >and laid to the teeth is a good medicine" >>From MS 136 of the Literary Society of London. > >I think the efficacy of these suggestions would depend very much on the >properties of the herbs involved. Rubbing your teeth, especially with an >alkaline >substance (if mallow is that) would probably help against against >plaque, but >wouldn't do much for calcified buildups. > >So a little more on track, what sort of fabric would one use for a tooth >cloth? >I'd be inclined to say linen because rough wool would seem a bit fuzzy >to >put in your mouth. When Giraldus Cambrensis describes 12th century Welsh tooth care, he evidently specifically mentions rubbing them with woolen cloths. ("Evidently" because all I have access to at the moment is an English translation, so I can't double-check the specific wording of the original Latin.) He also describes cleaning the teeth with hazel twigs. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 16:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15371 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Lh4l9021398; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Lh11Z015030; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4LgC1Z014520 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.123.1ac23baf (3996) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1ac23baf.2b1fd0a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.1ac23baf.2b1fd0a2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:41:54 EST Status: RO --part1_123.1ac23baf.2b1fd0a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 12:59:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: > Wow! It looks just great! I wanna see!!!!! And I deleted the original post. Would someone be so kind....... --part1_123.1ac23baf.2b1fd0a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 12:59:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes:


Wow! It looks just great!


I wanna see!!!!! And I deleted the original post. Would someone be so kind....... --part1_123.1ac23baf.2b1fd0a2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 16:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15385 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:47:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ll2l9021705; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ll11Z017531; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Lkr1Z017448 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.144] (pm5-144.eos.net [205.133.149.144]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28029 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:46:51 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] OT: British food question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:43:27 -0500 Status: RO Sorry to bother the list, but this is the only place I know to ask this question. My daughter is reading a British book and ran across a term she didn't know. Having read many British children's books myself, I am surprised to find that I don't know the answer. So here goes: what is "potted meat"? Is it like Spam, or something completely different? Private replies fine, of course. Gail Finke, Cincinnati, USA PS: And do you really not eat squash, the vegetable? We have many different kinds, from the ubiquitous zucchini squash to yellow squash (that's it's name, not a description), orange butternut squash, green acorn squash, and other more exotic kinds. And of course, pumpkins. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15454 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4M7Cl9023781; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4M7A1Z029208; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4M6H1Z028614 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:06:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C222BCD for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip138.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.138]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EDC72C626 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:18:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e901c29bd1$bda5b920$8a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021204155928.12144.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:14:23 -0500 Status: RO If you look toward the left side of the monitor, you can see what definitely looks like a bra strap. But it IS a gorgeous dress! Dianne studying that beading on the sleeves.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings > --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > > > There is a huge picture of Arwen in blue at: > > > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/im > > age14.shtml > > What a lovely picture! > > > from which you will note a bra strap. I think I speak for us all in > > deploring this... > > That was a joke, wasn't it? > I love that dress :-) Oh isn't fantasy wonderful. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15500 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MKDl9024806; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MK8K0005428; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MJdK0004974 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:19:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pageartists.com ([207.159.140.64]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MJcOr018828 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from horse (pdx-ppp258.pop1.net [209.102.127.93]) by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09633 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:19:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d801c29be4$719f28a0$a5a1fea9@horse> From: "Brenna" To: References: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:28:12 -0800 Status: RO My grand-daughter and I experimented this last summer and found that medium-grade linen works pretty well. (Wool just might work better, though. Didn't even think about it probably because of the "fuzzy" concept.) We were also using a high-alkaline powder dentifrice I make. It has a slight but dissolvable grit to it. Bear in mind that if one uses any cleanser that will counter the acid found in most foods (and acid is what eats tooth enamel) on a regular basis _and_ uses a scrubbing method (not just a liquid swished around), plaque won't build up so easily. Scrubbing with the end of a twig works surprisingly well, too. For those who've never tried it, you have to chew the end into a "paintbrush" form to make this really work. Just takes a few chomps and it's ready to use. (Don't make it too soft or it won't work as well.) And it's _disposable_ reducing the occurrence of toothbrush-as-bacterial-breeding-ground problems. The advantage to the twig method is that it gets into crevices and between teeth better than any cloth can. (Memories of sassafras twigs from childhood come to the surface. No, I had a regular toothbrush. I just like sassafras.) (Okay, so the obligatory costume content wasn't here. At least I mentioned fibers in a comparative sense. :-) (Yes, I'm being silly here...)) Going back to "lurk" mode, Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15506 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4ML1l9024901; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4ML1K0005967; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MKDK0005495 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip41.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.41]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB4MK7a13973 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teeth Message-ID: <3DEE0E2E.2494.22F94AE3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:16:14 -0800 Status: RO Heather writes: > When Giraldus Cambrensis describes 12th century Welsh tooth care, he > evidently specifically mentions rubbing them with woolen cloths. > ("Evidently" because all I have access to at the moment is an English > translation, so I can't double-check the specific wording of the > original Latin.) He also describes cleaning the teeth with hazel > twigs. Which brings us full circle back to Shakespeare in Love with Gwyneth Paltrow using a twig to clean her teeth. ;) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15526 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MO1l9025225; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MO0HW007686; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MNrHW007583 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:23:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip41.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.41]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB4MNkZ06158 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:23:47 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEE0F10.28105.22FCBF9E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:20:00 -0800 Status: RO > Sorry to bother the list, but this is the only place I know to ask > this question. My daughter is reading a British book and ran across a > term she didn't know. Having read many British children's books > myself, I am surprised to find that I don't know the answer. So here > goes: what is "potted meat"? Is it like Spam, or something completely > different? Potted meats aren't just British. We have potted meats too: deviled ham, deviled chicken, spam, and others I grab every once in a while to keep in the car for "emergency protein source." > PS: And do you really not eat squash, the vegetable? We have many > different kinds, from the ubiquitous zucchini squash to yellow squash > (that's it's name, not a description), orange butternut squash, green > acorn squash, and other more exotic kinds. And of course, pumpkins. And we have the occasional British squash such as Ribena. (Yum. My favorite, although you have to hunt to find it, usually only in specialty stores and only the concentrate.) Mostly we just call ours "juice". Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15541 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:32:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MW7l9025905; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MW6HW012241; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MVdHW011956 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:31:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.16.192]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204223114.DPRA21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:31:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Thanks for the wig link Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:27:11 +0000 Status: RO Nicole thanks for the wig fellow's link. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:41:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15580 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Mf2l9026565; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Mf1HW017682; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MeXHW017395 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204224032.GUW7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:40:32 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEE8466.10231.247B6F08@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:40:38 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Dec 2002 at 16:43, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Sorry to bother the list, but this is the only place I know to ask > this question. My daughter is reading a British book and ran across a > term she didn't know. Having read many British children's books > myself, I am surprised to find that I don't know the answer. So here > goes: what is "potted meat"? Is it like Spam, or something completely > different? A term which hasn't been in common use for a while over here, either. I believe from context that it refers to something softer than Spam: more like a meat paste, to be spread in sandwiches. Checking books, Mrs Beeton tells me nothing, but other "traditional" recipes imply that it involves cooked meat, chopped very finely and mashed with butter and spices. The result is stored in a pot, with a layer of melted butter poured over the top to seal it. > PS: And do you really not eat squash, the vegetable? We have many > different kinds, from the ubiquitous zucchini squash to yellow squash > (that's it's name, not a description), orange butternut squash, green > acorn squash, and other more exotic kinds. And of course, pumpkins. I think what you call zuchinni are what we call courgettes: and while I know they're related, I wouldn't add "squash" to the name any more than I would to that of a cucumber or a marrow. We have pumpkins. Butternut "squash", with that name, are in the "exotic" section of the supermarkets, along with other gourds. If we say "squash", we'd think first of the drink. Not a vegetable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 17:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15584 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Mf9l9026585; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Mf8HW017752; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4MeaHW017416 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204224035.GXJ7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:40:35 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEE8465.10163.247B6DDC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DEE0F10.28105.22FCBF9E@localhost> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:40:37 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Dec 2002 at 14:20, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > And we have the occasional British squash such as Ribena. (Yum. My > favorite, although you have to hunt to find it, usually only in > specialty stores and only the concentrate.) > > Mostly we just call ours "juice". Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C to convince you it's healthy. Still, it helps drown the taste of the fluoride in the tap water :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 18:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15731 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4NUBl9000326; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4NU7HW014142; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4NTlHW013948 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:29:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29490 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from 66-44-23-160.s922.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.23.160) by shada.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3DEE9014.2000303@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings References: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> <013201c29bb2$20bf3100$31baee0c@c59303a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:30:28 -0500 Status: RO chiara wrote: > That is not a bra strap silly. :) > > That is the underdress. You can see that there are three layers to this > dress. Two blue, one cream. The thing you are seeing is the top of the last > layer. :) Actually, it is a bra strap. We thought for a while it might have been tape - but it's not. And the dress is actually steel grey (they do a lot of color tweaking). She has three dresses that are this same 2 layered style, with variations on the sleeves; and another 2 that are very similar but only single layer. This is apparently her "Human" style of clothing as opposed to her Elvish styles. BTW, Stevie, you didn't see it in the movie because it's not a dress from FotR, it's briefly in the new one. There have been a few pics of it around including the one where she's dropping her cape. -Judy Mitchell http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 18:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15771 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:42:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Nh2l9001141; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Nh1HW021084; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4NgvHW021049 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:42:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29986 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from 66-44-23-160.s922.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.23.160) by shada.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:33:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3DEE932C.3070101@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do they do those long feet:wasHuge Costume pictures LOTR & TTT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:43:40 -0500 Status: RO The hobbit feet are all prosthetic slipons that are glued to them - took about an hour and a half each day. Each pair was nly good for maybe 3 wears at most and then needed replacing. Ian Holm (Bilbo) hated his and insisted they were longer than the others - called them "boats". They wore them all the time "just in case", although often they weren't shot. Sean Astin apparently kept a record of how many times they had them put on and weren't seen (50 some odd) and ragged at the directors about it! They kept begging not to have to wear the feet. The current issue of Spin Off magazine has an article on the hobbit feet and which particular breed of wool that was used for the hair. I agree, they weren't hairy enough for Tolkien's description. Kate M Bunting wrote: > Saragrace wrote: > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/image9.shtml > >>How do you suppose they do those feet? Do you think they just make up >>the feet for special shots or does the actor have to wear them all the >>time 'just in case' the feet get in the picture. I would be falling all >>over myself. > > > I've read that the actors had to have many pairs of prosthetic feet. In my opinion, the hobbits' feet aren't hairy enough; it's supposed to be thick like head hair. -Judy Mitchell http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 18:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15835 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:54:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Nt2l9001975; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4Nt1HW027229; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB4NsUHW026877 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:54:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id gB4NsMU02884 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DEE9596.82702D72@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3DEE8466.10231.247B6F08@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:54:00 -0500 Status: RO I'm confused ..I thought a British 'marrow' was the same as American 'zuchinni'. Kate > I think what you call zuchinni are what we call > courgettes: and while I know they're related, I > wouldn't add "squash" to the name any more than I > would to that of a cucumber or a marrow. We have > pumpkins. Butternut "squash", with that name, are in > the "exotic" section of the supermarkets, along with > other gourds. > > If we say "squash", we'd think first of the drink. Not a > vegetable. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 20:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16153 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:14:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51E5l9006603; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51E1HW000497; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51DmHW000403 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from valadan (c17417.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.162.24]) by mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB51DgL26232 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:13:42 +1100 Message-ID: <013e01c29bfb$7618f980$18a231d2@valadan> From: "Baralier" To: References: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3DEE8466.10231.247B6F08@localhost> <3DEE9596.82702D72@mccc.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:12:15 +1100 Status: RO > > I think what you call zuchinni are what we call > > courgettes: and while I know they're related, I > > wouldn't add "squash" to the name any more than I > > would to that of a cucumber or a marrow. We have > > pumpkins. Butternut "squash", with that name, are in > > the "exotic" section of the supermarkets, along with > > other gourds. > > > > If we say "squash", we'd think first of the drink. Not a > > vegetable. > > I'm confused ..I thought a British 'marrow' was the same as American > 'zuchinni'. It is. As is courgette. It's not uncommon to have one or two names for the same thing. Usually they're regional names. It's more confusing when you get the same word meaning different things (like jelly or lemonade). http://english2american.com/ Though I do remember going into a bakers in Balham and asking for a 1/2 dozen doughnuts. The girl had no idea what a dozen was. I wasn't even going to start on the concept of a baker's dozen! Paul -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 20:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16174 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:22:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51N2l9006965; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51N1HW003630; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51MYHW003468 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:22:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from p757-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.249] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Jkik-0003as-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:22:31 +1300 Message-ID: <00c501c29bfc$c5249c90$f9c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <107.1c045234.2b1fa758@aol.com> Subject: Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C29C69.BB49A4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:22:24 +1300 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C29C69.BB49A4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <<. But if it's wrong just because someone doesn't like a high waisted = gown, then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's Dracula"....it's just bad = costuming for no reason whatsoever>> <> No it's not eloquent, it's just negative. The costuming for BSD is = amazing (whether you like it or not is a different matter), just not = historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes from 1897 they'd = look really out of place in the extremely theatrical totally unrealistic = set and story. It's about a vampire for goodness sake. A vampire that = can change shape and control the weather.. not exactly a biopic about a = real person. In this instance historical correctness would clash = horribly. Just like for Moulin Rouge. With all the high artifice of set, = peaople bursting into songs from the end of the 20thC and zippy camera = work fashions of 1900 would look totally wrong.=20 In those cases you'd need to change all other aspects to fit the = costuming, and that's not how it should be. In the case of dramas like Age of Innocence, Anna Karenina, Portrait of = a Lady, Pride and Prejudice which were all fairly naturalistic yes, = costuming needs to reflect that. Fantastical costumes for those films = would have been totally wrong. Unless they decided to play with the = original book say and turn it into high melodrama or transported then to = another time and place for other purposes. The costuming for JoaT wasn't done featuring later 18thC costumes rather = than early 1800s because the designer "doesn't like a high waisted = gown", as I mentioned Josephine *did* have an empire line dress.=20 And yes this series was also high camp. It wasn't supposed to be real or = have people take it seriously.=20 There are far more things in designing for theatre/film than history. = You need to be able to very easily and without much explanation get = across ideas to the audience, most of which have absolutely no clue = about costumes! And if you choose to 'teach' you'd need to take time out = from the story to explain things and frankly you'd lose your audience. michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C29C69.BB49A4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<. But if it's wrong just because someone = doesn't like=20 a high waisted gown, then pooey on it. Like "Bram Stoker's = Dracula"....it's just=20 bad costuming for no reason whatsoever>>

<<Thank you!  You said what was in = my mind,=20 but I could not figure out how to say it succinctly and = eloquently.
Ann=20 Wass >>
 
No it's not eloquent, it's just = negative. The=20 costuming for BSD is amazing (whether you like it or not is a different = matter),=20 just not historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes from = 1897 they'd=20 look really out of place in the extremely theatrical totally unrealistic = set and=20 story. It's about a vampire for goodness sake. A vampire that can change = shape=20 and control the weather.. not exactly a biopic about a real = person. In this=20 instance historical correctness would clash horribly. Just like for = Moulin=20 Rouge. With all the high artifice of set, peaople bursting into songs = from the=20 end of the 20thC and zippy camera work fashions of 1900 would look = totally=20 wrong.
 
In those cases you'd need to change all = other=20 aspects to fit the costuming, and that's not how it should = be.
 
In the case of dramas like Age of = Innocence, Anna=20 Karenina, Portrait of a Lady, Pride and Prejudice which were all fairly=20 naturalistic yes, costuming needs to reflect that. Fantastical costumes = for=20 those films would have been totally wrong. Unless they decided to play = with the=20 original book say and turn it into high melodrama or transported then to = another=20 time and place for other purposes.
 
 
The costuming for JoaT wasn't done = featuring later=20 18thC costumes rather than early 1800s because the designer "doesn't = like a high=20 waisted gown", as I mentioned Josephine *did* have an empire line dress. =
 
And yes this series was also high camp. = It wasn't=20 supposed to be real or have people take it seriously.
 
There are far more things in designing = for=20 theatre/film than history. You need to be able to very easily and = without much=20 explanation get across ideas to the audience, most of which have = absolutely no=20 clue about costumes! And if you choose to 'teach' you'd need to take = time out=20 from the story to explain things and frankly you'd lose your=20 audience.
 
michaela
http://homepages.ihug.co.n= z/~thebruce
http://recital.tripod.com/cost= ume
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C29C69.BB49A4A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 20:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16198 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51V2l9007350; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51V1HW006474; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB51UNHW006241 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:30:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from p757-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.249] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JkqL-00023T-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:30:22 +1300 Message-ID: <00cd01c29bfd$e23d3b10$f9c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3DEE326B.E0F641CE@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:30:23 +1300 Status: RO > My guess is, since the gown neckline is so wide (nearly off her > shoulders), that the "bra strap", which looks to be flesh-toned, is > probably part of the underpinnings or interior construction of the gown > bodice. I'd agree. Most of the costumes we wore in Xena were able to be worn over normal underwear but for those that weren't they had internal structures usually made of flesh coloured lycra. They were usually sewn in. I mention this as a lot of wardrobe personnel from those shows went to LotR as the shows ended. > The dress is lovely, but the neckline doesn't seem to fit her quite > right--almost as if it's a little too big/wide, or perhaps the metallic > trim (yum, for fantasy purposes! ) is too stiff? I have a suspicion that it's her posture that is ruining the line. Others have mentioned she dropped a cloak in this scene, and she looked stunned and her shoulders look slightly hunched (the steep line of the angle of her collar bones as well as the roundness of her shoulders). It reminds me of an article on how to photograph dolls. One photo with the doll slightly hunched wound up looking extremely lopsided, dress and doll. I have a feeling that is what's going on in here, as well as the inner blue layer shifting under the outer. Probably because the velvet pile caused the fabric to creep. And of course such a wide neckline on a loose dress is going to be difficult to control unless you use body tape on the inside;) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 21:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16340 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:10:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52B7l9009295; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52B1HW019388; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52AAHW019091 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA14345 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212050232.SAA14345@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:32:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Kendra Van Cleave" > > Good point -- maybe I should just add a skirt lifter? Hmmm! I'll have to > inspect the skirt to see how bad the damage really is (I haven't had the > heart to look at it yet). If you're going to wear it at Gaskell Ball, it _will_ get stepped on. My 1895 Worth reproduction gown isn't bustled, but it does have a short train. Since it was my wedding dress, I couldn't bring myself to leave the train off. However, I _did_ make sure I could bustle the train up to just below ankle height to avoid getting it stepped on. Over the years, I've seen too many people with flounced skirts on eliptical hoops and bustle skirts get shredded at that ball. I actually got a pretty serious sprain one time because someone's long skirt flounce had come detached and was trailing behind her on the floor during a polka. I ended up with her skirt flounce wrapped around my ankle and took a hard spill. There's just no way to dance on a crowded floor with trailing skirts without someone taking damage. Add to that, there are a lot of dancers at Gaskels who haven't learned floorcraft yet, and it can easily become a disaster. One of my partners remarked during a polka there, "It's hard to look flirtatiously into your eyes when we're trying not to get killed!" Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 21:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16472 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52g2l9010820; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52g0HW029699; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB52fnHW029624 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Okr+qya5M+ayXvjivBQOlso="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HJ8X5EF3; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:40:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <20021204.184214.-211469.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:52:28 +0000 Status: RO Jane wrote: > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > to convince you it's healthy. Ah! We call that Kool Aid here across the pond. 8) Arlys ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 21:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16483 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52m2l9011159; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52m1HW001812; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB52lRHW001660 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:47:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip43.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.43]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB52lLa10113 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEE4CBC.11181.23EDAEF3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DEE8465.10163.247B6DDC@localhost> References: <3DEE0F10.28105.22FCBF9E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:43:08 -0800 Status: RO > > And we have the occasional British squash such as Ribena. (Yum. My > > favorite, although you have to hunt to find it, usually only in > > specialty stores and only the concentrate.) > > > > Mostly we just call ours "juice". > > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > to convince you it's healthy. Well, those are called "juice drinks" too. (Things like Tang, for instance are still considered juice even though it is exactly what you are labeling "squash.") > Still, it helps drown the taste of the fluoride in the tap > water :) I think you are thinking of Chlorine. Fluoride in drinking water has no taste. But Chlorine definitely does. It is what makes most city water taste so gross and is put there to cut down on water contaminants of the viral/bacterial types. In fact, they generally decide how much to put in by looking at the "coloform" count of the pre-Chlorined water. If it has a lot of "coloforms" better known as bacteria, specifically E. coli which all non-chlorinated water has, then they put in more Chlorine. That's why sometimes the water tastes worse than other times. (Sometimes it's almost as bad as poolwater, which has Chlorine for the same reason but needs more since it is not running water.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 22:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16535 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5323l9011752; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5321HW006585; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB531IHW006309 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1a5.d100f92 (4214) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.d100f92.2b201b67@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a5.d100f92.2b201b67_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] Re: JoAT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:00:55 EST Status: RO --part1_1a5.d100f92.2b201b67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > The costuming for BSD is amazing (whether you like it or not is a different > matter), just not historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes > from 1897 they'd look really out of place in the extremely theatrical > totally unrealistic set and story. It's about a vampire for goodness sake. > A vampire that can change shape and control the weather.. not exactly a > biopic about a real person. This discussion has probably gone far enough, but, just for the record, I wasn't agreeing to the specific comment's on Bram Stoker's Dracula, as I haven't seen it. And I know that people put Shakespeare in different periods, or no real period at all, quite often. I've worked on shows like that, and also on ones that start with the basic idea and silhouette of the period but go off on flights of fancy. Given all of your arguments, how do you explain Adrian's "Pride and Prejudice?" The story I have read is that he had just done a film set in the early 1800s and wanted to do something different. So that was just caprice on his part, it seems. >And yes this series was also high camp. It wasn't supposed to be real or have people take it seriously. Perhaps part of my problem is that I see high camp descending into plain silliness and I lose interest. I know theater isn't about re-creating exact historical reality. None of us can do that. And now I promise I, for one, will drop this thread and get on with my sewing. Ann Wass --part1_1a5.d100f92.2b201b67_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes:


The costuming for BSD is amazing (whether you like it or not is a different matter), just not historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes from 1897 they'd look really out of place in the extremely theatrical totally unrealistic set and story. It's about a vampire for goodness sake. A vampire that can change shape and control the weather.. not exactly a biopic about a real person.


This discussion has probably gone far enough, but, just for the record, I wasn't agreeing to the specific comment's on Bram Stoker's Dracula, as I haven't seen it.
And I know that people put Shakespeare in different periods, or no real period at all, quite often.  I've worked on shows like that, and also on ones that start with the basic idea and silhouette of the period but go off on flights of fancy. 

Given all of your arguments, how do you explain Adrian's "Pride and Prejudice?"  The story I have read is that he had just done a film set in the early 1800s and wanted to do something different.  So that was just caprice on his part, it seems.

>And yes this series was also high camp. It wasn't supposed to be real or have people take it seriously.
Perhaps part of my problem is that I see high camp descending into plain silliness and I lose interest.

I know theater isn't about re-creating exact historical reality.  None of us can do that.

And now I promise I, for one, will drop this thread and get on with my sewing.
Ann Wass   





--part1_1a5.d100f92.2b201b67_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 22:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16617 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB53V3l9013302; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB53V1HW015430; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB53UcHW015243 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.36.32f2e28e (30970) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <36.32f2e28e.2b202255@aol.com> Subject: Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Janice Ryan sacque gown pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.32f2e28e.2b202255_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:30:29 EST Status: RO --part1_36.32f2e28e.2b202255_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > The costuming for BSD is amazing (whether you like it or not is a different > matter), just not historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes > from 1897 they'd look really out of place in the extremely theatrical > totally unrealistic set and story. Nonsense. They are lovely gowns and...er.... things...but the designer gets a D-. You seem to not care that they flash a specific date on the screen then ignore it. You also seem to not realize that the title of the film is "BRAM STOKER'S Dracula", not "let's make it up Dracula". Costuming does not exist in a vacuum. It was the concept of the film to be true to the book [then they go and do the very 1st scene....that isn't anywhere in the book] The whole film is a disaster on every level. The Japanese designer has a wonderful sense of style but obviously doesn't begin to get western clothes of the 19th century. The men's things are all over the place and awful, even if the women's stuff is opulent. Opulence cannot disguise hubris....which is what that whole film is about. And boy did it goeth before a fall. A sad waste of silk and boning! Working for the head cutter of the film at the time it came out, I head him say he was also disappointed in the results because of the complete disregard for period. The designer wanted sexy butt emphasis on the women so did bustles for that reason alone. What.... you can't get sexy hip/butt emphasis in those trumpet skirts of the 1890s? Of course you can. They cling and mold to the ass. Beautiful gowns. Bad designs....for that project. So you see, I'm not just negative but have well thought out and informed opinions. --part1_36.32f2e28e.2b202255_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes:


The costuming for BSD is amazing (whether you like it or not is a different matter), just not historical. If you'd had historically correct costumes from 1897 they'd look really out of place in the extremely theatrical totally unrealistic set and story.


Nonsense. They are lovely gowns and...er.... things...but the designer gets a D-. You seem to not care that they flash a specific date on the screen then ignore it. You also seem to not realize that the title of the film is "BRAM STOKER'S Dracula", not "let's make it up Dracula". Costuming does not exist in a vacuum. It was the concept of the film to be true to the book [then they go and do the very 1st scene....that isn't anywhere in the book] The whole film is a disaster on every level. The Japanese designer has a wonderful sense of style but obviously doesn't begin to get western clothes of the 19th century. The men's things are all over the place and awful, even if the women's stuff is opulent. Opulence cannot disguise hubris....which is what that whole film is about. And boy did it goeth before a fall. A sad waste of silk and boning!

Working for the head cutter of the film at the time it came out, I head him say he was also disappointed in the results because of the complete disregard for period. The designer wanted sexy butt emphasis on the women so did bustles for that reason alone. What.... you can't get sexy hip/butt emphasis in those trumpet skirts of the 1890s? Of course you can. They cling and mold to the ass. Beautiful gowns. Bad designs....for that project.

So you see, I'm not just negative but have well thought out and informed opinions. --part1_36.32f2e28e.2b202255_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 23:36:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16779 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54b3l9016532; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54b1hG007651; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54aNhG007333 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a222.in-tch.com [66.62.107.22]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB54JhD23818 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:19:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEED7B1.F10705C9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <20021204151901.3402.30960.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3DEE8466.10231.247B6F08@localhost> <3DEE9596.82702D72@mccc.edu> <013e01c29bfb$7618f980$18a231d2@valadan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:36:01 -0700 Status: RO Ohhhh! (lightbulb goes on) I'd *wondered* what the "marrow" was in the jar of Branston pickle that I brought home (dang, but that stuff is good! I wonder if there's a recipe somewhere....0 --sue Baralier wrote: > > > I'm confused ..I thought a British 'marrow' was the same as American > > 'zuchinni'. > > It is. As is courgette. It's not uncommon to have one or two names for > the same thing. Usually they're regional names. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 4 23:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16809 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:42:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54h3l9016894; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54h1hG009636; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB54gahG009366 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:42:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a222.in-tch.com [66.62.107.22]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB54QcD26716 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:26:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEED94D.E51C77DA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <3DEE0F10.28105.22FCBF9E@localhost> <3DEE4CBC.11181.23EDAEF3@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:42:53 -0700 Status: RO Except that tang and koolaid are dry mixes, and the british "squash" is a liquid concentrate. My hosts in Bath kept some on their kitchen counter--I believe it was actually orange. --sue kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > > And we have the occasional British squash such as Ribena. (Yum. My > > > favorite, although you have to hunt to find it, usually only in > > > specialty stores and only the concentrate.) > > > > > > Mostly we just call ours "juice". > > > > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > > to convince you it's healthy. > > Well, those are called "juice drinks" too. (Things like Tang, for > instance are still considered juice even though it is exactly what > you are labeling "squash.") > > > Still, it helps drown the taste of the fluoride in the tap > > water :) > > I think you are thinking of Chlorine. Fluoride in drinking water has > no taste. But Chlorine definitely does. It is what makes most city > water taste so gross and is put there to cut down on water > contaminants of the viral/bacterial types. In fact, they generally > decide how much to put in by looking at the "coloform" count of the > pre-Chlorined water. If it has a lot of "coloforms" better known as > bacteria, specifically E. coli which all non-chlorinated water has, > then they put in more Chlorine. That's why sometimes the water tastes > worse than other times. (Sometimes it's almost as bad as poolwater, > which has Chlorine for the same reason but needs more since it is not > running water.) > > Kat Russell > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 01:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17188 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:00:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB55x2l9020356; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB55x1hG002814; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB55wShG002721 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:58:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB021130288; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:58:26 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB03E500B0; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:58:27 -0600 Message-ID: <00d601c29c23$57e97020$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:58:32 -0500 Status: RO I wanted to past this along for those people who have teenagers in love with the Japanese culture... one of those fads for this age group. I decided that I am going to make my 3rd son, Andy, a new quilt for Christmas. Years ago for Christmas I made him a quilt... well it is in threads. I bought him an electric blanket, but he prefers to sleep with the old ragged out quilt. He did the same thing with a baby quilt that my mom made him. Andy loves the Japanese culture, so today Pat (4th son) and I bought some beautiful Japanese printed cottons to make the quilt top at Hancock Fabrics. He loves Japanese dragons and I found two prints with dragons and two others with Japanese people. He also loves bamboo, and I found a black background print with gold bamboo. The center of each block will be the dragons and people prints, and I will outline the block with strips of bamboo print. The long strips separating the blocks will be black. Now I know you all think I am crazy for trying this project this late, but it is a really easy quilt to make. If needed Joe (hubby) can sew the straight seams on machine. For the backing of the quilt I will use a black sheet. Instead of batting, I use a thermal blanket. Instead of hand or machine stitching everything together, we use the tack-tie method. We use cotton crochet thread and run 6" baste stitches across the entire quilt. Then you clip the baste threads and tie them in a knot. Joe and I made three of the tie quilts for our oldest three sons one year for Christmas. We started the day after Thanksgiving. The boys loved them. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 02:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06621 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57cSl9023247; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:38:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57cRhG029673; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:38:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57bohG029504 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:37:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-94.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.94] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ16862; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:35:49 GMT Message-ID: <01b001c29c31$e8811760$37634ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DEED96F.60BEA908@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:42:47 -0000 Status: RO Try this online Lation dictionary http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latin.htm Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 02:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06645 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57c5l9023231; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:38:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57c1hG029554; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57bMhG029399 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:37:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-94.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.94] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ16829; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:35:05 GMT Message-ID: <01ab01c29c31$ce2ecf60$37634ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:42:03 -0000 Status: RO Potted Meat is meat which is preveved quite often in jars or pots, you apply pressue & a layer of butter, various types are still incredibily popular in France but less so here, there are plenty of recipes on the web here is a fairly good general one http://cheftochef.net/r/8/A08833.shtml Marrows are just large courgettes if you leave a corgette to grow it becomes a marrow. Traditionally courgettes were French food & rather sneared at ;) Whereas a good stuffed marrow is very British !! (Much to the initially horrow of my French son) Are both Zuccini to you ? Squashes (as food) include butternut, pumpkin etc, and most experianced cooks would understand the food & drink ref & interpret according to the context, I personally use both. Sqashes are now the more artificial drinks otherwise called cordials and, sqash I believe comes from squashing the fruit via a sieve to make them :) Luckily you can get the french Squashes which are very yummy & much nicer (saddly I fill my car with these as well as wine every trip) online in the states called teisseire https://morpheus.safe-order.net/frenchfeast/order.htm Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 02:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13848 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:56:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57v4l9023723; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57v0hG004806; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB57u6hG004633 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Jqrd-0006ei-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:56:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEF062F.F5D2EA66@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Aquitaine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:54:23 -0600 Status: RO Anyone know of a good online picture of Eleanor of Aquitaine's effigy. I need it like yesterday and the only biography at the library has a poor picture. I worked my way through lots of Google hits with no luck. Lots of references to it, but no pictures. Thanks, --Charlene -- Official sign near door: Door Alarmed. Hand-printed sign nearby: Window frightened. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23440 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58B2l9024344; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58B1hG008271; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58AShG008129 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205081027.TVJI9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:10:27 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEF09F5.23377.26852753@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DEE9596.82702D72@mccc.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:10:29 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Dec 2002 at 18:54, Kate Pinner wrote: Me: > > I think what you call zuchinni are what we call > > courgettes: > I'm confused ..I thought a British 'marrow' was the same as American > 'zuchinni'. Kate Well, a courgette is a baby marrow, so yes, sort of. Courgettes are up to say 10 inches long and about an inch thick. Marrows are say 18 inches long and maybe six inches thick. Same plant, though different varieties get bred for the two purposes. And then there's the prize-winning Giant Marrows for village flower shows, about which many jokes are made. I've always been told that if an American recipe talks about "zucchini", you should use courgette. What size do you think a zucchini is? Maybe I've been getting it wrong. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23503 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:10:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BCl9024354; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BBhG008320; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58AUhG008138 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205081030.TVLA9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:10:30 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021204.184214.-211469.0.Cley@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:10:29 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Dec 2002 at 15:52, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Jane wrote: > > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > > to convince you it's healthy. > > Ah! We call that Kool Aid here across the pond. 8) Well, that explains a mystery. I'd heard of that, and assumed it was a dressing for burns :) If we call something "juice", it's juice. Mainly, anyway. Take fruit, and squeeze. Maybe add sugar, preservatives, colour, if it's going in a long-life carton, but the main content was once fruit. "Juice drink" would be a watered down version of the above. ("contains at least 10% real orange!") Then you get squashes with added juice. And at the bottom of the ladder, just "squash". Don't go there. BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23577 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:10:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BFl9024375; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BFhG008346; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB58AYhG008155 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:10:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205081033.20388.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:10:33 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <36.32f2e28e.2b202255@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Nonsense. They are lovely gowns and...er.... things...but the designer gets a > > D-. Nonsense to your nonsense, because there are MANY points of view. Okay, so don't have a clue about clothing of the 19th c. and don't care either, and yes I would probably hate it if they did something horrendeous to 17th c. clothing, BUT to someone without knowledge nor any interest for 19th c. clothing, the costumes were FANTASTIC! and guess what, I gave the costumes and A rating in my personal costume-film ating list. Don't forget there are many points of view and there is NO such things asd ONE right opinion, believe it or not. :-) I understand what you say, and I do agree, and at the same time I disagree, does that make sense? Anyway, I kinda agree with everyone's opinion in this case, because everyone has a very valid point. I personally took Dracula as totally fantasy, and that's why I adored the costumes, absolutely adored them. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:10:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23591 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:10:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BIl9024387; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58BIhG008369; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58AYhG008158 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:10:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205081033.TVMY9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:10:33 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Message-ID: <3DEF09F4.19174.268524FA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200212050232.SAA14345@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:10:28 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Dec 2002 at 18:32, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > There's just no way to dance on a crowded floor with trailing skirts > without someone taking damage. Not that this is my period in the slightest, but didn't people used to do just this? Somehow? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27768 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58G2l9024787; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58G1hG009680; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB58FjhG009612 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:15:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205081545.307.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:15:45 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEE9014.2000303@oldwaylane.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:15:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Judy Mitchell wrote: > > Actually, it is a bra strap. Sorry, I still don't believe that. Is there proof for this assumption? We thought for a while it > might have been tape - but it's not. And the dress is > actually steel grey (they do a lot of color tweaking). She I bet it is lovely in steel grey too! Soo.. to bring it back to historic costuming, what era does it remind me of? (other than pre-raphaelite, obviously! *L*) Hmm..... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28888 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:16:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58H2l9024824; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58H1hG009908; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58GnhG009868 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-94.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.94] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ18634; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:14:48 GMT Message-ID: <025b01c29c37$5aafcc00$37634ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DEF09F4.19174.268524FA@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:21:46 -0000 Status: RO >Not that this is my period in the slightest, but didn't people used to do just this? Somehow? Firstly people were probably more aware, the longer you do it with a group of people the less they tred on it, it is more likely to happen from a non re-enacting male (yes generally males) Secondly there are carytoons in Punch were after a ball the toilette is completly ruined far beyond anything I've experianced, now I know it is saterical, but this shows that dress damage was occuring at the time, there are also written refs of the same. Bear in mind to clean these garment they unpicked everything & resewed it all together after cleaning, eaks !! I couldn't do that !! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30608 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:17:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58I1l9024883; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58I1hG010139; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58HBhG009962 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JrC3-0001Vg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEF0B17.C04A729E@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:15:19 -0600 Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Sorry to bother the list, but this is the only place I know to ask this > question. My daughter is reading a British book and ran across a term she > didn't know. Having read many British children's books myself, I am > surprised to find that I don't know the answer. So here goes: what is > "potted meat"? Is it like Spam, or something completely different? I was going to mention that in the States there's one company that even lists it as "potted meat" on the label. I couldn't remember if it was Hormel or who and decided to verify (turns out it's Armour http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/potted.html ). I Googled potted meat and this came up: http://www.pottedmeatmuseum.com/ . There really is a museum for everything. :) --Charlene -- Official sign near door: Door Alarmed. Hand-printed sign nearby: Window frightened. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31893 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58J1l9024938; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58J1hG010388; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB58IKhG010237 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:18:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205081820.11046.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:18:20 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00e901c29bd1$bda5b920$8a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > If you look toward the left side of the monitor, you can see what definitely > looks like a bra strap. May I repeat myself: what makes it _definitely_ a bra strap? Proof please, proof! Nicole - awkward coz she wants proof, always, for everything :-) AND wants her figure and that dress *whimper* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:38:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17077 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58d2l9025377; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58d1hG015022; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB58crhG014969 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:38:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205080526.1691.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:05:26 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEED7B1.F10705C9@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:05:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Ohhhh! (lightbulb goes on) I'd *wondered* what the "marrow" was in the > jar of Branston pickle that I brought home (dang, but that stuff is > good! I wonder if there's a recipe somewhere....0 > --sue Ohhhhhh Branston pickle! While I'll never be a convert to Marmite *poooey-pooey-pooey* I adore Branston pickle. I love the Branston pickle Walker's crisps too, actually, funnily enough, the Marmite ones are quite interesting, while Marmite itself is really like that: love it or hate it, nothing in between! You should be able to get Branston pickle online somewhere in the states? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 03:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32310 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:53:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58s2l9025637; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58s0hG018553; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58rShG018439 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB58tdYv014760 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:55:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEF147F.1000704@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Aquitaine References: <3DEF062F.F5D2EA66@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:55:27 -0800 Status: RO To Charlene- scroll down: http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/normandy/falaise.htm an overhead view: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/1044/eleanor.html kind of a crummy close in color view: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/monarchs_leaders/henry11_ibeji04.shtml Hope these help a little, Theresa Eacker Charlene Charette wrote: > Anyone know of a good online picture of Eleanor of Aquitaine's effigy. > I need it like yesterday and the only biography at the library has a > poor picture. I worked my way through lots of Google hits with no > luck. Lots of references to it, but no pictures. > > Thanks, > --Charlene > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 04:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25412 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:16:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59H2l9026344; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59H0hG024456; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59GohG024423 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:16:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB59JYF29810.; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:19:34 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:16:46 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB59GohG024423 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:16:34 +0000 Status: RO Mel wrote: >Secondly there are carytoons in Punch were after a ball the toilette is >completly ruined far beyond anything I've experianced, now I know it is >saterical, but this shows that dress damage was occuring at the time, there >are also written refs of the same. Yes - in Mrs. Gaskell's "Ruth" the milliner's assistants have to be on duty at the ball to repair any damage to skirts that may occur. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 04:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28515 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:24:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59P2l9026509; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59P1hG026453; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f124.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.124]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59OWhG026298 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:24:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:24:27 -0800 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:24:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 09:24:27.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B70EA20:01C29C40] Subject: [h-cost] Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:24:26 +0000 Status: RO I wonder if any Elizabethan costumers could help me please. Is there a difference between a biggins and a coif and if so what is it? Does anyone know of any pictures of headrails? or, (fingers crossed) extant head rails? regards Joy Shillaker _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 04:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28529 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:28:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59T1l9026589; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59T0hG027384; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB59SlhG027304 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB59VZF00560.; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:31:35 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:28:46 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB59SlhG027304 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:28:23 +0000 Status: RO OK, when I said the vegetable squash wasn't widely known in the UK I meant that nothing is sold under that name in your average greengrocer's. I know the courgette is a member of the same family, and I know some enthusiastic gardeners/cooks grow the "Spaghetti squash" et al., but to the average Brit squash is a drink. I would describe potted meat as a traditional British version of what we would nowadays call pate (sorry, my e-mail doesn't include accents). Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 05:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28653 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:12:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5AD3l9027834; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5AD1hG008601; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5AC5hG008286 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:12:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-102-186.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.102.186]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANU52888; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:12:06 GMT Message-ID: <040601c29c46$bcc2ec10$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:11:41 -0000 Status: RO >OK, when I said the vegetable squash wasn't widely known in the UK I meant that nothing is sold under that name in your average greengrocer's. I know the courgette is a member of the same family, and I know some enthusiastic gardeners/cooks grow the "Spaghetti squash" et al., but to the average Brit squash is a drink. I think you were right to say it is not a obvious first thought to the average Brit. I know what they are but no that many people do I didn't mean to suggest you were incorrect :) >I would describe potted meat as a traditional British version of what we would nowadays call pate (sorry, my e-mail doesn't include accents). Potted meat tends to be chunkier more like terrine (sp?) in France Pate should be smooth really The two used to be very diffferent I expect it depends on the time frame of the ref :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 05:13:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28659 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:13:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5ADNl9027853; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:13:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5ADMhG008767; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5ACmhG008512 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:12:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB5AFZF03680.; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:15:35 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:12:47 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB5ACmhG008512 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:12:25 +0000 Status: RO Paul wrote: >Though I do remember going into a bakers in Balham and asking for a >1/2 dozen doughnuts. The girl had no idea what a dozen was. I wasn't >even going to start on the concept of a baker's dozen! She must have been exceptionally ignorant. Most British people would know what a dozen was; eggs are always sold by the dozen or half-dozen. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 05:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28761 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:52:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Ar2l9028979; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Ar0hG015808; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5AqchG015694 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136BD1103A3 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip138.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.138]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F280010F0BB for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:52:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301c29c4b$daec6180$8a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:48:32 -0500 Status: RO > > BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain > cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be > used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) Over here, I have heard of quilters using Kool Aid to dye fabrics. Don't know how well it would work, or how fast it would be, but I think I would prefer to use more reliable methods. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 06:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28829 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:08:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5B91l9029338; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5B90hG019983; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5B8ShG019831 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0408A1102F3 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip138.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.138]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 925F510FBDB for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00eb01c29c4e$1168d3e0$8a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021205081820.11046.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:04:20 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > If you look toward the > left side of the monitor, you can see what definitely > > looks like a bra strap. > > May I repeat myself: what makes it _definitely_ a bra strap? Proof please, > proof! > I didn't say definitely "is". I said definitely "looks like". It may be part of an underdress or chemise type thingie ( how's that for technical) but it "looks" like a bra strap. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 06:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28840 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:11:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5BC0l9029404; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5BC0hG020711; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5BBShG020599 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB5BEGF08082.; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:14:16 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:11:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB5BBShG020599 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:11:11 +0000 Status: RO I wasn't getting at you, Mel, just replying to whoever was surprised that we didn't eat vegetables of that family at all. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> MelanieWilson@dragonflight.co.uk 12/05/02 10:11am >>> >>OK, when I said the vegetable squash wasn't widely known in the UK I >>meant that nothing is sold under that name in your average greengrocer's. >>I know the courgette is a member of the same family, and I know some >>enthusiastic gardeners/cooks grow the "Spaghetti squash" et al., but to >>the average Brit squash is a drink. >I think you were right to say it is not a obvious first thought to the >average Brit. I know what they are but no that many people do I didn't >mean to suggest you were incorrect :) >Potted meat tends to be chunkier more like terrine (sp?) in France Pate >should be smooth really >The two used to be very diffferent I expect it depends on the time frame of >the ref :) I was thinking of the potted meat I had as a child, which was smooth. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28986 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:11:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CAEl9001011; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CADhG005362; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5C9LhG005190 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id EAA15685 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212051231.EAA15685@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Jane Williams" wrote: > On 4 Dec 2002 at 18:32, Lee Thompson-Herbert > wrote: > > > There's just no way to dance on a crowded floor with trailing skirts > > without someone taking damage. > > Not that this is my period in the slightest, but didn't > people used to do just this? Somehow? The dancing was a little different. Most of what's done at the Gaskell Ball is viennese (turning) waltzes, polkas, quicksteps and shottisches (though strangely, they _don't_ do the turning version of that dance). There are usually one or two country dances thrown in as well. But the major difference is that the floor is _very_ crowded, and a large percentage of the dancers there have _not_ spent a lot of time on dance lessons. I run a weekly ceili dance, and after a couple really spectacular disasters on the floor at Gaskells, we spent some time teaching floorcraft, even though we don't _usually_ teach waltzes or travelling polkas. The quip I mentioned in my last post about "trying not to be killed" came from another very experienced dancer. He was spending entirely too much time trying to avoid couples who were careening across the floor completely out of control. In that situation, one either learns to modify costumes for the environment or spend a lot of time doing repairs. You can do most of the dances in hoops, but not trailing ones unless you really want to spend a lot of time repairing your dress afterwards. And bustles really shouldn't trail the floor for _dancing_. Dinnerwear is different. For contrast, the Scandi dancers who do almost exclusively turning dances of many varieties tend to make sure their skirts hit just about ankle level, or perhaps the instep of the foot. Floor length skirts are for receptions, not dancing. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:19:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29018 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CJ1l9001300; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CJ0hG007561; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CIOhG007407 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from p3-max11.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.214.131] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JuxS-0003By-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:18:23 +1300 Message-ID: <005701c29c58$68571db0$83d6adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Eowyn costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:18:22 +1300 Status: RO > Is the Pre-Raphaelite Women book mostly text? If it's the one I read (can't > remember the title) I highly recommend it. Oops, sorry this one got through;) This book does have a lot of text but is stuffed full of images, and some that I've not seen reproduced elsewhere. Including one which shows a woman taking her hair down and in a state of half dress.. her undergarment being total fantasy and made of what looks to be a heavy lace. sound familiar? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29101 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cm2l9001906; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cm0hG014477; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5ClrhG014418 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:47:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m67.in-tch.com [216.166.191.67]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB5CVsD28113 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:31:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEF4B09.225D65B7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <20021205080526.1691.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:48:09 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, I think so...Found a website that imports all kinds of British food. Not sure if it was through this list, or another (the cross-topics are fun, but positively confusing sometimes!). One of my friends had asked me to bring some back, so I'd been on the alert. Bought some in London (price--ouch!), and then found it again in Bath (cheaper). This particular jar that I'm slowly consuming managed to open itself in my luggage on the way home (thank gawd I'd thought to wrap them in plastic bags!). I'd heard of "pickle," and had run across it in a couple of sandwiches (we ate a lot of those! ), but didn't eat it as itself until it showed up as part of my plowman's lunch in Shrewsbury.....*sigh*.....I miss British cheese something fierce. Hey, Nicole...I mailed a certain package to you a couple of days ago. They told me 4-6 weeks for shipping time, but when I used the same method in September to mail back some of the books I'd accumulated (mostly in London ), they actually got back before I did (less than two weeks). So who knows? --sue N Kipar wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Ohhhh! (lightbulb goes on) I'd > *wondered* what the "marrow" was in the > > jar of Branston pickle that I brought home (dang, but that stuff is > > good! I wonder if there's a recipe somewhere....0 > > --sue > > Ohhhhhh Branston pickle! While I'll never be a convert to Marmite > *poooey-pooey-pooey* I adore Branston pickle. I love the Branston pickle > Walker's crisps too, actually, funnily enough, the Marmite ones are quite > interesting, while Marmite itself is really like that: love it or hate it, > nothing in between! > > You should be able to get Branston pickle online somewhere in the states? > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29111 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:50:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Co1l9001952; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Co1hG015017; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CnphG014942 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m67.in-tch.com [216.166.191.67]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB5CXrD28525 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:33:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEF4B85.619FCDD4@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:50:13 -0700 Status: RO Apparently, you can dye fabrics quite nicely with a mixture of koolaid. Not sure of proportions, etc. I, for one, however, am not interested in wearing something dyed "Crazy Berry Blue." --sue Jane Williams wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2002 at 15:52, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > Jane wrote: > > > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > > > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > > > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > > > to convince you it's healthy. > > > > Ah! We call that Kool Aid here across the pond. 8) > > Well, that explains a mystery. I'd heard of that, and > assumed it was a dressing for burns :) > > If we call something "juice", it's juice. Mainly, > anyway. Take fruit, and squeeze. Maybe add sugar, > preservatives, colour, if it's going in a long-life > carton, but the main content was once fruit. > > "Juice drink" would be a watered down version of the > above. ("contains at least 10% real orange!") > > Then you get squashes with added juice. > > And at the bottom of the ladder, just "squash". Don't > go there. > > BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain > cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be > used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29119 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cs2l9002046; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cs1hG015935; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CrlhG015840 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:53:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m67.in-tch.com [216.166.191.67]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB5CbnD29462 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:37:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEF4C71.9BC64220@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <3DEF09F5.23377.26852753@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:54:09 -0700 Status: RO All the same critter, over here. Most recipes would prefer you to use them when they're, say, cucumber-sized up to the size of your forearm, but not much bigger. Of course, as any gardener knows, they're sneaky, and grow *much* bigger than that (usually hidden under the leaves in the back of the plant!). We got some completely enormous ones when I was a kid...could feed some to the cows and chickens, and the rest got set up on fence posts and used for target practice. They also blow up pretty good (ISTR), if you stick fire crackers in them. --sue Jane Williams wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2002 at 18:54, Kate Pinner wrote: > > Me: > > > I think what you call zuchinni are what we call > > > courgettes: > > > I'm confused ..I thought a British 'marrow' was the same as American > > 'zuchinni'. Kate > > Well, a courgette is a baby marrow, so yes, sort of. > Courgettes are up to say 10 inches long and about > an inch thick. Marrows are say 18 inches long and > maybe six inches thick. Same plant, though > different varieties get bred for the two purposes. And > then there's the prize-winning Giant Marrows for > village flower shows, about which many jokes are > made. > > I've always been told that if an American recipe talks > about "zucchini", you should use courgette. What > size do you think a zucchini is? Maybe I've been > getting it wrong. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 07:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29127 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:57:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cv1l9002121; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Cv0hG016713; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5CuihG016656 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:56:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB5CuiP7016655 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:56:44 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <20021205055643.D6036@net.indra.com> References: <3DEED7B1.F10705C9@in-tch.com> <20021205080526.1691.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021205080526.1691.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:56:44 -0700 Status: RO Please wrap up this discussion, as it's off-topic for this list. Thanks, ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 08:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29212 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:39:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5DcMl9003263; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5DcKhG027189; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:38:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5DbAhG026851 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-086.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.86]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586E219FD51 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:37:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DEF567E.6050006@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:37:02 +0100 Status: RO Hi, Has anyone noticed that the new Simplicity pattern 5724 looks a lot like the dress in a fashion plate from 1851... :-) http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/grahams1851b.jpg http://www.simplicity.com/s2b.htm Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 08:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29221 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5De1l9003322; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5De0hG027623; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5DdOhG027446 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-104-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.104.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANU69470; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:39:23 GMT Message-ID: <04d001c29c63$b203bd00$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:39:10 -0000 Status: RO >bakers in Balham My sister lives in Balham, she might well not have been English at all ;) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 08:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29234 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Dk2l9003530; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Dk1hG029343; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5DjNhG029196 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:45:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205134522.56358.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:45:22 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEF567E.6050006@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone noticed that the new Simplicity pattern 5724 looks a lot like > the dress in a fashion plate from 1851... :-) > http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/grahams1851b.jpg > http://www.simplicity.com/s2b.htm http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5724/5724.jpg Urgh... uhm... hmm... is it just me or are those big fat red roses a tad OTT? *shudder* No, seriously, I don't have a clue about this period and it struck me as an awfully ugly dress, therefore I would like to know, IS this historically correct? Is this right or more a costumey costume? Cheers Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 08:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29259 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:52:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Dq1l9003730; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Dq0hG001202; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5DpVhG001087 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:51:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-104-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.104.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANU70260; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:51:39 GMT Message-ID: <051c01c29c65$68490100$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200212051231.EAA15685@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:51:26 -0000 Status: RO >The dancing was a little different. Yeah mad insane fast & loopy >bustles really shouldn't trail the floor for _dancing_. Depends what you mean by trail, not long trains I'd agree but the 1872 dance book I have and most of the pics I've seen for that era have floor length and slightly trailing skirts certainly enough to be stepped on quite easily :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29562 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:17:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FG8l9007411; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FG1hG028311; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FFKhG028020 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.198.11aab34a (3858) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <198.11aab34a.2b20c71d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_198.11aab34a.2b20c71d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:13:33 EST Status: RO --part1_198.11aab34a.2b20c71d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:09:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > I understand what you say, and I do agree, and at the same time I disagree, > does that make sense? Of course that makes sense! We're throwing OPINIONS back and forth, not facts or life threatening diagnoses. I love the clothes in "Orlando"....a film many of my friends hate....clothes and all. No one is immune. --part1_198.11aab34a.2b20c71d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:09:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


I understand what you say, and I do agree, and at the same time I disagree,
does that make sense?


Of course that makes sense! We're throwing OPINIONS back and forth, not facts or life threatening diagnoses.

I love the clothes in "Orlando"....a film many of my friends hate....clothes and all. No one is immune. --part1_198.11aab34a.2b20c71d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29591 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:28:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FR4l9008263; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FR2hG003019; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5FQehG002817 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoQYRxuFvwuc1Z2PxMA34BUyR4UE56cShw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKABV58C; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:25:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021205.102440.-179017.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Subject: [h-cost] Tudor question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:24:39 -0500 Status: RO Were cartridge pleats used during the Tudor period or did they come into vogue during the Elizabethan period? I am about to do my Tudor skirt and would really rather do cartridge pleats because they are easier than fooling with knife pleats, but can't find a picture that doesn't have the arms hiding the waist. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29626 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fc4l9009145; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fc1hG008067; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FbOhG007749 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.69.31612e96 (657) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <69.31612e96.2b20cc9f@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_69.31612e96.2b20cc9f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] Lecture at Riversdale House Museum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:37:03 EST Status: RO --part1_69.31612e96.2b20cc9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List: I can't remember if I posted an announcement of this lecture to this list: Dr. Colleen Gau, co-author of "Uplift: the Bra in America," was scheduled to do a lecture and book signing here at Riversdale, 4811 Riverdale Rd., Riverdale Park, Maryland, tonight, Dec. 5. We denizens of the DC metro area being what we are, we have postponed the lecture, due to snow, to Friday night, Dec. 6, at 7:00 p.m. Cost is $5.00. Ann Wass --part1_69.31612e96.2b20cc9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List:
I can't remember if I posted an announcement of this lecture to this list:
Dr. Colleen Gau, co-author of "Uplift: the Bra in America," was scheduled to do a lecture and book signing here at Riversdale, 4811 Riverdale Rd., Riverdale Park, Maryland, tonight, Dec. 5.  We denizens of the DC metro area being what we are, we have postponed the lecture, due to snow, to Friday night, Dec. 6, at 7:00 p.m.  Cost is $5.00.
Ann Wass --part1_69.31612e96.2b20cc9f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29650 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fh3l9009538; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fh1hG010412; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fg9hG009952 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6N006VRKV0HL@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DEF7322.8030504@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:39:14 -0600 Status: RO Way back when we had the discussion of the "tapes" hanging from the shoulders there was a "working sketch" that was done by an artist that showed the back of a tudor gown and I would say it was cartridge pleated. I have the picture, but did not save the URL. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29671 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:49:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fm4l9009961; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fm2hG012747; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5Fk1hG011830 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:46:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205152918.2713.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:29:18 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <198.11aab34a.2b20c71d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > I > I love the clothes in "Orlando"....a film many of my friends hate....clothes > and all. No one is immune. Ohhhh Orlando, gorgeous, wonderful! I adore the 1700 justaucorps and big wig and all he/she is wearing. Sure it is OTT, but it is wonderful, and actually not that horiffically wrong. The red 1700 outfit is my favourite from the film, what is yours? I must admit though that my favourite scene of 'em all is thingamy as the singing angel. *BG* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29698 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:51:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fo2l9010103; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fo2hG013766; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5FnJhG013342 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m212.in-tch.com [216.166.191.212]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB5FXLD04151 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DEF7595.4BD934D0@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern References: <20021205134522.56358.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:49:41 -0700 Status: RO Good Lord! She looks like she's wearing a Christmas tree skirt! I can kinda see the resemblance to the fashion plate, but I wonder about the color scheme! --Sue, pre-17th c. costume geek N Kipar wrote: > > --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone noticed that the new Simplicity pattern 5724 looks a lot like > > the dress in a fashion plate from 1851... :-) > > > http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/grahams1851b.jpg > > http://www.simplicity.com/s2b.htm > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5724/5724.jpg > > Urgh... uhm... hmm... is it just me or are those big fat red roses a tad OTT? > *shudder* > > No, seriously, I don't have a clue about this period and it struck me as an > awfully ugly dress, therefore I would like to know, IS this historically > correct? Is this right or more a costumey costume? > > Cheers > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29724 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fq2l9010259; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fq1hG014688; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5FpxhG014666 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 50216 invoked by uid 1005); 5 Dec 2002 15:51:53 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067132 secs); 05 Dec 2002 15:51:53 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067132 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 15:51:53 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <20021205.102440.-179017.2.catpurson@juno.com> Message-ID: <20021205104203.R4427-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:51:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In Tudor times, the skirt was gathered to the bodice primarily in the back. There are references to the pleats (however they were made) being "stuffed", which could give a very full, rounded and "cartridge-pleated" look to simple box pleats or knife pleats. This stuffing also helped the pleats to stand out. I'm not sure if the stuffing involved pleating, sewing, and then pushing stuffing in and sewing the pleat closed, or if it involved a layer of wool or cotton batting laid against the skirt fabric before it was pleated. Anyone have any more info on the mechanics of 16th c. stuffed pleats? While we can't say with certainty that skirts weren't cartridge-pleated in Tudor times, I prefer the more documentable box or knife pleating until the later 1580s. If you cartridge pleat a skirt and then push the pleats flat, you get really lovely, evenly spaced knife-pleats. Good luck with the gown, Drea On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > Were cartridge pleats used during the Tudor period or did they > come into vogue during the Elizabethan period? I am about to do my Tudor > skirt and would really rather do cartridge pleats because they are easier > than fooling with knife pleats, but can't find a picture that doesn't > have the arms hiding the waist. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 10:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29739 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fs5l9010444; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Fs3hG015716; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from m15.bos.untd.com (m15.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5FrOhG015356 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"zDT9J7+GjNHhZUZmXWsl4PNBkXCEmZ7v8GRzV4n/pcfiMPreD1BKBA=="> Received: (from luann.mason@juno.com) by m15.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKADE7NS; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:52:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Message-ID: <20021205.075653.-294777.1.luann.mason@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-12,14-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: luann.mason@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:34:49 -0800 Status: RO On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:43:27 -0500 Gail & Scott Finke writes: > > > Sorry to bother the list, but this is the only place I know to ask > this > question. My daughter is reading a British book and ran across a > term she > didn't know. Having read many British children's books myself, I am > surprised to find that I don't know the answer. So here goes: what > is > "potted meat"? Is it like Spam, or something completely different? Closer to deviled ham. :-) You can buy it in most grocery stores, near the tuna. :-) HTH-- LuAnn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 11:14:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29821 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:14:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GDEl9011927; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GDD4B025270; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:13:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5GCt4B025022 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OnHFH5XF8g3UE5U3EWgd5q0="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKAEJ9W8; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:12:13 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails Message-ID: <20021205.081355.-47457.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8,10-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:06:49 +0000 Status: RO On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:24:26 +0000 "Joy Shillaker" writes: > I wonder if any Elizabethan costumers could help me please. > > Is there a difference between a biggins and a coif and if so what is > it? I was under the impression that a coif is a fitted cap and a biggins is a bag-like cap, fitted in the front with a bag for the hair in the back. Arlys, not a costumer ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 11:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29837 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GG1l9012183; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GG14B026791; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GF14B026193 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002120516145405100g710re>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: <008001c29c79$71e2cca0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <200212051231.EAA15685@gw.retro.com> <051c01c29c65$68490100$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> Subject: Trains & skirt lifters (WAS Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:14:53 -0800 Status: RO Re: the comment that skirts shouldn't trail on the ground for dancing: Yes, but there was a period in the mid- to late-1870's when trains were de rigeur for ALL skirts. There were tons of complaints that women wore loooong trains when out walking, which ended up trailing in the mud. I do agree that most modern day dancers don't have an idea about floorcraft, but my guess is that balls could be just as crowded in the 19th century as they are today at the Gaskell ball. So how did women deal with trains when dancing? Were skirt lifters used, or did they hold their skirt up, or did people know to avoid them, or were the dances written in such a way as to incorporate the trains? Has anyone seen any period images of women with skirt lifters (either metal ones, loops sewn to the skirt, or someone just holding up their skirt while dancing)? I'm just wondering how the ladies in "Too Early" got around the floor without massive damage! http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/tissot/p-tissot16.htm - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 11:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29857 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:21:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GK2l9012645; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GK14B029072; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GJ14B028348 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 37110781 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c29c79$ef475300$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: <20021205104203.R4427-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:18:22 -0600 Status: RO So, about where would you start the pleating? And the rest is sewn together flat? When do they start pleating all the way around the skirt? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > In Tudor times, the skirt was gathered to the bodice primarily in > the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 11:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30109 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:35:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GT1l9013432; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GT04B003836; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5GS74B003317 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:28:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc72 ([204.127.198.102]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2002120516280205300avvbpe>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:28:02 +0000 Received: from [205.225.207.97] by rwcrwbc72; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:28:01 +0000 From: mabse@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFic2VAYXR0YmkuY29t Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:28:01 +0000 Status: RO just a warning - my son had this same fascination, and now I am paying for a college junior year abroad in Japan. (and happy to do it, just want you to know where it can lead). He is also a fencer and is going to take traditional Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume that this is the same as a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for patterns for traditional Japanese fencing garb? I thought I would make him a costume for his trip. Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much limited to silk? Does anyone know anything about historic Japanese dress. Maybe this will lead me to some research on Questia. thanks, maryann, who is now in Nutcracker hell for the next couple of weeks. > I wanted to past this along for those people who have teenagers in love with > the Japanese culture... one of those fads for this age group. > > I decided that I am going to make my 3rd son, Andy, a new quilt for > Christmas. Years ago for Christmas I made him a quilt... well it is in > threads. I bought him an electric blanket, but he prefers to sleep with the > old ragged out quilt. He did the same thing with a baby quilt that my mom > made him. > > Andy loves the Japanese culture, so today Pat (4th son) and I bought some > beautiful Japanese printed cottons to make the quilt top at Hancock Fabrics. > He loves Japanese dragons and I found two prints with dragons and two others > with Japanese people. He also loves bamboo, and I found a black background > print with gold bamboo. The center of each block will be the dragons and > people prints, and I will outline the block with strips of bamboo print. > The long strips separating the blocks will be black. > > Now I know you all think I am crazy for trying this project this late, but > it is a really easy quilt to make. If needed Joe (hubby) can sew the > straight seams on machine. For the backing of the quilt I will use a black > sheet. Instead of batting, I use a thermal blanket. Instead of hand or > machine stitching everything together, we use the tack-tie method. We use > cotton crochet thread and run 6" baste stitches across the entire quilt. > Then you clip the baste threads and tie them in a knot. > > Joe and I made three of the tie quilts for our oldest three sons one year > for Christmas. We started the day after Thanksgiving. The boys loved them. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > http://www.onlinecostumeball.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 12:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30712 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:56:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Ht5l9021325; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Ht20S027053; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Hs60S026419 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id gB5Hs0U12479 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:54:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DEF92A0.68780E6A@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> <3DEF4B85.619FCDD4@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:53:38 -0500 Status: RO According to my daughter, you can dye hair with KoolAid Sue Clemenger wrote: > Apparently, you can dye fabrics quite nicely with a mixture of koolaid. > Not sure of proportions, etc. > I, for one, however, am not interested in wearing something dyed "Crazy > Berry Blue." > --sue > > Jane Williams wrote: > > > > On 4 Dec 2002 at 15:52, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > > > Jane wrote: > > > > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange > > > > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange > > > > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C > > > > to convince you it's healthy. > > > > > > Ah! We call that Kool Aid here across the pond. 8) > > > > Well, that explains a mystery. I'd heard of that, and > > assumed it was a dressing for burns :) > > > > If we call something "juice", it's juice. Mainly, > > anyway. Take fruit, and squeeze. Maybe add sugar, > > preservatives, colour, if it's going in a long-life > > carton, but the main content was once fruit. > > > > "Juice drink" would be a watered down version of the > > above. ("contains at least 10% real orange!") > > > > Then you get squashes with added juice. > > > > And at the bottom of the ladder, just "squash". Don't > > go there. > > > > BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain > > cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be > > used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 13:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30735 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:00:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Hx1l9021636; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Hx10S029304; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HwC0S028749 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip54.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.54]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB5Hw7Z06537 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DEF21FF.3820.272EDC4C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021205.102440.-179017.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:53:03 -0800 Status: RO > Were cartridge pleats used during the Tudor period or did they > come into vogue during the Elizabethan period? I am about to do my > Tudor skirt and would really rather do cartridge pleats because they > are easier than fooling with knife pleats, but can't find a picture > that doesn't have the arms hiding the waist. Cartridge pleats were used, as were knife pleats. They seem to have been used together at times. I don't have a URL but in the Holbein drawing of a lady (where he's done a front *and* a back view), there are obvious large cartridge pleats in the back. Some of the Breugel paintings also show this. There's another picture of a English court lady in a red dress with navy blue brocade undersleeves which shows the cartridge pleats at the side. However, it appears that she has some flat pleats to transition the front part to the back cartridge pleats (like 2 on each side). Unfortunately, the book which has the best picture of this is hiding/lost right now. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 13:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30764 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5I94l9023743; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5I910S005938; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5I8n0S005802 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip54.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.54]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB5I8ga11736 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DEF2400.27511.2736B281@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005a01c29c79$ef475300$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:01:36 -0800 Status: RO >So, about where would you start the pleating? And the rest is sewn >together flat? When do they start pleating all the way around the >skirt? > So, about where would you start the pleating? And the rest is sewn > together flat? When do they start pleating all the way around the > skirt? The front is flat to just a little in front of the sides (at about the point of the hip), then there are about 2 knife pleats, then the rest is cartridge pleated. I use a coating wool or a wool meant for padding jackets (which is bouncy but not as dense as coating wool) as an insert in the cartridge pleats to give them more body. Since we don't (yet, I keep hoping some will come) have either any extant garments or tailors manuals to say exactly how this was done, this is what I've found to give the same effect. Jean Hunnisett in her "stage and screen" book on the Tudor period shows one method of doing it. She seems to use smaller cartridge pleats than I've found in paintings, however. By the way, her pattern for the turned back sleeves hangs better than any other pattern I've seen for them in other books. I still had to do a lot of experimentation to get them just right, but they are still better than any of the others. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 13:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30951 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:44:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5IfGl9029338; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5If10S026844; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5Ie20S026030 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoQYRxuFvwuc/GhbCStEBwf++KOV2uU0Ng=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKANX4JL; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:39:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <20021205.133841.-179017.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-10 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:38:40 -0500 Status: RO Well, it looks like I can get away with the cartridge pleats after all. I just don't feel like doing the math required for knife or box pleats. I hadn't planned to start the pleating until almost the side of the garment anyway, so all the tips seem to work out to doing it the way I wanted to. Thanks bunches. Don't know why I am being so fussy about a gown made of pink polished cotton anyhow. That alone makes it totally wrong. But it is pretty. Thanks for all the advice. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 13:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31138 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Is3l9002215; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Is10S005256; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5IrF0S004672 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-120-190.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.120.190]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANJ69454; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:45:14 GMT Message-ID: <034f01c29c8f$6cdbdd80$37634ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200212051231.EAA15685@gw.retro.com> <051c01c29c65$68490100$957e4ed5@your1p37d9kihs> <008001c29c79$71e2cca0$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: Trains & skirt lifters (WAS Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:52:13 -0000 Status: RO >So how did women deal with trains when dancing? Were skirt lifters used, or did they hold their skirt up, or did people know to avoid them, Avoiding them is a bit plus I think, also you learn to dance in manner that swishes them out of the way most of the time. Kicking you partner until he learns not to step on them helps too :) > or were the dances written in such a way as to incorporate the trains? Not from any I've done :) Too many backwards steps they can be tricky... > Has anyone seen any period images of women with skirt lifters (either metal ones, loops sewn to the skirt, or someone just holding up their skirt while dancing)? Loops on trains that go onto your wrist work & I'm sure I've seen refs to, skirt lifters don't, I've tried dozens Skirt lifters are often said to be rather middle class, I've found no definate contempory refs to support that however. But let's face it if you are Upper class & have servants to repair your gowns, who cares if it gets ripped ? If you are really rich you might only wear a ballgown once anyway, before casting it asside or remodelling it. Certainly I was brought up not to wear the same ballgown twice, still have problems doing it & generally make a new Vicky ballgown per ball (hence the lack of space in my house !) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31320 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:14:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JD6l9005967; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:13:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JD4cJ016322; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JCNcJ015862 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.95]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F6F263085 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:12:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c29c92$8407b0d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks for the wig link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:14:21 +0100 Status: RO Hello Marcus! Are you planning to have a wig made for you? So am i, and i am going to use it in april, so perhaps i should contakt him two, to be sure to get one in time! Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcus findlay-arthur" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] Thanks for the wig link > Nicole thanks for the wig fellow's link. > > Marcus. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31372 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:21:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JJ2l9006870; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JJ0cJ019847; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JIEcJ019293 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.95]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FF86263041 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:18:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:20:12 +0100 Status: RO Guess what? I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31404 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:25:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JO3l9007793; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JO1cJ023106; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (mta6-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JNYcJ022851 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.8.191]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205192332.SYUV21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:23:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021205134522.56358.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:19:27 +0000 Status: RO > > Urgh... uhm... hmm... is it just me or are those big fat red roses a > tad OTT? > *shudder* Quite period I'm afraid although the Victorian versions were a good bit more attractive.Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most were either fabric or wax and rather realistic. While I can't see the bertha area very well in the pic,I do feel she is missing the standard ribbon and lace version to create the mid 19thC Victorian look. > > No, seriously, I don't have a clue about this period and it struck me > as an > awfully ugly dress, therefore I would like to know, IS this historically > correct? Is this right or more a costumey costume? Its pretty close actually but still a translation.viz. what 'we' the consumers would believe they wore.The skirt is a tad too stiff for 1851 - probably got hoops under it when petticoats should fill it out.The puffed over-skirt is a take-off of a Worth design and the scale of the lace trim and the scalloped edge is wrong.The fit of the bodice seems more current than Victorian - it should fit without wrinkles and sit ontop of the voluminous skirts. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31455 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:34:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JX1l9009131; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JX1cJ028475; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JW6cJ028003 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.95]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D409262F87 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:32:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00b201c29c95$46a95d80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021205152918.2713.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:34:06 +0100 Status: RO Hi, i got 5 minuttes to read a little h-costume emails, but i have given up to read all those send last week- sigh Oh yes, i love Orlando two, but i hate the large panier dress with those ruched pleats or what ever you call this with all the roses. (Was it blue?) It was hideous, and the tall wig looked like - i dont know what to say- Bjarne www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] > --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > I > > I love the clothes in "Orlando"....a film many of my friends hate....clothes > > and all. No one is immune. > > Ohhhh Orlando, gorgeous, wonderful! I adore the 1700 justaucorps and big wig > and all he/she is wearing. Sure it is OTT, but it is wonderful, and actually > not that horiffically wrong. The red 1700 outfit is my favourite from the film, > what is yours? > > I must admit though that my favourite scene of 'em all is thingamy as the > singing angel. *BG* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31472 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:35:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JT1l9008701; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JT0cJ026199; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JSdcJ025961 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp175.directcon.net [206.170.184.175]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB5JRsZl013259; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:27:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021205113202.00f02400@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:32:02 -0800 Status: RO At 09:24 AM 12/05/2002 +0000, Joy Shillaker wrote: >I wonder if any Elizabethan costumers could help me please. > >Is there a difference between a biggins and a coif and if so what is it? > the way I classify them, is that the biggins is the baby bonnet shaped item, usually with a strap or ties under the chin. The coif is the one that has a point on the forehead and sides that curve in at the cheeks. However, I don't know that the distinction was there in the period. In fact, I think it's likely that "coif" meant any number of styles of closely fitted headwear, rather the way we use "cap" today. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:42:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31517 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jf2l9010501; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jf1cJ003339; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Je0cJ002794 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB8FBE401C8; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:39:59 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB8F53A010C; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:39:59 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c29c96$1d5173e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:40:06 -0500 Status: RO Maryann, When my son was in high school, he wanted to go to Japan and study. After he flunked Japanese language class, he changed his mind. Now he is in a computer tech college... still living at home. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31630 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jo1l9011611; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jo0cJ007824; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JnecJ007600 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:49:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.95]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B1CD22631D4 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:49:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ed01c29c97$bc0a46a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Madame Pompadour in London Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:51:42 +0100 Status: RO Hi. Someone i know went to a lecture in London on National Portrait Gallery. Aileen Ribeiro was giving a lecture about the fashions in Madame de Pompadours times. Do you know what she said? She said that paniers were not used in Pompadours times!!! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 14:58:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31667 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jv2l9012340; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jv0cJ011923; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (mta6-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JuhcJ011731 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.8.191]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205195641.TSUO21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:56:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002801c29c92$8407b0d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <7C506C3B-0893-11D7-9A39-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:52:36 +0000 Status: RO Hello Bjarne, Long time no chat! > Are you planning to have a wig made for you? Absolutely! Nicole looks so fab and it sounds so easy that I figure I may as well help the reenactment authenticity bit a long a bit.I need something to fill out my turbans!besides my big head that is!!! : >>> > So am i, and i am going to use it in april, so perhaps i should contakt > him > two, to be sure to get one in time! I don't have a deadline and if this move to Ireland goes thru',I can still get to the UK easily. You do 18thC don't you for your own stuff don't you?What sort of wig did you have in mind? Marcus. Who could just possibly go 18thC with a little temptation. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 15:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31694 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K0Dl9013145; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K03cJ014004; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Jx4cJ013309 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.189.1205c350 (3858) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:58:55 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1205c350.2b2109ff@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.1205c350.2b2109ff_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Subject: [h-cost] My Favorite Orlando Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:58:55 EST Status: RO --part1_189.1205c350.2b2109ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 10:48:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > The red 1700 outfit is my favourite from the film, > what is yours? > I must admit being partial to the very 1st Elizabethan outfit she...er...he falls asleep under the tree in. Those gold silk stocking! I hated the 18th century stuff at first, But then I "got it"...what they were saying about the 18th century and its restrictions, both social and physical. "Baroque" as in "grotesque". Y'know "Dangerous Liaisons" is not correctly costumed either...in reality. The story is supposed to be in the late 1780s or 90s, if I remember correctly. Why did James Acheson put it in mid century? [and the director let him do what he wanted] He wanted it to be non-political. The real story has French Revolution overtones. He thought the screen play was distilled down to be more about the characters and love play. So he designed what he called "Coffee Table book" gowns....gorgeous to look at. Still, they tell some things about the characters. That yellow & black carriage outfit is beautiful but somehow conveys a sense of hypocrisy. The color is somehow trying too much. [does that make sense?] The artificiality of Glenn Close's "hooting" gown clearly says it all. I love good design! --part1_189.1205c350.2b2109ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 10:48:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


The red 1700 outfit is my favourite from the film,
what is yours?


I must admit being partial to the very 1st Elizabethan outfit she...er...he falls asleep under the tree in. Those gold silk stocking!

I hated the 18th century stuff at first, But then I "got it"...what they were saying about the 18th century and its restrictions, both social and physical. "Baroque" as in "grotesque".

Y'know "Dangerous Liaisons" is not correctly costumed either...in reality. The story is supposed to be in the late 1780s or 90s, if I remember correctly. Why did James Acheson put it in mid century? [and the director let him do what he wanted] He wanted it to be non-political. The real story has French Revolution overtones. He thought the screen play was distilled down to be more about the characters and love play. So he designed what he called "Coffee Table book" gowns....gorgeous to look at. Still, they tell some things about the characters. That yellow & black carriage outfit is beautiful but somehow conveys a sense of hypocrisy. The color is somehow trying too much. [does that make sense?] The artificiality of Glenn Close's "hooting" gown clearly says it all.

I love good design! --part1_189.1205c350.2b2109ff_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 15:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31712 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K56l9014301; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K52cJ017337; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K4icJ017119 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1c8.2a291aa (3858) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:04:02 EST Status: RO --part1_1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 2:24:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes: > Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most were > either fabric or wax and rather realistic. > I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures. > While I can't see the bertha area very well in the pic,I do feel she is > missing the standard ribbon and lace version to create the mid 19thC > Victorian look. > There's something wrong with the skirt. It just doesn't look right. Maybe the cut is wrong, The overskirt that looks like an awning [yuk!] may have been done but it looks wrong somehow. --part1_1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 2:24:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes:


Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most were
either fabric or wax and rather realistic.



I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures.




While I can't see the bertha area very well in the pic,I do feel she is
missing the standard ribbon and lace version to create the mid 19thC
Victorian look.


There's something wrong with the skirt. It just doesn't look right. Maybe the cut is wrong, The overskirt that looks like an awning [yuk!] may have been done but it looks wrong somehow. --part1_1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 15:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31736 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:10:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K89l9014989; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K82cJ019190; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5K7DcJ018697 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:07:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-207.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.207]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46D819FB59 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:07:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DEFB1E7.9000604@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080800030609040803020403" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:07:03 +0100 Status: RO --------------080800030609040803020403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Quite period I'm afraid although the Victorian versions were a good > bit more attractive.Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most > were either fabric or wax and rather realistic. > > While I can't see the bertha area very well in the pic,I do feel she > is missing the standard ribbon and lace version to create the mid > 19thC Victorian look > > Its pretty close actually but still a translation.viz. what 'we' the > consumers would believe they wore.The skirt is a tad too stiff for > 1851 - probably got hoops under it when petticoats should fill it > out.The puffed over-skirt is a take-off of a Worth design and the > scale of the lace trim and the scalloped edge is wrong.The fit of the > bodice seems more current than Victorian - it should fit without > wrinkles and sit ontop of the voluminous skirts. You mean that the > bodice is seperate? I don't know much of this period but, I think I have to agree with you. The colours used in this dress are awful. Light purple or pink for the dress and roses, and white for the lace, will look a lot better. I also think that the sleeves are a little to big and puffy. What kind of fabrick would they have used? Silk or also other fabricks? Greetings, Deredere --------------080800030609040803020403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Quite period I'm afraid although the Victorian versions were a good bit more attractive.Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most were either fabric or wax and rather realistic.

While I can't see the bertha area very well in the pic,I do feel she is missing the standard ribbon and lace version to create the mid 19thC Victorian look

Its pretty close actually but still a translation.viz. what 'we' the consumers would believe they wore.The skirt is a tad too stiff for 1851 - probably got hoops under it when petticoats should fill it out.The puffed over-skirt is a take-off of a Worth design and the scale of the lace trim and the scalloped edge is wrong.The fit of the bodice seems more current than Victorian - it should fit without wrinkles and sit ontop of the voluminous skirts. You mean that the bodice is seperate?
I don't know much of this period but, I think I have to agree with you. The colours used in this dress are awful. Light purple or pink for the dress and roses,  and white for the lace, will look a lot better. I also think that the sleeves are a little to big and puffy. What kind of fabrick would they have used? Silk or also other fabricks?

Greetings,
        Deredere
--------------080800030609040803020403-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 15:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31808 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KR5l9018376; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KR0cJ000770; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f12.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KQscJ000652 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:26:49 -0800 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:26:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 20:26:49.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[A36FF590:01C29C9C] Subject: [h-cost] 1851 pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:26:48 -0800 Status: RO I believe the colors of that pattern were chosen for the occasion. That pattern is being sold as a 15th birthday spanish gown. I can't spell that word, but it's a big deal on a girls big birthday to have a ball etc. and that is the advertising on this pattern. It may have been taken from the fashion plate, but I don't think it was intended for authenticity enthusiasts. http://64.4.36.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=115aa2ad37213ab2cc1fa1d1d2edf3fc&lat=1039119406&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ecostumes%2eorg%2fhistory%2fvictorian%2fwomen%2ffashionplates%2fgrahams1851b%2ejpg Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 15:30:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31838 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KT8l9018939; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KT8cJ002204; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KSZcJ001866 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from ANALYSIS.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.86]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gB5KSZx15476 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021205121110.02c99100@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie In-Reply-To: <189.1205c350.2b2109ff@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1340703==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Acheson's bee dress was: My Favorite Orlando Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:19:56 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_1340703==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:58 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/5/2002 10:48:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, >nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > >Y'know "Dangerous Liaisons" is not correctly costumed either...in reality. >The story is supposed to be in the late 1780s or 90s, if I remember >correctly. Why did James Acheson put it in mid century? [and the director >let him do what he wanted] He wanted it to be non-political. The real >story has French Revolution overtones. He thought the screen play was >distilled down to be more about the characters and love play. So he >designed what he called "Coffee Table book" gowns....gorgeous to look at. >Still, they tell some things about the characters. That yellow & black >carriage outfit is beautiful but somehow conveys a sense of hypocrisy. The >color is somehow trying too much. [does that make sense?] The >artificiality of Glenn Close's "hooting" gown clearly says it all. Why did he use 19th c lace on the caps when he wanted to shop around longer for 18th c pieces to use? I've been told it had to do with a lack of available time. He had to have the whole design done in 6 weeks. This one I know. The yellow and black visiting dress is intended to resemble a bee's coloring. She was going to be stirring the hornet's nest - busy as a bee >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_1340703==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 02:58 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/2002 10:48:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:

Y'know "Dangerous Liaisons" is not correctly costumed either...in reality. The story is supposed to be in the late 1780s or 90s, if I remember correctly. Why did James Acheson put it in mid century? [and the director let him do what he wanted] He wanted it to be non-political. The real story has French Revolution overtones. He thought the screen play was distilled down to be more about the characters and love play. So he designed what he called "Coffee Table book" gowns....gorgeous to look at. Still, they tell some things about the characters. That yellow & black carriage outfit is beautiful but somehow conveys a sense of hypocrisy. The color is somehow trying too much. [does that make sense?] The artificiality of Glenn Close's "hooting" gown clearly says it all.

Why did he use 19th c lace on the caps when he wanted to shop around longer for 18th c pieces to use? I've been told it had to do with a lack of available time. He had to have the whole design done in 6 weeks.

This one I know. The yellow and black visiting dress is intended to resemble a bee's coloring. She was going to be stirring the hornet's nest - busy as a bee >; )

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis
--=====================_1340703==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 16:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32042 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LM3l9027338; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LM1QB004700; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LLlQB004555 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA18153 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212052143.NAA18153@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) Status: RO mabse@attbi.com wrote: > He is also a fencer and is going to take traditional > Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume that this is the same as > a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for patterns for traditional Japanese > fencing garb? I thought I would make him a costume for his trip. > Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much limited > to silk? Does anyone know anything about historic Japanese dress. Maybe this > will lead me to some research on Questia. Look at this page to see what is typically worn for Kendo (japanese fencing): http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/kensamun.html The keikogi and hakama are worn for kata (slow, posed exercises), the padded armor for actual fencing with shinai. Kata are done with wooden boken, often quite heavy to build up the arm muscles. Historic costume is great, but actual fencing gear is a better idea if he wants to take classes. My husband used to be very active before he destroyed his knee while practicing on astroturf in college. He still does kata with boken and sai (those weird three-pronged metal knives). In fact, I bought him a new set of sai for our anniversary last year. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 16:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32057 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:25:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LO4l9027625; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LO3QB006109; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LNiQB005872 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip2.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.2]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB5LNcZ04500 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DEF522B.522.27EB0F2B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021205.133841.-179017.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:18:35 -0800 Status: RO > Well, it looks like I can get away with the cartridge pleats > after all. I just don't feel like doing the math required for knife > or box pleats. I hadn't planned to start the pleating until almost > the side of the garment anyway, so all the tips seem to work out to > doing it the way I wanted to. Thanks bunches. Don't know why I am > being so fussy about a gown made of pink polished cotton anyhow. That > alone makes it totally wrong. But it is pretty. But it is a learning experience too. Perhaps you are considering this a "usable" mockup? (I deliberately make my mockups out of plain black fabric so that all it takes, if the pattern works, is to put a little trim on it and I have a wearable dress.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 16:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32079 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:31:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LU6l9028323; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LU3QB009884; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LT7QB009291 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA18274 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212052151.NAA18274@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:51:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Kate Pinner > > According to my daughter, you can dye hair with KoolAid It's true. We used to do that before all the new funky-colored dyes became available. Purples and reds took the best. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 16:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32114 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Lf5l9029583; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Lf1wF016268; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LdIQB015209 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f95.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.149]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF6CC5EE482 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:39:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c29ca7$0ead8700$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <7C506C3B-0893-11D7-9A39-0003936A9570@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:41:23 +0100 Status: RO I want a grey wig with 2 rolls on each side, and a bag in the neck. It is to match my fully embroidered court suit wich i have finished all the embroidery for. It only needs to be sewn together. Time? 1770ies Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcus findlay-arthur" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link > Hello Bjarne, > > Long time no chat! > > > Are you planning to have a wig made for you? > > Absolutely! > Nicole looks so fab and it sounds so easy that I figure I may as well > help the reenactment authenticity bit a long a bit.I need something to > fill out my turbans!besides my big head that is!!! : >>> > > > So am i, and i am going to use it in april, so perhaps i should contakt > > him > > two, to be sure to get one in time! > > I don't have a deadline and if this move to Ireland goes thru',I can > still get to the UK easily. > You do 18thC don't you for your own stuff don't you?What sort of wig did > you have in mind? > > Marcus. > Who could just possibly go 18thC with a little temptation. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 16:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32121 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Li8l9000141; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Li1wF018162; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5LhqwF018033 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:43:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA19337 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212052205.OAA19337@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:05:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > I don't know much of this period but, I think I have to agree with you. > The colours used in this dress are awful. Light purple or pink for the > dress and roses, and white for the lace, will look a lot better. I also > think that the sleeves are a little to big and puffy. What kind of > fabrick would they have used? Silk or also other fabricks? Unfortunately, the victorians _loved_ color combinations that we would consider hideous. I saw a very similar dress made up in violet and fuschia. It was horrible, but very, very period. Somewhere, I have a book that a writer from the period bemoans english women's lack of taste in colors. Since all the photos we have from the period are black and white, we sometimes forget what colors were actually used. I've seen plenty of dresses from that period that combine colors like brown and blue and purple all in the same dress. I agree the roses are too bright, they'd probably be a more realistic color. However, the big pattern companies do their designs with availability of trims in mind. You _can_ find better roses, but you have to hunt a bit. One other oddity of victorian ballgowns is that often the flowers in the hair were artificial, but the flowers on the gown might be real. The exact opposite of what we'd do. They also liked doing things like combining lace and fur trims in a manner that we'd find hideous. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32212 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5M4Dl9002678; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5M41wF000252; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5M3WwF029869 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA19436 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:25:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212052225.OAA19436@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Trains & skirt lifters (WAS Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:25:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Kendra Van Cleave" wrote: > Re: the comment that skirts shouldn't trail on the ground for dancing: > > Yes, but there was a period in the mid- to late-1870's when trains were de > rigeur for ALL skirts. There were tons of complaints that women wore > loooong trains when out walking, which ended up trailing in the mud. Part of that was snobbery. A fine lady was supposed to have a carriage. ;} > I do agree that most modern day dancers don't have an idea about floorcraft, > but my guess is that balls could be just as crowded in the 19th century as > they are today at the Gaskell ball. Possibly not, unless recent Gaskell balls have been much less crowded than when I quit attending a couple years back. People were more likely to sit out and talk. > So how did women deal with trains when dancing? Were skirt lifters used, or > did they hold their skirt up, or did people know to avoid them, or were the > dances written in such a way as to incorporate the trains? Has anyone seen > any period images of women with skirt lifters (either metal ones, loops sewn > to the skirt, or someone just holding up their skirt while dancing)? The major hazard was not your _partner_, but everyone else on the floor stepping on your skirts. Especially with turning dances where one often has one's back to the line of dance. If one really does turn 180 degrees with each set of steps (instead of the quarter turns many people employ), your skirt train will whip around towards your ankles rather than the floor. However, on a crowded floor, it's very difficult to do this. I have memories of actually leaping over other ladies' skirts while negotiating the floor. > I'm just wondering how the ladies in "Too Early" got around the floor > without massive damage! > http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/tissot/p-tissot16.htm They didn't. I've also seen the comments about destroyed and ruined dresses. However, if _you_ don't want to have to rebuild your skirt every time you wear it (goodness gracious, you're wearing a ballgown more than once! scandalous!), you might consider a wrist loop. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32277 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:18:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MC3l9003471; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MC2wF004742; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41210.mail.yahoo.com (web41210.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5MBTwF004458 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:11:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205221124.7818.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:11:24 PST From: Sheila W-S Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021205185401.5247.46228.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:11:24 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question >>Well, it looks like I can get away with the cartridge >>pleats after all. I just don't feel like doing the math >>required for knife or box pleats. I hadn't planned to >>start the pleating until almost the side of the garment >>anyway, so all the tips seem to work out to doing it the >>way I wanted to. Thanks bunches. Don't know why I am >>being so fussy about a gown made of pink polished cotton >>anyhow. That alone makes it totally wrong. But it is >>pretty. I don't use cartridge pleats on Tudor gowns, after reading Sarah L. Goodman's article on Farthingales and Bumrolls.... http://www.elizabethanlady.com/farthingales.html I looked at her pictures and the the holbein tudor lady (shown at the bottom) and don't believe that these pleats were done by cartridge pleating. I think it was knife pleats that were lined/stuffed and stacked on top of each other to give that layered look. Also I don't use math to do my knife or box pleats. I simple pin the ends of my skirt to my bodice, pin the center back and the middle of the skirt. Then I find the middle of the bodice at these points, and the middle of the skirt at these points and pin them. I continue to half the skirt and bodice until its small enough to pleat and then I start at one end and lay down the folds of material and pin them. Instant and evenly spaced pleats without having to use a measuring tape. YMMV, Sheila Phoenix, AZ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32334 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MUXl9005560; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MUXwF015422; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MTXwF014859 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.7b.3be0b73 (3874) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:27:42 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3be0b73.2b212cde@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.3be0b73.2b212cde_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 Subject: [h-cost] how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:27:42 EST Status: RO --part1_7b.3be0b73.2b212cde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Guys: Anybody have any idea how many of us there are on the h-cost mailing list? Thanks for your best guestimates, Julia --part1_7b.3be0b73.2b212cde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Guys:
Anybody have any idea how many of us there are on the h-cost mailing list?
Thanks for your best guestimates,
Julia --part1_7b.3be0b73.2b212cde_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32338 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:32:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MUfl9005587; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MUewF015507; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB5MS8wF014087 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021205222807.27871.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:28:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002001c29ca7$0ead8700$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:28:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I want a grey wig with 2 rolls on each side, and a bag in the neck. It is to > match my fully embroidered court suit wich i have finished all the > embroidery for. It only needs to be sewn together. > Time? 1770ies Then I do suggest to contact derek, don't forget to mention that I sent you, Nicole with the 1660s wig and the 1700 wig for the fontange and with ben's 1700 periwig where the first one got thrown out by Colin mistakenly and we had to shell out 300 quid for a second one. ;-) He'll know then... :-))) He's lovely, a pleasure to work with. expensive, but hey, quality doesn't come cheap, and on top of it all he is SUCH a nice chap. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32346 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MU5l9005443; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MU3wF015152; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MTGwF014721 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:29:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K4Ud-0006Ca-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEFD302.CB57E1F6@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Aquitaine References: <3DEF062F.F5D2EA66@earthlink.net> <3DEF147F.1000704@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:28:18 -0600 Status: RO Theresa Eacker wrote: > an overhead view: > http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/1044/eleanor.html Of the three, this is closest to what I need. I just wish it were bigger. :) Thanks, --Charlene -- Official sign near door: Door Alarmed. Hand-printed sign nearby: Window frightened. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32422 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:53:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Mq2l9007875; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Mq1wF027236; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MpjwF027073 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-58-249-115.s115.tnt1.nwhv.ct.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.249.115] helo=rcn.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18K4qN-0005Wt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEFD880.2AC99F7C@rcn.com> From: Catelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN010799 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021205185401.5247.46228.Mailman@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dancing in Gowns with Trains Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:51:44 -0500 Status: RO > From: "Kendra Van Cleave" > Subject: Trains & skirt lifters (WAS Re: [h-cost] FO: 1874-77 evening reception dress) > > - Kendra > > From: "Melanie Wilson" > > >So how did women deal with trains when dancing? Were skirt lifters used, > or > did they hold their skirt up, or did people know to avoid them, > > Avoiding them is a bit plus I think, also you learn to dance in manner that > swishes them out of the way most of the time. > > > or were the > dances written in such a way as to incorporate the trains? > > Not from any I've done :) Too many backwards steps they can be tricky... I learned an 1860's waltz & an 1890's. The '60's waltz (no train) starts with the gentleman's back to the center of the floor & the lady's back towards the seat. Line of direction is 'over hands'. After three beats, the lady has her back to the center of the room & line of direction is 'over elbows'. All steps are forward or in place; nobody steps backwards. The 1890's waltz, when at least some ballgowns were trained, starts with the gentleman's back to line of direction. The dance starts with his taking a step backwards, two turning steps, and the lady then takes a step back. The turning should be neat enough that her train gets out of her way. I don't know when the transition took place, and I don't believe it would be possible to have a partial transition, although I am only an intermediate vintage dancer. Very early in my costuming, I made a vaguely Regency gown with a two foot train. I learned to dance a dos a' dos (do-si-do) fairly easily, because the train got out of my way enough. > Mel Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 17:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32433 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:54:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Mr3l9007994; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Mr2wF027798; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5MqEwF027340 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16423 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:00:50 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <7b.3be0b73.2b212cde@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:00:50 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 JAzo478796@aol.com wrote: > Anybody have any idea how many of us there are on the h-cost mailing list? According to the online info page, there are 303 regular and 164 on digest. There may be some duplicate subscriptions, of course. That's low. I seem to remember a time when we topped 800. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32535 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NF6l9010576; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NF4wF010188; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NEDwF009617 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:14:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from p49-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.207.177] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18K5C6-0004BP-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:14:11 +1300 Message-ID: <007d01c29cb4$04b803d0$b1cfadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:14:09 +1300 Status: RO > Quite period I'm afraid although the Victorian versions were a good bit > more attractive.Some frocks did incorporate fresh flowers but most were > either fabric or wax and rather realistic. Not quite the same decade but in Fashion and Reality (or Edwardian and Victorian Fashion a photographic survey depending on whether you have the original book or the Dover reprint) the author mentions that at time fake flowers were used in the hair and real one on the dress. That was about the 1870s though. I don't know her source, but it was interesting;) I know wax orange blossoms can still be found on hair pieces froma bit later on... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32549 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:17:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NG3l9010823; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NG2wF010802; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NF6wF010207 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O00IB25UANB@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O00GAR5UAF2@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-80-195-62.gv.shawcable.net [24.80.195.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O0015D5U9G2@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0700 (MST) From: kris Subject: Drinks as dye - Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question In-reply-to: <007301c29c4b$daec6180$8a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> X-Sender: ionization@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205151225.00b2d350@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:13:29 -0800 Status: RO >Over here, I have heard of quilters using Kool Aid to dye fabrics. Don't >know how well it would work, or how fast it would be, but I think I would >prefer to use more reliable methods. Kool Aid works really well on wool. My friend made a grape and lemonade plaid shawl for a class project :] they still smell fruity, but the colors have lasted 4 or 5 washings. kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32563 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NJ1l9011472; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NJ0wF012749; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NIVwF012423 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:18:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from p49-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.207.177] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18K5GH-0003R5-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:18:29 +1300 Message-ID: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:18:27 +1300 Status: RO > According to the online info page, there are 303 regular and 164 on > digest. There may be some duplicate subscriptions, of course. I was just at the page last night looking for some archives (which are impossible to find on the site btw. I even looked at info pages for other lists to see if I could find the right directory to no avail). michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32620 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:39:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NYAl9013635; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NY2wF021362; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NXJwF020834 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB5NtlYc011970; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:55:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB5NtkGJ011968; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:55:46 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Jane Williams" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DEF09F5.23377.26852753@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3DEF09F5.23377.26852753@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212051855.46481.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB5NXJwF020834 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:55:46 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 05 December 2002 03:10 am, Jane Williams wrote: > On 4 Dec 2002 at 18:54, Kate Pinner wrote: > > Me: [text cut here] > Well, a courgette is a baby marrow, so yes, sort of. > Courgettes are up to say 10 inches long and about > an inch thick. Marrows are say 18 inches long and > maybe six inches thick. Same plant, though > different varieties get bred for the two purposes. And > then there's the prize-winning Giant Marrows for > village flower shows, about which many jokes are > made. > > I've always been told that if an American recipe talks > about "zucchini", you should use courgette. What > size do you think a zucchini is? Maybe I've been > getting it wrong. The zucchinis I see in supermarkets near me are in the range between what you've called courgettes and what you've called marrows. (Personally, I don't eat them myself, so that's all the data I have.) -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32687 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:56:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5No4l9015411; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5No2wF000928; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NnUwF000471 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:49:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NphYv020512 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:51:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3DEFE67C.7040607@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Aquitaine References: <3DEF062F.F5D2EA66@earthlink.net> <3DEF147F.1000704@misc.com> <3DEFD302.CB57E1F6@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:51:24 -0800 Status: RO To Charlene- I just transferred the graphic to Appleworks, used the drawing feature and stretched to a much bigger size. Do you have anything available like that? Hope that helps, Theresa Eacker Charlene Charette wrote: > Theresa Eacker wrote: > > >>an overhead view: >>http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/1044/eleanor.html >> > > Of the three, this is closest to what I need. I just wish it were > bigger. :) > > Thanks, > --Charlene > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 18:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32701 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Nw2l9016296; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5Nw1wF005273; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NvuwF005177 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:57:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB60KEYc012130; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:20:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB60K8l0012127; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:20:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Deredere & Owen Iskander Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DEF567E.6050006@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3DEF567E.6050006@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212051920.08531.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB5NvuwF005177 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:20:08 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:37 am, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone noticed that the new Simplicity pattern 5724 looks a lot like > the dress in a fashion plate from 1851... :-) > http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/grahams1851b. >jpg http://www.simplicity.com/s2b.htm My guess is that it was intentional. Simplicity has been doing a growing line of patterns intended to be used to reproduce historic styles. My impression is that the patterns are only generically period in flavor and not terribly accurate. 5724 appears to be better than most to me, except the shape of the bodice looks slightly wrong, somehow.... -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32723 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:08:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6074l9017048; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6072wF009837; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (mta6-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JhTcJ004539 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:43:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.8.191]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205194327.TLLK21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:43:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021205081033.20388.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:39:22 +0000 Status: RO > Nonsense to your nonsense, because there are MANY points of view. Okay, > so > don't have a clue about clothing of the 19th c. and don't care either, Well the Designers were 'creative' but it was a movie and not an historical reenactment event based on fact. > and yes > I would probably hate it if they did something horrendeous to 17th c. > clothing, Very probable.I feel that way about badly constructed or inaccurate representations of my own favourite period. > I personally took Dracula as totally fantasy, and that's why I adored > the > costumes, absolutely adored them. Am with you on this one.I thought it was wonderful and would be proud to claim the work if I'd ever done it.Loved it them and I realised recently when it was on the 'box' again that I still love it.Its up there with 'Dangerous Liaisons' for sheer visual treats in my book. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32727 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:08:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB607Gl9017077; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB607GwF009969; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5NrUwF002606 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.24.13]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021205235327.GYFX15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:53:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32@aol.com> Message-Id: <8FC0BBDB-08B4-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] 1851 model for Simplicity pattern - skirt,got it! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:49:22 +0000 Status: RO Its like those Scarlett O' Hara collector dolls that were around a few years ago - the green muslin number that flares out to the ankles in rows of frills as I remember. In 1851 the crinoline wasn't actually available and women depended upon several layers of petticoats to achieve the bell shape.Thats the issue - the skirt doesn't 'bell' properly for the period.The fall of the petticoats,say some eight in all of various weights and fabrics would bloom out from the waist and at mid thigh measure would fall down to the floor in heavier folds,not flare smoothly.With the standard 18 yard measure in the hem line of a summer frock in taffetta or mouseline you get these fab,rich folds of fabric that whisper when moved by the wearer. Thinking back to the examples that I saw in the various South African museums when I was Victorian-mad and the Worth examples at the Met,this is a later pattern intended for a crinoline. The Simplicity pic spreads out almost conically like an 1861-1864 silhouette. Do I envy you!!! A silk and paper 1840's bonnet! You should see the skill some of the later ribbon work used for floral decoration - astounding.You want to smell them in some instances.Really,really beautiful and of course lost with all the frou frou going on. The over skirt is also a later fashion feature and had something to do with the Pompadour craze which was later than '51 by a few years,five to seven years max,if I remember my fashion plates but I am open to correction on this point.For most of the 50's the skirt shape was bell,full and weighty around the feet.Sort of like a Lely or Van Dyke would be wrong without the folds. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32731 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6082l9017153; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6081wF010363; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB607dwF010196 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.24.13]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021206000737.HGWI15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:07:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model - bodice,sleeve & betha Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-699835037 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DEFB1E7.9000604@kabelfoon.nl> Message-Id: <750C4555-08B6-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:02:57 +0000 Status: RO --Apple-Mail-1-699835037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dereder, Whether the bodice would be separate would depend upon where it was made and for what function.French fashion was more formal and thus separate bodices were common for Court or Socially prominent events.Not so in England or the USA to the same extent. Generally the bodice is made up separately and attached to the skirt on the top of the pleats and gathers.It looks separate but isn't.(Morning or afternoon frocks usually have a round waist but evening gowns tend to have the regular front and back boned points to the waist of the bodice. I'd also say that the sleeve is a tad large if being used for a historic pattern.It should fit a bit closer to the arm so that the bertha would fit over it smoothly and emphasize the bosom and shoulders of the wearer. And this pattern really really screams for a bertha to be 1851. Marcus. --Apple-Mail-1-699835037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Dereder, Whether the bodice would be separate would depend upon where it was made and for what function.French fashion was more formal and thus separate bodices were common for Court or Socially prominent events.Not so in England or the USA to the same extent. Generally the bodice is made up separately and attached to the skirt on the top of the pleats and gathers.It looks separate but isn't.(Morning or afternoon frocks usually have a round waist but evening gowns tend to have the regular front and back boned points to the waist of the bodice. I'd also say that the sleeve is a tad large if being used for a historic pattern.It should fit a bit closer to the arm so that the bertha would fit over it smoothly and emphasize the bosom and shoulders of the wearer. And this pattern really really screams for a bertha to be 1851. Marcus. --Apple-Mail-1-699835037-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32741 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6093l9017245; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6092wF010916; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB608hwF010762 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB608hKK010758 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:43 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021205170842.F2601@net.indra.com> References: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:43 -0700 Status: RO > I was just at the page last night looking for some archives (which are > impossible to find on the site btw. I even looked at info pages for other > lists to see if I could find the right directory to no avail). > > michaela Here's the text as it appears on http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume To search by keyword, use Eric Praetzel's searchable archive at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives Eric made some changes to the search method a few months ago that speed the search but reduce your ability to search to just the name and subject line ... not much use for many questions. I use the "old" search function, which I believe is still available from his main search page, and I hope it stays that way. Be as specific as you can in your search term (you can pick only one), and you'll get faster searches if you do only one year's worth of posts at a time. The results are grouped by month, so when you click on one of the search results, you'll get that whole month's worth of postings -- a big download, but useful for reading whole threads. -- Method 2: For older archives (1993-1996), go to Franchesca Havas' site at http://www.io.com/~ches/h-costume/ . You can ftp or download zipped files. I'm not sure if Ches has later archives too. I hope *someone* is keeping them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00358 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60SEl9018992; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60SDwF020116; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60RZwF019865 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:27:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.24.13]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021206002733.HVMW15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:27:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002001c29ca7$0ead8700$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <4F3EE817-08B9-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:23:22 +0000 Status: RO On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 09:41 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I want a grey wig with 2 rolls on each side, and a bag in the neck. It > is to > match my fully embroidered court suit wich i have finished all the > embroidery for. It only needs to be sewn together. > Time? 1770ies Very nice indeed.Keep me posted.Mine will be much simpler since I need it to roll and coil up under the turbans.Promise to have pics taken. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:32:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00375 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:32:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60V1l9019228; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60V0wF021473; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60U8wF021062 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.191.115f4b83 (24895) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <191.115f4b83.2b21497e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1851 pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_191.115f4b83.2b21497e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:29:50 EST Status: RO --part1_191.115f4b83.2b21497e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, distantdesigns@hotmail.com writes: > That > pattern is being sold as a 15th birthday spanish gown. I can't spell that > word, but it's a big deal on a girls big birthday to have a ball etc. and > that is the advertising on this pattern. Ah! A quinciera dress! That makes sense. Interesting, though. In these parts, those dresses tend to be intense pastels (if there is such a thing--you know, saturated lavender, pink, etc.) Ann Wass --part1_191.115f4b83.2b21497e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, distantdesigns@hotmail.com writes:

That
pattern is being sold as a 15th birthday spanish gown.  I can't spell that
word, but it's a big deal on a girls big birthday to have a ball etc. and
that is the advertising on this pattern.


Ah! A quinciera dress!  That makes sense.  Interesting, though.  In these parts, those dresses tend to be intense pastels (if there is such a thing--you know, saturated lavender, pink, etc.)
Ann Wass --part1_191.115f4b83.2b21497e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00379 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60T1l9019103; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60T0wF020583; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60SYwF020297 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O00JY29BGDI@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:28:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DEFEEF2.6020804@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Another question about pleats then Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:27:30 -0600 Status: RO What type of pleat did they use when they were making men's skirted jerkins? Were those organ pleats then? I do not see how a knife pleat could create those wonderful conical pleats we see in the portraiture and woodcuts? I know a seamstress that refuses to make the skirts on the circle so she makes rolled/squashed organ pleats to make the hemline portion of the skirts full enough. But they make enourmous bulk at the waist if using a heavy fabric. (which would support the theory that stuffed and organ pleating was done in the women's gowns). -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:32:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00384 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60S2l9018965; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60S1wF020024; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60R2wF019524 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.14c.1869531e (24895) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <14c.1869531e.2b2148cb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14c.1869531e.2b2148cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:26:51 EST Status: RO --part1_14c.1869531e.2b2148cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are > hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures. > > Pictures? Ann Wass --part1_14c.1869531e.2b2148cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:

I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures.



Pictures?
Ann Wass --part1_14c.1869531e.2b2148cb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00533 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60cHl9019754; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60cFwF024572; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60bNwF024185 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB60xlYc012297; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:59:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB60xiQ1012295; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:59:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, mabse@attbi.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212051959.44205.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB60bNwF024185 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:59:44 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:28 am, mabse@attbi.com wrote: > just a warning - my son had this same fascination, and now I am paying for > a college junior year abroad in Japan. (and happy to do it, just want you > to know where it can lead). He is also a fencer and is going to take > traditional Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume that > this is the same as a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for patterns > for traditional Japanese fencing garb? I thought I would make him a > costume for his trip. As I notice some of the other list members have mentioned, martial arts stores sell kendo uniforms that would be more appropriate for his purposes. > Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much > limited to silk? Modern kendo uniforms are made of cotton. To my knowledge, historic Japanese dress did not use linen at all (I have no idea if it grows in Japan or not, suspect the answer is "not.") My recollection is that they didn't use cotton much either before about the 16th century. Before then, the well off wore silk, the peasants wore hemp or ramie or other bast fibers. I suspect that the only folk in Japan who wore wool traditionally were the Ainu (the Caucasian tribes in northern Japan). This is from my general costume reading. I'm fairly but not 100% sure of the above. There is a nice site on noble Japanese dress at http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/ -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00595 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:43:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60g5l9019965; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60g0wF026024; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60fkwF025942 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:41:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip195.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.195]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB60ffZ15128 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another question about pleats then Message-ID: <3DEF8092.8034.28A05969@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DEFEEF2.6020804@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:36:34 -0800 Status: RO > What type of pleat did they use when they were making men's skirted > jerkins? Were those organ pleats then? I do not see how a knife > pleat could create those wonderful conical pleats we see in the > portraiture and woodcuts? I know a seamstress that refuses to make the > skirts on the circle so she makes rolled/squashed organ pleats to make > the hemline portion of the skirts full enough. But they make > enourmous bulk at the waist if using a heavy fabric. (which would > support the theory that stuffed and organ pleating was done in the > women's gowns). In Alcega's Tailor's Book 1589 (such as f.30) they show them cut on the curve. That would take some of the bulk out of it and make the pleats more conical. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00720 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:51:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60o4l9020340; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60o1wF029080; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60nNwF028715 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.139.18885348 (3866) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <139.18885348.2b214def@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.18885348.2b214def_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:48:47 EST Status: RO --part1_139.18885348.2b214def_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > >> I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They >> are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow >> pastures. >> >> > > Pictures? > I have 4 or 5 boxes in the attic with 1840s or so bonnets in them. They are all rotten and not repairable...to my mind anyway....but I save them for their wealth of decoration ideas. For example: One bonnet gets it's shape from a wire frame and is covered with little strips of grey silk organdy....that tend to roll up into little tubes. These are woven over the frame and big gunch of loops of these tubes decorate one side. I wonder if the MET would want them....or some educational institution [FIT? Parsons?] because they are really falling apart. But then you get to see the insides! I want to archive these but really don't know what the hell to do. I'm no bonnet expert. I can take pictures now that I have a digital camera. [But let me do the chemises 1st, will ya????!] This may be a good project after the holidays. Patience, please. --part1_139.18885348.2b214def_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes:



I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures.



Pictures?


I have 4 or 5 boxes in the attic with 1840s or so bonnets in them. They are all rotten and not repairable...to my mind anyway....but I save them for their wealth of decoration ideas.  For example: One bonnet gets it's shape from a wire frame and is covered with little strips of grey silk organdy....that tend to roll up into little tubes. These are woven over the frame and big gunch of loops of these tubes decorate one side.

I wonder if the MET would want them....or some educational institution [FIT? Parsons?] because they are really falling apart. But then you get to see the insides!

I want to archive these but really don't know what the hell to do. I'm no bonnet expert. I can take pictures now that I have a digital camera. [But let me do the chemises 1st, will ya????!] This may be a good project after the holidays.

Patience, please. --part1_139.18885348.2b214def_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 19:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00743 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60p1l9020422; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60p1wF029542; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60oNwF029250 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:50:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB61CqYc012397; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:12:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB61CqBd012395; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:12:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1851 pattern User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <191.115f4b83.2b21497e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <191.115f4b83.2b21497e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212052012.51937.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB60oNwF029250 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:12:51 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 05 December 2002 07:29 pm, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > distantdesigns@hotmail.com writes: > > That > > pattern is being sold as a 15th birthday spanish gown. I can't spell > > that word, but it's a big deal on a girls big birthday to have a ball > > etc. and that is the advertising on this pattern. > > Ah! A quinciera dress! That makes sense. Interesting, though. In these > parts, those dresses tend to be intense pastels (if there is such a > thing--you know, saturated lavender, pink, etc.) That would certainly explain the color scheme of the example....but I didn't think that quinciera dresses were floor length. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00781 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6141l9021246; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6140wF004822; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB613gwF004733 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:03:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.10.2]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021206010339.HVLO21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:03:39 +0000 Subject: The Met!!!!Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-703232307 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <139.18885348.2b214def@aol.com> Message-Id: <5DFA9B24-08BE-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:59:34 +0000 Status: RO --Apple-Mail-2-703232307 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The Met really looks after their stuff if they can salvage it and could=20= use it for instructional purposes.I studied at FIT and didn't find them=20= too careful back then. Marcus. On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 12:48 am, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > > > I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They=20= > are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow=20 > pastures. > > > > Pictures? > > > > I have 4 or 5 boxes in the attic with 1840s or so bonnets in them. = They=20 > are all rotten and not repairable...to my mind anyway....but I save=20 > them for their wealth of decoration ideas. =A0For example: One bonnet=20= > gets it's shape from a wire frame and is covered with little strips of=20= > grey silk organdy....that tend to roll up into little tubes. These are=20= > woven over the frame and big gunch of loops of these tubes decorate = one=20 > side. > > I wonder if the MET would want them....or some educational institution=20= > [FIT? Parsons?] because they are really falling apart. But then you = get=20 > to see the insides! > > I want to archive these but really don't know what the hell to do. I'm=20= > no bonnet expert. I can take pictures now that I have a digital = camera.=20 > [But let me do the chemises 1st, will ya????!] This may be a good=20 > project after the holidays. > > Patience, please. > --Apple-Mail-2-703232307 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Met really looks after their stuff if they can salvage it and could use it for instructional purposes.I studied at FIT and didn't find them too careful back then. Marcus. On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 12:48 am, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 12/5/2002 7:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: I have an 1840s bonnet with silk and paper morning glories on it. They are hand made and look real. Like the kind you see on fences in cow pastures. 0000,0000,0000Pictures? I have 4 or 5 boxes in the attic with 1840s or so bonnets in them. They are all rotten and not repairable...to my mind anyway....but I save them for their wealth of decoration ideas. =A0For example: One bonnet gets it's shape from a wire frame and is covered with little strips of grey silk organdy....that tend to roll up into little tubes. These are woven over the frame and big gunch of loops of these tubes decorate one side. I wonder if the MET would want them....or some educational institution [FIT? Parsons?] because they are really falling apart. But then you get to see the insides! I want to archive these but really don't know what the hell to do. I'm no bonnet expert. I can take pictures now that I have a digital camera. [But let me do the chemises 1st, will ya????!] This may be a good project after the holidays. Patience, please. = --Apple-Mail-2-703232307-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00824 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KSl9022164; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KSwF010843; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61JIwF010392 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.239.60]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O006YBBO4IK@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating and cold weather In-reply-to: <3DED9CA8.72AC8C6C@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021205140951.00cb8c60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021203142611.238E91E2349@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DED7D73.604@Spamcop.Net> <00ce01c29b54$209fd8e0$a2432ad8@infoblvd.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:22:28 -0800 Status: RO >It sounds almost like you're >combining costume and non-costume elements to stay warm. Where are you, >by the way? We've had a couple of weeks of nothing but sub-freezing >temps and ice fogs. Ugh. Very dreary. I've been starting on my winter >projects--I'm making a fitted gown for an upcoming competition, learning >tablet-weaving, and planning on getting around to making some garments >inspired by the ones in the Mannesse Codex (for next summer's tourney >season). What's everyone else doing? Sitting here in my t-shirt-sleeves, wondering if I want to put my shoes on before going outside, or not. The thermostat says it's 72 degrees in here, so I don't know if the heater is on or not. It hasn't rained (not enough to notice anyway) for several weeks now. I love capes, cloaks, and coats, but the weather here is such that I roast in them most of the year. At Dickens' Fair last week (indoors), I sweated profusely in my lower-class day dress, single petticoat, chemise and corset, tucker, knee-high stockings, apron, and cap, all of cotton. And we're supposed to add bonnets and wraps when we go from an area supposed to be indoors to one supposed to be outdoors. The guys in frock coats and morning coats suffer the worst. Last year we had to turn the building heaters on a couple of times, but this year nobody has even suggested it. We're doing London in late December here in San Francisco. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00828 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KPl9022148; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KOwF010814; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61JHwH010376 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.239.60]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O006YBBO4IK@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swaddling In-reply-to: <20021204.071904.-153497.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021205135721.050c0950@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:57:52 -0800 Status: RO >I confess total ignorance when it comes to babies, but isn't a certain >amount of crying necessary for the healthy development of an infant's >lungs? Nope. In many cultures, babies cry very little. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00830 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61K5l9022135; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61K2wF010702; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61JHwF010376 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.239.60]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O006YBBO4IK@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:19:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: Mrs. Weasley (was Re: [h-cost] Gilderoy Lockhart In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021205135211.050bb740@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021129200731.04be4d80@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:53:50 -0800 Status: RO >Anyone have a picture of the second Mrs. Weasley sweater? Sounds >interesting to me, but when I saw the movie, I was between 12 hour shifts of >work, got 3 hours sleep and back to work, so I missed a few details. I >guess I'm gonna just have to see it again soon to see what I missed in my >sleep-deprived befuddled state. No. But at least it is all crochet. And I'm sure I've seen the stitch pattern at some point, like in a 1970s crochet-patterns book. I just saw it in a shawl recently, somewhere. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00836 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KVl9022183; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61KVwF010867; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61JJwF010396 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.239.60]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6O006YBBO4IK@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question In-reply-to: <3DEE8465.10163.247B6DDC@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021205142949.050c2a20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3DEE0F10.28105.22FCBF9E@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:32:51 -0800 Status: RO > > And we have the occasional British squash such as Ribena. (Yum. My > > favorite, although you have to hunt to find it, usually only in > > specialty stores and only the concentrate.) > > > > Mostly we just call ours "juice". > >Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange >squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange >flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C >to convince you it's healthy. > >Still, it helps drown the taste of the fluoride in the tap >water :) Squash, to an American, is a vegetable like pumpkin or zucchini (there are 10 or 20 different kinds available here in California). Squash, to someone in the UK is the juice from a squashed fruit, plus water, sugar, etc. Lemon squash (UK) = lemonade (US). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 20:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00919 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:39:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61c3l9023141; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61c1wF016823; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61bqwF016729 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.131.18048e66 (3866) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:37:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <131.18048e66.2b215966@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131.18048e66.2b215966_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:37:42 EST Status: RO --part1_131.18048e66.2b215966_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:08:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mangal.kalima@virgin.net writes: > Well the Designers were 'creative' but it was a movie and not an > historical reenactment event based on fact. > Ahhhhh...but is was billed as a sort of historical event...BRAM STOKER'S Dracula. Never forget that. You are of course correct in thinking the clothes are beautiful. Alone they are. But as a design for a show they simply fail. Mina's [or is it Lucy?] wedding dress is a stunning costume. An intricate feast for the eyes. A beautiful Kabuki costume..... but what, other than being white, does it have to do with a wedding dress? And we have Dracula himself looking sometimes like an aging drag queen in a red Kimono with a beehive hair do [in Transsexual Traaaaaansivania!], next he's Leon Russell, Then he rises from the grave wearing a Klimpt painting. What is that? Where's the concept? It's just a jumble of a bunch of stuff the designer liked. It is bad design. Nice individual pieces, but bad design. Let her go do fashion. Leave the theatre to us. --part1_131.18048e66.2b215966_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:08:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mangal.kalima@virgin.net writes:


Well the Designers were 'creative' but it was a movie and not an
historical reenactment event based on fact.


Ahhhhh...but is was billed as a sort of historical event...BRAM STOKER'S Dracula. Never forget that.

You are of course correct in thinking the clothes are beautiful. Alone they are. But as a design for a show they simply fail. Mina's [or is it Lucy?] wedding dress is a stunning costume. An intricate feast for the eyes. A beautiful Kabuki costume..... but what, other than being white, does it have to do with a wedding dress? And we have Dracula himself looking sometimes like an aging drag queen in a red Kimono with a beehive hair do [in Transsexual Traaaaaansivania!], next he's Leon Russell, Then he rises from the grave wearing a Klimpt painting. What is that? Where's the concept? It's just a jumble of a bunch of stuff the designer liked. It is bad design. Nice individual pieces, but bad design. Let her go do fashion. Leave the theatre to us. --part1_131.18048e66.2b215966_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 22:19:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01283 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63I9l9029042; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63I1wF020601; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63HAwF020325 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:17:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-002mosloup121.dialsprint.net ([168.191.109.185] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K8zF-0002rf-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:17:10 -0500 Message-ID: <013a01c29cd6$3cc9fcc0$b96dbfa8@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Subject: [h-cost] Ethnic Eating Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:19:05 -0600 Status: RO Hi, playing catchup with digests again. I'm from Missouri, St. Louis area to be more precise. German background on both sides of my family. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 22:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01328 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:37:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63a4l9000918; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63a1wF026900; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB63ZfwF026778 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120603353500100acv1he>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:35:36 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021205192112.009ff3d0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: cathy@thyrsus.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present In-Reply-To: <200212051959.44205.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:25:49 -0800 Status: RO thanks all for the info. He has a fencing outfit, including the face protector and jacket and everything. I really was thinking more of a costume type traditional dress for dress up. there are real parallels with Penny's son. He also flunked Japanese last year and is a computer engineering major. the flunking Japanese didn't seem to discourage him. He comes home from UC Santa Cruz tomorrow and I can hardly wait. maryann At 07:59 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:28 am, mabse@attbi.com wrote: > > just a warning - my son had this same fascination, and now I am paying for > > a college junior year abroad in Japan. (and happy to do it, just want you > > to know where it can lead). He is also a fencer and is going to take > > traditional Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume that > > this is the same as a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for patterns > > for traditional Japanese fencing garb? I thought I would make him a > > costume for his trip. > >As I notice some of the other list members have mentioned, martial arts >stores >sell kendo uniforms that would be more appropriate for his purposes. > > > Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much > > limited to silk? > >Modern kendo uniforms are made of cotton. > >To my knowledge, historic Japanese dress did not use linen at all (I have no >idea if it grows in Japan or not, suspect the answer is "not.") My >recollection is that they didn't use cotton much either before about the 16th >century. Before then, the well off wore silk, the peasants wore hemp or >ramie or other bast fibers. I suspect that the only folk in Japan who wore >wool traditionally were the Ainu (the Caucasian tribes in northern Japan). > >This is from my general costume reading. I'm fairly but not 100% sure of the >above. There is a nice site on noble Japanese dress at > >http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/ > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." > --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 5 23:12:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01467 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB64B5l9002498; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB64B0wF008005; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB64AlwF007893 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.115] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A21D8564014C; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c29cdd$c3c70220$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <8FC0BBDB-08B4-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1851 model for Simplicity pattern - skirt,got it! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:12:59 -0500 Status: RO I think Marcus has hit the right line about the skirt shape being wrong. I would also question the bodice being attached to the skirt. I have a tow tiered silk skirt of this period that came with two bodices; one for evening and the other is more for daytime. One problem that I am having with these new 'historical' patterns is in the long waisted bodice meant for the modern body is usually out of proportion to the shorter waisted aesthetic of the time.Hence, the pattern designed to fit now always looks strange when compared with originals. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcus findlay-arthur" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1851 model for Simplicity pattern - skirt,got it! > Its like those Scarlett O' Hara collector dolls that were around a few > years ago - the green muslin number that flares out to the ankles in > rows of frills as I remember. > > In 1851 the crinoline wasn't actually available and women depended upon > several layers of petticoats to achieve the bell shape.Thats the issue - > the skirt doesn't 'bell' properly for the period.The fall of the > petticoats,say some eight in all of various weights and fabrics would > bloom out from the waist and at mid thigh measure would fall down to the > floor in heavier folds,not flare smoothly.With the standard 18 yard > measure in the hem line of a summer frock in taffetta or mouseline you > get these fab,rich folds of fabric that whisper when moved by the wearer. > > Thinking back to the examples that I saw in the various South African > museums when I was Victorian-mad and the Worth examples at the Met,this > is a later pattern intended for a crinoline. > > The Simplicity pic spreads out almost conically like an 1861-1864 > silhouette. > > Do I envy you!!! > A silk and paper 1840's bonnet! > You should see the skill some of the later ribbon work used for floral > decoration - astounding.You want to smell them in some > instances.Really,really beautiful and of course lost with all the frou > frou going on. > > The over skirt is also a later fashion feature and had something to do > with the Pompadour craze which was later than '51 by a few years,five to > seven years max,if I remember my fashion plates but I am open to > correction on this point.For most of the 50's the skirt shape was > bell,full and weighty around the feet.Sort of like a Lely or Van Dyke > would be wrong without the folds. > > Marcus. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 00:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01629 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:08:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6562l9005100; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6560wF025271; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB655JwF025028 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoQYRxuFvwucelyYhKsCKNyrAcMUZkHegg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKBSSKVD; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:05:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <20021206.000424.-179017.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-8 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:04:23 -0500 Status: RO <<>> Actually, that is exactly what I am doing. I don't want to cut into the good stuff until I know if it will work. And I had the pink fabric for a decorating project that I changed my mind on. Can't let good fabric go to waste and, like I said before, I like pink. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 00:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01772 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:24:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB65N3l9005834; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB65N1wF000874; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB65M4wF000526 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoQYRxuFvwuceQ/fE7nQ0GnuyUJc+HpyZQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKBTQU4E; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:21:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Message-ID: <20021206.002114.-179017.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_684b.0241.087b X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-10,12-14,15-32767 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:21:14 -0500 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. 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----__JNP_000_684b.0241.087b-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 00:29:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01792 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:29:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB65S4l9006003; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB65S1wF002588; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB65RtwF002508 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:27:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a26.in-tch.com [66.62.107.6]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB65BtD28395 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:11:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF0356E.C2D83049@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:28:14 -0700 Status: RO *sigh*.... Is it as beeyoootiful as it sounds? What are you going to make with it? The American lady's outfit? *sigh*.....;-) --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Guess what? > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 01:23:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02135 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:23:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB66M8l9007931; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB66M0xx018927; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB66L9xx018616 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A1D4F412007C; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:21:08 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1D410440112; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:21:08 -0600 Message-ID: <005c01c29cef$8297d2e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> <20021205170842.F2601@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:20:01 -0500 Status: RO I am surprised on how the membership has dropped. Years ago there were about 800 members. I guess with all various costume lists people went into their our specialty. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 02:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08827 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB67C7l9009404; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB67C0xx001788; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB67B6xx001545 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD8A7F00258; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:11:06 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD8BB360108; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:11:07 -0600 Message-ID: <00ff01c29cf6$6f86fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> <200212051628.gB5GS74B003317@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20021205192112.009ff3d0@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:09:36 -0500 Status: RO Maryann, All my son's computer geek friends are into the Japanese culture and anime. I have five sons and all dress differently. #1 son {26 y.o.} is a businessman into preppy/professional wear, #2 son {21 y.o.} (artsy one) is into Kramer/bowling shirts, #3 son {19 y.o.} into Japanese, #4 son {17 y.o.} wears his Boy Scout camp shirts (he works at Boys Scout camp in the summer and they give him a wardrobe) and the black t-shirts from his theater productions, and #5 son {15 y.o.} wears funny t-shirts... his favorites are Spam, can meat, t-shirts (his name is Sam and his brothers always called him Spam. He is a computer geek and likes being called Spam.) And people think menswear is boring. My husband wears at home, Grand Funk Railroad and Denver Broncos t-shirts. One day I am going to have a bonfire with them!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 03:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18663 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68B6l9010872; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68B0xx015961; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB68ATxx015797 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:10:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:10:29 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <005c01c29cef$8297d2e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > I am surprised on how the membership has dropped. Years ago there were > about 800 members. I guess with all various costume lists people went into > their our specialty. I personally think that it also has a lot to do that this list has been prone to flaming. I certaionly know a _lot_ of people who were on here and then ran away, hurt or fearing they might say something wrong/unintelligent and therefore they _never_ dared to post, never to return. This has changed though I believe, has become a lot friendlier lately, maybe we could coax them back? Sorry, but I had to say this coz it's part of the truth. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 03:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21065 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68G1l9011070; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68G0xx017634; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB68F7xx017377 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:15:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206081507.27712.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:15:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <131.18048e66.2b215966@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:15:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > You are of course correct in thinking the clothes are beautiful. Alone they > are. But as a design for a show they simply fail. Mina's [or is it Lucy?] > wedding dress is a stunning costume. An intricate feast for the eyes. A > beautiful Kabuki costume..... but what, other than being white, does it have > to do with a wedding dress? And we have Dracula himself looking sometimes > like an aging drag queen in a red Kimono with a beehive hair do [in > Transsexual Traaaaaansivania!], next he's Leon Russell, Then he rises from > the grave wearing a Klimpt painting. What is that? Where's the concept? It's > just a jumble of a bunch of stuff the designer liked. It is bad design. Nice > individual pieces, but bad design. Let her go do fashion. Leave the theatre > to us. > *stomps foot and insists* NO I disagree with you, strongly, strongly, strongly. The costumes, each and every of the 'strange' ones are utterly fantastic! Apart from that, what about Mr Stoker himself and the group he was associated with? I don't think the 'weird' costumes are out of place at all, and I hope she will NOT leave theatre to everyone else and do fashion because I thought the costumes were utterly STUNNING! Nicole - who thinks disagreeing is great fun, especially in this 'oh so pussyfooting around times' ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 03:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18367 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68m6l9011868; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68m0xx024985; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68l4xx024822 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A407F10501E0; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:47:03 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A409D190146; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:47:05 -0600 Message-ID: <01d101c29d03$c2f82420$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:44:58 -0500 Status: RO I was saddened to hear membership has dropped so much. My newsletter has more members than what we have now. H-costume used to be the largest costume list. I think the flame wars has a lot to do with it. A lot of people have told me this over the years. People have said that they are scared to post a question or answer one for the fear of being flamed. I have run across a lot of old members on other lists. Others have said that they wanted to answer a question, but other members jump in and answer quickly before they can post. Maybe it is time for another Lurker's Day. Maybe this should be a monthly event. Then we would get to know everyone! How about the third Wednesday of every month as Lurker's Day. I will volunteer to keep up with it. I don't blame them for the fear. I was flamed once years ago on this list. I was shaken for a little while, but I haven't been flamed again. I kinda like putting out the flames. No one knows everything, and my policy is... there are no dumb questions. We all had to start somewhere. My somewhere to start was on h-costume in 1996 as a student. I still think it is the best costuming list. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 04:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13832 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB69n6l9013409; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:49:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB69n1xx009275; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB69mixx009214 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-176.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.176]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6ECC7F13 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:48:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DF07272.4060608@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <01d101c29d03$c2f82420$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:48:34 +0100 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > I still think it is the >best costuming list. > I totally agree. There is so much knowledge on this list. And I get more and more interested in other periods than only the 15th and 16th century. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 05:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14026 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:12:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6AB1l9014203; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6AB0xx014842; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6AAcxx014759 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:10:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-13-19.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.13.19] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KFRN-0002LR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c29d10$459f4aa0$130d27d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021205221124.7818.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:14:32 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I see that Sarah L. Goodman's article on Farthingales and Bumrolls.... at http://www.elizabethanlady.com/farthingales.html includes a reference to foxtails being worn in much earlier periods under the gown to improve the figure, and I have come across a number of other references to this. However, I'm still baffled as to how this actually worked, in practise,and would welcome suggestions. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 07:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14627 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:24:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6CN4l9018161; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6CN1xx010939; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6CMlxx010891 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from p56-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.120] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18KHVE-000801-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:22:45 +1300 Message-ID: <000501c29d22$2f754a60$78ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <01d101c29d03$c2f82420$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:22:45 +1300 Status: RO > I don't blame them for the fear. I was flamed once years ago on this list. > I was shaken for a little while, but I haven't been flamed again. heheh, well I've been in a situation that wasn't quite flaming, but I was accused of flaming.. eh. I think it's part of the cons of text only communication. Hense my recent asking of Nicole for what she meant;) Funnily enough being bold enough to stand up for my beliefs (though sometimes knowing when you've made your point and it's not doing any good to labour the point can be difficult) has made me bolder IRL. At the LotR picnic I had a guy say that my dress would have been better with boning. Dork didn't know anything about costuming: a) the original didn't. And I don't think there was any boned undergarment (maybe somehting like what Liv wore, but it's clear from the way the costume hangs on the form and wrinkles around the actress the dress isn't boned. b) if we are looking at the bliaut as a possible "what this is trying to be" style then no as well. I told him no. He said "because you don't like it?" I said no, it's not right for the style. And started talking about the history of the use of whale bone and reeds;) Had it been a few years before I might well have doubted myself. But being on a list where you can be flamed or have heated discussions means you soon either become very determined or avoid confrontation, perhpas by becoming insecure in your opinions. I kinda > like putting out the flames. No one knows everything, and my policy is... > there are no dumb questions. We all had to start somewhere. My somewhere > to start was on h-costume in 1996 as a student. I still think it is the > best costuming list. Yep. Good range of views. And often even if you strongly disagree with someone it helps you clarify why you believe something by having it challenged. You may even change your mind. And I also feel there is nothing the matter with being wrong. For example... assuming whalebone actually was bone. It's an easy mistake if you are just learning about the stuff. Ignore the people who belittle you for the mistake but don't try and pretend the mistake didn't happen. If you see what I mean. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, when it's somethine clear cut like that and if it's not clear cut and something more subjective then I prefer to be able to form my own opinions;) michaela using this as a test to see if nortons will scan my email. It's behaving extremely oddly. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 08:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15924 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:19:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6DI2l9019921; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6DI1xx023243; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6DHQxx023101 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.89.145.202]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20021206131719.SHOY24110.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:17:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3DF0A366.A89D08AE@worldnet.att.net> From: Justine Magill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:17:26 -0500 Status: RO *de-lurking* Actually, the nasty flaming is exactly why I dont post anymore. I sometimes do not get my point across clearly, and do not say all I meant to because I am always in somewhat of a hurry due to an insane schedule. Also, I only get to check mail in the early morning before work, and after work. Those who post all day will move onto a topic and you all know how conversations change. The last time I posted something here I got deeply flamed. I argue enough in my day to day life (I work in an accounting office and get in to.... 'discussions' with agencys like the IRS and state tax authorities) so when I come home, I do not want to continue arguing. Especially about something that is supposed to be relaxing and enjoyable. BTW, other list members took my viewpoint a year later and showed me to be correct indeed.... *back into lurk mode* Jenne > > I personally think that it also has a lot to do that this list has been prone > to flaming. I certaionly know a _lot_ of people who were on here and then ran > away, hurt or fearing they might say something wrong/unintelligent and > therefore they _never_ dared to post, never to return. > This has changed though I believe, has become a lot friendlier lately, maybe we > could coax them back? > > Sorry, but I had to say this coz it's part of the truth. > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 09:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17195 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6EK5l9023023; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6EK1xx010684; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6EJhxx010456 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:19:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206141943.26959.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:19:43 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF0A366.A89D08AE@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Justine Magill wrote: > *de-lurking* > > Actually, the nasty flaming is exactly why I dont post anymore. I sometimes > do not > get my point across clearly, and do not say all I meant to because I am > always in > somewhat of a hurry due to an insane schedule. Also, I only get to check > mail in > the early morning before work, and after work. Oh Jenne, don't go back into lurking, please? I know it isalways us same ones who are posting/talking and I know I for one sometimes really do talk too much (hey, can I help it that I feel so strongly about many things? *laughs*) but that's also because we _are_ always the same ones posting. It would be WONDERFUL if more people posted, it really would. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17362 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ex3l9025185; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ex1xx022807; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ew2xx022467 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fc8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C73F026301D for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:58:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006701c29d38$3c664560$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF0356E.C2D83049@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:00:37 +0100 Status: RO Hi! Yes that is right, the american lady from Denver. It is a wonderfull colour and i wished i had time right now, then i would have made myself a new embroidered suit! Well it is good to have some things to do in the future also. I just finished her stays today, mock up stays wich are to be send for her to try, before i make any panier and dress mock up two. What a work to make stays for large persons, it has 100 bones in it. Boy am i glad they invented the sewing machine :-) This time i want to try to make a new panier type. I have ben glaring at Nicoles pictures from V&A of a panier shown with stays, i think it would be very usefull for the dress i make. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > *sigh*.... > Is it as beeyoootiful as it sounds? What are you going to make with it? > The American lady's outfit? > *sigh*.....;-) > --sue > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Guess what? > > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17422 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:05:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F51l9025533; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F50xx024751; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F4fxx024626 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:04:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1a4.d0fc945 (4116) for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:04:07 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.d0fc945.2b221667@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a4.d0fc945.2b221667_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:04:07 EST Status: RO --part1_1a4.d0fc945.2b221667_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 3:16:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > Nicole - who thinks disagreeing is great fun, especially in this 'oh so > pussyfooting around times' > Indeed....especially since there is no animosity between us. It's hardly a life defining cause. --part1_1a4.d0fc945.2b221667_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 3:16:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


Nicole - who thinks disagreeing is great fun, especially in this 'oh so
pussyfooting around times'


Indeed....especially since there is no animosity between us. It's hardly a life defining cause. --part1_1a4.d0fc945.2b221667_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17518 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F91l9025837; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F91xx026149; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6F8Uxx025939 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-83-124.client.attbi.com[12.246.83.124]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2002120615082505300al9m9e>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:08:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3DF0BD5B.4070504@fenris.net> From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 07:08:11 -0800 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > I am surprised on how >> the membership has dropped. > >I personally think that it also has a lot to do that this list has been prone >to flaming. > I had dropped off all the lists I read after sept 11, took me about a year to realize how much I missed reading them. Still, I mostly read, not post. Flames don't scare me a bit, I just don't have a lot to say! I like to sew (duh!) and have been getting into the vintage (late 30s, early 40s) 'reprints' that vogue and butterick have been doing. Only gotten a few done, hopefully some more after the holidays. Have to alter every darn one to fit. Yeesh. Am in the SCA, wear mostly late period Persian clothing, sometime earlier. Sometimes European medieval, sometimes late italian renaissance. Will pick up Margo's patterns as soon as I can - will be nice to have a pattern to work from. Sometimes I get so tired of drafting my own! off to classes liz lizyoung@fenris.net > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17530 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:12:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FB2l9025967; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FB1xx026931; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FAoxx026847 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fc8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 49A68262B15 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:10:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008501c29d3a$0742fd90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021205222807.27871.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yep Bjarne/Thanks for the wig link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:13:27 +0100 Status: RO Hi Duchesse! Yes i will do that, the wig i have is much two full. When you look at 18th century wigs they are not so full, only thin hair and then those rolls. But it surely is difficult to find a picture of one i like, i have turned every page in all my costume books, but no one was like i wanted it. I think i will look at Dangerous Liasions on the puter and then capture a picture i like of Valmont and send to him, as the wig i want. Bjarne > Then I do suggest to contact derek, don't forget to mention that I sent you, > Nicole with the 1660s wig and the 1700 wig for the fontange and with ben's 1700 > periwig where the first one got thrown out by Colin mistakenly and we had to > shell out 300 quid for a second one. ;-) He'll know then... :-))) > > He's lovely, a pleasure to work with. expensive, but hey, quality doesn't come > cheap, and on top of it all he is SUCH a nice chap. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17540 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:13:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FC0l9026025; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FC0xx027378; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6FBAxx026988 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 15:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.49) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 15:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:10:38 -0500 Status: RO I know I have asked a lot of questions before so add this to my curiosity. Is there a list of recommanded reading for different periods of clothing styles and construction? I presently own a number of books but I feel like I am missing something. In creating a gown from a pattern, whether its one of the big three or much to my delight Margo Anderson's pattern, I seem to be lacking a common knowledge about the construction. Hard to explain this feeling of failing to achieve a certain look due to my skimpy sewing skills. I see wonderful paned sleeves on gowns that have a fullness that I can't recreate. I have searched my books and on line but no help. I would like to have that fullness on the upper half of the sleeves while the lower half is narrow. How did they do that? I guess I am looking for tricks of the trade. If there is a book or some place to find this info could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17589 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FG3l9026247; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FG1xx028786; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6FFlxx028709 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 98576 invoked by uid 1005); 6 Dec 2002 15:15:43 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.075823 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 15:15:42 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <3DEF21FF.3820.272EDC4C@localhost> Message-ID: <20021206095533.X71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:15:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm curious--the pleats in the back of Holbein's lady and the breughel painting are obviously very deep and pronounced, but I myself have been unable to determine the specific pleating method used. I've managed to create similar wide, very rounded pleats by stuffing and then box-pleating. Though I have had to hand-sew the finished skirt top to the finished bodice bottom like one does with cartridge pleats, as the stuffed pleats were way too thick to sew through. Are you defining cartridge-pleats as pleats that are sewn with multiple threads and then gathered up, or as any pleats that aren't "folded under", like knife or box pleats? Looking at Holbein's woman (pic at http://costume.dm.net/gallery/images/bwlady-big.gif), I would recreate that look with a skirt lined with a layer of batting. Ditto for breughel (one pic at http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/images/dance.jpg) Smaller cartridge pleats show up in Italian dresses of the time (example at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml). I'd love to see that english dress. I think I may have--is she wearing a Queen-mary-type flattened hood, and is the dress a really stylized long-fronted red velvet deal? Are the pleats smaller? Thanks, Drea > > Cartridge pleats were used, as were knife pleats. They seem to have > been used together at times. I don't have a URL but in the Holbein > drawing of a lady (where he's done a front *and* a back view), there > are obvious large cartridge pleats in the back. Some of the Breugel > paintings also show this. There's another picture of a English court > lady in a red dress with navy blue brocade undersleeves which shows > the cartridge pleats at the side. However, it appears that she has > some flat pleats to transition the front part to the back cartridge > pleats (like 2 on each side). Unfortunately, the book which has the > best picture of this is hiding/lost right now. > > Kat Russell > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21987 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:36:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FZ8l9027585; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FZ1e4006541; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FYFe4006196 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6P00JCKF7JEM@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dracula, was Re: JoAT Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF0C305.3090008@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:32:21 -0600 Status: RO >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:08:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, >mangal.kalima@virgin.net writes: >> Well the Designers were 'creative' but it was a movie and not an >> historical reenactment event based on fact. >Ahhhhh...but is was billed as a sort of historical event...BRAM STOKER'S >Dracula. Never forget that. >You are of course correct in thinking the clothes are beautiful. Alone they >are. But as a design for a show they simply fail. Mina's [or is it Lucy?] >wedding dress is a stunning costume. An intricate feast for the eyes. A >beautiful Kabuki costume..... but what, other than being white, does it have >to do with a wedding dress? And we have Dracula himself looking sometimes >like an aging drag queen in a red Kimono with a beehive hair do [in >Transsexual Traaaaaansivania!], next he's Leon Russell, Then he rises from >the grave wearing a Klimpt painting. What is that? Where's the concept? It's >just a jumble of a bunch of stuff the designer liked. It is bad design. Nice >individual pieces, but bad design. Let her go do fashion. Leave the theatre >to us. I am so glad to hear someone else feels the same way about the costuming in this movie. None of it made sense to me. Everytime I see the film I try to figure out what the costumer was trying to "say" about the characters. I have always felt the clothing that an actor wears should be almost the characters skin. Whether it be a "period" piece or fictional, what a person sees on screen or stage, should be a visual clue to the character. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 10:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22081 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:42:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ff2l9027941; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ff1e4009214; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6Feve4009169 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 65501 invoked by uid 1005); 6 Dec 2002 15:40:53 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.080029 secs); 06 Dec 2002 15:40:53 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.080029 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> Message-ID: <20021206102107.L71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:40:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Let's see: for the 16th c. (which I assume is what you're doing) the big three I use are Arnold's Patterns of Fashion and Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, and Alcega's Tailor's Pattern Book. For the fifteenth century, the books I use most often for figuring out particular garments are Elizabeth Birbari's "Dress in Italian Painting 1460-1500", Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume, 14th & 15th Centuries", Scott's "Gothic Europe 1400-1500" and Jacqueline Herald's "Dress in Renaissance Italy 1400-1500". Actually, Robin Netherton has given talks on aspects of 15th century dress which blow all of the above out of the water...but none of them has been published yet. (Waaah!) For the fourteenth century, pickings are depressingly slim. The Museum of London's "Clothing and Textiles" book is the best thing out there for showing actual garments and their construction. There's Stella Mary Newton's "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince", of course, but that has very few pictures. There are photographs of some 14th c. costumes in History of Costume books, and the abovementioned Visual History of Costume comes in handy...but this century isn't my specialty, so others could probably give you better pointers on it. Unfortunatly, a lot of costume details simply can't be described--you need the items or up close photos of the items themselves, to get a feel for how they were made. The specific issue of "getting the look" often has as much to do with the materials used as with the construction techniques. If you make a sleeve out of heavy wool, interlined with cotton-linen canvas and lined with a nice stiff silk taffeta, it looks a world different than making the sleeve out of a cotton brocade lined with a heavy linen or brushed cotton. One thing that could help would be taking a theatrical costume construction class. Even though they deal mostly with modern techniques, you do learn the detailed properties of textiles and how to manipulate flat and draped patterns to achieve the look you want. It gives you a wider arsenal of tools and experience with patterns to try and work out just how a particular look was achieved. I did get to examine a pair of early 17th c. paned sleeves a while back, and wrote down the details of how the thing was put together. I can forward you the info, if you're interested. (I didn't get to take photos unfortunately. :( Drea On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Dhannti wrote: > I know I have asked a lot of questions before so add this to my > curiosity. Is there a list of recommanded reading for different periods > of clothing styles and construction? I presently own a number of books > but I feel like I am missing something. In creating a gown from a > pattern, whether its one of the big three or much to my delight Margo > Anderson's pattern, I seem to be lacking a common knowledge about the > construction. Hard to explain this feeling of failing to achieve a > certain look due to my skimpy sewing skills. I see wonderful paned > sleeves on gowns that have a fullness that I can't recreate. I have > searched my books and on line but no help. I would like to have that > fullness on the upper half of the sleeves while the lower half is > narrow. How did they do that? I guess I am looking for tricks of the > trade. If there is a book or some place to find this info could someone > point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 11:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22356 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GN1l9002205; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GN1e4028872; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GMEe4028523 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:22:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp214.directcon.net [206.170.184.214]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB6GLmEp027549; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:21:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021206082555.00d992f0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:25:55 -0800 Status: RO I see wonderful paned >sleeves on gowns that have a fullness that I can't recreate. I have >searched my books and on line but no help. I would like to have that >fullness on the upper half of the sleeves while the lower half is >narrow. How did they do that? This is assuming you are familiar with the basics of pattern making. Start with a sleeve sloper. draw a horizontal line at the level where you want the fullness to begin. Slash along this line. Then slash the upper part of the sleeve into several vertical sections, and pivot them so that the upper edges flare outward while the lower portions are still touching the lower part at the sides. Trace. Correct the side lines, to smooth curves if you want the lowere sleeve to fit tight to the arm, or to straight lines if you want a more triangular shape. You will probably want to increase the height of the sleeve cap by as much as several inches, depending on how much fullness you're adding. Then draw in your lines where you want the panes to be, slash along those lines, and add seam allowances. Clear as mud, no? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 11:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22374 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GK3l9001901; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GK1e4027419; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailexchange.dcls.org (mail.dcls.org [63.161.200.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6GGXe4025639 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:16:34 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <03345EFBE0450444B9E4E288E219D54011CD4A@mailexchange.dcls.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1535 - 14 msgs Thread-Index: AcKdOw1suyry/u9rSFCz1ToqkTpURQABcETA From: "Mary M. Spila" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB6GGXe4025639 Subject: [h-cost] Lurkers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:19:28 -0500 Status: RO I joined in the early 90's, while I was working in Tennessee. After I moved back to PA in the late 90's, I had some problems keeping subscribed. I would subscribe and after a couple of weeks I would stop receiving digests. After a couple of months of that I let the whole thing lapse. I picked the list up again two years ago and haven't had any problems. I always learn a lot, I just don't talk a lot. 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Spila Reference Librarian East Shore Area Public Library Dauphin County Library System Phone: 717-652-9380; ext. 120 Fax: 717-652-5012 WWW.DCLS.ORG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22519 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6H67l9005708; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6H65e4020894; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6H5ie4020627 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Tudorldy@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.185.1310864f (15900) for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-1206120435; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:04:35 -0500 From: Tudorldy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:04:35 -0500 Status: RO I don't post - or post about anything substantial - because I don't want to look like an idiot. I'm actually considered *fairly* knowledgeable about the particular time I'm interested in (1560s/70s) and technically "pretty good" as a seamstress. However. I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, and for the last couple of years too many 21st Century things have been clogging my life. I don't have a web page. I don't have the personal libraries available to me that some list members have, although mine is pretty respectable. I have a boring, exhausting, full-time 21stC job that leaves me totally wrung out at the end of the day, although I'm working on changing that. (I also don't have a partner, so there is no one to share the job of day to day living/getting on with things - and believe me, that seems to make a huge difference.) I don't think I'm being overly sensitive here when I worry about mentioning that I'm trying out different shift patterns in good cotton cloth rather than linen. Or that my last set of clothes was actually a mostly-synthetic wool blend that you wouldn't have known from real wool twill from an arm's length away. The points aren't linen tape or silk ribbon - it was some grosgrain ribbon off the shelf at the fabric store that worked, and that I could actually afford to make into two dozen sleeve points. My present set of stays are 1/4" steel bones (and have been since I made my first set in 1981) rather than reed because for a fat girl, it works, and they give predictable results. My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) deal a little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' (i.e., 1/4" steels in a 1570s pair of bodies, for instance) that were perfectly acceptable ten years ago. Having done SCA costuming since the middle 1970s, the amount of good research material around now absolutely astounds me - things have come *so* far! I'm glad to see the bar being raised, but sorry that it excludes so many honest attempts. The perception seems that anyone who takes a whack at doing a period piece "should have known better" about the X, Y, or Z detail that they didn't get just right. There doesn't seem to be any appreciation for a good try. I don't know how far off my perception is, or if it's spot on. This list does, like any, have it's share of know-it-alls, no matter what the subject or tangent. I've learned to either ignore or laugh at them (I find at least one of them consistently entertaining, although some of her information is good, but I suspect it's really more of a personality issue I have with her, and no, she doesn't know me from anywhere, but she posts a great deal). I'd like to jump in some times and offer my own experience, but just -- hesitate because I don't want to look like an idiot if I get it wrong, and get jumped on by people with better access to information, more education, and moreover *more time* to spend at this incredibly consuming, wonderful hobby of ours. I suppose, if someone who has a few pretty good suits of clothes behind her feels uncomfortable offering advice, where would this leave a novice? Meagn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22551 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HE2l9006711; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HE1e4025193; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HDKe4024879 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip10.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.10]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB6HDEa23070 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3DEF21FF.3820.272EDC4C@localhost> In-reply-to: <20021206095533.X71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:07:15 -0800 Status: RO Drea wrote: > I'm curious--the pleats in the back of Holbein's lady and the breughel > painting are obviously very deep and pronounced, but I myself have > been unable to determine the specific pleating method used. I've > managed to create similar wide, very rounded pleats by stuffing and > then box-pleating. Though I have had to hand-sew the finished skirt > top to the finished bodice bottom like one does with cartridge pleats, > as the stuffed pleats were way too thick to sew through. Are you > defining cartridge-pleats as pleats that are sewn with multiple > threads and then gathered up, or as any pleats that aren't "folded > under", like knife or box pleats? I'm defining them as a pleat used to put in more fabric onto a specified edge than could be done with knife or box pleats without making it as bulky or unwieldy. Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the pleat. Where you place the pleat on the edge makes a difference too. Also, how much padding, where and how many gathering threads you use, etc. When I teach this type of pleat in my cartridge pleating class, I have them sew down the whole upper edge of the "pleat" (usually it ends up looking like a figure 8 or a a circle with a flattened circle underneath it from the back side. (However, you can get away with fewer stitches than most of my students usually think you can. But that's the same with regular cartridge pleating where people can't believe that one or two stitches are enough to hold the thing and try to sew it down like it was a machine doing it. Can't do cartridge pleats by machine. It's a handsewing technique for a reason.) I've not had a problem with sewing these pleats in at the top, despite their bulk. But it probably depends on where you put the bulk and what you are using for the bulk. I generally use a bouncy wool fabric meant for padding out men's jackets (not a regular fabric from the fabric store, but one from a tailoring supply store). If I need something stiffer, I'll use coating wool (as it doesn't have the same drape and hand as the tailor's wool.) > I'd love to see that english dress. I think I may have--is she > wearing a Queen-mary-type flattened hood, and is the dress a really > stylized long-fronted red velvet deal? Are the pleats smaller? Yep. Sounds like the one I was speaking of. The pleats at the side are pretty large, however, not the smaller ones that Hunnisett shows or like you see on the Italian Renn dresses. More on the scale of the Holbein drawing and Breugel's peasants. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:30:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22696 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:30:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HT2l9007985; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HT1e4003365; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HSTe4003009 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:28:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:28:24 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:28:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.15] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Japanese (was:Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 17:28:24.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1907010:01C29D4C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:28:24 +0000 Status: RO FWIW... A friend of mine does 16th century Japanese in the SCA. When he won the Northshield tournament (an SCA Principality), he put up directions for making Japanese clothing for his Coronation. I made my clothing and my husband's using his directions - very easy. The website is: http://www.raito.com/royalty/index.html Mary/Katerine > >thanks all for the info. He has a fencing outfit, including the face >protector and jacket and everything. I really was thinking more of a >costume type traditional dress for dress up. > >there are real parallels with Penny's son. He also flunked Japanese last >year and is a computer engineering major. the flunking Japanese didn't >seem to discourage him. He comes home from UC Santa Cruz tomorrow and I >can hardly wait. > >maryann > > >At 07:59 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >>On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:28 am, mabse@attbi.com wrote: >> > just a warning - my son had this same fascination, and now I am paying >>for >> > a college junior year abroad in Japan. (and happy to do it, just want >>you >> > to know where it can lead). He is also a fencer and is going to take >> > traditional Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume >>that >> > this is the same as a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for >>patterns >> > for traditional Japanese fencing garb? I thought I would make him a >> > costume for his trip. >> >>As I notice some of the other list members have mentioned, martial arts >>stores >>sell kendo uniforms that would be more appropriate for his purposes. >> >> > Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much >> > limited to silk? >> >>Modern kendo uniforms are made of cotton. >> >>To my knowledge, historic Japanese dress did not use linen at all (I have >>no >>idea if it grows in Japan or not, suspect the answer is "not.") My >>recollection is that they didn't use cotton much either before about the >>16th >>century. Before then, the well off wore silk, the peasants wore hemp or >>ramie or other bast fibers. I suspect that the only folk in Japan who >>wore >>wool traditionally were the Ainu (the Caucasian tribes in northern Japan). >> >>This is from my general costume reading. I'm fairly but not 100% sure of >>the >>above. There is a nice site on noble Japanese dress at >> >>http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/ >> >>-- >>Cathy Raymond >> >>"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." >> --Flannery O'Connor > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:34:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22850 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:34:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HX1l9008308; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HX0e4005693; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6HWOe4005332 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp214.directcon.net [206.170.184.214]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB6HVqEp011900; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:31:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> References: <20021206095533.X71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> <3DEF21FF.3820.272EDC4C@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:35:58 -0800 Status: RO >Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one >edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If >you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want >to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the >pleat. Actually, if you want them to hang straight down, you sew them at the *bottom* of the pleat. You're then left with the pleated section jutting out like a little shelf, a look some people like but I can't stand. I sew my cartridge pleated skirts to my waistbands by sewing the top of the pleat to the bottom edge of the waistband. This lets the pleated area "hinge" onto the waistband so it can move a bit. I've tried sewing both top and bottom of the pleats to the waistband, but I found it pushed my bodices up. It might not be problem for everyone, but I'm short waisted and high hipped, and need all the room there I can get. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23499 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:45:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hi2l9009165; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hi0e4011709; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hh7e4011224 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021206174305.FNTB7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:43:05 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <3DF0E1AA.19420.2DB7C1B0@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:43:06 -0000 Status: RO On 6 Dec 2002 at 12:04, Tudorldy@aol.com wrote: > My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) deal a > little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' .... > There doesn't seem to be any appreciation for a good try. > > I suppose, if someone who has a few pretty good suits of clothes > behind her feels uncomfortable offering advice, where would this leave > a novice? Well it leaves this novice feeling fine, in fact, so don't worry too much. But that's because I *know* I'm a novice, and almost entirely ignorant. If people suggest that I've done something horribly wrong, this does not come as a surprise to me, and I don't take it as an insult, since they usually go to great pains to tell me how to do better next time. Of course, they do all work on the assumption that I *want* to do everything as perfectly as I can. I'm happy with that, because it's usually true. If someone came on the list asking how best to disguise the zip in their Tudor dress, I can see them getting a reply they might not appreciate. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 12:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23902 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hq4l9009905; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hq2e4016372; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Hpwe4016292 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20772 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:00:40 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <20021206102107.L71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:00:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > Let's see: for the 16th c. (which I assume is what you're doing) the > big three I use are Arnold's Patterns of Fashion and Queen Elizabeth's > Wardrobe Unlock'd, and Alcega's Tailor's Pattern Book. > > For the fifteenth century, the books I use most often for figuring out > particular garments are Elizabeth Birbari's "Dress in Italian Painting > 1460-1500", Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume, 14th & 15th > Centuries", Scott's "Gothic Europe 1400-1500" and Jacqueline Herald's > "Dress in Renaissance Italy 1400-1500". > > Actually, Robin Netherton has given talks on aspects of 15th century > dress which blow all of the above out of the water...but none of them > has been published yet. (Waaah!) Well, that's a strong statement :-) A lot of what I have just supplements what's in those books, or contradicts the existing findings on some very specific points. I've only done one inroad in research in Elizabethan (on the wheel farthingale), for instance, so outside of that topic I wouldn't contradict anything else Arnold has said. (There might be problems, but I wouldn't know them if I stepped on them.) I've done nothing in Italian, so Birbari and Herald are safe from me ;-) I have some quibbles with some of Scott's conclusions in Late Gothic Europe -- I think that's the book in which I saw the theory that the S-shaped Gothic posture was a result of women leaning back so their breasts wouldn't fall out of their low-cut necklines. (Someone please tell me I'm remembering wrong, and that this came from some other less-clued author. Most of Scott's work is marvelous, and I use the Visual History volume constantly for good images of primary art sources.) Some of my lectures won't be published because making the point relies on close examination of commonalities and trends in a copious selection of visual images. Most journals won't consider putting 40 images into an article, and copyright permissions for that quantity would cover my family's budget for the next year. I have, though, posted summaries of most of these talks to this list, and some are on my not-quite-a-webpage at http://www.netherton.net/robin if that's of any help. I intend to get some more text up there soon, mostly Q&As from people following up on what's there, and more old h-cost posts on other topics. > For the fourteenth century, pickings are depressingly slim. The Museum > of London's "Clothing and Textiles" book is the best thing out there > for showing actual garments and their construction. There's Stella > Mary Newton's "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince", of course, but > that has very few pictures. There are photographs of some 14th c. > costumes in History of Costume books, and the abovementioned Visual > History of Costume comes in handy...but this century isn't my > specialty, so others could probably give you better pointers on it. No, I think you've hit the high points. And the Museum of London books, while gold mines in themselves, must be understood to be a slice of the existing evidence, not a compendium of all known fact. There is, apparently, much in the books that even the authors were not really sure of (as one of them told me, in terms direct enough to take me quite aback), and essentially all the interpretations of the evidence should be taken as good guesses, but not final word. > Unfortunatly, a lot of costume details simply can't be described--you > need the items or up close photos of the items themselves, to get a > feel for how they were made. I would recommend that anyone pursuing study of a particular period/place dive deeply into the artwork of the time, in as many media as possible. Oversize art books are your friend; online research is a nice start but online versions of art often lose detail. And read the text, too! It's astounding how many people will base costumes on a single visual source without learning about the painting, the people in it, the person who made it, and the significance of various details shown. I have many times found that a construction I was puzzling over most likely was the artist's imagination, which certainly simplifies the question of "How did they get that effect?" I have at times referred to myself as a specialist on garments that didn't exist. > One thing that could help would be taking a theatrical costume > construction class. Even though they deal mostly with modern > techniques, you do learn the detailed properties of textiles and how > to manipulate flat and draped patterns to achieve the look you want. > It gives you a wider arsenal of tools and experience with patterns to > try and work out just how a particular look was achieved. An addendum: If you're working before 1450-1500, you should forget nerarly everything you learn in these classes. And in home ec. Fitting and sewing techniques probably changed more between 1200 and 1600 than they did between 1600 and today. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 13:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24386 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:02:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6I13l9010828; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6I11e4021359; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6I0Ye4021014 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:00:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:00:29 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:00:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.15] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Japanese (was:Re: [h-cost] Andy's Christmas Present) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 18:00:29.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CECA680:01C29D51] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:00:29 +0000 Status: RO Err...just clicked on it myself, and it links to the main page. Click on the Projects link, then on the Japanese Clothing link. (BTW, he's the guy in the photo on the main page). Mary/Katerine >FWIW... > >A friend of mine does 16th century Japanese in the SCA. When he won the >Northshield tournament (an SCA Principality), he put up directions for >making Japanese clothing for his Coronation. I made my clothing and my >husband's using his directions - very easy. The website is: > >http://www.raito.com/royalty/index.html > >Mary/Katerine >> >>thanks all for the info. He has a fencing outfit, including the face >>protector and jacket and everything. I really was thinking more of a >>costume type traditional dress for dress up. >> >>there are real parallels with Penny's son. He also flunked Japanese last >>year and is a computer engineering major. the flunking Japanese didn't >>seem to discourage him. He comes home from UC Santa Cruz tomorrow and I >>can hardly wait. >> >>maryann >> >> >>At 07:59 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >>>On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:28 am, mabse@attbi.com wrote: >>> > just a warning - my son had this same fascination, and now I am paying >>>for >>> > a college junior year abroad in Japan. (and happy to do it, just want >>>you >>> > to know where it can lead). He is also a fencer and is going to take >>> > traditional Japanese fencing classes when he is in Japan. I assume >>>that >>> > this is the same as a Samuri. Does anyone have a reference for >>>patterns >>> > for traditional Japanese fencing garb? I thought I would make him a >>> > costume for his trip. >>> >>>As I notice some of the other list members have mentioned, martial arts >>>stores >>>sell kendo uniforms that would be more appropriate for his purposes. >>> >>> > Would the Japanese have used linen or wool? Or, were they pretty much >>> > limited to silk? >>> >>>Modern kendo uniforms are made of cotton. >>> >>>To my knowledge, historic Japanese dress did not use linen at all (I have >>>no >>>idea if it grows in Japan or not, suspect the answer is "not.") My >>>recollection is that they didn't use cotton much either before about the >>>16th >>>century. Before then, the well off wore silk, the peasants wore hemp or >>>ramie or other bast fibers. I suspect that the only folk in Japan who >>>wore >>>wool traditionally were the Ainu (the Caucasian tribes in northern >>>Japan). >>> >>>This is from my general costume reading. I'm fairly but not 100% sure of >>>the >>>above. There is a nice site on noble Japanese dress at >>> >>>http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/ >>> >>>-- >>>Cathy Raymond >>> >>>"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." >>> --Flannery O'Connor >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 13:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25147 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IJ2l9012761; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IJ1e4001619; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6II9e4001071 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2154 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-89.sonic.net [209.148.112.89]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB6II7Z07968 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:18:07 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF0EA3F.5B33648C@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021206081029.10584.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <01d101c29d03$c2f82420$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:19:43 -0800 Status: RO > I think the flame wars has a lot to do with it. A lot of people have told > me this over the years. People have said that they are scared to post a > question or answer one for the fear of being flamed. I have run across a > lot of old members on other lists. I have seen very little flaming on h-costume over the years. Flaming is uncontrolled insults made primarily for the sake of annoying people. A moderator can always keep a list from becoming a flamesite, and the various h-costume moderators over the years have done a good job of it. I have often seen people politely disagree with one another's views. There is no way to have an intelligent discussion without this happening. And it is unreasonable to expect everyone to agree with you all the time. However, I think you have hit on another, more likely reason for a decline in h-costume membership. When this group began ( I was a charter member), it was the _only_ historic costuming mailing list. And it stayed that way for years. Until Yahoo and other such vendors set up the ability for anyone to create any mailing list on any topic. I myself am a member of 91 Yahoo email lists either focused on costuming, or on reenactment or some other topic related to costuming. Some of these lists are practically dead. I have most of the others set to "nomail," and I just occasionally look at the archived messages on the list's website. But, that still leaves me getting lots of mail from other costuming lists. There are also now some newsgroups that discuss costuming and reenactment, and some active website "bulletin boards." I read at least half a dozen of those from time to time. And then there's the vintage clothing mailing list, which I think Eliz also moderates. That too, BTW, has much less traffic than before, even though it was never a list for flaming. My point is that there are now many alternatives to h-costume. It is not at all surprising that h-costume would lose market share. And, without this indicating any flaw in h-costume. Many people are only interested in costuming for one historic period. Others are only interested in some specific type of costuming--stage costuming or managing a costume rental shop, for example. People who dislike weeding out dozens of messages that don't interest them, gravitate to specialized lists that focus on their preferred topic. I think h-costume has considerable value as a list covering many eras from many angles. It was never set up as a list for 100% accurate reenactors, or even reenactors, for those who are worried about that. If you want to discuss your polyester repro or your stage costume, just go ahead and post. But I've run across quite a number of people who regard all information that doesn't specifically apply to their five-year period of interest as useless. Even with a broad list like h-costume, you can't please everybody. The other question I would raise is: Is fewer members really a problem? On most lists most members are lurkers. And in fact, prefer to be lurkers. It's not that they're too scared to post. Many are too busy. Also, many people regard lists as consumers rather than producers. Just the way they'd read a book or watch TV--they absorb the information but don't create it. I'm not saying this is wrong, or that they have nothing to contribute. Just that on most lists a small minority posts most of the messages. But as long as h-costume is an active list and people _are_ actively posting messages--does it matter if some people gravitate to other, more specialized lists? Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 13:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25151 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IH3l9012609; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IH1e4000405; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f143.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IGhe4000158 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:16:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:16:38 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:16:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.15] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 18:16:38.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E7E29F0:01C29D53] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:16:38 +0000 Status: RO But you don't look like an idiot when you're posting about your own experience! I wasn't there when you made those stays, I can't tell you you're wrong when you talk about how they fit, and whether or not the project worked the way you wanted it to, or how comfortable it is. These pieces of information are indescribably valuable to me, at least. Mary/Katerine P.S. - my first stays are made with steel bones, and I love them! My second set are being made with cording because I want a different look. (And boy do I get teased about how long it's taking me to finish them! But I'm doing the last of it by hand, as that way is easier for me to "fudge" things than using a machine would. And they're portable, so I don't get much done on them at home - home is for the big projects.) > >I don't post - or post about anything substantial - because I don't want to >look like an idiot. > >I'm actually considered *fairly* knowledgeable about the particular time >I'm interested in (1560s/70s) and technically "pretty good" as a >seamstress. However. I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, and >for the last couple of years too many 21st Century things have been >clogging my life. I don't have a web page. I don't have the personal >libraries available to me that some list members have, although mine is >pretty respectable. I have a boring, exhausting, full-time 21stC job that >leaves me totally wrung out at the end of the day, although I'm working on >changing that. (I also don't have a partner, so there is no one to share >the job of day to day living/getting on with things - and believe me, that >seems to make a huge difference.) > >I don't think I'm being overly sensitive here when I worry about mentioning >that I'm trying out different shift patterns in good cotton cloth rather >than linen. Or that my last set of clothes was actually a mostly-synthetic >wool blend that you wouldn't have known from real wool twill from an arm's >length away. The points aren't linen tape or silk ribbon - it was some >grosgrain ribbon off the shelf at the fabric store that worked, and that I >could actually afford to make into two dozen sleeve points. My present set >of stays are 1/4" steel bones (and have been since I made my first set in >1981) rather than reed because for a fat girl, it works, and they give >predictable results. > >My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) deal a >little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' (i.e., 1/4" steels in a >1570s pair of bodies, for instance) that were perfectly acceptable ten >years ago. Having done SCA costuming since the middle 1970s, the amount of >good research material around now absolutely astounds me - things have come >*so* far! I'm glad to see the bar being raised, but sorry that it excludes >so many honest attempts. The perception seems that anyone who takes a >whack at doing a period piece "should have known better" about the X, Y, or >Z detail that they didn't get just right. There doesn't seem to be any >appreciation for a good try. > >I don't know how far off my perception is, or if it's spot on. This list >does, like any, have it's share of know-it-alls, no matter what the subject >or tangent. I've learned to either ignore or laugh at them (I find at >least one of them consistently entertaining, although some of her >information is good, but I suspect it's really more of a personality issue >I have with her, and no, she doesn't know me from anywhere, but she posts a >great deal). I'd like to jump in some times and offer my own experience, >but just -- hesitate because I don't want to look like an idiot if I get it >wrong, and get jumped on by people with better access to information, more >education, and moreover *more time* to spend at this incredibly consuming, >wonderful hobby of ours. > >I suppose, if someone who has a few pretty good suits of clothes behind her >feels uncomfortable offering advice, where would this leave a novice? > >Meagn >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 13:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25242 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IT4l9014350; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6IT1e4008089; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6IS5e4007334 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoQYRxuFvwucGPnA2GaR7VH/znQ9ntvkUQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKC8QFH7; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:27:55 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021206.132747.-409781.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4,13-14,20-21,24-28 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:27:46 -0500 Status: RO >>>I suppose, if someone who has a few pretty good suits of clothes behind her feels uncomfortable offering advice, where would this leave a novice?>>> Asking dumb and not so dumb questions, of course. I have been sewing almost all my life, but Medieval clothing is a bit different from what I am used to (but then so were the Star Trek uniforms). I recently started a bit of a thread when I asked about pleating a Tudor gown that I am making from totally inappropriate fabric. The answers I got were helpful and no one flamed me for making a pink polished cotton Tudor gown. If it works, I will make the same gown in the proper fabrics, but Margo's wonderful Elizabethan patterns only go so far in helping with Tudor clothing. If we are to learn, we must ask questions. If we don't ask and don't have the Library of Congress at our fingertips, how do we get it even close to right. Everyone takes liberties with authenticity at one time or another even if it is just sewing the garment with off the rack poly/cotton thread. The main point is to know the correct way to go even if you don't follow it to the max. I got off the SCA garb list because there were too many "authorities" with too little knowledge who were just looking to flame others. This list is much kinder, if a bit too windy at times. Had to put my two cents worth in and add to the breeze. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 13:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25290 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ig4l9016135; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ig1e4015883; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40909.mail.yahoo.com (web40909.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6Iewe4015251 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:40:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.104.32.34] by web40909.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:40:52 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021206175202.16341.46581.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:40:52 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I have mixed feelings about this list, but love it all the same. When I first found it, I posted a bit in the beginning, and promptly sounded like a silly ass. Some of my assumptions were gently but firmly set straight by more knowledgeable folks, and the challenges I received forced me to take a closer look at my beliefs. For instance, I'm the one who said, "I can't believe women didn't wear underwear in the 14th century to help with chafing." Boy, did THAT get examined. A good friend and local costumer much more experienced than I am, still brings it up (names deleted) in classrooms as an example of the dangerous "Would Have" statement: Unless you are a scholar on the entire socio-politico-religico-economic state of a period, try to avoid saying "They would have done x.." Anyway, I agree that there's an element of one-ups-manship on this list, but that's hard to avoid when there are folks who have toiled long and hard to gain their knowledge through the years. I've learned a LOT here, and I'll take the occasional snippy correction if it means I'm going to learn where I'm in error. This is not to say I'm a push-over -- sometimes I'm not convinced. In general, though, I don't provide information here anymore unless I'm 100% air-tight sure about it, because it WILL be challenged. That may be because there's an unspoken hierarchy on this list -- some folks aren't proven, and thus are challenged. Others are known, and are sacrosanct (sometimes). Just a thought. (Please don't shoot me.) Tasha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 14:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25397 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6J54l9018765; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6J51e4028813; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6J4He4028367 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.118] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A38531F018E; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c29d5a$92ab1be0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29D30.A90D3000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:06:24 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29D30.A90D3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the historical houses I assist with is expanding its costume/ = education program. Since we are in a probable winter clime, there has = been a request for 'head covers' to wear outside on the street...that = will be warm. What are some of the credible resources that will best = answer this problem. I have some Fascinators from the mid 19th C and = wonder if these knitted hoods might have been a rediscovery then, of an = earlier time.Any thoughts? Kathleen ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29D30.A90D3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One of the historical houses I assist with is = expanding its=20 costume/ education program. Since we are in a probable winter clime, = there has=20 been a request for 'head covers' to wear outside on the street...that = will be=20 warm. What are some of the credible resources that will best answer this = problem.  I have some Fascinators from the mid 19th C and wonder if = these=20 knitted hoods might have been a rediscovery then, of an earlier time.Any = thoughts?   Kathleen
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29D30.A90D3000-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 14:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25404 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:09:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6J81l9019066; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6J80e4000661; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6J7ce4000469 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206190737.91214.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:07:37 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:07:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Tasha McGann wrote: > > In general, though, I don't provide information here > anymore unless I'm 100% air-tight sure about it, > because it WILL be challenged. That may be because > there's an unspoken hierarchy on this list -- some > folks aren't proven, and thus are challenged. Others > are known, and are sacrosanct (sometimes). Just a > thought. (Please don't shoot me.) Huhm.. hmmm.. damn, you have a point. A good one. *scratches head* Guess I better go and shoot myself instead. Dang. Nicole - bitchy blabbermouth ;-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 16:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26116 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LGMl9000897; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:16:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LFHe4008263; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6L8pe4004662 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.151] (pm5-151.eos.net [205.133.149.151]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26824 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021204190010.13342.53862.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: hobbit feet Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:06:14 -0500 Status: RO My quick scan of the EIGHT or so digests that came today don't show an answer to the question, although I might have missed it. So here goes: According to the DVD, it took nearly two hours to get the hobbits ready each day, most of that for the feet. They did not wear the feet on days that the shooting wouldn't show them (apparently, they had the shots worked out very closely) and were very glad of those days! But some days they didn't get to the shots showing the hobbit feet. Mr. Austin, who played Sam, kept track and there were 50 such days. I would have kept track too! There's all kinds of interesting stuff on the DVD. I highly recommend it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 16:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26137 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:20:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LH7l9000962; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LH1e4009116; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6L9re4005168 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-21-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.21.37] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KPjM-0004hD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:09:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c29d6c$5a5d7be0$251523d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Stunning 1870 Velvet Mantle/B.Altman Label Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:13:37 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Ebay has a 'Stunning 1870 Velvet Mantle/B.Altman Label' at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1901858292 which may be of interest... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 16:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26221 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:34:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LY3l9002449; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LY1e4018131; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6LXTe4017822 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.132] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A7A7B168011A; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:33:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01f801c29d71$0fbcec60$84432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> <3DEF4B85.619FCDD4@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Subject: [h-cost] Kool Aid dyeing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:34:01 -0500 Status: RO <<<<<>>.. Still have a lot of messages to read, but 1 pkg. to 1 oz. of wool is the proportion, and it needs to be heated. It's quite colorfast. Do not apply a concentrated mix to your teenager's hair-----it's pretty acid, and burns the skin. I know someone who did. Yes, it will color their hair. Works on wool and animal based fibers, not cellulose based (cotton and linen) very well. Just use a quart jar to try it-----dump in a pkg. of KoolAid, add water, add fabric or fiber that's been washed to get out any oil, and set it in the sun for a day. Or oven on low, or other heat source. Yes, microwave too, short time. Then let it cool in solution. If done right, the liquid left will be clear, the fiber having taken up all the color agent. Rinse well. Lots of colors to use, lots of fun! Some of them turn out quite surprising, not what you expected at all. If it's too pale, use 2 pkgs. The blueberry makes a light aqua----or did last year. They keep changing the names and apparently the color content too. Diane S. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 16:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26320 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:50:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ln6l9003655; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:49:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ln2e4025825; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Lmle4025695 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB6Llfg7010309 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212062147.gB6Llfg7010309@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Bjarne og Leif Drews" at Dec 05, 2002 08:20:12 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:47:41 -0800 (PST) Status: RO where did you get your taffeta? I've been drooling over the sale taffetas at Thai Silks -- they are only $11.20 US per yard right now. > > Guess what? > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 17:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26461 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:26:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MOkl9007333; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MOAe4015458; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6MNme4015248 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:23:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12200 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.90) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:22:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF1230C.D18BF6D2@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: <20021206102107.L71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:22:04 -0500 Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > > I did get to examine a pair of early 17th c. paned sleeves a while back, > and wrote down the details of how the thing was put together. I can > forward you the info, if you're interested. (I didn't get to take photos > unfortunately. :( > Drea please do. I thought about cutting two sleeve patterns in half and using a mutton sleeve top gathing it to the narrower sleeve ,adding trim to cover the seam, laying the panes over the pouf and attaching the panes with buttons or simlper stitches. I fear it will all cave in from the weight of the panes. I wonder if this would work if I used some type of interfacing to keep the fullness? Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 17:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26495 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MaLl9008460; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MaLkG022319; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6MZKkG021634 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqTsqFBsFt6YjEySWLxik9RbeMy+Yz6Zyg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKDNUC28; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:34:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021206.173353.-65921.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:33:52 -0500 Status: RO <<>> But such a pretty one! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 17:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26499 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MaGl9008442; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MaFkG022254; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MXikG020825 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-58-249-51.s51.tnt1.nwhv.ct.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.249.51] helo=rcn.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18KR2V-0007VI-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF125D0.F2F8425E@rcn.com> From: Catelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN010799 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com References: <2345AB9EF3A3D3118D2300508B0E8B522E7219@MANAFORT2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fox Tails Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:52 -0500 Status: RO > Subject: Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:14:32 -0000 > Hi all, > > I see that Sarah L. Goodman's article on Farthingales and > Bumrolls.... at > > http://www.elizabethanlady.com/farthingales.html > > includes a reference to foxtails being worn in much earlier periods > under the gown to improve the figure, and I have come across a number > of other references to this. However, I'm still baffled as to how this > actually worked, in practise,and would welcome suggestions. > > best wishes > Stevie > > The evidence is scanty. > > If we had more, of course, the evidence would be Of 'scanties'. > > Ahem, sorry, don't know what I was thinking. > > Here's what I found in a brief look through my books: > The evidence is scanty. > > If we had more, of course, the evidence would be Of 'scanties'. > > Ahem, sorry, don't know what I was thinking. > > Here's what I found in a brief look through my books: The evidence is scanty. If we had more, of course, the evidence would be 'of "scantie"'. ahem, sorry, don't know what i was thinking. Here's what I found in a brief look through Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince, by Stella Mary Newton: Page 9, a quote from a chronicle of England known as Brut, covering the years 1333 to 1377, in the section around 1344-6: "And the women surpass the men in their clothing which is so tight that they hand fox-tails under their dresses at the back to hide their arses," & degenerates into the usual blaming of every evil on clothing. A later chronicler, John of Reading, probably relied on this source in his own chronicle. That is all that Ms. Newton could find. Take it for what it's worth. Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 17:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26553 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Mk7lB009384; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MTIe4018455; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:29:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6MS7e4017749 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18160 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.90) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:28:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF12453.D070A93@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: <3.0.6.32.20021206082555.00d992f0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:27:31 -0500 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > > This is assuming you are familiar with the basics of pattern making. Start > with a sleeve sloper. draw a horizontal line at the level where you want > the fullness to begin. Slash along this line. Then slash the upper part > of the sleeve into several vertical sections, and pivot them so that the > upper edges flare outward while the lower portions are still touching the > lower part at the sides. Trace. Correct the side lines, to smooth curves > if you want the lowere sleeve to fit tight to the arm, or to straight lines > if you want a more triangular shape. You will probably want to increase the > height of the sleeve cap by as much as several inches, depending on how > much fullness you're adding. Then draw in your lines where you want the > panes to be, slash along those lines, and add seam allowances. > > Clear as mud, no? > Margo its very clear. Honestly. Makes more sense then what I was envisioning. I have learned not to use polyfill to make a sleeve puff out. It manages to make the sleeve heavy which in turn pulls down on the shoulder strap. Thank you, Diana -who is saying a thousand times over I can do this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 17:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26577 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:53:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Mp2l9009813; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Mp1kG029777; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.152]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6MoikG029532 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:50:38 -0800 Received: from 12.232.2.255 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:50:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.2.255] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 22:50:38.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[E58138D0:01C29D79] Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:50:38 -0800 Status: RO Byt the time I get this out, someone will probably have corrected me, but: The 1851 dress is *not* supposed to be a Quinciniera dress - that's pattern 7159. I suspect that the yucky color scheme is mostly due to the timing of the release - that it came out in their Winter catalog, so they made it in vaguely Christmas-y colors. If you look at the "front and back view" using the design viewer though, it looks as if the two dresses are from the same designer (based on how the design sketch has that peculiar barbie-head on it)... So perhaps there was some intention of making it a second option for a quinciera dress. -Laura the Geek. On Thursday 05 December 2002 07:29 pm, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > distantdesigns@hotmail.com writes: > > That > > pattern is being sold as a 15th birthday spanish gown. I can't spell > > that word, but it's a big deal on a girls big birthday to have a ball > > etc. and that is the advertising on this pattern. > > Ah! A quinciera dress! That makes sense. Interesting, though. In these > parts, those dresses tend to be intense pastels (if there is such a > thing--you know, saturated lavender, pink, etc.) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26653 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6N95l9011993; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6N94kG008424; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21411.mail.yahoo.com (web21411.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6N89kG007944 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:08:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021206230809.2853.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.45] by web21411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:08:09 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <7b.3be0b73.2b212cde@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I think that the decline in membership is due to several issues. When I first heard about H-Cost from someone on the SCA-Garb list, I was being discouraged from subscribing if I had any problems with flame-wars. The impression at that time was that this list spent more time flaming each other than not, and that to subscribe on digest long enough to go through the archives for what I wanted was the best way to go. I didn't listen, and am glad. Yes, there are a lot of heated discussions, and I've watched some people whose advice I dearly treasured go away, but I'm LEARNING. Now that Yahoo and other groups are so prevalent, it is very easy to have several groups which specialize on a time period or culture--so people cut out more of the general groups in order to have time to keep up with those. Real life: simply keeping up with the bills or children is bad enough...but then there are those of you also running a business or researching things for articles, books or lectures. Some people seem to be able to still post here and do all of those things, others cannot. I went the other route...dropped about 35 groups which were specializing in certain cultures or time periods (and other things) and kept this one for a general overview of many more areas. Of course, that leads me to things like my package from Lavolta Press last week, while I was at the LA garment district! Instead of concentrating only on 14th century Welsh, I'm adding things that can only be worn somewhere else. wolfcat (who is definitely glad it's friday!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26688 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NI3l9012807; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NI2kG012890; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NCZkG010105 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:12:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB6NCZPF010104 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:12:35 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20021206161219.A8602@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Japanese link Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:12:34 -0700 Status: RO Please repost the link to the SCA Japanese garb info? Thanks! ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26706 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:20:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NJ1l9012905; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NJ0kG013429; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf38bis.bellsouth.net (mail119.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NIDkG012952 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlphaB ([67.35.52.20]) by imf03bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021206224417.BIXO6024.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@AlphaB> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:44:17 -0500 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: Lurking RE: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <003c01c29d78$bf69bf10$5f67fea9@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021206.132747.-409781.0.catpurson@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:42:19 -0500 Status: RO Hi, My name is Ann and I am a lurker. I come from a Renn Faire background. My local faire (Georgia Renaissance Festival) is not known for its authenticity, but I have caught the urge to make my clothing better and more accurate. I have learned Sooooo much here, and laughed, and yearned, and learned. I use H-Costume almost as I used to specialty magazines for a subjects that I want to learn about. When I have asked questions here, people have always answered me politely and helpfully. Of course, I never tried to act as if I knew everything either! Occasionally, a few people seem to be getting spiteful when they disagree, but overall this is a very polite and kind group. It isn't a flame if someone disagrees, or wants to know your documentation. I have been on lists that were very nasty over beginners' questions, and were haughty if you couldn't go to a certain museum to examine originals. Sorry, I can't afford to travel that way. Even the hierarchy here is one of earned position. Also, I don't have time to sew for the past several months, and this is a very busy list sometimes. I often don't read this list for 2 or 3 days. There were over 160 messages when I started reading this evening (less than 48 hours since I last read). Back to lurking, cheerfully. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lalah T Tillinghast Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:28 PM Asking dumb and not so dumb questions, of course. I have been sewing almost all my life, but Medieval clothing is a bit different from what I am used to (but then so were the Star Trek uniforms). I recently started a bit of a thread when I asked about pleating a Tudor gown that I am making from totally inappropriate fabric. The answers I got were helpful and no one flamed me for making a pink polished cotton Tudor gown. If it works, I will make the same gown in the proper fabrics, but Margo's wonderful Elizabethan patterns only go so far in helping with Tudor clothing. If we are to learn, we must ask questions. If we don't ask and don't have the Library of Congress at our fingertips, how do we get it even close to right. Everyone takes liberties with authenticity at one time or another even if it is just sewing the garment with off the rack poly/cotton thread. The main point is to know the correct way to go even if you don't follow it to the max. I got off the SCA garb list because there were too many "authorities" with too little knowledge who were just looking to flame others. This list is much kinder, if a bit too windy at times. Had to put my two cents worth in and add to the breeze. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26741 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:26:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NPEl9013420; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NPDkG016605; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:25:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NOskG016407 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:24:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.89.142.58]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20021206232447.YIXW13909.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:24:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3DF131C7.83443B40@worldnet.att.net> From: Justine Magill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021206141943.26959.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Current Projects Was how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:24:55 -0500 Status: RO I prefer to look at the bright side of things. This list is a great source of information and sources. Truthfully I dont post often cause I am a busy girl! LOL So, in my copious amounts of spare time, I will at some point complete my big projects. My current projects are as follows: A floor length green silk houppeland, lined with black silk and with long dagged sleeves for my local group's Knight Marshal (sca group) as a thank you for help with leather work A new arming cote for the head of my household of linen and quilted (admittedly machine quilting, but hey, I have only so much time and he needs this soon) Reworking the german renn gown my sister made for me - it is a cranach style gown with a standing collar. It needs lining with horsehair interfacing to make the collar stand and to prevent the front from buckling when I sit. I also need to create the hat that goes with the gown. A Elenora of Toledo dress as found in the Janet Arnold pof. I am currently creating the undergown which will be of an ivory silk, with a built in corset. I know there is no evidence of a corset built into the gown but my sister needs the support. And making it part of the undergown will be easier for her. This project will use heavy linen and reeds for the boning, and is going to be hand sewn completely. I need to fit the mock up/ muslin/ sloper/ toille/ what-ever-you-want-to-call-it to my sister. When that is done, the stitching will commence. The overdress for the above gown, will be made of crimson duchess satin (the colors are reversed, in the original gown the ivory was on the outside, and the crimson was the undergown, my sister looks better in crimson) with the embroidered guards following the pattern outlined in the Janet Arnold book. I have black cotton velvet for the embroidery. I am still trying to decide how I am going to finish the edges of the embroidery when I do the cutting away of the velvet as was done on the original. I think they mentioned wax, I am not sure I want to do that. I am considering a bath of diluted elmers glue. This entire dress is going to be hand done as well. This is my practice piece. The next dress will be a few years coming, but I am working on making myself a Pheonix gown. I need to talk to someone about metal casting, either learning it for myself or doing the sculpting of the wax molds for them so I can replicate the jewelry. I am analyzing the blackwork pattern in the partlet, and I am teaching myself bobbin lace so I can create the ruffs. I need to find appropriate velvet for this gown as well. Unfortunately, I will have to go with glass pearls for the gown, unless I get a bit crazy and buy pearls a bit at a time. It will be a while, but this gown is what the elenora of toldeo gown is the practice piece for. As always, I am available to the members of my shire for whatever sewing needs they have, either to help them with problems or other things, so projects come and go around here. This is the laundry list so far! so, as you can see, I am a tad busy, what with going back to college for my degree and all. Jenne N Kipar wrote: > > Oh Jenne, don't go back into lurking, please? I know it isalways us same ones > who are posting/talking and I know I for one sometimes really do talk too much > (hey, can I help it that I feel so strongly about many things? *laughs*) but > that's also because we _are_ always the same ones posting. It would be > WONDERFUL if more people posted, it really would. > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:30:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26766 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:30:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NT2l9013906; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NT1kG019339; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01-srv.alltel.net (mta01.alltel.net [166.102.165.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NSxkG019317 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:28:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from shamah ([162.40.197.132]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20021206232858.OMV10620.mta01-srv.alltel.net@shamah> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:28:58 -0600 From: "Jamie Zdziarski" To: Subject: RE: DSPAM: Lurking RE: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <004501c29d7f$455dae50$0200000a@shamah> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <003c01c29d78$bf69bf10$5f67fea9@AlphaB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:29:06 -0500 Status: RO Ann, I frequent the GRF too! Didn't make it there last year due to it only being open in the spring....do you know why they quit opening in the fall? Anyhow I'm a lurker, not because I fear flaming but because y'all are so much more knowledgeable than I am in practically everything. I don't always read 100% of the email but there are many discussions that capture my interest. I don't have a particular time period I'm interested in, it ALL interests me. So keep on discussing!! Jamie -----Original Message----- Hi, My name is Ann and I am a lurker. I come from a Renn Faire background. My local faire (Georgia Renaissance Festival) is not known for its authenticity, but I have caught the urge to make my clothing better and more accurate. I have learned Sooooo much here, and laughed, and yearned, and learned. I use H-Costume almost as I used to specialty magazines for a subjects that I want to learn about. When I have asked questions here, people have always answered me politely and helpfully. Of course, I never tried to act as if I knew everything either! Occasionally, a few people seem to be getting spiteful when they disagree, but overall this is a very polite and kind group. It isn't a flame if someone disagrees, or wants to know your documentation. I have been on lists that were very nasty over beginners' questions, and were haughty if you couldn't go to a certain museum to examine originals. Sorry, I can't afford to travel that way. Even the hierarchy here is one of earned position. Also, I don't have time to sew for the past several months, and this is a very busy list sometimes. I often don't read this list for 2 or 3 days. There were over 160 messages when I started reading this evening (less than 48 hours since I last read). Back to lurking, cheerfully. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26787 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NW3l9014180; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NW2kG021085; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NVNkG020734 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.25] (as3-4-39.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.25]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB6NVL005234 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:31:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> References: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:57:49 -0800 Status: RO At 10:10 AM -0500 12/6/02, Dhannti wrote: >I know I have asked a lot of questions before so add this to my >curiosity. Is there a list of recommanded reading for different periods >of clothing styles and construction? I presently own a number of books >but I feel like I am missing something. If there isn't, it would certainly be a useful resource. It can't possibly be complete -- there are periods for which there simply aren't good resources; and it can't possibly be definitive -- there will always be very fuzzy dividing lines between "very useful background material" and "misleading enough that it should be used only by experienced researchers". But it would be interesting to see a composite, annotated list of books for various eras for which people take the position "I can't imagine doing anything in this era without being familiar with this book". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:45:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26855 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:45:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ni2l9015134; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Ni0kG027738; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx15.cluster0.charter.net [209.225.8.25] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NhZkG027547 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 6317763 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00d001c29d81$33b2e7e0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: <3DEF21FF.3820.272EDC4C@localhost> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating (was Tudor question) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:42:55 -0600 Status: RO I'm having a hard time imagining how this works. I usually have a hard time trying to imagine what some technique looks like without a picture attached ;-) Could you try explaining it again? Or do you have pictures/sketches of this technique? > Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one > edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If > you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want > to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the > pleat. Where you place the pleat on the edge makes a difference too. > Also, how much padding, where and how many gathering threads you use, > etc. Re: lurking - I've been on this list for awhile now (three years? four?) but still mostly lurk around the corners. While I too have done some fairly nice garments, especially for my husband, I don't have confidence in my tailoring skills. I feel like I'm just not getting the little details right that make the whole outfit look like it jumped out of a portrait. And I *know* I haven't researched and read as much as some people on the list in my currently chosen area (Elizabethan). So, I hang out, absorb everything that goes by, ooh and aah over everybody's pictures (and hope that one day I, too, will have either a digital camera or a scanner so I can show off too!) and generally learn as much as possible. :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26863 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nj1l9015212; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nj1kG028220; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB6NiqkG028150 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:44:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24070 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:44:51 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:44:51 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-117.sonic.net [209.148.112.117]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB6NipX31340 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:44:51 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF136D1.3874B970@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Lurking RE: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <003c01c29d78$bf69bf10$5f67fea9@AlphaB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:46:26 -0800 Status: RO > Even the hierarchy here is one > of earned position. > There is zero need for any hierarchy on a mailing list. I personally just ignore the whole issue and say whatever I want to whoever I want. Fran -------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:48:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26869 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nl1l9015346; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nl0kG029193; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NkfkG028992 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KSB5-000LVL-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:46:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge picture of Arwen without correct underpinnings References: <000b01c29bad$c2edb140$650224d9@dan> <013201c29bb2$20bf3100$31baee0c@c59303a> <3DEE9014.2000303@oldwaylane.net> In-Reply-To: <3DEE9014.2000303@oldwaylane.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:45:03 +0000 Status: RO Judy Mitchell wrote >chiara wrote: >> That is not a bra strap silly. :) >> That is the underdress. You can see that there are three layers to >>this >> dress. Two blue, one cream. The thing you are seeing is the top of the last >> layer. :) > > Actually, it is a bra strap. We thought for a while it might >have been tape - but it's not. And the dress is actually steel grey >(they do a lot of color tweaking). She has three dresses that are this >same 2 layered style, with variations on the sleeves; and another 2 >that are very similar but only single layer. This is apparently her >"Human" style of clothing as opposed to her Elvish styles. > Well, there's your answer. I was sure Elves didn't need bras, but obviously the human element can get a bit droopy ;-) Jean > BTW, Stevie, you didn't see it in the movie because it's not a >dress from FotR, it's briefly in the new one. There have been a few >pics of it around including the one where she's dropping her cape. > > > -Judy Mitchell >http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26889 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:52:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Np1l9015794; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Np0kG001339; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6No2kG000890 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KSEL-000LlK-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:50:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question References: <20021204.184214.-211469.0.Cley@juno.com> <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:48:51 +0000 Status: RO Jane Williams wrote >On 4 Dec 2002 at 15:52, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > >> Jane wrote: >> > Sadly, most British squashes aren't juice. "Orange >> > squash" is usually orange food colouring, orange >> > flavouring, half a ton of sugar, and added Vitamin C >> > to convince you it's healthy. >> >> Ah! We call that Kool Aid here across the pond. 8) > >Well, that explains a mystery. I'd heard of that, and >assumed it was a dressing for burns :) > >If we call something "juice", it's juice. Nope. Here in Scotland, all approximately fruit-flavoured drinks can be "juice" - just like in Manchester, all sweets can be "toffees". We have fizzy juice and diluting juice, as well as "real" juice. Jean >Mainly, >anyway. Take fruit, and squeeze. Maybe add sugar, >preservatives, colour, if it's going in a long-life >carton, but the main content was once fruit. > >"Juice drink" would be a watered down version of the >above. ("contains at least 10% real orange!") > >Then you get squashes with added juice. > >And at the bottom of the ladder, just "squash". Don't >go there. > >BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain >cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be >used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 18:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26894 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:53:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nq2l9015855; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nq1kG001725; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NpEkG001432 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Q00G7H24XKX@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF13717.4050607@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] The list, flaming...etc... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:47:35 -0600 Status: RO I have been on this list since late in its first year. It's true there used to be a lot more people on it, with a lot more diverse, ideas, and opinions. I have never been personally flamed, but I think I was once out-referenced and out-curriculum vitaed by someone... they had absolutely no problem using wording, and attitude to convey their opinion that I was a bit underclass to be saying anything. It was never anything outright, but definetely implied. I actually did stop posting or reading the list after that for awhile. Then I decided to the contrary, I had things to talk about. And even at my infantile historic costuming level I could contribute, if nothing more than to get conversations started. And I have learned an enourmous amount. As have others that have stuck around. Not all of the people that are now considered "experts" on this list were experts when they first came on, they were and still are students in many ways. I can remember Penny as a hyper college student (she is still hyper):D, Drea was just beginning her in-depth studies of Elizabethan clothing, and many others just beginning in their journey. I joined this list, not to become a historian, but to learn what was historically accurate, so I could teach others how to fake the look in an affordable way. I still suggest less than historic procedures on some stuff. And it usually gets a "response" or rebuttal, which is ok with me. I think it is a shame that some people left, because a few do get a little over enthusiastic in their passion for accuracy. But that was and is their choice. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 19:01:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26934 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:01:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7002l9016456; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7001kG004778; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6Nx4kG004382 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB6Nw0o3012334 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212062358.gB6Nw0o3012334@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Jean Waddie" at Dec 06, 2002 11:48:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Sometimes I wonder if this list is really all about english/american/aussie/ etc etc etc translation... it seems every month the topic erupts Yet Again of "what do YOU call that?" and it's usually not even sewing or costume related. I've been on the list almost ten years now, and I am still regularly amazed how much that pops up. that, more than any flaming that has ever happened, is the only thing that's made me want to leave. I just kind of shake my head and go "that again?" and delete the next 100 - 150 messages from the list. But, it's a discussion list, and I guess that's what we like to discuss. *ducking before she gets flamed* .heather.meadows. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 19:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26955 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NvBl9016211; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NvAkG003668; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6NsjkG002727 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KSIu-000MBw-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:54:44 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:53:10 +0000 Status: RO "Headrail" is a word I only use for early medieval, for a large rectangular bit of cloth, fixed in whatever way around your head/neck/shoulders. I go over to "veil" for more specific, shaped things, particularly where they don't wrap around. But most of these distinctions are modern. I haven't a clue what might have been termed a headrail in Elizabethan times. I can't picture anything _big_ enough in Elizabethan headgear. Jean Joy Shillaker wrote >I wonder if any Elizabethan costumers could help me please. > >Is there a difference between a biggins and a coif and if so what is it? > >Does anyone know of any pictures of headrails? or, (fingers crossed) >extant head rails? > >regards >Joy Shillaker > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 19:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27075 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70I2l9018019; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70I0kG011741; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70FCkG010805 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip156.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.156]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB70F911029883 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:15:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021205194500.00af37a0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NZ and LotR PreRaphaelites In-Reply-To: <20021130140100.95284.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <008501c2986a$798e00e0$e1ceadcb@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:45:36 -0500 Status: RO Hey, Nicole, What does this lamp look like, and where did you get it? Sounds _very_ interesting! -- Mara At 02:01 PM 11/30/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Nicole - about to fix the new ceiling lamp: a 'copy' of those Flemish 17th >century brass ones. *G* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 19:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27080 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70IFl9018047; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70IEkG011833; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB70FEkG010832 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip156.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.156]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB70F913029883 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:15:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021205195902.00af37a0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color in art (was Tippets) In-Reply-To: <3DEA98DE.6057F497@in-tch.com> References: <200212011419.56014.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:04:10 -0500 Status: RO At 04:18 PM 12/1/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm wondering, for instance, about the reds. Now, we've been >experimenting with natural dyes lately (it seems to be the newest "in >thing" in my local SCA group), and have gotten some wonderful reds and >rusts and such with various period-appropriate dyes and mordants and >fibers, but not that eye-popping cherry-red. Darn....memory just kicked >in. I have seen one extant textile (a cut-and-voided velvet) with a red >that cherry-colored. Later time period, though (16th c.). The pre-Columbian (i.e, before Christopher Columbus made his voyage) insect dye that would get you a cherry pink would be kermes, which was pretty scarce and expensive. I think there's another insect dye -- St. John's something or other, it's in one of my books -- that does the same thing, but again, scarce and expensive. Liles says you can get a garnet red with madder root, but you have to add lots of calcium, and it's still not that cherry red color you're talking about; I'm guessing it would still have that rust undertone that you usually get from madder. >Also, despite what seems like an infinite variety of yellows and greens, >I don't see many in pictures...were they painted less often because they >were more common (and hence, less desirable?)? or because it wasn't as >easy to achieve those colors in certain media? Because yellow is one of those dyes (and paint colors) that fades over time, I'd guess... That's one of the 'myths' of 18th century costume. I've heard of people being told that 'green isn't period' -- well, actually, it IS, it's just that by the time that Indian block-printed textile gets to us, the greens have faded to blue because the yellow dye has faded. - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 20:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27271 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:16:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71E5l9021225; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71E2kG009657; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71DSkG009205 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB71CC8f012953; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212070112.gB71CC8f012953@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] G&H Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:12:12 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Greenberg and Hammer is finally online -- looks like their online store isnt' all there yet, but the corset supplies are up. yay! http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/ now if they'd get their patternmaking supplies online, i'd be thrilled. .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 20:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27388 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:40:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71b2l9022289; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71b1kG021491; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB71agkG021348 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.73.2a25f7f3 (16781) for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:36:32 -0500 (EST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <73.2a25f7f3.2b22aaa0@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.2a25f7f3.2b22aaa0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:36:32 EST Status: RO --part1_73.2a25f7f3.2b22aaa0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been on this list off and on since the beginning. I used to post quite a bit in the old days but now that I've got a toddler to chase around the house it's all I can do to keep up with reading email, much less writing it. That's my excuse. ;-) I do think Fran had a good point though about this list not being a list for "100% historically accurate reenactors." I know this may come a surprise to some but...not everyone is trying to be historically accurate all the time! We have different reasons for doing this - theater, fashion design, role-playing games, Halloween/costume parties, movie recreations - are just a few of the examples I can think of where historic *authenticity* may not be a goal at all. I like to think of this list as a list about historic costume in all its permutations -- from poly satin flapper dresses with rayon fringe to silk civ war repros and everything in between. That's the gamut I run anyway! Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com --part1_73.2a25f7f3.2b22aaa0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've been on this list off and on since the beginning.  I used to post quite a bit in the old days but now that I've got a toddler to chase around the house it's all I can do to keep up with reading email, much less writing it.  That's my excuse.  ;-)

