From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 01:25:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515PkHP027430 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515O2Uw008579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2003 23:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515O0Gx006993; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41808.mail.yahoo.com (web41808.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h515NuGx006946 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030601052351.13103.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.129.95.21] by web41808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:23:51 EST Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:23:51 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michelle=20Munzone?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] UN SUBSCRIBE X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PLEASE take me OFF, your mailing list, as I'm not interested any more. 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Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 01:35:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515ZeHP028065 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:35:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515ZBUw009106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 May 2003 23:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515ZAGx010010; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h515Z7Gx009992 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0CA4B5F0070; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:36:10 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A08B16250092; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:35:07 -0500 Message-ID: <011201c327ff$d75ac620$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030601052351.13103.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UN SUBSCRIBE Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:37:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The info for un-subscribing is at the bottom of this message. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Munzone" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: [h-cost] UN SUBSCRIBE > PLEASE take me OFF, your mailing list, as I'm not interested any more. My email address is - michelledolls2000@yahoo.com.au > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 11:36:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51FajHP000843 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51Fa7Uw020674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51Fa3Ax021190; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80401.mail.yahoo.com (web80401.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h51Fa0Ax021162 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030601153555.68258.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:35:55 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] ...and now, back to our regularly scheduled costuming To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030529124619.02e20f68@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had help that one Saturday from 2 parents and a teacher, none with tremendous amounts of sewing background, and none with real costuming experience. I had them build the really simple pieces of the Munchkin costumes. One of our school secretaries is a former first hand, and she helped me out by doing the handwork on the crows (lots of "feathers: to cut). Other than that... I'm also serving as wardrobe mistress, so the work hasn't finished yet. I'm out the door to get a zipper to replace the one that broke last night in the Cowardly Lion's costume before going to the theater for today's matinee (rented piece--I don't use nylon zippers 'cause they break at the worst possible time). On the up side: I've picked up dresser who's a quick learner, and 2 kids have approached me about becoming costume assistants. Dawn --- Kimiko Small wrote: > At 11:54 AM 5/29/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >100 costumes. 5 weeks. I can't believe it's ready. > > > >The "Wizard of Oz" opens tonight. > > Congratulations!! My goodness, that's a lot of > costumes. > > I have tried to follow your comments on it, but I > wasn't sure if it was > just you working on the costumes, or if you did get > some people to help on > that Super Costuming Saturday (I think you said > Saturday, my memory gets hazy). > > And get some much deserved rest. You did great! > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and > Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 13:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51Hk7HP004816 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51HjZUw000443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51HjYKl014016; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lycos.com (www3.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h51HjVKl013984 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:45:11 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:45:11 -0400 From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 149.169.40.174 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Maternity clothes (wasRe: Relevance of sewing skills and economics ofhome-sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:12:12 From: "Land of Oz" >I made several maternity items because I didn't like the yellow ducks and >pink bows on everything. Earth tones anyone? :-) Out of curiosity, where/when were your pregnant? I just had my baby (4 weeks ago tomorrow) and one thing that *really* surprised me was how "fashionable" maternity clothes are nowadays. I was thrilled of course, because I was able to dress in clothes that were not substantially different than what I normally wear. As a historic tie-in: both my mother (had kids in the late 1970's to mid-1980's) and grandmother (had kids in the late 1950's to early 1960's) were envious of the variety and stylishness of modern maternity clothes. According to them, when they were having kids maternity clothes were really expensive and/or didn't fit past the 7th month and/or were really ugly "I-Love-Lucy" smock things. -Katie ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 14:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51IYFHP007278 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51IWSUw003907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51IWRBK001259; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03.fuse.net (mx3.fuse.net [216.68.1.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51IWOBK001240 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eyrie.fuse.net ([216.196.140.182]) by mta03.fuse.