I do think Fran had a good point though about this list not being a list for "100% historically accurate reenactors."  I know this may come a surprise to some but...not everyone is trying to be historically accurate all the time!  We have different reasons for doing this - theater, fashion design, role-playing games, Halloween/costume parties, movie recreations - are just a few of the examples I can think of where historic *authenticity* may not be a goal at all. 

I like to think of this list as a list about historic costume in all its permutations -- from poly satin flapper dresses with rayon fringe to silk civ war repros and everything in between. That's the gamut I run anyway!

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
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 --part1_73.2a25f7f3.2b22aaa0_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 21:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27525 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72N1l9024445; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72N0kG007173; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72MjkG007119 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.186.244.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.186.244]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KUc8-0002Ii-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:22:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021205113202.00f02400@pop.directcon.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021205113202.00f02400@pop.directcon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:55:39 -0800 Status: RO At 11:32 AM -0800 12/5/02, Margo Anderson wrote: >At 09:24 AM 12/05/2002 +0000, Joy Shillaker wrote: >>I wonder if any Elizabethan costumers could help me please. >> >>Is there a difference between a biggins and a coif and if so what is it? >> >the way I classify them, is that the biggins is the baby bonnet shaped >item, usually with a strap or ties under the chin. The coif is the one >that has a point on the forehead and sides that curve in at the cheeks. > >However, I don't know that the distinction was there in the period. In >fact, I think it's likely that "coif" meant any number of styles of closely >fitted headwear, rather the way we use "cap" today. And furthermore, one of those items is a *BIGGIN*. (No "s" at the end.) Renaissance Faire folklore persists in referring to it with the "s" ending due to a long-ago misunderstanding of some sources. (Or at least so says our local Costume Goddess -- I haven't checked the Oxford English Dictionary.) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 21:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27579 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72Z2l9025028; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72Z1kG010325; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB72YwkG010285 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:34:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.102] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AD259C94014C; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C29D6F.67DA84E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Favorite Designers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:35:32 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C29D6F.67DA84E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a new topic for consideration: With the Twentieth Century = getting further behind us, and it was a century when fashion designers = became Known in their own right, who impresses you or has influenced = your own design interpretations and what influence will they make in the = ever evolving world of Historical Costuming. Anne Hollander in "Seeing = Through Clothes" makes the case for fashion of any age being re = interpreted subsequently in terms of the current mode of aesthetics; ( = and this can certainly be observed in the 20th C ideas pursued by the = movie mogul designers, as well as any time the Fashion runways quote the = fads and fancies of the past.) {Another semi-lurker, Kathleen M...A = list observer since the early 90's.]=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C29D6F.67DA84E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a new topic for consideration: With the = Twentieth=20 Century getting further behind us, and it was a century when fashion = designers=20 became Known in their own right, who impresses you or has influenced = your own=20 design interpretations and what influence will they make in the ever = evolving=20 world of Historical Costuming. Anne Hollander in "Seeing Through = Clothes" makes=20 the case for fashion of any age being re interpreted subsequently in = terms of=20 the current mode of aesthetics; ( and this can certainly be observed in = the 20th=20 C ideas pursued by the movie mogul designers, as well as any time the = Fashion=20 runways quote the fads and fancies of the past.)   {Another=20 semi-lurker, Kathleen M...A list observer since the early=20 90's.] 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C29D6F.67DA84E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 21:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27611 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7284l9023732; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7281kG003015; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB727CkG002776 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-46-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.46.245 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 02:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:10:28 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne, since you popped up, perhaps you would know the answer to this question. I just got my copy of "Fashion" from KCI and the pictures of dresses from your period are STUNNING! Most of them have what appears to be pinked ruching, or gathered self "ribbons" made of the dress fabric all up and down the fronts of the dresses. The unfinished edges of the fabric that has been pinked or otherwise cut are still nice and clean. How does that work? I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over time. I use fray check in theater, but obviously that did not exist back then. What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? Something I'm missing? Anyone with any knowledge may certainly pipe up. It's a marvelous book. Thanks to the original poster for mentioning it was available. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > Guess what? > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 22:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27693 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:17:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73G2l9026841; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73G1kG021865; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73F0kG021594 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-29-103.o1.jps.net ([216.119.29.103] helo=pavilion) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KVQi-0000l2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:15:00 -0800 Message-ID: <007801c29d9f$a40d6f60$671d77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <3DF13717.4050607@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The list, flaming...etc... Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:18:26 -0800 Status: RO Well, let's see, I think my first comment after lurking around on this list for a month or two was to proclaim that linen was dyed from 1st century AD and what a response I got from that one! I suppose I could have taken it personally and unsubscribed, but I happen to know a bit about the existance of 14th century coloured linen so I attributed the comments I received as extream stupidity. I have since learned that it pays to read all the threads in a subject before commenting as the discussion changes and the question one thinks they are answering is no longer the question at hand. And I must say, that I had not ever thought about linen's use as an outer garment seriously having done living history in hot and humid Brisbane where it was our fabric of choice, so I was thankful that the discussion took place. But, if I had received such a reception when I first started costuming it would have put a real damper on my enthusiasm. This is a great hobby and those just starting out should be encouraged which I do see happening here. I think the idea of a novice day or question is great. Cheers, Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 22:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27721 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:21:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73K5l9027038; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73K1kG022948; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73JvkG022926 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.58] (as3-4-72.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.58]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB73Ju018732 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:19:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:01:29 -0800 Status: RO At 10:40 AM -0800 12/6/02, Tasha McGann wrote: >In general, though, I don't provide information here >anymore unless I'm 100% air-tight sure about it, >because it WILL be challenged. That may be because >there's an unspoken hierarchy on this list -- some >folks aren't proven, and thus are challenged. Others >are known, and are sacrosanct (sometimes). Just a >thought. (Please don't shoot me.) I think there's plenty of room for posting things that one isn't 100% air-tight sure about -- I think it's just a matter of distinguishing the different types of information clearly. People might get riled up if one posted, "Peasants in Lower Slobovia wore socks on their heads" whereas a posting along the lines of , "I've seen some illustrations of peasants in Lower Slobovia with something on their heads that looks remarkably similar to a sock" might provoke an enthusiastic thread about hat construction and Slobovian footwear styles. My experience -- on this as well as other lists -- is that you aren't entirely off-base on the "unspoken hierarchy" observation, but I don't see it as a sinister plot. :) If person X has a history of providing verifiable support and well-reasoned arguments for their statements and conclusions, then they're likely to be cut more slack if they pop off a random comment without supplying the full support and arguments (although a person of this sort is also generally happy to supply them when time allows if asked), and similarly, person X is likely to be given a bit more credence if they come up with an unusual theory or explanation if they have a past history of demonstrating well-constructed and solidly-based theories. If said person X trades on this tendency too heavily, they're likely to lose that status, so it's a fairly self-regulating system. If they stop putting out, they stop being cut the slack. (I tend to be aware of this dynamic because there are a number of subjects, on various lists, where I get cut far more slack than _I_ think I ought to be, and I try to be very careful about _not_ getting lazy about supplying the backup information and reasoning.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 22:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27783 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73Y2l9027508; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73Y1kG027069; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB73XQkG026923 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.186.237.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.186.237] helo=[63.53.186.244]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KViX-0005QJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:33:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:13:53 -0800 Status: RO At 12:04 PM -0500 12/6/02, Tudorldy@aol.com wrote: >[snipping much articulate discussion] >...My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) >deal a little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' (i.e., 1/4" >steels in a 1570s pair of bodies, for instance) that were perfectly >acceptable ten years ago. I know quite a few of the people on this list, and I think you're only partly right about this. It's true that we have quite a few people who start out assuming that people are trying for authenticity. Partly I think that's due to the natural human tendency all of us have to think that everybody else is "just like us" . It also seems to me quite likely that the focus of the list has gradually shifted in that direction, due to the great progress that has been made in knowledge over the last decade or so. However if anyone is concerned about possible criticism for "shortcuts", there's a way to avoid most of it. Just mention, "I know this isn't absolutely authentic, but it's what I can get (or afford, or do, or have time for) right now." Those with _good_ manners, at least, will be much more likely to speak kindly and provide help in doing what you _can_ do in the best way possible. You'll have seen this happen, for instance, with a few recent listmembers who have posted about costuming high school plays with zero budgets, or what to dress an elementary school student in for a special theme day. People who are willing to explain what they're doing _do_ get advice along the lines they're working on. I think the rudeness, most of it totally unintentional, comes purely and simply from posters rushing in to advise without fully understanding the parameters within which the other person is working. We can probably all do a bit better about _explaining_ up front what we're aiming for, rather than letting everyone else make assumptions that can lead to missteps. We can also probably do better at _asking_ what someone is aiming for before jumping in. (As I'm sure you realize, sometimes there's a complaint from the opposite side, too. When someone is looking high and low for suitable linen sewing thread for an especially dyed-in-the-wool historical project, for instance, it can be quite frustrating to hear "But why don't you just use polyester, it's so much easier?" ) Explaining oneself saves _so_ much trouble.... -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 23:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27994 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74Q7l9000314; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74Q1kG011622; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74PCkG011370 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:25:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212070425.gB74PCkG011370@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc58 (rwcrwbc58.attbi.com[204.127.198.47]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021207042507053003n9i9e>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:25:07 +0000 Received: from [205.225.207.97] by rwcrwbc58; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:31:37 +0000 From: mabse@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFic2VAYXR0YmkuY29t Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:31:37 +0000 Status: RO I am relatively new, and I have posted several times. I always feel like a complete idiot whenever I do, but oh, well, it is not an unfamiliar sensation. My fifteen year old daughter who has been obsessed with ballet to the exclusion of most any other activity including eating and sleeping came home yesterday and asked me if I could teach her to draft patterns. Apparently, she had a lecture in her french class from someone from the fashion design institute in San Francisco on the history of French fashion. It must have been a great lecture because she was telling me what she liked and disliked about each era. So now rather than being an astronomer or volcanologist like she has wanted to be since second grade she says she wants to be a fashion designer. She'll change her mind. Rocket science has been the chosen profession in my family for three generations now and I don't see her doing anything else, well, except for ballet. This may seem off topic, but my point, and I do have one, is to let those of you who do this kind of outreach know that it is valued and appreciated. Someone made a difference in her life opening up the world of costume to her, and it probably could have been any of you. So feel good about the work you do researching, documenting and diseminating the kind of information that the people in this group specialize in. Maryann, who is now in the middle of Nutcracker hell. > --- Justine Magill wrote: > *de-lurking* > > > > Actually, the nasty flaming is exactly why I dont post anymore. I sometimes > > do not > > get my point across clearly, and do not say all I meant to because I am > > always in > > somewhat of a hurry due to an insane schedule. Also, I only get to check > > mail in > > the early morning before work, and after work. > > Oh Jenne, don't go back into lurking, please? I know it isalways us same ones > who are posting/talking and I know I for one sometimes really do talk too much > (hey, can I help it that I feel so strongly about many things? *laughs*) but > that's also because we _are_ always the same ones posting. It would be > WONDERFUL if more people posted, it really would. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 23:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28010 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74W6l9000632; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74W1kG013434; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74VVkG013309 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:31:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil2054.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.137.54]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74VMxj006902 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF17AE2.1D797C7F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:36:50 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Amen to the aforementioned comments. If you think women's clothing is hard to accurately document back from the 15th Cent., try looking at such things as men's hose and patterns for cut, wear, etc.. The folks from the Company of St. George (Gerry and John's group) have done signal service, yet there are many differences of opinion on such subjects as the type of wool used and it's effect on the stretch of the cloth (the Merino Controversy), the proper cut of hose, etc. BTW, what is Scott's last publish date for "Gothic Europe", and does anyone have a spare copy for sale? I have seen portions, but I'd like a working copy. I also need a copy of "Visual History" by the same author. I haven't checked e-bay, I'm just asking around the community first... Thanks, Mike T. > > Well, that's a strong statement :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 6 23:34:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28015 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:34:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74X1l9000669; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74X1kG013653; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB74WCkG013463 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:32:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021207043206.DTFP4292.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:32:06 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:32:05 -0500 Status: RO I tried posting this earlier, but I'm not sure it got to the list. Here goes... Well now that I've pretty much solved my wedding dress problem, I'm wondering about my guy. I don't think he's likely to want to wear a houppelande or some such, and definitely not the silly shoes. So I'm trying to think of something different that would still be period (late 14th to early 15th c). He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume of some sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able to find much detailed info online... -- Maral _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 00:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28079 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7542l9002304; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7541kG021414; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB753ZkG021321 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:03:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-16-49.o1.jps.net ([216.119.16.49] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KX7m-0004cD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:03:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c29dae$cff97e20$311077d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:09:23 -0800 Status: RO Maral This did make the list before and all I thought was that I fancied poulaines even more than tippets so I decided to reserve my comment this time. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. > I tried posting this earlier, but I'm not sure it got to the list. Here > goes... > > Well now that I've pretty much solved my wedding dress problem, I'm > wondering about > my guy. I don't think he's likely to want to wear a houppelande or some > such, and definitely not the silly shoes. So I'm trying to think of > something different that would still be period (late 14th to early 15th c). > He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume of some > sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any > middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able to > find much detailed info online... > > -- Maral > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 00:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28083 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7552l9002367; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7551kG021756; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB754bkG021653 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 05:04:37 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 05:04:37 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-75.sonic.net [209.148.112.75]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB754aX28598 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:04:36 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:06:12 -0800 Status: RO > > > However if anyone is concerned about possible criticism for > "shortcuts", there's a way to avoid most of it. Just mention, "I know > this isn't absolutely authentic, but it's what I can get (or afford, > or do, or have time for) right now." Those with _good_ manners, at > least, will be much more likely to speak kindly and provide help in > doing what you _can_ do in the best way possible. If the person does not state what their purpose is, it would be better to ask if authenticity is indeed their desire--rather than assuming that the person is aspiring to it and you just need to know what their limits are. Authenticity is simply not relevant for some costuming purposes. People should not have to start out with an apology to those for whom it is more relevant. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 00:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28182 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:24:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75O3l9003106; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75O1kG026729; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75NikG026644 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:23:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24040 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:32:28 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF17AE2.1D797C7F@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:32:28 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > BTW, what is Scott's last publish date for "Gothic Europe", and does > anyone have a spare copy for sale? I have seen portions, but I'd like > a working copy. I also need a copy of "Visual History" by the same > author. You'll have better luck finding the Visual History book, as that series was longer-lived. Late Gothic Europe came out in 1980. I have been looking for a copy of since maybe 1984 and still don't have one. I had ordered it through a distributor, but it never arrived. I figured I'd see it remaindered eventually, but I never did, and I was unable to find it in most libraries. I found out why when I met Margaret Scott in 1989 and asked her where I might find a copy, as I had had no luck in the London bookstores either. She described an Unfortunate Series of Events. It seems it got a bad review in one of the major US library journals (mostly on the basis of the picture reproductions, which were not particularly good quality), and as a result very few US libraries bought it -- so now you know why it's scarce on this side of the water. Then the remaining copies went up in smoke in a warehouse fire, so there aren't a lot of circulating extras anywhere. The book was first in a series of coffee-table costume books called the "History of Dress" series. The second book was Renaissance Dress in Italy by Jacqueline Herald (1981). The publisher listed on the Herald book was Bell & Hyman in England, and Humanities Press of New Jersey on the American side, though I don't know if any books were actually printed here. On the Scott book, though, the English publisher is Mills & Boon, which is better known for publishing romance novels (sort of like Harlequin). I'm not sure how the ownership of the series worked -- my vague memory is the Mills & Boon started it, they sold the series to Bell & Hyman, and the latter axed it after the second volume. But the story may have been more complicated. In any case, there were never more than two volumes published. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 00:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28236 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:43:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75h3l9003948; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75h1kG001255; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB75gbkG001190 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA29802 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212070604.WAA29802@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese link Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO http://www.raito.com/royalty/index.html under "Projects" Another quick'n'dirty set of directions: http://luxnova.home.mindspring.com/samuraigame/hakama.html http://luxnova.home.mindspring.com/samuraigame/yukata.html Japanese costume museum: http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/index.htm Japanese ukiyo-e ningyo (geisha and actor dolls): http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users/jshoaf/Jdolls/today.htm Japanese crafts and dolls (and kits): http://azumijapanesegallery.com/ A japanese shop that has an english version (good for the photos): http://www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-boku/index.3html.htm I'd also suggest renting Roshimon (Heian-kyo period), or Yojimbo (Edo period) for a really _good_ look at the costumes and how they move. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 02:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25894 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB77j5l9008129; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB77j1kG028887; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB77iwkG028857 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:44:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A6F95BA802A4; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:44:57 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A6FA43000A0; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:44:58 -0600 Message-ID: <00b301c29dc4$8f541b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C29D9A.A5BC4A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:45:05 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C29D9A.A5BC4A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen, One of my big areas of weakness is in fashion designers. My 20th costume history was in 1976. We followed the popular designers of the day, but not the past ones. We studied silhouettes and name of articles of a costume. Being on two email lists, vintage and sewretro, sparked my interest about past designers. They kept talking about this designers and that I had no idea who they were talking about. I was thrilled to get the Hudson and Thames, Dictionary of Fashion Designers and Fashion and could look the designer up when someone mentioned them. This book has become my fashion bible. It doesn't cover every designer, but does carry the most popular ones. I have always been partial to Dior as one of my favorites. But right now I am doing some heavy research into the designer from 1920-1925. I have tons of illustrations from about 30 Parisian designers during this time. I am working on writing bios for them. I am really having a tough time finding bio information about some of the designers. I am compiling all of this information to make an e-book. The way I will be presenting each designer is to have a bio page and then have thumbnails in sequence of time of their designs from 1920-1923. So the reader will see how their designs evolved. It is a small time frame, but a lot happened in the evolution of dress during these four years. What I am really fascinated while compiling this information is the later designers who started out with the 1920s designers. I am also interested in how the '20s designers got their start in the fashion business. Its almost like making a family tree of designers. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C29D9A.A5BC4A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kathleen,
 
One of my big areas of weakness is in fashion designers.  = My 20th costume history was in 1976.  We followed the popular=20 designers of the day, but not the past ones.  We studied = silhouettes and=20 name of articles of a costume.  Being on two email lists, vintage = and=20 sewretro, sparked my interest about past designers.  They kept = talking=20 about this designers and that I had no idea who they were talking = about.  I=20 was thrilled to get the Hudson and Thames, Dictionary of Fashion = Designers and=20 Fashion and could look the designer up when someone mentioned = them.  This=20 book has become my fashion bible.  It doesn't cover every designer, = but=20 does carry the most popular ones. 
    
I have always been partial to Dior as one of my favorites.  = But right=20 now I am doing some heavy research into the designer from = 1920-1925.  I=20 have tons of illustrations from about 30 Parisian designers during = this=20 time.  I am working on writing bios for them.  I am = really having=20 a tough time finding bio information about some of the designers.  = I am=20 compiling all of this information to make an e-book.  The way I = will be=20 presenting each designer is to have a bio page and then have thumbnails = in=20 sequence of time of their designs from 1920-1923.  So the reader = will see=20 how their designs evolved.  It is a small time frame, but a lot = happened in=20 the evolution of dress during these four years.
 
What I am really fascinated while compiling this = information is=20 the later designers who started out with the 1920s designers.  = I am=20 also interested in how the '20s designers got their start in the = fashion=20 business.  Its almost like making a family tree of designers.
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
http://www.onlinecostumeball.co= m
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C29D9A.A5BC4A20-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 03:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21923 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78EwoZ009463; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:24:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB786EkG003723; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:06:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB784dkG003310 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021207080432.NGSP9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:04:32 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. Message-ID: <3DF1AB93.19345.30CC76ED@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000c01c29dae$cff97e20$311077d8@pavilion> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:04:35 -0000 Status: RO On 6 Dec 2002 at 21:09, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > I tried posting this earlier, but I'm not sure it got to the list. It made it, and I was assuming one of the Experts would have answered it by now. > > Here goes... > > Well now that I've pretty much solved my wedding dress problem, I'm > > wondering about my guy. .... > > He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume > > of > some > > sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any > > middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? Looking through my usual SCA_related sites for general info: The Florilegium http://www.florilegium.org/ seems to have a Clothes section, and a Moorish article within that, which might or might not be of use. Cariodoc's Miscellany http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/miscellany.ht ml also has stuff on this period: I know he does a lot of work on the food, so would guess that he'd know something about the clothing. Sorry this is a bit imprecise, but it might be slightly better than zero :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 03:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02396 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:38:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78c2l9010601; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78c1kG011860; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78bekG011771 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:37:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A353273E0270; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:37:39 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A354C4500CA; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:37:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:37:48 -0500 Status: RO I am so thrilled to see so many lurkers coming out!!!!!! Welcome to the newcomers. Please introduce yourself. I never realized that there was a hierarchy on the list. So I called my asst. Susan (a lurker on the list) to explain to me. I guess I just love to talk to everyone who loves costume, so I didn't notice. Truly, I know there are people who have spend their life or a large portion of it studying costume. There are very few people that I have met in our industry that I would call an expert... probably the best experts that I have met are Valerie Steele and Richard Martin, for their time periods and areas of study. I have not come across anyone who is an expert in all time periods for historic costume. Some can tell you all the general silhouettes the time periods, but not all the particulars. No questions are dumb questions... I can give a really good example. I just finished teaching my 1912 film class for the third time. I had spent five years studying the costumes from these films and watched them so many times. At first, the students hardly asked questions. I explained that no questions are dumb questions. I have taught every type of student from 1st grade through college. If you have a question chances are someone else had that same question. The students started asking questions!!!! Even though I have watched these films so many times, these students asked about things I had never noticed in the films. I cherish when someone asks these types of questions, for when I looked up the information and re-watched that section of the film, I learned something too. A lot of students don't realize how much they inspire teachers to further their research. Sometimes teachers or researchers see their work over and over that they miss the little things that can make a big difference. It is really wonderful to have someone else's perspective if you listen with an open mind. When I was teaching computer in public school, I would have a know-it-all come into my class. The student would say, "I don't really have to pay attention because I already know this." My policy is... If you learn one new thing in class, it may be the one thing you really needed to know. If you choose to ignore the class, that one thing could pass you by. Everyone's input is important. You might ask that one question that might shed the light on a long time problem. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 03:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12850 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78p5l9011147; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78p1kG014193; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB78o5kG014008 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A63C67D019E; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:50:04 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A63D112F013E; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:50:05 -0600 Message-ID: <00e601c29dcd$a8413f20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3DF13717.4050607@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The list, flaming...etc... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:50:13 -0500 Status: RO Hi Linda, Good to see you again. Are you using a walking cane, you h-costume old timer!!! ROTFLMBO!!!!! (I just had to get you back for the hyper remark.) I have never considered myself at an expert at anything but changing diapers and having sons! Thank God I retired from changing diapers! Really I hop, skip, and jump across so many time periods and types of costume, I am nothing but a lover of fashion and gab. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 04:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07169 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:20:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79J6l9012090; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79J2kG019619; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79I6kG019357 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-154.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.154]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANK78852; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:15:54 GMT Message-ID: <01ef01c29dd2$3ab79d00$4d6a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E0_01C29DD2.09A50D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:21:34 -0000 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E0_01C29DD2.09A50D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able = to find much detailed info online... There is a whole SCA subgroup dedicated to this, but I'm not SCA so I'm = unsure where... Here we go try Middle-Eastern Costuming of 13th Century by Rozalynd of Thornaby on Tees http://users.lazerlink.com/~dwarph/v1n1/al-must_v1N1.html#RTFToC11 And a load more links for the Arts & Science pages of the SCA a.. Costume Guidelines (16th century Turkish)=20 b.. Costumes for Various Styles of Oriental Dance=20 c.. Egyptian horseman's outfit, 6th century=20 d.. Costume for A 15th Century Ghwazee Wedding Dance=20 e.. The Folk Dress/Beledi Dress=20 f.. Harem Pants=20 g.. How to Hijab: Your Guide to the Islamic Dress Code=20 h.. Islamic Clothing, Jewelry, and Make-Up=20 i.. Islamic Clothing - Free Patterns=20 j.. The Islamic Dress Code=20 k.. Maghribi Women's Costume=20 l.. Medieval Middle Eastern Garb: Basic Garments Throughout the East = with Pictures and Patterns=20 m.. Middle Eastern Costume Links=20 n.. Middle-Eastern Costuming of 13th Century (or here)=20 o.. Muslim Sexual Modesty=20 p.. Near and Middle Eastern Costume Sites Worth Seeing=20 q.. Near and Middle Eastern Costume Bibliography=20 r.. Notes on Clothing from Social Life Under the Abbasids=20 s.. Notes on Islamic Clothing=20 t.. Oriental Costumes: Their Designs and Colors=20 u.. Palace Attire and Garments: The Costumes of the Sultans=20 v.. Persian Clothing, with some references to other Middle Eastern = styles=20 w.. A Quick Guide to Period Garb for a Turkish Lady=20 x.. Seljuk and Ottoman Periods: Women's Clothing=20 y.. Seljuk Female Costume Patterns and Seljuk Male Costume Patterns=20 z.. 6th and 7th Century Sasanian (Persian) Clothing=20 aa.. 16th Century Persian Women's Clothing=20 ab.. The Tarpus: A Very Brief View of the Turkish Hat with two pictures: = 1 and 2=20 ac.. Turkestani Coat=20 ad.. A Turkish Lady's Ensemble with five images: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5=20 ae..=20 af.. Mel ag.. This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have = received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. 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ESMTP id gB79YnkG023533 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-154.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.154]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANK79369; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:32:48 GMT Message-ID: <01f801c29dd4$9752aa80$4d6a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:39:50 -0000 Status: RO I always think everyone starts off with no knowledge about any subject and therefore it is perfectly acceptable to ask any question. But at the same time I think that on occasion when answering the same or similar question again & again, posters might just rush off an answer without being as gentle as they might, this is probably due to time constraints & that understandably, their interests lie futher along the learning curve, but the people who do answer do at least bother to do so, which I think is to be appriciated. There is also the problem of style of writing & cultural differences in exchanges, this has lead me to be accused of being over harsh in the past, wheras to my mind I am answering as I always have but the reader does not read what I say as what I meant ! OTOH I have totally misunderstood others posts, over the years. Hopefully, I've learnt to appriciate these differances and try to accomodate the differences as much as possible. The great thing about these lists IS the exchange of ideas and if we were all too frightened to disagree we would gain far less. Everyone can only truely interpret a thing from their own experiance, but can learn to see differences in perspective from others, this is what I love about email lists ! THis list is pretty good on the whole. I drop in on a UK based re-enactment board once in a while & I am really ashamed of the way novices are treated "you f***in idiot" and similar phases being far to common, it is quite disgusting really and this is often to school kids asking for help !! Ok later in life "please tell me everything about the middle ages" does seem an unreasonable question, but it isn't to a child who has no where near grasped the time scale, even those of us used to all this time hopping don't really understand everything & definatly about every time ! As you progress you focus (or focii) get narrower, 1265 England, 1874 England or whatever. Anyway that isn't what happens here thank goodness. Anyway I've rambled on, but what I want to say is nobody should be afraid to ask anything, but at the same time everyone should also understand those answering are not the angellic host and may from time to time answer less that perfectly, but in general those that answer are putting in positive input, not the totally negative I've seen elsewhere. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 04:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07223 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:39:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79d3l9013207; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79d1kG024620; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB79b3kG024084 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-154.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.154]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANK79436; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:01 GMT Message-ID: <020d01c29dd4$e6743c00$4d6a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200212062358.gB6Nw0o3012334@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:42:03 -0000 Status: RO I think it helps us to understand the difficulies in talking over a multi cultural list, if I'm not interested I hit the delete button, whether on OT subjects or costume subject I have no interest in. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 05:32:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA07380 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:32:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7AV7l9015010; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7AV4kG003667; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from nemesis.systems.pipex.net (nemesis.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7AUIkG003523 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:30:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by nemesis.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71DF21600810D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:30:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:30:30 -0000 Status: RO Hello Everyone ! Since there seems to be a mood of helpfulness abroad, and not many questions being asked to use it up, I've nerved myself to ask about the subject that's been worrying me lately. I know it's not the sort of historic costume that this group usually finds itself discussing, but someone may know about it. Web searches have produced only fairly thin information so far, and the books I have available are very vague indeed. Please, how do I dress as a fairly wealthy Roman lady of the time of Cicero ? It is for a party with my Latin class on 17th December, so I would like it to be as authentic as I can manage, and - especially - I would like to be able to answer questions about it. So where my clothing isn't very accurate, I would like to be able to explain about it. Here are some specific areas that I am wondering about:- 1. What about underwear ? I want to get the general shape right, and have heard that Roman ladies wore - among other things - corsets, but don't know when, or what sort. (This particularly concerns me because I must wear a bra, due to mastectomy/prosthesis requirements, and I'm fairly plump, too.) 2. How should I decorate the fabric ? I've heard of gold thread in finds: would that be couched embroidery ? I've got some good linen waiting to be used, but could only add simple embroidery in the time available - what patterns would be appropriate ? What about coloured wools ? (If the only answer is woven gold threads, or complicated sewing, then I'd better go down the social scale a bit !) 3. What about hairstyles and jewellery ? I've got long straight hair, and couldn't go in for a great bush of little curls: could I get away with putting it up in a bun like the Greek ladies. I know I won't need a veil, (thank goodness), but should I have some other sort of head-dress ? Were necklaces very common ? I do have some rings, brooches and a bracelet that are copies of finds, would they be enough ? Finally, I would like to thank everyone for the immense pleasure I have had over the years from reading your replies to even the most abstruse of costuming questions, whether historical research or theatrical practicalities, yours sincerely, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 05:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA07433 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:47:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Al4l9015416; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Al1kG007067; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7AkGkG006911 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-154.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.154]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANK81905; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:44:07 GMT Message-ID: <02d801c29dde$8df465a0$4d6a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:51:08 -0000 Status: RO I know very little about Roman clothing I'm afraid, but a friend of mine wrote a book on it :) Here we go Roman clothing and fasion A T Croom, it is a UK publication so you might be able to get in in the library (it is mainly UK civilian clothing) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 06:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07544 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:18:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BI4l9016135; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:18:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BI0kG015241; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7BHfkG015185 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:17:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207111740.31375.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:17:40 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:17:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Cabbage Rose wrote: > > I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over > time. I use fray check in theater, but obviously that did not exist back > then. What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? > Something I'm missing? > > Anyone with any knowledge may certainly pipe up. It's a marvelous book. > Thanks to the original poster for mentioning it was available. Just an observation, since 18th c is not my field as everyone knows by now and thus I don't do any pinking, but since you asked for comments, do you have the book Fashion in Detail from the V&A? There are quite a few pinked silks and they _are_ fraying a bit. I suppose it could be less because of a closer/tighter taffeta weave? Anyway, I tried Gum Arabic on my silk ribbons for the 1660s stuff and I am not happy with it, it dries very stiff. Didn't someone say they used that for 16th c. cuts & slashes? How did they manage to not have everything get awfully stiff? Anyway, have you tried pinking on a really good taffeta like the Imperial Taffeta that Bjarne talked about? I did some snipping on mine, and even after a year I found that when I re-did the hem that had torn and was snipped and had been stepped upon, it actually didn't fray very much to my surprise. Perhaps pinking works a lot like those zig-zag scissors (I don't know the proper English term for them) where only the 'peaks' fray a bit. Not a proper answer, but some observations nevertheless. nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 06:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07588 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:35:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BV6l9016356; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BV1kG017610; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BU4kG017441 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 700D31E1AA9; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:30:00 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021207113000.700D31E1AA9@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:30:00 GMT Status: RO > --- Cabbage Rose cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over > > time. N Kipar wrote : > Perhaps pinking works a lot like those zig-zag scissors (I don't know the > proper English term for them) where only the 'peaks' fray a bit. I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer to "pinking", you're talking about something other than using these things? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 06:42:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07610 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:42:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bg2l9016726; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bg0kG019643; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BfZkG019546 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KdKv-0002gU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:41:33 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c29de6$24aaafc0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:45:29 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I have some very heavy, very pale grey cotton damask which I would very much like to lighten up to white. Can anyone suggest ways of doing so? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 06:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07632 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bn4l9016924; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:49:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bn0kG020979; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7BltkG020807 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KdR3-0000lT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: <005d01c29de7$07270880$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Regency House Party for Channel 4 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:51:50 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, If you have 3 months to spare next summer then you might care to spend them in the lap of period luxury... http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/R/regencyhouse/index2.html best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 06:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07637 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bp3l9017236; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Bp1kG021425; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7Bo2kG021206 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:50:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207115001.1444.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:50:01 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c29de6$24aaafc0$b65722d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > I have some very heavy, very pale grey cotton damask which I would > very much like to lighten up to white. Can anyone suggest ways of > doing so? > best wishes > Stevie UK only tip: Stevie, I tried 'Ecover' for bleaching my 19th c. laces, and boy did that stuff bleach. You can definitely get it in Sainsbury's and it doesn't have any of the nasty stuff in it, no chlorine. Don't use a machine, but try to put it into a BIg pot, keep the heat up nice and as hot as possible (boiling?) and stir in the bleack. That should do the trick, it certainly didn't kill my laces, they are nice and white and on my mantua. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:06:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07673 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7C54l9017421; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7C51kG023877; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7C4dkG023805 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:04:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207120438.58235.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:04:38 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021207113000.700D31E1AA9@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:04:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > Perhaps pinking works a lot like those zig-zag scissors (I don't know the > > proper English term for them) where only the 'peaks' fray a bit. > > I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer to > "pinking", you're talking about something other than using these things? Yes Jane, I though she meant those scallopy edges, the pretty ones, let me see if I have a piccie I can upload... Ha! Silly me, I do have some online on the Rococo bit on the Demon site (hours later trying to remember the URL...): http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo.html The 1760s sack dress shows some pinking. Not the big fat lovely scallopy type, but for the life of me I can't find a pic of that on my comp and don't have time to scan. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07677 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:08:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7C85l9017703; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:08:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7C84kG024517; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7C72kG024269 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KdjZ-0006uE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <006e01c29de9$b326cb00$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021207115001.1444.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:10:57 -0000 Status: RO Nicole said: > UK only tip: > Stevie, I tried 'Ecover' for bleaching my 19th c. laces, and boy did that stuff > bleach. You can definitely get it in Sainsbury's and it doesn't have any of the > nasty stuff in it, no chlorine. Don't use a machine, but try to put it into a > BIg pot, keep the heat up nice and as hot as possible (boiling?) and stir in > the bleack. That should do the trick, it certainly didn't kill my laces, they > are nice and white and on my mantua. Many thanks; I will brave the Islington Sainsbury's and buy some. Do I mix the bleach and water before bringing it to the boil, and then put the washed fabric in it? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07710 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:21:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CKCl9017927; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:20:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CK3kG026776; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7CJUkG026608 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:19:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207121928.2182.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:19:28 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c29de9$b326cb00$b65722d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:19:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble > Many thanks; I will brave the Islington Sainsbury's and buy some. Do I > mix the bleach and water before bringing it to the boil, and then put > the washed fabric in it? Oh gosh, on a Saturday before Christmas *G* Why domn't you order it online? Anyway, yes, I did stir the bleach (hefty mexture: lots of bleach, I though if it doesn't kill it, it'll be fine) into the water and heated it up. The bleach comes in wee little pearls, so you wnat to make sure they are as dissolved as they can be. As an aside, I forgot to mention that I used an old jam cooking pot (one of those huge tinny ones) and the bleach ate into the bottom of the pot! Heating the bleach in that kind of metal seems to eat right through it. I don't think that would happen with a steel pot though. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07718 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:26:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CPKl9018063; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CNXkG027465; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7CMikG027319 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:22:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207122236.40544.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:22:36 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Moorish male costume: found piccies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Okay, I deleted the original mail as usual after skimming through but suddenly remembered that there is a lovely site on Arabic costume out there. I love the site, though I don't know anything about period/plcae nor will ever do anything with it. Here's a page on 13th c. Andalusian costume for example: http://witch.drak.net/lilinah/andalus13c.html This is the index: http://witch.drak.net/lilinah/courtyard.html I don't know if she has what you are looking for for your other half, but she might give you further tips anyway. Nicole - who just has to save pretty much any costume related pic to her hardddrive. :-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07730 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CY4l9018362; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CY1kG029559; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CXTkG029430 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.2f.31304aaa (4206) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:33:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.31304aaa.2b23448d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2f.31304aaa.2b23448d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:33:17 EST Status: RO --part1_2f.31304aaa.2b23448d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:06:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes: > What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? > Something I'm missing? > > When you look closely, you can see that fraying has started. I think it is probably the fact that most of these silks were very crisp, perhaps retaining quite a bit of the original gum. Add to that the likelihood that the dresses in collections, by the very fact that they have survived, may not have had particularly heavy wear. This is just a guess, but I wonder, too, if using the pinking tool, might have caused less stress on the fabric than cutting with shears. Ann Wass --part1_2f.31304aaa.2b23448d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 9:06:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes:


What kept the pinked edges neat?  Better fabrics? A certain weave?
Something I'm missing?



When you look closely, you can see that fraying has started.  I think it is probably the fact that most of these silks were very crisp, perhaps retaining quite a bit of the original gum.  Add to that the likelihood that the dresses in collections, by the very fact that they have survived, may not have had particularly heavy wear.  This is just a guess, but I wonder, too, if using the pinking tool, might have caused less stress on the fabric than cutting with shears.
Ann Wass --part1_2f.31304aaa.2b23448d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 07:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07811 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:57:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Cu5l9018932; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Cu2kG003811; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7CtJkG003658 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:55:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.176]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9442D480013 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:55:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c29df0$51061460$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:58:19 +0100 Status: RO Dear Angela. I will read through my book, danish one, i have about fashion in 18th century. It is my thoaght, that they did not do anything to the fabric, only the pinking tools, cut the fabric on bias most of the time, so that it will not fray. When i make a lot of ruched ribbon works on the dress, i zig zag all the edges very closely and then i turn over the zig zag as a seam and stitch by hand. I do the same thing for the sleave ruffles, you cant have a doubble seam on those, because then they wont fall propperly. Ill look what she writes about it today and post later. I have never done any pinking myself, i have made sleave ruffles cut like a pinking shape, but only cut with a sharp scissor.And then only made a very narrow seam with the zig zag turned round about 3-4 mm. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cabbage Rose" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail > Bjarne, since you popped up, perhaps you would know the answer to this > question. I just got my copy of "Fashion" from KCI and the pictures of > dresses from your period are STUNNING! Most of them have what appears to be > pinked ruching, or gathered self "ribbons" made of the dress fabric all up > and down the fronts of the dresses. The unfinished edges of the fabric that > has been pinked or otherwise cut are still nice and clean. How does that > work? > > I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over > time. I use fray check in theater, but obviously that did not exist back > then. What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? > Something I'm missing? > > Anyone with any knowledge may certainly pipe up. It's a marvelous book. > Thanks to the original poster for mentioning it was available. > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:20 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > > > > Guess what? > > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 08:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07849 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:05:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7D4fl9019163; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:04:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7D41kG005481; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7D3pkG005438 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:03:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.176]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 63D3F4801CA for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:03:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c29df1$83537880$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <200212062147.gB6Llfg7010309@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:06:52 +0100 Status: RO I got it from James Hare Silks. Monarch House - Queen Street - Leeds LS1 1LX Not London, but Leeds. email: sales@jamesharesilks.co.uk www.JamesHareSilks.co.uk It is a fine quality taffeta, and the weave is very even. They also have a lot of other qualitys. Their Imperial Taffeta comes in 71 colours, yes you did read right, 71 colours:-) It was Ian The Staymaker who was so generous to send me his address. I could find taffeta here in Denmark two, but if it should be this quality, i am sure i had to pay almost doubble price. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > where did you get your taffeta? I've been drooling over the sale > taffetas at Thai Silks -- they are only $11.20 US per yard right now. > > > > > > Guess what? > > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 08:29:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07963 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DS1l9019779; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DRfkG010041; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DNOkG009202 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KevT-0005m5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:23:23 +0000 Message-ID: <007b01c29df4$5e08a0c0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <200212062147.gB6Llfg7010309@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <001a01c29df1$83537880$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:27:19 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > I got it from James Hare Silks. > Monarch House - Queen Street - Leeds LS1 1LX > Not London, but Leeds. > email: sales@jamesharesilks.co.uk > www.JamesHareSilks.co.uk > It is a fine quality taffeta, and the weave is very even. Can you tell us how much it cost? best wishes Stevie who acquired 15 meters of James Hare's handloomed dupioni in silver grey at the Liberty sale in the summer... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 08:35:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07999 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:35:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DYTl9019919; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DXbkG011104; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7DTZkG010367 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-58-250-237.s491.tnt1.nwhv.ct.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.250.237] helo=rcn.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18Kf1B-0002EH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF1F7AF.641CFE44@rcn.com> From: Catelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN010799 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021207091901.19610.51044.Mailman@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] My Costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:19 -0500 Status: RO I'm a generalist in terms of fashion history. I started studying fashion, clothing, and their histories at 13, when I wanted to make my third doll be a fairy tale princess. I favor certain periods in my studies based on what's available, what event is coming up next, and random interest. I am in the SCA. I am going to my 15th anniversery event today; I started in the SCA at this event in 1987. I should be sewing or at least cutting out rather than writing here. Primarily, I am a merchant at Pennsic, who makes her own wares, which takes the vast majority of the rest of the year. I am switching my wardrobe over to linens and wools mostly in early 14th century cut as I can afford the materials & time. I also wish to make a Gothic fitted gown, of the early 15th century. Got the materials: linen for lining and wool for the main showing fabric, and even a fitting buddy. I dance 'vintage dance', so I need (more more) clothing in the 1840-1910's range. Penny, could you perhaps recommend a source for the Castle's "Whirl of Life"? My body is perfect for 1830's, with the fashion-figure sloping shoulders, small bosom, ribcage, and waist, sway back, and swelling hips. Ok, techincally, the skirts didn't show the size/shape of the hips, but I get an accurate look with the minimal requirements for petticoats, et al, rather than needing to pad up with period remedies for no butt. :-) Therefore, I should procure some English muslin, and make up something in the way of gigot sleeves with stacked knife pleats (I've seen three pleats stacked) with the same pleating style in the skirts and folds laid across the body. low priority. I have nowhere to wear such a style. There is actually a (re)created small town which is specifically examining rural New England life in the 1830's within an hour's drive. Old Sturbridge Village It's a museum of relocated houses, church, mill, tavern. The setting is rural, conservative, and later in the 1830's than the whole gigot sleeve style anyway. The Lowell (Massachusetts) mill girls started in the 1830's, too. Maybe someday. I adore the 1930's fashion, but am absolutely the wrong shape to make them for myself. Good thing I make dolls. The book on Madeleine Vionnet (My favorite designer), which book I just ordered from the Met, should arrive soon, and then I'll be trying out some of her techinques on a small scale. I've ordered this book four times from various vendors now, and the first three came back with an 'oops, we can't find this book.' While waiting for the ooops message the last time, I held a copy of the book in my hands, at the Met, at their exhibit: "Blithe Spirit: The Windsor Set A remarkable cache of gowns by Vionnet, Lanvin, Schiaparelli, Chanel, and other designers dating primarily from the 1930s. The Costume Institute, ground floor November 1, 2002-February 9, 2003 For more information about this event and other events and programs at the Metropolitan Museum, visit our Web site at http://www.metmuseum.org/calendar/index.asp?CurrentDate=11/1/2002 " Still, though, my priority is the dolls. I'll work on my wish list of clothes for myself, just as soon as I finish this brief list of planned and wished dolls (unrolls down & across the floor, and down the stairs & . . . .) Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 09:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08107 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:06:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7E5Nl9020848; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:05:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7E59kG016925; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7E4WkG016786 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AA5BA54E014C; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c29df7$54d4a460$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> <00b301c29dc4$8f541b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C29DCD.6B246900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:48:31 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C29DCD.6B246900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Penny, Thankyou for the thoughtful comments about fashion designers; you = experiences seem to flow along with mine. I have been interested in the = designs of the twenties since I was a child and have followed the = various revivals with great...and sometimes amused interest. I = discovered ERTE about 20 years ago and find his flights of fancy to be = great fun,especially when he interprets other periods of costume history = for the theatre. But I especially like the Greek and Roman 'quotes' one = discovers in his sports clothes. = May I ask if there is any particular = designer or resource you are having trouble with re your 1920-1923 = project? I will have time in Jan to go through periodicals and such in = my library for those years and can pass on relevant material to you. = Neat project, I think! Kathleen =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Penny Ladnier=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers Kathleen, One of my big areas of weakness is in fashion designers. My 20th = costume history was in 1976. We followed the popular designers of the = day, but not the past ones. We studied silhouettes and name of articles = of a costume. Being on two email lists, vintage and sewretro, sparked = my interest about past designers. They kept talking about this = designers and that I had no idea who they were talking about. I was = thrilled to get the Hudson and Thames, Dictionary of Fashion Designers = and Fashion and could look the designer up when someone mentioned them. = This book has become my fashion bible. It doesn't cover every designer, = but does carry the most popular ones.=20 =20 I have always been partial to Dior as one of my favorites. But right = now I am doing some heavy research into the designer from 1920-1925. I = have tons of illustrations from about 30 Parisian designers during this = time. I am working on writing bios for them. I am really having a = tough time finding bio information about some of the designers. I am = compiling all of this information to make an e-book. The way I will be = presenting each designer is to have a bio page and then have thumbnails = in sequence of time of their designs from 1920-1923. So the reader will = see how their designs evolved. It is a small time frame, but a lot = happened in the evolution of dress during these four years. What I am really fascinated while compiling this information is the = later designers who started out with the 1920s designers. I am also = interested in how the '20s designers got their start in the fashion = business. Its almost like making a family tree of designers. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com=20 http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C29DCD.6B246900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Penny, Thankyou for the thoughtful comments about = fashion=20 designers; you experiences seem to flow along with mine. I have been = interested=20 in the designs of the twenties since I was a child and have followed the = various=20 revivals with great...and sometimes amused interest. I discovered ERTE = about 20=20 years ago and find his flights of fancy to be great fun,especially when = he=20 interprets other periods of costume history for the theatre. But I = especially=20 like the Greek and Roman 'quotes' one discovers in his sports=20 clothes.           =20             =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             May I ask if = there is=20 any particular designer or resource you are having trouble with re your=20 1920-1923 project?  I will have time in Jan to go through = periodicals and=20 such in my library for those years and can pass on relevant material to=20 you.  Neat project, I think!    = Kathleen   =20             =    =20            
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Penny=20 Ladnier
Sent: Saturday, December 07, = 2002 2:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite=20 Designers

Kathleen,
 
One of my big areas of weakness is in fashion = designers. =20 My 20th costume history was in 1976.  We followed the = popular=20 designers of the day, but not the past ones.  We studied = silhouettes and=20 name of articles of a costume.  Being on two email lists, vintage = and=20 sewretro, sparked my interest about past designers.  They = kept=20 talking about this designers and that I had no idea who they were = talking=20 about.  I was thrilled to get the Hudson and Thames, Dictionary = of=20 Fashion Designers and Fashion and could look the designer up when = someone=20 mentioned them.  This book has become my fashion bible.  It = doesn't=20 cover every designer, but does carry the most popular = ones. 
    
I have always been partial to Dior as one of my favorites.  = But=20 right now I am doing some heavy research into the designer from=20 1920-1925.  I have tons of illustrations from about 30 = Parisian=20 designers during this time.  I am working on writing bios = for=20 them.  I am really having a tough time finding bio information = about some=20 of the designers.  I am compiling all of this information to make = an=20 e-book.  The way I will be presenting each designer is to have a = bio page=20 and then have thumbnails in sequence of time of their designs from=20 1920-1923.  So the reader will see how their designs = evolved.  It is=20 a small time frame, but a lot happened in the evolution of dress = during these=20 four years.
 
What I am really fascinated while compiling this = information is=20 the later designers who started out with the 1920s = designers.  I am=20 also interested in how the '20s designers got their start in the = fashion=20 business.  Its almost like making a family tree of = designers.
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C29DCD.6B246900-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 09:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08204 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EYOl9021564; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:34:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EYMkG022430; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:34:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EWNkG022019 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:32:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.37.316f9ff0 (3964) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:31:32 -0500 (EST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <37.316f9ff0.2b236043@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_37.316f9ff0.2b236043_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] pinking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:31:31 EST Status: RO --part1_37.316f9ff0.2b236043_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Costume Close Up," among other books, mentions the use of pinking tools used for 18th century pinking. These were kind of like chisels with a sharp scalloped design at one end, that were struck with a mallet to cut the scallop into the fabric. Aparently the tightness of the weave combined with the pressure of striking the cut prevented it from unravelling too much. I must admit that I've tried this using a repro 18th C pinking tool and either the tool wasn't well made/sharp enough or by fabric wasnt quite right for it but I was not happy with the results. Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com --part1_37.316f9ff0.2b236043_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
"Costume Close Up," among other books, mentions the use of pinking tools used for 18th century pinking.  These were kind of like chisels with a sharp scalloped design at one end, that were struck with a mallet to cut the scallop into the fabric.  Aparently the tightness of the weave combined with the pressure of striking the cut  prevented it from unravelling too much. 

I must admit that I've tried this using a repro 18th C pinking tool and either the tool wasn't well made/sharp enough or by fabric wasnt quite right for it but I was not happy with the results.

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com --part1_37.316f9ff0.2b236043_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08352 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FG2l9022849; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FG0kG000625; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FBOkG029444 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:11:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m246.in-tch.com [216.166.191.246]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB7EtKD29747 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:55:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF20FAE.3BEB72CD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: <3DF0BDEE.BE661081@inetone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:11:42 -0700 Status: RO Hi.... I'm pretty much self-taught, which I guess means I get to make LOADS of weird mistakes. I learned how to do differently-shaped sleeves (such as the ones you describe) by playing with scrap fabric and following the diagrams in a very interesting article in an SCA publication (one of the _Creative Anachronists_ on costuming had it, as a reprint from an earlier publication, _Seams Like Old Times_). The idea is to take your basic sleeve-pattern (drawn on the scrap fabric--I used old tent canvas left over from my job at the time), and then you cut into the pattern where you want the shape changed, and spread it until it forms the desired shape. Kinda like you're doing the reverse of putting in darts. --sue Dhannti wrote: > > I know I have asked a lot of questions before so add this to my > curiosity. Is there a list of recommanded reading for different periods > of clothing styles and construction? I presently own a number of books > but I feel like I am missing something. In creating a gown from a > pattern, whether its one of the big three or much to my delight Margo > Anderson's pattern, I seem to be lacking a common knowledge about the > construction. Hard to explain this feeling of failing to achieve a > certain look due to my skimpy sewing skills. I see wonderful paned > sleeves on gowns that have a fullness that I can't recreate. I have > searched my books and on line but no help. I would like to have that > fullness on the upper half of the sleeves while the lower half is > narrow. How did they do that? I guess I am looking for tricks of the > trade. If there is a book or some place to find this info could someone > point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08357 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:17:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FGIl9022883; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FGHkG000718; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7F1JkG027672 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id HAA00862 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212071523.HAA00862@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Stevie Gamble" > Hi all, > I have some very heavy, very pale grey cotton damask which I would > very much like to lighten up to white. Can anyone suggest ways of > doing so? Dye remover. Thiourea oxide. It's less damaging to the fabric than bleach. It says not to use it with aluminum pots, but I've done it anyway (it was the only pot I had that was large enough for the silk dress). Since you're starting with a pale color, you shouldn't have to worry about dumping the dye bath partway through to keep the dye from re-depositing. http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1535-AA.shtml Another very cool technique is discharge paste. You can paint, stamp or stencil it on to selectively remove color from a fabric. http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1574-AA.shtml [not associated with Dharma Trading Co. I just happen to live in the same area, so I order from them when I'm in a hurry.] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08375 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:20:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FK1l9023058; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FK0kG001775; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7FJwkG001713 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:19:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207151957.4196.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:19:57 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Reproduction pinker photo, was Re: [h-cost] pinking To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <37.316f9ff0.2b236043@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Marionetta@aol.com wrote: > > "Costume Close Up," among other books, mentions the use of pinking tools used > > for 18th century pinking. These were kind of like chisels with a sharp > scalloped design at one end, that were struck with a mallet to cut the > scallop into the fabric. Aparently the tightness of the weave combined with > the pressure of striking the cut prevented it from unravelling too much. I knew I had the photo somewhere on my comp, and while I don't remember where it came from and can't give credit to who made the tools nor who took the photo, here's a pic of pinking tools: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/Pinker.jpg Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08414 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FTtlf023411; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EBVkG017874; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:12:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40902.mail.yahoo.com (web40902.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7E5BkG016908 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207135823.8728.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.197.48.98] by web40902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 05:58:23 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021207054300.1253.73978.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:58:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lest anyone think _I_ think the hierarchy is sinister, I definitely don't! :^) I do think though, Heather, that you've hit the point for me -- I didn't realize when I first started posting here that assertions went hand in hand with documentatary proof. I was used to SCA-related lists, which often don't hold its members to such standards, as the organization umbrellas all levels of costuming/clothesmaking. There are questions that come up here from time to time that I'm sure I can add to, but choose not to because I don't have the time or access to double-check my sources. I am a grazer of knowledge most of the time, and have trouble remembering details of sources off the top of my head if it's a topic I'm not currently buried in. Unless I'm at home next to my books with time on my hands, I usually let such opportunities go, because I know it's a 'put up or shut up' scenario. For the record, though, I can appreciate the rigor of such an approach, and I'd rather be held to that standard than the opposite. Though it was jarring at first (because I didn't expect it), I've since settled down and accepted it. This discussion has been fruitful. Tasha _______________________________________________ At 10:40 AM -0800 12/6/02, Tasha McGann wrote: >In general, though, I don't provide information here >anymore unless I'm 100% air-tight sure about it, >because it WILL be challenged. That may be because >there's an unspoken hierarchy on this list -- some >folks aren't proven, and thus are challenged. Others >are known, and are sacrosanct (sometimes). Just a >thought. (Please don't shoot me.) I think there's plenty of room for posting things that one isn't 100% air-tight sure about -- I think it's just a matter of distinguishing the different types of information clearly. People might get riled up if one posted, "Peasants in Lower Slobovia wore socks on their heads" whereas a posting along the lines of , "I've seen some illustrations of peasants in Lower Slobovia with something on their heads that looks remarkably similar to a sock" might provoke an enthusiastic thread about hat construction and Slobovian footwear styles. My experience -- on this as well as other lists -- is that you aren't entirely off-base on the "unspoken hierarchy" observation, but I don't see it as a sinister plot. :) If person X has a history of providing verifiable support and well-reasoned arguments for their statements and conclusions, then they're likely to be cut more slack if they pop off a random comment without supplying the full support and arguments (although a person of this sort is also generally happy to supply them when time allows if asked), and similarly, person X is likely to be given a bit more credence if they come up with an unusual theory or explanation if they have a past history of demonstrating well-constructed and solidly-based theories. If said person X trades on this tendency too heavily, they're likely to lose that status, so it's a fairly self-regulating system. If they stop putting out, they stop being cut the slack. (I tend to be aware of this dynamic because there are a number of subjects, on various lists, where I get cut far more slack than _I_ think I ought to be, and I try to be very careful about _not_ getting lazy about supplying the backup information and reasoning.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08416 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FTtlj023411; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EsDkG026319; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EpVkG025700 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m246.in-tch.com [216.166.191.246]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB7EZHD23792 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:35:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF20AF7.8CE407E9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. References: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:51:35 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Maral. I remember your question from the first time you posted, but didn't have anything that could help you, since I'm pretty ignorant of Moorish cultures. It occurs to me, though, that I've seen some stuff on Andalusian Spain, which had a good mix of Christian and Muslim cultural influences. I could dig that up, if you like? --Sue "not a lurker" Clemenger....;-) Herself-the-Elf wrote: > > I tried posting this earlier, but I'm not sure it got to the list. Here > goes... > > Well now that I've pretty much solved my wedding dress problem, I'm > wondering about > my guy. I don't think he's likely to want to wear a houppelande or some > such, and definitely not the silly shoes. So I'm trying to think of > something different that would still be period (late 14th to early 15th c). > He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume of some > sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any > middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able to > find much detailed info online... > > -- Maral > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08422 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FTtlh023411; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7F9dkG029122; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7F7QkG028735 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:07:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207150027.79319.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:00:27 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:00:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Janet Davis wrote: > > This list, with this many members, generates more mail than any other list I > am on. If there were more members, I'd be so busy reading, I'd never get > anything done. On the other hand, it would be nice to hear from some other > voices besides those who post all the time. I fully agree with the above sentiment, but please don't forget that it is a two-way-street. It is not the fault of the always-posters that they are the ones posting all the time. Neither is it that of the no-posters, it just is a doubled edged sword. It's lovely to hear from others now, it is most enjoyable. Emotion/sensitivity-alert: Anyway, there is one thing I have to say because it REALLY upsets me and I can't stop thinking about it/being upset and I just have to get it off my chest. While I deleted the mail that said it, as I do with most other than those I archive and self-forward, I was really very upset by the mail statin g things about 'someone who shall not be named' and then continuing in the line of being quite rude/nasty (don't hang, draw and quarter me if I don't find the right word in English) about not liking one particular person. Please please please do not do such a thing on a list, it is MOST upsetting to some, at least to me. I can't stop thinking about that and its principle, because I think it is so mean of describing someone without saying the name and saying nasty things about that person. Really, please don't do that. Mail the person and discuss your problems with that person if the person is so inclined as to answer, but please don't do what you did, and even if I am the only person upset by that, I still plead a 'please don't do that'. Okay, alert over and I shall not mention it ever again. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08426 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FTtll023411; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7EQFkG020784; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7EP5kG020495 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25439 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 14:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.143) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 14:23:07 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] how many of us are there? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29DD2.40B1EAD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <3DF0EA3F.5B33648C@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:23:07 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C29DD2.40B1EAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >But as long as h-costume is an active list and people _are_ actively posting messages--does it matter if some people gravitate to other, more specialized lists? This list, with this many members, generates more mail than any other list I am on. If there were more members, I'd be so busy reading, I'd never get anything done. On the other hand, it would be nice to hear from some other voices besides those who post all the time. 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Thiourea oxide. It's less damaging to the fabric than > bleach. It says not to use it with aluminum pots, but I've done it > anyway (it was the only pot I had that was large enough for the silk > dress). Since you're starting with a pale color, you shouldn't have > to worry about dumping the dye bath partway through to keep the dye > from re-depositing. > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1535-AA.shtml Oh wow, Lee, that looks JUST like what I would need for a lace of mine, thanks for sharing this. I just fear that shipping from the US might be a tad expensive. :-( Still, I think I'll order some in the new year. What kind of fibres have you bleached/undyed with that stuff apart from silk? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08471 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fg1l9023769; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fg0kG007669; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FfBkG007470 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA00985 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212071603.IAA00985@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Linda Walton" [...] > Please, how do I dress as a fairly wealthy Roman lady of the time of Cicero > ? > > It is for a party with my Latin class on 17th December, so I would like it > to be as authentic as I can manage, and - especially - I would like to be > able to answer questions about it. So where my clothing isn't very > accurate, I would like to be able to explain about it. I can't find the set of links I _really_ want, but this might be a start: http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/jlsgloss.html It's a glossary of roman clothing terms http://www.realm-of-shade.com/RomanaeAntiquae/adornments.html What the Roman Lady Wears http://www.uky.edu/AS/Classics/slides/selectshow.html Slide show of reproductions http://www.villaivlilla.com/vestis.htm examples from art http://www.unc.edu/courses/rometech/public/content/survival/clothing.html Ancient Roman Clothing http://www.geocities.com/sallypointer/makeover/ The Roman Makeover (a very cool page) Finally found it! http://www.dl.ket.org/latin1/things/romanlife/ Has instructions for making stola, dress, tunica, and tunic. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08486 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fi2l9023840; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fi0kG008139; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FhpkG008102 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA00998 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212071605.IAA00998@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO [re: thiourea oxide] >What kind of fibres have you bleached/undyed with that stuff apart from silk? Cotton and silks. I'm fairly sure that Dylon also markets this type of color remover. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 10:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08491 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fj1l9023880; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Fj1kG008402; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FiqkG008347 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Kh8O-00045B-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:44:52 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. Message-ID: <000001c29e07$9c384bd0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021206102107.L71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:45:03 -0700 Status: RO Maybe the rest of us are better at it than I at predicting how a pattern will look executed in a particular fabric with a particular lining, interlining etc, but when I want a particular look, or am attempting something new, I do a mockup in similar materials. It takes some fiddling-but that chanllenge is what makes the process fun and interesting. Also when drafting or draping a pattern I sometimes have to do it 4-6 times to get the look I want (for instance the dang goller I am currently working on.) Once in a while I get lucky and only have to do it once or twice. Also, in addition to pattern drafting or draping classes, take a tailoring class. If you look at extant garments (in pictures, I have never had the opportunity to handle anything older than the 19th century) you can see all the fabric manipulation techniques like pad stitching etc. These can greatly affect the way the garment lies or holds it shape. The Vogue Sewing book has great explanations on these techniques. You can find used copies of it all over the place. Making the garments of the past is different than those of the present, but many of the techniques are applicable. Nobody will be able to take a commercial pattern without fitting and altering and have it look great. These are all learnable techniques. I bet if you look around your area you will find someone who knows more than you and is willing to share their knowledge. Someday 'return' that favor by passing on your knowledge. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08571 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7G03l9024470; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7G01kG012501; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FxAkG012291 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KhMA-00029e-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:59:06 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <000001c29e09$99aa8a20$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29DCE.ED4BB220" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021206095533.X71541-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:59:15 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29DCE.ED4BB220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.saragrace.net/2A_Cost_by_sg.htm It probably isn't really easy to see, but the pleats on this dress are organ pipe pleats without the taping done on the inside. Each pleat is sewn on by hand. I think Julie Adam's handout is the only one I've seen on the subject. Even then, it is very helpful to have someone show you how to do it. Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Drea Leed >Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:16 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question > >I'm curious--the pleats in the back of Holbein's lady and the breughel >painting are obviously very deep and pronounced, but I myself have been >unable to determine the specific pleating method used. I've managed to >create similar wide, very rounded pleats by stuffing and then >box-pleating. Though I have had to hand-sew the finished skirt top to >the finished bodice bottom like one does with cartridge pleats, as the >stuffed pleats were way too thick to sew through. Are you defining >cartridge-pleats as pleats that are sewn with multiple threads and then >gathered up, or as any pleats that aren't "folded under", like knife or >box pleats? > >Looking at Holbein's woman (pic at >http://costume.dm.net/gallery/images/bwlady-big.gif), I would recreate >that look with a skirt lined with a layer of batting. Ditto for breughel >(one pic at >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/images/dance.jpg) > > >Smaller cartridge pleats show up in Italian dresses of the time (example >at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml). > >I'd love to see that english dress. I think I may have--is she wearing a >Queen-mary-type flattened hood, and is the dress a really stylized >long-fronted red velvet deal? Are the pleats smaller? > >Thanks, > >Drea > > > >> Cartridge pleats were used, as were knife pleats. They seem to have >> been used together at times. I don't have a URL but in the Holbein >> drawing of a lady (where he's done a front *and* a back view), there >> are obvious large cartridge pleats in the back. Some of the Breugel >> paintings also show this. There's another picture of a English court >> lady in a red dress with navy blue brocade undersleeves which shows >> the cartridge pleats at the side. However, it appears that she has >> some flat pleats to transition the front part to the back cartridge >> pleats (like 2 on each side). Unfortunately, the book which has the >> best picture of this is hiding/lost right now. >> >> Kat Russell >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29DCE.ED4BB220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.saragrace.= net/2A_Cost_by_sg.htm

 

It probably isn’t really easy to see, but the pleats on this dress = are organ pipe pleats without the taping done on the inside.  Each pleat is sewn on by = hand.  I think Julie Adam’s = handout is the only one I’ve seen on the subject.  Even then, it is very helpful = to have someone show you how to do it.

 

Sg

 

 

>-----Original Message-----

>From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] = On

>Behalf Of Drea Leed

>Sent: Friday, = December 06, 2002 8:16 = AM

>To: h-costume@indra.com

>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question

>

>I'm curious--the pleats in the back of Holbein's lady and the = breughel

>painting are obviously very deep and pronounced, but I myself have = been

>unable to determine the specific pleating method used.  I've managed = to

>create similar wide, very rounded pleats by stuffing and then

>box-pleating.  Though I have had to hand-sew = the finished skirt top to

>the finished bodice bottom like one does with cartridge pleats, as = the

>stuffed pleats were way too thick to sew through. Are you = defining

>cartridge-pleats as pleats that are sewn with multiple threads and then

>gathered up, or as any pleats that aren't "folded under", like knife = or

>box pleats?

>

>Looking at Holbein's woman (pic at

>http://costume.dm.net/gallery/images/bwlad= y-big.gif), I would recreate

>that look with a skirt lined with a layer of batting.  Ditto for = breughel

>(one pic at

>http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/res= earch/images/dance.jpg)

>

>

>Smaller cartridge pleats show up in Italian dresses of the time = (example

>at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml).

>

>I'd love to see that english dress.  = I think I may have--is she wearing a

>Queen-mary-type flattened hood, and is the dress a really stylized

>long-fronted red velvet deal? Are the pleats smaller?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Drea

>

> >

>> Cartridge pleats were used, as were knife pleats. They seem to = have

>> been used together at times. I don't have a URL but in the = Holbein

>> drawing of a lady (where he's done a front *and* a back view),  there

>> are obvious large cartridge pleats in the back. Some of the = Breugel

>> paintings also show this. There's another picture of a English = court

>> lady in a red dress with navy blue brocade undersleeves which = shows

>> the cartridge pleats at the side. However, it appears that she = has

>> some flat pleats to transition the front part to the back = cartridge

>> pleats (like 2 on each side). Unfortunately, the book which has = the

>> best picture of this is hiding/lost right now.

>>

>> Kat Russell

>> <kat@grendal.rain.com>

>>

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C29DCE.ED4BB220-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08596 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7G72l9024785; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7G70kG014272; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7G64kG014076 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:06:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:06:04 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200212071605.IAA00998@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > [re: thiourea oxide] > >What kind of fibres have you bleached/undyed with that stuff apart from > silk? > > Cotton and silks. > I'm fairly sure that Dylon also markets this type of color remover. Nope, I tried it and didn't work. Ecover bleach was actually better than the Dylon stuff. Perhaps the Dharma trading one would work on the cotton lace that I have. Thanks again Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08637 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GG4l9025460; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GG2kG016561; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GFTkG016384 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Khc0-0000hT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:15:28 +0000 Message-ID: <00a301c29e0c$67b1d8e0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:19:23 -0000 Status: RO Lee wrote, in a post I haven't seen yet so I'm piggybacking with Nicole, > Dye remover. Thiourea oxide. It's less damaging to the fabric than > bleach. It says not to use it with aluminum pots, but I've done it > anyway (it was the only pot I had that was large enough for the silk > dress). Since you're starting with a pale color, you shouldn't have > to worry about dumping the dye bath partway through to keep the dye > from re-depositing. > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1535-AA.shtml Thanks, but sadly, Dharma doesn't ship to the UK nowadays. There are all sorts of useful things which they sell which I would love to get my hands on:-( I did try a google on the chemical name, with no luck, so I seem to be stuck with ecover bleach. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08690 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GP2l9025709; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GP1kG018687; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GOdkG018573 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:24:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Khks-0007AG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:24:38 +0000 Message-ID: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Coifs and me Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:28:33 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or indeed others? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08718 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:28:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GS1l9025825; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GS0kG019455; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7GRUkG019332 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:27:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207162729.12454.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:27:29 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a301c29e0c$67b1d8e0$b65722d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > Lee wrote, in a post I haven't seen yet so I'm piggybacking with > Nicole, > Thanks, but sadly, Dharma doesn't ship to the UK nowadays. There are > all sorts of useful things which they sell which I would love to get > my hands on:-( ACK!!!! So much for my idea of ordering something then. How anti-global is that, not to send anywhere in the world in this day and age of the internet. *sniff* I might be able to ask my reenactor/costume friend in the US to send some over. If I do that, would you like some too, Stevie? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08725 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GT3l9025875; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GT2kG019713; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7GSdkG019589 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Ovr5DsDBbzYZjR+DBuWKss8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKFK9TMH; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:28:07 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20021207.082935.-211469.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:28:41 +0000 Status: RO Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery hoops ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another alternative? Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand owing to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. Thank you for your help. Arlys in Oregon ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08760 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GZ3l9026189; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GZ1kG021120; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GYJkG020973 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:34:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAEB262BE1 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:34:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c29e0e$ece1ffc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <200212062147.gB6Llfg7010309@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <001a01c29df1$83537880$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <007b01c29df4$5e08a0c0$b65722d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:37:25 +0100 Status: RO Hello Imperial Silk Taffeta is 140 cm wide, it comes in 71 colours and costs 28.80 pounds a meter. If i should buy this quality here in Copenhagen, it would cost me about 400 kr. a meter, so i have saved some money, even it costs to have it sent. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > Bjarne wrote: > > > I got it from James Hare Silks. > > Monarch House - Queen Street - Leeds LS1 1LX > > Not London, but Leeds. > > email: sales@jamesharesilks.co.uk > > www.JamesHareSilks.co.uk > > It is a fine quality taffeta, and the weave is very even. > > Can you tell us how much it cost? > > best wishes > Stevie > who acquired 15 meters of James Hare's handloomed dupioni in silver > grey at the Liberty sale in the summer... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08764 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GZGl9026214; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GZFkG021180; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail8.kc.rr.com (mail8.kc.rr.com [24.94.162.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GYSkG021012 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:34:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis ([65.26.140.179]) by mail8.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:32:55 -0600 From: "Talia" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coifs and me Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:38:30 -0600 Status: RO Square necklines for me... T -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:29 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Coifs and me Hi all, I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or indeed others? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08838 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:47:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gj3l9026952; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gj1kG023711; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GiJkG023491 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:44:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6R00GE3D1U47@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF224BF.9080808@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fox Tails Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:41:35 -0600 Status: RO hmmmm, wonder if this is wear the swaying "Foxy Lady" came from :D -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08915 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:55:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gt2l9027562; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gt1kG026453; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7GsekG026330 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:54:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25881 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:03:25 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Fox Tails In-Reply-To: <3DF224BF.9080808@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:03:25 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Darn, I deleted the original post. (Been under heavy deadlines, not much time for responding.) Thanks, Linda, for reminding me that this was mentioned, as I wanted to follow up. Working from memory... I've always wondered about this reference. As posted (and I've seen quoted in various references), the original statement seems to be referring to a desire to *hide* the shape of the rear under a tight gown. That makes me wonder if some women wore a single tail vertically to cover the, um, obvious indentation, or even if this is just a reference to fur linings. But a lot of secondary sources seem to point to this quote as evidence of a desire to *pad* the bottom, which would imply emphasizing its shape as a "bumroll" or a farthingale would do. I wouldn't associate "hiding" as being an early attempt to do what a farthingale does. I'm hesitant to draw a direct connection between what's described in the quote to the padding of 200 years later, when the desired silhouette is very different. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 11:59:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08936 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gm2l9027136; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gm1kG024443; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gl3kG024217 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Ki6Y-00012H-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <00be01c29e10$d0815f40$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021207162729.12454.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Good dye suppliers was Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:50:57 -0000 Status: RO Nicole wrote > > Thanks, but sadly, Dharma doesn't ship to the UK nowadays. There are > > all sorts of useful things which they sell which I would love to get > > my hands on:-( > > ACK!!!! So much for my idea of ordering something then. How anti-global is > that, not to send anywhere in the world in this day and age of the internet. > *sniff* I think that they did it for a while but it was so much hassle that they packed it in. > > I might be able to ask my reenactor/costume friend in the US to send some over. > If I do that, would you like some too, Stevie? Yes, very much so. On general dying matters I have been very happy with stuff I get from http://www.kemtex.co.uk/ so I could try ringing them on Monday in case they carry it. Incidently, if anyone wants to dye a lot of fabric in one particular colour the guy will do a special mix of dyes for you. I wanted an eye popping red, and got it:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08974 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:00:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gu1l9027627; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Gu1ud026719; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7Gt9ud026485 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:55:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:55:08 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coifs and me To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:55:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Talia wrote: > Square necklines for me... > > T Peplos gowns: 'string' in the waist but excess fabric from top bloused over that = everything as wide as the widest part, the hips, and 'boat' neckline. *shudder* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:28:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09116 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:28:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HR7l9029105; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:27:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HR1ud005309; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HQRud005134 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:26:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 79E345EE92D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:26:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] stays for a large person Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:29:37 +0100 Status: RO Hello I have updated my dress diary. Go to address below, click on robe a la francaise, and scroll down to the buttom where there is a link: underpinnings. It is only a mock up of the stays, wich are to be send to Denver on monday. Now, back to embroidery :-) Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09124 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HT1l9029219; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HT0ud005889; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HS8ud005621 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-83-124.client.attbi.com[12.246.83.124]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002120717280305100je8aee>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:28:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3DF22F83.6030006@fenris.net> From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me References: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:27:31 -0800 Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote: >Hi all, > >I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. >Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, >so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. >Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire >ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them > Dresses with pleated skirts and a waistline-at-the-waist. I look like a super-sized pincushion! I made most of a 1560 Flemish workingclass costume al la Drea Leed. Looked in the mirror and cried! Gave the completed parts to a friend. Hope she uses them someday. I didn't learn from that mistake and later made a sundress kind of thing w/ pleated waist. Ick Ick Ick. Maybe I've learned now. Need to have a dropped waist, or a pointed waist or no waist at all. liz lizyoung@fenris.net > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09159 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HX1l9029367; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HX0ud006946; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7HWvud006932 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12095 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:32:56 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:32:56 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-147.sonic.net [209.148.112.147]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB7HWtB30826 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:32:55 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF23127.F9E29BB5@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021207150027.79319.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:34:32 -0800 Status: RO > While I deleted the mail that said it, as I do with most other than > those I archive and self-forward, I was really very upset by the mail statin g > things about 'someone who shall not be named' and then continuing in the line > of being quite rude/nasty (don't hang, draw and quarter me if I don't find the > right word in English) about not liking one particular person. Please please > please do not do such a thing on a list, it is MOST upsetting to some, at least > to me. I can't stop thinking about that and its principle, because I think it > is so mean of describing someone without saying the name and saying nasty > things about that person. I weed out a lot of email without reading it and must have missed that one. I suspect the poster wanted the identity of the person to be guessed by the whole list (maybe it's someone they argue with a lot?) but they didn't quite have the guts to post the name. They should not have been using the list to sling insults either way. You are quite right to be upset about it. I would suggest that next time you see a post like this, you email the moderator (I think her address is still eliz@indra.com) and ask her to put a stop to using the list to trade insults. It would be better not to do it at all; but if someone insists on doing it they should do it privately and only involve the person they are annoyed at. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09202 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HkNl9029970; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:46:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HkMud010515; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7HjHud010204 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5067 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-147.sonic.net [209.148.112.147]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB7HjGg26128 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:45:16 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF2340C.98412AF5@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <20021207135823.8728.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:46:52 -0800 Status: RO > > > There are questions that come up here from time to > time that I'm sure I can add to, but choose not to > because I don't have the time or access to > double-check my sources. I am a grazer of knowledge > most of the time, and have trouble remembering details > of sources off the top of my head if it's a topic I'm > not currently buried in. Unless I'm at home next to my > books with time on my hands, I usually let such > opportunities go, because I know it's a 'put up or > shut up' scenario. I think people should realize there is a difference between an email list and an academic paper. I personally will go the full reference route for materials I write for publication. But for a mailing list--generally not. It is as you say time consuming, and I have paying work to do. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:54:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09232 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hr1l9000337; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hr0ud012284; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7HqPud012131 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m96.in-tch.com [216.166.191.96]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB7HaND23074 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:36:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:52:43 -0700 Status: RO Hello the list, from cold, foggy Montana! I agree...with Fran's comment, and with the person whom she's quoting. However, I don't think that those who are more into authenticity should have to apologize, either. I really get tired of being referred to as a "cosack" or "nazi" or any other disparaging term that somehow seems designed to make me feel like I'm some sort of stereotypical fun-stealer. I can't speak to the experiences of those folk who are in groups or RenFaires other than the SCA (my own mileu), so there very well may be groups with stricter standards. Or looser. Of course, I also think that if you don't like the standards of the group, go form your own.... But then, that variability of opinion is one of my favorite things about this particular list--there's such an amazing variety of interests, not just in the historical sense, but it how we define and use "costume." I'm primarily a medieval re-creationist/textile geek, so I really enjoy hearing from people who are more into RenFaires, or the theatre and movie folks, or times and cultures that I haven't thought of learning about....projects and solutions and Amazing Stuff that I never would have otherwise encountered! This list, and _all_ of the people on it (both the "noisier" ones like me, and the quieter "lurkers") have been a sanity-saver for me. Yeah, sometimes folks have pretty strong opinions on things, but so what? At least they feel comfortable enough to express those opinions (whether I agree with them or not). And yeah, occasionally, there's a thread I don't give a d@ng about, but then, that's what my delete key is for....And if someone gets really out of sorts, then that's what our List Mama is for...to gently-but-firmly remind us to stay on-topic and polite. Some folks have mentioned the sense of a "hierarchy" on this list....I don't think of it like that, because it implies that there's some sort of structure imposed on us. Certainly, there are individuals who've been able to learn more about their areas of interest than others, or who have better computer/fabric/research opportunities, but that's just life. I don't have the time, or the resources, or the training, to have my own website right now, but all of the examples of websites and dress diaries I've found through this list have got me thinking that I definitely want to do the same! Lists like this are a great opportunity for isolated folks like me to "converse" and "hang out" with people of all kinds--where ever they are on any given learning curve. Which means, I try not to let myself be too intimidated by Bjarne, or Drea, or Heather, or Robin, or Margo....or anyone else I'd occasionally give my eye teeth to be! If I'm feeling intimidated, or overwhelmed by what someone knows/can do, it's my responsibility to deal with that--it's a reaction that _I've_ brought to the relationship/conversation. Obligatory Costume Content: Today, I'm off to JoAnn's with my discount coupon, to see if they've got any wool (a girl can always hope, huh?), and to a local fiber-arts store to buy my tablet-weaving supplies for my gothic fitted gown (tm). I'm going to buy some different perle cottons to learn on, and some lovely 50/2 silk thread for the actual gown. Maybe lots and lots of the silk thread--it's undyed/unbleached, and a perfect weight to use for embroidery. And I'm learning from friends about natural dyes.... --Sue Fran wrote: > > > > > > > However if anyone is concerned about possible criticism for > > "shortcuts", there's a way to avoid most of it. Just mention, "I know > > this isn't absolutely authentic, but it's what I can get (or afford, > > or do, or have time for) right now." Those with _good_ manners, at > > least, will be much more likely to speak kindly and provide help in > > doing what you _can_ do in the best way possible. > > If the person does not state what their purpose is, it would be better > to ask if authenticity is indeed their desire--rather than assuming that > the person is aspiring to it and you just need to know what their limits > are. Authenticity is simply not relevant for some costuming purposes. > People should not have to start out with an apology to those for whom it > is more relevant. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 12:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09240 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hs3l9000384; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hs3ud012554; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hroud012440 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:53:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m96.in-tch.com [216.166.191.96]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB7HbnD23585 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:37:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF235C2.59ABE439@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Good dye suppliers was Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric References: <20021207162729.12454.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <00be01c29e10$d0815f40$b65722d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:54:10 -0700 Status: RO Nicole, you can probably get one of us here in the US to order it for you, if there aren't any issues with mailing the chemicals/dyes. --sue Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Nicole wrote > > > > Thanks, but sadly, Dharma doesn't ship to the UK nowadays. There > are > > > all sorts of useful things which they sell which I would love to > get > > > my hands on:-( > > > > ACK!!!! So much for my idea of ordering something then. How > anti-global is > > that, not to send anywhere in the world in this day and age of the > internet. > > *sniff* > > I think that they did it for a while but it was so much hassle that > they packed it in. > > > > > I might be able to ask my reenactor/costume friend in the US to send > some over. > > If I do that, would you like some too, Stevie? > > Yes, very much so. > > On general dying matters I have been very happy with stuff I get from > > http://www.kemtex.co.uk/ > > so I could try ringing them on Monday in case they carry it. > > Incidently, if anyone wants to dye a lot of fabric in one particular > colour the guy will do a special mix of dyes for you. I wanted an eye > popping red, and got it:-) > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 13:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09274 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7I02l9000719; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7I01ud014409; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Hxwud014355 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m96.in-tch.com [216.166.191.96]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB7HhvD25482 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:43:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF23732.345F6C5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:00:18 -0700 Status: RO Hey! That might actually fit *me*! Bjarne, that silk is beeyoootiful! What a lucky lady! Would silk of that type be appropriate to use for a saque dress? I've always loved those, and would love to make one, even if I don't have anywhere to wear it! --sue, going back to her embroidery too, as soon as she can pry herself away from the computer! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello > I have updated my dress diary. > Go to address below, click on robe a la francaise, and scroll down to the > buttom where there is a link: underpinnings. > It is only a mock up of the stays, wich are to be send to Denver on monday. > Now, back to embroidery :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 13:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09361 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7IL1l9001388; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7IL0ud019929; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7IK1ud019639 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8298 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 18:20:01 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 18:20:01 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-98.sonic.net [209.148.112.98]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB7IK0B25041 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:20:00 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF23C30.BE4BD6B6@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:21:36 -0800 Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > > I agree...with Fran's comment, and with the person whom she's quoting. > However, I don't think that those who are more into authenticity should > have to apologize, either. I really get tired of being referred to as a > "cosack" or "nazi" or any other disparaging term that somehow seems > designed to make me feel like I'm some sort of stereotypical > fun-stealer. H-costume is supposed to be a group that embraces all types of historic costuming. What I mean is, that there should be no default assumption that the person wants to make an authentic costume unless they say explicitly say otherwise and justify it. Any more than there should be a default assumption that the person is making a stage costume or a Halloween costume unless they say otherwise. Nor should there be an assumption that "more authentic" is always "better" and "progressive." If you're making a stage costume whose goal is to be seen from the back row and put on and off by the actor in a few minutes, delicate visual details and an intricate system of hooks and eyes are not better. In other words I think people should recognize that there can be entirely different and equally valid costuming goals. Not just "levels of authenticity" that everyone "should work up to" as they acquire more expertise and money for materials. Also, people should recognize that groups other than reenactors make costumes. I understand why people resent being called costume Nazis. It's an offensive label. However, such name calling is a reaction by those whose goal is not authenticity to being told explicitly or implicity that they "ought to" pursue their profession or hobby in a different way. In the case of h-costume, they should not be told "If you don't like authenticity, don't join this group." Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 13:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09485 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7In3l9002396; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7In1ud027782; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7ImPud027641 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:48:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Kk00-0001qT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:48:24 +0000 Message-ID: <00e201c29e21$c4aa4e00$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:52:18 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > I have updated my dress diary. > Go to address below, click on robe a la francaise, and scroll down to the > buttom where there is a link: underpinnings. > It is only a mock up of the stays, wich are to be send to Denver on monday. > Now, back to embroidery :-) > Bjarne, it's going to be wonderful! My only quibble is your term 'large woman'; I know exactly what you mean but some people may not. I recommend a term which my mother recommended to me: ' A Junoesque lady' Of course, not everybody is familiar with Roman mythology, but comparing someone to a goddess is usually pretty safe. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09706 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:35:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JY2l9004391; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JY0ud010136; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JXQud009989 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-109-174.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.174]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL16907; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:31:26 GMT Message-ID: <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:38:24 -0000 Status: RO >Nope, I tried it and didn't work. Ecover bleach was actually better than the Dylon stuff. Perhaps the Dharma trading one would work on the cotton lace that I have. I believe Dylon takes dye away rather than bleaches, if the cotton is ecru (I missed the rest of the thread ) you will need a bleach, Hydrogen peroxide is better than UK floor bleach Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09713 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:35:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JZ1l9004422; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JZ0ud010391; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JYoud010339 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:34:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-109-174.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.174]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL16998; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:32:49 GMT Message-ID: <007601c29e28$67167280$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207162729.12454.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:39:47 -0000 Status: RO I expect they don't ship because of the laws etc on importing chemicals between countries Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:36:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09718 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:36:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JZ6l9004437; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JZ5ud010419; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JY3ud010153 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-109-174.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.174]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL16948; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:32:03 GMT Message-ID: <007101c29e28$4b8e69a0$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <00a301c29e0c$67b1d8e0$b65722d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Status: RO >on the chemical name, What was the chemical name ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09732 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:40:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jd1l9004617; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jd1ud011609; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JcRud011470 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:38:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-109-174.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.174]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL17147; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:36:27 GMT Message-ID: <009f01c29e28$e89a4520$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:43:18 -0000 Status: RO >Peplos gowns: 'string' in the waist but excess fabric from top bloused over that = everything as wide as the widest part, the hips, and 'boat' neckline. *shudder* Gareth's been an Anglo Saxon so long he actually finds these sexy !!! I hate Napoleonic empire line stuff, my boobs are way to big ! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09752 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:42:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jg1l9004706; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jg0ud012479; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7JfTud012315 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-109-174.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.174]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL17238; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:39:29 GMT Message-ID: <00ac01c29e29$54e5f6c0$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Kemtex Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Status: RO Hey I knew Peter years ago !! I bet they can find you something Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09785 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jm2l9004919; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jm1ud014006; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jliud013926 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DE63B48036E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:47:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c29e29$f8b9f760$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF23732.345F6C5@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:51:01 +0100 Status: RO Dear Sue The Dress i am going to make of it, is actually a saque dress. So sure you can! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person > Hey! That might actually fit *me*! > Bjarne, that silk is beeyoootiful! What a lucky lady! > Would silk of that type be appropriate to use for a saque dress? I've > always loved those, and would love to make one, even if I don't have > anywhere to wear it! > --sue, going back to her embroidery too, as soon as she can pry herself > away from the computer! > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Hello > > I have updated my dress diary. > > Go to address below, click on robe a la francaise, and scroll down to the > > buttom where there is a link: underpinnings. > > It is only a mock up of the stays, wich are to be send to Denver on monday. > > Now, back to embroidery :-) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 14:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09799 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:51:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jp1l9005046; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jp0ud014882; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Jotud014851 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6274F480594 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:50:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c29e2a$6b6b3bc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00e201c29e21$c4aa4e00$b65722d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:54:14 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. Good heavens! i didnt think of it this way. Is it really bad to say a large person? Would it be better to say large sized? Perhaps i should use your mothers word then. Thanks for the tip! Did you get the cd? I sended it for you tuesday. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person > Bjarne wrote: > > > I have updated my dress diary. > > Go to address below, click on robe a la francaise, and scroll down > to the > > buttom where there is a link: underpinnings. > > It is only a mock up of the stays, wich are to be send to Denver on > monday. > > Now, back to embroidery :-) > > > > Bjarne, it's going to be wonderful! > My only quibble is your term 'large woman'; I know exactly what you > mean but some people may not. I recommend a term which my mother > recommended to me: > ' A Junoesque lady' > Of course, not everybody is familiar with Roman mythology, but > comparing someone to a goddess is usually pretty safe. > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09905 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:08:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7K71l9005519; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7K70ud018582; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7K67ud018371 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CDA60480352 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:06:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] next years projekts. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:09:28 +0100 Status: RO Hello the list! New year is not far away. What will be your next years projekts? I have some shoes to embroider, and maybe a stomacher. The shoes is going to be raised metal embroidery, and the stomacher will be mixed silks and metal thread. Then i am to make a polonaise dress. This is the things i have in my callendar. Then i think i want to make a late elizabethan dress. It is on time, that i have this period on my homepage. I never gets any renaissance orders, maybe because i dont have that period on the web. Perhaps i could sell it on ebay when i have made it. What about all you lurkers out there, let us hear what you wants to make!!! Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09988 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KK2l9006554; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KK1ud022445; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KJ9ud022032 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB7KgDaB004573; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:42:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB7KgDRU004571; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:42:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Elizabeth Young Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> <3DF22F83.6030006@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <3DF22F83.6030006@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212071542.12985.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB7KJ9ud022032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:42:12 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 07 December 2002 12:27 pm, Elizabeth Young wrote: > Stevie Gamble wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. > >Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, > >so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. > >Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire > >ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them I look pretty dreadful in coifs myself. Especially the simple Viking kind (which surprised me; I usually look good in headwear of all kinds, no matter how strange). I look fine in a peplos type dress, provided the fabric is supple enough and/or thin enough to drape well; otherwise I tend to look dumpy. Other items of historic costume I can stand not to wear: Broad-shouldered 1890's style "waists" (tends to emphasize my shortness and de-emphasize the better aspects of my torso). That's about it, really. Guess I'm lucky.... -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10041 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:30:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KT2l9007157; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KT0ud025139; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KS9ud024840 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fab.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.171]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E4CD85EEA16 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:28:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c29e2f$a053e760$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] stays Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:31:30 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. I am very glad that you warned me about that word. Silly me, i surely didnt want to be rude, and it was very careless of me. Now i used your word Junoeque in stead. Thanks for this Stevie, i am glad you told me. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10097 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Ke2l9007891; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Ke1ud028035; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7KdSud027872 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KljT-0003WF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:39:27 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c29e31$47c564a0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00e201c29e21$c4aa4e00$b65722d9@dan> <001701c29e2a$6b6b3bc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:43:20 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > Dear Stevie. > > Good heavens! i didnt think of it this way. Is it really bad to say a large > person? > Would it be better to say large sized? I think you have to remember that as costumers we use words like large, medium, small etc as factual descriptions. Unfortunately in the outside world those terms may have undesirable connotations, and a dress diary on the Internet is *in* the outside world. Which means that it's perhaps preferable to use other terms... > Perhaps i should use your mothers word then. It's a good word; I commend to you also 'statuesque' and, in the case of a short large lady, 'pocket Venus'. > Thanks for the tip! You are most welcome; > Did you get the cd? I did indeed, and have been sitting at my pc almost non-stop since then. I am particularly taken with the dress at 21.jpg; there's a detailed picture at 19.jpg There are seashells in silver on the gown and the matching stole. It is very lovely, but I don't know what date it is, though. Many thanks for taking all that trouble best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10111 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Kf1l9007985; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Kf0ud028323; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Kerud028290 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:40:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB7KdmeB022677 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212072039.gB7KdmeB022677@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Bjarne og Leif Drews" at Dec 07, 2002 09:31:30 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:39:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO the other polite options for American English are "full figured" and "Plus sized". "Large" is just really not very specific, either -- a "large" person could be very tall, or very fat, or full figured. .heather. > > Dear Stevie. > I am very glad that you warned me about that word. > Silly me, i surely didnt want to be rude, and it was very careless of me. > Now i used your word Junoeque in stead. Thanks for this Stevie, i am glad > you told me. > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 15:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10129 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:44:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Kh1l9008045; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Kh1ud028937; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7KgRud028811 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:42:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207204226.46645.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:42:26 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Linda's question: Roman lady's dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:42:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO While I know next to nuffin about the Romans (*Monty Pythonesque voice* 'what have the Romans ever done for us...' hehehe) I just this book lying at my trusty Ben's (other half) and he said it was a good one: Costume of Ancient Rome by David J Symons, drawings by Jack Cassin-Scott. London, BT Batsford Ltd., 1987. Aldo, I found a photo amongst my looooooads of costume piccies (compulsive pic-saver ;-) which shows the dressing of a Roman lady: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/dressing.jpg Perhaps that helps a little. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10281 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:19:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LI3l9009542; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LI1ud008289; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7LH6ud008049 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-93-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.93.4 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:17:06 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c29e36$7496aed0$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> <001101c29df0$51061460$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:20:23 -0800 Status: RO Thanks Bjarne and all! It's fascinating to think that pinking tools was all that was used, but does seem the most likely explanation. I do see in my "Fashion in Detail" that the edges are the tinest bit frayed, but given the age of the garments, it seems amazing to me that they aren't more shredded. It must be the weave of the fabrics, and the methods of cutting that preserves the edges. Bjarne, do you have closeup pics of your technique for edging the self ruching details? I would probably do something similar for theater, because durability is the second biggest concern to look as actors are terribly hard on their garments. The closer I can get to the right look the better. It's a fabulous and fairly inexpensive way to decorate garments rather elaborately so it's something I'd like to know a bit more about. You people are so generous with your knowledge. Thank you thank you. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail > Dear Angela. > I will read through my book, danish one, i have about fashion in 18th > century. > It is my thoaght, that they did not do anything to the fabric, only the > pinking tools, cut the fabric on bias most of the time, so that it will not > fray. > When i make a lot of ruched ribbon works on the dress, i zig zag all the > edges very closely and then i turn over the zig zag as a seam and stitch by > hand. > I do the same thing for the sleave ruffles, you cant have a doubble seam on > those, because then they wont fall propperly. > Ill look what she writes about it today and post later. > > I have never done any pinking myself, i have made sleave ruffles cut like a > pinking shape, but only cut with a sharp scissor.And then only made a very > narrow seam with the zig zag turned round about 3-4 mm. > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cabbage Rose" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 3:10 AM > Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail > > > > Bjarne, since you popped up, perhaps you would know the answer to this > > question. I just got my copy of "Fashion" from KCI and the pictures of > > dresses from your period are STUNNING! Most of them have what appears to > be > > pinked ruching, or gathered self "ribbons" made of the dress fabric all up > > and down the fronts of the dresses. The unfinished edges of the fabric > that > > has been pinked or otherwise cut are still nice and clean. How does that > > work? > > > > I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over > > time. I use fray check in theater, but obviously that did not exist back > > then. What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? > > Something I'm missing? > > > > Anyone with any knowledge may certainly pipe up. It's a marvelous book. > > Thanks to the original poster for mentioning it was available. > > > > angela > > +++++ > > Angela F. Lazear > > Cabbage Rose Costumes > > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > > Theatrical Costume Design > > > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > > W. Shakespeare > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:20 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] Imperial Taffeta > > > > > > > Guess what? > > > I got 15 meters of sky blue Silk Taffeta from London today!!! > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10362 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:29:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LT1l9009996; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LT0ud011138; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LSGud010941 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.59] (as3-4-73.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.59]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB7LSD002822 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:28:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB7LSGud010941 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:28:01 -0800 Status: RO At 10:30 AM +0000 12/7/02, Linda Walton wrote: >Hello Everyone ! > >Since there seems to be a mood of helpfulness abroad, and not many questions >being asked to use it up, I've nerved myself to ask about the subject that's >been worrying me lately. I know it's not the sort of historic costume that >this group usually finds itself discussing, but someone may know about it. >Web searches have produced only fairly thin information so far, and the >books I have available are very vague indeed. > >Please, how do I dress as a fairly wealthy Roman lady of the time of Cicero >? > >It is for a party with my Latin class on 17th December, so I would like it >to be as authentic as I can manage, and - especially - I would like to be >able to answer questions about it. So where my clothing isn't very >accurate, I would like to be able to explain about it. Although a brain-dump of references may not be very useful for the current deadline, at least you may find the following of use in the future. (This is simply a personal list of resources I've used -- not necessarily complete or definitive.) Stauffer, Annemarie. 1995. Textiles of Late Antiquity. Metropolitan Museum, New York. ISBN 0-89099-768-8 Houston, Mary G.. 1959. Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume & Decor. Adam & Charles Black, London. Croom, A.T. 2000. Roman Clothing and Fashion. Tempus Publishing, Inc., Charleston. ISBN 0-7524-1469-0 Sebesta, Judith Lynn & Larissa Bonfante eds.. 2001. World of Roman Costume. University of Wisconsin Press, Madicon. ISBN 0-299-13854-2 Johns, Catherine. 1996. Jewellery of Roman Britain. Univ of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor. ISBN 0-472-10766-6 Wild, J.P. 1970. Textile Manufacture in the Northern Roman Provinces. Cambridge University Press. SBN 521-07491-6 Rogers, Penelope Walton, Lise Bender Jørgensen & Antoinette Rast-Eicher. 2001. Roman Textile Industry and its Influence. Oxbow Books, Oxford. ISBN 1-84217-046-5 Wilson, Lillian M.. 1938. Clothing of the Ancient Romans. (?publisher?) King, Donald. 1996. "Roman and Byzantine Dress in Egypt" in Costume: 30:1-15. I also tend to find a lot of the early Coptic material from Egypt to be helpful for construction and ornamentation ideas. >Here are some specific areas that I am wondering about:- >1. What about underwear ? I want to get the general shape right, and have >heard that Roman ladies wore - among other things - corsets, but don't know >when, or what sort. (This particularly concerns me because I must wear a >bra, due to mastectomy/prosthesis requirements, and I'm fairly plump, too.) I don't recall running across anything I'd describe as a "corset" (well, except for the "highly imaginative" costuming in the movie "Gladiator"!), but you get regular references to a breast-band called a "strophium" that -- if it is related to the garments seen on the "exercise girls" mosaic and various wall-paintings of sexual activity, appears to be basically a band wrapped around the breasts. So something for breast-support does seem to have been used, and for your particular requirements (and the context of the event), I'd just go with your regular bra and design the shoulder fastenings of the garments to cover the bra straps. >2. How should I decorate the fabric ? I've heard of gold thread in finds: >would that be couched embroidery ? I've got some good linen waiting to be >used, but could only add simple embroidery in the time available - what >patterns would be appropriate ? What about coloured wools ? (If the only >answer is woven gold threads, or complicated sewing, then I'd better go down >the social scale a bit !) If the late-Roman finds from Egypt are typical of Roman styles (which is not a certainty, but a good place to start), then decoration seems to have been primarily woven-in (tapestry weaving) with embroidery a far second in popularity. Gold thread could easily have been incorporated in tapestry-woven decorations. But there are at least _some_ parallel designs in embroidery (primarily chain or stem stitch in either wool or silk), and I could see it being plausible for couched gold thread to be incorporated in that sort of work. (Sometimes the kink-patterns in the metallic thread will give a clue to what kind of work was done with it, but sometimes it isn't in good enough shape for that kind of information.) If you want to do something relatively simple in a short time, I'd go with woolen embroidery in stem or chain stitch on linen, which is what you find in the early Coptic material. The motifs involved are exactly the same sorts that you find in tapestry work -- some sort of simple acanthus or key-pattern bands would probably be reasonable. >3. What about hairstyles and jewellery ? I've got long straight hair, and >couldn't go in for a great bush of little curls: could I get away with >putting it up in a bun like the Greek ladies. I know I won't need a veil, >(thank goodness), but should I have some other sort of head-dress ? Were >necklaces very common ? I do have some rings, brooches and a bracelet that >are copies of finds, would they be enough ? I'm not sure I can do justice to describing embroidery styles -- you'd be better off looking at portraits and archaeological finds from the period and getting your own sense of what would work. Ditto hairstyles. Some sort of bun-like style might work, but look at pictures any make your own interpretations. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10400 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:34:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LY4l9010301; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7LY1ud012907; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7LXjud012809 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-93-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.93.4 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c29e38$c7e165b0$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20021207150027.79319.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:37:02 -0800 Status: RO I believe I joined the list in approximately 1995 or a bit later. For those of you unfamiliar with me, I am a theatrical costumer in the SF Bay Area, US. I think for the most part it is a delightful place to chat and enquire about different questions that come up in theatrical costuming, and although visual historic accuracy is often my objective, technical historical accuracy is probably never going to be, unless whopper poppers were actually the closure method of choice at the turn of the century. Never stops me from following a thread of interest, nor from reeling with admiration for the collective wisdom embodied in the members here. As others have pointed out, we could be kinder to one another from time to time, but that is certainly always going to be true and is a part of the human condition. I know I have occasionally slipped up and to anyone I have offended over the years, a sincere, heartfelt apology. Just gotta love anyone who spends this much time thinking and "talking" about clothes, their beauty, their history and construction. The only difference between this list and heaven, is that in heaven, the dye lots will always be perfect, the fabric stash will never get bugs, and the costumes can be imagined into existence, without the backbreaking long nights of labor... wait I actually LIKE that part! Cheers angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Nay then, let the devil wear black, for I'll have a suit of sables..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10457 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lg1l9010579; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lg0ud015081; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7Lfwud015054 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:41:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqTsqFBsFt6YNqX6isFSL40hq599frHREw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKF573JT; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:41:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021207.164002.-246165.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:40:01 -0500 Status: RO A new question just popped into my little pea brain. When did snaps first come out. Can't imagine that they are very old, but they are so convenient. Just curious. Thanks Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10466 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lj2l9010675; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lj2ud015988; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7Liaud015862 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:44:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-93-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.93.4 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:44:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c29e3a$4bd9c550$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:47:53 -0800 Status: RO Ohhh, how delightful a subject is this? I must finish a repro 20s performance Kimono, with black sheer organza trim beaded with garnet 3-cut transparent beads and these lovely blood red triangle beads I found coated in what is probably a gold wash. Sparkly! Then I will begin studying the teens (1912) in preparation for "The Music Man" , which will audition in May. I will also be Assistant Directing my first show. While I'm working on that, I will be helping my daughter execute her 1940's inspired prom dress. We will be making a chiffon skirt at the bottom in a solid color (unless anyone can tell me a fool proof method of gradient dying) and the top will be nude and beaded. A wedding dress for a friend's daughter in June... then "Sweeney Todd" in September. Set in 1865, (I believe, I will have to double check that), it is a period/fantasy/black comedy, for those of you who may be unfamiliar with it. Sondheim. Costumes are very spooky surreal. I'll probably also find time to make myself some more bias cut day dresses, my new favorite garb. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "So far as my coin would stretch; and where it would not I have used my credit." King Henry the Fourth; I, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] next years projekts. > Hello the list! > New year is not far away. What will be your next years projekts? > I have some shoes to embroider, and maybe a stomacher. > The shoes is going to be raised metal embroidery, and the stomacher will be > mixed silks and metal thread. > Then i am to make a polonaise dress. > This is the things i have in my callendar. > Then i think i want to make a late elizabethan dress. > It is on time, that i have this period on my homepage. > I never gets any renaissance orders, maybe because i dont have that period > on the web. > Perhaps i could sell it on ebay when i have made it. > What about all you lurkers out there, let us hear what you wants to make!!! > > > > Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:52:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10484 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:52:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lp2l9010839; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lp1ud017692; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7LoSud017570 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:50:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-93-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.93.4 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c29e3b$1d9f3f70$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C29DF8.0F49F2F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:53:45 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C29DF8.0F49F2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vionnet for inventing the bias. Chanel in the 20s. Worth, Balmain. These days John Galliano for being the showiest and the most = consistently to my own personal way over the top tastes. He did a = beaded / silk ribbon / 20s repro hankerchief hem line a few years backed = that simply rocked. Badgely Mishka for the prettiest evening wear. =20 hmm.... I'm sure I'm forgetting many. Dior, can't forget Dior. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Nay then, let the devil wear black,=20 for I'll have a suit of sables..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lloyd Mitchell=20 To: H-Costume=20 Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Favorite Designers Here is a new topic for consideration: With the Twentieth Century = getting further behind us, and it was a century when fashion designers = became Known in their own right, who impresses you or has influenced = your own design interpretations and what influence will they make in the = ever evolving world of Historical Costuming. Anne Hollander in "Seeing = Through Clothes" makes the case for fashion of any age being re = interpreted subsequently in terms of the current mode of aesthetics; ( = and this can certainly be observed in the 20th C ideas pursued by the = movie mogul designers, as well as any time the Fashion runways quote the = fads and fancies of the past.) {Another semi-lurker, Kathleen M...A = list observer since the early 90's.] ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C29DF8.0F49F2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vionnet for inventing the = bias.  Chanel=20 in the 20s.  Worth, Balmain.
These days John Galliano for being = the=20 showiest and the most consistently to my own personal way over the top=20 tastes.  He did a beaded / silk ribbon / 20s repro hankerchief hem = line a=20 few years backed that simply rocked.  Badgely Mishka for the prettiest evening wear.  =
 
hmm.... I'm sure I'm forgetting = many. =20 Dior, can't forget Dior.
 
angela
+++++
Angela F. = Lazear
Cabbage Rose=20 Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
Theatrical=20 Costume Design
 
"Nay then, let the devil wear = black,
for=20 I'll have a suit of sables..."
W. Shakespeare
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lloyd=20 Mitchell
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 = 6:35=20 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Favorite=20 Designers

Here is a new topic for consideration: With the = Twentieth=20 Century getting further behind us, and it was a century when fashion = designers=20 became Known in their own right, who impresses you or has influenced = your own=20 design interpretations and what influence will they make in the ever = evolving=20 world of Historical Costuming. Anne Hollander in "Seeing Through = Clothes"=20 makes the case for fashion of any age being re interpreted = subsequently in=20 terms of the current mode of aesthetics; ( and this can certainly be = observed=20 in the 20th C ideas pursued by the movie mogul designers, as well as = any time=20 the Fashion runways quote the fads and fancies of the = past.)  =20 {Another semi-lurker, Kathleen M...A list observer since the early=20 90's.] 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C29DF8.0F49F2F0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 16:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10511 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lt2l9010945; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Lt1ud018594; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7LsCud018426 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-93-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.93.4 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:54:11 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c29e3b$a3491510$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> <001101c29df0$51061460$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <002c01c29e36$7496aed0$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail /correction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:57:29 -0800 Status: RO This will drive me insane, sorry, but it's bad grammar, and it was mine. > Thanks Bjarne and all! It's fascinating to think that pinking tools [WERE] all > that was used, but ... (snip) > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > "If we shadows have offended, think but this, > and all is mended, > That you have but slumbered here, > while these visions did appear." > A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 17:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10638 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:21:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7MK2l9011823; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7MK1ud024959; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7MJwud024913 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:19:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-87-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.182] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KnIj-0004ao-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:19:57 +0000 Message-ID: <004601c29e3f$51e537e0$b65722d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:23:50 -0000 Status: RO Sue wrote, from cold, foggy Montana, a typically thoughtful post about what the list can and cannot do; > However, I don't think that those who are more into authenticity should > have to apologize, either. I really get tired of being referred to as a > "cosack" or "nazi" or any other disparaging term that somehow seems > designed to make me feel like I'm some sort of stereotypical > fun-stealer. I don't think you have to apologise either. People lurking on this list don't want to be told that a nice little polycotton mix will perfectly reproduce the handkerchief linen chemise they would like to have; they know perfectly well that it won't. Or at least they will know within 30 seconds of putting it on; there's a very large distinction between 'lurking' and 'stupid'. They want to learn. You can only learn by working at it, and sometimes that's hard. But putting vast amounts of time, energy and money into an ensemble which looks dreadful is a lot harder. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 17:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10753 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Mm2l9013761; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Mm0ud002152; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7MlFud001987 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be5d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.93]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C13805EE76B for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:47:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c29e43$10f60030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:50:40 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing dolls made of paper clay. Are there anyone here, who knows this? Is it good to work with? Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to do.............. www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 17:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10793 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Mr1l9013885; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7Mr0ud003474; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gpvissmtpgw01.splitrock.net (gpvissmtpgw01.splitrock.net [63.254.138.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7Mqbud003398 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18675 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 22:52:36 -0000 Received: from 207-191-202-36.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net (HELO computer) (207.191.202.36) by gpvissmtpgw.splitrock.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 22:52:36 -0000 Message-ID: <00e601c29e44$4d1ce820$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> From: "Avien" To: References: <200212070112.gB71CC8f012953@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Trim on Arwen's dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:59:28 -0600 Status: RO Hello, I am curious about the trim on Arwen's dress (neckline and upper sleeves) in the picture that was posted recently. http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/image14. shtml I have seen trim like this on other dresses in movies but haven't the slightest clue how they make the trim. I am interested in making some trim like this but I can't even begin to guess what was used or how it was done. Any suggestions? Also was trim like this ever used in historical garments? I like fantasy clothing almost as much as historical so it will be all right with me if it isn't period, any period. But I am curious. Thanks so much! Avien _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 18:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10834 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:05:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7N42l9014211; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7N41ud006327; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21307.mail.yahoo.com (web21307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7N3Yud006221 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:03:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207230333.44199.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.107.69] by web21307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:03:33 PST From: kate Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001101c29e29$f8b9f760$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hey Bjarne If you go to http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/elenora.jpg you will find a better copy of the portrait of Eleanora. Just right click on it and copy her for your website. Love the gown!!! Your work is absolutely stunning. kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 18:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10838 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:07:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7N71l9014321; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7N70ud007024; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21306.mail.yahoo.com (web21306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7N69ud006856 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:06:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207230608.39395.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.107.69] by web21306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:06:08 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001101c29e29$f8b9f760$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] oops Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:06:08 -0800 (PST) Status: RO that was meant to go to Bjarne privately. Sorry about that... kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 18:12:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10850 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7NB1l9014431; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7NB0ud007863; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7NAdud007780 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:10:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021207231039.86603.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:10:39 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim on Arwen's dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00e601c29e44$4d1ce820$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Avien wrote: > Hello, What a coincidence, I was thinking about the same trim recently! (coz I love it) > I am curious about the trim on Arwen's dress (neckline and upper sleeves) in > the picture that was posted recently. > > http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/empiretttlarge/imagepages/image14. > shtml > > I have seen trim like this on other dresses in movies but haven't the > slightest clue how they make the trim. I am interested in making some trim > like this but I can't even begin to guess what was used or how it was done. > Any suggestions? Well, actually, while I was skimming through the old brain and trying to remember/fisgure iut where I had seen something like that it suddenly came to me: Indian shops. There are lots of those here in England. I know that I have seen lovely broad trims/sari edgings that were metallic embroideries and looked very much like the ones on her dress. Also, would could well be is that a vintage trim was used, particularly some vintage trim from India, I have some Victorian Indian bits that are stunning and similar in workmanship. All in all I'd say it could be reproduced using a metallic Indian sari trim. Have a look at Ebay, I am sure I have seen some on there. Sadly I wouldn't know how to make any like this - and to be honest, looking at the cost of such lovely Indian trims, even those in the shops, it isn't worth making. I suppose one could make them though using metallic threads on bullion trim and using padded metalwork embroidery. > Also was trim like this ever used in historical garments? I honestly don't think so other than in Victorian fancies, but I'm not that knowledgable on that. I like fantasy > clothing almost as much as historical so it will be all right with me if it > isn't period, any period. But I am curious. I'm with you on that *G* I LURVE fantasy. Nicole (and Baroque of course, but everyone knows that, hehe) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 18:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10869 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:21:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7NL2l9015009; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7NL1ud010367; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB7NKpud010320 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5215 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 23:20:51 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:20:51 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-66.sonic.net [209.148.112.66]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB7NKo114043 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20:50 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF282B2.D11E664C@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> <004601c29e3f$51e537e0$b65722d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:22:26 -0800 Status: RO > I don't think you have to apologise either. People lurking on this > list don't want to be told that a nice little polycotton mix will > perfectly reproduce the handkerchief linen chemise they would like to > have; they know perfectly well that it won't. Or at least they will > know within 30 seconds of putting it on; there's a very large > distinction between 'lurking' and 'stupid'. They want to learn. You > can only learn by working at it, and sometimes that's hard. But > putting vast amounts of time, energy and money into an ensemble which > looks dreadful is a lot harder. > > But not everyone considers a poly-cotton chemise to be a waste of time and money. It suits some people perfectly well--not because they're ignorant, but because it fulfills their goals. Whether it fulfills the goals of some other person who is not wearing it and does not officially set goals for some organization they both belong to, is entirely beside the point. Others would like to have the 100% linen but can't afford it. They don't want to be told they are ignorant, that they "ought to" afford linen, etc. If someone's outfit fulfills the goals _officially_ set by their organization or employer, and it fulfills their own goals in terms of what they want to wear, what they can afford, what they are able to make, etc.--it is never a waste of time and money. There is no reason to throw something out just because of freelance criticism, on the net or elsewhere. My point is that everyone, when posting, should consider that h-costume has members with many different costuming goals. Others may not have the same goals you do, but their goals are still valid for them. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 20:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11274 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81T1l9019652; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81T1ud010654; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81S6ud010464 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021208012805.HTDE2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:28:05 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <3DF2A01E.28154.3487E498@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DF282B2.D11E664C@lavoltapress.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:27:58 -0000 Status: RO On 7 Dec 2002 at 15:22, Lavolta Press wrote: > > People lurking on this > > list don't want to be told that a nice little polycotton mix will > > perfectly reproduce the handkerchief linen chemise they would like > > to have; they know perfectly well that it won't. Or at least they > > will know within 30 seconds of putting it on; there's a very large > > distinction between 'lurking' and 'stupid'. They want to learn. You > > can only learn by working at it, and sometimes that's hard. But > > putting vast amounts of time, energy and money into an ensemble > > which looks dreadful is a lot harder. I suspect that you underestimate the ignorance of some of us. I don't think I'm stupid as such, but as yet (well, until a few minutes ago!) I had no idea to what extent poly-cotton could or could not reproduce linen. Myy guess would err towards "not", but I've never had the experience to judge. I'd rather not waste large quantities of my time finding out the hard way: so when I need to know this sort of thing, I'll be asking amazingly ignorant questions. And, going by past experience, getting helpful and informative answers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 20:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11286 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:30:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81P5l9019487; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81P1ud009819; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB81Ouud009766 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:24:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OsU6EAbxuJTKlUZsgajChzc="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKGJWR92; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:23:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays Message-ID: <20021207.172524.-211469.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:44:17 +0000 Status: RO Of course you need to remember that in America anything over a size 2 is a plus size. :/ Arlys, who is medium tall, but not large, and *still* needs to buy the bloody plus sizes! On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:39:47 -0800 (PST) Heather Meadows writes: > the other polite options for American English are "full figured" and > "Plus sized". "Large" is just really not very specific, either -- a > "large" > person could be very tall, or very fat, or full figured. > > .heather. > > > > > > Dear Stevie. > > I am very glad that you warned me about that word. > > Silly me, i surely didnt want to be rude, and it was very careless > of me. > > Now i used your word Junoeque in stead. Thanks for this Stevie, i > am glad > > you told me. > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 20:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11333 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:42:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81f2l9019990; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81f1ud013303; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81elud013238 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m21.in-tch.com [216.166.191.21]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB81OjD14818 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:24:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2A332.3D274F8E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays References: <200212072039.gB7KdmeB022677@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:41:06 -0700 Status: RO The way Heather phrases it is pretty spot-on, Bjarne. I'm at the high end of full-figured sizes, and I wasn't offended by your use of the term "large," but it could be taken in a number of ways, like Heather says. For instance, I think you'd have a H*ll of a time making stays for me--I'm very big, fairly short, and have a bigger bust than most I've met. And a friend of mine, who could also loosely be described as "large," but who is almost a foot taller than I, would be a different challenge altogether--smaller bust, bigger ribcage, longer proportions. --sue, who bought, today, some lovely 50/2 silk for the tablet-woven edges of her fitted-gown sleeves.....I love silk....*sigh*..... Heather Meadows wrote: > > the other polite options for American English are "full figured" and > "Plus sized". "Large" is just really not very specific, either -- a "large" > person could be very tall, or very fat, or full figured. > > .heather. > > > > > Dear Stevie. > > I am very glad that you warned me about that word. > > Silly me, i surely didnt want to be rude, and it was very careless of me. > > Now i used your word Junoeque in stead. Thanks for this Stevie, i am glad > > you told me. > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 20:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11352 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81j2l9020072; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81j2ud014098; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81iaud013983 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:44:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m21.in-tch.com [216.166.191.21]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB81SZD16128 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:28:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2A41A.2B41054E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021207150027.79319.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <008d01c29e38$c7e165b0$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:44:58 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, the endorphin rush is something else, isn't it? --Sue, who's pulled a few all-nighters herself! Cabbage Rose wrote: > > Just gotta love anyone who spends this much time thinking and "talking" > about clothes, their beauty, their history and construction. The only > difference between this list and heaven, is that in heaven, the dye lots > will always be perfect, the fabric stash will never get bugs, and the > costumes can be imagined into existence, without the backbreaking long > nights of labor... wait I actually LIKE that part! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 20:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11385 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:57:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81u2l9020455; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81u1ud016644; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB81t6ud016463 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m21.in-tch.com [216.166.191.21]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB81d5D19372 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:39:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2A690.28F925DF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:55:28 -0700 Status: RO Ooooh! Cool new topic! I have a couple of goals for next year--I'm making a wool and linen fitted gown for a competition in February. And I'm going to be making new garb--some nice Flemish market stuff (16th c.), and maybe a couple of outfits from the Manesse Codex. And I plan on picking up my bobbin lace again--I've still got the notes and such from your class this past winter. My biggest project, though, will be finishing the embroidery on my blackworked shift. I want to have it done by next August.... --sue (not a lurker, though! ) Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello the list! > New year is not far away. What will be your next years projekts? > I have some shoes to embroider, and maybe a stomacher. > The shoes is going to be raised metal embroidery, and the stomacher will be > mixed silks and metal thread. > Then i am to make a polonaise dress. > This is the things i have in my callendar. > Then i think i want to make a late elizabethan dress. > It is on time, that i have this period on my homepage. > I never gets any renaissance orders, maybe because i dont have that period > on the web. > Perhaps i could sell it on ebay when i have made it. > What about all you lurkers out there, let us hear what you wants to make!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11477 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82G3l9021102; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82G1ud020853; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB82FXud020746 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24516 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 02:15:33 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 02:15:33 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-106.sonic.net [209.148.112.106]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB82FWP26136 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:15:32 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF2ABA5.31B612E@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <3DF2A01E.28154.3487E498@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:17:09 -0800 Status: RO Actually, that quote below is from someone else's message. I didn't write it. What I pointed out is there are people who use poly cotton and other synthetics from choice. That that is an intentional goal, and they don't appreciate being told they are ignorant and need to be "educated." Fran Jane Williams wrote: > On 7 Dec 2002 at 15:22, Lavolta Press wrote: > > > > People lurking on this > > > list don't want to be told that a nice little polycotton mix will > > > perfectly reproduce the handkerchief linen chemise they would like > > > to have; they know perfectly well that it won't. Or at least they > > > will know within 30 seconds of putting it on; there's a very large > > > distinction between 'lurking' and 'stupid'. They want to learn. You > > > can only learn by working at it, and sometimes that's hard. But > > > putting vast amounts of time, energy and money into an ensemble > > > which looks dreadful is a lot harder. > > I suspect that you underestimate the ignorance of > some of us. I don't think I'm stupid as such, but as > yet (well, until a few minutes ago!) I had no idea to > what extent poly-cotton could or could not reproduce > linen. Myy guess would err towards "not", but I've > never had the experience to judge. I'd rather not > waste large quantities of my time finding out the > hard way: so when I need to know this sort of thing, > I'll be asking amazingly ignorant questions. And, > going by past experience, getting helpful and > informative answers. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11517 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82SHl9021742; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:28:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82SGud024222; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f95.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.95]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82ROud023982 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:27:19 -0800 Received: from 213.123.152.122 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:27:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.123.152.122] From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2002 02:27:19.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[54BFAFA0:01C29E61] Subject: [h-cost] Lurkers etc Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:27:18 +0000 Status: RO I know I'm a little late (gosh, haven't checked my e-mail in 24 hours – you people are prodigious!!) but I wanted to weigh in with my 2p worth on the whole lurkers/why aren't there so many subscribers anymore debate.... I've only been a member on this list for a few months, and I don't post very much. I have recently been thinking a lot about unsubscribing. Why? Because it annoys me (and it's 2am and I'm fortified by a certain amount of wine and I figure I've got nothing to lose here) that, no matter what you post about, there are always people who seem to take pleasure in disagreeing with you, just for the hell of it. But, to my mind, actually, NOBODY really knows what it was like in the time periods this list covers, NOBODY was there and the documented evidence is scarce to say the least, and usually restricted to certain levels of society. Frankly, it p***es me off that people think they have all the answers... On a personal level, it also annoys me when people say (as has happened a lot recently), "Oh, the English are like this" or "xxxx happens/happened in England". As an English person, born and bred, and having worked in London for 10 years, there have been several things mentioned on this list recently relating to London and/or England that have been completely inaccurate, but although I've thought about replying, I haven't because I can't be bothered to get into that whole thing where someone tells me that's not how it is (even though I'm there every day). I'm sorry if this is aggressive, I'm sorry if it sounds like a rant (which I guess it is) but I came on this list looking for interesting conversation and for the most part, I just see people nit-picking with other people – because they can. I guess I'll get flamed for this and I'm prepared to accept that because I know I'll just go back to being a lurker... Just thought I'd explain why. And for the record, I went to a Ren Faire once in California and, even though I wasn't into costume in those days, was hugely insulted by the interpretation of England. To my mind, it was Renaissance Disney. Kate _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:29:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11524 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:29:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82S2l9021731; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82S0ud024161; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82R0ud023829 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021208022648.QUWF4594.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00b501c29e61$451d0020$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: <001901c29e43$10f60030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:26:47 -0500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:26:52 -0500 Status: RO Paperclay is fabulous stuff; I've made small anime props and accessories out of it and love it to bits. It's very fine-grained, so is very smooth and pliable but air-dries (unlike fimo or sculpey) and can be sanded to a porcelain finish. It's easy to work with (all you need is water) and also dries incredibly light. -- Maral the den of sarcasm http://sarcasm.fanfic.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > Hello. > I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing dolls > made of paper clay. > Are there anyone here, who knows this? > Is it good to work with? > > Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to > do.............. > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11587 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82j2l9022239; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82j1ud027717; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82ipud027654 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.d0.3127639d (4206) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:44:42 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.3127639d.2b240c1a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:44:42 EST Status: RO --part1_d0.3127639d.2b240c1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2002 8:56:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > What will be your next years projekts? > I first have to finish up various garments for the Battle of New Orleans reenactment in January. I know from experience that it can be cold, so I'm taking two wool spencers. One is done and the other is in progress. I also am planning a wool flannel petticoat for warmth, and would finally like to get my stays done. I bought an ikat silk sari at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival last summer and would like to make a Regency/Federal period ball gown by June. (We'll see if it gets done.) But first, I must finish a princess outfit for my granddaughter for Christmas. It is Simplicity pattern 5909. This is a Renaissance-inspired look. As I'm using some ivory polyester shantung I had on hand, the skirt will not be as full as the pattern (this is just for dress up anyway!) The sleeves will be point d'esprit, and the vest purple velvet with rose gimp and silver lace trim. Mom also requested a "princess hat," which I guess is a hennin, which will also be the velvet. I have been trying to use fabrics I have on hand for current projects. One of the spencers is a green wool I had planned for a skirt several years ago, and gold trims that I already had. For the other spencer, I got a piece of camel-colored wool out of the cedar chest that was going to be a blazer about 20 years ago. I dyed it with Rit wine dye and it came out a nice rust color. I'm lining it with white silk twill. I admit, the sari was a new, and rather expensive, purchase. But my husband had just bought himself a banjo for almost the same price, so I HAD to do something! That only takes me through June. I will need a new 1814 gown next summer, so have to start thinking about that. And I bought some brown wool and velvet to make my husband a new tailcoat, so need to work that in somewhere. Ann Wass --part1_d0.3127639d.2b240c1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2002 8:56:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


What will be your next years projekts?


I first have to finish up various garments for the Battle of New Orleans reenactment in January.  I know from experience that it can be cold, so I'm taking two wool spencers.  One is done and the other is in progress.  I also am planning a wool flannel petticoat for warmth, and would finally like to get my stays done.

I bought an ikat silk sari at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival last summer and would like to make a Regency/Federal period ball gown by June.  (We'll see if it gets done.)

But first, I must finish a princess outfit for my granddaughter for Christmas.  It is Simplicity pattern 5909.  This is a Renaissance-inspired look.  As I'm using some ivory polyester shantung I had on hand, the skirt will not be as full as the pattern (this is just for dress up anyway!)  The sleeves will be point d'esprit, and the vest purple velvet with rose gimp and silver lace trim.  Mom also requested a "princess hat," which I guess is a hennin, which will also be the velvet.

I have been trying to use fabrics I have on hand for current projects.  One of the spencers is a green wool I had planned for a skirt several years ago, and gold trims that I already had.  For the other spencer, I got a piece of camel-colored wool out of the cedar chest that was going to be a blazer about 20 years ago.  I dyed it with Rit wine dye and it came out a nice rust color.  I'm lining it with white silk twill.

I admit, the sari was a new, and rather expensive, purchase.  But my husband had just bought himself a banjo for almost the same price, so I HAD to do something!

That only takes me through June.  I will need a new 1814 gown next summer, so have to start thinking about that.  And I bought some brown wool and velvet to make my husband a new tailcoat, so need to work that in somewhere.

Ann Wass --part1_d0.3127639d.2b240c1a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11614 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:47:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82l0l9022314; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82l0ud028140; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82kAud027988 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021208024551.LKUX4992.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:45:51 -0500 Message-ID: <017901c29e63$f2c40a00$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:45:50 -0500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:46:02 -0500 Status: RO V-necklines for me, or anything that makes my already narrow shoulders look even narrower. Also, I've never worn a farthingale or pannier gown, but I highly suspect I'd look very silly due to being quite short. -- Maral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Talia" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coifs and me > Square necklines for me... > > T > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Stevie Gamble > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:29 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Coifs and me > > > Hi all, > > I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. > Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, > so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. > Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire > ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or > indeed others? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 21:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11632 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82m1l9022365; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82m1ud028359; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB82lLud028198 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:47:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021208024657.LMKF4992.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <018301c29e64$1a1b9a50$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> <3DF20AF7.8CE407E9@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:46:55 -0500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:47:07 -0500 Status: RO Ooh, that might be useful indeed. Wow, thanks for all the suggestions everybody! ^_^ -- Maral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. > Hi, Maral. I remember your question from the first time you posted, but > didn't have anything that could help you, since I'm pretty ignorant of > Moorish cultures. > It occurs to me, though, that I've seen some stuff on Andalusian Spain, > which had a good mix of Christian and Muslim cultural influences. I > could dig that up, if you like? > --Sue "not a lurker" Clemenger....;-) > > Herself-the-Elf wrote: > > > > I tried posting this earlier, but I'm not sure it got to the list. Here > > goes... > > > > Well now that I've pretty much solved my wedding dress problem, I'm > > wondering about > > my guy. I don't think he's likely to want to wear a houppelande or some > > such, and definitely not the silly shoes. So I'm trying to think of > > something different that would still be period (late 14th to early 15th c). > > He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume of some > > sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any > > middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able to > > find much detailed info online... > > > > -- Maral > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11724 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8352l9022940; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8351ud002500; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB834Bud002313 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB836ZYv008864 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF2B714.7070307@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:05:56 -0800 Status: RO Those fabulous beaded/embroidered/decorated Art Deco Dresses look like expensive bundles of neglected laundry on (pear shaped) me. Theresa Eacker Talia wrote: > Square necklines for me... Stevie wrote: > I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. > Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, > so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. > Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire > ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or > indeed others? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11733 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8361l9023008; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8361ud002732; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8359ud002532 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23966 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 03:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.190) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 03:05:07 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:04:37 -0500 Status: RO Hello everyone, I'd thought I would jump in instead of lurking and only asking questions. I have too many things that I want to do for next year,it is doubtful I can complete all of them. First on my list is finishing the beading of under sleeves to a green gown. Next is the Elizabethan coif. I have the linen, the silk thread ( I owe Bjarne thanks for the link to Nan's site) and the pattern (Thanks to Drea's site ) and instructions, all I need is time and the know how. Then I hope to make a Ropa. I have a black and gold fabric that I love, whether its period or not I can see a Ropa every time I look at it. I want to take two more classes on line. I hope to enter another competition, win or lose they are fun and test my endurance. I have two sets of 16th century man's outfits to make, which I hope to have completed by July. Plus I hope to begin a 1650's gown. I'm on the hunt for the fabric and trim now. (I'm placing blame on Nicole for this one. I love the blue gown. I know its redundant but the Blue gown is sinnfully beautiful.) To end this madness of mine I want to improve my hat making skills. I will attempt to make two more tall hats, another Italian bonnet, and one more french hood. All I want and need for Christmas is 36 hours in a day. I think that is my list of projects for next year for me. But something always gets added. Diana -who is looking at two skirts to be stitched, one hat to be finished and the under sleeves. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11741 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:08:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8381l9023089; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8381ud003173; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB837nud003129 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83ADYv008875 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:10:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF2B7EE.1040101@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me References: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:09:34 -0800 Status: RO Oh, yeah, that'll do it for the pear=shaped species among us!!! Theresa Eacker N Kipar wrote > Peplos gowns: 'string' in the waist but excess fabric from top bloused over > that = everything as wide as the widest part, the hips, and 'boat' neckline. > *shudder* > > Nicole > > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11770 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83I2l9023484; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83I1ud005453; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83H4ud005263 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from p964-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.202] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18KrwE-0007dG-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:17:03 +1300 Message-ID: <00d801c29e68$464bdf00$cac3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021207153610.63484.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:17:00 +1300 Status: RO > Oh wow, Lee, that looks JUST like what I would need for a lace of mine, thanks > for sharing this. I just fear that shipping from the US might be a tad > expensive. :-( Still, I think I'll order some in the new year. Try Dylon pre-colour. I use it and I understand it's available in the UK. But now just reading that you've had problems with it.. I don't know what to suggest. I find it took every last trace of a screaming fushia from 10m of silk chiffon. And it managed to remove most of the dye in a silk saree (the one I used for my Eowyn costume- it was a very dark red brown). I did find for the saree I had to do it twice because of the dye content I assume. Very stubborn and it was second hand so it must havce survived some washings;) It's also pretty inexpensive so if you need two tubs it's not that big a deal. And tubs for those not familiar with the stuff actually means a small flat tin about 2 inches in diameter;) I'm about to try using to remove colour from some metal and something lace;) I don't think it's made from aluminium so it sould be fine. Bleaching it just fades it a bit and the green to grey and I want it lighter than that. I did find I had to stick very carefully to their instructions and when I tried speeding it up it didn't work so well. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11788 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:22:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83K1l9023560; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83K0ud005964; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83JXud005838 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:19:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from p964-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.202] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Krye-0005P2-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:19:32 +1300 Message-ID: <00dc01c29e68$a091c3d0$cac3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <001901c29e43$10f60030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:19:31 +1300 Status: RO > I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing dolls > made of paper clay. > Are there anyone here, who knows this? > Is it good to work with? I use Das which is the same concept, probably different properties though:) I make mixed media cats from it, the other media being cloth. I do prefer polymer clays though to make dolls. And I mix sculpey, FIMO and Du Kit to get a clay pliable enough but not too pliable for the sculpting and neither brittle nor soft when baked. Haven't made a doll in a while though. Maybe I'll go back to it at another date:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11810 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83R2l9023741; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83R0ud007615; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83QCud007458 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip168.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.168]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB83Q7Z19264 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating (was Tudor question) Message-ID: <3DF24978.23030.33818711@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <00d001c29d81$33b2e7e0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:18:16 -0800 Status: RO > I'm having a hard time imagining how this works. I usually have a hard > time trying to imagine what some technique looks like without a > picture attached ;-) Could you try explaining it again? Or do you have > pictures/sketches of this technique? This is one which is almost impossible to really explain. Pictures work the best but I don't have a website to show my diagrams. And some people actually have to have it demonstrated slowly in front of them. (I've taught this class *far* too many times and it always absolutely exhausts me.) I don't know of any good books which show all the techniques. The Costume Technician's Handbook has one of the techniques. I suspect that you could do a Google search online and find some pictures as well. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11816 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:28:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83RUl9023765; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83RUud007724; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83QEud007469 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip168.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.168]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB83Q9Z19267 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DF24978.8140.3381891E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> References: <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:18:16 -0800 Status: RO T > >Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one > >edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If > >you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want > > to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the > > pleat. > > Actually, if you want them to hang straight down, you sew them at the > *bottom* of the pleat. You're then left with the pleated section > jutting out like a little shelf, a look some people like but I can't > stand. You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as we may be saying the same thing! Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11918 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83p2l9024505; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83p1ud013208; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83o6ud012900 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:50:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB84DDaB006220 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:13:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB84DC6r006218 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:13:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> In-Reply-To: <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB83o6ud012900 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:13:12 -0500 Status: RO I have a couple of projects that I have been too busy to get to for at least 12 months now: A bliaut (in rust colored wool crepe) with a gold kirtle A 1840's ball gown, in pale blue satin with a bertha of ivory-colored Alencon lace (machine made but still quite nice). At the rate I'm going at work, though, I wouldn't bet on my chances of getting either done in 2003.... Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 22:52:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11927 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83q1l9024549; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83q0ud013394; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB83pvud013370 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:51:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB84F9aB006232; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB84F8Ov006230; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Theresa Eacker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <3DF2B7EE.1040101@misc.com> In-Reply-To: <3DF2B7EE.1040101@misc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212072315.08588.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB83pvud013370 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:08 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 07 December 2002 10:09 pm, Theresa Eacker wrote: > Oh, yeah, that'll do it for the pear=shaped species among us!!! > And *that* reminds me of the other fashion I look hideous in: the miniskirt! (especially the microminis and no-waisted stuff of the 1960's and early 1970s). My thighs are disproportionately large compared to the rest of me, and I look grotesque in anything with a hemline signficantly above the knee. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 23:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12021 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84E2l9025121; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84E1ud017993; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.138]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84DTud017839 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from valadan (c17417.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.162.24]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB84DNF06010 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:13:23 +1100 Message-ID: <009901c29e70$195dab10$18a231d2@valadan> From: "Baralier" To: References: <03345EFBE0450444B9E4E288E219D54011CD4A@mailexchange.dcls.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lurkers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:09:51 +1100 Status: RO > I joined in the early 90's, while I was working in Tennessee. After I moved back to PA in the late 90's, I had some problems keeping subscribed. I would subscribe and after a couple of weeks I would stop receiving digests. After a couple of months of that I let the whole thing lapse. I picked the list up again two years ago and haven't had any problems. > I had originally joined in the mid 90's but after a few years Real Life (tm) intervened and I no longer had time to sift through the amount of email this list can generate so I unsubscribed. However I was recently reminded of the lists existence and thought it might be time to come back and join in. Baralier -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 7 23:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12121 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:35:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84Y6l9025679; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84Y1ud022267; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB84Xgud022167 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from valadan (c17417.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.162.24]) by mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB84XQL28809 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:33:26 +1100 Message-ID: <013a01c29e72$e6b6df80$18a231d2@valadan> From: "Baralier" To: References: <200212062358.gB6Nw0o3012334@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:30:08 +1100 Status: RO > Sometimes I wonder if this list is really all about english/american/aussie/ > etc etc etc translation... it seems every month the topic erupts Yet Again > of "what do YOU call that?" and it's usually not even sewing or costume > related. I'd hazard a guess that in the process of researching costumes and the background information the goes with them there are a lot of things that people find that they don't understand. Sometimes it relates to the construction of the garment (as the current thread on Tudor pleating shows) other times it's more of a what is a such-and-such. > I've been on the list almost ten years now, and I am still regularly amazed > how much that pops up. that, more than any flaming that has ever happened, > is the only thing that's made me want to leave. I just kind of shake my > head and go "that again?" and delete the next 100 - 150 messages from the list. As I'm sure happens when the discussion involves the minutae of 17th century panniers if you have no interest in that area. Or the dyeing of fabrics... > But, it's a discussion list, and I guess that's what we like to discuss. Yup. > *ducking before she gets flamed* Nah. Baralier -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 00:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12203 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:08:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8576l9026591; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:07:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8570ud029255; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB856nud029190 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB859DYv012432 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:09:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF2D3D2.1010201@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Wonderful Site (wasRe: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question.) References: <200212062358.gB6Nw0o3012334@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <013a01c29e72$e6b6df80$18a231d2@valadan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:08:34 -0800 Status: RO To Baralier- I clicked on your URL at the bottom of your msg - what a _GREAT_ site. Your photograph with the bats in the leafless tree is fabulous!!! WOW!! Thanks for letting us know about the kewl things going on down your way!! Theresa Eacker Baralier wrote: >>Sometimes I wonder if this list is really all about >> > english/american/aussie/ > >>etc etc etc translation... it seems every month the topic erupts Yet >> > Again > >>of "what do YOU call that?" and it's usually not even sewing or >> > costume > >>related. >> > > I'd hazard a guess that in the process of researching costumes and the > background information the goes with them there are a lot of things > that people find that they don't understand. Sometimes it relates to > the construction of the garment (as the current thread on Tudor > pleating shows) other times it's more of a what is a such-and-such. > > >>I've been on the list almost ten years now, and I am still regularly >> > amazed > >>how much that pops up. that, more than any flaming that has ever >> > happened, > >>is the only thing that's made me want to leave. I just kind of >> > shake my > >>head and go "that again?" and delete the next 100 - 150 messages >> > from the list. > > As I'm sure happens when the discussion involves the minutae of 17th > century panniers if you have no interest in that area. Or the dyeing > of fabrics... > > >>But, it's a discussion list, and I guess that's what we like to >> > discuss. > > Yup. > > >>*ducking before she gets flamed* >> > > Nah. > > Baralier > -- > Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't > handle stress and caffeine. > http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder > Costumier & Reprobate > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 00:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12218 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85G1l9026796; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85G0ud001136; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85FZud001055 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB84xYD14632 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:59:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2D58B.964F50CC@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. References: <05e601c29da9$988a27a0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> <3DF20AF7.8CE407E9@in-tch.com> <018301c29e64$1a1b9a50$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:15:55 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Maral.... Sorry, but the ones I was thinking of, Nicole already beat me to them. So if you caught her post with the links, that's what I was thinking of, too. I guess great minds think alike, huh Nicole? Even if they're oh....7,000 miles apart? ) --sue Herself-the-Elf wrote: > > Ooh, that might be useful indeed. Wow, thanks for all the suggestions > everybody! ^_^ > > -- Maral > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. > > > Hi, Maral. I remember your question from the first time you posted, but > > didn't have anything that could help you, since I'm pretty ignorant of > > Moorish cultures. > > It occurs to me, though, that I've seen some stuff on Andalusian Spain, > > which had a good mix of Christian and Muslim cultural influences. I > > could dig that up, if you like? > > --Sue "not a lurker" Clemenger....;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 00:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12241 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85S2l9027086; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85S1ud003738; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB85Rsud003679 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:27:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB85BrD18211 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:11:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF2D86E.F5F382C5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question References: <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3DF24978.8140.3381891E@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:28:14 -0700 Status: RO Hmmmm....the way I'm understanding T's explanation, it sounds like T's using "top" to mean the pleats on the outer edge of the skirt, and "bottom" to mean the pleats on the inner edge of the skirt. So, "sewn from the top" pleats would mean that the little ledge produced by the cartridge pleats would be towards the inside, hence not visible..... | | | XX X X (the dashes being the bodice, and the X's the skirt, with the outside of the garment to the left). And "sewing from the bottom" would put the little shelf to the outside of the garment, like this: | | | | XX X X Of course, sewing both "top" and "bottom" would give you: | | | | XX| X X This last tends to make the whole skirt stand out from the body a little. I think it looks the neatest, but it *is* more work, and may not give exactly the look you're after. Sorry for the bad ASCII art.... --Sue's 2 euro-worth on a foggy Saturday night, when she *should* be in the living room, sewing....;-P kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > T > > >Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one > > >edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If > > >you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want > > > to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the > > > pleat. > > > > Actually, if you want them to hang straight down, you sew them at the > > *bottom* of the pleat. You're then left with the pleated section > > jutting out like a little shelf, a look some people like but I can't > > stand. > > You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as > we may be saying the same thing! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12366 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86F5l9028332; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86F2ud012965; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86EHud012832 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86BcEp004608; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:11:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207221543.00dc7c90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me In-Reply-To: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:15:43 -0800 Status: RO >Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire >ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or >indeed others? > Unfortunately for me, considering my specialty, I look hideous in an Elizabethan closed ruff. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12375 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86I1l9028445; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86I1ud013648; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86Hdud013562 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86GbEp005892; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:16:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207222043.00d9c140@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person In-Reply-To: <002101c29e31$47c564a0$b65722d9@dan> References: <000701c29e16$37641450$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00e201c29e21$c4aa4e00$b65722d9@dan> <001701c29e2a$6b6b3bc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:20:43 -0800 Status: RO >It's a good word; I commend to you also 'statuesque' and, in the case >of a short large lady, 'pocket Venus'. > I personally like to use the term "Sumptuous". Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12389 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:22:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86M1l9028566; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86M0ud014602; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86Lfud014555 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86LLEp006828; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:21:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207222526.00da2c80@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay In-Reply-To: <001901c29e43$10f60030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:25:26 -0800 Status: RO At 11:50 PM 12/07/2002 +0100, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Hello. >I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing dolls >made of paper clay. >Are there anyone here, who knows this? >Is it good to work with? > >Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to >do.............. > Bad news, Bjarne, you've got another hobby on the way! I've made a few dolls with paper clay and I found it really easy to work with. It's basically a very fine grained paper maiche. By wetting it or letting it get mostly dry, you can work with it in any state from almost liquid to leather like. It air drys and after it's dry you can carve and sand it for even more detail. Have fun! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12429 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86X3l9028761; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86X1ud016689; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86WMud016580 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:32:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86W4Ep008640; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:32:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <3DF24978.8140.3381891E@localhost> References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:36:10 -0800 Status: RO At 07:18 PM 12/07/2002 -0800, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: >T >> >Also, many people think that cartridge pleats are only sewn on one >> >edge (the top.) It really depends on the look one is going for. If >> >you want them to hang down, you sew them only at the top. If you want >> > to them to stand out some, you sew them at the top and bottom of the >> > pleat. >> >> Actually, if you want them to hang straight down, you sew them at the >> *bottom* of the pleat. You're then left with the pleated section >> jutting out like a little shelf, a look some people like but I can't >> stand. > >You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as >we may be saying the same thing! > Oh, me too! I can't wait for email sketchpads! When I'm talking about the shelf effect, I don't mean the spring out from the waist you get when you sew both the top and bottom of the pleats to the waistband. That's lovely, and can give the same effect of a bumroll without having to wear one, if the pleats are stiff enough. I jsut don't have enough room in my waist area for it to work for me. What I'm talking about being ugly is when just the bottoms of the pleats are sewn to the edge of the waisband or yolk or whatever, and the folded edge of the pleated section sticks out, bleah. You don't see it much, thank goodness. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:40:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12458 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:40:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86d2l9028945; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86d1ud017711; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86cEud017539 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86bNEp009512; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:37:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207224129.00da89d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination In-Reply-To: <3DF13717.4050607@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:41:29 -0800 Status: RO I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most peculiar thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of stores that sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the window that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? Can anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm baffled. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 01:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12463 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86dAl9028958; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86d9ud017748; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB86cFud017551 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp245.directcon.net [206.170.184.245] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB86bNEp009512; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:37:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021207224129.00da89d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination In-Reply-To: <3DF13717.4050607@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:41:29 -0800 Status: RO I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most peculiar thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of stores that sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the window that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? Can anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm baffled. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 03:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12900 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB88T7l9001887; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB88T0ud008174; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB88SOud008080 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021208082823.QFHQ2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:28:23 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <3DF302A5.3273.3608C2E1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DF2ABA5.31B612E@lavoltapress.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:28:21 -0000 Status: RO On 7 Dec 2002 at 18:17, Lavolta Press wrote: > Actually, that quote below is from someone else's message. I didn't > write it. Whoops, sorry. It's been one of those weeks :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 04:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13299 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:08:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8972l9002491; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8970ud014477; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB896Zud014426 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB9BC6F1026C; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:06:35 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB9C29801D2; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:06:36 -0600 Message-ID: <00f601c29e99$21750fe0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> <00b301c29dc4$8f541b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001f01c29df7$54d4a460$705183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C29E6F.37EF8E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:06:43 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C29E6F.37EF8E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen, I have just started on the bios. I appreciate you volunteering. I have to locate my list again... it is in this office somewhere. Some of the designers I can find plenty of illustrations but have never seen written word about them other than the illustration caption. When you get started in January write me and I will have located the list by then. One of the reasons for this project is that most people know who the big designers for certain periods are, but forget who the less known designers were. These little designers also made an important contribution to the industry. I just find it so sad that these designers were in international publications every month. Over the years, time forgets them. One real puzzle to me is I have a lot of renderings of designs by Madeleine. I suspect this is Vionnet in her early years, but I have not found documentation that her house was named this from 1920-1925. And I have not found text documentation of a fashion house of Madeleine. I have a 1922 NYC reproduction designer client book with 33 large plates of Parisian designs. There are some of Madaleine's designs. So I know she must have been an important designer. BTW, this book is wonderful!!!! Each plate is a single heavy cardboard-like material. I couldn't believe I found this. If you like Erte, you might want to see if you can find this book on eBay, Art Deco Fashion by Martin Battersby. Somehow I got a signed copy. There are wonderful plates in it from 1908 through the 20s. Some of the plates are from Bon Ton Ton, an art publication. I searched for these plates on eBay and the lowest price I found was $75. Out of my price range for fashion plates. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C29E6F.37EF8E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kathleen,
 
I have just started on the bios.  I appreciate you = volunteering. =20 I have to locate my list again... it is in this office somewhere.  = Some of=20 the designers I can find plenty of illustrations but have never seen = written=20 word about them other than the illustration caption.  When you get = started=20 in January write me and I will have located the list by then.
 
One of the reasons for this project is that most people know who = the big=20 designers for certain periods are, but forget who the less = known designers=20 were.  These little designers also made an important contribution = to the=20 industry.  I just find it so sad that these designers were in = international=20 publications every month.  Over the years, time forgets them.  =
 
One real puzzle to me is I have a lot of renderings of designs by=20 Madeleine.  I suspect this is Vionnet in her early years, but I = have not=20 found documentation that her house was named this from 1920-1925.  = And I=20 have not found text documentation of a fashion house of Madeleine.  = I have=20 a 1922 NYC  reproduction designer client book with 33 large = plates of=20 Parisian designs.  There are some of Madaleine's designs.  So = I know=20 she must have been an important designer.  BTW, this book is=20 wonderful!!!! Each plate is a single heavy cardboard-like=20 material.  I couldn't believe I found this.
 
If you like Erte, you might want to see if you can find this book = on eBay,=20 Art Deco Fashion by Martin Battersby.  Somehow I got a signed = copy. =20 There are wonderful plates in it from 1908 through the 20s.  Some = of the=20 plates are from Bon Ton Ton, an art publication.  I searched for = these=20 plates on eBay and the lowest price I found was $75.  Out of my = price range=20 for fashion plates.
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
http://www.onlinecostumeball.co= m
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C29E6F.37EF8E00-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 04:17:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13326 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89H1l9002654; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89H0ud016071; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89GEud015974 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ADDDCBA6026C; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:16:13 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ADDE1267010C; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:16:14 -0600 Message-ID: <010401c29e9a$7a282a40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> <002f01c29e3b$1d9f3f70$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0100_01C29E70.90ED6D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:16:22 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C29E70.90ED6D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angela, I am so bad with names of present day designers. I keep seeing shows on Style TV with these two guys who are designing bridal gowns that are vintage inspired. The beadwork is outstanding!!!! Of present day designers, I really like Valentino for women and Armini for men! You can't beat a man in an Armini suit!!!!! Droll!!! Well, actually I have been following these two designers for a few decades. I also like Bill Blass and Ralph Lauren for menswear... so classy! Can you tell I sold menswear for years? My husband and I spend too much time watching Style TV. We can watch the runway shows for hours. We both love to critique the collections. One day I am going to make it to that NY University Symposium with the top designers! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C29E70.90ED6D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Angela,
 
I am so bad with names of present day designers.  I keep = seeing=20 shows on Style TV with these two guys who are designing bridal gowns = that are=20 vintage inspired.  The beadwork is outstanding!!!!
 
Of present day designers, I really like Valentino for women and = Armini for=20 men!  You can't beat a man in an Armini suit!!!!! = Droll!!! Well,=20 actually I have been following these two designers for a few = decades. =20 I also like Bill Blass and Ralph Lauren for menswear... so classy!  = Can you=20 tell I sold menswear for years?  My husband and I spend too much = time=20 watching Style TV.  We can watch the runway shows for hours.  = We both=20 love to critique the collections.  One day I am going to make it to = that NY=20 University Symposium with the top designers!
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
http://www.onlinecostumeball.co= m
 
------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C29E70.90ED6D00-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 04:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13330 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:18:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89I1l9002692; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89I0ud016277; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB89HMud016149 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from p628-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.120] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18KxYu-0005yG-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:17:21 +1300 Message-ID: <000f01c29e9a$9bcb7670$78c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021207224129.00da89d0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:17:18 +1300 Status: RO > I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most peculiar > thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of stores that > sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the window > that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? Can > anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm baffled. Not sure but I do know when I went saree shopping a lot of fabrics were woven in Japan. That could possibly be something to do with it? Particularly fine silk and the prints were very ... blossomy I suppose, little round petals and quite different to the patterns I've got in my collection of second hand ones. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 07:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14360 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:10:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8C96l9006392; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8C91ud013024; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8C8Dud012863 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:08:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208120813.970.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:08:13 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] De-lurking...with a medieval question. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF2D58B.964F50CC@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:08:13 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hi, Maral.... > I guess great minds think alike, huh Nicole? Even if they're oh....7,000 > miles apart? ) *grins* oh yes! But they also say 'fools seldom differ'. *winks* *hugs Sue aaaaaaaaall over the pond and landmass* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 07:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14439 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:39:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Cd7l9006947; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Cd1ud018361; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Ccuud018343 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208123856.46203.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:38:56 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Baralier's web site, was Re: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <013a01c29e72$e6b6df80$18a231d2@valadan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Baralier wrote: > > > As I'm sure happens when the discussion involves the minutae of 17th > century panniers if you have no interest in that area. Or the dyeing > of fabrics... *winks* 18th century, 18th... Anyway, I have been spending some time looking through your web site, when taht was suggested (hadn't seen your link in the first place) and I am enjoying myself immensely. GREAT photos of SUPER costumes! May I plug your site? http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder/ It did crash my Netscape 7 and Internet Explorer, but works fine on Netscape 4.7. Go figure *G* Nicole - who was a Goth herself once upon a time from 17 onwards but kinda stopped at 20 coz of realising that she loved the colours and clothes, but was bored by the philosophy behind it. Whoops. :-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 08:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14531 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:14:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8DD4l9007803; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8DD1ud024429; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8DCcud024350 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-13-147.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.13.147] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18L1Eb-00042P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c29ebc$078b38c0$930d23d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> <004601c29e3f$51e537e0$b65722d9@dan> <3DF282B2.D11E664C@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:16:33 -0000 Status: RO Fran wrote, in response to my note:: > > I don't think you have to apologise either. People lurking on this > > list don't want to be told that a nice little polycotton mix will > > perfectly reproduce the handkerchief linen chemise they would like to > > have; they know perfectly well that it won't. Or at least they will > > know within 30 seconds of putting it on; there's a very large > > distinction between 'lurking' and 'stupid'. They want to learn. You > > can only learn by working at it, and sometimes that's hard. But > > putting vast amounts of time, energy and money into an ensemble which > > looks dreadful is a lot harder. > But not everyone considers a poly-cotton chemise to be a waste of time > and money. I didn't say that they did. >It suits some people perfectly well--not because they're > ignorant, but because it fulfils their goals. Again, I didn't suggest that they were ignorant. >Whether it fulfils the > goals of some other person who is not wearing it and does not officially > set goals for some organization they both belong to, is entirely beside > the point. Since I didn't suggest that it was to the point I'm puzzled as to why you are addressing this to me. > Others would like to have the 100% linen but can't afford it. They don't > want to be told they are ignorant, that they "ought to" afford linen, > etc. Again, I didn't suggest any of those things. > If someone's outfit fulfils the goals _officially_ set by their > organization or employer, and it fulfils their own goals in terms of > what they want to wear, what they can afford, what they are able to make, > etc.--it is never a waste of time and money. Again, I didn't suggest this not to be the case. >There is no reason to throw > something out just because of freelance criticism, on the net or > elsewhere. I entirely agree, not least because I don't have the sort of income which allows me to throw things out willy-nilly. But even if I did have the money, I would regard doing so as symbolic of a culture which trashes our planet and all the species we co-exist with here, and I don't want to be like that. > My point is that everyone, when posting, should consider that h-costume > has members with many different costuming goals. Others may not have the > same goals you do, but their goals are still valid for them. > Indeed so. I would suggest to you, however, that if you write lengthy posts setting up strawman targets which you then demolish, then you run the risk of people concluding that you don't have any real arguments. Or wondering what your goals are. Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 09:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14840 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:21:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EK3l9010081; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EK1ud016920; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EJDud016766 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:19:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L2H3-00044O-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:19:13 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay Message-ID: <000f01c29ec4$d336ae70$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021207222526.00da2c80@pop.directcon.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:19:31 -0700 Status: RO Oh Bjarne you are in trouble!! You simply must ask for these books for Christmas from your honey. I do soft sculpture too, though I haven't done a lot in paper clay-it is lovely stuff. I have done sculpting in regular clay too, it just does not compare to the paper clay. If you decide to get into it, look for the paper clay La Doll. Oh I am so excited to have someone else (especially you!) interested!! Anatomy of a Doll: The Fabric Sculptor's Handbook -- by Susanna Oroyan, et al; Paperback Buy new: $18.87 -- Used & new from: $14.85 2. Fantastic Figures: Ideas & Techniques Using the New Clays -- by Susanna Oroyan; Paperback Buy new: $16.07 -- Used & new from: $12.74 3. Finishing the Figure: Doll Costuming, Embellishments, Accessories -- by Susanna Oroyan; Paperback Buy new: $20.97 -- Used & new from: $18.98 Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Margo Anderson >Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:25 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > >At 11:50 PM 12/07/2002 +0100, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >>Hello. >>I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing dolls >>made of paper clay. >>Are there anyone here, who knows this? >>Is it good to work with? >> >>Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to >>do.............. >> > >Bad news, Bjarne, you've got another hobby on the way! I've made a few >dolls with paper clay and I found it really easy to work with. It's >basically a very fine grained paper maiche. By wetting it or letting it >get mostly dry, you can work with it in any state from almost liquid to >leather like. It air drys and after it's dry you can carve and sand it for >even more detail. > >Have fun! > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at >margospatterns.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 09:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14847 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EN1l9010178; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EN0ud017662; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EMDud017536 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:22:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L2Jw-0006Ki-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:22:12 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: Exchanging files etc-wasRE: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <001001c29ec5$3e2f5330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3DF24978.8140.3381891E@localhost> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:22:30 -0700 Status: RO >You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as >we may be saying the same thing! I was just thinking the same thing. I guess there is nothing that prevents us from starting an H-Cost group on Yahoo or some other host just to take advantage of the file exchange stuff. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 09:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14892 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Eepl9010746; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:40:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Eeoud020968; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:40:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8EbLud020243 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L2Ya-000487-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:37:21 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] next years projekts. Message-ID: <000001c29ec7$5ba00750$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:37:38 -0700 Status: RO Finish the linen outfit with the shoulder rolls-gosh all I have left is the trim and hem on the outer skirt! But all the fun stuff is done-I am bored with it now. Do more research on some off-beat country and period that no one else is doing. Loose gown and coat-Elizabethan. Figure out how to make those funky Swiss Headdresses, Oh and the big 'round' German Headdresses too. Lose 20 pounds so I can wear my costumes comfortably! Write up instructions on organ pipe pleats and cartridge pleats and post it somewhere so we can quit talking about it!!! :) What a great topic. We should check back next year and see how well we do :) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 11:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19205 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:02:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8G13l9014946; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8G11ud010790; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8G09ud010579 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:00:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208160009.69267.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:00:09 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO I LOVED reading everyone's projects, now here goes, my far too optimistic list, and I'm the world's slowest sewer. ;-) In no prticular order other than what comes to mind: - second gentleman's fine linen and lace shirt for Ben, bought 20 meters of different qualities of linen at the market. - new scarlet silk and silver tassel fringe Officer's sash for Ben, have the silk, have the silver fringe, was too bored to make it yet. - dark blue worsted wool lined with scarlet wool 1660s Officer's coat for Ben, with silver lacing. All the material is already at home. - worsted circular cloak for the 1660s and 70s, not sure about colour yet. (now that I have him out of the way) - lower class 1700 dark green wool bodice. I got the leather stays to go underneath at the re-enactor's market last month. - diverse linen coifs for different decades and levels of society. Toiles are cut out already. - dark red silk split petticoat, to go with the dark red 1660s bodice that Bjarne made me, to be worn over an ivory silk petticoat, thus I already have the fabric, it will be lined with the ivory silk from below. - new ivory silk and gold laced petticoat because the stupid thing got totally ruined at a re-enactment this year. ARGH! Mud is NOT good.... must get new silk from Whaley's and use this one as lining. (now ontowards fantasy costumes) - the Queen of Shadows black Elizabethan dress from Margo's patterns. - the Eowyn white Pre-raphaelite dress, arms and armour either borrowed from ben or Colin or made for me as prezzies from Ben. - the Knight of Shadows/guard of the Queen Byzantine style tunics/cloak for Ben to go with my Queen. (last but not least some mundane clothing) - Folkwear poet's shirt, already cut out of a lovely ribbed glazed cotton. - machine blackwork embroidered ivory glazed cotton shirt, already cut out, partly assembled and mostly embroidered. - kind-of-1700 coat/waistcoat, totally inauthentic because of being assembled from different decades, pattern by Sarah Thursfield custom pattern maker, made out of the remains of the black and silver brocade my mantua is made of, lined with scarlet silk, as my wedding outfit for my best friend's wedding! and most important of the whole lot: - white linen and fine lace baby bonnet, inspired by 18th century ones, for my godchild-to-be for (her, oh yes, it appears to be a 'her', a little Elizabeth! so the last scan said, yippieh!) the christening. - baby blanket in purple or dark red soft fleece with golden stars. - soft baby toys, Saragrace sent me some great links. To sum it all up: I will NEVER finish all of the above, but a girl can dream and have plans :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 11:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19209 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8G23l9015032; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8G22ud011046; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8G1dud010948 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:01:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22677 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 16:01:39 -0000 Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.27) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 16:01:39 -0000 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.42.67]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:01:37 -0600 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_043E_01C29EA9.2B6FE410" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Sharing images/sketches Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:01:31 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_043E_01C29EA9.2B6FE410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've read the recent laments re: lack of image transfer on h-costume, and I have a few ideas: 1) Doesn't H-costume have a website? If so, could images be submitted for posting here, and a link provided to them? 2) Yahoo (yes, I know - lousy privacy issues - but bear with me) - you can start a Group or Photo Album for the express purpose of posting/sharing sketches and photos. Yahoo provides a lot of free disc space and if compressed well images do not take up much space so they could be left indefinitely. Thoughts? Allison ------=_NextPart_000_043E_01C29EA9.2B6FE410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sharing images/sketches

I've read the recent laments re: lack of image = transfer on h-costume, and I have a few ideas:

1) Doesn't H-costume have a website? If so, could = images be submitted for posting here, and a link provided to = them?

2) Yahoo (yes, I know - lousy privacy issues - but = bear with me) - you can start a Group or Photo Album for the express = purpose of posting/sharing sketches and photos. Yahoo provides a lot of = free disc space and if compressed well images do not take up much space = so they could be left indefinitely.

Thoughts?

Allison

------=_NextPart_000_043E_01C29EA9.2B6FE410-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 11:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19248 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:18:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8GI1l9015831; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8GI0ud015025; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8GHCud014824 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:17:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip17.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.17]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB8GH6Z13197 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:17:06 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Exchanging files etc-wasRE: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <3DF2FE26.14282.36436BBE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001001c29ec5$3e2f5330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> References: <3DF24978.8140.3381891E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:09:10 -0800 Status: RO > >You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as > >we may be saying the same thing! > > I was just thinking the same thing. I guess there is nothing that > prevents us from starting an H-Cost group on Yahoo or some other host > just to take advantage of the file exchange stuff. Nothing except for people like me who can't do their on-line stuff. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19457 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:04:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H45l9018096; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H41ud025943; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8H3iud025853 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIublG+EuMVfIytjKzky7+zaBw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKH8PE9C; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:03:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021208.120230.-152767.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,14-15,19-21 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:59:15 -0500 Status: RO <<>> Ok, from someone who would love to be totally authentic but finances get in the way. I have owned some really good handkerchief linen in my past and quite honestly, cotton batiste is a decent substitute. Poly cotton batiste will look just as good, but it sure won't feel it. Linen is wonderful next to the skin. It is cool and it breathes and it wicks the sweat away. Cotton is fairly cool and it breathes and it holds the dampness like a sponge. Poly cotton is warm when you put it on, breathes little and will be sticky and uncomfortable in short order in hot weather. From the viewpoint of an observer they will all pass the ten foot test, but from the viewpoint of the wearer they are very, very different. By the way, the chemise I just made is cotton because I can't even find decent handkerchief linen and couldn't afford it if I could. I am talking about really nice tight weave sheer handkerchief linen, not the coarse, loose weave stuff they call handkerchief linen most places. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19478 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H5Al9018127; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H55ud026190; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8H3iud025854 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIublG+EuMVfIyuYla2IMEcEEA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKH8PE9E; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:03:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. Message-ID: <20021208.120230.-152767.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:02:29 -0500 Status: RO My pink polished cotton Tudor is almost done. I have the silk dupioni, velvet, silk satin, and metallic gold lace to do it right. Next year I will be working on the Queen Mary gown in proper fabrics!!!! Yea Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19489 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H7Ml9018347; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H76ud026819; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.kc.rr.com (fe7.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.162.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8H4Iud025991 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis ([65.26.140.179]) by mail7.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:52:14 -0600 From: "Talia" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021207224129.00da89d0@pop.directcon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:01:02 -0600 Status: RO Could be a cross-language boo-boo. Perhaps it was meant to say something like "Japanese (clothing), Saris, and Custom Tailoring"? T. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:41 AM To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most peculiar thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of stores that sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the window that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? Can anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm baffled. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19570 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8HO2l9018970; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8HO1ud000934; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8HNZud000815 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:23:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26190 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 17:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.228) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 17:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF37FF9.D8C150B1@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:23:05 -0500 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > > When I'm talking about the shelf effect, I don't mean the spring out from > the waist you get when you sew both the top and bottom of the pleats to the > waistband. That's lovely, and can give the same effect of a bumroll > without having to wear one, if the pleats are stiff enough. I jsut don't > have enough room in my waist area for it to work for me. What I'm talking > about being ugly is when just the bottoms of the pleats are sewn to the > edge of the waisband or yolk or whatever, and the folded edge of the > pleated section sticks out, bleah. You don't see it much, thank goodness. > In a panic here. Can you or did you see that on mine on your site? It would be easy to redo if I have that on my two gowns. I learn more and more each day. If you can see that on my skirts show me please. Diana C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19625 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:32:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8HW3l9019279; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8HW1ud002676; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8HVPud002510 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a259.in-tch.com [66.62.107.59]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB8HFMD14874 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:15:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF38203.DCB6684D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> <3DF37FF9.D8C150B1@inetone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:31:47 -0700 Status: RO Hey, Dhannti....what's the addy for your website? --sue Dhannti wrote: > > Margo Anderson wrote: > > > > > When I'm talking about the shelf effect, I don't mean the spring out from > > the waist you get when you sew both the top and bottom of the pleats to the > > waistband. That's lovely, and can give the same effect of a bumroll > > without having to wear one, if the pleats are stiff enough. I jsut don't > > have enough room in my waist area for it to work for me. What I'm talking > > about being ugly is when just the bottoms of the pleats are sewn to the > > edge of the waisband or yolk or whatever, and the folded edge of the > > pleated section sticks out, bleah. You don't see it much, thank goodness. > > > > In a panic here. Can you or did you see that on mine on your site? It > would be easy to redo if I have that on my two gowns. I learn more and > more each day. If you can see that on my skirts show me please. > > Diana C. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19671 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hd3l9019976; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hd0rL004264; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Hc9ud004007 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:38:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIub1nOY5GB7ZAhIAfy77E3R4A=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJAMEKA; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:37:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021208.123534.-152767.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_332c.6ae9.1544 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-10,11-32767 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:35:34 -0500 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. 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----__JNP_000_332c.6ae9.1544-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:40:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19680 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:40:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hb2l9019736; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hb0ud003712; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Ha8ud003517 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIubwPOHAKhBqcryNsODb4b7YQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJAHMGB; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:35:21 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person Message-ID: <20021208.123325.-152767.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:24:26 -0500 Status: RO <<>> OOOh Margo, I like your term better than mine. I just call myself an old fat lady. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19698 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hf1l9020137; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hf1rL004698; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8He8rL004520 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-218.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.218]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A2F7C2B for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:40:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DF383F0.9060700@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. References: <20021208160009.69267.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010708040904000203060202" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:40:00 +0100 Status: RO --------------010708040904000203060202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My next years projects This is wat I want to do before March Make some stuf to sell at medieval market. Childrens clothing, ragdolls and some other things... These three I want finished before June. Make the left sleeve for my 16th century (wedding) dress. I hope I soon wil finish my right sleeve. :-( I am bored with the embroidery pattern. Finishing A parlet for the same dress. Finish my loosegown. And other stuff Get a lot further, maby even finish my embroidered forpart. A 16th century dress like my weddingdress but different sleeves from Green/gold and pink silk. I plan to sell it on eBay, if I can part with it ;-) (It will be in my size). Make pin on sleeves for my 15th century lowerclass gown. (Green gown and the sleeves will be dark blue) Make a 18th or 19th century gown. At least a dress from afther the 16th century. (Firsth buy Patterns of Fashion 1 and 2 :-) ) Have to find out how to put all the tings I want on my website without going over my limit. This will be hard because I almost reached it... I think I have to take out the wedding gallery :-( . Make two gembersons from linnen stuffed with wool. Make 16th century stockings...? Make a Italian renaissance Barbie fearie :-) . I am wondering If people look back on the end of next year and read what they planned to do, how much of their projects will be finished? (I need a course in how to wright english....) Greetings, Deredere http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ --------------010708040904000203060202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My next years projects

This is wat I want to do before March

Make some stuf to sell at medieval market.
Childrens clothing,  ragdolls and some other things...


These three I want finished before June.

Make the left sleeve for my 16th century (wedding) dress.
I hope I soon wil finish my right sleeve. :-(
I am bored with the embroidery pattern.

Finishing A parlet for the same dress.

Finish my loosegown.


And other stuff

Get a lot further, maby even finish my embroidered forpart.
 
A 16th century dress like my weddingdress but different sleeves from Green/gold and pink silk.
I plan to sell it on eBay, if I can part with it ;-) (It will be in my size).

Make pin on sleeves for my 15th century lowerclass gown. (Green gown and the sleeves will be dark blue)

Make a 18th or 19th century gown. At least a dress from afther the 16th century. (Firsth buy Patterns of Fashion 1 and 2 :-) )

Have to find out how to put all the tings I want on my website without going over my limit. This will be hard because I almost reached it...
I think I have to take out the wedding gallery :-( .

Make two gembersons from linnen stuffed with wool.

Make 16th century stockings...?

Make a Italian renaissance Barbie fearie :-) .


I am wondering If people look back on the end of next year and read what they planned to do, how much of their projects will be finished?
(I need a course in how to wright english....)

Greetings,
        Deredere
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/



--------------010708040904000203060202-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 12:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19718 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hl1l9020468; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hl0rL006154; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Hk9rL005974 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp195.directcon.net [206.170.184.195]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB8HjvEp030277; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:45:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021208095004.01026ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <3DF37FF9.D8C150B1@inetone.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:50:04 -0800 Status: RO At 12:23 PM 12/08/2002 -0500, Dhannti wrote: >In a panic here. Can you or did you see that on mine on your site? It >would be easy to redo if I have that on my two gowns. I learn more and >more each day. If you can see that on my skirts show me please. > First off, if you did do it that way, I can't see it because your bodices both have skirtings that cover the pleats. Secondly, "ugly" is my own opinion, not a fact. If you did it that way, you like it, it works for you, and no one can tell anyway, it ain't broke, and you don't need to fix it. Don't take what I say here quite so rigorously; I'm just the lady who makes the patterns some of you find helpful. It's not like I'm Moses or Janet Arnold! Come to think of it, I have quibbles with things both of them said... Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 13:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19789 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8I03l9021049; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8I01rL008917; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8HxSrL008774 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIubEuciOtXruGDhLVG8Umj8ew=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJBUM8L; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:58:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Message-ID: <20021208.125708.-152767.6.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,10-11,13-15 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:57:07 -0500 Status: RO <<>> But you are alive and able to answer questions and I consider you just as much an authority on Elizabethan as Janet Arnold. Don't know what I would do without your pattern. Now, please make one for the Tudors (a bit earlier and not quite so gaudy) so I won't have to modify the Elizabethan. Don't know about the Moses part, but I suspect you would come out pretty well in a debate there too. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 13:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19989 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ik2l9023696; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ik0rL019276; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8IjWrL019161 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18L6Ql-000MoP-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:45:31 +0000 Message-ID: <30d$NaC+L589IwBl@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:44:14 +0000 Status: RO I've generally found that Dylon dye-stripper won't take out much except Dylon dye. It works to strip and re-dye something you home-dyed in the first place, but it doesn't usually work on something you bought coloured. I suppose it's probably not vicious enough to take out the kind of evil industrial chemicals they can use to dye in the manufacturing process. Jean Melanie Wilson wrote >>Nope, I tried it and didn't work. Ecover bleach was actually better than >the >Dylon stuff. Perhaps the Dharma trading one would work on the cotton lace >that >I have. > > >I believe Dylon takes dye away rather than bleaches, if the cotton is ecru >(I missed the rest of the thread ) you will need a bleach, Hydrogen peroxide >is better than UK floor bleach > >Mel >This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received >it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose >the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of >this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the >Company, unless specifically stated. > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 13:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20012 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:52:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Iq1l9024141; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Iq1rL021129; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8IpZrL021003 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18L6Wc-000N5w-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: <101$N4DeR589IwAC@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> In-Reply-To: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:50:06 +0000 Status: RO Linda Walton wrote >Hello Everyone ! > >Since there seems to be a mood of helpfulness abroad, and not many questions >being asked to use it up, I've nerved myself to ask about the subject that's >been worrying me lately. I know it's not the sort of historic costume that >this group usually finds itself discussing, but someone may know about it. >Web searches have produced only fairly thin information so far, and the >books I have available are very vague indeed. > >Please, how do I dress as a fairly wealthy Roman lady of the time of Cicero >? > >It is for a party with my Latin class on 17th December, so I would like it >to be as authentic as I can manage, and - especially - I would like to be >able to answer questions about it. So where my clothing isn't very >accurate, I would like to be able to explain about it. > >Here are some specific areas that I am wondering about:- >1. What about underwear ? I want to get the general shape right, and have >heard that Roman ladies wore - among other things - corsets, but don't know >when, or what sort. (This particularly concerns me because I must wear a >bra, due to mastectomy/prosthesis requirements, and I'm fairly plump, too.) >2. How should I decorate the fabric ? I've heard of gold thread in finds: >would that be couched embroidery ? I've got some good linen waiting to be >used, but could only add simple embroidery in the time available - what >patterns would be appropriate ? What about coloured wools ? (If the only >answer is woven gold threads, or complicated sewing, then I'd better go down >the social scale a bit !) >3. What about hairstyles and jewellery ? I've got long straight hair, and >couldn't go in for a great bush of little curls: could I get away with >putting it up in a bun like the Greek ladies. I know I won't need a veil, >(thank goodness), but should I have some other sort of head-dress ? For a respectable, upper-class lady you definitely need a shawl/stole/thingy. Like the ones that are fashionable at the moment with sleeveless wedding dresses, a large, long rectangle of something quite thin, that you would put over your head outside and wear around shoulders or just across your back and caught over your arms indoors. If you don't have time to find additional fabric, try Accessorise - I wish I had an excuse to get one of their fabulous gold-embroidered organza wraps! Jean >Were >necklaces very common ? I do have some rings, brooches and a bracelet that >are copies of finds, would they be enough ? > >Finally, I would like to thank everyone for the immense pleasure I have had >over the years from reading your replies to even the most abstruse of >costuming questions, whether historical research or theatrical >practicalities, > >yours sincerely, >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 13:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20023 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ir1l9024236; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ir1rL021400; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8IqFrL021203 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18L6XG-000N7V-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:52:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt References: <20021207.082935.-211469.1.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20021207.082935.-211469.1.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Status: RO No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet that close together. Cynthia J Ley wrote >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery hoops >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another alternative? >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand owing >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > >Thank you for your help. > >Arlys in Oregon > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20080 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JD3l9025358; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JD0rL027043; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JBxrL026758 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f4b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.75]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E178A2631B3 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:11:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c29eee$37acc5f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000f01c29ec4$d336ae70$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:15:48 +0100 Status: RO Hi Saragrace. Yes i am in troubble, and you sertanly help me a lot! Are there any suppliers of it who send to Europe. Suppliers of paper clay? Because i have not seen it anywhere here in Denmark. But i have not looked for it. Perhaps they do have it if i ask about it. This would be a very nice way to use my lace. on the dolls! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > Oh Bjarne you are in trouble!! You simply must ask for these books for > Christmas from your honey. I do soft sculpture too, though I haven't > done a lot in paper clay-it is lovely stuff. I have done sculpting in > regular clay too, it just does not compare to the paper clay. If you > decide to get into it, look for the paper clay La Doll. > > Oh I am so excited to have someone else (especially you!) interested!! > > Anatomy of a Doll: The Fabric Sculptor's Handbook -- by Susanna Oroyan, > et al; Paperback > Buy new: $18.87 -- Used & new from: $14.85 > 2. Fantastic Figures: Ideas & Techniques Using the New Clays -- by > Susanna Oroyan; Paperback > Buy new: $16.07 -- Used & new from: $12.74 > 3. Finishing the Figure: Doll Costuming, Embellishments, Accessories > -- by Susanna Oroyan; Paperback > Buy new: $20.97 -- Used & new from: $18.98 > > Sg > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On > >Behalf Of Margo Anderson > >Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:25 PM > >To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > > > >At 11:50 PM 12/07/2002 +0100, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >>Hello. > >>I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing > dolls > >>made of paper clay. > >>Are there anyone here, who knows this? > >>Is it good to work with? > >> > >>Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to > >>do.............. > >> > > > >Bad news, Bjarne, you've got another hobby on the way! I've made a few > >dolls with paper clay and I found it really easy to work with. It's > >basically a very fine grained paper maiche. By wetting it or letting > it > >get mostly dry, you can work with it in any state from almost liquid to > >leather like. It air drys and after it's dry you can carve and sand it > for > >even more detail. > > > >Have fun! > > > >Margo > >"One Tough Costumer" > > > > > >See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > >margospatterns.com > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20212 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:43:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Jg3l9026702; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Jg1rL004253; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Jf8rL004046 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip185.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.185]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB8Jf015028623 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021207084150.01f7fad8@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <005c01c29cef$8297d2e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> <20021205170842.F2601@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:01:20 -0500 Status: RO At 01:20 AM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I am surprised on how the membership has dropped. Years ago there were >about 800 members. I guess with all various costume lists people went into >their our specialty. > >Penny Ladnier Most likely. Though I do think that's a shame, in some ways. I find that when a list is focused on just one period, the discussions aren't as rich... For instance, on the 18thcWoman list (on yahoo), many of the members are so very focused on the late 18th c. (American Revolution) that they haven't got a clue about what was happening earlier, as though history as a whole doesn't exist before the Am. Revolution. Which is silly, since you really HAVE to know something about European history and technology (and costume) in the 17th century to understand the evolution of those things in the 18th century. I also find that lots of 18th c. reenactors expect everything to be quite primitive and rough, whereas those of us who have studied medieval and Renaissance history know that there was a lot of advanced technology and craftsmanship in Europe prior to the 18th century, and people didn't suddenly drop it all when they got to the colonies. Part of the fault probably lies with the American schools; I don't think they focus on or emphasize European history prior to the Am. Revolution at all, and isn't that great on world history in general. Or at least that was the case when I was in school... Anyway, my point is that often people focus on just one time period, in costume, history or any other subject, and don't learn anything about the broader picture. I think this is a shame, because if you don't have the whole context, you're missing a lot. I used to post more than I do now because I've got less free time to read the list, unfortunately! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20216 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgIl9026740; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgIrL004334; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JfErL004065 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip185.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.185]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB8Jf019028623 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:41:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101416.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara In-Reply-To: <20021206.132747.-409781.0.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:15:28 -0500 Status: RO At 01:27 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: > The answers I got were >helpful and no one flamed me for making a pink polished cotton Tudor >gown. If it works, I will make the same gown in the proper fabrics, but >Margo's wonderful Elizabethan patterns only go so far in helping with >Tudor clothing. Actually, I'd love to know where one can find polished cotton :D I was looking for some for a 19th c. project, and we finally found some, but most of what I've seen for sale is a poly blend, which is just TOO hot... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20220 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgMl9026751; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgLrL004354; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JfIrL004086 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:41:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip185.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.185]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB8Jf01B028623 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:41:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods In-Reply-To: <003601c29d5a$92ab1be0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:33:47 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Kathleen, What decade of the 18th c. is the site working with? I haven't seen any evidence for knitted hoods in the late 18th century, but how about short cloaks (elbow-length) with hoods, made out of coating wool? The hoods could be lined with linen or silk (or, since this is a historical site with presumably a limited budget, a modern lining material that looks like silk), and tied at the neck with a wool ribbon. Don't line the body of the cloak (that's more of a 19th c. thing), and leave the bottom edge of the cloak unhemmed; the wool should be sufficiently fulled that it will hold an edge. These would be faster to make than knitted hoods, too, since you presumably need them for this winter's activities...? If you have access to Beth Gilgun's _Tidings from the 18th Century_, she has a pattern for a full-length cloak that you could use for a shorter version. This is a good time of year to look in the fabric store for coating remnants, too; you could probably get some great deals. I don't think an elbow-length cloak requires that much material (I'm guessing maybe a yard and a half of 60" wide fabric, though you'd want to lay the pattern out to be sure). The body of the cloak is a half-circle, gathered to the hood, which is roughly rectangular in shape, with a seam down the back and with some gathers at the top of the seam (at the crown of the head) so that the hood doesn't have a 'point' on it. It's hard to describe properly, but it's pretty easy to make. The most common color for women's cloaks in the 18th c. was red, but other colors like black or grey weren't unknown, either. I think shorter cloaks might have been more common in the middle of the 18th century than the end, but still would be a better option, IMO, than knitted hoods. Better to be a little old-fashioned than use something that hadn't been invented yet :) Cheers, Mara At 02:06 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >One of the historical houses I assist with is expanding its costume/ >education program. Since we are in a probable winter clime, there has been >a request for 'head covers' to wear outside on the street...that will be >warm. What are some of the credible resources that will best answer this >problem. I have some Fascinators from the mid 19th C and wonder if these >knitted hoods might have been a rediscovery then, of an earlier time.Any >thoughts? Kathleen Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20224 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgGl9026724; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JgFrL004315; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JfBrL004056 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip185.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.185]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB8Jf017028623 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208085721.01f31820@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara In-Reply-To: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Shortcuts and standards (was Re: how many of us are there?) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:35:55 -0500 Status: RO At 12:04 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) deal a >little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' (i.e., 1/4" steels in a >1570s pair of bodies, for instance) that were perfectly acceptable ten >years ago. Personally, I don't have a problem with steel boning in this context! Some of us like to try, say, reed boning because it's interesting to see how it works and what the differences are. And if I can't see it or tell that a modern material is used in the finished product you're wearing, then it makes no difference to me! A group I'm in just had its annual meeting; we're talking about clothing guidelines, among other things. The guy who put together our men's clothing guidelines framework did it so there are categories: "Most accurate", "Good", "Minumum acceptable", and "Unacceptable". A cotton shift and wool-poly blend petticoat or jacket, for instance, would be acceptable under our guidelines; that gets people in the door, and they can improve their outfits over time as they can afford to. I suspect that even so, the guidelines are a little intimidating to newbies looking at them. My own kit has some items that are pretty accurate, but I don't think it'll ever be 100% perfect, because I don't have the time to sit down and sew everything totally by hand (like the inside seams on my jacket, or the boning channels on my stays), nor do I see the need in many cases to do so. The guidelines are what we can aspire to, but realistically few will ever reach that "100% accurate" level of reenacting. However, I do want to know HOW things were done in 18th c. costume so that a) I can use those techniques wherever possible or practical (I like hand-sewing, when I have the luxury of enough time to do it!) and b) I can figure out a way to replicate those results using some modern shortcuts on my sewing machine in such a way that I'm still achieving as period a look as possible. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 14:47:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20243 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:47:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Jl1l9026920; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Jl0rL005482; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8JknrL005430 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:46:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L7O4-0006nC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 11:46:48 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay Message-ID: <001701c29ef2$978a6960$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c29eee$37acc5f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:07 -0700 Status: RO Bjarne, here are some links. Go to the bottom of the page for non-US suppliers. If you don't have any luck, let me know and I can send you some. It is made in Japan, so theoretically you may have better luck getting a supplier than then us in the US. Oh, and if you need an email list to join-I know where to send you :) http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/MainPages/supplysources.htm Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:16 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > >Hi Saragrace. >Yes i am in troubble, and you sertanly help me a lot! >Are there any suppliers of it who send to Europe. >Suppliers of paper clay? >Because i have not seen it anywhere here in Denmark. >But i have not looked for it. Perhaps they do have it if i ask about it. >This would be a very nice way to use my lace. on the dolls! > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:19 PM >Subject: RE: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay > > >> Oh Bjarne you are in trouble!! You simply must ask for these books for >> Christmas from your honey. I do soft sculpture too, though I haven't >> done a lot in paper clay-it is lovely stuff. I have done sculpting in >> regular clay too, it just does not compare to the paper clay. If you >> decide to get into it, look for the paper clay La Doll. >> >> Oh I am so excited to have someone else (especially you!) interested!! >> >> Anatomy of a Doll: The Fabric Sculptor's Handbook -- by Susanna Oroyan, >> et al; Paperback >> Buy new: $18.87 -- Used & new from: $14.85 >> 2. Fantastic Figures: Ideas & Techniques Using the New Clays -- by >> Susanna Oroyan; Paperback >> Buy new: $16.07 -- Used & new from: $12.74 >> 3. Finishing the Figure: Doll Costuming, Embellishments, Accessories >> -- by Susanna Oroyan; Paperback >> Buy new: $20.97 -- Used & new from: $18.98 >> >> Sg >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >> >Behalf Of Margo Anderson >> >Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:25 PM >> >To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com >> >Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay >> > >> >At 11:50 PM 12/07/2002 +0100, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>Hello. >> >>I have just ben surfing a little on the internet and found some amzing >> dolls >> >>made of paper clay. >> >>Are there anyone here, who knows this? >> >>Is it good to work with? >> >> >> >>Bjarne who is a little scared, i might find yeat another thing to >> >>do.............. >> >> >> > >> >Bad news, Bjarne, you've got another hobby on the way! I've made a few >> >dolls with paper clay and I found it really easy to work with. It's >> >basically a very fine grained paper maiche. By wetting it or letting >> it >> >get mostly dry, you can work with it in any state from almost liquid to >> >leather like. It air drys and after it's dry you can carve and sand it >> for >> >even more detail. >> > >> >Have fun! >> > >> >Margo >> >"One Tough Costumer" >> > >> > >> >See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at >> >margospatterns.com >> >_______________________________________________ >> >h-costume mailing list >> >h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:09:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20324 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:09:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K82l9027894; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K81rL010474; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8K7NrL010330 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCoV2hyxJp8yErZ1qzk3I5aPnCWuS9YsrSg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJJ6SY3; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:06:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination Message-ID: <20021208.140246.-690643.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,7-12,14-36 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:02:46 -0600 Status: RO Hi Margo, I used to live in the Indian neighborhood here in the Windy City and I love saris. The term Japanese Sari refers to a type of polyester imitation silk fabric popular for saris. It looks and drapes alot like silk, but is much easier to care for which ladies who wear saries everyday seem to appreciate. Karen On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:41:29 -0800 Margo Anderson writes: > I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most > peculiar > thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of > stores that > sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the > window > that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? > Can > anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm > baffled. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20328 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:09:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K89l9027902; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K89rL010511; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8K7NrL010329 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCoV2hyxJp8yErZ1qzk3I5aPnCWuS9YsrSg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJJ6SY3; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:06:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination Message-ID: <20021208.140246.-690643.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,7-12,14-36 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:02:46 -0600 Status: RO Hi Margo, I used to live in the Indian neighborhood here in the Windy City and I love saris. The term Japanese Sari refers to a type of polyester imitation silk fabric popular for saris. It looks and drapes alot like silk, but is much easier to care for which ladies who wear saries everyday seem to appreciate. Karen On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:41:29 -0800 Margo Anderson writes: > I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most > peculiar > thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of > stores that > sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the > window > that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? > Can > anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm > baffled. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20335 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K91l9027953; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8K90rL010703; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8K8IrL010562 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-122-69-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.122.69.97 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:08:18 -0000 Message-ID: <00d201c29ef6$0413b8e0$61457a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20021207150027.79319.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <008d01c29e38$c7e165b0$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> <3DF2A41A.2B41054E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Working too hard/ was: how many of us are there? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:11:38 -0800 Status: RO Yeah, I'm one sick puppy. My right arm has been numb off and on for four months, while healing from a pinched nerve in my neck acquired while appliqueing rhinestones to a cape for my "Pharoah" (think Elvis) in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. One would think I'd give it up, but NO, I'll just purchase a massage unit and make my kids massage my neck the next time! BTW, the cape was amazing! Almost solid rhinestones forming this really cool Egyptian design. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? > Yeah, the endorphin rush is something else, isn't it? > --Sue, who's pulled a few all-nighters herself! > > Cabbage Rose wrote: > > > > Just gotta love anyone who spends this much time thinking and "talking" > > about clothes, their beauty, their history and construction. The only > > difference between this list and heaven, is that in heaven, the dye lots > > will always be perfect, the fabric stash will never get bugs, and the > > costumes can be imagined into existence, without the backbreaking long > > nights of labor... wait I actually LIKE that part! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20368 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KB1l9028046; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KB1rL011198; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8KAMrL011040 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-122-69-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.122.69.97 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:10:21 -0000 Message-ID: <00e101c29ef6$4ddb3430$61457a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> <002f01c29e3b$1d9f3f70$045d7843@angelap3a8d978> <010401c29e9a$7a282a40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C29EB3.3F85E7B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:13:42 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C29EB3.3F85E7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll bet you they are Badgely Mischka! Beadwork is their specialty and = they are very popular. I imagine second still to Vera Wang Queen of = Weddings, but they are really gifted. They cut off Style TV as one of = my cable channels last year! I was so mad... hopefully I'll get it = back. Instead I browse "FirstView.com" which is all you'd ever need to = see about fashion. =20 angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,=20 That monthly changes in her circled orb, Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Penny Ladnier=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers Angela, I am so bad with names of present day designers. I keep seeing shows = on Style TV with these two guys who are designing bridal gowns that are = vintage inspired. The beadwork is outstanding!!!! Of present day designers, I really like Valentino for women and Armini = for men! You can't beat a man in an Armini suit!!!!! Droll!!! Well, = actually I have been following these two designers for a few decades. I = also like Bill Blass and Ralph Lauren for menswear... so classy! Can = you tell I sold menswear for years? My husband and I spend too much = time watching Style TV. We can watch the runway shows for hours. We = both love to critique the collections. One day I am going to make it to = that NY University Symposium with the top designers! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com=20 http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C29EB3.3F85E7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll bet you they are Badgely = Mischka! =20 Beadwork is their specialty and they are very popular. I imagine second = still to=20 Vera Wang Queen of Weddings, but they are really gifted.  They cut = off=20 Style TV as one of my cable channels last year!  I was so mad... = hopefully=20 I'll get it back.  Instead I browse "FirstView.com" which is all = you'd ever=20 need to see about fashion. 
 
angela
+++++
Angela F. = Lazear
Cabbage Rose=20 Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
 
Theatrical Costume Design
"O! = Swear not by=20 the moon, the inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circled=20 orb,
Lest that thy love prove likewise variable."
Romeo & = Juliet, II,=20 ii - W. Shakespeare
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Penny=20 Ladnier
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 = 1:16=20 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite=20 Designers

Angela,
 
I am so bad with names of present day designers.  I = keep seeing=20 shows on Style TV with these two guys who are designing bridal gowns = that are=20 vintage inspired.  The beadwork is outstanding!!!!
 
Of present day designers, I really like Valentino for women and = Armini=20 for men!  You can't beat a man in an Armini suit!!!!! = Droll!!! Well,=20 actually I have been following these two designers for a few=20 decades.  I also like Bill Blass and Ralph Lauren for menswear... = so=20 classy!  Can you tell I sold menswear for years?  My husband = and I=20 spend too much time watching Style TV.  We can watch the runway = shows for=20 hours.  We both love to critique the collections.  One day I = am=20 going to make it to that NY University Symposium with the top = designers!
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
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------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C29EB3.3F85E7B0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20405 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KM3l9028629; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KM1rL014050; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8KLIrL013891 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 162 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 20:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.76) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:21:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF3A964.DDC45AF3@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> <3DF37FF9.D8C150B1@inetone.net> <3DF38203.DCB6684D@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:19:48 -0500 Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Hey, Dhannti....what's the addy for your website? > --sue I have the green one on my site at http://www.geocities.com/dhannti656/Assignments.html However both gowns are on Margo's web page under Gallery. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20467 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:30:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KU2l9029101; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KU1rL016132; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8KTsrL016099 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4734 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 20:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.76) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:29:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF3AB60.80731ACC@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor question References: <3.0.6.32.20021206093558.00d9bc60@pop.directcon.net> <3DF068C3.2207.2C2B7CBF@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20021207223610.00d9e1d0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021208095004.01026ec0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:28:16 -0500 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > > At 12:23 PM 12/08/2002 -0500, Dhannti wrote: > >In a panic here. Can you or did you see that on mine on your site? It > >would be easy to redo if I have that on my two gowns. I learn more and > >more each day. If you can see that on my skirts show me please. > > > First off, if you did do it that way, I can't see it because your bodices > both have skirtings that cover the pleats. Secondly, "ugly" is my own > opinion, not a fact. If you did it that way, you like it, it works for > you, and no one can tell anyway, it ain't broke, and you don't need to fix it. > Margo yours is one of many opinions I trust. For those, like me, that are just starting out and who look for honest opinions and critiques its important to hear. I don't hear from Janet Anrold but I can ask you and get a reasonably straight forward answer. Yes I do look up to those with experience and know how on the over all scale of things. How else will I learn here in No-wherevill WV. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20543 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ki2l9029724; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ki1rL019662; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Kh3rL019416 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIubSV/ncTl8HDhdPKKaYrbr7g=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJL8AHB; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:42:29 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? Message-ID: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-9 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0500 Status: RO <<>> I can't for the life of me remember where I got it, but it is home dec width and I am sure I was going to use it for a duvet cover for my bedroom when I re decorated it several years ago. I too don't like poly cotton because of the heat. Of course, it doesn't wrinkle as badly as cotton and doesn't need ironing either. Still, I will iron it before I will be hot all day at an event. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20584 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Kr1l9000244; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Kr0rL021887; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8KqvrL021874 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:52:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip185.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.185]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB8Kqs11005958 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:52:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208154628.01f4b870@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Ebay -- repro 18th c. miniatures, plus other handmade jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:49:22 -0500 Status: RO This being the gift-giving season and all that... My friend Kate Johnson has put some of her handmade repro 18th c. miniatures (and some other neat handmade jewelry with Celtic and nature themes) online at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=katestreasures&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Cheers, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 15:58:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20611 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Kq2l9000176; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Kq1rL021674; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Kp7rL021454 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L8OI-0001qU-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:51:06 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: , Message-ID: <000001c29efb$93226540$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008c01c29cdd$c3c70220$735183d1@rmitchellras> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:51:25 -0700 Status: RO http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach61.html Does anyone have a better picture of this than this one? I am trying to figure out if she has a goller/caplet on or is the collar just part of her gown? I've looked all over the internet for a better picture. I thought maybe one of you had seen it in person or had a book with it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 16:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20790 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:23:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8LN2l9001757; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8LN1rL029815; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8LMhrL029747 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-211.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.211] helo=megan2) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18L8ss-00059n-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:22:42 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] stays for a large person Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002101c29e31$47c564a0$b65722d9@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:30:37 -0500 Status: RO I've always liked the term "Rubenesque", comparing us to the lovely nudes in the paintings, none of which are particularly thin. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 16:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20925 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ln5l9003328; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ln0rL005973; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Lm1rL005654 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:48:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208214801.53595.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:48:01 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] stays for a large person To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:48:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- "Megan M." wrote: > I've always liked the term "Rubenesque", comparing us to the lovely nudes in > the paintings, none of which are particularly thin. I absolutely agree, and when I have a look at the actual paintings I realise my body looks a lot like that: pear-shapes rule! *laughs* Nice round bust, round upper arms, an actual waist, a softly rounded tummy, big round bum and quite substantial round thighs. Hmm.. does the word 'round' and 'soft' seem to be repeated here? No wonder I love wearing costumes, they pull and push the roundness into all sorts of lovely shapes. Cleavages rock! I would love to be able to wear 1920s flapper and 1930s and 40s but that's right out for the Rubenesque soft and round ones. It's a good term, it really is. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 16:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20954 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:56:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Lt2l9003606; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Lt1rL007553; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8Ls7rL007364 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:54:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208215407.99436.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:54:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000001c29efb$93226540$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:54:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Yep, here you are: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=45604+0+none National gallery of Art, it has details and a blooming good quality on top of it. Nicole > Does anyone have a better picture of this than this one? I am trying > to figure out if she has a goller/caplet on or is the collar just part > of her gown? > > I've looked all over the internet for a better picture. I thought maybe > one of you had seen it in person or had a book with it. > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 17:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21065 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8M61l9004714; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8M60rL014527; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8M5HrL014258 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:05:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA05405 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212082227.OAA05405@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:27:14 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Bjarne og Leif Drews" [...] > Yes i am in troubble, and you sertanly help me a lot! > Are there any suppliers of it who send to Europe. > Suppliers of paper clay? > Because i have not seen it anywhere here in Denmark. > But i have not looked for it. Perhaps they do have it if i ask about it. > This would be a very nice way to use my lace. on the dolls! The paperclay that most doll artists I know use is called "La Doll". It's even finer textured than the usually paperclays. I've seen people use it with molds meant for ceramic bisque dolls. The only thing to remember is that your paperclay doll will come out slightly larger than a bisque doll made from the same mold, because the paperclay doesn't shrink as much. When I could still sculpt, I was using a combination of Premo and Liquid Translucent Scupley (it's a liquid). The combination was very similar in texture and finished appearance as Cernit. However, it's much stronger than Cernit and can even be carefully polished on the buffing wheel when you're using it for jewelry pieces or miniatures that are meant to look like ceramics. At this point, I'm instead repainting and re-rooting fashion dolls instead. It's easier on my hands. My mother's getting doll costumed in an 1880 gown for christmas this year. If I can hurry up and finish rooting the new hair. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 17:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21131 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:21:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MK3l9005305; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MK1rL018885; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MJQrL018754 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.120.76] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A56CE58000BE; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: <029201c29f09$d13aaa00$4c782ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <20021208.123325.-152767.2.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays for a large person MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:33:19 -0500 Status: RO <<>> Another mostly lurker here-----I like the word "voluptuous" better. Ever seen the painting of the lady, mostly in reds, called "Flaming June"? There was an article in ----ah, Smithsonian, I think---about the painter Titian, and his women were definitely not string beans, but they certainly are beautiful! In fact, if you really feel bad about yourself, buy a copy of an under-the-counter men's magazine (not Playboy), and see what men are REALLY paying good money to look at! Grins, Diane S. ----not as thin as I used to be either _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 17:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21208 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MU2l9005662; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MU1rL021464; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MT7rL021246 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.32.31838182 (25305); Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <32.31838182.2b2521a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? To: h-costume@indra.com CC: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32.31838182.2b2521a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10581 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:28:57 EST Status: RO --part1_32.31838182.2b2521a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:52:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach61.html > > I have a book with this portrait. It looks to me as if the collar is part of the goller/caplet. The book I am looking at is: Alexander Stepanow Cranach, by Parkstone Publisher. It is painting No. 102 The original is in the National Gallery in Washington. Maybe someone in the Washington area has seen the original? A good book for cross referencing is: The Thyssen - Bornemisza Colection:Early German Paintings 1350-1550, ISBN 0 8566 376 5 Publisher: Klett-Cotta (first published 1991 for Sotheby's Publishing by Philip Wilson Publishers LTD, London; my copy was published exclusively in Germany Austria ad German speaking Switzerland by Ernst Klett Verlag fuer Wissen und Bildung GmbH Stuttgart) By the way both books are out of print. In the Klett book the paintings very similar to the Cranach Portrait are: No 10 Portrait of a woman aged 26, Anonymous master of the School of Lukas Cranach the Elder dated 1525 This lady is wearing a red dress with black trim. The goller is lined in fur. Under the goller one can see both a small white and small black standing collar, the black one is tied together with a black ribbon. Underneath a bit of the chemise is visible. The portrait on the next page again is very similar, really interesting collars on both the dress and the goller. (same anonymous master) Portrait No. 13 Portrait of Anna Duerer, Wife of Hieronimus Flaischer aged 22 from an anonymous master active in Nuernberg 1527 falls into the same category. Painting No. 49 Portrait of a woman 1539 by Lucas Cranach the Younger, in my opinion is a later version of the same style. On this painting however there is no goller but a large fur lined collar on the black gown, Very interesting on this portrait is the barrette (hat), the sleeves and the chemise! It looks to me that this bodice is closed in the front (no lacing), maybe hooked together. The breastband is however still visible. More like the last gown is the gown worn by Anne of Hungary and Bohemia (Portrait No. 68) also there is a lot of similarity in the collar of the gown to the gollers in the other paintings. I wished I could post copires of all the portraits I just mentioned. Maybe some of you can find the book via inter library loan. Or maybe Drea can chime in here. I know she too owns this book. If you need more info, feel free to contact me. Elisabeth --part1_32.31838182.2b2521a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:52:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes:


http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach61.html



I have a book with this portrait.  It looks to me as if the collar is part of the goller/caplet.  The book I am looking at is: Alexander Stepanow Cranach, by Parkstone Publisher.  It is painting No. 102
The original is in the National Gallery in Washington.  Maybe someone in the Washington area has seen the original?

A good book for cross referencing is:  The Thyssen - Bornemisza Colection:Early German Paintings 1350-1550, ISBN 0 8566 376 5  Publisher: Klett-Cotta (first published 1991 for Sotheby's Publishing by Philip Wilson Publishers LTD, London; my copy was published exclusively in Germany Austria ad German speaking Switzerland by Ernst Klett Verlag fuer Wissen und Bildung GmbH Stuttgart)
By the way both books are out of print.

In the Klett book the paintings very similar to the Cranach Portrait are:

No 10 Portrait of a woman aged 26, Anonymous master of the School of Lukas Cranach the Elder dated 1525
This lady is wearing a red dress with black trim.  The goller is lined in fur.  Under the goller one can see both a small white and small black standing collar, the black one is tied together with a black ribbon.  Underneath a bit of the chemise is visible. The portrait on the next page again is very similar, really interesting collars on both the dress and the goller.  (same anonymous master)

Portrait No. 13  Portrait of Anna Duerer, Wife of Hieronimus Flaischer aged 22 from an anonymous master active in Nuernberg 1527 falls into the same category.

Painting No. 49 Portrait of a woman 1539 by Lucas Cranach the Younger, in my opinion is a later version of the same style.  On this painting however there is no goller but a large fur lined collar on the black gown,  Very interesting on this portrait is the barrette (hat), the sleeves and the chemise!
It looks to me that this bodice is closed in the front (no lacing), maybe hooked together.  The breastband is however still visible.  

More like the last gown is the gown worn by Anne of Hungary and Bohemia (Portrait No. 68) also there is a lot of similarity in the collar of the gown to the gollers in the other paintings.

I wished I could post copires of all the portraits I just mentioned.  Maybe some of you can find the book via inter library loan.  Or maybe Drea can chime in here.  I know she too owns this book.

If you need more info, feel free to contact me.
Elisabeth   
--part1_32.31838182.2b2521a9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 17:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21258 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:42:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Mf4l9006098; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Mf1rL024244; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MexrL024234 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.108] (as3-4-122.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.108]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB8Met028005 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:40:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021208160009.69267.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021208160009.69267.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:58:00 -0800 Status: RO Ok, I'm getting intimidated by people's project lists! As for me, since it looks like the PhD dissertation will actually be finished during the first month or so of 2003, I can at least fantasize about what costume projects I may work on. The top two are entirely "non-material". I'd like to turn my booklet on medieval Welsh costume into a web page, since it's the easiest way to update it with new material (although I still have dreams of doing a Real Book at some point, not just the self-published booklet). And I'd like to turn my Surviving Garments project into something more generally accessible and interactive -- something where people can search on questions like "what has been published on surviving socks and hose from the 14th century" or "what types of surviving garments are made of linen" or the like. Making the project publicly-accessible will also make it easier for people to point me towards items or articles I'm not aware of yet. For actual sewing projects, I want to try some experiments on the "patterned gathering" (i.e. "Italian smocking") method seen on some surviving medieval albs and work up to a reconstruction of one of them. I've owed my youngest brother an Elizabethan suit of clothes for a number of years, and I need to make good on that. (My brothers are very patient about the projects I owe them -- other than the occasional pointed nag.) I've got a pattern drafted for a quilted silk Turkish caftan (which I intend to use around the house as a fancy bathrobe-like-object) that needs to be translated into cloth. And then, when I find out what I'm going to be doing for a living in my post-grad-student life, I may decide to do a serious make-over in my everyday wardrobe. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 17:57:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21330 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:57:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Mu5l9006534; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Mu1rL027762; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8MsfrL027422 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-103-233.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.103.233]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL77092; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:52:34 GMT Message-ID: <003101c29f0d$5cc68320$e9674ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com><006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> <30d$NaC+L589IwBl@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:58:04 -0000 Status: RO The dye remover is I believe designed to take out the dyes Dylon use as you say, but they are industrial dyes too, just the industrial ones should be applied by expecting in dyeing & hence have greater fastness ;) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21374 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8N61l9006821; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8N60rL000241; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20207.mail.yahoo.com (web20207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8N5YrL000123 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:05:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208230534.84526.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:05:34 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:05:34 +1100 (EST) Status: RO > I too don't like > poly cotton because of the heat. Of course, it > doesn't wrinkle as badly > as cotton and doesn't need ironing either. Still, I > will iron it before > I will be hot all day at an event. I've heard people complain about the heat factor of poly/cotton before, so I hope you all don't mind if I share my experience with poly/cotton. I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone buy, a 100% cotton jacquard. Silk brocades are right out of my price range. So I mostly use poly/cotton jaquards. I must say that I've yet to wear this dress in hot weather, but even in warm weather I do not find poly/cotton to be any more uncomfortable to wear than my 100% cotton velvet or velveteen, despite having almost 8 metres in the hem circumference! Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21440 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:25:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NO2l9007552; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NO1rL004778; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8NNarL004657 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:23:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqSFUPy2BIubq3w3xiisIaLo35do7STwPA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJWD5UP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:22:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) Message-ID: <20021208.182120.-375369.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,9-13 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:21:19 -0500 Status: RO Bella, what a beautiful gown!! I have a cotton velveteen tunic and it is too hot for summer wear here in Florida. A lot depends on where you are. Temperatures in the 90s with humidity in the 80s can feel like a steam bath. I rather expect my pink polished cotton over a cotton batiste chemise and a linen corset will be a bit too much for a Florida summer too. I am not sure the black silk and velvet will be wearable at any time, but then I hate hot weather and I detest being hot. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21471 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:27:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NR5l9007723; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NR4rL005505; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQRrN005317 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern In-reply-to: <20021205134522.56358.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208124354.04cd3d80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3DEF567E.6050006@kabelfoon.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:48:12 -0800 Status: RO >Urgh... uhm... hmm... is it just me or are those big fat red roses a tad OTT? >*shudder* > >No, seriously, I don't have a clue about this period and it struck me as an >awfully ugly dress, therefore I would like to know, IS this historically >correct? Is this right or more a costumey costume? I'd go for the same colours that are in the fashion plate, using the Simplicity one as a guide. And skip bright red roses and hyper-contrasty black lace on white. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:27:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21475 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NR1l9007712; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NR0rL005484; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQRrL005317 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: juice drink dyes (was Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question In-reply-to: <3DEF09F5.5489.26852631@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208123227.04cd1b40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021204.184214.-211469.0.Cley@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:36:32 -0800 Status: RO >BTW, the colourings used in the cheaper drinks stain >cloth quite badly. But they're not fast enough to be >used as dye, AFAIK. (There, costume content!) I learned most of what I know about dying from a USDepartment of Agriculture stain-removal pamphlet. If it said stains from something were hard to remove, would stay forever, or that doing thus-and-such would set it, I figured I could use it as a dye. But some things, like blackberries, make a nice purple stain at first, but then the red element washes out and all you have is faint blue-ish. (Some things I'd rather eat than dye with.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21479 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRAl9007745; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRArL005529; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQWrL005351 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Lurking RE: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? In-reply-to: <3DF136D1.3874B970@lavoltapress.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208134051.04cda1b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003c01c29d78$bf69bf10$5f67fea9@AlphaB> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:53:19 -0800 Status: RO > > Even the hierarchy here is one > > of earned position. > > > >There is zero need for any hierarchy on a mailing list. I personally just >ignore the whole issue and say whatever I want to whoever I want. I agree. I have neither degree nor published work behind me, but I have been doing this for decades, with an eye toward what the evidence in front of me tells me. And I tend to have a memory for pictures. So sometimes I am seeing things other people haven't noticed, and at other times my head seems to be in a dark place... So if I think I know something, especially if I think I can back it up, I post. And I ask my share of dumb questions too, well aware that I don't 'know it all'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21483 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NREl9007760; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRDrL005555; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQRrP005317 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question In-reply-to: <200212052151.NAA18274@gw.retro.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208125014.04cd0ac0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:51:21 -0800 Status: RO > > According to my daughter, you can dye hair with KoolAid > >It's true. We used to do that before all the new funky-colored >dyes became available. Purples and reds took the best. If you have any grey hairs, and expect the KoolAid to wash out, it will stay in the grey hairs like forever. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21487 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRKl9007793; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRKrL005593; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQTrN005332 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1851 model for Simplicity pattern - skirt,got it! In-reply-to: <8FC0BBDB-08B4-11D7-9076-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208130143.04cd3160@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <1c8.2a291aa.2b210b32@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:02:45 -0800 Status: RO >With the standard 18 yard measure in the hem line of a summer frock in >taffetta or mouseline you get these fab,rich folds of fabric that whisper >when moved by the wearer. Where do you get this figure? I've never seen it on an original. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21491 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRHl9007774; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRHrL005573; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQTrL005332 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dancing in Gowns with Trains In-reply-to: <3DEFD880.2AC99F7C@rcn.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208125440.04c6ef00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021205185401.5247.46228.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:58:08 -0800 Status: RO I saw a Japanese film once, where the women had trained kimonos because it was at court, and they did a quick little kick to get the things out of the way whenever they did things like get up from kneeling down. I don't know whether or not to believe this as historically correct for the period (early 1700s, at a guess), but it was completely different than what a European woman would have done. (I think it was 'Chushingura', but it's been a while so I don't really remember which Kurosawa film it was.) > > >So how did women deal with trains when dancing? Were skirt lifters used, > > or > > did they hold their skirt up, or did people know to avoid them, > > > > Avoiding them is a bit plus I think, also you learn to dance in manner that > > swishes them out of the way most of the time. > > > > > or were the > > dances written in such a way as to incorporate the trains? > > > > Not from any I've done :) Too many backwards steps they can be tricky... > >I learned an 1860's waltz & an 1890's. > >The '60's waltz (no train) starts with the gentleman's back to the center of >the floor & the lady's back towards the seat. Line of direction is 'over >hands'. >After three beats, the lady has her back to the center of the room & line >of direction is 'over elbows'. >All steps are forward or in place; nobody steps backwards. > > >The 1890's waltz, when at least some ballgowns were trained, starts with >the gentleman's back to line of direction. >The dance starts with his taking a step backwards, two turning steps, and >the lady then takes a step back. The turning should be neat enough that >her train gets out of her way. > >I don't know when the transition took place, and I don't believe it would be >possible to have a partial transition, although I am only an intermediate >vintage dancer. > > >Very early in my costuming, I made a vaguely Regency gown with a two foot >train. I learned to dance a dos a' dos (do-si-do) fairly easily, because >the train >got out of my way enough. > > > > Mel > >Ann in CT > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21497 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NROl9007808; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NROrL005618; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQUrL005340 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? In-reply-to: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:19:39 -0800 Status: RO >I don't post - or post about anything substantial - because I don't want >to look like an idiot. I post kind-of often, and look like an idiot, right here on this list, on a regular basis. >I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, Me too. >I don't think I'm being overly sensitive here when I worry about >mentioning that I'm trying out different shift patterns in good cotton >cloth rather than linen. Or that my last set of clothes was actually a >mostly-synthetic wool blend that you wouldn't have known from real wool >twill from an arm's length away. The points aren't linen tape or silk >ribbon - it was some grosgrain ribbon off the shelf at the fabric store >that worked, and that I could actually afford to make into two dozen >sleeve points. My present set of stays are 1/4" steel bones (and have >been since I made my first set in 1981) rather than reed because for a fat >girl, it works, and they give predictable results. > >My impression is at times, that folks (with notable exceptions) deal a >little harshly with people who take 'shortcuts' (i.e., 1/4" steels in a >1570s pair of bodies, for instance) that were perfectly acceptable ten >years ago. Having done SCA costuming since the middle 1970s, the amount >of good research material around now absolutely astounds me - things have >come *so* far! I'm glad to see the bar being raised, but sorry that it >excludes so many honest attempts. The perception seems that anyone who >takes a whack at doing a period piece "should have known better" about the >X, Y, or Z detail that they didn't get just right. There doesn't seem to >be any appreciation for a good try. I keep my first SCA costume (start with polyester poplin and go downhill from there), from way back in the early 70s, both to keep me humble and to show people who get an over-inflated idea of my skill at costuming (these folks need to be shaken back to a reality where they realize that they can get good too.) >I don't know how far off my perception is, or if it's spot on. This list >does, like any, have it's share of know-it-alls, no matter what the >subject or tangent. I've learned to either ignore or laugh at them (I >find at least one of them consistently entertaining, although some of her >information is good, but I suspect it's really more of a personality issue >I have with her, and no, she doesn't know me from anywhere, but she posts >a great deal). I'd like to jump in some times and offer my own >experience, but just -- hesitate because I don't want to look like an >idiot if I get it wrong, and get jumped on by people with better access to >information, more education, and moreover *more time* to spend at this >incredibly consuming, wonderful hobby of ours. > >I suppose, if someone who has a few pretty good suits of clothes behind >her feels uncomfortable offering advice, where would this leave a novice? I guess some Novices are more used to jumping in with questions than some other more experienced folks. Again, just a matter of personality, and not a fault. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21501 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRVl9007844; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRUrL005667; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQXrN005356 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me In-reply-to: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208144145.04cb5f00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:44:58 -0800 Status: RO >I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. >Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, >so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. >Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire >ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or >indeed others? Anything that ties under the 'second chin' rather than the first. I don't usually have any problem with looking like I weigh as much as I do, but I always tie anything that goes under my chin at that place where the first chin used to be (before the advent of the second one). I finished my new ACW-period day cap last night, and had to carefully move the ties so they would both hold the cap on and tie where I wanted them to. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21505 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRYl9007859; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRYrL005690; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQYrL005366 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] stays In-reply-to: <001401c29e2f$a053e760$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208145702.04cdb830@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:57:28 -0800 Status: RO >I am very glad that you warned me about that word. >Silly me, i surely didnt want to be rude, and it was very careless of me. >Now i used your word Junoeque in stead. Thanks for this Stevie, i am glad >you told me. In my family, the word is 'Zaftig'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21509 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRRl9007823; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRRrL005641; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQXrL005356 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question In-reply-to: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208142332.04cd9970@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01c29dcb$ec5af0e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:26:53 -0800 Status: RO >3. What about hairstyles and jewellery ? I've got long straight hair, and >couldn't go in for a great bush of little curls: could I get away with >putting it up in a bun like the Greek ladies. I know I won't need a veil, >(thank goodness), but should I have some other sort of head-dress ? Were >necklaces very common ? I do have some rings, brooches and a bracelet that >are copies of finds, would they be enough ? Look in sculpture sources, for statues of women from that time. And look in jewelry books for the stuff itself. Places like the Metropolitan Museum of Art, in New York City, sometimes offer repros of this stuff, of varying accuracy and usually expensive. There's a re-enactment group in the UK, which does Roman soldiers. I don't know what period they do, but I bet their women (if any) would have sources. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21517 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRcl9007877; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NRcrL005710; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NQarL005377 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6T009B5QG2L1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peculiar Combination In-reply-to: <000f01c29e9a$9bcb7670$78c2adcb@michaela> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208151626.04ce0c40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.6.32.20021207224129.00da89d0@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:17:46 -0800 Status: RO > > I just got back from a trip to the Bay Area, and I saw the most peculiar > > thing. On University Avenue in Berkeley, there are a number of stores >that > > sell saris, shalwar kameeez, etc. One of them had a sign in the window > > that said, "Japanese Sari and Custom Tailoring". What the heck? Can > > anyone tell me what a "japanese sari could possibly be? I'm baffled. > >Not sure but I do know when I went saree shopping a lot of fabrics were >woven in Japan. That could possibly be something to do with it? > >Particularly fine silk and the prints were very ... blossomy I suppose, >little round petals and quite different to the patterns I've got in my >collection of second hand ones. Many of the filmy polyester saris are from Japan. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21581 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:35:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NY1l9008152; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NY0rL007509; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8NXCrL007288 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OgOy8IA/mDVxoth4lPuNBRo="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKJWXWV3; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:32:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt Message-ID: <20021208.153407.-211469.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-43 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:11:36 +0000 Status: RO And who likes spiky bits in their feet anyway? Poor giraffe. ;) Arlys On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Jean Waddie writes: > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet > that > close together. > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > hoops > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > alternative? > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand > owing > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > >Only $9.95 per month! > >Visit www.juno.com > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21594 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:37:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Nb1l9008250; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Nb1rL008303; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Na4rL008039 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61E520A93 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip41.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.41]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E18F20A89 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:35:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <036001c29f12$8ea2d920$29604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021208125014.04cd0ac0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:35:56 -0500 Status: RO > If you have any grey hairs, and expect the KoolAid to wash out, it will > stay in the grey hairs like forever. > > > Kayta So I could use a dark purple or red KoolAid, and have a head full of highlights---hmmm.... Dianne who has much grey hair and hates it _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21609 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:40:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ne1l9008365; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Ne0rL009010; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NdmrL008936 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:39:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB903CaB019003; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:03:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB903CRa019001; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:03:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212081903.11871.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB8NdmrL008936 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:03:11 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 08 December 2002 04:19 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: [text cut here] > >I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, > > Me too. I also. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 18:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21638 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Nj2l9008571; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Nj1rL010180; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NiUrL010036 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA06046 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212090006.QAA06046@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: British food question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:06:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > So I could use a dark purple or red KoolAid, and have a head full of > highlights---hmmm.... The purple doesn't take nearly as well as the dark red (gah, I can't remember what the current flavor name is, but there's one variety that will give burgundy highlights). Or you could just buy a vegetable-based dye like Special Effects or Punky Colors. If you don't bleach your hair first, you'll only get highlights (I use a shade of SFx called "blood red"). _Any_ of these dyes will bleed and/or rub off, so be careful. I have a number of shirts with red/burgundy collar stains. If you going to use KoolAid, buy the sugarfree variety and make a thick paste. Mix that with a _small_ amount of conditioner and apply it to your hair. Cover it with a plastic cap and use a blowdryer to heat it up. Leave for at least an hour. The commerical dyes should be applied to damp hair and covered. Applying heat is optional and will result in much more brilliant colors. [If I hadn't just wrecked my back, I'd be redying my hair this weekend] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:00:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21712 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:00:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8NxDl9009262; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8Nx1rL013652; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB8NwIrL013491 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:58:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021208235817.60605.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:58:17 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021208.182120.-375369.0.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:17 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > Bella, what a beautiful gown!! Thank you. :) > I have a cotton velveteen tunic and it is > too hot for summer wear > here in Florida. A lot depends on where you are. > Temperatures in the > 90s with humidity in the 80s can feel like a steam > bath. I'm in the southern "bite" of Australia. We get Mediterranean weather - very long, hot, summers with low-medium humidity, and short cool winters with lots of rain. Temps in summer average in the mid-high 30s celsius (that's 95-102 degrees farenheit) and do get over the 40 degree mark often. We take our break in summer for about a month! :) I guess the humidity is more a factor in comfort than heat. > > I rather expect my pink polished cotton over > a cotton batiste > chemise and a linen corset will be a bit too much > for a Florida summer > too. I am not sure the black silk and velvet will > be wearable at any > time, but then I hate hot weather and I detest being > hot. Me too. :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! 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Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21734 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9071l9009599; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9070rL015971; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB906hrL015898 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:06:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209000643.1664.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:06:43 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200212081903.11871.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:06:43 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Sunday 08 December 2002 04:19 pm, Carolyn Kayta > Barrows wrote: > [text cut here] > > > >I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, > > > > Me too. > > I also. The only place I'm published is my self-publishing online, someone's class notes for Ithra, and in the upcoming edition of our (SCA) kingdom's arts and sciences newsletter. Oh, and one sonnet on the bardic guild website. :) Bella...who had to look up "autodidact" 'cause she'd never heard it before but had a feeling it had something to do with being self-taught :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21828 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OFl9010253; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OFrL020137; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NcrL019968 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NZ11028402 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208172326.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <3DF2356B.21BC81C6@in-tch.com> References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:25:19 -0500 Status: RO At 10:52 AM 12/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hello the list, from cold, foggy Montana! > >I agree...with Fran's comment, and with the person whom she's quoting. >However, I don't think that those who are more into authenticity should >have to apologize, either. I really get tired of being referred to as a >"cosack" or "nazi" or any other disparaging term that somehow seems >designed to make me feel like I'm some sort of stereotypical >fun-stealer. Me, too! I want to know the 'authentic' way to do things so I can, if I choose to, or so that I can figure out an appropriate way to 'fudge' it and still get the right look, if I want to do that. But how else can you figure out the latter, if you don't know the former? >Obligatory Costume Content: Today, I'm off to JoAnn's with my discount >coupon, to see if they've got any wool (a girl can always hope, huh?), >and to a local fiber-arts store to buy my tablet-weaving supplies for my >gothic fitted gown (tm). I'm going to buy some different perle cottons >to learn on, and some lovely 50/2 silk thread for the actual gown. >Maybe lots and lots of the silk thread--it's undyed/unbleached, and a >perfect weight to use for embroidery. And I'm learning from friends >about natural dyes.... >--Sue Good luck! My local JoAnn's actually DID have some wool this year, much to my surprise! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21832 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OKl9010272; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OJrL020161; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NerL019987 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NZ13028402 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208182306.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lurkers etc In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:37:43 -0500 Status: RO At 02:27 AM 12/8/2002 +0000, Kate wrote: >I've only been a member on this list for a few months, and I don't post >very much. I have recently been thinking a lot about unsubscribing. Why? >Because it annoys me (and it's 2am and I'm fortified by a certain amount >of wine and I figure I've got nothing to lose here) that, no matter what >you post about, there are always people who seem to take pleasure in >disagreeing with you, just for the hell of it. But, to my mind, >actually, NOBODY really knows what it was like in the time periods this >list covers, NOBODY was there and the documented evidence is scarce to say >the least, and usually restricted to certain levels of society. Frankly, >it p***es me off that people think they have all the answers... Well, I'm not sure that it's possible to know all the answers, but, for what it's worth, when I ask the list a question, I more or less expect to get several different answers, each of which I read and take on its own merits; I then decide which one I agree with and base my actions (how to sew something) on that. This list seems very civil to me, overall. There are a few people who get under my skin, but I've learned to mentally (or literally) filter those people out to keep myself from getting bent out of shape over a tempest in a teapot. If someone disagrees with me AND can back up their statements with evidence, I'd like to know because maybe I've got it wrong; if they're just disagreeing to be disagreeable, I can just blow them off (as someone else said, that's what the 'delete' key is for). I think that one has to have a relatively thick skin when participating in listservs or online discussions, generally speaking. One shouldn't take these things personally. (snip) >And for the record, I went to a Ren Faire once in California and, even >though I wasn't into costume in those days, was hugely insulted by the >interpretation of England. To my mind, it was Renaissance Disney. > >Kate You'll get no argument from me! The Maryland RenFaire is basically a fantasy/crafts fair crossed with the circus; it has little or no basis in reality any more, and that's why I don't go as a reenactor; our group used to go on Scottish weekend, but we found that the tourists were treating us like paid entertainers and didn't care about Scottish history or any of the other stuff we usually talk about. It's NOT history, and if I went expecting to be educated, I'd be sorely disappointed. OTOH, I might go with friends, in costume, just to have fun. But I wouldn't be going as a reenactor, I'd be going as a tourist, and my attitude and expectations would be different. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21836 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OOl9010284; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90ONrL020188; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NkrL020013 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NZ15028402 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208183804.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:42:06 -0500 Status: RO At 09:44 PM 12/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I bought an ikat silk sari at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival last >summer and would like to make a Regency/Federal period ball gown by >June. (We'll see if it gets done.) Oh, Ann, I'm envious :) Did you see the pink silk ikat that Sally Queen bought at the festival? It'd make a lovely pet en l'air! >But first, I must finish a princess outfit for my granddaughter for >Christmas. It is Simplicity pattern 5909. This is a Renaissance-inspired >look. As I'm using some ivory polyester shantung I had on hand, the skirt >will not be as full as the pattern (this is just for dress up >anyway!) The sleeves will be point d'esprit, and the vest purple velvet >with rose gimp and silver lace trim. Mom also requested a "princess hat," >which I guess is a hennin, which will also be the velvet. It sounds charming :) I used to wear a lot of "princess" costumes when I was a little girl. I think it was the illustrations in my books of fairy tales that got me interested in costumes, to tell the truth! >I have been trying to use fabrics I have on hand for current >projects. One of the spencers is a green wool I had planned for a skirt >several years ago, and gold trims that I already had. For the other >spencer, I got a piece of camel-colored wool out of the cedar chest that >was going to be a blazer about 20 years ago. I dyed it with Rit wine dye >and it came out a nice rust color. I'm lining it with white silk twill. Please post pictures! They sound lovely... >I admit, the sari was a new, and rather expensive, purchase. But my >husband had just bought himself a banjo for almost the same price, so I >HAD to do something! Why should the boys get all the toys, anyway? :D >That only takes me through June. I will need a new 1814 gown next summer, >so have to start thinking about that. And I bought some brown wool and >velvet to make my husband a new tailcoat, so need to work that in somewhere. Sounds yummy! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21840 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90O2l9010243; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90O0rL020092; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NErL019850 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NA11028362 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208185829.01f2c510@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] My booklet is out! -- (i.e., this year's projects, was next year's projects) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:19:37 -0500 Status: RO Since I mentioned this in another post... Pardon me, folks, for blowing my own horn just a little! Well, folks, my costume booklet is out! It's called "Whatever Shall I Wear?: A Guide to Assembling a Woman's Basic 18th Century Wardrobe". The illustrations (which really make the book) are by Kate (Cathy) Johnson, of Graphics/Fine Arts Press; she's put out several other books for 18th c. F&I or RevWar period reenactors. I'm very lucky indeed that she liked this project enough to take it on! What this booklet is intended to do: it's supposed to replace the badly outdated "Distaff Sketchbook" as a guide for beginners just getting into 18th century reenacting and looking to put together a basic, commoners' (i.e., not fancy dress) wardrobe, suitable for an ordinary camp follower or housewife. The book has descriptions of the various articles of dress, materials used, and how they were worn, and the back of the book has a very extensive reading, sutlers and suppliers lists. I wrote it to be the booklet I wish someone had handed me when I started doing 18th century reenacting. What it is not: it is not primary research, in the sense that Norah Waugh's _Cut of Women's Clothes_ etc. are primary research. There are a lot of really good, detailed costume books by Waugh, Baumgarten, Arnold, etc. out there, but in my experience, your average beginner never even sees these; she get the Sketchbook handed to her by the guy (yes, it's usually a guy, and frequently one who doesn't know much about 18th c. women's clothing) responsible for their group's costume standards and info, and then the beginner gets frustrated because she does't know where to go from there. If she happens to pick up Waugh, or Arnold, she gets overwhelmed and passes them by for something more immediately accessible. We also tried to price it affordably so that a beginner who isn't sure whether they really want to invest in this (let's face it, rather expensive) hobby will feel comfortable buying it. A beginner isn't going to shell out, oh, $70 for Waugh or sometimes even $30 for some of the more affordable books (like Beth Gilgun's _Tidings_, which is very good) until she decides if this is something she really wants to do. The book can be bought from Graphics/Fine Arts Press. Kate is trying to get her web guy to update the site -- contrary to what the site says at the moment, the book has arrived (it got to her earlier this week) and she is mailing copies out. http://www.epsi.net/graphic/books.html Cheers, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21844 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OTl9010307; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OSrL020222; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NmrL020024 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NZ17028402 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208184238.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me In-Reply-To: <3DF2B714.7070307@misc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:43:03 -0500 Status: RO At 07:05 PM 12/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Those fabulous beaded/embroidered/decorated Art Deco Dresses look like >expensive bundles of neglected laundry on (pear shaped) me. > >Theresa Eacker Me, too! My (skinny) sister, on the other hand, has the perfect figure for them (sigh)... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21849 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:25:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OXl9010319; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90OWrL020248; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90NorL020039 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip150.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.150]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB90NZ19028402 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. In-Reply-To: <3DF2A690.28F925DF@in-tch.com> References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:57:57 -0500 Status: RO Well, I'm not exactly a lurker either, but will answer anyway. Hm, projects... Well, I need to make two new 18th c. jackets (I found some tartan fabric that I like); I'd like to make myself a linsey-woolsey petticoat... I'd also like to get that Susannah Fourment outfit done one of these years! I did make the hat this fall, so one step at a time, eh? I'm supposed to help a friend put together a costume for RenFaire, too, but we're having problems coordinating our calendars. I have started a pair of Scottish trews for my hubby, and just finished (sort-of, need to do some topstitching) a new jacket for him. I also have a request from a friend to make an 18th c. suit of clothes (breeches, waistcoat, coat) out of some mouse-colored wool, with a flame-orange wool for the waistcoat. That's been on the long-term round to it list for a while, though. I'd like to make a Regency-period gown in some lovely lightweight cotton/linen blend fabric I have in the stash, along with an over-dress in some cotton ikat-type fabric I found at G Street that looks like it'd work for the period. That's not a must-do, though, it's a round-to-it. Other than that, I have a bunch of routine sewing to do (men's shirts, that kind of thing). I'm a bit burned out on sewing at the moment, and have been taking a break by doing other things like the family genealogy project. Maybe I'll be back in the mood by the new year! 172 pages scanned, 88 to go... Oh, and to mention THIS year's projects, my booklet is out! But more on that in another post ... :D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 19:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21919 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90g2l9011091; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90g0rL024446; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB90ffrL024334 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB915CaB019306; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:05:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gB915C1d019304; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:05:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212082005.12008.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB90ffrL024334 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:05:12 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 08 December 2002 06:57 pm, Kevin + Mara wrote: > > Oh, and to mention THIS year's projects, my booklet is out! But more on > that in another post ... :D Yes, I checked out the URL you included. Congratulations! Sounds neat. I must get myself a copy after the first-of-the-year expenses are taken care of.... -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 20:55:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22255 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:55:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB91sHl9014131; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:54:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB91sArL012458; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:54:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB91rsrL012353 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip164.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.164]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB91rK11008363 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:53:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208204920.01f7c880@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:49:44 -0500 Status: RO Hm, maybe that's the problem, I haven't looked in the home dec section. Thanks! -- Mara At 03:40 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: ><<>> > > I can't for the life of me remember where I got it, but it is >home dec width and I am sure I was going to use it for a duvet cover for >my bedroom when I re decorated it several years ago. I too don't like >poly cotton because of the heat. Of course, it doesn't wrinkle as badly >as cotton and doesn't need ironing either. Still, I will iron it before >I will be hot all day at an event. > >Lalah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22331 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9262l9014723; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9261rL015439; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB925SrL015319 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021209020527.JXEV9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:05:27 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question Message-ID: <3DF3FA60.31473.26E82E@localhost> Priority: normal References: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20021208142332.04cd9970@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:05:20 -0000 Status: RO On 8 Dec 2002 at 14:26, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > There's a re-enactment group in the UK, which does Roman soldiers. I > don't know what period they do, but I bet their women (if any) would > have sources. Several re-enactment groups, I think. The Ermine Street Guard is the first name that comes to mind, but on a quick check of their web-site, they seem to be purely army. I can't remember names of the others off-hand, but possibly others can? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22335 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB926El9014747; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:06:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB926ErL015504; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:06:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB925UrL015338 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021209020529.JXFN9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:05:29 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Message-ID: <3DF3FA60.4852.26EA55@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021208.120230.-152767.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:05:20 -0000 Status: RO On 8 Dec 2002 at 11:59, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > << what extent poly-cotton could or could not reproduce > linen. >>> > > Ok, from someone who would love to be totally authentic but > finances get in the way. I have owned some really good handkerchief > linen in my past and quite honestly, cotton batiste is a decent > substitute. Poly cotton batiste will look just as good, but it sure > won't feel it. Linen is wonderful next to the skin. It is cool and > it breathes and it wicks the sweat away. Cotton is fairly cool and it > breathes and it holds the dampness like a sponge. Poly cotton is warm > when you put it on, breathes little and will be sticky and > uncomfortable in short order in hot weather. From the viewpoint of an > observer they will all pass the ten foot test, but from the viewpoint > of the wearer they are very, very different. Thanks! Filing that one.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:12:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22357 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92B2l9015215; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92B1rL016720; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92AYrL016581 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:10:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021209021033.KARB9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:10:33 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? Message-ID: <3DF3FB95.13103.2BA1CF@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101416.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20021206.132747.-409781.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:10:29 -0000 Status: RO On 8 Dec 2002 at 10:15, Kevin + Mara wrote: > Actually, I'd love to know where one can find polished cotton :D > > I was looking for some for a 19th c. project, and we finally found > some, but most of what I've seen for sale is a poly blend, which is > just TOO hot... I'm not sure if this is the stuff you're talking about, but I got some cotton with one side looking sort of shiny from a curtain shop. "Polished" isn't a word they used but it would be descriptive. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22365 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92C5l9015329; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92C3rL017142; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:12:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92BgrL016966 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip164.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.164]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB92Bc11010361 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208205932.01f81d00@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <200212081903.11871.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:08:07 -0500 Status: RO At 07:03 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Sunday 08 December 2002 04:19 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >[text cut here] > > > >I'm an autodidact, not degreed, not published, > > > > Me too. > >I also. I just had to give a wry laugh, because I just sent a note to the list about the publishing of my first book (er, booklet; how big does something have to be to be a book? This is 54 pages...) So I'm going to be a little defensive here. I do NOT think that just because I am lucky enough to get this thing published, I am any kind of expert. I hope I made it clear in my earlier email that any of you who are already well-versed in 18th c. costume would know just about everything I'm saying in my book (and probably could have written it as well as, or better than, I). The reason I wrote it is because the members of an 18th c. list were going on about a year or two ago about how bad the Distaff Sketchbook was, and wasn't it a shame that nothing better had been done in the way of an introductory booklet, and when I said, "well, why don't one of you folks just _write_ something", nobody could be bothered. So I did it. And, yes, it's a lot of work, but it's also something just about any of you could do, if you've written a college-level (or high school-level, depending on the quality of your HS teachers) history paper. Ok, defensive mode over :) The wonderful costumers on this list help inspire me and keep me going when I burn out; you help me solve my problems with collective brainstorming (which is what I think some folks mistake for bickering). I burn out on email, too, but I've been subscribed to this list for a LONG time (I can't remember how long) under various email accounts, and have learned so much here that I just keep coming back. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22385 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:18:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92I2l9015697; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92I1rL018818; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92HQrL018602 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB921ND20868 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:01:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF3FD4A.E5C9DBD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208172326.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:17:46 -0700 Status: RO No luck at the JoAnn's....*sigh*....The selection this year was very small, and most of *that* was a couple of fairly-ugly weaves (for coats or outerwear?), and some pretty dreary navy-pinstripes for business suits of some such. Guess the knotheads figured nobody around here uses wool for anything else (duh! We have several months of winter! sheesh.....) Of course, the number of bolts of polar fleece beggar description....they're piled and over piled in one whole corner of the store. *grump* Although I really didn't have the money, anyways, since I'd just spent a significant wad at the fiber store, buying some lovely threads for tablet-weaving, and for dyeing experiments. I've now got some perle cottons in different thicknesses and pretty colors, and some 50/2 silk (for the tablet weaving), and some droolsome yarn that's 50/50 silk and wool. I ended up using my coupon on a holiday present for a friend.... --sue Kevin + Mara wrote: > > At 10:52 AM 12/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Obligatory Costume Content: Today, I'm off to JoAnn's with my discount > >coupon, to see if they've got any wool (a girl can always hope, huh?), > >and to a local fiber-arts store to buy my tablet-weaving supplies for my > >gothic fitted gown (tm). I'm going to buy some different perle cottons > >to learn on, and some lovely 50/2 silk thread for the actual gown. > >Maybe lots and lots of the silk thread--it's undyed/unbleached, and a > >perfect weight to use for embroidery. And I'm learning from friends > >about natural dyes.... > >--Sue > > Good luck! > My local JoAnn's actually DID have some wool this year, much to my surprise! > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22691 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92V3l9016402; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92V1rL021984; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92UWrL021834 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:30:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB92EUD25162 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:14:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF4005D.F22E2719@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? References: <20021206.132747.-409781.0.catpurson@juno.com> <3DF3FB95.13103.2BA1CF@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:30:53 -0700 Status: RO Similar to "chintz?" I made a mid-17th c. summer dress from chintz one time--it was an unpatterned, crisp, lightweight cotton fabric with a definite..."shine" on one side. I found the fabric in the home-dec section of our JoAnn's. This was several years ago, however, and they no longer sell it, although I don't recall checking their "special orders" book. Mara, have you checked some of the fabric-selling websites that specialize more in home-dec fabrics than apparel fabrics? They might have something.... --sue Jane Williams wrote: > > On 8 Dec 2002 at 10:15, Kevin + Mara wrote: > > > Actually, I'd love to know where one can find polished cotton :D > > > > I was looking for some for a 19th c. project, and we finally found > > some, but most of what I've seen for sale is a poly blend, which is > > just TOO hot... > > I'm not sure if this is the stuff you're talking about, > but I got some cotton with one side looking sort of > shiny from a curtain shop. "Polished" isn't a word > they used but it would be descriptive. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 21:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22719 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92c2l9016646; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB92c1rL023614; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB92b7rL023423 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4870 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 02:37:07 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 02:37:07 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-218.sonic.net [209.148.112.218]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB92b6S13576 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:37:06 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF40234.A9B15A13@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Websites with Victorian and Edwardian jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:38:44 -0800 Status: RO For the past three weeks, I’ve been searching websites that sell antique and/or reproduction Victorian and Edwardian jewelry. This is related to Christmas; I’m having trouble finding anything really suitable for my purposes. I’d actually like to find some additional sites, perhaps for the early 19th century or other eras altogether; recommendations welcome. Anyway, here are some of the sites I’ve been looking at. Classic Jewelry http://www.classic-jewelry.de/ Reproductions of Victorian garnet jewelry. Victorian Jet Works http://www.whitbyjet.co.uk/catalogue/victorian/index.html Reproductions of Victorian jet jewelry. Heritage Jewelry http://www.heritagejewellery.co.uk Antique jewelry. Fay Cullen http://www.faycullen.com Antique and reproduction jewelry. Jane Liunas http://www.jansjewells.com/ Mostly reproductions of Victorian and Art Deco jewelry; some originals. Arnould Jewelers http://www.arnould1900.com/ Art Nouveau style jewelry. Benitez Jewelers http://www.benitezjewelers.com Art Nouveau inspired jewelry. Etruscan Jewelry http://www.il-girasole.com/jewlcatalog.htm Reproductions of Etruscan jewelry; they might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival.. Luna Nuova http://www.lunanuova.com/ Reproductions of Etruscan jewelry; they might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival.. L. Maris http://www.addgr.com/jewel/maris/index.html Classical Greek style jewelry; it might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival. -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 22:20:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22956 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93J2l9018383; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93J0rL003586; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93IDrL003441 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6U00DWL169P8@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:18:05 -0800 Status: RO So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan glazed cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, can the glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness survive the washing machine? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 22:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23049 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93j6l9019329; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93j1rL009643; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB93irrL009603 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6U00ENA2ELQ9@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) In-reply-to: <20021208230534.84526.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208193636.050d41b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:38:11 -0800 Status: RO >I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. >However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone buy, >a 100% cotton jacquard. I find these 'all the time' in the drapery flat-fold section. My corset is made of cotton damask/jacquard. (I usually shop Hancock Fabric Warehouse, and avoid Jo-Anne's.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23116 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:02:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9412l9019915; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9411rL013284; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB940vrL013265 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:00:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209040056.52402.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:00:56 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021208193636.050d41b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:00:56 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. > >However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone > buy, > >a 100% cotton jacquard. > > I find these 'all the time' in the drapery flat-fold > section. My corset is > made of cotton damask/jacquard. (I usually shop > Hancock Fabric Warehouse, > and avoid Jo-Anne's.) I'm in Australia and none of the larger chain fabric retailers has 100% cotton jacquard. It's likely I'd find some in the specialist home decorater stores. However, at an average of 10 metres per dress, it's not likely that I would use it for anything larger than a corset because of the much higher cost involved in purchasing it, going by what I've been told of its cost over there in the US. Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23202 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:27:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94Q1l9020863; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94Q0w6019200; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94PPw6019054 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-4-32.cw2.jps.net ([216.119.4.32] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LFTw-0006H8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:25:24 -0800 Message-ID: <037701c29f3b$ccffd3c0$200477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <005e01c29c93$55ae0a30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <018e01c29d95$d004d220$f52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:29:24 -0800 Status: RO re: From: "Cabbage Rose" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail > I cut fabric with pinkers and sometimes it still frays, particularly over > time. I use fray check in theater, but obviously that did not exist back > then. What kept the pinked edges neat? Better fabrics? A certain weave? > Something I'm missing? Wax was the period equivalent to fray check. In Janet Arnold's Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, pg 182 there is a photo of "black velvet pane in plunderhose worn by Nils Sture. The cut edges of the velvet are waxed to prevent fraying and are held down with catch stitch, c. 1567. Uppsala Cathedral" I have used wax with reasonable success in keeping fingerwoven laces from unraveling. Best to iron seams open before applying the wax though. Obvious warning, but I once learned the hard way that plastic silk screen block out paper melts when run through the photocopier so I thought I would mention it. Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:32:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23224 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94V0l9021044; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94V0w6020337; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94Unw6020306 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-4-32.cw2.jps.net ([216.119.4.32] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LFZA-0004Vy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: <038601c29f3c$92d6ccc0$200477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021209040056.52402.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:36:41 -0800 Status: RO Re: From: "Bella" Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) > > I'm in Australia and none of the larger chain fabric > retailers has 100% cotton jacquard. It's likely I'd > find some in the specialist home decorater stores. > However, at an average of 10 metres per dress, it's > not likely that I would use it for anything larger > than a corset because of the much higher cost involved > in purchasing it, going by what I've been told of its > cost over there in the US. Bella, When I lived in Brisbane Spotlight had a number of white100% cotton jacquards in their upholstry section, some with 15th century motifs and not that pricey when they went on sale. A friend dyed the fabric blue very successfully. It might pay to have a look and see if they still carry the line. Cheers! Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23272 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94j2l9021739; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94j1w6023733; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94iIw6023556 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AFA1CF1A026C; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:44:17 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AFA1F6E00DC; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:44:17 -0600 Message-ID: <007b01c29f3d$a71cd020$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:44:25 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, I am always the first person to ask questions in what ever kind of learning environment I am in. When in college I always asked to present my projects/presentations first. I wanted to get it over with because if I sat there, I would get nervous and not listen to what everyone else's presentation. I wanted to enjoy everyone else's presentations. When I was in classes, I would ask questions as I thought of them. If I didn't, I would forget them. I never had an instructor complain. Usually my questions are related to that I didn't understand something. Some physicians really don't like for you to do this, but what the hell, it is my money I am spending. If I don't understand what a word means, I will ask in a heartbeat. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23278 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94jEl9021755; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:45:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94jDw6023785; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94ivw6023704 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:44:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-4-32.cw2.jps.net ([216.119.4.32] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LFmq-0003t2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: <039a01c29f3e$8c157380$200477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0397_01C29EFB.7D2127E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] seeking website address for turned spindle Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:50:49 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0397_01C29EFB.7D2127E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! Sometime ago I can across an internet site dealing with a spindle from = the renaissance time period I believe, that was turned and did not = require a whorl. It contained, perhaps and Italian painting of a noble = woman using the spindle in the middle of a crowd. I can't seem to find = it anywhere now. Can anyone direct me towards the site? Thanks, Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0397_01C29EFB.7D2127E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!
 
Sometime ago I can across an internet = site dealing=20 with a spindle from the renaissance time period I believe, that was = turned and=20 did not require a whorl.  It contained, perhaps and Italian = painting of a=20 noble woman using the spindle in the middle of a crowd.  I can't = seem to=20 find it anywhere now.  Can anyone direct me towards the = site?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Lisa Sinervo
Threadneedle St. = Clothiers
www.ThreadneedleSt.com<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0397_01C29EFB.7D2127E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 8 23:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23304 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:49:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94n0l9022012; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB94n0w6024864; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12001.mail.yahoo.com (web12001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB94msw6024812 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:48:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209044854.29228.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.240] by web12001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:48:54 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] paned sleeves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:48:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Please send me a copy too of the notes you took on the 17c paned sleeves. I'm going to ask Cassandra Greer to send me a copy of the Munich catalog as soon as I pay off the furnace repairs next week and then I want to start a copy of the woman's paned doublet. I figure all those panes will be good stuck inside winter work so am looking for all the info on paning I can get. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 00:03:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23351 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:03:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9532l9022658; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9530w6028054; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB952Rw6027901 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120905022100100po55le>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:02:22 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208202614.00a1c5e0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. In-Reply-To: <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:52:32 -0800 Status: RO I have plans for the new year. First I have to make my sister a graduation dress. It is going to be the alter years Irish dress in turquoise raw silk over a bright yellow leine with lots of gold and purple trim and little turquoise mirror pieces. I like to think of it as renn faire weird. Next I have to make my daughter a white tutu with gold trim, which is mostly done except for the bodice. Once I get those out of the way, I have to make myself an Elizabethan court outfit. I am planning on using Margo's patterns. I have to have it done by St Patrick's day so I need to get busy. I want to experiment with doing machine embroidery and then embellishing with stones and pearls on top of the embroidery. I have not figured it out beyond the under garments, but I am planning on using what I have. I only know that I want a partlet and it is going to have a french hood. I also think that I need a cape since it snowed last year at the Angel's Camp faire. I have some heavy weight linen that I want to dye a dark green unless the people on this group say that it can't be that color. I bow to your experience. It seems to me, that the best arrangement would be to make something that is closed all the way around and only opens at the top. Is that impossibly not period? I would also like to make my son a Japanese outfit like the one in the picture that someone here pointed me to. It was very cool. For now, that is enough for me. I still have unfinished tutus lurking in the background... I have pretty much limited myself to linen for my costumes. I have been lucky to find it for reasonable prices (less than five dollars a yard). Since I have been blessed with an excess of waist and a wild foray into the change of life to put it euphemistically, I have a very low tolerance for heat. In full Elizabethan I can only tolerate to wear linen. At casa de fruita (renn faire disney), it got up to 105 in some of the buildings. I was comfortable in my linen. You can recognize me in regular clothes. I am the one wearing a t-shirt and sandals when everyone else has a sweater and coat. maryann At 11:13 PM 12/7/2002 -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >I have a couple of projects that I have been too busy to get to for at least >12 months now: > >A bliaut (in rust colored wool crepe) with a gold kirtle > >A 1840's ball gown, in pale blue satin with a bertha of ivory-colored Alencon >lace (machine made but still quite nice). > >At the rate I'm going at work, though, I wouldn't bet on my chances of >getting >either done in 2003.... > >Cathy Raymond > >"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." > --Flannery O'Connor > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 00:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23369 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95B1l9023064; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95B0w6029981; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95A3w6029715 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002120905095700300cuh88e>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:09:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208205839.00a39a30@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <001d01c29b37$be95f380$01fea8c0@vaio> References: <4.3.1.2.20021202002823.00cb9210@mail.frys.com> <00a201c299de$37e43f90$a7c0adcb@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:00:08 -0800 Status: RO there is fabric on e-bay that says it is 1750s. Is this even possible? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=927744232&category=2222 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 00:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23373 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95B7l9023088; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95B7w6000114; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95Apw6029927 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5DA75950270; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:10:50 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5DB3FE0246; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:10:51 -0600 Message-ID: <008401c29f41$5d2cc160$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> <200212081903.11871.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:10:59 -0500 Status: RO Just because you are not degreed does not me that you are not smart and have something to contribute. My father and my husband's father had to quit school in second grade. They taught themselves everything they knew for their professionals. I consider both of them very intelligent. I learned how to research and document from doing genealogy. No degree to my name are that time. I combed through so many libraries and courthouses archives. And if you are nice enough to the powers-to-be, they will grant you special favors... like getting into rare archives. When I go to Costume Society meetings I feel like I can hold my own, and 90% of them have upper degrees. I started in CSA when in college and went to my first national symposium. That was when I met Valerie Steele and we chit-chatted for 45 minutes because we were both bored of the presentation at the time. One thing I have learned is just because someone holds a high position in a job/club or has a number of degrees does not make them better than you. I just look at them all like they are just people and treat them the way I want to be treated. The same goes when we attend these fancy balls. Heck, my 11 y.o. daughter was talking to these high society people about the elegant ladies room. She worked the room with this discussion and even talked with the local news people about it.... it was a very nice lounge. My point is education comes in many ways, some formal, some not. But if you have the desire is there, you will learn. Another thing to remember is that a lot of costumers are computer techs and do costuming on the side. Lastly, only 10% of the people in the U.S. have a college degree... a good many of them do not even work in the field of their major. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23553 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:00:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95x3l9024970; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95x0w6011504; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB95wUw6011366 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6U00KF18LFD7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:58:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) In-reply-to: <20021209040056.52402.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208213947.05035d40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021208193636.050d41b0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:46:03 -0800 Status: RO > > >I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. > > >However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone > > buy, > > >a 100% cotton jacquard. > > > > I find these 'all the time' in the drapery flat-fold > > section. My corset is > > made of cotton damask/jacquard. (I usually shop > > Hancock Fabric Warehouse, > > and avoid Jo-Anne's.) > >I'm in Australia Innilguard? >and none of the larger chain fabric >retailers has 100% cotton jacquard. It's likely I'd >find some in the specialist home decorater stores. >However, at an average of 10 metres per dress, it's >not likely that I would use it for anything larger >than a corset because of the much higher cost involved >in purchasing it, going by what I've been told of its >cost over there in the US. I'm finding it at maybe $3-$4/yd, American, and usually in 1-4 yard remnants. If I looked I could find enough to do a whole dress, as sometimes it comes in sufficiently long single pieces or in enough smaller ones. But even smaller pieces can do for sleeves, corsets, or doublets, which is what I usually do with them. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23563 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:01:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9611l9025039; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9611w6012053; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB960Rw6011880 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from p1140-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.196.124] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18LGxt-0008E2-00; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:00:26 +1300 Message-ID: <00c401c29f48$454e5b60$7cc4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> <30d$NaC+L589IwBl@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:00:25 +1300 Status: RO > I've generally found that Dylon dye-stripper won't take out much except > Dylon dye. It works to strip and re-dye something you home-dyed in the > first place, but it doesn't usually work on something you bought > coloured. I suppose it's probably not vicious enough to take out the > kind of evil industrial chemicals they can use to dye in the > manufacturing process. But I've had it succesfully take out all the dye from store bought silk. It might also as I said before require a few extra sessions if the dye is particularly set. The only reason I bought my 10m of screaming fuschia silk chiffon was the hope that the dylon pre dye would remove the colour and it did. I now have 10 yards of silvery white silk chiffon. Two pots were needed as I bought two 5m lots of the fabric. And as silk chiffon is very light... yeah I think that others might find success if they try a few times:) It's really funky stuff, the water goes yellow and as the dye comes out of the fabric it doesn't change the water. For the saree though the dye leeched into the water in the first batch so I poured the water out dried the fabric and then did it again. This time no leeching of the dye, but a little of the print stayed. I suspct though I could get more out if I did it again. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23579 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:07:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9662l9025356; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9661w6013162; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB965mw6013111 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:05:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021209060547.CIRM2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:05:47 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021208230534.84526.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 06:05:17 -0000 Status: RO On 9 Dec 2002 at 10:05, Bella wrote: > I've heard people complain about the heat factor of > poly/cotton before, so I hope you all don't mind if I > share my experience with poly/cotton. > > I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. > However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone buy, > a 100% cotton jacquard. Silk brocades are right out of > my price range. So I mostly use poly/cotton jaquards. And that brought it home to me just how much I don't know. Appreciating the level of my ignorance is no doubt a step forward, but how to take the next step? Can anyone recommend a work of reference, whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell me what all these types of fabric are, how to recognise them, how to use them, when they were in use, and so on? (I suspect the only really useful reference would be one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that doesn't sound likely.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23603 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96D1l9025687; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96D0w6014891; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96C8w6014543 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.3.195] (helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LH9D-0004Zt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:12:07 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c29f4a$bbabf400$c30377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021206184052.42487.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:17:33 -0800 Status: RO Re: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Rose Jones" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? > I think there's plenty of room for posting things that one isn't 100% > air-tight sure about -- I think it's just a matter of distinguishing > the different types of information clearly. People might get riled > up if one posted, "Peasants in Lower Slobovia wore socks on their > heads" whereas a posting along the lines of , "I've seen some > illustrations of peasants in Lower Slobovia with something on their > heads that looks remarkably similar to a sock" might provoke an > enthusiastic thread about hat construction and Slobovian footwear > styles. > If someone said to me "Peasants in Lower Slobovia wore socks on their heads" I would say "Oh, how interesting, please tell me more" and I would await the details. If another said, "I've seen some illustrations of peasants in Lower Slobovia with something on their heads that looks remarkably similar to a sock" I would say "Oh, how interesting, please tell me more" And that is because I am interested in costuming and in learning what another has to say about their discoveries. It does not matter to me that the presenter, for whatever reason, has chosen not to speak in the academic equivalent of psychobabble, especially in this type of forum. It is also a matter of being gracious. I might feel more at ease and the information might flow more quickly when I am having a discussion with someone who shares my communication style, but that does not mean someone coming from another angle doesn't have something valuable to contribute or might benefit from info I could share if I didn't reject them in the first instance. Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23611 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96G2l9025890; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96G1w6015960; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96FAw6015696 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021209061503.ODGK2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:15:03 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining Message-ID: <000001c29f0a$70427c90$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:37:44 -0500 Status: RO I once got a huge bolt of dark blue glazed chintz at a going-out-of-business sale. (It was only $10, so how could I refuse?) I used it for fancy table cloths and other soft furnishings for feasts and large parties. I've washed the table cloths 4 or 5 times now, and found eventually the glazing does slowly come off. Until then it was perfect, unless somebody really spilled something icky I could just wipe them off with a damp cloth and they were fine. The cotton fabric itself is a pretty good quality, so as yet I don't have to iron them before using them. (When that day comes, I'll have to rethink this plan!) Best of all, candle wax could be picked right off with no real damage to the cloth. I have no idea how one would glaze fabric at home. I can't think of anything, wax or starch, that would have been available to 1800's people that we could make work easily for us today. Of course they had a method of doing this, but perhaps it's one of those things that requires special tools or machinery to accomplish? I have an old household recipe book from the 1870's, I'll see if it says anything about this, but I won't have time to look until tomorrow. Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan glazed cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, can the glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness survive the washing machine? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23664 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96V2l9026293; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96V1w6019478; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96UHw6019230 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:30:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.3.195] (helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LHQl-0004Rt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:30:16 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c29f4d$40a5c8a0$c30377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:36:04 -0800 Status: RO I would recommending going to a nice department store and selecting a number of garments of different fibres and trying them on. You could even do some jumping jacks in the dressing room and work up a bit of a sweat. The problem with synthetic fibres is they do not absorbe much water due to their molecular structure so sweat does not get to the outside air as easily, so it does not evaporate which cools down the body temperature. Information on fibre properties is available on line and in 1st year textbooks on textiles. Keywords internet search is "fibre properties" or "fabric properties". I lived in a hot and humid climate not so long ago and had ONLY natural fibres, as a consequence, I often looked rumpled. Polyester heat sets very well and resists wrinkling, but it wasn't enough of a trade off for me. Your main natural fibres are cotton, linen, wool & silk, mohair. Rayon/viscos is a synthetic fabric, but is made from wood cellulose and thus absorbs moisture well, so I think of it as a natural fibre. Ramie is also a "bast of plant" fibre like linen and is super absorbent. Polyester, acrylic, nylon, Olefin and acetate are all synthetic and don't "breath" very well. Fabric properties are strength, elasticity, absorbency, wrinkle resistance etc... I'll stop here as I just had a quick look on a search engine and there are oodles of sites to look at. Cheers, Lisa Sinervo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Williams" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc > On 9 Dec 2002 at 10:05, Bella wrote: > > > I've heard people complain about the heat factor of > > poly/cotton before, so I hope you all don't mind if I > > share my experience with poly/cotton. > > > > I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. > > However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone buy, > > a 100% cotton jacquard. Silk brocades are right out of > > my price range. So I mostly use poly/cotton jaquards. > > And that brought it home to me just how much I don't > know. Appreciating the level of my ignorance is no > doubt a step forward, but how to take the next step? > > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, > whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell > me what all these types of fabric are, how to > recognise them, how to use them, when they were in > use, and so on? > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be > one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that > doesn't sound likely.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 01:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23757 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:43:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96h2l9026649; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96h1w6022083; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB96gVw6021949 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6U005W0AMU5Q@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: beginner resources (was Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc In-reply-to: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021208222459.04bd2100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021208230534.84526.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:41:15 -0800 Status: RO > > I wear linen camicias mostly. I have one in cotton. > > However, for outerwear I've yet to see, let alone buy, > > a 100% cotton jacquard. Silk brocades are right out of > > my price range. So I mostly use poly/cotton jaquards. > >And that brought it home to me just how much I don't >know. Appreciating the level of my ignorance is no >doubt a step forward, but how to take the next step? > >Can anyone recommend a work of reference, >whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell >me what all these types of fabric are, how to >recognise them, how to use them, when they were in >use, and so on? The 'when they were in use' part is tricky, but the rest is relatively easy. >(I suspect the only really useful reference would be >one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that >doesn't sound likely.) One way might be to take an adult education class in sewing. Another might be to go to a really classy fabric store, and ask somebody to show you the various kinds of fabrics. If you go at a time when they're not too busy, they might just oblige you. Make a list of names of kinds of fabrics you want to be shown, and that might help. My favorite book for beginners (I use my copy for reference, since I don't know everything either) is that Reader's Digest book of sewing. It doesn't assume you know anything, so it starts out with tons of basic stuff, fully illustrated. And that's just the front of the book. The whole back part is the how-to section, with illustrations that I suspect would make sense to any person who already sews, and maybe even people who don't yet. For example, I wanted to put a welt pocket in something, in the middle of the night, but couldn't remember how. This book had the kind I wanted, with step-by-step illustrations and text, plus two other kinds as well. There are a couple of different editions of this one, and they often show up used. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 02:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02783 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:19:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97J2l9027618; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97J1w6000126; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97I8w6029844 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:18:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-99-192.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.99.192]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL84936; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:16:01 GMT Message-ID: <00ba01c29f53$ac6fb860$e9674ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <00a401c29ddb$ab1e8d20$97725651@bella> <3DF3FA60.31473.26E82E@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:22:03 -0000 Status: RO >Several re-enactment groups, I think. The Ermine Street Guard Most don't have civilian women, I did a quick look for Alex Cromm's group who do on the web, but couldn't find a web page her email appears quite often so it might be with dropping her a line Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 02:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04100 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97L1l9027672; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97L1w6000697; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97Jaw6000302 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-99-192.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.99.192]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANL84962; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:17:37 GMT Message-ID: <00bf01c29f53$e5fd9b60$e9674ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> <30d$NaC+L589IwBl@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <00c401c29f48$454e5b60$7cc4adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:23:40 -0000 Status: RO >But I've had it succesfully take out all the dye from store bought silk. It might also as I said before require a few extra sessions if the dye is particularly set. Silk is not as fast as cotton, ie the dye does cannot make such a strong chemical bons, therefore the best dyed silk will be easier to remove colour from than the best dyed coton Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 02:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04855 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:23:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97MOl9027699; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:22:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97MOw6000984; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:22:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97Kiw6000629 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from valadan (c17417.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.162.24]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB97KcN13442 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +1100 Message-ID: <028d01c29f53$6e113a80$18a231d2@valadan> From: "Baralier" To: References: <20021208123856.46203.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Baralier's web site, was Re: [h-cost] OT, but NOT a food question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:19:17 +1100 Status: RO From: "N Kipar" > --- Baralier wrote: > > > > > As I'm sure happens when the discussion involves the minutae of 17th > > century panniers if you have no interest in that area. Or the dyeing > > of fabrics... > > *winks* 18th century, 18th... *thinks* Thought that had panniers in late 17th C. also. My mistake. > Anyway, I have been spending some time looking through your web site, when taht > was suggested (hadn't seen your link in the first place) and I am enjoying > myself immensely. GREAT photos of SUPER costumes! May I plug your site? > > http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder/ Please do. I've had your site on my links for some years. > It did crash my Netscape 7 and Internet Explorer, but works fine on Netscape > 4.7. Go figure *G* I believe the gif header plays havock with some browsers. Works fine on IE6 & Netsccape 6 too. > Nicole - who was a Goth herself once upon a time from 17 onwards but kinda > stopped at 20 coz of realising that she loved the colours and clothes, but was > bored by the philosophy behind it. Whoops. :-) There's a philosophy to Goth? *thinks* Oh yeah, snakebite, clothes, music, angst and dethchyx. Not necessarily in that order :-) Baralier -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 02:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10148 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97V1l9028076; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97V0w6002898; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB97UVw6002785 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:30:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212090730.gB97UVw6002785@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc57 (rwcrwbc57.attbi.com[204.127.198.46]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021209073026053002j6vje>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:30:26 +0000 Received: from [67.3.56.167] by rwcrwbc57; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:30:17 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] paned sleeves X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: R2lhX0dhdmlub0BhdHRiaS5jb20= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:30:17 +0000 Status: RO Oh dear! I've been so busy that I've been just deleting by subject line...and this subject line really caught my attention! So, if this was mentioned in an email where the subject line wasn't changed, I've really missed out on some great info! Rats! Whoever did the notes on 17th c paned sleeves, I'd be interested in a copy too! I don't know how much or who or when, but I'm always interested in learning more! Gia/Giacinta > Please send me a copy too of the notes you took on the > 17c paned sleeves. I'm going to ask Cassandra Greer > to send me a copy of the Munich catalog as soon as I > pay off the furnace repairs next week and then I want > to start a copy of the woman's paned doublet. I > figure all those panes will be good stuck inside > winter work so am looking for all the info on paning I > can get. > Cassandra > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32480 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9837l9029117; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9831w6009155; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB982Kw6009026 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AE0BB2BB0270; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:02:19 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE0659D0222; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:02:14 -0600 Message-ID: <02a101c29f59$4ea46ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] January Classes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:02:23 -0500 Status: RO We have six classes that will be taught year round at the Costume Classroom www.costumeclassroom.com . Starting Jan. 13, you can start these classes at any time. You will have two months to complete the class. You may enroll in the class at anytime, then when you are ready to start the class, just email me. When you enroll you do not need to let me know when you want to start. Below are the year round classes. Classes being taught by h-costume members are named in ( ). *** Beginning Sewing (Liz Gerds) *** Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: Ladies Strapless Stays *** Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: Pet-en-l'air or Robe à la Française *** Dressing Jane Austen: Making Your Own Regency Gown (Jennie Chancey) *** Clone Yourself: Making A Paper Tape Dressform (Stephen Bergdahl) *** Clone Yourself: Intro to Slopers (Stephen Bergdahl) REGULAR CLASSES STARTING IN JANUARY 2003 *** 16th Century Women (class is full) (Drea Leed) *** Cowgirls and Shady Ladies History (Marna Jean Davis) *** Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Under Garments (Stephen Bergdahl) *** Fact or Fantasy? A Look at Costumes in Recent Regency Film Adaptations (Jennie Chancey) *** Elizabethan Glove Making: Make your own pair of gloves (Franchesca Havas) Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12769 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:18:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98I2l9029465; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98I1w6012192; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98H8w6012031 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:17:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212090817.gB98H8w6012031@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc58 (rwcrwbc58.attbi.com[204.127.198.47]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002120908170305100jee1re>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:17:03 +0000 Received: from [67.3.56.167] by rwcrwbc58; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:17:00 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: R2lhX0dhdmlub0BhdHRiaS5jb20= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:17:00 +0000 Status: RO Hi! I don't know if hedgehogs do, but I think Threadneedle Street does, and they have a website too! Denise is wonderful and if she doesn't what you need, she's great at finding it. www.Threadneedlestreet.com I'm not sure about the case sensitivity...but I know I spelled it right! Gia/Giacinta a very happy customer.. > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet that > close together. > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery hoops > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another alternative? > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand owing > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > >Only $9.95 per month! > >Visit www.juno.com > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19761 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:26:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98Q1l9029756; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98Q0w6014053; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB98Puw6014033 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:25:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209082555.36512.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:25:55 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00ba01c29f53$ac6fb860$e9674ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Several re-enactment groups, I think. The Ermine > Street Guard Do not meddle with the Vermine Street Guard, not ever, this is my recommendation. Not because of the individual members - not going to slander anyone here, don't mind them - but I am afraid their 'glorious leader' has shown himself as being a megalomaniac. That's my personal recommendation, and based on experience, but someone might think the opposite. (maybe, very very maybe) Legio II Augusta has its own female section and they do a lot, it is called Domina. The URL for Legio II is: http://www.legiiavg.org.uk/ They seem to be quite friendly from experience. The friendliest and loveliest of them all are the 'blue ones' I think it is Legio IX or so? demmit, I can't remember, sorry... have to ask Les next time I see him. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23381 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:30:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98THl9029933; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98TGw6014739; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:29:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98R6w6014278 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:27:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01282 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:35:59 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc In-Reply-To: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:35:59 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, whether on-line, printed, or > whatever, that would tell me what all these types of fabric are, how > to recognise them, how to use them, when they were in use, and so on? > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be one that came > with fabric samples to feel, but that doesn't sound likely.) I've actually heard of such a book. It was mentioned on this list a couple years back. I believe this is it: All About Silk: A Fabric Dictionary & Swatchbook (Fabric Reference Series, Volume 1) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096376120X/qid=1039422052/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5976763-3844865?v=glance&s=books It's part of a series; there's a wool book and a cotton book too. At $35 a pop, it's maybe a little much to spend to buy the whole line, but a cool thought nonetheless. The Amazon reviews are useful. If the person who recommended this to the list originally is still on the list, perhaps s/he will add some more concrete informatin. There are also a couple of online fabric/fashion dictionaries. I don't have the URLs on hand; I'd have to do some hunting, and it's 2:20 a.m. so I'm not going to now. Perhaps this description will ring a bell for someone else who does have the information handy. (And by this post I hope also to demonstrate that it's perfectly fine to post a reply to a question when you don't quite know the answer but have some contributing information, and you hope by adding some hints and recollections that you'll spur someone else to help fill in the rest of the blanks. Lord knows I constantly post on this list with statements like "I think I read once that XYZ... anyone know more about that?") --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27840 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98Y2l9000209; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98Y1w6015797; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB98Xaw6015699 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:33:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209083336.78385.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:33:36 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <028d01c29f53$6e113a80$18a231d2@valadan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Baralier's web site Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:33:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Baralier wrote: > > *thinks* Thought that had panniers in late 17th C. also. My mistake. Nah, but don't worry 'bout it. What was worn underneath a mantua was a pad that looks cannily a lot like a bustle pad. I should really get a photo taken of mine, looks so stupid. ;-) The extension in that period is towards the back, not the sides. Side-extensions come definitely after my period, and I have to ask now the 18th century enthusiasts: when did the gowns widen to the side in the 18th century? > > http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder/ > > Please do. I've had your site on my links for some years. Thank you very much ;-) I had another look, and I must say, the BloodBride costume is breathtaking. Lots of others too, but that one I can't get out of my mind. Wow! > There's a philosophy to Goth? *thinks* Oh yeah, snakebite, clothes, > music, angst and dethchyx. Not necessarily in that order :-) *GRINS* yep, too much angst for lil ol manic-depressive me. Also, while I love black, white, blood red and the occasional tad of purple, I realised that I could wear 'real' historical costumes or historicised ones without the white make-up. *winks* Apart from that some of the music I used to listen to DID make me depressed after a while and I like Baroque music, Lully, Purcell, Vivaldi, Bach, Geminiani, Scarlatti, Haendel, etc. so much more. Still, I have the fondest memories of those four years and the night clubs I went to, back in the days when I was thin and young enough to go out in nothing but high heeled boots, corset, elbow length gloves, black pantie-thingy and a net skirty thing over it and lots of make-up. Nicole - lost in memories of a superb figure *laughs* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:43:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05489 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98g2l9000571; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98g0w6017432; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB98fCw6017257 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:41:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209084112.1914.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:41:12 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:41:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Jane Williams wrote: > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be > one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that > doesn't sound likely.) Jane, I am happy to offer you a fondle-and-wear test for different fabrics. All my underdresses are linen (mainly coz it's cheap here, I love it, and I have problems with other fibres) but I have also a cotton one you could try on, and for comparison a huge polyester shirt you could try and bounce about in to work up a sweat or so. I might also have some old polycotton thingy around in the loan kit bag. Shall I take all of that to 12th night perhaps? I'm happy to do that and come early or so. I have a real problem with non natural fibres, didn't used to, but it got so much worse. I can't even bear wearing tights, unless they are almost completely cotton and even then it feels pretty sticky. It's weird, but even when I wear the huge polyester shirt, I feel icky and sticky, even when worn over a t-shirt. I really do think that having problems with sweating in non natural fibres or not is a very individual thing on top of the climate of course. Nicole - as usual completely in cotton and wool at work ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 03:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14696 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:56:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98t2l9000925; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB98t1w6020214; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB98sMw6020095 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:54:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:47:16 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208205839.00a39a30@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:47:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- MaryAnn Jones wrote: > there is fabric on e-bay that says it is 1750s. Is this even possible? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=927744232&category=2222 Yes I think it very well is, and I know that the seller has been selling a lot of stunning antiques in the past year. BUT I would never ever buy this piece of silk even if I had the money, the rot has set in so badly that it has already holes: once silk has started to rot there is nothing one can do other than slowing the process: it WILL rot no matter. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 04:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28351 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9962l9001404; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9960w6022411; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB995Cw6022280 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F0981E2261; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:05:10 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021209090510.3F0981E2261@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:05:10 GMT Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > Jane, I am happy to offer you a fondle-and-wear test for different fabrics. Now *there's* the ideal solution! One-to-one tuition: what could be better? Nichole, you're wonderful! > Shall I take all of that to 12th night perhaps? I'm happy to > do > that and come early or so. Sadly I won't be at Twelfth Night, but I will be at Winter (next weekend) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 04:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02984 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB99F5l9001791; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB99F2w6024365; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB99E7w6024124 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:14:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209091406.73222.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:14:06 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Websites with Victorian and Edwardian jewelry To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF40234.A9B15A13@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Lavolta Press wrote: > Thanks Fran, great links, I bookmarked them all because one never knows. > Etruscan Jewelry > http://www.il-girasole.com/jewlcatalog.htm > Reproductions of Etruscan jewelry; they might appeal to those who like > Etruscan Revival.. Lovely, lovely lovely! > L. Maris > http://www.addgr.com/jewel/maris/index.html > Classical Greek style jewelry; it might appeal to those who like > Etruscan Revival. OHMYGOODNESS!!! I think I gasped in an overabundance of pleasure and then cried because of the prices. Oh my is that beautiful, but several thousand dollars are just not in my league, there's a new car I need to buy eventually... *sigh* Nicole - who wants a Greek necklace instead! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 06:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03707 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:19:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9BI5l9005928; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9BI0w6017683; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9BHSw6017552 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 04:17:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209111728.48422.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:17:28 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] My booklet is out! -- (i.e., this year's projects, was next year's projects) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208185829.01f2c510@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Kevin + Mara wrote: > Since I mentioned this in another post... Pardon me, folks, for blowing my > own horn just a little! Congtaulations! I may not do 18th c. (yet..) but I am definitely interested in the booklet, and like Drea's one, this one will surely one day be added to my costume book stash (read: BIG stash). Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 07:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04002 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:10:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9C93l9007221; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9C90w6027552; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9C8Qw6027430 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from valadan (c17417.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.162.24]) by mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB9C8Kt31181 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:08:20 +1100 Message-ID: <002601c29f7b$9f4f18b0$18a231d2@valadan> From: "Baralier" To: References: <001001c29ec5$3e2f5330$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re: H-Costume list (was Exchanging files etc) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:07:29 +1100 Status: RO From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > >You are making me wish we had a better way of exchanging drawings as > >we may be saying the same thing! > > I was just thinking the same thing. I guess there is nothing that > prevents us from starting an H-Cost group on Yahoo or some other host > just to take advantage of the file exchange stuff. One exists already (thought it isn't active) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/h-costume/ Baralier -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 07:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04356 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:58:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9CvPl9008431; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9CvNw6007510; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9CuWw6007319 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A1CA5901C4; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c29f82$cc460160$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <20021208.153407.-211469.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:59:22 -0500 Status: RO I have a lot of hoops and varieties of threads and frames and other embroidery tools. What is a 'giraffe' and do I need one to complete my work space.? This is a new term for me! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt > And who likes spiky bits in their feet anyway? > > Poor giraffe. ;) > > Arlys > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Jean Waddie > writes: > > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet > > that > > close together. > > > > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps > > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > > hoops > > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > > alternative? > > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand > > owing > > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > >Visit www.juno.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > > Jean Waddie > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04425 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9D92l9008837; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9D91w6010135; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9D7Hw6009774 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A44F82701A4; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:02:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c29f84$4cb7ab40$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <7F170921.34AC662E.00862037@aol.com> <3DF181C4.FDD17762@lavoltapress.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208172326.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:10:07 -0500 Status: RO On authenticity, might I ask if any of you have delved into Ann Hollander's "Seeing Through Clothes"? I was gifted with this wonderful book early in my costume career and it helped me to develop new directions in making wiser choices for both theatrical and Historical costuming. Her comments on authenticity were greatly to the point. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin + Mara" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? > At 10:52 AM 12/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello the list, from cold, foggy Montana! > > > >I agree...with Fran's comment, and with the person whom she's quoting. > >However, I don't think that those who are more into authenticity should > >have to apologize, either. I really get tired of being referred to as a > >"cosack" or "nazi" or any other disparaging term that somehow seems > >designed to make me feel like I'm some sort of stereotypical > >fun-stealer. > > Me, too! > I want to know the 'authentic' way to do things so I can, if I choose to, > or so that I can figure out an appropriate way to 'fudge' it and still get > the right look, if I want to do that. But how else can you figure out the > latter, if you don't know the former? > > >Obligatory Costume Content: Today, I'm off to JoAnn's with my discount > >coupon, to see if they've got any wool (a girl can always hope, huh?), > >and to a local fiber-arts store to buy my tablet-weaving supplies for my > >gothic fitted gown (tm). I'm going to buy some different perle cottons > >to learn on, and some lovely 50/2 silk thread for the actual gown. > >Maybe lots and lots of the silk thread--it's undyed/unbleached, and a > >perfect weight to use for embroidery. And I'm learning from friends > >about natural dyes.... > >--Sue > > Good luck! > My local JoAnn's actually DID have some wool this year, much to my surprise! > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04433 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:10:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DA1l9008898; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DA0w6010365; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9D9jw6010296 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m74.in-tch.com [216.166.191.74]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB9CrhD22849 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:53:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 06:10:07 -0700 Status: RO I believe it's a mechanical process, involving heat and pressure. There are some really cool examples of glazed wools in my books on clothing from the 18th c., and I *think* the books talk about the glazing process as well. Doesn't mean, of course, that modern glazed cottons aren't done differently....It may very well be one of those finishes that sticks around if you dry clean the stuff, but not if you regular-wash it. Oh....and if anyone finds a source for glazed cotton, I'd love to know! I need some to line a carraco jacket.... --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan glazed > cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, can the > glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness survive the > washing machine? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04686 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DP8l9009630; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:25:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DP2w6013980; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DNxw6013675 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A83AA001C4; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c29f86$a237dfc0$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <3DF40234.A9B15A13@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Websites with Victorian and Edwardian jewelry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:26:50 -0500 Status: RO Fran, I have been finding some interesting sets for these time periods in Art and Artifact and Toscano catalogues. The designs are credible, although I could wish the stones were of a slightly better quality. At least they are glass(albeit with some iridescence). Kathleen www.Design Toscano.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Websites with Victorian and Edwardian jewelry For the past three weeks, I've been searching websites that sell antique and/or reproduction Victorian and Edwardian jewelry. This is related to Christmas; I'm having trouble finding anything really suitable for my purposes. I'd actually like to find some additional sites, perhaps for the early 19th century or other eras altogether; recommendations welcome. Anyway, here are some of the sites I've been looking at. Classic Jewelry http://www.classic-jewelry.de/ Reproductions of Victorian garnet jewelry. Victorian Jet Works http://www.whitbyjet.co.uk/catalogue/victorian/index.html Reproductions of Victorian jet jewelry. Heritage Jewelry http://www.heritagejewellery.co.uk Antique jewelry. Fay Cullen http://www.faycullen.com Antique and reproduction jewelry. Jane Liunas http://www.jansjewells.com/ Mostly reproductions of Victorian and Art Deco jewelry; some originals. Arnould Jewelers http://www.arnould1900.com/ Art Nouveau style jewelry. Benitez Jewelers http://www.benitezjewelers.com Art Nouveau inspired jewelry. Etruscan Jewelry http://www.il-girasole.com/jewlcatalog.htm Reproductions of Etruscan jewelry; they might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival.. Luna Nuova http://www.lunanuova.com/ Reproductions of Etruscan jewelry; they might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival.. L. Maris http://www.addgr.com/jewel/maris/index.html Classical Greek style jewelry; it might appeal to those who like Etruscan Revival. -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:26:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04692 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:26:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DPJl9009638; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DPIw6014058; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:25:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DOgw6013876 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id FAA08205 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:46:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up with enough CDs to do the project. If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: Lee Thompson-Herbert 4600 Belfast Avenue Oakland, CA 94619 USA The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a battered up collander so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting pieces for it. He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he should pass along any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole thing should be quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until May to get everything together. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04783 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:29:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DT2l9009767; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DT1w6014860; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DS9w6014653 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m74.in-tch.com [216.166.191.74]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB9DC6D28483 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:12:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF49A7F.C4595B59@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric References: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 06:28:31 -0700 Status: RO What a shame....if it were in better shape, I can just *see* Bjarne buying it for something....somehow, those flowers really reminded me of the embroidery he does sometimes! --sue N Kipar wrote: > > --- MaryAnn Jones wrote: > there is fabric on e-bay that > says it is 1750s. Is this even possible? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=927744232&category=2222 > > Yes I think it very well is, and I know that the seller has been selling a lot > of stunning antiques in the past year. BUT I would never ever buy this piece of > silk even if I had the money, the rot has set in so badly that it has already > holes: once silk has started to rot there is nothing one can do other than > slowing the process: it WILL rot no matter. > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04830 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Df5l9010163; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Df3w6017513; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DeBw6017336 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:40:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB9Dh1F12925.; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:43:01 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:40:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB9DeBw6017336 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:39:59 +0000 Status: RO Jane Williams wrote: >I'm not sure if this is the stuff you're talking about, >but I got some cotton with one side looking sort of >shiny from a curtain shop. "Polished" isn't a word >they used but it would be descriptive. So did I, and they called it cotton chintz. I'd always thought of chintz as a printed fabric, but these were plain. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04840 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:44:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Di1l9010340; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Di0w6018201; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9DhIw6018012 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LOBq-00012E-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 05:43:18 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <000001c29f88$fcf8d610$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of painted/printed-was: fabric georgian painted fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:43:42 -0700 Status: RO Yes, absolutely-Painted silk was common and there are plenty examples of cotton as well. Fashion in Detail has several examples of each from this era. Even some metallic polka dots! And remember Drea's example of printed blackwork from even earlier. Which brings up another history question. I recently visited the local Phoenix Art museum which has a small be decent fashion collection. They had a number of Fortuny gowns on display and the literature said he had based his work on Byzantine and (Rats, can't remember) textiles. He used a method of stenciling with paint and paste on velvet which looks very much like embroidery. How far back can we go with painted fabric? I vaguely remember that one of Elizabeth's dresses from QEWU was painted-Rainbow dress? (too lazy to go look right now). It is the very colorful one with all the fantastic animals on it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 08:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04920 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ds2l9010909; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ds1w6020750; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Drqw6020659 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:53:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB9DrmYn020630 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:53:48 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request Message-ID: <20021209135346.GG5308@net.indra.com> References: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:53:46 -0700 Status: RO Do they have to be AOL cds, or will any old cds work for you? ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 09:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04952 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9E03l9011160; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9E01w6022320; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Dxgw6022223 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:59:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gB9E2WF13922.; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:02:33 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:59:41 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB9Dxgw6022223 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:59:09 +0000 Status: RO Kathleen wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> rmitchell@washjeff.edu 12/09/02 01:10pm >>> >On authenticity, might I ask if any of you have delved into Ann Hollander's >"Seeing Through Clothes"? I was gifted with this wonderful book early in >my costume career and it helped me to develop new directions in making >wiser choices for both theatrical and Historical costuming. Her comments on >authenticity were greatly to the point. I read our library's copy some 15 years ago and found it fascinating on various topics to do with the relationships between history, costume history and art history _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 09:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04967 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9E21l9011220; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9E21w6022945; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9E1sw6022922 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 98529 invoked by uid 1005); 9 Dec 2002 14:01:49 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.102302 secs); 09 Dec 2002 14:01:49 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.102302 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:01:48 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF1230C.D18BF6D2@inetone.net> Message-ID: <20021209090000.M49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:01:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It sounds like the paned sleeve type I saw was different from the one you are interested in making. Mine didn't pouf at the top; it was relatively close-fitting and split all the way down from shoulder to wrist in 6 pieces. Are you trying to do a sleeve like the one on the Queen Elizabeth Phoenix portrait? Thanks, Drea On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Dhannti wrote: > > > Drea Leed wrote: > > > > > I did get to examine a pair of early 17th c. paned sleeves a while back, > > and wrote down the details of how the thing was put together. I can > > forward you the info, if you're interested. (I didn't get to take photos > > unfortunately. :( > > > Drea please do. I thought about cutting two sleeve patterns in half > and using a mutton sleeve top gathing it to the narrower sleeve ,adding > trim to cover the seam, laying the panes over the pouf and attaching the > panes with buttons or simlper stitches. I fear it will all cave in from > the weight of the panes. I wonder if this would work if I used some > type of interfacing to keep the fullness? > > > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 09:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05201 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9ET2l9012537; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9ET0w6001145; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9ESPw6000922 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:28:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.6b.3f6ea94 (4394) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:26:47 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.3f6ea94.2b260227@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton, was how many of us are there? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.3f6ea94.2b260227_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:26:47 EST Status: RO --part1_6b.3f6ea94.2b260227_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/2002 8:41:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: > So did I, and they called it cotton chintz. I'd always thought of chintz as > a printed fabric, but these were plain. > > > > > > Chintz did originally refer to the hand-painted Indian fabrics (17th-18th c.) but has now come to be applied to glazed cotton fabrics, printed or plain. Ann Wass --part1_6b.3f6ea94.2b260227_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/2002 8:41:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes:


So did I, and they called it cotton chintz. I'd always thought of chintz as a printed fabric, but these were plain.







Chintz did originally refer to the hand-painted Indian fabrics (17th-18th c.) but has now come to be applied to glazed cotton fabrics, printed or plain.
Ann Wass --part1_6b.3f6ea94.2b260227_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 09:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05218 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9EL2l9012110; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9EL0w6028533; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9EKFw6028081 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A56888301A4; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:23:05 -0500 Status: RO Thank you Mara for responding to my post. The Eighteenth century house is the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion) I have the reference book you have suggested and we have some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that even with the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are not used to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. I've finally gotten them to come to terms with house caps. I agree that the knitted hoods are too late but am still curious as to weather their ilk might have been thought of in this period. I have just remembered another piece in my 'Fragments and Fragiles Bag' that might be interesting to research further. It is fawn colored silk, shaped somewhat like a Quaker bonnet but without the brim, and there is an indication that it ever had ties...at least that I remember. Some of it is slightly wadded with cotton fluff seen beneath the lining. The curtain has a 1" ruffle. ON the same theme of warmies, What can I suggest for the hands? We have gloves and fingerless gloves and mitts; would these be leather or knitted? Muffs for what classes. KathleenOriginal Message ----- From: "Kevin + Mara" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > Hi, Kathleen, > What decade of the 18th c. is the site working with? > > I haven't seen any evidence for knitted hoods in the late 18th century, but > how about short cloaks (elbow-length) with hoods, made out of coating > wool? The hoods could be lined with linen or silk (or, since this is a > historical site with presumably a limited budget, a modern lining material > that looks like silk), and tied at the neck with a wool ribbon. Don't line > the body of the cloak (that's more of a 19th c. thing), and leave the > bottom edge of the cloak unhemmed; the wool should be sufficiently fulled > that it will hold an edge. > > These would be faster to make than knitted hoods, too, since you presumably > need them for this winter's activities...? If you have access to Beth > Gilgun's _Tidings from the 18th Century_, she has a pattern for a > full-length cloak that you could use for a shorter version. This is a good > time of year to look in the fabric store for coating remnants, too; you > could probably get some great deals. I don't think an elbow-length cloak > requires that much material (I'm guessing maybe a yard and a half of 60" > wide fabric, though you'd want to lay the pattern out to be sure). The body > of the cloak is a half-circle, gathered to the hood, which is roughly > rectangular in shape, with a seam down the back and with some gathers at > the top of the seam (at the crown of the head) so that the hood doesn't > have a 'point' on it. It's hard to describe properly, but it's pretty easy > to make. > > The most common color for women's cloaks in the 18th c. was red, but other > colors like black or grey weren't unknown, either. I think shorter cloaks > might have been more common in the middle of the 18th century than the end, > but still would be a better option, IMO, than knitted hoods. Better to be > a little old-fashioned than use something that hadn't been invented yet :) > > Cheers, > Mara > > At 02:06 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >One of the historical houses I assist with is expanding its costume/ > >education program. Since we are in a probable winter clime, there has been > >a request for 'head covers' to wear outside on the street...that will be > >warm. What are some of the credible resources that will best answer this > >problem. I have some Fascinators from the mid 19th C and wonder if these > >knitted hoods might have been a rediscovery then, of an earlier time.Any > >thoughts? Kathleen > > Kevin + Mara Riley > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 09:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05328 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:55:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Es2l9013850; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Es0w6009000; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Eruw6008951 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:53:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-1-31.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.1.31] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LPIA-0005H5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:53:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:57:50 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, >The Eighteenth century house is > the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the leaders of the > Whiskey Rebellion) I have the reference book you have suggested and we have > some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that even with > the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are not used > to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. I must stress that my reading on the Whiskey Rebellion is confined to a few minutes, (how could anyone resist finding more about such an amazing title) but unless the costume was entirely different to that in Europe at a similar date they would have worn fur inside the home as well as outside. Given the role of North America in providing furs to Europe it seems highly improbable that people living in North America would not have used the abundance of fur to hand, especially when it was freezing cold-) best wishes Stevie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 10:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05616 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FcKl9016866; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:38:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FcFw6026757; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FbNw6026264 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.216]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F85D5EED37 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:37:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a501c29f99$77566ac0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New members and lurkers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:41:39 +0100 Status: RO I have also ben on this list in some years now, and i kind of miss the old days a little, where all kinds of questions were asked. It is often told new members that they could look in the files to find out how this and that was explained. For my part i dont mind, if the same questions is asked again and again, and mostly of the time, there is always a kind soul, who answers the questions gladly. So i would say to new members and lurkers, dont be afraid to ask what ever you want, i surely would be glad to answer any questions i can. I am sure others would like two. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 10:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05650 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:43:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FX3l9016430; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FX1w6024359; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FW1w6023925 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:32:01 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The list, flaming...etc... Thread-Index: AcKdnwx8uOXGBSgsTYSYfJictR88GQB+MrZQ From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB9FW1w6023925 Subject: [h-cost] 14th century colored linen? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:31:53 -0800 Status: RO Lisa Sinervo wrote: << but I happen to know a bit about the existance of 14th century coloured linen >> Oh goodie, where? I've been searching like crazy for the last year for evidence of this and evidence that colored linen was used to make clothing and I've had no hits. I would love to see what you have on this. Will you please share your source on this? Thanks! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 10:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05681 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:48:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Fl2l9017579; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Fl1w6001150; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9FkIw6000723 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:46:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212091546.gB9FkIw6000723@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc58 (rwcrwbc58.attbi.com[204.127.198.47]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <20021209154612052001avp7e>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:46:12 +0000 Received: from [128.95.168.193] by rwcrwbc58; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:46:05 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Fiammetta@aol.com (Fiamma the Unquenchable), margaritavil@hotmail.com (Nimue Lucia), Antoinette@bowslaire.org (Antoinette Le Blanc), raphaellad@yahoo.com (Raphaella DiContini), ladydana@bowslaire.org (HL Dana), prudence@blarg.net (Prudence) Subject: And gadgets for cord and hair! Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: R2lhX0dhdmlub0BhdHRiaS5jb20= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:46:05 +0000 Status: RO It's a stand, with at least two 'feet', a single leg and a clamp-like device at the top to hold the hoop. I have one, and several hoops that can attach to it. But it's in storage until I have a house big enough for all my various textile arts and costuming hobbies. Currently, I have a embroidery stand that I purchased from her that I *love*. It can hold the small stuff, huge stuff and all in between. It can be set up with clamps or with screws and angel wing doohickeys... Anyhow, it's up to the indiviudual if they want a stand or not. I've got physical problems so I use the stand as much as possible. And on to the other gadgets! Nordic Needle has a 4 (yep! *four*) ply battery operated twisting machine! For those who do weaving, spinning or other textiles that need a nice cord or fringe with 4 ply, that'd the super thing. Nordic Needle has a web site...argh! Which I don't seem to have with me! Also, at most stores, there's a 2 ply *hair* braider (Target comes to mind) . Sears has in their sales flier a 3 ply hair braider *and* a "Quick Wrap hair art kit". These braiders are battery operated plying machines, to make cordlike braids. All of those things can be used for textile finishing and the 'quick wrap' I thought would be *great* for those doing the Italian Ren "decorative hair wrapping and braiding' stuff. I think some of the stuff would be good for doing some of the earlier hair braiding that was done, too. Anyhow, have fun with your gadgets! Gia/Giacinta > I have a lot of hoops and varieties of threads and frames and other > embroidery tools. What is a 'giraffe' and do I need one to complete my work > space.? This is a new term for me! Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt > > > > And who likes spiky bits in their feet anyway? > > > > Poor giraffe. ;) > > > > Arlys > > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Jean Waddie > > writes: > > > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet > > > that > > > close together. > > > > > > > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > > > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps > > > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > > > hoops > > > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > > > alternative? > > > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand > > > owing > > > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > > > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > > > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > > >Visit www.juno.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >h-costume mailing list > > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Jean Waddie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:05:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05758 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Fx5l9018513; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Fx2w6007183; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Fw1w6006664 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.30]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V009QQ0CVRM@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by asv9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB9FvuG02518 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining In-reply-to: <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:56:21 -0500 Status: RO If by glazing you mean a shiny surface, then that's right. The manufacturer feeds the fabric under a large roller while on a large flat table like thing. They apply pressure with the roller and high heat to give the fabric any sort of surface treatment either a shiny surface as in glazing or a embossed pattern, (some modern fabrics have this recently). To replicate this try going to your fabric store's drapery department and looking at the drapery lining. Its 100% cotton and has a shiny surface. I've used it for lining dresses and it works nicely. It may be what you are looking for. Lnda K-S At 6:10 AM -0700 12/9/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >I believe it's a mechanical process, involving heat and pressure. There >are some really cool examples of glazed wools in my books on clothing >from the 18th c., and I *think* the books talk about the glazing process >as well. >Doesn't mean, of course, that modern glazed cottons aren't done >differently....It may very well be one of those finishes that sticks >around if you dry clean the stuff, but not if you regular-wash it. >Oh....and if anyone finds a source for glazed cotton, I'd love to know! >I need some to line a carraco jacket.... >--sue > > >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> >> So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan glazed >> cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, can the >> glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness survive the >> washing machine? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05765 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G4vl9018986; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G4tw6010070; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9G3mw6009470 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjQoV+awqcR8GgI79Kyn+88="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKLPMPKB; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:03:14 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt Message-ID: <20021209.080448.-153497.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-10,12-88 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:29:37 +0000 Status: RO A giraffe is a type of stand that has clamps on it to hold an embroidery hoop. There are tall standing floor models and also a type designed to be sat on. I'm looking for the floor type. The idea is that it frees your hands for working (lovely if you do ambidextrous stuff) and saves one hand from the stress of constantly holding a hoop. Lap frames are great too. I have a small one and a large one, but neither is right for the small embroideries I am doing now. Arlys On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:59:22 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" writes: > I have a lot of hoops and varieties of threads and frames and other > embroidery tools. What is a 'giraffe' and do I need one to complete > my work > space.? This is a new term for me! Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt > > > > And who likes spiky bits in their feet anyway? > > > > Poor giraffe. ;) > > > > Arlys > > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Jean Waddie > > writes: > > > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their > feet > > > that > > > close together. > > > > > > > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > > > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or > perhaps > > > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > > > hoops > > > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > > > alternative? > > > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding > hand > > > owing > > > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > > > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > > > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > > >Visit www.juno.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >h-costume mailing list > > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Jean Waddie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05792 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G4Kl9018922; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G47w6009677; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:04:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9G3mw6009473 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjQoV+awqcR881WrkqcBrXo="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKLPMPKD; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:03:14 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt Message-ID: <20021209.080448.-153497.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:32:53 +0000 Status: RO Thank you! :D I'll look them up! Arlys On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:17:00 +0000 Gia_Gavino@attbi.com writes: > Hi! > > I don't know if hedgehogs do, but I think Threadneedle Street does, > and they > have a website too! Denise is wonderful and if she doesn't what you > need, > she's great at finding it. > > www.Threadneedlestreet.com > > I'm not sure about the case sensitivity...but I know I spelled it > right! > > Gia/Giacinta > a very happy customer.. > > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet > that > > close together. > > > > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or > perhaps > > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > hoops > > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > alternative? > > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding > hand owing > > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > >Visit www.juno.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > > Jean Waddie > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05834 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:20:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G9El9019365; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9G9Cw6012291; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:09:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9G7Pw6011387 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:07:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9882 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.202) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 16:07:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF4BF99.408DBAFA@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: <20021209090000.M49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:06:49 -0500 Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > > It sounds like the paned sleeve type I saw was different from the one you > are interested in making. Mine didn't pouf at the top; it was relatively > close-fitting and split all the way down from shoulder to wrist in 6 > pieces. > > Are you trying to do a sleeve like the one on the Queen Elizabeth Phoenix > portrait? > More like the portrait of Catherine of Austria, Queen of Portugal by Antonio Mor, c.1552. Its the way the sleeves appear to be one piece yet they have the fullness at the top half. Thanks, Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:34:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05889 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GWal9021657; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GVF6t023469; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:31:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GKKw6017734 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:20:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A18C77B018A; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c29f9f$43c81e00$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <200212091546.gB9FkIw6000723@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: And gadgets for cord and hair! Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:23:09 -0500 Status: RO Thank you Gia/Giacinta! That is about what I guessed, and I may already have one (HMMM). I will have to look in that corner again. It is the "when I have time to do "space.After years of 9-9 in the costume shop, I've decided to cut the hours (and the business) to finally do some of the things I really want to do...and take care of. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Fiamma the Unquenchable" ; "Nimue Lucia" ; "Antoinette Le Blanc" ; "Raphaella DiContini" ; "HL Dana" ; "Prudence" Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: And gadgets for cord and hair! Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt > It's a stand, with at least two 'feet', a single leg and a clamp-like device at > the top to hold the hoop. > > I have one, and several hoops that can attach to it. But it's in storage until > I have a house big enough for all my various textile arts and costuming hobbies. > > Currently, I have a embroidery stand that I purchased from her that I *love*. > It can hold the small stuff, huge stuff and all in between. It can be set up > with clamps or with screws and angel wing doohickeys... > > Anyhow, it's up to the indiviudual if they want a stand or not. I've got > physical problems so I use the stand as much as possible. > > And on to the other gadgets! > > Nordic Needle has a 4 (yep! *four*) ply battery operated twisting machine! For > those who do weaving, spinning or other textiles that need a nice cord or > fringe with 4 ply, that'd the super thing. > > Nordic Needle has a web site...argh! Which I don't seem to have with me! > > Also, at most stores, there's a 2 ply *hair* braider (Target comes to mind) . > Sears has in their sales flier a 3 ply hair braider *and* a "Quick Wrap hair > art kit". These braiders are battery operated plying machines, to make > cordlike braids. > > All of those things can be used for textile finishing and the 'quick wrap' I > thought would be *great* for those doing the Italian Ren "decorative hair > wrapping and braiding' stuff. I think some of the stuff would be good for > doing some of the earlier hair braiding that was done, too. > > Anyhow, have fun with your gadgets! > > Gia/Giacinta > > > I have a lot of hoops and varieties of threads and frames and other > > embroidery tools. What is a 'giraffe' and do I need one to complete my work > > space.? This is a new term for me! Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt > > > > > > > And who likes spiky bits in their feet anyway? > > > > > > Poor giraffe. ;) > > > > > > Arlys > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:09 +0000 Jean Waddie > > > writes: > > > > No, hedgehogs can't carry giraffes. Giraffes can't get their feet > > > > that > > > > close together. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cynthia J Ley wrote > > > > >Might anyone know offhand if Hedgehog carries giraffes? Or perhaps > > > > >another company? I am looking for one that can hold embroidery > > > > hoops > > > > >ranging from 3" on up. Any website suggestions? Or another > > > > alternative? > > > > >Basically I am trying to eliminate stress from my hoop-holding hand > > > > owing > > > > >to acute arthritis and need a stand that can hold one. > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for your help. > > > > > > > > > >Arlys in Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > > > >Visit www.juno.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >h-costume mailing list > > > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jean Waddie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > h-costume mailing list > > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > > Only $9.95 per month! > > > Visit www.juno.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05903 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GY1l9021837; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GY16t025445; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9GX66t024866 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29018 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 16:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.202) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 16:26:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF4C3ED.CEF182FB@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about book studies. References: <20021209090000.M49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> <3DF4BF99.408DBAFA@inetone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:25:17 -0500 Status: RO I apologize to the list for my horrible typing. I just happened to notice the header. I have been told I was the Queen of omissions but this one is the worst yet. Please accept my sincerest apologies. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05932 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:44:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Gh1l9023016; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Gh06t000827; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9GgT6t000459 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:42:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.112] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AF8E3F00192; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:14:39 -0500 Status: RO This house was on the frontier, and while the family had Baltimore connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too upper class in this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried to fit in with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers and trappers. Other kinds of merchandize that was not home grown came in over the mountains. This was a thriving community as far as the town went, as it was a crossroads and jumping off place for the wilderness beyond the Ohio. Kathleen -- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > Hi all, > > >The Eighteenth century house is > > the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the > leaders of the > > Whiskey Rebellion) I have the reference book you have suggested and > we have > > some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that > even with > > the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are > not used > > to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. > > I must stress that my reading on the Whiskey Rebellion is confined to > a few minutes, (how could anyone resist finding more about such an > amazing title) but unless the costume was entirely different to that > in Europe at a similar date they would have worn fur inside the home > as well as outside. Given the role of North America in providing furs > to Europe it seems highly improbable that people living in North > America would not have used the abundance of fur to hand, especially > when it was freezing cold-) > > best wishes > Stevie. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 11:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06016 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Gg2l9022898; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Gg16t000212; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Gfc6t029865 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id JAA08688 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212091703.JAA08688@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >Do they have to be AOL cds, or will any old cds work for you? Any old CDs are fine. I just mentioned the AOL ones because they seem to be ubiquitous. --Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06165 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9H52l9025831; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9H516t014471; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9H4C6t014050 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp177.directcon.net [209.76.47.177]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gB9H3OEr024111; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:03:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021209090733.00804c90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question In-Reply-To: <20021209082555.36512.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00ba01c29f53$ac6fb860$e9674ed5@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:07:33 -0800 Status: RO At 08:25 AM 12/09/2002 +0000, N Kipar wrote: > >Do not meddle with the Vermine Street Guard, not ever, this is my >recommendation. Not because of the individual members - not going to slander >anyone here, don't mind them - but I am afraid their 'glorious leader' has >shown himself as being a megalomaniac. That's my personal recommendation, and >based on experience, but someone might think the opposite. (maybe, very very >maybe) > This post is quite surprising, considering that quite recently you scolded a poster for mentioning, without names, that she found someone on the list to be irritating. I think your statements are far less appropriate than hers. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06214 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HB6l9026532; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HB26t018155; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HA16t017438 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V00IXU3IFTZ@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:06:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF4CD8C.3050203@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] File sharing for the group Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:06:20 -0600 Status: RO If all we are needing is a space to see pictures and stuff then I have space for us. I am only using about 1/3 of my online allowance. Also, I have essentially unlimited hits. If it got to be a lot of files to manage, then I have no problem giving access to a select few persons to access the space with FTP and upload stuff up for others. I am thinking something very simple like a small directory listing with files that would be accessed through a directory listing maybe. This way, no one would have to "register" to see the stuff, and we would not have to deal with any annoying pop-ups or Yahoo ads in emails. So if you are wanting to share files with other's send them to me... I will put them online for everyone, and post a quickie notice when they are available. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06246 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HH3l9027204; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HH16t021843; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HGh6t021599 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:16:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.197.11e48065 (4320) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_197.11e48065.2b262987_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:14:47 EST Status: RO --part1_197.11e48065.2b262987_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2002 6:32:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes: > I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer to > "pinking", you're talking about something other than using these things? > Pinking can be done with a "Pinking tool"....and I think most 18th century pinking is done this way. It looks like a chisel and the cutting end can have all sorts of shapes. A strip of fabric can be folded and a mallet drives the toll through the material. Of course anything can have a pinked edge. It's not just a sewing term. Y'know the flowers "Cottage pinks" do indeed come in pink, but are named for the pinked edge of the petals. --part1_197.11e48065.2b262987_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2002 6:32:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes:


I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer to "pinking", you're talking about something other than using these things?


Pinking can be done with a "Pinking tool"....and I think most 18th century pinking is done this way. It looks like a chisel and the cutting end can have all sorts of shapes. A strip of fabric can be folded and a mallet drives the toll through the material.

Of course anything can have a pinked edge. It's not just a sewing term. Y'know the flowers "Cottage pinks" do indeed come in pink, but are named for the pinked edge of the petals. --part1_197.11e48065.2b262987_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06377 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HR6l9028325; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HR16t028251; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HQG6t027763 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.32] (as3-4-46.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.32]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB9HQF000447 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:26:15 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] stays for a large person Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:39:18 -0800 Status: RO >I've always liked the term "Rubenesque", comparing us to the lovely nudes in >the paintings, none of which are particularly thin. >-Megan Among various of my medievalist friends, the popular term is "prosperous", which is used in a more gender-neutral way than "Junoesque" and "Rubenesque" tend to be. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06382 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:34:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HV5l9028690; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HV56t000766; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HU66t000112 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.216]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 566A8262EAF for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:30:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c29fa9$3aa53470$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] off topic/ paper clay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:34:29 +0100 Status: RO Dear Saragrace Thanks for the link to the supplier site, lovely. Could you email me about the email list as well! I am totally obsessed about this paper clay now :-( but i have not the time) Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06419 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:41:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HeCl9029676; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:40:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HeB6t006218; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HdK6t005742 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-1-31.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.1.31] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LRsF-000155-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:39:19 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c29faa$741e6180$1f0124d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:43:15 -0000 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had Baltimore > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too upper class in > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried to fit in > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers and > trappers. Other kinds of merchandize that was not home grown came in over > the mountains. This was a thriving community as far as the town went, as > it was a crossroads and jumping off place for the wilderness beyond the > Ohio. Kathleen -- Original Message ----- > From: "Stevie Gamble" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > > > > Hi all, > > > > >The Eighteenth century house is > > > the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the > > leaders of the > > > Whiskey Rebellion) I have the reference book you have suggested and > > we have > > > some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that > > even with > > > the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are > > not used > > > to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. > > > > I must stress that my reading on the Whiskey Rebellion is confined to > > a few minutes, (how could anyone resist finding more about such an > > amazing title) but unless the costume was entirely different to that > > in Europe at a similar date they would have worn fur inside the home > > as well as outside. Given the role of North America in providing furs > > to Europe it seems highly improbable that people living in North > > America would not have used the abundance of fur to hand, especially > > when it was freezing cold-) > > > > best wishes > > Stevie. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:42:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06430 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ha5l9029209; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ha16t003634; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HZJ6t003233 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB9HXxpQ037770 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212091733.gB9HXxpQ037770@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Robin Netherton" at Dec 09, 2002 02:35:59 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It's not comprehensive or historical, but a good book for a beginner would also be Sandra Betzina's Fabric Savvy, which tells a lot about various types of fabrics while instructing you on how to sew them. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561582670/qid=1039455037/ > > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, whether on-line, printed, or > > whatever, that would tell me what all these types of fabric are, how > > to recognise them, how to use them, when they were in use, and so on? > > > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be one that came > > with fabric samples to feel, but that doesn't sound likely.) > > I've actually heard of such a book. It was mentioned on this list a couple > years back. I believe this is it: > > All About Silk: A Fabric Dictionary & Swatchbook (Fabric Reference Series, > Volume 1) > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096376120X/qid=1039422052/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5976763-3844865?v=glance&s=books > > It's part of a series; there's a wool book and a cotton book too. At $35 a > pop, it's maybe a little much to spend to buy the whole line, but a cool > thought nonetheless. The Amazon reviews are useful. If the person who > recommended this to the list originally is still on the list, perhaps s/he > will add some more concrete informatin. > > There are also a couple of online fabric/fashion dictionaries. I don't > have the URLs on hand; I'd have to do some hunting, and it's 2:20 a.m. so > I'm not going to now. Perhaps this description will ring a bell for > someone else who does have the information handy. > > (And by this post I hope also to demonstrate that it's perfectly fine to > post a reply to a question when you don't quite know the answer but have > some contributing information, and you hope by adding some hints and > recollections that you'll spur someone else to help fill in the rest of > the blanks. Lord knows I constantly post on this list with statements like > "I think I read once that XYZ... anyone know more about that?") > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:45:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06452 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Hi1l9000109; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Hi06t008695; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9HhJ6t008249 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-1-31.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.1.31] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LRw6-0001Sy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:43:18 +0000 Message-ID: <005a01c29fab$0298fd80$1f0124d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:47:14 -0000 Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had Baltimore > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too upper class in > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried to fit in > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers and > trappers. I'm sorry, but I'm not following the thread of your argument. Surely the trappers wore fur, did they not? Why would wearing fur not fit in with the style of the community? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06456 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:45:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9He2l9029658; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9He16t006097; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Hcx6t005464 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB9HbptA037838 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212091737.gB9HbptA037838@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Lee Thompson-Herbert" at Dec 09, 2002 05:46:40 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:37:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lee, you should post on craigslist as well -- I've seen people gathering AOL CDs there for other art prjects. .heather. > > > I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a > couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get > those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* > instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a > sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear > tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I > figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up > with enough CDs to do the project. > > If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > > Lee Thompson-Herbert > 4600 Belfast Avenue > Oakland, CA 94619 > USA > > The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a battered up collander > so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting pieces for it. > He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he should pass along > any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole thing should be > quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until May to get > everything together. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 12:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06501 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Hq5l9000962; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Hq06t014161; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9HpO6t013646 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:51:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209175123.2103.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:51:23 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delurking . . . with a Roman Question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021209090733.00804c90@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > At 08:25 AM 12/09/2002 +0000, N Kipar wrote: > > > >Do not meddle with the Vermine Street Guard, not ever, this is my > >recommendation. Not because of the individual members - not going to slander > >anyone here, don't mind them - but I am afraid their 'glorious leader' has > >shown himself as being a megalomaniac. That's my personal recommendation, > and > >based on experience, but someone might think the opposite. (maybe, very very > >maybe) > > > This post is quite surprising, considering that quite recently you scolded > a poster for mentioning, without names, that she found someone on the list > to be irritating. I think your statements are far less appropriate than > hers. I do apologise, I shouldn't have sent that to the list, but it is not the same thing, while it is the same 'should not have done'. I mentioned names, yes, and it was not someone on the list, while not good - and after sending and realising it went to the list I was not happy about it but it was too late - it is not the same, but I don't suppose that matters. Anyway, apologies, I should have talked to Linda privately, because it was not a matter for the list anyway, but talk between re-enactors in this country. I would appreciate it, however, if you told me off in a different way. Nicole - sorry for the slip, boohoo, I guess I have to work a few more lifetimes on perfection. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06615 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IJ4l9003520; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IJ16t029409; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9IIZ6t029166 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 68008 invoked by uid 1005); 9 Dec 2002 18:18:28 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.114412 secs); 09 Dec 2002 18:18:28 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.114412 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 18:18:28 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF4BF99.408DBAFA@inetone.net> Message-ID: <20021209131558.C49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:18:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hm. It's hard to tell with all the black and the gold trim on top, but it may have been accomplished using a pattern like that at http://costume.dm.net/Tailors/pages/f87L.html The extra fabric for the puff is added to the underseam side, so when the sleeve is gathered at the top, it has an interesting puff. Drea On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Dhannti wrote: > > > Drea Leed wrote: > > > > It sounds like the paned sleeve type I saw was different from the one you > > are interested in making. Mine didn't pouf at the top; it was relatively > > close-fitting and split all the way down from shoulder to wrist in 6 > > pieces. > > > > Are you trying to do a sleeve like the one on the Queen Elizabeth Phoenix > > portrait? > > > > More like the portrait of Catherine of Austria, Queen of Portugal by > Antonio Mor, c.1552. Its the way the sleeves appear to be one piece yet > they have the fullness at the top half. > > > Thanks, > Di > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06619 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IJCl9003535; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IJC6t029544; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9IIp6t029299 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23454 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 18:18:50 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 18:18:50 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-165.sonic.net [209.148.112.165]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB9IInI19827 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:18:49 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:20:28 -0800 Status: RO I recently read a couple of articles on keeping a scrapbook ("scrapbooking"). This pastime has recently been revived and apparently there are whole stores (brick-and-mortar and online) devoted to supplies. These include several styles of "scrapbook scissors," which are designed to cut fancy edges in paper. I have never had any inclination to keep a scrapbook, and so have not seen the scissors in person. But what I'm wondering is, could any of them be used to pink fabric? They are paper scissors, and I doubt they are fine quality shears. I can't get a good idea of what the edges look like from the pictures. But if the shapes they cut are suitably historic, perhaps some could be pressed into service for pinking? Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a scrapbook or costuming? Fran AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/7/2002 6:32:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes: > > > >> I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer >> to "pinking", you're talking about something other than using >> these things? > > Pinking can be done with a "Pinking tool"....and I think most 18th > century pinking is done this way. It looks like a chisel and the > cutting end can have all sorts of shapes. A strip of fabric can be > folded and a mallet drives the toll through the material. --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06674 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:31:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IU3l9004459; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IU16t005746; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9ITU6t005448 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OuwRF4SOtCNwNA+DCtLDPUM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKLXY949; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:29:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Fiammetta@aol.com, margaritavil@hotmail.com, Antoinette@bowslaire.org, raphaellad@yahoo.com, ladydana@bowslaire.org, prudence@blarg.net Subject: Re: And gadgets for cord and hair! Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt Message-ID: <20021209.103059.-153497.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,14-16,19-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:54:07 +0000 Status: RO On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:46:05 +0000 Gia_Gavino@attbi.com writes: > It's a stand, with at least two 'feet', a single leg and a clamp-like > device at the top to hold the hoop. lamps or with screws and angel wing doohickeys... > > Anyhow, it's up to the indiviudual if they want a stand or not. > I've got physical problems so I use the stand as much as possible. That's me too. Arthritis. Removing stress from joints is a major issue. > And on to the other gadgets! > > Nordic Needle has a 4 (yep! *four*) ply battery operated twisting > machine! For those who do weaving, spinning or other textiles that need a nice > cord or fringe with 4 ply, that'd the super thing. Cool! :-) There's also a funky little gadget called a "Spinster" that does something similar. It's hand operated, but not at all difficult, and spins up nice cords in no time flat. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06708 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:33:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IW2l9004658; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IW16t006766; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IVb6t006555 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:31:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021209183136.EJLW10657.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:31:36 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc Message-ID: <3DF4E180.15608.3ADBC65@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200212091733.gB9HXxpQ037770@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: from "Robin Netherton" at Dec 09, 2002 02:35:59 AM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:31:28 -0000 Status: RO Ooh! Searching for both of these in amazon.co.uk and adding to wish list.... The Wool and Cotton books in the swatch series seem to be unavailable in the UK :( Might consider paying postage from the USA, might not... but then the last few days of working silly hours got me not only lots of overtime payments, but also a bonus from a happy boss. So maybe I'll treat myself. > It's not comprehensive or historical, but a good book for > a beginner would also be Sandra Betzina's Fabric Savvy, which tells a > lot about various types of fabrics while instructing you on how to sew > them. > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561582670/qid=103945503 > 7/ > > All About Silk: A Fabric Dictionary & Swatchbook (Fabric Reference > > Series, Volume 1) > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096376120X/qid=1039422 > > 052/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5976763-3844865?v=glance&s=books > > > > It's part of a series; there's a wool book and a cotton book too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06771 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:40:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Id1l9005388; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Id16t010733; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40903.mail.yahoo.com (web40903.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9Icp6t010543 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:38:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209183845.39883.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.104.32.34] by web40903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:38:45 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021209160405.9638.95552.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: 14th century colored linen? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Lisa Sinervo wrote: > << but I happen to know a bit about the existance > of 14th century coloured linen >> > Colleen wrote: > Oh goodie, where? I've been searching like crazy > for the last year for evidence of this and evidence > that colored linen was used to make clothing and > I've had no hits. I would love to see what you have > on this. Will you please share your source on this? Something appeared on the H-Needlework list a while back that may be relevent to this. Nancy Spies posted the following reference (which I'm copying directly from Nancy's post on the topic). The point I gleaned (among others) is that a cloth made of cotton and linen (or possibly cotton and hemp) and of a beige or yellow color was worn as a top-layer tunic by a nobleman living in the Occitan (now southern France), in the 9th century. This helps lay the groundwork for making a case that linen was dyed and used as a fashion-layer fabric (as opposed to only used as a white, undergarment fabric), at least as early as the 9th century, as far north as what is now called southern France. This by itself is not sure-fire evidence proving 14th century use of linen in this context, but it's another puzzle piece worth considering. I too would love to know more about sources proving the use of linen as a colored fashion layer in the 14th century, if folks care to trot them out. Thanks, Tasha McGann ________________________________________ "Cardon, Dominique. "Burial Clothing of One of the First Counts of Toulouse". Archaeological Textiles Newsletter 21 (Autumn, 1995), 7-11. (from the article:) Near the southern portal of the romanesque basilica of Saint Sernin in Toulouse, France, outside the church but protected by a railing, a group of stone sarcophagis have traditionally been considered to be the tombs of the earliest Count of Toulouse. These were members of the Frankish aristocracy who at the downfall of the Carolingian Empire took over the reality of power in what is now the region of Languedoc. Taking into account all their structural characteristics, the one hundred textile fragments found in the sarcophagus could eventually be classified into five different types of textiles: there are two different qualities of linen tabby, a 2/1 twill woollen cloth, a 3/1 twill-based broken lozenge in linen and cotton, and some silk braids [sic] in tubular tablet weaving... the conclusion that they [the garments] correspond to the rather close-fitting garments worn by an up to now mysterious Raimond, Count of Toulouse. Under a short, long-armed beige or yellow tunic, made of a linen and cotton fabric with a lozenge pattern, and fastened by red silk braids [sic], he was wearing one -- or possibly two -- white linen shirt(s) and red hose made of woollen cloth and going up to the thigh. A combination of the information provided by the radio-carbon dating of one of his bones, and new historical research into genealogy of the first Counts of Toulouse has allowed a fairly precise dating for his death: either AD 961 or 978, according to which of several Raimonds he actually was. Fabric of the Tunic. Broken lozenge 3/1 twill, linen (or possibly hemp, according to M. Ryder) warp, z, 26-28 threads/cm; cotton weft, z, 29-30 threads/cm ... The combination of fibres, spinning system, structure of this fabric appears to be without known parallel in Europe for that period. After much reflection, I am inclined to venture the hypothesis it may have been woven by Muslim weavers in nearby Spain (the earliest silk samites in 3/1 twill are thought to have come from there), and may represent an origianl, cooler, imitation on a horizontal loom of the diamond lozenges which were in such fashion among the Frankish and Viking aristocracies of the time in Northern Europe." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06804 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IgPl9005651; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IgO6t012558; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:42:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ido6t011211 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gB9IchdL038486 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212091838.gB9IchdL038486@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] File sharing for the group To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF4702B.20257.3BE906ED@localhost> from "kat@grendal.rain.com" at Dec 09, 2002 10:27:55 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I also have unlimited space, since I have my own server. People are welcome to email me photos and or web files for posting. .heather. > > What a nice way to do it. Thanks for the offer, Linda! > > When I get my scanner up and running I may just take you up on it! > > Kat Russell > > > If all we are needing is a space to see pictures and stuff then I have > > space for us. I am only using about 1/3 of my online allowance. Also, > > I have essentially unlimited hits. If it got to be a lot of files to > > manage, then I have no problem giving access to a select few persons > > to access the space with FTP and upload stuff up for others. I am > > thinking something very simple like a small directory listing with > > files that would be accessed through a directory listing maybe. > > > > This way, no one would have to "register" to see the stuff, and we > > would not have to deal with any annoying pop-ups or Yahoo ads in > > emails. > > > > So if you are wanting to share files with other's send them to me... I > > will put them online for everyone, and post a quickie notice when they > > are available. -- Linda Thompson > > > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 13:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06809 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:44:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IcFl9005277; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IcD6t010200; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:38:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9IbJ6t009689 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip235.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.235]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB9IbCa00831 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:37:13 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] File sharing for the group Message-ID: <3DF4702B.20257.3BE906ED@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DF4CD8C.3050203@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:27:55 -0800 Status: RO What a nice way to do it. Thanks for the offer, Linda! When I get my scanner up and running I may just take you up on it! Kat Russell > If all we are needing is a space to see pictures and stuff then I have > space for us. I am only using about 1/3 of my online allowance. Also, > I have essentially unlimited hits. If it got to be a lot of files to > manage, then I have no problem giving access to a select few persons > to access the space with FTP and upload stuff up for others. I am > thinking something very simple like a small directory listing with > files that would be accessed through a directory listing maybe. > > This way, no one would have to "register" to see the stuff, and we > would not have to deal with any annoying pop-ups or Yahoo ads in > emails. > > So if you are wanting to share files with other's send them to me... I > will put them online for everyone, and post a quickie notice when they > are available. -- Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07037 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:17:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JG3l9009326; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JG16t000503; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JFA6t029903 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.157.189d61e3 (3310) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <157.189d61e3.2b264597@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.189d61e3.2b264597_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] scrap book scissors Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:14:31 EST Status: RO --part1_157.189d61e3.2b264597_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/02 2:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > But what I'm wondering is, could any of > them be used to pink fabric? They are paper scissors, and I doubt > they are fine quality shears. I can't get a good idea of what the > edges look like from the pictures. But if the shapes they cut are > suitably historic, perhaps some could be pressed into service for > pinking? Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a > scrapbook or costuming? > I've tried a variety of the scrapbooking type scissors on a variety of fabrics with no luck I'm afraid. The scissors are really made for paper and are just not sharp enough, too bad cuz they have some that would be truly perfect for 18th C. Oh well. Cheers, Loren Dearborn --part1_157.189d61e3.2b264597_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/02 2:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


But what I'm wondering is, could any of
them be used to pink fabric?  They are paper scissors, and I doubt
they are fine quality shears.  I can't get a good idea of what the
edges look like from the pictures.  But if the shapes they cut are
suitably historic, perhaps some could  be pressed into service for
pinking?  Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a
scrapbook or costuming?