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030601183224.QNLT17332.mta03.fuse.net@eyrie.fuse.net> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:32:24 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030601143321.00a975e8@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:36:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. M-C" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting smells out of wool In-Reply-To: <5E7507E0.3CA57781.349D0FDF@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Never use ammonia for urine smells. Urine contains ammonia-like compounds. While it might make the smell disappear to you, it will only heighten it for your cat. Jennifer (RVT) At 12:29 29-05-03 -0400, you wrote: >I have had success getting icky smells out of wool by soaking them in >water with ammonia (see label for details, especially good for wool >blankets). You may want to check the fabric first as some dyes are >ph-sensitive & can shift with an ammonia bath. > >Constance >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 17:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LNcHP007862 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LN2Uw015649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LMxhD004412; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LMvhD004389 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.13.208] (HELO herselftifhj9g) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 348184170 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: <022d01c32883$f9ca5700$d00d8ea7@herselftifhj9g> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:22:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > DATE: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:12:12 > From: "Land of Oz" > >I made several maternity items because I didn't like the yellow ducks and > >pink bows on everything. Earth tones anyone? :-) > From: "Katie Lewis" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:45 PM > Out of curiosity, where/when were your pregnant? I just had my baby (4 weeks ago tomorrow) and one thing that *really* surprised me was how "fashionable" maternity clothes are nowadays. I was thrilled of course, because I was able to dress in clothes that were not substantially different than what I normally wear. -------------- When I was pregnant in '91 and '94 (living in the Midwest) my everyday attire was jeans and a pullover (sweater, tee-shirt, sweatshirt) both at work and at home. The only local maternity specialty shop had sizes to 14 (US). Several sizes too small. The maternity wear at stores like Target/Wal-Mart/JCPenney *rarely* went past size 16 and was almost always "cutesy" stuff. The one specialty maternity store I visited that carried plus sizes had two styles---business wear and "cute". Neither were anything like my usual style. I found maternity jeans in a catalog (nothing approaching my inseam requirements), but ended up wearing cotton knit stretch pants and shirts that were several sizes too big. Or I made my own stuff. I made a dress, some overall-style pants, a bathrobe and a couple of shirts. I did buy one very nice maternity dress to wear to a class reunion. I didn't gain very much weight with either pregnancy so just buying different styles, like shirts designed to be worn over pants instead of tucked in, worked out okay for me. To bring this back on topic, maybe someone could give an overview of the change in a style worn during pregnancy for various time periods. I would think that in many time periods, there would not be a lot of information available. ? Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 17:49:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LnDHP008390 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:49:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LlSUw017791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LlQhD015233; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LlOhD015208 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h51LlO4r005582 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.43] (tnt-1-107.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.43]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LlIuG005460 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ED95175.966DEF24@in-tch.com> References: <000001c327ae$c77c49f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <3ED95175.966DEF24@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:03:41 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot history at your dorstep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:05 PM -0600 5/31/03, Sue Clemenger wrote: >Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> >> What a cool story Bjarne. Is it his first or last name? I understand >> that Fitzroy was a common name for English kings to name their bastard >> sons. (Don't remember where I heard that). I think the word you are > > looking for is extinct? >"Fitz" is Norman French? for "son" (or something like that). It's where >you get names like Fitzpatrick and Fitzgerald and such. I always took >it to refer to those bastard children that were, in some way, >acknowledged. >--sue > That's a common misunderstanding (often promulgated by "pop history" books that don't bother to get their facts right). "Fitz" never had any sort of automatic "bastard" associations to its use -- all the "Fitz-Whatever" surnames are perfectly ordinary surnames with no more connotation of bastardy than "Johnson". The _specific_ case of "Fitz Roy" was used on a very few occasions as a surname for a royal bastard, but it wasn't chosen for that use because "fitz" already had connotations of bastardy. An interesting sideline -- you get a big concentration of Fitz-X surnames associated with Anglo-Irish families, where it seems to have been a hybrid practice, rendering the Irish style of family surname of the form "Mac X" (son of X) into an Anglo-Norman format. Powerful Anglo-Irish families that, back in England, would have ended up with a surname based on their major land holdings, instead evolved a surnamed referring to their earliest land-holding ancestor in Ireland. In England, the use of "fitz" in everyday language had tended to disappear before the major era of fixing hereditary surnames, so it was much less common for families based in England to end up with surnames of this type. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 17:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LtZHP008534 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LrYUw018174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LrXhD017354; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51LrUhD017334 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-236-223.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.236.223])h51LrRhj003901 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:53:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030601144404.0559f940@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:53:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes In-Reply-To: <022d01c32883$f9ca5700$d00d8ea7@herselftifhj9g> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >To bring this back on topic, maybe someone could give an overview of the >change in a style worn during pregnancy for various time periods. I would >think that in many time periods, there would not be a lot of information >available. ? The two times I was pregnant, I went to the maternity section of the usual pattern catalogs and found everything I wanted there. I don't think I ever went into a maternity store, remembering the "I Love Lucy" maternity look only too well. I wore bikini-style underwear before, during, and after pregnancy, so those stayed the same. I recommend sarees for pregnant women, as they seem to be the only style in the world that makes one look elegant in that condition. And a saree doesn't care what size you are today, next month, or three years from now - it will still fit no matter what. Very large women look elegant in them too, regardless of your height