I've tried a variety of the scrapbooking type scissors on a variety of fabrics with no luck I'm afraid.  The scissors are really made for paper and are just not sharp enough, too bad cuz they have some that would be truly perfect for 18th C.  Oh well.

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn --part1_157.189d61e3.2b264597_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07052 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:21:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JJKl9009623; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JJJ6t002220; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9JHc6t001227 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWh5kXZO+vLh2L6UrCzm+CybN7tSzJI+OaQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKL2PMBD; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:16:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Message-ID: <20021209.141429.-341321.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,12-15 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:14:29 -0500 Status: RO <<>> I don't do scrapbooking either, but do have several pairs of the scissors in different designs. They don't cut fabric worth a darn, but are great fun to use when making signs for my merchant table or edging cards and such. They work fine on paper, but I tried them on different fabrics and they just don't cut it. Of course, the ones I have were pretty cheap. I have a pair of cheap pinking shears meant to cut fabric and they got dull very fast so have been relegated to the craft tools. My Fiskers pinking shears are wonderful, if rather unimaginative, giving the zig zag cut edge on most fabrics with no problem. I would NEVER use them for paper as they are treasures. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07113 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JN7l9010010; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JN36t004240; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40907.mail.yahoo.com (web40907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9JKm6t003056 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:20:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209192043.1557.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.104.32.34] by web40907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:20:43 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021209190008.21986.89775.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Fran wrote: > But what I'm wondering > is, could any of > them be used to pink fabric? > Has anyone on this list tried using them, > either for a > scrapbook or costuming? Fran, My upstairs neighbor used a pair of plastic 'craft/scrapbooking' pinking shears on dupioni (or was it shantung? can't remember...) silk when making a Civil War-era apron. It worked well, as I recall; minimal fraying. -Tasha McGann __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07135 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JSHl9010533; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JSA6t007036; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9JRm6t006809 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:27:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2305 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 19:27:48 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:27:48 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-165.sonic.net [209.148.112.165]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB9JRlP12129 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:27:47 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF4EF16.7C6DFE18@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] scrap book scissors References: <157.189d61e3.2b264597@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:29:26 -0800 Status: RO I assume you tried taking them somewhere that can professionally sharpen pinking-type shears? Fran > I've tried a variety of the scrapbooking type scissors on a variety > of fabrics with no luck I'm afraid. The scissors are really made > for paper and are just not sharp enough, too bad cuz they have some > that would be truly perfect for 18th C. Oh well. > > Cheers, > > Loren Dearborn --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07252 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jg3l9011801; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jg1I8014587; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JfVI8014240 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:41:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212091941.gB9JfVI8014240@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc70 ([204.127.198.53]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <200212091941250520013ndve>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:41:25 +0000 Received: from [128.95.168.203] by rwcrwbc70; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:41:18 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: And gadgets for cord and hair! Re: [h-cost] Giraffe hunt X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: R2lhX0dhdmlub0BhdHRiaS5jb20= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:41:18 +0000 Status: RO Yeah, I've got the Spinster. I found it easy to use. But I like the battery operated ones because I don't move so many joints as with the Spinster. Aren't these new gadgets fun? Who says guys have all the fun 'toys'? Gia/Giacinta > On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:46:05 +0000 Gia_Gavino@attbi.com writes: > > It's a stand, with at least two 'feet', a single leg and a clamp-like > > device at the top to hold the hoop. > lamps or with screws and angel wing doohickeys... > > > > Anyhow, it's up to the indiviudual if they want a stand or not. > > I've got physical problems so I use the stand as much as possible. > > That's me too. Arthritis. Removing stress from joints is a major issue. > > > And on to the other gadgets! > > > > Nordic Needle has a 4 (yep! *four*) ply battery operated twisting > > machine! For those who do weaving, spinning or other textiles that > need a nice > > cord or fringe with 4 ply, that'd the super thing. > > Cool! :-) There's also a funky little gadget called a "Spinster" that > does something similar. It's hand operated, but not at all difficult, and > spins up nice cords in no time flat. > > Arlys > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 14:48:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07259 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jl3l9012230; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jl0I8017330; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9JkcI8017130 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18LTrQ-000IIB-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:46:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking References: <20021209.141429.-341321.0.catpurson@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20021209.141429.-341321.0.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:45:16 +0000 Status: RO As far as I know, pinking shears are mainly intended for edge finishing on hidden edges where you don't want the bulk of turning under, rather than for decoration. I imagine it would be very difficult to keep a good enough edge for fabric on the fancy shapes you get with paper scissors. Jean Lalah T Tillinghast wrote ><<scrapbook or costuming?>>> > > I don't do scrapbooking either, but do have several pairs of the >scissors in different designs. They don't cut fabric worth a darn, but >are great fun to use when making signs for my merchant table or edging >cards and such. They work fine on paper, but I tried them on different >fabrics and they just don't cut it. Of course, the ones I have were >pretty cheap. I have a pair of cheap pinking shears meant to cut fabric >and they got dull very fast so have been relegated to the craft tools. >My Fiskers pinking shears are wonderful, if rather unimaginative, giving >the zig zag cut edge on most fabrics with no problem. I would NEVER use >them for paper as they are treasures. > > >Lalah >Never give up, Never surrender >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 15:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07337 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:00:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jx2l9013392; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jx1I8024423; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Jw3I8023967 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18LU2U-000Iua-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <$yfdsCDxVP99Iwoi@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? References: <000001c29efb$93226540$6601a8c0@mycomputer> <20021208215407.99436.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021208215407.99436.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:56:33 +0000 Status: RO Is a goller/caplet a similar thing to a partlet? Jean N Kipar wrote >Yep, here you are: > >http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=45604+0+none > >National gallery of Art, it has details and a blooming good quality on top of >it. > >Nicole > >> Does anyone have a better picture of this than this one? I am trying >> to figure out if she has a goller/caplet on or is the collar just part >> of her gown? >> >> I've looked all over the internet for a better picture. I thought maybe >> one of you had seen it in person or had a book with it. >> >> Sg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: nicole@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 15:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07349 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K13l9013617; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K12I8025580; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K0kI8025428 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:00:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18LU55-000J3E-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:00:43 +0000 Message-ID: <+SJdEzDrYP99IwK6@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods References: <003601c29d5a$92ab1be0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:59:39 +0000 Status: RO Kevin + Mara wrote >Hi, Kathleen, >What decade of the 18th c. is the site working with? > >I haven't seen any evidence for knitted hoods in the late 18th century, >but how about short cloaks (elbow-length) with hoods, made out of >coating wool? The hoods could be lined with linen or silk (or, since >this is a historical site with presumably a limited budget, a modern >lining material that looks like silk), and tied at the neck with a wool >ribbon. Don't line the body of the cloak (that's more of a 19th c. >thing), and leave the bottom edge of the cloak unhemmed; the wool >should be sufficiently fulled that it will hold an edge. > I'm not sure if this style can pull up around the face, but if not, line with linen or a heavier cotton (for fake), so it's less likely to slip off. Silk might hold, since it always has that slight roughness, but polyester for fake won't. Jean >These would be faster to make than knitted hoods, too, since you >presumably need them for this winter's activities...? If you have >access to Beth Gilgun's _Tidings from the 18th Century_, she has a >pattern for a full-length cloak that you could use for a shorter >version. This is a good time of year to look in the fabric store for >coating remnants, too; you could probably get some great deals. I >don't think an elbow-length cloak requires that much material (I'm >guessing maybe a yard and a half of 60" wide fabric, though you'd want >to lay the pattern out to be sure). The body of the cloak is a >half-circle, gathered to the hood, which is roughly rectangular in >shape, with a seam down the back and with some gathers at the top of >the seam (at the crown of the head) so that the hood doesn't have a >'point' on it. It's hard to describe properly, but it's pretty easy to make. > >The most common color for women's cloaks in the 18th c. was red, but >other colors like black or grey weren't unknown, either. I think >shorter cloaks might have been more common in the middle of the 18th >century than the end, but still would be a better option, IMO, than >knitted hoods. Better to be a little old-fashioned than use something >that hadn't been invented yet :) > >Cheers, >Mara > >At 02:06 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>One of the historical houses I assist with is expanding its costume/ >>education program. Since we are in a probable winter clime, there has >>been a request for 'head covers' to wear outside on the street...that >>be warm. What are some of the credible resources that will best answer >>this problem. I have some Fascinators from the mid 19th C and wonder >>if these knitted hoods might have been a rediscovery then, of an >>earlier time.Any thoughts? Kathleen > >Kevin + Mara Riley > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 15:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07366 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K41l9013908; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K40I8027335; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9K3bI8027062 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from attbi.com (12-225-255-146.client.attbi.com[12.225.255.146]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120920033100100pni0re>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:03:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3DF4F719.7050701@attbi.com> From: Roscelin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th century colored linen? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:03:37 -0800 Status: RO Ditto. Please share your sources. Thanks, Roscelin Colleen McDonald wrote: >Lisa Sinervo wrote: ><< but I happen to know a bit about the existance >of 14th century coloured linen >> > >Oh goodie, where? I've been searching like crazy for the last year for evidence of this and evidence that colored linen was used to make clothing and I've had no hits. I would love to see what you have on this. Will you please share your source on this? > >Thanks! > >Colleen > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 15:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07502 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9KI4l9015195; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9KI0I8005001; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from listserv.okstate.edu (listserv.okstate.edu [139.78.100.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9KHLI8004626 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from osu-ns09.cis.okstate.edu by listserv.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.122A29B7@listserv.okstate.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:17:20 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "Christina L Biles" Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns09/Okstate(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/09/2002 14:17:20, Serialize complete at 12/09/2002 14:17:20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:17:20 -0600 Status: RO Fran asked: Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a scrapbook or costuming? I haven't had good luck with fabric, but they will cut lightweight leather. Better yet, the hole punches that come in shapes (hearts, stars, etc) will punch light leather. I've got all the right shapes to make that 'bethan leather doublet in Patterns of Fashion. Christina Biles Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone (405) 744-1215 Email bilescl@okstate.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07718 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9L44l9019859; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9L40I8029791; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9L3CI8029322 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-44-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.51] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LV3U-0006Tn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c29fc6$ee0d8680$332c23d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:07:06 -0000 Status: RO Christina wrote: > I haven't had good luck with fabric, but they will cut lightweight > leather. Better yet, the hole punches that come in shapes (hearts, > stars, etc) will punch light leather. I've got all the right shapes to > make that 'bethan leather doublet in Patterns of Fashion. > It will look lovely; I'm lucky enough to live very near to the Museum of London, and I wander in quite often and drool over the doublet in question! Fortunately it's behind glass, so it doesn't get damaged, but you may bear that thought in mind in the outside world... Where did you get your hole punches from? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07755 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:23:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LM3l9021626; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LM1I8010553; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9LKqI8009872 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12590 invoked by uid 1005); 9 Dec 2002 21:20:42 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.134855 secs); 09 Dec 2002 21:20:42 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.134855 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 21:20:41 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] dye resources? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:20:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07785 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LU2l9022210; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LU1I8014752; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LTvI8014675 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H6VFPP00.7PD for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:29:49 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.234 ([203.54.114.234]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/10207368); 10 Dec 2002 07:29:44 Message-ID: <3DF5FACF.9F0C067E@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <20021207.164002.-246165.0.catpurson@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:31:43 -0800 Status: RO Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > A new question just popped into my little pea brain. When did > snaps first come out. Can't imagine that they are very old, but they are > so convenient. Just curious. Thanks > I don't think anyone else has answered this so I will. I believe they are Edwardian, that is, they first appear in the early years of the twentieth century (nearly said 'this century' for a minute there) Claire (who has only just managed to catch up on the last few days mail) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07813 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:35:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lb2l9022949; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lb1I8018643; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LaQI8018279 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:36:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H6VG0I00.6D3 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:36:18 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.234 ([203.54.114.234]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/10216932); 10 Dec 2002 07:36:14 Message-ID: <3DF5FC54.2E9D26C6@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me References: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c29e28$e89a4520$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:38:12 -0800 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Peplos gowns: 'string' in the waist but excess fabric from top bloused over > that = everything as wide as the widest part, the hips, and 'boat' neckline. > *shudder* > > Gareth's been an Anglo Saxon so long he actually finds these sexy !!! > I tried Roman clothing for an event once, and I had the same problem. No matter how I tied the girdle I just looked like a big potato. Thank heaven for the palla - there's nothing like swathing yourself in a big length of fabric to disguise a myriad of ills....:-) > > I hate Napoleonic empire line stuff, my boobs are way to big ! > I look terrible in anything that doesn't have a waist at or close to the natural waist. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07821 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lc1l9023021; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lc0I8019340; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LbCI8018719 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.118] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id ABD210401BA; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:40:04 -0500 Status: RO Fran, it is my understanding that these scissors are strictly paper scissors. A friend and I thought the same thing...that they would be great for pinking fabric but they do not do this job at all well. I have been going to try them on ,say, taffeta with a stabilizer fiber. Wouldn't it be nice if the industry could imagine another use for these lovely pinking patterns. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking > I recently read a couple of articles on keeping a scrapbook > ("scrapbooking"). This pastime has recently been revived and > apparently there are whole stores (brick-and-mortar and online) > devoted to supplies. These include several styles of "scrapbook > scissors," which are designed to cut fancy edges in paper. > > I have never had any inclination to keep a scrapbook, and so have not > seen the scissors in person. But what I'm wondering is, could any of > them be used to pink fabric? They are paper scissors, and I doubt > they are fine quality shears. I can't get a good idea of what the > edges look like from the pictures. But if the shapes they cut are > suitably historic, perhaps some could be pressed into service for > pinking? Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a > scrapbook or costuming? > > Fran > > > AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/7/2002 6:32:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > >> I know them as "pinking shears". Which implys that when you refer > >> to "pinking", you're talking about something other than using > >> these things? > > > > Pinking can be done with a "Pinking tool"....and I think most 18th > > century pinking is done this way. It looks like a chisel and the > > cutting end can have all sorts of shapes. A strip of fabric can be > > folded and a mallet drives the toll through the material. > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07868 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ll7l9023698; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ll5I8024306; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LklI8024134 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V00DBMGHB7T@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request In-reply-to: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021209134550.04fd8120@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:46:16 -0800 Status: RO >I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a >couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get >those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* >instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a >sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear >tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I >figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up >with enough CDs to do the project. AOL CDs and other 'coasters', right? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07872 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ll1l9023683; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ll1I8024263; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LkhI8024102 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:46:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.2]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V00DBMGHB7T@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of painted/printed-was: fabric georgian painted fabric In-reply-to: <000001c29f88$fcf8d610$6601a8c0@mycomputer> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021209134412.05036c20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:44:57 -0800 Status: RO >How far back can we go with painted fabric? I vaguely remember that one >of Elizabeth's dresses from QEWU was painted-Rainbow dress? (too lazy to >go look right now). It is the very colorful one with all the fantastic >animals on it. I don't know about one-off painted fabric, but printed fabric goes back centuries. There was a thread about this semi-recently. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07878 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lo1l9023952; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lo1I8025762; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ln4I8025260 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H6VGLK00.68Z for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:48:56 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.234 ([203.54.114.234]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/10236685); 10 Dec 2002 07:48:52 Message-ID: <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> <200212082005.12008.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:50:08 -0800 Status: RO I have quite a lot of things on the to do list (my costume making has been rather slow of late). Whether they will all get done this year is a matter for debate. First up I need to finish the things I'm currently working on: a new houppelande of blue velveteen, the sleeves and collar lined in white silk - the sleeves have oakleaf dags which a pain in the proverbial to hem - and a matching headdress (well a new roll anyway, I will be using my old cauls with it) an 'effigy corset' in yellow and white linen a new linen shift for 14th/15th century stuff a 1780's gown in fuschia silk (just needs hemming and the sleeves to be done) Then there's the yet to be started list in rough order of priority a 16th century loose gown (black velvet with lavender silk to line the sleeves and lavender linen to line the body a red linen kirtle (15th century) a grey wool cote-hardie (or gothic dress if you will) I need to get some linen to line this a red wool gown (16th century lower class) with green linen lining a blue wool middle class houppelande I think I'll stop there before I get depressed....:-) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07896 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ls3l9024368; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Ls1I8028128; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9LrAI8027585 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCm8ZqE1lJQEYzIdRJ+9YRo8gfDZp5jhK7A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKMBL9ZJ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:52:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? Message-ID: <20021209.155020.-241363335.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-6 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:50:19 -0600 Status: RO Hi Drea, Both alum and cream of tartar are used in cooking so any good supermarket should have those available. I don't think I can help you with the rest of it. Good Luck! Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07900 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:53:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lj4l9023539; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lj1I8023202; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9LiSI8022900 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd6mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.216]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V005CCGAHXL@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml9so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.7]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V00C1IGAHC5@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-80-195-62.gv.shawcable.net [24.80.195.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V009QEGAHF3@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:42:17 -0700 (MST) From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-reply-to: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: ionization@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021209134116.00b7a3c0@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:42:14 -0800 Status: RO At 04:20 PM 09/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus >natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does >anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these >materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of >overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? > >Thanks, > >Drea http://www.maiwa.com/ It's in Vancouver, BC, so keep in mind that the prices are Canadian. I've used some of their products before, purchased in their shop, and they seem quite good. kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 16:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07926 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:57:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lw1l9024770; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Lw0I8000500; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40907.mail.yahoo.com (web40907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9Lv7I8029802 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:57:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209215702.39027.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.104.32.34] by web40907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:57:02 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021209213800.19338.73226.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:57:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I wrote: Fran, My upstairs neighbor used a pair of plastic 'craft/scrapbooking' pinking shears on dupioni (or was it shantung? can't remember...) silk when making a Civil War-era apron. It worked well, as I recall; minimal fraying. ___________________________ Given all the others here who said it didn't work for them, I got to thinking and called my neigbor for confirmation. She told me that she ended up abandoning the plastic pinkers in favor of doing it by hand with straight shears (youch! Lots of work!) because the plastic ones ended up not working well on the fabric. I've been under the impression she'd used the plastic ones all along. I'm sorry for the erroneous info. -Tasha McGann __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07970 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9M26l9025106; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9M24I8002832; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9M1qI8002669 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.118] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A1996101B2; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c29fce$fb86f3c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> <005a01c29fab$0298fd80$1f0124d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:04:43 -0500 Status: RO I need to pull up my resource but I have a vague memory from something I've read that trappers were on the , shall we say, lesser end of the class scale and it was not the thing to dress like them or use fur and skins in the manner of the native Americans. In the Eastern cities, at the same time, wearing fur trimmings and linings seems to have been 'OK' for women of fashion. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > Kathleen wrote: > > > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had Baltimore > > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too upper > class in > > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried to > fit in > > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers and > > trappers. > > I'm sorry, but I'm not following the thread of your argument. Surely > the trappers wore fur, did they not? Why would wearing fur not fit in > with the style of the community? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07989 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9M31l9025223; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9M31I8003343; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9M2rI8003262 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29149 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 22:02:52 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 22:02:52 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-165.sonic.net [209.148.112.165]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB9M2ps23202 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:02:51 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:04:30 -0800 Status: RO Would it do any good at all to place (or baste) a piece of scrap paper under the fabric while cutting? Would this chew up the fabric less? I'm assuming it gets chewed up, since dull scissors tend to do that. Fran Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Fran, it is my understanding that these scissors are strictly paper > scissors. A friend and I thought the same thing...that they would be great > for pinking fabric but they do not do this job at all well. I have been > going to try them on ,say, taffeta with a stabilizer fiber. Wouldn't it be > nice if the industry could imagine another use for these lovely pinking > patterns. Kathleen --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08053 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:20:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MJ9l9026643; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MJ0I8012266; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MG4I8010583 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:16:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200212092216.gB9MG4I8010583@net.indra.com> Received: from rwcrwbc70 ([204.127.198.53]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021209221559053003n5bne>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:15:59 +0000 Received: from [205.225.207.97] by rwcrwbc70; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:15:58 +0000 From: mabse@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th Century Dress detail : pinking X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFic2VAYXR0YmkuY29t Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:15:58 +0000 Status: RO I have been using the olfa blades. not as many interesting edges, but there are a few and they are sharp and work on fabric. I am using them to cut out fabric for bags to wrap christmas presents in. If I pink the edges I can just leave them on the outside. maryann > I wrote: > Fran, > My upstairs neighbor used a pair of plastic > 'craft/scrapbooking' pinking shears on dupioni (or was > it shantung? can't remember...) silk when making a > Civil War-era apron. It worked well, as I recall; > minimal fraying. > ___________________________ > > Given all the others here who said it didn't work for > them, I got to thinking and called my neigbor for > confirmation. She told me that she ended up abandoning > the plastic pinkers in favor of doing it by hand with > straight shears (youch! Lots of work!) because the > plastic ones ended up not working well on the fabric. > > I've been under the impression she'd used the plastic > ones all along. I'm sorry for the erroneous info. > > -Tasha McGann > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08062 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MJPl9026680; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:19:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MJOI8012486; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MGLI8010788 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V000DLHTJ2R@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml5so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.149]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V006AYHTJPD@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-80-195-62.gv.shawcable.net [24.80.195.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V009V7HTJ1L@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:15:19 -0700 (MST) From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. In-reply-to: <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> X-Sender: ionization@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021209140204.00b31250@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> <200212082005.12008.cathy@thyrsus.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:15:16 -0800 Status: RO oh, this is scary :] I need to finish the Christmas presents, first.. Polar fleece pants and jackets for parents, brother and boyfriend.. then... a Marilyn Monroe costume an effigy corset in rust linen a linen cord boned corset for under Italian ren outfits, as an experiment. another Italian ren (1490's or 1520's), but this time with a train on the back and sleeves. Must make the sleeves first! a Turkish jacket, like the Folkwear one. research and make matching Turkish garb (help?) a "morning after" cloak or jacket out of fuchsia wool w/green blue and orange stripes :] A set of middle class Elizabethan women's matching set of middle class Elizabethan men's, for me a queen sized ninepatch quilt.. the patches are 22" square (beginner's project) proper italian camisia proper underclothes for 14th c. French a lace-up cote a button-up cote I'm sure I have more fabric, too. I just can't remember it all. But looking at this list, it's time I go get those Christmas presents done! kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08107 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MU3l9027837; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MU1I8018560; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MTlI8018417 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:29:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.148] (as3-4-162.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.148]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB9MTi024902 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> References: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:48:50 -0800 Status: RO At 6:05 AM +0000 12/9/02, Jane Williams wrote: >Can anyone recommend a work of reference, >whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell >me what all these types of fabric are, how to >recognise them, how to use them, when they were in >use, and so on? There are a number of encyclopedia-type works on fabric types and names, all the way from very structure-oriented works like "The Primary Structures of Fabrics" (or is that "Structure" singular?) to works aimed at the textile industry. They tend to be a lot less good on historic issues (even in terms of issues of historic terminology), but they can provide a good, solid base of modern terminology -- which helps in following technical discussions. A book of this sort will generally have lots of photos, and diagrams for the weave structures. >(I suspect the only really useful reference would be >one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that >doesn't sound likely.) Some do -- but usually not a very extensive sampling. For some reason, my experience has been that French books are more likely to include swatches. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08156 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mg2l9028907; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mg1I8025199; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from listserv.okstate.edu (listserv.okstate.edu [139.78.100.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MfOI8024868 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from osu-ns09.cis.okstate.edu by listserv.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.122A5EBF@listserv.okstate.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:41:23 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "Christina L Biles" Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns09/Okstate(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/09/2002 16:41:23, Serialize complete at 12/09/2002 16:41:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:41:23 -0600 Status: RO Stevie said: >>>It will look lovely; I'm lucky enough to live very near to the Museum of London, and I wander in quite often and drool over the doublet in question! Fortunately it's behind glass, so it doesn't get damaged, but you may bear that thought in mind in the outside world... Where did you get your hole punches from? Walmart and Hobby Lobby (a large hobby/low end decorating stuff store)- in the scrapbooking sections. They usually hang right next to the edging scissors. I know that doesn't do you much good in the UK. I will look at home to see who manufactures them. Hmmm... I wonder if it would work if I sized the heck out of the fabric? The doublet is scheduled for next year's Christmas present for himself. He pauses on the page every time he flips through PoF, and then talks about leather doublets and jerkins for days afterward. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:41:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08160 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mh2l9029037; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mh1I8025738; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MgNI8025379 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:42:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from RECEPTION.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.82]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gB9MgKx06702 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:42:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021209141902.025db008@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021209134116.00b7a3c0@shawmail.gv.shawcable.ne t> References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2777765==.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:42:22 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_2777765==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've mostly used a local supplier here in Sacramento called Rumplestilskin's (sp?) or have picked up cuttings from ag studies here in Davis. I've used Dharma Trading and been pretty happy. Their madder root is slightly pricey but the other items are right in line price wise. Madder root is the one item I will pay lots for when I find a good crop since it varies a lot by harvest/location. So if you find a good source, buy all you can from that one shipment. http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1893-AA.shtml At 01:42 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: >At 04:20 PM 09/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus >>natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Off the top of my head, add Brazilwood, Logwood, and Alkanet to your shopping list. Those 3 dyes are less fugitive then you think. Chrome is pretty toxic so I've done some good work with Tin but I can't remember where I got mine. I've never seen weld or woad offered as dry stuffs for sale. Seems that you have to grow your own or get freebies from the Ag college's textiles program >; ) And if you are going to work with cochineal (in bug form), buy surgical masks to filter your air or clothespins for your nose. The stuff is amazingly beautiful to work with and stinks to high heaven! >> Does >>anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these >>materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of >>overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? >>Thanks, >>Drea > >http://www.maiwa.com/ >It's in Vancouver, BC, so keep in mind that the prices are Canadian. I've >used some of their products before, purchased in their shop, and they seem >quite good. >kris The one thing I stay away from is extracts. For me, it detracts from the experiment and the two times I've used an extract, the value shift of the color was odd - your mileage may vary. So what's the project Drea? >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_2777765==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've mostly used a local supplier here in Sacramento called Rumplestilskin's (sp?) or have picked up cuttings from ag studies here in Davis.
I've used Dharma Trading and been pretty happy. Their madder root is slightly pricey but the other items are right in line price wise. Madder root is the one item I will pay lots for when I  find a good crop since it varies a lot by harvest/location. So if you find a good source, buy all you can from that one shipment.
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1893-AA.shtml

At 01:42 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
At 04:20 PM 09/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus
natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more.

Off the top of my head, add Brazilwood, Logwood, and Alkanet to your shopping list. Those 3 dyes are less fugitive then you think. Chrome is pretty toxic so I've done some good work with Tin but I can't remember where I got mine. I've never seen weld or woad offered as dry stuffs for sale. Seems that you have to grow your own or get freebies from the Ag college's textiles program >; ) And if you  are going to work with cochineal (in bug form), buy surgical masks to filter your air or clothespins for your nose. The stuff is amazingly beautiful to work with and stinks to high heaven!

 Does
anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these
materials?  I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of
overpricedness and dyestuff quality.  Any good references?
Thanks,
Drea

http://www.maiwa.com/
It's in Vancouver, BC, so keep in mind that the prices are Canadian. I've used some of their products before, purchased in their shop, and they seem quite good.
kris

The one thing I stay away from is extracts. For me, it detracts from the experiment and the two times I've used an extract, the value shift of the color was odd - your mileage may vary.

So what's the project Drea? >; )

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis --=====================_2777765==.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:42:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08164 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mh6l9029052; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mh5I8025789; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MgQI8025378 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:42:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:42:20 -0500 Received: by NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] scrapbook scissors Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:42:19 -0500 Status: RO Fran, the scissors I have in several patterns, are made by Fiskars (sp?) and they do work great on paper. I tried one more simple style on a well starched piece of lightweight cotton and it worked like old dull pinking shears chewing at the fabric. The fancy cutting pattern is made with a metal piece applied over the plastic blade and is evidently not sharp or strong enough to cut fabric. I would be nice if they did -- would be very pretty. Connie Fairchild -------------- Fran wrote: These include several styles of "scrapbook scissors," which are designed to cut fancy edges in paper. I have never had any inclination to keep a scrapbook, and so have not seen the scissors in person. But what I'm wondering is, could any of them be used to pink fabric? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 17:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08172 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:43:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mi3l9029152; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mi2I8026376; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MhnI8026169 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6V006FJIZNHI@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF51BE7.9040409@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Heather for files then.. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:40:39 -0600 Status: RO If Heather has her own server, then that's the best place for the files. [:)] >From: Heather Meadows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] File sharing for the group >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >I also have unlimited space, since I have my own server. >People are welcome to email me photos and or web files for posting. >.heather. Thanks Heather.. -- Linda Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08229 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:00:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mw3l9000660; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Mw1I8004305; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9MvJI8003968 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AFCF6812029E; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:57:19 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AFCE104000A0; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:57:18 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c29fd6$59a37ee0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:57:29 -0500 Status: RO Lee, If you go to computer stores they have stacks of them to give away. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Thompson-Herbert" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] Oddball request > > I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a > couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get > those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* > instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a > sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear > tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I > figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up > with enough CDs to do the project. > > If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > > Lee Thompson-Herbert > 4600 Belfast Avenue > Oakland, CA 94619 > USA > > The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a battered up collander > so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting pieces for it. > He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he should pass along > any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole thing should be > quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until May to get > everything together. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:02:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08252 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N3Dl9001143; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N3AI8007266; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N28I8006588 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from p12-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.76] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18LWuc-0005im-00; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:02:06 +1300 Message-ID: <00d201c29fd6$fdfa1d00$4cccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021207160604.10608.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c29e28$354b4140$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> <30d$NaC+L589IwBl@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <00c401c29f48$454e5b60$7cc4adcb@michaela> <00bf01c29f53$e5fd9b60$e9674ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:02:03 +1300 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleaching/lightening fabric > >But I've had it succesfully take out all the dye from store bought silk. It > might also as I said before require a few extra sessions if the dye is > particularly set. > > Silk is not as fast as cotton, ie the dye does cannot make such a strong > chemical bons, therefore the best dyed silk will be easier to remove colour > from than the best dyed coton I know that, but while one post in the thread may have been about cotton it became more generalised. Especially the email I was replying to;) If someone was doing a search of the archives, or only happened to come across later posts they would have thought it meant all fabrics. The thread subject certainly doesn't specify cotton;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08265 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:04:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N52l9001279; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N51I8008308; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9N4fI8008112 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:04:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-44-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.51] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LWx5-0007Z1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:04:39 +0000 Message-ID: <004f01c29fd7$e7adb060$332c23d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021208.154053.-338645.0.catpurson@juno.com> <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:08:36 -0000 Status: RO Jane wrote: > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, > whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell > me what all these types of fabric are, how to > recognise them, how to use them, when they were in > use, and so on? > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be > one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that > doesn't sound likely.) > Well, I can't recommend a book but I think you would learn a lot by getting the full range of samples from Whaleys at http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/ The samples are small, and it isn't cheap; mine cost around £20-25, but you will get over 400 fabrics, mostly natural fibres, all identified for you. You will also need a few days/weeks to go through them all properly, but I think you will be amazed at, for example, just how unlike silk a lot of silks are:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08318 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9NFBl9002045; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9NF9I8013366; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9NEVI8013050 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:14:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7606 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 23:14:28 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 23:14:28 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-149.sonic.net [209.148.112.149]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gB9NES920274 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:14:28 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF52436.E3B818F6@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] scrapbook scissors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:16:06 -0800 Status: RO You know, I didn't want to hear this. Oh well. Thanks, Fran Fran "Fairchild, Connie E." wrote: > Fran, the scissors I have in several patterns, are made by Fiskars (sp?) and > they do work great on paper. I tried one more simple style on a well > starched piece of lightweight cotton and it worked like old dull pinking > shears chewing at the fabric. The fancy cutting pattern is made with a > metal piece applied over the plastic blade and is evidently not sharp or > strong enough to cut fabric. I would be nice if they did -- would be very > pretty. > > Connie Fairchild > -------------- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08422 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:43:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nh2l9006069; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nh1I8029085; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9NgfI8028910 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:42:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA11826 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212100004.QAA11826@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:04:38 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Christina Biles wrote: > Fran asked: > Has anyone on this list tried using them, either for a > scrapbook or costuming? > > I haven't had good luck with fabric, but they will cut lightweight > leather. Better yet, the hole punches that come in shapes (hearts, > stars, etc) will punch light leather. I've got all the right shapes to > make that 'bethan leather doublet in Patterns of Fashion. Water-soluble fabric stabilizer (brand name "Solvy") is your friend for things like this. Or the "Stiff Stuff" fabric stiffener used for floral arrangements. I'm rapidly aquiring a whole collection of the shaped punches myself. I've got I think four different pairs of the fancy scissors. The Fiskar ones seem to be slightly better quality than the no-name ones my mother bought. But the main thing is that the fabric has to be stiff enough for the scissors to cut cleanly. I've found similar problems working with leather punches and extremely soft leathers. The white elk skin I have is loverly, but it's a PITA to punch or cut cleanly. Cowhide or latigo of the same weight work just fine with the various heavy punches I have. I think the last time I used Solvy was when I machine embroidered silk noil for set of dress sleeves. I dissolved the Solvy and soaked the fabric, then let it dry and ironed it flat. Easiest bit of padded satin stitching I ever did. After I was done with the shisha mirror embroidery that I did by hand, I simply washed the sleeves and had nice soft fabric again. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08428 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:44:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nj2l9006420; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nj2I8000336; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41002.mail.yahoo.com (web41002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9NitI8000209 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:44:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021209234439.8457.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.125.1.23] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:44:39 PST From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1466646055-1039477479=:7695" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-1466646055-1039477479=:7695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am a beginner in the costuming area, and have just finished one of my first major projects ever. This year I plan to. Make a tudor like the one princess elizabeth wears. I have bought 8 m. of gorgous cotton brocade for 5 pounds a meter, the pattern is this acanthusleave pattern with a fruit or flower. Right now the fabric is creamcolored, and I am way too pale to wear cream, so it will be dyed dark red. I plan to do a doublet in a quiet graygreen fake suede, with buttons of embroidery thread over a wooden core. It will be midldle class and trimmed with a lot of matte silver and beigey braided trim. If I get the time. I would like to do a victorian, with one of those really big skirts. I am 5'1" and have an hourglass shaped figure, so I do not look good in straight styles. I would look horrible in fashions that demands you do not have hips. I really like the elizabethans. I do have one question. Can you use your elizabethan farthingale for any other period?. perhaps change the silhuette with laces or something? Tania Gruning --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1466646055-1039477479=:7695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I am a beginner in the costuming area, and have just finished one of my first major projects ever.

This year I plan to.

Make a tudor like the one princess elizabeth wears. I have bought 8 m. of gorgous cotton brocade for 5 pounds a meter, the pattern is this acanthusleave pattern with a fruit or flower. Right now the fabric is creamcolored, and I am way too pale to wear cream, so it will be dyed dark red.

I plan to do a doublet in a quiet graygreen fake suede, with buttons of embroidery thread over a wooden core. It will be midldle class and trimmed with a lot of matte silver and beigey braided trim.

If I get the time. I would like to do a victorian, with one of those really big skirts.

I am 5'1" and have an hourglass shaped figure, so I do not look good in straight styles. I would look horrible in fashions that demands you do not have hips. I really like the elizabethans.

I do have one question. Can you use your elizabethan farthingale for any other period?. perhaps change the silhuette with laces or something?

Tania Gruning


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Sign up now --0-1466646055-1039477479=:7695-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:57:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08491 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nx2l9008702; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nx1I8008288; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9NwuI8008148 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Tudorldy@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 7.183.132c5ee1 (15901) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.138]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-1209185846; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:58:46 -0500 From: Tudorldy@aol.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projekts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <213649ED.04CBD1D3.00862037@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id gB9NwuI8008148 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:58:46 -0500 Status: RO (there were 20 digests in my inbox this morning! I'm not halfway through! But what a welcome sight!) This may sound a bit strange, but, I'm going to be attempting to make the 1570s/80s equivalent of 'blue jeans and sweaters' (for our friends across the pond, 'blue jeans and jumpers'). Generally, what a reduced gentlewoman of the last quarter of the 16th Century (England) would be wearing at home and around her property, inasmuch as she is sufficiently 'reduced' to have very little household help, and indeed works alongside her servants in the house. My persona in SCA (my only outlet for doing 16thC) is that of a noblewoman with an impressive pedigree but absolutely no money. She has a modest house and small acreage (I think this situation would be correctly called 'grace-and-favor', someone please let me know) in Ewell, Surrey by the kindness of a certain royal second cousin, but it's up to her to make the place tick over. So -- she needs 'work clothes', but those that also fit her station. My hope is to make a set of interchangeable pieces, shifts, bodies, skirts, kir! tles, overgowns, sleeves, etc. which are nicely tailored, but plain enough to be meant for hard wear. (Thanks Drea, for the inspiration!) I'm also going to work at finding or making good accessories. I am also awaiting (any day now) shipment of 10 yards of black and gold fabric with honeybees in a lattice print. Since my SCA device is three gold honeybees on black, I couldn't ask for anything more. It's a rayon brocade with a fairly smooth hand; I think it's going to need underlining with something firm, though. I have no idea when it will get started, as that outfit will be built from the skin out starting with the handkerchief-weight linen I've been saving all this time, embroidery, a pair of bodies with bents, the whole thing. Since I'm pretty sure I'll be beading the outer fabric of the dress itself, I may well have to use steel boning in the hoop, but I hope to get a chance to experiment with willow witheys at some point. My general idea is something along the lines of the Hilliard Phoenix gown, but - if this makes any sense - not limited to that by making some further things to be interchangeable with it in the future (like real blackworked sleeves). My perso! na rationalizes having such a thing by admitting it is a New Year's gift from her cousin (one of Her old gowns), and she does need such a thing when she is called to wait upon HRM when HM is in residence at Nonsuch. But first - I'm taking Drea's online class, which I am very much looking forward to. I've been invited to teach a couple of day-long smock workshops in Washington state, and in spite of the fact that I get terribly anxious about that (right up until the moment I walk in the room - then it's gone like so much mist) beforehand, I really do love to teach hands-on. Meagn (totally envious of many of the other projects I'm hearing about!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 18:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08495 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nu4l9008155; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9Nu1I8006628; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB9NtPI8006351 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA11890 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212100017.QAA11890@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I > >figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up > >with enough CDs to do the project. > > AOL CDs and other 'coasters', right? As long as they've got a shiny side, yup. I have an idea for attaching them like scale mail. And using the scroll saw to cut the ones around the neckline into the right shape. I think I'll be using a padded cotton foundation layer to make it hang and flow right. I've seen vests made with CDs without the foundation layer, and they don't move the way I want this one to. And Jody informs me that he wants Cadillac fins added to his helmet (instead of Mercury's winged helmet). Even if we don't manage to pull off the parade part, we'll certainly be photo-worthy yet again. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08555 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:07:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA098l9010393; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA091I8014036; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA08cI8013793 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:08:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from FABRICHOARDER@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.3e.28c31297 (25098) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: FABRICHOARDER@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.28c31297.2b268a7c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.28c31297.2b268a7c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:08:28 EST Status: RO --part1_3e.28c31297.2b268a7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, likewise if you go to national retail chains like Target, Best Buy, or such, you can get mass quantities of them. Ramona --part1_3e.28c31297.2b268a7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, likewise if you go to national retail chains like Target, Best Buy, or such, you can get mass quantities of them.

Ramona --part1_3e.28c31297.2b268a7c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08613 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:25:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0O2l9012857; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0O0I8021955; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0N8I8021515 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA12066 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212100045.QAA12066@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >likewise if you go to national retail chains like Target, Best Buy, or >such, you can get mass quantities of them. Thanks for reminding me, folks. I've been fairly house-bound for a while and hadn't thought of that. Now that I have my little wheelie cart (like a zimmer frame with wheels and bicycle brakes), I could actually go places on foot again. My custom cane is very pretty, but I was starting to play the game of "which leg hurts worse today." And having my weight thrown off to one side was starting to wreck my back. Now I can walk upright _and_ not have to carry packages. And it has a seat, so I can _sit down_ while waiting in lines. Next week, I think I'll go on a quest to see how many of those AOL CDs I can swipe up. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08628 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:27:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0T1l9013578; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0T0I8024529; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0SJI8024093 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:28:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.111] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A3EC46501BE; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c29fe3$71a18ac0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:31:11 -0500 Status: RO Fran, hello again. We tried the paper liner idea and there was too much shift between the fabric and the paper; that is why we thought something like 'Solvy' might improve the cut. As others have suggested, the blades do not seem to have a longevity if the fabric project is of any length. Maybe some of us should petition the industry to produce some new tools of modern design that would be able to approximate the function of the old ones. I remember a past thread where repro tools for this process was discussed. Was it not one of the Canadian companies like Five Rivers who had or were thinking of manufacturing pinking irons? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking > Would it do any good at all to place (or baste) a piece of scrap paper under > the fabric while cutting? Would this chew up the fabric less? I'm assuming it > gets chewed up, since dull scissors tend to do that. > > Fran > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Fran, it is my understanding that these scissors are strictly paper > > scissors. A friend and I thought the same thing...that they would be great > > for pinking fabric but they do not do this job at all well. I have been > > going to try them on ,say, taffeta with a stabilizer fiber. Wouldn't it be > > nice if the industry could imagine another use for these lovely pinking > > patterns. Kathleen > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08709 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0i2l9014709; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0i0I8000710; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA0heI8000572 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:43:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28400 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 00:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.194) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 00:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF538A2.1AF754D7@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. References: <20021209131558.C49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:43:14 -0500 Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > > Hm. It's hard to tell with all the black and the gold trim on top, but it > may have been accomplished using a pattern like that at > http://costume.dm.net/Tailors/pages/f87L.html > > The extra fabric for the puff is added to the underseam side, so when the > sleeve is gathered at the top, it has an interesting puff. > Thank you for the link I'm going to try it with a mockup. I'll let you know how it works out. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08817 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0x3l9015630; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0x1I8006344; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA0wsI8006267 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.119] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AB16C16018A; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c29fe7$b6db91e0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C29FBD.B3F66560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] fur use in the 18th C Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:01:03 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C29FBD.B3F66560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After a good bowl of lentil soup, I've had some new thoughts about the = use of fur in the 18th Century and on into the next. Who, what, where = and when was it being used? If wearing it on the frontier was declasse, = and in cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York, and Boston it was = a la mode at the same time, what did make the difference? What furs = from this continent were fashionable and how were they used? Cincinatti = and St Louis seem to have been frontier metropolises before 1820's and = they were westward goals for European travelers like Fanny Trollop and = others who spend a great deal of time pointing out how the fashionable = of these cities differ from the other civilized worlds..What was the = attitude of other frontier areas toward the use of fur at its source = and the world market.?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C29FBD.B3F66560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After a good bowl of lentil soup, I've had some new = thoughts=20 about the use of fur in the 18th Century and on into the next.  = Who, what,=20 where and when was it being used?  If wearing it on the frontier = was=20 declasse, and in cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York, and = Boston it=20 was a la mode at the same time, what did make the difference?  What = furs=20 from this continent were fashionable and how were they=20 used?  Cincinatti and St Louis seem to have been frontier = metropolises=20 before 1820's and they were westward goals for European travelers like = Fanny=20 Trollop  and others  who spend a great deal of time pointing = out how=20 the fashionable of these cities differ from the other civilized = worlds..What was=20 the attitude of other frontier areas toward the use of fur at its=20 source  and the world = market.? 
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C29FBD.B3F66560-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 19:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08839 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:59:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA111l9015740; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA110I8007190; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA10PI8006909 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:00:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.124.1b2f6931 (3972) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:00:12 -0500 (EST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <124.1b2f6931.2b26969b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.1b2f6931.2b26969b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] pinking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:00:11 EST Status: RO --part1_124.1b2f6931.2b26969b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/02 4:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > I assume you tried taking them somewhere that can professionally > sharpen pinking-type shears? I did ask my sharpener guy about them and he said they were no good, they might be sharp enough for 1 cut or so of fabric if he sharpened them for me but then would need to be resharpened, said it wouldnt be worth it. All this talk of pinking did jog a memory though, a friend told me a while ago that fiskars had two new FABRIC pinking shears, one with a wave pattern and another that was scalloped. In searching on the web I did indeed find these but unfortunately none of the sites I found showed exactly what the pinked design looked like. Something to look for at the next trip to the fabric store though - fiskars softouch fabric pinking shears in scallop and wave designs. Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com --part1_124.1b2f6931.2b26969b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/02 4:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:



I assume you tried taking them somewhere that can professionally
sharpen pinking-type shears?


I did ask my sharpener guy about them and he said they were no good, they might be sharp enough for 1 cut or so of fabric if he sharpened them for me but then would need to be resharpened, said it wouldnt be worth it.

All this talk of pinking did jog a memory though, a friend told me a while ago that fiskars had two new FABRIC pinking shears, one with a wave pattern and another that was scalloped.  In searching on the web I did indeed find these but unfortunately none of the sites I found showed exactly what the pinked design looked like.  Something to look for at the next trip to the fabric store though - fiskars softouch fabric pinking shears in scallop and wave designs.

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com --part1_124.1b2f6931.2b26969b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08895 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1G3l9016498; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1G1I8012613; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1FUI8012315 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.d0.313fb6db (3972) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Subject: [h-cost] pinking scissors pics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:14:59 EST Status: RO --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldnt you know joannes website actually had pics of them? Doh! Anyway here are the links for the new fabric pinking scissors, which are on sale btw- $30.39 xmas presents anyone? click on the pics of the scissors to see a close up, design is on the edge of the pkg http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24988&PRODID=47325 http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=40924&PRODID=47324 Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Wouldnt you know joannes website actually had pics of them?  Doh!  Anyway here are the links for the new fabric pinking scissors, which are on sale btw- $30.39
xmas presents anyone?

click on the pics of the scissors to see a close up, design is on the edge of the pkg

http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24988&PRODID=47325
http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=40924&PRODID=47324

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08900 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:14:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1GHl9016519; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1GGI8012747; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:16:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA1FrI8012555 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27631 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 01:15:52 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:15:52 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-65.sonic.net [209.148.112.65]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBA1FpQ15924 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:15:52 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF540AA.904CB915@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> <002201c29fe3$71a18ac0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:17:30 -0800 Status: RO It sounds like if Fiskars would just produce scissors with the current paper-pinking patterns in a decent quality, that would work. I have no attachment to the idea of a real 18th-century style tool, just the fancy edges. They could probably even produce ones that would work for fabric _and_ paper. If anyone does want to petition Fiskars, they'd probably be more responsive if they were told other people wanted them in addition to costumers--larger market. Maybe even paper crafters would want more durable ones. Fran Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Fran, hello again. We tried the paper liner idea and there was too much > shift between the fabric and the paper; that is why we thought something > like 'Solvy' might improve the cut. As others have suggested, the blades do > not seem to have a longevity if the fabric project is of any length. > Maybe some of us should petition the industry to produce some new tools of > modern design that would be able to approximate the function of the old > ones. I remember a past thread where repro tools for this process was > discussed. Was it not one of the Canadian companies like Five Rivers who > had or were thinking of manufacturing pinking irons? Kathleen --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08960 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1W2l9017200; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1W0I8017666; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1V9I8017357 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m217.in-tch.com [216.166.191.217]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBA1F7D06808 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:15:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF543F2.8F080A8F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me References: <20021207165508.38803.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c29e28$e89a4520$ae6d4ed5@pavilion> <3DF5FC54.2E9D26C6@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:31:30 -0700 Status: RO Unfortunately for big-boobed me, Napoleonic stuff *is* at my natural waist (i.e., if I were to wear pants that actually came up to my real waist, I'd look like Marcel Marceau.....minus the mime makeup, of course! ) --Sue Claire Clarke wrote: > > Melanie Wilson wrote: > > > I hate Napoleonic empire line stuff, my boobs are way to big ! > > > > I look terrible in anything that doesn't have a waist at or close to the natural > > waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08975 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1b1l9017519; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1b0I8019395; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA1aiI8019325 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:36:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210013644.45965.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:44 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <038601c29f3c$92d6ccc0$200477d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:44 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > Bella, > > When I lived in Brisbane Spotlight had a number of > white100% cotton > jacquards in their upholstry section, some with 15th > century motifs and not > that pricey when they went on sale. A friend dyed > the fabric blue very > successfully. It might pay to have a look and see > if they still carry the > line. They do. They have some available in colours. But they have a drawback in that they are actually upholstery weight, rather than drapery or light upholsetery. Too heavy and slightly too stiff for a dress. Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08993 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1e2l9017642; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1e1I8020495; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA1dHI8020246 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:39:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210013916.31427.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:39:16 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Poly/Cotton (was Polished cotton) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021208213947.05035d40@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:39:16 +1100 (EST) Status: RO > >I'm in Australia > > Innilguard? Holy clues Batman!! Yes, Innilgard. How did you know? Do I know you from somewhere else? :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 20:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09089 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:55:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1v3l9018483; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA1v1I8026065; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA1uOI8025831 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:56:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210015624.49066.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:56:24 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton (polished), jacquard, etc To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF4329D.10810.10296DC@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:56:24 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Jane Williams wrote: > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, > whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would > tell > me what all these types of fabric are, how to > recognise them, how to use them, when they were in > use, and so on? You could start with the Resil Textile Dictionary online: Good on definitions but not so good on history, although it does have a little on it. Here's another textile dictionary: This one is a bit better on the history angle. Another thing I did was to go to good museums that have a textiles department (like the Metropolitan Museum of Art) and browse through their online collection. Take any fabric names you find that you don't know and use the one of these dictionaries. Finally you could take a trip to a large library and look up books on the history of textiles. Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 21:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09167 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA221l9018699; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA221I8027733; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12006.mail.yahoo.com (web12006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.214]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA21hI8027668 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:01:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210020143.78722.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.243] by web12006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:01:43 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:01:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi all, Having some lengths of fabric of undetermined fiber content, either very old or inherited, I was hoping for a link to a concise chart or table of how different fibers react to being burned. My local JoAnn's is pretty much out of polar fleece and restocking with summer fabrics. They have several nice colors of linen/rayon blend and I was wondering how rayon acts and rayon/linen blend would compare to linen or linen/cotton. Having just read through about a week's worth of posts and listened with interest to the discussions on authenticiy I'm posting anyway. As much as I love good linen for undergarments I can't line every learning project with 100% linen and a number of my projects are learning projects. The quilter in me has been using 100% cotton so long I've forgotten everything I ever knew about other fibers but figure a linen blend is a better weight and practice fiber than a cotton for the "mock-ups". I do tend to take a page from some of the ACW ladies and make my practice garment in something wearable later, either mundanely or as a less fancy version of the final project for a less affluent persona. Thanks in advance, Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 21:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09291 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:14:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA2G3l9019341; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA2G0I8002344; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20207.mail.yahoo.com (web20207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA2FcI8002184 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:15:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210021538.53934.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:15:38 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Chintz and stuff - long (was Polished cotton) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:15:38 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > Jane Williams wrote: > > >I'm not sure if this is the stuff you're talking > about, > >but I got some cotton with one side looking sort of > > >shiny from a curtain shop. "Polished" isn't a word > >they used but it would be descriptive. > > So did I, and they called it cotton chintz. I'd > always thought of chintz as a printed fabric, but > these were plain. I think "chintz" is a word that is often used incorrectly. According to the Resil Textile Dictionary (Online) Chintz is indeed printed: "Name derived from the Indian word ‘chint’, meaning coloured and variegated. Good quality printed floral cotton furnishing fabric on a white or natural ground. Printed designs are usually large, of flowers, birds, etc. Is a fine, closely woven cloth, sized and calendered in order to resist dirt. Used for curtains, loose covers, etc., and only occasionally for clothes. See also Glazed chintz." Glazed Chintz: "Chintz fabric, which has been given a resin finish, which is more permanent and will not wash out. See also Chintz." Polished cotton: "Plain weave cotton fabric, often inexpensive, that has been calendered to give it an attractive shine. The calendering does not survive laundering, so garments have to be starched, unless a resin permanent finish is added. Many weights of cotton may be polished and used for curtains, loose covers, dresses, etc." And in case you are wondering what "calendering" is: Calendering: "A process by which the fabric is made compact, flat and glazed. Usually the fabric surface is not flat, particularly in ordinary quality plain weave fabrics, because of the round shape of the yarns and interlacings of warp and weft at right angles to each other. In such a fabric it is seen that whilst the fabric may be quite regular, it is not flat. In calendering, the fabric is passed between the rollers of a calender machine, in which heavy rollers rotate in contact under pressure. The yarns are squashed into a flattened elliptical shape; the intersections are made to close-up between the yarns. The fabric surface becomes flat and compact. The improved planeness of surface in turn improves the glaze of the fabric. The calender machines can have several rollers, some of which can be heated and varied in speed, so that in addition to pressure a polishing action can be exerted to increase lustre." Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 21:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09435 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:29:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA2RMl9020046; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:27:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA2RLI8005909; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA2QpI8005749 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:26:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05495 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:35:47 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon In-Reply-To: <20021210020143.78722.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:35:47 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Cascio Michael wrote: > My local JoAnn's is pretty much out of polar fleece and restocking > with summer fabrics. They have several nice colors of linen/rayon > blend and I was wondering how rayon acts and rayon/linen blend would > compare to linen or linen/cotton. If you can't get pure linen, linen/rayon is far better than linen/cotton. It will drape more softly than either and not wrinkle as much. It will not wear as well as linen; you can abuse linen mightily, but rayon deteriorates with moisture and especially with sweat. But if you're gentle in the washing (cool water, short cycle) and you aren't sweating buckets directly into the cloth, you'll do OK. It will shrink a bit, though not as badly as cotton. It will be cooler than linen/cotton but not as cool as pure linen. Rayon is of natural origin (wood pulp) and IMO closer to silk in appearance and properties than any other non-silk fiber, the biggest differences being the strength of the fiber (silk is very strong) and some subtlety in the sheen. Rayon was first marketed as "artificial silk," and for good reason. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 22:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09618 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA342l9021848; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA340I8017048; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA33dI8016952 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:03:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0H6V00C21V4RE2@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:02:51 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-reply-to: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:02:54 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus > natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does > anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these > materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of > overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? Drea, If you have any school connections, try asking a science teacher. I'm no longer in the classroom, but I ordered my alum from a school science supply catalog. The prices were better than the local chemical supply business. The distributor I got mine from was Frey Scientific Co. 100 Paragon Parkway Mansfield, OH 44903 419-589-1900 http://www.freyscientific.com You can request a catalog at http://www.freyscientific.com/catalog.jsp They also have an online catalog but you have to register to use it. --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 22:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09677 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3U5l9023265; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3U1Qf025445; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA3TGQf025210 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:29:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-44-139.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.44.139 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 03:29:16 -0000 Message-ID: <00aa01c29ffc$ca321510$8b2caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:32:38 -0800 Status: RO Actually Lee, if you don't mind dealing with rebates, you can get them at Best Buy in units of 100 for $5 after the rebate. The rebates are a pain, but.... Anyway, it's a solution if you come up short with the computer geeks. TNew cds also have the advantage of being without any surface painting or decoration. Blue-ish on the one side and silver on the other. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Thompson-Herbert" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] Oddball request > > I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a > couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get > those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* > instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a > sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear > tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I > figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up > with enough CDs to do the project. > > If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > > Lee Thompson-Herbert > 4600 Belfast Avenue > Oakland, CA 94619 > USA > > The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a battered up collander > so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting pieces for it. > He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he should pass along > any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole thing should be > quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until May to get > everything together. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 22:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09739 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:44:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3g2l9023751; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3g0Qf028921; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3fmQf028810 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a214.in-tch.com [66.62.107.14]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBA3PlD01859 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:25:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:42:09 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Drea. We've got a couple of *very* serious natural dyers in my local SCA group....I'll ask them for recommendations. I know one gal (Lexie) has gotten some lovely stuff from England (her "customs" stories are pretty funny, too). She's used everything you listed below except, perhaps, copperas (that one, I'm not sure on). One of our "dreams" is to find a usable pot big enough to do dress-yardage in....I'd love to have a fitted gown or flemish done with naturally-dyed wool....*sigh* --Maire Drea Leed wrote: > > I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus > natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does > anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these > materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of > overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 9 22:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09759 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3q6l9024194; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA3q1Qf002192; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA3pDQf001941 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210035113.68088.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:51:13 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021210020143.78722.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:51:13 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Cascio Michael wrote: > Hi all, > Having some lengths of fabric of undetermined > fiber > content, either very old or inherited, I was hoping > for a link to a concise chart or table of how > different fibers react to being burned. Here you go: Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 00:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10127 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA4w4l9027837; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA4w1Qf022691; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA4vpQf022653 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.0.36] (helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LcSr-0001QA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2a009$7d2ac520$240077d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Extant 14th century coloured linen scan online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:49:12 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen McDonald" Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] 14th century colored linen? > Lisa Sinervo wrote: > << but I happen to know a bit about the existance > of 14th century coloured linen >> > > Oh goodie, where? I've been searching like crazy for the last year for evidence of this and evidence that colored linen was used to make clothing and I've had no hits. I would love to see what you have on this. Will you please share your source on this? > > Thanks! > > Colleen > Colleen, I know a bit about colored linen from the fourteenth century, extant threads, block printed fabric (quite possibly for garments). But before I go on, I want to clarify that my statement was that I knew a bit about coloured linen IN GENERAL. This was the original confusion that occurred when I first offered my knowledge on this list. (I had asked a few questions before which were kindly answered.) Someone, under the impression from previous discussion I was not privy to as it was prior to my subscribing to this list, seemed to come to the conclusion that linen was never dyed prior to, say the 16th century, if my memory recalls correctly and asked if linen was ever dyed before this time. I gave a number of examples of coloured linen from the 14th century and earlier and received responses questioning my research and evidence, responses that were somewhat silly if the question was "did coloured linen exist?", but very enlightening responses to the question of whether linen was used or not for outer garments. Hence my statement that I thought the comments I received were reflections of ...... well, you know what I wrote. It was only that I was judging them as responses to examples of general evidence of coloured linen and not to the specific use of coloured linen for clothing. I was quite busy that night and not paying too much attention to all the threads relating to the subject. Still my tendency to believe that coloured linen was used at least sometimes for clothing is based upon a few items I have come across (lots of thread mostly so linen was dyed). It is not something I have done any in depth research on or stake a claim to. But there is a fragment of linen in "The Book of Costume" Volume 1 page 228, item 634 that has been block printed in green in a pattern Mullion pattern which according to M. Dupont-Aubervill in his 1877 book Classic Textile Designs was a common pattern for costume in the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries. He states "It may be traced in the costumes of persons of distinction, painted by the master enamellers of Limoges, on the tapestries of various Flemish looms, and in the works of the first unknown masters of the Siena and Florentine schools." I have not done the research into this area that Heather and Robin have done, in fact it never occurred to me before to consider the issue, but I did print some gold linen with burgandy silk screen fabric paint using the pattern found in the Davenport book and combined it with solid burgandy linen to make a very lovely parti-coloured gothic fitted dress (tm) (I like that one!). Would I do that again??? Not so sure now. Probably but not for a noble but maybe for someone lower class. Knowledge can be such a curse!!!! But then, it may be a wall hanging, curtains, but it is a motif used on garments.......will see what else I come across. Most of the reading I have done since the Coloured Linen posts would lead me to believe that linen was not typically used. The whiteness of linen was the only time I found the value of linen being discussed. I liked a comment from "Renaissance Clothing and the Materials of Memory" by Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter Stallybrass where they quote from Les Evangiles that "Flax left on a distaff from Saturday to Monday will never make pure white cloth, which is why German women's linen is never as white as Frenchwomen's. I have copied the Davenport page, the text from the Classic Textile Design book and the examples of other known (well to Dupont-Auberville anyway) mullion patterns and have placed it on my webpage. I don't have a web site yet, but I do have a web page so if you want to have a look, go to www.ThreadneedleSt.com and scroll down to see the scans. It will probably take time to load. Sorry but that is the best I can do at the moment. Hope this helps! And any comments either way I would be most interested in hearing from anyone. Cheers! Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 00:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10153 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA582l9028198; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA581Qf025573; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA572Qf025303 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from p119-dialup.snap.net.nz ([203.97.31.119] helo=ajax) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 18Lcbf-0007Ly-00 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:06:56 +1300 Received: from libre ([192.168.255.21]) by ajax with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18LcdE-0002MM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:08:32 +1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jennifer Geard To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212101804.56051.geard@verso.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBA572Qf025303 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:04:56 +1300 Status: RO Hi Maire, > One of our "dreams" is to find a usable pot big enough to do > dress-yardage in....I'd love to have a fitted gown or flemish done > with naturally-dyed wool....*sigh* Would that mean anything to you if I suggested using a "copper"? It's the New Zealand name for a large copper tub -- either fire-powered or with an electric element -- used for washing/boiling clothes in the days before washing machines. They've mostly been scrapped or used as planters here, but you can still find them occasionally in a back shed. You do need to factor into your colour expectations that you're using a copper vessel: this seems to affect colours like a very mild copper mordant. I've used an old electric copper to dye a dress-length. It was hard work and came out slightly uneven despite my stirring, but for some years one of my recreation dresses was dyed with broad-bean husks, which I think you might call fava beans -- the ones you find in viking-age digs. My woad experiments were exiled to the garden by mutual agreement with my housemates, but they still tell stories about the time I dyed using "strong water" (fermented bran water) when I had a heavy cold and couldn't tell that my airing of the house had not been wholly successful. The house apparently smelled as though someone had vomited through it, with a distinct tang of stomach acid. Cochineal was the first natural dyestuff I used that gave me the same exhaust effect you get with good synthetic dyes. I dyed some silk brilliant bubble-gum pink with it (I'm still working on red-shifting) and then threw in a piece of mordanted wool that sucked all the colour from the solution. They've both kept their colour well. (Logwood is beautiful for a short time, but the logwood-dyed skeins I bought from a friend lived up to logwood's reputation for being fugitive.) Birch-bark smelled of strong sweet tea -- definitely one of the more pleasant of the natural substances I dyed with -- and yielded a murky pink. I could only ever get walnut shells once they were dry, producing a standard brown tannic dye, but the wet hulls are meant to produce a black dye. There's also some speculation that walnut dye had anti-bacterial properties, and was favoured for viking-age undergarments for this reason. One option I did ponder was pit dyeing, where you heat the liquid in a large dye vessel (or pit) by dropping hot rocks into it from a nearby fire. It works for cooking, so it should work for dyeing, but you'd want to work at the ecologically gentle end of the dyeing spectrum. My geologist friends used to warn me against using river stones for this, because apparently they sometimes shatter in the heat. Alas, most of the home dyeing methods I've tried won't produce the Plictho colour palette: I was doing Anglo-Scandinavian research back then. While it would be lovely to once again have dyed all my gear myself, the more I got into it the more I decided that a lot of the better late-period dyes were both complex and noxious, and that I was happy figuring out the colours they produced so I could buy appropriate commercially-dyed cloth. But I'm glad I did the dyeing I did. Cheers, Jennifer, AKA Signy', AKA Alys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 00:21:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10213 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA5N2l9028772; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA5N0Qf029958; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA5MFQf029787 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:22:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17416 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 05:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.134) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 05:22:13 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C29FE2.3348F5C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Subject: [h-cost] fabric swatch books Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:22:19 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C29FE2.3348F5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I clicked on the link to Amazon, I recognized the cover right off. Last summer at Pennsic, Poison Pen Press, who merchants with me and 2 other booksellers in the Booksellers Row tent, was carrying that. I recalled that she had more copies than she wanted at the end of Pennsic, so I e-mailed her. She has that series - the silk book lists for $35, the wool book for $45 and the cotton book for $40 (only 1 copy of the cotton book remains). She is willing to offer them at a reduced price to the list members - $5 off the list price and free shipping. They aren't written up on her web site, so e-mail her at devra@aol.com if you are interested. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com > Can anyone recommend a work of reference, whether on-line, printed, or whatever, that would tell me what all these types of fabric are, how to recognize them, how to use them, when they were in use, and so on? > > (I suspect the only really useful reference would be one that came with fabric samples to feel, but that doesn't sound likely.) I've actually heard of such a book. It was mentioned on this list a couple years back. I believe this is it: All About Silk: A Fabric Dictionary & Swatchbook (Fabric Reference Series, Volume 1) It's part of a series; there's a wool book and a cotton book too. At $35 a pop, it's maybe a little much to spend to buy the whole line, but a cool thought nonetheless. The Amazon reviews are useful. 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Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:32:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA5Y2l9029292; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA5Y1Qf003112; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA5X7Qf002828 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021210053301.PKAH1248.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:33:01 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Message-ID: <000001c29fcd$baf81dd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212091737.gB9HbptA037838@jabberwock.wonderland.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:55:41 -0500 Status: RO Lee, you should ask your mailman to save them for you. If he's like my letter-carrier BF, he will be happy to. Every day letter carriers across America are tossing these things in the garbage and complaining loudly about it. Before anybody gets the wrong idea, the ones getting tossed are only the ones that have been addressed to houses where there is no one living there at the present time, or have the wrong name on them. Since they are bulk mail, they are not forwarded to new addresses when the occupants move. If it's addressed to you and you haven't recently moved, you will get it, don't worry! Just yesterday I got 2 in the mail, in those plastics-sucking hard cases no less! Linda > > I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a > couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get > those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* > instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a > sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear > tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I > figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up > with enough CDs to do the project. > > If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > > Lee Thompson-Herbert > 4600 Belfast Avenue > Oakland, CA 94619 > USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 01:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10528 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:17:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA6J2l9000900; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA6J0Qf014800; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA6IpQf014750 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021210061845053006t4b6e>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:18:45 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021209220623.00a28dd0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Oddball picture Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:08:55 -0800 Status: RO there is a picture on e-bay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1923138964 this is a picture of exactly what I look like when I sew. I am sure it is a portrait of many of us costumers. Ignore the item that is for sale. I am talking about the picture of the woman with her trusty sewing machine. maryann At 05:46 AM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a >couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of you who get >those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send them to *me* >instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a >sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make the Folkwear >tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ of them. I >figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be able to come up >with enough CDs to do the project. > >If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > >Lee Thompson-Herbert >4600 Belfast Avenue >Oakland, CA 94619 >USA > >The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a battered up collander >so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting pieces for it. >He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he should pass along >any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole thing should be >quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until May to get >everything together. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 >Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris >Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. >"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 02:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10944 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA733l9001989; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA730Qf025936; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA721Qf025713 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-44-139.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.44.139 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 07:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2a01a$828ae610$8b2caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> <002201c29fe3$71a18ac0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF540AA.904CB915@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:05:23 -0800 Status: RO Fran You may wish to try a rotary tool with a pinking blade. It's my current m.o. when I'm doing unfinished costume edges. I believe many of the blades made are designed for paper, but they begin razor sharp and against a mat, dull less rapidly than do traditional shears. They come in almost as many designs as the paper variety. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking > It sounds like if Fiskars would just produce scissors with the current > paper-pinking patterns in a decent quality, that would work. I have no > attachment to the idea of a real 18th-century style tool, just the fancy edges. > They could probably even produce ones that would work for fabric _and_ paper. > > If anyone does want to petition Fiskars, they'd probably be more responsive if > they were told other people wanted them in addition to costumers--larger > market. Maybe even paper crafters would want more durable ones. > > Fran > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Fran, hello again. We tried the paper liner idea and there was too much > > shift between the fabric and the paper; that is why we thought something > > like 'Solvy' might improve the cut. As others have suggested, the blades do > > not seem to have a longevity if the fabric project is of any length. > > Maybe some of us should petition the industry to produce some new tools of > > modern design that would be able to approximate the function of the old > > ones. I remember a past thread where repro tools for this process was > > discussed. Was it not one of the Canadian companies like Five Rivers who > > had or were thinking of manufacturing pinking irons? Kathleen > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 02:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09106 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA7s5l9003458; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA7s0Qf009043; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h000.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA7rqQf008998 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 753 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 23:53:49 -0800 Received: from 66.27.0.185 (HELO laptop) by smtp.bartholomew.com (209.228.32.64) with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 23:53:49 -0800 X-Sent: 10 Dec 2002 07:53:49 GMT From: "Luanne Bartholomew" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3DF52C25.7394.11059A7@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] Overdying question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:49:57 -0800 Status: RO I need some advice. I have a piece of loden green wool (very dark turquoise green) that I need to turn into a color more appropriate to 15th century northern Europe. Can anyone suggest what color overdye might have the best results? Many thanks, Luanne Bartholomew _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 02:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13343 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:59:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA811l9003674; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA810Qf010790; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA80JQf010571 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.111.245]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANY02346; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:00:26 GMT Message-ID: <033e01c2a022$e14dcde0$6b784ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DF52C25.7394.11059A7@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdying question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:05:18 -0000 Status: RO >I need some advice. I have a piece of loden green wool (very dark turquoise green) that I need to turn into a color more appropriate to 15th century northern Europe. Can anyone suggest what color overdye might have the best results? Hard to say without a scan picture, but I'd tend to go for a dark blue almost navy overdye, to flatten the turq shades, that should take it to a forest green Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 03:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11176 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:33:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA8Z3l9004968; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA8Z2Qf019184; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA8YoQf019122 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:34:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from opalsun (pm3b-92.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.92]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id gBA8YkD29154 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:34:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Message-ID: <003b01c2a027$378ab0c0$0fa5fea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212091346.FAA08205@gw.retro.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:36:20 -0800 Status: RO Ha, you fiend!!! I have been collecting CDs for a similar project for a while now. How are you planning on attaching them to whatever base? (I was thinking more in terms of a matador's 'traje de luz' jacket, but sleeves are too much hassle.) Margo Glenn-Lewis Davis, CA "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lee Thompson-Herbert > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:47 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Oddball request > > > > I've decided what I'm doing for my winter project. Now I just need a > couple hundred AOL CDs (or other junk CDs). Would those of > you who get > those AOL CDs in the mail and don't intend to use them send > them to *me* > instead? We're talking about doing an Intergalactic Cargo Cult at a > sci-fi convention next spring. I really, really want to make > the Folkwear > tibetan pannel coat using CDs. But I obviously need a _lot_ > of them. I > figure if I ask all the computer geeks I can find, I may be > able to come up > with enough CDs to do the project. > > If you wish to support this silliness, you can mail your junk CDs to: > > Lee Thompson-Herbert > 4600 Belfast Avenue > Oakland, CA 94619 > USA > > The guy I did the collander helmet for just gave me a > battered up collander > so I can have a Happy Helmet too. I'm already collecting > pieces for it. > He figured I put in so much time on his costume, that he > should pass along > any promising junk he finds at the flea market. The whole > thing should be > quite a sight if we can manage to pull it off. We have until > May to get > everything together. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 04:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22153 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA9h4l9006448; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA9h0Qf004492; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA9gVQf004388 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id CAA14972 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212101004.CAA14972@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:04:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Margo Glenn-Lewis" wrote: > > Ha, you fiend!!! I have been collecting CDs for a similar project for a > while now. How are you planning on attaching them to whatever base? (I > was thinking more in terms of a matador's 'traje de luz' jacket, but sleeves > are too much hassle.) I own a drill press and a scroll saw. And a dremel that I use for polishing polymer clay pieces (among other things). I plan to layer the CDs somewhat like fish scales, so the overlap at least partially covers the hole in the middle of the CD. An alternate method would be to treat the CDs like giant sequins, probably using washers and rivets to fasten them down. Klang the Original 21st Century Dragon was built using this method: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album1/image8.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album4/image11.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album5/image10.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album5/image11.html Klang is a hobby animal, but I've been unable to find out which morris team Klang and Blessed Margaret work with. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 04:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22165 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA9o4l9006602; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBA9o1Qf005942; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40003.mail.yahoo.com (web40003.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBA9noQf005899 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:49:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210094945.35925.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:49:45 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Apolgies for coming into this topic rather late. Haven't been checking my email all that regularly at the moment due to masses of sewing to do. As far as the terms are concerned biggin wasn't used during Elizabeth's reign is comes in sometime during the 17th century. I can't remember the first date it can be documented to as I don't have the relevant research with me at the moment. Coif seems to have been a term used for a linen cap for both men and women and nothing more specific. This is based on documentary evidence such as wills and inventories during the 16th century and is applicable to England only. I'll have to dig around for the evidence if anyone wants any more information. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 05:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22298 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAAG4l9007360; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAAG1Qf025813; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAAFlQf024249 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:15:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4FD2218B for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip182.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.182]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 018CC21715 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:15:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003e01c2a035$129cc510$b6614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:15:30 -0500 Status: RO Please share on list! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] dye resources? > I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus > natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does > anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these > materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of > overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? > > Thanks, > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 06:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22595 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABR2l9009870; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABR0Qf029500; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABQ7Qf029295 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-211.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.211] helo=megan2) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18LiWc-0004dq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:26:06 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <200212101004.CAA14972@gw.retro.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:34:14 -0500 Status: RO I've been saving them to make a cape- but I was planning on cutting them into quarters, drilling a hole in each "scale" and applying them in layers more like fish scales. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lee Thompson-Herbert Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request "Margo Glenn-Lewis" wrote: > > Ha, you fiend!!! I have been collecting CDs for a similar project for a > while now. How are you planning on attaching them to whatever base? (I > was thinking more in terms of a matador's 'traje de luz' jacket, but sleeves > are too much hassle.) I own a drill press and a scroll saw. And a dremel that I use for polishing polymer clay pieces (among other things). I plan to layer the CDs somewhat like fish scales, so the overlap at least partially covers the hole in the middle of the CD. An alternate method would be to treat the CDs like giant sequins, probably using washers and rivets to fasten them down. Klang the Original 21st Century Dragon was built using this method: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album1/image8.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album4/image11.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album5/image10.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sandyglover/album5/image11.html Klang is a hobby animal, but I've been unable to find out which morris team Klang and Blessed Margaret work with. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 06:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22652 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:32:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABY3l9010022; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABY1Qf001060; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBABXPQf000937 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:33:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWssY4pBoIPLv4v9wWDbefleJdjqFXwoOcA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKNSJV3E; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:32:37 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? snaps Message-ID: <20021210.063101.-172653.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:03:27 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Claire. I searched and searched and found a ton of stuff about buttons, hook and eyes and more than I ever wanted to know about zippers, but absolutely nothing about snaps. From their construction, I figured they had to be fairly modern. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 06:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22697 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABe4l9010151; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBABe0Qf002296; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBABdXQf002178 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWssY4pBoIPLvNhO8QAC0hjWEaR8PkckCBA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKNSVXCE; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:38:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Message-ID: <20021210.063735.-172653.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,8-9,12-14 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:37:34 -0500 Status: RO <<< Would this chew up the fabric less? I'm assuming it gets chewed up, since dull scissors tend to do that.>>> It isn't so much that the scissors are dull as that they are not designed to cut fabric. They are not strong enough to do the job. Good fabric scissors need to be maintained and not just to keep them sharp, but also to regulate the pressure the blades exert against each other. The plastic paper scissors blades just can't maintain enough pressure against each other. Hope this makes some kind of sense. I am up after three hours sleep because my hip hurt so bad I couldn't sleep so probably shouldn't be trying to think. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 08:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23971 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:51:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBADr7l9013820; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBADr1Qf004197; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBADqcQf004080 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:52:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 97880 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 13:52:34 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067788 secs); 10 Dec 2002 13:52:34 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067788 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 13:52:34 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-Reply-To: <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> Message-ID: <20021210085013.B67859-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:52:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > One of our "dreams" is to find a usable pot big enough to do > dress-yardage in....I'd love to have a fitted gown or flemish done with > naturally-dyed wool....*sigh* Me too! And what's more, I found one! Check beer brewing suppliers. They have vast brewing pots, in 10, 15 & even 20 gallon sizes. Some of them even have a tap at the bottom where you can drain the pot without tipping it over...and some are also designed to sit over outdoor gas stovey brewey things. What's next on my list to find (once said brewer friend gets me that pot) is the wooden windlass used to dye fabric lengths in the pots. I think I'll be making that one. Thanks, Drea > --Maire > > Drea Leed wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus > > natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does > > anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these > > materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of > > overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drea > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 08:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24094 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBADx4l9014084; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBADx1Qf005910; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBADvoQf005569 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07139 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:06:49 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdying question In-Reply-To: <3DF52C25.7394.11059A7@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:06:49 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Luanne Bartholomew wrote: > I need some advice. I have a piece of loden green wool (very dark > turquoise green) that I need to turn into a color more appropriate to > 15th century northern Europe. Can anyone suggest what color overdye > might have the best results? Here's where one of my weak areas shows. What's wrong with the color you have? I have a package of samples from a dyer who specializes in replicating medieval methods, and there are greenish hues in the indigos. I have a pile of wool in a blue shade with a touch of green to it - the store called it "mallard," and it's just that shade from a duck's plumage. It's quite close to several of my indigo samples (they may have been overdyed with some weld or vice versa, I'm not sure). I've used a bunch for a 15th century man's cote (though not for someone who needs strict authenticity) and was thinking of using the rest for a fitted dress. If there's some reason this color's off, I do want to know before I cut into it! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:04:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24181 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:04:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE42l9014227; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE41Qf007357; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE3SQf007232 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:03:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id B807A1E260F; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:03:24 +0000 (GMT) To: From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021210140324.B807A1E260F@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Subject: [h-cost] Press-studs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:03:24 GMT Status: RO Did a bit of Googling on this one. http://www.bookitprogram.com/archives/01-02/bibliography/timeline.asp suggests that the press-stud was invented in 1886 by someone called Pierre-Albert Raymond. But I can't find anything else about him :( Hope that helps at least a little ? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24188 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:05:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE6vl9014324; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:06:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE6tQf008243; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAE3wQf007324 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBAE6mF24224.; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:06:48 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:03:55 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queries about coifs, biggins and headrails Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBAE3wQf007324 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:03:29 +0000 Status: RO I've just checked the OED, which gives the earliest use of "Byggen" for a baby's bonnet as 1530, thought most of its references are 17th century. It also defines "head-rail" as a modernisatiion of a Saxon term. However, C.W. and P. Cunnington state that a headrail in the early 17c was a square of fabric with one corner turned under and pinned on the top of the head, with the rest hanging down the back. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> rachel_holliday@yahoo.co.uk 12/10/02 09:49am >>> Apolgies for coming into this topic rather late. Haven't been checking my email all that regularly at the moment due to masses of sewing to do. As far as the terms are concerned biggin wasn't used during Elizabeth's reign is comes in sometime during the 17th century. I can't remember the first date it can be documented to as I don't have the relevant research with me at the moment. Coif seems to have been a term used for a linen cap for both men and women and nothing more specific. This is based on documentary evidence such as wills and inventories during the 16th century and is applicable to England only. I'll have to dig around for the evidence if anyone wants any more information. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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Grenish blue for a mallard is not turq, it is the turquoise that is the potential problem I think Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24336 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:23:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEP0l9015096; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEP0eZ013727; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEOueZ013712 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBAERmF25534.; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:27:48 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:24:55 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBAEOueZ013712 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:24:28 +0000 Status: RO AlbertCat wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Of course anything can have a pinked edge. It's not just a sewing term. >Y'know the flowers "Cottage pinks" do indeed come in pink, but are named >for the pinked edge of the petals. And I understand the colour pink was named after the flower. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24409 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:33:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEY2l9015613; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEY0eZ016744; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEXQeZ016532 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.66.2b538b20 (25305) for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:32:26 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <66.2b538b20.2b2754fa@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.2b538b20.2b2754fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10674 Subject: [h-cost] Re: oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:32:26 EST Status: RO --part1_66.2b538b20.2b2754fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 2:36:47 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Just yesterday I got 2 in the mail, > in those plastics-sucking hard cases no less! I save all the bad dics for a nieghbors Aunt. She paints pictures on them, landscapes mainly, and sells them. They are pretty pictures. I save the cases for myself incase I need to mail a cd to someone. I know in the last couple of years someone was doing a project out cd's. I never did see a picture of the finished project. When you guy's do the odd projects like this please post a picture of it when it is done? I would like to see it. I can just see it now, in 20 years a school kid will be doing a project for school where he gets assigned to find all these cd's and recreate your masterpiece. Kelly --part1_66.2b538b20.2b2754fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 2:36:47 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


Just yesterday I got 2 in the mail,
in those plastics-sucking hard cases no less!

I save all the bad dics for a nieghbors Aunt.  She paints pictures on them, landscapes mainly, and sells them.  They are pretty pictures.  I save the cases for myself incase I need to mail a cd to someone. 
I know in the last couple of years someone was doing a project out cd's.  I never did see a picture of the finished project.  When you guy's do the odd projects like this please post a picture of it when it is done?  I would like to see it.  I can just see it now, in 20 years a school kid will be doing a project for school where he gets assigned to find all these cd's and recreate your masterpiece. 
Kelly
 --part1_66.2b538b20.2b2754fa_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24449 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEb1l9015710; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEb1eZ017719; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAEaYeZ017577 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:36:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 90806 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 14:36:27 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.066178 secs); 10 Dec 2002 14:36:27 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.066178 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 14:36:27 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions abook studies. In-Reply-To: <3DF538A2.1AF754D7@inetone.net> Message-ID: <20021210091352.F67859-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Please do! It will be really neat to see how that works out. Thanks, Drea On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Dhannti wrote: > > > Drea Leed wrote: > > > > Hm. It's hard to tell with all the black and the gold trim on top, but it > > may have been accomplished using a pattern like that at > > http://costume.dm.net/Tailors/pages/f87L.html > > > > The extra fabric for the puff is added to the underseam side, so when the > > sleeve is gathered at the top, it has an interesting puff. > > > > Thank you for the link I'm going to try it with a mockup. I'll let you > know how it works out. > > Di > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:38:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24478 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:38:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEe2l9015879; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEe0eZ018652; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAEdKeZ018468 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:39:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 97872 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 14:39:15 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.06537 secs); 10 Dec 2002 14:39:15 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.06537 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 14:39:15 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021209134116.00b7a3c0@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <20021210093909.D67859-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:39:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks! Drea On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, kris wrote: > At 04:20 PM 09/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm looking for a source for alum, copperas, cream of tartar, etc. plus > >natural dye materials like madder, weld, cutch, and more. Does > >anyone on the list know of a good mailorder source for all or any of these > >materials? I've found some places on the web, but am a bit wary of > >overpricedness and dyestuff quality. Any good references? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Drea > > > http://www.maiwa.com/ > It's in Vancouver, BC, so keep in mind that the prices are Canadian. I've > used some of their products before, purchased in their shop, and they seem > quite good. > > kris > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24675 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:48:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEo2l9016423; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEo1eZ021951; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAEnheZ021857 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:49:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26581 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 14:49:39 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.080638 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 14:49:39 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] paned sleeves In-Reply-To: <200212090730.gB97UVw6002785@net.indra.com> Message-ID: <20021210094902.I67859-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:49:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've gotten enough enthused replies that I'll post the info up on a webpage & post the URL to the list when it's up; that way I can include the sketch of the sleeve as well. Thanks, Drea On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 Gia_Gavino@attbi.com wrote: > Oh dear! > > I've been so busy that I've been just deleting by subject line...and this > subject line really caught my attention! So, if this was mentioned in an > email where the subject line wasn't changed, I've really missed out on some > great info! Rats! > > Whoever did the notes on 17th c paned sleeves, I'd be interested in a copy > too! I don't know how much or who or when, but I'm always interested in > learning more! > > Gia/Giacinta > > Please send me a copy too of the notes you took on the > > 17c paned sleeves. I'm going to ask Cassandra Greer > > to send me a copy of the Munich catalog as soon as I > > pay off the furnace repairs next week and then I want > > to start a copy of the woman's paned doublet. I > > figure all those panes will be good stuck inside > > winter work so am looking for all the info on paning I > > can get. > > Cassandra > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 09:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24723 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEu1l9016731; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEu0eZ023939; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEtAeZ023696 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBAEs3ph047196 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212101454.gBAEs3ph047196@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinking scissors pics To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Marionetta@aol.com" at Dec 09, 2002 08:14:59 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO here are the rotary blades: http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24911&PRODID=53404 They say they are for paper, but it's worth checking out. .heather. > > > --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Wouldnt you know joannes website actually had pics of them? Doh! Anyway > here are the links for the new fabric pinking scissors, which are on sale > btw- $30.39 > xmas presents anyone? > > click on the pics of the scissors to see a close up, design is on the edge of > the pkg > > http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24988&PRODID=47325 > http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=40924&PRODID=47324 > > Cheers, > > Loren Dearborn > marionetta@aol.com > > --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >
> Wouldnt you know joannes website actually had pics of them?  Doh!  Anyway here are the links for the new fabric pinking scissors, which are on sale btw- $30.39
> xmas presents anyone?
>
> click on the pics of the scissors to see a close up, design is on the edge of the pkg
>
> http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24988&PRODID=47325
> http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=40924&PRODID=47324
>
> Cheers,
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> Loren Dearborn
> marionetta@aol.com > > --part1_d0.313fb6db.2b269a13_boundary-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 11:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25307 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAGc4l9024868; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAGc0rf011430; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21411.mail.yahoo.com (web21411.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAGbTrf011213 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:37:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021210163727.70845.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.109] by web21411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:37:27 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:37:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I don't know whether to be inspired or depressed for next year's projects. Not counting mending or UFO's here goes: For my other half: A set of black robes inspired by Snape An outfit inspired by Gilderoy Lockhart's dueling costume A cotehardie in green and gold fleur-de-lis fabric A black wool cotehardie A grey herringbone wool cloak, lined in blue wool A "wolf Shaman" outfit Black silk shirt Banner with his device For a Client: 5 "Norman" style gowns in various colours (early 1200's) 3 Pelicons for gowns, one reversible 1 Gothic Fitted Gown 1 "Irish" Gown (W/ sleeves!) 2 shirts, pairs of breeches and 1 vest veil, wimple, and other accessories for gowns For my 8 year old son: Curtains and shades with appliqued griffins A blue & green particolour cotehardie with appliqued griffins Armor and shield for him Banner with his device For my Brother and Household: New banner 8 hoods 13 favors 5 cloaks 3 shirts 2 cotehardies 6 pairs of breeches My personal projects: Green velvet robe inspired by Professor McGonagal, but with beaded cartridge pleating in the sleeves and back A "wolf shaman" female "Queen of Spades" and "Joker" masquerade entries A 'corsair' style jacket 2 Gothic fitted gowns-one in aubergine wool and the other in black (both cashmere blends) Crazy Quilt Elizabethan from Margo's pattern (and the underpinnings) A vest/sash combo of a purple and metallic silky stripe from my LA trip 3 quilts (Heraldic Terms, Vision Quest, Tree of Life) On the bright side, I'm going to be using up a good portion of my stash for this....the only thing I don't currently have fabric for is the Corsair coat...because I want a brocade or similar fabric in black and silver, purple and black or purple and silver. (And I haven't found any yet...not even when I was in the LA Fashion district *sigh*) Angharat/ wolfcat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 11:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25328 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAGjMl9025450; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:45:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAGjJrf015480; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:45:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAGiprf015196 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:44:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 32709 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 16:44:45 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067688 secs); 10 Dec 2002 16:44:45 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067688 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 16:44:45 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021210114131.D69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] 16th c. Tailor's Book online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It's finally up! The Tailor's Book of Enns (c. 1590, German) is online at http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch It's currently un-annotated or translated, as I haven't been able to decipher the handwritten text very well. I can get the basic words (Rock, Mantl, und, mit, eln), but fall on my face with most of the others. If any of you know 16th c. German paleography (or know someone who does) and could help to transcribe a page or two for me to use as a key, that'd be brilliant. Enjoy the info, regardless. Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 12:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25498 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHD1l9027926; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHD1rf001640; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHBwrf001095 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from RECEPTION.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.82]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gBAHBvx28692 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:11:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021210084648.01298f80@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? In-Reply-To: <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3501718==.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:11:56 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_3501718==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:42 PM 12/9/2002 -0700, Sue Clemenger wrote: >She's used everything you listed below except, >perhaps, copperas (that one, I'm not sure on). You can dye in a large copper pot, add copper shavings, or get copperas in a powder form. I recommend the later. Even if you don't overdye it, it's lovely to work with and by itsself produces a lovely light mint green. I got my last batch through the lab. Straw in Gold used to carry it **sighs** >One of our "dreams" is to find a usable pot big enough to do >dress-yardage in....I'd love to have a fitted gown or flemish done with >naturally-dyed wool....*sigh* >--Maire As well as having a pot large enough to support the full fabric width, you'll need someone to make the rollers to hold the yardage as you feed and return across the vat. Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_3501718==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:42 PM 12/9/2002 -0700, Sue Clemenger wrote:
She's used everything you listed below except,
perhaps, copperas (that one, I'm not sure on).

You can dye in a large copper pot, add copper shavings, or get copperas in a powder form. I recommend the later. Even if you don't overdye it, it's lovely to work with and by itsself produces a lovely light mint green. I got my last batch through the lab. Straw in Gold used to carry it **sighs**

One of our "dreams" is to find a usable pot big enough to do
dress-yardage in....I'd love to have a fitted gown or flemish done with
naturally-dyed wool....*sigh*
--Maire

As well as having a pot large enough to support the full fabric width, you'll need someone to make the rollers to hold the yardage as you feed and return across the vat.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis
--=====================_3501718==.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 12:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25523 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHB5l9027741; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHB2rf000550; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHAKrf029992 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ad.2784dc5a (657) for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:09:58 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ad.2784dc5a.2b2779e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:09:57 EST Status: RO --part1_ad.2784dc5a.2b2779e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/2002 9:30:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Rayon was first marketed as "artificial silk," and > for good reason. > > Rayon was, I believe, first marketed as artificial silk because the inventors reasoned that, if silk worms ate mulberry leaves and extruded a fiber, humans could do something similar. But rayon is still cellulose after chemical treatment, whereas the silkworms digest cellulose and extrude a protein fiber. Rayon does drape more softly than some of the other cellulosics, and it absorbs moisture (hence, dyes well but also wrinkles like crazy) more so than the natural cellulosics. This has to do with its molecular structure, which is more amorphous. But chemically it is identical to cotton, linen, et.al., so you can't distinguish it by burn tests. Microscopic examination, especially of cross sections, is usually a dead giveaway but extremely difficult to do at home, even if you have a microscope. So you pretty much have to be trusting of the labels--usually (but not always) reliable at the big chain fabric stores. More iffy at small independents. Fiber content labeling is required by federal law, but some small outfits don't seem to be aware of it. Ann Wass --part1_ad.2784dc5a.2b2779e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/2002 9:30:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes:


Rayon was first marketed as "artificial silk," and
for good reason.



Rayon was, I believe, first marketed as artificial silk because the inventors reasoned that, if silk worms ate mulberry leaves and extruded a fiber, humans could do something similar.  But rayon is still cellulose after chemical treatment, whereas the silkworms digest cellulose and extrude a protein fiber. 

Rayon does drape more softly than some of the other cellulosics, and it absorbs moisture (hence, dyes well but also wrinkles like crazy) more so than the natural cellulosics.  This has to do with its molecular structure, which is more amorphous.  But chemically it is identical to cotton, linen, et.al., so you can't distinguish it by burn tests.  Microscopic examination, especially of cross sections, is usually a dead giveaway but extremely difficult to do at home, even if you have a microscope.

So you pretty much have to be trusting of the labels--usually (but not always) reliable at the big chain fabric stores.  More iffy at small independents.  Fiber content labeling is required by federal law, but some small outfits don't seem to be aware of it.

Ann Wass --part1_ad.2784dc5a.2b2779e5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 12:42:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25769 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHgBl9000628; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHg1rf017990; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAHfUrf017677 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:41:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08326 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:50:29 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:50:29 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > So you pretty much have to be trusting of the labels--usually (but not > always) reliable at the big chain fabric stores. More iffy at small > independents. Fiber content labeling is required by federal law, but > some small outfits don't seem to be aware of it. As I work at a small fabric store (managed by someone who used to manage a Hancock's), I can testify that in our corner of the universe, labeling isn't reliable in either large or small shops, and it's not only because small outfits aren't aware of it. If anything, the larger outfits have shown less interest and care in my experience, perhaps because their clientele is less fussy about fiber content than the people on this list. I've seen mislabeled bolts at both JoAnn's and Hancock's and the employees often don't know the difference or look puzzled when I ask. I've even gotten mislabeled merchandise from Vogue Fabrics in Chicago (which reimbursed me for the fabric when I called them and mailed it back). It mostly depends on the supplier. A lot of what we get at our shop (often from European designers) is mislabeled or unlabeled. For the unlabeled ones, we do burn tests and sometimes bleach tests at the shop to identify wools and wool blends and some silks. When it comes to distinguishing cotton/linen/rayon or recognizing their presence in a blend, we're up a creek, because a burn test won't show you, say, a bit of rayon in a wool blend, at least not with certainty. We have a few good people who can do best guesses, and we label a lot of stuff generically as "wool blend" or "linen blend" just to be sure, even though it might be 100%. We had a lot of merchandise labeled by a former manager as "silk" or "linen" that was a wild-ass guess, and just plain wrong (as I found out after some burn tests that revealed poly or other synthetics). We still find a bolt of this on the shelf occasionally, and fix the tags, but I gather that in doing that we're more scrupulous than most shops. For the ones that come in already labeled, the word from the owner is to label it as it comes, even if we suspect it's wrong, because it's not our error. We get hundreds of bolts and can't second-guess them all. I would guess that the larger shops have the same problems. I test what I buy, or what I'm considering buying, and fix the tags when I find errors, but there's a hell of a lot in the store that I'm not testing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25934 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:02:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI32l9002481; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI31pe029241; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f184.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI1xpe028590 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:01:54 -0800 Received: from 81.97.204.40 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:01:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [81.97.204.40] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 18:01:54.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[393D50E0:01C2A076] Subject: [h-cost] coifs etc Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:01:54 +0000 Status: RO Thanks for the comments and advice. The earliest reference to bigon (yet another spelling) I have in my research is 1608, Rachael, but I trust the OED. The raile,rayle reference is brilliant Kate, thanks. Another term that I'm finding difficult to pin down is partlett.There are kerchers, neckerchers headkerchers and so on but no partlett. Is this because it's a high class garment? The hardest thing I'm finding in my research is that so much for the earlier period is in Latin. Pilum for cap appears and so does camecia for smock. Is there such a thing as 'Tudor and Elizabethan latin? regards Joy (who is returning to the 17th century asap) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:03:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25944 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI23l9002404; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI21pe028663; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAI1tpe028544 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:45 -0500 Received: by noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] London waterfront excavation article Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:39 -0500 Status: RO Thought some of you might be interested in this. The December issue of British Archaeology (available to read online) has an informative article on the London Waterfront excavations. The author mentions shoes, pottery, etc among the variety of items found. The article primarily illustrates the impact on learning about medieval times that this excavation has brought about. http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba68/feat3.shtml Connie E. Fairchild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:16:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26180 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:16:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIH3l9003536; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIH1pe006845; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAIG7pe006331 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 92006 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 18:16:00 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.064398 secs); 10 Dec 2002 18:16:00 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.064398 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 18:16:00 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021210131415.Q69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Joy, I've seen partlets mentioned in King Henry VIII's inventories, back in 1545. They are always mentioned with sleeves. I'll have to double check that, but I'm pretty sure. In fact, there was a very interesting reference to a knitted partlet and sleeves in Henry's inventories. I believe the Lisle letters mention partlets as well, though I've only heard that secondhand. That would put it back to the 1520s/30s. Drea On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Joy Shillaker wrote: > Thanks for the comments and advice. > The earliest reference to bigon (yet another spelling) I have in my research > is 1608, Rachael, but I trust the OED. The raile,rayle reference is > brilliant Kate, thanks. > > Another term that I'm finding difficult to pin down is partlett.There are > kerchers, neckerchers headkerchers and so on but no partlett. Is this > because it's a high class garment? > > The hardest thing I'm finding in my research is that so much for the earlier > period is in Latin. Pilum for cap appears and so does camecia for smock. Is > there such a thing as 'Tudor and Elizabethan latin? > > regards > Joy > (who is returning to the 17th century asap) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26217 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIQ3l9004409; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIQ1pe011769; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIP5pe011317 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from RECEPTION.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.82]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gBAIP4x07300 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:25:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021210094657.02107fd8@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. Tailor's Book online In-Reply-To: <20021210114131.D69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7888937==.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:25:03 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_7888937==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Excellent... I wish this manuscript was easier to come by! The coat in this page makes up surprisingly well. http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch/page35.jpg I remember years ago getting into a flame war over how it was impossible to do >; ) I had a student help me the translations years ago. I'll see if I can locate the files again. Life's little ironies At 11:44 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, Drea Leed wrote: >It's finally up! The Tailor's Book of Enns (c. 1590, German) is online at >http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch > >It's currently un-annotated or translated, as I haven't been able to >decipher the handwritten text very well. I can get the basic words (Rock, >Mantl, und, mit, eln), but fall on my face with most of the others. If >any of you know 16th c. German paleography (or know someone who does) and >could help to transcribe a page or two for me to use as a key, that'd be >brilliant. Enjoy the info, regardless. > >Thanks, > >Drea Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_7888937==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Excellent... I wish this manuscript was easier to come by!

The coat in this page makes up surprisingly well. http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch/page35.jpg
I remember years ago getting into a flame war over how it was impossible to do >; ) I had a student help me the translations years ago. I'll see if I can locate the files again.

Life's little ironies

At 11:44 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, Drea Leed wrote:
It's finally up!  The Tailor's Book of Enns (c. 1590, German) is online at
http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch

It's currently un-annotated or translated, as I haven't been able to
decipher the handwritten text very well.  I can get the basic words (Rock,
Mantl, und, mit, eln), but fall on my face with most of the others.  If
any of you know 16th c. German paleography (or know someone who does) and
could help to transcribe a page or two for me to use as a key, that'd be
brilliant. Enjoy the info, regardless.

Thanks,

Drea

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis
--=====================_7888937==.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26391 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:43:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIi4l9006154; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIi2pe021540; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAIh2pe020982 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 69117 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 18:42:52 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.075982 secs); 10 Dec 2002 18:42:52 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.075982 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 18:42:52 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. Tailor's Book online In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021210094657.02107fd8@blue.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <20021210134206.D69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Me too! I've been trying to find a way to get a copy of the tailor's book in Innsbruck for a while now too, but the stinkers at the Tiroler Landeschaftsmuseum won't even allow pictures to be taken of it. Thanks, Drea On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > > Excellent... I wish this manuscript was easier to come by! > > The coat in this page makes up surprisingly well. > http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch/page35.jpg > I remember years ago getting into a flame war over how it was impossible to > do >; ) I had a student help me the translations years ago. I'll see if I > can locate the files again. > > Life's little ironies > > At 11:44 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, Drea Leed wrote: > >It's finally up! The Tailor's Book of Enns (c. 1590, German) is online at > >http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch > > > >It's currently un-annotated or translated, as I haven't been able to > >decipher the handwritten text very well. I can get the basic words (Rock, > >Mantl, und, mit, eln), but fall on my face with most of the others. If > >any of you know 16th c. German paleography (or know someone who does) and > >could help to transcribe a page or two for me to use as a key, that'd be > >brilliant. Enjoy the info, regardless. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Drea > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California at Davis > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 13:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26401 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:45:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIj2l9006273; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAIj1pe022124; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAIinpe021993 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 73846 invoked by uid 1005); 10 Dec 2002 18:44:41 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067453 secs); 10 Dec 2002 18:44:41 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067453 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 18:44:41 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th c. Tailor's Book online In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021210094657.02107fd8@blue.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <20021210134404.G69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:44:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry, hit "send" too soon... That translation would be a dream come true. Thanks SOOOOO much! Drea On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > > Excellent... I wish this manuscript was easier to come by! > > The coat in this page makes up surprisingly well. > http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch/page35.jpg > I remember years ago getting into a flame war over how it was impossible to > do >; ) I had a student help me the translations years ago. I'll see if I > can locate the files again. > > Life's little ironies > > At 11:44 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, Drea Leed wrote: > >It's finally up! The Tailor's Book of Enns (c. 1590, German) is online at > >http://costume.dm.net/schnittbuch > > > >It's currently un-annotated or translated, as I haven't been able to > >decipher the handwritten text very well. I can get the basic words (Rock, > >Mantl, und, mit, eln), but fall on my face with most of the others. If > >any of you know 16th c. German paleography (or know someone who does) and > >could help to transcribe a page or two for me to use as a key, that'd be > >brilliant. Enjoy the info, regardless. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Drea > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California at Davis > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 14:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26556 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJB4l9008677; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJB0pe006931; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAJAjpe006796 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWssY4pBoIPLvCqivGcFSO28hu3WIyeYGwQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKPLQZK7; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:10:20 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Press-studs Message-ID: <20021210.140816.-560137.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:13 -0500 Status: RO What an interesting list. I had to print it all out for future reference. Thanks for sharing!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 14:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26630 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJR4l9010051; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJR1pe015506; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBAJPupe014928 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25069 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.139) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3DF63FA8.871794D7@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] paned sleeves References: <20021210094902.I67859-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:28 -0500 Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > > I've gotten enough enthused replies that I'll post the info up on a > webpage & post the URL to the list when it's up; that way I can include > the sketch of the sleeve as well. Thats great! Thank you. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 14:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26662 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJX5l9010491; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJX1pe018520; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJW6pe018031 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fc2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.194]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 260AD5EE89F for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:32:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00d801c2a082$e86f0de0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <3DF49A7F.C4595B59@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:32:42 +0100 Status: RO Oh yes, i did safe every picture, and it could be inspiration for some other embroidered things. Lovely! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric > What a shame....if it were in better shape, I can just *see* Bjarne > buying it for something....somehow, those flowers really reminded me of > the embroidery he does sometimes! > --sue > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > --- MaryAnn Jones wrote: > there is fabric on e-bay that > > says it is 1750s. Is this even possible? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=927744232&category=2222 > > > > Yes I think it very well is, and I know that the seller has been selling a lot > > of stunning antiques in the past year. BUT I would never ever buy this piece of > > silk even if I had the money, the rot has set in so badly that it has already > > holes: once silk has started to rot there is nothing one can do other than > > slowing the process: it WILL rot no matter. > > > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 14:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26742 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJo7l9011751; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJo1pe027377; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJn3pe026855 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08816 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:58:03 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Italian article on costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:58:03 -0600 (CST) Status: RO One of my librarian friends refers me to this. I have no idea what it's about, as I don't read Italian! Paolo Peri, "Il costume nella festa," in Patrimonium in festa, ed. A. Modigliani (Viterbo, 2000). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 14:52:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26757 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:52:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJr2l9012022; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJr1pe029074; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAJqhpe028897 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip212.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.212]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBAJqca01771 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinking scissors pics Message-ID: <3DF5D306.15049.41536439@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200212101454.gBAEs3ph047196@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: from "Marionetta@aol.com" at Dec 09, 2002 08:14:59 PM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:41:58 -0800 Status: RO > here are the rotary blades: > http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24911&PRODID=53404 > > They say they are for paper, but it's worth checking out. > > .heather. I've used these to pink the edges of faille to get that mid18th C edge you see in so many of the extant dresses. However, they seem to wear out very quickly. I've also tried the scissors meant for doing scrapbooks (paper.) They work ok for the first few cuts on the fabric, but then they just drag it through (even though they were brand new when they started.) Frankly, they don't work all that well for paper either (which I found out doing scrapbook stuff). Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 18:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27841 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:10:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANBAl9029126; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANB0xG018998; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANArxG018912 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:10:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LtWb-0006rx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:10:50 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th c. Tailor's Book online Message-ID: <003701c2a0a1$74ee7a80$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20021210114131.D69011-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:11:21 -0700 Status: RO Wow-Thank you!! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 18:25:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27915 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANR6l9000420; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANR5xG027935; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANQNxG027591 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.42] (as3-4-56.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.42]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBANQL001915 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:26:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200212101004.CAA14972@gw.retro.com> References: <200212101004.CAA14972@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:28:44 -0800 Status: RO At 2:04 AM -0800 12/10/02, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: >"Margo Glenn-Lewis" wrote: >> >> Ha, you fiend!!! I have been collecting CDs for a similar project for a >> while now. How are you planning on attaching them to whatever base? (I >> was thinking more in terms of a matador's 'traje de luz' jacket, but sleeves >> are too much hassle.) > >I own a drill press and a scroll saw. And a dremel that I use for polishing >polymer clay pieces (among other things). I plan to layer the CDs somewhat >like fish scales, so the overlap at least partially covers the hole in the >middle of the CD. Lee, since your address is in Oakland, I'm wondering if you've seen the car with CD fish-scales that I spotted on San Pablo Blvd once? (It may, however, have been an out-of-towner that was around for an "art cars" weekend.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 18:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27925 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANU2l9000640; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANU1xG029427; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBANTWxG029170 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:29:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ltoh-00029c-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:29:31 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <003901c2a0a4$1190faf0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <$yfdsCDxVP99Iwoi@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Difference between Gollers;Caplets, and Partlets was: Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:04 -0700 Status: RO This is how I would differentiate them, though some may differ with my opinion. It is my understanding that both originate in the Netherlands and Germany. I haven't documented any of my sources yet. I am just going on memory here. The partlet is tied under the armpits on the outside or tucked in. Other than a fancy lace one (on Drea's site?) I don't think there are any other extant examples. Some supposedly had sleeves. My Hunisett is on loan, but as I recall she has several examples which tie around the waist-(I may be remembering a chemisett) The goller and caplet sit on the outside of the gown. Huge variety here in fit, collar styles, fullness etc. I am working on a hand out for the class I will be teaching-I'll get it on my website sometime after February. Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Jean Waddie >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:57 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach's Portrait of a woman 1522-better picture anyone? > >Is a goller/caplet a similar thing to a partlet? > >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 19:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28266 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:52:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB0s2l9006802; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB0s0xG006285; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20209.mail.yahoo.com (web20209.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBB0rdxG006187 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:53:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021211005339.46031.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:53:39 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian article on costume To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:53:39 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > One of my librarian friends refers me to this. I > have no idea what it's > about, as I don't read Italian! > > Paolo Peri, "Il costume nella festa," in Patrimonium > in festa, ed. A. > Modigliani (Viterbo, 2000). It's something like "festival customs", I think. Is this an article or book? Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28700 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:05:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB272Nw004229; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB270xG002170; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB26nxG002040 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBB2V1aB026437; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:31:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBB2V0R8026435; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Jennifer Geard Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> <3DF56291.D0BB6780@in-tch.com> <200212101804.56051.geard@verso.org> In-Reply-To: <200212101804.56051.geard@verso.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212102131.00304.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBB26nxG002040 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0500 Status: RO On Tuesday 10 December 2002 12:04 am, Jennifer Geard wrote: [text cut here] > I could > only ever get walnut shells once they were dry, producing a standard > brown tannic dye, but the wet hulls are meant to produce a black dye. > There's also some speculation that walnut dye had anti-bacterial > properties, and was favoured for viking-age undergarments for this > reason. Really? So the Vikings favored black/brown anti-bacterial underwear? :-) Seriously, if and when you get time, I would really appreciate it if you could please send me whatever information you have about the sources of the speculation you've referred to above. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28714 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:10:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2C2Nw004532; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2C0xG003907; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2BMxG003692 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip145.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.145]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBB2BJ11019613 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:11:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210192949.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:30:34 -0500 Status: RO At 07:18 PM 12/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: >So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan >glazed cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, >can the glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness >survive the washing machine? > >Kayta That's the polished cotton or chintz I was looking for. The home dec department, apparently! If I come across any on the web, I'll post links :) Thanks, folks, for all the help! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28719 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2C8Nw004552; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2C7xG003978; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2BOxG003704 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip145.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.145]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBB2BJ13019613 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:11:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210193621.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208202614.00a1c5e0@mail.attbi.com> References: <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:41:38 -0500 Status: RO I can think of one problem with this -- if it snows, the linen will get wet, of course, and damp. Wool repels water somewhat and you'll be able to brush most of the snow off, and even when wool gets wet it still keeps you warm. If you want some good deals on wool, trimfabrics.com usually has a good selection, and Phoenix Textiles (I don't have the URL handy, but you can search) is often a good source, too. I read the rest of your post about wool, but really, a cloak, since it's not close-fitting, shouldn't be that bad in snowy weather. If this is really a problem, maybe you could make a 'fancy' cloak out of something like cotton velvet lined with satin, with perhaps some discreet Scotchguard (note: I have no idea if Scotchguard works on velvet, having not used it myself). There are cloaks of a sort that have openings for the head like a poncho, but they're not Elizabethan -- I think they date from much earlier in the middle ages. I think Elizabethan-style cloaks are generally a half-circle, but someone more well-versed on that period will have to address that. Cheers, Mara At 08:52 PM 12/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I also think that I need a cape since it snowed last year at the Angel's >Camp faire. I have some heavy weight linen that I want to dye a dark >green unless the people on this group say that it can't be that color. I >bow to your experience. It seems to me, that the best arrangement would >be to make something that is closed all the way around and only opens at >the top. Is that impossibly not period? Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28723 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2CINw004595; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2CHxG004062; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2BUxG003736 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip145.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.145]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBB2BJ19019613 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210201122.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: how many of us are there? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208205932.01f81d00@saltmine.radix.net> References: <200212081903.11871.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021208131356.04cd7d50@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:13:41 -0500 Status: RO At 09:08 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I just had to give a wry laugh, because I just sent a note to the list >about the publishing of my first book (er, booklet; how big does something >have to be to be a book? This is 54 pages...) So I'm going to be a >little defensive here. Sorry for the very defensive and silly post, folks, I was having one of those days... I must be a bit short on my chocolate intake :) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28728 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2CCNw004573; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2CCxG004011; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2BSxG003722 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:11:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip145.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.145]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBB2BJ17019613 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:11:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210195635.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods In-Reply-To: <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:07:41 -0500 Status: RO At 09:23 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Thank you Mara for responding to my post. The Eighteenth century house is >the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the leaders of the >Whiskey Rebellion) Ah, I see... >I have the reference book you have suggested and we have >some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that even with >the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are not used >to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. I've finally >gotten them to come to terms with house caps. I agree that the knitted >hoods are too late but am still curious as to weather their ilk might have >been thought of in this period. How about bonnets? Kannik's Korner has a bonnet pattern that can be made out of various materials, from silk taffeta to linen, and I think that black or dark green wool bonnets might work for your purposes. I made myself a bonnet (I didn't use Kannik's pattern, just made myself a pattern with posterboard and tissue paper, and tweaked it till it looked right, then used that to cut out the materials) this summer, but I bet it'd be a bit warmer than a plain cap for winter wear. The brim is buckram, with millinery wire basted to the edge; I covered the outside with black taffeta (acetate, not silk, I think; but I was in a hurry and happened to have it in the fabric stash) and the inside with silk lining material. The crown is lined with plain cotton fabric, since nobody will see that and you don't want it to be slippery and slide off your head. I also don't tie the bonnet under my chin; I don't like the 'tunnel vision' effect, which also affects one's ability to hear (another reason to use buckram rather than posterboard for the brim). >I have just remembered another piece in my >'Fragments and Fragiles Bag' that might be interesting to research further. >It is fawn colored silk, shaped somewhat like a Quaker bonnet but without >the brim, and there is an indication that it ever had ties...at least that I >remember. Some of it is slightly wadded with cotton fluff seen beneath the >lining. The curtain has a 1" ruffle. That certainly sounds promising! I'd love to see a picture of what you're talking about. Is it anything like the Kannik's Corner bonnet pattern? >ON the same theme of warmies, What can >I suggest for the hands? We have gloves and fingerless gloves and mitts; >would these be leather or knitted? Muffs for what classes. >Kathleen Either leather or knitted wool gloves, or knitted mittens, would certainly be appropriate. I'm not certain about how widely muffs were used at this period; I could ask a friend with access to the PA Gazette to do a search to see how many ads that brings up... But that would be for the Philly area, not Pittsburgh. My guess would be to go with fairly plain gloves. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28753 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2G1Nw004766; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2G0xG005210; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2FExG004986 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.20.43cf926 (25508) for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20.43cf926.2b27f98f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.43cf926.2b27f98f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:14:39 EST Status: RO --part1_20.43cf926.2b27f98f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked for one of the big chains, too. Only once was something clearly mis-labeled (a cellulosic, probably rayon, as silk--the bleach test caught that one!) But I was distressed at the number of things that were not labeled at all. These were usually off-the-bolt deals that were probably obtained from various manufacturers. I think this is actually a gray area of the labeling law, although I'm not sure, and I would rather see everything accurately labeled. Ann Wass --part1_20.43cf926.2b27f98f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked for one of the big chains, too.  Only once was something clearly mis-labeled (a cellulosic, probably rayon, as silk--the bleach test caught that one!)  But I was distressed at the number of things that were not labeled at all.  These were usually off-the-bolt deals that were probably obtained from various manufacturers.  I think this is actually a gray area of the labeling law, although I'm not sure, and I would rather see everything accurately labeled.

Ann Wass --part1_20.43cf926.2b27f98f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28768 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2J1Nw005086; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2J0xG006352; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2ItxG006300 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.141.4c4772d (25508) for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <141.4c4772d.2b27fa5a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.4c4772d.2b27fa5a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:18:02 EST Status: RO --part1_141.4c4772d.2b27fa5a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 9:12:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes: > The home dec > department, apparently! Sometimes you can find it with quilting fabrics, too. I had some 90" wide glazed cotton (intended for quilt backs) in my stash. Ann Wass --part1_141.4c4772d.2b27fa5a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 9:12:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes:


The home dec
department, apparently!


Sometimes you can find it with quilting fabrics, too.  I had some 90" wide glazed cotton (intended for quilt backs) in my stash.
Ann Wass --part1_141.4c4772d.2b27fa5a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28816 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2X3Nw006328; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2X1xG011333; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBB2WgxG011211 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:32:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021211023241.41444.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:32:41 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20.43cf926.2b27f98f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:32:41 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I worked for one of the big chains, too. Only once > was something clearly > mis-labeled (a cellulosic, probably rayon, as > silk--the bleach test caught > that one!) Can someone please point me in the direction of instructions/directions on how to perform the "bleach test"? Sounds fascinating and definitely something I'd love to learn. :) Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 21:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28871 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2l1Nw007763; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2l0xG015704; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (proxy.ea.gov.au [155.187.2.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB2k2xG015357 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from parkes07.ea.gov.au ([155.187.160.26]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.9.2/EAFWv1) with SMTP id NAA19230 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:40:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from EA-Message_Server by parkes07.ea.gov.au with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:10 +1100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 From: "Annette Wilson" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] bleach test?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:02 +1100 Status: RO Ann Wass wrote : ... Only once was something clearly mis-labeled (a cellulosic, probably rayon, as silk--the bleach test caught that one!) ... Please tell me about this test. How to, what it tells you, damage? Thanks Annette Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 22:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29286 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB3U2Nw011020; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB3U0xG028425; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB3T8xG028137 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2002121103290205200155rce>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:29:02 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210191417.00a00810@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210193621.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208202614.00a1c5e0@mail.attbi.com> <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:19:12 -0800 Status: RO This makes sense. Not that I am afraid of snow. Well, I am not afraid of snow in relationship to this cape because I am so afraid of snow that the chances of me going anywhere near it are slim. However, what you say can just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? maryann, who, in case there is any question, wants to assure everyone that that last comment was a joke. At 07:41 PM 12/10/2002 -0500, Kevin + Mara wrote: >I can think of one problem with this -- if it snows, the linen will get >wet, of course, and damp. Wool repels water somewhat and you'll be able >to brush most of the snow off, and even when wool gets wet it still keeps >you warm. If you want some good deals on wool, trimfabrics.com usually >has a good selection, and Phoenix Textiles (I don't have the URL handy, >but you can search) is often a good source, too. I read the rest of your >post about wool, but really, a cloak, since it's not close-fitting, >shouldn't be that bad in snowy weather. If this is really a problem, >maybe you could make a 'fancy' cloak out of something like cotton velvet >lined with satin, with perhaps some discreet Scotchguard (note: I have no >idea if Scotchguard works on velvet, having not used it myself). > >There are cloaks of a sort that have openings for the head like a poncho, >but they're not Elizabethan -- I think they date from much earlier in the >middle ages. I think Elizabethan-style cloaks are generally a >half-circle, but someone more well-versed on that period will have to >address that. > >Cheers, >Mara > >At 08:52 PM 12/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: >>I also think that I need a cape since it snowed last year at the Angel's >>Camp faire. I have some heavy weight linen that I want to dye a dark >>green unless the people on this group say that it can't be that >>color. I bow to your experience. It seems to me, that the best >>arrangement would be to make something that is closed all the way around >>and only opens at the top. Is that impossibly not period? > >Kevin + Mara Riley > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 10 22:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29307 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:32:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB3Y1Nw011683; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB3Y0xG029465; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBB3XJxG029280 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16832 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 03:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (66.94.197.16) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 03:31:48 -0000 Message-ID: <142a01c2a0c6$183f8520$9865fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <20021210163727.70845.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:33:37 -0500 Status: RO Well, for next year I should be in a HOUSE with a sewing room. That's one requirement for the house for both me and hubby...he's as bad or worse than me about fabric stashing and has more expensive taste in fabric too. I swear he can smell silk across a crowded fabric store and pick out the ONE bolt in a shelf of polyester 100% of the time. And you haven't lived till you've seen a 6' guy standing next to some lovely ethnic printed, beaded fabric, saying "But honey, it'd make a PERFECT del for me. And it's only $46/yard. It's on SALE!!!". And his sewing machine, named Baby, I'm not allowed to use. He wants enough sewing room that all 11 machines can be set up at once so we can do "stitch and bitch" for our SCA household easily. And at least 2 8' cutting tables. We're talking BIG sewing room here...I think he'd prefer to use the living room if it's the biggest room in the house. We're finally getting rid of all the "old" SCA stuff and building persona-appropriate garb, which means Spanish surcotes for me, with proper gowns underneath, and one Elizabethan just for giggles, and the 22-yard cotton velvet circular houppe I have cut out already. (and I'm only 5'1" and a size 12...I probably won't be able to walk from the weight!) And "camp garb" for Gulf Wars, because I've been told the red mud will stain everything I wear... Hubby has decided on 12th century Mongol and has ordered 150 yards of different-weight silk from Dharma (without my knowledge...it was a SURPRISE! though he used MY credit card...) as well as collecting half a dozen brocades, and wants to make us both boots, and turnshoes, and pattens for me. And various and sundry other "little" projects, including his brew kitchen so he doesnt' have to share with me, and his forge, and my dyeing stuff, and both our leather stuff, and my loom and spindles, and... Jeanne we need a BIG house. For 2 people, 7 parrots (one goes to events with me and tells everyone he's a falcon...he had a persona before I did), Nova the Wonder Kitty, and Pandora the boa constrictor. It was easier when all I had were children... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 00:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30006 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB52890002174; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB521xG023924; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBB519xG023662 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10091 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.2) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 05:01:08 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] next years projects. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <142a01c2a0c6$183f8520$9865fea9@jeanne> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:01:15 -0500 Status: RO At the garden club Christmas luncheon, the lady sitting next to me asked me how many children I have. When I said "None", she said "But what you need such a big house for?" (answer: 5 cats, a sewing room, a library room, a computer room, a guest room (in an old Victorian house, some of these rooms are rather small), an attic to store camping equipment, a living room to sort through book orders when they first arrive, a basement workshop for armour repair, etc.) Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 00:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30175 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:16:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5I490019238; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5I1xG028223; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5HKxG028029 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBB51ID10744 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:01:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF6CA76.1F106D7E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:17:42 -0700 Status: RO *snort* We have one, count'em one, fabric store in this town, and it's a JoAnn's currently about 3 quarters full of holiday schtick, kiddy candy cr@p, and polar fleece. There *is* no drapery department! I'd probably have to go to Spokane (3 hours away in good weather, over the Rocky Mountains and 2 state lines), or Billings (6? hours away...same state, but even more Rocky Mountains), or Great Falls (3? hours away, more passes). I do keep my eyes open, when traveling and we get to a fabric store, but I'm thinking my best bet would an internet source.... --Sue, from a town smack in the middle of....the Rocky Mountains (which, for those of you not familiar with western US geography, puts 200 miles of mountains to the left and right of me, and a continent's worth to the north and south! ) (yes, that means that shopping opportunities stink! ;-P) Linda Krecker-Schkred wrote: > > If by glazing you mean a shiny surface, then that's right. The > manufacturer feeds the fabric under a large roller while on a large > flat table like thing. They apply pressure with the roller and high > heat to give the fabric any sort of surface treatment either a shiny > surface as in glazing or a embossed pattern, (some modern fabrics > have this recently). > > To replicate this try going to your fabric store's drapery department > and looking at the drapery lining. Its 100% cotton and has a shiny > surface. I've used it for lining dresses and it works nicely. It may > be what you are looking for. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 00:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30184 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:17:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5J190019287; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5J0xG028534; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5IcxG028416 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.187.77.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.77]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LzGX-0003jW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:18:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> References: <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.1.6.2.20021208181312.01f21158@saltmine.radix.net> <200212082005.12008.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: next years projects. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:32:03 -0800 Status: RO I'm in for quite a bit of sock knitting -- five Christmas presents and a pair I'm bartering for some weaving. Fortunately I _have_ started them, and the ones that aren't patterned go pretty fast. Also I have a beading project that I need to seriously work on so I can get it to a stage where it can be photographed for our Guild's next newsletter. After that, the next priority (though that doesn't necessarily mean I will _work_ on it first...) is a complete set of Elizabethan underpinnings from the skin out. My farthingale is falling apart and I need all-new petticoats, shirts, caps, et cetera. These will all be in _linen_ since I'm in California and have learned that ordinary cotton broadcloth, while it may be a natural fiber, isn't nearly as cool as linen and tends to block breezes. The petticoats, two shirts, and new farthingale are cut out, since I did a Thanksgiving weekend "cut-out-a-thon" -- I went into work, where there are biiiiiiiiig empty worktables, and invited a friend to help and keep me company. Dangling off the end of that project are (1) re-doing the skirt that holds my forepart, so the back part is all linen instead of cotton, and (2) finishing the French hood our costume mistress helped me construct. It needs hand stitching, lining, trim, and a veil. If all goes well, the complement to this is that I'm working on a deal with a professional costumer in LA to make me a new corset and Elizabethan gown -- something like the one I have now, but better fitted, lighter in weight, and fabric that doesn't make me into a "walking straw magnet" which has been my recent experience wearing the outfit outdoors! The other _major_ project this year is that I've promised to do a booklet compiling my research on medieval knitting, and after promising to do it a year ago, I've barely gotten started. Minor projects include putting together several historical paternosters and rosaries (including a couple to try out on eBay) -- I mostly have the materials for those -- and also two to go to a charity auction. Oh, and I've cut out a dark blue wool kirtle to put together, and if I can find the right fabric, I'll do a cyclas to go over it for a properly 13th-century outfit. I need to figure out how to do the headgear too..... -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 00:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30221 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5J990019319; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5J7xG028588; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5IexG028429 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:18:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.187.77.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.77]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18LzGZ-0003jW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:18:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> References: <00ab01c29e0d$afa9cee0$b65722d9@dan> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coifs and me Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:38:19 -0800 Status: RO At 4:28 PM +0000 12/7/02, Stevie Gamble wrote: >I thought I'd combine a couple of recent threads by trying out a coif. >Never again; I nearly had a heart attack when I looked in the mirror, >so Heaven know's what it would do to an innocent bystander. >Are there any particular items of costume -as opposed to entire >ensembles- which people think are hideously unflattering on them, or >indeed others? Muffin caps -- especially the sort beginners make, which hang way down to the shoulders in back. I put one on, and everything on my face immediately sags along with it! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 00:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30557 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5i390022484; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5i1xG005712; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB5hqxG005648 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:43:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBB5RoD20152 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:27:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF6D0AE.2417DB49@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021208202614.00a1c5e0@mail.attbi.com> <200212072313.12486.cathy@thyrsus.com> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> <003801c29e2c$8bf1bb60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DF2B6C5.208DF0EE@inetone.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20021210191417.00a00810@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:44:14 -0700 Status: RO A good wool cloak can be a godsend in wet/snowy weather....I'd really recommend it, if you can find it. Although polartec and polar fleece aren't exactly pre-17th c. fabrics (my reenactment time period being pre-17th c.), I'll certainly cop to using it for camping blankets and sleeping bag liners . It also makes nifty jammies and "tunics to throw on in the middle of the night when you need to visit the darned port-a-john." Also, hoods, cowls, and sox. --sue MaryAnn Jones wrote: > > This makes sense. Not that I am afraid of snow. Well, I am not afraid of > snow in relationship to this cape because I am so afraid of snow that the > chances of me going anywhere near it are slim. However, what you say can > just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to > contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? > > maryann, who, in case there is any question, wants to assure everyone that > that last comment was a joke. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 01:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30943 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6W290024180; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6W1xG018404; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6VKxG018260 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10876 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:40:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian article on costume In-Reply-To: <20021211005339.46031.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:40:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, [iso-8859-1] Bella wrote: > > Paolo Peri, "Il costume nella festa," in Patrimonium > > in festa, ed. A. Modigliani (Viterbo, 2000). > > It's something like "festival customs", I think. Is > this an article or book? Looks like an article/chapter that's part of a book. The article title would be "Il costume nella festa," and the book title is "Patrimonium in festa." This arrangement is pretty common in scholarly publishing; a bunch of scholars contribute papers under an umbrella topic that get put together into a book, so you get something that feels like a journal, but it's in book form. Often these books come out of a conference on some specialized topic. Other than having that topic in common, the chapters don't relate to each other; each stands alone. An unfortunate amount of scholarly costume research, particularly that with a lit or art history focus, ends up buried in books like this. For instance, you might have a book on "Feminist Readings of 12th century Literature" or "New Views of Anglo-Saxon Art" that has just a single paper in it that relates to costume. It's a real pain to have to buy a whole book (usually around $40 or more for the copy) just for the sake of the one chapter. However, if the overall topic is about a period or culture or medium you're interested in, you're likely to find other useful material in the book. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 01:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31048 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6h290024536; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6h1xG021345; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6gjxG021281 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10905 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:51:47 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon In-Reply-To: <20021211023241.41444.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:51:46 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, [iso-8859-1] Bella wrote: > Can someone please point me in the direction of > instructions/directions on how to perform the "bleach test"? Sounds > fascinating and definitely something I'd love to learn. :) Very easy. I learned it on this list, I think. I knocked the socks off my manager at the shop, because we had no way before this to differentiate a pure wool from a wool-and-natural-fiber blend. Wool and silk dissolve in bleach. Cotton, rayon, and linen do not. Do a burn test first to identify synthetics (hard bead or plastic residue). If you have a natural fiber, narrow it down by doing the following. Cut a small swatch -- half an inch square, or larger if you've got multiple types of threads (e.g. a stripe or plaid) so you can get samples of all the threads in one swatch. Put a little bleach (maybe 1/2 inch) in a small jar (like a baby food jar) or a glass/pyrex custard cup, and add the swatch. I use a toothpick or plastic spoon to poke the swatch down to it's wet through. Leave it for a few hours or overnight. Wool will disappear completely -- the bleach will look perfectly clear. Silk will disappear but usually leave a bit of residue. (Perhaps that's the seracin?) Cotton, linen, and rayon will remain intact, though may lose their color. A blend will dissolve in parts. For instance, in a wool/rayon blend where each thread is made of multiple fibers, the wool fibers will dissolve and you'll end up with a tangled mess of rayon fibers. If you have a fabric where whole threads of wool or silk are interwoven with whole threads of a non-animal fiber, such as some plaids or checks, you can get a nice grid pattern remaining, with empty spots in the interlacing where the animal fiber used to be. If one fiber is warp and one is weft, you'll end up with a row of the non-animal fibers lined up neatly in the bottom of the cup. It's fun to watch this happening. Wool will fizz slightly, like when you put peroxide on a cut. Check on it every little while and poke it with the toothpick to break up the fibers if necessary; it can take a while for the bleach to penetrate a thick fabric. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 01:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31619 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:58:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70390025117; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB701xG025621; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6x9xG025399 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00I0F0QIP5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:59:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: multi-purpose farthingale (was Re: [h-cost] next years projects. In-reply-to: <20021209234439.8457.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021210214123.0501eb70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3DF5FF20.82F13D6@bigpond.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:49:40 -0800 Status: RO >I do have one question. Can you use your elizabethan farthingale for any >other period?. perhaps change the silhuette with laces or something? Yes. I only own one set of hoops, and I use them for everything. I have neither space nor money for more than one set. The hoop at the bottom is only about 3.5 meters around. For Renaissance I make the top hoops smaller so the whole thing is cone-shaped. For early 1850s I enlarge the top hoops so the whole thing is dome-shaped. For later 1850s I insert three additional pieces of hoop wire into casings I otherwise don't use, and tie the hoops across the middle for an asymmetric shape. Once, for 1880s, I used hoop wire in the three normally-unused casings, and took all the other hoop wires out, and tied-across what was left with the late-1850s ties, for a bustle. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 01:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31626 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70G90025135; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70ExG025697; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6x9xI025399 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00I0F0QIP5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oddball request In-reply-to: <200212100017.QAA11890@gw.retro.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021210215945.05031af0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:01:25 -0800 Status: RO > > AOL CDs and other 'coasters', right? > >As long as they've got a shiny side, yup. 'Coasters', as in, failed CD-burns. I have some of these. BTW, if you ever run across the clear ones that come at the bottom of a package of burnable CDs, I'm collecting them for I'm not sure what yet. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 02:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00331 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70M90025157; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70LxG025744; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6x9xK025399 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00I0F0QIP5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] georgian painted fabric In-reply-to: <00d801c2a082$e86f0de0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021210224308.05058230@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021209084716.858.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <3DF49A7F.C4595B59@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:44:14 -0800 Status: RO >Oh yes, i did safe every picture, and it could be inspiration for some other >embroidered things. Or you could give up embroidery and just paint everything (just kidding). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 02:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00405 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70S90025175; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70RxG025769; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6xAxG025417 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00I0F0QIP5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:59:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210192949.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021210224517.05058100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:46:31 -0800 Status: RO >>So many original garments from the 1800s are lined with the same tan >>glazed cotton. Where does one get this stuff nowadays? Alternatively, >>can the glazing process be duplicated at home? Does the glazed-ness >>survive the washing machine? >>That's the polished cotton or chintz I was looking for. The home dec >>department, apparently! If I come across any on the web, I'll post links >>:) Thanks, folks, for all the help! So, glazed cotton from the 1800s is 'the same' as what we now call chintz or polished cotton? I know the weight is different, but is the process the same? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 02:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00420 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70W90025184; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB70WxG025799; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB6xAxI025417 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00I0F0QIP5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. In-reply-to: <20021208160009.69267.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021210224825.050241f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:57:35 -0800 Status: RO Next year: I may be doing Ren. Faires again, so I'll need new (wool) clothes and linen underclothes. I hope to finish this year's Dickens' Fair dress, and all the underwear I have cut out for it. Something middle-class would be nice, if I can come up with a character and a situation. And Bill still needs that frock coat. If I find a Wild West group (still looking) I will need something to wear with my dolman, which is the only piece of 1880s I own. I need to finish my 1890s housedress for doing farm-demos at Ardenwood, and make something fancier for giving house tours there. I may need something 1901 for Living History Day at the Hyde Street Pier, if they really decide to let other people play. More clothes for Kayta, like pants and shirts and vests, and stuff like that. More dolls/doll clothes. Now that I have a domain name, I need a web host and website for them, not to mention a business license, resale number, etc. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 03:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30844 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:34:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB8a490027796; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB8a1xG017863; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40015.mail.yahoo.com (web40015.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBB8ZGxG017683 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:35:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021211083510.76881.qmail@web40015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:35:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Blackwork List , Historic Costuming , H-costume list , HNW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Talk by Santina Levy (UK) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:35:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO For anyone interested in textiles and embroidery the Hertfordshire branch of the Embroiderers Guild is hosting a talk by Santina Levy on Embroideries at Hardwick Hall. Details as below: Saturday 11 January 1.30 for 2.00 United Reformed Church Watford Road St Albans Cost ~£3.50 (I think, won't be more than a pound out though). See map for travel information. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=513546&y=204879&z=1&sv=513750, 204750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf Approaching from the M25 (South on the map) Go over the two mini-roundabouts. About 100 yards on from the bus-stop you will see a set of traffic lights. Just next to this there is a turning on the right hand side (with gates) go up this drive to the chruch hall and hopefully you will find somewhere to park. The car park fills up early for these big talks. Contact me off list if you need more details. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 04:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10509 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:35:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9b390000168; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9b1xG001302; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9a6xG001077 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBB9cgF22805.; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:38:53 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:35:45 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBB9a6xG001077 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:35:32 +0000 Status: RO I'm surprised that Sarah Goodman, in the article referred to by Stevie, asserts that bumrolls are a myth. The Cunnington 17th century book quotes the following from Middleton's "Women beware women" of 1628-30: Then take her with all faults with her clothes on, and they may hide a number with a bum-roll. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> stevie.gamble@btinternet.com 12/06/02 10:14am >>> Hi all, I see that Sarah L. Goodman's article on Farthingales and Bumrolls.... at http://www.elizabethanlady.com/farthingales.html includes a reference to foxtails being worn in much earlier periods under the gown to improve the figure, and I have come across a number of other references to this. However, I'm still baffled as to how this actually worked, in practise,and would welcome suggestions. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 04:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10528 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:42:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9i290000365; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9i1xG002729; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB9hxxG002716 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:43:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id CAA21578 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212111005.CAA21578@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oddball request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:05:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > Lee, since your address is in Oakland, I'm wondering if you've seen > the car with CD fish-scales that I spotted on San Pablo Blvd once? > (It may, however, have been an out-of-towner that was around for an > "art cars" weekend.) You right, I think that one's an out-of-towner. Haven't seen it. I still bow down before the mastery of the guy who did the stained glass volkswagon beetle. There's also a local who's done a mosaic on her car with the flat glass pebbles used for floral arrangements. And the Unholy Roller, the gothic cathedral car. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 05:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10631 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:09:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBAB590001429; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBAB0xG009239; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBAABxG009050 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id CAA21736 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:32:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212111032.CAA21736@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] eclesiastical vestiments Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:32:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've forgotten who was doing vestiments, so this'll go out to the list at large. I found a supplier for embroidered crosses (some extremely ornate), galloon, and fabric: http://www.easternchristian.com/vestment.html Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 06:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11065 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:39:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBf590005080; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBf0xG027592; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBeXxG027473 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ae.331950a6 (16484) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bleach test?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.331950a6.2b287e29_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:40:25 EST Status: RO --part1_ae.331950a6.2b287e29_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 9:47:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Annette.Wilson@ea.gov.au writes: > Please tell me about this test. How to, what it tells you, damage? > > Generally, fabrics made of protein fibers--wool or silk--will dissolve in chlorine bleach. Other fibers don't. It won't distinguish between protein fibers, of course, but will separate silk from rayon, for example. Ann Wass --part1_ae.331950a6.2b287e29_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 9:47:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Annette.Wilson@ea.gov.au writes:


Please tell me about this test. How to, what it tells you, damage?



Generally, fabrics made of protein fibers--wool or silk--will dissolve in chlorine bleach.  Other fibers don't.  It won't distinguish between protein fibers, of course, but will separate silk from rayon, for example.

Ann Wass --part1_ae.331950a6.2b287e29_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 06:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11089 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:41:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBh290005126; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBh0xG028006; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBBgcxG027936 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1bc.1740c15b (16484) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:42:22 EST Status: RO --part1_1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 12:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > it's a JoAnn's > JoAnn's does special orders, too. Do they have a suitable drapery fabric available in the special order things? Ann Wass --part1_1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 12:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


it's a JoAnn's


JoAnn's does special orders, too.  Do they have a suitable drapery fabric available in the special order things?
Ann Wass --part1_1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 07:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11380 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBCT790006449; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBCT4xG008460; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBCS3xG008187 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-21-88.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.21.88] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18M5y5-0003Na-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <04e801c2a111$4d5aafa0$581523d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> <005a01c29fab$0298fd80$1f0124d9@dan> <005401c29fce$fb86f3c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:32:00 -0000 Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > I need to pull up my resource but I have a vague memory from something I've > read that trappers were on the , shall we say, lesser end of the class > scale and it was not the thing to dress like them or use fur and skins in > the manner of the native Americans. In the Eastern cities, at the same > time, wearing fur trimmings and linings seems to have been 'OK' for women of > fashion. This is the reverse of your original argument:-) I think that you should also bear in mind that just because fur isn't fashionable doesn't mean that people don't wear it. For example, by the time James VI and I came to the throne the huge opulent furs of the Tudor and early Elizabethan period- eg Katherine Parr's stupendous lynx- were long out of fashion. However, the Venetian Ambassador, writing in 1604, noted that in England people wore fur all of the time, even in August, because of the dreadful weather. best wishes Stevie > > > > > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had Baltimore > > > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too upper > > class in > > > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried to > > fit in > > > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers and > > > trappers. > > > > I'm sorry, but I'm not following the thread of your argument. Surely > > the trappers wore fur, did they not? Why would wearing fur not fit in > > with the style of the community? > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 08:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12020 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDbb92008278; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDMWxG021030; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDLoxG020866 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:21:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12148 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:30:50 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:30:50 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > I'm surprised that Sarah Goodman, in the article referred to by > Stevie, asserts that bumrolls are a myth. The Cunnington 17th century > book quotes the following from Middleton's "Women beware women" of > 1628-30: Then take her with all faults with her clothes on, and they > may hide a number with a bum-roll. I don't recall what Sarah says in her article, but I've read it, as she's quoted my research, and I don't recall she says that bum-rolls are a myth. I'd have to go back and check, but she's on this list and can speak for herself, too. In the portion where she quotes my work, Sarah does note my assertion that the modern vision of the "wheel" farthingale as a hooped or wired flat frame is most likely an inaccurate assumption about what gave the "French farthingale" style its shape. You can find some earlier threads on this topic collected at . (Last time I looked, Sarah's article linked to the h-cost archives for some of this material; the collection at this URL has more and is easier to read.) "Bum-roll" as a term is first recorded in 1601. It is most certainly not a myth. However, the term has been very broadly applied by modern re-enactors and costume historians to pre-1600 styles, on the assumption that a roll must have been worn with them, and that the roll would have been called a bum-roll. As far as I know, there's no evidence that the term was used at that time. There's evidence for certain roll-shaped structures by the late 1500s. The French farthingale was certainly a roll -- there's plenty of written evidence for that, including dictionary definitions from the period. But whether it was the same as the sort of padding or structure that people called a "bum-roll" in the 1600s is in doubt, particularly since there's at least one quote (the 1601 one) that refers to both the French farthingale and the bum-roll and makes it clear they're different things. As far as I know, there's far less evidence (is there any?) that whatever sort of padding worn with the Spanish farthingale in the mid-1500s was in roll form or called a bum-roll. There does seem to have been some padding from maybe the mid-1570s, when the former cone shape of the Spanish farthingale widens slightly at the hips to create a bell shape. This is a precursor to the more extreme widening seen in the French farthingale of the 1580s, which is distinct from the Spanish farthingale and evidently worn independently. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 08:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12039 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:39:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDfC90008419; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDf6xG025932; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDe7xG025681 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBDe611002459 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210195635.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:40:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Kevin + Mara wrote: > Either leather or knitted wool gloves, or knitted mittens, would certainly > be appropriate. I'm not certain about how widely muffs were used at this > period; I could ask a friend with access to the PA Gazette to do a search > to see how many ads that brings up... But that would be for the Philly > area, not Pittsburgh. My guess would be to go with fairly plain gloves. > > Cheers, > Mara Looking through one of my costume books today, I came across a picture of a muff, and my friend Cindy found the following in the PA Gazette: ITEM #917 February 8, 1732 The Pennsylvania Gazette BOSTON, Jan. 3. It appears by our Weekly Accounts of Burials and Baptisms, that from Jan. 4, 1730,1. to this Day, Jan. 3, 1731,2 there have been buried in this Town, as follows, Whites 318, Blacks 94. In all 412. Baptised in the several Churches, 559. Dedham, in New Eng. Jan. 5. This Day died here the famous Sam Hide, Indian, in the 106th Year of his Age: He was well known throughout this Province, being remarkable for his cunning Jests and uncommon Wit. He had been a faithful Soldier to the English, having killed nineteen of the Enemy Indians, of which he kept an Account on his Gun, and would fain have made up the Number Twenty. Boston, Jan. 17. The Weather has been so severe for some time past, that our Harbour, is ful of Ice, and People walk down on it to Castle William. Yesterday was Fortnight, one of the Meeting-Houses on Rhode-Island took Fire, and had like to have been burnt down, but by timely Assistance it ws extinguished. 'Tis supposed that a wooden Stove, left in a Pew, occasioned the same. Cambridge, in New-England, January 15. Some time since died here Mr. Matth A---y, in a very advanced Age. He had for a great Number of Years served the College here in the quality of Bed-maker and Sweeper. Having left no Child, his Wife inherits his whole Estate, which he bequeathed to her by his last Will and Testament, as followeth, viz. 1 TO my dear Wife, My Joy and Life, I freely now do give her My whole Estate, With all my Plate, Being just about to leave her. 2 A Tub of Soap, A long Cart Rope, A Frying-pan and Kettle, An Ashes Pail, A threshing Flail, An iron Wedge and Beetle. 3 Two painted Chairs, Nine warden Pears, A large old dripping-platter The Bed of Hay On which I lay, An old Sauce pan for Butter. 4 A little Mugg, A Two-quart Jugg, A Bottle full of Brandy: A Looking-Glass To see your Face, You'll find it very handy. 5 A Musket true As ever flew, A Pound of Shot & Wallet, A Leather Sash, My Calabash, My Powder-horn & Bullets 6 An old Sword-blade, A Garden Spade, A Hoe, a Rake, a Ladder, A wooden Cann, A Close-stool Pan, A Clyster-pipe and Bladder. 7 A greasy Hat, My old Ram-Cat, A Yard and half of Linen, A Pot of Grease, A woollen Fleece, In order of your Spinning. 8 A small-tooth Comb, An ashen-Broom, A Candlestick and Hatchet, A Coverlid Strip'd down with Red, A Bag of Rags to patch it. 9 A ragged Mat, A Tub of Fat; A Book put out by Bunyan, Another Book By Robin Rook; A Skain or two of Spunyarn. 10 An old black << Muff>> , Some Garden Stuff, A Quantity of Burrage, Some Devils Weed And Burdock Seed, To season well your Porridge. 11 A Chafing-Dish, With one Salt Fish, If I am not mistaken, A Leg of Pork, A broken Fork, And half a Flitch of Bacon. 12 A Spinning Wheel, One Peck of Meal, A Knife without a Handle, A rusty Lamp, Two Quarts of Samp, A piece of Tallow-Candle. 13 My Pouch and Pipes, Two Oxen Tripes, An oaken Dish well carved, My little Dog, And sported Hog, With two young Pigs just starved. 14 This is my Store, I have no more, I heartily do give it, My Years are spun, My Days are done, And so I think to leave it. ---------------------- But I'm guessing that muffs (unless old, and brought from the East) wouldn't be as common on the frontier as gloves and mittens. By the way, Barbara Bockrath, at the Oliver Miller Homestead site near Pittsburgh, PA has done a lot of work with inventories (both wills and from Oliver's store) that would be very helpful to you, I'm sure -- I can try to dig up her email address if you want, or you could call the site and locate her that way. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 08:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12354 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:45:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDl390008630; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDl1xG027358; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDkIxG027191 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBDkG11003288 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:46:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210191417.00a00810@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:46:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, MaryAnn Jones wrote: > just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to > contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? Um, yeah! I'm sure I've seen a Malden Mills label somewhere in my costume books... (wink, wink) :D Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 08:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12757 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:56:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDwF90008993; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDw9xG000337; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:58:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDtgxG029626 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBDtM11004226 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. In-Reply-To: <142a01c2a0c6$183f8520$9865fea9@jeanne> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:55:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sounds like what you need is a house with a big BASEMENT. That was one requirement for us when we went house-hunting four years ago. We have a longer commute to work than if we lived in a smaller townhouse or condo closer to the city, but we have more space, which is worth it. Kevin has the two-car garage as his woodworking shop, and I have one of the upstairs bedrooms for a sewing room (I have a large cutting table, ironing table and sewing machine set up, as well as all my costume books along one wall), and will eventually have the basement (once we put up the drywall, hang a ceiling and paint the floor with garage floor paint) as a workspace with big cutting/sewing tables and lots of storage, shelving, bookshelves, and file cabinets. We will probably eventually put in a guest bedroom in the basement, which means I can move the loom into the upstairs guest room that now has the bed in it; there's a much better view in that room, so I think I'd be more inclined to weave there than if it were underground. Eventually I'm going to have a deep sink and countertop so I can do messy dyeing projects in the basement, too, instead of the kitchen or back yard. Ultimately I'd like to put a two-storey addition onto the back of the house so I can have an expanded sewing room, and move the loom into the living room, but that's WAY down the road... -- Mara On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Jeanne Harney wrote: > > > Well, for next year I should be in a HOUSE with a sewing room. That's one > requirement for the house for both me and hubby...he's as bad or worse than > me about fabric stashing and has more expensive taste in fabric too. (snip) > And various and sundry other "little" projects, including his brew kitchen > so he doesnt' have to share with me, and his forge, and my dyeing stuff, and > both our leather stuff, and my loom and spindles, and... > > Jeanne > we need a BIG house. For 2 people, 7 parrots (one goes to events with me > and tells everyone he's a falcon...he had a persona before I did), Nova the > Wonder Kitty, and Pandora the boa constrictor. It was easier when all I had > were children... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 08:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12764 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:57:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDxJ90009033; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDx8xG000625; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBDwQxG000422 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:58:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBBDwPF06403.; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:58:25 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:58:25 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBBDwQxG000422 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:58:15 +0000 Status: RO Thanks, Robin, for this clarification. I must have misinterpreted Sarah's article as suggesting that "bum-roll" was a modern term or that they didn't exist. (One paragraph is headed "The bum-roll myth".) > However, the term has been very broadly applied by modern >re-enactors and costume historians to pre-1600 styles, on the assumption >that a roll must have been worn with them, and that the roll would have >been called a bum-roll. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12824 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBE4V90009235; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBE4LxG002061; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:04:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBE04xG000891 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBDxw11004779 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. In-Reply-To: <3DF6D0AE.2417DB49@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > A good wool cloak can be a godsend in wet/snowy weather....I'd really > recommend it, if you can find it. > Although polartec and polar fleece aren't exactly pre-17th c. fabrics > (my reenactment time period being pre-17th c.), I'll certainly cop to > using it for camping blankets and sleeping bag liners . > It also makes nifty jammies and "tunics to throw on in the middle of the > night when you need to visit the darned port-a-john." > Also, hoods, cowls, and sox. > --sue I've recently discovered how easy polartec is to sew, and am making myself socks out of the remnants from sewing sweaters (jumpers) out of the stuff. Hm, a sleeping bag liner sounds like a good idea! My sleeping bag isn't period, anyway; I hide it under a pile of wool blankets. Thanks for the idea, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12898 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEP290010034; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEP18M008162; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41009.mail.yahoo.com (web41009.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBEOU8M007971 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:24:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.106.84.145] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:24:24 PST From: Anne Romine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021208063301.16687.81463.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:24:24 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Greetings! I recently found some "wool-look" polyester & acrylic suiting on sale at Jo-Ann's for $3.99/yard. I've admittedly never done any sewing with wool, but to my non-expert eye, this stuff looks really nice. I'm poor, so most of my period clothing is made from plain 100% cotton, and it certainly would look better than that. I'm in the SCA, so nobody will shoot me if I'm wearing polyester, and I'm really tempted to buy some and make a cotehardie. Has anybody else made a period garment with fabric which looks right (at least to begin with), but is totally synthetic, and what happened? I have no more experience with polyester than with wool, but I'm sure I'm not the first person who has experienced this temptation. I know it'll be hot, but if I plan for it to be a cold-weather dress, I don't know what else might go wrong. I'd appreciate any advice anyone can offer. Thanks in advance, Anne =) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12927 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBET190010153; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBET18M009432; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBESZ8M009246 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:28:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-21-88.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.21.88] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18M7qk-0000Na-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <057c01c2a122$24259d00$581523d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 2003 project Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:32:32 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Having read everyone elses' projects, and become consumed with envy, as well as deep inferiority, I propose to throw myself off the Millenium Bridge. Well, at least it's historical... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12946 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:30:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEW290010340; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEW18M010425; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEVj8M010341 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-5-26.cw2.jps.net ([216.119.5.26] helo=pavilion) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18M7to-00079h-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:31:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c2a122$e0593d60$1a0577d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:37:45 -0800 Status: RO I am currently working on ditigizing some renaissance lace patterns on my Bernina Artista software. At the moment I am working off of Federico Vinciolo's "singuliers et nouveaus poutraicts" of 1587 - Dover has a republication of this. I plan to stitch the patterns out with period threads. The book Renaissance Lace is also finding its way to my door. Any other references that anyone else knows about please send my way. Cheers, Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12969 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf290010665; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf18M013257; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEec8M013107 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.101] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AD291E900E4; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:35:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c2a123$afbe3240$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> <005a01c29fab$0298fd80$1f0124d9@dan> <005401c29fce$fb86f3c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <04e801c2a111$4d5aafa0$581523d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:41:18 -0500 Status: RO Hello, again. Guess our references are working at cross purposes. From your previous posts I gather you are in the British Isles while I am in and speak of rural America; particularly for the time period of the last decade of the Eighteenth Century-.It is possible that the only woman of fashion would have been the lady of my House in this area at that time. We speculate that her position would have meant that she could not go native,-nor should she-dress in a manner that might have been understood as flaunting her class or wealth-At this time her husband was an aspiring lawyer. We speculate on their wealth because they built the first stone house in Catfish Creek as the community was first named . Her husband was a graduate of Princeton and her family were people of note in Baltimore.If she used fur at all, it would have most discreet, and in the democratic manner, she probably would have continued doing so when visiting in the big city. Of course wearing fur trimmings in the city would not call as much attention to herself as it would on the frontier. Kathleen From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > Kathleen wrote: > > > > I need to pull up my resource but I have a vague memory from > something I've > > read that trappers were on the , shall we say, lesser end of the > class > > scale and it was not the thing to dress like them or use fur and > skins in > > the manner of the native Americans. In the Eastern cities, at the > same > > time, wearing fur trimmings and linings seems to have been 'OK' for > women of > > fashion. > > This is the reverse of your original argument:-) > I think that you should also bear in mind that just because fur isn't > fashionable doesn't mean that people don't wear it. For example, by > the time James VI and I came to the throne the huge opulent furs of > the Tudor and early Elizabethan period- eg Katherine Parr's stupendous > lynx- were long out of fashion. However, the Venetian Ambassador, > writing in 1604, noted that in England people wore fur all of the > time, even in August, because of the dreadful weather. > > best wishes > Stevie > > > > > > > > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had > Baltimore > > > > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too > upper > > > class in > > > > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried > to > > > fit in > > > > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers > and > > > > trappers. > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I'm not following the thread of your argument. > Surely > > > the trappers wore fur, did they not? Why would wearing fur not fit > in > > > with the style of the community? > > > > > > best wishes > > > Stevie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:39:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12974 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf690010682; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf58M013284; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEee8M013121 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.101] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AD2C1E900E4; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c2a123$b10de3c0$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <00b801c29f8e$7db6ce60$705183d1@rmitchellras> <003601c29f93$58a962e0$1f0124d9@dan> <000d01c29f9e$13c63080$705183d1@rmitchellras> <005a01c29fab$0298fd80$1f0124d9@dan> <005401c29fce$fb86f3c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <04e801c2a111$4d5aafa0$581523d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:43:34 -0500 Status: RO Hello, again. Guess our references are working at cross purposes. From your previous posts I gather you are in the British Isles while I am in and speak of rural America; particularly for the time period of the last decade of the Eighteenth Century-.It is possible that the only woman of fashion would have been the lady of my House in this area at that time. We speculate that her position would have meant that she could not go native,-nor should she-dress in a manner that might have been understood as flaunting her class or wealth-At this time her husband was an aspiring lawyer. We speculate on their wealth because they built the first stone house in Catfish Creek as the community was first named . Her husband was a graduate of Princeton and her family were people of note in Baltimore.If she used fur at all, it would have most discreet, and in the democratic manner, she probably would have continued doing so when visiting in the big city. Of course wearing fur trimmings in the city would not call as much attention to herself as it would on the frontier. Kathleen rmitchell@washjeff.edu From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > Kathleen wrote: > > > > I need to pull up my resource but I have a vague memory from > something I've > > read that trappers were on the , shall we say, lesser end of the > class > > scale and it was not the thing to dress like them or use fur and > skins in > > the manner of the native Americans. In the Eastern cities, at the > same > > time, wearing fur trimmings and linings seems to have been 'OK' for > women of > > fashion. > > This is the reverse of your original argument:-) > I think that you should also bear in mind that just because fur isn't > fashionable doesn't mean that people don't wear it. For example, by > the time James VI and I came to the throne the huge opulent furs of > the Tudor and early Elizabethan period- eg Katherine Parr's stupendous > lynx- were long out of fashion. However, the Venetian Ambassador, > writing in 1604, noted that in England people wore fur all of the > time, even in August, because of the dreadful weather. > > best wishes > Stevie > > > > > > > > This house was on the frontier, and while the family had > Baltimore > > > > connections, we feel that 'fur belows' would have been too > upper > > > class in > > > > this situation.Folk tended not to show their wealth and tried > to > > > fit in > > > > with the style of the community, which in this case were farmers > and > > > > trappers. > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I'm not following the thread of your argument. > Surely > > > the trappers wore fur, did they not? Why would wearing fur not fit > in > > > with the style of the community? > > > > > > best wishes > > > Stevie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:39:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12978 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf990010694; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEf98M013307; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEen8M013177 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBBEOlD09315 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:24:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF74E88.57979B7F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining References: <1bc.1740c15b.2b287e9e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:41:12 -0700 Status: RO I don't recall seeing one, but I'd have to look again to be sure. I *have* used their special order department, bless it! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13016 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEm290011028; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEm18M015516; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBElO8M015341 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id C6AE21E27E2; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:20 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021211144720.C6AE21E27E2@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:20 GMT Status: RO > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, MaryAnn Jones wrote: > > just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to > > contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? Polartec is worn in Britain during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, yes.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13023 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:48:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEe390010621; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEe18M012927; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEds8M012868 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.128.1d536dd4 (26116) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1d536dd4.2b28a829@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1d536dd4.2b28a829_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:37 EST Status: RO --part1_128.1d536dd4.2b28a829_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/02 7:25:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, montferrat@yahoo.com writes: > Has anybody else made a period garment with > fabric which looks right (at least to begin > with), but is totally synthetic, and what > happened? Wool: Warm, breathes, shapes beautifully with steam, shrinks, has a wonderful "hand". Dyeable. Can cost a lot of cash. Acrylic/Polyester: Doesn't breathe, doesn't shape, doesn't shrink, has a "bouncy" hand, probably won't dye (the acrylic will sort of, but not the poly) Also, the pills which will develop will be nearly impossible to remove. Can be found really cheap. All that said, I often am forced to use above mentioned synthetic choice due to monetary issues. Or I might have an actor who is allergic to wool. Wool-acrylic blends can also be had cheaply and eliminate the bouncy quality of polyester. But actors are usually 20 or 30 feet away or more, and I can get away with more than a close inspection would reveal. And I would think your blend would be superior to cotton for an outer garment. --part1_128.1d536dd4.2b28a829_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/02 7:25:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, montferrat@yahoo.com writes:


Has anybody else made a period garment with
fabric which looks right (at least to begin
with), but is totally synthetic, and what
happened? 


Wool: Warm, breathes, shapes beautifully with steam, shrinks, has a wonderful "hand".  Dyeable.  Can cost a lot of cash.

Acrylic/Polyester: Doesn't breathe, doesn't shape, doesn't shrink, has a "bouncy" hand, probably won't dye (the acrylic will sort of, but not the poly)   Also, the pills which will develop will be nearly impossible to remove.  Can be found really cheap.

All that said, I often am forced to use above mentioned synthetic choice due to monetary issues.  Or I might have an actor who is allergic to wool.  Wool-acrylic blends can also be had cheaply and eliminate the bouncy quality of polyester.  But actors are usually 20 or 30 feet away or more, and I can get away with more than a close inspection would reveal.  And I would think your blend would be superior to cotton for an outer garment. --part1_128.1d536dd4.2b28a829_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 09:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13071 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEu290011381; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEu18M018371; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBErJ8M017462 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:53:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.101] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A0222290116; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:48:02 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c2a125$75094980$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021208101718.01f2eb90@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021210195635.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:56:15 -0500 Status: RO Thankyou Mare for you suggestions. When I get into the "Bag" I will certainly share my findings. I had not thought of the Miller Homestead source; they are also on the "Whiskey Circuit" and Barb sometimes does things with us.(hitting hand to head) I do have the Cumberland County book with inventories and will have to peruse that more completely too. Kathleen rmitchell@washjeff.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin + Mara" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods > At 09:23 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Thank you Mara for responding to my post. The Eighteenth century house is > >the 1790s. (The David Bradford House, homestead of one of the leaders of the > >Whiskey Rebellion) > > Ah, I see... > > >I have the reference book you have suggested and we have > >some of the longer cloaks. Some of the women are complaining that even with > >the hood up they do not feel warm enough...especially when they are not used > >to keeping anything on their heads even if it is tied on. I've finally > >gotten them to come to terms with house caps. I agree that the knitted > >hoods are too late but am still curious as to weather their ilk might have > >been thought of in this period. > > How about bonnets? Kannik's Korner has a bonnet pattern that can be made > out of various materials, from silk taffeta to linen, and I think that > black or dark green wool bonnets might work for your purposes. > > I made myself a bonnet (I didn't use Kannik's pattern, just made myself a > pattern with posterboard and tissue paper, and tweaked it till it looked > right, then used that to cut out the materials) this summer, but I bet it'd > be a bit warmer than a plain cap for winter wear. The brim is buckram, > with millinery wire basted to the edge; I covered the outside with black > taffeta (acetate, not silk, I think; but I was in a hurry and happened to > have it in the fabric stash) and the inside with silk lining material. The > crown is lined with plain cotton fabric, since nobody will see that and you > don't want it to be slippery and slide off your head. I also don't tie the > bonnet under my chin; I don't like the 'tunnel vision' effect, which also > affects one's ability to hear (another reason to use buckram rather than > posterboard for the brim). > > >I have just remembered another piece in my > >'Fragments and Fragiles Bag' that might be interesting to research further. > >It is fawn colored silk, shaped somewhat like a Quaker bonnet but without > >the brim, and there is an indication that it ever had ties...at least that I > >remember. Some of it is slightly wadded with cotton fluff seen beneath the > >lining. The curtain has a 1" ruffle. > > That certainly sounds promising! I'd love to see a picture of what you're > talking about. Is it anything like the Kannik's Corner bonnet pattern? > > >ON the same theme of warmies, What can > >I suggest for the hands? We have gloves and fingerless gloves and mitts; > >would these be leather or knitted? Muffs for what classes. > >Kathleen > > Either leather or knitted wool gloves, or knitted mittens, would certainly > be appropriate. I'm not certain about how widely muffs were used at this > period; I could ask a friend with access to the PA Gazette to do a search > to see how many ads that brings up... But that would be for the Philly > area, not Pittsburgh. My guess would be to go with fairly plain gloves. > > Cheers, > Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13107 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEv290011439; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEv18M018712; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBEu98M018397 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:56:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBBEe6D15398 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:40:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF7521F.F2082941@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:56:31 -0700 Status: RO You're welcome, although it's not my (original) idea. About a decade ago, I was working for a company that did all kinds of custom sewing--mostly tents and tipis and awnings, but also some special projects. One that I thought was *completely cool* was an annual order for tents and such for these Antarctic expeditions (there's actually a picture of one of them in the back of a National Geographic, which I sure wish I had!! ). One of the first years we made the tents, we also made them a whole bunch of sleeping-bag liners. They were, basically, sleeping-bag shaped, with a zippered opening. I think we bound the edges, too, to stabilize it for the zipper. Best of all, my boss let us buy the bolt-ends and such for a dollar a pound. I had this four-foot high stack of polar fleece in my living room! I think sleeping on top of that pile was my cats' *favorite* occupation! --sue Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > A good wool cloak can be a godsend in wet/snowy weather....I'd really > > recommend it, if you can find it. > > Although polartec and polar fleece aren't exactly pre-17th c. fabrics > > (my reenactment time period being pre-17th c.), I'll certainly cop to > > using it for camping blankets and sleeping bag liners . > > It also makes nifty jammies and "tunics to throw on in the middle of the > > night when you need to visit the darned port-a-john." > > Also, hoods, cowls, and sox. > > --sue > > I've recently discovered how easy polartec is to sew, and am making myself > socks out of the remnants from sewing sweaters (jumpers) out of the stuff. > Hm, a sleeping bag liner sounds like a good idea! My sleeping bag isn't > period, anyway; I hide it under a pile of wool blankets. > > Thanks for the idea, > Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13111 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF2390011741; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF228M020473; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF1A8M020157 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-21-88.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.21.88] helo=dan) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18M8MH-0003XR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: <059601c2a126$b050a6e0$581523d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:05:05 -0000 Status: RO Anne wrote: > I recently found some "wool-look" polyester & > acrylic suiting on sale at Jo-Ann's for > $3.99/yard. snip > Has anybody else made a period garment with > fabric which looks right (at least to begin > with), but is totally synthetic, and what > happened? I've never made anything 'period' from pure synthetic, but I have used wool/acrylic mix for theatre costumes. The big problem is that acrylic pills dreadfully, so it starts looking shabby very quickly. It also needed lining to keep it in the right shape. I've still got loads of the stuff but it is in checks, and thus unsuitable for your period. Otherwise I'd happily donate some... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13120 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:01:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF3190011813; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF318M020814; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBF2k8M020703 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:02:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBBEkiD17817 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:46:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF753AE.46264BAF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. References: <20021211144720.C6AE21E27E2@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:03:10 -0700 Status: RO ROTFLMAO! 3 Points to Jane! (hee-hee! ;-) --sue jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, MaryAnn Jones wrote: > > > just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to > > > contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? > > Polartec is worn in Britain during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, yes.... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13171 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFB390012382; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFB28M023554; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFAP8M023319 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-017.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.17]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0427F2D for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:10:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DF7555C.4080900@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? References: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:10:20 +0100 Status: RO Hi, > >Has anybody else made a period garment with >fabric which looks right (at least to begin >with), but is totally synthetic, and what >happened? > I made a 16th century gown out of synthetic fabric. The fabric looks a bit like velvet with a very short pool, but at the back the fabric is a totally different colour. I used it try out the pattern for my weddingdress. I never ment to wear it, but I did and got a lot of compliments. The day that I wore it, it was a very hot day but I didn't had any problems with it. Here are pictures of the dress and the fabric http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thdress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13303 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:27:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFT290013570; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFT18M001068; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFSu8M001030 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:28:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBBFStF11730.; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:55 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:55 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBBFSu8M001030 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:42 +0000 Status: RO > Has anybody else made a period garment with > fabric which looks right (at least to begin > with), but is totally synthetic, and what > happened? An early (c1979) attempt of mine at a 1630s evening dress was in polyester satin, but I used a theatrical pattern and the bodice didn't have the correct cut. The skirt hem discoloured badly from walking to the venue through city streets with oily puddles. Later I wanted to re-use the skirt, dyeing it to hide the stains, but soon realised this wasn't feasible with polyester. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 10:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13467 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFw390015617; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFw18M014122; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBFvr8M014006 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002121115574700300chjfie>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <00e601c2a12e$864c2560$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: References: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <059601c2a126$b050a6e0$581523d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:58:52 -0600 Status: RO My very first period garment was a kirtle made out of that heavy bridal satin. I knew it was not period even though it was my first attempt at a costume for the group. But I was into the period dances and wanted a dress that would swoosh beautifully. :) The heavy bridal satin worked very well. :) I still have the dress, bring it up on this list often, and am looking at it right now. (Computer in the studio is next to my dress closet). It is the goal dress to get back down to size wise. :) Yes comments were made but not as I expected. Comments were more of how beautiful the color was, how wonderfully it flows when we danced, and what a long train you have there, how much fabric did you use. I used 15 yards to make the dress. I was pleasantly surprised that no one commented on the synthetic nature of the fabric. As a new comer at the time I had heard the horror stories of newcomers being confronted to the point of tears. I did not get that. You folks are a lot kinder than some feel you are. :) Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes Not all ermine spots are created equally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Romine" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > > Has anybody else made a period garment with > fabric which looks right (at least to begin > with), but is totally synthetic, and what > happened? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13554 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:24:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGQ290017941; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGQ18M028239; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBGPi8M028047 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:25:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCq7FwQu+c1bEMRDxm8WiTBw42evQGBHMOw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKRVNY67; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:25:01 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project Message-ID: <20021211.101050.-241363335.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:10:50 -0600 Status: RO I would list everything I have planned for 2003, but I don't want to take up that much bandwidth. Let's say it begins with several new Elizabethan Court gowns, continues on with a couple of Gothic Fitted Dresses as a sorbet and finishes up with a complete late Victorian wardrobe......and in my free time I plan to develop a cure for cancer and solve world hunger....... Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:25:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13562 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:25:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGR190018050; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGR08M028802; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGQG8M028372 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBBGP8eQ056668 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:25:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212111625.gBBGP8eQ056668@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Lee Thompson-Herbert" at Dec 11, 2002 02:05:58 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] OT: art cars Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:25:08 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've always wanted to get a big american car (something 70s) and lots of little green army men and set up mock battles on the hood and trunk of the car, complete with miniature greenery. and I want a Pacer, but I'm not sure what I'd do with it. it's round lines just BEG to be an art car. on topic - i would of course delight in driving these to events and fabric stores ;) .heather. > > Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > > Lee, since your address is in Oakland, I'm wondering if you've seen > > the car with CD fish-scales that I spotted on San Pablo Blvd once? > > (It may, however, have been an out-of-towner that was around for an > > "art cars" weekend.) > > You right, I think that one's an out-of-towner. Haven't seen it. > I still bow down before the mastery of the guy who did the stained glass > volkswagon beetle. There's also a local who's done a mosaic on her car > with the flat glass pebbles used for floral arrangements. And the Unholy > Roller, the gothic cathedral car. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13617 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:38:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGe490019111; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGe18M006078; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGdH8M005573 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Y00LSERI8X0@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: [h-cost] 2003 project To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DF769C9.6010708@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:37:29 -0600 Status: RO I am completely in agreement with you Stevie. I have no plans for a project for me personally.. other than to try and clean out my pantry to find out what vegetable is in hiding and smelling very rank... I can't even say I have a "historical bridge" to jump off of :( (I know Catherine,I have not forgotten, you and I are doing the corded corset) >Hi all, >Having read everyone elses' projects, and become consumed with envy, >as well as deep inferiority, I propose to throw myself off the >Millenium Bridge. >Well, at least it's historical... >best wishes >Stevie -- Linda Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:42:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13648 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:42:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGi190019524; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGi08M008374; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGg68M007257 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:42:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.32] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id AADE3F5D00BE; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c2a136$324ce000$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <20021211144720.C6AE21E27E2@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3DF753AE.46264BAF@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:45:42 -0500 Status: RO I'm reading the list backward, 3 days behind, and you have me laughing out loud already! Although actually I think Polartec is specific to Queen Elizabeth II? Does that get me any points? And while I'm at it, if nobody said so already, real polished cotton and glazed chintz were and are not a home reproducible surface. They use some kind of chemical and high pressure rollers. It's not the same as oilcloth----which you can still find sometimes, by the way. Polished cotton didn't wrinkle as badly. Diane S. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ROTFLMAO! 3 Points to Jane! (hee-hee! ;-) --sue jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, MaryAnn Jones wrote: > > > just as easily be said about rain. So it looks like it is back to > > > contemplating wool. thanks for the info. Polartec is Elizabethan right? > > Polartec is worn in Britain during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, yes.... > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13665 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:46:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGkp90019785; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGko8M010126; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGg88M007268 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.32] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id AADF3F5D00BE; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c2a136$331deba0$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <057c01c2a122$24259d00$581523d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:50:21 -0500 Status: RO I don't have the inferiority, but as for the rest -----may I join you? Diane S. <<<<<<<<<<<<< Having read everyone elses' projects, and become consumed with envy, as well as deep inferiority, I propose to throw myself off the Millenium Bridge. Well, at least it's historical... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13713 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:55:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGv290020753; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGv18M016211; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGuj8M016051 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12967 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:05:48 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:05:48 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Anne Romine wrote: > I recently found some "wool-look" polyester & acrylic suiting on sale > at Jo-Ann's for $3.99/yard. ... Has anybody else made a period garment > with fabric which looks right (at least to begin with), but is totally > synthetic, and what happened? It'll come as no surprise to anyone that I'd suggest you hold out for wool. For looks, you might do fine ... at least for a while. But the poly won't wear as well or last as long. Other people have already mentioned the issues about dye fastness and pilling. (Pilling is worst with a fuzzy or soft wool-look poly, less so with a gabardine-look.) In sewing, it will operate a little differently from wool. This may not be an issue in something like an Elizabethan, which is layered over an understructure and is not called upon to shape or mold over your body, but in a "cotehardie" as you're intending to make, it can be a real headache -- hard to make work, and never does the job quite right. It also will not breathe, which is not just an issue of heat but also of sweat and moisture release. Wool can keep you warm, but poly suffocates you. This kind of heating is *not* comfortable. Drape can be way different. I have had to have this point kicked into me. Less than three years ago I succumbed to some poly/acetate drapery brocade because the pattern was perfect. It seemed to be OK, and because it was for a sideless surcote (and not molded to my upper body), I figured the heat and fit issues would be minimal. But I didn't give enough respect to the difference in drape. I get a lot of compliments on the surcote from people whose primary mental image of the shape is from seeing people's attempts in the SCA, but people who are really familiar with the period images notice that it doesn't drape as it should. It doesn't drop straight down in folds and break when it hits the ground; it resists the break and doesn't fold much, which makes it billow out far from the body to retain a flatter shape. I wasted a lot of money and effort on a dress that I'm not happy with and will ultimately remake in wool or silk. If you had found this fabric for $1.00 a yard it would probably make sense to buy it and make an easy dress for day wear and mucking around. The biggest advantage to poly-look wool is that it's easily washable! (If you are thinking of wearing this to camping events, beware of fire. Poly/acetate burns easily and melts; this is to be taken very seriously. Wool is hard to light, and it puts itself out. A small spark-hole is better than a conflagaration.) But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar more a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've found wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than you're thinking of paying for this poly. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 11:58:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13733 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH0890021010; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH058M017863; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBGw08M016770 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MABL-0006Fu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:57:59 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Message-ID: <000c01c2a136$8c807550$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3DF7555C.4080900@kabelfoon.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:58:35 -0700 Status: RO Looks pretty dang nice to me! Of course with that figure, you'd probably look good in a potatoe sack!! :) That is meant to be a compliment; though it may sound double edged-it isn't meant to be. I like to use the 'real thing' whenever possible, but every once in awhile, I come across synthetics that have some quality that makes them acceptable to me. For instance I just bought a bunch of white 'silk' with gold embroidered scroll work-I am going to use it someday for a chemise. I also have some brocades that are embroidered and sort of puffy-all synthetic-they will make a terrific doublet. I'll just have to wear them when it is cold (Ha, Ha-in Phoenix, AZ) :) Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Deredere & Owen Iskander >Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:10 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > >Hi, > >> >>Has anybody else made a period garment with >>fabric which looks right (at least to begin >>with), but is totally synthetic, and what >>happened? >> >I made a 16th century gown out of synthetic fabric. >The fabric looks a bit like velvet with a very short pool, but at the >back the fabric is a totally different colour. >I used it try out the pattern for my weddingdress. I never ment to wear >it, but I did and got a lot of compliments. >The day that I wore it, it was a very hot day but I didn't had any >problems with it. >Here are pictures of the dress and the fabric >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thdress.html > >Greetings, > Deredere > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13752 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:00:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH2390021145; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH228M018963; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH048M017851 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MADJ-0001h6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:01 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 2003 project Message-ID: <000d01c2a136$d56b7350$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021211.101050.-241363335.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:38 -0700 Status: RO As we say in the 'doll world' even if you just make them in your mind there is pleasure in the process of imagining them. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:04:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13783 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:04:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH6290021491; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH618M021316; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBH5R8M020956 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from smui05.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.91]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MAIZ-0002o8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:05:27 -0500 Received: by smui05.slb.mindspring.net id MAA0000024635; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:05:21 -0500 (EST) From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.38.46.71 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: asim@mindspring.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:05:21 -0500 Status: RO So, I'll unlurk for this... I only have a handful, mostly because I'm cramming much of this stuff into the early part of this year; I'll likely be back to dancing full-time by this time next year. Much of this is still vague, as I've been out of the game for awhile, and haven’t ever done things like dyeing. Anyway: I'm targeting doing a few, pretty basic, Ottoman-style outfits for myself and a couple of friends. Nothing of strict historical accuracy, but certainly enough to be a decent, basic A&S entry if I wanted. I'm plotting an Early-period Coptic tunic out of some yellow linen I have sitting around. Eventually, I'd like to do one from dyed linen. I’m putting together a starter set for exploring dying, as my SCA Persona would know it; it promises to make my roommate hate me even more than when I practice zills… I also need to work on felting, as that seems to have been a common technique in Ottoman times. I’ll likely not get anything productive done soon, but I hope to produce some hangings in the period style, eventually working towards making the felt walls for a ger (yurt) I hope to build for future Pennsics…not this one, unless I get _really_ lucky. Some friends on the SCA India list found documentation for period tassel belts in India. Obviously, they have nothing to do with Middle Eastern Dance, and are not like the modern ATS-style belt. If anything, they resemble the Turkeman-style tassels that people like Realm of Regalia sell. Anyway, I'm plotting to build one of those, just to mess with some people's minds. As a long-term goal, I'd like to build a "from the ground up" Ottoman outfit, doing it almost exactly as a period Ottoman tailor would do. It's a long process; This year is me asking around, trying to get documentation on methodology and the like, and testing various bits of it with real outfits. It's going to be a long road, but I think worth it, in the end. There's some other stuff, like a web site of Resources for African, Asian, and Middle Eastern SCA persona, but that's only tangentially related to any costuming projects... Comments welcome; again, I'm new to much of this. :) ----asim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13893 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:11:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHD390022074; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHD18M025151; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHCH8M024734 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.66.41] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A1F0D4070110; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:16 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c2a13a$69820920$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> <3DF6CA76.1F106D7E@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:20:23 -0500 Status: RO There's Hancock's of Paducah, and then of course the biggest little wishbook, Keepsake Quilting. Quilts and Other Comforts is at http://www.quiltsonline.com, but I don't think they have so much repro stuff. Just try a search, there's so much fabric on line it's unreal. Hancock's has an incredible catalog, but I have discovered that the pictures are better than the real thing. The fabric is beautiful, but not actually colored quite that intensely----is that a tactful way of putting it? Get a catalog from Keepsake, they have several lines of reproduction colors, mostly in all cotton-----no, don't get a catalog from them. Bad, bad, bad! I'm supposed to be working, not drooling over that book again! Evil grin, Diane S. <<<<<<<<<<< I'm thinking my best bet would an internet source.... --Sue, from a town smack in the middle of....the _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13913 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHFt90022334; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHFt8M026785; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHCK8M024772 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.66.41] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A1F2D4070110; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00c701c2a13a$6a86f600$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:25:38 -0500 Status: RO <<<<,she said "But what you need such a big house for?">>>. Is there a polite answer for this? It usually makes me so mad I can't think of anything decent to say. What makes people think they have the right to decide where and how somebody else should live? Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13927 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHJ290022589; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHJ18M028404; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBHId8M028213 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 78770 invoked by uid 1005); 11 Dec 2002 17:18:31 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.094221 secs); 11 Dec 2002 17:18:31 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.094221 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 17:18:30 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021211121250.O90563-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:18:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > > I recently found some "wool-look" polyester & acrylic suiting on sale > > at Jo-Ann's for $3.99/yard. ... Has anybody else made a period garment > > with fabric which looks right (at least to begin with), but is totally > > synthetic, and what happened? I tried it with a brown very wooly looking material. It was hot, scratchy and uncomfortable. :) For the past few years I've made a practice of keeping an eye out for 100% wool and linen when it's on sale, even if I don't have a particular use in mind for it. I've been able to buy wool for an average of $6-$8/yd. I once got a windfall of luverly madder red wool at $2/yd. Right now, the only synthetics I use are brocades. It's hard enough finding appropriate 16th century patterns; I'm still a ways away from insisting on silk & wool brocade fabrics. :) As they're usually lined, and used for 16th c. garments that aren't washed and are pretty stiff and bulky to begin with, I don't mind them. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13945 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:20:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHLo90022920; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHLn8M000283; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHFC8M026352 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 39723491 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c2a138$c3c1e560$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:14:28 -0600 Status: RO Oh dear, next year's projects. Well, first of all I need to finish the pluderhosen (pattern from Janet Arnold - the ones worn by Nils Sture) for my brother for his birthday. It's a surprise, and I can't wait to see his face when he sees the codpiece! Then I have this upholstery fabric that I just had to buy because it shouted "Tudor! Tudor! at me as I passed by. So, that's the next project. I only hope I have enough fabric to do the really big turn-back sleeves. I also want to make an effigy corset - my first try/mock-up seems to be a little long in the torso, as I am getting poked in the armpits. I'm also not sure about the height of the front. I'll have to pull it out and take another look at it - I first tried this past summer, but just couldn't get it to work, so it went into the UFO box for awhile. I also recently picked up a large amount of brownish cotton? velvet for a gown - not sure just what I'll do with that yet. That same trip brought home some blue fabric with gold scrolled stripes, and another blue fabric with shiny and matte stripes in it, but all the same color. I also found some natural linen and some off-white wool that will get dyed and probably made into a middle-class Elizabethan. Oh, and I have another lovely red wool that needs to have something done with it. I need to fix the shoulder straps on my Flemish gown - I made them too narrow so you can see the kirtle underneath. And then, I want to make up at least one more lower/middle class Elizabethan for myself and my husband before Faire this year. Hmmm...I think that's it. I need to work on using my stash (10 bankers boxes and counting!), but most of what I have is too small for Eliz. or not the right color/fabric/whatever. :-( Maybe I should just go through the stuff and give it away. My sister is starting to sew... Oh, and I'm taking the Glovemaking class in January; and did I mention the brown leather that I picked up this fall when I bought the red leather to make my brother's doublet (Nils Sture again)? Also got some lovely buff lightweight leather that I used for the trim on the doublet, and have more than enough left over to make some gloves (I hope!). This coming year is also supposed to have us finishing off our basement with electricity, dry wall, built-in bookshelves which is where my sewing area will move to. I am also sharing with the guest bedroom (what, a bed isn't supposed to be used as a cutting table?) and having to pick everything up in the middle of a project just so someone can *sleep* there is a real PITA. You know, I didn't think I had a whole lot planned for next year...amazing what happens when you start to write things down! (And you wonder why I usually lurk - I need to absorb all the knowledge I can from this list and then apply it to the projects above!) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13963 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:25:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHR290023420; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHR18M003146; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f14.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHQe8M002902 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:16:37 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:16:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 17:16:37.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[105C7DE0:01C2A139] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:16:37 -0800 Status: RO >Having read everyone elses' projects, and become consumed with envy, >as well as deep inferiority, OK, I can deal with the inferiority part as I have years to continue absorbing information from all of the wonderful members here. I'm just so in awe of the huge, I mean HUGE, lists of projects already planned out. I vaguely plan to start the underpinnings for my dream dress and hope to at least get ready to cut the brocade. "I wont be intimidated by the fabric, I wont..." Now if I can just get the rest of the Christmas presents finished on time this year. ;) Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! PS. Stevie, bridge jumping is not allowed. It's really impossible to make the perfect costume for a splat!! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14041 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:44:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHjB90025107; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:45:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHj38M013611; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHiB8M013095 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13209 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:53:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:53:15 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Thanks, Robin, for this clarification. I must have misinterpreted > Sarah's article as suggesting that "bum-roll" was a modern term or > that they didn't exist. (One paragraph is headed "The bum-roll myth".) I just located the article and confirmed -- in referring to the "bum-roll myth," Sarah was indeed talking about the modern presumption that the bum-roll was used throughout the 1500s. Key quotes from her article: << The bumroll is often cited as being a necessary component of ALL 16th century costume. This is most decidedly inaccurate. ... While the bumroll does a reasonable job in giving a woman more hip, it is not referenced in contemporary 16th century literature or wardrobe accounts. ... The bumroll is something that is at best a guess at how the skirts of 16th century gowns were supported, but it is not mentioned before the later 16th century and at which point it is a slang term referring to the French Farthingale. ... With the profusion of cartoons mocking female fashions from this period, the only reference to a bumroll is seen only at the extreme end of the 16th century. While I believe that padding is undeniable, I am hesitant to say that the modern interpretation of the bumroll is accurate for female costume prior to 1570. >> The whole thing is at , which someone probably posted already, but I'd deleted, so maybe worth repeating. I'd quibble only with two points in the above. First, I don't believe there's *any* known written reference to "bum-roll" before 1601, not even "later 16th century"; Sarah may have been referring there to a certain visual reference that's pre-1600, rather than to any written one. Second, I'd question that the phrase "bum-roll" first appears as a slang term for the French farthingale. That statement is commonly repeated in costume histories, which is probably where Sarah drew it from, but I personally think whoever originally came up with that reading (not Sarah) was misinterpreting the sources, since the first recorded reference of 1601 clearly specifies a difference between the French farthingale and the bum-roll, so obviously the latter is a separate object, not slang for the former. (Or "objects," as the speaker complains about having to wear "bum-rowles," in the plural, instead of the better French farthingale, implying some combination of pads, not a single roll. But this is a digression.) These are extremely minor matters. Overall, I think Sarah's summary is on the mark. I'm guessing that Sarah is writing for the SCA, which cuts off at 1600. That means that for SCA purposes, there's a tendency to focus only on items from before 1600, and anything that can't be documented within the 16th century is out of consideration. Within that context, someone might state or imply that "the bumroll [or whatever] isn't period" -- meaning "for our purposes of pre-1600 re-enactment." To a reader who doesn't have that dividing line to deal with, this implication can be a little confusing, because it might suggest that the writer is saying some item is not period ever. I'm sure that's not what Sarah meant; it's just that her key question was "Is the bumroll suitable for pre-1600 costume?" --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14076 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHnO9E025503; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHmF8M015582; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBHja8M013907 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:45:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgMmGa2maNtaKgGtrIiRNbSx3GWB9ADnog=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKRZ8S7S; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:44:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. Message-ID: <20021211.124310.-147981.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:43:10 -0500 Status: RO Just had to pop in here with a couple of comments. Phoenix fabrics is fabric.com and they have great bargains. But what I wanted to say is - lining a cloak or cape or anything that doesn't fit closely with satin is asking for constantly pulling it back into place. Satin is just too slippery for that sort of thing and you will wish you hadn't done it in short order. Been there - done that - won't do it again. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 12:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14098 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:52:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHs290026054; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBHs1FH019958; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBHrRFH019512 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 82144 invoked by uid 1005); 11 Dec 2002 17:53:19 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.07608 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 17:53:19 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021211123930.Y90563-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:53:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lessee, projects: Unfortunately, this next year will be devoted primarily to digesting all of the yummy things I found during my trip to England. Very little Garment making, unfortunately...well, maybe something for hubby, and an attempt at one of the gowns in the Tailor's Book of Enns. Finish transcribing and start testing recipes from the 16th c. English dye book I found. Combine with dye recipes from Alessio Piemontese's Book of Secrets & three German dye/textile recipe manuscripts I've transcribed & translated. Plus some translations from a Dutch 16th c. dye book. Test the fabric cleaning recipes in these on the aforementioned dyed sample fabrics. Annotate the heck out of everything. Finish transcribing 1560s wardrobe inventory of the Earl of Pembroke. Do some statistical garment & color analysis & write article. Transcribe the various tailor's bills & account records of Lord Orme (found at the PRO) & get that ready for publication. Publish pattern & article on the early 17th c. (?) stomacher currently at the Globe. Once those four things are out of the way, I'll be able to work on my "Tailor's Book" project--creating a tailor's book that may concievably have been used by a London tailor of the 1580s. It'll have sample garment patterns from all existing 16th & early 17th c. tailor's books I can get my hands on, some tailor's patterns back-engineered from garments in Arnold & elsewhere, a sample apprenticeship contract and customer bill, a list of where to get what materials at the best prices, a list of costs for generic tasks and items (hat, stays, etc.), a receipt book & some IOUs, drawings of various pinking & trim patterns for doublets, a sonnet on the tailoring trade, the requisite charts for converting fabric widths & lengths, and whatever else I can think to put in it. Written in secretary hand on linen paper with oak gall ink with a quill pen. Fun fun fun! Whee! (God, I am such a research geek. :P) And once /that's/ taken care of, I can get back to making some gowns & fun stuff like that. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14189 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIC590028121; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIC0FH002141; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIBAFH001595 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fca.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.202]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B0365EE355 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:11:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c2a140$d69b3530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000d01c2a136$d56b7350$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:12:16 +0100 Status: RO Hello! I was so lucky today cause i went to the art/craft shop today looking for paper clay, and Yipeee they had it!! Baught some packages, to try it, When i was at Castle Kronborg this spring, there was some lovely lovely costume dolls in the museum shop. They were not for sale (i think-hmmm maybe) It was fashion dolls of Christian IV and his Lady dressed in lovely lovely renaissance dresses. With ruffs and cuffs and gorgeous gorgeous costumes on. Such dolls i want to try in the new year!!! Bjarne who unfortunately has a lot of other work to do right now------------- it is sooooooooooo difficult when you really really would like to make something else, but i have some deadlines to catch........... Thanks for your lovely inputs about the paper clay :-) Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 2003 project > As we say in the 'doll world' even if you just make them in your mind > there is pleasure in the process of imagining them. > > Sg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14194 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIFA90028453; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIF9FH004155; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIDUFH003119 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBIDT11009329 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods In-Reply-To: <002701c2a123$afbe3240$655183d1@rmitchellras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:13:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Kathleen, I think you need to talk to Barbara Bockrath at the Oliver Miller Homestead; Miller was a store-owner on the frontier in the time period you're describing, and it's surprising how many 'luxury' items he had in stock. It's surprising how many people moved out to the frontier but nevertheless tried to 'keep up appearances' once they got there. Come to think of it, if I moved to the boonies, I wouldn't wear my best clothes out in the yard gardening, but I'd still have them for 'best', especially if I were entertaining visitors... -- Mara On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Hello, again. Guess our references are working at cross purposes. From > your previous posts I gather you are in the British Isles while I am in and > speak of rural America; particularly for the time period of the last decade > of the Eighteenth Century-.It is possible that the only woman of fashion > would have been the lady of my House in this area at that time. We > speculate that her position would have meant that she could not go > native,-nor should she-dress in a manner that might have been understood as > flaunting her class or wealth-At this time her husband was an aspiring > lawyer. We speculate on their wealth because they built the first stone > house in Catfish Creek as the community was first named . Her husband was a > graduate of Princeton and her family were people of note in Baltimore.If she > used fur at all, it would have most discreet, and in the democratic manner, > she probably would have continued doing so when visiting in the big city. > Of course wearing fur trimmings in the city would not call as much attention > to herself as it would on the frontier. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14209 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBII390028814; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBII2FH005997; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIH5FH005382 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBIH411009846 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th Century winter hats/hoods In-Reply-To: <004601c2a125$75094980$655183d1@rmitchellras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Glad to help! "Auntie B", as she calls herself, posts pretty freqently on the 18thCWoman list, and seems to be a veritable wealth of knowledge :D Certainly more well-versed on frontier life than I am! -- Mara On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Thankyou Mare for you suggestions. When I get into the "Bag" I will > certainly share my findings. I had not thought of the Miller Homestead > source; they are also on the "Whiskey Circuit" and Barb sometimes does > things with us.(hitting hand to head) I do have the Cumberland County book > with inventories and will have to peruse that more completely too. > Kathleen > rmitchell@washjeff.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14225 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIKp90029175; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIKpFH007784; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIHrFH005881 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:17:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18MBQe-0007sp-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:17:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:37:27 +0000 Status: RO Joy Shillaker wrote >Thanks for the comments and advice. >The earliest reference to bigon (yet another spelling) I have in my >research is 1608, Rachael, but I trust the OED. The raile,rayle >reference is brilliant Kate, thanks. > >Another term that I'm finding difficult to pin down is partlett.There >are kerchers, neckerchers headkerchers and so on but no partlett. Is >this because it's a high class garment? > >The hardest thing I'm finding in my research is that so much for the >earlier period is in Latin. Pilum for cap appears and so does camecia >for smock. Is there such a thing as 'Tudor and Elizabethan latin? > >regards >Joy >(who is returning to the 17th century asap) > Certainly there is Medieval latin, which is clearly distinct from Classical latin, and you will find dictionaries for it which list the new meanings of classical words, and the new words invented for new things. I'm not sure that 16th century latin would be seen as a distinct type, but there are probably scholars who specialise in that period and are familiar with the "dialect" of the time. However, your problem is always finding scholars who understand both the latin and the costume - they may know that pilum means something worn on the head, but can they distinguish it from other types of hat/cap/veil/hood....? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14250 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:22:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIO390029407; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIO1FH009475; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIKOFH007394 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBIKN11010208 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: <00e601c2a12e$864c2560$31baee0c@c59303a> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Speaking of which... Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.? -- Mara On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, chiara wrote: > My very first period garment was a kirtle made out of that heavy bridal > satin. I knew it was not period even though it was my first attempt at a > costume for the group. But I was into the period dances and wanted a dress > that would swoosh beautifully. :) > > The heavy bridal satin worked very well. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14261 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:24:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIQG90029591; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIQFFH010808; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIMCFH008542 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBBIMB11010565 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c2a136$324ce000$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Polished cotton Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:22:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ok, so polished cotton was used for linings in the 19th c. -- was it used for the outer part of the garments, too? Like, mid-late 19th c. dresses? - Mara On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, STRAIGHT wrote: > And while I'm at it, if nobody said so already, real polished cotton and > glazed chintz were and are not a home reproducible surface. They use some > kind of chemical and high pressure rollers. It's not the same as > oilcloth----which you can still find sometimes, by the way. > Polished cotton didn't wrinkle as badly. > > Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14278 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:28:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIU790029902; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIU6FH012853; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBIT5FH012269 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgMmGa2maNtarYsunC5rQqdMkbvh/73yiA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKR4QR68; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:28:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining Message-ID: <20021211.132639.-147981.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,8-10 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:50:31 -0500 Status: RO <<>> Well, Sue, if it makes you feel any better, I live in the middle of flat Florida and the only fabric store in my whole county is a JoAnn's. There used to be a couple of others, but they all left and now it is JoAnn's or Walmart (not at this time of year). However, I do find that fabric.com has a lot of good bargains and they get new stock in all the time so it is worth checking them weekly. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14316 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIeA90000951; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIe7FH018740; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:40:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIdgFH018506 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fca.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.202]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BF4085EEA5E for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:38:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c2a144$b2c6db60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polished cotton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:39:54 +0100 Status: RO Here in Denmark there are many peassants clotsed preserved from 19th century. A lot of those clothes are made of polished cottons. When they could not afford to buy silk, they used polished cotton in stead because it glimts and shines like silk. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Polished cotton > Ok, so polished cotton was used for linings in the 19th c. -- was it used > for the outer part of the garments, too? Like, mid-late 19th c. dresses? > > - Mara > > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, STRAIGHT wrote: > > And while I'm at it, if nobody said so already, real polished cotton and > > glazed chintz were and are not a home reproducible surface. They use some > > kind of chemical and high pressure rollers. It's not the same as > > oilcloth----which you can still find sometimes, by the way. > > Polished cotton didn't wrinkle as badly. > > > > Diane S. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 13:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14345 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:44:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIk490001613; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBIk3FH022332; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBIieFH021392 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:44:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7878 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-75.sonic.net [209.148.112.75]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBBIiZ911521 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:44:35 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF787F8.6F4200FA@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:46:16 -0800 Status: RO http://www.designerfabrics.ca Under "Silks/Damasks and Embroidered" they have some gorgeous machine-embroidered dupionis. They will send up to eight swatches, which you can keep for weeks without charge. I just received mine. The embroidery on most is very dense and at a scale suitable for clothing. It is high quality for machine embroidery. Also, the fabrics on the website are mostly not bridal white-on-white, unlike the very few similar embroidered silks I've seen in local stores. Most are colors and designs suitable for the 18th century. Some might work for19th-century fashions inspired by the 18th century. Some of the ones I did not get samples of may be smooth silks. I think the prices are fair given the quality of the fabrics. Personally, I'm not going to get all agitated about exactly when it's OK to wear dupioni. It's so hard to find fabrics like this at all, that I just bought what I really liked. A good design is more visible than slubs in the silk. But they also have some smooth taffeta checks and plaids. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 14:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14901 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJJ290004637; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJJ1FH010664; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJIUFH010388 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:18:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B561141F3 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip35.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.35]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BEC21124E7 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301c2a149$f1858860$23614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2A120.04FAB5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Subject: [h-cost] 2003 Project Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:21 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2A120.04FAB5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two gowns--one will be my brick red wool Tudor, with brown-velvet lined = sleeves. One Elizabethan, of a fabric to be named later, from the skin out. That oughta keep me occupied! Dianne Next to acquiring good friends, the best acquisition is that of good = books. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2A120.04FAB5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two gowns--one will be my brick red = wool Tudor,=20 with brown-velvet lined sleeves.
 
One Elizabethan, of a fabric to be = named later,=20 from the skin out.
 
That oughta keep me=20 occupied!

Dianne
Next to acquiring good friends, the = best=20 acquisition is that of good books.
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2A120.04FAB5C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 14:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14981 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:36:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJc290006355; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJc1FH020471; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBJbgFH020301 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.165.40] (helo=wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MCfs-0001j4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:37:41 -0800 Received: from [192.168.165.59] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Dec 11 14:37:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: <653726.1039635460558.JavaMail.nobody@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> From: Woodrow Jarvis Hill To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:42:16 -0500 (GMT) Status: RO From: Lavolta Press > It's so hard to find fabrics like this at all, > that I just bought what I really liked. A good design is more > visible > than slubs in the silk. But they also have some smooth taffeta > checks and plaids. Along these same lines, a recent SCA Persian elist post pointed out http://www.arabiannights.ca/silk-bulk.htm , which carries Silk Brocade from Syria. No experience with them, but it looks lovely, and I look forward to sorting out which pieces might work in a period style... > Fran ----asim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15080 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBK2290010421; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBK20FH003221; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBK1gFH003051 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:01:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 77510 invoked by uid 1005); 11 Dec 2002 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.114393 secs); 11 Dec 2002 20:01:34 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.114393 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 20:01:34 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks In-Reply-To: <653726.1039635460558.JavaMail.nobody@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20021211150118.N90563-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO YUMMY! OK, I need to make myself a Turkish outfit now. Thanks, Drea On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Woodrow Jarvis Hill wrote: > From: Lavolta Press > > > It's so hard to find fabrics like this at all, > > that I just bought what I really liked. A good design is more > > visible > > than slubs in the silk. But they also have some smooth taffeta > checks and plaids. > > Along these same lines, a recent SCA Persian elist post pointed out http://www.arabiannights.ca/silk-bulk.htm , which carries Silk Brocade from Syria. No experience with them, but it looks lovely, and I look forward to sorting out which pieces might work in a period style... > > > Fran > > ----asim > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15112 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBK8490014156; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBK83FH006424; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBK79FH005902 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.78.32a0a1c7 (3310) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <78.32a0a1c7.2b28f4b4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.32a0a1c7.2b28f4b4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:06:12 EST Status: RO --part1_78.32a0a1c7.2b28f4b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:27:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes: > Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly > imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real > silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.? > --part1_78.32a0a1c7.2b28f4b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:27:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes:


Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly
imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real
silk.  What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.?


 --part1_78.32a0a1c7.2b28f4b4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15116 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKE490025431; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKE1FH009636; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKDvFH009574 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.11.45373ac (3310) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <11.45373ac.2b28f631@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.45373ac.2b28f631_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:12:33 EST Status: RO --part1_11.45373ac.2b28f631_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:27:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes: > Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly > imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real > silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.? > Sorry about the runaway computer. Acetate: Weak, falls apart easily, especially if wet, frays, HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!, other than that, behaves more like natural than other synthetics ie. wrinkles, drapes, shrinks. Silk: Strong, dyes beautifully, lustrous, incredible hand (drape, flow). Not called "the Queen of Fabrics" for nothing. And can be had as cheaply as acetate from Exotic Silks and other vendors. Cheryl --part1_11.45373ac.2b28f631_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/2002 11:27:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes:


Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly
imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real
silk.  What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.?


Sorry about the runaway computer.  Acetate: Weak, falls apart easily, especially if wet, frays, HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!, other than that, behaves more like natural than other synthetics ie. wrinkles, drapes, shrinks.

Silk: Strong, dyes beautifully, lustrous, incredible hand (drape, flow).  Not called "the Queen of Fabrics" for nothing.  And can be had as cheaply as acetate from Exotic Silks and other vendors.

Cheryl
 --part1_11.45373ac.2b28f631_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15223 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:25:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKQ690009933; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKQ4FH016522; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKPLFH016001 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 39809058 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c2a153$53b31d00$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:37 -0600 Status: RO Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be > happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar more > a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've found > wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than you're > thinking of paying for this poly. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15289 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKca90013908; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKc8lT000636; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKPLFH016001 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 39809058 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c2a153$53b31d00$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:37 -0600 Status: RO Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be > happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar more > a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've found > wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than you're > thinking of paying for this poly. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15397 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:45:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKl290024064; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKl0lT006266; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from listserv.okstate.edu (listserv.okstate.edu [139.78.100.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKkvlT006211 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:46:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from osu-ns09.cis.okstate.edu by listserv.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.122BF387@listserv.okstate.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:36:33 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "Christina L Biles" Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns09/Okstate(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/11/2002 14:36:33, Serialize complete at 12/11/2002 14:36:33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:36:32 -0600 Status: RO >>>Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) I'm obviously not Robin, but... http://www.trimfabric.com/ -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15419 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKno90027741; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:49:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKnnlT008052; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:49:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from listserv.okstate.edu (listserv.okstate.edu [139.78.100.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKkvlT006210 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:46:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from osu-ns09.cis.okstate.edu by listserv.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.122BF496@listserv.okstate.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:42:32 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "Christina L Biles" Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns09/Okstate(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/11/2002 14:42:32, Serialize complete at 12/11/2002 14:42:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:42:31 -0600 Status: RO 2003 (and probably the 10 years following) Finish: *Blue silk cutte & pinked man's mid-sixteenth century German based on this woodcut: The doublet is almost finished, the pants are on the drawing board, the hat is waiting to see how much is left of the blue silk from the pants to decide whether it will be blue silk or black velvet. *Pair of black shoes, cutte & pinked, to match the outfit above *Cream silk man's late 1570's Elizabethan outfit covered with pearls, gold beads, and gold passing thread - handsewn I'm partway through adding the pearls, gold beads, and couched gold passing thread to the doublet pieces. I have the fabric for the Spanish sleeves, but I haven't mocked them up yet. I'm still looking for the black velvet (I want silk, I think I'll settle for rayon/silk blend) for the cloak & hat. The shirt pieces are waiting for drawnwork & embroidery. Not yet started: *cream/natural embroidered shoes to go with the cream outfit above *green bliaut type thing for me (think side laced gored kirtle) *red bliaut type thing as a "surprise" for a friend (Close your eyes. Take your clothes off. No, keep your eyes closed. Pay no attention to the dress being pulled over your head. No, I'm not making you anything. Shut up and keep your eyes closed.) *black loose gown with bronze kirtle for me *new smock to go with my Flemish, and an apron *German Renn outfit (complete with 80's bow butt codpiece) for a friend *Viking apron dress for a friend *generic kirtle and surcoat for the same friend *3-4 new shirts for Ox In my wildest dreams: *retrofit the half -completed Ottoman to my new, more ample figure & finish the outfit *black & red line cotehardie for Ox, in wearable mockup for the black and red silk cotehardie *turnshoes for Ox & I *gold-brocaded garters for the cream outfit *learn to knit to make silk hose -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15434 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKr390006009; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKr2lT010053; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKmGlT007029 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Z00C5034EAN@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021211122349.050c5440@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:25:58 -0800 Status: RO >"I wont be intimidated by the fabric, I wont..." My grandmother was a hobby weaver. She wove a piece of fabric for a dress and jacket for me (I was young and small then) for a weaver's convention. My mother was severely intimidated by the prospect of cutting into this fabric till I offered to do the cutting. Somehow she managed. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15443 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:54:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKtn90011152; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKtmlT011572; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:55:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKmGlV007029 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Z00C5034EAN@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining In-reply-to: <00c601c2a13a$69820920$20432ad8@infoblvd.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021211122808.050cb4d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021208191614.00cbae70@mail.frys.com> <3DF4962F.4B555B8@in-tch.com> <3DF6CA76.1F106D7E@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:28:40 -0800 Status: RO >http://www.quiltsonline.com If they have tan glazed cotton, they keep it hidden. I could find no such thing. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 15:57:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15461 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:57:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKw990014814; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKw6lT012857; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKmGlX007029 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.92]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6Z00C5034EAN@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks In-reply-to: <653726.1039635460558.JavaMail.nobody@wamui05.slb.atl.earth link.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021211123245.050aa740@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:35:23 -0800 Status: RO >Along these same lines, a recent SCA Persian elist post pointed out >http://www.arabiannights.ca/silk-bulk.htm , which carries Silk Brocade >from Syria. No experience with them, but it looks lovely, and I look >forward to sorting out which pieces might work in a period style... As I was busy drooling in my shoes, I realized I didn't make enough last year to buy enough of this lovely stuff to do anything with, at a minimum of 5 meters per cut, and a surcharge of $35 for orders under 10 meters. They claim the Vatican is one of their customers, and I believe it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15483 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBL1190016226; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBL11lT014523; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBKrJlT010166 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 17178017 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c2a157$3c254f60$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: <128.1d536dd4.2b28a829@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:52:35 -0600 Status: RO What about wool/poly blends vs. 100% wool? I know 100% is better, but blends are more plentiful and affordable :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15498 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:03:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBL4390016565; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBL41lT016236; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21405.mail.yahoo.com (web21405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBKxJlT013566 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:59:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021211205731.64809.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.173] by web21405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:57:31 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DF769C9.6010708@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:57:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO No! NO! NO! No bridge jumping, inferiority, or other such things....not cool ;( What else could keep me going when I look at my cancerous project list than the goal of clearing that out and starting on something from one of Fran's books, or trying out some of the non-SCA period things? (Other than the sci-fi/fantasy stuff...but i use the same knowledge!) Most of the stuff I sew currently is very simple, with applique being the most advanced treatment, or a few bits of embroidery. Makes it easy to have a large project list when each project maybe takes 8 hours from draft to final hem. Angharat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15536 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLD490017452; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLD0lT022254; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLCQlT021716 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA24362 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212112134.NAA24362@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:34:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lavolta Press > > http://www.designerfabrics.ca > > Under "Silks/Damasks and Embroidered" they have some gorgeous > machine-embroidered dupionis. They will send up to eight swatches, > which you can keep for weeks without charge. I just received mine. > The embroidery on most is very dense and at a scale suitable for > clothing. It is high quality for machine embroidery. Also, the > fabrics on the website are mostly not bridal white-on-white, unlike > the very few similar embroidered silks I've seen in local stores. One thing to beware of with embroidered silks is that the embroidery is often rayon. If you attempt to vat dye with acid dyes, the dye takes on the silk, but only very lightly on the embroidery. If you _know_ this, you shouldn't be suprised by the results. It can be quite lovely. The shock comes in when you buy a piece of already dyed fabric that wasn't washed out propery. I bought a piece of azure silk with deeper blue embroidery once. Upon washing with Synthropol, it became azure silk with light blue embroidery. Worse, some of the embroidery had washed out unevenly, leaving a patch right in the middle of the piece that was almost white. Oops. This was before I'd done much garment dyeing, though I'd done silk painting and batik quite a bit by then. If I'd known then what I know _now_ about dyeing textiles, I wouldn't have been so shocked. I ended up using the silk for a very fancy psuedo-medieval hat with a beaded fringe that goes just fine with pre-raphaelite style dresses. I still have the other half of the piece that I'll probably make into a matching pouch at some point. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15568 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLI290017844; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLI1lT025130; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBLHAlT024639 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCq7FwQu+c1bEqEhn8MuyLzCErvLTv1xJrg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKSECBRY; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:16:17 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining Message-ID: <20021211.151458.-241363335.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-13 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:14:58 -0600 Status: RO You might try looking under their cotton sateens. They seem to have several colors which might do, although none are actually tan. Karen On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:28:40 -0800 Carolyn Kayta Barrows writes: > > >http://www.quiltsonline.com > > If they have tan glazed cotton, they keep it hidden. I could find > no such thing. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15678 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:32:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLY290019004; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLY1lT004264; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBBLXqlT004182 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:33:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 32750 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-91.sonic.net [209.148.112.91]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBBLXkb13772 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:33:49 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF7AF9F.F9245259@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks References: <200212112134.NAA24362@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:35:27 -0800 Status: RO Most (though not all) of their embroidery is multicolor, so could not have been dyed along with the cloth. I always dry clean silks, except for soft silk lingerie that was meant to be hand washed. I've never had any fading problems with rayon, silk, embroidery, or brocade with dry cleaning. Washing silks and embroidered fabrics can be more problematic than dry cleaning, though it depends on the fabric. If you cut off a test sample of the fabric, measure it (to later calculate shrinkage), and clean it by the desired method (or more than one method), you'll know how it does or does not shrink or fade before you make up the garment. This prevents most unpleasant surprises. And with swatches, you could even clean the swatch before ordering yardage. You'd have to pay for the swatch instead of borrowing it, but that would be much less expensive than buying fabric for a whole garment. Anyway, I'm thrilled with my purchase and look foward to receiving it. Fran Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Lavolta Press > > > > http://www.designerfabrics.ca > > > > Under "Silks/Damasks and Embroidered" they have some gorgeous > > machine-embroidered dupionis. They will send up to eight swatches, > > which you can keep for weeks without charge. I just received mine. > > The embroidery on most is very dense and at a scale suitable for > > clothing. It is high quality for machine embroidery. Also, the > > fabrics on the website are mostly not bridal white-on-white, unlike > > the very few similar embroidered silks I've seen in local stores. > > One thing to beware of with embroidered silks is that the embroidery > is often rayon. If you attempt to vat dye with acid dyes, the dye takes > on the silk, but only very lightly on the embroidery. If you _know_ this, > you shouldn't be suprised by the results. It can be quite lovely. The > shock comes in when you buy a piece of already dyed fabric that wasn't > washed out propery. > > I bought a piece of azure silk with deeper blue embroidery once. Upon > washing with Synthropol, it became azure silk with light blue embroidery. > Worse, some of the embroidery had washed out unevenly, leaving a patch > right in the middle of the piece that was almost white. Oops. This was > before I'd done much garment dyeing, though I'd done silk painting and > batik quite a bit by then. If I'd known then what I know _now_ about > dyeing textiles, I wouldn't have been so shocked. I ended up using the > silk for a very fancy psuedo-medieval hat with a beaded fringe that goes > just fine with pre-raphaelite style dresses. I still have the other half > of the piece that I'll probably make into a matching pouch at some point. --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15738 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:44:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLk390020019; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLk1lT011032; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLjulT010984 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.119.217] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A213D64E013C; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c2a160$a3c31a40$d9772ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <20021211205731.64809.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:59:50 -0500 Status: RO <<<<>>. If the bridge to the next year is the same as the bridge to the new millennium, whichever year it was, there's not much to worry about. It never amounted to anything after all that fluff and fuss. How's the generator, woodpile, and 2 year supply of food and fabric? Actually, historic clothes were designed for cold houses with no central heating. You would have been right in style! Diane S.---southwest NYS, lots of mushy stuff, wood stove buried under pile of yarn and wool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15772 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:49:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLp390020484; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLp2lT013878; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLoZlT013601 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p11.directcon.net [206.170.184.110]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBBLo8bh008100; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:50:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021211135414.007ed9b0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Wool crepe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:54:14 -0800 Status: RO When did wool crepe come along? Would it be suitable for Elizabethan men's wear? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 16:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15803 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:53:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLt290020790; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLt2lT016132; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLsXlT015810 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBLvFYv025769 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:57:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF7B487.2050309@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks References: <3DF787F8.6F4200FA@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:56:23 -0800 Status: RO To Fran- Oh, thanks _so_ much!! Really!! Now, your next mission is to help me decide which body part I can sell to get some of this scrumptious stuff. Or, maybe lay in wait for a sale (if it ever happens). Theresa Eacker Lavolta Press wrote: > http://www.designerfabrics.ca > > Under "Silks/Damasks and Embroidered" they have some gorgeous > machine-embroidered dupionis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 17:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15971 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:16:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMI490022742; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMI0lT028978; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMHilT028847 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-010casfrmp166.dialsprint.net ([158.252.241.168]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MFAk-0006dM-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Moorish Garb, was De-lurking...with a medieval question. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:17:35 -0800 Status: RO >Middle-Eastern Costuming of 13th Century >by Rozalynd of Thornaby on Tees > >http://users.lazerlink.com/~dwarph/v1n1/al-must_v1N1.html#RTFToC11 I cannot recommend this site for any purpose. It presents gross generalizations based largely on 19th and 20th century, but not good historical research for those two centuries. And definitely not useful if you are interested in clothing from before those centuries. There are a multitude of SCA Near Eastern lists on Yahoo! But most are rather quiet and don't have a great deal of useful information. The best is the Persian list, sca-persian. There are actually knowledgeable folks on that list who do real research and make good garb. And there are patterns in the files section and photos of folks in their clothes as well as photos of actual cloth and period paintings in the photos section. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sca-persian For Andalusian clothing, you can ask on the SCA Spanish list, Medieval_Spain, which has plenty of knowledgeable people. Especially, look for posts by Violante, as she specializes in Muslim Spain. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Medieval_Spain I think it's well worth signing up with Yahoo to receive these lists and have access to their files and photos. al-Sayyida Anahita al-Qurtubiyya bint 'abd al-Karim al-Fassi Dar Anahita, a Maghribi domicile http://witch.drak.net/lilinah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 21:02:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16907 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC24390008992; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC241lT005815; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC23QlT005533 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:03:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-023casfrmp092.dialsprint.net ([63.183.8.94] helo=[158.252.241.168]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MIhB-0001oc-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:03:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:03:17 -0800 Status: RO Woodrow Jarvis Hill wrote: >Along these same lines, a recent SCA Persian elist post pointed out >http://www.arabiannights.ca/silk-bulk.htm >which carries Silk Brocade from Syria. No experience with them, >but it looks lovely, and I look forward to sorting out which pieces >might work in a period style... Aargh! What torture! Pretty much all of these fabrics are *perfect* for 15th and 16th century Persian, and many look very Safavid!! I *really* need these for the Persian wardrobe i'm making. So far i've made the prototype garments and a paper pattern from one of them so i can repeat what i did. But i really need these real silk brocades to look just right... Unfortunately none of the patterns is on the "oversized" scale typical of Ottoman, although a few have vaguely similar motifs, such as the carnations. I'll just have to keep looking - i'll be starting on the prototype garments for my 16th c. Ottoman wardrobe next week. Too bad those "low Canadian dollars" still add up to too many even when converted into fewer US dollars. And this stuff is only about 36" wide. So i'd need close to twice as much of it as i would of 45" to 54" wide fabric. And for Persians, i'm already using about 4 yards at "modern" widths. And i'm lucky, i'm 5'1" so i need less fabric than most women and men. So far, the most i've paid for fabric is around $25 US per yard for 60" wide jacquard woven "home decorating" fabric with 16th c. Persian patterns. Of course, that fabric has the wrong hand, but at least it has the right look. But not as right as Arabian Nights... Some day, when i win the Lotto, Arabian Nights and Bevilacqua, here i come... Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 21:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17029 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2b290010673; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2b1lT016475; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2aflT016333 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBC31IaB030295; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:01:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBC31Hu3030293; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:01:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Robin Netherton Subject: Re: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212112201.17327.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBC2aflT016333 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:01:17 -0500 Status: RO On Wednesday 11 December 2002 08:30 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: [text cut here] > In the portion where she quotes my work, Sarah does note my assertion that > the modern vision of the "wheel" farthingale as a hooped or wired flat > frame is most likely an inaccurate assumption about what gave the "French > farthingale" style its shape. You can find some earlier threads on this > topic collected at . (Last time I looked, > Sarah's article linked to the h-cost archives for some of this material; > the collection at this URL has more and is easier to read.) [rest of text cut] Robin, if you ever make a sketch of your idea as to what support structure the "wheel" farthingale may have had, I'd appreciate it if you could post a URL to it or send me (privately) an image of same. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 21:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17078 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:58:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC30190011885; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC301lT023837; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2x8lT023501 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002121202590300100crs7ee>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:59:03 +0000 Message-ID: <00cf01c2a18a$6d8114d0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:59:02 -0800 Status: RO Acetate also can eventually change color unevenly -- one of my first 1860's ballgowns was made of purple acetate moire, and it eventually (after 5-8 years) turned pink in the folds of the skirt. I remember this topic coming up on the list , and it seemed the consensus was that acetate just does this, and that there's no way to prevent/repair the damage. Personally, I usually use synthetics because I can't afford silks or wools (most of my costuming is 19th century), although I have worked with silk a few times and it was fabulous. When I can afford it, it'll be natural fibers all the time! - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > Speaking of which... > > Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly > imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real > silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.? > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 22:02:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17097 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC34190012048; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC341lT025209; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBC337lT024907 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:03:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021212030306.72436.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:03:06 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:03:06 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Thanks for the thorough instructions Robin - I can file this away for future reference without even having to ask for clarification! :) Bella --- Robin Netherton wrote: > Very easy. I learned it on this list, I think. I > knocked the socks off my > manager at the shop, because we had no way before > this to differentiate a > pure wool from a wool-and-natural-fiber blend. > > Wool and silk dissolve in bleach. Cotton, rayon, and > linen do not. Do a > burn test first to identify synthetics (hard bead or > plastic residue). If > you have a natural fiber, narrow it down by doing > the following. > > Cut a small swatch -- half an inch square, or larger > if you've got > multiple types of threads (e.g. a stripe or plaid) > so you can get samples > of all the threads in one swatch. Put a little > bleach (maybe 1/2 inch) in > a small jar (like a baby food jar) or a glass/pyrex > custard cup, and add > the swatch. I use a toothpick or plastic spoon to > poke the swatch down to > it's wet through. Leave it for a few hours or > overnight. > > Wool will disappear completely -- the bleach will > look perfectly clear. > Silk will disappear but usually leave a bit of > residue. (Perhaps that's > the seracin?) Cotton, linen, and rayon will remain > intact, though may lose > their color. > > A blend will dissolve in parts. For instance, in a > wool/rayon blend where > each thread is made of multiple fibers, the wool > fibers will dissolve and > you'll end up with a tangled mess of rayon fibers. > If you have a fabric > where whole threads of wool or silk are interwoven > with whole threads of a > non-animal fiber, such as some plaids or checks, you > can get a nice grid > pattern remaining, with empty spots in the > interlacing where the animal > fiber used to be. If one fiber is warp and one is > weft, you'll end up with > a row of the non-animal fibers lined up neatly in > the bottom of the cup. > > It's fun to watch this happening. Wool will fizz > slightly, like when you > put peroxide on a cut. Check on it every little > while and poke it with the > toothpick to break up the fibers if necessary; it > can take a while for the > bleach to penetrate a thick fabric. > > --Robin ===== Lady Bella Lucia da Verona Innilgard, Lochac The Realm of Venus http://au.geocities.com/bella_lucia_da_verona Owner, Courtesan E-mail Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Courtesan http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 22:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17181 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:21:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3Mn9O012749; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:22:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC381lT026625; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC37jlT026459 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:07:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBC3WMaB030604; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:32:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBC3WMUV030602; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:32:22 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212112232.22013.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBC37jlT026459 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:32:22 -0500 Status: RO On Tuesday 10 December 2002 06:37 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: [text cut here] > Certainly there is Medieval latin, which is clearly distinct from > Classical latin, and you will find dictionaries for it which list the > new meanings of classical words, and the new words invented for new > things. I'm not sure that 16th century latin would be seen as a > distinct type, but there are probably scholars who specialise in that > period and are familiar with the "dialect" of the time. However, your > problem is always finding scholars who understand both the latin and the > costume - they may know that pilum means something worn on the head, but > can they distinguish it from other types of hat/cap/veil/hood....? ? I thought a pilum was a type of javelin. http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/pilum.html -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17359 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:06:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC47p9k014979; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3uHlT011059; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:56:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3tplT010847 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-38lc2cb.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.139] helo=pavilion) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MKRx-0001Vy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2a193$2d37eee0$8b0956d1@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021211123930.Y90563-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:00:08 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project > Once those four things are out of the way, I'll be able to work on my > "Tailor's Book" project--creating a tailor's book that may concievably > have been used by a London tailor of the 1580s. It'll have sample garment > patterns from all existing 16th & early 17th c. tailor's books I can get > my hands on, some tailor's patterns back-engineered from garments in > Arnold & elsewhere, a sample apprenticeship contract and customer bill, a > list of where to get what materials at the best prices, a list of costs > for generic tasks and items (hat, stays, etc.), a receipt book & some > IOUs, drawings of various pinking & trim patterns for doublets, a sonnet > on the tailoring trade, the requisite charts for converting fabric widths > & lengths, and whatever else I can think to put in it. Written in > secretary hand on linen paper with oak gall ink with a quill pen. Fun fun > fun! Whee! (God, I am such a research geek. :P) > Oh this sounds very interesting. I have spent the last six months researching and gathering together reproduction 16th century tailoring tools in order to re-create a tailors shop for next season's renaissance faires here in Northern California. A friend and professional period woodworker is making a brass braced ell (English 45inches), some pleat clamps and hangers from Jost Amman and Hans Sachs - The Tailor woodcut, some poking sticks for ironing ruffs and the ruff stand from The Monkeys' apeing fashion engraving. I even managed to pick up a pair of old sheep shears recently on ebay. I am making up price lists, receipts, etc as you have mentioned, too for use at the faire. It will be a shop where fair folk can come and shop. They will see period clothing, fabric swatches, and will be fitted with period technology and will pay period prices. It is a "gig" for me, I will not actually be selling anything to the public. I miss dreadfully the living history that I was apart of when I lived in Australia and my involvement with the Abbey Museum and it's medieval tournament. I view the Renaissance Faires here as very much as Disneyland sort of production overall anyway, but I am hoping to do my part to improve the standards. Australia must be similar to the re-enactment scene Nicole described. More focus on small groups dedicated to a particular time period, less the SCA huge time span activity, although it plays a feature in the re-enactment scene too. My area of interest at the moment is the merchants or clothiers one would have met on Threadneedle St. Although I am not a complete newbie to historical clothing, this hobby is something I began only in the last couple of years and the renaissance time period is completely new to me. So to all of you who have been doing this time period for awhile, I am so grateful for the info you have made available to people like me. I hope to add to this body of knowledge myself in the near future. Cheers! Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17361 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:06:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC47p9i014979; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3uFlT011041; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3tklT010772 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002121203554005100jecdue>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:55:40 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211194517.00a50910@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:45:48 -0800 Status: RO 80's bow butt codpiece? At 02:42 PM 12/11/2002 -0600, Christina L Biles wrote: >2003 (and probably the 10 years following) > >Finish: >*Blue silk cutte & pinked man's mid-sixteenth century German >based on this woodcut: > >The doublet is almost finished, the pants are on the drawing board, the >hat is waiting to see how much is left of the blue silk from the pants to >decide whether it will be blue silk or black velvet. >*Pair of black shoes, cutte & pinked, to match the outfit above >*Cream silk man's late 1570's Elizabethan outfit covered with pearls, gold >beads, and gold passing thread - handsewn >I'm partway through adding the pearls, gold beads, and couched gold >passing thread to the doublet pieces. I have the fabric for the Spanish >sleeves, but I haven't mocked them up yet. I'm still looking for the >black velvet (I want silk, I think I'll settle for rayon/silk blend) for >the cloak & hat. The shirt pieces are waiting for drawnwork & embroidery. > >Not yet started: >*cream/natural embroidered shoes to go with the cream outfit above >*green bliaut type thing for me (think side laced gored kirtle) >*red bliaut type thing as a "surprise" for a friend (Close your eyes. >Take your clothes off. No, keep your eyes closed. Pay no attention to >the dress being pulled over your head. No, I'm not making you anything. >Shut up and keep your eyes closed.) >*black loose gown with bronze kirtle for me >*new smock to go with my Flemish, and an apron >*German Renn outfit (complete with 80's bow butt codpiece) for a friend >*Viking apron dress for a friend >*generic kirtle and surcoat for the same friend >*3-4 new shirts for Ox > >In my wildest dreams: >*retrofit the half -completed Ottoman to my new, more ample figure & >finish the outfit >*black & red line cotehardie for Ox, in wearable mockup for the black and >red silk cotehardie >*turnshoes for Ox & I >*gold-brocaded garters for the cream outfit >*learn to knit to make silk hose > >-Magdalena > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17367 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC47p9g014979; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:08:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3u2lT010932; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3tGlT010651 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16223 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:04:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: <00cf01c2a18a$6d8114d0$befc8218@hopperflop2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:04:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > Acetate also can eventually change color unevenly -- one of my first > 1860's ballgowns was made of purple acetate moire, and it eventually > (after 5-8 years) turned pink in the folds of the skirt. I remember > this topic coming up on the list , and it seemed the consensus was > that acetate just does this, and that there's no way to prevent/repair > the damage. I've found this with acetates I've had stored on shelves or in boxes, even without light exposure. It discolors along the folds and sometimes the selvedges. I don't think it's acid effect from the boxes, or it would discolor everywhere it touched the cardboard. Perhaps something about folding? And the discoloration isn't just fading -- it turns a truly different color. I stay far away from acetate these days. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17500 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4S390015919; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4S1lT020078; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4R9lT019838 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.3a.30f050f1 (4418) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10674 Subject: [h-cost] underwear? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:26:38 EST Status: RO --part1_3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this from Bizarre News. Has anyone else heard of these? Would they itch? I guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I want a pair. Kelly -------------------- Hair Under Where? --------------------- Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set. The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro- cess of creating each pair. One question remains: Are they to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty salon? --part1_3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this from Bizarre News.  Has anyone else heard of these?  Would they itch?  I guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I want a pair.
Kelly
-------------------- Hair Under Where? ---------------------

Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in
underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and
plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of
weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an
extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful
weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out
of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set.
The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro-
cess of creating each pair. One question remains: Are they
to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty salon?

 --part1_3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17562 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:47:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4n590016881; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4n1lT026720; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBC4mJlT026549 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2417 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 04:48:19 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 04:48:19 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-82.sonic.net [209.148.112.82]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBC4mI602869 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:48:18 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF81577.71357AF8@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] underwear? References: <3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:49:59 -0800 Status: RO Would it be indelicate to ask what part of the body they harvested the hair from? Fran M311@aol.com wrote: > I got this from Bizarre News. Has anyone else heard of these? > Would they itch? I guess they would be steardy but I just don't > think I want a pair. > Kelly > -------------------- Hair Under Where? --------------------- > > Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in > underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and > plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of > weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an > extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful > weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out > of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set. > The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro- > cess of creating each pair. One question remains: Are they > to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty salon? > -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 11 23:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17588 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4p290016953; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4p1lT027382; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4oilT027285 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:50:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5C6A03F2; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:51:18 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] underwear? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A167.D1354D70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3a.30f050f1.2b2969fe@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:51:18 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A167.D1354D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking of Hair-shirts, sackcloth and ashes; all medieval implements of penance, If I recall correctly... not the thing for next to the skin wearing!! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of M311@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] underwear? I got this from Bizarre News. Has anyone else heard of these? Would they itch? I guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I want a pair. Kelly -------------------- Hair Under Where? --------------------- Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set. The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro- cess of creating each pair. 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I'm=20 thinking of Hair-shirts, sackcloth and ashes;
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Betsy
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I got this from Bizarre = News.  Has=20 anyone else heard of these?  Would they itch?  I guess they = would be=20 steardy but I just don't think I want a = pair.
Kelly
--------------------=20 Hair Under Where? ---------------------

Lingerie designer Jose = Monino=20 has created a new trend in
underwear fashion. After working with = hair=20 extensions and
plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the = idea of=20
weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an =
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weaving, Monino = has=20 created a matching bra and panty set out
of human hair and is = selling them=20 for over $3,000 per set.
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A167.D1354D70-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 00:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17699 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:04:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC56290017549; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC561lT001761; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe32.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC55XlT001572 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:05:28 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.77] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] underwear? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 05:05:28.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[165710D0:01C2A19C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:08:02 -0500 Status: RO But weren't those made of horse hair? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] underwear? > I'm thinking of Hair-shirts, sackcloth and ashes; > all medieval implements of penance, If I recall correctly... > not the thing for next to the skin wearing!! > Betsy > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of M311@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] underwear? > > > I got this from Bizarre News. Has anyone else heard of these? Would they > itch? I guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I want a pair. > Kelly > -------------------- Hair Under Where? --------------------- > > Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in > underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and > plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of > weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an > extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful > weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out > of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set. > The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro- > cess of creating each pair. One question remains: Are they > to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty salon? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 00:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17826 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5h390019147; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5h1lT011872; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5gUlT011666 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a21.in-tch.com [66.62.107.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBC5QQD10633 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:26:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF821DD.5B818DEB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:42:53 -0700 Status: RO I dunno.... The only acetates I've deliberately purchased were lining fabrics for late-16th c. outfits. And lemmee tell you....about 50% of it just hasn't been worth it! (function of quality, not cost). One bodice has been re-done 3 different times, because the acetate shredded so badly along the seams, and this was *with* the proper seam treatment! I have some silks, but will be using them for different purposes (not lining), so I can't do a direct comparison on usefulness. There are some really good synthetics out there that fool my sense of touch, especially "sueded" fabrics. Don't fool my sense of smell, though! (There's just *something* about the smell of silk or wool....mmmmm....) --sue Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > Speaking of which... > > Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly > imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and real > silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, etc.? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 00:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17872 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:50:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5q190019572; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5q1lT014480; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.128]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5p5lT014183 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:51:00 -0800 Received: from 65.67.60.169 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:51:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.60.169] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 05:51:00.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[73208480:01C2A1A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:51:00 +0000 Status: RO Deredere - What a lovely gown - I especially like the sleeves. One Day (tm) I'll do a gown with that sleeve style... Mary/Katerine >I made a 16th century gown out of synthetic fabric. >The fabric looks a bit like velvet with a very short pool, but at the back >the fabric is a totally different colour. >I used it try out the pattern for my weddingdress. I never ment to wear it, >but I did and got a lot of compliments. >The day that I wore it, it was a very hot day but I didn't had any problems >with it. >Here are pictures of the dress and the fabric >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/16thdress.html > >Greetings, > Deredere > _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 00:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17892 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5s290019659; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5s0lT015017; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f225.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.225]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5rIlT014801 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:53:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:53:13 -0800 Received: from 65.67.60.169 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:53:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.60.169] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 05:53:13.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[C23014A0:01C2A1A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:53:13 +0000 Status: RO I'm not Robin either, but I got some gorgeous lightweight wool for $% a yard here - http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com/home/index.cfm Mary/Katerine >>Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? >I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) > >********************** >Rebecca Schmitt >aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of >Bristol, >BRF FOF > >So many books, so little time > >lotsofteapots@charter.net >********************** > > > > > But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be > > happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar >more > > a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've >found > > wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than >you're > > thinking of paying for this poly. > > > > --Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 01:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17971 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC69390020138; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC691lT019066; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC68llT019012 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:08:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16678 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:17:54 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:17:54 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > I'm not Robin either, but I got some gorgeous lightweight wool for $% > a yard here - > > http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com/home/index.cfm Mary's apparently the one who bought up the teal wool I was agonizing over. And a good thing for me, too, as the last thing I need is more greenish stuff. I look wretched in green. But the wool was SOOO gorgeous. (It's sold out and technically no longer accessible on the site, but you can see it here: ) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 01:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18002 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC6K390020977; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC6K1lT022024; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC6JBlT021805 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA27188 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200212120641.WAA27188@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:41:11 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Kendra Van Cleave" wrote: > > Acetate also can eventually change color unevenly -- one of my first 1860's > ballgowns was made of purple acetate moire, and it eventually (after 5-8 > years) turned pink in the folds of the skirt. I remember this topic coming > up on the list , and it seemed the consensus was that acetate just does > this, and that there's no way to prevent/repair the damage. Agreed. I made some blue acetate sashes a couple years back, and within a year, they had turned from cobalt blue to a sort of blue-grey. We went with raw silk this time around (especially since Faultline chose flaming orange for their sash colors). Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 04:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09955 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:07:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC99590028763; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC990lT003933; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC98QlT003803 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBC98LF04400.; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:08:21 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:08:21 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBC98QlT003803 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:55 +0000 Status: RO Diane S. wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> If the bridge to the next year is the same as the bridge to the new >millennium, whichever year it was, there's not much to worry about. The Millennium Bridge that Stevie referred to is a notorious footbridge opened in London in 2000, but immediately closed because it wobbled too much when walked upon. I believe it has since been altered and re-opened. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 04:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19157 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9F390028886; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9F1lT005179; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9EqlT005117 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBC9EqF04728.; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:52 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBC9EqlT005117 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:26 +0000 Status: RO Cathy wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> However, your problem is always finding scholars who understand both >>the latin and the costume - they may know that pilum means something >>worn on the head, but can they distinguish it from other types of >>hat/cap/veil/hood....? >? I thought a pilum was a type of javelin. A quick check of my colleague's Latin dictionary gives pilum=spear, pilleus=cap. Maybe they were spelling it differently by the 16th century. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 04:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29355 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:22:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9O290029062; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9O1lT007091; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC9NqlT007030 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:23:21 -0800 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:23:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 09:23:21.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D32DAA0:01C2A1C0] Subject: [h-cost] coifs and hemp. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:23:21 +0000 Status: RO Thankyou for the info on medieval latin Jean. I think I'm going to have to try and find a teacher as I've now come up against 17th century court records in latin. I don't even know much classical latin! I've just finished reading an article about the Linen industry in East Anglia and discovered that linen can be made from hemp,( forgive me if I'm teaching my Nana to suck eggs!) infact they say that a lot of people grew just a small ammount for their own use (fabrics of course;-0). And of course towns such as Hemel Hempstead were named from locally grown hemp. I had come across hempen cloth in records, wills and inventories but had thought it meant cloth used for sacks etc. but according to this article hemp was used, as flax was, to make all grades of cloth. I wonder about hemps dyeing properties? Perhaps it was easier to dye with hemp? And goodness knows how many items in inventories are hempen rather than flaxen. I had a quick look at some of my inventories thinking perhaps that flaxen fabric was reffered to as 'linen' but I found a few examples of flaxen linen. My gut reaction is that hempen cloth was possibly used by those people lower down the social scale? I came across this site last night and I've ordered some samples. The fabric looks lovely. I can't wait to see the samples. http://www.hemptraders.com/ Does anyone have more information? regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 05:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29854 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCAx490003449; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCAx1lT026710; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCAwFlT026519 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-6-26.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.6.26] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18MR2j-0001kf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:58:13 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c2a1cd$ebb265a0$1a0624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Cheep Trims offer Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:02:11 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, http://www.cheeptrims.com/ Cheeptrims are offering 10% discount for online sales only; the code HLTDA should be entered in the checkout. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 09:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30643 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE7590009276; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE72lT011385; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE6ElT011088 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a245.in-tch.com [66.62.107.45]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBCDoAD20507 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:50:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF897ED.343F350A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project References: <20021211123930.Y90563-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:06:37 -0700 Status: RO Uh, Drea....I think you win the award for most complicated single project! That tailor's book sounds completely cool! I assume you've figured in time to eat, sleep, work??? --Maire, who's got her own (moderate-length) list because she needs new clothes, and who wants to be a research geek when she grows up .... Drea Leed wrote: > > > Once those four things are out of the way, I'll be able to work on my > "Tailor's Book" project--creating a tailor's book that may concievably > have been used by a London tailor of the 1580s. It'll have sample garment > patterns from all existing 16th & early 17th c. tailor's books I can get > my hands on, some tailor's patterns back-engineered from garments in > Arnold & elsewhere, a sample apprenticeship contract and customer bill, a > list of where to get what materials at the best prices, a list of costs > for generic tasks and items (hat, stays, etc.), a receipt book & some > IOUs, drawings of various pinking & trim patterns for doublets, a sonnet > on the tailoring trade, the requisite charts for converting fabric widths > & lengths, and whatever else I can think to put in it. Written in > secretary hand on linen paper with oak gall ink with a quill pen. Fun fun > fun! Whee! (God, I am such a research geek. :P) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 09:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30835 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCEkI90011320; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCEk6lT023862; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:46:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBCEjElT023560 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 91208 invoked by uid 1005); 12 Dec 2002 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.076358 secs); 12 Dec 2002 14:45:09 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.076358 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 14:45:09 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 project In-Reply-To: <000001c2a193$2d37eee0$8b0956d1@pavilion> Message-ID: <20021212093804.I8407-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:45:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What a wonderful chance! I've always wanted to set up my own tailor's shop display. Tell me, aside from the ruler found on the Mary Rose and the ell stick on the cover of Alcega, have you found any sources for measuring sticks? Did you base it on the reproduction at the Globe theatre? Have you ever experimented with parchment measuring strips and drafting patterns from them? What particular year or decade are you re-enacting? This whole tailor's book idea came from a similar idea for a presentation, where I would set up a tailor's shop and talk with my "apprentice" about the various aspects of the tailoring trade, and then invite one of the audience up to be a "customer." I thought it would be exceptionally cool to get a copy of Alcega rebound in 16th c. bindings. Then I thought It'd be even cooler to write a book myself....and I was doomed... Would your friend ever consider making some of those pleat clamps to sell? That would be something I'd really love to have. Seriously. And Ditto poking sticks. And brass-bound ell sticks. Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 09:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30863 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:52:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCEq590011576; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCEq3lT025675; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from listserv.okstate.edu (listserv.okstate.edu [139.78.100.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCEpJlT025400 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:51:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from osu-ns09.cis.okstate.edu by listserv.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.122C7AE9@listserv.okstate.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 8:51:15 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "Christina L Biles" Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns09/Okstate(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/12/2002 08:51:15, Serialize complete at 12/12/2002 08:51:15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:51:15 -0600 Status: RO >>80's bow butt codpiece? There is a style of German Renn codpieces where the codpiece is slashed in a couple of places on either side and fabric is pulled through. In the more extreme cases, huge swags of fabric are pulled through, looking rather like a gigantic bow - one that reminds me of the 80's fashion of evening dresses with huge bows on the back of the dress (just what I needed - a bigger rear). -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 10:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31028 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:19:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFJ290013333; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFJ1SD005950; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFIFSD005656 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.115] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A7744AC011C; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:12:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c2a1f2$1b027a60$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A1C8.1835B7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:20:29 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A1C8.1835B7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a subject that I have been meaning to bring up so I guess this = is the time, as it seems to be the topic of the hour. = I was just in the winter closet and in my = finds was a burnout velvet that I made up several; years ago. It was = black to begin with and now the velvet is becoming a deep burgundy = purple color. I thought it was tending that way when I put it away last = spring. Another dress (historical: worn by a Governor's wife to FDR's = 4th inaugural ball) has gone from a nice slate grey to pink. It is rayon = crepe, with the most interesting beading with a spiderweb motif in large = size on the back and front from bust to hem done in grey-silver lined = glass and steel beads. It was stunning, alas. I will keep it of course = and use it to illustrate the fragility of color ,and of course, the = beading design. = Have any of the rest of you noted what is = happening to the bonded fabrics that were the new thing in the = 1960-1980's? The foam beneath the tricot has a shelf life and turns to = powder. Beware of metallic and wools that were treated in this manner. = Through the years I have been picking up fashion items that I thought = would be indicative of certain periods of the Twentieth Century for my = collection, in part because there are so many new fabrics that have been = discovered or developed in this period. = When I look at clothing from the first half of the = century, particularly the teens and twenties, I am much aware of the = different grades of silk used for linings or outer fabrics. Even here = the designers were looking for new uses that hadn't been thought of or = were trying to cut cost by using a cheaper grade of silk (wool, linen = cotton) If you notice the beautiful chiffon's and velvets of the = 20-30's, you encounter most of the time the "real thing". 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A1C8.1835B7E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 11:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31363 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:46:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGl890020197; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:47:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGl1SD018801; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGkjSD018623 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mail.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.195]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBCGklD21003 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 3 costume books at once, e-bay/COMPARE! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:46:30 -0500 Status: RO >> "3 COSTUME HISTORY BOOKS-ONE PRICE-WOW! Item # 1904267608" >> >> It says: "Here are three classics of costume history: 20,000 YEARS OF >> FASHION by Boucher, >From bookfinder.com: 26 copies, ranging from 12.95 (poor) to 75.00 (first ed.) >>HISTORY OF COSTUME by Blanche Payne 28 copies, ranging from 14.5 (poor) to 100.00 (first ed.) >>and THE BOOK OF >> COSTUME by Mila Davenport" >From abebooks.com: 41 copies, ranging from 41.00- 161.00 (first) Jessamyn (I can't STAND the way an e-bay auction can jack up prices!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 11:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31370 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGn090020320; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGn0SD019979; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCGmESD019474 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:48:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp176.directcon.net [209.76.47.176]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBCGm5CW032045; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:48:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021211122349.050c5440@mail.frys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:52:07 -0800 Status: RO Oh, heavens. The projects for the next year: Professional: Produce the Elizabehtan Comfort Package (kirtle and loose gown) and scale down the Lady's and Gentleman'n patterns to create the Elizabethan Girl and the Elizabethan Boy. Do a second edition of the Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe, this time incorporating intructions for using the patterns to create lower class costume. Work with Drea to create the 16th Century Flemish Market Woman's package. Look for additional capital to make all of the above possible (any potential investors out there, feel free to contact me!) Personal: Make myself a kirtle and loose gown, fitted for wear without a corset since a medical problem which excludes my wearing one tends to flare up unexpectedly. Make several different middle classish bodice and skirt combinations with various sleeves, foreparts, etc, and various accessories which will be suitable for SCA camping, and for teaching and lecturing when I don't want the costume to distract from what I'm saying. Also, make an 1870's bustle dress, prefereably in garnet taffeta, which will make me look like I run the best House in town. Family: Make Wayne a new Elizabethan noble's suit, and a long gown to go over it, trimmed with mink. Make Wayne the washed rayon swashbuckler's shirt I've been promising him for three years. Make Jamie a new Elizabethan suit, and new tiger pajamas. Make Robbie an Elizabethan suit, with lots of gold and jewels (his request). Perform surgery on a stuffed tiger to remove the no longer functioning tickle/giggle mechanism, which hurts so much when one hits one's brother with said tiger. Home: Use the 45 yards of brocade I got at a thrift store for $20 to make a canopy and curtains for our bed. Costume related: Completely re-vamp the One Tough Costumer website, adding illustrations. Work up syllabus for, and teach, a workshop on "Beyond Home Sewing: Costume Techniques from History, Theater, and Industry". Go on the lecture/workshop circuit with this one and the "Quenching the Wench" lecture. Act as Costume Mistress and Children's Activities advisor for a Renaissance Faire. Yikes! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 13:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31683 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:11:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCI3390027983; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCI3192003974; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCI2H92003539 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:02:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021212174905.QVFS2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:49:05 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric swatch books Message-ID: <3DF8CC17.9968.CB9592A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:49:11 -0000 Status: RO On 10 Dec 2002 at 0:22, Janet Davis wrote: > When I clicked on the link to Amazon, I recognized the cover right > off. Last summer at Pennsic, Poison Pen Press, who merchants with me > and 2 other booksellers in the Booksellers Row tent, was carrying > that. I recalled that she had more copies than she wanted at the end > of Pennsic, so I e-mailed her. > > She has that series - the silk book lists for $35, the wool book for > $45 and the cotton book for $40 (only 1 copy of the cotton book > remains). She is willing to offer them at a reduced price to the list > members - $5 off the list price and free shipping. She now has no copies of the cotton book, and one less of the wool book, because they are moving slowly in my direction. Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 13:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31700 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCIEJ90028968; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCIEC92010516; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:14:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCIDw92010342 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from straight [216.42.67.62] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.12) id A1E337C40126; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401c2a20c$317edc60$3e432ad8@infoblvd.net> From: "STRAIGHT " To: References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> <002201c29fe3$71a18ac0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:11:01 -0500 Status: RO I have several pair of pinking shears. Fiskars pinking Kleencut----don't remember where they came from, but they seem to be decent quality Wiss-----both pinking and scalloping--the best quality Wiss used to be the market standard for fabric shears, made in Switzerland as I recall. Fiskars seemed to have forced them off the market somehow, are they Danish? But I think Wiss may still be in business. I also have a pair of really good shears made by Singer, mmm, 70's I guess. My husband sharpened at least 2 pr. of pointed pinking shears for me, and I think I took a pair to the store and had them done one time also. You can get them. They cost a little more than straight shears, but they'll last a lifetime. Longer, in fact, I have my mother's shears too. Major improvement on the hammer and chisel deal, believe me, although that still is the way to go on leather or very heavy materials. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 13:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31883 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCIS690000422; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCIS192018119; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBCIRJ92017697 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWkLJcVhLTA7kepISSPJ88Qm+E+jeAfa0lg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKUNZWMJ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:26:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Message-ID: <20021212.132437.-559257.6.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:24:16 -0500 Status: RO Margo, please let me know when the Elizabethan Comfort Package is available. I love your E Ladie's wardrobe and would like to have something reasonably comfortable to wear. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 14:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32103 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJ9A90003979; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJ9192010576; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJ8992010113 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from RECEPTION.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.82]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gBCJ88x22053 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021212110548.023d28d8@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Dress detail : pinking In-Reply-To: <01b401c2a20c$317edc60$3e432ad8@infoblvd.net> References: <197.11e48065.2b262987@aol.com> <3DF4DEEC.1EC0BE79@lavoltapress.com> <002f01c29fcb$89c287c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <3DF5136E.F5A0BD@lavoltapress.com> <002201c29fe3$71a18ac0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_183273765==.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:08:03 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_183273765==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed They are still in business. I got my last pair of scallop shears in LA at Vechialliri (sp?) . Someone in the garment industry will hopefully know the correct spelling and contact info for them. At 01:11 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I have several pair of pinking shears. > Wiss-----both pinking and scalloping--the best quality > Wiss used to be the market standard for fabric shears, made in >Switzerland as I recall. Fiskars seemed to have forced them off the market >somehow, are they Danish? But I think Wiss may still be in business. >Diane S. Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_183273765==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
They are still in business. I got my last pair of scallop shears in LA at Vechialliri (sp?) . Someone in the garment industry will hopefully know the correct spelling and contact info for them.

At 01:11 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
I have several pair of pinking shears.
       Wiss-----both pinking and scalloping--the best quality
        Wiss used to be the market standard for fabric shears, made in
Switzerland as I recall.  Fiskars seemed to have forced them off the market
somehow, are they Danish?  But I think Wiss may still be in business.
Diane S.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis
--=====================_183273765==.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 12 21:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01658 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:08:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD29190004550; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD291Jj005648; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD28bJj005445 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:08:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.103]) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 8447263 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:08:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DF902C6.E8DD297D@2xtreme.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> <3DF902C6.E8DD297D@2xtreme.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:08:32 -0500 Status: RO At 1:42 PM -0800 12/12/02, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: >New Renn Faire Costumes - >White Damask Noble, trimmed in blue for me (As soon as Margo gets the >pattern done) >New green wench costume for Heidi (I try, really I do!), >A red velvet long gown for Raymond, (he is walking so it's out of lower >class into noble, his Mom can play wet nurse.) >Add more trim and beads to Dizzy's Green Man Costume >Start work on the Holly King and the Oak King for Dizzy (Can't tell he >likes the Green Man) Oooo! I'd LOVE to see pics of the Green Man outfits! They sound so intriguing! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 08:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15361 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDDH790026229; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDDH1Jj026178; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDDGIJj026009 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.210.215.222.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([63.210.215.222] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Mpfq-000310-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:16:16 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212073426.039c3248@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: next year's projects Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:16:07 -0500 Status: RO A bit late, but I've spent the last couple of weeks trying to catch up on mail that backlogged during a week-long business trip followed by the Thanksgiving week/end... I have a list a mile long, but don't think I'm likely to get to more than the first couple of items. Highest on the priority list are: garbly: --------- fit/cut/sew 1 mid-Elizabethan, middle-class, "from the skin out" for Frank (waiting for Margo's pattern to arrive... and yes, Margo, I can wait 'til the new Gregorian year) fit/cut/sew 1 mid-Elizabethan gown, middle-class, not sure specifics on style yet, for me prewash un-prewashed stash items; photograph and log in existing MSAccess database; update database with "final dispositions" of stash fabrics used and not yet logged out (can you tell I work mundanely in a library-related field?) mundanely: ---------------- sew black wool blouse (already cut out from Butterick 3417, not sure if/how it will fit), needing me to create sleeve stays for it to have the correct look draft/cut/smock/sew fluid black wool blouse with hand-smocked yoke and front gathering cut/sew fluid skirt and slacks to match above blouses draft/fit/cut/sew a customized business-suit-style vest that will hold all Frank's electronic gadgets and not collapse under the weight of them Then as time permits: garbly: --------- fit/cut/sew 2-3 partlets for me, not sure of styles yet repair my red linen Elizabethan and see if I can take it in enough to wear; if not, find a good home for it backsmock my hand-smocked Burnham camicia to bring in the neckline a bit; alternatively, re-pleat and re-smock said neckline fit/cut/sew middle-class Tudors (circa 1530) for both Frank and myself fit/cut/sew possible second set of Elizabethans cut/sew 2-3 new smocks for me, varying styles; any smocking done by hand and based on period portraiture design/fit/cut/sew something turn-of-the-16th-Century, possibly revisiting that same Venetian dress that I've already made twice and worn only to photograph (long story)... mundanely: -------------- fit/cut/sew a business suit for Frank fit/cut/sew custom-fit chinos for both of us (at least 1 pair each) I'll probably tackle some of the mundane and alteration projects first, since I'm expecting the fitting targets for the garb to continue to move downward as the new year progresses. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 15:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17953 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:35:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKZ290012855; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKZ11P023013; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKYp1P022892 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:33:36 -0800 Received: from 24.247.24.41 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:33:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.247.24.41] From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 20:33:36.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[E94F47A0:01C2A2E6] Subject: [h-cost] brown polished cotton Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:35 -0500 Status: RO Better late than never... Brown polished cotton is available at Needle & Thread in Gettysburg, PA (USA). They do not have a website, but will do mail order. Their phone number is (717)334-4011. I believe it runs in the range of $8/yard. They are very lovely people to deal with. Hope this can be of help to some. Now returning to lurkdom Kelly (Thinking of the 20 yards of brown polished cotton I purchased in Chicago for $2/yard several years ago and have been carefully allocating for "worthy" projects) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 19:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19075 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0l390000678; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0l11P024742; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB7FwvkG012231 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (unknown [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8698A17131 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18KhM0-0004IL-00 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:58:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favorite Designers In-Reply-To: <00b301c29dc4$8f541b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <004c01c29d99$86cf87e0$665183d1@rmitchellras> <00b301c29dc4$8f541b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:58:56 -0500 Status: RO I first subscribed to this mailing list in the mid-1990s, and although I was on it for about a year I didn't find it very useful. I was fairly focussed on wanting information about Elizabethan clothing, and I was put off by the amount of stuff that just didn't apply to me. Eventually I unsubscribed. In early 2001, I resubscribed. By this time, I was more confident in the area of costuming I was doing for myself, and knew where to find specialised resources on the subject. I was able to relax and enjoy the range of topics covered here. I've loved all kinds of costumes, especially the "big skirts" periods (Tudor through Edwardian, excluding Regency), since I dug through costuming books in the school library in 6th grade, and here I get to see a lot of that! Thank you all for posting information about your projects and your sources. It's great to see what other people are up to, and to peruse the pictures of original costumes that are posted. Now I just have to find excuses for making some post-1600 stuff! On another note, the "flame" thing: I don't find this list very flame-heavy, but there are often heated discussions. What's the difference? Well, to me a "heated discussion" happens when people disagree and are trying to communicate their viewpoints and explain why they disagree with each other. A flame war, on the other hand, is when it degenerates into name-calling and mud-slinging, without anything useful being added to the discussion. I've never seen this list go there. As someone who's been using the Internet for many years, and who participates in many technical forums, I'm used to the rough-and-tumble atmosphere and can usually hold my own in a flamewar. But I think there's something to be said for the theory (and it's not my theory, it's someone else's, but I can't remember what article it was that i was reading) that mailing lists with a majority of female members have a very different dynamic to those with mostly male members. Let's face it, most of us women are taught to be less assertive and to avoid confrontation. That could be why some people interpret our heated discussions as flamewars, and may be unwilling to expose themselves to that kind of heat. Yours, Kirrily (SCA: Katherine Rowberd) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 19:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19079 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mK90000737; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mK1P025182; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (mta4-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB8I2arL009584 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.12.159]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021208180234.MEKJ29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:02:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200212052205.OAA19337@gw.retro.com> Message-Id: <098CB719-0ADF-11D7-9DF5-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:58:28 +0000 Status: RO > Unfortunately, the victorians _loved_ color combinations that we would > consider hideous. Absolutely correct. > I saw a very similar dress made up in violet and fuschia. > It was horrible, but very, very period. Somewhere, I have a book that a > writer from the period bemoans english women's lack of taste in colors. Seems to have been more universal that merely English taste when you get to see examples from other countries. > Since all the photos we have from the period are black and white, we > sometimes > forget what colors were actually used. Very true.I've often wondered how much we the viewers superimpose our own colour tastes when looking at those black and white photos? > I've seen plenty of dresses from > that period that combine colors like brown and blue and purple all in > the > same dress. Ditto.You shudder at some of the combinations and wonder just who would be able to look good in those colours. > I agree the roses are too bright, they'd probably be a more > realistic color. However, the big pattern companies do their designs > with > availability of trims in mind. You _can_ find better roses, but you > have > to hunt a bit. The pity with this as in most quality products is that price tag shows it unless you're very lucky. > > One other oddity of victorian ballgowns is that often the flowers in > the hair > were artificial, but the flowers on the gown might be real. The exact > opposite of what we'd do. Yes its was a peculiarity of the period. > They also liked doing things like combining lace > and fur trims in a manner that we'd find hideous. Indeed.The first time I found a fashion plate and portrait with this combination it took me a while to get used to it.Very odd. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 19:48:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19083 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mU90000779; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mT1P025257; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC4BNlT015623 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-38lc2cb.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.139] helo=pavilion) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MKh0-0001Qh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:11:22 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c2a195$61b8df60$8b0956d1@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2A152.3ADF5420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-ELNK-Trace: 9c05c41117f01b301aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7944dee003d5f2fe3e55d073b0158ac21e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: [h-cost] Everyone's projects Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:16:46 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2A152.3ADF5420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is very interesting to hear of everyone's projects or ideas for the = next year. I think it should encourage those new at this hobby who = might feel that there are so many experts here that there is no place = left for them to shine. The possibilites, projects and areas to = research areas are simply endless. Lisa Sinervo ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2A152.3ADF5420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is very interesting to hear of = everyone's=20 projects or ideas for the next year.  I think it should encourage = those new=20 at this hobby who might feel that there are so many experts here that = there is=20 no place left for them to shine.  The possibilites, projects and = areas to=20 research areas are simply endless.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2A152.3ADF5420-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 19:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19087 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mQ90000759; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mQ1P025214; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from valhalla.ee.rochester.edu (root@valhalla.ee.rochester.edu [128.151.160.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBAEUOeZ015579 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.151.160.82] (csb421mac1.ee.rochester.edu [128.151.160.82]) by valhalla.ee.rochester.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04245; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:30:23 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: RuthAnn Williams Cc: williams@valhalla.ee.rochester.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] 4th Cent. bishop's pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:30:23 -0500 Status: RO Hi! I am coming out of the lurking mode to ask the list for help. Up to now I have not been able to find a pattern. I am looking for a fairly good pattern for a bishop's costume particularly for the 4th century or a pattern that could be adapted. Thanks in advance for your help, Ruth Williams Rochester, NY williams@ece.rochester.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 19:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19091 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0ma90000794; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE0mZ1P025296; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCDXElT002529 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [62.252.180.114] ([62.252.180.105]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021212133312.ZLBR9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[62.252.180.114]> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:33:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bo.persson@pop.ntlworld.com Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: "bo.persson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re:1861evening gown (Julie: 12 Oct) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:32:47 +0000 Status: RO Hi, I have been member of this list for some months but too busy to write. 12th of October Julie had a question about a ballgown (?) and accessories in Pattern of Fashion part 2. I guess you are talking about the one worn by Ms Wyatt? The gown is in Platt Hall in Manchester. I went up to look at it after a student at Copenhagen Cutter's Academy had made a copy of it some years ago. I am sure the museum would be delighted if they could help you. Bo Historian Textiles and Dress _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 21:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19525 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2n390004996; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2n01P000560; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2me1P000468 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.197.47] (tnt-1-111.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.47]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBE2md004056; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:48:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 4th Cent. bishop's pattern Cc: williams@valhalla.ee.rochester.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:44:28 -0800 Status: RO At 9:30 AM -0500 12/10/02, RuthAnn Williams wrote: >Hi! > >I am coming out of the lurking mode to ask the list for help. Up to >now I have not been able to find a pattern. I am looking for a >fairly good pattern for a bishop's costume particularly for the 4th >century or a pattern that could be adapted. Speaking in wildly vast generalizations, from what I've been able to research, in the 4th century Christian vestments had not yet significantly diverged from ordinary "formal wear", and are likely to have been more diverse across Christendom than they later became as things got more formalized and regularized. So I suspect that, at the period you're interested in, the geographic location will be fairly significant. (For the practicalities of patterns, you're probably going to be in luck, as we're still talking about relatively geometric structures.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 13 23:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19815 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE4YQ90008394; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:34:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE4X01P026878; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE4WL1P026696 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:32:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-6-192.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.192] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18N3yN-00003j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c2a32a$9e29f920$c00677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021212093804.I8407-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailor's Shop Project Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:33:55 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" > > What a wonderful chance! I've always wanted to set up my own tailor's > shop display. Yes, it is a wonderful opportunity. I happened to meet some folks in a small and new guild that portray university students too poor to have their own university so they meet in the Lazy Fox Tavern. Very nice people, but that is not what I wanted to do. But they happen to have a fabulous two story wooden structure for their inn. It had an unused side which is being turned into my tailor's shop. It is the beginning of a town square. Tell me, aside from the ruler found on the Mary Rose and > the ell stick on the cover of Alcega, have you found any sources for > measuring sticks? Did you base it on the reproduction at the Globe > theatre? I based the ell on the Alcega drawning, The woodcut from from Geometria y tracia, by diego de Freyle, 1588, and Jost Amman & Hans Sachs - The Tailor woodcut - 1568. The descriptions by and quoted by Janet Arnold in her patterns of Fashion book, pg 124 were also incorporated. Included here for those on the list "The ell is generally marked on a wooden ruler one inch wide and half an inch thick. It is divided on both sides of its length, on one side into four quarters, the last quarter into two eights, the last eighth into two sixteenths. On the opposite side it is divided into thirds, the last third into two sixths and the last sixth into two twelfths. The divisions are usually marked with golden nails. Both sides are edged with iron or copper to keep it permanently true." I also did some general internet searches on the history of measurement. Have you ever experimented with parchment measuring strips and > drafting patterns from them? No, but I am about to as soon as my ell arrives. It is my intention to make custom fitted patterns at the fair using parchment strips, an ell, a compass, a pencil and brown paper or perhaps cheap linen. I will measure my customer with the parchment strips and make the pattern on the spot with period technology. I am going to practice on the dress form that I just ordered from Hancock fabrics when it went on sale over thanksgiving. Will probably try out a few of Alecega's patterns as I will have that rebound and will be using it too. I plan to make them up, waxing the edges so they don't fray, etc.......they will be in the shop on display. I am also going to make a merchant's outfit for myself, but I am going to try out Margo's patterns for that to see what the rage is all about. What particular year or decade are you re-enacting? I originally thought I would do whatever time period the fair organizers proclaimed the fair to be. But as I want to have my services priced accurately to the time period, I have decided that initially I need to pick one time and stick to it. I am researching the best year to choose when ruffs, blackwork and lace were all seen, even if in various heights of popularity. Probably around your time period. Ironing a ruff with poking sticks would be a real crowd pleaser I think. So long as the fair organizers allow me to heat up some coal. I thought it would be exceptionally cool > to get a copy of Alcega rebound in 16th c. bindings. Then I thought It'd > be even cooler to write a book myself....and I was doomed... I think your book will be very successful. I have had a very encouraging response from the few people I have so far shared my idea with. It would be great to see more "merchants" and people involved in period industry at the fair. If you put out a book, tailors shops might show up all over. They would be a great addition to any fair. The other positive angle to this is if you haven't finished a garment in time to wear it to fair, it can still be a prop, a garment in progress. I intend to have all stages of clothing in the shop. Fabric, works in progress, and garments ready to be collected. > > Would your friend ever consider making some of those pleat clamps to sell? > That would be something I'd really love to have. Seriously. And Ditto > poking sticks. And brass-bound ell sticks. Yes of course! My friend Julian Daniels is a professional period woodworker. That is how he earns his living. He makes period furnature for movies, museums, re-enactors and collectors. The next movie with Brad Pitt and Kate Blanchett, title undecided, has Brad Pitt sitting in one of his chairs. It is great to work with him, because he is a re-enactor himself and understands what re-enactors want. He also makes chopine blanks and wonderful hinged pattens. His web site is http://merchants-medieval.com/cockerel/ > > Thanks, > > Drea > You are very welcome. Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 04:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26479 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE9E490015937; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE9E01P000349; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE9DS1P000215 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:13:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A63785560288; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:13:27 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A638119A0088; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:13:28 -0600 Message-ID: <00c501c2a350$bef2f5a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:11:10 -0500 Status: RO Okay, I pieced two images together and now you can see a full view of the second quilt block I made. http://www.costumegallery.com/Quilt/block2.jpg Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 11:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00681 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:23:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGO290026987; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGO0V3025111; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGN7V3024880 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBEG71D01310 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:07:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DFB5B04.381BC67D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View References: <00c501c2a350$bef2f5a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001b01c2a382$ff5dab80$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:23:32 -0700 Status: RO Penny, I must have missed your initial post on this, but the quilt block lools wonderfully exotic! *Somebody's* going to be really lucky! --sue, who'd love to make another quilt one of these days!;o) > > To: "h-costume" > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:11 AM > Subject: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View > > > Okay, I pieced two images together and now you can see a full view of the > > second quilt block I made. http://www.costumegallery.com/Quilt/block2.jpg > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 11:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00712 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:29:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGU190027232; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGU1V3026456; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGTjV3026358 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.47]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H740035HB3NBT@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.46]) by asv8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBEGS8q04477 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H74003TFB3CLR@mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:28:25 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred In-reply-to: <200212132021.gBDKLdBF010283@jabberwock.wonderland.com> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200212132021.gBDKLdBF010283@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: [h-cost] Leather (a second time) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:26:57 -0500 Status: RO I didn't see my post from yesterday so I'm trying this again. My daughter has decided to wear my leather skirt to the dance tonight, but its wrinkled after being folded in the drawer for a while, How do I press it? Linda K-S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 11:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00780 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGn190028306; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGn0V3001447; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEGmPV3001333 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:48:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp246.directcon.net [206.170.184.246] (may be forged)) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBEGm4CW002729; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:48:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021214085129.0084c5e0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leather (a second time) In-Reply-To: References: <200212132021.gBDKLdBF010283@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <200212132021.gBDKLdBF010283@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:51:29 -0800 Status: RO At 11:26 AM 12/14/2002 -0500, Linda Krecker-Schkred wrote: >I didn't see my post from yesterday so I'm trying this again. My >daughter has decided to wear my leather skirt to the dance tonight, >but its wrinkled after being folded in the drawer for a while, How do >I press it? With a dry iron, using a press cloth, on a medium to high setting. If that doesn't do the job, try using steam, on the back of the leather if possible. If the hems or seam allowances are glued, the heat of the iron may cause them to come unstuck. They can be glued back in place with ordinary rubber cement or with contact cement. Dyed leather isn't always color fast, so you might want to put an old towel on your ironing board. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 16:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02147 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:56:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBELv190010462; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBELv1V3015628; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBELuqV3015605 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A923B48901E2; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:56:51 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A923E5D00F4; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:56:51 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c2a3bb$bca90300$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00c501c2a350$bef2f5a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001b01c2a382$ff5dab80$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> <3DFB5B04.381BC67D@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:57:03 -0500 Status: RO Sue, I am thinking about teaching a beginners class on how to make this quilt. It is really easy, all you have to do is to be able to sew straight lines and love to do jigsaw puzzles. When I made the second block, I scanned each step, in case I do the class. In the 80s, I gave private sewing lessons and really loved it. If I was making this years ago, I would have went into my perfectist (sp) mode and made sure all the bamboo trellis matched up. But since my back went bad, I am just happy to be able to stitch the blocks. I used to love the challenge of matching up directional prints. If I was making it for competition I would nit-pick on it more. But I know Andy would never even notice. So why kill myself. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 20:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02981 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF1LB90018202; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:21:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF1L0V3000188; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF1JxV3029869 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-227-139.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.227.139]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBF1IN1D024449; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:18:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3E9B48D8.7AA0B8C5@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com" , "cynaguanewbies@yahoogroups.com" , "DanegeldTor@yahoogroups.com" , "GoldenRivers@yahoogroups.com" , "GSACG@yahoogroups.com" , "h-costume@indra.com" , "ICG-D@yahoogroups.com" , "SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Day - Last Notice!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:48:41 -0700 Status: RO Hello all The shire of Danegeld Tor will be hosting a Stitch and Bitch for everyone needing to work on costumes for 12th Night or for any other reason on Dec 15th from 10 AM to 6 PM. It will be held in the community hall at the Arden Library, directions are below. There are plenty of tables to cut out on, and plugs everywhere for your machines and irons. I will have my books there, patterns, and fabric for sale. If you are interested in selling your spare fabric bring it along for our sale table. I will also have Vintage Clothes and some large used costumes for Sale for those who are interested So mark your calendars, this will be your chance to sew without interruptions. Danegeld Tor will be providing Mulled Cider, and cookies. If you want to bring some thing for everyone to munch on please feel free. Directions: >From the East, take Hwy-50 or I-80 West to the Watt Ave. exit. >From the West, take Hwy-50 or I-80 East to the Watt Ave. Exit. >From Hwy-50 take Watt Ave. North, past Fair Oaks Blvd., to Northrop Ave. >From I-80 take Watt Ave. South, past Arden Blvd. to Northrop Ave. The Arden-Dimick Library is on the corner of Watt Ave. and Northrop Ave. >From the North or South take I-5 or Hyw-99 to either Hyw-50 or I-80 and then follow the instructions above. Lord Vich - Stephen Bergdahl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 14 22:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03441 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF3N290021774; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF3N0V3024622; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBF3M9V3024461 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:22:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10596 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:22:06 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021210184501.22116.35342.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: rayon as artificial silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:19:19 -0500 Status: RO Ann wrote: > Rayon was, I believe, first marketed as artificial silk because the inventors > reasoned that, if silk worms ate mulberry leaves and extruded a fiber, humans > could do something similar. Ugh! I don't think I'd want to spin THAT, much less wear it!!! :-) Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 10:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06844 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:05:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFEt690008201; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFEt1V3027212; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBFEsGV3027096 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:54:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:54:16 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:54:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Just to liven the place up a bit - I know, I am silent too, most untypical for me, but we are off to Germany for a couple of weeks after watching The Two Towers on Wednesday (only to watch TTT on Thursday again in germany *BG*) and there's still a lot to organise beforehand. here some of the Barbie doll historical costume pix that people made, I love them! Beware, the photos are BIG: Elizabethan: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-elizabethan.jpg Gone with the Wind: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-gonewiththewind.jpg Medieval: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-medieval.jpg Victorian: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-victorian.jpg Enjoy! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 11:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11237 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:42:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGh290011502; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGh1V3019531; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGg8V3019319 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7600C3O6DVU7@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:41:57 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] High-end wools X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213104123.00a9a8a8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:41:46 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday, 12 Dec 2002 14:31:14 -0600 (CST), Robin Netherton wrote: >I lately stumbled on a trade source (New York) of some really >lovely-looking wool fabric. It's out of my price range, but if anyone is >doing high-end reproductions or museum work and needs the perfect >color/weave, you might find it here: >http://www.grabiewoolen.com/ Oooohhhhh...... aaaaahhhhhhh..... pretty...... and within a 20-min. bus or bicycle ride from Mom's place in Queens. (And to think I never knew they were there...) >I inquired specifically about twill weaves in worsteds. The owner's son >replied that they have these 2x2 twills in 100% Australian merino worsted >wool: Gabardine, Flannel, Satin Gabardine, Cavalry, Twill and Satin Twill. >Prices are $25.00 - $27.50 per yard for cut pieces (2 to 85 yards) ***2-yard*** and up cut pieces? <*eyes brighten; ears perk up*> >Obviously not for the casual costumer, but anyone with a high-end client >might want to bookmark this. These are very reasonable prices for things >like wool satin. Costumes, my @$$!!!!! I want some of that wool satin for next winter's mundane "holiday party" ensemble (read "winter season semi-formal") -- you don't want to know how many times I've frozen my (expletive deleted) off in those (expletives deleted) skimpy synthetic things that are passed off as winter (expletive deleted) evening wear! Lessee... a nice tuxedo jacket in black wool twill, faced with wool satin; matching tuxedo pants; tuxedo-tailored short skirt (black); tailored long skirt in wool satin (black) with matching camisole; belled long skirt (color) with matching bodice and matching camisole; fitted tuxedo vest (black); fitted tuxedo vest (color)... I'm only beginning to scratch the possibilities here! OK, seriously, I just need the tuxedo jacket with the pants, the two black skirts, a shorter jacket (can't remember the technical name; it's sort-of weskit styled?), and a camisole or a vest to hold me for *at least* another decade (barring unforeseen major changes in weight...) And then top the whole thing off with an evening cloak... lined in wool satin???? *grrr* Dom Perignon tastes, tap-water budget. At least I won't have to pay shipping. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 11:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11277 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGr190011802; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGr0V3021526; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.kc.rr.com (fe7.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.162.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFGqbV3021456 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis ([65.26.140.179]) by mail7.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:47:09 -0600 From: "Talia" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:56:12 -0600 Status: RO These are beautiful! Are they for sale? They'd make fabulous holiday gifts. T. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 8:54 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Just to liven the place up a bit - I know, I am silent too, most untypical for me, but we are off to Germany for a couple of weeks after watching The Two Towers on Wednesday (only to watch TTT on Thursday again in germany *BG*) and there's still a lot to organise beforehand. here some of the Barbie doll historical costume pix that people made, I love them! Beware, the photos are BIG: Elizabethan: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-elizabethan.jpg Gone with the Wind: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-gonewiththewind.jpg Medieval: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-medieval.jpg Victorian: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-victorian.jpg Enjoy! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 12:01:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11304 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:01:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFH2290012038; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFH21V3023374; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBFH14V3023198 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:01:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021215170104.9681.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:01:04 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:01:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Talia wrote: > These are beautiful! Are they for sale? They'd make fabulous holiday gifts. No, sorry I forgot to say that they are from the Burda pattern mag for Barbie costumes, that is out of print, but I thought the list would enjoy the costumes. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 13:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11717 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIT190014763; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIT1V3012122; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFISaV3012055 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBFISYfQ027822 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:28:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212151828.gBFISYfQ027822@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "leigh tartaglio" at Dec 15, 2002 01:31:59 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:28:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO http://www.sfherb.com/ > > Hi. You can try San Francisco Herb Company. I believe they are online, > although I don't have their address to hand. We have gotten cream of tartar > and madder root from them, as well as a number of other cooking and herbal > items. They sell in large volumes and I think they have a 100 dollar minimum > order. You can get a hardcopy catalog, too. Good Luck, Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 13:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11722 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIU190014831; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIU0V3012333; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFITSV3012226 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBFITSrp012225 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:28 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Message-ID: <20021215182928.GB13804@net.indra.com> References: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:28 -0700 Status: RO These are all Barbies that were for sale commercially in the last few years. I own these two: > Elizabethan: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-elizabethan.jpg > > Medieval: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-medieval.jpg I also own the Napoleonic one, which isn't pictured in this group. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 13:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11753 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:35:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIa190015068; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIa0V3013729; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIZPV3013618 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBFIZPs7013616 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:35:25 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Message-ID: <20021215183524.GC13804@net.indra.com> References: <20021215170104.9681.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021215170104.9681.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:35:24 -0700 Status: RO > --- Talia wrote: > These are beautiful! Are they for sale? > They'd make fabulous holiday gifts. You can find them on EBay for $15-$50 US. Do a search for "Barbie Great Eras". Here's the Napoleonic one I mentioned: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944611523 ..eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 13:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11779 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIh290015346; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIh1V3015552; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBFIgEV3015356 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:42:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021215184214.24644.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:42:14 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021215182928.GB13804@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: > These are all Barbies that were for sale commercially in the last few > years. I own these two: Ahh! Thanks for the info, the mag didn't actually give this info, and that would have been rather helpful. Anyway, I bet you enjoy your lovely Barbies. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 14:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12086 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:36:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJb290017558; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJb0V3028424; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJaeV3028344 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:36:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fad.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.173]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 47FA65EED28 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:36:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c2a471$c8695080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:40:11 +0100 Status: RO Hi Nicole. These are lovely, i mostly like the bustle dress, and the elizabethan one :-) I am planning to make a late Elizabethan one in the new year with a drum shaped farthingale, open ruff and lovely cuffs. I was so lucky to get my hands on some paper clay the other day, it is available here in Denmark. I want to make a fashion doll with a cloth body, and i think i want to make it ½ a time bigger than Barbie, and then i can make a real period shaped body, cause i model the body myself. If they only had made Barbie with a corseted body, i would have made some dresses years and years ago, but it looks so silly with these breasts. (sorry ladies, no offence) Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos > Just to liven the place up a bit - I know, I am silent too, most untypical for > me, but we are off to Germany for a couple of weeks after watching The Two > Towers on Wednesday (only to watch TTT on Thursday again in germany *BG*) and > there's still a lot to organise beforehand. > > here some of the Barbie doll historical costume pix that people made, I love > them! Beware, the photos are BIG: > > Elizabethan: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-elizabethan.jpg > > Gone with the Wind: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-gonewiththewind.jpg > > Medieval: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-medieval.jpg > > Victorian: > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/barbie-victorian.jpg > > Enjoy! > Nicole > > > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 15:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12251 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFK7190018935; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFK70V3006150; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBFK6YV3006052 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:06:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021215200634.25660.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:06:34 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001601c2a471$c8695080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > If they only had made Barbie with a corseted body, i would have made some > dresses years and years ago, but it looks so silly with these breasts. > (sorry ladies, no offence) *laughs* Oh Bjarne, how can anyone not love you to bits! ... and I SO agree. :-) says she the so-so transgendered one. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 15:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12376 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:33:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKY190020104; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKY1V3012182; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKX6V3011948 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:33:01 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.115 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:33:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.115] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 20:33:01.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[29A80330:01C2A479] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:33:01 +0000 Status: RO No offense taken! My first thought when looking at the Elizabethan Barbie was "if only they could do something about those breasts..." :) Mary/Katerine >If they only had made Barbie with a corseted body, i would have made some >dresses years and years ago, but it looks so silly with these breasts. >(sorry ladies, no offence) > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 21:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14043 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:51:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG2p990004745; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:51:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG2p0Ct007018; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBG2ojCt006968 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3253 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 02:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.226) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 02:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3DFD3F77.B6C0F01A@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos References: <20021215170104.9681.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:50:31 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > --- Talia wrote: > These are beautiful! Are they for sale? > They'd make fabulous holiday gifts. > > No, sorry I forgot to say that they are from the Burda pattern mag for Barbie > costumes, that is out of print, but I thought the list would enjoy the > costumes. > > Nicole > They make me wish I was Barbie. Beautiful! Did you make the gowns? Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 15 22:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14289 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3p290007220; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3p0Ct021188; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3oECt021012 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from p357-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.103] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18NmGi-0000sg-00; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:50:12 +1300 Message-ID: <003101c2a4b6$3b444c10$67c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:50:09 +1300 Status: RO > Just to liven the place up a bit - I know, I am silent too, most untypical for > me, but we are off to Germany for a couple of weeks after watching The Two > Towers on Wednesday (only to watch TTT on Thursday again in germany *BG*) and > there's still a lot to organise beforehand. Speaking of TTT and dolls.. I just purchased the Eowyn doll;) Very interesting doll under all the clothes.. yes I did take a look:P Nice to have a doll not frozen in limbs.. but.. well her bosom would put barbie to shame;) I am planning on redressing her as the costume pulls her shoulders out and makes her look like some American football player;) The face sculpt I do like though. She actually looks like the Eowyn described as being cold and fair. Now the other dolls are another matter;) Poor Liv Tyler is all I can say.... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 08:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28658 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGE0790026118; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGE01Ct000343; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGDxoCt000275 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 71851 invoked by uid 1005); 16 Dec 2002 13:59:46 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.086739 secs); 16 Dec 2002 13:59:46 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.086739 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:59:46 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021216085508.B3177-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:59:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Just thought I'd forward this on: I found a website for a woodworker that makes the basic wooden forms for chopines! They're not in the catalog, but there's a photo of some in his gallery. http://merchants-medieval.com/cockerel/ Enjoy, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 09:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29018 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:29:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEU290027376; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEU1S3009626; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGETWS3009494 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:29:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021216142932.21863.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:29:32 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:29:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Oh my goodness, Bjarne, those photios are HUGE, wonderful, gorgeous, gobsmacking! *goes to download and drool* Must ahve book... must have book... *zombie-like* Thanks so much for sending the link. Nicole --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th > to 18th century. > They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. > Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes > Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another one i > must have!!! > There are wonderfull pictures here: > http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 09:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29135 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:40:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEd190027674; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEd0S3011991; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEcAS3011597 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBGEcAUv011595 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:38:10 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Message-ID: <20021216143810.GD24118@net.indra.com> References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:38:10 -0700 Status: RO How funny! I just bought the perfect fabric to re-create the pants in #5, and it cost me $1/yd! I actually bought it with baby clothes in mind because it looks like it's hand-crocheted. Too bad my husband's persona is Chinese ... ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 09:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29139 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEfL9G027764; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:41:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEW0S3010147; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEVRS3009990 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18NwHG-0006Wf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:31:26 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Message-ID: <000701c2a50f$d7fdc460$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021216085508.B3177-100000@shell.siscom.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:31:37 -0700 Status: RO That is sooooo cool. My friend Nola made some herself and I have been coveting them for awhile. My challenge was shaping the wood! Now I have no excuse-I guess I will have to add that to the 2003 list. Thanks Drea! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 10:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29515 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGF5190028975; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGF50S3019839; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGF4vS3019793 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:04:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpntvJdMWxbSdWvbWj4efMo1B5ziffFXuA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HK6L2MEX; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:04:12 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Message-ID: <20021216.084805.-241363335.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:48:04 -0600 Status: RO Hey, once you do the conversion from Aussie dollars, the prices are quite reasonable! Now I just need to find out what shipping to the States would cost. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 12:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30808 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:45:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHj590014410; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHj3S3012424; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHiFS3011949 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:44:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-225-18.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.225.18]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBGHgb1D024515 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3DFEB798.48CBC3C6@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <20021216143810.GD24118@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:35:20 -0800 Status: RO Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > > Too bad my husband's persona is Chinese ... > > ...eliz Forgive me Eliz, but my first thought when I read that was, "Well that can be changed, either the persona or the husband." Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 16:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32111 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGL7390008926; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGL71S3012005; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGL6mS3011881 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7800B5ZDBBW4@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7800IK0DBBNH@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-80-195-62.gv.shawcable.net [24.80.195.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H78001DIDBB0U@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:06:47 -0700 (MST) From: kris In-reply-to: <20021216142932.21863.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: ionization@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021216130445.00b2ae58@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:06:49 -0800 Status: RO This is strange.. be warned, it IS a huge picture :] On the left breast of the outfit, there is an opening that seems to go from the middle upper chest towards the side back waist. What's this for? Has anyone ever seen anything like it? Thanks, kris > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > > There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th > > to 18th century. > > They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. > > Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes > > Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another > one i > > must have!!! > > There are wonderfull pictures here: > > http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 18:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00904 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGNeB90022145; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGNe1S3005242; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGNdNS3004925 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.215]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 110D15EE460 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:39:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c2a55c$5a661910$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.2.0.9.0.20021216130445.00b2ae58@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:39:18 +0100 Status: RO Hi Kris. It is very unusual you are right. It is because it has a non symetrical opening. It is not clotsed at the center front but in the left side. Perhaps it was because they did not want to spoil the beautifull embroidered pattern with buttons and bottonholes. I just ran trough a catalog i have og Gustavs clothes, and all of them had a center front clotsing. The suits in Norah Waughs Cut of mens clothes has center front clothings two, so it is quite rare. I was very surprised how beautifull blue wool looks with gold embroidery. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "kris" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) > This is strange.. be warned, it IS a huge picture :] > > > On the left breast of the outfit, there is an opening that seems to go from > the middle upper chest towards the side back waist. What's this for? Has > anyone ever seen anything like it? > > Thanks, > kris > > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > > > There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th > > > to 18th century. > > > They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. > > > Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes > > > Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another > > one i > > > must have!!! > > > There are wonderfull pictures here: > > > http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 21:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01574 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH2B590001525; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH2B0hA003044; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH2AOhA002851 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-10-37.smf.jps.net ([216.119.10.37] helo=pavilion) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18O7Bf-0000jO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c2a572$55dd0c80$250a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021216.084805.-241363335.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <007001c2a52f$ecc9f6a0$1c7d4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:38 -0800 Status: RO > How much were they ? I never found the price > > Mel I believe Julian sells the chopine blanks for $50 or $60 (AUS) a pair plus shipping. It is probably 1/2 that in US dollars, but I haven't been keeping up with exchange rates lately. Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 16 21:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01668 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:40:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH2g290003046; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH2g0hA012216; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.birch.net (sierra.birch.net [216.212.0.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJKRS3006873 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3411 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 19:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kheim) ([65.16.242.6]) (envelope-sender ) by mailserver.birch.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Dec 2002 19:20:25 -0000 From: "Karen Heim" To: Message-ID: <000001c2a538$3ecbf220$c196010a@birch.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:23:22 -0600 Status: RO Could you repost that link? I deleted it when I didn't mean to; I planned to send it to some friends. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 04:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14017 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:26:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9S290017718; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9S0Iv001152; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9RrIv001103 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:27:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.200]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H79001GHBMGF8@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] tan glazed cotton, for lining In-reply-to: <20021211.151458.-241363335.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021217002500.050201f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:26:05 -0800 Status: RO >You might try looking under their cotton sateens. They seem to have >several colors which might do, although none are actually tan. Thank you, but I don't want sateen. I want glazed cotton. I'll keep looking. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 04:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14023 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:27:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9SO90017735; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9SJIv001257; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9RrIv001107 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:27:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.200]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H79001GHBMGF8@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-reply-to: <00cf01c2a18a$6d8114d0$befc8218@hopperflop2> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021217002641.05020d20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:30:24 -0800 Status: RO >Personally, I usually use synthetics because I can't afford silks or wools >(most of my costuming is 19th century), although I have worked with silk a >few times and it was fabulous. When I can afford it, it'll be natural >fibers all the time! I find cheap wool or silk, cotton or linen, or I don't sew. I suffer from heat while wearing cotton or linen, in the summer in California. I find wearing synthetics very much like wearing a plastic trash bag - I faint from the heat. I don't really like falling down - it's inelegant, and gets the dress dirty. Sometimes I hurt myself in the fall. The money I saved wasn't worth it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 04:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14027 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:27:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9ST90017752; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9SSIv001305; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:28:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH9RsIv001117 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:27:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.200]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H79001GHBMGF8@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm In-reply-to: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021217010107.05021bb0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:02:14 -0800 Status: RO >There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th >to 18th century. >They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. >Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes >Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another one i >must have!!! >There are wonderfull pictures here: >http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm So nice to see a clear image of the knitted pluderhosen. I can even count the stitches. but I bet my mother won't knit me one just like it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 08:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15834 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:30:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHDW590024111; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHDW1Iv021643; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHDVPIv021493 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBHDVEF23063.; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:31:14 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:31:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBHDVPIv021493 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:30:36 +0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: >It is very unusual you are right. It is because it has a non symetrical >opening. It is not clotsed at the center front but in the left side. >Perhaps it was because they did not want to spoil the beautifull embroidered >pattern with buttons and bottonholes. No, I've never seen an early 17c doublet with a side closure either. Perhaps a new style invented for King Gustav Adolf that didn't catch on? What fantastic pictures! I hadn't discovered the enlarged versions at first either. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 09:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16194 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:27:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHET390026402; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHET0Iv006363; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f79.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.79]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHESAIv006066 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:26:53 -0800 Received: from 204.22.6.152 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:26:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.22.6.152] From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 14:26:53.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[5845BEC0:01C2A5D8] Subject: [h-cost] digests 1584-1586 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:26:52 -0500 Status: RO I'm also missing those digests, was there an email hiccup somewhere? I've also tried posting a source of brown polished cotton twice, I've not seen it post however. Kelly _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 10:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17349 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:53:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHFqb90001849; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHFq2Iv007383; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHFpGIv006867 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBHFpE11015312 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Folks, I know a lot of us use Ebay and Paypal (to buy fabric and costumes and other accessories -- how's that for marginal topical content?). Please remember to change your password frequently, and keep an eye on the account. My hubby just sent me this from Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/08/21/0821hatesites_3.html Someone on rec.woodworking had their bank account wiped out because someone hacked their Paypal account, transferred money from the bank account to Paypal and then within Paypal to another Paypal account, which was then withdrawn and closed. (Of course, people get their regular bank or credit card accounts hacked all the time, but it seems one has fewer remedies when dealing with Paypal than when dealing with one's credit card company.) I just changed my password, and am considering closing the account after a few payments I've made recently are cleared. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 12:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22451 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:52:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHHrO90012566; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHHr1vF013467; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHHpxvF012962 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip227.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.227]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBHHptq03975 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor mens question Message-ID: <3DFEEE86.19631.64E83105@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3DFF5682.5060705@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:29:42 -0800 Status: RO > What did the men wear under the doublet, skirted jerkin combo... Was > it simply a pair of hosen, with the padded codpiece attached to them? > Or what did the codpiece attach to? I am referring to the size of > codpiece you see in the Henry VIII pictures. Although they wore hose, they also wore breeches beneath the skirted jerkin. At first these were quite small (as can be seen in some of the pictures where they are not wearing anything but a shirt and hose or doublet and the like) but then they grew long enough that you can actually see them peaking out from beneath the skirts. (You need something a bit more substantial than hose to attach those codpieces as they are no longer just a little flap.) An example of this is the Portrait of a Man in Red. It is in both the general and 16th C specific versions of _Visual History of Costume_ as well as in the Tudor volume of the Costumes of the Western World. (Those are the first ones I think of, but there are probably others as well.) > Is Norris a reliable source for this one? Norris, the person who edited out all the codpieces from all of his drawings of Tudor men in his book? No. Men's clothes of this time period doesn't get as much exposure as do the women's clothing. There is no Jean Hunnisett or the like for this early Tudor clothes. However, CW and Philis Cunnington's _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth Century_ would probably be much more helpful to you. They describe the layers of clothing worn in these clothes and, albeit in redrawings, show examples. (Some of them you can find the original portrait/drawing for comparison, some are taken from obscure churches and the like, some of which may have been bombed out during WWII. However, at least they credit where the drawing was taken.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 22:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29325 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:02:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI30A90001082; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI300A6010559; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI2x2A6010233 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m146.in-tch.com [216.166.191.146]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBI2gqj21629 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:42:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DFFE490.AF059EC8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:59:28 -0700 Status: RO Hi, gang. Do any of you Italian-knowledgable types (yo! Bella!) know what part of Italy this style of dress would have come from? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 It's a bit hard to see in this link, but she's wearing a striped shift--the stripes being black monochrome embroidery in a linear pattern. I'm thinking of doing a dress in this style, or a related one, to go with the blackwork shift I've been working on for mumblety-mumble years now. The pattern I'm using for my shift is similar to, but not the same as, the one in the portrait. I have seen a few other examples of women wearing shifts with embroidered stripes, but they're (so far) all earlier or later than this particular portrait. Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress looks too small. Also, I'm thinking that the fabric is some sort of heavy, silk satin? With a brocade undergown/underskirt? (hmmmm....maybe, a darker color would work) And what *is* that weird ruffle/collar around her neck? Has anyone ever seen anything else like that? I'm assuming it's some sort of collar for the transparent partlet-thing she's wearing..... --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 22:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29406 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:20:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3M290002223; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3M1A6017633; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3L3A6017260 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <2002121803205800200efiq9e>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: <00d601c2a644$f6ad1380$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: References: <3DFFE490.AF059EC8@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:23:38 -0600 Status: RO Moretto da Brescia [Italian High Renaissance Painter, 1498-1554] . Also known as: Alessandro Bonvicino Alessandro Moretto Italian painter (Brescia 1498 c. - 1554). Brought up in the same environment as Savoldo and Romanino, with whom he worked in Brescia, he painted numerous altar-pieces. While his colours reveal a personal interpretation of Venetian tonality, his religious subjects and portraits express a sense of everyday reality that is typical of Lombard tradition. I would say that it is either Venician or Genoan as those were the two places he is best known to have been during his artistic endevors (bio of his life off any encyclopedia). :) It also strikingly looks like the dress they made for the movie Queen Margo. Perhaps the costumer was inspired by this for the lead actress' dress. Very nice! Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes Not all ermine spots are created equally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress > Hi, gang. > Do any of you Italian-knowledgable types (yo! Bella!) know what part of > Italy this style of dress would have come from? > > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 > > It's a bit hard to see in this link, but she's wearing a striped > shift--the stripes being black monochrome embroidery in a linear > pattern. I'm thinking of doing a dress in this style, or a related one, > to go with the blackwork shift I've been working on for mumblety-mumble > years now. The pattern I'm using for my shift is similar to, but not > the same as, the one in the portrait. > I have seen a few other examples of women wearing shifts with > embroidered stripes, but they're (so far) all earlier or later than this > particular portrait. > Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really > unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress > looks too small. > Also, I'm thinking that the fabric is some sort of heavy, silk satin? > With a brocade undergown/underskirt? (hmmmm....maybe, a darker color > would work) > And what *is* that weird ruffle/collar around her neck? Has anyone ever > seen anything else like that? I'm assuming it's some sort of collar for > the transparent partlet-thing she's wearing..... > --sue > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 22:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29410 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3N090002277; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3N0A6017911; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3M7A6017658 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil3192.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.138.192]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI3MAd5007154 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFFEB09.FEB72681@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! References: <20021216085508.B3177-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:27:05 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Nice stuff. I see they copied the Eskilstuna field bed. I have a variant that I made some years ago, minus the testers. I'm surprised the person isn't doing patten blanks also. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 23:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29744 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4L290004981; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4L1A6005686; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4KjA6005606 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil3192.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.138.192]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4Kld5023917 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFFF8C4.15886A5C@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:25:40 -0500 Status: RO Hi. This side closure is seen in some illustrations from the first quarter of the 17th Cent. There is a fellow in the background of the Sebastian Vrancx painting "An Allegory of Autumn", dated 1620, wearing a variant of this doublet. I have seen others, but I can't remember where offhand (Something in my mind says French, but I can't recall). It was a short-lived fashion, and may have had some Eastern European association. Mike T. PS I have color slides of this and other GA doublets from the Royal Armouries, but have never figured out how to make them into anything useful. Any ideas? MJT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 23:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29834 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4X290005535; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4X1A6009063; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4WVA6008919 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:32:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.8.112] (helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OVsd-0002am-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:32:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c2a64f$57c2b300$700877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <20021216085508.B3177-100000@shell.siscom.net> <3DFFEB09.FEB72681@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:37:26 -0800 Status: RO Julian does patten blanks too. I think they are listed somewhere but not illustrated. I have a nifty pair of his that has a leather hinge on the ball of the foot after the pair illustrated in the book Daily Life in Chaucers England, and they are actually very comfortable. Made of oak with period looking nails. I added my own embossed leather straps, but he offers that option too. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "leigh tartaglio" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! > Hi. Nice stuff. I see they copied the Eskilstuna field bed. I have a variant > that I made some years ago, minus the testers. I'm surprised the person isn't > doing patten blanks also. Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 23:37:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29852 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4d290005830; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4d1A6011046; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4c0A6010631 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.8.112] (helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OVy3-00013j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:37:59 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c2a650$22690e60$700877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:43:53 -0800 Status: RO Oh, maybe the pattens were $60 and chopines $75.... I think I'm confused now. LS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! > Julian does patten blanks too. I think they are listed somewhere but not > illustrated. I have a nifty pair of his that has a leather hinge on the > ball of the foot after the pair illustrated in the book Daily Life in > Chaucers England, and they are actually very comfortable. Made of oak with > period looking nails. I added my own embossed leather straps, but he offers > that option too. > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leigh tartaglio" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! > > > > Hi. Nice stuff. I see they copied the Eskilstuna field bed. I have a > variant > > that I made some years ago, minus the testers. I'm surprised the person > isn't > > doing patten blanks also. Mike T. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 17 23:43:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29879 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:43:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4j690006198; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4j5A6012998; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI4ijA6012881 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd6mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.218]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7A00IA6T3XLQ@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7A00GTMT3XW4@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-80-195-62.gv.shawcable.net [24.80.195.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7A003Z4T3W03@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:43:09 -0700 (MST) From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) In-reply-to: <3DFFF8C4.15886A5C@dandy.net> X-Sender: ionization@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021217204238.00b4c038@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:43:10 -0800 Status: RO At 11:25 PM 17/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi. This side closure is seen in some illustrations from the first quarter >of the 17th Cent. There is a fellow in the background of the Sebastian >Vrancx painting "An Allegory of Autumn", dated 1620, wearing a variant of >this doublet. I have seen others, but I can't remember where offhand >(Something in my mind says French, but I can't recall). It was a >short-lived fashion, and may have had some Eastern European association. >Mike T. >PS I have color slides of this and other GA doublets from the Royal >Armouries, but have never figured out how to make them into anything useful. >Any ideas? MJT Do you know of a copy of that online anywhere? I've searched google and the Web Gallery of Art and come up with nothing. Thanks, kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 00:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30040 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI5G290007449; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI5G1A6021914; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI5FiA6021794 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:15:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m80.in-tch.com [216.166.191.80]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBI4xYj18973 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:59:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E000499.E10611FE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress References: <3DFFE490.AF059EC8@in-tch.com> <00d601c2a644$f6ad1380$31baee0c@c59303a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:16:09 -0700 Status: RO *blink, blink* movie about Queen Margo? ISTR that for some (currently unknown) reason, I'd thought of it as Venetian, but it really doesn't look much like the Venetian stuff I've seen on Bella's website. From your notes on the artist, it does look like maybe it's more northern-Italian? Do I have my Italian peninsula geography even vaguely correct? Plus, there's that little extra "skirt" thing at the top of the skirt--I'm thinking that's a fold of the skirt, kinda like the pleating you see on end-of-the-century gowns, rather than some sort of peplum or skirting that's more part of the bodice. I *think* I've seen this before, although not commonly. The painting that's vaguely coming to mind is that one where the dress is made of yellow and green fabrics, sewn together in lengthwise stripes of varying widths..... Thanks for the input! --sue chiara wrote: > > Moretto da Brescia > [Italian High Renaissance Painter, 1498-1554] > > . Also known as: Alessandro Bonvicino > Alessandro Moretto > Italian painter (Brescia 1498 c. - 1554). > Brought up in the same environment as Savoldo and Romanino, with whom he > worked in Brescia, he painted numerous altar-pieces. While his colours > reveal a personal interpretation of Venetian tonality, his religious > subjects and portraits express a sense of everyday reality that is typical > of Lombard tradition. > I would say that it is either Venician or Genoan as those were the two > places he is best known to have been during his artistic endevors (bio of > his life off any encyclopedia). :) > > It also strikingly looks like the dress they made for the movie Queen Margo. > Perhaps the costumer was inspired by this for the lead actress' dress. Very > nice! > > Sincerely, > Chiara > Ansteorra, Steppes > Not all ermine spots are created equally > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress > > > Hi, gang. > > Do any of you Italian-knowledgable types (yo! Bella!) know what part of > > Italy this style of dress would have come from? > > > > > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 > > > > It's a bit hard to see in this link, but she's wearing a striped > > shift--the stripes being black monochrome embroidery in a linear > > pattern. I'm thinking of doing a dress in this style, or a related one, > > to go with the blackwork shift I've been working on for mumblety-mumble > > years now. The pattern I'm using for my shift is similar to, but not > > the same as, the one in the portrait. > > I have seen a few other examples of women wearing shifts with > > embroidered stripes, but they're (so far) all earlier or later than this > > particular portrait. > > Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really > > unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress > > looks too small. > > Also, I'm thinking that the fabric is some sort of heavy, silk satin? > > With a brocade undergown/underskirt? (hmmmm....maybe, a darker color > > would work) > > And what *is* that weird ruffle/collar around her neck? Has anyone ever > > seen anything else like that? I'm assuming it's some sort of collar for > > the transparent partlet-thing she's wearing..... > > --sue > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 01:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30290 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI70890010837; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI703A6019841; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBI6xUA6019693 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:59:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12705 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 07:59:27 +0100 Received: from st02-175.dialin.iskon.hr (HELO jkale.public.srce.hr) (213.202.67.176) by mail.iskon.hr with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 07:59:27 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20021218080708.00ac7ad0@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: "Costume Understructures" Call for Papers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:09:29 +0100 Status: RO >Costume Society of America, Region I > > > >Understructures: Shaping the Body, Fashioning the Person > > > >Saturday, April 5, 2003 > >Old Sturbridge Village, Sturbridge, MA > > > >Proposals are invited from a broad range of research areas, including the >disciplines of art history, history, material culture, psychology, and >sociology, and underwear that shapes the body from ancient times to the >present day. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2002 12:56:46.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3BD530:01C2A694] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:56:46 +0000 Status: RO I priced the chopines just before Crown, June, and they were over $100 Aust. $150 seems familiar to me, but I'm not 100% on that. But email him and ask him yourself and find out what is involved in ordering a pair. I understand he needs a tracing of your feet. I friend of mine was his first chopine customer and loves hers. She is currently making lace to trim them. No I have to save up for my pair. Cheers Deb (Oonagh) >From: "Lisa Sinervo" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:38 -0800 > > > > How much were they ? I never found the price > > > > Mel > > >I believe Julian sells the chopine blanks for $50 or $60 (AUS) a pair plus >shipping. It is probably 1/2 that in US dollars, but I haven't been >keeping >up with exchange rates lately. > >Lisa > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costum _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 12:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13872 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:15:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIHH990003729; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:17:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIHH0lC020599; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21303.mail.yahoo.com (web21303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBIHGmlC020466 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:16:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021218171647.78615.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.59.9] by web21303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:16:47 PST From: kate Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E000499.E10611FE@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: *snip* > I *think* I've seen this before, although not > commonly. The painting that's vaguely coming to > mind is that one where the dress is made of yellow > and green fabrics, sewn together in lengthwise > stripes of varying widths..... That would in the painting by Lorenzo Lotto, "Portrait of a Lady as Lucretia" (name varies depending on which source you're looking at). It's circa 1533. It has 116 separate pieces... http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 15:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15403 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIKX490020716; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIKX1uZ010187; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIKWMuZ009858 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:32:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H7C11P00.CYX for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:32:13 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.2 ([203.54.114.2]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/26597723); 19 Dec 2002 06:32:07 Message-ID: <3E01CAE9.C7075C69@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress References: <20021218171647.78615.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 05:34:34 -0800 Status: RO kate wrote: > That would in the painting by Lorenzo Lotto, "Portrait > of a Lady as Lucretia" (name varies depending on which > source you're looking at). It's circa 1533. > > It has 116 separate pieces... > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > Wow, cool dress. It's particularly interesting the way the lower puff on the sleeve is stretched out by her bending her elbow - it doesn't look like there's a seam separating that and the lower sleeve at all. And her hat looks like it's made of macaroni.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 17:58:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16163 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIN0690003227; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIN03uZ028788; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMxQuZ028390 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:59:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2002121822592005200q6r69e>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:59:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2a6e9$19865520$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:59:20 -0800 Status: RO These are probably too late (as in period-wise), but the Musee d'Orsay sells some beautiful reproduction jewelry based on paintings in their collection. They have a couple of pearl drop earrings. http://www.shop.musee-orsay.fr/EN/gamme.asp?gamme%5Fid=5 - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 19:11:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16496 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0Co9k008255; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ013if028986; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ007if028498 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.96] (pm4-096.eos.net [205.133.149.96]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26487 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:00:04 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021218174701.8782.68223.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: italian gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:57:22 -0500 Status: RO on 12/18/02 12:47 PM sue wrote: > Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really > unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress > looks too small. Sue: I think that on anyone this would be an unattractive style. The woman looks like she's wearing overstuffed upholstery. IMHO, of course! :-) Perhaps some more knowledgeable person could comment on this, but it seems to me that the puffiness of the gown is more of a painterly, idealized version of the style, which seems to be a craze for lots of soft puffy things. I would think that you could tone it down a bit and still be in the realm of reality. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 19:27:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16543 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0T690009196; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0T1if010553; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0Sfif010402 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:28:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0U4PN015805 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:30:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3E01132D.8030205@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> <001001c2a6e9$19865520$befc8218@hopperflop2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:30:37 -0800 Status: RO Kendra- Wonderful museum site, thanks for sharing!!! They have exhibition catalogues for Chardin and Georges de la Tour!!! Oh, veddy bad for pocketbook!!! Some really nice jewels for 19c as well. Oh, dear!! Theresa Eacker Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > These are probably too late (as in period-wise), but the Musee d'Orsay sells > some beautiful reproduction jewelry based on paintings in their collection. > They have a couple of pearl drop earrings. > > http://www.shop.musee-orsay.fr/EN/gamme.asp?gamme%5Fid=5 > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 19:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16588 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:39:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0f290009929; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0f1if015163; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJ0eEif014905 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-120-92-133.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.120.92.133 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:40:14 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c2a6f7$b3e66930$855c7843@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:43:52 -0800 Status: RO If you have allowed paypal access to your checking account, this may be a problem, although I doubt it happens much. E-trade is generally pretty safe. I did however, refuse that sort of access when I signed up with paypal, primarily because at the time there was no number to call if something went wrong. With a total lack of customer service, I have not permitted access to any of my checking accounts. That sort of access is not something I'd probably ever give permission for anyway, as credit cards are a better means of paying strangers, and there is almost always recourse if it's on a credit card. I don't know if they still allow it, it's called an "unverified" account, (as though I'm a bad bad person!) ;) they obviously prefer full access to your checking account, but that ain't gonna happen in my lifetime. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: "Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > Folks, I know a lot of us use Ebay and Paypal (to buy fabric and costumes > and other accessories -- how's that for marginal topical content?). > > Please remember to change your password frequently, and keep an eye on the > account. My hubby just sent me this from Forbes: > http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/08/21/0821hatesites_3.html > > Someone on rec.woodworking had their bank account wiped out because > someone hacked their Paypal account, transferred money from the bank > account to Paypal and then within Paypal to another Paypal account, which > was then withdrawn and closed. (Of course, people get their regular bank > or credit card accounts hacked all the time, but it seems one has fewer > remedies when dealing with Paypal than when dealing with one's credit card > company.) > > I just changed my password, and am considering closing the account after a > few payments I've made recently are cleared. > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 20:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16830 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ1x190013544; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ1x0if010539; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ1wRif010368 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:58:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip195.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.195]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBJ1wKe14397 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:21 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown Message-ID: <3E00B152.27755.6BC95F56@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <20021218174701.8782.68223.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:33:06 -0800 Status: RO Gail wrote: > Perhaps some more knowledgeable person could comment on this, but it > seems to me that the puffiness of the gown is more of a painterly, > idealized version of the style, which seems to be a craze for lots of > soft puffy things. I would think that you could tone it down a bit and > still be in the realm of reality. While I would also probably tone it down, it is more because of my modern sensibilities. I agree completely that the Italians especially had a "craze ofr lots of soft puffy things" but that included full- figured women. Even undresses (a la Ruben), the ladies tended to be larger than we think is ok for people now adays. But this is probably no 16 year old. She was a *woman* not a girl and will not have a stick figure. (Yet she is not morbidly obese, unlike Lady Dacre from England from about the same period within 20 years.) Nor is this lady stuffed into her dress to overflowing. If you look at her decollatage, her breasts are not coming over the top. They are not even pushing her chemise edge forward. She's just wearing a heavily furred dress, which makes her look bigger than she really is. But then, in that time it was a popular look. The sleeves, for example, are not uncommon in that time and in fact persisted quite some time. They show up in Alcega ("Learned Man's Robe" 1589) as well as the Milanese tailor's album (c1570) as you can see in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620. I've made this particular sleeve (albeit *never* in pumpkin and olive colors) on several occasions. One hint I can give you is that you need to line the sleeves so that the lining is a straight sleeve which does not follow the puff. Otherwise the puff is difficult to maintain without a lot of constant preening (which is so *not* my style). If you fur line it, as the Lotto painting shows, it will give that "stuffed" look to the arms (like what we see in our own clothes which we wear for cold weater sometimes.) My first one was made of wool and almost has that look without even the lining (although I made it in proportion to the c1570 gown from the Milanese tailor's album.) The fur would make the puffed part stand out even more. Another thing that I've always noted about this portrait is the short skirt of the bodice over the longer skirt. I'd seen descriptions of the peplum on the dresses of that time, but this is the only one I've actually found pictured. I strongly suspect that Lotto painted this dress exactly as it appeared on the woman. It's just not a look we're particularly used to. (However, I have a friend who would look spectacular in this dress just as it is, including the colors used.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 22:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17136 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ3b590018043; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ3b0if010236; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ3aqif010169 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:36:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20884 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:29 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown In-Reply-To: <3E00B152.27755.6BC95F56@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:29 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > Another thing that I've always noted about this portrait is the short > skirt of the bodice over the longer skirt. I'd seen descriptions of > the peplum on the dresses of that time, but this is the only one I've > actually found pictured. I'm not so sure it's a peplum, if by that you mean a bit attached to the bodice only, worn over a separate skirt. My impression is that this is a bodice with an attached skirt; the "peplum" is just the upper edge of the skirt, which is folded to flop over, and the next few inches of the skirt are tucked up beneath, pinned to the padding below. (If this were English, we'd call it a "frounce"; this is the way Elizabethan skirts were tucked up over a French farthingale roll a few decades later. That's often mistaken for a bodice peplum too. The tuck is really quite easy to pin into place, and it allows you to adjust the skirt length to suit different quantities of padding, etc.) You can see that both the skirt and the frounce have a front opening where the fur peeks through, and the stripes on them match, suggesting a continuous skirt folded under. Then again, the skirt is presumably fur-lined, but the fold of the frounce is awfully flat, not slightly puffy as you'd expect with a fur-lined skirt, even if the lining were very fine. On the third hand, it would be impossible to pleat the fur lining into the bodice at the waistline the way the fabric of the skirt is pleated, so perhaps the fur lining starts a few inches down, and the folded area is fur-free. That also means the folded frounce would handily hide any lump or stitching at the point where the fur lining starts. Ah, a mystery. On colors: When I saw this at the National Gallery in London, I noted on the back of my postcard that the very deep green on the postcard was correct in tone, but that the photo was way more orange than the painting, which was a more palatable rust color in life. This is one reason I like to get my postcards at museum shops before I go through the museum -- so I can compare and make notes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 23:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17441 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:45:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4l590021963; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4l1qP000649; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4k9qP000337 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m186.in-tch.com [216.166.191.186]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBJ4TTj01580 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:29:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E014F0F.C1CFAB5D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown References: <20021218174701.8782.68223.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3E00B152.27755.6BC95F56@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:07 -0700 Status: RO Why do you think it's furred? I've never gotten that impression from it (although my good copy of it's at work, so I can't double-check until tomorrow, darn it). Or are you referring to another portrait, other than the one I'd asked about....especially since you're referring to pumpkin and olive colors? (oh, do you mean the stripedy one? I think of it more as yellow and green....) Okay, now I'm re-reading your post again, and catching the Lotto reference (duh, Sue!). Oh, well, it's been that kind of day. Personally, I don't think the extra bit at the top of the skirt is a "peplum" from the bodice, but rather a tuck of the skirt, like the later-16th c. outfits on English women, that make them look, to my eyes, like it's half a woman standing in the middle of a round table . Of course, from what I understand, *those* flounces were pinned to the understructure--padding, farthingale, what-have-you. In our two Italian examples, though, they don't look like they're pinned to anything. I've seen the Lotto dress done (and fairly decently, too). The woman wearing it was a tidge barrel-shaped anyway, so I guess it suited her. In my shorter-rounder-more hourglassy state, though, it wouldn't be flattering, so I'm looking for other styles from the same region/time with which to wear my shift. --Sue, who'd love to know if anyone finds any other examples of the same sort of thing.... kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > Gail wrote: > > Perhaps some more knowledgeable person could comment on this, but it > > seems to me that the puffiness of the gown is more of a painterly, > > idealized version of the style, which seems to be a craze for lots of > > soft puffy things. I would think that you could tone it down a bit and > > still be in the realm of reality. > > While I would also probably tone it down, it is more because of my > modern sensibilities. I agree completely that the Italians especially > had a "craze ofr lots of soft puffy things" but that included full- > figured women. Even undresses (a la Ruben), the ladies tended to be > larger than we think is ok for people now adays. But this is probably > no 16 year old. She was a *woman* not a girl and will not have a > stick figure. (Yet she is not morbidly obese, unlike Lady Dacre from > England from about the same period within 20 years.) > > Nor is this lady stuffed into her dress to overflowing. If you look > at her decollatage, her breasts are not coming over the top. They are > not even pushing her chemise edge forward. She's just wearing a > heavily furred dress, which makes her look bigger than she really is. > But then, in that time it was a popular look. > > The sleeves, for example, are not uncommon in that time and in fact > persisted quite some time. They show up in Alcega ("Learned Man's > Robe" 1589) as well as the Milanese tailor's album (c1570) as you can > see in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620. > > I've made this particular sleeve (albeit *never* in pumpkin and olive > colors) on several occasions. One hint I can give you is that you > need to line the sleeves so that the lining is a straight sleeve > which does not follow the puff. Otherwise the puff is difficult to > maintain without a lot of constant preening (which is so *not* my > style). If you fur line it, as the Lotto painting shows, it will give > that "stuffed" look to the arms (like what we see in our own clothes > which we wear for cold weater sometimes.) My first one was made of > wool and almost has that look without even the lining (although I > made it in proportion to the c1570 gown from the Milanese tailor's > album.) The fur would make the puffed part stand out even more. > > Another thing that I've always noted about this portrait is the short > skirt of the bodice over the longer skirt. I'd seen descriptions of > the peplum on the dresses of that time, but this is the only one I've > actually found pictured. > > I strongly suspect that Lotto painted this dress exactly as it > appeared on the woman. It's just not a look we're particularly used > to. (However, I have a friend who would look spectacular in this > dress just as it is, including the colors used.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 18 23:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17445 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4lQ90021975; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4lPqP000757; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4kkqP000568 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil1202.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.136.202]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ4knd5001084 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3E01505A.58E0352E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021217204238.00b4c038@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:51:39 -0500 Status: RO Hi. I don't know of an online copy. My illo comes from a magazine article that I clipped many years ago. The credit for the picture says "Johnny Van Haeften, London". I don't even know what magazine the illo was from...sorry. The article was titled "Art from the Harvest, paintings that capture the bounty of Autumn", text by Donald Hall. I found another painting with the side opening, however. It is dated 1615, the artist is Esaie van de Velde, it is a Merry Companions piece (in French, "partie champetre"), and it is listed as being in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. It is on pg 280 of "Le Costume des Tudor a Louis XIII" by James Laver 1950. Both the boy pouring wine in the center, and the man on the right in green are wearing them. There might be an answer in that the existing and the illustrated garments seem to fit rather closely. Mike T. > Do you know of a copy of that online anywhere? I've searched google and the > Web Gallery of Art and come up with nothing. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 01:44:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17690 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:44:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ6k490026290; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ6k1qP003589; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ6jBqP003409 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:45:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.124.130]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7C00DB7S7UU0@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:19:09 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021218221250.0509ba30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021218174701.8782.68223.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:18:59 -0800 Status: RO > > Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really > > unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress > > looks too small. > >Sue: I think that on anyone this would be an unattractive style. The woman >looks like she's wearing overstuffed upholstery. IMHO, of course! :-) > >Perhaps some more knowledgeable person could comment on this, but it seems >to me that the puffiness of the gown is more of a painterly, idealized >version of the style, which seems to be a craze for lots of soft puffy >things. I would think that you could tone it down a bit and still be in the >realm of reality. I always thought of it as a sausage grabbed in the middle and squeezed. I'm certain it's too small for the wearer, especially where her anatomy overflows the top of the bodice. Made larger at the top, as in the Lucretia picture, it should do fine on a short and round figure - the ideal Italian figure of the period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 02:51:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12197 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:51:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ7r390028089; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ7r0qP019957; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJ7qtqP019938 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:52:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021219075255.60950.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:52:55 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021218221250.0509ba30@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:52:55 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I always thought of it as a sausage grabbed in the > middle and > squeezed. I'm certain it's too small for the > wearer, especially where her > anatomy overflows the top of the bodice. Actually it's not too small for her. There is at least one other portrait I know of, also circa 1540, where the breasts overflow the top of the bodice quite noticeably, albeit covered by both the camicia and a sheer partlet. It's called "Portrait of a Lady" (she's in green stamped velvet) by Prospero Fontana, circa 1540. If anyone can find this online I'll be forever grateful. I just spent half an hour looking but have to go start dinner now. I have a copy in my book on velvet. Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 10:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31055 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:04:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF5390011355; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF51qP002389; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF4MqP002144 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:04:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021219150417.YZKZ26808.lakemtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:04:17 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning Message-ID: <000001c2a730$67067360$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005201c2a6f7$b3e66930$855c7843@angelap3a8d978> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:29:39 -0500 Status: RO FYI, FWIW, Paypal has been under investigation by several different states, (Louisiana is one I definitely remember), for conducting business as if they are a bank, which in fact they are not. There are reports of other shady dealings, such as Paypal freezing accounts so that the account holder can't even get their own money out. This has been going on for months, as yet I haven't heard the outcome of the case(s), has anyone else? Knowing this was enough for me to not sign up for Paypal, even though it is very convenient, especially for eBay and ordering things from overseas. I'm with you, Angela, there is nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia. Linda -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning If you have allowed paypal access to your checking account, this may be a problem, although I doubt it happens much. E-trade is generally pretty safe. I did however, refuse that sort of access when I signed up with paypal, primarily because at the time there was no number to call if something went wrong. With a total lack of customer service, I have not permitted access to any of my checking accounts. That sort of access is not something I'd probably ever give permission for anyway, as credit cards are a better means of paying strangers, and there is almost always recourse if it's on a credit card. I don't know if they still allow it, it's called an "unverified" account, (as though I'm a bad bad person!) ;) they obviously prefer full access to your checking account, but that ain't gonna happen in my lifetime. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: "Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > Folks, I know a lot of us use Ebay and Paypal (to buy fabric and costumes > and other accessories -- how's that for marginal topical content?). > > Please remember to change your password frequently, and keep an eye on the > account. My hubby just sent me this from Forbes: > http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/08/21/0821hatesites_3.html > Someone on rec.woodworking had their bank account wiped out because > someone hacked their Paypal account, transferred money from the bank > account to Paypal and then within Paypal to another Paypal account, which > was then withdrawn and closed. (Of course, people get their regular bank > or credit card accounts hacked all the time, but it seems one has fewer > remedies when dealing with Paypal than when dealing with one's credit card > company.) > > I just changed my password, and am considering closing the account after a > few payments I've made recently are cleared. > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 10:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31104 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:14:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJEY790009909; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJEY0qP022393; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJEXBqP022130 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18P1ja-0006Bq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:33:10 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Message-ID: <000201c2a76b$980e2bc0$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2A730.EBB0DA60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] FW: Chopine blanks-from the horse's mouth! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:33:26 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2A730.EBB0DA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had sent the inquiry to my husband for hopeful inclusion on my x-mass list, however it went to the round file along with the book from Germany I asked for. Too much effort I guess. I have to do all the hard stuff myself-:-) Darn, I just hate shopping for myself-yeah right. Sg -----Original Message----- From: Cockerel Woodworks [mailto:cockerel_wood@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:19 AM To: deanqq@earthlink.net Subject: Chopine blanks Saragrace, Thanks for your enquiry. Our chopine blanks are $110 Australian. At the time of writing that comes to $62.25 US, plus postage. Each set of chopines is custom fitted for the client and made only to order. cheers Julian Daniels Cockerel Woodworks Medieval and renaissance fine furniture. http://merchants-medieval.com/cockerel >Enquiry: >Hi, how much are chopine blanks? ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2A730.EBB0DA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I had sent the inquiry to my = husband for hopeful inclusion on my x-mass list, however it went to the round file = along with the book from Germany I asked for.  Too much effort I guess.  I have to = do all the hard stuff myself-J Darn, I just hate shopping for myself-yeah = right.

 

Sg

 

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From: Cockerel Woodworks [mailto:cockerel_wood@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: = Tuesday, December 17, = 2002 10:19 AM
To: = deanqq@earthlink.net
Subject: Chopine = blanks

Saragrace, Thanks for your enquiry.

Our chopine blanks are $110 Australian. At the time of writing = that comes to $62.25 US, plus postage. Each set of = chopines is custom fitted for the client and made only to = order. 

cheers

Julian Daniels  

Cockerel Woodworks
Medieval and renaissance fine furniture.
http://merchants-medieval= .com/cockerel

 

>Enquiry:

>Hi, how much are chopine blanks?

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2A730.EBB0DA60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 10:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31111 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:15:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJEg290010346; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJEg1qP024836; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21306.mail.yahoo.com (web21306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJEf1qP024561 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:41:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021219144100.77844.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.59.9] by web21306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:41:00 PST From: kate Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E01CAE9.C7075C69@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:41:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO *snip* http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg Greetings Claire. In my opinion, the extra poufiness around her elbow is there due to bending her arm. As far as I'm aware, there's no extra pouf on the lower sleeve. I've heard several opinions regarding her hat. The one that I think fits the best is that it's lambs wool. Sure looks like it to me...but then again, I've never been around a sheep while it's being sheared so I don't know if you can get the lovely little curls of wool or not. Sue--you asked about another example of the peplum/flouncy thing. Go here: http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/Green1.jpg and look carefully at the area just below her waist, skimming the top of her left hand and you'll see another example of it. It is Portrait of a Lady, circa 1530 attributed to da Carpi. Sometime in the past this came up. At the time, one opinion was her gown didn't have the peplum/flounce, but that it was a line from her fan handle. If you look carefully, you'll see the cord for the fan handle *is* there, but it's a straight line; the flounce line is curved and follows her waistline. A friend of mine used to correspond with Janet Arnold; her thought was that it was perhaps another way to cartridge pleat the skirt to the bodice (folding the flounce over the top of the skirt, cartridge pleating it and sewing through the layers to attach it to the bodice). I haven't tried it myself. I'm a large woman and the idea of *more* fabric at my waistline doesn't thrill me... Have a lovely day! kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 10:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31129 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF2290011159; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF20qP001290; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJF1cqP001171 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBJF1hF25605.; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:01:43 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:01:36 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBJF1cqP001171 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:01:21 +0000 Status: RO (Another) Kate wrote: [snip] >>> Sue--you asked about another example of the >peplum/flouncy thing. Go here: >http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/Green1.jpg >and look carefully at the area just below her waist, >skimming the top of her left hand and you'll see >another example of it. What a modern-looking face! My first thought was "She looks just like Diana Rigg (cf http://www.mindspring.com/~jglane/riggbio.htm ) Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 10:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31331 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:59:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJG1190014887; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJG11V6024983; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJG0hV6024798 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBJG0nF29418.; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:00:49 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:00:42 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBJG0hV6024798 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:00:14 +0000 Status: RO Thought I'd just remind any list friends in the London area that our 17th century music group, with the dancers Renaissance Footnotes, will be at the Museum of London on the afternoons of 3rd, 4th and 5th January 2003. Hope to see you, Stevie? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 11:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31385 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:09:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJG8u9u015426; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJFv0V6023115; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJFunV6023019 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:56:49 -0700 (MST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Thread-Index: AcKi5XPUF1OWA/ZBQtuiMswNQnkjiQEkavJw From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBJFunV6023019 Subject: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:56:49 -0800 Status: RO Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the error that the page cannot be found. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Heather Meadows [mailto:alice@wonderland.com] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 11:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31669 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGY290017330; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGY1V6011204; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJGXTV6010879 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtaPW7bh2Pntorppjn4RW2y35pKS+jhjcw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLEHBKQM; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:33:07 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning Message-ID: <20021219.112426.-395517.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:24:26 -0500 Status: RO I did a lot of buying and selling on eBay a year or so ago and used Pay Pal. They had my electronic checking information and NEVER did anything that I had not approved. I don't really think you have to worry about them. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 11:34:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31678 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:34:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGa190017476; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGa1V6012213; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGZbV6011974 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip202.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.202]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBJGZYe27964 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:35:34 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown Message-ID: <3E017E93.32262.6EEB4564@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3E014F0F.C1CFAB5D@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:08:51 -0800 Status: RO > Why do you think it's furred? I've never gotten that impression from > it (although my good copy of it's at work, so I can't double-check > until tomorrow, darn it). Or are you referring to another portrait, > other than the one I'd asked about....especially since you're > referring to pumpkin and olive colors? (oh, do you mean the stripedy > one? I think of it more as yellow and green....) In the on-line version even it is clear in the sleeve slashes and in the little area down the center front of the skirt that it has a mottled grey fur. One person's yellow (or orange) and green is another's "pumpkin and olive." I'm certain that they would have called it something entirely different in Italy. ;) > Personally, I don't > think the extra bit at the top of the skirt is a "peplum" from the > bodice, but rather a tuck of the skirt, like the later-16th c. outfits > on English women, that make them look, to my eyes, like it's half a > woman standing in the middle of a round table . Of course, from > what I understand, *those* flounces were pinned to the > understructure--padding, farthingale, what-have-you. In our two > Italian examples, though, they don't look like they're pinned to > anything. I've seen the Lotto dress done (and fairly decently, too). I originally thought it was just a tuck in the skirt fabric too. However, the actual skirt appears to be furred (from the little bit you see down the center front) but the peplum doesn't have the same fur, nor does it have the bulk which fur would give it. Also, it doesn't, as you mentioned, appear to be pinned. And if you add to that the occasional references to "skirted bodices", you can deduce that it is probably a peplum (skirted bodice) as opposed to a tucked skirt (something I haven't seen referred to in Italian clothing descriptions). > The woman wearing it was a tidge barrel-shaped anyway, so I guess it > suited her. In my shorter-rounder-more hourglassy state, though, it > wouldn't be flattering, so I'm looking for other styles from the same > region/time with which to wear my shift. --Sue, who'd love to know if > anyone finds any other examples of the same sort of thing.... It depends on which part you'd like to find examples. The sleeve you can find several examples in various sizes from barely there to this one. The "peplum" I haven't found other examples. The hat.... well, I haven't looked because I don't care for it. Too froofroo. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 12:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31760 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:09:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGA490015552; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGA1V6029210; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJG9YV6028989 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-210.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.210] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18P3Eq-00010G-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c2a779$94248d20$d21723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:13:33 -0000 Status: RO Robin wrote, re: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > On the third hand, it would be impossible to pleat the fur lining into the > bodice at the waistline the way the fabric of the skirt is pleated, so > perhaps the fur lining starts a few inches down, and the folded area is > fur-free. That also means the folded frounce would handily hide any lump > or stitching at the point where the fur lining starts. > > Ah, a mystery. Perhaps; I'd suggest however that if the fur retained natural pelt shapes with triangles at the top it would be much easier to pleat it in the way we see. I've tried it, and it works:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 13:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32214 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:51:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIr390028395; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIr107025478; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIql07025351 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:52:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp169.directcon.net [209.76.47.169]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBJIpvGf005454; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:51:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning In-Reply-To: <20021219.112426.-395517.1.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:56:01 -0800 Status: RO I do at least 99% of my business on Paypal and have never had a problem. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 13:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32260 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIx290028832; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIx107028289; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf07bis.bellsouth.net (mail207.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIww07028198 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.76.153.161]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021219190042.WPBQ13664.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:00:42 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:58:04 -0500 Status: RO It's down to me too... Apollonia Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi Kingdom of Atlantia www.livejournal.com/users/apollonia **Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.** -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Colleen McDonald Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:57 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the error that the page cannot be found. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Heather Meadows [mailto:alice@wonderland.com] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 14:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32304 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJ6190029416; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJ6007002108; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJ5t07002017 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:05:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-115-10.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.115.10]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANU30203; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:03:41 GMT Message-ID: <006101c2a792$5e8f2b20$0a734ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:10:48 -0000 Status: RO Me too several 100 $s per week & no problems Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 14:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32422 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:22:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJO290000807; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJO007011297; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJNF07010919 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:23:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJOfPN025338 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:24:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3E021D18.6010409@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:25:12 -0800 Status: RO To Colleen- I keep getting that msg. on a semi-frequent, unpredictable basis. I think the site goes out for coffee a lot!! Theresa Eacker Colleen McDonald wrote: > Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the error that the page cannot be found. > > Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 14:47:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00448 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:47:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJn190003401; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJn107024014; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJmb07023837 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBJJma11018458 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E01505A.58E0352E@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO A friend of mine is looking for a Norfolk Jacket (that tweedy type of hunting jacket that you see in early 20th c. English period movies), but all of the hunting shops seem to have stopped carrying them. Does anyone know of a pattern or source? - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 15:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00652 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:15:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKG190005296; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKG007008194; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKFA07007699 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-115-10.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.115.10]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANU35927; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:11 GMT Message-ID: <011801c2a79c$146fc040$0a734ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:20:30 -0000 Status: RO There are usually a few in English Charity shops, but I'm guessing you are in the US ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 16:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00846 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL9190009211; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL9107005174; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL7x07004497 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBJL7l02062447 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:07:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" at Dec 19, 2002 01:58:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:07:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO sorry about the typo! it's trimfabic.com, no 's' > > It's down to me too... > > Apollonia > > Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi > Kingdom of Atlantia > www.livejournal.com/users/apollonia > > **Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum > immane mittam.** > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Colleen McDonald > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:57 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? > > > Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the > error that the page cannot be found. > > Colleen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather Meadows [mailto:alice@wonderland.com] > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:22 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > > > I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com > for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks > to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. > > Heather > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 16:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00930 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:26:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLS490010662; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLS207014988; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLRU07014676 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLSuPN032287 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:28:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3E023A37.7060906@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:29:27 -0800 Status: RO To Mara- I ran into that exact same problem last spring and found that the Folkwear Australian Bush Jacket was a pretty good substitute. I altered some of the outward features (pocket shapes, left off the epaulets, extra vertical banding) to match photos of 1880s-1910s men wearing various versions of the jacket. The size runs small for men, though, so bump up a size level and be prepared for a really weird collar application!!! Hope this helps, Theresa Eacker Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for a Norfolk Jacket (that tweedy type of > hunting jacket that you see in early 20th c. English period movies), but > all of the hunting shops seem to have stopped carrying them. Does anyone > know of a pattern or source? > > - Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 18:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01289 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJNU290019498; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJNU007021598; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJNTL07021286 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:29:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCmDlvYxaMoD5nO0Ry984jRci9W2FJEsdbA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLE84336; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:29:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk Message-ID: <20021219.172609.-707551.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_7ef8.7e04.2c3c X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-9,11-21,22-32767 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Queenly Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:26:09 -0600 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. 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Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 19:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01426 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:01:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK03790022071; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK03007007958; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK02g07007811 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:02:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-210.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.210] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PAci-0004D5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:02:40 +0000 Message-ID: <007901c2a7bb$ac4c4e00$d21723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] MINT 19c MOTHER OF PEARL LADIES HEM LIFTER NR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:06:40 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Someone may be interested in this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=957&item=2800 115095 Just what you always wanted... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 19:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01433 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK06B90022273; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK06A07009352; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK05f07009116 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-210.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.210] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PAfc-0004Kq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: <008101c2a7bc$17484e20$d21723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] VERY EARLY METALIC EMBROIDERED VELVET PURSE Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:09:40 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, this auction finishes in a couple of hours but the pictures may be of interest to our embroiderers: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=962&item=1904 475338 best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 19:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01437 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK06290022249; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK06107009258; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK05R07008950 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7E00EGE5JBHD@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:04:48 -0600 Status: RO I am only getting h-costume every 3 or so volumns.. I am missing about 20 of them now???? Anyone else thisis happening to? -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 19:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01457 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK0E190023319; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK0E007012684; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK0Dr07012615 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.16.33]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021220001351.WTXU15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:13:51 +0000 Subject: Ditto/Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:09:38 +0000 Status: RO I've had a couple of months of peculiar problems - sometimes the posts don't get thru' and last week I had to re-subscribe to the List to get them.When I contacted my Server they said there was a back log of posts amounting to 2000 dating from September. Marcus. On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:04 am, Linda J. Thompson wrote: > I am only getting h-costume every 3 or so volumns.. > > > I am missing about 20 of them now???? Anyone else thisis happening to? > > -- Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 21:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01792 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:02:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK24290028401; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK24107019336; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK23707019074 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:03:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from p20-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.208.20] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18PCVF-0005Zp-00; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:03:05 +1300 Message-ID: <005601c2a7cb$f1f748f0$14d0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021219144100.77844.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:03:08 +1300 Status: RO > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > In my opinion, the extra poufiness around her elbow is > there due to bending her arm. As far as I'm aware, > there's no extra pouf on the lower sleeve. How about on the arm that's outstretched? There is a more prominant poof happening there. I see what you mean baout the bend, it really does look like the sleeve closest to the veiwer has a poof created just fromt he bend, but the arm holding the sketch has an even biger bump. > I've heard several opinions regarding her hat. The one > that I think fits the best is that it's lambs wool. > Sure looks like it to me...but then again, I've never > been around a sheep while it's being sheared so I > don't know if you can get the lovely little curls of > wool or not. If it's wool then I'm sure it'll be lambskin. I know modern Woolrests have a nice pile made of wool that's sheared, but it would be infinately easy to keep the curls on a skin. I know some wigs for dolls in the late 19th-early20th C were made from lambskin. And they were definately very curly. As for the skirt/peplum.. the pattern of the little 'skirt' matches up with the stripes on the skirt, not the bodice. Would it be possible that it's like those flounces on late Elizabethan drum shaped skirts? And actually sewn into place, and then the skirt lined with fur? Hmmm.. that sounds a little odd even to me;) Maybe it's a case of the artist not liking how poofy the original fold was and made it flatter. I just can't see the maker making the bodice and the skirt and a peplum to match the skirt so well, could have made the skirt extra long and cut off the top edge to use for the peplum I suppose... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 21:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01871 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2o190000607; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2o007004042; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2nH07003816 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2ojPN012831 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:50:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0285A2.2000509@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queenly Update References: <20021219.172609.-707551.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:51:14 -0800 Status: RO It's amazing to me how quickly you're getting this to come together!!! It does indeed look _very_ queenly!!! BTW, where did you find grosgrain so wide (on the hem facing)? If you don't mind sharing your source, that is (??) Theresa Eacker seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I have updated my web site with the next installment of the Queen Dress > Saga. It can be found at: > > > > > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ > > > > Look for the section called "To Dress A Queen". > > > > > > Happy Holidays! > > > > > > Karen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 22:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01936 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3EB90001532; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:14:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3E407010875; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3Dh07010701 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2002122003133705200fhclge>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:13:37 +0000 Message-ID: <00bb01c2a7d5$c95f16c0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Costumer for large order? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:13:36 -0800 Status: RO Someone posted this to my site -- if you're interested, please get in touch with Angie directly at angie@camp-potawotami.org ==================================================================== Hello, I am the Outdoor Education Director at YMCA Camp Potawotami. We are a non-profit org. in NE Indiana. One of our largest programs is a living history simulation focused on the Underground Railroad. We have been "getting by" with tattered, poor quality, poorly made, and inaccurate costumes for years. I am in the process of contacting several sources in hopes of getting some better costumes for this program. My efforts are two-fold. First, our budget is nearly non-existent. Therefore, my first effort is to solicit donations that would be deductible come tax time. I realize that some vendors are not large enough to offer such help. Secondly, I do have a small amount of money that I am willing to use to buy new costumes. I am wondering if you would be willing to work something out that would combine both of these options. Here are some of the parameters that we are working with: Our costumes are worn by both our staff (they change seasonally) and some parent/teacher volunteers who play characters. This means that I am looking for things that can be worn by a variety of people. Skirts that are adjustable, etc. Also, they need to be sturdy enough to hold up for the long haul. I would like to get one large order in the beginning and then just replace/repair things as needed. Some of the characters that we portray are-- Harriet Tubman, a sheriff, a bounty hunter, Quakers, Chapman Harris (a river boat captain), and a pregnant housewife. Depending on how cheaply this can be done, I would also like to have some sort of costumes for our "conductors"(escaped slaves who guided runaways). This program is offered from March-May and August-December, so we also need things that will keep us warm in the freezing winter in Northern Indiana. As you can see, this would be quite a project. If you are not interested or able to undertake such a thing, could you refer me to someone else who could be of help? Thank you for you valuable time, Angie Cole Outdoor Education Director YMCA Camp Potawotami "Education is a journey, not a destination." www.camp-potawotami.org ph# 260-351-2525 ext. 304 fax# 260-351-3915 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 22:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01952 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:24:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3OL98001888; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:25:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3K107012512; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK3JT07012375 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBK3JTQW012369 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:19:29 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Ditto/Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Message-ID: <20021220031929.GA8755@net.indra.com> References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:19:29 -0700 Status: RO On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 01:09:38AM +0000, marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > I've had a couple of months of peculiar problems - sometimes the posts > don't get thru' and last week I had to re-subscribe to the List to get > them.When I contacted my Server they said there was a back log of posts > amounting to 2000 dating from September. If your server was holding them, it's not anything to do with Indra. Did you ask them *why* they had 2000 posts stuck in there? I have asked my admin if he's seen any problems, and he hasn't. If people can send me *specific* examples of messages they have posted which they think haven't shown up, he will check the logs and see what he can find. I've had some people tell me their messages haven't gone through because they haven't seen them. But others have seen those 'missing' messages, which seems to indicate a receiving problem on some sites, and not a sending problem on Indra. Please contact your admins and make sure they are not blocking anything from Indra, and that they are not making mailing list messages (ie, "bulk mail") such a low delivery priority that you're not getting it in your mailbox in a timely fashion. One of these two are likely to be the problem for just about everyone who's not seeing the list email. If your admin can guarantee you that neither one is the case, we can run some tests. ..eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 23:35:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02130 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:35:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4b690005136; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:37:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4b107005101; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f24.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4am07005032 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:36:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:22:27 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:22:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 04:22:27.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[67A557F0:01C2A7DF] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:22:27 -0800 Status: RO > >I do at least 99% of my business on Paypal and have never had a problem. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at >margospatterns.com I have seen the same warning pages and my husband has talked to a few people who had minor hangups with paypal, but I have never had any problems with them whether paying or being paid. I've had my account since '98. I don't recieve regular(scheduled repeated)payments, just once in a while payments and not in huge amounts either, but paypal has always been a great service for me. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 23:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02154 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:51:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4r390005557; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4r107009551; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4qH07009340 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBK4a7j09186 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:36:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E02A21B.58112A50@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? References: <3E021D18.6010409@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:52:43 -0700 Status: RO My computer can't even find the server.... S'okay with me right now, though....I don't have a *cent* to spend on fabric! --sue, feeling deprived ;-( Theresa Eacker wrote: > > To Colleen- > > I keep getting that msg. on a semi-frequent, unpredictable basis. I > think the site goes out for coffee a lot!! > > Theresa Eacker > > Colleen McDonald wrote: > > > Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the error that the page cannot be found. > > > > Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 23:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02163 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:54:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4sM9c005592; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:55:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4f107006244; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4ec07006122 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBK4OKj04772 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:24:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E029F58.6B601053@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:40:56 -0700 Status: RO I don't know what to tell you, because I don't get it in digest form. That said, though, even the regular version gets a bit weird now and then--I'll get responses to a post *days* before the original post shows up, etc. It seems to be much worse on the weekends. --sue "Linda J. Thompson" wrote: > > I am only getting h-costume every 3 or so volumns.. > > I am missing about 20 of them now???? Anyone else thisis happening to? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 19 23:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02167 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4u290005679; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4u107010296; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK4sx07010055 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBK4cnj10201 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:38:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E02A2BD.4A3182D0@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? References: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:55:25 -0700 Status: RO Okay, that worked, but only if I added the "www." in front of the rest of it....*sigh*.... I get lazy because I don't have to do that on my computers at work. --sue Heather Meadows wrote: > > sorry about the typo! it's trimfabic.com, no 's' > > > > > It's down to me too... > > > > Apollonia > > > > Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi > > Kingdom of Atlantia > > www.livejournal.com/users/apollonia > > > > **Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum > > immane mittam.** > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Colleen McDonald > > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:57 AM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? > > > > > > Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the > > error that the page cannot be found. > > > > Colleen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heather Meadows [mailto:alice@wonderland.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:22 PM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > > > > > > I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com > > for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks > > to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. > > > > Heather > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 00:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02251 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK5L290006702; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK5L007017403; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK5KU07017211 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021220052004.MZCF513731.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:20:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c2a7e7$7ef514b0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3E02A2BD.4A3182D0@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:20:03 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:20:22 -0500 Status: RO Hi all, I'm heading down to the US for the holidays and am wondering if anybody has any favourite fabric and/or bead stores in Manhattan or Northeastern Jersey that they could recommend. Might as well see if I can pick up some neat stuff while I'm there...^_^ -- Maral the den of sarcasm http://sarcasm.fanfic.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 03:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27783 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK8U690012203; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK8U1No002644; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK8ToNo002591 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A4F03B00D0; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:29:36 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4F8187C0292; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:29:44 -0600 Message-ID: <00a801c2a801$ff7b4ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <005201c2a6f7$b3e66930$855c7843@angelap3a8d978> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] OT: Paypal (long) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:30:03 -0500 Status: RO Somehow I didn't get the first message about this. My ISP went down two days for repairs. I having been using Paypal since a year after they started business. I like Margo do 99% of my business through Paypal. I have worked with them very closely over the years and their customer service has been beyond excellent. So I will let you know what I have learned from working with them. They have my credit card and bank information.... I know the concern is with Paypal having your bank info. So I will address that. You have to provide bank info to set up the account. Just like you have to do when paying anyone with an e-check or a pay-by- phone. When making a Paypal e-check payment, it takes 3-5 business days for the transaction to occur. You ask Paypal to transfer the money from your bank to the Paypal account. Personally, I ask for the money to be transferred before writing an e-check. Once the money reaches the Paypal account, then the money is transferred to the person's account that you are paying. Remember this takes 3-5 days. E-check money is not automatically taken from your account except if you have money already on your Paypal (not bank) account. Believe me, I have sent out payment requests for e-checks that are never paid. If you don't request for the money from your bank to be sent to your Paypal account, it won't arrive. It does not work the same way as when I call my electric company and make an e-check payment by phone. I have one student who asks me to go on an send an e-check request when she enrolls. She will send the money to her email account when she gets paid on Friday or the Friday two weeks away. She always lets me know when she will be sending the payment up front. Just because I send her a request doesn't mean the money automatically comes out of her account. The student is the one who decides when to send the payment. People can save up money on their Paypal account. Say someone pays you for an e-Bay auction. You have the option to leave the money on your account and earn interest or have a direct deposit to your checking account. If you wrote an e-check to someone else, that money you have saved Paypal account can be used for that payment automatically. The "Paypal being a bank lawsuits" were settled over a year ago. I can't recall the outcome, but that was about the time they started paying interest on the money left on account. I have worked with so many people over the years with Paypal and their accounts. I tell our students who need assistance that they can call Paypal's customer service at 1-888-221-1161 or 402-935-7733 M-F, 6AM to midnight, Central Standard Time. Paypal will be more than happy to assist you and answer any question you have. I have been calling them with questions or for assistance since I started with them and they have always been prompt at answering the phone. I have helped many of our students set up accounts. Many have called the customer assistance and got the problems resolved immediately. FYI, I have never taken the $5 for new accounts. I just want to help people go through the process easily. Some things that I do like about Paypal is that they do not charge you for transferring the money to your bank. A lot of companies are charging $5-$10 for e-checks. Businesses are charged a small fee for accepting payments from individuals or other businesses. So if you send me a payment for $50, Paypal charges me $1.60 for accepting the funds. They charge me this because I have a business account. I have been told that when this type of transaction occurs on private accounts the fee is not charged. I have heard people/businesses gripe about the fees... go to a merchant account business and ask what the fees are to set up a merchant account and renting the equipment. Then compare pricing. You will find out that Paypal fees are a lot lower. As a small business I would have never been able to afford to have a merchant account and accept credit cards. Paypal allows me to accept them. Many a small businesses are in the same situation that I am in. Accepting credit cards has vastly expanded my business. Time saving... When someone pays me by Paypal, I generally receive a payment within 3-5 days. Sometimes I receive a payment in seconds, if the person is online and has money in their account. Someone snail mailing a payment takes 5-14 days. Then I have to go to the bank (takes time out of my day), deposit it in a special account, and wait 3-5 more days for the check to clear. I can send a Paypal payment request in 3 minutes, and not have to leave home. If I want the Paypal payment to be deposited in my checking account, all I have to do is change my preferences to Auto Sweep and it is in my bank in 3 days. This saves me SO much time. I have decided to stop accepting personal checks and money orders except from former students who have paid this way in the past. 8 out of 10 times when someone tells me that they will send me a check or money order in the mail, I do not receive them. I spend so much time on enrollments and it wastes my time to enroll someone and never see the payment. On the other hand, 9 times out of 10 when someone pays with an e-check or credit cards through Paypal, I receive the payment. FYI: For those accepting personal checks... if you set up a separate bank account to just put personal checks in until they clear, it is better than putting it into your main account and the check bounces and messes up your master account with fees. Paypal Verified VS non-Verified Accounts: A verified customer is someone who took the time to check with their bank and confirmed that when you opened your Paypal account that the couple of cents was deposited in your bank account by Paypal. All you have to do is check with your bank or bank statement of the date and amount. It's not hard. Verified customers have a granrantee that if goods were sent, you can get your money back in 30 days if the product didn't live up to its promise. This money back policy is only for goods not services. If you purchase from a non-verified seller or sell to a none verified account the policy is void. It is a consumer/vendor protection device. I know several eBay dealers who will not accept payments from non-verified Paypal accounts. To me, I really don't care when accepting payments if a student is verified or not because I deal with a service. I do care when making a payment for an eBay auction or when purchasing products. Something new Paypal is offering is for a small fee, you can purchase a money back granrantee if purchasing from a non-Verified seller. I just purchased some software for $55 and the fee was $1.50. FYI, the only thing that I dislike it that it takes up to a month for international accounts to be opened. I think Paypal could improve this, but if I accepted international personal checks or money orders, my bank will charge me a $20 service fee and take up to 3 weeks for the check to clear. Personally, losing that $20 and the waiting time means a lot to me... so I will accept the wait for the international account to open. Our policy at the Classroom is to allow international students in the class and when the account is opened, they send me a payment. We have had several international students pay via new Paypal accounts and they are worth this wait. I have only been burned one time with someone not paying. That is not a bad record. As for accounts being frozen... I once had my account frozen. I asked for it and they acted immediately. A long time ago, I caught someone money laundering. A person deposited $800 into my account and in 15 minutes, they removed $775 from my account. The person gave me $25 for my trouble. LOL!!! I guess they thought if they left me some money, I would not say anything. What this hacker did was took about $25 from one account, sent it to someone else's account, removed a little more to another account and kept building it up until he moved it to my account. Then they paid for an online gambling debt with the money. Back then, I was online all the time, and watched the person while he/she was doing the crime. I notified Paypal immediately, had them freeze my account for a week. They also froze all the other people's accounts when they followed this thief's trail. I called my local police and they got involved along with Paypal's local police. All parties were very cooperative. So if your account is frozen and they won't give you a reason... please remember, Paypal or the police may be tracking down some internet fraud. Please remember that when they are investigating internet fraud, they will not give you the details. Just like in a murder mystery, everyone is a suspect. Now if this scares you of hackers... every large association and govt. have been hacked into. Watch the shows on Tech TV about Cyber Crimes or hackers. It is a fact that we all chose to deal with on the internet or when using a check or credit card in real life. If someone really wants your information or money, they can get it. Some things to prevent someone from getting into any of your internet accounts is to change the password frequently. If you have multiple email accounts, don't set up a money account with an email address that you use frequently. And don't give out that email address except when dealing directly with the person. When I talked with the police about this cyber crime, the first thing, they wanted to know was who in MY family knew my passwords. That upset me, to think of my internet savvy kids were a suspect. Since then only two trusted souls know my passwords, and they only know them in case something happens to me. The detective also suggested to not write down passwords to money accounts of any kind. All the police and Paypal would tell me in the end was that the crime was solved and that security had been improved. I like to think because I can use Paypal and our students can use Paypal that a lot of people are receiving education that otherwise they might not have received. So it is all well worth it!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 06:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14481 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKBcg90016999; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:38:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKBa0No009728; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKBZJNo009574 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14576 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 11:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.206.31]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.1) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2002 11:35:19 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c2a81b$f717a320$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3E02A2BD.4A3182D0@in-tch.com> <001301c2a7e7$7ef514b0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:35:57 -0500 Status: RO Just wandering in downtown Manhattan, through those whole streets of fabric stores! is just the best. And we have found the best stuff that way, which is why I can't say we have a favorite store. It is about 4+ hours to get from here in upstate NY to there, so I also don't get there often enough to have a favorite. But wandering in and out.... sigh, as if I don't have 2 rooms of fabric now, to support my touchy-feely addiction. How are you getting there? If you are driving through Central NY, between Syracuse and Albany, people are always welcome to stop by and stay! Rowena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herself-the-Elf" < Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:20 AM > Hi all, I'm heading down to the US for the holidays and am wondering if > anybody has any favourite fabric and/or bead stores in Manhattan or > Northeastern Jersey that they could recommend. Might as well see if I can > pick up some neat stuff while I'm there...^_^ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 07:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14702 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCO290018235; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCO0No020264; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f82.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCN4No020079 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:22:56 -0800 Received: from 204.22.6.152 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:22:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.22.6.152] From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 12:22:56.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[87112F40:01C2A822] Subject: [h-cost] Norfolk Jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:22:56 -0500 Status: RO I believe Orvis showed one in their winter catalog, try www.orvis.com . Also, you can occasionally find the J.Peterman "Out of Africa" hunting suit listed on ebay. I was able to find one for my husband at a very reasonable price. Hope this helps - Kelly _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 08:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18833 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKD7290019165; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKD71No028859; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f17.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKD6rNo028795 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:06:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:06:48 -0800 Received: from 211.26.48.135 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:06:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.26.48.135] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 13:06:48.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7D7C850:01C2A828] Subject: [h-cost] A future in costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:36:48 +1030 Status: RO
Delurking to brag about some good news!
I just got a letter saying that I've been accepted into the costuming course that I had applied to. Its at the Roma Mitchell Arts Education Centre, in Adelaide, South Australia. I don't really know what to expect, the one thing that I do know is that I will be expected to put in many hours of work. I am really looking forward to the opportunity to realise my dream of a career in costume.
 
Rebecca

3 months FREE*. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 08:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18952 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDiK9U020146; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDf0No006742; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDeLNo006491 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivecgo.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.50.24] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PNO0-0005rJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:40:20 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220083042.035036b8@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:40:09 -0500 Status: RO Maral wrote: >Hi all, I'm heading down to the US for the holidays and am wondering if >anybody has any favourite fabric and/or bead stores in Manhattan or >Northeastern Jersey that they could recommend. Yup. In Manhattan, go to Paron Fabrics and to Poli Fabrics. Paron has several locations; the only one I've been too is on the south (downtown) side of West 57th St. between 5th Ave. and Ave. of the Americas. Poli, IIRC (if they're still in bsns) is on the same block -- as is Greenberg and Hammer. There are a few other fabric stores on that block, on both sides of the street, but they look to be a bit pricey. There are apparently some good fabric shops in the garment district (West 38th-42nd Sts. between Ave. of the Americas and 9th Ave.), but I haven't lucked into any yet. Many of those stores are closed on Saturday, or closed the entire weekend. For beads, I don't know if they're open on weekends, but try either Sheru or Cindarella. Both are just east of Avenue of the Americas, I think on 36th or 38th St. (I don't recall which offhand). Also, check out M & J trimmings on Avenue of the Americas, I think between 36th and 38th Sts. For inexpensive stuff, look in NJ for the nearest "Rag Shop" Their flatfolds are sometimes interesting, especially in the home dec department. They sell beads, too, but mostly the run-of-the-mill type of stuff you can find in any craft store chain in the US (e.g. Michael's, A.C. Moore, Hobby Lobby, etc.). Also check out the nearest Treasure Island for beads, ribbons, and trinkets. Check their clearance aisles for the *really* good deals... though you'll have to rummage through a lot of crap to find them. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 08:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18999 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDw090020718; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDw0No011212; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDvSNo011099 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBKDvRpl011097 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:57:27 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Message-ID: <20021220135727.GK8755@net.indra.com> References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> <3E029F58.6B601053@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E029F58.6B601053@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:57:27 -0700 Status: RO If you are not seeing your own posts to the list, please contact your sysadmins and see whether or not they are filtering anything that looks like you're sending it to yourself. With the influx of spam with forged headers that look like it came to you from yourself, I wouldn't be surprised if they're nuking them automatically. Possible solution: It's possible for me to change the headers on the messages so all list mail comes from the list and not from the individual. However, this means people will NOT see any sender information in the header other than the list. If you want people to know who sent the email and to have your address, you will have to include that information in the body of the message. This will bypass the spam filters catching email as outlined above, but will cause some confusion to the list members. Thanks, ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 09:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19153 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:31:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEX390021962; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEX2No020689; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKETvNo019837 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-003-071.jps.net ([216.119.3.71] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PO9z-00041E-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:29:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c2a835$2cc2eb60$470377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A future in costume Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A7F2.1D518080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:36:23 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A7F2.1D518080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Congratulations!!!! How exciting. What type of costuming interests you the most? What is = the course like? That is great news!! Lisa ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rebecca Anderson=20 To: h-costume@net.indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 5:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] A future in costume Delurking to brag about some good news! I just got a letter saying that I've been accepted into the costuming = course that I had applied to. Its at the Roma Mitchell Arts Education = Centre, in Adelaide, South Australia. I don't really know what to = expect, the one thing that I do know is that I will be expected to put = in many hours of work. I am really looking forward to the opportunity to = realise my dream of a career in costume. 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Delurking to brag about some good news!
I just got a letter saying that I've been accepted into the = costuming=20 course that I had applied to. Its at the Roma Mitchell Arts = Education=20 Centre, in Adelaide, South Australia. I don't really know what to = expect, the=20 one thing that I do know is that I will be expected to put in = many hours=20 of work. I am really looking forward to the opportunity to realise my = dream of=20 a career in costume.
 
Rebecca

3 months FREE*.=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list = h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A7F2.1D518080-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 09:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19157 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:31:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEXA90021979; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:33:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEXANo020735; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:33:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21305.mail.yahoo.com (web21305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKEUkNo020098 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:30:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021220143046.12375.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.59.9] by web21305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:30:46 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <005601c2a7cb$f1f748f0$14d0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:30:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > How about on the arm that's outstretched? There is a > more prominant poof > happening there. I see what you mean baout the bend, > it really does look > like the sleeve closest to the veiwer has a poof > created just fromt he bend, > but the arm holding the sketch has an even biger > bump. Your guess is as good as mine. This gown is relatively unique--it has a bunch of uncommon things going on...the stripes, the slashes just around the elbow area, the front lacing, as well as the flounce. I think that a possibile reason for the pouf at the elbow is that perhaps her chemise sleeve has pooled around her elbow filling out the extra room created by the slashes gaping open (gaping caused by her bending her arm) which in turn creates the pouf at the upper part of the lower sleeve. Kind of like when you were a kid wearing tights that bag at the knees, you know? just my .02 kate (the other one) :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 10:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19455 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFq390026124; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFq1No017654; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFp1No017245 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBKFox11014650 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:51:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto costume book In-Reply-To: <001c01c2a7b3$7d42ce70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:50:59 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > > Did any of you notice the stunning beautifull Elizabethan Jacket in the > large Costume book from Kyoto? Yes, I saw it, and meant to post something to the list; it is definitely a shame that we can't see more of it. I'd really love to see more details... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 11:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19569 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKGT290028862; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKGT1No005584; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKGSHNo005150 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:28:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgp1T8V4NypMAmEGLmDV6AHGOsR0IzKBIg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLG3D6G9; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:27:35 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal (long) Message-ID: <20021220.112712.-161667.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:15:29 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Penny and Margo. When I first jumped in to defend Pay Pal, I was afraid I was going to be flamed off the list. Nice to know that they are, indeed, as good as I thought. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 14:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20098 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJDJ90010492; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJD0r1000324; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJCQr1029868 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.e4.32801a9a (15888) for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m18.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.134]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-1220141218; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:12:18 -0500 From: LSinervo@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46C03ACC.4DFA2DFD.0074B0C2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:12:17 -0500 Status: RO There is a quote regarding the lack of Elizabeth's clothing that mentions "biggins" as follows: beseeching you to be [a] good lord to my lady...that she may have some raiment for she hath neither gown, not kirtle nor sleeves, nor railes, nor body stitchets, nor handkerchiefs, nor mufflers nor biggins. All this her grace must have. I have driven off as long as I can, that be my troth I can drive it no longer. Beseeching you my lord that ye will see that her grace may have that [which] is needful for her. This is a cut and paste of Drea's article from her site. What is the OED by the way??? Cheers Lisa - last day on a temp job with nothing to do but surf the net!!!! In a message dated 12/10/2002 6:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jean Waddie writes: >Joy Shillaker wrote >>Thanks for the comments and advice. >>The earliest reference to bigon (yet another spelling) I have in my >>research is 1608, Rachael, but I trust the OED. The raile,rayle >>reference is brilliant Kate, thanks. >> >>Another term that I'm finding difficult to pin down is partlett.There >>are kerchers, neckerchers headkerchers and so on but no partlett. Is >>this because it's a high class garment? >> >>The hardest thing I'm finding in my research is that so much for the >>earlier period is in Latin. Pilum for cap appears and so does camecia >>for smock. Is there such a thing as 'Tudor and Elizabethan latin? >> >>regards >>Joy >>(who is returning to the 17th century asap) >> >Certainly there is Medieval latin, which is clearly distinct from >Classical latin, and you will find dictionaries for it which list the >new meanings of classical words, and the new words invented for new >things.  I'm not sure that 16th century latin would be seen as a >distinct type, but there are probably scholars who specialise in that >period and are familiar with the "dialect" of the time.  However, your >problem is always finding scholars who understand both the latin and the >costume - they may know that pilum means something worn on the head, but >can they distinguish it from other types of hat/cap/veil/hood....? > >Jean > >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 14:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20118 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:19:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJJ290010977; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJJ0r1003420; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21208.mail.yahoo.com (web21208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKJIqr1003320 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:18:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021220191851.57054.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.5] by web21208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:18:51 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jane=20Williams?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <46C03ACC.4DFA2DFD.0074B0C2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:18:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- LSinervo@aol.com wrote: > What is the OED by the way??? Oxford English Dictionary? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 16:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20406 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKL7390018517; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKL71r1027247; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKL6Yr1026962 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-2-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.2.202] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PULo-00010D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 11th century Scottish attire Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:10:33 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I thought you might be amused to hear of a production of Macbeth where the director insists on authentic Scottish dress. As shown in 'Braveheart' best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 16:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20540 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKLo290021859; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKLo1r1019115; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKLnJr1018795 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29950 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:04 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Lecturing in California Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:04 -0600 (CST) Status: RO For those who are interested: I'll be lecturing on Friday, Jan. 24, in Santa Cruz, California, on the Gothic fitted dress and the Greenland gored gown. The lecture is being sponsored by several SCA groups in that area and the kingdom's costuming guild. Seats are limited to 40, many of which are already spoken for, so if you're interested, I'd suggest you contact Rose de LeMans (rose@santiagosmagic.com) or Gianetta del Bene (joycebre@sbcglobal.net) ASAP to sign up. Cost is $5. (There is no non-member surcharge, so if you see a reference to that, ignore it.) You'll find more information here: (follow the link to the flyer) ...or you can email me for a copy of the same flyer. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 18:30:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20809 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:30:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNW490028992; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:32:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNW1r1008499; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNVTr1008165 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30114 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:45:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:45:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Does anyone have any good tests or clues on identifying the metal used in a metallic fabric? The fabric in question is sheer and woven in one direction in gold. The threads in the other direction are probably either silk or rayon. The bolt is very heavy. The metal doesn't burn or melt. (This is what I am told. I haven't yet seen the fabric.) Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal -- e.g. chemical tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything like this for sale online I could compare it to? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 18:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20823 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNg190029710; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNg1r1012563; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41004.mail.yahoo.com (web41004.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKNfrr1012488 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:41:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021220234148.72082.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.73.162] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:41:48 PST From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-390599468-1040427708=:70255" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-390599468-1040427708=:70255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Robin. If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you can determine wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will dissolve gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong acids I cannot remember the name of. Otherwise I have no other bright ideas. Tania Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal -- e.g. chemical tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything like this for sale online I could compare it to? --Robin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-390599468-1040427708=:70255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear Robin.

If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you can determine wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will dissolve gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong acids I cannot remember the name of.

Otherwise I have no other bright ideas.

Tania

Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal --
e.g. chemical
tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything
like this for
sale online I could compare it to?

--Robin


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Sign up now --0-390599468-1040427708=:70255-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 18:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20828 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNi190029838; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNi1r1013330; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20206.mail.yahoo.com (web20206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKNhJr1013081 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:43:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021220234318.19329.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:43:18 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021220143046.12375.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:43:18 +1100 (EST) Status: RO > Your guess is as good as mine. This gown is > relatively > unique--it has a bunch of uncommon things going > on...the stripes, the slashes just around the elbow > area, the front lacing, as well as the flounce. This is perhaps because this is an allegorical painting, and so the artist has used his artistic license to create something that's unusual, whilst still retaining enough of the contemporary look to have his viewers identify with the heroic Lucrezia. Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 18:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20857 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:57:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNx290000824; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNx1r1019348; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNw2r1019005 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30486 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:07:47 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric In-Reply-To: <20021220234148.72082.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:07:47 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Tania Gruning wrote: > If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you can determine > wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will dissolve > gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong acids > I cannot remember the name of. Thanks! Would vinegar be sufficiently acidic to show a difference, or is there another acid I could find around the house that would be better? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 19:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21220 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0K690001964; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0K4r1027468; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail4.kc.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0J3r1027007 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis ([65.26.140.179]) by mail4.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:14:24 -0600 From: "Talia" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C2A854.EDEE6CA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: <20021220234148.72082.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:23:44 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C2A854.EDEE6CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aqua Regia, a combination of nitric and hydrochloric acid. Really nasty stuff. I don't recommend it for home use. Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Tania Gruning Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 5:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric Dear Robin. If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you can determine wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will dissolve gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong acids I cannot remember the name of. Otherwise I have no other bright ideas. Tania Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal -- e.g. chemical tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything like this for sale online I could compare it to? --Robin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Aqua=20 Regia, a combination of nitric and hydrochloric acid. Really nasty = stuff. I=20 don't recommend it for home use.
 
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Dear Robin.

If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you = can=20 determine wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will = dissolve=20 gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong acids = I=20 cannot remember the name of.

Otherwise I have no other bright ideas.

Tania

Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal = --=20
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--Robin


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------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C2A854.EDEE6CA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 19:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21705 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:54:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0u290004066; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0u0r1009489; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0tkr1009394 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-225-220.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.225.220]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBL0s01D026424 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:54:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3E031118.D0738C0E@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 11th century Scottish attire References: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:46:16 -0800 Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Hi all, > > I thought you might be amused to hear of a production of Macbeth where > the director insists on authentic Scottish dress. > As shown in 'Braveheart' > > best wishes > Stevie They scary part is that he could have picked so many worst movies. Face it, the kilt is burned into the mind of most people as being Scottish for all time. I have learned to deal with it, and unless some one is going to start a 12-Step group for it we are lost. I'm still recovering for the Country & Western version of "A Tale of Two City" something's are not meant to be done with a southern accent. -- Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 19:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21711 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:56:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0w290004172; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0w1r1010083; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0vpr1010021 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-225-220.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.225.220]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBL0u61D027171 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3E031196.1F6D11C9@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lecturing in California References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:48:22 -0800 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > For those who are interested: I'll be lecturing on Friday, Jan. 24, in > Santa Cruz, California, on the Gothic fitted dress and the Greenland gored > gown. The lecture is being sponsored by several SCA groups in that area > and the kingdom's costuming guild. > So close and yet so far, as I sit here in Sacramento. -- Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 19:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21715 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0x090004198; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL0x0r1010367; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41005.mail.yahoo.com (web41005.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBL0wSr1010196 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:58:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021221004737.52213.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.73.162] by web41005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:47:37 PST From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2066044546-1040431657=:51691" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:47:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-2066044546-1040431657=:51691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the metal tarnish by being in acid, then it is not gold. Almost all metals will dissolve in Aqua Regia including gold, so that is not really a good way of finding out, but if you have a metal that will not tarnish in normal acids, then the aqua regia test is good for further tests. Do not use aqua regia at home as it demands the use of industrial ventilations. Tania Thanks! Would vinegar be sufficiently acidic to show a difference, or is there another acid I could find around the house that would be better? --Robin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-2066044546-1040431657=:51691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

If the metal tarnish by being in acid, then it is not gold. Almost all metals will dissolve in Aqua Regia including gold, so that is not really a good way of finding out, but if you have a metal that will not tarnish in normal acids, then the aqua regia test is good for further tests.

Do not use aqua regia at home as it demands the use of industrial ventilations.

Tania

Thanks! Would vinegar be sufficiently acidic to show a
difference, or is
there another acid I could find around the house that would
be better?

--Robin


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Sign up now --0-2066044546-1040431657=:51691-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 20:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21767 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:26:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL1S290005229; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL1S1r1019063; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL1Rlr1018990 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:27:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL1TIPN028799 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:29:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3E03C408.1030608@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> <3E031118.D0738C0E@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] now Tale of Two Cities (was: 11th century Scottish attire) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:29:44 -0800 Status: RO Stephen Bergdahl wrote: (Pruning) I'm still recovering > for the Country & Western version of "A Tale of Two City" something's > are not meant to be done with a southern accent. Stephen- I must have dozed off when _that_ came out. What was the name of the...production and who was in it? Just so I know to duck next time it emerges!!! Thanks, Theresa Eacker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 21:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21962 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2K190006994; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2K0r1003335; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2Jer1003248 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gBL2JeW280698 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:19:40 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:19:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > > Thanks! Would vinegar be sufficiently acidic to show a difference, or is > there another acid I could find around the house that would be better? Vinegar is at least worth a try. I'd wet the metal with vinegar and allow it to air dry. Metals other than gold may tarnish. Are you only looking for gold/not gold tests, or do you want something more specific? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 22:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22316 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:33:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3Z8fc010635; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3Z2r1022762; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3YYr1022645 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from VALINOR ([24.103.127.8]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.06 201-253-122-126-106-20020509) with ESMTP id <20021221033428.FMPX4715.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c2a8a1$dc5a1f50$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: References: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3E02A2BD.4A3182D0@in-tch.com> <001301c2a7e7$7ef514b0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> <003501c2a81b$f717a320$01fea8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.127.8] using ID at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:34:27 -0500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:34:25 -0500 Status: RO We're driving down from Toronto...thanks everybody! Now I just have to put up with hubby's whingeing "are you done yet?" -- Maral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? > Just wandering in downtown Manhattan, through those whole streets of fabric > stores! is just the best. And we have found the best stuff that way, which > is why I can't say we have a favorite store. It is about 4+ hours to get > from here in upstate NY to there, so I also don't get there often enough to > have a favorite. But wandering in and out.... sigh, as if I don't have 2 > rooms of fabric now, to support my touchy-feely addiction. > How are you getting there? If you are driving through Central NY, > between Syracuse and Albany, people are always welcome to stop by and stay! > Rowena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herself-the-Elf" < > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:20 AM > > > Hi all, I'm heading down to the US for the holidays and am wondering if > > anybody has any favourite fabric and/or bead stores in Manhattan or > > Northeastern Jersey that they could recommend. Might as well see if I can > > pick up some neat stuff while I'm there...^_^ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 22:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22361 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3r1fc011328; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3r0r1027340; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3qWr1027224 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL4KLaB003130; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:20:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL4KLdC003128; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:20:21 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Stevie Gamble" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 11th century Scottish attire User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> In-Reply-To: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212202320.20998.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBL3qWr1027224 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:20:20 -0500 Status: RO On Friday 20 December 2002 04:10 pm, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought you might be amused to hear of a production of Macbeth where > the director insists on authentic Scottish dress. > As shown in 'Braveheart' I hope the director isn't trying for strict authenticity--the story of "Braveheart" actually takes place in the 14th century.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 20 22:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22365 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3u1fc011424; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3u1r1027979; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL3tgr1027899 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBL4NQaB003151; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:23:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBL4NQti003149; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:23:26 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, LSinervo@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <46C03ACC.4DFA2DFD.0074B0C2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <46C03ACC.4DFA2DFD.0074B0C2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212202323.25746.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBL3tgr1027899 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:23:25 -0500 Status: RO On Friday 20 December 2002 02:12 pm, LSinervo@aol.com wrote: > There is a quote regarding the lack of Elizabeth's clothing that mentions > "biggins" as follows: > > beseeching you to be [a] good lord to my lady...that she may have some > raiment for she hath neither gown, not kirtle nor sleeves, nor railes, nor > body stitchets, nor handkerchiefs, nor mufflers nor biggins. All this her > grace must have. I have driven off as long as I can, that be my troth I can > drive it no longer. Beseeching you my lord that ye will see that her grace > may have that [which] is needful for her. > > This is a cut and paste of Drea's article from her site. > > What is the OED by the way??? The Oxford English Dictionary. The full edition is multi-volume, but my husband and I are lucky to have the Compact OED, which squishes the same text into two thick volumes with nearly microscopic print (the sporting publishers sell you a magnifying glass with each set). -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 00:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22513 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL5B2fc013756; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL5B1r1016761; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL5AJr1016636 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil2216.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.137.216]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL5AKd5023639 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3E03F8CF.82430C71@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:14:55 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Robin. First, anyone who told you that the metal wouldn't melt wasn't using enough heat ;). Strong vinegar should oxidise both silver and copper based metals. The silver blackens and the copper (brass, etc.) will turn green.(after sitting out in the air a while, that is) Heating the solution will enhance it's oxidization properties, as well as stirring. A magnet will eliminate iron or steel, and a home-based lead tester from the hardware store will ID lead in the item. If these don't work, and you haven't already burn-tested the fabric, it might be mylar, which should burn rather nicely. I am not aware of any other metals that might occur in fabrics, so please keep us updated on your progress. None of the above should happen if the metal is real gold of at least 14kt or better, so good luck. Mike T. PS unless you heat it, as gold's melting temp is low. MJT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22628 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:03:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2R190007218; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2R0r1005097; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL2QKr1004926 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31025 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:36:06 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:36:06 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > Thanks! Would vinegar be sufficiently acidic to show a difference, or is > > there another acid I could find around the house that would be better? > > Vinegar is at least worth a try. I'd wet the metal with vinegar and allow > it to air dry. Metals other than gold may tarnish. Are you only looking > for gold/not gold tests, or do you want something more specific? Gold/not gold would be a good start. The goal is to figure out how much the stuff is worth, so we can price it fairly. I don't even have a clue whether there's a name for this type of fabric, other than "metallic." "Cloth-of-gold" probably isn't right from a historic sense, even if it's real gold. But I also don't know what might be sold under that name today. Is there a name for fabric woven of metal threads? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22632 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:04:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKKZ290016478; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKKZ0r1011447; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKKYYr1011192 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26618 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 2002 20:34:28 -0000 Received: from p50801034.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (80.128.16.52) by mail.gmx.net (mp014-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 20:34:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021220191851.57054.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:34:27 +0100 Status: RO > --- LSinervo@aol.com wrote: > >> What is the OED by the way??? > > Oxford English Dictionary? No need for the question mark since that is what it stands for Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22636 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:04:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6Tj90012806; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6S0Iv019329; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6RWIv019214 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-209.244.182.229.dial1.newyork2.level3.net ([209.244.182.229] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OBCV-0004Mm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:27:32 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216122158.00b11b98@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Missing Digests Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:22:54 -0500 Status: RO I seem to be missing digests 1584-1586. Any way to get them remailed (or would some kind soul please forward copies to me)? Thanks in advance, Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:05:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22640 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKKA390014493; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKKA1r1028761; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKK98r1028343 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.165.35]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PTSF-00061w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:09:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.165.57] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Fri Dec 20 15:09:07 EST 2002 Message-ID: <3492439.1040414947645.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> From: Chris Laning To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:10:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO LSinervo@aol.com wrote: >beseeching you to be [a] good lord to my lady...that she may >have some raiment for she hath neither gown, not kirtle nor >sleeves, nor railes, nor body stitchets, nor handkerchiefs, nor >mufflers nor biggins. All this her grace must have. I have >driven off as long as I can, that be my troth I can drive it no >longer. Beseeching you my lord that ye will see that her grace >may have that [which] is needful for her. Yes, and you'll note that everything onward from "sleeves" is plural. Thus "biggins" is plural, "biggin" singular. >What is the OED by the way??? Oxford English Dictionary. Gives citations for how the word is used, with dates. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:06:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22644 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:06:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNm290000300; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKNm1r1014881; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBKNlHr1014635 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18104 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-96.sonic.net [209.148.112.96]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBKNlGq08991 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:47:16 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3E03AC73.3E4DE3B7@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric References: <20021220234148.72082.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:49:07 -0800 Status: RO Jewelers often test metals. You might try searching some sites on collecting antique jewelry. Fran Tania Gruning wrote: > Dear Robin. > > If you try and dissolve the metal in acid, then you can determine > wether it is gold or other metal. The only acid that will dissolve > gold is Royal Water, which is a combination of two really strong > acids I cannot remember the name of. > > Otherwise I have no other bright ideas. > > Tania > > Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal -- > e.g. chemical > tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything > like this for > sale online I could compare it to? > > --Robin > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22653 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:10:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGGhd90008003; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:43:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGGhcS3007355; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:43:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12002.mail.yahoo.com (web12002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGGgiS3006876 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021216164244.11660.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.242] by web12002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:42:44 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] where is everyone? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:42:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi everyone, I didn't get any digests for Friday, Saturday or Sunday or yet for Monday. Is everyone okay or just busy? Could someone who is getting digests forward me on those days' worth? Work is crazy as I work for the Post Office and I read the digests and unwind. Could someone link me up with the information on the silks and velvets display up in Chicago, if it is Chicago? A friend and I are going up to the late Renaissance Florence display in January and are hoping to get the Renaissance silks and velvets display on the same trip. Aren't we ambitious? Drooling over art books while Christmas shopping and saw a copy of The Lute Player by Orazio Gentileschi. Sorry I haven't searched for a link yet but as this is a good angle on the spiral lacing on the side back I was wondering if the slit in the skirt to allow the garment to fit over the hips continued on below the lacing or if they did some sort of dogleg opening like we do for the 1860s. And if it just continues on into the skirt how did they keep the skirt from gaping when they moved or leaned like the lady in the portrait? Perhaps one of you has a better copy of the painting and has some insight. Projects for 2003 start with getting about 4 corsets from Drea's corset generator made up as gifts for my daughter's friends and samples for an impromptu class on Elizabethan corsetry. Thanks to Drea for the creation of the custom corset generator and permission to use it for this class. Then after that it's underwear, blackwork, underwear, embroidery and the Regency class at Penny's site. I've got a huge list of projects for which I already own the materails so I may set myself some iron man projects over the summer. Whoever was making the 1890s house dress please share your pattern source as I have several pictures of housedresses on the top of my stack of items to do for fun. Last question before it's back to the mountains of mail....The greater bay area pattern review reviews a pattern for an 1840s dress from the Texas Chronicle and Sutter's Fort. Does anyone know where this pattern came from and where I can get one, buy or borrow? It is exactly what my curator wants for one of our educational kits and I'm not having any luck running searches for it. Thanks, Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22657 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDM5890020709; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDM501P008614; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDM4L1P008288; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBDM4LAm008287; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:04:21 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: f-costume@net.indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20021213220421.GA27505@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] STAR WARS III costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:04:21 -0700 Status: RO This would be a fun reason to live in a terrific city! ...eliz Wanted: tailors to toil on clothes for far, far away By Garry Maddox, Film Writer December 14 2002 As they head back to Sydney, the makers of the next Star Wars episode have issued a call for help. They need more workers for the costume department on the final episode - the one in which Anakin Skywalker is expected to become Darth Vader. Costume designer Trisha Biggar is seeking "couture-level" sewers, costume cutters, dyers, milliners, jewellery makers and specialists in armour and metal headdresses to start in the new year. Filming on Episode III is expected to begin in about June. "People at a really top-class level are hard to find wherever you're working," says Biggar. "We need more than we were able to find last time we were in Australia. And people move on." The quality is necessary because the costumes for Star Wars have a life beyond the film. They go on tour and many are archived at Skywalker Ranch in California. "We've always aimed to make them as beautifully as we could, so they look as good from the back as the front and you can look inside and they're not going to fall apart immediately filming is finished." Biggar has a fascinating job on one of cinema's great series. Speaking from London, she says the costume department on Attack of the Clones included more than 100 people at its peak. Virtually all were Australian and there were also commissions from local embroidery and beading companies. Biggar says writer-director George Lucas takes cues from different cultures and art periods in creating the Star Wars world, then gives them a twist. She was influenced last time round by Australian art, with one Padme Amidala outfit inspired by the colours in modern Aboriginal paintings. "The quality of the light in Australia is so fantastic, that's also reflected in choices of colours." So what was she trying to achieve with her costumes in Attack of the Clones? For Amidala, played by Natalie Portman, Biggar says the character had grown up while going from queen to senator. "We were able to show her more feminine side, the more womanly side to her character." Anakin, portrayed by Hayden Christensen, had gone from a boy to almost a Jedi. "The idea was obviously to hint to the future. The idea of using leather and the silhouette of his cloak was hopefully going to reflect a little bit on the Darth Vader silhouette." While nothing is certain until they see the script, Biggar says a transition from Anakin to Darth Vader will not change one of cinema's greatest villains. "The fans know how Darth Vader looks and I don't think they'd particularly appreciate a different version suddenly materialising." Those wanting to apply (by sending a CV to the Star Wars production office at Fox Studios) could be employed until August-September next year. This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/13/1039656217578.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22661 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIHl390006674; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIHl1ff008785; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21302.mail.yahoo.com (web21302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBIHktff008726 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:46:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021218174655.5523.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.59.9] by web21302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:46:55 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E000499.E10611FE@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It also put me in mind of this gown: http://cgi.www.sandiegomuseum.org/cgi-bin/www.sandiegomuseum.org/image.pl?mode=&painting=123952&axis=1040233065 It's quite lovely. It's on my list of "things to do when I have more time..." And if you go into the gift shop and ask for an image of this painting, she's NOT listed as by "unknown," she's listed as having been painted by Bronzino. kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22665 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:12:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJ9390022609; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJ91S3000400; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gwdomain.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJ8DS3029761 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gwdomain.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:08:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Pics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:08:09 -0600 Status: RO > Oh my goodness, Bjarne, those photios are HUGE, wonderful, gorgeous, > gobsmacking! *goes to download and drool* Aaaargh. The only thing I get is a tiny little picture; how do I find the big ones so I can drool too? Stevie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had that trouble too. Scroll to the bottom of the page with the small picture and information on that picture. There is a jpg link, click on it for a larger view. Hope that helps, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22671 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:13:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEn290022831; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEn0No025341; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEmFNo025115 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:48:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27691 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:57:59 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Teal wool Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:57:59 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Did anyone on this list buy the teal worsted wool at Fashion Fabrics? I mentioned it a couple of months ago. Please write me directly. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22676 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK09390022664; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK09107010562; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK08C07010122 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.19b.dd25ae4 (18251) for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:08:02 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.dd25ae4.2b33b962@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19b.dd25ae4.2b33b962_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:08:02 EST Status: RO --part1_19b.dd25ae4.2b33b962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, it's happening to me, also! -Julia --part1_19b.dd25ae4.2b33b962_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, it's happening to me, also!
-Julia --part1_19b.dd25ae4.2b33b962_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22681 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:15:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMe290015872; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMe007024755; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMdo07024653 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-023casfrmp129.dialsprint.net ([63.183.8.131]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18P9KX-0001Pd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:39:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:39:59 -0800 Status: RO The chopine and/or patten blanks sound interesting, but I cannot find the original message in the thread: "Chopine blanks for sale!" Where are they they available? Thanks, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22685 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:15:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCKN590009579; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCKN092019551; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCKM692019054 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:22:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19351 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:31:14 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] High-end wools Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:31:14 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I lately stumbled on a trade source (New York) of some really lovely-looking wool fabric. It's out of my price range, but if anyone is doing high-end reproductions or museum work and needs the perfect color/weave, you might find it here: http://www.grabiewoolen.com/ I inquired specifically about twill weaves in worsteds. The owner's son replied that they have these 2x2 twills in 100% Australian merino worsted wool: Gabardine, Flannel, Satin Gabardine, Cavalry, Twill and Satin Twill. Prices are $25.00 - $27.50 per yard for cut pieces (2 to 85 yards) and $l5.68 to $l8.33 for full bolts (80-85 yards). Obviously not for the casual costumer, but anyone with a high-end client might want to bookmark this. These are very reasonable prices for things like wool satin. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22690 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI5m290008611; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBI5m0A6001420; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBI5ldA6001316 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:47:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021218054739.51849.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:47:39 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00d601c2a644$f6ad1380$31baee0c@c59303a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:47:39 +1100 (EST) Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress > > > > Hi, gang. > > Do any of you Italian-knowledgable types (yo! > Bella!) know what part of > > Italy this style of dress would have come from? > > > > > > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 That's by Moretto da Brescia, and as his name implies he worked mainly on the Venetian mainland town of Brescia. As to where exactly it is from, here are some clues, keeping in mind that the portrait is dated to circa 1540.... "2. 1530–54. Moretto continued to travel in the 1530s: on 23 December 1530 he wrote from Milan to Monsignor Savello in Salò about the work of G. G. Antegnati, the organ builder. In 1535 he joined the court of Isabella d’Este at Solarolo, and he was again in Milan in 1541. Correspondents included Pietro Aretino, who wrote thanking him for a portrait (untraced) in 1544. But above all Moretto continued to work in Brescia, buying a house in the S Clemente district in 1533 and becoming increasingly involved in local affairs." Milan or Brescia seem likely, but I'd also hazard a guess that the lady may be from either Ferrarra, or Bergamo, which was then under the jurisdiction of Venice, but had its own unique style. > > It's a bit hard to see in this link, but she's > wearing a striped > > shift--the stripes being black monochrome > embroidery in a linear > > pattern. > > I have seen a few other examples of women wearing > shifts with > > embroidered stripes, but they're (so far) all > earlier or later than this > > particular portrait. Yep. Most of the ones I've seen are earlier than this portrait. You can see other shifts like this on on the Festive Attyre website. Here are a few: > > And what *is* that weird ruffle/collar around her > neck? Has anyone ever > > seen anything else like that? I'm assuming it's > some sort of collar for > > the transparent partlet-thing she's wearing..... That's what it looks like to me too. Notice the bows along both shoulders? If they belong to the "partlet", it's certainly a very unusual style. :) Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22694 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:17:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGL1390008424; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGL12S3008768; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGL0pS3008647 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021216210049.24301.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:00:49 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DFEB97B.19C42C69@2xtreme.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:00:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > > Are there more photos in the book, or do they have them all on the web > site? And thank you for sharing they are too wonderful for words, and > their all MALE!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to see someone doing a display of men's > clothing. There was a BIG exhibition of male clothing in the V&A this summer: Men in Skirts. Lots of wonderful historical costumes and modern skirt-fashion for men. I do agree though Stephen, being the maker of male costumes and almost never female one I can only whine and winge: get it going, there are more than just frock-lovers! *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22703 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKM290005712; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKM107011335; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJKLb07011121 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:21:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBJKLa11023046 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:21:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? In-Reply-To: <011801c2a79c$146fc040$0a734ed5@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:21:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yes, I'm in the US, but if you see one in a 46 long... :) -- Mara On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Melanie Wilson wrote: > There are usually a few in English Charity shops, but I'm guessing you are > in the US ? > > Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:19:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22709 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHG9190003196; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHG90NV015717; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHG8wNV015703 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:08:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-023casfrmp186.dialsprint.net ([63.183.8.188] helo=[158.252.241.156]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OKH6-0003pO-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:18 -0800 Status: RO I cannot find the original message in the thread: "Chopine blanks for sale!" Where are they? Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:20:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22720 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3Q190013004; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC3Q1lT001842; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBC3PMlT001657 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:25:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021212032521.12045.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:25:21 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00cf01c2a18a$6d8114d0$befc8218@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Acetate colour changes (was Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad?) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:25:21 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > Acetate also can eventually change color unevenly -- > one of my first 1860's > ballgowns was made of purple acetate moire, and it > eventually (after 5-8 > years) turned pink in the folds of the skirt. I > remember this topic coming > up on the list , and it seemed the consensus was > that acetate just does > this, and that there's no way to prevent/repair the > damage. I heard this mentioned on another list recently, and went digging around to see if I could find anything on an acetate-related colour-change problem. Here's what I found: >>>>>>>>> As far as I know 'fugitive dye' refers to the dye itself, not any particular problem with the fibre, although acetates do have to be dyed with appropriate dyes in the first place. I couldn't find anything that states there is this problem with *only* with acetate. I did find something on atmospheric fading and ozone fading that is very interesting. Note the words *change of hue* and *change of shade*. If your friend lives in a high pollution area, or burns fuels for warmth, one of these may be what happened to your friend's acetate. Storing it in plastic may also cause changes. There is nothing I can find to indicate that acetate is more likely to have this happen to it though. "OZONE FADING: An irreversible change in hue that when dyed or printed textiles are exposed to ozone. Ozone fading is particularly prevalent under severe conditions of atmospheric pollution. Different from gas fading." GAS FADING: See Atmospheric fading ATMOSPHERIC FADING: Also called Acid fading, Fume fading, and Gas fading. The change of shade exhibited by some dyes, when exposed to certain gases, principally oxides of nitrogen, given off during the burning of fuels. Inhibitors may be used to counteract this tendency or resistant dyes may be used." "Never Store in Plastic Bags - Plastic bags are petroleum-based products. Plastic can break down over time giving off chemicals and fumes that can discolor and destroy fabrics." Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22725 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJX490011848; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJX2r1010150; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKJWWr1009838 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBKJWV11019888 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:32:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal (long) In-Reply-To: <20021220.112712.-161667.0.catpurson@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:32:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, Lalah, one can have one's account hacked by anyone -- credit card, bank account, PayPal account, doesn't matter. It pays to be vigilant and change one's password frequently, regardless of the type of account. If you've had good experiences with PayPal, fine; I haven't had any personal problems, either, but when I saw the email I passed along, I immediately went to PayPal and changed my password, and am going to keep a much closer eye on the account in the future. That was my point. -- Mara On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > Thanks Penny and Margo. When I first jumped in to defend Pay > Pal, I was afraid I was going to be flamed off the list. Nice to know > that they are, indeed, as good as I thought. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22734 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:21:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJE290016595; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJE1V3022890; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFJDHV3022745 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31974 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:22:39 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] High-end wools In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213104123.00a9a8a8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:22:39 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Brenda Bell wrote: > >I lately stumbled on a trade source (New York) of some really > >lovely-looking wool fabric. It's out of my price range, but if anyone is > >doing high-end reproductions or museum work and needs the perfect > >color/weave, you might find it here: > >http://www.grabiewoolen.com/ > > Oooohhhhh...... aaaaahhhhhhh..... pretty...... and within a 20-min. > bus or bicycle ride from Mom's place in Queens. (And to think I never > knew they were there...) They're probably wholesale only, and probably don't have a storefront, if I'm guessing right. If you go, you might want to inquire ahead via phone or email, in case they don't take walk-in business. They offered to send me a color card of the types I was interested in; you might ask if you can come by in person to see samples, and to pick up yardage. I also don't know if they sell only "to the trade." Not an issue for me, and probably not an issue for anyone buying from out-of-state, as out-of-staters don't pay sales tax on mail orders and thus don't need a NY state tax number. But the wholesale restriction may prevent them from selling directly in the store. > >I inquired specifically about twill weaves in worsteds. The owner's son > >replied that they have these 2x2 twills in 100% Australian merino worsted > >wool: Gabardine, Flannel, Satin Gabardine, Cavalry, Twill and Satin Twill. > >Prices are $25.00 - $27.50 per yard for cut pieces (2 to 85 yards) > > ***2-yard*** and up cut pieces? <*eyes brighten; ears perk up*> Yes. Their low minimum (2 yards, which is probably called a "sample cut") is unusual in wholesaling. $27.50 is a very good price for wool satin, in particular, and the color range is huge. If you contact them, tell me how it works out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22744 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMR190023497; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMR0lT003832; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMQglT003689 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-010casfrmp166.dialsprint.net ([158.252.241.168]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MEqo-0000tj-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:57:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Moorish garb, was De-lurking...with a medieval question. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:56:49 -0800 Status: RO From: "Herself-the-Elf" >my guy. I don't think he's likely to want to wear a houppelande or some >such, and definitely not the silly shoes. So I'm trying to think of >something different that would still be period (late 14th to early 15th c). >He's got dark skin, so I was thinking maybe a nifty Moorish costume of some >sort. Does anybody have any information on Moorish (or any >middle-eastern/North African) costume of this era? I haven't been able to >find much detailed info online... > >-- Maral I have a fair amount of stuff on my website which is devoted to al-Maghrib (i.e, Western North Africa, aka Morocco, Algerian, Tunisia) and al-Andalus http://witch.drak.net/lilinah If you have more questions, ask me. Anahita al-Qurtubiyya _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22748 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH7tA90015687; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH7t1Iv011043; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBH7sYIv010958 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:54:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021217075433.48704.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:54:33 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000501c2a55c$5a661910$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I was very surprised how beautifull blue wool looks with gold embroidery. It's actually purple, Bjarne. I have an exhibition catalogue on thse clothes from the late 1980s, and the suit is a wonderful deep purple colour, like the one in the detail picture. Re the opening, the asymmetrical one, though it's almost my period of study, I still have to say that I don't have a clue why they did this. ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22752 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:24:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGK1190028972; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGK10S3001298; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGK0xS3001211 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpntvJdMWxbS143HSClVQos4jbOwf2ZWnw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HK65ZDWK; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:00:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! Message-ID: <20021216.134115.-241363335.6.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:41:15 -0600 Status: RO Look in their catalog under 'Miscellaneus' and go to the bottom of the page. There's no picture but they are listed as $60 Aus. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22756 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:24:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8W190026878; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8W1lT025641; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBC8VLlT025552 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:31:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021212083026.38245.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:30:26 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen cloak, was next years projekts. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021210193621.01ee9d50@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Kevin + Mara wrote: > I can think of one problem with this -- if it snows, the linen will get > wet, of course, and damp. Wool repels water somewhat and you'll be able to > brush most of the snow off, and even when wool gets wet it still keeps you > warm. I agree, and would like to add, if you spray the bejeezus out of your woolen cloak with a water repellent spray (I can't think of the right term, that stuff that is used for furniture as well) then it works a treat. My linen hood gets wet quite easily and then sags and hangs and takes ages to dry, but a woolen one over it and a cloak (both sprayed) works beautifully. Also, linen doesn't keep you warm. While I love it, it doesn't have good insulating properties in the cold, only in the warm. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22761 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:25:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJF390000132; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJF107006625; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJEM07006313 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23850 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:24:02 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:24:02 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Try taking the "s" off "fabrics." The URL is: http://www.trimfabric.com --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22767 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHa290022218; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHa0V6014452; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHZIV6014038 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBJHZH11029305 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:35:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment In-Reply-To: <3E01132D.8030205@misc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > > > These are probably too late (as in period-wise), but the Musee d'Orsay sells > > some beautiful reproduction jewelry based on paintings in their collection. > > They have a couple of pearl drop earrings. > > > > http://www.shop.musee-orsay.fr/EN/gamme.asp?gamme%5Fid=5 > > > > - Kendra Oooh, thank you! Well, the Georges de la Tour earrings might just work... - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22772 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMd390024563; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMd0lT009981; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBMcblT009773 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14752 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:47:41 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? In-Reply-To: <00d601c2a157$3c254f60$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:47:41 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or > plaid? I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com I work for the brick-and-mortar store, so I get to see a lot of this stuff. Wool comes and goes. Probably not much more coming this season. Search on "100% wool" from the search form. Note the worsted wools in red, green, and navy for $6-$7 per yard. These will be fine, smooth wools (think men's suits, but better colors) good for fitted dresses and the like, not wool cloaks. Someone already bought all the teal worsted I had my eye on, though, at $6/yard. I believe you'll also find some decent blends; I haven't looked. http://www.periodfabric.com/ Never ordered from them, but got the recommendation from someone on this list. Looks promising. http://www.trimfabric.com/ As someone already mentioned. http://www.fabricclub.com/ Occasional wools, including worsteds. I've ordered other fabrics from them and have been happy with the service. http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/index.html Use the category list to go to "Woolens." Selection is sparse, very few solids, maybe some gems here and there. I haven't ordered from them, but they're mentioned a lot. http://www.voguefabricsstore.com/ My favorite brick-and-mortar store (four stores in the Chicago area) now has some online shopping, though it's just a tiny fraction of what's in the store, from what I can tell. If I had a specific request, I'd be not at all hesitant to call them and ask what they have in some particular type or color. I will probably email them soon and ask if they have a 100% wool worsted in Wedgwood blue; I've had no luck finding one, and it's holding up the rest of my work. Canadians might want to keep an eye on this one: http://www.reallygoodfabricstore.com/index.html Not much selection yet, but it looks like the site is still in progress. > What about wool/poly blends vs. 100% wool? I know 100% is better, but > blends are more plentiful and affordable :-) If the price is right, it's a good compromise. A blend will wear and work better than a total synthetic. The more wool in the blend, the better. I'd watch for a wool/rayon blend over a wool/poly, but wool/poly seems to be more numerous. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22776 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:28:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFD690023970; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:13:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFD0No003410; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKFCWNo003265 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:12:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27878 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:22:16 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress In-Reply-To: <20021220143046.12375.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:22:16 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > --- michaela wrote: > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > > How about on the arm that's outstretched? There is a more prominant > > poof happening there. I see what you mean baout the bend, > > it really does look like the sleeve closest to the veiwer has a poof > > created just fromt he bend, > > but the arm holding the sketch has an even biger bump. Perhaps this is the artist's means of showing foreshortening -- that is, the arm is bent, but bent away from us, so her arm is not outstretched but curved toward us so we can't see the angle of the elbow. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22781 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD51m9g012315; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD4u1Jj025992; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD4ttJj025935 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:55:50 -0800 Received: from 68.67.176.192 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:55:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.67.176.192] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 04:55:50.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[E873A430:01C2A263] Subject: [h-cost] Noel Noel! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:55:49 -0800 Status: RO Hi everyone -- Thought perhaps in honor of the season some of the late period gang at least would like to see the new page I've added to the Renaissance site. Keeping an Elizabethan Christmas is at Let me know what you think! MaggiRos ~The Elizabethan World is http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22787 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5n290019418; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5n1lT013560; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f66.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5mMlT013404 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:48:17 -0800 Received: from 65.67.60.169 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:48:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.60.169] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] next years projects. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 05:48:17.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[11B602B0:01C2A1A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:48:17 +0000 Status: RO I'm coming into this late - had an attack of real life and my email got away from me... Next Year's Projects (in no particular order) -at least one pair of salvar, preferably two, for Him -a kataginu (Japanese vest) for Him -a shirt based on the Islamic one in Burnham's Cut my Cote for Him -a Jacobean jacket by the first weekend in Fabruary for me -a GFD for me -a partlet for me (another layer of sun protection is always a Good Idea!) -finsh my Italian corded stays -an Italian gown to go over those corded stays -my own pair of salvar and other things as time permits... Mary/Katerine _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22796 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:30:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGw290019241; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGw0V6023900; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJGv6V6023434 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtaPW7bh2PntV8WIOpQ5+FkSIA5CXMridw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLEJPAV2; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:56:59 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown Message-ID: <20021219.114819.-395517.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,21-22,24-26 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:48:19 -0500 Status: RO <<< I originally thought it was just a tuck in the skirt fabric too. However, the actual skirt appears to be furred (from the little bit you see down the center front) but the peplum doesn't have the same fur, nor does it have the bulk which fur would give it. Also, it doesn't, as you mentioned, appear to be pinned. And if you add to that the occasional references to "skirted bodices", you can deduce that it is probably a peplum (skirted bodice) as opposed to a tucked skirt (something I haven't seen referred to in Italian clothing descriptions>>> I would hate to have to dress anyone in that kind of garb if that is a skirted bodice. The stripes match exactly and the folds are exactly the same as the skirt. Now, this may be due to the painter, but unless it was a quirk of all painters of the time, it doesn't seem likely considering the number of pictures that show this line. At first I thought it was cartridge pleating done with the folded part outside instead of inside, but some of the gathers are not even enough. As far as the fur goes, I seriously doubt that even in times of "pleasingly plump" ladies they would have wanted that much added to their waistline, so I expect the fur didn't start right at the waist. It would be far easier to have a band of linen with the fur attached so the waist would bulge. Just the observations of an old seamstress who is new to the middle ages. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22801 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:31:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFR490013908; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFR1SD009015; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFQwSD008984 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:26:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3966F1E1F03; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:26:54 +0000 (GMT) To: From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021212152654.3966F1E1F03@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Subject: [h-cost] Codpieces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:26:54 GMT Status: RO Christina L Biles wrote : > There is a style of German Renn codpieces where the codpiece is slashed in > a couple of places on either side and fabric is pulled through. In the > more extreme cases, huge swags of fabric are pulled through, looking > rather like a gigantic bow How very.... subtle? Thinks: that would be quite a quick modification to make to an existing garment? Could you point me at any pictures of this sort of thing, so I can show the intended victim what he has to look forward to? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22805 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGGg490007824; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGGg1S3006442; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGGfCS3005860 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBGGfCZC005853 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:41:12 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Message-ID: <20021216164112.GG24118@net.indra.com> References: <20021216142932.21863.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c2a519$4c336fc0$ec4d22d9@dan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002101c2a519$4c336fc0$ec4d22d9@dan> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:41:12 -0700 Status: RO On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 03:39:18PM -0000, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Aaaargh. The only thing I get is a tiny little picture; how do I find > the big ones so I can drool too? Clink on the link in the last line of the table, the one that ends in '.jpg'. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:33:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22809 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:33:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2t790011680; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:55:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2t0lT022293; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC2s9lT021992 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:54:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16043; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:03:12 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Catherine Olanich Raymond cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bumrolls, was Fox tails, was Re: [h-cost] Tudor question In-Reply-To: <200212112201.17327.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:03:12 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > ... You can find some earlier threads on this > > topic collected at . > > [rest of text cut] > > Robin, if you ever make a sketch of your idea as to what support > structure the "wheel" farthingale may have had, I'd appreciate it if > you could post a URL to it or send me (privately) an image of same. I believe there's a pretty detailed description in the collection of posts at the URL above, including notes on construction. At some point I'll find someone who can fit into the costume Verna and I made so I can get some decent photos. I've had two kids and will never be able to wear it myself again :-P --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22813 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDsK90020621; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDsJNo010344; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKDrvNo010188 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:53:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBKDrvKl010187 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:53:57 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT.Eliz vs problems Message-ID: <20021220135357.GJ8755@net.indra.com> References: <20021220031929.GA8755@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:53:57 -0700 Status: RO FYI, if your email address bounces mail back for several days (3-5, depending on list volume), you will be automatically unsubbed from the list. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22817 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:34:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIR590014656; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIR0V3011700; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIQsV3011671 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil2079.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.137.79]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFIUosg015857 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFCCA9F.3541DB62@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye resources? References: <20021209161850.E49146-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:31:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi. You can try San Francisco Herb Company. I believe they are online, although I don't have their address to hand. We have gotten cream of tartar and madder root from them, as well as a number of other cooking and herbal items. They sell in large volumes and I think they have a 100 dollar minimum order. You can get a hardcopy catalog, too. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22825 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGd1AC017735; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJGS1V6008244; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m3.nyc.untd.com (m3.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJGRUV6007959 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"dBh/I51fsHv9NCoYYJioTIYR9PjCT3lr7fkE+FphMRDYK0gL8tV2+w=="> Received: (from spynnere@juno.com) by m3.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLEGX7QG; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:26:54 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com, SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20021219.112603.292.9.spynnere@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,14-15,27-28,31-34 From: spynnere@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] The camisa margomada Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:26:02 -0500 Status: RO Gentle Cousins, I am posting this to both clothing lists I am on, so my apologies to those of you who get this twice! There is a woman in my local group who is interested in 13th century Spanish clothing. While I do not have a great deal of interest myself, the 'hunt' for clues has been a lot of fun, and I have become slightly (*very* slightly) conversant on the subject, as the clothes are so different from English clothes. Isabel (my friend) has a photo-copy of Gomez-Moreno's book, and her mother just brought her two volumes that discuss the frescos in the Alhambra--these are paper-bound, in orange and black. (I neglected to mention my knowledge of Spanish is 20-some odd years ago for one year of high school Spanish!) One of the volumes from the Alhambra has an illumination from the Cantigas (and I don't remember who commissioned the cantigas). This shows a woman embroidering a 'camisa margomada', and Isabel has figured out where the embroidery is placed on the camisa, from some other illuminations from the cantigas. In the book on the Alhambra, the discussion of the camisa margomada includes a photograph of embroidery on an "Almohada" of San Fernando, and the textile in question is from the Capilla Real in Madrid. Because the motif on the textile resembles the embroidery on the camisas in the Cantigas illuminations, Isabel was wondering if anyone knew what kind of stitch(es) was/were used on that textile, since she has not been able to track down a good photo of a recovered camisa margomada (if any of them have even been recovered). The photo of the "Almohada" in the book from the Alhambra was simply not good enough to distinguish details, although we did wonder if some kind of a counted thread stitch was used. Thanks for taking time to read this (long!) question! Elizabeth ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22829 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLa190011226; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLa007020049; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJLZk07019904 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.147] (pm5-147.eos.net [205.133.149.147]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09187 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:35:43 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021219044701.646.73869.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: italian gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:32:21 -0500 Status: RO Well, I don't think it looks too small at all. The bodice looks tight, yes, but not too small. And the rest of it looks like . . . well, I still stick by my "overstuffed upholstery" opinion. The puffs are all way too puffy, and they look stuffed with something, not like they are just puffs of fabric. It may very well be painted just as it was (in which case -- ugh!) but as other people have pointed out, similar dresses are shown much less extreme. So you could go with a toned-down version. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22837 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEB490021179; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEB2No014670; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f39.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKE45No012761 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:01:21 -0800 Received: from 204.22.6.152 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:01:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.22.6.152] From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 14:01:21.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[46A10710:01C2A830] Subject: [h-cost] Norfolk jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:01:21 -0500 Status: RO I just remembered another source - check www.historyinthemaking.org , look under "men's coustume" Kelly _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22841 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJE190004412; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJE092013259; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f255.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJD292012707 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:00 -0800 Received: from 64.123.15.177 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:13:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.123.15.177] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 19:13:00.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CEC09B0:01C2A212] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:13:00 +0000 Status: RO That was supposed to be $5 a yard. :) And I'm so glad I was able to help you out! (wg) Mary/Katerine > >On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > > > I'm not Robin either, but I got some gorgeous lightweight wool for $% > > a yard here - > > > > http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com/home/index.cfm > >Mary's apparently the one who bought up the teal wool I was agonizing >over. And a good thing for me, too, as the last thing I need is more >greenish stuff. I look wretched in green. But the wool was SOOO gorgeous. >(It's sold out and technically no longer accessible on the site, but you >can see it here: >) > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:38:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22849 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJH0w90019536; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:00:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJH0vV6025516; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:00:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBJGviV6023742 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:57:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29797 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 2002 16:57:38 -0000 Received: from pd9e4fa16.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (217.228.250.22) by mail.gmx.net (mp019-rz3) with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 16:57:38 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021219.112426.-395517.1.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:57:38 +0100 Status: RO > I did a lot of buying and selling on eBay a year or so ago and > used Pay Pal. They had my electronic checking information and NEVER did > anything that I had not approved. I don't really think you have to worry > about them. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender I have been using PayPal for over two years and have never had a problem at all with it and sending money to my American bank account using my German credit card, receiving from others or sending to others and now recently sending to and from my German bank account. Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22853 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:39:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGLTK90010795; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGLT3S3023902; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGLSPS3023481 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmQTBUhLHgjoTxuEny/6z9nKgFCxTL8DKQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HK7AY3YR; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:27:50 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) Message-ID: <20021216.162248.-572943.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-9 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:22:47 -0500 Status: RO <<< What's this for? >>> Best guess would be the opening starts at the collar and then goes across the chest and ends at the side. It would give a smoother line down the front and eliminate and gaps between hooks if the wearer gained an ounce or two. Ladies used stays to keep the front closed in a straight neat line when the opening was in the front. But it is just my guess. I was so awed by the embroidery I almost forgot the question. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:40:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22860 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3s090007363; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3s0Ct021853; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f38.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBG3rqCt021790 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:52:39 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:52:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Barbie historical costumes-vogue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 03:52:39.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[9416CAC0:01C2A4B6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:52:39 -0800 Status: RO Have any of you made the Vogue or other companies' Barbie clothes? Some of the retro/historical doll clothes patterns are prettier than ours!! Theirs even come with hat and bag instructions unlike life sized patterns for the most part. I can't stand to work with pieces that small, but I do love to see other people's creations!! Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! > > No, sorry I forgot to say that they are from the Burda pattern mag for >Barbie > > costumes, that is out of print, but I thought the list would enjoy the > > costumes. > >They make me wish I was Barbie. Beautiful! Did you make the gowns? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22864 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMk590002187; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:46:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMk2uZ021307; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMjDuZ020802 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip169.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.169]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBIMjA11012057 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:41:38 -0500 Status: RO Ok, folks, I am annoyed. I found the PERFECT earrings for the Susannah Fourment outfit on the web site of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Unfortunately, when I ordered them, I got a message saying that they are out of stock and won't be restocked. The earrings are here: http://www.metmuseum.org/store/st_family_viewer.asp?familyID={2AE28399-45B2-11D4-937D-00902786BF44}&shopperID=&FromPage=catjewelry&familyNo=13&catID={0373D311-9571-11D5-9402-00902786BF44} (or here http://www.metmuseum.org/store/images/Z.jw.I1176.I1930.L%281%29.jpg) These are the earrings I'm trying to find: http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rubens/rubens_susanna_fourment.jpg.html As you can see, the details are a bit sketchy, but I figure that if Rubens used this style of earring in the Venus painting, it's possible he used the same style in the Susannah Fourment portrait as well. Has anyone seen these earrings, or earrings like them, for sale elsewhere? poutingly, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22868 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBNq390001045; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBNq0lT017066; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f166.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBNpClT016652 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:51:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:47:42 -0800 Received: from 24.247.24.41 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:47:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.247.24.41] From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 23:47:42.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2852FF0:01C2A16F] Subject: [h-cost] brown polished cotton Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:47:42 -0500 Status: RO Brown polished cotton is available at Needle & Thread in Gettysburg, PA. (USA). I believe it is in the neighborhood of $8/yard. They do not have a web site but are willing to ship items via mail. Their number is (717)334-4011. They are quite lovely people to deal with. Hope this helps - Kelly (who now returns to lurkdom, thinking about the 20 yards of brown polished cotton she purchased in Chicago for $2/yard several years ago and has been carefully allocating to "worthy" projects) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22873 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:42:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIK190017593; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIK0S3003001; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIHbS3001634 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBGIHb7N001632 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:37 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Message-ID: <20021216181737.GK24118@net.indra.com> References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <20021216143810.GD24118@net.indra.com> <3DFEB798.48CBC3C6@2xtreme.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DFEB798.48CBC3C6@2xtreme.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:37 -0700 Status: RO Elizabeth Lear wrote: > Too bad my husband's persona is Chinese ... Stephen Bergdahl: > Forgive me Eliz, but my first thought when I read that was, "Well that > can be changed, either the persona or the husband." That is a change, on both counts! He used to be a Viking. And my first husband's persona is Russian. :) ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22879 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:43:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCCl390006627; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCCl0lT020277; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCCkWlT020197 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:46:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.176]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H70000W1BHKKP@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021212044458.00a68770@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 3 costume books at once, e-bay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:46:28 -0800 Status: RO "3 COSTUME HISTORY BOOKS-ONE PRICE-WOW! Item # 1904267608" It says: "Here are three classics of costume history: 20,000 YEARS OF FASHION by Boucher, HISTORY OF COSTUME by Blanche Payne and THE BOOK OF COSTUME by Mila Davenport" Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22886 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHr390015384; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHr1S3017262; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGHqYS3017035 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-225-18.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.225.18]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBGHoj1D027536 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3DFEB97B.19C42C69@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm References: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:43:23 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th > to 18th century. > They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. > Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes > Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another one i > must have!!! > There are wonderfull pictures here: > http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm > Bjarne Are there more photos in the book, or do they have them all on the web site? And thank you for sharing they are too wonderful for words, and their all MALE!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to see someone doing a display of men's clothing. -- Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22890 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGAI590019737; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGAI0Ct012809; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGAHJCt012644 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-234.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.234]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1437F80 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DFDA828.3080401@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Loose gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:12 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I added a pattern of my loose gown to my website! :-) http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html And I this week I will add more pictures!! Greetings, Deredere http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22894 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE6H90009232; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE64lT011060; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCE5MlT010860 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:05:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mail.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.195]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBCE5ND15554 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 costume books at once, e-bay From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021212044458.00a68770@mail.frys.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:05:08 -0500 Status: RO Both of these are regularly available on used-book sites. And the price doesn't get driven up like on e-bay. Jessamyn On 12/12/02 7:46 AM, "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" wrote: > "3 COSTUME HISTORY BOOKS-ONE PRICE-WOW! Item # 1904267608" > > It says: "Here are three classics of costume history: 20,000 YEARS OF > FASHION by Boucher, HISTORY OF COSTUME by Blanche Payne and THE BOOK OF > COSTUME by Mila Davenport" > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22898 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKM490011498; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKM11P016251; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDKLf1P016078 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBDKLdBF010283 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212132021.gBDKLdBF010283@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "lotsofteapots@charter.net" at Dec 11, 2002 02:24:37 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:21:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. Heather > > Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? > I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > So many books, so little time > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > > > > But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be > > happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar more > > a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've found > > wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than you're > > thinking of paying for this poly. > > > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22902 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:47:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEF9590024359; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEF911P008155; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEF7x1P007735 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.107] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A8081680142; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c2a382$ff5dab80$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <00c501c2a350$bef2f5a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:10:52 -0500 Status: RO Penny, your quilt is going to be gorgeous! I love the bamboo background and the use of the costumed figures as cameos. Looking forward to the growing canvas. I am working with a piece of the black and white Erte print made up as an Asian vest. Using bugtail-rattail satincord, I am embellishing various ribbon themes on the models. The total effect is going to be classy, I think. Kathleen " To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View > Okay, I pieced two images together and now you can see a full view of the > second quilt block I made. http://www.costumegallery.com/Quilt/block2.jpg > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > http://www.onlinecostumeball.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:49:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22907 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGBN290021323; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGBN0Ct025413; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGBMgCt025341 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:22:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-234.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.234]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1389119FE8D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:22:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DFDB77C.3050704@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dating help patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:22:36 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I need some help with dating these patterns. I know that they are not historical correct. But it would be nice if I can atleast put some dat to them. S8910 Christmascarol S7212 S5958 S9723 S9713 Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22913 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJN7390017814; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJN7107008838; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJN6P07008574 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:06:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f7b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.123]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 291E7480955 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:06:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c2a7b3$7d42ce70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto costume book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:08:05 +0100 Status: RO Hi. Did any of you notice the stunning beautifull Elizabethan Jacket in the large Costume book from Kyoto? There is only a small picture and only part of the jacket in the book. Why in heavens name, did they not give us a full picture of the Jacket, now it is so rare with Elizabethan Jackets. It looks as if it is embroidered with stump work all over the jacket, small individual flowers. Have any og you seen this jacket photographed any other places? I am most greatfull for this book. It really enlightens me with lots of informations of dresses that were scarcely not shown anywhere else. The dresses of the 1790ies and turn of the century to 1800 are very very interresting, and those kind of dresses have never ben shown before. Also the robe battante dress (early 1700) was mostly welcome. I am very pleased with this book, but it is a shame about this Elizabethan jacket. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22917 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGEBK9c026614; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGE90Ct003246; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGE8ZCt003030 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:08:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beba.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.186]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 24FE74804E8 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:08:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c2a50d$27f63540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:12:23 +0100 Status: RO Hi. There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th to 18th century. They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another one i must have!!! There are wonderfull pictures here: http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22921 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILB290023802; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILB1uZ001036; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILA4uZ000516 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.105]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7C005WJ2SRBA@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress In-reply-to: <3DFFE490.AF059EC8@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021218124534.050608d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:46:59 -0800 Status: RO >Thing is, as round as I am (and short), this would be a really, really >unattractive style for me--even on the sitter in the painting, the dress >looks too small. Probably because it really is too small. The 'my cup runneth over' look is unflattering on anyone. But if yours fit like the ones in all the other Italian paintings from this period, you'd look fine. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22925 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCLm490017097; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCLm2Wt006554; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCLlRWt006186 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-227-167.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.227.167]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBCLju1D017405 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:45:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF902C6.E8DD297D@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects References: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:42:30 -0800 Status: RO On the plate for next year are: New SCA tourney clothes For myself (9th Century Rus), Heidi (9th Century Middle Eastern still not sure where, but we are working on it) Raymond (9th Century Byzantine) And Uncle Dizzy who we just try to keep from looking too mundane. New Renn Faire Costumes - White Damask Noble, trimmed in blue for me (As soon as Margo gets the pattern done) New green wench costume for Heidi (I try, really I do!), A red velvet long gown for Raymond, (he is walking so it's out of lower class into noble, his Mom can play wet nurse.) Add more trim and beads to Dizzy's Green Man Costume Start work on the Holly King and the Oak King for Dizzy (Can't tell he likes the Green Man) Figure out and make the costumes for the Masquerades at Costume Con 21 For Historical I am thinking of making an Undertaker's Suit - Civil War 1864 - All I have to find is gold teeth for the watch chain. No clue for the Fantasy yet. But it must be bright, and strange. ( Ask Teddy for ideas) Get ready to teach Classes at Costume Con 21 Hold Local Paper tape dummy class Make a Paper Tape Dummy Video - For Sale at a later date. I will be mentoring two of the High School Students at Raymond's school for their senior projects. (That should be fun!) Heidi needs work clothes By wardrobe is to dull, and needs up dating. And I will be teaching 6 classes at the Costume Classroom. As well as doing the Research on lower class men's clothing, and working on my Viking's kitchen. I also want to do an article for TI on children's costumes that grown with them. Right now I need a dose of chocolate and a nap. Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:53:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22929 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:53:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJR390024145; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJR2S3010456; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (mail.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJQoS3010285 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [167.142.15.105] (HELO hppav) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 199274772 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:26:49 -0600 Message-ID: <02ad01c2a539$0e8dfb20$690f8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <3E9B48D8.7AA0B8C5@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Day - Last Notice!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:26:38 -0600 Status: RO sounds like fun. In what state/country is this event being held? Denise landofoz@netins.nett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22937 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:54:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD52290012360; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD521Jj027481; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD51wJj027461 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:01:58 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ItalianPersona] Early Italian Thread-Index: AcKBzwd1nMfJlQTfT7agdR/PEvWrIgglDOceAABL76k= From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBD51wJj027461 Subject: [h-cost] Giovanni del Biondo - Altarpiece of the Baptist Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:01:57 -0800 Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm searching for a large picture in a book of Giovanni del Biondo's Altarpice of the Baptist (1360's Florence). I've looked at the online versions and the picture I need is a small one on the lower right hand side - the online sites don't have enough resolution for me to be able to zoom it up enough to see details. I have a copy in my catalog from the Uffizi, but it's going to pixelate (sp?) if I zoom it up too much. If anyone out there can refer me to something, I'd be eternally grateful! Thanks, Colleen (who will someday finish this 14th century Italian project....) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22943 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5o190019482; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5o0lT013888; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5nmlT013803 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:49:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a21.in-tch.com [66.62.107.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBC5XjD13379 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:33:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DF82395.55C4D5F2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:50:13 -0700 Status: RO Oh, you are a horrible, horrible person! My credit cards are *doomed* to meltedness after poking around in those lovely Italian wools and linens..... doomed, I tell you, doooooooommmmmeeeeedd...... --sue Christina L Biles wrote: > > >>>Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? > I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) > > I'm obviously not Robin, but... > http://www.trimfabric.com/ > > -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22947 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:55:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCNs790027016; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:54:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCNs1Jj017147; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCNrOJj016861 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from p26-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.90] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Md8r-0007mg-00; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:53:22 +1300 Message-ID: <012801c2a239$acbc91b0$5accadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <11.45373ac.2b28f631@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0125_01C2A2A6.A2E40AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:53:30 +1300 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C2A2A6.A2E40AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we've been talking about the difference between wool and poly imitations, but not about the difference between, say, acetate and = real silk. What are the differences there, in terms of feel, drape, = etc.? Sorry about the runaway computer. Acetate: Weak, falls apart easily, = especially if wet, frays, HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!, other than that, behaves = more like natural than other synthetics ie. wrinkles, drapes, shrinks. Not to mention acetate dissolves in acetone: ie nail polish remover. = Unless of course you have acetone free stuff;) michaela reformatted computer, no must think of new and exciting signature.... ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C2A2A6.A2E40AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Sorry about the runaway computer.  Acetate: Weak, = falls=20 apart easily, especially if wet, frays, HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!, other than = that,=20 behaves more like natural than other synthetics ie. wrinkles, drapes,=20 shrinks.

Not to mention acetate dissolves in acetone: ie nail polish = remover. Unless=20 of course you have acetone free stuff;)
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C2A2A6.A2E40AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22961 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:56:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8X190026893; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8X1lT025837; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8WvlT025823 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:32:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.168]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id gBC8bU930415 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:37:31 +1100 Message-ID: <047b01c2a1b9$579501c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20021211142424.53484.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:19:29 +1100 Status: RO Hi Anne, The biggest concern I have with synthetic fabric use is fire! When I reenact there are always candles or oil lamps around, and when we cook it's on a fire. If natural fabric clothes get brushed by fire, it's no major deal, but the polyester or acrylic ones are much more likely to melt and wreck the clothing and in extreme cases can cause major damage to the skin. I've found by trial-and-error on the clothes I made years ago when we just couldn't get decent wools that if there's a bit of man-made fibre in a blend (not sure how much - I think it was around 5-10%), it won't be too bad when accidents happen, but it does cause minor damage to the clothing. I wouldn't go for 100% man-made fabric if you're going to be around fires with it. Glenda. > > Has anybody else made a period garment with > fabric which looks right (at least to begin > with), but is totally synthetic, and what > happened? > Thanks in advance, > > Anne =) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22965 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:57:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD22290004079; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD220Jj003333; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD21TJj003181 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.103]) by mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 7473746; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:01:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Cc: Margo Anderson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:01:20 -0500 Status: RO At 8:52 AM -0800 12/12/02, Margo Anderson wrote: >Oh, heavens. The projects for the next year: > >Professional: Produce the Elizabehtan Comfort Package (kirtle and loose >gown) and scale down the Lady's and Gentleman'n patterns to create the >Elizabethan Girl and the Elizabethan Boy. Do a second edition of the >Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe, this time incorporating intructions for using >the patterns to create lower class costume. Work with Drea to create the >16th Century Flemish Market Woman's package. Look for additional capital >to make all of the above possible (any potential investors out there, feel >free to contact me!) While you're adding the instructions to the Lady's pattern, would it be possible to copy them into a separate booklet or set of sheets for those of us who have the first edition? I know I'm far more interested in common than noble wear, and would love to have this info as a supplement. I'd expect it not to be free, btw. :) It sounds like a very busy year! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22969 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:58:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFNA590025373; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFNA1V3016823; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.kc.rr.com (fe7.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.162.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFN9hV3016735 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com ([65.30.107.115]) by mail7.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:04:12 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215170908.009f7890@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos In-Reply-To: <001601c2a471$c8695080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20021215145416.74625.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:12:14 -0600 Status: RO At 08:40 PM 12/15/02 +0100, you wrote: >If they only had made Barbie with a corseted body, i would have made some >dresses years and years ago, but it looks so silly with these breasts. >(sorry ladies, no offence) > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk Actually, some Barbie customizers do body modifications on the dolls. You can actually chop the chest off & remodel it using modeling compound that can be purchased at hobby stores. I've seen pictures of great mermaids and centaurs with this technique. Sheryl Nance-Durst (Who just finished customizing a Ken doll into The Crow for her nephew.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 01:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22977 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2k390000490; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2k107002911; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK2j407002611 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 10770525 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:44:58 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c2a7d1$adc70520$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:44:11 -0600 Status: RO I have been getting very few messages this week, but thought the list was going through a slow spell again... ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF There's no such thing as too many books! lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? > I am only getting h-costume every 3 or so volumns.. > > > I am missing about 20 of them now???? Anyone else thisis happening to? > > -- > Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22986 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJo590026876; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJo1S3024163; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGJnDS3023644 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-77-236.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.77.236] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18O1Em-0001Id-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:49:12 +0000 Message-ID: <005601c2a53c$c2e985a0$ec4d22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm Pics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:53:10 -0000 Status: RO Catherine, It did indeed; thank you very much! Some marvellous and indisputably droolworthy things:-) best wishes Stevie > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I had that trouble too. Scroll to the bottom of the page with the > small picture and information on that picture. There is a jpg link, > click on it for a larger view. > > Hope that helps, > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:01:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23001 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFb290014580; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFb0SD013275; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCFaDSD012899 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 40193927 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c2a1f4$1aa665c0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:35:30 -0600 Status: RO OK, I guess I'm looking in the right places at the wrong *times*. I swear there's never been anything close to this before - always pinstripes, plaids or crepes :-P Thank you!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Temple" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > I'm not Robin either, but I got some gorgeous lightweight wool for $% a yard > here - > > http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com/home/index.cfm > > Mary/Katerine > > >>Robin - where do you find 100% wool online that isn't pinstripe or plaid? > >I'm obviously not looking in the right places :-) > > > >********************** > >Rebecca Schmitt > >aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > >Bristol, > >BRF FOF > > > >So many books, so little time > > > >lotsofteapots@charter.net > >********************** > > > > > > > > > But if you're looking at $4.00 and up, I think you'll ultimately be > > > happier if you hold out for at least a wool blend. For even a dollar > >more > > > a yard you can often get plenty of nice 100% wools online. And I've > >found > > > wool gabardines on the clearance section at Jo-Ann's for less than > >you're > > > thinking of paying for this poly. > > > > > > --Robin > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23249 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6VC90012820; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:31:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6VBIv020048; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBH6RYIv019226 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-209.244.182.229.dial1.newyork2.level3.net ([209.244.182.229] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OBCX-0004Mm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:27:33 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216154153.00b11b98@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell In-Reply-To: <20021216164200.6433.21714.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: High-end wools (Robin Netherton) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:11:32 -0500 Status: RO On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:22:39 -0600 (CST), Robin Netherton wrote: > > Oooohhhhh...... aaaaahhhhhhh..... pretty...... and within a 20-min. > > bus or bicycle ride from Mom's place in Queens. (And to think I never > > knew they were there...) > >They're probably wholesale only, and probably don't have a storefront, if >I'm guessing right. Sounds plausible, though most of those vendors tend to congregate in the Garment District, or at one time there were more of them on the Lower East Side... >If you go, you might want to inquire ahead via phone >or email, in case they don't take walk-in business. Sounds like a good strategy; that way, I'd also know their business hours. Chances are, they have a showroom as well as a cutting floor... though the showroom may be open only to the trade. (Who knows?) >I also don't know if they sell only "to the trade." I guess I'll find out when I have some money... >Not an issue for me, and probably not an issue for anyone buying >from out-of-state, as out-of-staters don't pay sales tax on mail orders >and thus don't need a NY state tax number. Two separate issues here... actually, three separate issues. (1) "To the trade" usually requires a business ID; also, billing and invoicing work differently -- usually wholesale is on a NET-30 basis, rather than a cash-and-carry basis, and is paid with business checks (or sometimes corporate credit cards). (2) Some states have reciprocal sales-tax collection agreements for mail-order sales; there's also the matter of "points of presence" to consider. IIRC, New York and New Jersey have reciprocal collection agreements; I've had to pay NYC sales tax on most NYS-taxable items I've purchased mail-order or phone-order from New Jersey that were delivered to my NYC address. (3) Garments to the price of $110 are tax-free in New York State. Most of the fabric vendors here in-state will assume that if you're buying garment-class fabric, you will be making garments from it, and will tax -- or not tax -- accordingly. >But the wholesale restriction may prevent them from selling directly in >the store. That would be the most likely... also, if they don't have a cutting floor per se and cut on the factory/warehouse floor; if they don't have carry-out packaging; if they don't have on-the-barrelhead invoice-payment facilities... > > >Prices are $25.00 - $27.50 per yard for cut pieces (2 to 85 yards) > > > > ***2-yard*** and up cut pieces? <*eyes brighten; ears perk up*> > >Yes. Their low minimum (2 yards, which is probably called a "sample cut") >is unusual in wholesaling. Not if it's a "sample cut" per se... What does sound unusual is the sliding scale of cuts. Most of the time, I see sample cuts in specific lengths for a house or fabric type: 2, 2.5, 3, or 5 yards, depending on the manufacturer or wholesaler. The idea is that you make up a sample garment from the sample cut to see how the fabric drapes; based on that, you will order the wholesale amount for your line (manufacturer) or your store (retailer). >$27.50 is a very good price for wool satin, in particular, and the color >range is huge. Sounds good to me, too... especially since wool gabardine starts around $20-30 in this market. >If you contact them, tell me how it works out. It's kind of low on the priority list, but I'll try to remember. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23498 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:03:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIV490018900; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIV3S3009487; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIUeS3009250 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-77-236.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.77.236] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18O00k-0000Sp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:38 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c2a531$c9865600$ec4d22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021216142932.21863.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:34:36 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, my response to Nicole's note doesn't seem to be showing up, and I'm desparate, so here it is again Nicole said > Oh my goodness, Bjarne, those photios are HUGE, wonderful, gorgeous, > gobsmacking! *goes to download and drool* Aaaargh. The only thing I get is a tiny little picture; how do I find the big ones so I can drool too? Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm > Oh my goodness, Bjarne, those photios are HUGE, wonderful, gorgeous, > gobsmacking! *goes to download and drool* > Must ahve book... must have book... *zombie-like* > > Thanks so much for sending the link. > > Nicole > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > > There is an exhibition in Stockholm right now about male costumes from 16th > > to 18th century. > > They have a wonderfull museum catalog about the exhibition. > > Gosh it is so expensive to have this interrest, i just got What Clothes > > Reveal and Kyoto Costume book, + the catalog from Munic, heres another one i > > must have!!! > > There are wonderfull pictures here: > > http://www.lsh.se/livrustkammaren/press/Modelejon/Mode_start.htm > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23681 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:04:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJk290006647; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJk092029861; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCJjF92029418 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002121219450905100jaakoe>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:45:09 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021212113353.00a32ce0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20021211122349.050c5440@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:35:16 -0800 Status: RO Margo - it sounds like a lot. can you respond to me personally at mabse@attbi.com so I can discuss your proposal. maryann At 08:52 AM 12/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Oh, heavens. The projects for the next year: > >Professional: Produce the Elizabehtan Comfort Package (kirtle and loose >gown) and scale down the Lady's and Gentleman'n patterns to create the >Elizabethan Girl and the Elizabethan Boy. Do a second edition of the >Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe, this time incorporating intructions for using >the patterns to create lower class costume. Work with Drea to create the >16th Century Flemish Market Woman's package. Look for additional capital >to make all of the above possible (any potential investors out there, feel >free to contact me!) > >Personal: Make myself a kirtle and loose gown, fitted for wear without a >corset since a medical problem which excludes my wearing one tends to flare >up unexpectedly. Make several different middle classish bodice and skirt >combinations with various sleeves, foreparts, etc, and various accessories >which will be suitable for SCA camping, and for teaching and lecturing when >I don't want the costume to distract from what I'm saying. Also, make an >1870's bustle dress, prefereably in garnet taffeta, which will make me >look like I run the best House in town. > >Family: Make Wayne a new Elizabethan noble's suit, and a long gown to go >over it, trimmed with mink. Make Wayne the washed rayon swashbuckler's >shirt I've been promising him for three years. Make Jamie a new >Elizabethan suit, and new tiger pajamas. Make Robbie an Elizabethan suit, >with lots of gold and jewels (his request). Perform surgery on a stuffed >tiger to remove the no longer functioning tickle/giggle mechanism, which >hurts so much when one hits one's brother with said tiger. > >Home: Use the 45 yards of brocade I got at a thrift store for $20 to make >a canopy and curtains for our bed. > >Costume related: Completely re-vamp the One Tough Costumer website, adding >illustrations. Work up syllabus for, and teach, a workshop on "Beyond Home >Sewing: Costume Techniques from History, Theater, and Industry". Go on >the lecture/workshop circuit with this one and the "Quenching the Wench" >lecture. Act as Costume Mistress and Children's Activities advisor for a >Renaissance Faire. > >Yikes! > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at >margospatterns.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23776 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:05:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILBD90023882; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILBCuZ001124; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILA4ub000516 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.105]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7C005WJ2SRBA@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress In-reply-to: <20021218171647.78615.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021218124944.04d1af00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E000499.E10611FE@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:50:40 -0800 Status: RO Yeah, and notice how her dress actually fits her. No bulges, no 'my cup runneth over', nothing like that. > > I *think* I've seen this before, although not > > commonly. The painting that's vaguely coming to > > mind is that one where the dress is made of yellow > > and green fabrics, sewn together in lengthwise > >stripes of varying widths..... > >That would in the painting by Lorenzo Lotto, "Portrait >of a Lady as Lucretia" (name varies depending on which >source you're looking at). It's circa 1533. > >It has 116 separate pieces... >http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23913 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2t290005242; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2t11P001967; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE2sV1P001864 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD662C02002C; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:54:30 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD66878029E; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:54:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006e01c2a31c$26458fe0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Japanese Quilt: Block 1 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:54:41 -0500 Status: RO You can see the first block to Andy's Japanese Quilt at http://www.costumegallery.com/Quilt/block1.jpg . The outer square did not scan because the block is larger than the scanner. You can see some of outer square on the outer edge of the image. It has long strips of bamboo and in the corners a black square. The other quilt blocks will feature two different dragons and Japanese children. This is the pattern that I used for the quilt http://womensearlyart.net/quilts/c/centerdiamond.html . This is a great resource for quilt patterns. No, the quilt won't be finished by Christmas. Andy will get the blocks that I have finished in a package. He knows how bad my back is and that it will take me a while to finish the quilt. Thank goodness he is a very understanding son. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23978 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:07:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMM390014611; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMM107015119; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJMKc08014393 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:21:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <20021219222032001003mcqle>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: <03c601c2a7ad$53991f80$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:22:20 -0600 Status: RO I think they are talking about the accounts that are not Business accounts. I have a business account and also have had no trouble (knock on wood), the other accounts are a problem with pending actions against the company in several states. Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes Not all ermine spots are created equally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > I do at least 99% of my business on Paypal and have never had a problem. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24038 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:08:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJII290025736; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJII007007189; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium.btinternet.com (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJIHK07006845 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-210.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.210] helo=dan) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18P5EV-0004Dx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:17:19 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c2a78b$6dd40760$d21723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:21:20 -0000 Status: RO Kate wrote: : [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. > Thought I'd just remind any list friends in the London area that our 17th century music group, with the dancers Renaissance Footnotes, will be at the Museum of London on the afternoons of 3rd, 4th and 5th January 2003. Hope to see you, Stevie? Many thanks; yes I'll be there! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24299 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:09:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJp190003546; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJp107025007; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJow07024982 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 819632630BD for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:50:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009001c2a798$2e025e90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:52:36 +0100 Status: RO Hello I think i have seen a Burda Pattern of such a jacket. Try to look in their large pattern album, next time you shop. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? > A friend of mine is looking for a Norfolk Jacket (that tweedy type of > hunting jacket that you see in early 20th c. English period movies), but > all of the hunting shops seem to have stopped carrying them. Does anyone > know of a pattern or source? > > - Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24504 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHEM590025986; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHEM4Iv004511; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHELTIv004354 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBHEKgF26023.; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:42 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird openings (Re: Royal Armory Stockholm) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBHELTIv004354 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:07 +0000 Status: RO Reading the text more carefully (and without my Swedish dictionary to hand) I see it says the garment is a cassack. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24618 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:11:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCf190018564; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCf0No023612; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (mta4-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKCedNo023528 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.248]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021220124036.VCXM29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:40:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021220031929.GA8755@net.indra.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] OT.Eliz vs problems Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:24:27 +0000 Status: RO No they didn't say Eliz and were adamant 'they' weren't the source of the problem.Whole thing sounds fishy since while there had been delays,I had nevertheless got my Postings from the List eventually.I was a bit startled at being unsubscribed tho'. Thanks for the advice tho' I appreciate it very much. Marcus. On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 03:19 am, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 01:09:38AM +0000, marcus findlay-arthur wrote: >> I've had a couple of months of peculiar problems - sometimes the posts >> don't get thru' and last week I had to re-subscribe to the List to get >> them.When I contacted my Server they said there was a back log of posts >> amounting to 2000 dating from September. > > If your server was holding them, it's not anything to do with Indra. > Did you ask them *why* they had 2000 posts stuck in there? > > I have asked my admin if he's seen any problems, and he hasn't. If > people can send me *specific* examples of messages they have posted > which they think haven't shown up, he will check the logs and see what > he can find. > > I've had some people tell me their messages haven't gone through > because they haven't seen them. But others have seen those 'missing' > messages, which seems to indicate a receiving problem on some sites, > and not a sending problem on Indra. Please contact your admins and > make sure they are not blocking anything from Indra, and that they are > not making mailing list messages (ie, "bulk mail") such a low delivery > priority that you're not getting it in your mailbox in a timely > fashion. One of these two are likely to be the problem for just about > everyone who's not seeing the list email. If your admin can guarantee > you that neither one is the case, we can run some tests. > > ..eliz > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24786 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHdB90022505; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHd7V6016275; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net (209-225-8-28.charter.net [209.225.8.28] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJHZgV6014210 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 11606160 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c2a784$f0457280$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:34:52 -0600 Status: RO Actually, it's www.trimfabric.com - no "s" :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF There's no such thing as too many books! lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] Trimfabrics site down? > Is it just my browser or is www.trimfabrics.com down? I keep getting the error that the page cannot be found. > > Colleen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather Meadows [mailto:alice@wonderland.com] > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:22 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? > > > I got some really lovely italian wool from www.trimfabrics.com > for about $6/yard. great quality. they take about two weeks > to arrive though, as they only ship once a week. > > Heather > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24835 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD3f790008734; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:41:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD3f1Jj004421; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD3eVJj004250 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:40:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from kverscho (216-119-135-233.ipset15.wt.net [216.119.135.233]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id gBD3eItp030524 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:40:19 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c2a259$a4de0d00$e98777d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20021212145202.25655.71644.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] First Photos from Galveston Dickens Fest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:42:19 -0600 Status: RO I have posted my first set of photos from the Galveston Dickens fest. On the second day of the festival I became intrigued with the number and variety of hats. This gallery only represents a small fraction of the wonderfully creative hats and bonnets worn at the festival. (Guys are included at the end!) This event is a fun, fantasy event and not meant to be entirely historically accurate. http://www.pbase.com/verschoorphoto/ Please feel free to leave comments about your favorite hats. I will be posting galleries on the costumes and contests in a few days. Karen Verschoor kverscho@wt.net Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24949 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGFa290001883; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGFa1S3002882; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGFZJS3002592 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-77-236.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.77.236] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18NxH4-0001tg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:35:18 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c2a519$4c336fc0$ec4d22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021216142932.21863.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Royal Armory Stockholm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:39:18 -0000 Status: RO Nicole said > Oh my goodness, Bjarne, those photios are HUGE, wonderful, gorgeous, > gobsmacking! *goes to download and drool* Aaaargh. The only thing I get is a tiny little picture; how do I find the big ones so I can drool too? Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25183 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJl190003287; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJl007023021; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJkw07022982 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:46:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A8EBD26292B for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:46:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003d01c2a797$9df16b20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <004201c2a78b$6dd40760$d21723d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:48:34 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. When i was at the museum with you last year, they were playing some nice renaissance music in the renaissance bed room. Could you (if it is not two much) ask if this is a special music cd, that i could buy? I still can hear that gay tunes they played. I love renaissance music. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. > Kate wrote: > > : [h-cost] Generalls Musick & Players at M.O.L. > > Thought I'd just remind any list friends in the London area that our > 17th century music group, with the dancers Renaissance Footnotes, will > be at the Museum of London on the afternoons of 3rd, 4th and 5th > January 2003. Hope to see you, Stevie? > > > Many thanks; yes I'll be there! > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25367 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:16:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILxDBO027634; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBILh1uZ017943; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBILg1uZ017410 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7946 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 21:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.1.140.119) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 21:42:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2a6de$4d6e9b00$778c01d0@bookbusiness> From: "Janet Davis" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" References: <3DFFE490.AF059EC8@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:42:01 -0500 Status: RO This was a Venetian style and (to my eye anyway) all the portraits I've seen of this style look unattractive. The bust is squished into total flatness, the waist is the same size as the bust and the shoulders usually look like a line-backer's. The gowns themselves are always beautiful, with luxurious fabrics, embroidery and trim. Personally, if I was making one for myself, I would take some liberties with the silhouette and not be so barrel-like in the torso. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25496 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHH6HAO008163; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:08:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHGt1iR010472; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHGsUiR010162 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7900H3CW8GDG@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DFF5682.5060705@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Tudor mens question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:53:22 -0600 Status: RO What did the men wear under the doublet, skirted jerkin combo... Was it simply a pair of hosen, with the padded codpiece attached to them? Or what did the codpiece attach to? I am referring to the size of codpiece you see in the Henry VIII pictures. Is Norris a reliable source for this one? Thanks -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25671 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:18:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHItA90017960; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHIt4vF017352; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHIsmvF017146 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:54:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7900IGLW2I9H@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:49:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DFF55AC.7010302@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] missing digests tooo Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:49:48 -0600 Status: RO 1584 to 1588... where did they go? -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25792 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC0k290004567; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC0k1lT008933; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBC0j3lT008555 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10832 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 00:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.172) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 00:45:01 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Source for embroidered silks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DF787F8.6F4200FA@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:45:09 -0500 Status: RO It should be illegal to post links to things so beautiful and so expensive! There must be 20 fabrics I'd love to have and the cheapest $20 a yard. Janet (Really, thanks for posting this - I am a total sucker for embroidered fabrics) Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http:/www.medievalbookstore.com http://www.designerfabrics.ca Under "Silks/Damasks and Embroidered" they have some gorgeous machine-embroidered dupionis. They will send up to eight swatches, which you can keep for weeks without charge. I just received mine. The embroidery on most is very dense and at a scale suitable for clothing. It is high quality for machine embroidery. Also, the fabrics on the website are mostly not bridal white-on-white, unlike the very few similar embroidered silks I've seen in local stores. Most are colors and designs suitable for the 18th century. Some might work for19th-century fashions inspired by the 18th century. Some of the ones I did not get samples of may be smooth silks. I think the prices are fair given the quality of the fabrics. Personally, I'm not going to get all agitated about exactly when it's OK to wear dupioni. It's so hard to find fabrics like this at all, that I just bought what I really liked. A good design is more visible than slubs in the silk. But they also have some smooth taffeta checks and plaids. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26107 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:20:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGKLA90002323; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGKL1S3013872; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBGKKrS3013793 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 64751 invoked by uid 1005); 16 Dec 2002 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.08641 secs); 16 Dec 2002 20:20:43 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.08641 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 20:20:43 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! In-Reply-To: <000701c2a50f$d7fdc460$6601a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20021216151948.R11082-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:20:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Cool! I got to examine the chopines in the Bata shoe museum, and they looked quite similar to the ones on his page. Spending money is so much more fun when other people do it too, Drea On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > That is sooooo cool. My friend Nola made some herself and I have been > coveting them for awhile. My challenge was shaping the wood! Now I > have no excuse-I guess I will have to add that to the 2003 list. Thanks > Drea! > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26161 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIQM9o018394; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIH0S3001319; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGIG8S3000781 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-125-28.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.28]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AOC92194; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:27 GMT Message-ID: <007001c2a52f$ecc9f6a0$1c7d4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20021216.084805.-241363335.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:21:16 -0000 Status: RO How much were they ? I never found the price Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26221 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD4X290010836; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD4X0Jj019441; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBD4WYJj019262 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4044 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 04:32:34 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 04:32:34 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-111.sonic.net [209.148.112.111]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBD4WXo13656 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:32:33 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DF96347.7FCAABB5@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] More jewelry websites Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:34:15 -0800 Status: RO Here are a few other sites I forgot to mention: Megan McGee's http://www.meganmcgees.com Antique and vintage jewelry. J'Antiques http://www.jantiques.com/ Antique and vintage jewelry. AZillion SPARKLZ http://www.sparkleplenty.com/indexC.htm This site has a large selection, most of it too modern and too costumey for my taste. But sometimes they list a very nice antique piece or two. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/danceance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26659 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8QI90026708; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8Q1lT024477; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC8PdlT024375 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-119-228.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.119.228]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANZ70849; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:25:52 GMT Message-ID: <08fa01c2a1b8$b3afea20$6b784ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic fabrics -- what's so bad? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:30:17 -0000 Status: RO >And the discoloration isn't just fading -- it turns a truly different color. I'm not an acetate expert, my field in cellulosics and naturals, but the change in colour is likely to be the effect of diffent dyestuffs used fading at different rather, eg to get a purple you would use red, yellow and blue dyestuffs and the blue might fade at a different rate than the red (for instance) In more complex dyestuff recipe where metamerism needed to be combated the fastness (fade) rates are even more complex. However a general comment from expeciance as a dyer in the Uk & US, is that US fabric were (15 or so years ago) much less fast than UK dyes, due to apparently lower consumer expectations. I have 20 year old acetate ball gowns of my own with no signs of fading. Mel Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26910 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:24:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK6t590009596; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBK6t107011121; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBK6sT07011007 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:54:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16972 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 06:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.125) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 06:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c2a7f4$a6ddae80$7d42a6d0@bookbusiness> From: "Janet Davis" To: References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> <20021220031929.GA8755@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: Ditto/Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:54:31 -0500 Status: RO This is a specific instance of a post I sent that never showed up: From: "Janet Davis" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:42 PM I also sent something on 12/13 that never showed up. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27079 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:25:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE5N390009950; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE5N11P010029; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBE5MV1P009943 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:22:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18366 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.244) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 05:22:29 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A306.E2E70F40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Subject: [h-cost] hemp vs. linen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:22:29 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A306.E2E70F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was logging in a new title (Excavations at 33-35 Eastgate, Beverley) last night and while browsing through it, I found a short article on medieval flax and hemp processing. Some excerpts: "Hemp...was also used to make coarse weaves for such items as aprons, strong shirts or even sheets. Hempen linen, as such weaves were known, was valued for its durability and hard-wearing qualities...Such textiles were probably characteristic of poorer sections of society... "Of the two plants, hemp is by far the hardier...eighteenth century parish maps in Norfolk and Suffolk depict 'hemplands' - small areas which filled awkward corners of fields...heavy, well-manured soils produce a strong but coarse fibre which is better suited to rope, sacking or canvas; whereas poorer soils are better suited to produce finer yarns for cloth manufacture." 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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:48:22 -0500 Status: RO Oh Kathleen, I can't wait to see it!!!!!! I love ribbon work. I never learned to do it, but really appreciate the art. Make sure to take photos and share with us. I love wearable art and quilts. Both are such a wonderful art form. The big shows at Williamsburg in February inspire me so much. I can spend hours studying the construction and designs of them like people study paintings. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27534 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:27:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5F290018042; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5F1lT004395; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBC5ENlT004224 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-11-240.smf.jps.net ([216.119.11.240] helo=pavilion) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MLfx-0007Q2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:14:21 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c2a19e$2e349d60$f00b77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] underwear? Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2A15B.1EBA0AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:20:24 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2A15B.1EBA0AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, what are the properties of human hair? It would be a protein like = wool, filimant like silk, has resistance to pilling, takes dye well, = doesn't shrink in the wash, cheaper than linen because you could produce = it yourself. Lisa ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Betsy Marshall=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] underwear? I'm thinking of Hair-shirts, sackcloth and ashes; all medieval implements of penance, If I recall correctly... not the thing for next to the skin wearing!! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On = Behalf Of M311@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] underwear? I got this from Bizarre News. Has anyone else heard of these? = Would they itch? I guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I = want a pair. Kelly -------------------- Hair Under Where? --------------------- Lingerie designer Jose Monino has created a new trend in=20 underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions and=20 plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of=20 weaving hair to create a new style of underwear. After an=20 extensive process of thorough cleaning and weeks of careful=20 weaving, Monino has created a matching bra and panty set out=20 of human hair and is selling them for over $3,000 per set.=20 The undergarments are highly priced due to the arduous pro- cess of creating each pair. One question remains: Are they=20 to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty salon? ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2A15B.1EBA0AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, what are the properties of human = hair? =20 It would be a protein like wool, filimant like silk, has resistance to = pilling,=20 takes dye well, doesn't shrink in the wash, cheaper than linen because = you could=20 produce it yourself.
 
Lisa
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Betsy Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 8:51=20 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] = underwear?

I'm=20 thinking of Hair-shirts, sackcloth and ashes;
 all medieval implements of penance, If I recall=20 correctly...
not=20 the thing for next to the skin wearing!!
Betsy
-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-admin@indra.com=20 [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of M311@aol.com
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 December 11, 2002 10:27 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject= :=20 [h-cost] underwear?

I got this from = Bizarre=20 News.  Has anyone else heard of these?  Would they = itch?  I=20 guess they would be steardy but I just don't think I want a=20 pair.
Kelly
-------------------- Hair Under Where?=20 ---------------------

Lingerie designer Jose Monino has = created a new=20 trend in
underwear fashion. After working with hair extensions = and=20
plaiting a few strands, Monino came up with the idea of =
weaving hair=20 to create a new style of underwear. After an
extensive process = of=20 thorough cleaning and weeks of careful
weaving, Monino has = created a=20 matching bra and panty set out
of human hair and is selling them = for=20 over $3,000 per set.
The undergarments are highly priced due to = the=20 arduous pro-
cess of creating each pair. One question remains: = Are they=20
to be taken to the dry cleaners or the beauty=20 salon?

 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2A15B.1EBA0AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27884 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD5x790014311; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:59:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD5x1Jj013140; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBD5wZJj013011 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p39.directcon.net [206.170.184.138]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBD5vuCW008655; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:57:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021212220153.00843b70@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: sustre@pixelations.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Cc: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021212085207.00842260@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:01:53 -0800 Status: RO > >While you're adding the instructions to the Lady's pattern, would it >be possible to copy them into a separate booklet or set of sheets for >those of us who have the first edition? Actually, I'll probably put them on the website, free of charge. The changes aren't that significant. If you make up the low necked smock and the partlet with a plain fabric ruffle, make the bodice front lacing with plain wings and no skirting, make contrast sleeves with the narrow curved sleeve pattern, and use the Farthingale pattern peices to make a skirt, you're there. Accessorize with the coif and a flat cap, and add a rectangular apron, and you'll look like one of the women in the lower right hand corner of the Wedding At Bermondsey painting. I'll be writing it all up for a workshop I'm teaching in January, so I'll probably web it shortly after that. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28228 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:29:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJY290002208; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJY107016470; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJXD07016016 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10007 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 19:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO livingroom) ([170.215.242.240]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.1) with SMTP for ; 19 Dec 2002 19:33:12 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c2a795$774f0bf0$01fea8c0@livingroom> From: "Lyn Greaves- home" To: References: <000001c2a730$67067360$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning- frozen accts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:33:11 -0500 Status: RO Speaking as someone who has had a frozen account- When they froze my account, it was in full accordance with the agreement I accepted when I opened the account. It was completely NOT their fault (although that didn't make me dislike it any less at Christmas time last year). My bank (boy, am I glad they were SOLD) changed a policy and neglected to notify me of it. . . needless to say, THEY fixed the PayPal account (after much discussion to find out exactly WHO was responsible on their end). PayPal simply froze an account that had been refused payment by the owner's bank-- looks like good business practice to me. Lyn Greaves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > FYI, FWIW, Paypal has been under investigation by several different > states, (Louisiana is one I definitely remember), for conducting > business as if they are a bank, which in fact they are not. There are > reports of other shady dealings, such as Paypal freezing accounts so > that the account holder can't even get their own money out. This has > been going on for months, as yet I haven't heard the outcome of the > case(s), has anyone else? Knowing this was enough for me to not sign up > for Paypal, even though it is very convenient, especially for eBay and > ordering things from overseas. I'm with you, Angela, there is nothing > wrong with a little healthy paranoia. > > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > > If you have allowed paypal access to your checking account, this may be > a > problem, although I doubt it happens much. E-trade is generally pretty > safe. > I did however, refuse that sort of access when I signed up with paypal, > primarily because at the time there was no number to call if something > went > wrong. With a total lack of customer service, I have not permitted > access > to any of my checking accounts. That sort of access is not something > I'd > probably ever give permission for anyway, as credit cards are a better > means > of paying strangers, and there is almost always recourse if it's on a > credit > card. > > I don't know if they still allow it, it's called an "unverified" > account, > (as though I'm a bad bad person!) ;) they obviously prefer full access > to > your checking account, but that ain't gonna happen in my lifetime. > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." > As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" > To: "Costume List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:51 AM > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning > > > > Folks, I know a lot of us use Ebay and Paypal (to buy fabric and > costumes > > and other accessories -- how's that for marginal topical content?). > > > > Please remember to change your password frequently, and keep an eye on > the > > account. My hubby just sent me this from Forbes: > > http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/08/21/0821hatesites_3.html > > Someone on rec.woodworking had their bank account wiped out because > > someone hacked their Paypal account, transferred money from the bank > > account to Paypal and then within Paypal to another Paypal account, > which > > was then withdrawn and closed. (Of course, people get their regular > bank > > or credit card accounts hacked all the time, but it seems one has > fewer > > remedies when dealing with Paypal than when dealing with one's credit > card > > company.) > > > > I just changed my password, and am considering closing the account > after a > > few payments I've made recently are cleared. > > > > -- Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28510 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL5790008938; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL5107002883; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJL4407002377 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H7DX6L00.4MO for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:03:57 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.45 ([203.54.114.45]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/28488976); 20 Dec 2002 07:03:52 Message-ID: <3E0323DE.46D8AF6D@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress References: <20021219144100.77844.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:06:22 -0800 Status: RO kate wrote: > *snip* > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > > Greetings Claire. > > In my opinion, the extra poufiness around her elbow is > there due to bending her arm. As far as I'm aware, > there's no extra pouf on the lower sleeve. > But if you look at the other arm that is straight, the one holding the pic, there is a second, smaller puff below the large one. I'm wondering if perhaps it is caused by the lower sleeve being too long and pushed up on the arm. When the elbow bends it straightens out. I think a furlined dress has anough friction for this to work. I wonder if it would work on something else if the lower sleeve was sufficiently tight. > > I've heard several opinions regarding her hat. The one > that I think fits the best is that it's lambs wool. > Sure looks like it to me...but then again, I've never > been around a sheep while it's being sheared so I > don't know if you can get the lovely little curls of > wool or not. > Well that's what I assumed. The wool on very small lambs is that tightly curled, but you'd need an awful lot of them for that hat I think, or perhaps it is specially treated. Renaissance perm anyone? :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:31:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28656 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGH9590010164; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBGH90S3021186; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBE3PW1P009778 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:25:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-28-194.o1.jps.net ([216.119.28.194] helo=pavilion) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18N2vi-0005DY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c2a321$4ee56560$c21c77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A2DE.3E7FD680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-ELNK-Trace: 9c05c41117f01b301aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790b1d7d205ef63ffb11569d13f6190039350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: [h-cost] another 14th c block print Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:31:33 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A2DE.3E7FD680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just came across another 14th century block print that I had not seen = before in the book, The illustrated History of Textiles. It is also = from Germany and is a Mullion pattern. A note to the fragment comments = that printed linen was often used as room decoration. I have scanned = the photo and added it the my web page. I'll be removing these next = weekend, so have a look now if you are interested. I am not researching this time period but if anyone else is and finds = more detailed info on these fragments or similar, please share. Thanks, Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A2DE.3E7FD680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just came across another 14th century = block print=20 that I had not seen before in the book, The illustrated History of=20 Textiles.  It is also from Germany and is a Mullion pattern.  = A note=20 to the fragment comments that printed linen was often used as room=20 decoration.  I have scanned the photo and added it the my web = page. =20 I'll be removing these next weekend, so have a look now if you are=20 interested.
 
I am not researching this time period = but if anyone=20 else is and finds more detailed info on these fragments or similar, = please=20 share.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Lisa Sinervo
Threadneedle St. = Clothiers
www.ThreadneedleSt.com<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A2DE.3E7FD680-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:32:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28890 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMP390000541; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMP1uZ010116; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf15bis.bellsouth.net (mail315.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.175]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBIMOBuZ009650 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.76.153.229]) by imf15bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021218222557.IKAT13393.imf15bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:25:57 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <20021218171647.78615.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:23:18 -0500 Status: RO It looks like it has a slit in the front of the skirt... Apollonia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of kate Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress That would in the painting by Lorenzo Lotto, "Portrait of a Lady as Lucretia" (name varies depending on which source you're looking at). It's circa 1533. It has 116 separate pieces... http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29123 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:33:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ1Co9g011573; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:14:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0w1if021177; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf09bis.bellsouth.net (mail309.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJ0vwif021142 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.76.153.229]) by imf09bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021219005942.WOSS14615.imf09bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:59:42 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question about 1540s Italian dress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:57:04 -0500 Status: RO I think the lady in White is wearing a blackworked camicia, over which is a partlet. The dress is laced extremely tight. Either she has not developed breasts yet, and they are just really tiny. If you look along her shoulders, you can see ties for the partlet... It also looks like she might be wearing a bumroll with this. Her collar is just a small ruff, probably attached to the partlet. Also, it looks to me like there is a pleat near the top of her skirt... My two florins, Apollonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29372 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKW290019973; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKW0V3011712; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBFKVTV3011589 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071F9114164 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip247.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.247]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C2111414B for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:24:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01bf01c2a477$d399f120$f7614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021215170104.9681.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:23:15 -0500 Status: RO They truly are gorgeous. I'd love to make that Eliz one. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Big scans of Barbie historical costumes photos > --- Talia wrote: > These are beautiful! Are they for sale? > They'd make fabulous holiday gifts. > > No, sorry I forgot to say that they are from the Burda pattern mag for Barbie > costumes, that is out of print, but I thought the list would enjoy the > costumes. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29601 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:34:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJv390004002; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJv107028214; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBJJuI07027770 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:55:46 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A442372700EE; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:55:46 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:55:46 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? Message-ID: <000f01c2a798$ca6d3f20$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:56:57 -0600 Status: RO Try this web site: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/Victorian_Repx.html I know they have it in a boy's size, I'm not sure about adult. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kevin & Mara Riley Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:49 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Norfolk jackets? A friend of mine is looking for a Norfolk Jacket (that tweedy type of hunting jacket that you see in early 20th c. English period movies), but all of the hunting shops seem to have stopped carrying them. Does anyone know of a pattern or source? - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30315 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:37:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCL6490013175; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCL61Wt012454; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBCL5WWt012232 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.38]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H70007WSYL6B0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBCL5Sw19160 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7000KQMYLBSH@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred In-reply-to: <004201c2a1cd$ebb265a0$1a0624d9@dan> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <004201c2a1cd$ebb265a0$1a0624d9@dan> Subject: [h-cost] Leather Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:03:58 -0500 Status: RO My daughter has decided to wear my leather skirt to the winter dance. But it has been in the drawer for a while and had fold creases. Any ideas on how to get those out? With it she is wearing a white corset style shirt and a jacket reminiscent of Victorian, Very nice. Maybe I should give her my Victorian style boots as well. Linda K-S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 02:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30505 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEw690023279; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEw4No028254; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKEvYNo028046 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:57:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.38]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7F00H8FAVV7L@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.46]) by asv10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBKEvTTQ021587 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7F009SOAVTKE@mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Manhattan/NJ fabric & bead stores? In-reply-to: <001301c2a7e7$7ef514b0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Herself-the-Elf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200212192107.gBJL7l02062447@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3E02A2BD.4A3182D0@in-tch.com> <001301c2a7e7$7ef514b0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:55:55 -0500 Status: RO The best in New Jersey, on the cheap side, is Fabric Warehouse. There are three locations, all in rather dismal areas but they can have some good stuff. It's a mill ends store. Then there's the one in PA that I haven't gone to, also cheap stuff. Any one remember the name? In NYC: The absolutely best group of stores in the US all in one area. This is where all the Broadway and top designers shop. As well as the lesser known designers, students and any one in the know. There are tons of stores. in fact you can see a list at: http://www.fashioncenter.com/ They abandoned their yearly book for this very comprehensive web site. My favs are: Moods - not the best for deals but the best for variety. Look for the $60 yard cashmere and other exotic wools in striking colors. Check the address as they not only just moved but there is no sign outside and you have to take the elevator. I have seen a Broadway designer with a beautiful (forgive my ignorance on names) Louis XIV style dress illustration with all the flounces and tall hat looking for and finding the right silks for that dress. NY Elegance-Also good selection and better over all prices. A beautiful set of wedding laces and silks with beads on them. Did the last wedding dress from this store. Linens and lots of suit type wools. A variety of cotton Viole as well. On the same street is Parons - Two stores. their first run and higher prices and their sale store where you can get the same fabric the likes of Liz Claborne and other really hot designers used for half price. Wonderful wools, silks, mixed all 50% off. But you have to buy now as what the have will go out of stock. M & J Trims-Some of the best trim prices and variety. And there are stores with only buttons. Stores with all the accessories for you machines you can imagine. Some stores will cut zippers to size. Also look for the stores that are going out of business. You might find some really good deals there as well. I know I marked more modern styles in fabrics but they also have tons of fabrics that recreators would like. There are fabrics I have never seen anywhere else. The funny thing is what you don't find there, ordinary broadcloth, quilting fabrics or any of the really ordinary fabrics that plague the likes of strip mall fabric stores. Check out the web site, you'll see. Linda K-S At 12:20 AM -0500 12/20/02, Herself-the-Elf wrote: >Hi all, I'm heading down to the US for the holidays and am wondering if >anybody has any favourite fabric and/or bead stores in Manhattan or >Northeastern Jersey that they could recommend. Might as well see if I can >pick up some neat stuff while I'm there...^_^ > >-- Maral > >the den of sarcasm >http://sarcasm.fanfic.org > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 03:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02012 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL873fc018029; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL870r1027655; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL86lr1027584 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:06:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from p873-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.111] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Peek-00019s-00; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:06:46 +1300 Message-ID: <00f101c2a8c7$ec21edc0$6fc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> <006701c2a7d1$adc70520$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:55:39 +1300 Status: RO > I have been getting very few messages this week, but thought the list was > going through a slow spell again... And I've just been getting messages sent last week! Gremlins in the system;)? michaela http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 03:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02016 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL87Pfc018038; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:07:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL87Or1027761; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:07:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL86mr1027589 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:06:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from p873-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.111] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Peel-00019s-00; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:06:47 +1300 Message-ID: <00f201c2a8c7$ec7edad0$6fc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:06:35 +1300 Status: RO > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lotto/1527-30/07lucret.jpg > > > How about on the arm that's outstretched? There is a more prominant > > > poof happening there. I > Perhaps this is the artist's means of showing foreshortening -- that is, > the arm is bent, but bent away from us, so her arm is not outstretched but > curved toward us so we can't see the angle of the elbow. Not with the angle of her hand:) If anything it looks like she's hyperextending her elbow... But that was one thought I did have, until I tried I think Clair Clark might have the idea: "I'm wondering if perhaps it is caused by the lower sleeve being too long and pushed up on the arm." Though there was a book on late 15thC Italian clothing that mentioned how many errors can be found in paintings, this might be one of those incidents.. he might have pieced together studies and not actually had a live model in this dress. And maybe not all the studies worked together for an anatomically possible stance;) michaela http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 04:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10914 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 04:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL9e3fc019803; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL9e1r1017017; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBL9dtr1016982 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:39:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0H7G004K2QT189@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:39:02 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? In-reply-to: <00f101c2a8c7$ec21edc0$6fc3adcb@michaela> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:39:05 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > > I have been getting very few messages this week, but thought the list was > > going through a slow spell again... > > And I've just been getting messages sent last week! Gremlins in the > system;)? Something strange going on with mine too. In the past few hours I've gotten over 100 posts ranging in date from 12/11 to 12/21. Some of them are duplicates of messages I've gotten before, some of them are new, and they aren't in chronological order. Well, at least I haven't been unsubscribed :). annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 05:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17072 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 05:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLA72fc020152; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLA71r1023295; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21207.mail.yahoo.com (web21207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBLA6or1023250 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:06:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021221100649.31716.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.5] by web21207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:06:49 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jane=20Williams?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Talia wrote: > Aqua Regia, a combination of nitric and hydrochloric > acid. Really nasty > stuff. I don't recommend it for home use. And very difficult to store, I believe. Tends to dissolve bottles. Trouble is, most acids strong enough to dissolve metals other than gold are also unlikely to be found around a "normal" home (unless we're about to find another difference between the USA and the UK?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 05:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23482 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 05:27:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLAT2fc020998; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLAT0r1025805; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLASvr1025793 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:28:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221102856.EIIL14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:28:56 +0000 From: janewilliams20@yahoo.co.uk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning Message-ID: <3E04426A.5783.851DBBE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000001c2a730$67067360$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> References: <005201c2a6f7$b3e66930$855c7843@angelap3a8d978> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:28:58 -0000 Status: RO On 19 Dec 2002 at 2:29, Linda Rice wrote: > .., as yet I haven't heard the outcome of the > case(s), has anyone else? Thers'a an internet library of law and court decisions at: http://www.phillipsnizer.com/internetlibrary.htm Going there and feeding "PayPal" into their search gives some interesting results: far too long to post here, though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 05:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30247 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 05:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLAg1fc021221; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLAg0r1028430; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21207.mail.yahoo.com (web21207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBLAfIr1028284 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:41:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021221104118.35953.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.5] by web21207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:41:18 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jane=20Williams?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021212152654.3966F1E1F03@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] List problems? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:41:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Looks like a definite problem here. I sent the reply summarised below on the 12th. Never saw it on the list. On the 19th I changed email addreses: unsubscribed the old one, subscribed with the new one. This reply came in today, along with a load of other old stuff, to the *old* address. Meanwhile "current" postings are coming in to the new address, though in batches: posts from Thursday and Friday have all arived on Saturday morning. And the reply I just sent out to the list has come straight back with no delay at all. All very strange! --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > Christina L Biles wrote : > > There is a style of German Renn codpieces... > How very.... subtle? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02513 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDRAfc024624; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDR3r1004891; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDQQr1004683 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLD9oj24587 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:09:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E046C04.F294CB0E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress References: <20021218174655.5523.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:26:28 -0700 Status: RO Thanks for the link....I've always loved this dress. But then, I like green dresses. ISTR there's one portrait of Elizabeth I in a green dress in QEUnlocked..... --sue kate wrote: > > It also put me in mind of this gown: > http://cgi.www.sandiegomuseum.org/cgi-bin/www.sandiegomuseum.org/image.pl?mode=&painting=123952&axis=1040233065 > > It's quite lovely. It's on my list of "things to do > when I have more time..." > > And if you go into the gift shop and ask for an image > of this painting, she's NOT listed as by "unknown," > she's listed as having been painted by Bronzino. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02521 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDU4fc024739; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDU4r1005710; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDTpr1005642 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:29:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLDDej25483 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:13:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E046CEB.5A96C927@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: italian gown References: <3E017E93.32262.6EEB4564@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:30:19 -0700 Status: RO Naw....bad color duplication in the first reproduction I saw of the painting....and now I seem to be "stuck" with thinking of it as green-and-yellow. Even though it's clear from the link that it's, indeed, more green-and-pumpkin. I kinda like the colors, but they are *NOT* a combination I could wear! --sue kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > Why do you think it's furred? I've never gotten that impression from > > it (although my good copy of it's at work, so I can't double-check > > until tomorrow, darn it). Or are you referring to another portrait, > > other than the one I'd asked about....especially since you're > > referring to pumpkin and olive colors? (oh, do you mean the stripedy > > one? I think of it more as yellow and green....) > > In the on-line version even it is clear in the sleeve slashes and in > the little area down the center front of the skirt that it has a > mottled grey fur. > > One person's yellow (or orange) and green is another's "pumpkin and > olive." I'm certain that they would have called it something > entirely different in Italy. ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:40:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02608 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:40:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDg2fc025000; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDg1r1008498; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDfKr1008325 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:41:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-8-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.8.101] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PjsV-0004Js-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:41:19 +0000 Message-ID: <005601c2a8f7$34770900$650824d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Noel Noel! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:45:20 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, MaggiRos wrote: > Thought perhaps in honor of the season some of the late period gang at least > would like to see the new page I've added to the Renaissance site. > > Keeping an Elizabethan Christmas is at > Lovely, indeed, but you might like to read, and cite, Ronald Hutton's 'Rise and Fall of Merry England', which has a great deal more information on this. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02624 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:41:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDh1fc025021; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDh0r1008760; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDgUr1008612 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLDQJj28542 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:26:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E046FE2.8DF0FDC3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress References: <20021220234318.19329.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:42:58 -0700 Status: RO I didn't get the post you're answering, Bella (or it was buried somewhere, and I just didn't see it), so I'm more answering what you answered, rather than answering you , if that makes sense... I think the Lotto dress has some very unusual qualities (the stripes being the most notable), but there are lots of examples of dresses in other areas of Europe in the same (or close to the same) time period with fur linings. Or slashed sleeves. Or front lacing. And as for the flounce, there's at least one other example, and that's the dress I was first asking about.... Maybe Lotto was combining stylistic elements from a regional style, or at least relatively unknown (the flounce, the stripes, the headdress), with other bits to make it look "old" or "different," to contribute to the allegorical theme? The slashed sleeves might refer back to an earlier style, for instance. The fur lining might be something seen in Northern Italian clothing, or in foreign clothing.... Ah, well....historical costuming can be so interesting and so frustrating all at the same time! --sue Bella wrote: > > > Your guess is as good as mine. This gown is > > relatively > > unique--it has a bunch of uncommon things going > > on...the stripes, the slashes just around the elbow > > area, the front lacing, as well as the flounce. > > This is perhaps because this is an allegorical > painting, and so the artist has used his artistic > license to create something that's unusual, whilst > still retaining enough of the contemporary look to > have his viewers identify with the heroic Lucrezia. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02733 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDs2fc025238; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDs1r1011899; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDr8r1011620 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLDavj01165 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:36:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E04725C.FC07D0C5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? References: <3E025EA0.9070000@comcast.net> <006701c2a7d1$adc70520$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:53:32 -0700 Status: RO I've been getting my own posts to stuff okay, and occasional things from the list in general...enough to make me think the list has just been slow, and also make me wonder what y'all were talking about on this thread. And then, this morning, I checked my email, got a normal-for-Saturday-a.m. 20 messages or so, but when I subsequently checked for messages, I got a burst of 30 some, all several days late, and then another (big) chunk of 60+, also late. They don't seem to be related in topic, but are pretty random, which makes keeping track of a thread very frustrating. I don't have this problem with all of my lists, just this one, and since there are a number of us with this problem, I'd suspect it's not *our* servers, but maybe the list server, or some sort of regional servers? I just got *this* message, for instance. *Very* annoying! --sue lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > > I have been getting very few messages this week, but thought the list was > going through a slow spell again... > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > There's no such thing as too many books! > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda J. Thompson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? > > > I am only getting h-costume every 3 or so volumns.. > > > > > > I am missing about 20 of them now???? Anyone else thisis happening to? > > > > -- > > Linda Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 08:55:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02760 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:55:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDv2fc025282; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDv1r1012604; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLDuar1012474 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:56:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBLDuZiO012473 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:56:35 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] List problems? Message-ID: <20021221135635.GH8755@net.indra.com> References: <20021212152654.3966F1E1F03@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <20021221104118.35953.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021221104118.35953.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:56:35 -0700 Status: RO Someone who unsubbed from the list also reported getting new/old messages - I think we may have found the problem! It's looking like there was a plug-up somewhere keeping some mail from being delivered. Could you send me some of the new/old messages with the complete mail headers, please? Thanks, ...eliz On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:41:18AM +0000, Jane Williams wrote: > Looks like a definite problem here. > > I sent the reply summarised below on the 12th. Never > saw it on the list. On the 19th I changed email > addreses: unsubscribed the old one, subscribed with > the new one. > > This reply came in today, along with a load of other > old stuff, to the *old* address. Meanwhile "current" > postings are coming in to the new address, though in > batches: posts from Thursday and Friday have all > arived on Saturday morning. > > And the reply I just sent out to the list has come > straight back with no delay at all. > > All very strange! > > > --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Christina L Biles wrote : > > > > There is a style of German Renn codpieces... > > How very.... subtle? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 09:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02836 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLEK2fc026031; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLEK0r1018751; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLEJcr1018614 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:19:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a225.in-tch.com [66.62.107.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLE3Qj08671 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:03:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E047894.C4724CFD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Spiral lacing and skirts was [h-cost] where is everyone? References: <20021216164244.11660.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:20:04 -0700 Status: RO Hi. I'm having the same sporadic-mail problems everyone else is, so I just saw this.... I don't know the portrait you're referring to, but there are a couple of other (16th c)gowns I can think of, right off the bat, that have spiral-laced bodices and skirt openings. In Arnold's book on clothing from 1560-1620, she's got a small pic. of a girl with a spiral-laced bodice (you're looking at the back)--you can't really see any skirt slits, but the lacing pattern and slightly poofy pleating of the skirt at the waist (cartridge pleats, I'd guess) are quite visible. According to the notes, the girl is Isabella, she's 3 years old, and the painting is "The Colonna Family," by Scipione Pulzone, dated 1581. And she's got, as well, *the* Eleanor of Toledo burial gown--the over gown has got two lines of spiral lacing to either side of the side-back, with an attached skirt..... Now, the extant garment doesn't actually have the skirt still attached to the bodice, but the skirt still shows evidence of the pleating (flat pleats, no less!, instead of cartridge pleating), and the side-back openings (they look like they're about 8 or 9 inches long). The skirt itself was made in 4 pieces--two for the front, and two for the back. The openings occur along the seamlines between the front pieces and the back pieces. The edges of the skirt's back openings are finished with a strip of bias silk--not like a binding, but flat, like a facing. I'd imagine that the openings would be hidden in the fullness generated by the pleats. --sue Cascio Michael wrote: > > Drooling over art books while Christmas shopping > and saw a copy of The Lute Player by Orazio > Gentileschi. Sorry I haven't searched for a link yet > but as this is a good angle on the spiral lacing on > the side back I was wondering if the slit in the skirt > to allow the garment to fit over the hips continued on > below the lacing or if they did some sort of dogleg > opening like we do for the 1860s. And if it just > continues on into the skirt how did they keep the > skirt from gaping when they moved or leaned like the > lady in the portrait? Perhaps one of you has a better > copy of the painting and has some insight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 10:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02999 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLFF6fc027830; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLFF5r1001328; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLFCVr1000733 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PlIk-0000JS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:12:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2a903$f17a10e0$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> <03c601c2a7ad$53991f80$31baee0c@c59303a> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:16:31 -0000 Status: RO Chiara wrote: > I think they are talking about the accounts that are not Business accounts. > I have a business account and also have had no trouble (knock on wood), the > other accounts are a problem with pending actions against the company in > several states. Well, I didn't know about the problems other people have noted, but I stopped using Paypal myself a few weeks ago. I gave up in despair at endless delays and no replies to my emails. I'd thought this was because of Ebay taking it over, but it now appears that it was a longstanding proble. I've mentioned it to a couple of people that I've bought a lot of things from, and the answer was that they weren't having problems with their business accounts, but other buyers had the same problems I had. This spells disaster for a lot of Ebay sellers, since in the long term people won't pay money order fees for small purchases. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03163 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGA3fc029306; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGA1r1013180; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLG93r1012861 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-004casfrmp051.dialsprint.net ([158.252.211.53]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PmBR-0005tN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:09:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:09:20 -0800 Status: RO I finally realized why i couldn't find the original message about the chopine blanks. And no wonder i have been so confused reading the list for the past 9 days - i had only gotten about half the Digests that had been sent since December 12th. I wasn't paying attention to the headers in the list, but it turns out that as of last night around 8 PM i had not received over one dozen of them, what appears to be a somewhat rather random selection. This dump, as it were, of Digests that i just got is comprised of Digest #1582, 1584, 1585, 1586, 1587, 1588, 1590, 1593, 1594, 1596, 1598, 1600 (to the best of my knowledge, the most current Digest). (in other words, as of yesterday, Friday Dec 20, at 8 PM (PST), i had received 1582, 1583, 1589, 1591, 1592, 1595, 1597, and 1599) The headers indicate that my ISP, earthlink, did not receive them until rather last night. To be more specific, here's the info on the oldest of these late comers: Digest 1582, dated Thursday 12 Dec 2002 12:00:08 It was Received from net.indra.com by net.indra.com on Thursday 12 Dec 2002 at 12:01:57 (MST) It was Received from net.indra.com by www1.indra.com on Thursday 12 Dec 2002 12:02:03 (MST) So far, so good... BUT It was Received from www1.indra.com by earthlink on Friday 20 Dec 2002 at 22:09:08 (PST) I don't know how long this problem has persisted, because i've only been sporadically reading the list for the past year or so and not posting for about 2 years. So, if i was having this problem between December 2000 and now, i didn't notice. Digest 1600, apparently the most current: Received from net.indra.com by www1.indra.com Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:08:08 (MST) and Received from www1.indra.com by earthlink Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:08:22 (PST) In other words, it only took 14 seconds This is unlike the 8 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds it took for 1582 to be sent from www1.indra.com to earthlink. So, dear list owner (is that Eliz?), it appears there's something wrong at www1.indra.com. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:13:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03188 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:13:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGF3fc029457; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGF2r1014351; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGCEr1013735 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBLGCEQk013734 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:12:14 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20021221161214.GO8755@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] mail coming in Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:12:14 -0700 Status: RO Okay, I'm asking my sysadmin what was up, since all of the headers I've checked on the 'lost lamb' messages indicate the messages were indeed hung on one of Indra's machines. Thanks to everyone for their patience and assistance while this was cleared up. And if you're STILL not seeing your own posts, it might be the whole to you from yourself things still, so let me know if that continues to be a problem. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03216 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGN2fc029744; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGN1r1016047; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGMXr1015912 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-10-12.smf.jps.net ([216.119.10.12] helo=pavilion) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PmOW-0001PQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:22:32 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c2a90e$133e9520$0c0a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <3492439.1040414947645.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:29:01 -0800 Status: RO Yes, I can see that it is much more likely that is is a plural use of biggin. A couple of other posters were commenting about the use of the word prior to the 17th century. "As far as the terms are concerned biggin wasn't used during Elizabeth's reign is comes in sometime during the 17th century" and "The earliest reference to bigon (yet another spelling) I have in my research > is 1608" as Elizabeth was born in 1533 this quote nudges the appearance of the word closer to the previously mentioned OED reference. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] coifs etc > LSinervo@aol.com wrote: > >beseeching you to be [a] good lord to my lady...that she may > >have some raiment for she hath neither gown, not kirtle nor > >sleeves, nor railes, nor body stitchets, nor handkerchiefs, nor > >mufflers nor biggins. All this her grace must have. I have > >driven off as long as I can, that be my troth I can drive it no > >longer. Beseeching you my lord that ye will see that her grace > >may have that [which] is needful for her. > > Yes, and you'll note that everything onward from "sleeves" is plural. Thus "biggins" is plural, "biggin" singular. > > >What is the OED by the way??? > > Oxford English Dictionary. Gives citations for how the word is used, with dates. > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03229 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGQtfc029835; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGQsr1016840; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (mta1-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGMcr1015933 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.1.255]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221162235.GOHN277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:22:35 +0000 Subject: Codpiece/Norris Re: [h-cost] Tudor mens question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DFF5682.5060705@comcast.net> Message-Id: <340AE140-1508-11D7-B10D-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:18:20 +0000 Status: RO Linda I missed part of this thread,so forgive me if I've jumped in here but circa 1540 the codpiece is laced,sometimes stitched underneath - between the legs with ties on the sides and at the top of the codpiece to position it-to the 'pants' (waist to mid thigh short pants worn under the skirts of the 'jerkin'.)The hose are worn under the pants and laced/tied to the pants.You also shape the hose when cutting to the leg and foot.(Be warned a codpiece feels unusual and your man is going to have to get used to wearing it - the bits and bobs are placed into the codpiece rather like a cricket cup,drawing the shirt thru' the legs from the back helps a good bit.Knickers were worn although a bit later from what I've pieced together.) I don't find Norris terribly reliable since he becomes 'creative' and I've based a costume on his work in conjunction with a painting with a good bit of tinkering on my part as I loathed the actual pants part when I found out the original combination. Marcus. On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 04:53 pm, Linda J. Thompson wrote: > What did the men wear under the doublet, skirted jerkin combo... Was it > simply a pair of hosen, with the padded codpiece attached to them? Or > what did the codpiece attach to? I am referring to the size of > codpiece you see in the Henry VIII pictures. > > Is Norris a reliable source for this one? > > Thanks > -- Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03233 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:25:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGQxfc029853; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGQxr1016856; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (mta1-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGMwr1016020 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:22:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.1.255]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221162256.GOJF277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:22:56 +0000 Subject: Codpiece/Norris Re: [h-cost] Tudor mens question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DFF5682.5060705@comcast.net> Message-Id: <40447E31-1508-11D7-B10D-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:18:41 +0000 Status: RO Linda I missed part of this thread,so forgive me if I've jumped in here but circa 1540 the codpiece is laced,sometimes stitched underneath - between the legs with ties on the sides and at the top of the codpiece to position it-to the 'pants' (waist to mid thigh short pants worn under the skirts of the 'jerkin'.)The hose are worn under the pants and laced/tied to the pants.You also shape the hose when cutting to the leg and foot.(Be warned a codpiece feels unusual and your man is going to have to get used to wearing it - the bits and bobs are placed into the codpiece rather like a cricket cup,drawing the shirt thru' the legs from the back helps a good bit.Knickers were worn although a bit later from what I've pieced together.) I don't find Norris terribly reliable since he becomes 'creative' and I've based a costume on his work in conjunction with a painting with a good bit of tinkering on my part as I loathed the actual pants part when I found out the original combination. Marcus. On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 04:53 pm, Linda J. Thompson wrote: > What did the men wear under the doublet, skirted jerkin combo... Was it > simply a pair of hosen, with the padded codpiece attached to them? Or > what did the codpiece attach to? I am referring to the size of > codpiece you see in the Henry VIII pictures. > > Is Norris a reliable source for this one? > > Thanks > -- Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03266 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:30:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGWCfc000119; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGWBr1018051; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGV3r1017729 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m81.in-tch.com [216.166.191.81]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLGEpj18722 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:14:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E049761.304CD088@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] mail coming in References: <20021221161214.GO8755@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:31:29 -0700 Status: RO Thanks, Elizabeth. I've seen this happen occasionally on other lists. Stuff getting submitted on the weekends, but not coming through until the work week, etc. At that point, I think it had something to do with the way the email was being routed--regional servers or something? Apparently, traffic can get backed up, and it clears itself in clumps. --sue Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > Okay, I'm asking my sysadmin what was up, since all of the headers > I've checked on the 'lost lamb' messages indicate the messages were > indeed hung on one of Indra's machines. Thanks to everyone for their > patience and assistance while this was cleared up. > > And if you're STILL not seeing your own posts, it might be the whole > to you from yourself things still, so let me know if that continues to > be a problem. > > ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03291 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGZ2fc000237; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGZ1r1018693; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGYor1018624; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00823; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:44:38 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List , Elizabeth Lear Subject: Re: [h-cost] List problems? In-Reply-To: <20021221135635.GH8755@net.indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:44:38 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > Someone who unsubbed from the list also reported getting new/old > messages - I think we may have found the problem! It's looking like > there was a plug-up somewhere keeping some mail from being delivered. > Could you send me some of the new/old messages with the complete mail > headers, please? I just checked my mail this morning to find 85 new h-cost messages dating as far back as 12/11, and that doesn't count today's mail. Elizabeth, I have them all saved with complete headers in case you need them. Let me know whether you still need samples. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 11:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03296 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:34:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGa0fc000270; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGa0r1018934; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLGZEr1018728 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m81.in-tch.com [216.166.191.81]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLGJ3j19892 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:19:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E04985C.9C40D9C5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 11th century Scottish attire References: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:35:40 -0700 Status: RO Are the actors gonna flash the audience, while wearing their terribly-authentic kilts? Is the female lead going to wear pink velour? Okay, so I adored the movie as a movie (I even have it on tape), but the authenticity level is *shuddersome,* both in historical and clothing terms. --sue Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Hi all, > > I thought you might be amused to hear of a production of Macbeth where > the director insists on authentic Scottish dress. > As shown in 'Braveheart' > > best wishes > Stevie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 12:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03381 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:01:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLH32fc001087; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLH31r1025392; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLH2Ur1025237 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Pn1B-0001ci-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:02:29 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c2a913$4e8afec0$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Death and the Two Towers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:06:26 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Death nearly came to the technician running the Two Towers at the Barbican Cinema yesterday; we lost sound 10 minutes or so from the end. And when he got it back he decided not to bother rerunning the dialogue, apparently on the grounds that it might hold up the next screening... After storming the manager's office, at the head of a trusty band of comrades I'd never met before, I allowed myself to be placated by free tickets for all. But it was a damned close-run thing... Incidently, don't, whatever you do, look at the website selling the official LOTR copy costumes. Being turned to stone would be a preferable fate. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 12:27:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03419 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:27:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHTAfc002174; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:29:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHT8r1002233; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHSnr1002091 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:28:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234948pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.182.133]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7H00AXGCI4NO@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:27:41 -0500 (EST) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E04B29D.80805@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <20021221100700.23291.31696.Mailman@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: digest list oddities Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:27:41 -0500 Status: RO I hadn't even noticed that there was a problem, since some were still coming through... until a few minutes ago I suddenly received a *bunch* of digests from various dates. Odd -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 12:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03423 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHU5fc002257; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHU4r1002534; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHT5r1002207 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PnQu-0002SG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:29:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c2a917$057cc480$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:33:05 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I've been looking at http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg and am puzzled by the fabric described as 'purple (velvet?) houppelande, lined with green over a red undergown' It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 12:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03456 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:36:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHc1fc002548; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHc0r1004482; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHbQr1004318 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBLI5SaB005766 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:05:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBLI5JgE005764 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:05:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212211305.18659.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBLHbQr1004318 Subject: [h-cost] List problems. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:05:18 -0500 Status: RO Interesting. Today, I'm receiving--again--messages I got as long ago as the 11th. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 13:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03518 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:01:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLI33fc003535; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLI31r1011102; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBLI2tr1011037 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:02:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgp1T8V4NypM4JjCx2w6JAMGO3BoEyHLiQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLKS8HNW; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:02:24 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? Message-ID: <20021221.130142.-66213.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:45:29 -0500 Status: RO I just figured everyone was busy with the holidays until I was hit with 122 new messages this morning. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 13:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03522 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLI3Ffc003551; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLI3Er1011174; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBLI2tr1011036 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:02:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgp1T8V4NypM4JjCx2w6JAMPYhV/bsP+uw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLKS8HNY; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:02:24 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Noel Noel! Message-ID: <20021221.130142.-66213.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:01:41 -0500 Status: RO Love the site. Some new information and some I already knew, but very interesting and well written. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 13:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03615 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHl1fc002908; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHl0r1006812; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLHkGr1006618 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.1.255]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221174614.QWZH21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:46:14 +0000 Subject: Nice/Re: [h-cost] Noel Noel! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:41:40 +0000 Status: RO Very nice. Marcus. On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 04:55 am, Maggie Secara wrote: > > Hi everyone -- > > Thought perhaps in honor of the season some of the late period gang at > least would like to see the new page I've added to the Renaissance site. > > Keeping an Elizabethan Christmas is at > > > Let me know what you think! > > > MaggiRos > ~The Elizabethan World is http://ren.dm.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 14:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03721 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJ33fc005774; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJ31r1027041; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBLJ18r1026431 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgp1T8V4NypMYXYT1nMq2AXoCNgRGTIHdA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLKWJS3A; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:00:27 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View Message-ID: <20021221.135902.-66213.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Status: RO Fantastic. Just curious, Penny do you ever take time to sleep? You are such a busy, talented lady. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 14:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03788 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:21:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJN1fc006933; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJN0r1002501; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJMWr1002409 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:22:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-004casfrmp051.dialsprint.net ([158.252.211.53]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PpCh-0000U2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:22:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:22:55 -0800 Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote: >I've been looking at > >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ > >http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg > >and am puzzled by the fabric described as 'purple (velvet?) houppelande, >lined with green over a red undergown' > >It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? Different monitors and different operating systems display colors differently, so i can only say what i see. On my monitor, the outer houpelande appears to have an outer layer of dark purple and an inner layer of green. Both appear to be fabric. However, the edging on the sleeves and the "yoke" in the front appear to be of grey fur. There's a band that matches the sleeve edging on the skirt hem in the lower right corner, and it doesn't look very furry there. The inner sleeves appear more gold to me than green - i assume there are other colors besides the gold, but what they are isn't clear. The underskirt is a rich orange. It's sure cold in my house, and i would love to have a large warm woolen dress lined with real fur :-) Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 14:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03885 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJs3fc008474; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJs0r1009862; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLJrgr1009819 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:53:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBLJrgVn009817 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:53:42 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 Message-ID: <20021221195342.GZ8755@net.indra.com> References: <003d01c2a917$057cc480$a81624d9@dan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003d01c2a917$057cc480$a81624d9@dan> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:53:42 -0700 Status: RO Stevie: > http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg > It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? It looks *exactly* like a purple cotton velvet that I have in my garb closet. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 15:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03998 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:23:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLKP4fc010116; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLKP0r1017952; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLKOmr1017860 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m186.in-tch.com [216.166.191.186]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBLK8bj02784 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:08:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E04CE29.693A3DE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 References: <003d01c2a917$057cc480$a81624d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:25:13 -0700 Status: RO Uh, at least in this link, I think it looks like fabric. I didn't see any of the fuzzy edges or brushstrokes I normally associate with someone painting fur....Plus, the folds of fabric are pretty "sharp,"...gack, wrong adjective but the best I can do for the moment. If this were fur, it'd be pretty thin...there doesn't seem to be all *that* much bulk to the skirt, and the folds aren't as rounded as I'd expect them to be if the lining had significant nap. I s'pose it could be closely-shaven fur of some sort, but it still looks more like fabric. Cool website, by the way....I'm not much into 15th c. stuff that's non-Italian, but I could be persuaded to change my mind ....lord knows, it wouldn't be the first time! --sue's two pence worth Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been looking at > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ > > http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg > > and am puzzled by the fabric described as > > 'purple (velvet?) houppelande, lined with green over a red undergown' > > It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? > > best wishes > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04160 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:02:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLL43fc011421; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLL40r1028048; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLL3Yr1027947 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PqmT-0005qv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <005901c2a934$fbb48320$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:07:34 -0000 Status: RO Anahita wrote: > Stevie Gamble wrote: > >I've been looking at > > > >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ > > > >http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg > > > >and am puzzled by the fabric described as 'purple (velvet?) houppelande, > >lined with green over a red undergown' > > > >It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? > > Different monitors and different operating systems display colors > differently, so i can only say what i see. > > On my monitor, the outer houpelande appears to have an outer layer of > dark purple and an inner layer of green. Both appear to be fabric. > > However, the edging on the sleeves and the "yoke" in the front appear > to be of grey fur. There's a band that matches the sleeve edging on > the skirt hem in the lower right corner, and it doesn't look very > furry there. Taking the grey fur first, it seems to be the usual bogstandard grey squirrel, used on a vast scale by anyone who could afford it in this time period. Grey squirrel really isn't very furry by most 21st century standards:-) http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/campbellp393.jpg which is another Magdalen by Weydan, gives a much clearer example. Note the jewelled underdress appropriate to someone who could afford the fur. Since Weyden painted for wealthy patrons he was pretty good at painting luxurious items; see also http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp14.jpg for yet more squirrel fur. Returning to the first Magdalen, the first problem I have with the 'velvet' over garment is the length of pile as painted; it seems too long for a reproduction of velvet. It is, however, an accurate rendition of a short haired fur. The second is that it looks like a doublet, not a full length garment; look at the way the pleats seem to vanish into thin air. I cannot imagine a way of draping the skirt to give that effect. If it weren't so incredibly expensive I would wonder whether the Magdalen's squirrel lined green overdress seen in other paintings as well as this was a studio property, with another jerkin length outer fur added for a bit of variety. > It's sure cold in my house, and i would love to have a large warm > woolen dress lined with real fur :-) Yes, I can imagine. I'm lucky to have good heating; my problems start when I go outside. And even then, by comparison with many members of this list, it's positively tropical here in the City of London; the office blocks pump out huge amounts of heat. But it brings home to one that fur was worn for intensely practical reasons alongside those of fashion. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04176 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLD2fc011702; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLD1r1000359; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLCFr1029986 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:12:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from opalsun (pm3d-148.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.148]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id gBLLCCL01193 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lecturing in California Message-ID: <000301c2a935$d8be34a0$0fa5fea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E031196.1F6D11C9@2xtreme.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:56:35 -0800 Status: RO Ditto, in Davis.... Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Stephen Bergdahl > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:48 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lecturing in California > > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > For those who are interested: I'll be lecturing on Friday, > Jan. 24, in > > Santa Cruz, California, on the Gothic fitted dress and the > Greenland gored > > gown. The lecture is being sponsored by several SCA groups > in that area > > and the kingdom's costuming guild. > > > > So close and yet so far, as I sit here in Sacramento. > > -- > Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich > www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm > > Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com > Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings > Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04196 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLJ3fc011902; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLJ1r1001861; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.138]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLICr1001666 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:18:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:18:06 -0800 Received: from 68.67.176.192 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.67.176.192] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Noel Noel! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2002 21:18:06.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[746EC5E0:01C2A936] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:18:06 -0800 Status: RO Hi Stevie--and thanks. That's the next part of the project. The Compendium is meant to be just that, a notebook. I have a lot more stuff already from Hutton's later book, but way too much for a Compendium page. I haven't seen "Merry England" yet, but "Stations of the Sun" references it a lot. Also, I'm only going for what I can show was actually Tudor/Elizabethan practice, not for a history of Christmas. Sometime soon (but not in time for this year) there will be a whole section just for Christmas, which eventually will include other holidays as well. Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net >From: "Stevie Gamble" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Noel Noel! >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:45:20 -0000 > >Hi all, > >MaggiRos wrote: > > > Thought perhaps in honor of the season some of the late period gang >at least > > would like to see the new page I've added to the Renaissance site. > > > > Keeping an Elizabethan Christmas is at > > > >Lovely, indeed, but you might like to read, and cite, Ronald Hutton's >'Rise and Fall of Merry England', which has a great deal more >information on this. > >best wishes >Stevie > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04237 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLV2fc013292; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLV1r1005766; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLUrr1005724 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBLLQDp29817 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-004casfrmp051.dialsprint.net ([158.252.211.53]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Pr8O-0002IU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:26:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:26:31 -0800 Status: RO marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > > Unfortunately, the victorians _loved_ color combinations that we would > > consider hideous. > >Absolutely correct. > > > I saw a very similar dress made up in violet and fuschia. > > It was horrible, but very, very period. Somewhere, I have a book that a > > writer from the period bemoans english women's lack of taste in colors. > >Seems to have been more universal that merely English taste when you get >to see examples from other countries. > > > Since all the photos we have from the period are black and white, we > > sometimes forget what colors were actually used. > >Very true. I've often wondered how much we the viewers superimpose our >own colour tastes when looking at those black and white photos? > > > I've seen plenty of dresses from > > that period that combine colors like brown and blue and purple all in > > the same dress. > >Ditto. You shudder at some of the combinations and wonder just who would >be able to look good in those colours. Yes, but the idea was not to pick colors that "look good" on someone by our modern standards, rather, the idea is to look as fashionable as you can afford and as your social status will allow. If anyone does historical re-creation costuming and worries about picking colors that look good on them by modern standards is not quite doing historical re-creation. Now i understand that if someone is spending large sums of money on fabric and huge blocks of time on a "costume" they want it to look good on them. So of course we make compromises, unless we are really trying to re-create as closely as possible a surviving garment or one in a painting. My clothing is simple in shape because of the times and places i do - Near East between 2nd to 16th centuries. I pick colors that look close to the dyes i know they used. These are not colors i normally wear - indigo (navy just does not look "good" on me, but i end up wearing a lot of it), blue-red to orange-red to orange (again, a range of colors i usually avoid), yellows (ditto). And as much gold in the fabric as i can find for 15th and 16th centuries - and i don't like bright metallic stuff. I'm not looking for colors that look good on me, but colors and patterns that look like what people wore then. The few times i've made mid-19th c. clothing, i've picked fabrics that had colors that looked close to those i've seen surviving from the time - again, not colors i normally wear. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04243 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:31:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLW0fc013321; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLW0r1005999; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLVPr1005853 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01837; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:35:56 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Colleen McDonald Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 In-Reply-To: <003d01c2a917$057cc480$a81624d9@dan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:35:56 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > I've been looking at > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ > > http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg > > and am puzzled by the fabric described as > > 'purple (velvet?) houppelande, lined with green over a red undergown' > > It looks like fur rather than fabric. Any views, anyone? Let us neatly sidestep the question of monitor resolution and color reproduction and go to the hardcopy... First, for accuracy's sake, let's note that there's some doubt that it's a van de Weyden. One source I have, which I believe is more recent than Vos, puts this as "workshop" or "follower" of van de Weyden. It's dated 1440-1445 in this book. The painting is in Berlin. My reproduction is tiny and not useful, and I can't find it in my 15 or so other books on Flemish painting. I just ploughed through all my Berlin postcards, but no joy, and no museum catalog. What little I can tell you is that while the Mary in tht painting is a near-direct steal from another van der Weyden, the Magdalen (whom we're concerned with) is not. My book is in French, and I'm not clear enough on the caption on this to state for sure, but it seems some of the picture was repainted or changed since the original. Colleen -- you have this book in English (Kemperdick). What's the caption on figure 49? My image appears to have green at the V-edge of the collar and the oversleeve edges; on the online version, these are an indeterminate greyish color on my monitor. I'm more confused about the swath of green going across her lap; if the uncrinkled edge is the hem, the skirt has done some Mobius strip sort of thing and turned the lining to the outside, or it's got a broad band of green at the bottom, or it's folded in a way I can't comprehend. Perhaps the artist (or restorer?) didn't know either. I wouldn't assume that the dress itself is fur. I don't think I've ever seen fur used for the outer "fabric" of the gown in this period, just edges and linings. I'd go with velvet. But what else is happening here is beyond me. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 16:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04257 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:39:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLe4fc013615; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLe2r1008081; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLLdVr1007966 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01887 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:49:21 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 In-Reply-To: <005901c2a934$fbb48320$a81624d9@dan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:49:21 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > The second is that it looks like a doublet, not a full length garment; > look at the way the pleats seem to vanish into thin air. I cannot > imagine a way of draping the skirt to give that effect. This is one of the few bits of that skirt I could figure out :-) You're missing a layer of overlap. The pleats don't disappear; they're covered at that point with a roll of the skirt from lower down that has been hiked up to that spot and laid across the lap. If she looked down at her lap she's see a pouch that she could carry something in if she wanted. You can follow the line of the hiked-up bit coming around from behind her right hip. It's the drapery around her *left* hip that's driving me bats. Van der Weyden was equaled only by van Eyck in his rendering of fabric and clothing. But I think this lady is not in his hand. The woman's face and figure are enough to suggest that. So I'm not going to trust the dress as much as I'd trust one of Rogier's own. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 17:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04347 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:24:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMP3fc015255; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMP2r1018825; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium.btinternet.com (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMODr1018608 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Ps2W-0006CQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:24:12 +0000 Message-ID: <006e01c2a940$3ff7ca00$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting by Rogier van der Weydan, c. 1425-30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:28:13 -0000 Status: RO Robin wrote > > The second is that it looks like a doublet, not a full length garment; > > look at the way the pleats seem to vanish into thin air. I cannot > > imagine a way of draping the skirt to give that effect. > > This is one of the few bits of that skirt I could figure out :-) > > You're missing a layer of overlap. The pleats don't disappear; they're > covered at that point with a roll of the skirt from lower down that has > been hiked up to that spot and laid across the lap. If she looked down at > her lap she's see a pouch that she could carry something in if she wanted. > You can follow the line of the hiked-up bit coming around from behind her > right hip. Um, I'm still having difficulties in seeing it. If you put the two details at http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/vosp14.jpg and http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/vosp177.jpg side by side it seems obvious that one is possible and one is not. The play of light on a part of a dress being swept round from the right hip across the lap would be quite different, as is shown in the first scan. > It's the drapery around her *left* hip that's driving me bats. Well, that too:-) > Van der Weyden was equaled only by van Eyck in his rendering of fabric and > clothing. But I think this lady is not in his hand. The woman's face and > figure are enough to suggest that. So I'm not going to trust the dress as > much as I'd trust one of Rogier's own. Certainly; as soon as one looks at the paintings side by side it's obvious that either he had had a very rough fortnight or someone else painted it. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 18:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04393 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMc1fc015719; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMc0r1021965; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMbRr1021822 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.30.26]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221223726.TVZT21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <03CF6BBD-153B-11D7-BCB3-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Gates of hell Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:22:04 +0000 Status: RO Robin, I'm still tracking down those references to the 'gates of hell' you mentioned.Currently I'm trying to find them in printed religious banns.Can you give me the rough period dates again - I've misplaced my note on this question,with this pending move in January.(If the cat didn't move I probably wouldn't find her at the moment.) Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 18:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04396 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMb2fc015674; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMb1r1021717; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLMasr1021689 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:36:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.30.26]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021221223651.TVTZ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:36:51 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4882BB21-153A-11D7-BCB3-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Vanity thy name is man/Fashion plate dress 1851 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:16:49 +0000 Status: RO On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 09:26 pm, lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > Yes, but the idea was not to pick colors that "look good" on someone by > our modern standards, rather, the idea is to look as fashionable as you > can afford and as your social status will allow. True Anahita - you make a sound point. Hehehe but you must agree some of those period combinations can take a good bit of courage not to say adjusting too. : >>> > > If anyone does historical re-creation costuming and worries about > picking colors that look good on them by modern standards is not quite > doing historical re-creation. Another good general point. But as you say most of us make compromises. However,looking 'good' was as important then as it is now and there were any number of contributing factors in every age,period,fashion and culture.And admittedly not every choice was probably the most flattering on many occasions. For myself and my Hindu persona thats most of the fun. Isn't the challenge and eventual success a thrill for you too? > > My clothing is simple in shape because of the times and places i do - > Near East between 2nd to 16th centuries. I pick colors that look close > to the dyes i know they used. These are not colors i normally wear - > indigo (navy just does not look "good" on me, but i end up wearing a > lot of it), blue-red to orange-red to orange (again, a range of colors > i usually avoid), yellows (ditto). And as much gold in the fabric as i > can find for 15th and 16th centuries - and i don't like bright metallic > stuff. I'm not looking for colors that look good on me, but colors and > patterns that look like what people wore then. I think there is a chance that even with a limited Historic colour palette or unusual Historic colour combinations available re-enactors can still look both accurate,good and feel satisfaction with their efforts all at the same time. Another aspect of the pleasure factor for me,is being able to wear/buy textiles I don't get to use or play with every day in a male wardrobe of the 2stC. Originally my persona palette was very close to the colours I'd wear/worn for a very very long time in daily life.Although not entirely applicable since I've moved into more autumnal colours for day to day wear these days. > > The few times i've made mid-19th c. clothing, i've picked fabrics that > had colors that looked close to those i've seen surviving from the > time - again, not colors i normally wear. In my opinion thats admirable and what everyone seems to strive for.Especially in many instances on this list and the folks I dealt with back in the States. When I put together my Elizabethan wardrobe back in the USA,I chose colours of the period that I liked and felt that I could live with for a longish timeframe.And its only too true as far as my current Hindu persona is concerned.And when I stretch a point I know why - inevitably its for the sheer fun and pleasure of it. Therefore in my case,I can only say that vanity thy name is man. < : >>>> Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 18:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04464 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:46:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN4Efc016654; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN40r1027987; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN3Lr1027815 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02148 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:13:11 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gates of hell In-Reply-To: <03CF6BBD-153B-11D7-BCB3-0003936A9570@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:13:11 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > I'm still tracking down those references to the 'gates of hell' you > mentioned.Currently I'm trying to find them in printed religious > banns.Can you give me the rough period dates again - I've misplaced my > note on this question,with this pending move in January.(If the cat > didn't move I probably wouldn't find her at the moment.) You sent this to the list, so I'll respond there. For those who came in late, this refers to a question I raised some time ago about the origin of the use of the phrase "gates of hell" to refer to the sideless surcote. The period would be about 1340-1400, with a little flopover possible on either side of that. Many thanks for keeping your eye out; please don't go to extra effort on my behalf, as it's certainly not urgent! My gut feeling is that this was certainly not a period *noun* for the garment, though it's used that way commonly today (particularly in some parts of the SCA). I have a vague recollection of reading in some bad Victorian costume book that "preachers of the Middle Ages compared these side openings the Gates of Hell because the view of the female figure tempted men into lustful acts." I suspect that it's some secondary source refrence like this that is to blame for the common modern usage in the costume community. What I'd like to find out was whether there *is* any record of 14th century preachers, or anyone else, likening these garments to the Gates of Hell, so I can find out what quote might have been picked up by the later costume writer. And if anyone notices this phrase in a costume book, please let me know, as I have yet to track down the culprit. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 18:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04468 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:46:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN62fc016734; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN61r1028449; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLN5Fr1028303 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02165 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:15:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lecturing in California In-Reply-To: <000301c2a935$d8be34a0$0fa5fea9@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:15:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Stephen wrote: > > So close and yet so far, as I sit here in Sacramento. Margo wrote: > Ditto, in Davis.... Well, Davis and Sacramento are near each other. Maybe enough critical mass to get me out there for another visit ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 19:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04561 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM0A3fc019587; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM0A0r1013586; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM098r1013314 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBM0bGaB006556; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:37:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBM0bG41006554; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:37:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, marcus findlay-arthur Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vanity thy name is man/Fashion plate dress 1851 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <4882BB21-153A-11D7-BCB3-0003936A9570@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <4882BB21-153A-11D7-BCB3-0003936A9570@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212211937.15895.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBM098r1013314 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:37:15 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 21 December 2002 06:16 pm, marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 09:26 pm, lilinah@earthlink.net > > wrote: >[text cut here] > > I think there is a chance that even with a limited Historic colour > palette or unusual Historic colour combinations available re-enactors > can still look both accurate,good and feel satisfaction with their > efforts all at the same time. My sentiments exactly. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 20:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04755 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:01:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM123fc021448; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM121r1025478; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM11Br1025302 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:01:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-22-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.22.168] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PuUQ-0004mP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:01:10 +0000 Message-ID: <009e01c2a956$2d1f41e0$a81624d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Request for advice on 'velvet' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:05:10 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I almost bankrupted myself buying two velvet-like 'table covers' on Ebay, at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2222&item=92312 5757&rd=1 and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=921012275 The pictures are still up, though possibly not for long. Both have now arrived, and I would be interested in peoples ideas on the origins of these pieces before I commit sacrilege and turn them into a Victorian/Edwardian/1930s Renaissance Revival costume. Both have long pile, and a lot of different bright colours, but the 'cut velvet' is much softer to the touch, and has a somewhat thicker base fabric (for want of a better description). I haven't tried a burn test yet on either of them. I doubt that I'll ever lay my hands on anything closer to a Renaissance velvet, hence the urge to sacrilege, but if these sorts of pieces are reasonably common I'd feel less guilty about it... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 20:49:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04948 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM1o3fc022751; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM1o0r1005911; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM1nlr1005866 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:49:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-014casfrmp053.dialsprint.net ([158.252.218.55]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PvFS-0007QW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:49:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:49:09 -0800 Status: RO Well, for 2003 i'm going to cook fewer SCA feasts (between Nov 2001 and Sept 2002 i cooked 5 feasts all of historically accurate food for 90 to 150 people). I'm only cooking two in 2003. This way i'll have more time for: 1) Learning to embroider, especially focusing on Mamluk embroidery, then embroidering on the two re-created Mamluk linen tunics i've made and on the legs of a pair of linen sirwal. Of course, i don't expect to finish all this in 2003, but at least i can get it planned and started. 2) Making paper patterns from the first couple of 16th c. Persian prototype/test garments i made in 2002. Each was made from a different fabric width (i rip my modern fabrics to more historical fabric widths), so i need to make patterns for each. Then i have to finish the qaba' i have cut out and partially sewn - i really goofed and cut out 4 gores facing the same way. Once i do that, i have to make a paper pattern from it... And finally in this set, i have to make another set of 16th c. Persian garments using the fancy fabric cowering in a corner of my closet. 3) Making a prototype/test 16th c. Ottoman Turkish outfit by January 4th for an SCA event. If i get some of it done, and it's even close to what i want, then i'll spend some time this year making an "improved" outfit. I also dream of embroidering my gomlek - although i have only some not very detailed paintings to go on - it appears there was embroidery along or near seams and down the tops of the sleeves. Not sure what embroidery technique was used - i know some of the stitches that the Ottomans used, but i'm not sure which were on the gomlek. 4) Making some Near Eastern shoes - i have a whole book in French on those found in Egypt with some pretty good pictures and i can read French). And maybe even a pair of red leather stockings - i keep reading that Ottoman Turks wore leather stockings, so i'm going to have to figure out what the authors really mean... 5) And now for something completely different: making a new Elizabethan "corset", if i can find someone with some experience to help me. I understand the basics, but it's darned hard to fit oneself all alone... Nothing as ambitious as some folks' plans, but i try to be realistic, and honestly i'll be pleased if i achieve 3 of the above. al-Sayyida Anahita bint 'abd al-Karim al-Fassi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 22:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05167 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM38Gfc024793; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM382r1021763; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM373r1021505 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM38dPN018224 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:08:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3E052CCE.5030406@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:09:02 -0800 Status: RO To Mara- These aren't a teardrop pearl but, being on a hoop, maybe you could switch the round ones with some other available drop? http://www.ladysmaidjewels.com/Earrings/earrings.html Not much help I'm afraid, Theresa Eacker Kevin + Mara wrote: > Ok, folks, I am annoyed. > > I found the PERFECT earrings for the Susannah Fourment outfit on the web > site of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Unfortunately, when I ordered > them, I got a message saying that they are out of stock and won't be > restocked. > > The earrings are here: > http://www.metmuseum.org/store/st_family_viewer.asp?familyID={2AE28399-45B2-11D4-937D-00902786BF44}&shopperID=&FromPage=catjewelry&familyNo=13&catID={0373D311-9571-11D5-9402-00902786BF44} > > (or here > http://www.metmuseum.org/store/images/Z.jw.I1176.I1930.L%281%29.jpg) > > These are the earrings I'm trying to find: > http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rubens/rubens_susanna_fourment.jpg.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 22:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05364 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:56:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM3vBfc026006; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:57:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM3v3r1001926; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBM3ugr1001820 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:56:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021222035639.50927.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:56:39 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is going on with list..?????? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:56:39 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- annora wrote: >Something strange going on with mine too. In the > past few hours > I've gotten over 100 posts ranging in date from > 12/11 to 12/21. Some of > them are duplicates of messages I've gotten before, > some of them are new, > and they aren't in chronological order. This is exactly the same thing that I found waiting for me when I came online this morning (Sunday 22 in Australia)!!! About 120 of them! Wading through the remaining 44 now.... Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 21 23:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05390 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:04:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM454fc026163; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM452r1003552; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBM44Dr1003407 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:04:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021222040413.51469.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:04:13 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about 1540s Italian dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E046FE2.8DF0FDC3@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:04:13 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think the Lotto dress has some very unusual > qualities (the stripes > being the most notable), but there are lots of > examples of dresses in > other areas of Europe in the same (or close to the > same) time period > with fur linings. Or slashed sleeves. Or front > lacing. > And as for the flounce, there's at least one other > example, and that's > the dress I was first asking about.... Yes...all these elements exist somewhere, at some point in time, I just don't think they all existed together in the time and place Lotto was painting that particular dress.... > Maybe Lotto was combining stylistic elements from a > regional style, or > at least relatively unknown (the flounce, the > stripes, the headdress), > with other bits to make it look "old" or > "different," to contribute to > the allegorical theme? The slashed sleeves might > refer back to an > earlier style, for instance. The fur lining might > be something seen in > Northern Italian clothing, or in foreign > clothing.... Which is indeed what I said... "> > This is perhaps because this is an allegorical > > painting, and so the artist has used his artistic > > license to create something that's unusual, whilst > > still retaining enough of the contemporary look to > > have his viewers identify with the heroic > Lucrezia." Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 00:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05632 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5d1fc028351; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5d0C7022166; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5c2C7022021 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AFB9E963010E; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:38:01 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AFBA14AB00A8; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:38:02 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c2a97c$4f4424e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021221.135902.-66213.2.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:38:08 -0500 Status: RO Actually Lalah, I have been in bed most of the time since Sept. I have hurt my back really bad. I get up for an hour or two and then have to go back to bed. Working on the quilt... I go downstairs and work for an hour or until I hurt, then go back to bed for a couple more hours. If I am lucky, I get to work on the quilt 3 hours a day. I have about 12 blocks to the quilt finished!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 00:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05640 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5g0fc028450; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5g0C7022844; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5fOC7022727 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0832FA400F0; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:41:23 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A08418590094; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:41:24 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c2a97c$c7e7eee0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021221161214.GO8755@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mail coming in X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:41:30 -0500 Status: RO Thank you for checking Eliz!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 00:42:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05644 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5h0fc028485; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5h0C7023140; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM5gVC7022983 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0C6EA3E010E; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:42:30 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A0C716520096; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:42:31 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c2a97c$efa67e60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> <03c601c2a7ad$53991f80$31baee0c@c59303a> <000801c2a903$f17a10e0$a81624d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:42:37 -0500 Status: RO Stevie, Try calling the two phone numbers that I sent. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 07:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07011 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:29:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMCU8fc006951; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMCU1C7003033; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f184.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMCTxC7003011 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:27:03 -0800 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:27:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 12:27:03.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EE82EC0:01C2A9B5] Subject: [h-cost] Pilum and caps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:27:03 +0000 Status: RO This is the reference to a cap /'pilum' from Chelmsford records office. T/A 418/1/12 Repository: Essex Record Office Level: Category Records in public repositories Level: Fonds CALENDAR OF ESSEX ASSIZE RECORDS Level: Sub-Fonds Calendar of Essex Assize File [ASS 35/1/3] Assizes held at Brentwood 22 February 1559 Reference Code T/A 418/1/12 Scope and Content Indictment of John Brown of Good EAster Labourer, 16 Aug., broke into the house of John Jenkyns at Writtle betwen 1 and 3 o' clock in the afternoon and stole a doublet (tunicam) worth 13s.4d., ajeerkin worth 8s., a cap (pilum) worth 2s.,4d., pieces of money called "a dobell dokett" worth 15s., "a Frenche crowne" worth 6s.8d., a "half a Inglyshe crowne" worth 2s.6d., and 3s in money belonging to Edw., Fuller. Pleads not guilty; not guilty. [ASS 35/1/3/12] Accumilation Dates 16 August 1558 Acquisition Date From 1558 Acquisition Date To 1558 This is one of the easier records to read. It's a mixture of English with the odd word here and there translated. One of the most intersting things about these records is the complete lack of standardisation of spelling! Some records show different spellings within the same document for the same item. regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 08:19:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07113 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMDK1fc007847; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMDK0C7011339; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMDJsC7011308 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:19:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.216]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A5432630CB for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:19:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] update of dress diary. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:22:49 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I have upldated the dressdiary with new pictures of the finished left side of skirt. Merry Christmas to you all!!! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 10:25:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07366 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:25:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFQ2fc010773; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFQ0C7004368; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFP1C7004226 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-3-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.3.162] helo=dan) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Q7yO-0000Is-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:25:00 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c2a9ce$db8cf380$a20327d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> <03c601c2a7ad$53991f80$31baee0c@c59303a> <000801c2a903$f17a10e0$a81624d9@dan> <003a01c2a97c$efa67e60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:29:02 -0000 Status: RO Penny wrote > Try calling the two phone numbers that I sent. > The info you gave was: 'I tell our students who need assistance that they can call Paypal's customer service at 1-888-221-1161 or 402-935-7733 M-F, 6AM to midnight, Central Standard Time.' I don't propose to pay for long distance telephone calls from the UK to the USA trying to sort out why they don't reply to my emails. Few people would... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 10:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07426 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:50:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFp5fc011402; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFp1C7009249; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFoYC7009149 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-108-37.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.108.37]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANW13529; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:48:29 GMT Message-ID: <002601c2a9d2$9a6c2480$256c4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021219105601.008376a0@pop.directcon.net> <03c601c2a7ad$53991f80$31baee0c@c59303a> <000801c2a903$f17a10e0$a81624d9@dan> <003a01c2a97c$efa67e60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <003301c2a9ce$db8cf380$a20327d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Paypal warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:55:50 -0000 Status: RO Suggest you sign up with onetel for your telephone a US call is 0.5p more than a national one (last time I looked) and well worth it if you do any business abroad Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 13:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12085 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMIV2fc017163; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMIV0du013750; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBMIUtdu013709 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWr9Lxo/qNkniwKOwdnuaPsSDNfh46fVcXg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLNE8EX8; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:30:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View Message-ID: <20021222.132856.-407753.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:28:55 -0500 Status: RO Ooooh, Penny, I am so sorry about your back. I broke mine in my wild and crazy youth and have had problems with it ever since so I can sure sympathize with you. Hope you get better soon. I will send lots of good thoughts your way. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 14:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12207 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJA4fc018645; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJA0du023259; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail5.kc.rr.com (fe5.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJ9udu023233 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:09:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com ([65.30.107.115]) by mail5.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:04:16 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021222131150.00a0cc00@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of dress diary. In-Reply-To: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:12:40 -0600 Status: RO Wow!!!! You are still the master! Sheryl Nance-Durst At 02:22 PM 12/22/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello. >I have upldated the dressdiary with new pictures of the finished left side >of skirt. > >Merry Christmas to you all!!! > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 14:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12291 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:45:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJk1fc019954; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJk0du002508; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMJj2du002299 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p25.directcon.net [206.170.184.124]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBMJiuOP005705; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:44:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021222114858.0086eec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment In-Reply-To: <3E052CCE.5030406@misc.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:48:58 -0800 Status: RO If you're just looking for the standard teardrop pearl on a hoop, why not make some? I buy the small hoop earrings at K-mart and the like, and add a teardrop pearl strung on a headpin. Most bead stores have the pearls, and all of them have the headpins. The most expensive part of the deal is buying a pair of roundnose pliers, but you want those anyway, right? I mean, they're a TOOL!! That you can use for costuming! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 15:19:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12429 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:19:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMKK2fc021004; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMKK0du010085; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBMKJpdu010044 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:19:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25732 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 19:58:12 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 19:58:12 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-132.sonic.net [209.148.112.132]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBMJwBA20224 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:11 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3E0619C3.2EC972C9@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Diderot prints for sale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:00:03 -0800 Status: RO Recently a dealer sent me a small group of pages disbound (by someone) from an unknown (to him) book, dated by the type of paper to the early-to-mid 18th century. They show patterns for men's garments and he thought I might want to use them in a book. Unfortunately for me, they are quite identifiably from Diderot's encyclopedia--I have modern books that reprint the same pages. If they'd been something that didn't have a modern reprint, I'd have been thrilled. Anyway, they're very interesting but not of any practical use to me. Maybe someone in the group would like to buy them? The page size is about 8 1/4" by 12." The prints are plates 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 9 of Diderot's section of the art of the "tailleur," and "tailleur d'habits," or makers of men's clothing, at least some of it ecclesiastical. Plate 3 shows "Coupe de Drap de cinq quarts pour Habit, l'este et Culotte &c, et mesures [the notched paper slips used for measuring], aulne, etc." Plate 4 shows "Etosse [etoffe?], de Drap de different Aubnage pour Requelaure et Collets, pour Soutanelle, Volantet Soutan. Plate 5 shows "Etosses droites pour Soutanne, Robe de Chanbre, Robe de Palais, representees par moit." Plate 6 shows "Grand Manteau de 4 Aulnes de drap Etosse droite pour Robe de Chanbre, et Voile ou Taffetas pour Manteau d'Abbe." Plate 7 shows "Etoisses etroite pour Habillemans Manteau long d'Abbe." Plate 9 has no caption, however it seems to represent ecclestiastical clothing. Please forgive the lack of accents in my mailer editor, any typos, and my inability to translate accurately from French. These pages have all been reprinted in various books that reprint Diderot plates, so if you want them it might well be for framing, or just to own original Diderot pages. The dealer says that the paper type is early to mid 18th century and I see no reason to doubt him. However, it's not like I've ever seen the whole book these were disbound from. The paper is rag paper and in much better condition than many wood pulp publications from the second half of the 19th century that I own. However, there are small nicks in the edges (especially where the string used to sew the signature together was) and the paper is a bit yellowed, especially close to the edges (but it may never have been bright white). Note: I am professionally a publisher of new publications, not a seller or appraiser of antique ones. The price of the plates is $30 each plus insured shipping. I'd prefer to sell all six as a lot and also, to get payment right away. These are essentially on consignment to me, and if I'm not selling them I want to send them back to the person who sent them to me. Thanks, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 17:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12850 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMM42fc024279; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMM41du004364; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMM3Tdu004236 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:03:30 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA05.BAB5481A" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] another 14th c block print Thread-Index: AcKo9iny7kQkgyjhQlKPcGtnwfqpGwBDgQgs From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Subject: [h-cost] button problem - help? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:01:50 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA05.BAB5481A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I have somewhat of a button emergency, and I'm hoping that one of the = knowledgable folks here will have some ideas. Two years ago, I bought 40 buttons at Britex in San Francisco. You'd = think that when you buy 40 of a button they are all the same, right? = Unfortunately, now that I am going to use them for a competition = project, I'm find that they are not all the same. (I know I should have = checked sooner.) The design is the same on all of the - shank button = with a line of small dots between two edges around the outside and a = lozenge pattern inside the circle. The problem is the background - on = 23 of the buttons it is definitely black (looks like enamel or niello) = and on 17 buttons, the background is the same metal color as the raised = design. =20 I need at least 30 of the buttons to be the same - and have tried = soaking the black ones in jewelry cleaner to see if the color was the = result of dirt. So far, it is not looking like it. =20 Questions for the list are: 1. Do you think that there is a quick, easy way to add black to the = buttons that don't have it? Suggestions so far are black spray paint = and then quickly wipe the ridges with a clean cloth, and hand painting = the black in somehow. Thoughts? 2. For those who have worked with Britex, do you think they would be = helpful if I called to try to match the buttons? I would need to email = them a picture of the ones that I am looking for, so I'm not sure if = they would be receptive. 3. Can anyone recommend a site that has shank buttons with designs = appropriate for the 14th century? I don't have a clue where to start = and can't afford to spend days searching the web for this. Thanks! 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Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:51:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMq3fc025907; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMq1du015989; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMpZdu015847 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-3-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.3.162] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18QEwX-00002Z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: <012b01c2aa0d$3d6ac760$a20327d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] button problem - help? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:55:35 -0000 Status: RO Colleen wrote: 1. Do you think that there is a quick, easy way to add black to the buttons that don't have it? Suggestions so far are black spray paint and then quickly wipe the ridges with a clean cloth, and hand painting the black in somehow. Thoughts? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - If they are silver, or a base metal with copper, you can buy oxidising chemicals from a jeweller's suppliers which will blacken the whole thing within seconds. After that you lightly sand down the raised portions to get the effect you want. If they are not those sorts of metals, or indeed, metal at all but polyester, then I can't think of anything other than using temporary water colour as a quick fix. That way you won't completely ruin the buttons for use in the long term. Good Luck! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 17:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13026 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMv1fc026167; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMv0du017173; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMMundu017113 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:56:50 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA0D.68B15D8A" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] button problem - help? Thread-Index: AcKqDM409Iv+M/xaSfWWPl7R05cfMwAADVbp From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Subject: [h-cost] button problem - solved! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:56:48 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA0D.68B15D8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Stevie, thanks for the idea. =20 What I ended up doing - I took a black Sharpie and colored a button, = then wiped off the raised edges. Voila! After it dried, it looked very = similar to the other buttons. Not necessarily a 14th century solution = to the problem, but one that will do and will keep me sane. Thanks! 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Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 18:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13169 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:39:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMNeEfc027872; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMNeDdu026693; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:40:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMFdqC7007133 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from myhouse-uh9sc63 ([68.12.242.212]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021222153947.VWOJ2284.lakemtao07.cox.net@myhouse-uh9sc63> for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:39:47 -0500 From: magdlena@cox.net To: h-costume@indra.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: magdlena@cox.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:34:16 -0800 Status: RO 12/20/2002 6:36:06 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > >I don't even have a clue whether there's a name for this type of fabric, >other than "metallic." "Cloth-of-gold" probably isn't right from a >historic sense, even if it's real gold. But I also don't know what might >be sold under that name today. > >Is there a name for fabric woven of metal threads? > http://www.srfabrics.com/silks/othersilks.htm Are you talking about the silk/metal tissue? It is commonly seen with silk running one way and metal thread in the other. Before washing, the fabric is very stiff, and can be bent. After washing, the silk shrinks, the metal doesn't, and the result is very crinkly. I have also seen it sold with rayon instead of silk for a lower price. Fabric.com calls what I think is the same/similar stuff metallic silk organza. (I haven't ordered any, so I am going mostly by what I see on my monitor.) http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-bridal---special-occasion-metallic-silk- organza.html > And I think, although I'm too lazy to go see, that Drea used the same stuff in a coif that she has up on her site in her wardrobe section. I'm about to make a set of Spanish sleeves with the gold tissue as the base. (The narrow sleeves with vertical slits bound down at intervals by horizontal bands.) -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 18:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13179 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:40:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMNe3fc027862; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMNe1du026629; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.donet.com (mail.donet.com [64.56.96.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBM7EvC7010587 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:14:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11087 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 07:14:46 -0000 X-Sender: mjh@pearlandplume.com Received: from dhcp065-024-125-020.columbus.rr.com (HELO ?65.24.125.20?) (65.24.125.20) by mail.donet.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 07:14:46 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Marsha Hamilton To: , Marsha Hamilton Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123367917_3331911_MIME_Part" Subject: [h-cost] Pearl drop earrings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:11:57 -0500 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123367917_3331911_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is probably too late on the search for pearl earrings but... I don't have a website yet but have made jewelry I've sold at shows. If any items in the attached picture fit your needs, e-mail for details. Prices for earrings shown are under $40. but are of quality material--vermeil, silver, gold-plate, freshwater & cultured baroque pearls, garnets, amethysts, aquamarine, etc. Picture may not transmit well but gives general idea. Apologies for shameless self-promotion. Marsha J. 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2002 16:43:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBMNipPN028193 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:44:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3E064E85.3070705@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of dress diary. References: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:45:09 -0800 Status: RO To Bjarne- That is heart-breakingly beautiful!!! I have this vision of you with a magic needle with all that embroidery just pouring out of the point and producing wonderful images. Thanks for sharing, Theresa Eacker Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello. > I have upldated the dressdiary with new pictures of the finished left side > of skirt. > > Merry Christmas to you all!!! > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 19:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13310 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN0b3fc029320; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN0b1du008440; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN0a8du008241 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBN0a1hU092990 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212230036.gBN0a1hU092990@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lecturing in California To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Bergdahl" at Dec 20, 2002 04:48:22 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:36:01 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Robin - I'm interested. Could you resend the information on the lecture? I didn't receive the original post. thank you! Heather > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > For those who are interested: I'll be lecturing on Friday, Jan. 24, in > > Santa Cruz, California, on the Gothic fitted dress and the Greenland gored > > gown. The lecture is being sponsored by several SCA groups in that area > > and the kingdom's costuming guild. > > > > So close and yet so far, as I sit here in Sacramento. > > -- > Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich > www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm > > Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com > Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings > Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 20:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13379 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN1B2fc000623; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN1B0du017046; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN1AEdu016880 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:10:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05747 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:20:08 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] button problem - help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:20:08 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Colleen McDonald wrote: > 1. Do you think that there is a quick, easy way to add black to the > buttons that don't have it? Suggestions so far are black spray paint > and then quickly wipe the ridges with a clean cloth, and hand painting > the black in somehow. Thoughts? Would it work to paint in with model paint (it's enamel-like and quite durable) and then wipe off the raised areas? Spray paint sounds awfully messy. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 20:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13472 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:44:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN1i3fc001493; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN1i1du023818; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBN1hRdu023735 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-67-121-120-83.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.121.120.83 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 01:43:26 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c2aa25$35d24600$53787943@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173319.0418dcc8@saltmine.radix.net> <3.0.6.32.20021222114858.0086eec0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:47:10 -0800 Status: RO Margo, you and I certainly think alike! I have three pairs of pliers, roundnose, needlenose, bent nose.... I have a grommet setter and three hammers too. All for costuming, of course! Everytime someone on the list mentions a costuming use for another tool, I well, pretty much run out and buy it, which would explain the lacing crimpers I've yet to use... angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment > If you're just looking for the standard teardrop pearl on a hoop, why not > make some? I buy the small hoop earrings at K-mart and the like, and add a > teardrop pearl strung on a headpin. Most bead stores have the pearls, and > all of them have the headpins. > > The most expensive part of the deal is buying a pair of roundnose pliers, > but you want those anyway, right? I mean, they're a TOOL!! That you can use > for costuming! > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 21:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13523 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN2J3fc002710; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN2J1TM001355; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20206.mail.yahoo.com (web20206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBN2IKTM001206 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:18:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021223021819.8662.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:18:19 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of dress diary. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:18:19 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Oh my...this just makes me drool.....wonderful! :) Bella http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 22 23:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13843 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN4R2fc007057; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN4R1TM028632; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN4QpTM028592 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A08AEF990126; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:26:50 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A08A1F420204; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:26:50 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c2aa3b$8dc9cc00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021222.132856.-407753.3.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Quilt Block: Full View X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 02:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07056 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN7i5fc012157; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN7i0TM007459; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.innercite.com (root@2xtreme.innercite.com [158.222.95.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN7h4TM007335 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2xtreme.net (host-227-83.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.227.83]) by 2xtreme.innercite.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBN7fE1D004316 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:41:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3E061386.283FBD4B@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] now Tale of Two Cities (was: 11th century Scottish attire) References: <01b801c2a86c$3c2e5940$ca0223d9@dan> <3E031118.D0738C0E@2xtreme.net> <3E03C408.1030608@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:33:26 -0800 Status: RO Theresa Eacker wrote: > > Stephen Bergdahl wrote: (Pruning) > > I'm still recovering > > for the Country & Western version of "A Tale of Two City" something's > > are not meant to be done with a southern accent. > > Stephen- > > I must have dozed off when _that_ came out. What was the name of > the...production and who was in it? Just so I know to duck next time it > emerges!!! > > Thanks, > Theresa Don't worry it was a local production here is N. CA. The rest of the world is safe from "For Soothe", pronounced as "FRRE SUUTHEE!" My teeth are on edge just typing it. -- Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 05:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25810 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNA42fc015348; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNA40TM002697; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNA30TM002478 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBNA34F25931.; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:03:04 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:02:55 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pilum and caps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBNA30TM002478 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:02:48 +0000 Status: RO The Latin words for the objects stolen are in the accusative case, as something has been done *to* them; so it would be "Tunica" and "pil(e)us" in the nominative. "Pilum" meaning javelin is a different word. Kate Bunting (remembering her O-Level Latin!) >>> joyshillaker@hotmail.com 12/22/02 12:27pm >>> This is the reference to a cap /'pilum' from Chelmsford records office. T/A 418/1/12 Repository: Essex Record Office Level: Category Records in public repositories Level: Fonds CALENDAR OF ESSEX ASSIZE RECORDS Level: Sub-Fonds Calendar of Essex Assize File [ASS 35/1/3] Assizes held at Brentwood 22 February 1559 Reference Code T/A 418/1/12 Scope and Content Indictment of John Brown of Good EAster Labourer, 16 Aug., broke into the house of John Jenkyns at Writtle betwen 1 and 3 o' clock in the afternoon and stole a doublet (tunicam) worth 13s.4d., ajeerkin worth 8s., a cap (pilum) worth 2s.,4d., pieces of money called "a dobell dokett" worth 15s., "a Frenche crowne" worth 6s.8d., a "half a Inglyshe crowne" worth 2s.6d., and 3s in money belonging to Edw., Fuller. Pleads not guilty; not guilty. [ASS 35/1/3/12] Accumilation Dates 16 August 1558 Acquisition Date From 1558 Acquisition Date To 1558 This is one of the easier records to read. It's a mixture of English with the odd word here and there translated. One of the most intersting things about these records is the complete lack of standardisation of spelling! Some records show different spellings within the same document for the same item. regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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I buy the small hoop earrings at K-mart and the like, and add a > > teardrop pearl strung on a headpin. Most bead stores have the pearls, and > > all of them have the headpins. I did, actually -- got the findings from Ornabead.com. But I'm not exactly happy with the quality of the pearls I ordered from Ornabead, or with the ones from my local crafts/fabric stores. I'm looking for better quality pearls... But in the meantime, these popped up, and I just fell in love. I really like the way the pearls are fastened to the posts, and so far haven't been able to find posts/findings that look exactly right. Isn't it a pain when you have an idea in your head and can't quite get what you want? Sigh... The earrings I made are 'passable', but I want 'perfect.' (wry grin) > > The most expensive part of the deal is buying a pair of roundnose pliers, > > but you want those anyway, right? I mean, they're a TOOL!! That you can > use > > for costuming! > > > > Margo LOL! I've got lots of pliers ;D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 08:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26415 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDj5fc020445; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDj1TM011617; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDi2TM011445 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a258.in-tch.com [66.62.107.58]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBNDRnj14749 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:27:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E07133E.6FBB42BA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of dress diary. References: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:44:30 -0700 Status: RO *sigh* It is *soooo* scrumptious! Your customer is luckier than she could know! --sue, trudging off to work for the day....;-) Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello. > I have upldated the dressdiary with new pictures of the finished left side > of skirt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 21:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29256 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMwffc000821; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMv1Wq004955; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMuTWq004699 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:56:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.14e.193c1c0b (3874) for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.193c1c0b.2b38ee91@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14e.193c1c0b.2b38ee91_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:56:17 EST Status: RO --part1_14e.193c1c0b.2b38ee91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where and how do we sign up to attend the Institute? Any leads would be greatly appreciated! -Julia --part1_14e.193c1c0b.2b38ee91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where and how do we sign up to attend the Institute?  Any leads would be greatly appreciated!
-Julia --part1_14e.193c1c0b.2b38ee91_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 21:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29265 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:58:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMjQfc000112; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMh1Wq029216; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMg2Wq028868 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 189355EEA50 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:42:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003e01c2aad5$04d4dc10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3E07727B.4000109@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:45:40 +0100 Status: RO Hello Deredere Ohh yes it looks very nice! How wonderfull with a white wool dress. Looking forwards to follow it, and good luck with the rest of the work................ Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere & Owen Iskander" To: "H-costume" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown > Ippie!! > > I have more pictures, and still a lot to do... > But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished > :-) . > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html > > Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29281 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:00:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDu2fc020625; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDu1TM013487; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDtmTM013444 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:55:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBNDtl11025074 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Miniatures -- how worn? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:55:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO How were miniatures worn in the 18th c. (or for that matter, in the 16th and 17th)? I've seen some worn by women on ribbons around the neck, either as a choker or as a looser pendant on a thin string, which is then pinned to the gown at the breast; but can't recall any pictures of men wearing miniatures. Yet they had to have had them -- were they carrying them in their pockets on something like a watch fob arrangement? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29284 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:00:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDx1fc020724; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDx1TM014080; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNDw7TM013913 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.104.22c8cab9 (4560) for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:57:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <104.22c8cab9.2b387064@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed -- drop pearl earrings a la Susannah Fourment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:57:56 EST Status: RO Have you tried FireMountain Gems in Oregon? They have a great selection of pearls and all sorts of semi-precious stones and findings. I've been pretty happy with their stuff.For a bit more quality(and price!!!) Rio Grande in New Mexico is also good---and then your pearl earrings will probably look more like what you had in mind:)Both these places have websites--and the personnel at both places has been very nice when I make phone inquiries. Good luck! Albra (now assuming cloaking device again:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29351 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO2lhfc012538; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO2j2Wq015661; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO2hZWq015374 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-9-207.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.207] helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Qf2b-0000Gc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:43:34 -0800 Message-ID: <007801c2aaf7$30703820$d91177d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C2AAB4.1FF23F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] OED & ? 4 Stevie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:50:12 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C2AAB4.1FF23F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sometime back, when I was mentioning frippers, Stevie asked me where I = got the definition from as she was updating what I recalled as the OED. = Which made me wonder what it was. Perhaps it wasn't the OED although I = suppose Stevie could be updating the Oxford English Dictionary, it seems = unlikely. So my question for Stevie is what was it that you were = updating. I was hoping it was some wonderful costuming/historic = dictionary that I could have an online peek at.=20 Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C2AAB4.1FF23F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sometime back, when I was mentioning = frippers,=20 Stevie asked me where I got the definition from as she was updating what = I=20 recalled as the OED.  Which made me wonder what it was.  = Perhaps it=20 wasn't the OED although I suppose Stevie could be updating the Oxford = English=20 Dictionary, it seems unlikely.  So my question for Stevie is what = was it=20 that you were updating.  I was hoping it was some wonderful=20 costuming/historic dictionary that I could have an online peek=20 at. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C2AAB4.1FF23F40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29359 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:20:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO25Xfc011085; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO231Wq005498; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO22EWq005320 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m120.in-tch.com [216.166.191.120]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBO1k0P15213 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E07C042.2B655A13@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown References: <3E07727B.4000109@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:02:42 -0700 Status: RO Deredere, the gown is lovely! And please, don't worry about the spelling...your meaning is quite clear, and I have *no* doubt that your English is a h@ll of a lot better than my German! --sue Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Ippie!! > > I have more pictures, and still a lot to do... > But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished > :-) . > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html > > Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29401 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMOTfc028665; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMM0Wq020608; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMLsWq020523 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:21:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D9F9E5EE4BA for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:21:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c2aad2$32417580$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:25:27 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I have seen lots of jewels with corals this summer at an exhibition at Christiansborg Castle, Copenhagen. It was a travelling exhibition from Russia. It was the red corals that most of the jewels had, there were tiarras, necklasses bracelets broches.............. Some of the jewels had belonged to Emperess Catharine the Great. (18th century) In Italy (where i go every summer) they have tons and tons of these red corals for sale, and quite cheap. I know it is illegal to bring them to Denmark, and i really cant figure out where they get all those red corals from, it seems as if all the ocean round Italy was grown all over with these red corals. Does any know about where they get these? Most beautifull they are and they comes in several shades of red, from light pink to deep redish brown. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: "Costume List" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Coral necklaces > Folks, > Coral necklaces were apparently pretty popular in the > 17th/18th/early 19th centuries. I ordered some 'mock coral' glass beads > from Ornabead and made a choker with them, but a friend has expressed > curiosity as to whether the beads ought to be of a more uniform size > (there's some slight, but visible, variation in the size of the beads). > > Has anyone seen an original coral necklace (choker, small beads) from this > period? I've seen a few in paintings, but it's hard to tell if the beads > are all the same size or just of a fairly similar size. I think I caught > a glimpse of an original necklace on the TV the other day, on a program > that showed the Foundlings Hospital (?), founded in the 18th c. to take > care of children born to unwed mothers, but the necklace (in a display of > items that mothers left for their children, but which weren't given to the > children) wasn't on the screen for more than a few seconds, not long > enough for me to get a good look. > > Another question -- I know that coral necklaces were very commonly worn by > children in the 18th century, and were not infreqently worn by women in > the 19th century (Regency period). Has anyone seen examples of coral > necklaces worn by grown women in the 17th or 18th centuries? I _think_ > they were, but am looking for a little confirmation. > > Thanks, > Mara > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29404 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:37:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMQffc028851; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMP2Wq021823; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNMOGWq021540 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B9F95EE322 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:24:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c2aad2$8839f930$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021223194127.OWOQ20431.pop016.verizon.net@[192.168.129.98]> Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:27:51 +0100 Status: RO Surely wished i could go two!!! Have fun, and please post your adventures there - here! The new book "What Clothes Reveal" is most beautifull, i have droolled over it the last coupple of days. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes > > > > > From: "Megan M." > > Date: 2002/12/23 Mon AM 11:55:53 EST > > To: > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes > > > > I was wondering if anyone was going to any of the Williamsburg Textile > > Institute classes in mid-January? I tried to sign up for the pattern > > drafting one but that one was full, so am taking "Decorative Fringes" 1,2, > > and 3. > > -Megan > > I won't be at the classes, but I will be in town!! > > Cheers, > > > R.Carnegie@verizon.net > "Argue for your limitations, and they are yours." > R. Bach > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29413 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLjQfc026336; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLh1Wq002903; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (mta1-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLg2Wq002453 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.28.119]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021223214200.EUMA277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:42:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <269043A2-16C7-11D7-8169-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:37:43 +0000 Status: RO Sounds fab Anahita! Lots of work tho' hehehe. > 1) Learning to embroider, especially focusing on Mamluk embroidery, > then embroidering on the two re-created Mamluk linen tunics i've made > and on the legs of a pair of linen sirwal. Of course, i don't expect to > finish all this in 2003, but at least i can get it planned and started. What stitches are you planning to execute and have you had any ideas of the thread you'll use or design you'll recreate? Thats pretty authentic ripping the fabric widths. You'll have too come over to Europe for a sewing clutch to promote Middle Eastern & Asian awareness here. > Then i have to finish the qaba' i have cut out and partially sewn - i > really goofed and cut out 4 gores facing the same way. Nice to know other folk do things like that - I always feel such a twerp mucking up. : >>> > 4) Making some Near Eastern shoes - i have a whole book in French on > those found in Egypt with some pretty good pictures and i can read > French). Cool. > And maybe even a pair of red leather stockings - i keep reading that > Ottoman Turks wore leather stockings, so i'm going to have to figure > out what the authors really mean... Pretty ambitious - I've considered doing some Mughal versions when things quieten down and my move is a thing of the past.I haven't found patterns but've been building up a collection of ref pics of 16thC shoes & slippers. Leather stockings sounds rather study.But wildly interesting - I wonder how long they were,any ideas?Possibly cut as Elizabethan hose/stockings were and shaped to the leg and foot? > > 5) And now for something completely different: making a new Elizabethan > "corset", if i can find someone with some experience to help me. I > understand the basics, but it's darned hard to fit oneself all alone... Margo and Drea!!! Founts of information!!! Wildly helpful the pair of them. Have a wonderful time of it - your projects will certainly keep you busy.Warm Season Greetings. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:42:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29419 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNL8Kfc023727; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNL61Co015033; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNL5hCo014895 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:05:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-18-50.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.18.50] helo=dan) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18QZld-0007Ve-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:05:41 +0000 Message-ID: <007201c2aac7$9c40c720$321227d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021223.144037.-145183.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:09:41 -0000 Status: RO Karen wrote, of Deredere's loose gown project, > It looks fantastic so far! I can't wait to see the finished product. > Absolutely right; it's marvellous! I have been working on a similar project, but my chances of tracking down such lovely gold lace are non-existent. But at least I get to admire the design and construction skills shown in this beautiful project:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29422 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLVgfc025466; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:31:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLT1Co026649; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (mta1-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNLSXCo026459 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.28.119]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021223212820.EPMD277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:28:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of dress diary. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c2a9bd$392f00d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:22:06 +0000 Status: RO Very nice!Very nice indeed Bjarne! Season's greetings too. Marcus. On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 01:22 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello. > I have upldated the dressdiary with new pictures of the finished left > side > of skirt. > > Merry Christmas to you all!!! > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29433 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:44:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKrhfc022808; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:53:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKp1Co008484; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBNKo5Co008077 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChpH3gB7fsLYzhFEo0bHu5cM7ks32ErHhw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLQ9KUS9; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:49:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown Message-ID: <20021223.144037.-145183.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:40:36 -0600 Status: RO It looks fantastic so far! I can't wait to see the finished product. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29452 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKXSfc019962; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:33:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKV1Co027644; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKUvCo027572 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:30:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-002.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.2]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985878040 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:30:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E07727B.4000109@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:30:51 +0100 Status: RO Ippie!! I have more pictures, and still a lot to do... But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished :-) . http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:48:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29463 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJchfc011903; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJa1Co029672; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJZkCo029519 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:35:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.38.33245c63 (4568) for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <38.33245c63.2b38bf8b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.33245c63.2b38bf8b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:35:39 EST Status: RO --part1_38.33245c63.2b38bf8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a parure, or whole set, of coral jewelry pictured in Revolution in Fashion. (It includes a branch coral tiara that I would just about die for, but, I believe, a necklace and bracelet as well, and I think there is a close-up.) Ann Wass --part1_38.33245c63.2b38bf8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a parure, or whole set, of coral jewelry pictured in Revolution in Fashion.  (It includes a branch coral tiara that I would just about die for, but, I believe, a necklace and bracelet as well, and I think there is a close-up.)
Ann Wass --part1_38.33245c63.2b38bf8b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 22:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29466 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:48:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJi4fc012187; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJg0Co002522; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNJfXCo002286 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:41:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.129.98] by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20021223194127.OWOQ20431.pop016.verizon.net@[192.168.129.98]> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:41:27 -0600 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [192.168.129.98] at Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:41:27 -0600 Message-Id: <20021223194127.OWOQ20431.pop016.verizon.net@[192.168.129.98]> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:41:27 -0500 Status: RO > > From: "Megan M." > Date: 2002/12/23 Mon AM 11:55:53 EST > To: > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes > > I was wondering if anyone was going to any of the Williamsburg Textile > Institute classes in mid-January? I tried to sign up for the pattern > drafting one but that one was full, so am taking "Decorative Fringes" 1,2, > and 3. > -Megan I won't be at the classes, but I will be in town!! Cheers, R.Carnegie@verizon.net "Argue for your limitations, and they are yours." R. Bach _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:02:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29575 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIEhfc006816; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:14:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIC2Co022281; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIBACo021893 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBNIB911025758 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Coral necklaces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:11:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Folks, Coral necklaces were apparently pretty popular in the 17th/18th/early 19th centuries. I ordered some 'mock coral' glass beads from Ornabead and made a choker with them, but a friend has expressed curiosity as to whether the beads ought to be of a more uniform size (there's some slight, but visible, variation in the size of the beads). Has anyone seen an original coral necklace (choker, small beads) from this period? I've seen a few in paintings, but it's hard to tell if the beads are all the same size or just of a fairly similar size. I think I caught a glimpse of an original necklace on the TV the other day, on a program that showed the Foundlings Hospital (?), founded in the 18th c. to take care of children born to unwed mothers, but the necklace (in a display of items that mothers left for their children, but which weren't given to the children) wasn't on the screen for more than a few seconds, not long enough for me to get a good look. Another question -- I know that coral necklaces were very commonly worn by children in the 18th century, and were not infreqently worn by women in the 19th century (Regency period). Has anyone seen examples of coral necklaces worn by grown women in the 17th or 18th centuries? I _think_ they were, but am looking for a little confirmation. Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:02:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29578 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:02:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIvmfc009479; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNItTCo011364; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIqZCo010094 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-119-11-222.smf.jps.net ([216.119.11.222] helo=pavilion) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18QXgo-0000GV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:52:34 -0800 Message-ID: <005d01c2aab5$62f633e0$c21277d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223093437.00a4eae0@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:59:13 -0800 Status: RO Also for those in Sacramento, Theatre 37 at the American River College will be covering the Elizabethan corset for 9 weeks next semester. Gail Russel is the instructor, a lovely lady. Course will meet on Thursday nights in the costume shop. Corsets will be drafted from scratch. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaryAnn Jones" To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects > I have to tell you that I had the same problem. I needed to fit an > Elizabethan corset and I was paralyzed by this and couldn't do any sewing > because I was so stuck. I went to Stephen's sewing day at the library that > he had talked about on this list with the intent of cutting out my sister's > gown that she is going to wear on January 11th and I haven't started and > ended up having him fit Margo's corset pattern on me. I now have a corset > pattern that fits and I can move on. > So, if you are in the Sacramento area, I suggest asking Stephen. He really > knows his stuff. Otherwise, he is teaching that internet class on > Elizabethan underwear. Good luck, maryann > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29592 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIeffc008404; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIc0Co003677; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBNIb8Co003244 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoVil2y09patRA0uDOdiiOy8uF7KL/NThA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLQZYNDY; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:36:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces Message-ID: <20021223.133602.-144595.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:36:02 -0500 Status: RO All I know about coral necklaces is the ones made from branch coral that everyone wore in the 50's in south Florida. My grandmother had a coral pendant that was pink polished coral surrounded by diamonds and was made for her in the very early 1900's. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29595 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:07:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNItGfc009303; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNIr1Co010264; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBNIq2Co009824 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoVil2y09patpkVwN4XlYbMGCkdszRKzRw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLQ2SWYS; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:51:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces Ooops Message-ID: <20021223.134944.-144595.7.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_064d.0718.094e X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,10-12,13-32767 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:49:44 -0500 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_064d.0718.094e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horrors! Did I really write <> I know that is horribly incorrect. All I know about coral necklaces is that the ones, or All I know about coral necklaces are the ones. Neither sounds good, but "is the ones" is awful. Sorry!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender ----__JNP_000_064d.0718.094e Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Clear:. Processed in 0.095492 secs); 23 Dec 2002 18:32:19 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.095492 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 18:32:19 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chopine blanks for sale! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021223133156.U45757-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:32:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At http://merchants-medieval.com/cockerel/ Enjoy, Drea On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > The chopine and/or patten blanks sound interesting, but I cannot find > the original message in the thread: > "Chopine blanks for sale!" > > Where are they they available? > > Thanks, > > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29614 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNI1Hfc005997; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:01:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNHx0Co016501; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNHwSCo016235 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:58:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <20021223175822051006iga2e>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:58:22 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223093437.00a4eae0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:48:17 -0800 Status: RO your projects sound extremely interesting. I am still at the Elizabethan stage which seems to be the entre into historical costumes for a lot of people, although I am ready to go down to Santa Cruz and hear Robin's lecture RIGHT NOW. I have to tell you that I had the same problem. I needed to fit an Elizabethan corset and I was paralyzed by this and couldn't do any sewing because I was so stuck. I went to Stephen's sewing day at the library that he had talked about on this list with the intent of cutting out my sister's gown that she is going to wear on January 11th and I haven't started and ended up having him fit Margo's corset pattern on me. I now have a corset pattern that fits and I can move on. So, if you are in the Sacramento area, I suggest asking Stephen. He really knows his stuff. Otherwise, he is teaching that internet class on Elizabethan underwear. Good luck, maryann At 05:49 PM 12/21/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Well, for 2003 i'm going to cook fewer SCA feasts (between Nov 2001 and >Sept 2002 i cooked 5 feasts all of historically accurate food for 90 to >150 people). I'm only cooking two in 2003. > >This way i'll have more time for: > >1) Learning to embroider, especially focusing on Mamluk embroidery, then >embroidering on the two re-created Mamluk linen tunics i've made and on >the legs of a pair of linen sirwal. Of course, i don't expect to finish >all this in 2003, but at least i can get it planned and started. > >2) Making paper patterns from the first couple of 16th c. Persian >prototype/test garments i made in 2002. Each was made from a different >fabric width (i rip my modern fabrics to more historical fabric widths), >so i need to make patterns for each. > >Then i have to finish the qaba' i have cut out and partially sewn - i >really goofed and cut out 4 gores facing the same way. Once i do that, i >have to make a paper pattern from it... > >And finally in this set, i have to make another set of 16th c. Persian >garments using the fancy fabric cowering in a corner of my closet. > >3) Making a prototype/test 16th c. Ottoman Turkish outfit by January 4th >for an SCA event. If i get some of it done, and it's even close to what i >want, then i'll spend some time this year making an "improved" outfit. I >also dream of embroidering my gomlek - although i have only some not very >detailed paintings to go on - it appears there was embroidery along or >near seams and down the tops of the sleeves. Not sure what embroidery >technique was used - i know some of the stitches that the Ottomans used, >but i'm not sure which were on the gomlek. > >4) Making some Near Eastern shoes - i have a whole book in French on those >found in Egypt with some pretty good pictures and i can read French). And >maybe even a pair of red leather stockings - i keep reading that Ottoman >Turks wore leather stockings, so i'm going to have to figure out what the >authors really mean... > >5) And now for something completely different: making a new Elizabethan >"corset", if i can find someone with some experience to help me. I >understand the basics, but it's darned hard to fit oneself all alone... > >Nothing as ambitious as some folks' plans, but i try to be realistic, and >honestly i'll be pleased if i achieve 3 of the above. > >al-Sayyida Anahita bint 'abd al-Karim al-Fassi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29639 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:17:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNGpOfc000612; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNGn1Co014925; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNGmGCo014558 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:48:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-211.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.211] helo=megan2) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18QVkW-0002Mo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:48:16 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Williamsburg Textile Institute January classes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003b01c2a3ba$870e48a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:53 -0500 Status: RO I was wondering if anyone was going to any of the Williamsburg Textile Institute classes in mid-January? I tried to sign up for the pattern drafting one but that one was full, so am taking "Decorative Fringes" 1,2, and 3. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29647 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNGBgfc027454; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNG90TM023287; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNG8kTM023211 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.227]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C10125EED9B for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:08:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c2aa9e$0c08c050$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miniatures -- how worn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:12:09 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I have seen a late 18th century dress where there was tied a wide silk ribbon round the waist with a miniature painting in the middle. I think it was 1785-90 not sure, and about men i have no idea, but would surely like to know this. Were they having their loved ones in a jewellry carried in a chain, but worn in the pocket? I have never seen any mens jewellry with miniature paintings. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: "Costume List" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] Miniatures -- how worn? > How were miniatures worn in the 18th c. (or for that matter, in the 16th > and 17th)? I've seen some worn by women on ribbons around the neck, > either as a choker or as a looser pendant on a thin string, which is then > pinned to the gown at the breast; but can't recall any pictures of men > wearing miniatures. Yet they had to have had them -- were they carrying > them in their pockets on something like a watch fob arrangement? > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 23 23:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29663 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:28:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNEAMfc021096; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNE91TM016342; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNE8JTM016228 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBNE8RF08163.; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:28 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miniatures -- how worn? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBNE8JTM016228 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:07:55 +0000 Status: RO Don't know about men, but one of Joseph Wright of Derby's portraits (Sarah Carver and her Daughter) shows the sitter wearing a miniature just like a wristwatch, on a black ribbon. (That's mid -18th century) >>> lindo@Radix.Net 12/23/02 01:55pm >>> How were miniatures worn in the 18th c. (or for that matter, in the 16th and 17th)? I've seen some worn by women on ribbons around the neck, either as a choker or as a looser pendant on a thin string, which is then pinned to the gown at the breast; but can't recall any pictures of men wearing miniatures. Yet they had to have had them -- were they carrying them in their pockets on something like a watch fob arrangement? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 00:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29749 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:17:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO5J8fc017599; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO5J1Wq020886; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO5I9Wq020672 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBO5CZ12016086 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:12:36 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3E07C042.2B655A13@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:21:36 -0800 Status: RO Deredere, If you don't have enough gold lace, or want more you might try Wuerzburg. When I was in Drachenwald, we found a trim store not far from the main cathedral, and a few streets up from the river. They had been supplying lace and trim to the Prince Bishop Electors since about 1800. They still had hand made gold lace from about 1850 in a large drawer at not impossible prices. I picked up a meter of 6 inch wide lace because it was simply beautiful, as a going away present for myself. They also had some of the most wonderful metallic trims and would twist cording up to rope size in any color you wanted to buy or supply them with. Sorry I don't know the name of the place, but you might contact Master Terafan Greydragon at www.greydragon.com , he may well know. Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:03 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown Deredere, the gown is lovely! And please, don't worry about the spelling...your meaning is quite clear, and I have *no* doubt that your English is a h@ll of a lot better than my German! --sue Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Ippie!! > > I have more pictures, and still a lot to do... > But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished > :-) . > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html > > Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 03:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26252 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:37:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8d4fc023513; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8d0Wq004416; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f159.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.159]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8cSWq004329 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:38:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:38:22 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:29:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2002 08:38:22.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[D18A6F20:01C2AB27] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:29:11 -0800 Status: RO I was given a short necklace of branch coral in an orangey-red color. It is about 18" long and graduated from 6mm chips up to 1.5" twigs(that's what they look like). I really don't like it all by itself, but I'm not sure what to take it apart and remake it into. If there are references to this kind of coral being used in period jewelry I'd love to check them out and see what can be done with it and still see use. I rarely wear modern jewelry so it makes more sense to make it period. Of course, then I need a new dress and some shoes...Oops, out loud voice. ;) Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! >There is a parure, or whole set, of coral jewelry pictured in Revolution in >Fashion. (It includes a branch coral tiara that I would just about die >for, >but, I believe, a necklace and bracelet as well, and I think there is a >close-up.) >Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 03:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01587 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:45:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8l2fc023711; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8l0Wq006212; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8keWq006138 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-160.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.160]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956AE19FEB3 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:46:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E081EE9.3050601@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010201050105030005060500" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:46:33 +0100 Status: RO --------------010201050105030005060500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! This lace is really hard to get here in the Netherlands! Tey only sell the jackie cheepstuff. I know Terafan and I will ask him. Greetings, Deredere Wanda Pease wrote: >Deredere, > > If you don't have enough gold lace, or want more you might try Wuerzburg. >When I was in Drachenwald, we found a trim store not far from the main >cathedral, and a few streets up from the river. They had been supplying >lace and trim to the Prince Bishop Electors since about 1800. They still >had hand made gold lace from about 1850 in a large drawer at not impossible >prices. I picked up a meter of 6 inch wide lace because it was simply >beautiful, as a going away present for myself. They also had some of the >most wonderful metallic trims and would twist cording up to rope size in any >color you wanted to buy or supply them with. > Sorry I don't know the name of the place, but you might contact Master >Terafan Greydragon at >www.greydragon.com , he may well know. > >Regina Romsey > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Sue Clemenger >Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:03 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown > > >Deredere, the gown is lovely! >And please, don't worry about the spelling...your meaning is quite >clear, and I have *no* doubt that your English is a h@ll of a lot better >than my German! >--sue > >Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > >>Ippie!! >> >>I have more pictures, and still a lot to do... >>But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished >>:-) . >>http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html >> >>Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------010201050105030005060500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks!

This lace is really hard to get here in the Netherlands!
Tey only sell the jackie cheepstuff.
I know Terafan and I will ask him.

Greetings,
        Deredere

Wanda Pease wrote:
Deredere,

	If you don't have enough gold lace, or want more you might try Wuerzburg.
When I was in Drachenwald, we found a trim store not far from the main
cathedral, and a few streets up from the river.  They had been supplying
lace and trim to the Prince Bishop Electors since about 1800.  They still
had hand made gold lace from about 1850 in a large drawer at not impossible
prices.  I picked up a meter of 6 inch wide lace because it was simply
beautiful, as a going away present for myself.  They also had some of the
most wonderful metallic trims and would twist cording up to rope size in any
color you wanted to buy or supply them with.
	Sorry I don't know the name of the place, but you might contact Master
Terafan Greydragon at
www.greydragon.com , he may well know.

Regina Romsey

-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On
Behalf Of Sue Clemenger
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:03 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown


Deredere, the gown is lovely!
And please, don't worry about the spelling...your meaning is quite
clear, and I have *no* doubt that your English is a h@ll of a lot better
than my German!
--sue

Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote:
  
Ippie!!

I have more pictures, and still a lot to do...
But now it gives an idea of how it is going to look when it is finished
:-) .
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html

Just don't look at the spelling ;-) , I know it is terrible.
    
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--------------010201050105030005060500-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 03:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03476 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8n1fc023751; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8n0Wq006621; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBO8mBWq006434 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-018casfrmp054.dialsprint.net ([158.252.222.56] helo=[158.252.208.157]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18QkjS-0005IR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:48:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2003 projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:48:04 -0800 Status: RO marcus findlay-arthur wrote: >Sounds fab Anahita! > >Lots of work tho' hehehe. Thank you for your enthusiasm :-) > > 1) Learning to embroider, especially focusing on Mamluk embroidery, > > then embroidering on the two re-created Mamluk linen tunics i've made > > and on the legs of a pair of linen sirwal. Of course, i don't expect to > > finish all this in 2003, but at least i can get it planned and started. > >What stitches are you planning to execute and have you had any ideas of >the thread you'll use or design you'll recreate? The Mamluks ruled Egypt and the Levant from about 1250 to the end of SCA period, which is 1600 (i don't recall if i mentioned this), even though the area was conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1517 - the Mamluk were left in control as "governors" and remained in that role for quite some time until they decided to rebel against the Ottoman Empire - i forget exactly when that was - late 17th c., i think. Anyway, the rebellion failed and actual Ottoman governors took over. The surviving garments and textile fragments with embroidery on them are linen with silk embroidery thread. The Mamluks used quite a few different stitches. One stitch is double running stitch, aka blackwork - commonly found on Mamluk textiles, appearing well before it appears in Europe. Marianne Ellis, who wrote an important book on Mamluk (and perhaps Fatimid and Ayyubid) embroidery in the Ashmolean collection, thinks that some European blackwork patterns are direct descendents of Mamluk embroidery. Another common stitch is pattern darning. There are also a couple kinds of "pulled thread" work and "drawn thread" work which i hope to learn soon. And there are some other dense counted thread stitches which fill up small spaces. And they even embroidered tiny tassels onto some of their garments. This is not an extensive catalog, as there are other stitches that i don't recall. >Thats pretty authentic ripping the fabric widths. >You'll have too come over to Europe for a sewing clutch to promote >Middle Eastern & Asian awareness here. Well, i figure it gives me better insight into creating clothing patterns if i work with my fabrics in widths close to theirs - in Mamluk time and regions, fabric widths tend to be around 23 to 27 inches. > > And maybe even a pair of red leather stockings - i keep reading that > > Ottoman Turks wore leather stockings, so i'm going to have to figure > > out what the authors really mean... > >Leather stockings sounds rather study.But wildly interesting - I wonder >how long they were,any ideas?Possibly cut as Elizabethan hose/stockings >were and shaped to the leg and foot? Well, i suspect that what one author is calling "leather stockings" is what another author is calling "soft leather boots". These were worn indoors. To go out, one pulled sturdier boots with stiffer thicker soles on right over one's indoor footwear, even indoor shoes. If they are in fact the "soft leather boots", they can vary in height. For women i think they come near the top of the calf or to just below the knee. For men, they could go just over the knee or perhaps a little up the thigh and have an extension on the front that comes well over the thigh and is anchored to a belt to keep them up. Again, if the "leather stockings" are the same as "soft leather boots". The cut is fairly simple, much more so than Elizabethan hose/stockings. The leg is basically a tube with a seam up the back, while each foot has a sole, a part that goes over most of the foot (i don't know appropriate name), and 2 gussets on either side of the foot at the heel. They are not fitted. There are similar silk brocade "boots" or "socks" with a leather sole surviving from Mughul India and late Safavid Persia. They are luxury items and definitely not for hard wear. > > 5) And now for something completely different: making a new Elizabethan > > "corset", if i can find someone with some experience to help me. I > > understand the basics, but it's darned hard to fit oneself all alone... > >Margo and Drea!!! >Founts of information!!! Wildly helpful the pair of them. Well, indeed they are - i have Drea's 16th c. Flemish woman's clothing book and Margo's Elizabethan woman's pattern - and i've even met Margo at an after Ren Fair dinner. But i think fitting a corset really needs a second pair of hands... >Warm Season Greetings. And to you, too, Marcus, and to everyone on this list :-) Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 07:22:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09561 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:22:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOBx4fc028123; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOBx1Wq011153; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOBw3Wq010998 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gBOBwCF00346.; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:58:12 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:58:02 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas greetings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBOBw3Wq010998 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:57:32 +0000 Status: RO I shall be away from my computer until Jan. 7th. A happy Christmas to all - will talk to you again in the New Year! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 12:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10687 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHxLfc011270; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHw08d013318; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHvS8d013153 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip189.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.189]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBOHvP11028641 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021224125231.041d2890@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces In-Reply-To: <001501c2aad2$32417580$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:53:44 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne, I got my 'mock coral' beads from ornabead.com; I don't know if they ship to Europe. But they're imitation coral beads, not real coral. Were the 18th c. bead necklaces you saw all even diameters, or were they slightly irregular? The beads I ordered are slightly irregular. -- Mara At 11:25 PM 12/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hello. >I have seen lots of jewels with corals this summer at an exhibition at >Christiansborg Castle, Copenhagen. It was a travelling exhibition from >Russia. It was the red corals that most of the jewels had, there were >tiarras, necklasses bracelets broches.............. >Some of the jewels had belonged to Emperess Catharine the Great. (18th >century) >In Italy (where i go every summer) they have tons and tons of these red >corals for sale, and quite cheap. >I know it is illegal to bring them to Denmark, and i really cant figure out >where they get all those red corals from, it seems as if all the ocean round >Italy was grown all over with these red corals. Does any know about where >they get these? Most beautifull they are and they comes in several shades of >red, from light pink to deep redish brown. > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" >To: "Costume List" >Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:11 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Coral necklaces > > > > Folks, > > Coral necklaces were apparently pretty popular in the > > 17th/18th/early 19th centuries. I ordered some 'mock coral' glass beads > > from Ornabead and made a choker with them, but a friend has expressed > > curiosity as to whether the beads ought to be of a more uniform size > > (there's some slight, but visible, variation in the size of the beads). > > > > Has anyone seen an original coral necklace (choker, small beads) from this > > period? I've seen a few in paintings, but it's hard to tell if the beads > > are all the same size or just of a fairly similar size. I think I caught > > a glimpse of an original necklace on the TV the other day, on a program > > that showed the Foundlings Hospital (?), founded in the 18th c. to take > > care of children born to unwed mothers, but the necklace (in a display of > > items that mothers left for their children, but which weren't given to the > > children) wasn't on the screen for more than a few seconds, not long > > enough for me to get a good look. > > > > Another question -- I know that coral necklaces were very commonly worn by > > children in the 18th century, and were not infreqently worn by women in > > the 19th century (Regency period). Has anyone seen examples of coral > > necklaces worn by grown women in the 17th or 18th centuries? I _think_ > > they were, but am looking for a little confirmation. > > > > Thanks, > > Mara > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 12:59:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10692 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOI0jfc011339; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOI018d013953; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHwW8d013468 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:58:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-032.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.32]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDB17C57 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:58:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E08A043.80607@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress diary loosegown References: <3E07727B.4000109@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:58:27 +0100 Status: RO Hi, Thank you all for the kind words! It helps getting me trough many hours of hand stitching :-( . http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Projects/Loosegown.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 13:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10723 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:11:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHaZfc010364; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHZ18d005887; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOHYG8d005645 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:34:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip189.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.189]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBOHYD11026159 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021224122952.041ced38@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces In-Reply-To: <38.33245c63.2b38bf8b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Status: RO Thanks, I'll dig out my copy. Funny how I never really looked at the jewelry, with all the gorgeous clothing... At 02:35 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >There is a parure, or whole set, of coral jewelry pictured in Revolution >in Fashion. (It includes a branch coral tiara that I would just about die >for, but, I believe, a necklace and bracelet as well, and I think there is >a close-up.) >Ann Wass Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 15:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11126 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOKX3fc017418; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOKX08d000942; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOKWg8d000834 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:32:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.a3.35abc289 (3699) for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:32:33 EST Status: RO Helloo--yes!!--coral is making a comeback in more modern jewelry circles these days.As it is a personal favorite of mine---I've been delighted to notice this:) The modern trade books often show it paired with tourquise and silver. A very striking combo I think. I have also seen it paired with gold and pearls. And yes, there, IS reason to believe that it has gone in and out of fashion thru out history:) The already mentioned parure from Regency times---as well as a few portraits from the 16th century---usually in rounded bead form--with a few exceptions(again the parure comes to mind) Take a look at some of the portraits from the 16th century time period--(Sofonisba Anguissola--comes to mind--just 'cause I have her book in my hand right now!! In particular her portraits 'The Chess Game' and the 'Three Children')--and the Turks were also fond of it.Some years ago there was a lovely exhibit at the LA County Museum of Art---of Turkish treasures from the Ottoman Empire---and there (dated in year ranges from the 16th century), combined with silver filigree designs were a couple of exquisite litle belt clasps , combining pale peach coral beads with tourquise ones.There were also necklaces and bracelettes--including these combinations---also some with gold---I for some reason do not recall the earring designs:( I got so frusterated trying to find the jewelry that I 'craved' to go with my Regency outfits and 16th century stuff ---(my 2 favorite periods)that I started making my own. It's not terribly hard---and lots of fun! Cheers and Best-- Albra (slipping back into 'cloaking device':) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 16:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11377 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:41:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOLh5fc019560; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOLh18d018768; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBOLgv8d018746 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:42:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12771 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:52:59 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:52:59 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 AlbraKat@aol.com wrote: > Helloo--yes!!--coral is making a comeback in more modern jewelry > circles these days.As it is a personal favorite of mine---I've been > delighted to notice this:) The modern trade books often show it paired > with tourquise and silver. I am seeing quite a bit coral in my bead supply catalogs and at bead shops. Often it is dyed. There's also artifical coral. I have been hesitant to buy the real thing because I seem to recall hearing recently about overfishing (mining?) of coral beds and other destruction from pollution, vandals, etc. that has put these remarkable creatures into peril of extinction in many areas. I would appreciate solid information on whether this is indeed the case, as I would not encourage the purchase of new coral for jewelry if it would support the market. As near as I know, coral cannot be "farmed" as pearls are, but I haven't researched the issue and would be happy to be educated. Vintage/used coral is another matter entirely. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 18:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11660 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBON62fc023033; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBON61Fn009607; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBON5GFn009487 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:05:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from host-66-81-246-162.rev.o1.com ([66.81.246.162]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Qy6s-0008S0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:05:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c2aad2$32417580$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001501c2aad2$32417580$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coral necklaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:36:06 -0800 Status: RO At 11:25 PM +0100 12/23/02, Bjarne wrote: >Hello. >I have seen lots of jewels with corals this summer at an exhibition at >Christiansborg Castle, Copenhagen. It was a travelling exhibition from >Russia. It was the red corals that most of the jewels had, there were >tiarras, necklasses bracelets broches.............. >Some of the jewels had belonged to Emperess Catharine the Great. (18th >century) >In Italy (where i go every summer) they have tons and tons of these red >corals for sale, and quite cheap. >I know it is illegal to bring them to Denmark, and i really cant figure out >where they get all those red corals from, it seems as if all the ocean round >Italy was grown all over with these red corals. Does any know about where >they get these? Most beautifull they are and they comes in several shades of >red, from light pink to deep redish brown. I believe that corals in general are considered endangered species (though possibly not all of them, and not everywhere). I know I have gotten disapproving looks on occasion when I have mentioned using real coral beads for some of my period rosary reproductions. That may be why it's not legal to bring red coral into Denmark. I believe that precious black coral is especially endangered, and is illegal to sell in some places. (Mind you, I think protecting endangered species is a _good_ thing.) Also, one reason there is so much red coral for sale is that I believe a lot of it is dyed. As long as the coral has good structure (i.e. is firm, not spongy, and relatively free of flaws), it can be bleached and then dyed any color. Species of coral that are pink or salmon color can also easily be dyed red without bleaching. Personally I'm quite willing to use dyed coral (as long as I know that's what it is), since I believe that results in less pressure on the more endangered species, or at least so I hope. But a lot of stuff is sold with no information about whether the color is natural. Coral substitutes that I'm aware of are mostly not as close to the real thing in "feel" as I would like. Glass and dyed marble can be very close to coral in color, but are harder and quite a bit heavier than coral (coral is only about the same hardness as bone). I've also seen dyed bone, which in theory could be a good coral substitute, but all I've seen has been very crude and poorly crafted. OTOH I use coral-colored glass seed beads quite happily, since in those uses the weight doesn't make much difference. Coral has been thought to be "lucky" and to protect the wearer (especially children) from evil spirits. In medieval contexts it's an expensive and high-status stone -- based on the rosaries I've seen [1], I'd estimate that it ranks higher than carnelian, jet, or amber, and not very far below rock crystal or silver. [2] Both luck and ostentation are among the reasons coral has been so popular for rosaries and paternosters. :)) Coral has especially been considered protective for babies and small children. You see quite a few children's or Madonna-and-child portraits where the infant Jesus is wearing a small coral necklace. Princely and wealthy babies have also been given unworked branches of coral mounted in silver as teething gifts. (The unworked "raw" state is suppoosed to make it more powerful.) Most of the medieval and Renaissance uses of coral I've seen are shaped and finished beads, almost always plain round beads of various sizes. I've also seen a few cylindrical beads (can't recall sources or dates offhand), slightly flattened rounds, and lots of seed beads. About the only time I've seen "branch" coral in jewelry is as a single piece used as a pendant to a necklace or rosary. I think that the fashion for whole necklaces of "branches" (or "frangia") is modern, on a par with the modern liking for necklaces of "chips" of semiprecious stones. (Especially amber -- I recently bought two strings of 6mm amber at a bead show simply because it's so rare to find _round_ amber at a reasonable price.) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paternosters , if anyone's interested in learning more about rosaries and paternosters. [2] It seems to be a rule of thumb that if a rosary has "gauds" or "paters" (larger beads on which the "Our Father" prayer is said) that are of a different material than the smaller "ave" beads, the "pater" bead material is more expensive or precious, i.e. wood aves with jasper or carnelian paters, jet aves with silver paters, lapis lazuli aves with gold paters -- which enables one to make educated guesses about the relative status of different materials. There seem to be an awful lot of pictures of rosaries with coral aves and silver or rock crystal paters. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 18:40:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11737 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:40:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONg2fc024364; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONg1Fn018171; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONfUFn018070 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:41:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.43]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7N00881DROXD@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021224144821.047e5f00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:54:22 -0800 Status: RO >Does anyone have any good tests or clues on identifying the metal used in >a metallic fabric? > >The fabric in question is sheer and woven in one direction in gold. The >threads in the other direction are probably either silk or rayon. The bolt >is very heavy. The metal doesn't burn or melt. (This is what I am told. I >haven't yet seen the fabric.) > >Any ideas on where to start in identifying the metal -- e.g. chemical >tests -- and assessing the value? Has anyone seen anything like this for >sale online I could compare it to? In my experience, the metal component is something like gold-plated, or silver-plated, copper. I did a burn test on a swatch of something of mine, and the original metal-colour disappeared, leaving only copper-coloured stuff, which I assumed was the wire underneath the plating. Consider the price of the fabric if the wire were solid gold? And consider the tensile strength of copper wire vs. that of gold. I think they plate the strong stuff with the expensive stuff. Vinegar will remove the tarnish from copper, and gold-plated brass costume jewelry brightens right up when dipped, briefly, in ammonia (don't know why, not a chemist). Rinse well after dipping stuff in either one. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 18:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11741 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:40:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONgAfc024372; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONgAFn018204; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONfYFn018082 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:41:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.43]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7N00881DROXD@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Identifying metal in fabric In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021224145752.048a03b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:58:59 -0800 Status: RO >Gold/not gold would be a good start. The goal is to figure out how much >the stuff is worth, so we can price it fairly. If it's solid gold 'threads' one way, they will be very soft and will break easily. I stick by my gold-plated-copper theory. >I don't even have a clue whether there's a name for this type of fabric, >other than "metallic." "Cloth-of-gold" probably isn't right from a >historic sense, even if it's real gold. But I also don't know what might >be sold under that name today. > >Is there a name for fabric woven of metal threads? Cloth of gold. It came in colours, due to the colour of the thread woven across the metal threads. I own some purple cloth-of-silver. It got folded and I'm not sure if I will ever get the fold lines out of the metal threads. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 24 18:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11746 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:40:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONgDfc024391; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONgCFn018230; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBONfbFn018097 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.43]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7N00881DROXD@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 model for Simplicity pattern In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021224151319.048a2a40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:16:46 -0800 Status: RO >Yes, but the idea was not to pick colors that "look good" on someone by >our modern standards, rather, the idea is to look as fashionable as you >can afford and as your social status will allow. > >If anyone does historical re-creation costuming and worries about picking >colors that look good on them by modern standards is not quite doing >historical re-creation. > >Now i understand that if someone is spending large sums of money on fabric >and huge blocks of time on a "costume" they want it to look good on them. >So of course we make compromises, unless we are really trying to re-create >as closely as possible a surviving garment or one in a painting. I sort-of disagree with you. On the one hand, their ideas of good colour combinations don't always agree with our ideas, for whatever century or decade 'they' live in. On the other hand, certainly from among the colour choices they made, one can pick one that is more flattering than the others. One can copy a dress from a painting, but research other possible colour choices from the same period, to find a different accurate one more flattering to ones self when one makes the re-creation for ones' own use. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 00:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12839 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBP5n3fc003357; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBP5n0Fn000111; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBP5mpFn029968 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:48:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.33.14]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7N00BQFUTEA2@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021224214419.00d44dc0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] metallic organza Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:48:39 -0800 Status: RO So I went to http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-bridal---special-occasion-metallic-silk-organza.html and found that the stuff labeled 14karat is the same price as the blue metallic, the pink metallic, etc. And they all drape the same in the pictures. I cannot believe that the one labeled 14karat would go for less than $10 per yard if it was really solid 14karat gold wires in one direction. They could melt it and sell it for more than that if it really were. I still like my it's-gold-plated theory. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 06:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08684 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPBs4fc010661; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 04:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPBs1Fn027673; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 04:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPBr0Fn027497 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 04:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.0.62]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021225115258.DZGV21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:52:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <318FE87E-1807-11D7-909B-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Katya/Turmeric dye Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:48:40 +0000 Status: RO Morning Katya, Merry Christmas to you and yours as I write on 'Xmas morning. I'm planning to experiment with your hint using turmeric to dye with in the New Year - since I'm moving mid January and likely to be off line for a month can you pass on any tips about this?That way I can amuse myself before I resubscribe and refer to my print-outs as I muddle thru'. I'm thinking of dying some cotton muslin and silk to make dhoti's and shawls with a wax & dye over pattern based on some 16thC Mughal miniatures I've been studying. Thanks, Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 07:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08789 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 07:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPCI1fc011229; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPCI1Fn002738; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPCHIFn002633 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.0.62]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021225121715.EEEG21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:17:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <965FC0D8-180A-11D7-909B-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Mamluk embroidery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:12:58 +0000 Status: RO > The surviving garments and textile fragments with embroidery on them > are linen with silk embroidery thread. The Mamluks used quite a few > different stitches. Interesting.I've seen examples of woven wool circa the 5thC from Egypt and I was quite blown away by the skill inherently displayed. > > One stitch is double running stitch, aka blackwork - commonly found on > Mamluk textiles, appearing well before it appears in Europe. Marianne > Ellis, who wrote an important book on Mamluk (and perhaps Fatimid and > Ayyubid) embroidery in the Ashmolean collection, thinks that some > European blackwork patterns are direct descendents of Mamluk embroidery. Anything is possible.And the Crusades certainly did a good bit of horizon expanding. > > Another common stitch is pattern darning. There are also a couple kinds > of "pulled thread" work and "drawn thread" work which i hope to learn > soon. And there are some other dense counted thread stitches which fill > up small spaces. And they even embroidered tiny tassels onto some of > their garments. This is not an extensive catalog, as there are other > stitches that i don't recall. Very interesting.A friend in Israel at one time was buying Palestinian garments and cutting out the embroidered bibs to have made into cushion covers.I actually got see some of the work.I've been told that the embroidery is something of a family heirloom and is handed down and re-stitched to more current/new garments. > Well, i figure it gives me better insight into creating clothing > patterns if i work with my fabrics in widths close to theirs - in > Mamluk time and regions, fabric widths tend to be around 23 to 27 > inches. Guys weren't the 18thC Spittelfields silks woven on a 28" loom width?Or are my memory banks having another senior moment? > Well, i suspect that what one author is calling "leather stockings" is > what another author is calling "soft leather boots". These were worn > indoors. To go out, one pulled sturdier boots with stiffer thicker > soles on right over one's indoor footwear, even indoor shoes. Fab. > > If they are in fact the "soft leather boots", they can vary in height. > For women i think they come near the top of the calf or to just below > the knee. For men, they could go just over the knee or perhaps a little > up the thigh and have an extension on the front that comes well over > the thigh and is anchored to a belt to keep them up. Sort of like 'ties'? > > Again, if the "leather stockings" are the same as "soft leather boots". > The cut is fairly simple, much more so than Elizabethan hose/stockings. > The leg is basically a tube with a seam up the back, while each foot > has a sole, a part that goes over most of the foot (i don't know > appropriate name), and 2 gussets on either side of the foot at the > heel. They are not fitted. Sounds almost like Tibetan or Mongolian examples I've read of or seen pictures of. > > There are similar silk brocade "boots" or "socks" with a leather sole > surviving from Mughul India and late Safavid Persia. They are luxury > items and definitely not for hard wear. I drew the conclusion that such footwear as one found in the Mughal miniatures were more along two lines of thought,the practical and status indicator.The latter not intended to be worn for very extended periods of time possibly. > Well, indeed they are - i have Drea's 16th c. Flemish woman's clothing > book and Margo's Elizabethan woman's pattern - and i've even met Margo > at an after Ren Fair dinner. I didn't know Drea had written a book.Cool. As yet I've only ever met Drea and quite by chance too,but Margo was a champ when I was fighting with an Elizabethan jerkin for a pal with an expanding waistline while I was trying to make the thing up!(its still in storage and unfinished.) > > But i think fitting a corset really needs a second pair of hands... Heheheee Absolutely.Not having another pair around to help me with my garb attempts results in some curiously breathless contortions,innumerable pin punctures - living sacrifice to the sewing god. You project sounds fab - good luck with it over next year.Any chance of pics? Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 08:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22303 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPD91fc012664; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPD90Fn010546; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3.adelphia.net (mta3.mail.adelphia.net [64.8.50.181] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPD82Fn010417 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.255] by mta3.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.25 201-253-122-126-125-20021216) with ESMTP id <20021225130348.SWUF10430.mta3.adelphia.net@[68.65.178.255]> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:03:48 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re:[h-cost] metallic organza From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021225121800.2731.58281.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:07:58 -0500 Status: RO on 12/25/02 7:18 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] metallic organza > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > So I went to > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-bridal > ---special-occasion-metallic-silk-organza.html > > and found that the stuff labeled 14karat is the same price as the blue > metallic, the pink metallic, etc. And they all drape the same in the > pictures. I cannot believe that the one labeled 14karat would go for less > than $10 per yard if it was really solid 14karat gold wires in one > direction. They could melt it and sell it for more than that if it really > were. I still like my it's-gold-plated theory. 14 karat was the color name of that specific piece. in the picture it's a pale gold. laurie > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 08:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26725 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPDm1fc013227; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPDm0Fn016901; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBPDl8Fn016726 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 06:47:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-20-60.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.20.60] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18RBsJ-0000Vx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:47:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c2ac1c$ac3c7420$3c1423d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021224214419.00d44dc0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] metallic organza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:51:06 -0000 Status: RO Kayta wrote: > I cannot believe that the one labeled 14karat would go for less > than $10 per yard if it was really solid 14karat gold wires in one > direction. They could melt it and sell it for more than that if it really > were. I still like my it's-gold-plated theory. If there were any gold in it at all it would not go for that price. I wishe it were otherwise, on this Xmas afternoon:-) best wishes to all Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 19:54:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26025 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ0smfc029234; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:54:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ0smFn014925; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:54:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBN9EhTM023914; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:14:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0660.gti.net [208.216.122.60]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 8ADC635901; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:14:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E06D401.FB0D9DDF@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6F1F21A39C1B0D8F66FACBA6" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [h-cost] Book "The Opulent Era" on eBay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:14:41 -0500 Status: RO --------------6F1F21A39C1B0D8F66FACBA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The oop book "The Opulent Era" is up on eBay right now & (so far) the price is pretty reasonable. This is a way, *way* gorgeous book (I think it's an exhibition catalog?), with utterly sublime color plates & obscure, valuable information about the House of Worth & Pingat & several other Victorian-era couturiers. HIGHLY recommend to anyone interested in Victorian-Edwardian costume. I'm not selling this, but I thought I'd point it out. Anyone who has seen it can vouch...it's a beaut of a book, definitely worth your book-buying dollar if this era interests you.. Ciao, ~Lisa http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20298&item=2801035946 --------------6F1F21A39C1B0D8F66FACBA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The oop book "The Opulent Era" is up on eBay right now
& (so far) the price is pretty reasonable.
This is a way, *way* gorgeous book (I think it's an
exhibition catalog?), with utterly sublime color plates
& obscure, valuable information about the House of Worth
& Pingat & several other Victorian-era couturiers.
HIGHLY recommend to anyone interested in Victorian-Edwardian costume.
I'm not selling this, but I thought I'd point it out.
Anyone who has seen it can vouch...it's a beaut of a book,
definitely worth your book-buying dollar if this era
interests you..
Ciao,
~Lisa
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(65.24.125.20) by mail.donet.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 07:05:43 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Marsha Hamilton To: , Marsha Hamilton Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123453773_2788863_MIME_Part" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pearl drop earrings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:02:53 -0500 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123453773_2788863_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you're still looking for pearl drop earrings, I'm making several styles that I've been selling at art shows. If any fit your needs, e-mail for details. Prices for earrings shown are $40. and under. All are quality material--vermeil, sterling, gold-fill and gold-plate, freshwater & cultured baroque pearls, garnets, amethysts, aquamarine, etc. Let me know if attachment can't be viewed. I'm using new software and haven't worked out the bugs with attachments yet. Marsha J. 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18:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBQ13uP09936 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:03:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0A5964.F62CA01D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] how many of us are there? References: <008501c29cb4$9ef492b0$b1cfadcb@michaela> <20021205170842.F2601@net.indra.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021207084150.01f7fad8@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:20:36 -0700 Status: RO Not me, dear! Historical costuming, as much as anything except maybe blackwork (and related needle-cousins) *is* my specialty. Or at least, my primary interest. This list is a life-saver and a sanity-saver for me, and part of that comes from the wonderful variety of opinions and abilities and interests that are expressed in the various posts. This variety is precisely *why* I joined the list, and why I'm still here, whether I agree with everyone or not! I may "play" primarily in a pre-17th c. group, but I love being able to vicariously play in other "days," by drooling over Bjarne's amazing confections, or Nicole's 17th c. stuff, or the lovely descriptions of 19th c. clothes.... I guess I just love fabric, and playing with it, no matter what I'm making with it. Glad you're all here. Hope you're all having a nice winter holiday! --sue Penny, you wrote: > >I am surprised on how the membership has dropped. Years ago there were > >about 800 members. I guess with all various costume lists people went into > >their our specialty. > > > >Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Dec 25 23:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26511 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ4f3fc004711; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ4f0Fn023617; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f140.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ4exFn023590 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:37:31 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 04:37:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] metallic organza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2002 04:37:31.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[80EB5CB0:01C2AC98] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:37:31 -0800 Status: RO It looks like that 14K is not the metal value, but the "color" name. How much "antique" silver would they have available for that color? Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! >So I went to > >http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-bridal---special-occasion-metallic-silk-organza.html > >and found that the stuff labeled 14karat is the same price as the blue >metallic, the pink metallic, etc. And they all drape the same in the >pictures. I cannot believe that the one labeled 14karat would go for less >than $10 per yard if it was really solid 14karat gold wires in one >direction. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 04:26:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15997 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 04:26:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ9Qmfc010903; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:26:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ9Q5Fn010006; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQ9P2Fn009644 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.33.14]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7P003IFZHOK3@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Katya/Turmeric dye In-reply-to: <318FE87E-1807-11D7-909B-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021226005032.050fc400@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:58:59 -0800 Status: RO >I'm planning to experiment with your hint using turmeric to dye with in >the New Year - since I'm moving mid January and likely to be off line for >a month can you pass on any tips about this?That way I can amuse myself >before I resubscribe and refer to my print-outs as I muddle thru'. > >I'm thinking of dying some cotton muslin and silk to make dhoti's and >shawls with a wax & dye over pattern based on some 16thC Mughal miniatures >I've been studying. I made an infusion of one small grocery store jar of turmeric in a couple of gallons of hot water, then dumped the wet cloth in it and boiled it a while. Since the turmeric didn't dissolve, there was a gritty residue to rinse out afterwards. The results weren't all that striking on the linen I used, and I had no idea if it needed a mordant, so I didn't use one. I suspect I could have gotten some spectacular results had I tried this on wool, or if I'd used less water or less fabric. I'm not much of a dyer. I learned most of what I know about dyestuffs from a US Department of Agriculture satin removal pamphlet, on the theory that a stain is dye in the wrong place. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 15:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08102 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:20:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQKJUfc003648; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQKI0Fn019529; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBQKHOFn019280 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:17:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.225.32.173] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:17:14 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: authentic colour choices, was Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021224151319.048a2a40@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Now i understand that if someone is spending large sums of money on fabric > >and huge blocks of time on a "costume" they want it to look good on them. > >So of course we make compromises, unless we are really trying to re-create > >as closely as possible a surviving garment or one in a painting. > > I sort-of disagree with you. I disagree as well and agree with Kayta. Now when I spend hundreds of pounds on fabric on a dress and I can choose between several perfectly authentic colour choices for the period, why the doodah would I choose one that doesn't suit me? I look one-week dead in yellow, so why would I choose a yellow 1660s dress and not a blue one, in which I look a zillion times better? Still just as authentic, but much better looking and NOT by any means a compromise. :-) Most people wanted and want to look good :-))) Nicole from a rainy and not snowy German forest. *sniff* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 16:57:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08589 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:57:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQLu3fc008779; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQLu0Fn023081; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQLt2Fn022722 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p25.directcon.net [206.170.184.124]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBQLskOP018568; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:54:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: <3E081EE9.3050601@kabelfoon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:57:28 -0800 Status: RO It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, so my 6 year old decided I must have her. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 17:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08616 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:02:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM12fc009207; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM11Fn024767; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM0HFn024475 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p25.directcon.net [206.170.184.124]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBQLxrOP019787; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:59:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021226140236.0086cdd0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Robin Netherton Workshop Alternative In-Reply-To: <3E081EE9.3050601@kabelfoon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:02:36 -0800 Status: RO Like many others, I'm on the waiting list for Robin Neterton's workshops in the Bay Area. If we don't get in, does anyone want to do something else? I was thinking of a trip to Thai Silks in Los Altos, and, for those who want to go farther afield, a pilgrimage to Britex in San Francisco, and dinner in Chinatown. Let me know if you're interested! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 17:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08652 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMA2fc010620; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMA1Fn028009; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM9kFn027751 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBQLrTP12504 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:53:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0B7E45.259B8958@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton Workshop Alternative References: <3.0.6.32.20021226140236.0086cdd0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:10:13 -0700 Status: RO *You* are a Horrible Torturer! *sniff* Some of us are too far away to do any of that...*sniff, sniff* --sue, feeling deprived ;-D Margo Anderson wrote: > > Like many others, I'm on the waiting list for Robin Neterton's workshops in > the Bay Area. If we don't get in, does anyone want to do something else? I > was thinking of a trip to Thai Silks in Los Altos, and, for those who want > to go farther afield, a pilgrimage to Britex in San Francisco, and dinner > in Chinatown. > > Let me know if you're interested! > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 17:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08689 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:19:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMI2fc011023; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMI1Fn000768; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMHkFn000680 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.17.132]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021226221744.EFYN15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:17:44 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:13:25 +0000 Status: RO On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 09:57 pm, Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? Not a thing Margo.Not a thing.Tiresome really but am glad to hear you did so well!!! Enjoy them all and think of those who got the most peculiar assortment of gifts,friends and family could come up with. < : >>> Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 17:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08753 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:34:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM41fc009721; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQM40Fn025761; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBQM3fFn025624 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:03:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021226220341.73926.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.225.32.173] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:03:41 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:03:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? Almost nothing for once, makes a change! ;-) Extended LOTR fellowship of the rings DVD Rohirrim shield for my Eowyn costume Digital camera (that already arrived in October) for museums and the likes. The rest is non-costume related *shock horror* yes I DO have a life besides *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 17:52:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08873 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMq2fc012737; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMq0Fn011570; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQMpKFn011348 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdf.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.223]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D9980480653 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:51:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c2ad31$82573030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:52:46 +0100 Status: RO Hi Margo. Nothing costume related for me under the tree this year, i got a video tape from Leif i wished for about the everyday life in Denmark from 1930- 1960. You know, historically film glims of all sorts of daily related things. But for myself i got What Clothes Reveal, the Catalog from Munic, and The large Kyoto Costume book. I really am pleased witht these books, especially the Kyoto Costume book is awsome i think, and i think i will get many inspirations from this, also colour inspirations, there are zillions of colour put togethers to choose from..........oh and i forgot, i also baught myself paper clay, but you know that all ready dont you! Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:01:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08905 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:01:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQN13fc013195; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQN11Fn014653; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQN0tFn014617 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-68-118-200-69.ma.charter.com ([68.118.200.69] helo=Spamcop.Net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Rgzm-0003ny-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0B8A09.1070507@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: authentic colour choices, was Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 References: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0500 Status: RO LOL I have to be amused at this...I have a friend in Gaertringen who is pouty because I in warm, relatively snowless eastern Connecticut US got snow on christmas, and all he got was rain;-) margali N Kipar wrote: > > Nicole from a rainy and not snowy German forest. *sniff* > > > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08946 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:31:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNU8fc014526; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNU1Fn023460; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNTaFn023266 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a212.in-tch.com [66.62.107.12]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBQNDKP12355 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:13:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0B90FB.8C4375CF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: authentic colour choices, was Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 References: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <3E0B8A09.1070507@Spamcop.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:30:03 -0700 Status: RO We didn't get snow or rain, although it's cold. Results of being in the middle of a drought, I guess. Nasty-looking dead-brown everywhere, although the consequences during next summer (fire season) could be really bad for timber and farming.... --Sue, in drab NW Montana.... M Traber wrote: > > LOL I have to be amused at this...I have a friend in Gaertringen > who is pouty because I in warm, relatively snowless eastern > Connecticut US got snow on christmas, and all he got was rain;-) > > margali > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > > Nicole from a rainy and not snowy German forest. *sniff* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08950 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNW2fc014615; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNW1Fn024199; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNVJFn023922 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNXImm000362 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:33:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0B919A.90808@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:32:42 -0800 Status: RO 6 yards of silk plaid taffeta, in autumn tones, embroidered with golden brown sprays of wheat heads, destined for a Regency ball gown, if I can bring myself to actually cut into it. It's beautiful enough to just frame!! Theresa Eacker Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09010 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:44:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNh1fc015106; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNh0u7028046; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNgbu7027909 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a212.in-tch.com [66.62.107.12]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBQNQLP16896 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:26:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0B9409.ED1D610A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B919A.90808@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:43:05 -0700 Status: RO Oooooh...pictures? --sue Theresa Eacker wrote: > > 6 yards of silk plaid taffeta, in autumn tones, embroidered with golden > brown sprays of wheat heads, destined for a Regency ball gown, if I can > bring myself to actually cut into it. It's beautiful enough to just frame!! > > Theresa Eacker > > Margo Anderson wrote: > > > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09018 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNj1fc015185; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNj1u7028723; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNihu7028556 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC677114076 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip217.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.217]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECE82114021 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004b01c2ad37$d442f680$d9604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:37:55 -0500 Status: RO i got no costuming goodies this year--but I did get a jig saw!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09022 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:46:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNk1fc015275; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNk0u7029207; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNjQu7028875 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a212.in-tch.com [66.62.107.12]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBQNTAP17831 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:29:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:54 -0700 Status: RO Nadda. I got lots of other nice goodies (a copy of LoTR, a new crockpot, tea, different kinds of chocolate, a calendar, etc.), but nothing costume or needlework related. I *did* get a nice, fat gift certificate to Amazon.com, though....and was thinking of buying a nice costume-related book. Anybody got any suggestions? --sue Margo Anderson wrote: > > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 18:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09038 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNu1fc015860; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBQNu0u7002693; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBQNtuu7002642 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:55:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWnH0hBh6tN7e5tGENWVYLjGHydcigo/5/Q=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HLZBECKE; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:55:20 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Message-ID: <20021226.183511.-608645.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:35:11 -0500 Status: RO A gift certificate for JoAnn Fabrics and one for Michael's Crafts. Both will be used on costume stuff. Yea!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09062 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:01:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR014fc016198; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR013u7004364; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBR00eu7004226 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19912 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-91.sonic.net [209.148.112.91]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBR00d101772 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:00:39 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3E0B989D.AF8C432A@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B919A.90808@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:02:37 -0800 Status: RO Theresa Eacker wrote: > 6 yards of silk plaid taffeta, in autumn tones, embroidered with golden > brown sprays of wheat heads, destined for a Regency ball gown, if I can > bring myself to actually cut into it. It's beautiful enough to just frame!! Where was it purchased? (That is, how can I buy some?) Fran -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09074 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:09:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR091i1016624; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR090u7006732; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR08Ou7006530 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBR08FKX021683 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212270008.gBR08FKX021683@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Lavolta Press" at Dec 26, 2002 04:02:37 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:08:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO *grin* I got Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd! Yay Dad! *happy dance* now, if I can just get my hands on that Vionnet book... .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09096 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0K1i1017070; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0K1u7009831; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0Jdu7009689 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:19:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0Ldmm001965 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0B9CEF.2020902@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: weather/costume (was:Re: authentic colour choices, was Re: [h-cost] Fashion plate dress 1851 References: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <3E0B8A09.1070507@Spamcop.Net> <3E0B90FB.8C4375CF@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:21:03 -0800 Status: RO Buckets of rain, heavy winds, more buckets of rain, a couple of "nice" (as in, no rain!!) days, then, here it comes again. Didn't go to a Gold Rush Era Christmas Dance in the foothills because of the heavy, wind-driven torrents. (Pooh, pooh, pooh!!) Theresa Eacker in the SF Bay Area Sue Clemenger wrote: > We didn't get snow or rain, although it's cold. Results of being in the > middle of a drought, I guess. Nasty-looking dead-brown everywhere, > although the consequences during next summer (fire season) could be > really bad for timber and farming.... > --Sue, in drab NW Montana.... > > M Traber wrote: > >>LOL I have to be amused at this...I have a friend in Gaertringen >>who is pouty because I in warm, relatively snowless eastern >>Connecticut US got snow on christmas, and all he got was rain;-) >> >>margali >> >>N Kipar wrote: >> >> >>>Nicole from a rainy and not snowy German forest. *sniff* >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09101 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0L1i1017153; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0L0u7010183; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0Kuu7010142 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:20:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0Mvmm001980 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:22:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0B9D3D.9010303@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B919A.90808@misc.com> <3E0B9409.ED1D610A@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:22:21 -0800 Status: RO I'll talk to my husband about how to scan and post. It'll be a new skill anyway!! Theresa EAcker Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooooh...pictures? > --sue > > Theresa Eacker wrote: > >>6 yards of silk plaid taffeta, in autumn tones, embroidered with golden >>brown sprays of wheat heads, destined for a Regency ball gown, if I can >>bring myself to actually cut into it. It's beautiful enough to just frame!! >> >>Theresa Eacker >> >>Margo Anderson wrote: >> >> >>>It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >>>related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09109 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0S2i1017415; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0S1u7012154; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0RSu7011957 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0TSmm001999 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:29:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0B9EC4.1020503@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:28:52 -0800 Status: RO Do you have the new book "Fashion" from the Kyoto Costume Institute, or "Dress in 18c Europe" by Aileen Ribeiro? Theresa Eacker (whose backlog of "want to have" costume books is up to 15 by now!!!) Sue Clemenger wrote: > Nadda. > I got lots of other nice goodies (a copy of LoTR, a new crockpot, tea, > different kinds of chocolate, a calendar, etc.), but nothing costume or > needlework related. > I *did* get a nice, fat gift certificate to Amazon.com, though....and > was thinking of buying a nice costume-related book. Anybody got any > suggestions? > --sue > > Margo Anderson wrote: > >>It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >>related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? >> >>I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a >>Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. >> >>Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but >>I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, >>so my 6 year old decided I must have her. >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09122 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:32:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0W1i1017560; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0W1u7013263; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0V5u7012949 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-83-124.client.attbi.com[12.246.83.124]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002122700305800300lpqpce>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:30:58 +0000 Message-ID: <3E0B9F64.4000708@fenris.net> From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:31:32 -0800 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > A monster sewing cabinet thing - one of the Koala ones that unfolds into a lot of work space. Bye Bye skinny little table! The sewing/weaving room is even clean (but don't look in the hallway). And Mom sent me some bucks which I spent on nice woolen yarn for some knitting. liz > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09127 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:32:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0W6i1017572; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0W6u7013292; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0Vhu7013169 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBR0VYBn021928 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212270031.gBR0VYBn021928@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Margo Anderson" at Dec 26, 2002 01:57:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:31:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO 6 year old? Oh Margo, you're not supposed to make me feel old for Christmas! .heather. > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 19:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09152 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:49:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0n2i1018237; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0n0u7018163; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR0m5u7017875 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2iveuut.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.123.221] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18RifU-0000vb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:48:05 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226193525.00adc690@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell In-Reply-To: <20021227000103.4322.92558.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:47:15 -0500 Status: RO At Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:57:28 -0800, Margo Anderson asked: >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? As usual, nothing. Most of my sewing and costuming stuff I buy myself on odd trips to fabric stores, bookstores, and online. Most of my sewing/costuming stuff is the sort of thing that family and friends wouldn't know what to pick up (and would tend to pick up something absolutely dreadful and/or unusable), so it's rather better that I do the purchasing myself. >I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a >Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. Really kewl. There's some nice extras on the Elizabeth R DVD you'll want to look at (some photos of the costuming process, and Glenda Jackson's recollections of the same). Did you get the regular Shakespeare in Love or the Collector's Edition? I got the regular one and then three months or so later saw there was a Collector's Edition with lots more extras and interesting stuff... but I couldn't bring myself to spend the extra money for another copy of a flick I already *had* a copy of. >Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but >I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, >so my 6 year old decided I must have her. Sounds *cute* :) I got a new hard drive for my notebook -- I guess that *sort of* remotely relates to sewing/costuming, as I need more hard drive space to store my stash database and garb photos. I also got several Cherished Teddies figurines for my collection, some earphones I've been looking to get since November, and a passel of teddy bears for my hug... What I really need for Christmas is some *time* to work on next year's projects! Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 20:04:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09198 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR133i1018706; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR131u7021662; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (relay04.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR12au7021558 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:02:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7675 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 01:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([65.73.51.94]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.1) with SMTP for ; 27 Dec 2002 01:02:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c2ad43$be297fc0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <3E0B8A09.1070507@Spamcop.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] was authentic colour, now snow Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:03:18 -0500 Status: RO > LOL I have to be amused at this...I have a friend in Gaertringen > who is pouty because I in warm, relatively snowless eastern > Connecticut US got snow on christmas, and all he got was rain;-) > margali > > Nicole from a rainy and not snowy German forest. *sniff* I helped my Mom, up in Queensbury NY (up by Vermont), who had a snowblower that took care of most of the 2 ft + they got. the period last night when we were getting 5 inches AN HOUR was interesting. I'm not sure I have ever before been in the orange band on the weather channel radar. For those of you who don't know, it starts out as blue for light, goes through various greens, then into yellows, shading into oranges and then red for the heaviest. with blowing winds, we were just happy that the power didn't go out. Then I managed to drive (southwest) to where I live in the middle of New York State (about 200 miles from NYC). And found 35 inches in my driveway - which is 50 feet long and double wide, since normally I would have a tenant parking on one side. And I do not have a snowblower - haven't needed one in the past 3 years. Finally found someone who would plow it for $50. And I paid it. It turned out to be a good deal, since there was so much snow that he had problems moving it. And I do not live at all close to Buffalo (or I would be used to this!) I would welcome Nicole to come visit from Germany, if she'll help shovel! Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 20:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09212 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:06:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR161i1018807; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR160u7022377; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR15Fu7022190 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4346 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([65.73.51.94]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.1) with SMTP for ; 27 Dec 2002 01:05:14 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c2ad44$1d0148c0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <20021226220341.73926.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:05:57 -0500 Status: RO > --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I bought myself the treadle sewing machine that Singer put out this year - saw it on QVC, and I have always wanted one! Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 20:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09316 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:33:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR1X1i1019685; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR1X0u7029464; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR1WHu7029278 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22195 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:42:29 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton Workshop Alternative In-Reply-To: <3E0B7E45.259B8958@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:42:29 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > *You* are a Horrible Torturer! *sniff* > Some of us are too far away to do any of that...*sniff, sniff* > --sue, feeling deprived ;-D Sue is not allowed to feel *too* deprived. She's been to my workshop! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 21:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09398 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2F2i1021056; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2F1u7010502; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2EIu7010293 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m251.in-tch.com [216.166.191.251]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBR1w2P07532 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:58:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0BB799.29114988@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton Workshop Alternative References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:14:49 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, but she needs a refresher course, badly. And it would be wonderful to get to hang out with some costuming-types, and go.... *shopping!* --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > *You* are a Horrible Torturer! *sniff* > > Some of us are too far away to do any of that...*sniff, sniff* > > --sue, feeling deprived ;-D > > Sue is not allowed to feel *too* deprived. She's been to my workshop! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 21:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09411 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:20:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2K1i1021240; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2K0u7011614; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf23bis.bellsouth.net (mail223.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.193]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR2Juu7011576 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.78.20.84]) by imf23bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021227022143.JQWH81.imf23bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:21:43 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:19:07 -0500 Status: RO I got a hard cover copy of the Virtue and Beauty book... I love it! I also got a digital camera, so I can take pics of my stuff. And a DVD player, so I can, urm, research. (Yeah, that's the ticket...) Apollonia Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi Kingdom of Atlantia www.livejournal.com/users/apollonia **Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.** -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 22:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09580 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:11:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3A7i1022964; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:10:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3A1u7023927; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21303.mail.yahoo.com (web21303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBR39Iu7023665 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:09:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021227030918.11860.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.104.253] by web21303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:09:18 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:09:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What > sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I, too, received Elizabeth R on DVD. *And* I got my first DVD player so that I can actually watch it!! :-) My sweet husband gave me a VCR/DVD player and my younger daughter gave me Elizabeth R...happy sigh...I've been wanting the DVD set since I found out it was being released last year. And one of my girlfriends gave me another pair of Gingher dressmaker shears. That makes 4, but since I've got daughters who sew, mine shears are *always* missing--so another pair is a very good thing! One other good thing happened while housecleaning for the holidays was finding fabric that I'd forgotten I had--just perfect for a new 16th century gown! Yippee!! Happy Holidays to you all. kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 22:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09632 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:31:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3V1i1023591; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3V0u7029186; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3U4u7028942 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-68-118-200-69.ma.charter.com ([68.118.200.69] helo=Spamcop.Net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18RlCG-00079G-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:30:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0BC927.10201@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] was authentic colour, now snow References: <20021226201714.34056.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <3E0B8A09.1070507@Spamcop.Net> <001d01c2ad43$be297fc0$01fea8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:29:43 -0500 Status: RO ROTFLMAO I grew up in a small town called Perry...if you draw a line between buffalo and rochester, then go south by about 50 miles. I can remember the years when my father was stationied in a war zone living with my grandparents and sledding out of a third floor window... margali [and i am probably going to g'tringen in march or april to play in the snow;-) ] Rowena wrote: > And I do not have a snowblower - haven't needed one in the past 3 years. > Finally found someone who would plow it for $50. And I paid it. It > turned out to be a good deal, since there was so much snow that he had > problems moving it. > And I do not live at all close to Buffalo (or I would be used to this!) > > I would welcome Nicole to come visit from Germany, if she'll help shovel! > Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 22:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09646 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:47:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3k1i1024051; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3k0u7003097; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3jru7003057 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:45:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ACF0E206004A; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:45:52 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACF0635013C; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:45:52 -0600 Message-ID: <005201c2ad5a$804eb960$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:46:12 -0500 Status: RO Merry Christmas to all!!!!!! I f-I-n-a-l-l-y got the video of Cher's 1999 concert. Some of you may have seen this concert on HBO. I asked for the video last year but it was hard to find. It has a section with Bob Mackie's renderings for this show's costumes. There are also two costumes in the show that she wore from the Sonny and Cher show. I would love to see renderings of this year's Farewell concert costumes. I saw Cher's concert last summer in Phillie and there were a lot of different vintage and cultural influences in her costumes. My son bought me a brooch from the 1920s. We have this one vintage shop and I always tell my son that he can go there and buy me anything. I also got a lot of stationary with vintage fashion items printed on them. I got some bustle and 1890s figurines!!!!!! I collect both stationary and figurines!!!! On the other hand, my oldest son is dating a college student who is a fashion major. She loves period fashions. What an easy person for me to get a gift for... I just went to my Delineator stash and found a nice 1930 issue for her and some prints of paintings from the Smithsonian. She told my son that was the best gift she has ever received. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at > margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 22:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09653 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:50:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3o1i1024221; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3o1u7004053; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR3mhu7003701 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:48:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD9AB33004C; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:48:42 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD9A1F5012C; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:48:42 -0600 Message-ID: <006601c2ad5a$e5cbdd40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:49:02 -0500 Status: RO Sneaking over to Sue's house and slipping away with that amazon.com gift certificate. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 23:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09756 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:29:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4T3i1025506; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4T0u7012791; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4SZu7012654 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBR4wYaB029664; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:58:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBR4wXpg029662; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:58:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212262358.33146.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBR4SZu7012654 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:58:33 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 26 December 2002 04:57 pm, Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? Textiles for Colonial Clothing, by Sally A. Queen. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Dec 26 23:36:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09776 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:36:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4Z1i1025679; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4Z0u7014124; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR4Y8u7013924 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBR546aB029697; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:04:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBR54649029695; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:04:06 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226193525.00adc690@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226193525.00adc690@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212270004.05884.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBR4Y8u7013924 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:04:05 -0500 Status: RO On Thursday 26 December 2002 07:47 pm, Brenda Bell wrote: > At Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:57:28 -0800, Margo Anderson asked: > >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > As usual, nothing. Most of my sewing and costuming stuff I buy myself on > odd trips to fabric stores, bookstores, and online. Most of my > sewing/costuming stuff is the sort of thing that family and friends > wouldn't know what to pick up (and would tend to pick up something > absolutely dreadful and/or unusable), so it's rather better that I do the > purchasing myself. Amazon's Wish List technology can work wonders in clueing friends and family in as to what you need--at least as to new books anyway.... -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 00:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09830 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5D1i1026834; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5D0u7023138; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5CGu7022932 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m76.in-tch.com [216.166.191.76]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBR4txP28329 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:56:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0BE14D.2C704088@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> <006601c2ad5a$e5cbdd40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:12:45 -0700 Status: RO I dunno, Penny....The house is pretty well defended by four furry slugs...uh...attack cats. Yeah, that's right. Attack cats. ;-P --sue, making tracks to hide the fabric stash and her newest books, while she's at it..... Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Sneaking over to Sue's house and slipping away with that amazon.com gift > certificate. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 00:14:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09835 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:14:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5E1i1026880; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5E0u7023398; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5Dru7023333 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:13:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m76.in-tch.com [216.166.191.76]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBR4vbP28814 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:57:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0BE1AF.BF3A09DE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:14:23 -0700 Status: RO Now *that* one, I might have to have.... Apollonia, do you have the particulars on that (ISBN, etc.)..... --sue, dumping cookie crumbs out of her keyboard Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi wrote: > > I got a hard cover copy of the Virtue and Beauty book... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 00:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09845 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:24:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5O2i1027268; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5O1u7025643; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5Ngu7025561 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A3DD4A6D010E; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:23:41 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3DD2A5021A; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:23:41 -0600 Message-ID: <00a801c2ad68$24c835e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> <006601c2ad5a$e5cbdd40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0BE14D.2C704088@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's Christmas Stash X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:23:51 -0500 Status: RO Sue, I know exactly what sewing cats like... turkey... my 3 sewing cats have been following me around since Thanksgiving waiting for me to give them more turkey. Soooooooo... your kitties will turn on you in a heartbeat. Good for you to mention the books... I know you don't have cotton Japanese prints. That is my latest interest. So the fabric stash is safe. But BOOKS!!!!!!!! They are mine now! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 00:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09875 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5X1i1027548; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5X1u7027620; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5Wcu7027524 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m76.in-tch.com [216.166.191.76]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBR5GLP04527 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:16:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0BE613.28504D27@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's Christmas Stash References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> <006601c2ad5a$e5cbdd40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0BE14D.2C704088@in-tch.com> <00a801c2ad68$24c835e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:33:07 -0700 Status: RO Ha!, I say, HA! I'll just distract you with my 2-volume edition of Shakespeare's works, printed in the 1880s, that have etchings of actors of the day in some of the roles.... Only one of the 4 cats actually will eat people food, and that's only certain items. And turkey isn't one of them! And I actually do have a few japanese cotton prints...set aside for some of those cushions I suddenly can't remember the name of. They'll be a graduation present for a friend, if he ever does. Graduate. The books you'd have to fight me for ...some of those buggers I hauled all over England. And Ireland. On trains. Off trains. On ferries. Off ferries. On subways. Off subways.....And airports? Oy, veh! *snerk!* And then there was *customs!* --Sue, burying the book stash in the back yard.....;-P Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Sue, > > I know exactly what sewing cats like... turkey... my 3 sewing cats have been > following me around since Thanksgiving waiting for me to give them more > turkey. Soooooooo... your kitties will turn on you in a heartbeat. > > Good for you to mention the books... I know you don't have cotton Japanese > prints. That is my latest interest. So the fabric stash is safe. But > BOOKS!!!!!!!! They are mine now! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 00:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09978 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5o3i1028047; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5o1u7002377; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR5leu9001728 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2002122705484105300k5n0ae>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:48:41 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-Reply-To: <3E0BE1AF.BF3A09DE@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:38:32 -0800 Status: RO I got one thing for costume stuff for Christmas. It is one of those hair twirler things. It has three prongs. I am going to use it to make cording. And yes, I picked it out, paid for it, and gave it to my sister to give to my daughter to give to me, and then acted surprised. It was better than getting some thing from the hallmark store.... she has this thing about cute teddy bears, which is what you expect from someone her age, but I just couldn't handle another trip to the mall so that she could get me something that I didn't want. She was happy, I was happy. My son brought home a couple of girls for Christmas. They got bored on Christmas day and raided my fabric and pattern stash and started sewing. It was a unique experience for me since my daughter is obsessed with dance. It is always interesting to see what they make. I also saw a movie of mansfield park. It was good, but the costuming was all wrong. At 10:14 PM 12/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Now *that* one, I might have to have.... >Apollonia, do you have the particulars on that (ISBN, etc.)..... >--sue, dumping cookie crumbs out of her keyboard > >Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi wrote: > > > > I got a hard cover copy of the Virtue and Beauty book... >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 01:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10062 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:33:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6W2i1029313; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6W0u7013311; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6V9u7013113 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.33.14]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7R00FKRM3UE5@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021226220902.00cc2b10@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E081EE9.3050601@kabelfoon.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:18:40 -0800 Status: RO >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > >I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a >Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > >Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but >I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, >so my 6 year old decided I must have her. I was given a book of Edward Curtis's photographs of Native Americans, full of their costumes, and a 1925 edition of 'Hans Brinker, or, The Silver Skates', full of '1925-historical' Dutch costumes. I gave myself some bone-handled either crochet hooks or, more likely, tambour hooks. I spent my Xmas money on linen and Spandex. My main man got, from me, all the wool and lining-silk he will need to make his frock coat. (He saw some costumer-made frock coats at Dickens' Fair this year, and I think he'll finally get the frock coat made this coming year, in time for Dickens' Fair in Novmber.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 01:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10105 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6u1i1029872; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6u0u7018553; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBR6tku7018497 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A971DC440126; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:55:45 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A9726110120; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:55:46 -0600 Message-ID: <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:55:37 -0500 Status: RO Maryann, I know what you mean about having fun with the girls!!!!! My daughter is obsessed with hairstyles... she tolerates my obsession with costume. A wonderful Christmas present to me (although he doesn't know it) was that my first son is dating a girl who has interest in historic costume!!! She actually took classes with me when I was in college but I didn't know her then. It isn't that she is old... it was me... I graduated at 40. My son thinks it is neat to have someone who he can talk fashion with. This is my son who took color coordinating his clothes at age 4 a little too seriously. My 4th son, is a theater tech. He dates girls who are in the dept. or he recruits them to work on shows before he will date them. Then he brings them home and shows off all my goodies... like my antique fans. #4 son gave me the most wonderful Christmas. When I was working on the Japanese quilt, my little Katie wanted to learn to sew on the machine. I was cutting fabric, and really didn't have much patience to work with my impatient daughter. I told her to get on the machine and practice sewing straight seams. Of course in 5 minutes, she was throwing a fit and had the bobbin messed up. #4 son came in and started teaching her how to sew on the machine. I almost fell out of my chair. I asked him... where did he learn to sew on a machine. He said, "Mom, I have been awarded Theatre Tech of the Year for the past two years. I sew the costumes for the shows!!!" You could have knocked me over with a feather. I knew he was helping with the costumes. All along, I thought he was just cutting the costumes for the shows. I am just thrilled to know my gift of sewing was passed on to one of my children. He said that all the techies are required to sew on the machines. Lastly, #2 son... the artsy sculptor one... saw the quilt and said, "You know, I would like to learn to sew on a machine to make an artsy quilt." This son has known how to sew by hand his whole life. I told him about some of the artsy quilt shows I have been too. He is interested in going to the Williamsburg Quilt Show in February with me. This show can inspire anyone!! If he starts quilting, I can't wait to see what he would design. He just bubbles with creative ideas. He sells a lot of his artwork and thinks this might be a good medium for him to go into. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 05:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21727 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:27:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRAO5i1004919; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRAO1u7029421; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRANhu7029346 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from attbi.com (12-225-255-146.client.attbi.com[12.225.255.146]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <20021227102337001003l38ce>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3E0C2A29.9000609@attbi.com> From: Roscelin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:23:37 -0800 Status: RO The love of my life presented me with the 3 costume books that were recently for sell on E-bay. My collection is slowly getting better. Hurray! And my future mother-in-law gave me a $50 gift certificate from the Craft Warehouse. Roscelin Margo Anderson wrote: >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > >I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > >Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 05:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21794 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRAw1i1005457; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRAw0u7005556; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41004.mail.yahoo.com (web41004.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBRAuxu7005393 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:56:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021227105654.87251.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.73.162] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:56:54 PST From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1825833330-1040986614=:87100" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:56:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-1825833330-1040986614=:87100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got a used sewingmachine. A pfaff from 1976, still with the original reciept and guaranties. It is really nice, as so far I have been doing all my sewing by hand. After sewing my farthingale I got really tired of handsewing straight seams. 20 meters of ribbon sewn on both side to make channels for the bones. 40 meters of unending sewing. Tania --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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I got a used sewingmachine.

A pfaff from 1976, still with the original reciept and guaranties.

It is really nice, as so far I have been doing all my sewing by hand. After sewing my farthingale I got really tired of handsewing straight seams. 20 meters of ribbon sewn on both side to make channels for the bones. 40 meters of unending sewing.

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Sign up now --0-1825833330-1040986614=:87100-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 07:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22056 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCogi1007436; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:50:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCm1u7024649; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCl4u7024464 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBRCl311017294 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:47:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-Reply-To: <20021226220341.73926.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:47:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I > always ask this question. What sewing and costume > > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? Oh, lessee -- I got a book on identifying vintage textiles, another book on life in the Plymouth colony, and the DVD set of the Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries with Edward Petherbridge. I _guess_ that's costume-related, because I drool over the clothing in period pieces, and have a weakness for men's clothing from that period... Gave Kevin a book on New England pine furniture, and a gift certificate for Home Depot (for a tool he wants, which they didn't have in stock when I was there shopping). Got (and gave) a couple of costume books, including the Kyoto book (Evolution in Fashion), and "An Elegant Art", and of course I got those earrings, and matching necklace, from the musee d'Orsay, with which I am very disappointed. They are out of scale with the earrings in de la Tour's paintings on which they are modeled. I have to read the paperwork to find out if I can return them at no cost; if not, I'll try to sell them. Anyone want a pair? :) They'd work rather well for the 1950s, actually... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 07:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22061 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCrfi1007476; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:53:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCp1u7025157; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRCogu7025075 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBRCof11017522 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-Reply-To: <3E0B9EC4.1020503@misc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:50:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ONLY 15? -- Mara On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Theresa Eacker wrote: > Theresa Eacker (whose backlog of "want to have" costume books is up to > 15 by now!!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 08:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22087 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD22i1007713; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD21u7027433; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD1lu7027380 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.89.134.197]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20021227130141.RHRB9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:01:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3E0C4F71.25AB0B2A@worldnet.att.net> From: Justine Magill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:02:42 -0500 Status: RO > > --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I > > always ask this question. What sewing and costume > > > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I almost did not answer this post.... Since my divorce 3 years ago, I just have not done Christmas at all. No tree, and no presents... I used to love the season, but my ex spouse put a damper on it for me. However, I did get some cushions from one of my SCA cousins. And while this is not entirely sewing related, I am redecorating my apartment to make it into a home... Rather than a place to sleep. So, I guess you could say I got a new project for Christmas! LOL Just think of all those curtains that need to be sewn.... Not to mention the canvas floor cloths that need to be sewn together and painted.... and the walls that need to be painted.... Hmmmmmmm The sun hits the kitchen in the morning... As I look out at whats left of the NYC skyline, I think a rose colored room would be lovely..... *G* And greys, greens, blues and lavenders figure prominently in the rest of the decor ideas. Jenne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 08:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22091 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD30i1007737; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD30u7027593; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRD2au7027511 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBRD2Z11018689 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's Christmas Stash In-Reply-To: <00a801c2ad68$24c835e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:02:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Speaking of fabric, I ventured to JoAnn's on Christmas Eve, since I had the day off and was contemplting sewing some more clothing for work (which I actually didn't do, yet) and needed a couple of zippers for the pants. I found some lovely poly-rayon fabric in their evening wear section that was half-price, so bought some that looks like changeable silk, with black warp and dark red weft. I got so distracted by this fabric that I went straight home and made it into a kimono-style jacket (the type with triangle-shaped sleeves that you make by folding up one corner of a rectangle); I think the style is called a 'happi' jacket in the book I have on how to make your own Japanese clothes. (happy smile) I really like the way it turned out, and am contemplating going back next payday for some actual silk dupioni they had in stock, and making another one. I have one of these in a peacock blue/black dupioni, and it looks really nice worn over anything from the standard little black dress to blue jeans. So that fabric didn't even have a _chance_ to dive into my stack and hide itself! I've been working on reducing the stash, but somehow it never seems to get any smaller... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 08:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22180 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDc2i1009247; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDc0u7004623; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDbfu7004541 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:37:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a245.in-tch.com [66.62.107.45]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBRDLOP28285 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:21:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0C57C4.A5468061@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:38:12 -0700 Status: RO That's her *backlog*, not her stash, so maybe she buys them more often than most of us? My backlog's small at the moment...I took care of a lot of it in Europe! --sue Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > ONLY 15? > > -- Mara > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Theresa Eacker wrote: > > Theresa Eacker (whose backlog of "want to have" costume books is up to > > 15 by now!!!) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 08:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22252 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:51:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDp2i1009821; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDp1u7007412; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf07bis.bellsouth.net (mail307.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.167]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDoru7007326 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.76.153.174]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021227135240.MVSZ13418.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:52:40 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3E0BE1AF.BF3A09DE@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:50:04 -0500 Status: RO http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691090572/ref=cm_wl_ovu-pg.1- pos.3/102-7602307-6720116?v=glance&coliid=I1LBTGHTWAAB8M&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER There it is on Amazon, who had the book here in no time! So my hubby says... Apollonia, who keeps her cookies away from the computer, or anal-retentive husband would have a stroke -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Now *that* one, I might have to have.... Apollonia, do you have the particulars on that (ISBN, etc.)..... --sue, dumping cookie crumbs out of her keyboard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 08:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22269 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:57:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDv1i1010125; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDv0u7008658; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRDu1u7008406 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a245.in-tch.com [66.62.107.45]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBRDdiP02741 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:39:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0C5C0F.A62052E8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:56:31 -0700 Status: RO Thanks! --sue Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi wrote: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691090572/ref=cm_wl_ovu-pg.1- > pos.3/102-7602307-6720116?v=glance&coliid=I1LBTGHTWAAB8M&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER > > There it is on Amazon, who had the book here in no time! So my hubby > says... > > Apollonia, who keeps her cookies away from the computer, or anal-retentive > husband would have a stroke > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:14 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > > Now *that* one, I might have to have.... > Apollonia, do you have the particulars on that (ISBN, etc.)..... > --sue, dumping cookie crumbs out of her keyboard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 11:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22750 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGX2i1018251; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGX1u7021934; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21411.mail.yahoo.com (web21411.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBRGWOu7021683 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:32:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021227163224.30595.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.198] by web21411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:32:24 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:32:24 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hmmm, I got one of the Pasold Studies books on textiles from one best friend and the DVD "Valmont" from the other. (I've almost got my S.O. convinced to wear an outfit from this time period, and he likes "Valmont" better than "Dangerous Liasons") Gave (with help)all of Margo's patterns to one of the afore mentioned friends, wrapped in peacock feather fabric, lots of ribbon to someone working on projects with ribbonwork, and sewed new costumes for my S.O. for Yule. The look on Molly's face as she carefully unpinned the fabric and saw the patterns she's been drooling over since Margo first announced she was working on them was worth every penny, especially when she was told that the Gentleman's set was included! Gave myself an extra vacation day, for 3 days off in a row, and spent them sewing stuff--got a pre-Raphaelite inspired gown 90% done, cut out 9 outfits for Althaia, and got 2 other outfits for the Masquerade project cut out! Happily, Angharat, who is busily plotting with Molly to use our new patterns and thoroughly play with our director's mind! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 11:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22768 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGi3i1018856; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGi0u7025939; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGhBu7025578 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.142.6363f97 (4426) for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:43:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <142.6363f97.2b3ddd18@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:43:04 EST Status: RO Well--and Happy Holidays all around---!! I guess I better hide my Amazon gift certificate--after what I've heard so far:) I know I have a hand crank sewing machine on it's way soon---from a Dear Friend--(now I can sew even when we take the camper to Jalama or the mountains! huzzahhhh!!!) My husband also got some garden furniture---so we can sit out amongst my 173 roses come springtime(my 3th favorite passion behind costumning and jewelry-making)--and I got cook books on french and thai cooking---(my 4th passion:) Now all I have to do is retire from my 'day job' and win the lottery, to enjoy them all uninterrupted:)!!! Oops!! ---and I almost forgot---my little sister --knowing my addiction to fabric and jewelry findings ---sent me 7 yards of dupioni silk cross woven in blue and gold--and some yummy strands of creamy pink round pearls and citrines.I'm sure that these last must be made into something to go with the dupioni---mmmmmm!! But what time period shall I pick?? Ideas, anyone? Ohhhh----and another friend gifted me with a Princess of the French Court Barbie---the scarey thing is---I already have all the fabrics in my fabric hoarde to duplicate her outfit!!! Ekkk!! Cheers and Best-- Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 11:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22775 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGk2i1019027; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGk1u7026825; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRGjZu7026602 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.196.1306a4f4 (4426) for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <196.1306a4f4.2b3ddd9e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:45:18 EST Status: RO Congrats on your sewing machine Tania!! Sewing by hand all the time beause you have to could really get old, really fast!!! Now you'll be able to indulge yourself with at least rwice as sets of clothes in half the time:) Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 13:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23166 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:17:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIH2i1024221; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIH1u7000936; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIGau7000776 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ED81C387A for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id ADD534671; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.188.226] Message-Id: <20021227181635.ADD534671@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBRIGau7000776 Subject: [h-cost] Re: What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lead Weights. No, really, I needed new pattern weights so I put them on my christmas list and hubby got them for me (along with other things, not just the weights.) He told me that when he picked them up at the store he started bouncing them in his hand, just to check the weight, and all the sales people backed away from him. Liz Gerds _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. 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Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 13:18:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23173 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:18:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIHGi1024242; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIHGu7001055; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIGlu7000865 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:16:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BEE1C3756 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AB8C63CBD; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.188.226] Message-Id: <20021227181636.AB8C63CBD@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBRIGlu7000865 Subject: [h-cost] Re: What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:16:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lead Weights. No, really, I needed new pattern weights so I put them on my christmas list and hubby got them for me (along with other things, not just the weights.) He told me that when he picked them up at the store he started bouncing them in his hand, just to check the weight, and all the sales people backed away from him. Liz Gerds _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. 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Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 13:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23199 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIL1i1024444; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIL1u7002492; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRIKIu7002240 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.242] (tnt-1-50.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.242]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBRIKG019541 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:19:05 -0800 Status: RO At 1:57 PM -0800 12/26/02, Margo Anderson wrote: >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? Nothing directly costume-related for Christmas. On the tangentially-related list, I got the LOTR:FOTR extended edition DVD, although I ended up giving it to myself. (Various of my siblings, including me, had mentioned it on our "want lists", so I'd picked up two copies to give, but one of the intended targets got a copy from someone else first, and I had gotten him something else as well, so I kept the movie.) But on the non-Christmas front, my mother pipes up this morning and asks me, "So, do you think you're ready for your great-great-grandmother's diamond ring?" Needless to say, I said 'yes'. (The only stipulation is that it has to be kept in the family when I hand it on.) My great-great-grandfather bought the ring for her on the birth of their first child while he was in Paris on a buying trip for R.H. Macy. It still has the original setting (which is described in the documentation as a "Tiffany setting" although I don't know if this is referring to the style or to the actual maker). Now I just have to find occasions when it will be appropriate for jeans-and-t-shirt-me to wear it. (There is also a locket with photos of the two of them, and it looks like a lock of g-g-g'mother's hair tucked behind the picture.) I'm debating whether it's time to get a safe-deposit box at my bank, or maybe simply to get a home safe of some type. I was burgled once, many years ago, and this is stuff I have no intention of losing! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 14:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23326 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:11:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRJB1i1027595; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRJB0u7021115; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRJAUu7020860 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.2b.346dbfdd (16484) for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:10:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.346dbfdd.2b3dff97@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:10:15 EST Status: RO Oh- Heather DO get a sfe deposit box. My house was burgeled about 8 years ago.I was devastated to loose, amongst other things, 3 sets of antique sterling that had been in the family from 2 great aunties and my great grandmother--plus the diamond and ruby ring from my other grandmother--not to mention most of my costumne jewely , as well as 'the real stuff ' I had made for myself:( While the insurance paid -----it's still not the same---nor the complete amount:( Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 14:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23356 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:24:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRJO2i1028228; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRJO1u7025504; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21403.mail.yahoo.com (web21403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBRJNAu7025217 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:23:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021227192308.89796.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.198] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:23:08 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2b.346dbfdd.2b3dff97@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:23:08 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Heather, Get the box! Burglery and such disasters as fires can cause you to lose all sorts of precious things. *shudder* Angharat, who definitely has been there __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 15:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23480 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:09:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRK83i1000432; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRK81u7011151; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRK78u7010735 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRK9Bmm000500 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:09:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:08:33 -0800 Status: RO Well, what can I say, I'm pretty much a newbie in all areas, including depth of book lust!! Theresa Eacker Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > ONLY 15? > > -- Mara > > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Theresa Eacker wrote: > >>Theresa Eacker (whose backlog of "want to have" costume books is up to >>15 by now!!!) >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 15:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23499 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKB3i1000609; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKB2u7012429; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBRKAQu7012148 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqDz26XOUE76ZiuBAqROlo1G881VOHZyTA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL3GV8SG; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:09:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021227.140555.-145183.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-15,20-23 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] New Patterns From Butterick Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:05:55 -0600 Status: RO I just got back from a pillaging trip thru JoAnn Fabrics where they are having a $.99 sale on Butterick and McCalls patterns. Much to my surprise and glee, Butterick has a new set of Victorian patterns out. There is a woman's 1840/50's(?) gown that is clearly supposed to be from a formal portrait of Queen Victoria, it's complete with crimson, ermine trimmed over-robe, and there's an Albert military style outfit to go with it for the menfolk! There's also a later Victorian men's morning coat and vest and an 1890's style wedding dress for the ladies which could eaily turn into a visiting dress just by NOT making it in white satin. The numbers to look for are: 'Victoria' Formal Gown Butterick 3713 'Albert' Military Coat and Trousers Butterick 3723 Late Victorian Morning Coat and Vest Butterick 3721 1890's Wedding Dress Butterick 3716 Of course none of these are absolutely perfect as historical reproductions, but they are part of the 'Making History' series and are far better than most previous attempts at similar designs. None of these seem ot be up on the Butterick web site yet, so they are brand-spankin'-new! 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Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 15:14:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23510 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKE3i1000770; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKE2u7013433; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKATu7012178 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKCXmm000504 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:12:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0CB40A.7050400@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:11:54 -0800 Status: RO Are they too small then? Bummer, they looked pretty good in the photo. I don't remember seeing any dimensions given to help with scale, but, then, I've bought earrings on E-bay that had the desired _stated_ size and found out that sellers have different notions of what "inch/cm" mean!!! I'll bet you could build your own and get exactly what you want!! Theresa Eacker Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: (Pruning) got those > earrings, and matching necklace, from the musee d'Orsay, with which I am > very disappointed. They are out of scale with the earrings in de > la Tour's paintings on which they are modeled. I have to read the > paperwork to find out if I can return them at no cost; if not, I'll try to > sell them. Anyone want a pair? :) They'd work rather well for the 1950s, > actually... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 15:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23627 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKw8i1002833; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKw1vq028834; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRKvOvq028582 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-013casfrmp007.dialsprint.net ([158.252.217.9]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18S1Xm-00027X-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:57:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:57:54 -0800 Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? My only gift was from my daughter, something i wanted: the soundtack CD from the documentary "Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control" Heck, i'm on a fabric diet and i haven't even bought myself any fabric this month. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 16:12:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23669 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:12:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLBAi1003438; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLB1vq003673; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLAavq003502 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:10:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBRLAZ11013668 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-Reply-To: <3E0CB40A.7050400@misc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:10:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO No, they're too big! They'd fit someone of the stature of, say, Julia Child. On me, they're just outsized. -- Mara On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Theresa Eacker wrote: > Are they too small then? Bummer, they looked pretty good in the photo. > I don't remember seeing any dimensions given to help with scale, but, > then, I've bought earrings on E-bay that had the desired _stated_ size > and found out that sellers have different notions of what "inch/cm" mean!!! > > I'll bet you could build your own and get exactly what you want!! > > Theresa Eacker > > Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > (Pruning) > > got those > > earrings, and matching necklace, from the musee d'Orsay, with which I am > > very disappointed. They are out of scale with the earrings in de > > la Tour's paintings on which they are modeled. I have to read the > > paperwork to find out if I can return them at no cost; if not, I'll try to > > sell them. Anyone want a pair? :) They'd work rather well for the 1950s, > > actually... > > > > -- Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 16:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23676 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLD1i1003535; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLD1vq004353; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLCcvq004228 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBRLCb11013865 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hm, a fabric diet... well, I seem to have the same willpower when it comes to that as to actual food! -- Mara On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > Heck, i'm on a fabric diet and i haven't even bought myself any > fabric this month. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 16:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23720 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLR5i1004101; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLR0vq009073; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLQFvq008792 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002122721260900300lonpre>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:26:09 +0000 Message-ID: <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:29:35 -0600 Status: RO Ok, what period would these shoes be _closest_ to? http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod6440303&pare ntId=cat2810736 Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes Not all ermine spots are created equally _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 16:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23795 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLn2i1005723; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLn0vq017054; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium.btinternet.com (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRLmcvq016880 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-20-75.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.20.75] helo=dan) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18S2LN-0003GS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c2adf2$45af4340$4b1423d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:52:37 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Well, today was the first day of Liberty's and John Lewis' sale, and since I had some gift vouchers burning a hole in the bottom of my wallet, naturally I had to save myself the cost of a new wallet. So I scored some really rather nice cotton/viscose/wool velvet, in shades of bronze and gold and a pattern acceptable from about late 15th century, and some ivory dupion with bands of ivory embroidery, both from the furnishing rather than dress fabric range at John Lewis. Liberty's had their duchesse satin at half price, so I got 1.5 meters in silver, and 1.3 metres of a satinbacked crepe, ditto. Alas, this came to rather more than my vouchers, so I think I had better go on a fabric diet. Does anyone know of one which actually works? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23859 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:07:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRM72i1006863; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRM70vq023094; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRM6evq022967 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:06:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [206.124.3.186] (p26.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.186]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15137 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:01:30 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:40:56 -0700 Status: RO on 12/27/02 2:29 PM, chiara at chiara@io.com wrote: > http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod6440303&pare > ntId=cat2810736 Victorian although the heel is too high and narrow. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23889 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMG2i1007336; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMG1vq026431; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMF0vq026016 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27012 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-Reply-To: <005001c2adf2$45af4340$4b1423d9@dan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Alas, this came to rather more than my vouchers, so I think I had > better go on a fabric diet. Does anyone know of one which actually > works? As any nutritionist can tell you, no diet works very well (with lasting results) unless you couple it with exercise. So, if you want to keep your fabric stash to a manageable size, it's not enough just to reduce intake; you also have to get busy and sew some of the stuff up. Now if I could only listen to my own advice... --Robin, sitting on too many pounds, um, yards _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23905 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:19:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMJ1i1007516; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMJ0vq027440; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMIcvq027308 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002122722183200300lptobe>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <01a501c2adf6$61c6e520$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:19:41 -0600 Status: RO Sigh, that is what I was afraid of, the price was right but the heel just did not look right. I was thinking of gifting it to someone. Oh well. Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes Not all ermine spots are created equally ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes > on 12/27/02 2:29 PM, chiara at chiara@io.com wrote: > > > http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod6440303&pare > > ntId=cat2810736 > > Victorian although the heel is too high and narrow. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23917 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:23:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMN2i1007659; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMN1vq028781; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMM9vq028497 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7S008JYTXLD0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes In-reply-to: <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:08:57 -0800 Status: RO >Ok, what period would these shoes be _closest_ to? > >http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod6440303&parentId=cat2810736 Modern. They're not tall enough to be late-Victorian/Edwardian, nor low enough to be 'hoop-skirt' mid-Victorian. And the heel is a combination of too high and too spindly to be anything but modern. (Your feet will thank you if you can find 1-inch, or lower, heels.) The fake-o-Victorian boots they sell to brides are a good bet for shape, and will probably be cheaper. If they are cloth covered, they can be dyed any colour you need, possibly thru the shop you buy them at. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23925 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMN9i1007669; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMN8vq028828; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMM9vs028497 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7S008JYTXLD0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <005001c2adf2$45af4340$4b1423d9@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227141444.04d2e960@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:17:34 -0800 Status: RO >Alas, this came to rather more than my vouchers, so I think I had >better go on a fabric diet. Does anyone know of one which actually >works? Yes, but you gain weight - get pregnant several times and have many small children. Suddenly you can't get out to buy fabric, nor do you have time to sew. The other cure is to have your house burn down. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 17:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23974 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMa2i1008285; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMa1vq003124; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRMZLvq002889 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from host-66-81-243-115.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.115] helo=[66.81.243.219]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18S34Z-0001gq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:35:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20021226135728.0086abf0@pop.directcon.net> <3E0B94B2.AED8C638@in-tch.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:33:01 -0800 Status: RO An Ott Lite portable lamp (from my "honorary family," whom I've spent Christmas with for the last 20 years or so). Since I have a tendency to do itty bitty knitting and embroidery projects, and also have middle-aged eyes, this will help tremendously in badly-lit rooms, on dark days, et cetera. (Memo to self: Self, don't try beading on dark blue velveteen again without the Ott Lite!) _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 18:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24072 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:07:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRN71i1009786; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRN70vq013684; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRN6evq013516 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:06:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-013casfrmp007.dialsprint.net ([158.252.217.9]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18S3Ys-0005SR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:06:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:07:07 -0800 Status: RO From: Chris Laning >An Ott Lite portable lamp (from my "honorary family," whom I've spent >Christmas with for the last 20 years or so). Since I have a tendency >to do itty bitty knitting and embroidery projects, and also have >middle-aged eyes, this will help tremendously in badly-lit rooms, on >dark days, et cetera. (Memo to self: Self, don't try beading on dark >blue velveteen again without the Ott Lite!) I bought myself one of the folding/portable Ott Lites about 1-1/2 years ago when i found them on sale and was just getting into more complex forms of embroidery. My only complaint is that there isn't a battery powered version that i can take it travelling with me and use anywhere (like camping :-) I do have a question, though. Is the one with an attached magnifier good or is it better to have an independent magnifier? I'm near-sighted, but with age i can no longer focus on things 2 inches away from my eyes :-( Now i must hold them out about 8 inches away!! And i do some tiny things, so i am now experimenting with magnifiers for some of the fine embroidery. It's a new for me, so i'm wondering about the built in kind... Note the kind that stands like a regular floor lamp would not be useful to me, since i don't have couches or chairs (except for the one that rolls between my computer and my sewing machine). I sit on the floor and put the Ott Lite practically in my lap :-) Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 18:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24100 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRNG7i1010140; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRNG1vq016636; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBRNF3vq016295 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021227231458.OQKX4411.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:14:58 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] shoes Message-ID: <000001c2adbd$e61894b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:37:38 -0500 Status: RO Ok, I had to go look at the shoes... pretty! For some reason I took a look at the sizes offered, and noticed that they have a size 10, 10.2 and 10.5. What is a size 10.2? Thanks! Linda From: h-costume-admin@indra.com On Behalf Of chiara Subject: [h-cost] shoes Ok, what period would these shoes be _closest_ to? http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod6440303& parentId=cat2810736 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 19:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24410 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS0p2i1013977; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS0p0vq014262; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS0oAvq014054 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:50:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gBS0o9W57371 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] suggestions, please (was "christmas") Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:50:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO The only thing vaguely costume-related that I got was from my boyfriend's not-quite-clueless mother, who got me two miniature dress forms. They're supposed to look arty and old-fashioned, but don't quite pull it off. However, when I was taking a draping class, we worked a little with half-scale dress forms, and I really liked the convenience of doing a doll-sized mock-up to get a quick view of what any given design would look like. Neither of the little dress forms are remotely anatomically correct, but I'm wondering if it would work to draft a sloper to my measurements (without ease), reduce it by 75% (or whatever to get it close to the correct size) and make it up in muslin and stuff it, as with the various body double dress forms. Has anybody tried such a thing? With two, I could even have one corseted, one loose.... Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 20:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24444 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS121i1014369; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS120vq017451; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.adelphia.net (mta5.mail.adelphia.net [64.8.50.187] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS110vq017193 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.255] by mta5.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.25 201-253-122-126-125-20021216) with ESMTP id <20021228005636.QSGC16199.mta5.adelphia.net@[68.65.178.255]> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:56:36 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's Christmas Stash From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021227182101.2489.41432.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:00:54 -0500 Status: RO > rectangle); I think the style is called a 'happi' jacket in the book I > have on how to make your own Japanese clothes. (happy smile) I really > like the way it turned out, and am contemplating going back next payday > for some actual silk dupioni they had in stock, and making another one. I > have one of these in a peacock blue/black dupioni, and it looks really > nice worn over anything from the standard little black dress to blue > jeans. > > So that fabric didn't even have a _chance_ to dive into my stack and hide > itself! I've been working on reducing the stash, but somehow it never > seems to get any smaller... > > -- Mara i'm not sure what your local jo-annes is selling dupione for, but you may want to look here first: http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-silk s-promotionally-priced-silk-dupioni.html please note that the width is 54" wide. laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 20:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24469 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:12:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1C2i1014809; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1C0vq019973; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBS1Buvq019956 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:11:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021228011156.25074.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.244] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:11:56 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] embroidery question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:11:56 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I am way behind on reading my list so this is probably off topic but can someone tell me, off-list so I'll get it, what kind of embroidery would be used for the designs in Needlework Patterns from Renaissance Germany designs recharted from a 1597 German needlework book. I realize that counted cross stitch is not period but I could use help with what stitches would be used and where they would be used in these designs. Some of the designs look like I could use darned work, maybe counted satin stitch but I am way out of my usual period with these designs. Thanks. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 20:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24602 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1l1i1016123; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1l0vq028353; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f184.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1kWvq028169 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:46:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:46:27 -0800 Received: from 208.141.166.54 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:46:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.166.54] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2002 01:46:27.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFE26070:01C2AE12] Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Patterns From Butterick Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:46:27 -0700 Status: RO I took a look at the new patterns Butterick has out while I was there this afternoon... I don't consider them to be much better than anything else Butterick has done in the last 100 years. As "costume" level stuff (Halloweeny) they work alright, but for anything more detailed, they leave a lot to be desired, IMO. The Simplicity Martha McCain series are MUCH better, though they're only women's things. I like the styles they're doing (Butterick), but the quality of the cut is pretty poor, and very modern. And, there's no understructure to anything! The addition of good understructure, tailoring, and support details would go a long way to making things look more period, especially on the "Gibson" dress... does the model OWN a waist?? Can we build one for her? LOL Past Patterns has some early 1800's things out for men and women just now... REALLY cool looking, though I can't wear early 1800 things without looking like the prow of a ship. Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 20:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24613 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:50:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1o0i1016221; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1o0vq029009; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS1n6vq028823 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip175.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.175]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBS1n411013835 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:49:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021227204055.00acbba0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> References: <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:45:45 -0500 Status: RO At 02:08 PM 12/27/2002 -0800, you wrote: >The fake-o-Victorian boots they sell to brides are a good bet for shape, >and will probably be cheaper. If they are cloth covered, they can be dyed >any colour you need, possibly thru the shop you buy them at. Like these? (modern bridal boots) http://www.westernweddingboots.com/swdshop/agora.cgi?&cart_id=&p_id=0045 http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-and-b-studios/shoeslacupbr.html I've also had fairly good luck finding this type of shoe on Ebay by searching for 'granny boots'. For a more 'period' mid-19th c. woman's shoe, try this: http://www.fugawee.com/CW%20Women's.htm I'm very happy that they finally have the "Stella" in stock! I saw a prototype at Abraham's Lady in G'Burg this summer, and have been wanting a pair ever since. I think they'd work for earlier periods as well (which is why I want a pair), since they don't have those speedy-lace hooks. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 21:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24686 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS2h6i1017984; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:43:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS2h0vq011881; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21406.mail.yahoo.com (web21406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.76]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBS2gEvq011671 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:42:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.229.156.243] by web21406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:42:13 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021227141444.04d2e960@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:42:13 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Katya wrote: > Yes, but you gain weight - get pregnant several > times and have many small > children. Suddenly you can't get out to buy fabric, > nor do you have time > to sew. The other cure is to have your house burn > down. \ But Katya! The house one is only temporary too....friends bring you fabric to help replace your lost stash and then it grows!!!! VOE, Angharat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 22:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24718 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS332i1018630; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS331vq016346; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS32Lvq016158 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:02:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (octy2082.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.233.82]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS32Rkb013463 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:02:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:06:13 -0500 Status: RO > My 4th son, is a theater tech. He dates girls who are in the dept. or he > recruits them to work on shows before he will date them. Then he brings > them home and shows off all my goodies... like my antique fans. > > #4 son came in and started teaching her how to sew on the > machine. I almost fell out of my chair. I asked him... where did he learn > to sew on a machine. He said, "Mom, I have been awarded Theatre Tech of the > Year for the past two years. I sew the costumes for the shows!!!" Hi, Penny. From the perspective of the Theater business for over 25 years, I am so glad to hear that. One of my jokes about myself (and I have many) is that the only time that I made the papers as a Stagehand was the year that I had to bring one of my machines in to sew some chiffon curtains for the Miss America Pageant. There I am, half page color photo in the Region section, diligently sewing pink chiffon. I am always doing all of the butch, macho stuff (climbing, rigging, pushing, lifting, etc.) any other time and, of course I got ribbing from the other guys, whereupon I said "well, a sewing machine is one piece of mechanical equipment that I know how to operate, repair and maintain, and you don't, so when the work comes around, I'll get the work and you won't". It paid off on a number of shows in the days before we merged with a Wardrobe Local, where I was Head of Department for Wardrobe or Dressers. Both of my sons are learning handsewing (from their mom, a much more competent handsewer than I), and some day they will learn the machines from both of us. I hope your son continues on his path, because our job as Stagehands is to recreate reality, and the more tools he has, the better his chances will be to widen his horizons. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 22:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24723 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:07:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS371i1018732; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS370vq017235; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (gtwy.nap.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS36tvq017197 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:06:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from there (d60-99-237.try.wideopenwest.com [65.60.237.99]) by pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBS36q609467 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:06:52 -0600 Message-Id: <200212280306.gBS36q609467@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michelle Plumb To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Veiling question. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:07:11 -0500 Status: RO Hello, all. I was reading the Oxford Illustrated History of the Crusades last night, and came across a portrait of Caterina Cornaro by Gentile Bellini. I found the portrait on the web. It's the first painting: http://studentwebs.coloradocollege.edu/~s_santos/art2/renaissance_portraiture.htm I'm puzzled by the veiling that partially covers her face. It appears to consist of several layers, one of which includes a pearl pendant suspended from chin level. Is the veiling accurate, or artistic license? Thanks, and Happy New Year! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Dec 27 23:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24904 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:41:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS4f3i1021669; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS4f1vq007547; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21303.mail.yahoo.com (web21303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBS4epvq007501 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:40:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021228044051.35162.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.104.253] by web21303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:40:51 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021222040413.51469.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] exhibition at Windsor Castle Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:40:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Does anyone have any information regarding this exhibition in the Drawings Gallery at Windsor Castle? "An exhibition on Elizabeth I will take place from 7 February 2003 to mark the quatercentenary of Queen Elizabeth I's death." Also, there is an extra DVD with the Elizabeth R set which has a documentary from the A&E channel about Elizabeth which shows 2 portraits of her as a small child as well as one of Jane Grey. The two portraits of Elizabeth are maybe age 5 or 6 and then somewhat older; the one of Jane has a small spray of violets(?) tucked in her bodice. She has dark hair and eyes, a black partlet and a blackworked collar that stands up and curves away from her face and neck--similar to this one: http://tudorhistory.org/mary/queenmary2.jpg I've never seen any of the three portraits prior to watching this DVD. Has anyone else ever seen them and are they on display somewhere?? kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 00:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24954 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:12:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS5C2i1022583; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS5C1vq014469; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS5BYvq014347 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:11:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.cf.20abe664 (4394) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.20abe664.2b3e8c7b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:11:23 EST Status: RO --part1_cf.20abe664.2b3e8c7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/27/2002 5:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > no diet works very well (with lasting > results) unless you couple it with exercise. So, if you want to keep your > fabric stash to a manageable size, it's not enough just to reduce intake; > you also have to get busy and sew some of the stuff up. > > I concur. I'm making a concerted effort to use things I already have--sometimes in ways I had not originally intended. (A contemporary wool skirt, already cut out, became a spencer, for example. I'm pleased as punch with it.) I just came across a term for making do with what you have--"bricolage." I like to think that is what I'm doing. I'm trying not to buy much of anything but maybe thread, buttons, or interfacings. I have also culled my fabric and given some away and may do more this spring. I know, for example, that I will never go back to making lingerie again, so need to dump all the tricot. Ditto with activewear, although I DO have 2 granddaughters now, who may need leotards and such someday. I still buy occasionally, but am getting better. I enjoy the creativity required when making use of things I already have. This often consists of combining different fabrics and trims in ways not originally intended, and I get a real sense of satisfaction from the finished results. I have to admit, the offerings of the run-of-the-mill fabric store are getting less appealing. I did buy a remnant during the latest G Street sale (a waistcoat for my husband), and I haven't been to Exquisite Fabrics, which is in downtown DC and lives up to its name, in nearly 2 years. But it is getting to be the case where I see a fabric and think, I have something similar at home already, so why bother? (I'm also often doing this with ready-to-wear--talk myself right out of buying something.) Ann Wass --part1_cf.20abe664.2b3e8c7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/27/2002 5:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes:


no diet works very well (with lasting
results) unless you couple it with exercise. So, if you want to keep your
fabric stash to a manageable size, it's not enough just to reduce intake;
you also have to get busy and sew some of the stuff up.



I concur.  I'm making a concerted effort to use things I already have--sometimes in ways I had not originally intended.  (A contemporary wool skirt, already cut out, became a spencer, for example.  I'm pleased as punch with it.)  I just came across a term for making do with what you have--"bricolage."  I like to think that is what I'm doing.  I'm trying not to buy much of anything but maybe thread, buttons, or interfacings. 

I have also culled my fabric and given some away and may do more this spring.  I know, for example, that I will never go back to making lingerie again, so need to dump all the tricot.  Ditto with activewear, although I DO have 2 granddaughters now, who may need leotards and such someday.

I still buy occasionally, but am getting better.  I enjoy the creativity required when making use of things I already have.  This often consists of combining different fabrics and trims in ways not originally intended, and I get a real sense of satisfaction from the finished results.

I have to admit, the offerings of the run-of-the-mill fabric store are getting less appealing.  I did buy a remnant during the latest G Street sale (a waistcoat for my husband), and I haven't been to Exquisite Fabrics, which is in downtown DC and lives up to its name, in nearly 2 years.  But it is getting to be the case where I see a fabric and think, I have something similar at home already, so why bother?  (I'm also often doing this with ready-to-wear--talk myself right out of buying something.)

Ann Wass

 --part1_cf.20abe664.2b3e8c7b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 00:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24972 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS5K1i1022814; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS5K0vq016224; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBS5J9vq016054 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-45-130.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.45.130 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 05:19:09 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c2ae30$aaff3370$822daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226193525.00adc690@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:19:16 -0800 Status: RO I got a Uniquely You dress form! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do, chapels had been churches, and poor men's cottages princes' palaces." The Merchant of Venice, I, ii - William Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > At Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:57:28 -0800, Margo Anderson asked: > > >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? > > As usual, nothing. Most of my sewing and costuming stuff I buy myself on > odd trips to fabric stores, bookstores, and online. Most of my > sewing/costuming stuff is the sort of thing that family and friends > wouldn't know what to pick up (and would tend to pick up something > absolutely dreadful and/or unusable), so it's rather better that I do the > purchasing myself. > > >I got the Elizabeth R series on DVD, the Shakespeare in Love DVD, and a > >Dover Tudor and Elizabethan Fashions coloring book. > > Really kewl. There's some nice extras on the Elizabeth R DVD you'll want to > look at (some photos of the costuming process, and Glenda Jackson's > recollections of the same). Did you get the regular Shakespeare in Love or > the Collector's Edition? I got the regular one and then three months or so > later saw there was a Collector's Edition with lots more extras and > interesting stuff... but I couldn't bring myself to spend the extra money > for another copy of a flick I already *had* a copy of. > > >Oh, and I got the Irish Princess Barbie! I'm not usually a Barbie fan, but > >I fell in love with this one and visited her every time we went to K-mart, > >so my 6 year old decided I must have her. > > Sounds *cute* :) > > I got a new hard drive for my notebook -- I guess that *sort of* remotely > relates to sewing/costuming, as I need more hard drive space to store my > stash database and garb photos. I also got several Cherished Teddies > figurines for my collection, some earphones I've been looking to get since > November, and a passel of teddy bears for my hug... > > What I really need for Christmas is some *time* to work on next year's > projects! > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 01:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25051 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:04:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS632i1023959; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS630vq025570; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS62rvq025540 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AE8C705F004A; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:02:52 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE8D9CD012C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:02:53 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c2ae36$ce822d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228044051.35162.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] exhibition at Windsor Castle X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:03:10 -0500 Status: RO There is also a very lengthy series from the History Channel about Elizabeth I. I see if airing frequently. Is that the one you are talking about? I taped it when it aired the first time. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 01:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25084 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:22:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6M2i1024416; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6M1vq029470; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6LLvq029373 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A2E028630068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:21:20 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2D0769010A; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:21:04 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c2ae39$58e27440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:21:24 -0500 Status: RO Mike, My son is a hot ticket as a techie. Local events hire him all the time to work lighting and sound (L&S) or setup and tear down. He worked as an apprentice at one of the balls I went to. The union guys came to him asking how to do things. While working this job, the owner of the big L&S company for rock concerts offered him a job. The union guys told him to not join the union because my son can make more money as a private contractor. Right now, in high school, he makes $10-15 an hour to do S&L when working the choir concerts and such at the school. He also does S&L for a local church making the same wage. Next year, he will be a senior and go to a half day tech school to do an apprenticeship in electricity. Currently, he has two theater production classes in school. In one he is the teacher's aid. He has done this for two years. His instructors are always looking out to get him jobs. He makes more in one day doing L&S than he did when he worked at a supermarket all week. BTW, I found out that my son's school is teaching Home Ec. and sewing again!!!!!! As for your press coverage... Congrads!!! It is so funny what journalist choose to write about. My sister did makeup for a Lee Greenwood benefit concert and got into people magazine for it. Who would have thought of it!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 01:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25097 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:36:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6a1i1025006; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6a0vq003433; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6Zjvq003379 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A641BB3F00F0; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:35:45 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A6409FD012C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:35:44 -0600 Message-ID: <005901c2ae3b$6621f480$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021227163224.30595.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] RE: Valmont Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:36:03 -0500 Status: RO Angharat, I saw Valmont for the first time over the holidays. It was on TV. I loved the costumes especially the embroidery on the menswear. I was so excited about the costumes I called Janice Ryan and discussed them... one gown with balloon shaped sleeves really bothered me. Janice said that none of the ladies costumes were accurate but the menswear was well done. She said Dangerous Liaisons was more accurate and that she liked the story better. I have never made it through DL without falling a sleep, but I watched Valmont twice with back-to-back showings on TV. I would love to watch the video... I am sure TV cut it the film to pieces with all the sex scenes. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 01:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25125 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6n2i1025321; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6n1vq005953; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6m0vq005773 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A91FBEC200F0; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:47:59 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A920D080120; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:48:00 -0600 Message-ID: <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:48:20 -0500 Status: RO Theresa, You will gather the books over time. Watch eBay... especially auctions that end late at night or on weekends and you can pick up some good deals. B&N stores is also a place to watch the clearance racks. I hate paying full price for any book. In five years I have accumatled a lot. Most of mine are antique magazines and books. Only three more years and the boys will be gone... then I can takeover their big bedroom with all the built-in bookcases. I have all ready moved in some archives to one wall of shelves in the room. (No, my teenage boys aren't happy about that) In my office, the books and magazines have taken over in my office and the hallway. Off to look for a bundle of magazines that I have lost in my office. I need a recovery team. Any volunteers??????? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 01:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25144 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6r1i1025411; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6r0vq006629; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBS6qkvq006598 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:52:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021228065246.9846.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:52:46 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Veiling question. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200212280306.gBS36q609467@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:52:46 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Michelle Plumb wrote: > Hello, all. > > I was reading the Oxford Illustrated History of the > Crusades last night, and > came across a portrait of Caterina Cornaro by > Gentile Bellini. > > I found the portrait on the web. It's the first > painting: > > http://studentwebs.coloradocollege.edu/~s_santos/art2/renaissance_portraiture.htm > > I'm puzzled by the veiling that partially covers her > face. It appears to > consist of several layers, one of which includes a > pearl pendant suspended > from chin level. > > Is the veiling accurate, or artistic license? Well, while I can't say that I *know* for certain, what is known is that Gentile Bellini was a well-respected Venetian painter, and Queen Caterina Cornaro was more than likely seen by Bellini with his own eyes and this was more than likely painted from life, rather than from another painting, like that of Cornaro by Titian. In my estimation this is an accurate rendition of the Queen's veiling. Bella http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25165 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS703i1025561; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS701vq007837; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS6xOvq007685 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ABCB2F110068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:59:23 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ABCCA23012C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:59:24 -0600 Message-ID: <008501c2ae3e$b3a16760$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:59:43 -0500 Status: RO Anahita, We had a discussion about this last summer on h-needlework. The best suggestion was to purchase some strong reading eyeglasses that you see at the drug stores. I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big framed glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked great. Now with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used up my close vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from going on marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I meet you all) I keep wondering why Bjarne's vision hasn't gone with all the fine needlework and lacemaking he does... especially the lacemaking. Somehow I think I need to send Bjarne some eyeglasses to make me feel better. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29304 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7B2i1025820; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7B1vq010067; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7ABvq009878 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AE52CB9300F0; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:10:10 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE53A39012C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:10:11 -0600 Message-ID: <008c01c2ae40$35380940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:10:30 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, I did the majority of my sewing when my kids were toddlers and babies... I had toddlers and babies in the house for 15 years. I could put a needle in the arm of a chair and my kids would never touch it. I just taught them not to touch it. They loved to play with the pin cushions and button boxes. I made all of my first four sons clothes plus mine. I did tons of needlework when the boys were little. My house is fully decorated in it. After they started school, I tired of making boys clothes and moved on to quilts and ceramics. Now that the boys are older, I spend more time chauffeuring them around and have less time to sew. Another idea for those with small children is to teach them to do stitching on plastic canvas. They will love that they can make something! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31703 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7G1i1025958; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7G0vq010869; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7FXvq010783 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7T00EXIITVWS@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question In-reply-to: <20021228011156.25074.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227220543.050ce1a0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:07:11 -0800 Status: RO >I realize that counted cross stitch >is not period If you're talking SCA, we've been thru this before on this list - yes it is, in some countries during some parts of "period". Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31732 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7G4i1025970; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7G3vq010882; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7FYvq010794 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7T00EXIITVWS@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021227204055.00acbba0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227220911.050ceae0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:09:20 -0800 Status: RO >http://www.westernweddingboots.com/swdshop/agora.cgi?&cart_id=&p_id=0045 >http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-and-b-studios/shoeslacupbr.html > >I've also had fairly good luck finding this type of shoe on Ebay by >searching for 'granny boots'. > >For a more 'period' mid-19th c. woman's shoe, try this: >http://www.fugawee.com/CW%20Women's.htm > >I'm very happy that they finally have the "Stella" in stock! I saw a >prototype at Abraham's Lady in G'Burg this summer, and have been wanting a >pair ever since. I think they'd work for earlier periods as well (which >is why I want a pair), since they don't have those speedy-lace hooks. > >-- Mara > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31786 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:17:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7GAi1025980; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7G9vq010917; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7FZvq010801 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:15:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7T00EXIITVWS@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021227204055.00acbba0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> <017801c2adef$101adc60$31baee0c@c59303a> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:10:20 -0800 Status: RO >http://www.westernweddingboots.com/swdshop/agora.cgi?&cart_id=&p_id=0045 Pretty good. Nice heel. >http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-and-b-studios/shoeslacupbr.html Pretty good. Not so good heel, and lose the ribbon laces. >http://www.fugawee.com/CW%20Women's.htm Yes. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 02:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31790 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7GEi1025999; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7GDvq010938; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS7Favq010808 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7T00EXIITVWS@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021227221039.050b5b40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021227141444.04d2e960@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:10:56 -0800 Status: RO >The other cure is to have your house burn > > down. >\ > >But Katya! The house one is only temporary >too....friends bring you fabric to help replace your >lost stash and then it grows!!!! Just like any other diet... Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 03:22:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24675 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:22:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS8M2i1027367; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS8M0vq022491; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS8LXvq022420 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:21:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS8Ncmm023341 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:23:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0D5F61.3090406@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:22:57 -0800 Status: RO To Penny- Thank you for the invaluable tips about accruing books for the library. I tend to be impatient, or get excited about a new book, and fork over the full price too willingly. And, boy, do they conquer territory easily - I've already purged all the music books I owned and am now working on craft books but they still demand more space!! Ah well, the joy is as much in the hunt as the capture, so I'll work at becoming more penurious about the new stuff!! Theresa Eacker Penny Ladnier wrote: > Theresa, > > You will gather the books over time. Watch eBay... especially auctions that > end late at night or on weekends and you can pick up some good deals. B&N > stores is also a place to watch the clearance racks. I hate paying full > price for any book. > > In five years I have accumatled a lot. Most of mine are antique magazines > and books. Only three more years and the boys will be gone... then I can > takeover their big bedroom with all the built-in bookcases. I have all > ready moved in some archives to one wall of shelves in the room. (No, my > teenage boys aren't happy about that) In my office, the books and magazines > have taken over in my office and the hallway. > > Off to look for a bundle of magazines that I have lost in my office. I need > a recovery team. Any volunteers??????? > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > http://www.onlinecostumeball.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 04:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08766 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:23:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS9N2i1028457; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS9N0vq002574; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBS9Mcvq002485 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD5D53F40068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:22:37 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD5FA9A012C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:22:39 -0600 Message-ID: <00ca01c2ae52$b53fbe00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D5F61.3090406@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:22:56 -0500 Status: RO Teresa, Your welcome! Here is another tip... I used to pay full price, then I discovered I could buy brand new books in the used book section at amazon.com at a much lower price. Every book I have purchased there has been in *new* condition. My husband purchases his college textbooks through the used books at amazon too. They are a lot cheaper than the university bookstore. I look at it this way... I can purchase several books at discount instead of one or two new books at full retail price. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 06:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04459 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSB44i1000834; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSB40vq018217; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSB35vq018096 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7T00CNJTD4DN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:03:05 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <008c01c2ae40$35380940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:45:21 -0800 Status: RO >I did the majority of my sewing when my kids were toddlers and babies... I >had toddlers and babies in the house for 15 years. I was pretty much limited to embroidering once I started having kids. I could only actually sew when they were both asleep. The almost-19-year-old made it a point to never learn to sew, but the other one is turning into a costumer, living history participant, and doll-maker, like me. >They loved to play with the pin cushions and button boxes. I let the kid I babysit play with my buttons and larger, strung, beads, as a reward. She's 4 and loves it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 07:57:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04675 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSCv4i1003016; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSCv1vq008603; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSCurvq008561 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:56:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10959 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 12:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.45]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.2) with SMTP for ; 28 Dec 2002 12:56:52 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c2ae70$ab2516e0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> <002d01c2ae39$58e27440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:57:24 -0500 Status: RO From: "Penny Ladnier" <> My son is a hot ticket as a techie. (snipped) > BTW, I found out that my son's school is teaching Home Ec. and sewing again!!!!!! And in NY, Gov. Pataki and Ed Commissioner Mills are going to start having "hearings" about whether occupational skills such as Home Ec, Technology, etc,, really advance our "standards" or whether they could be eliminated from an overcrowded curriculum. Right now, half a year or 30 weeks of them is mandatory in somewhere between 5th to 8th grade. And I just bought a house this year- this is such a wonderful Christmas present to all of us... Cross your fingers for all of us who truly love teaching these skills. Most of you realize that kids don't even get cooking or nutrition from _most_ parents, much less how to care for their clothing, and people who don't sew don't teach clothing repair sewing, much less the It IS Fun To Make Things sewing! Our motto is that Home Ec - called Family & Consumer Skills now - is where Academics and Real Life Meet. Pataki tried to eliminate them before - he stands a real chance of doing so in a tight budget year like next year will be. We have a real challenge to try to convince everyone that we are worth the expense of the course. Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 10:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05170 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:37:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSFb4i1006848; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSFb1vq005364; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSFaZvq005270 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.1.86]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228153632.JPHB21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:36:32 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008501c2ae3e$b3a16760$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:12 +0000 Status: RO > I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big framed > glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked > great. Now > with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used up my > close > vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from going on > marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I meet you > all) Penny, Do you use the bifocals to sew with all the time?How do they help you in everyday senarios? My vision has been/is changing over the past couple of years and I find myself ripping off my specs to sew and having to put them on if checking something at a distance.What is driving me nuts are the few 'minutes' - probably only seconds, its taking to focus when I change the visual range.I have no problem sitting for hours sewing by hand without my glasses. My Optician isn't keen to get me set-up with bifocals as yet since the 'readings' are so slight compared with the average sight.(Having found this a bit dangerous when rushing down stairs in public/areas I'm not familiar with due to the lack of speed with which my vision adjusts,I am concerned.) Regards, Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 11:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05316 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:33:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSGVCi1008478; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:31:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSGV6vq016401; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSGUOvq016202 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a257.in-tch.com [66.62.107.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBSGE5P05453 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:14:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0DD1BE.3C34716@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:30:54 -0700 Status: RO Funny, how these skills and interests sometimes come from environment, and sometimes don't. My mom was a bit artistic (minored in Art in college, but did oil and water paintings), but would only sew under extreme duress. Me? from the time I was a toddler, I loved to "make" things. Learned embroidery and sewing fundamentals in Girl Scouts and 4-H, of all things! I apparently inherited the need to work with my hands, and the knack to do it, from my maternal grandfather's family (who were weavers, although he also did woodworking and such), and from my great-grandmother, who was crocheting and knitting into her 90s. I would have loved to have a child to share this with..... --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I did the majority of my sewing when my kids were toddlers and babies... I > >had toddlers and babies in the house for 15 years. > > I was pretty much limited to embroidering once I started having kids. I > could only actually sew when they were both asleep. The almost-19-year-old > made it a point to never learn to sew, but the other one is turning into a > costumer, living history participant, and doll-maker, like me. > > >They loved to play with the pin cushions and button boxes. > > I let the kid I babysit play with my buttons and larger, strung, beads, as > a reward. She's 4 and loves it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05754 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSI61i1011185; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSI602X007713; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSI5q2X007669 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:05:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSIaKaB001634; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:36:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBSIaKwo001632; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:36:20 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212281336.20239.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSI5q2X007669 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:36:20 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 01:48 am, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Theresa, > > You will gather the books over time. Watch eBay... especially auctions > that end late at night or on weekends and you can pick up some good deals. > B&N stores is also a place to watch the clearance racks. I hate paying > full price for any book. Ditto. I have also had good luck finding useful stuff on B&N on line. > > In five years I have accumatled a lot. Most of mine are antique magazines > and books. Only three more years and the boys will be gone... then I can > takeover their big bedroom with all the built-in bookcases. Ummm....built-in bookcases. We have two walls in our basement devoted to built-in bookcases, and it still isn't enough. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05775 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIJ1i1011515; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIJ02X010421; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSII82X010261 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:18:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-0-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.0.22] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18SLXD-0006dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:18:07 +0000 Message-ID: <021901c2ae9e$086381c0$160027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:22:08 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05785 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:24:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIM0i1011695; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIM02X011103; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSILR2X011007 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:21:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBSILHxB038599 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212281821.gBSILHxB038599@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Stevie Gamble" at Dec 28, 2002 06:22:08 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Oh god yes. I've been dying to know this too, since I scored a bunch of wonderful crepe online. .heather. > > Hi all, > > I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't > the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in > western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05800 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIV1i1012036; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIV02X013204; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIU22X013007 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8771 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO livingroom) ([170.215.239.82]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.2) with SMTP for ; 28 Dec 2002 18:30:01 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c2ae9f$22006700$01fea8c0@livingroom> From: "Lyn Greaves- home" To: References: <200212281821.gBSILHxB038599@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:30:01 -0500 Status: RO OK, you know that you aren't awake yet when "date crepe introduced?" doesn't make you think of fabric. . . . and you wonder why on EARTH they are talking about crimes on the h-costume list. . . Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton COM, COTerpsichore, COSalamander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? > Oh god yes. I've been dying to know this too, since I scored a > bunch of wonderful crepe online. > > ..heather. > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't > > the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in > > western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05849 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:42:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIe1i1012299; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIe02X015208; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSId82X014915 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmZkZKvLLDLDsGg3gJk9jcYdVVG9kGfHEQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL5V4C6K; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:38:54 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly Message-ID: <20021228.131842.-341327.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:18:42 -0500 Status: RO Sounds like Lyn needs another cup of coffee quick! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 13:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05904 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:57:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIt1i1012885; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIt02X018895; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSIsk2X018830 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.75.5b56dda (17526) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:54:38 EST Status: RO --part1_75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 1:36:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > . Janice said that none of the > ladies costumes were accurate but the menswear was well done. I'm sorry but I think all the costumes in this, for me, clunky movie, were dreadful! The only one I can vaguely remember is a white coat with asymmetrical[!] somethings on it in blue making it resemble blue willow china. He falls out of a boat into a lake, or something, in it. What is it you like about them, again? I must confess here I also hate "Amadeus" as well. Same crew, y'know. I know lots of people like these films but for the life of me I can't get what they see. I've tried [with Amadeus] As far as the designs go, I find many clothes inappropriate for the characters and the others just adequate. I think they both look like high school projects. Whereas "Dangerous Liaisons is cleverly written, well acted and beautiful to behold. It's a gem IMNSHO. I don't mean to upset or degrade anyone who likes these films. To each his own. What interests me is indeed the difference in our views. They're so contrary to one another. Fortunately, there's plenty of film for everyone. --part1_75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 1:36:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes:


.   Janice said that none of the
ladies costumes were accurate but the menswear was well done.


I'm sorry but I think all the costumes in this, for me, clunky movie, were dreadful! The only one I can vaguely remember is a white coat with asymmetrical[!] somethings on it in blue making it resemble blue willow china. He falls out of a boat into a lake, or something, in it. What is it you like about them, again?

I must confess here I also hate "Amadeus" as well. Same crew, y'know. I know lots of people like these films but for the life of me I can't get what they see. I've tried [with Amadeus] As far as the designs go, I find many clothes inappropriate for the characters and the others just adequate. I think they both look like high school projects. Whereas "Dangerous Liaisons is cleverly written, well acted and beautiful to behold. It's a gem IMNSHO.

I don't mean to upset or degrade anyone who likes these films. To each his own. What interests me is indeed the difference in our views. They're so contrary to one another. Fortunately, there's plenty of film for everyone. --part1_75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 14:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05968 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:07:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSJ53i1013323; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSJ522X021210; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSJ4x2X021160 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:04:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmZkZKvLLDLDLTruBcmczdWVTkwbYr4UKQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL5XJ6PS; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:04:27 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont Message-ID: <20021228.134354.-341327.7.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Status: RO Actually, this has nothing to do with Valmont, but an upcoming movie on A & E. I saw a documentary on the making of Benedict Arnold last night and they said that they were trying to get the history and characters and costumes as authentic as possible. The costumes were just flashed on the screen briefly in passing so I am really looking forward to the movie. This is not my period of major interest, but I have a friend who plays music from this period and I have done a couple of gowns for her. I am looking forward to hearing from those of you who specialize in this time frame when the movie airs. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 14:12:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05981 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSJA1i1013541; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSJA12X022329; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf01bis.bellsouth.net (mail301.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSJ9e2X022148 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from sarah ([216.78.20.63]) by imf01bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021228191126.GPJI1385.imf01bis.bellsouth.net@sarah> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:11:26 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2AE7A.A4B71420" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <75.5b56dda.2b3f4d6e@aol.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Amadeus, was RE: RE: Valmont Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:08:49 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2AE7A.A4B71420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I love Amadeus. A lot. I thought the costuming was very well done, but I truly know nothing about that time period, or area, geography wise. So what was wrong with the costuming? :) I'm rather curious now... Apollonia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:55 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont I must confess here I also hate "Amadeus" as well. Same crew, y'know. I know lots of people like these films but for the life of me I can't get what they see. I've tried [with Amadeus] As far as the designs go, I find many clothes inappropriate for the characters and the others just adequate. I think they both look like high school projects. Whereas "Dangerous Liaisons is cleverly written, well acted and beautiful to behold. It's a gem IMNSHO. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2AE7A.A4B71420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, I love Amadeus.  A lot.  I = thought the=20 costuming was very well done, but I truly know nothing about that time = period,=20 or area, geography wise.  So what was wrong with the = costuming? =20 :)  I'm rather curious now...
 
Apollonia
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = h-costume-admin@indra.com=20 [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of=20 AlbertCat@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:55 = PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] = RE:=20 Valmont

I must confess here I also hate "Amadeus" as = well. Same=20 crew, y'know. I know lots of people like these films but for the life = of me I=20 can't get what they see. I've tried [with Amadeus] As far as the = designs go, I=20 find many clothes inappropriate for the characters and the others just = adequate. I think they both look like high school projects. Whereas = "Dangerous=20 Liaisons is cleverly written, well acted and beautiful to behold. It's = a gem=20 IMNSHO.

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2AE7A.A4B71420-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 15:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06200 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:23:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKL2i1016107; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKL02X006749; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKKr2X006722 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:20:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be73.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.115]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 34E47263300 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:20:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c2aeae$f9714dd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amadeus, was RE: RE: Valmont MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AEB7.5A49F640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:23:23 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AEB7.5A49F640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problems with Valmont and Amadeus as well is, that they did not = study the styles well enough, those who made costumes. Valmonts Jackets look very beautifull, and they are made very fine, but = printed fabrics was very rarely used for mens costumes. I think they used these printed fabrics, to spare the time it would take = to decorate them properly with embroidery or lace etc. The baloon sleaves used for a ladys costume was taken from some = allegoral paintings from Boucher, (shepherds costumes) and they were not = known for daily wear. And if you look close, many of the ladies dresses was laced in the = back..........ArGh..... and never used in real life, especially in 18th. = century I think the problem is that those costume designers, has read their = costume history two quickly, and perhaps they are not that particular = with the details as we are. And i have the feeling that they want to = make some of their own idears and bring them into period costumes wich = is very bad.........at least when you want to make a period play. I most welcome if there is a new costume drama on its way, especially = from this period, and it is long time since Dangerous Liasions came out. = I dont think it has ben made better for a long time, and i long for = something new to droll about. The Aristocrats wich were in the television, was also very well made, = and also The mad King George, i enjoyed very much. The swedish television made a costume drama this year about the mariage = of King Gustav III. This was very nice made, with gorgeous costumes and = it is a shame that small production countries dont get their work to a = broader audiense. I dont know if for instance America would bother to se = such a film, from such a small country........... I heard one of the leading danish producers talk about a film projekt = wich was to make a drama of Struensee and Caroline Mathilde. I would die if i could get my hands on those costumes to be made for = such a produktion, mostly because it is the period i love mostly from = 1766 - 1776. Sigh....................... (about an illegitime liasion betwen Queen Caroline Mathilde and Count = Struensee, the Kings doctor) I am very bad, cant keep my nose from the list mail even though i have = so much work to do. I was so foolish to say yes to make a saque dress = for a ball in Sweden january 21. I must have it finished january 14. so that it can be shiped off. = Underskirt almost finished, just have to make the pleated = frills.................... Happy Newyear to you all....................... Love your acquaintance Bjarne=20 =20 Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AEB7.5A49F640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The problems with Valmont and Amadeus = as well is,=20 that they did not study the styles well enough, those who made=20 costumes.
Valmonts Jackets look very beautifull, = and they are=20 made very fine, but printed fabrics was very rarely used for mens=20 costumes.
I think they used these printed = fabrics, to spare=20 the time it would take to decorate them properly with embroidery or lace = etc.
The baloon sleaves used for a ladys = costume was=20 taken from some allegoral paintings from Boucher, (shepherds = costumes) and=20 they were not known for daily wear.
And if you look close, many of the = ladies=20 dresses was laced in the back..........ArGh..... and never used in real = life,=20 especially in 18th. century
I think the problem is that those = costume=20 designers, has read their costume history two quickly, and perhaps they = are not=20 that particular with the details as we are. And i have the feeling that = they=20 want to make some of their own idears and bring them into period = costumes wich=20 is very bad.........at least when you want to make a period = play.
I most welcome if there is a new = costume drama on=20 its way, especially from this period, and it is long time since = Dangerous=20 Liasions came out. I dont think it has ben made better for a long time, = and i=20 long for something new to droll about.
The Aristocrats wich were in the = television, was=20 also very well made, and also The mad King George, i enjoyed very=20 much.
The swedish television made a costume = drama this=20 year about the mariage of King Gustav III. This was very nice made, = with=20 gorgeous costumes and it is a shame that small production countries = dont=20 get their work to a broader audiense. I dont know if for instance = America would=20 bother to se such a film, from such a small = country...........
I heard one of the leading danish = producers talk=20 about a film projekt wich was to make a drama of Struensee and Caroline=20 Mathilde.
I would die if i could get my hands on = those=20 costumes to be made for such a produktion, mostly because it is the = period i=20 love mostly from 1766 - 1776. Sigh.......................
(about an illegitime liasion = betwen Queen=20 Caroline Mathilde and Count Struensee, the Kings doctor)
I am very bad, cant keep my nose from = the list mail=20 even though i have so much work to do. I was so foolish to say yes to = make a=20 saque dress for a ball in Sweden january 21.
I must have it finished january 14. so = that it can=20 be shiped off. Underskirt almost finished, just have to make the pleated = frills....................
 
Happy Newyear to you=20 all.......................
Love = your acquaintance
 
Bjarne 
   
 
 
 
Leif og Bjarne Drews
www.my-drewscostumes.dk
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http://home0.inet.tele.dk/dr= ewscph/
 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AEB7.5A49F640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 15:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06234 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:37:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKZ1i1017300; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKZ02X009690; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKY32X009510 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-102.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.102]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CD019FFC7 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:33:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ur=FBk-hai_costume_LOTR?= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:33:55 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I am looking for good pictures of Urûk-hai from Lord of the Rings. In April there is a Fantasy fair in the Netherlands and my husband is thinking of going as a Urûk-hai. I found this site with pictures http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_bk2/fotr_b2c10_scene2.htm But I am surching for better pictures of what they are wearing. Thanks, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 15:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06272 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:49:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKl2i1018517; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKl12X012341; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSKkH2X012161 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjycGOvvObEige4M8HKkPoM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL55CY6H; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:45:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Message-ID: <20021228.124501.572.14.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:39:15 -0800 Status: RO I have progressive lenses and use them when I embroider. Being as I tend to watch TV and work at the same time, they are lovely. Arlys On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:12 +0000 marcus findlay-arthur writes: > > > I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big > framed > > glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked > > great. Now > > with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used up > my > > close > > vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from > going on > > marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I > meet you > > all) > > Penny, ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 15:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06279 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKn1i1018703; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKn12X012713; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSKm82X012566 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:48:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021228204807.67733.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.225.50.254] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:48:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urûk-hai_costume_LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Deredere, the ultimate web sites are http://www.theonering.net there search for uruk hai in the search box and alleyscratch, I think it is http://www.alleyscratch.com/lotr Not 100% sure about the URL, am still at my parents and on my dad's lappie. Nicole - back in England tomorrow --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for good pictures of Urûk-hai from Lord of the Rings. > In April there is a Fantasy fair in the Netherlands and my husband is > thinking of going as a Urûk-hai. > > I found this site with pictures > http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_bk2/fotr_b2c10_scene2.htm > > But I am surching for better pictures of what they are wearing. > > Thanks, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 15:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06318 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKt2i1019255; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKt12X013973; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKsS2X013858 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be73.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.115]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 405D05EE666 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:54:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c2aeb3$acdeb250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:57:03 +0100 Status: RO Hi. It is rather funny how different we are. Many of you are fabricoholic. I only have 3 fabrics in my stash wich i dont know what to make of right now. This is all i have in store........... I always make the fabric to a costume, just after i baught it........... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets > > On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > > > Alas, this came to rather more than my vouchers, so I think I had > > better go on a fabric diet. Does anyone know of one which actually > > works? > > As any nutritionist can tell you, no diet works very well (with lasting > results) unless you couple it with exercise. So, if you want to keep your > fabric stash to a manageable size, it's not enough just to reduce intake; > you also have to get busy and sew some of the stuff up. > > Now if I could only listen to my own advice... > > --Robin, sitting on too many pounds, um, yards > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 16:02:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06350 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:02:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSL04i1019742; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSL032X014983; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKxt2X014926 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-0-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.0.22] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18SO3m-00007s-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:59:54 +0000 Message-ID: <025401c2aeb4$a2903020$160027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bh-cost=5D_Ur=FBk-hai_costume_LOTR?= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:03:56 -0000 Status: RO Deredere wrote: --------- I am looking for good pictures of Urûk-hai from Lord of the Rings. In April there is a Fantasy fair in the Netherlands and my husband is thinking of going as a Urûk-hai. I found this site with pictures http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_bk2/fo tr_b2c10_scene2.htm But I am surching for better pictures of what they are wearing. -------------------------- Well, you could try: http://www.larp.com/orcs/ which details someone else's efforts at reconstructing the Uruck-hai, but probably the best way to do it is to sit in front of the dvd pausing on the relevant frames. If you don't have it then perhaps your husband could buy it for you on the grounds that it's absolutely vital to making him a costume :-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 16:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06355 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSL41i1019833; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSL412X015751; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSL3L2X015607 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be73.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.115]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ED3375EE8AA for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:03:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c2aeb4$eb79a780$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021228.124501.572.14.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:05:58 +0100 Status: RO Perhaps i should surrender and go to the optical shop. I want some of those progressive lenses two. I cant read without my glasses, and i need them when i sew. The fine Tonder Laces i used to make, is getting more and more difficult for me to cope with, because they are very very fine in pricking, this is the worst of all....... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny > I have progressive lenses and use them when I embroider. Being as I tend > to watch TV and work at the same time, they are lovely. > > Arlys > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:12 +0000 marcus findlay-arthur > writes: > > > > > I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big > > framed > > > glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked > > > great. Now > > > with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used up > > my > > > close > > > vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from > > going on > > > marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I > > meet you > > > all) > > > > Penny, > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 16:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06485 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLZ2i1020644; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLZ12X022233; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLYv2X022205 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:34:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A900D7DA00C6; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:34:56 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A90022D00CA; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:34:56 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c2aeb9$04529920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200212281821.gBSILHxB038599@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:35:17 -0500 Status: RO I checked my books and did not see an exact date. The earliest I have seen is a 1900 wedding dress in a museum. From my Delineator dress fabric descriptions, I have not seen it in the 1890s. I do know by 1920s it was the fabric of choice. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 16:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06504 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:45:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLh1i1020849; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLh02X024059; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSLgX2X023930 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AAC8518B0126; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:42:32 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAC83CD0114; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:42:32 -0600 Message-ID: <002a01c2aeba$13eacbe0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228.134354.-341327.7.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:42:53 -0500 Status: RO Lalah, I am looking forward to seeing the film too. Was the making of the show on A&E? I keep trying to find the show the making of Chicago. I saw it advertised but didn't get the time it would be on. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06626 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM51i1022163; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM502X028706; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM402X028486 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31080 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly In-Reply-To: <001c01c2ae9f$22006700$01fea8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Lyn Greaves- home wrote: > OK, you know that you aren't awake yet when "date crepe introduced?" > doesn't make you think of fabric. . . . and you wonder why on EARTH > they are talking about crimes on the h-costume list. . . And here I was wondering why they were talking about French pancakes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06643 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM71i1022408; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM712X029117; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSM6a2X029027 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSMbBaB002096; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:37:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBSMbBAF002094; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:37:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200212281821.gBSILHxB038599@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <001801c2aeb9$04529920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <001801c2aeb9$04529920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212281737.11170.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSM6a2X029027 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:37:11 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 04:35 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I checked my books and did not see an exact date. The earliest I have seen > is a 1900 wedding dress in a museum. Is that dress wool crepe or silk crepe? -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06695 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:15:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMD1i1022537; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMD02X000638; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMCt2X000618 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A1E65AA10126; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:54 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1E6340015A; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:54 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c2aebe$525de660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> <002d01c2ae39$58e27440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <002601c2ae70$ab2516e0$01fea8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:13:16 -0500 Status: RO Rowena, Strange that your state is trying to push out tech/life skills. My state is trying to push them. I have seen this in the news a lot and they are running commercials on TV. Most of the school systems in our metro have a technical school so kids attend and learn a trade. It has come to the realization that not all kids go to college and someday we will need to replace the baby boomers in the work force. As for the Home Ec. I think it is really important that kids learn these life skills. Not only the sewing but how to cook, etiquette, etc. Most kids are not learning it at home. When my kid's friends come over, they want to stay for dinner because so few of them sit down with a family for dinner. These kids will volunteer to help cook and wash dishes. People would be shocked to see how many of these kids have never done a chore at home. I have been teaching these teenagers how to cook and wash dishes. My children laugh at the teenagers for volunteering. My kids have done chores all their life. Before my kids go to prom, I have an etiquette talk with my sons' dates. Most kids do not know how to tip a waiter, manners when formal dining, how to walk and act in a formal dress. I teach them how to walk up and down stairs in a formal. These were life skills I learned in Home Ec. I have found that kids get scared when they don't know what is expected of them. Someone has to teach them... or one day you might see them falling over their dress at the Oscars. When I was teaching 8th grade computer classes, I taught everyone how to keep up and balance a checking account in Quicken. It wasn't a requirement for the course, but I taught it. By the end of the year, all the students knew how to keep up with a checking account. So I know at least 200 students of this year's high school grads will know how to keep up with a checking account. They were my students! My oldest son is a manager of a Starbucks and hires a lot of young adults. He said they are so lacking in life skills. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06725 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMHCi1022759; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMHB2X001678; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMDo2X000856 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-83-124.client.attbi.com[12.246.83.124]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2002122822134400300lpjale>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:13:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3E0E223C.6010407@fenris.net> From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: pattern junkie Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets References: <001f01c2aeb3$acdeb250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:14:20 -0800 Status: RO I am a pattern junkie. I've got all my sewing stuff in banker's boxes, and of all the categories of boxes that I have (patterns, fabric, notions, etc) the category that is the largest is patterns. Twice as many pattern boxes as fabric boxes. I think I like to potential of patterns. Of course, if I had made up all the patterns I have, there would be no room in my closets. I would also be in debtor's prison from buying all the fabric that would require. Are there large closets in jail? liz Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Hi. >It is rather funny how different we are. Many of you are fabricoholic. >I only have 3 fabrics in my stash wich i dont know what to make of right >now. >This is all i have in store........... >I always make the fabric to a costume, just after i baught it........... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06762 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:29:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMR1i1023158; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMR02X003868; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMQA2X003684 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31161 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:36:31 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:36:31 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Penny and others may be relieved to know that you don't harm your vision from doing needlework or other close work. You might get eyestrain or headaches from too much close work (or computer work, or work in poor light), but you don't damage your eyes. Everyone's eyes start going through changes around age 40, regardless of what you use your eyes for. It's called presbyopia. It causes a form of farsightedness -- that is, you find it easier to see things farther away than close up, which is what makes some people want to hold a newspaper at arm's length. But it's not the same mechanism that causes farsightedness or nearsightedness earlier in life. Those of us who are nearsighted or farsighted since our youth have an overly long or short eyeball, so light coming through the front of the eye reaches its optimal focus point a bit forward or back of the retina instead of directly on it. Glasses can fix that by adding some focusing power before the light comes into the eye; you can do the same with laser surgery on the cornea (the clear dome over the pupil). Presbyopia has to do with changes in the eye's lens, which is inside the eye, and does most of the focusing by bending to give you near and distance vision. The lens gets stiffer with age, making it hard for the lens to bend to the degree it needs for close-up focus. And the aging process causes the lens to change shape more slowly, too, which accounts for the problems Marcus described in the speed of adjustment when you shift vision from far to near and back. It's possible to be both myopic (nearsighted) and presbyopic; I am. In other words, I have trouble seeing both distance and close-up now, without glasses. Sometimes if you're nearsighted, your nearsightedness will cancel out some of the developing farsightedness, but it won't stay that way, as presbyopia worsens through your early 60s or so before stabilizing. I entered Varilux land (progressive lenses) last year, though I had problems earlier than that. Good concept, but I got a bad prescription, and I'll be getting it replaced shortly. I'm still pulling off my glasses to do close work, and my eyes have trouble adjusting to read the numbers on the VCR clock if I'm sewing in front of the TV :-P --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06862 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMc0i1023485; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMc02X006146; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMb62X005981 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A792E65700C6; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:37:06 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7922A500CA; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:37:06 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c2aec1$b37055c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:37:27 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, It is so good of you to let the 4 y.o. that you babysit play with the buttons. Maybe you can make button bracelets and necklaces. Last week I came across a button brooch, that my daughter made in preschool. So many creative things can be made with buttons. My husband's fondest memories are from being under his mom's sewing machine and playing with the button box. I owned a home daycare when my kids were little. I had my 5 kids plus 6 others. I ran into one of the little girls that I watched from birth to 5 y.o. She is now 14 y.o. and in high school. She owns her own little craft business and sells her creations on the weekends at flea markets. She designs jewelry. You will find that a lot of creative children start at a very young age. The creativity seems to flow from them. I recall several conversations over the years on h-costume... a lot of people said they started sewing around age 4. My techie son showed his talents at age 3 or 4. He walked around with a screw driver unscrewing all the door knobs and then putting them back on. He also liked to hide a lot... under tables, in boxes. etc. Who would know that he gets paid to do that now. He wears black all the time, because techies are not supposed to be seen. He also build sets and takes them apart. Another thing that benefits him from toddler to now, is that he can sleep anywhere. Since techies are "they are the first to come and the last to leave" (quoting Jackson Browne) their days are long so they catch catnaps whenever they can. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06867 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMd1i1023515; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMd12X006351; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMcs2X006307 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSN9UaB002290 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:09:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBSN9UnE002288 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:09:30 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212281809.29891.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSMcs2X006307 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:09:29 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 01:10 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >http://www.westernweddingboots.com/swdshop/agora.cgi?&cart_id=&p_id=0045 > > Pretty good. Nice heel. Agreed. Though I actually found a similar boot in the Lerner catalog in April, for $39.00 USD.... > >http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-and-b-studios/shoeslacupbr.html > Pretty good. Not so good heel, and lose the ribbon laces. Agree about losing the ribbon laces. Think the heel is unsalvagably modern (in fact, it's a turn-of-the millennium heel--I never saw that type until it started to become common, on women's shoes and boots, around the year 2000). I have no clue, off hand, whether damask-type fabrics were used for boots in the Victorian period. > >http://www.fugawee.com/CW%20Women's.htm > > Yes. Agreed. Of course, this design seems to have been made as an intentional reproduction of a lady's Victorian boot. -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06888 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:44:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMg2i1023606; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMg12X007088; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSMfS2X006971 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:41:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmZkZKvLLDLDkKeN650V4nBGSEbfj2cXQA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL6BXNQY; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:41:00 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Message-ID: <20021228.172054.-559203.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:20:54 -0500 Status: RO I had the progressive lens several years ago and hated them. I was always trying to find the right place to look through. There was no side to side sight with mine. If they have improved so I don't have to turn my head from side to side to see anything that isn't right in front of me, I might be interested in trying them again. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06898 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMi1i1023685; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMi12X007554; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMhL2X007367 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:43:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSNDvaB002324; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:13:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBSNDvPL002322; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:13:57 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <002601c2ae70$ab2516e0$01fea8c0@vaio> <003601c2aebe$525de660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <003601c2aebe$525de660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212281813.56737.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSMhL2X007367 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:13:56 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 05:13 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Rowena, > > Strange that your state is trying to push out tech/life skills. My state > is trying to push them. I have seen this in the news a lot and they are > running commercials on TV. Most of the school systems in our metro have a > technical school so kids attend and learn a trade. It has come to the > realization that not all kids go to college and someday we will need to > replace the baby boomers in the work force. Of course, which state we're talking about may make all the difference. Which two states are we comparing here? > As for the Home Ec. I think it is really important that kids learn these > life skills. Not only the sewing but how to cook, etiquette, etc. Most > kids are not learning it at home. When my kid's friends come over, they > want to stay for dinner because so few of them sit down with a family for > dinner. These kids will volunteer to help cook and wash dishes. People > would be shocked to see how many of these kids have never done a chore at > home. I have been teaching these teenagers how to cook and wash dishes. > My children laugh at the teenagers for volunteering. My kids have done > chores all their life. > > Before my kids go to prom, I have an etiquette talk with my sons' dates. > Most kids do not know how to tip a waiter, manners when formal dining, how > to walk and act in a formal dress. I teach them how to walk up and down > stairs in a formal. These were life skills I learned in Home Ec. I never took Home Ec. My mother taught me how to cook, and I learned most of my sewing skills on my own. (On the other hand, I never went to the prom, either). :-) >I have > found that kids get scared when they don't know what is expected of them. > Someone has to teach them... or one day you might see them falling over > their dress at the Oscars. Kind of academic, since it's now possible to wear formal pants to the Oscars. > My oldest son is a manager of a Starbucks and hires a lot of young adults. > He said they are so lacking in life skills. The tragedy here, in my opinion, is that they are obviously not being taught either at home *or* in school. Personally, I think it is much better for important things like basic living skills to be taught at home, but am inclined to agree that where many kids' homes are falling short in this regard, it is better that someone, even the public schools, take up the slack. -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06903 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMiNiH023720; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:44:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMa12X005718; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMWN2X005005 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:32:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228223221.PZUD21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:32:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <021901c2ae9e$086381c0$160027d9@dan> Message-Id: <010E6A38-1ABC-11D7-99F0-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:28:00 +0000 Status: RO Oh gods my memory for trivia without being able to do a substantiation quote - if,and only if I remember correctly crepe begun to be manufactured/used in garments in the early 19thC.Around 1815 and was certainly in use by the 30's.I'm sorry to say that I don't recall any more. Marcus On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 06:22 pm, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't > the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in > western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06913 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMlQi1023850; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMlP2X008386; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBSMig2X007690 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmZkZKvLLDLDDNdostwG74FdH2Y7pODkVQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL6B492H; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:44:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont Message-ID: <20021228.172321.-559203.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:23:21 -0500 Status: RO I happened on the making of BA last night at midnight when I couldn't put down a project I am working on. They will most likely repeat it - they repeat everything. It was just listed as Benedict Arnold in the paper, not that it was a documentary or anything else. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06952 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:52:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMoGi1023963; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMoF2X009032; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMjw2X008059 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:45:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228224556.QELU21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:45:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200212281737.11170.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:41:35 +0000 Status: RO > On Saturday 28 December 2002 04:35 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: >> I checked my books and did not see an exact date. The earliest I have >> seen >> is a 1900 wedding dress in a museum. Then I defer to your ref.books Penny. Was it Sarsanet (Sarsenet the COD gives it as derived from ' drap sarrasinois' the OF for 'Saracen cloth' - don't give much of a definition for crepe,unfortunately) that was used in the early 19thC? I seem to remember that black armbands of crepe were used during morning periods by the Victorians.Ah well just stove my head in for me will ya! Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06956 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:53:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMp0i1024020; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMp02X009247; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMlv2X008506 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228224754.QFEL21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:47:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Robbin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2D340994-1ABE-11D7-99F0-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:43:33 +0000 Status: RO Huh a real comfort to me Robin. ; >>> Marcus. On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 10:36 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Penny and others may be relieved to know that you don't harm your vision > from doing needlework or other close work. You might get eyestrain or > headaches from too much close work (or computer work, or work in poor > light), but you don't damage your eyes. > > Everyone's eyes start going through changes around age 40, regardless of > what you use your eyes for. It's called presbyopia. It causes a form of > farsightedness -- that is, you find it easier to see things farther away > than close up, which is what makes some people want to hold a newspaper > at > arm's length. But it's not the same mechanism that causes farsightedness > or nearsightedness earlier in life. > > Those of us who are nearsighted or farsighted since our youth have an > overly long or short eyeball, so light coming through the front of the > eye > reaches its optimal focus point a bit forward or back of the retina > instead of directly on it. Glasses can fix that by adding some focusing > power before the light comes into the eye; you can do the same with > laser > surgery on the cornea (the clear dome over the pupil). Presbyopia has to > do with changes in the eye's lens, which is inside the eye, and does > most > of the focusing by bending to give you near and distance vision. The > lens > gets stiffer with age, making it hard for the lens to bend to the degree > it needs for close-up focus. And the aging process causes the lens to > change shape more slowly, too, which accounts for the problems Marcus > described in the speed of adjustment when you shift vision from far to > near and back. > > It's possible to be both myopic (nearsighted) and presbyopic; I am. In > other words, I have trouble seeing both distance and close-up now, > without > glasses. Sometimes if you're nearsighted, your nearsightedness will > cancel > out some of the developing farsightedness, but it won't stay that way, > as > presbyopia worsens through your early 60s or so before stabilizing. I > entered Varilux land (progressive lenses) last year, though I had > problems > earlier than that. Good concept, but I got a bad prescription, and I'll > be > getting it replaced shortly. I'm still pulling off my glasses to do > close > work, and my eyes have trouble adjusting to read the numbers on the VCR > clock if I'm sewing in front of the TV :-P > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06960 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMp5i1024037; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMp42X009282; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMon2X009196 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:50:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.215]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 14BF95EE54C for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:50:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c2aec3$eebcedd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] crepe/pancakes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:53:26 +0100 Status: RO And here I was wondering why they were talking about French pancakes. --Robin Yahoooooooooo Robin, you made my day!!!!!!!!!!! Laughs......... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 17:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06980 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:57:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMv1i1024273; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMv02X010653; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSMuv2X010643 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:56:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AC389B25004C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:56:56 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AC39B880154; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:56:57 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:57:18 -0500 Status: RO Marcus, I have been wearing bifocals for about ten years. The doctor said that between 30-45 a lot of people have to go to bifocals. The eyes changes a lot during this time. The first day I got them, I went on a 500 mile road trip. OMG, I had the worse time driving. I am also nearsighted, so I had to look out of the top portion of the lens for driving. By the end of the trip, I was adjusted. As for sewing... I kept taking my glasses off to do needlework for years. I even had glasses made just for the reading... what a waste of money. I also had problems reading on the computer. I would arch my head back to read on the top of the screen. Oh, the problems I had with my neck for doing this!!!!! The #1 problem is that I let my glasses slide down my nose when working. Last year my doctor suggested that when I am working to make sure my glasses are pushed up to the correct position and scroll the text near the lower half of the screen. What a big improvement!!! I also started doing this when sewing. I find myself taking off my glasses less. If I need to see something upclose and can't see them through the bifocals, I grab a magnifying glass instead of taking my glasses off. My son gave me a neat magnifying glass last year for Christmas with a light in it!!!!!!! It is a wonderful thing to have!!! He got it at Radio Shack. Think about this... the more you take off your glasses to do close work, the more you are weakening your close-up eyesight. Previously, I was changing glasses every year. Bifocals in the U.S. cost between $150 to $200. Ouch! Since I stopped taking my glasses off to work, my close vision has changed very little this year. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07028 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:08:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSN82i1024661; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSN802X013194; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSN7w2X013172 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:07:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AECEC8C20068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:07:58 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AECE2C500C8; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:07:58 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c2aec6$03667880$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <3E0DD1BE.3C34716@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:08:19 -0500 Status: RO Sue, Why don't you volunteer at the 4-H, Girl Scouts, or Big Sister/Big Brother programs. They would love to have someone like you to teach children these skills. 4-H has changed from what it was years ago. I live in a metro and 4H has people come into the classrooms to teach life skills. There is also govt. funding for after-school programs to teach children's classes. I am sure with your talents, they would love for you to teach a class. The future of our industry depends on us teaching the next generation. I can not describe the thrill it is to a teacher to see a light go off in a young student's head. Your gift to the future is teaching what you have learned. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07048 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNB0i1024778; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNB02X013873; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNAj2X013802 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:10:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF74C9FC0068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:10:44 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AF742D000C8; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:10:44 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c2aec6$665688e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <200212281336.20239.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:11:05 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Cathy, the great thing about this room is that there is space to make more built in bookcases!!!!!! I just need to convince these two sons to go away to college! LOL! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07052 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:12:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC1i1024829; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC12X014104; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNBu2Z014076 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7U00441R3U6V@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-reply-to: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228143319.04e07710@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSNBu2Z014076 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[h-cost]_Ur=FBk-hai_costume_LOTR?= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:34:17 -0800 Status: RO >I am looking for good pictures of Urûk-hai from Lord of the Rings. >In April there is a Fantasy fair in the Netherlands and my husband is >thinking of going as a Urûk-hai. > >I found this site with pictures >http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_bk2/fotr_b2c10_scene2.htm > >But I am surching for better pictures of what they are wearing. Have you heard about ? All they do is re-create LOtR costumes. You might want to join that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07055 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:13:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC5i1024841; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC52X014133; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNBu2X014076 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7U00441R3U6V@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228142420.050d3ba0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008501c2ae3e$b3a16760$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:27:23 -0800 Status: RO >Do you use the bifocals to sew with all the time?How do they help you in >everyday senarios? > >My vision has been/is changing over the past couple of years and I find >myself ripping off my specs to sew and having to put them on if checking >something at a distance.What is driving me nuts are the few 'minutes' - >probably only seconds, its taking to focus when I change the visual >range.I have no problem sitting for hours sewing by hand without my glasses. >My Optician isn't keen to get me set-up with bifocals as yet since the >'readings' are so slight compared with the average sight.(Having found >this a bit dangerous when rushing down stairs in public/areas I'm not >familiar with due to the lack of speed with which my vision adjusts,I am >concerned.) I have been in bi-focals since age ten, and don't remember ever having this problem. I just did a check as I sit here typing, and there is no change-time between my upper lenses and my lower ones. Not that this observation helps you. If I had the money, I would be in tri-focals by now. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07060 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:13:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC8i1024853; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNC72X014147; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNBv2X014086 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7U00441R3U6V@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <001f01c2aeb3$acdeb250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:10:01 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews writes, in a message sent 09:57 PM 12/28/02 +0100: >Hi. >It is rather funny how different we are. Many of you are fabricoholic. >I only have 3 fabrics in my stash wich i dont know what to make of right >now. >This is all i have in store........... >I always make the fabric to a costume, just after i baught it........... So you would understand, and the rest of us think it hilarious, when I tell the funniest thing I ever heard a customer say in a cloth store. She said she wouldn't buy a particular piece of fabric because it wouldn't fit into her fabric drawer (singular). I have a huge fabric stash, plus a huge yarn stash, which I am slowly getting rid of. My goal this year is to get from two storage units down to one storage unit. Anyone want to volunteer to help me with the clean-out process? You get all the fabric I decide I don't want, plus lunch/dinner. The last person got a station-wagon-load of boxes of fabric, and now I have 4 more boxes waiting for the thrift store or for the quilters at my doll club. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07077 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNH1i1025004; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNH02X015440; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNGu2X015412 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:16:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0E7ECAD00C6; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:16:55 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A0E836900C8; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:16:56 -0600 Message-ID: <006001c2aec7$43e98ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <001f01c2aeb3$acdeb250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:17:17 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne, I am not a fabricolic either. I purchase when the fabric is going to be used immediately. I have been to stores with fabricolics... they actually drool on fabrics. And you can never get them to leave the stores . On the other hand... I am a person who gets kicked out of museums and state archives when they close. Aren't you one of these people too Bjarne? See I can understand an addiction. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07087 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNMBi1025190; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNM02X016560; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNLv2X016546 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A21469A50126; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:21:56 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A21438200C8; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:21:56 -0600 Message-ID: <007401c2aec7$f70dd900$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: Fw: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:22:18 -0500 Status: RO It is silk and is the softest fabric I have felt in my life. I displayed the gown for exhibit and could not keep my hands off of the fabric. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07092 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNO2i1025264; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNO12X016983; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNNa2X016874 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:23:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228232333.QRNH21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:23:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-Id: <27F467DC-1AC3-11D7-99F0-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBSNNa2X016874 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:19:12 +0000 Status: RO > > I have been wearing bifocals for about ten years. The doctor said that > between 30-45 a lot of people have to go to bifocals. Mine started somewhere around 38 but since moving to the UK its become more obvious to me. > The eyes changes a > lot during this time. The first day I got them, I went on a 500 mile > road > trip. OMG, I had the worse time driving. I can imagine.Its quite nerve inducing going thru' it those sort of situations.(Who says I've got control issues hehehe) > I am also nearsighted, So am I - contacts used to work stella in the graphic studios but over the years,all that bother lost a lot of charm and I don't mind wearing specs most of the time. > so I had > to look out of the top portion of the lens for driving. By the end of > the > trip, I was adjusted. Sounds good. > > As for sewing... I kept taking my glasses off to do needlework for > years. Uh huh. > I > even had glasses made just for the reading... what a waste of money. Always seems to be the case. > I also > had problems reading on the computer. I would arch my head back to > read on > the top of the screen. Oh, the problems I had with my neck for doing > this!!!!! Snap. > The #1 problem is that I let my glasses slide down my nose when > working. Having dainty little noses aren't much help.I'd give anything for a real conker with a bump to rest them on. > Last year my doctor suggested that when I am working to make sure > my glasses are pushed up to the correct position and scroll the text > near > the lower half of the screen. What a big improvement!!! I also started > doing this when sewing. I'll try it. I'll try anything right now. > I find myself taking off my glasses less. If I > need to see something upclose and can't see them through the bifocals, I > grab a magnifying glass instead of taking my glasses off. My son gave > me a > neat magnifying glass last year for Christmas with a light in > it!!!!!!! It > is a wonderful thing to have!!! He got it at Radio Shack. Interesting - I'll keep mine on when I'm working too and see what happens. > > Think about this... the more you take off your glasses to do close > work, the > more you are weakening your close-up eyesight. Previously, I was > changing > glasses every year. Bifocals in the U.S. cost between $150 to $200. > Ouch! My specs and I got two pairs eighteen months ago - incase I sat on one,as I've been known to do,cost me something like over £500's.They aren't fancy by any stretch of the imagination.Just plain distance glasses. > Since I stopped taking my glasses off to work, my close vision has > changed > very little this year. Thanks I'll keep this in mind. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07099 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:27:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNR1i1025351; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNR12X017641; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNQH2X017466 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A319C426010E; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:26:17 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A319D04011C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:26:17 -0600 Message-ID: <008501c2aec8$92654dc0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <002601c2ae70$ab2516e0$01fea8c0@vaio> <003601c2aebe$525de660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <200212281813.56737.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:26:38 -0500 Status: RO Sorry... Rowena is in New York and I am in Virginia. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07103 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNS0i1025393; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNS02X017867; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNRO2X017719 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A35B43B6004A; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:27:23 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A35B3A500C8; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:27:23 -0600 Message-ID: <008c01c2aec8$b9f923c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228.172321.-559203.3.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Valmont X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:27:45 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Lalah! I watch A&E a lot, so I hope I catch it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07114 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:31:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNV1i1025505; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNV12X018552; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNUW2X018450 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:30:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228233031.QTXN21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:30:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Fw: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007401c2aec7$f70dd900$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-Id: <20A72BFE-1AC4-11D7-99F0-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:26:09 +0000 Status: RO On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 11:22 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > It is silk and is the softest fabric I have felt in my life. I > displayed > the gown for exhibit and could not keep my hands off of the fabric. My Mother had a stash of 'special' things as I was growing up and when she realised I had this 'thing' for textiles she'd show me various treasures.One group was crepe.She had crepe silk underwear from the 20's and 30's that were the most amazing things to touch.I imagine they were also very comfortable to wear as they wear quite roomy by the standards of the fashions back in the 60's.Very very beautiful and you know I haven't ever found that sort of quality since. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07121 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:32:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNW0i1025537; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNW02X018751; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNV52X018578 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A438CF8D0068; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:31:04 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4384BA0114; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:31:04 -0600 Message-ID: <009101c2aec9$3dd00e20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Status: RO Marcus, I will change that... I do remember Victorians using crepe as a morning fabric. Duh, I even have an article online about it... http://www.costumegallery.com/LHJ/June_1895/Mourning/p19Intro.htm In the article it is spelled crape. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07148 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNd2i1025738; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNd12X020345; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNc12X020160 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228233759.QWYB21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:37:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2C1DAC7C-1AC5-11D7-99F0-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] Textile ref.books/crepe Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:33:38 +0000 Status: RO Years ago I inherited a book from my local library that was a costume and textile dictionary.It was fab.gave you a bit of the background to the fabric,place and year it was first produced that sort of thing - has anyone else run into that type of ref.book in the last couple of years? Concentrating on Eastern/Asian cultures I haven't kept up with Western fashion history as I should have. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07171 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNr1i1026200; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNr02X023509; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNqH2X023337 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.e.2a898479 (3699) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e.2a898479.2b3f9326_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:52:06 EST Status: RO --part1_e.2a898479.2b3f9326_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love my progressive lenses, too, and wear them for most chores. I occasionally feel the need to remove them and get up really close when I am, say, doing delicate ripping out. I love the new technology in glasses--not only the progressive lenses, but also the super thin ones. I am so near-sighted that my glasses used to be heavy and clunky. Ann Wass --part1_e.2a898479.2b3f9326_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love my progressive lenses, too, and wear them for most chores.  I occasionally feel the need to remove them and get up really close when I am, say, doing delicate ripping out.  I love the new technology in glasses--not only the progressive lenses, but also the super thin ones.  I am so near-sighted that my glasses used to be heavy and clunky.
Ann Wass --part1_e.2a898479.2b3f9326_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07180 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:58:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw1i1026338; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw12X024685; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNtE2X024068 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.fb.33b38361 (3699) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.33b38361.2b3f93d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:55:05 EST Status: RO --part1_fb.33b38361.2b3f93d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 5:45:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes: > begun to be manufactured/used > in garments in the early 19thC.Around 1815 and was certainly in use by > the 30's. I have seen three gowns from sometime in the early 19th century (pre-1820, I would guess, by the cut) that are made of silk crepe. Ann Wass --part1_fb.33b38361.2b3f93d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 5:45:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes:


begun to be manufactured/used
in garments in the early 19thC.Around 1815 and was certainly in use by
the 30's.


I have seen three gowns from sometime in the early 19th century (pre-1820, I would guess, by the cut) that are made of silk crepe.
Ann Wass --part1_fb.33b38361.2b3f93d9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07184 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw8i1026363; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw82X024731; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (mta2-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNuW2X024382 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.22.149]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021228235630.RDTG21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:56:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?/Bingo and elephants Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009101c2aec9$3dd00e20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:52:08 +0000 Status: RO Hehehe and I was just heading off to bed too. You're right it was spelled 'crape' - the COD gives it as a gauze-like fabric with wrinkled surface usually of black silk or imitation silk (other colours were known as crepe.) Having just checked my Nancy Bradfield,Costume in detail 1730-1930 while there are a few gauze frocks in the 1830's the earliest reference to crape is as trimming on a black silk mantle circa 1870-75.What isn't clear is whether this was worn for mourning since N.B.surmises that it was for such occasions and describes the garment as 'well worn.'Perhaps there were a lot of funerals. Marcus. On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 11:31 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Marcus, > > I will change that... I do remember Victorians using crepe as a morning > fabric. Duh, I even have an article online about it... > http://www.costumegallery.com/LHJ/June_1895/Mourning/p19Intro.htm In > the > article it is spelled crape. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > http://www.onlinecostumeball.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07188 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw5i1026349; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNw42X024705; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNuR2X024356 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:56:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.40.295b4a0f (3699) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:56:15 EST Status: RO --part1_40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 5:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes: > Sarsanet I believe "sarsanet" is shot silk--that is, one color threads in the warp and another in the weft. Ann Wass --part1_40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2002 5:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes:


Sarsanet


I believe "sarsanet" is shot silk--that is, one color threads in the warp and another in the weft.
Ann Wass --part1_40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 18:59:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07192 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNwBi1026382; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNwB2X024754; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNvi2X024633 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:57:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBSNvYE5040906 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212282357.gBSNvYE5040906@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> from "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" at Dec 28, 2002 03:10:01 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'll help! *waves* I only have seven big tubs of fabric, and I'm going to end up donating a lot of it to my school this year anyways, so I'll need a new infusion... and anything else you don't want I can drop off at school for fellow poor students! .heather. > > Bjarne og Leif Drews writes, in a message sent 09:57 PM 12/28/02 +0100: > >Hi. > >It is rather funny how different we are. Many of you are fabricoholic. > >I only have 3 fabrics in my stash wich i dont know what to make of right > >now. > >This is all i have in store........... > >I always make the fabric to a costume, just after i baught it........... > > So you would understand, and the rest of us think it hilarious, when I tell > the funniest thing I ever heard a customer say in a cloth store. She said > she wouldn't buy a particular piece of fabric because it wouldn't fit into > her fabric drawer (singular). > > I have a huge fabric stash, plus a huge yarn stash, which I am slowly > getting rid of. My goal this year is to get from two storage units down to > one storage unit. Anyone want to volunteer to help me with the clean-out > process? You get all the fabric I decide I don't want, plus > lunch/dinner. The last person got a station-wagon-load of boxes of fabric, > and now I have 4 more boxes waiting for the thrift store or for the > quilters at my doll club. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 19:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07204 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT005i1026486; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0032X025434; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNxG2Z025076 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7U004J5TAR6S@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes In-reply-to: <200212281809.29891.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228155305.04d285b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021227135840.04d28a60@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:54:27 -0800 Status: RO >I have no clue, off hand, whether damask-type fabrics were used for boots in >the Victorian period. I have seen originals done in damask, and one done in glitz brocade. Some were embroidered. Most, of course, were plain. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 19:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07213 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:01:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT00Ci1026517; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT00C2X025541; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSNxG2X025076 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.106]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7U004J5TAR6S@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <003d01c2aec1$b37055c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:52:29 -0800 Status: RO >It is so good of you to let the 4 y.o. that you babysit play with the >buttons. Maybe you can make button bracelets and necklaces. I didn't say I let her keep the buttons, I just let her play with them, and the beads. I got a big cafeteria tray to dump them on, one jar at a time, where she sorts them, lines them up, and otherwise plays with them. Some, like the vintage glass or rhinestone ones, she only gets to look at in their jars. This kid goes to a Montessori pre-school, and does most of her bead stringing there. Sometimes we go to thrift stores/yard sales for more necklaces for her, and last night she picked out one made of big plastic pony beads. My play-with-it doll has several strings of cheap plastic 'throw beads' she, or the kid, can wear. And of course I provided the kid with a dress-up box for use here. This box has a pair of kid-size shoes (beaded velvet, flat heels, slip-on), and several lengths of sheer, glitz, and lace fabrics. The other fabric thing we do is throw a long piece of cloth over two chairs to make a tent. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 19:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07240 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0C1i1026950; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0C02X028463; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21307.mail.yahoo.com (web21307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBT0B02X028270 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:11:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021229001100.19658.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.104.253] by web21307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:00 PST From: kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002601c2ae36$ce822d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: portraits was: exhibition at Windsor Castle Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ailith@neo.rr.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:11:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > There is also a very lengthy series from the History > Channel about Elizabeth > I. I see if airing frequently. Is that the one you > are talking about? I > taped it when it aired the first time. I don't know if they are the same programs or not, but I'd be surprised if they were. The program on the DVD was made by A&E in 1996. It has 3 authors/historians (all women) talking about Elizabeth's life. I vaguely remember having watched something about Elizabeth I on the History Channel but I don't remember these particular paintings. I am not always able to remember *where* I've seen a painting, but I'm pretty good at remembering that I *have* seen a particular painting--and I don't remember ever having seen portraits of Elizabeth as a small child (besides the famous one of her in the red gown) or the one of Jane Grey. I don't have a DVD drive in my computer, but a friend of mine does. I'm taking the disk to her house next week; we're going to try to get a screen shot of the paintings. If we're successful, I'll post them. kate __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 19:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07324 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:42:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0g3i1028108; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0g12X005533; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT0fR2X005420 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:41:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.95.27c1de25 (17526) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Subject: [h-cost] "Russian Ark" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:41:18 EST Status: RO --part1_95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this film playing near anyone? Has anyone seen it. It sounds divine! And what about the new "Nicholas Nickleby"? I remember the 8 hour stage play fondly. Then there's also "Chicago". I wish some of these films would reach us down here in the boonies instead of the stupid "Lord of the Rings" junk on 15 screens! --part1_95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this film playing near anyone? Has anyone seen it. It sounds divine!

And what about the new "Nicholas Nickleby"? I remember the 8 hour stage play fondly.

Then there's also "Chicago".


I wish some of these films would reach us down here in the boonies instead of the stupid "Lord of the Rings" junk on 15 screens! --part1_95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 20:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07371 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT154i1028903; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1512X010464; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT14T2X010354 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a258.in-tch.com [66.62.107.58]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBT0mBP25930 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:48:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0E4A3C.3E68DF21@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:05:00 -0700 Status: RO And I thought maybe it referred to the process involved in moving between bases... --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Lyn Greaves- home wrote: > > > OK, you know that you aren't awake yet when "date crepe introduced?" > > doesn't make you think of fabric. . . . and you wonder why on EARTH > > they are talking about crimes on the h-costume list. . . > > And here I was wondering why they were talking about French pancakes. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 20:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07518 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1g3i1000346; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1g12X018138; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1fD2X017952 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBT2BmaB002802; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:11:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBT2Bm0r002800; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:11:48 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200212281336.20239.cathy@thyrsus.com> <004e01c2aec6$665688e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <004e01c2aec6$665688e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212282111.48141.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBT1fD2X017952 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:11:48 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 06:11 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Oh, Cathy, the great thing about this room is that there is space to make > more built in bookcases!!!!!! I just need to convince these two sons to go > away to college! LOL! I want to buy your house. Where do you live? :-) -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 20:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07527 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1j1i1000434; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1j12X018726; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1i72X018541 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBT2EeaB002826; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:14:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBT2Ee4c002824; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:14:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoes User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <4.3.1.2.20021227220929.050e2d60@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228155305.04d285b0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021228155305.04d285b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212282114.39844.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBT1i72X018541 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:14:39 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 06:54 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >I have no clue, off hand, whether damask-type fabrics were used for boots > > in the Victorian period. > > I have seen originals done in damask, and one done in glitz brocade. Really. Interesting. But then, Victorian is far from being my main area of interest. >Some > were embroidered. Most, of course, were plain. That would be what I'd expect. Thanks for the information. -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 20:53:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07544 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:53:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1r1i1000700; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1r12X020227; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT1qJ2X020112 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:52:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A552BCC3004C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:52:18 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A552E4C011C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:52:18 -0600 Message-ID: <00fd01c2aedc$f8e9b860$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:52:37 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, Are you holding all the buttons too!!!! How many jars of buttons do you have? Maybe you fabric assistant needs to help in that department too. LOL! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 21:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07662 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT2L2i1001580; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT2L12X026106; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT2Kf2X026027 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ABF8FA25010E; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:20:40 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ABF99ED0248; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:20:41 -0600 Message-ID: <012c01c2aee0$ef700b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200212281336.20239.cathy@thyrsus.com> <004e01c2aec6$665688e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <200212282111.48141.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:21:02 -0500 Status: RO Cathy, I am in Chesterfield, Virginia. A suburb of Richmond. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 22:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07807 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:08:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT383i1003311; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT3812X007675; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT37m2X007611 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.15b.199d758d (30950) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.199d758d.2b3fc0f8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15b.199d758d.2b3fc0f8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:07:36 EST Status: RO --part1_15b.199d758d.2b3fc0f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wear the progressive lenses and have now for almost 2 years. When I got them I was told all these horror stories, like you can only see clearly directly ahead, it will take days or maybe weeks to get used to them. I can see clearly when I move my eyes and look put of other parts of the lens. Also it only took about 10 minutes to get used to them, for me. I work with a few other people who wear progressive lenses and they all had the same type of experiences I have had. I love them and since they are the newer verilux they are lighter than any other glasses I have every worn. Also I spend about 10 hours a day at work on a computer with no eye strain any more. The down side was the expense...almost $600 before my insurance paid for 2/3 of the cost. Love my lenses Osmondia --part1_15b.199d758d.2b3fc0f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wear the progressive lenses and have now for almost 2 years.  When I got them I was told all these horror stories, like you can only see clearly directly ahead, it will take days or maybe weeks to get used to them.
I can see clearly when I move my eyes and look put of other parts of the lens.  Also it only took about 10 minutes to get used to them, for me.
I work with a few other people who wear progressive lenses and they all had the same type of experiences I have had.
I love them and since they are the newer verilux they are lighter than any other glasses I have every worn.
Also I spend about 10 hours a day at work on a computer with no eye strain any more.
The down side was the expense...almost $600 before my insurance paid for 2/3 of the cost.

Love my lenses
Osmondia --part1_15b.199d758d.2b3fc0f8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 22:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07893 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT3Z2i1004232; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT3Z12X013749; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT3YU2X013619 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBT3SmIK018503 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:28:48 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20021228.124501.572.14.Cley@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:38:32 -0800 Status: RO Arlys, What are progressive lenses? Do they differ from lineless bifocals (which is what I have)? I found that I had to get another set of special "close-up" bifocals for working with my computer at work because the lineless bifocals I normally wear didn't have enough area for the close-up required. It cost a bit, but I am quite happy to change between them for everyday stuff like driving or watching a movie to needlework or computer stuff. Regina (Hope you are having a good set of Holidays!) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:39 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny I have progressive lenses and use them when I embroider. Being as I tend to watch TV and work at the same time, they are lovely. Arlys On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:12 +0000 marcus findlay-arthur writes: > > > I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big > framed > > glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked > > great. Now > > with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used up > my > > close > > vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from > going on > > marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I > meet you > > all) > > Penny, ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 23:02:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07957 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT421i1005321; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT4202X020020; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT4122X019803 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7V00C4D4HPDO@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <00fd01c2aedc$f8e9b860$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228195408.0508b420@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:54:38 -0800 Status: RO >Are you holding all the buttons too!!!! How many jars of buttons do you >have? Maybe you fabric assistant needs to help in that department too. >LOL! Hmmm - what did you have in mind? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Dec 28 23:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07961 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:03:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT429i1005332; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT4282X020042; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT4122Z019803 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7V00C4D4HPDO@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228195529.04d35890@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021228.124501.572.14.Cley@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:56:44 -0800 Status: RO > What are progressive lenses? Do they differ from lineless > bifocals (which >is what I have)? I found that I had to get another set of special >"close-up" bifocals for working with my computer at work because the >lineless bifocals I normally wear didn't have enough area for the close-up >required. It cost a bit, but I am quite happy to change between them for >everyday stuff like driving or watching a movie to needlework or computer >stuff. I never had progressive bifocals, because I didn't want to give up any space to the progressive part. I've been wearing the kind with lines for so long, I have no problem with each new pair. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 00:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08134 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT5L2i1007474; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT5L02X007235; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBT5KD2X007052 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:20:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OsgFokq3XNDcJgy10+Bh+Jc="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL62RR9R; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:19:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Message-ID: <20021228.211820.668.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-8,10-11,13-17,19-86 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:29:53 -0800 Status: RO They're not lineless bifocals per se--at least, I've never heard them described that way. The lense is set up so that you can look through different parts of it and see, as the ads say, "near, far, and in between." I have presbyopia and am nearsighted as well, and love mine. They came with a lesson on how to use them--it's a snap, but takes a little getting used to because it's not like looking through normal glasses. A friend of mine has a pair and says she finds walking with them difficult, but I don't have that problem. One of the nice things is that you don't have to change out one pair of glasses for another. Regina, when you have time, could you please drop me a note off-list and fill me in? Be lovely to hear from you. :-) Arlys Cley@juno.com On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:38:32 -0800 "Wanda Pease" writes: > Arlys, > > What are progressive lenses? Do they differ from lineless > bifocals (which > is what I have)? I found that I had to get another set of special > "close-up" bifocals for working with my computer at work because the > lineless bifocals I normally wear didn't have enough area for the > close-up > required. It cost a bit, but I am quite happy to change between > them for > everyday stuff like driving or watching a movie to needlework or > computer > stuff. > > Regina > (Hope you are having a good set of Holidays!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:39 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny > > > I have progressive lenses and use them when I embroider. Being as I > tend > to watch TV and work at the same time, they are lovely. > > Arlys > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:32:12 +0000 marcus findlay-arthur > writes: > > > > > I had the same problem as I have gotten older. When I had big > > framed > > > glasses 10 years ago, it was not a problem. The bifocals worked > > > great. Now > > > with small lenses it is hard to sew with them. I think I used > up > > my > > > close > > > vision from so many years of doing fine needlework. Also from > > going on > > > marathon needlework stitching sprees. (see what I did before I > > meet you > > > all) > > > > Penny, > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 01:53:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08343 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:53:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT6q8i1010088; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT6q12X026851; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT6pN2X026719 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:51:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32732 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:01:45 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny In-Reply-To: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:01:45 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I also had problems reading on the computer. I would > arch my head back to read on the top of the screen. Oh, the problems > I had with my neck for doing this!!!!! When I got my progressives, I told the ophthalmologist that I spent most of my day working on a computer, and I ended up with glasses that had their adjustment areas in different places than the standard. I don't remember whether it was part of the prescription or if he just talked to the optician (the glasses were sold in the same office). So many people work on computers now I'm surprised they don't routinely allow for this, or at least ask patients about it. But it's worth bringing up when you're getting your prescription, and again when you're getting measured for your glasses. My distance and computer-screen prescriptions are fine, but my close-up adjustment is way off. Either my eyes changed right out of the prescription within a week after I got the lenses, or they weren't refracted right to start with. I suspect the latter. New doctor for me this time... > Think about this... the more you take off your glasses to do close > work, the more you are weakening your close-up eyesight. Previously, > I was changing glasses every year. Bifocals in the U.S. cost between > $150 to $200. Ouch! Since I stopped taking my glasses off to work, my > close vision has changed very little this year. It's a common belief that close work weakens your sight, but I can assure you that the medical literature says this is not the case. (I should note here that I keep food on the table as a medical editor, and by sheer coincidence I have just spent the last week editing a 100-page report on "The Aging Eye," which addresses this very question, among others.) It's actually normal for many people to need frequent changes in lens prescription during the height of the age-related changes; this will slow down on its own after a while. There's another common belief that *wearing* glasses will hurt your eyes and you should take off your glasses and let your eyes "rest" periodically. This contradicts the idea that *not* using glasses can damage your eyes, of course. Both are groundless worries. So, Penny, you can do all the close work you want, with or without glasses, and it won't change your eyesight ... your eyesight will change all on its own, at its own rate ;-) But you can avoid eyestrain by having good light on your work, taking periodic breaks, and keeping glare down. The magnifier is also a *really* good idea. Thanks for the recommendation to Radio Shack -- I was thinking about getting a lighted magnifier. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 02:27:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08408 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7R1i1011203; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7R02X003961; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7QH2X003796 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A39841E1010E; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:26:16 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A398F66011C; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:26:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01a001c2af0b$83924ee0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228195408.0508b420@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:25:47 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, I was thinking after I raided Sue's house for books, that I could raid yours for buttons. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 02:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08417 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:33:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7X1i1011335; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7X02X005030; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7WZ2X004950 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A51147B70068; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:32:33 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A51166400C8; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:32:33 -0600 Message-ID: <01ad01c2af0c$63db9b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:32:04 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Robin! My eyesight starting getting worse when I did a crosstitch project on black. I got had so much blurred vision and headaches. I swore to never work on black again. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 02:42:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08430 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7g2i1011549; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7g12X006730; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7fG2X006624 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7V006N8EOQID@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228232123.04d2aef0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:41:11 -0800 Status: RO > But you can avoid eyestrain by having good light on your >work, taking periodic breaks, and keeping glare down. What bothers me most is the eyestrain headaches. (That, and the tendonitis aching in my wrist after too much handwork.) Both of those require resting, or at least stopping to take breaks. When I was young I was told that if I ate lots of carrots, and didn't sit too close to the TV, I wouldn't need glasses. They lied - and I was into bifocals when I was 10. Decades later, when I asked a pediatrician about my kids' eyes, he asked if their father wore glasses. When I said he did, the doctor said the kids probably would too. One needed them by age 14 or so, and the other one doesn't (yet?). >The magnifier is >also a *really* good idea. Thanks for the recommendation to Radio Shack -- >I was thinking about getting a lighted magnifier. I was appalled at the price of the ones in the fabric stores, so I got one at Fry's, a local electronics store. It cost less than $20. I think they intended it for people who solder tiny electronic parts at home. It takes an ordinary light bulb, and screws onto the edge of my work surface. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 02:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08442 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:58:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7w1i1011968; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7w02X009295; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT7vC2X009200 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:57:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7V0063AFFBHH@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:57:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets In-reply-to: <01a001c2af0b$83924ee0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021228234207.04d2b4e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228195408.0508b420@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:42:56 -0800 Status: RO >I was thinking after I raided Sue's house for books, that I could raid yours >for buttons. Come on over! The San Francisco Bay Area gets no snow in the winter. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 03:17:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08513 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8H2i1012413; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8H12X012017; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8G62X011867 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF45BF0C004A; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:16:05 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AF474D900CA; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:16:07 -0600 Message-ID: <01b201c2af12$74c2f0c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <4.3.1.2.20021228232123.04d2aef0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:15:31 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, The magnifying glass that my son got at Radio Shack last year costs about $6. When I would go on marathons of stitching... sometimes 24 hours straight, my eyes would burn, and fingers and wrists hurt. I would get headaches too. You have to give yourself breaks, if you don't you will get into the trouble I have ended up in with my back. Over doing it will catch up with you. BTW, I was on the computer to long on my last spree earlier today. My back and legs hurt so much I had to lay down for four hours. I know it is really hard to stop and take breaks. Especially when you really love what you do. My motto used to be work until I hurt. Now I have had to learn to stop before I hurt. Both of my parents wore glasses and out of six siblings, three wear glasses. My husband wears contacts and I wear glasses, out of our five sons, three wear glasses. I started wearing glasses for near-sighted when I was 13. In 3rd grade I was told I needed them but my family couldn't afford them. On the other hand, everyone in my husband's family wears glasses. My husband is legally blind without his contacts. Thank goodness our kids' eyesight is not as bad as their dad's. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 03:51:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08595 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:51:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8p1i1013214; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8p02X017711; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8ot2X017683 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT8r6mm031089 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:53:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0EB7C5.4060609@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: fabric purge (Was:Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets) References: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:52:21 -0800 Status: RO To Kayta= Your mention of a doll club interests me...I just did a major purge of fabric from my disorderly piles and am looking for somewhere/one interested in it. Is your group in the SF Bay Area perchance? And, would they like more donations??? Thanks for your time, Theresa Eacker Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: (Pruning) and now I have 4 more boxes waiting for the thrift store or for > the quilters at my doll club. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 04:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08798 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT9L2i1013573; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT9L12X022289; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBT9KH2X022154 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-228.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.228]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA1419FE68 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:20:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0EBE4A.1040704@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ur=FBk-hai_costume_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?LOTR?= References: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> <025401c2aeb4$a2903020$160027d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:20:10 +0100 Status: RO Thanks! This is just what I needed. I think I have enough information to start designing :-) . Now I have to find someting for my self. Somehow I don't like the elven costumes... :-( And I don't look like Eowyn. Greetings, Deredere Stevie Gamble wrote: >Deredere wrote: >--------- >I am looking for good pictures of Urûk-hai from Lord of the Rings. >In April there is a Fantasy fair in the Netherlands and my husband is >thinking of going as a Urûk-hai. > >I found this site with pictures >http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_bk2/fo >tr_b2c10_scene2.htm > >But I am surching for better pictures of what they are wearing. >-------------------------- > >Well, you could try: > >http://www.larp.com/orcs/ > >which details someone else's efforts at reconstructing the Uruck-hai, >but probably the best way to do it is to sit in front of the dvd >pausing on the relevant frames. If you don't have it then perhaps your >husband could buy it for you on the grounds that it's absolutely vital >to making him a costume >:-) > >best wishes >Stevie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 05:59:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09229 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTAw4i1016014; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTAw12X008361; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTAvA2X008252 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip170.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.170]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBTAv711020750 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:57:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021229055334.04253d20@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's Christmas Stash In-Reply-To: References: <20021227182101.2489.41432.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:53:58 -0500 Status: RO At 08:00 PM 12/27/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > -- Mara >i'm not sure what your local jo-annes is selling dupione for, but you may >want to look here first: > >http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/fabric-apparel---fashion-fabrics-silk >s-promotionally-priced-silk-dupioni.html > >please note that the width is 54" wide. > >laurie Thanks! Yes, I'm drooling over a few of the colors.... ;) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 06:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09268 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBG2i1016272; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBG12X011202; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBFt2X011189 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip178.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.178]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBTBFq11022403 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021229060755.04266fd0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara In-Reply-To: <3E0D5F61.3090406@misc.com> References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Book purging, was What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:12:43 -0500 Status: RO I've been purging a lot of my old books by reselling them on Amazon.com. And before anyone gets excited, they're not generally costume-related, sorry, except for one on NA Beadwork: http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y04Y0293923Y4083348/104-5474921-0526339 It makes me feel better to at least get _something_ for them! I'm still running out of bookshelf space, but not quite so quickly ;) I'm trying to buy quality, not quantity, these days. -- Mara At 12:22 AM 12/28/2002 -0800, you wrote: >To Penny- > >Thank you for the invaluable tips about accruing books for the library. >I tend to be impatient, or get excited about a new book, and fork over the >full price too willingly. And, boy, do they conquer territory easily - >I've already purged all the music books I owned and am now working on >craft books but they still demand more space!! Ah well, the joy is as much >in the hunt as the capture, so I'll work at becoming more penurious about >the new stuff!! > >Theresa Eacker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 06:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09281 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:29:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBT2i1016500; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBT12X013567; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTBSk2X013510 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:28:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip178.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.178]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBTBSg11023407 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:28:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021229061840.04273a90@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing In-Reply-To: <003601c2aebe$525de660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> <002d01c2ae39$58e27440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <002601c2ae70$ab2516e0$01fea8c0@vaio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:25:34 -0500 Status: RO At 05:13 PM 12/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Rowena, > >Strange that your state is trying to push out tech/life skills. My state is >trying to push them. I have seen this in the news a lot and they are >running commercials on TV. Most of the school systems in our metro have a >technical school so kids attend and learn a trade. It has come to the >realization that not all kids go to college and someday we will need to >replace the baby boomers in the work force. (snip) That's so true. I've also heard a few stories in the news about how more boys (particularly) are choosing to take computer classes and get right into a computer career rather than going to four years of college. I can't say I blame them; for a teenager, the idea of earning $40K/year before you're twenty could seem awfully appealing, if you like working with computers. But I also remember hearing a few stories about how some Silicon Valley computer geeks (with or without college educations) had no clue how to act at fancy dinners with investors, and were taking etiquette classes so they wouldn't embarrass themselves. Yes, life skills ARE important. My middle sister, who never really learned to cook or sew when she was a teenager (my mom taught us to sew, but we learned to cook in Home Ec, because mom cooks -- but nothing she makes is edible), is now learning to cook, sew, paint, etc. Her hubby is learning to cook stuff from scratch, too; he made macaroni and cheese (his favorite) from scratch when we last visited them. Given the popularity of cooking shows on TV, maybe more people are discovering that actual cooking is more fun than throwing something in the microwave? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 07:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09395 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:01:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC12i1017025; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC102X018997; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC052X018860 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7V00CNKQO103@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: fabric purge (Was:Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets) In-reply-to: <3E0EB7C5.4060609@misc.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021229034552.00a68770@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:48:51 -0800 Status: RO >Your mention of a doll club interests me...I just did a major purge of >fabric from my disorderly piles and am looking for somewhere/one >interested in it. Is your group in the SF Bay Area perchance? And, would >they like more donations?? Two doll clubs, actually. One is The Flying Phoebes, based in Fremont, and the other one is Gals and Dolls, based in San Jose. Also, tho I'm no longer a member, the Quilt Museum in downtown San Jose often can use quilt-able fabric, as they sometimes do charity quilts. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 07:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09409 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC62i1017186; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC602X019874; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTC5J2X019773 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021229120514.QPHG2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:05:14 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets Message-ID: <000001c2aef2$aaf692c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006001c2aec7$43e98ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:27:54 -0500 Status: RO Hey, Wait-a-doggone-minute! For the record, Penny, you and I never went to a real fabric store together! We went to Carol's house to help her reduce *her* fabric stash, because she was getting out of re-enacting. It was a charitable visit, honest! But, we did go to a used book store, which is my second-worst place to go. ;o> Sorry about that, but it's YOUR fault since YOU took me there! Now, if you and I /were/ to ever go to a real fabric store, believe me you'd need a lot more than a couple of aspirins to help you through... a stiff shot of whiskey would be good for starters! I've been doing a lot better, and am actually following Robin's good advice to sit down and sew up a pile or two before I allow anything new in here. It's working, the dining room is fabric-free (for the first time in over a year) and there is a stack of new garments ready to go. Whee! That feels really good! Just getting all the UFO's done was a great accomplishment. Now, if I could just stick to the food diet as well as I'm doing with the fabric diet, then all those clothes would look so much better on me! ~Linda~ Addictive Personality Level A+ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets Bjarne, I am not a fabricolic either. I purchase when the fabric is going to be used immediately. I have been to stores with fabricolics... they actually drool on fabrics. And you can never get them to leave the stores . On the other hand... I am a person who gets kicked out of museums and state archives when they close. Aren't you one of these people too Bjarne? See I can understand an addiction. Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 07:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13553 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCV2i1017733; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCV02X023725; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCU82X023626 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:30:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBTCU8ap023625 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:30:08 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Message-ID: <20021229123008.GO19034@net.indra.com> References: <004201c2aec4$793c1940$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <4.3.1.2.20021228232123.04d2aef0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021228232123.04d2aef0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:30:08 -0700 Status: RO I'm very nearsighted, as many people here are. My husband is farsighted, which really took some getting used to! It boggled my mind that someone would take *off* their glasses to watch a movie or to see the road. He has to wear his glasses to read, or he gets a headache. He also gets his glasses tinted a bit because he makes his living looking at computer screens - it supposedly helps with eyestrain. I have my contact lens prescription adjusted for best distance viewing because I do a lot of archery. I can still manage to do all of the up-close detail work on garb and costumes without a problem, but I think a lot of that is just having gotten used to focusing in that close. My joke with my doctor was since I am nearsighted and my husband farsighted, could the kids have normal vision? :) Unfortunately, the reality is that they will almost certainly need glasses one way or the other. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 07:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13562 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCd2i1017857; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCd12X024974; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCcY2X024870 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021229123828.CKMQ22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:38:28 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: , "'Carolyn Priest-Dorman'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Message-ID: <000001c2aef7$4fcbd9f0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <021901c2ae9e$086381c0$160027d9@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBTCcY2X024870 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:01:08 -0500 Status: RO I asked this question about crepe last month of Carolyn Priest-Dorman, who is very much an authority on Medieval and Viking weaves. I'm not really as interested in post-1450 fabrics most of the time, so any application to later times is still not very clear. The 'second type' may well be fine for later centuries, just not so for Medieval and earlier. Her reply to me is as follows: >I have a question that I'm really hoping you can help me with. It >concerns crepe weave fabric. Is it documentable to the Middle Ages, or >perhaps even to the Viking era? Weeeellllll, that depends on how you define "crepe." ;> There are two common definitions of "crepe." One is "tabby weave using overspun yarns." The effect of using the overspun yarns is that the cloth crinkles up even though the structure is regular--kind of like the "tracking" effect that some yarns give, only much more pronounced. This type of crepe weave is period to Vikings: some fine wool crepe fragments from Hedeby are believed to be the remains of men's poofy pants. Being lightweight fine wool, they're appropriate for the sort of garment that calls for a great deal of material bunched up in a relatively confined place. The other definition of "crepe" involves an irregular weave structure (often twill-like) with no discernible repeat that is often found in weaving manuals. To my knowledge, this is not a medieval weave structure. Accordingly, in order to know whether any given commercial crepe textile you want to use is appropriate, you'd have to dissect a bit of it and see how it's made. Does this help? Yours, Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html Hope this helps, ~Linda~ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Hi all, I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 08:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13639 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD03i1018230; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD012X028404; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTCvN2X028011 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-121-126-39.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.39] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Sd0L-0001aX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:57:21 +0000 Message-ID: <007401c2af3a$64ecce00$277e79d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000001c2aef7$4fcbd9f0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:01:25 -0000 Status: RO Linda wrote: ---------------- I asked this question about crepe last month of Carolyn Priest-Dorman, who is very much an authority on Medieval and Viking weaves. I'm not really as interested in post-1450 fabrics most of the time, so any application to later times is still not very clear. The 'second type' may well be fine for later centuries, just not so for Medieval and earlier. (answer continued below) ------------------------- Many thanks; I was sure that I'd come across an early reference somewhere, but it's easy to hallucinate on these questions:-) The next one being, do we have any idea of the colours? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________ Her reply to me is as follows: >I have a question that I'm really hoping you can help me with. It >concerns crepe weave fabric. Is it documentable to the Middle Ages, or >perhaps even to the Viking era? Weeeellllll, that depends on how you define "crepe." ;> There are two common definitions of "crepe." One is "tabby weave using overspun yarns." The effect of using the overspun yarns is that the cloth crinkles up even though the structure is regular--kind of like the "tracking" effect that some yarns give, only much more pronounced. This type of crepe weave is period to Vikings: some fine wool crepe fragments from Hedeby are believed to be the remains of men's poofy pants. Being lightweight fine wool, they're appropriate for the sort of garment that calls for a great deal of material bunched up in a relatively confined place. The other definition of "crepe" involves an irregular weave structure (often twill-like) with no discernible repeat that is often found in weaving manuals. To my knowledge, this is not a medieval weave structure. Accordingly, in order to know whether any given commercial crepe textile you want to use is appropriate, you'd have to dissect a bit of it and see how it's made. Does this help? Yours, Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html Hope this helps, ~Linda~ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Hi all, I have been brooding over my fabric stash, and realised that I haven't the faintest idea of when crepe (wool or silk) came into use in western Europe. Can anyone enlighten me, please? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 08:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13661 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD41i1018298; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD412X029056; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD3j2X029021 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-121-126-39.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.39] helo=dan) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Sd6W-0000XV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:03:45 +0000 Message-ID: <008301c2af3b$493d98a0$277e79d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <009101c2aec9$3dd00e20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:07:48 -0000 Status: RO Penny wrote: >I do remember Victorians using crepe as a morning > fabric. I'm sorry; I should have made my question clearer. Victorian mourning crepe was a beastly fabric, hideous to the touch, offensive to the nose and downright extortionately priced. Unfortunately I failed to note the book I derived this from, since this is not my period, but this is not the sort of crepe I had in mind. I was thinking of beautiful and valuable wool and silk fabric... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 08:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13684 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDB2i1018638; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDB02X000344; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTD922X029827 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021229130857.ZUGD4411.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:08:57 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Message-ID: <000301c2aefb$91b92710$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007401c2af3a$64ecce00$277e79d5@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:31:37 -0500 Status: RO Well, sorry, I don't know, but I can ask if you like. It would also help if you could be a bit more specific about your preferred time periods... and places of course! I'm learning that all questions must be prefaced with 'when and where' before one can get a suitable answer! Smiles, Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:01 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Linda wrote: ---------------- I asked this question about crepe last month of Carolyn Priest-Dorman, who is very much an authority on Medieval and Viking weaves. I'm not really as interested in post-1450 fabrics most of the time, so any application to later times is still not very clear. The 'second type' may well be fine for later centuries, just not so for Medieval and earlier. (answer continued below) ------------------------- Many thanks; I was sure that I'd come across an early reference somewhere, but it's easy to hallucinate on these questions:-) The next one being, do we have any idea of the colours? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 08:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13763 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDT2i1018895; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDT12X003150; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium.btinternet.com (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDSI2X003005 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-121-126-39.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.39] helo=dan) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18SdUH-0005ls-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:28:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2af3e$b7053480$277e79d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000301c2aefb$91b92710$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:32:20 -0000 Status: RO Linda wrote: re colours of crepe > Well, sorry, I don't know, but I can ask if you like. It would also help > if you could be a bit more specific about your preferred time periods... > and places of course! I'm learning that all questions must be prefaced > with 'when and where' before one can get a suitable answer! Quite so; apart, that is, from when one is contemplating one's fabric stash. Then it's more of a "what can I do with this piece of black/navy/mustard light/heavyweight silk/wool crepe in a non-corsetted pre-20th century European era?" Which is probably not what you had in mind... thanks and best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 08:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13939 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDq2i1019315; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDq12X006921; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDpF2X006778 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.230] (tnt-1-38.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.230]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBTDpE014061 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:51:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01c2ae9f$22006700$01fea8c0@livingroom> References: <200212281821.gBSILHxB038599@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <001c01c2ae9f$22006700$01fea8c0@livingroom> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:07 -0800 Status: RO At 1:30 PM -0500 12/28/02, Lyn Greaves- home wrote: >OK, you know that you aren't awake yet when "date crepe introduced?" doesn't >make you think of fabric. . . . and you wonder why on EARTH they are talking >about crimes on the h-costume list. . . Crimes? But a "date crepe" is simply one of the dessert alternatives at that wonderful Breton pancake restaurant in the city .... Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14010 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:01:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTE05i1019469; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTE032X008259; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTDxA2X008063 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBTETxaB013664; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:30:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBTETxJG013662; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:29:59 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Penny Ladnier" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200212282111.48141.cathy@thyrsus.com> <012c01c2aee0$ef700b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <012c01c2aee0$ef700b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212290929.58866.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBTDxA2X008063 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:29:58 -0500 Status: RO On Saturday 28 December 2002 09:21 pm, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Cathy, > > I am in Chesterfield, Virginia. A suburb of Richmond. Thanks. And as you mentioned, Rowena lives in NY. Very odd. One would think that New York could use a dose of traditional skills more. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14291 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEgui1020257; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:42:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEg12X015674; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEbe2X014889 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m203.in-tch.com [216.166.191.203]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTELIP29552 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:21:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F08D0.A73BA0D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny References: <01ad01c2af0c$63db9b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:38:08 -0700 Status: RO That could have been muscle strain, Penny. I got (and get) problems like that because of the disparity in visual acuity between my two eyes--I'm nearsighted in both, but one is much closer to normal, and the other is almost legally blind. The difference in focal points, especially if I do too much, apparently places too much stress on the "good" eye, which starts taking over more and more of the function of the "bad" eye. Found this out when I was...oh, 18 and a college freshman. I surely thought I had a brain tumor...terrible headaches, double and triple vision, words in my textbooks moving around on the pages, etc. I got better glasses, and learned to adapt. Now, of course, that I'm on the *other* side of the Evil Divide, I'm starting to find problems such as others are describing--notable when doing needlework and watching my (small) t.v., or when doing work at work, and switching between looking at the computer monitor and the (sometimes) tiny-scaled maps we use. It's really frustrating...I've been used to my eyes being not much more than desperately nearsighted for 35 years (worn glasses since I was 7, and needed them earlier). And getting new glasses is a huge hassle....my insurance doesn't cover visual or dental, and my eye doctor's a 3.5 hour trip away, anyway. *grump* Being near-sighted sure is handy for doing really fine work, or being able to see the threads in fabric, though! ;-) --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Thanks Robin! My eyesight starting getting worse when I did a crosstitch > project on black. I got had so much blurred vision and headaches. I swore > to never work on black again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14325 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:51:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEoKi1020497; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEoJ2X017300; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEfH2X015558 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:41:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m203.in-tch.com [216.166.191.203]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTEOxP00319 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:24:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F09AD.6D9403DA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book purging, was What'd you get for Christmas? References: <3E0CB341.9040402@misc.com> <006e01c2ae3d$1c0198e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021229060755.04266fd0@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:41:49 -0700 Status: RO About the only books I purge are paperbacks, which *could* account for the nearly $200 credit I have at the local used-books store! --sue Kevin + Mara wrote: > > I've been purging a lot of my old books by reselling them on > Amazon.com. And before anyone gets excited, they're not generally > costume-related, sorry, except for one on NA Beadwork: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:51:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14331 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:51:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEp1i1020530; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEp12X017506; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEgf2X015744 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-007neomahp260.dialsprint.net ([63.178.237.150] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18SeeA-0000Nk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:42:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021227000034.00b975c8@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <20021227000103.4322.35727.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Xmas gifts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:09:03 -0600 Status: RO I didn't get much (costume-related) except a really pretty antique-look silver necklace w/red crystals. Need to get the chain lengthened, tho'. Why don't they make the neat stuff big enough for normal people to wear, anyway? My main gift (from Pierre) was a bag/jar/etc. vacuum-sealer. This will let me buy more stuff in bulk and vac-seal it for the freezer. I got Pierre the Kyoto book (he loved it) and another costume book is on order. It's a wearable art showcase album put out by Bernina and Primedia publications, called "Fashion and Imagination: Masquerade". It was advertised in the most recent (Jan.) Sew News, phone for ordering is (800) 590-3465. Cost including shipping is $13.45, in case anyone is interested. Sandy >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14336 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:51:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEp7i1020542; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEp62X017536; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEh12X015832 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m203.in-tch.com [216.166.191.203]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTEQgP00711 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:26:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F0A14.8269AC93@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets References: <20021228024213.70932.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228024139.04d2f400@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228152632.04d29d30@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021228195408.0508b420@mail.frys.com> <01a001c2af0b$83924ee0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:43:32 -0700 Status: RO You're safe, Kayta....she still hasn't figured out how to get past the attack l/u/m/p/s -uh- cats. She thought maybe turkey bribes, but they're not into people food. --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Kayta, > > I was thinking after I raided Sue's house for books, that I could raid yours > for buttons. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 09:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14340 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEpCi1020556; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEpB2X017565; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTEjf2X016325 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from DbrhStan@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.bc.319a1eb4 (4320) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: DbrhStan@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] exhibition at Windsor Castle To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc.319a1eb4.2b406483_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:45:23 EST Status: RO --part1_bc.319a1eb4.2b406483_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have removed my name from this list, but I'm still getting the emails. When I go to the site, it says I am not a member, but the emails keep coming. Can anyone tell me what the problem is? --part1_bc.319a1eb4.2b406483_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have removed my name from this list, but I'm still getting the emails. When I go to the site, it says I am not a member, but the emails keep coming. Can anyone tell me what the problem is? --part1_bc.319a1eb4.2b406483_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 10:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14687 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTFY2i1021831; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTFY12X026728; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTFX32X026474 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021229153258.DHCO22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:32:58 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Message-ID: <000001c2af0f$b00c6dd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c2af3e$b7053480$277e79d5@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:55:43 -0500 Status: RO Oh. The good news is that all 3 of those colors are pretty much universal. Hmm, ok, so is it a plaid or pattern? If you tell us all the details, I'm sure *somebody* here can help you figure out what to do with it! One of these days I'm going to web pictures of all of my 'what can I do with this' fabric, and ask the esteemed list for suggestions. (Hush, Penny!) Linda From: h-costume-admin@indra.com On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? Linda wrote: re colours of crepe It would also help if you could be a bit more specific about your preferred time periods... > and places of course! I'm learning that all questions must be prefaced with 'when and where' before one can get a suitable answer! Quite so; apart, that is, from when one is contemplating one's fabric stash. Then it's more of a "what can I do with this piece of black/navy/mustard light/heavyweight silk/wool crepe in a non-corsetted pre-20th century European era?" Which is probably not what you had in mind... thanks and best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 11:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14921 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTGA3i1023142; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTGA12X004339; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTG9C2X004157 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-121-126-39.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.39] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Sfzz-0002Zz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:09:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c2af55$30fa82c0$277e79d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000001c2af0f$b00c6dd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:13:14 -0000 Status: RO Linda wrote > Oh. Yep. That is the usual response to fabric stash broodings; they bear no resemblance to rational thought processes. Theoretically one should proceed as Bjarne does; decide upon a project and buy the fabric needed for that project. In practise I see good fabric at a good price and I buy it, and wonder what on earth I'm going to do with it at a later date. >The good news is that all 3 of those colors are pretty much > universal. Hmm, ok, so is it a plaid or pattern? No; plain fabrics tend to be the mainstay of my stash. That way I can delude myself that they're much more useful, since they will go with anything. Provided, that is, that I can ever bring myself to take scissors to them, and , of course, can think of something to make. > If you tell us all the > details, I'm sure *somebody* here can help you figure out what to do > with it! > One of these days I'm going to web pictures of all of my 'what can I do > with this' fabric, and ask the esteemed list for suggestions. (Hush, > Penny!) Now there's a thought. The process of acquiring a web camera and learning how to use it, and learning how to upload things to the web, and so on would take a goodly length of time during which it would be perfectly justifiable not to actually cut the fabric. A sort of festina lente approach, which has its attractions. Unfortunately I am rapidly running out of space and need to actually use some fabric... best wishes Stevie > > Linda > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com On Behalf Of Stevie Gamble > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? > > Linda wrote: > > re colours of crepe > > It would also help if you could be a bit more specific about your > preferred time > periods... > > and places of course! I'm learning that all questions must be > prefaced with 'when and where' before one can get a suitable answer! > > Quite so; apart, that is, from when one is contemplating one's fabric > stash. Then it's more of a "what can I do with this piece of > black/navy/mustard light/heavyweight silk/wool crepe in a > non-corsetted pre-20th century European era?" > > Which is probably not what you had in mind... > > thanks and best wishes > Stevie > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 12:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15564 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHY3i1025689; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHY1u1021221; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHXBu1021011 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p16.directcon.net [206.170.184.115]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBTHX1OP023089; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:33:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021229093701.00dd1d50@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Xmas gifts In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021227000034.00b975c8@radiks.net> References: <20021227000103.4322.35727.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:37:01 -0800 Status: RO At 12:09 AM 12/27/2002 -0600, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: My main gift (from Pierre) was a bag/jar/etc. >vacuum-sealer. This will let me buy more stuff in bulk and vac-seal it for >the freezer. > Joining the caffeine deprived this morning, I read this and wondered why one would need to freeze one's bulk notions and trim. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 12:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15779 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHw2i1026431; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHw1u1025946; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTHv8u1025778 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:57:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002122917570200100i64n9e>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:57:02 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021229094310.00a66d40@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: fabric purge (Was:Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets) In-Reply-To: <3E0EB7C5.4060609@misc.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:46:50 -0800 Status: RO I am in the Sacramento area, and I regularly purge my fabric, patterns, etc. One of the local sewing machine shops, Meisseners, collects any kind of sewing stuff and distributes it to local groups such as the women's shelter and a boy's prison that makes clothes and quilts for preemies at a hospital. As I see it, we all win. Maryann At 12:52 AM 12/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: >To Kayta= > >Your mention of a doll club interests me...I just did a major purge of >fabric from my disorderly piles and am looking for somewhere/one >interested in it. Is your group in the SF Bay Area perchance? And, would >they like more donations??? > >Thanks for your time, > >Theresa Eacker > >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > (Pruning) > >and now I have 4 more boxes waiting for the thrift store or for >>the quilters at my doll club. >>Kayta >> //// \\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> ((( <> )))) >> ) (((((( >>/----\ /---\)) >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 13:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15849 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:05:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTI51i1026688; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTI50u1027373; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTI4Su1027244 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gBTI4I6G046596 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200212291804.gBTI4I6G046596@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced?-- silly To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Dec 28, 2002 03:57:07 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO mmmm Middle eastern specials at Ti Couz... sounds wonderful! .heather. > > Crimes? But a "date crepe" is simply one of the dessert alternatives > at that wonderful Breton pancake restaurant in the city .... > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 13:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16176 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:44:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTIi1i1028812; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTIi0u1006064; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBTIhIu1005765 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWmZkZKvLLDLDCcPg5x/WVKN3IjEHPw0K5w=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HL8GQHAS; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:42:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Message-ID: <20021229.134336.-436565.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 15-16,25-26,30-32 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:12:50 -0500 Status: RO Guess I was one of the lucky ones. My mother cooked (Southern so mostly fried) and did it well. I grew up smelling bread rising in the kitchen and we had home made bread, rolls, biscuits, and such for every meal. She taught me to sew when I was too small to reach the treadle on the sewing machine. I remember sitting on the front porch with her and hemming handkerchiefs for my father. I learned simple embroidery before I started school. But mother did not knit or crochet or tat. I learned these later in life and love to knit and tat. Don't really care much for crochet though for some reason. Growing up with cooking and sewing made it so much easier to go on to more complicated stuff as I became interested. On the other hand, I hated my HomeEc sewing class and didn't sew a thing for several years after taking it. Cooking was ok except when we had to eat something I didn't like, though the only thing I learned from the class was how to dip chocolates. The rest I had learned at home. Oh yes, I did get a good recipe for some ice box cookies that my mother and I both used for years. Any school that doesn't offer these classes in an interesting fashion is depriving the kids of valuable lessons. In my day girls were not allowed to take shop and I was lucky there too because my father didn't feel that way and I learned to use his tools. I can do more home repair than a lot of younger men now. Schools are too oriented towards to science and grades, grades, grades. Some kids will not be able to go to college (at the price of college these days, I don't see how anyone can) and it is better to give high school students a well rounded education so that they can at least sew on a button or hammer a nail. Sorry, this is one of my favorite soapboxes. On a costume note, I remember all my costumes for school plays and Halloween were made of crepe paper and we just prayed that it wouldn't rain. Times do change and not always for the worse. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 13:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16196 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTIk0i1028931; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTIk0u1006543; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBTIjVu1006420 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-47-99.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.47.99 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Message-ID: <00a101c2af6a$7c6b34b0$632faf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <95.27c1de25.2b3f9eae@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C2AF27.6E0A0150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:45:40 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C2AF27.6E0A0150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, Albert, I can't resist commenting! I went to see Chicago Friday night (limited release, twenty six miles = from my home, grrr.) and I felt it was amazing. While I enjoyed the = experience of Moulin Rouge, I found little to amaze me other than some = of the costumes, which of course, I never really saw except for flashes = anyway. They were fanciful, as was the movie, but back to Chicago... I just loved it. I will say I love movie musicals and want them back. = I grew up with the era of musicals, I produce musical theater and it's = something I think we miss in our culture. That said, I hate the casting = of "stars" instead of singers to play in the few musicals that get = produced. =20 I had none of these problems once the film began to roll. I love the = twenties (back to obligatory costume content) and the period was = captured beautifull. I do believe Ms. Zellwegger is wearing antique 20s = underwear in the scene where she shoots Frankie, her lover. The dance = costumes were just well, to die for. Colleen Atwood (Sleepy Hollow) = took some really smashing underwear details from the period and used = them fancifully throughout her dance costuming. I wasnt' sure if the = dance costumes were shorter than they would have been (they looked = almost like skaters costumes but way skimpier) but I didn't care. =20 The acting was outstanding. Renee Zellwegger was the perfect 20s moll. = She was alternately ditsy and hard, but at all times very believable and = I wasn't busy thinking that's Renee Zellwegger, she was Roxie Hart. In = fact she looked so 20s sleazy at the opening of the film I wasn't = positive it was even her. Catherine Zeta-Jones is also very good, but = not as believably from the 20s. There is a modern edge to her = performance that is there, but not enough to be distracting and they = both sing and dance amazingly. This is not a show that calls for great = voices and the really difficult numbers were cut. The 70s drek from the = stage play isn't there, it's fresh and amazing and Cell Block Tango was = just breathtaking. The director/choreographer Rob Marshall did some = outstanding work. I went with a friend who is an amazing choreographer = and he was impressed and it takes a lot to impress him with dance = numbers. Even Richard Gere was completely believable as Billy Flynn. The = courtroom tap dance scene may be my favorite courtroom scene of all = time. With it's 20s backdrop, the movie focuses on how fleeting fame = is, how the Star/Globe/Enquirer style of journalism glorifies some = pretty nasty deeds and of course, on how the lawyer uses dirty tricks to = get them off in such a way as to make it very topical for todays world. = There are so many parallels to current headlines, it just worked on = every level. Most movies disappoint me these days, but this one did = not. I'd be interested to know if anyone else enjoyed it as much. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "And thus I clothe my naked villany With odd old ends stoln' forth of holy writ, And seem a saint when most I play the devil" Richard III, I, iii - W. Shakespeare =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Russian Ark" Is this film playing near anyone? Has anyone seen it. It sounds = divine! And what about the new "Nicholas Nickleby"? I remember the 8 hour = stage play fondly. Then there's also "Chicago". I wish some of these films would reach us down here in the boonies = instead of the stupid "Lord of the Rings" junk on 15 screens! ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C2AF27.6E0A0150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, Albert, I can't resist=20 commenting!
 
I went to see Chicago Friday night = (limited=20 release, twenty six miles from my home, grrr.) and I felt it was = amazing. =20 While I enjoyed the experience of Moulin Rouge, I found little to amaze = me other=20 than some of the costumes, which of course, I never really saw except = for=20 flashes anyway.  They were fanciful, as was the movie, but back to=20 Chicago...
 
I just loved it.  I will say = I love movie=20 musicals and want them back.  I grew up with the era of musicals, I = produce=20 musical theater and it's something I think we miss in our culture.  = That=20 said, I hate the casting of "stars" instead of singers to play in the = few=20 musicals that get produced. 
 
I had none of these problems once = the film=20 began to roll.  I love the twenties (back to obligatory costume = content)=20 and the period was captured beautifull. I do believe Ms. Zellwegger is = wearing=20 antique 20s underwear in the scene where she shoots Frankie, her = lover. =20 The dance costumes were just well, to die for.  Colleen Atwood = (Sleepy=20 Hollow) took some really smashing underwear details from the period and = used=20 them fancifully throughout her dance costuming.  I wasnt' sure if = the dance=20 costumes were shorter than they would have been (they looked almost like = skaters=20 costumes but way skimpier) but I didn't care. 
 
The acting was outstanding.  = Renee=20 Zellwegger was the perfect 20s moll. She was alternately ditsy and hard, = but at=20 all times very believable and I wasn't busy thinking that's Renee = Zellwegger,=20 she was Roxie Hart.  In fact she looked so 20s sleazy at the = opening of the=20 film I wasn't positive it was even her.  Catherine Zeta-Jones is = also very=20 good, but not as believably from the 20s.  There is a modern edge = to her=20 performance that is there, but not enough to be distracting and they = both sing=20 and dance amazingly.  This is not a show that calls for great = voices and=20 the really difficult numbers were cut.  The 70s drek from the stage = play=20 isn't there, it's fresh and amazing and Cell Block Tango was just=20 breathtaking.  The director/choreographer Rob Marshall did some = outstanding=20 work.  I went with a friend who is an amazing choreographer and he = was=20 impressed and it takes a lot to impress him with dance = numbers.
 
Even Richard Gere was completely = believable as=20 Billy Flynn.  The courtroom tap dance scene may be my favorite = courtroom=20 scene of all time.  With it's 20s backdrop, the movie focuses = on how=20 fleeting fame is, how the Star/Globe/Enquirer style of journalism = glorifies=20 some pretty nasty deeds and of course, on how the lawyer uses dirty = tricks to=20 get them off in such a way as to make it very topical for todays = world. =20 There are so many parallels to current headlines, it just worked on = every=20 level.  Most movies disappoint me these days, but this one did = not. =20 I'd be interested to know if anyone else enjoyed it as = much.
 
angela
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Angela F. = Lazear
Cabbage Rose=20 Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
Theatrical=20 Costume Design
 
"And thus I clothe my naked=20 villany
 With odd old ends stoln' forth of holy = writ,
 And seem=20 a saint when most I play the devil"
Richard III, I, iii - W.=20 Shakespeare
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AlbertCat@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 28, = 2002 4:41=20 PM
Subject: [h-cost] "Russian = Ark"

Is this=20 film playing near anyone? Has anyone seen it. It sounds = divine!

And=20 what about the new "Nicholas Nickleby"? I remember the 8 hour stage = play=20 fondly.

Then there's also "Chicago".


I wish some of = these=20 films would reach us down here in the boonies instead of the stupid = "Lord of=20 the Rings" junk on 15 screens! = ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C2AF27.6E0A0150-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 14:35:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16665 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:35:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTJZ2i1000907; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTJZ0u1018043; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTJYUu1017927 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.72.2802d155 (25508) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2802d155.2b40a83c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chicago To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.2802d155.2b40a83c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:34:20 EST Status: RO --part1_72.2802d155.2b40a83c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great review. So positive and upbeat without fawning over the thing. "Chicago" is one of the few musicals I actually like [He likes something???!!!] ...though I can't remember anything about the 2nd act [a problem I have with a lot of Sonheim]. I will look forward to it, since it will probably make it down here, unlike "Russian Ark". --part1_72.2802d155.2b40a83c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great review. So positive and upbeat without fawning over the thing.

"Chicago" is one of the few musicals I actually like [He likes something???!!!] ...though I can't remember anything about the 2nd act [a problem I have with a lot of Sonheim].

I will look forward to it, since it will probably make it down here, unlike "Russian Ark". --part1_72.2802d155.2b40a83c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 16:14:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17323 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:14:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLE3i1004044; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLE1u1009705; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLDwu1009674 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLGBmm024667 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:16:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0F65EC.7060203@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: fabric purge (Was:Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets) References: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20021229034552.00a68770@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:15:24 -0800 Status: RO To Kayta- Thanks so much for your insights - I'd hate just to chuck what is really usable fabric, so maybe I'll find a happy home for my bags. Theresa EAcker Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Your mention of a doll club interests me...I just did a major purge of >> fabric from my disorderly piles and am looking for somewhere/one >> interested in it. Is your group in the SF Bay Area perchance? And, >> would they like more donations?? > > > Two doll clubs, actually. One is The Flying Phoebes, based in Fremont, > and the other one is Gals and Dolls, based in San Jose. Also, tho I'm > no longer a member, the Quilt Museum in downtown San Jose often can use > quilt-able fabric, as they sometimes do charity quilts. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 16:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17381 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLa1i1004688; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLa0u1014599; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLZEu1014456 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLbSmm025246 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:37:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3E0F6AE9.4080609@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: fabric purge (Was:Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets) References: <4.3.1.2.20021228143734.050f5df0@mail.frys.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20021229094310.00a66d40@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:36:41 -0800 Status: RO Oh, more great ideas. Thanks for your input. I like the women's shelter ideas, we've got at least two that I know of in my part of San Mateo. Theresa Eacker MaryAnn Jones wrote: > I am in the Sacramento area, and I regularly purge my fabric, patterns, > etc. One of the local sewing machine shops, Meisseners, collects any > kind of sewing stuff and distributes it to local groups such as the > women's shelter and a boy's prison that makes clothes and quilts for > preemies at a hospital. As I see it, we all win. Maryann > > At 12:52 AM 12/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >> To Kayta= >> >> Your mention of a doll club interests me...I just did a major purge of >> fabric from my disorderly piles and am looking for somewhere/one >> interested in it. Is your group in the SF Bay Area perchance? And, >> would they like more donations??? >> >> Thanks for your time, >> >> Theresa Eacker >> >> Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> (Pruning) >> >> and now I have 4 more boxes waiting for the thrift store or for >> >>> the quilters at my doll club. >>> Kayta >>> //// \\\ >>> ////-@@\\\ >>> (((( 7 ))) >>> ((( <> )))) >>> ) (((((( >>> /----\ /---\)) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 16:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17406 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:46:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLj6i1004984; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLj5u1016596; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLiQu1016451 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:44:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ACB913CF0068; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:44:25 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACB93C80132; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:44:25 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c2af83$8219ca20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000001c2aef2$aaf692c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents and fabric diets X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:44:46 -0500 Status: RO LOL!!! Your right Linda... we went to a lady's who might as well owned a fabric shop! See I didn't tell you there were two real fabric shops right down the road from the ladies house!!!! I wised up. I am a sucker for book stores too. The owner was really nice to let us look at the books so long. I am glad you found your dining room. Robin gave good advice. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 16:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17431 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLx2i1005854; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLx1u1020049; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTLwpu1020023 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A01A8A9E004A; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:58:50 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A01A32A013A; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:58:50 -0600 Message-ID: <005d01c2af85$856e3a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <01ad01c2af0c$63db9b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0F08D0.A73BA0D@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:59:10 -0500 Status: RO > Now, of course, that I'm on the *other* side of the Evil Divide, ROTFLMBO~~~~~~~~ I love this... the Evil Divide!! I call when my kids go through puberty, "They go to the Dark Side of the Force!" Now that Katie is in puberty and has PMS... she has shown me how BAD the Dark Side of the Force is!! Save me Yoda!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17448 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM41i1006247; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM41u1021246; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM3Iu1021028 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:03:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTLkxP20392 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:47:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F7142.398EE546@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Source for large quantities of soutache braid Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:03:46 -0700 Status: RO Wasn't someone, a long time ago (like, maybe, last summer?) looking for a source for large quantities of soutache braid? Katya maybe? Well, this afternoon, while my dishes were soaking and I was going through old emails, I checked out one that someone'd posted about Greenberg and Hammer's website finally being up (Wa-hoo!). One of the things they sell is 144-yd. spools of soutache. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=287 They don't have all of their stuff available, but it's definitely been worth the wait! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:10:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17458 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:10:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM92i1006449; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM91u1022437; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBTM6Yu1021893 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:06:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021229220633.57721.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:06:33 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <40.295b4a0f.2b3f941f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/2002 5:51:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net writes: > > > > Sarsanet > > I believe "sarsanet" is shot silk--that is, one color threads in the warp and > > another in the weft. In 17th c. terms it is the cheapest silk available. ...unless my brain is still addled from the sea-sickness while crossing the rough English channel. Pooey. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17467 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMA0i1006509; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMA0u1022724; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM9Zu1022631 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTLrGP22132 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:53:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F72BB.6C667E89@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for large quantities of soutache braid References: <3E0F7142.398EE546@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:10:03 -0700 Status: RO Ooops. Sorry. I think I misspelled Kayta's name. *sigh* --sue, going away now..... Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Wasn't someone, a long time ago (like, maybe, last summer?) looking for > a source for large quantities of soutache braid? Katya maybe? > Well, this afternoon, while my dishes were soaking and I was going > through old emails, I checked out one that someone'd posted about > Greenberg and Hammer's website finally being up (Wa-hoo!). > One of the things they sell is 144-yd. spools of soutache. > http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=287 > They don't have all of their stuff available, but it's definitely been > worth the wait! > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17471 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM96i1006461; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM96u1022468; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTM8vu1022389 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTLqbP21924 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:52:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F7295.664363E1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny References: <01ad01c2af0c$63db9b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0F08D0.A73BA0D@in-tch.com> <005d01c2af85$856e3a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:09:25 -0700 Status: RO My mom used to threaten to chain me in the basement till *that* was all over with for the month. Your mother would probably just call it "payback." Mine would have, if I'd ever had kids. --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > Now, of course, that I'm on the *other* side of the Evil Divide, > > ROTFLMBO~~~~~~~~ I love this... the Evil Divide!! > > I call when my kids go through puberty, "They go to the Dark Side of the > Force!" Now that Katie is in puberty and has PMS... she has shown me how > BAD the Dark Side of the Force is!! Save me Yoda!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17493 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMF2i1006744; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMF1u1024072; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMEQu1023914 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBTLw7P23477 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:58:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E0F73DE.CCA9DFB5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? References: <20021229220633.57721.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:14:54 -0700 Status: RO Welcome home, Nicole...hope you had a lovely holiday with your family! Ferry, huh? How long does it take to get across the Channel? I was completely thrilled, when crossing the Irish Sea this fall that a) it was completely smooth, and b) only took 2 hours. --sue, so instantly motion-sick she can't even ride the carousel N Kipar wrote: > > In 17th c. terms it is the cheapest silk available. > > ...unless my brain is still addled from the sea-sickness while crossing the > rough English channel. Pooey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 17:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17502 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMG2i1006836; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBTMG2u1024333; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBTMF7u1024097 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021229221507.58328.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:15:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for large quantities of soutache braid To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E0F7142.398EE546@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:15:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO That might have been me Sue, back in 2000, for my 1660s shoes (though it might have been someone else after that). Found some since then in Germany. Cheers :-) Nicole --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Wasn't someone, a long time ago (like, maybe, last summer?) looking for > a source for large quantities of soutache braid? Katya maybe? > Well, this afternoon, while my dishes were soaking and I was going > through old emails, I checked out one that someone'd posted about > Greenberg and Hammer's website finally being up (Wa-hoo!). > One of the things they sell is 144-yd. spools of soutache. > http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=287 > They don't have all of their stuff available, but it's definitely been > worth the wait! > --sue > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 19:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17915 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU033i1011900; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU031u1019757; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU02Eu1019583 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7W00C90O3P0A@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for large quantities of soutache braid In-reply-to: <3E0F7142.398EE546@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021229160126.00a81f00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:02:05 -0800 Status: RO >Wasn't someone, a long time ago (like, maybe, last summer?) looking for >a source for large quantities of soutache braid? Katya maybe? Me, yes. Thanx for the info. >Well, this afternoon, while my dishes were soaking and I was going >through old emails, I checked out one that someone'd posted about >Greenberg and Hammer's website finally being up (Wa-hoo!). >One of the things they sell is 144-yd. spools of soutache. >http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=287 >They don't have all of their stuff available, but it's definitely been >worth the wait! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 20:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18422 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU1j4i1015615; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU1j1u1015254; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU1iUu1015121 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (octy2151.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.233.151]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU1iVkb001688 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0FA5FA.C1145EA5@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ur=FBk=2Dhai?= costume LOTR References: <3E0E0AB3.5010807@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:48:42 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Deredere, there are some miniature figures of Uruk-Hai from the LotR movies available in the US that are rather detailed, and have the ability of being viewed 360 degrees. Perhaps they are available to you over there in toy stores or shops catering to Role Playing/Gaming/Comic Books. I just saw the movie yesterday, and was so impressed by it. I saw John Howe's vision in many of the looks, especially the armor of the Rohan and the soldiers of Gondor. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 21:01:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18506 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:01:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU212i1016182; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU211u1018352; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU20Qu1018223 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:00:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (octy2151.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.233.151]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU20Skb025622 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0FA9B7.76F17BA3@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3E0D1525.423A6C40@dandy.net> <002d01c2ae39$58e27440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:04:39 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Penny, that's great. He is on his way to what I hope will be a great career. Please tell him to look into motion picture work when and if he has the time. Right now, that is not my bread and butter, as the hours are long and it takes me away from my family, but it could put him into six figures if he choses to push himself as he has already done. There are folks on this list (Albert, are you out there?) that can attest to the good wages in our business that can be made. Your son can still be a member of a union and work as a private contractor. It depends on the state laws as to whether it is better financially. I do both, and find that I work harder as a private contractor, and make the same money, here in the Northeast. I'm sure that he is the envy of all of his peers that have to trudge to work at the local hamburger emporium. Good Luck to him and to you, and Thank You for helping him to find his path, I hope he is happy. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 22:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18826 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:39:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3d2i1019788; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3d0u1009649; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3cKu1009511 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:38:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBU49MaB014805; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:09:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBU49LAo014803; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:09:21 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Lalah T Tillinghast Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021229.134336.-436565.0.catpurson@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20021229.134336.-436565.0.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212292309.21662.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBU3cKu1009511 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:09:21 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 29 December 2002 01:12 pm, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: [text cut here] > > Any school that doesn't offer these classes in an interesting > fashion is depriving the kids of valuable lessons. In my day girls were > not allowed to take shop and I was lucky there too because my father > didn't feel that way and I learned to use his tools. Good for your father. I wish mine had been more broadminded in that respect. That *is* one useful function classes like Shop and Home Ec can (and maybe should) still serve--exposing boys and girls to skills that may still, in their home environments, be associated only with the opposite sex. -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Dec 29 22:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18834 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:41:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3f1i1019914; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3f0u1010240; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU3eUu1010092 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:40:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBU4BVaB014820; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:11:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gBU4BUVo014818; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:11:30 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Stevie Gamble" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date crepe introduced? User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000001c2af0f$b00c6dd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <001b01c2af55$30fa82c0$277e79d5@dan> In-Reply-To: <001b01c2af55$30fa82c0$277e79d5@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200212292311.30520.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBU3eUu1010092 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:11:30 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 29 December 2002 11:13 am, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Linda wrote > > > Oh. > > Yep. That is the usual response to fabric stash broodings; they bear > no resemblance to rational thought processes. Theoretically one should > proceed as Bjarne does; decide upon a project and buy the fabric > needed for that project. In practise I see good fabric at a good price > and I buy it, and wonder what on earth I'm going to do with it at a > later date. I generally don't buy fabric without a project in mind. I almost always buy it with a particular project in mind--though sometimes it takes me years to get to doing the project.... Trim, on the other hand, I *will* buy just to have it, if it's neat enough.... -- Cathy Raymond "If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 00:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19119 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:07:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU566i1024227; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU561u1029834; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (gtwy.nap.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU55au1029709 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from there (d60-99-237.try.wideopenwest.com [65.60.237.99]) by pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBU55oH10878 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:05:50 -0600 Message-Id: <200212300505.gBU55oH10878@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michelle Plumb To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Looking for ebay dealer Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:05:56 -0500 Status: RO Hello, all. Does anyone know what happened to Saeed Ahmed, the silk velvet seller on ebay? He was in Pakistan, and had velvet in colors to die for. I haven't bought from him in a year or so, and he seems to have dropped off the radar. Poot. I wanted some of the rosy brown and the moss green! Thanks, Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 01:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19237 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU651i1025870; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU650u1013066; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU64gu1012973 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:04:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7X008CA4VMDH@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021229201622.03e77da8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Personal costume-and-related book libraries Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:04:24 -0500 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: >You will gather the books over time. Watch eBay... especially auctions that >end late at night or on weekends and you can pick up some good deals. B&N >stores is also a place to watch the clearance racks. I hate paying full >price for any book. Also look for any discount and/or used-book stores that you can get to in person, libraries selling off old/used/ratty books, etc. Many of my art books I got at the local discount bookstore ( Strand Books, http://www.strandbooks.com ), on my lunch hour: the Fulton Street Annex appears to be where most of their art collection is housed. I find all sorts of buys on the dollar rack, the used-book racks, the paper racks... Depending on the period you're doing, you may also want to look for old auction catalogs. Strand sells lots of these, but most of the items for auction are much later than the period I'm dealing with (16th Century, mostly England and the current British Isles) -- not to mention that there's a lot of antique furniture to wade through! Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 01:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19241 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU65Ei1025881; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU65Eu1013139; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU64ou1013010 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:04:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H7X008BF4VV93@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:04:44 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021229204636.03e77da8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] OT: Home Ec and the Education Curriculum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:04:33 -0500 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: >Strange that your state is trying to push out tech/life skills. My state is >trying to push them. New York, as I recall from my years in school (June will be 25 years since I graduated a Long Island high school, EEK!!!), tends to think of these as the usual "business" curriculum and the pre-college curriculum: things like typing, steno (if that is still taught!), marketing, etc. It's pretty much expected, especially around the major cities and more affluent suburbs, that all students will attend *at minimum* a two-year community college. >Most of the school systems in our metro have a >technical school so kids attend and learn a trade. It has come to the >realization that not all kids go to college and someday we will need to >replace the baby boomers in the work force. On Long Island, this used to be covered by BOCES (Board of Cooperative Educational Services), which had a day program for students who would never be able to make it into the most easy admission community college. They also had Adult Education at night... >As for the Home Ec. I think it is really important that kids learn these >life skills. Not only the sewing but how to cook, etiquette, etc. Most >kids are not learning it at home. Well, etiquette was never part of Home Ec, as far as I know. What little I remember (I skipped out of the Home Ec curriculum as quickly as I could, since I was by that age already advanced beyond what the curriculum covered, and when I had the choice between Home Ec, Music, and Fine Art, Music was definitely the preferred course) was that Home Ec covered cooking from mixes and simple recipes, and sewing from a pattern. Etiquette was something you learned at home, or in a highly-structured nursery school (for which I will forever thank my mother's parents, may they rest in peace!), or in charm school... or, for the more esoteric stuff, in a cosmopolitan college, a finishing school, or by reading (I had never even heard of fish knives and forks before they were mentioned in a home-entertaining column of the Boston Globe!)... >When my kid's friends come over, they want to stay for dinner because so few >of them sit down with a family for dinner. I think that is in part a function of single-parent families and two-working-parent families, and long-or-weird-working-hours schedules. Nobody seems to have the time to cook in any more, much less to spend time together before having to rush off to the next appointment in his or her overly structured life... (I am told that today, that starts almost from birth: swimming lessons, doctor's appointments, patternings, music appreciation lessons... structured play dates... Gymboree... get the picture?) >These kids will volunteer to help cook and wash dishes. People would be >shocked to see how many of these kids have never done a chore at home. Sometimes parents are so afraid a child will get something wrong or break something that they're afraid to trust them to cook or wash... or they have a dishwasher, or always use disposable plates, or they have a servant, or they eat take-out (or go out to McDonald's) all the time... >I have been teaching these teenagers how to cook and wash dishes. My >children laugh at the teenagers for volunteering. My kids have done chores >all their life. And you are doing a valuable service teaching these kids how to be self-sufficient when they go out on their own. >Before my kids go to prom, I have an etiquette talk with my sons' dates. >Most kids do not know how to tip a waiter, manners when formal dining Kids? How about adults?! My other half and I are involved in computer user group officers' groups, and every time we are at one of the user group officers' conferences, one of the software manufacturers will sponsor what, for lack of more specific terminology, I'll call a three-fork repast. Even when I'm not the only female at the table, I'll often find everyone will look to me to see which flatware to use, since using more than one fork and one knife at the table (the usual flatware provided at diners and inexpensive "family-style" restaurants) is completely beyond their experience/ken. Mind you, most of the men and women at these tables are ten to twenty years older than I am -- of a generation whose parents, in my experience, always set the dinner table with two forks (salad and main course), and a soup and/or dessert spoon... >How to walk and act in a formal dress. I teach them how to walk up and down >stairs in a formal. This is something I've never learned formally. Best I can do is let the garment tell me how to move... regardless of the garment and its level of formality. OTOH, I'm not going to let the best photograph of the evening escape me by being above plopping down on the floor in my fancy attire to shoot from the cute dancing kid's eye level! >I have found that kids get scared when they don't know what is expected of >them. >Someone has to teach them... Yes, yes, YES! Mom and Dad always tried to keep my sister and me away from wakes, funerals, and memorial services (although we did go along on condolence calls). My first experience with this sort of thing was when one of the (Jewish) grads from our college fencing team died suddenly the next year, and his family sponsored a memorial service in the campus chapel. While I normally would have chafed at the (non-Jewish) fencing coach trying to tell us how to behave at a Jewish ceremony, his was the only example my teammates and I had to follow, as our parents had completely insulated us from death ceremonies and left us unprepared to handle them (even inappropriately or tactlessly!)... >My oldest son is a manager of a Starbucks and hires a lot of young adults. >He said they are so lacking in life skills. The emphasis is on getting high marks on standardized tests. We're raising a society of trained monkeys, not people. AND we're complaining when they can't handle responsibility, with the result that our government -- with the willing compliance of these people -- is methodically taking away our rights and responsibilities. Life skills and knowing how to take responsibility makes it harder for the government to take away people's rights, so they don't want you to learn how to be responsible. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 01:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19331 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU6o2i1027288; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU6o1u1022297; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU6nCu1022097 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.10d.1d523bcf (4418) for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:49:03 -0500 (EST) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for ebay dealer To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:49:03 EST Status: RO --part1_10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe he is now selling under this ID at Ebay. 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Hope this helps --part1_10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 02:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25937 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:22:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU7M1i1028314; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU7M0u1029327; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBU7LLu1029197 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from adsl-64-175-47-99.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@64.175.47.99 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 07:21:20 -0000 Message-ID: <005001c2afd4$13aa4a50$632faf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <72.2802d155.2b40a83c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2AF91.053F7A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:21:31 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2AF91.053F7A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert, Thanks for the feedback. I can't wait to see if it was just a good night = or if the film was as good as I thought. I usually spend the whole = movie seeing flaws, and this was much fun. I did notice that the prison = "Mama"'s earrings and necklace didn't match at all in her big number and = I simply can't fathom why they didn't bother, because they don't even go = together well, but small detail. You meant to say "Kander & Ebb"? Or comparing it to Sondheim? =20 "Chicago" is one of the few musicals I actually like [He likes = something???!!!] ...though I can't remember anything about the 2nd act = [a problem I have with a lot of Sonheim].=20 Russian Ark is the one shot in a day at the Hermitage, yes? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason:=20 I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2AF91.053F7A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Albert,
 
 
Thanks for the feedback. I can't = wait to see=20 if it was just a good night or if the film was as good as I = thought.  I=20 usually spend the whole movie seeing flaws, and this was much fun. I did = notice=20 that the prison "Mama"'s earrings and necklace didn't match at all in = her big=20 number and I simply can't fathom why they didn't bother, because they = don't even=20 go together well, but small detail.

 
 You meant to say "Kander & Ebb"? Or = comparing it=20 to Sondheim? =20

"Chicago" is one of the few musicals I actually like [He = likes=20 something???!!!] ...though I can't remember anything about the 2nd act = [a=20 problem I have with a lot of Sonheim].
 
Russian Ark is the one shot in a = day at the=20 Hermitage, yes?
angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
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"I have no=20 other but a woman's reason:
I think him so, because I think him=20 so."
Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W.=20 Shakespeare
 
 
 
 

 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2AF91.053F7A00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 03:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07358 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:09:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU886i1029328; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:08:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU881u1008560; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU87Tu1008415 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AEBE90670076; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:07:26 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AEBB5B70118; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:07:23 -0600 Message-ID: <003401c2afda$4e6ea2c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021229204636.03e77da8@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Home Ec and the Education Curriculum X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:06:06 -0500 Status: RO I replied to Brenda off-list. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 04:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28256 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU941i1000441; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU940u1018834; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU93Bu1018671 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:03:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489D9115F2A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip239.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.239]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8507A115F22 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:00:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04de01c2afe1$974e2ae0$ef614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021229.134336.-436565.0.catpurson@juno.com> <200212292309.21662.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:58:14 -0500 Status: RO . In my day girls were > > not allowed to take shop and I was lucky there too because my father > > didn't feel that way and I learned to use his tools. > > Good for your father. I wish mine had been more broadminded in that respect. > > That *is* one useful function classes like Shop and Home Ec can (and maybe > should) still serve--exposing boys and girls to skills that may still, in > their home environments, be associated only with the opposite sex. My dad didn't teach me to use tools, but he used to let me watch him down in his workshop, and I loved it. The only thing he built that I really remember was a doolhouse for. It was nothing fancy, but I loved it! When my DH told HIS dad that he had bought me a jig saw for Christmas, my FIL laughed. My dad said "So, what are you going to make first?" Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 04:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02030 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:48:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU9m2i1001361; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU9m1u1027221; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBU9l3u1027094 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A617F490004A; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:47:03 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A60E581014E; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:46:54 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c2afe8$203653e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] OT: 2002 Web Page Design Mistakes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:44:54 -0500 Status: RO I thought this might be helpful to those who own webpages: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20021223.html Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 07:35:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00623 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUCY4i1005786; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUCY1u1027140; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUCVuu1026746 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBUCVtC26876 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [136.152.196.194] (tnt-1-2.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.194]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gBUCVkD26822 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:31:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021228.172054.-559203.2.catpurson@juno.com> References: <20021228.172054.-559203.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Working with glasses/bifocals - Penny Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:18:08 -0800 Status: RO At 5:20 PM -0500 12/28/02, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > I had the progressive lens several years ago and hated them. I >was always trying to find the right place to look through. There was no >side to side sight with mine. If they have improved so I don't have to >turn my head from side to side to see anything that isn't right in front >of me, I might be interested in trying them again. I imagine this sort of thing is highly individual, depending on one's specific vision problems and how they are corrected. When I got progressive lens glasses, everyone told me that the adjustment period would be awful (but worth it) and that I'd spend a couple weeks tripping over things and whatnot. Instead, I put the new glasses on and suddenly everything simply looked "right" again. So there may be no way to tell if they've fixed your problem without actually trying a new set. Before I got the progressives, I'd gotten to the point where I had to take my glasses off for just about any kind of sewing (or other close-up work). Now I'm back to being able to do most stuff with glasses on, although if I'm doing fine work like embroidery or beading I still tend to do it w/o glasses, simply so I can use the whole field of vision. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 08:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00907 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:38:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDb8i1007524; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDb4u1011373; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDZUu1010862 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:24:37 -0800 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:24:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 13:24:37.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCCD8AB0:01C2B006] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:24:37 -0800 Status: RO >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I haven't ordered it yet, but I'm getting the color fashion plates "Godey's" book from Amazon.com. It will be the only directly costume related gift this year but I did get what I really wished for... I now have a bath mat that makes my hot soak a bubbling, relaxing, nigh on decadent experience after a long day cutting and sewing. ;) It has been so fun reading about the wonderful gifts you've all recieved and given this year. It is a pleasure to be part of such an amazing group of people. Thank You, Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 08:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01001 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDw3i1008628; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDw1u1017746; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDuwu1017412 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBUDuv11001846 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:56:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for ebay dealer In-Reply-To: <10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:56:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh, WOW... gorgeous stuff! Maybe when I have some money again... Can I have 10 yards in every color? ;) Seriously, is this guy a reputable dealer? I'd love to make, oh, several jackets, pillows, bedcovers, whatever in this stuff, it looks so luxurious! -- Mara On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 Osmondia@aol.com wrote: > I believe he is now selling under this ID at Ebay. I was told he had some > problems with his previous ID > > www_classicfabric_com > > Hope this helps > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 08:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01007 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDttip008503; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDpWu1015824; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUDoAu1015501 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBUDo711001023; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Lalah T Tillinghast Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing In-Reply-To: <200212292309.21662.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:50:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > Good for your father. I wish mine had been more broadminded in that respect. > > That *is* one useful function classes like Shop and Home Ec can (and maybe > should) still serve--exposing boys and girls to skills that may still, in > their home environments, be associated only with the opposite sex. At my youngest sister's office, everyone got Home Depot gift certificates for Christmas from the boss. He was apologizing to the women, and then said, brightly, 'But they now sell lots of home furnishing stuff there, too'. Sarah thought this was hilariously funny, as between herself and her boyfriend, _she_ is the one most comfortable with power tools, stereo equipment, etc. As sis says, 'Power tools are a girl's best friend.' They certainly go a long way toward making up for a lack of upper-body strength, anyway! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 11:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01557 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUGB4i1014757; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUGB1qi028059; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUGAVqi027835 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:10:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.187.13919a67 (17526) for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:10:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <187.13919a67.2b41c9df@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chicago To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.13919a67.2b41c9df_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:10:07 EST Status: RO --part1_187.13919a67.2b41c9df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/2002 2:23:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes: > You meant to say "Kander & Ebb"? Or comparing it to Sondheim? Yes. Just a comparison. Most of the other musicals I like are Sondheim....or Weil. --part1_187.13919a67.2b41c9df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/2002 2:23:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes:


You meant to say "Kander & Ebb"? Or comparing it to Sondheim? 


Yes. Just a comparison. Most of the other musicals I like are Sondheim....or Weil. --part1_187.13919a67.2b41c9df_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 13:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02232 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:20:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUIM3i1024138; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUIM0qi024757; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21401.mail.yahoo.com (web21401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBUILNqi024530 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021230182123.96376.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.140] by web21401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:21:23 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001701c2aeae$f9714dd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] RE: Valmont Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:21:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Thank you all for your responses on Valmont. I do own Dangerous Liasons as well, I have both in DVD and VHS format now. I would have responded sooner, but I spent most of the last week sewing! I know *very* little about the time period for these two films, and that little because of the one costume book in my library which has a chapter on it. I know quite well that _The Mode in Costume_ is not a really good source, which is why I started talking about it on the list. I'm going to need help figuring out either how to draft patterns for the two of us, or a reputable pattern maker from whom I may purchase a set; and what fabrics/colour combinations would be appropriate. I like both films, but for different reasons. In Dangerous Liasons, yes there are a lot more of the "bigger names" in it, but some of the ages seem so disproportionate. After all, Dulsaney and the convent girl (Claire?) are 17 and 15...and neither look it in DL--much as I adore Keanu Reeves. (grin) However, Meg Tilly's looks in Valmont always strike me as odd...too exotic seeming next to everyone else. As for Amadeus, I always fall alseep watching it. I may like his music, but the film just drags on and on. Angharat ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 13:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02455 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUIn2i1026241; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUIn1qi007479; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUIm8qi007042 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:48:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-174.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.174]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id gBUIm6T05251 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:48:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01c2b034$1928fde0$ae07d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] New Pattern Releases Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:48:18 -0500 Status: RO Finally the military coatee patterns we've been waiting for from Past Patterns are released. Five Rivers is carrying them; however, due to our website changing over as of January 1 to a more efficient and user-friendly system (featuring multi-currency display options), they are unavailable for display at the moment. Any queries that arise because of this post should be directed to info@5rivers.org. This shell pattern may be used for military patterns circa 1796-1809. This includes patterns for the Lewis and Clark bicentennial celebrations. The pattern is based on U.S. Army correspondence between 1803-1805 from the National Archives as well as garments and drafting systems. The pattern contains historical notes by Robert G. Stone describing the 1804 artillery coat as well as how to adapt the pattern for use in making a Lewis and Clark private's coat. The pattern also contains illustrated instructions for hand stitches that are typical of early 19th century tailoring. Saundra Ros Altman has written and illustrated the sewing and fitting instructions. This pattern is available in army issue sizes 1 [35], 2 [37] and 3 [39] and modern sizes 4 [41], 5 [43], 6 [45], 7 [47], 8 [49], 9 [51], 10 [53], 11 [55], 12 [57]. Sizes 1 through 3 require 2 Yds.; sizes 4 through 6 require 2-1/4 Yds. of 54 inch wide fabric. $33.00CDN. Also from Past Patterns is the Lewis and Clark Era Front Closing Gown, $41.25CDN. This pattern was pulled, with permission, from the extant garment in the Wayne County Historical Museum in Richmond, Indiana. The gown has no history. It is a house dress. The threads are hand spun and the fabric is hand woven of linen warp and cotton weft. The background is white, interrupted every 7/8 inch by alternate threads of madder red and indigo blue. Unlike today's fabric, the stripes are at a right angle to the salvage. The two lining fabrics were probably cut from scraps. The thread count is approximately 50 warp and 44 weft. Illustrated instructions for sewing the garment by hand are included, however, this is an easy garment to sew by machine. The empire style bodice is cut conservative yet it has the fashionable small back of the period. As a result of the small back the sleeves form the shoulders, creating a very comfortable fit. A casing with drawstrings ties to fit at center front. The bodice is lined. The front lining is loose from the armholes to center front. It crosses over and fastens at center front with straight pins. This front lining does not support the bust. It is to help hold the front closed. A corset is worn with this garment. The pleated skirt is fullest in the back and flat in the front. A 1-1/2 inch tuck at center front raises the skirt over the toes. This pattern is sized 8-14, 16-20, 22-26 in B, C and D cups. Sizes 8 through 14 require 4-1/2 Yds.; sizes 16 through 20 require 5 Yds. and sizes 22 through 26 require 5-1/2 Yds. of 45 inch wide fabric. This pattern is copyrighted and is for personal non-commercial use only. Dressmakers and other commercial users contact Past Patterns. Another great new pattern release is from Country Wives, $15.00CDN! Caps for the Upper Crust features a series of four historically accurate, well-engineered delightful caps, suitable for middle to upper class interpretations from 1790 to 1820. Any queries, direct them to me. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 14:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02541 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:15:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUJH3i1028375; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUJH0sL019477; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp001.nwlink.com (smtp001.nwlink.com [209.20.130.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUJG2sL019116 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from susan (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp001.nwlink.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gBUJG1dX004541 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:01 -0800 Message-ID: <01bf01c2b037$f5717ae0$9debcacf@susan> From: "Susan" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] [h-cost]kyoto book info request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:30 -0800 Status: RO While I didn't get the new kyoto book for christmas, I did get a gift card to a bookstore so I am going to go order it. Could someone who has it send me the isbn number? It would make it so much easier to order. tia Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 15:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03022 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUKwBi1005920; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUKw9c0004336; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (gtwy.nap.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUKvOc0003970 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from there (d60-99-237.try.wideopenwest.com [65.60.237.99]) by pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBUKvm707745 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:57:48 -0600 Message-Id: <200212302057.gBUKvm707745@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michelle Plumb To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for ebay dealer X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <10d.1d523bcf.2b41465f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:57:46 -0500 Status: RO Ooh, thank you! It's good to find him again. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 15:59:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03031 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUL11i1006100; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUL11c0005611; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (gtwy.nap.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUL0Ac0005171 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from there (d60-99-237.try.wideopenwest.com [65.60.237.99]) by pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBUL0Y709804 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:00:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200212302100.gBUL0Y709804@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michelle Plumb To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for ebay dealer X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:00:32 -0500 Status: RO Oh yes, Mara, very reputable! I've dealt with him twice, and he couldn't have been nicer, or provided better service! You should feel this velvet. Mmmmmmm.. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 18:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03445 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUNEAi1014841; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUNE1c0002837; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUNDqc0002764 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:13:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool0530.cvx25-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.218.20] helo=[209.179.216.213]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18T96V-0003s3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:13:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:14:18 -0800 Status: RO I am from that time when only girls took Home Ec. and only boys took shop. We took this for three years in Junior High (1960 to 1963). I envied the boys their opportunity to use a lathe. We also, boys and girls, took three years of typing. This was, i believe, to prepare us for high school and college, when we'd have to type papers. By the time my brother got to junior high (he's three years younger than i am), boys took Home Ec. while the girls took shop, and girls took Home Ec. while the boys took shop each year. I don't know if they had three years of it. I do remember my brother making brownies in his Home Ec. class, something we never did when i took it. My father never taught me to use tools, but then, he didn't known how to use them himself. And my mother didn't teach me to sew because anything that needed sewing she took to a seamstress; all my mom could do was turn a hem, and not that neatly. I certainly didn't learn to cook or sew in Home Ec. I taught myself when i was 18 and living on my own. I think such classes *could* be valuable, but the way i was taught, they certainly weren't. I'm certainly not opposed to them - i think everyone benefits by knowing how to use an actual stove, rather than just a microwave oven (something i don't own), for example. And, i hope, how to buy actual meats, fruits, and vegetables, rather than pre-prepared food that just goes in the microwave. But, then, maybe i'm just old fashioned :-) We also had Drivers Ed. in high school, which, from what i can tell, has been discontinued from many high schools. This discontinuation may be why there are so many awful drivers on the road these days. People often won't even pull over for an emergency vehicle around here. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 18:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03505 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUNW1i1015867; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBUNW0c0010422; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx01.supplyguys.net (mx01.supplyguys.net [65.115.27.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBUNV5c0010016 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20288 invoked by uid 89); 30 Dec 2002 23:13:49 -0000 Received: from 209-206-17-175.dialup.ziplink.net (HELO vivid.net) (209.206.17.175) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 23:13:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3E10D732.41DFF655@vivid.net> From: Wendy Colbert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: wendyc@vivid.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:31:03 -0500 Status: RO I was also in Jr. high during the era when boys took shop and girls took home ec and never the twain shall meet. But I learned to use tools at home and while I was a student at Pitt I was a theater major (tech) and sometimes was shop fore. It was always annoying/amusing to have the frosh guys come in and assume that since I was a girl I couldn't know what I was doing. They would be quite annoyed by the time I had them rip the flat they were building a part for the 3rd time because they couldn't get the corners square, while assuring me they absolutely knew what they were doing. At my son's middle school here in Georgia he took home ec for 6 weeks last year in 7th grade. He got cooking, nutrition and a segment on baby-sitting. It was part of the exploratories. He also to took 6 week segments on French, Spanish, technology, keyboarding and something else that is eluding me. This year he could have again taken 6 weeks of all these different things again or all year chorus, band or art. So he is taking art. 8th grade home ec is sewing. As far as I can tell they don't offer shop. My daughter goes to high school in Illinois, Driver's Ed is a graduation requirement at her high school. It is a public high school. As far as I know it isn't offered at the high school here in Georgia. I have taught both my kids how to sew as and when it interested them. This year my daughter wants to work with my during spring break to make up the dress she has designed for her Senior Prom. Wendy lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > > I am from that time when only girls took Home Ec. and only boys took > shop. We took this for three years in Junior High (1960 to 1963). I > envied the boys their opportunity to use a lathe. We also, boys and > girls, took three years of typing. This was, i believe, to prepare us > for high school and college, when we'd have to type papers. > > By the time my brother got to junior high (he's three years younger > than i am), boys took Home Ec. while the girls took shop, and girls > took Home Ec. while the boys took shop each year. I don't know if > they had three years of it. I do remember my brother making brownies > in his Home Ec. class, something we never did when i took it. > > My father never taught me to use tools, but then, he didn't known how > to use them himself. And my mother didn't teach me to sew because > anything that needed sewing she took to a seamstress; all my mom > could do was turn a hem, and not that neatly. > > I certainly didn't learn to cook or sew in Home Ec. I taught myself > when i was 18 and living on my own. > > I think such classes *could* be valuable, but the way i was taught, > they certainly weren't. > > I'm certainly not opposed to them - i think everyone benefits by > knowing how to use an actual stove, rather than just a microwave oven > (something i don't own), for example. And, i hope, how to buy actual > meats, fruits, and vegetables, rather than pre-prepared food that > just goes in the microwave. > > But, then, maybe i'm just old fashioned :-) > > We also had Drivers Ed. in high school, which, from what i can tell, > has been discontinued from many high schools. This discontinuation > may be why there are so many awful drivers on the road these days. > People often won't even pull over for an emergency vehicle around > here. > > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 19:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03713 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV092i1020746; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV091c0028149; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV08gc0027980 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A00A1864004C; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:08:42 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A00AE51014E; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:08:42 -0600 Message-ID: <009601c2b060$d3968040$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] OT: Driver's Ed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:09:02 -0500 Status: RO Anahita, Driver's Ed is a required course in our high schools. It is taught instead of one semester of PE. Everyone has to take it. If you do not pass, you have to go to a private company and pass the class. Until the age of 18 yo, you have to go to court to receive your license. Even after passing the semester class, the kids have to pay either $100 to the school to take behind the wheel training OR pay $200+ to a private business to take behind the wheel. You can't get your license until the student passes both classes. Virginia has really cracked down on teens driving. And for a good reason... a lot of deaths from car accidents. Six kids from my sons school were killed in one car accident. There were three fatal accidents that month involving teens. Then the state took a hard look at how many kids can be in a car at one time. Then the laws were passed. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 19:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03762 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:28:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV0U3i1023977; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV0U1c0008539; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBV0TOc0008211 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16982 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 00:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.205) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 00:29:23 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c2b063$b0296930$cd42a6d0@bookbusiness> From: "Janet Davis" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" References: <3E10D732.41DFF655@vivid.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:29:30 -0500 Status: RO Kids should be taught cooking anyway as a matter of safety - even those who don't know how will do it when they are hungry. I live in a neighborhood with a number of apartments that are rented to collage students. At least once a year, someone starts a fairly major fire in the process of trying to cook something. When I was young, I got an insurance discount for having taken driver's ed and now I get a discount for number of years without an accident or traffic ticket. I think I should get a house insurance discount for having taken home ec (many years ago) and living many years without starting a grease fire,etc. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Dec 30 20:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03882 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:23:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV1P3i1027904; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV1P1c0026759; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV1OEc0026586 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV1QXmm010545 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3E10F216.2090308@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] [h-cost]kyoto book info request References: <01bf01c2b037$f5717ae0$9debcacf@susan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:25:42 -0800 Status: RO 3-8228-1206-4 Theresa Eacker Susan wrote: > While I didn't get the new kyoto book for christmas, I did get a gift card > to a bookstore so I am going to go order it. Could someone who has it send > me the isbn number? It would make it so much easier to order. > > tia > > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 00:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04759 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5W5i1008351; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5W0c0004595; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5Vbc0004521 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtmoj.dsl.mindspring.com ([199.174.219.19] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TF04-0006zx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:31:36 -0800 Message-ID: <001e01c2b08e$d2732000$13dbaec7@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2B04B.C2384AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] 1894 Dictionary of Textiles History Fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:38:14 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2B04B.C2384AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oooooooooohhh....... have a look at = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D20117&item=3D932= 583386 here is a gem of a book on ebay described as: A Complete Dictionary of Dry Goods=20 and a History of Silk, Cotton, Linen, Wool, and other Fibrous Substances = Including a full explanation of the modern processes of=20 Spinning, Dyeing and Weaving,=20 with an appendix containing a treatise on Window Trimming,=20 German words and phrases, with their English pronunciation and=20 signification together with various useful tables.=20 by George S. Cole=20 Chicago: J. B. Herring Pub. Co., 1894, revised edition (1892).=20 584 pages, illustrated with woodcuts and half tones from photographs.=20 6.5" x 9.25", original brown cloth.=20 This is a scarce book, useful to anyone interested in the history of = textiles, as presented and applied during the late Victorian Era. = References include worldwide orientation to materials, cultivation, = harvest, design, manufacturing, inventory, relevant tables and charts, = statistics of consumption, manufacturers by name (Fruit of the Loom!), = to marketing across the counter, including point of sale floor and = window displaying.=20 Condition: binding shows the result of much use, with wear to all = aspects. There has been effective, if not cosmetic, repair in the past = and the binding remains firmly intact. Pages show age toning, but no = damage. No stains, no tears. The book is complete. Much used and much = cared for book. In nearly 20 years of bookselling, this is the 2nd copy = of this title I've seen, both heavily worn. Trying hard to stick to 16th century, but it is enticing. Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2B04B.C2384AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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A Complete Dictionary of Dry Goods=20

and a History of Silk, Cotton, Linen, Wool, and other Fibrous = Substances=20

Including a full explanation of the modern processes of=20

Spinning, Dyeing and Weaving,=20

with an appendix containing a treatise on Window Trimming,=20

German words and phrases, with their English pronunciation and=20

signification together with various useful tables.=20

by George S. Cole=20

Chicago: J. B. Herring Pub. Co., 1894, revised edition (1892).=20

584 pages, illustrated with woodcuts and half tones from photographs. =

6.5" x 9.25", original brown cloth.=20

This is a scarce book, useful to anyone interested in the history of=20 textiles, as presented and applied during the late Victorian Era. = References=20 include worldwide orientation to materials, cultivation, harvest, = design,=20 manufacturing, inventory, relevant tables and charts, statistics of = consumption,=20 manufacturers by name (Fruit of the Loom!), to marketing across the = counter,=20 including point of sale floor and window displaying.

Condition: binding shows the result of much use, with wear to all = aspects.=20 There has been effective, if not cosmetic, repair in the past and the = binding=20 remains firmly intact. Pages show age toning, but no damage. No stains, = no=20 tears. The book is complete. Much used and much cared for book. In = nearly 20=20 years of bookselling, this is the 2nd copy of this title I've seen, both = heavily=20 worn.

Trying hard to stick to 16th century, = but it is=20 enticing.
 
 
Lisa Sinervo
Threadneedle St. = Clothiers
www.ThreadneedleSt.com<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2B04B.C2384AA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 00:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04807 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:43:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5j2i1008855; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5j1c0008252; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV5iAc0007955 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:44:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtmoj.dsl.mindspring.com ([199.174.219.19] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TFCD-00038i-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:44:09 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c2b090$976a4ae0$13dbaec7@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2B04D.8829B400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Silk Dress Making (Article)-1885 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Lisa Sinervo" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:50:56 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2B04D.8829B400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also interesting = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D29216&item=3D290= 1955685 "This is an article from 1885.=20 There are twenty-two pages with twelve illustrations about turning silk. = This is an old article,and not a copy.=20 See the "me" page for more information.=20 Packaging,and shipping to all international,or world countries:5.88 = air.Mainland USA :4.18 " Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2B04D.8829B400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"This is an=20 article from 1885.

There are twenty-two pages with twelve illustrations about turning = silk.=20

This is an old article,and not a copy.

See the "me" page for more information.=20

Packaging,and shipping to all international,or world countries:5.88=20 air.Mainland USA :4.18 "
Lisa Sinervo
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www.ThreadneedleSt.com<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2B04D.8829B400-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 01:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04859 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV6E2i1009822; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV6E0c0015133; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV6Djc0015048 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:13:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.61.2b692fe5 (16111) for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.131]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-1231011235; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:35 1900 From: Kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <29476163.43EED311.0BD9917F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Ageless Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:34 -0500 Status: RO Greetings All! I am sorry if this has gone through twice, but there seems to have been a glich in the system... So, can anyone tell me anything about Ageless Patterns? Has anyone out there actually used them? I am a little leary of them since they label themselves as "Historic Costumes for Theatrical Costumers". Thanks, Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 02:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05154 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV732i1011244; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV731c0026868; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBV72ac0026764 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24701 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 07:02:35 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 07:02:35 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-138.sonic.net [209.148.112.138]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gBV72Zi12164 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:02:35 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3E114184.AE546A00@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ageless Patterns References: <29476163.43EED311.0BD9917F@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:04:37 -0800 Status: RO Most of the Ageless Patterns are tracings from the pattern sheets in _Harper's Bazar_. I have most of them in the original _Harper's Bazar_ magazines in my collection. I published selections from 1867 and 1868 in my book _Reconstruction Era Fashions_. The _Harper's Bazar_ patterns are given in one size (if you are not that size, you need to alter them). The Ageless Patterns seller has added seam and grain lines. _Harper's Bazar_ gives assembly instructions, and I assume Ageless Patterns reprinted these also. Hope this helps, Fran Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Greetings All! > > I am sorry if this has gone through twice, but there seems to have been a glich in the system... So, can anyone tell me anything about Ageless Patterns? Has anyone out there actually used them? I am a little leary of them since they label themselves as "Historic Costumes for Theatrical Costumers". > > Thanks, > Kit --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 03:11:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05114 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:11:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV8D2i1013016; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV8D1c0012646; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV8Cic0012595 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from bchamber (nat124.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.22.124]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gBV8Ce3R027454 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005901c2b0a4$16615d80$7c168bd1@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: References: <3E10D732.41DFF655@vivid.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Miltered: at mx by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:10:29 -0500 Status: RO From: "Wendy Colbert" >It was always annoying/amusing to have the frosh guys come in and assume that since I> was a girl I couldn't know what I was doing. They would be quite annoyed by the time I had them rip the flat they were building a part for the 3rd time because they couldn't get the corners square, while assuring methey absolutely knew what they were doing. In 7th grade I was one of 2 girls brave enough to venture into the guys' domain of shop. The guys understood the other girl who was a real tom boy, they really couldn't figure out the real "girl" who would show up for shop in a skirt. When they figured out that my grades were higher than theirs they were not pleased. By then I had been sewing seriously for quite a few years. I knew how to read directions and had the fine motor skills most teenage boys lack. Two of the more astute guys (who knew me from outside of shop, one's mother was a seamstress) saw my presence as an advantage. They were nice to me so I helped them. When I ended up in an almost full length leg cast I collected on the favors. The other guy never seemed to figure out why the two were so willing to work with me. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 04:19:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27217 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:19:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9L6i1014778; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9L0c0028523; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9Kwc0028483 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:20:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-106-149.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.106.149]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AOM58775; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:21:39 GMT Message-ID: <04c201c2b0ae$a8eb82c0$0b6e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <29476163.43EED311.0BD9917F@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ageless Patterns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:26:11 -0000 Status: RO I'd say they are not for somebody who is a novice sewer if you know what you are doing and can draft to your size from the pattern they are a good source, but you might as well draft up from a drawing. If you happen to be the right size I would think they are great, but as I'm not it is a matter of drafting :) Useful resource but not for your first Victorian attempt generally IMHO Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 04:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01246 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9Q1i1014869; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9Q0c0029386; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9Psc0029347 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool0055.cvx24-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.210.55] helo=[209.179.216.213]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TIen-0006ci-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:25:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] French Seams? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:26:44 -0800 Status: RO No doubt this has been discussed, but i don't remember any more... Anyone have any idea when French seams or something like them were "invented"? Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 04:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16541 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9l1i1015319; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9l0c0003995; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBV9k7c0003831 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:46:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021231094606.1015.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:46:06 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Seams? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > No doubt this has been discussed, but i don't remember any more... > > Anyone have any idea when French seams or something like them were > "invented"? I know it has, and I know I have been confused before, but which is which again, are the French seams the clipped ones? because run-and-fell (if they are what I think they are) have been found on textile remains from Germanic 1st c. AD bogs (Mel, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read & saw it in my German and Danish textile books :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 04:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16554 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9x2i1015520; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBV9x1c0006227; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBV9w3c0006056 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:58:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:58:02 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! *grins* Since I live in this 1711 town house with its tiny rooms, I have no way whatsoever to cut anything at home. My parents have that big house in the German forest with two guest apartments, and Ben and I always get the big one on the top level. Boy is that living room floor HUGE! *happy dance* I took lots of fabrics with me and cut everything I had ready to cut out, including a half circle cloak. I cut said cloak for the Knight of Shadows costume; the wool for the c. 14th c. but relatively generic nun costume for the Far Isles; Ben's new 1660s coat in beautiful dark blue and bright scarlet worsted wool (red is the lining); the toile for the coat I'll wear for my best friend's wedding made from remains of my mantua (c. 1700 coat but altered, so it is costumey, not authentic!); the toile for a present day pin stripe cool jacket from a modern Vogue pattern that my mum will make for me, trousers are already done; another poet shirt from the Folkwear pattern, this time in black; a huge white shirt that is fantasy type but will be worn at work; the toile for my Elizabethan corset (and went and bought plastic snips for the Wissner boning too :-). Hmm.. I think that was it, I did do some sewing too though, mum keeps a spare sewing machine in that apartment *G* I fell back a bit in my plans because I had that stomach bug for two days over Christmas. bah! All this wonderful german food my mum cooked and I couldn't eat it. Poooey! Nicole - eager to hear from others! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 06:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16848 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVBc4i1017916; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVBc3c0023931; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (dav30.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.22.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVBZ0c0023323 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 04:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:34:55 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [68.32.147.134] From: "Lady Mariota" To: References: <3E10D732.41DFF655@vivid.net> <005901c2b0a4$16615d80$7c168bd1@bchamber> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 11:34:55.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[A429AFC0:01C2B0C0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:30:59 -0500 Status: RO VIVAT~~~ Working with a small group of children of varying ages is very difficult. To hold the attention of a 4 year old and a 12 year old is a feat that deserves an award in itself. Get the desserts ready, it's early, people are just starting to go to work or made most of the purchases at the online site. And thank you for the carriage ride, I've never been on one before. Children here dress very simply, most over-sized T-Tunics with the theory they grown beyond their spiritual needs. With the tunic, if it.s cold they'll add jeans,, Most would wear a belt worn over the shirt tails. Black or brown are the best choices. For example a White belt is used to denote a Knight A Filet and other circlets worn by fellow members are actually demonstration of skill level. So, please don't wear these. As to the rest of your note, I can relate, I was the only girl in my German class, track team,one of 4 in a class of around 200 in Engineering School. Mariota -- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing > From: "Wendy Colbert" > >It was always annoying/amusing to have the frosh guys come in and assume > that since I> was a girl I couldn't know what I was doing. They would be > quite annoyed by the time I had them rip the flat they were building a part > for the 3rd time because they couldn't get the corners square, while > assuring methey absolutely knew what they were doing. > > In 7th grade I was one of 2 girls brave enough to venture into the guys' > domain of shop. The guys understood the other girl who was a real tom boy, > they really couldn't figure out the real "girl" who would show up for shop > in a skirt. When they figured out that my grades were higher than theirs > they were not pleased. By then I had been sewing seriously for quite a few > years. I knew how to read directions and had the fine motor skills most > teenage boys lack. Two of the more astute guys (who knew me from outside of > shop, one's mother was a seamstress) saw my presence as an advantage. They > were nice to me so I helped them. When I ended up in an almost full length > leg cast I collected on the favors. The other guy never seemed to figure out > why the two were so willing to work with me. > > Beth Chamberlain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 07:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16978 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:39:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVCf2i1019548; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVCf0c0005975; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVCeDc0005737 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:40:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBVCeC11011923 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ageless Patterns In-Reply-To: <29476163.43EED311.0BD9917F@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I ordered a few patterns from them. Basically, they are period patterns, in one size (the size of the original pattern), though she's redrafted a few to have multiple sizes. The instructions that come with the patterns are those that came with the original patterns as well, so if you're not familiar with period tailoring techniques (which the instructions assume you'd know), they can be a bit baffling. When sewing the man's sack coat pattern, I had to dig out a book I (luckily) had on 19th c. men's tailoring -- but even that wasn't as much help as I'd have liked, as that book, written in the period, also assumed more knowledge of period tailoring techniques than I actually had. And the pattern had to be redrafted to fit the person I was making it for, of course. On the other hand, I hadn't been able to find a good sack coat pattern anywhere else, so IF you are good at redrafting, and IF you are confident enough with period sewing techniques (or don't mind fudging it a bit with modern techniques), then you might be just fine. That's probably why she advertises the patterns the way she does; they're definitely not for beginners. She's offering a service that few others do, though -- reprinting (well, redrawing and printing) original patterns as-is. Cheers, Mara On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Greetings All! > > I am sorry if this has gone through twice, but there seems to have been a glich in the system... So, can anyone tell me anything about Ageless Patterns? Has anyone out there actually used them? I am a little leary of them since they label themselves as "Historic Costumes for Theatrical Costumers". > > Thanks, > Kit > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 08:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17063 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:10:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDBciB020298; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:11:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVCx1c0009274; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVCwCc0009164 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBVCwA11013704 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-Reply-To: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:58:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Afraid most of my holiday sewing has been modern. My office has been reorganized and I'm feeling the need to revamp/spruce up my work wardrobe. So I hemmed a new purple scarf (found fabric that exactly matches a new sweater I bought), made that happi jacket I was talking about the other day, made a new gabardine jacket to go with some pants I already have (and I have enough fabric to make another pair of pants and possibly a skirt), and am working on another jacket that I'm divided on throwing out and finishing... I might as well finish it, but the fabric is annoying me. And (hi, Cindy) I just finished a kind of 'shrug' out of some rust-red shiny fabric (nylon-cotton) that I bought on Sunday. The fabric has little pin-tucks sewn into it at 45-degree angles to the grain of the fabric, so that it has an all-over diamond pattern. I was going to make another happi jacket out of it, but found an idea in an old issue of Threads magazine: you take a strip of fabric about 2-1/2 yards long and 25 inches wide. Fold the ends of the strip up to the top border (the cut edge; use the selvage as the lower edge, if your fabric has a good selvage), leaving 5" in the center of the strip for your neckline. Sew. Voila -- a new 'shrug' to wear over a party dress! (Or, as I'm doing today, over a black turtleneck and pants; I will probably wear it tonight over a black dress to a New Year's party.) I don't know if my description is clear enough, but it's a nice way to display a pretty length of fabric that is somewhat 'crisp', like dupioni or taffeta. It might work with softer, drapier fabric, too. Historic stuff -- well, I think I'm a bit burned out on that at the moment. However, I do have one of those Vintage Vogue patterns that I might use as part of my work wardrobe... I bought some nice black worsted wool last year that's been waiting for me to cut into it. I figure it's not quite 'ripe' yet. -- Mara On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is > using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very > curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! *grins* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 08:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17105 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDF3i1020460; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDF2c0012294; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDEmc0012234 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:14:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.220]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 99551263837 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:14:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c2b0ce$99f1fe00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:14:50 +0100 Status: RO Hi there! Did you say hollidays? I had no holliday at all, being in the nurse buisiness is very very hard. I worked the 2 christmas days and i went to work today and i must go tomorrow as well. Then i have saved a lot of sparetime to spend as hollidays, but that is impossible because we are lacking of staff these days. And i must work next week end two ,besides all the every days there is. All in all it has ben a pestilens to work where i work and i have considered to sign off and start as a substitute, it pays much better and i can chose when i want to work. Well besides this deep sigh, i was so foolish to say yes to a friend who tared her dress lately. Her sleaves fell off when she was undressing herself. She is a member of the swedish society Gustavs Skål, and i agreed to make her a sack dress wich she is going to use january 21. So i must have it finished january 14. so that i can ship it away to Sweden. It is made in wine red shot dupioni silk, a sack with a lot of gathered ruches all over, and it takes such a long time to do, because the fabric is so stiff.............. So everyday i come home from work, i take a break and have a lots of coffe before i start my sewing ½ an hour later. And i must prepare dinner and make the shoppings two. Sooooooooo gues who is sleaping very tight these nights? Wonderfull to have such a large cutting space, i surely could use some of that. Lovely you got all that cutting made and had a nice christmas. Happy Newyear everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? > So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is > using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very > curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! *grins* > > Since I live in this 1711 town house with its tiny rooms, I have no way > whatsoever to cut anything at home. My parents have that big house in the > German forest with two guest apartments, and Ben and I always get the big one > on the top level. Boy is that living room floor HUGE! *happy dance* I took lots > of fabrics with me and cut everything I had ready to cut out, including a half > circle cloak. > > I cut said cloak for the Knight of Shadows costume; > > the wool for the c. 14th c. but relatively generic nun costume for the Far > Isles; > > Ben's new 1660s coat in beautiful dark blue and bright scarlet worsted wool > (red is the lining); > > the toile for the coat I'll wear for my best friend's wedding made from remains > of my mantua (c. 1700 coat but altered, so it is costumey, not authentic!); > > the toile for a present day pin stripe cool jacket from a modern Vogue pattern > that my mum will make for me, trousers are already done; > > another poet shirt from the Folkwear pattern, this time in black; > > a huge white shirt that is fantasy type but will be worn at work; > > the toile for my Elizabethan corset (and went and bought plastic snips for the > Wissner boning too :-). > > Hmm.. I think that was it, I did do some sewing too though, mum keeps a spare > sewing machine in that apartment *G* I fell back a bit in my plans because I > had that stomach bug for two days over Christmas. bah! All this wonderful > german food my mum cooked and I couldn't eat it. Poooey! > > Nicole - eager to hear from others! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 08:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17150 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:31:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDX5i1021036; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDX3c0016065; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVDWcc0015964 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 06:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-64.152.161.7.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.161.7] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TMVZ-00009i-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:32:37 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021231082553.03892e18@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] That purple Gustavus Adolphus outfit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:32:24 -0500 Status: RO Seeing some of the same questions pop up on another list -- and being back in Queens for the first time in over a week -- I remembered that I had more information on the outfit in an exhibition catalog... From _Sweden: A Royal Treasury 1550-1700_, edited by Michael Conforti and Guy Walton (National Gallery of Art, Washington DC, and the Minneapolis Institute of Arts, copyright 1988, ISBN 0-89468-119-2)... The catalog note says that the three extant pieces (cassock, knee breeches, and tight doublet), which are what's exhibited, "were probably combined with a coat, stockings, baldric, gloves, shoes with rosettes, and an elaborate lace collar..." The diagonally-closing piece we've all been talking about (on both lists) is apparently part of the cassock, as is everything we see above the waist *except* the forearms, which are part of the fitted doublet worn beneath. The catalog states that the cassock "buttons diagonally across the left front"; since we don't *see* any buttons, I'd presume it's one of those hidden-button type closures. While it isn't stated so in the catalog, I rather get the impression that the cassock would be worn with the baldric harnessed over the doublet, and under the left shoulder and back of the cassock, with only the front and right-hip sections outside the cassock. This set-up would indicate that king Gustavus Adolphus either drew his sword from the same side as his weapons arm (unlikely), or that he was left-handed (how likely would this have been in early 1600's Sweden?). Does anyone have any more information (or enlightened speculation) to add to this? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 09:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17440 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVEv2i1023890; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVEv0c0005718; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVEuKc0005478 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.188.137c7d10 (4214) for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <188.137c7d10.2b4309f6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:50 EST Status: RO Well since our New Year's Eve Party is a costumne 'to-do'---with Royalty as it's theme--I have been finishing off a new Directoire period ball gown--as I am to play Napoleon's Josephine---have actually been off work sick---but while trying to get better --I've been picking away at my project---a pale antigue gold satin, over-laid with gold embroidered net, and tiny metal tasseled trim ,criss-crossing the bodice---and all around the over skirt , and then up the front left side of the dress. Have been watching some good 'eye-candy'--like 'Sense and Sensibility', as well as Pride and Predjudice'---to try to stay inspired.Still have a pair of pants to finish for my husband------and all this by tonight-----gakkkk!! Wish me luck! Happy New Year to All!! Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 10:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17501 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFH1i1024739; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFH0c0011367; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFGtc0011339 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:16:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a244.in-tch.com [66.62.107.44]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBVF0ZP20178 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:00:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E11B506.6A11DABD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? References: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:17:26 -0700 Status: RO *droool* I can only wish I'd had the time off, and the lovely-sounding space in which to sew and cut. I just got Christmas day off from work. Plus, there was an emergency at work, and I got to work this weekend I get tomorrow (New Year's Day) off, too, and I'll be doing all the house chores I didn't get to, this past weekend. Some of us, however, have managed to book the large meeting room at our local public library for all the Sunday afternoons in January except the first one. *Then* I get to cut out some things. I'm going to be concentrating on getting a gothic fitted gown cut out, and then, I'm going to be making my first Flemish market gowns--lots of fitting and such involved, since I'm doing it from the skin, out (and my patterns need readjusting anyways). Did you get to bring any of your mom's cooking back to England with you? Somehow, there's nothing that compares to mom-food, no matter where she's from! --sue, who lives in a narrow 1978 trailer , so she knows about small rooms! N Kipar wrote: > > So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is > using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very > curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! *grins* > > Since I live in this 1711 town house with its tiny rooms, I have no way > whatsoever to cut anything at home. My parents have that big house in the > German forest with two guest apartments, and Ben and I always get the big one > on the top level. Boy is that living room floor HUGE! *happy dance* I took lots > of fabrics with me and cut everything I had ready to cut out, including a half > circle cloak. > > I cut said cloak for the Knight of Shadows costume; > > the wool for the c. 14th c. but relatively generic nun costume for the Far > Isles; > > Ben's new 1660s coat in beautiful dark blue and bright scarlet worsted wool > (red is the lining); > > the toile for the coat I'll wear for my best friend's wedding made from remains > of my mantua (c. 1700 coat but altered, so it is costumey, not authentic!); > > the toile for a present day pin stripe cool jacket from a modern Vogue pattern > that my mum will make for me, trousers are already done; > > another poet shirt from the Folkwear pattern, this time in black; > > a huge white shirt that is fantasy type but will be worn at work; > > the toile for my Elizabethan corset (and went and bought plastic snips for the > Wissner boning too :-). > > Hmm.. I think that was it, I did do some sewing too though, mum keeps a spare > sewing machine in that apartment *G* I fell back a bit in my plans because I > had that stomach bug for two days over Christmas. bah! All this wonderful > german food my mum cooked and I couldn't eat it. Poooey! > > Nicole - eager to hear from others! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 10:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17601 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFf3i1025913; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFf1c0018549; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21401.mail.yahoo.com (web21401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBVFeBc0018224 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:40:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021231154010.78677.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.117] by web21401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:40:10 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:40:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO *Lol* Nicole, you certainly weren't the only one to sew costume-y things over the holidays. Almost finished a Pre-Raphaelite gown (just need one more row of cord, and then bead the trim) Cut out 9 of 17 outfits for a friend who needs "girly things" for SCA and Cons: 1 GFD, 7 11th Century gowns, 1 "Irish" style gown (but with sleeves), and 1 pelicon, plus a veil and barbette. So far, the GFD needs facings, hem, and the buttonholes/buttons; 2 of the 11th C. gowns are half done, including the embellishment. cut out and pinned the curtains for my Great Room (not really costume-y until you see that my house is decorated in a Victorian "Gothic" style) Cut out and pinned together the McGonagall style green velvet gown Cut out 3/4 of the Queen of Spades and Queen of Clubs outfits for the Masquerade in April, sewed most of the seams on one gown and the skirts for the overgowns. Tonight we are going to drop in for a short while on "First Night" in downtown Tacoma--last year I was one of the performers and ended up on the front page--and then we are having a sewing party. With tomorrow off, I hope to have the cording done on the Pre-Raphaelite, 4 outfits for my friend, and the seams done on the McGonagall at the least, and hopefully the curtains as well. Angharat, the insane __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 10:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17607 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFh1i1026059; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFh1c0019129; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVFg8c0018865 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E93F112C72 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip21.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.21]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE15E111485 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007801c2b0e2$d2e81dc0$15614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c2b0ce$99f1fe00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:39:36 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? > Hi there! > Did you say hollidays? > I had no holliday at all, being in the nurse buisiness is very very hard. > I worked the 2 christmas days and i went to work today and i must go > tomorrow as well. > Then i have saved a lot of sparetime to spend as hollidays, but that is > impossible because we are lacking of staff these days. > And i must work next week end two ,besides all the every days there is. > All in all it has ben a pestilens to work where i work and i have considered > to sign off and start as a substitute, it pays much better and i can chose > when i want to work. > Well besides this deep sigh, i was so foolish to say yes to a friend who > tared her dress lately. Her sleaves fell off when she was undressing > herself. > She is a member of the swedish society Gustavs Skål, and i agreed to make > her a sack dress wich she is going to use january 21. So i must have it > finished january 14. so that i can ship it away to Sweden. > It is made in wine red shot dupioni silk, a sack with a lot of gathered > ruches all over, and it takes such a long time to do, because the fabric is > so stiff.............. Mmmm...wine red dupioni....sounds absolutely stunning, Bjarne! Can't wait to see the photos of this one! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:16:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17748 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGHvi1028061; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGHtc0001340; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBVGEjc0029977 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:14:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OnDLqmNcBWh9O9oEpQ4mGP4="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HMDCZLHX; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:14:13 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Message-ID: <20021231.081316.1140.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:18:40 -0800 Status: RO > For example a White belt is used to denote a Knight > A Filet and other circlets worn by fellow members are actually > demonstration of skill level. So, please don't wear these. It depends where you're from. Plain circlets are quite acceptable in An Tir on person who have no rank. Different styles of circlets denote specific ranks. But then again, I understand we're a bit different from other SCA kingdoms in this regard. :) Arlys ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17759 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:17:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGJ2i1028133; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGJ1c0001748; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGGfc0000944 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip253.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.253]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBVGGa026776 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Seams? Message-ID: <3E11528D.10218.87FACCE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021231094606.1015.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:17:17 -0800 Status: RO > I know it has, and I know I have been confused before, but which is > which again, are the French seams the clipped ones? because > run-and-fell (if they are what I think they are) have been found on > textile remains from Germanic 1st c. AD bogs (Mel, correct me if I'm > wrong, but I'm sure I read & saw it in my German and Danish textile > books :-) French seams are the ones which are completely enclosed on the inside by self fabric and which can't be detected from the exterior. They are most commonly used on translucent/transparent fabrics such as silks to finish the seam. One way (but not the only way) of doing them is to sew your garment inside out with a tiny seam (1/4", ie 2/8"), then turn it right side out and resew the seam at 3/8" (so that the first seam doesn't catch in the one which shows from the outside but so that the total is still 5/8". Another way to do it is to sew the regular seam, then on the inside seam edges tuck them in and sew along the folded-in edge. (This one gives a slightly bulkier seam, which I don't recommend.) Mock fell and Flat Fell are the ones which are seen much earlier and have the second line of stitching to stabilize it (like the seams on jeans or the methods seen in bog finds, Viking graves, London digs, extant clothes from the 16th C, etc.) I'm don't recall when "French seams" come in, but I know it wasn't prior to 1600 from everything I've seen and read. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17789 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:23:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGP1i1028496; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGP0uQ004032; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGO6uQ003668 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBVGO511007643 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-Reply-To: <188.137c7d10.2b4309f6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:24:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Good luck! Post pictures! -- Mara On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 AlbraKat@aol.com wrote: > Well since our New Year's Eve Party is a costumne 'to-do'---with Royalty as > it's theme--I have been finishing off a new Directoire period ball gown--as I > am to play Napoleon's Josephine-- (snip) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17793 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:23:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGP7i1028505; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGP7uQ004095; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGOjuQ003880 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:24:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from FABRICHOARDER@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ad.2884674d (4196) for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: FABRICHOARDER@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ad.2884674d.2b431eb6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Subject: [h-cost] Was: Xmas Gifts--Now:Fashion & Imagination: Masquerade Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:24:22 EST Status: RO --part1_ad.2884674d.2b431eb6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Fashion and Imagination: Masquerade". 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Ramona --part1_ad.2884674d.2b431eb6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17804 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:25:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGR1i1028644; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGR0uQ004905; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGQ9uQ004483 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBVGQ811007843 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-Reply-To: <20021231154010.78677.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:26:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > Cut out and pinned together the McGonagall style green > velvet gown Ooh, I was thinking of making one of those. Did you drape it yourself? Wanna see pictures! And now I know where to get the velvet... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17847 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGe3i1029543; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGe1Ek009973; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBVGd4uQ009590 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:39:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021231163903.65725.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:39:03 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Seams? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E11528D.10218.87FACCE@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:39:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > Mock fell and Flat Fell are the ones which are seen much earlier and > have the second line of stitching to stabilize it (like the seams on > jeans or the methods seen in bog finds, Viking graves, London digs, > extant clothes from the 16th C, etc.) I'm don't recall when "French > seams" come in, but I know it wasn't prior to 1600 from everything > I've seen and read. Goodie goodie, that means I did remember at last which is which. :-) I love run-and-fell seams (as they are commonly called here), but my second line of stitching is NOT like jeams ones, the line is invisible, because it is stitched down when folded over with a slip stitch. makes fantastically sturdy seams on fine linens. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17893 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGl1i1000178; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGl0Ek012803; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGi4Ek011537 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.19.122]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021231164400.VMFA15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:44:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c2b0ce$99f1fe00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gBVGi4Ek011537 Subject: [h-cost] Ease-up Bjarne life's too short Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:39:37 +0000 Status: RO Rough schedule you've got there Bjarne - ease up a bit and have some fun.Resigning and signing up as a 'substitute' isn't such a bad idea and could make it possible for you to spend more doing the stuff you love and are so obviously talented towards. Happy New Year and may it be a joyous & prosperous one for you and yours. Marcus. On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 01:14 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi there! > Did you say hollidays? > I had no holliday at all, being in the nurse buisiness is very very > hard. > I worked the 2 christmas days and i went to work today and i must go > tomorrow as well. > Then i have saved a lot of sparetime to spend as hollidays, but that is > impossible because we are lacking of staff these days. > And i must work next week end two ,besides all the every days there is. > All in all it has ben a pestilens to work where i work and i have > considered > to sign off and start as a substitute, it pays much better and i can > chose > when i want to work. > Well besides this deep sigh, i was so foolish to say yes to a friend > who > tared her dress lately. Her sleaves fell off when she was undressing > herself. > She is a member of the swedish society Gustavs Skål, and i agreed to > make > her a sack dress wich she is going to use january 21. So i must have it > finished january 14. so that i can ship it away to Sweden. > It is made in wine red shot dupioni silk, a sack with a lot of gathered > ruches all over, and it takes such a long time to do, because the > fabric is > so stiff.............. > So everyday i come home from work, i take a break and have a lots of > coffe > before i start my sewing ½ an hour later. And i must prepare dinner and > make > the shoppings two. > Sooooooooo gues who is sleaping very tight these nights? > Wonderfull to have such a large cutting space, i surely could use some > of > that. > Lovely you got all that cutting made and had a nice christmas. > > Happy Newyear everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Kipar" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? > > >> So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who > used/is >> using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am >> very >> curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! > *grins* >> >> Since I live in this 1711 town house with its tiny rooms, I have no way >> whatsoever to cut anything at home. My parents have that big house in >> the >> German forest with two guest apartments, and Ben and I always get the >> big > one >> on the top level. Boy is that living room floor HUGE! *happy dance* I >> took > lots >> of fabrics with me and cut everything I had ready to cut out, >> including a > half >> circle cloak. >> >> I cut said cloak for the Knight of Shadows costume; >> >> the wool for the c. 14th c. but relatively generic nun costume for the >> Far >> Isles; >> >> Ben's new 1660s coat in beautiful dark blue and bright scarlet worsted > wool >> (red is the lining); >> >> the toile for the coat I'll wear for my best friend's wedding made from > remains >> of my mantua (c. 1700 coat but altered, so it is costumey, not > authentic!); >> >> the toile for a present day pin stripe cool jacket from a modern Vogue > pattern >> that my mum will make for me, trousers are already done; >> >> another poet shirt from the Folkwear pattern, this time in black; >> >> a huge white shirt that is fantasy type but will be worn at work; >> >> the toile for my Elizabethan corset (and went and bought plastic snips >> for > the >> Wissner boning too :-). >> >> Hmm.. I think that was it, I did do some sewing too though, mum keeps a > spare >> sewing machine in that apartment *G* I fell back a bit in my plans >> because > I >> had that stomach bug for two days over Christmas. bah! All this >> wonderful >> german food my mum cooked and I couldn't eat it. Poooey! >> >> Nicole - eager to hear from others! >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: nicole@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17900 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGl6i1000194; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGl6Ek012843; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBVGkwEk012783 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:46:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021231164658.22307.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:46:58 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021231154010.78677.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > * > Almost finished a Pre-Raphaelite gown (just need one > more row of cord, and then bead the trim) Pictures! pictures! Phuleeze!!! > Cut out 9 of 17 outfits for a friend who needs "girly Good grief! Why oh why am I so slow *G* > cut out and pinned the curtains for my Great Room (not > really costume-y until you see that my house is > decorated in a Victorian "Gothic" style) Hehehe, Volin (my BF's father) calls my room "Victorian Baroque" > Cut out and pinned together the McGonagall style green > velvet gown What's that? Curious minds need to know. > of the performers and ended up on the front page--and > then we are having a sewing party. Cool! We are going to the pub next door, then at midnight it's lovely fireworks, then the landlady's midnight snack and another pint, and then beddiebye and dreaming of many more costumes and a new job. Oh yes folks, I will go back to university after I got my A level in chemistry. Watch this space. One is never too old to make a complete U-turn in one's career. :-)))) Nicole - who FINALLY realised what she really, really wants to do, at the age of almost 34. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 11:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17915 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGv2i1000855; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGv1Ek016891; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVGuMEk016641 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:56:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.19.122]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021231165620.VRUM15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:56:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8E058C24-1CE8-11D7-A296-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:57 +0000 Status: RO On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:58 am, N Kipar wrote: > So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who > used/is > using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am > very > curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! > *grins* You've been very productive Nicole. Hhhhmmm instead of finishing off my garb projects I'm packing them up until we've moved. I've spent my holidays making a bolster for my bed - an old duvet worked wonders for the shape and plumpness.The cover is black dupioni silk with very large 11" tassels on the ends which are topped with niffty brass 'cuffs'.A smaller scrap became another bolster for my persona and comfort at events - still have to find some fabric to cover it tho'.My fabric place is having a 30% off sale thru' to Sat.Worked on designs for my bed and paint effects. On the costumey side well do garb sketches for my web page count?I've got six or seven done so far,just got the gilt paint to fill in and they're completed.Hopefully they can be scanned and sent off to a pal who is helping me do a simple show & tell display. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 12:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17937 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVH42i1001327; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVH41Ek019670; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (mta3-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVH3NEk019406 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:03:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([80.1.19.122]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021231170322.VUMI15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:03:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Seams? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: marcus findlay-arthur To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021231163903.65725.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <892D34E6-1CE9-11D7-A296-0003936A9570@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:58:58 +0000 Status: RO On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 04:39 pm, N Kipar wrote: > --- kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > >> Mock fell and Flat Fell are the ones which are seen much earlier and >> have the second line of stitching to stabilize it (like the seams on >> jeans or the methods seen in bog finds, Viking graves, London digs, >> extant clothes from the 16th C, etc.) I'm don't recall when "French >> seams" come in, but I know it wasn't prior to 1600 from everything >> I've seen and read. > > Goodie goodie, that means I did remember at last which is which. :-) > I love run-and-fell seams (as they are commonly called here), but my > second > line of stitching is NOT like jeams ones, the line is invisible, > because it is > stitched down when folded over with a slip stitch. makes fantastically > sturdy > seams on fine linens. Works a nice sturdy seam for heavy wools and velvets too. Marcus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 12:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17966 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVHE2i1002018; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVHE1Ek023614; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVHDEEk023383 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-111-98.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.111.98]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AOB52068; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:08:40 GMT Message-ID: <008001c2b0f0$52c6e000$626f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3E11528D.10218.87FACCE@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Seams? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:16:09 -0000 Status: RO >French seams are the ones which are completely enclosed on the inside by self fabric and which can't be detected from the exterior Yes this is what I was taught at school (ie you sew the wrong sides together turn indise out sew and encase edges) . But several of my sources suggest the clipped ones as French hems as Nicole postulated Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 13:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18301 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:42:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVIi2i1007802; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVIi00o000488; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVIhl0o000384 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:43:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.20.6005900 (4206) for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <20.6005900.2b433f59@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:43:37 EST Status: RO :) Thanks, Mara--as soon as we get that new digital camara working ,I will! Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 16:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18931 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:23:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVLP2i1017857; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVLP00o002445; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVLO10o002098 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H80000PA63ZUJ@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-reply-to: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021231125917.050aa640@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:23:46 -0800 Status: RO >So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is >using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very >curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! >*grins* After several weekends of doing Dickens' Fair, I have been slacking off and resting these days, getting over the nastiest cold I think I have ever had. I've had laryngitis for a week and a half, and I'm still not over it. Mostly I am planning. 2003 is the year I want to get a cloth-doll business together, a website up, and many dolls made and sold (it says right here in my business plan). After realizing that making costumes for me was mostly an obligation (can't go to those events badly dressed, or naked), I realized I was using doll making/costuming as a reward for doing the sewing for me. So I took a hard look at the few periods I actually do these days (Dickens' Fair, the 1890s, maybe Regency, Science Fiction/Fantasy, and Fibre Art events), and how few dresses/outfits it would take me to get thru an entire weekend of any of them, and made plans only to do those costumes in 2003. It was like losing weight, not feeling obligated to do garments for all those periods I would merely like to do, that I used to do, or that I might do again. And it means I can get rid of several half-finished projects in periods I will probably never do again or never even get into. I can do any period I want to for dolls, without having to worry about where to find an event at which to wear them, or how to afford the event. Now I can do slinky 1930s or willowy 1920s, or anything else my own body just won't co-operate with, since I am making the dolls as well as their clothes. Now it won't break the bank to put enough jewels on Elizabethans, nor take me forever to do the blackwork the same dress requires. And the closet space required will be much less, not to mention the fabric requirements. Now I really can have all those dresses I always wanted. So it looks like a fun year ahead for me. I'll post the url when there's something worth seeing on it. And I still have plenty of full-size historicals to do. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 17:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19143 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMsdi1023728; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMsa0o005463; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMou0o004145 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from p661-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.153] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18TVDY-0004Q5-00; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 11:50:54 +1300 Message-ID: <004401c2b11f$07586010$99c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:50:32 +1300 Status: RO > >It's traditional, I always ask this question. What sewing and costume > >related goodies did everyone get for Christmas? I got a digital camera because I am chutter happy;) I am using it to take piccies in progress of costumes I'm working on as it's too expensive to do this using a traditional camer:) I'm still getting used to how it handles, and I'm infinately better ay landscape shots that portraits (though I can direct someone else to take a good portrait) :) So I've updated my costume pages to include three new no where near finished costumes, as well as new piccies of the plastron of my german ren gown:) Real pearls on it too, potato and rounds:) http://recital.tripod.com/costume I'll be taking photos of my mixed media dolls too:) Also for Christmas I got an abandonned kitten... so I now have one of those fabric cats that sits on costumes so you get no work done and what is done is all fluffy;) He's deaf so we think that was the reason he was left. And he's absolutely manic.. a real handful:) So that's me for the day:) It's my birthday tomorrow and I do not expect to get anything quite so useful;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 17:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19149 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:53:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMt1i1023755; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMt10o005611; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVMqx0o004955 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBVMlB37007663 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:47:12 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Sumptuary Laws/Customs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:56:55 -0800 Status: RO I've been recovering from an attack of Real Life (tm), and now have the creeping crud so I can catch up on the messages that have accumulated in my IN box. The subject of sumptuary customs has come up in AnTir, which to my limited knowledge doesn't have any, and I remembered one of the costume lists I'm on did a spread-sheet comparing such customs across the SCA. Can anyone help me locate it? I'm specifically interested in the limiting of belt colors other than white and red. Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 18:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19189 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:08:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNA1i1024424; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNA00o010152; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVN7m0o009479 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0H80000HGAV5J7@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:06:41 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sumptuary Laws/Customs In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:06:52 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > The subject of sumptuary customs has come up in AnTir, which to my limited > knowledge doesn't have any, and I remembered one of the costume lists I'm on > did a spread-sheet comparing such customs across the SCA. Can anyone help > me locate it? This isn't the page you're referring to since there is no spreadsheet, but there's some information and a set of links to most of kingdoms' Kingdom Law/sumptuary law pages. Sumptuary Laws in the SCA http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/sumptuary.htm --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 18:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19219 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:19:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNL2i1024929; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNL10o013546; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNKH0o013317 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13867759 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:20:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2b123$115eea80$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] original copies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:19:28 -0600 Status: RO Browsing around trying to find more images of 16th cent. lower-class stuff, I found this site. http://www.artunframed.com/ Imagine, if you can't get to the original, just have a copy made and sent to you! Aaaaaahhhhhhh.....someday.......*sigh* ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF There's no such thing as too many books! lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 18:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19289 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNi2i1026047; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNi10o019916; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBVNh10o019637 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB7B11643F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip21.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.21]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD87E1167EE for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:42:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014801c2b125$fb1f3d30$15614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <004401c2b11f$07586010$99c2adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:40:18 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? > >> So I've updated my costume pages to include three new no where near finished > costumes, as well as new piccies of the plastron of my german ren gown:) > Real pearls on it too, potato and rounds:) > http://recital.tripod.com/costume Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. (wiping the drool off my monitor now) > > I'll be taking photos of my mixed media dolls too:) > > Also for Christmas I got an abandonned kitten... so I now have one of those > fabric cats that sits on costumes so you get no work done and what is done > is all fluffy;) He's deaf so we think that was the reason he was left. And > he's absolutely manic.. a real handful:) poor baby--I'm glad he found someone to love him! > > So that's me for the day:) It's my birthday tomorrow and I do not expect to > get anything quite so useful;) Happy birthday!! Dianne > > michaela > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 19:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19447 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:37:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010d2i1028232; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010d00o004258; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010cY0o004153 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.132]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H80000NZF48UG@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-reply-to: <004401c2b11f$07586010$99c2adcb@michaela> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021231163345.00d5b520@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Subject: [h-cost] disciplining deaf 'fabric cats' (wasRe: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:37:16 -0800 Status: RO >Also for Christmas I got an abandonned kitten... so I now have one of those >fabric cats that sits on costumes so you get no work done and what is done >is all fluffy;) He's deaf so we think that was the reason he was left. And >he's absolutely manic.. a real handful:) If he is all white, he may have been born Deaf. Discipline him with a water squirt bottle or squirt gun, because he won't hear your frantic cries of 'get off my fabric!'. You could also use a rolled up sock to throw at him, same purpose. Pounding on something near him, where he can feel the vibrations, may get his attention. He won't be able to hear the can opener work, but he will be able to smell the cat food (you probably know that by now). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 19:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19493 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:50:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010q1i1028684; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010q00o007629; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h010pK0o007442 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m105.in-tch.com [216.166.191.105]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h010Z1P15524 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:35:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E123BA8.B7FD7E29@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? References: <20021231164658.22307.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:52 -0700 Status: RO What's that (that you want to do)? The last I heard, I thought you were going for your PhD? --sue, who never did figure out what she wanted to do, that people would also pay her for! N Kipar wrote: > > Oh yes folks, I will go back to university after I got my A level in chemistry. > Watch this space. One is never too old to make a complete U-turn in one's > career. :-)))) > > Nicole - who FINALLY realised what she really, really wants to do, at the age > of almost 34. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19534 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011L2i1029909; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011L10o015157; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h011KN0o015012 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:20:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20030101012022.99652.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:20:22 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3E123BA8.B7FD7E29@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:20:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What's that (that you want to do)? The last I heard, I thought you were > going for your PhD? > --sue, who never did figure out what she wanted to do, that people would > also pay her for! I always wanted to be a conservator!!!!! Nicole - not having given up on the PhD either (yet) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19541 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:22:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011O2i1029987; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011O10o015813; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011NV0o015712 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p30.directcon.net [206.170.184.129]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id h011NM6q009056 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:23:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021231172721.00de09b0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-Reply-To: <3E123BA8.B7FD7E29@in-tch.com> References: <20021231164658.22307.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:27:21 -0800 Status: RO A One is never too old to make a complete U-turn in one's >> career. :-)))) >> >> Nicole - who FINALLY realised what she really, really wants to do, at the age >> of almost 34. >> Nicole, you're a mere child! I was 43 when my life's work became apparent. Of course, I had my mother's example to look to; she decided at the age of 37 to become a lawyer. Which was no small undertaking for a married woman with three children, in a small town 50 miles from the nearest law school, in 1968. She did it, though, and is still practicing, and one of the few lawyers I know who actually loves her work. My father says her tution was the best investment he's ever made. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the newly updated Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:40:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19562 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011g4i1000780; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011g10o020623; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h011fF0o020316 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:41:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20030101014114.14916.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:41:14 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021231172721.00de09b0@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:41:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > > Nicole, you're a mere child! I was 43 when my life's work became apparent. Thanks Margo! :-) and a Happy New Greenwich Time New Year. *G* > Of course, I had my mother's example to look to; she decided at the age of > 37 to become a lawyer. Which was no small undertaking for a married woman > with three children, in a small town 50 miles from the nearest law school, > in 1968. She did it, though, and is still practicing, and one of the few > lawyers I know who actually loves her work. My father says her tution was > the best investment he's ever made. Cool! Full marks for your mum. Now, the thing is though, how am I going to finance myself? No clue yet, but I believe that there is always a solution! many thousand pounds for a second (third?) education? Oh well, there are miracles, no? On a costume note, it will mean that in the near future there won't be anymore expensive silks and brocades and exquisite gowns by fabulous tailors and seamstresses and corset makers, but it'll be back to the bargain table. We only have one life, so we better make the truest best of it I guess :-) Nicole - ready to work down her stash of fabrics in the next years to come ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19570 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:50:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011q2i1001154; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011q00o023304; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h011pB0o023119 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:51:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20030101015110.94301.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:51:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004401c2b11f$07586010$99c2adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Michaela, Re: Site update because: [h-cost] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:51:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > > Great photos as usual! I love the german ren one, have been following it for a while. > So that's me for the day:) It's my birthday tomorrow and I do not expect to > get anything quite so useful;) Happy birthday, dear! *hugs from another continent* But at least they/we shared the same Queen for a while, no? :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19574 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011v7i1001314; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011v10o024438; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011uB0o024294 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from p246-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.246] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18TY77-0002e9-00; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:56:10 +1300 Message-ID: <001d01c2b138$f3b07d30$f6d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021231163345.00d5b520@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] disciplining deaf 'fabric cats' (wasRe: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:56:07 +1300 Status: RO > If he is all white, he may have been born Deaf. Discipline him with a > water squirt bottle or squirt gun, because he won't hear your frantic cries > of 'get off my fabric!'. You could also use a rolled up sock to throw at > him, same purpose. Pounding on something near him, where he can feel the > vibrations, may get his attention. He won't be able to hear the can opener > work, but he will be able to smell the cat food (you probably know that by > now). Yeah:) I had a good search of the web and found a page to work out just how deaf he is (he actually has green in his eyes, and our first white cat had green eyes and could hear) He can't hear high pitches (jaggling keys) nor low pitches (likes hte vacuum cleaner...) but he is learning to feel vibrations when I stamp the floor or bang on the dresser where he gets fed. Unfortunately he likes things being thrown at him and thinks it's a game;) And he's not too shy of water. I'm going to try and find just what stream and temp of water though will work as my drink bottle with a sipper top is more fun for him than anything;) Heck he even likes to nibble my pin cushion with all the lovely spikey needles in it;) Yep he's going to be a handful but then we do have a blind dog so we know all about pets with physical challenges:) All we need now is a mute bird;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 20:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19582 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h01201i1001411; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012000o025099; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h011xE0o024926 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from p246-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.246] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18TYA4-00037J-00; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:59:12 +1300 Message-ID: <002301c2b139$61a8f470$f6d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <004401c2b11f$07586010$99c2adcb@michaela> <014801c2b125$fb1f3d30$15614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: Site update because: [h-cost] What'd you get for Christmas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:59:11 +1300 Status: RO > > Real pearls on it too, potato and rounds:) > > http://recital.tripod.com/costume > > Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. (wiping the drool off my monitor now) lol! Thank you, as I said most of the new pages are of costumes not finished, or anywhere near complete... in fact I think technically the only finished and left alone costumes are my Irish dance one and the chemise;) Everything else is pulled apart to make over. > > He's deaf so we think that was the reason he was left. And > > he's absolutely manic.. a real handful:) > > poor baby--I'm glad he found someone to love him! It's one thing I could never do, if I knew of an animal in trouble I could not pass it by, human too for that matter though it gets more tricky there are to just how much helpyou can give:) > > So that's me for the day:) It's my birthday tomorrow and I do not expect > to > > get anything quite so useful;) > > Happy birthday!! Thanks:) I know I'm getting some cosmeticy stuff;) michaela http://recital.tripod.com/costume making pages for my dolls right now:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 21:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19652 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:31:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012X2i1002304; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012X10o003130; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012W00o002912 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool0148.cvx25-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.216.148]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TYfn-0003Ju-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:31:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:32:52 -0800 Status: RO Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > For example a White belt is used to denote a Knight > > A Filet and other circlets worn by fellow members are actually > > demonstration of skill level. So, please don't wear these. > >It depends where you're from. Plain circlets are quite acceptable in An >Tir on person who have no rank. Different styles of circlets denote >specific ranks. But then again, I understand we're a bit different from >other SCA kingdoms in this regard. :) That's 'cuz An Tir is the baby of The West, and plain circlets can be worn by anyone here in The West. It's the specific decorations on a circlet that moves it into the realm of restricted insignia/regalia. Anahita in the SCA Kingdom of the West _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 21:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19670 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:57:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012x2i1003119; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012x10o009119; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012wY0o008998 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h012wYtF008997 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:58:34 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing Message-ID: <20030101025834.GG10133@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:58:34 -0700 Status: RO Hokay guys, please take the SCA regalia discussion off the list. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 21:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19674 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012xGi1003136; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012xG0o009174; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h012wk0o009022 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2003010102584005300k6ju1e>; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 02:58:40 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021231182618.00a676f0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and costume/sewing In-Reply-To: <00d101c2ad74$f6493680$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021226213055.00a82c60@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:48:26 -0800 Status: RO Penny - you have the right amount of children. I am just discovering the joys of all the kids I should have had. Tim went to college and came home with the greatest gift he could... lots of girls. They decided that all of them wanted to make victorian corsets, including the fourteen year old younger sister of one of them who plays on her high school football team and my own dance obsessed fifteen year old. So, I showed them everything they needed, and a variety of patterns. They decided on the Laughing Moon corset pattern. We fit the first two last night and will do the others tonight. It is a nice night, so I sent them off to the outdoor ice skating rink. It is fun teaching them to sew. The laughing moon pattern is pretty easy to use. I don't know what will happen when we get to the busk part. I have lots of boning, but not busks. Thursday I take them all back to Santa Cruz and it is just me, my daughter and dance. Oh well, they will be back. maryann At 01:55 AM 12/27/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Maryann, > >I know what you mean about having fun with the girls!!!!! My daughter is >obsessed with hairstyles... she tolerates my obsession with costume. A >wonderful Christmas present to me (although he doesn't know it) was that my >first son is dating a girl who has interest in historic costume!!! She >actually took classes with me when I was in college but I didn't know her >then. It isn't that she is old... it was me... I graduated at 40. My son >thinks it is neat to have someone who he can talk fashion with. This is my >son who took color coordinating his clothes at age 4 a little too seriously. > >My 4th son, is a theater tech. He dates girls who are in the dept. or he >recruits them to work on shows before he will date them. Then he brings >them home and shows off all my goodies... like my antique fans. > >#4 son gave me the most wonderful Christmas. When I was working on the >Japanese quilt, my little Katie wanted to learn to sew on the machine. I >was cutting fabric, and really didn't have much patience to work with my >impatient daughter. I told her to get on the machine and practice sewing >straight seams. Of course in 5 minutes, she was throwing a fit and had the >bobbin messed up. #4 son came in and started teaching her how to sew on the >machine. I almost fell out of my chair. I asked him... where did he learn >to sew on a machine. He said, "Mom, I have been awarded Theatre Tech of the >Year for the past two years. I sew the costumes for the shows!!!" You >could have knocked me over with a feather. I knew he was helping with the >costumes. All along, I thought he was just cutting the costumes for the >shows. I am just thrilled to know my gift of sewing was passed on to one of >my children. He said that all the techies are required to sew on the >machines. > >Lastly, #2 son... the artsy sculptor one... saw the quilt and said, "You >know, I would like to learn to sew on a machine to make an artsy quilt." >This son has known how to sew by hand his whole life. I told him about some >of the artsy quilt shows I have been too. He is interested in going to the >Williamsburg Quilt Show in February with me. This show can inspire anyone!! >If he starts quilting, I can't wait to see what he would design. He just >bubbles with creative ideas. He sells a lot of his artwork and thinks this >might be a good medium for him to go into. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com >http://www.onlinecostumeball.com > > >[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners >(http://www.plugit.com)] > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Dec 31 22:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19736 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:20:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h013M2i1003830; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h013M00o014401; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h013LI0o014246 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2003010103211205200fhh44e>; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:21:12 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021231185856.00a81b70@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costumey did you sew/make over the holidays? In-Reply-To: <20021231095802.91501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:10:03 -0800 Status: RO Days off? didn't happen. I mostly taught kids to sew after work and worked on my sister's graduation dress. It is an Irish dress and leine. the leine is bright yellow gauze with black/gold/ purple celtic trim. The Irish dress will be turquoise raw silk with more purple/black/gold trim. I lost the pattern, so it is going to be a challenge to make it. Her graduation is January 11th so I don't have much time. but the kids did straighten up my sewing room so I can get to the cutting table. I can't imagine living in an early 18th century house. Just think, the people who lived there initially wore clothes like the ones that Bjorne makes, except probably less fancy. Maybe he should come visit you and hold seances and connect with the spirits of the 18th century occupants and get their opinion on clothing. maryann At 09:58 AM 12/31/2002 +0000, you wrote: >So... I wonder if I'm the only one (and heartily disbelieve this) who used/is >using all those days off work for sewing and other costume bits. I am very >curious what others are working on, go on, please satisfy my curiosity! >*grins* > >Since I live in this 1711 town house with its tiny rooms, I have no way >whatsoever to cut anything at home. My parents have that big house in the >German forest with two guest apartments, and Ben and I always get the big one >on the top level. Boy is that living room floor HUGE! *happy dance* I took >lots >of fabrics with me and cut everything I had ready to cut out, including a half >circle cloak. > >I cut said cloak for the Knight of Shadows costume; > >the wool for the c. 14th c. but relatively generic nun costume for the Far >Isles; > >Ben's new 1660s coat in beautiful dark blue and bright scarlet worsted wool >(red is the lining); > >the toile for the coat I'll wear for my best friend's wedding made from >remains >of my mantua (c. 1700 coat but altered, so it is costumey, not authentic!); > >the toile for a present day pin stripe cool jacket from a modern Vogue pattern >that my mum will make for me, trousers are already done; > >another poet shirt from the Folkwear pattern, this time in black; > >a huge white shirt that is fantasy type but will be worn at work; > >the toile for my Elizabethan corset (and went and bought plastic snips for the >Wissner boning too :-). > >Hmm.. I think that was it, I did do some sewing too though, mum keeps a spare >sewing machine in that apartment *G* I fell back a bit in my plans because I >had that stomach bug for two days over Christmas. bah! All this wonderful >german food my mum cooked and I couldn't eat it. Poooey! > >Nicole - eager to hear from others! > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: nicole@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume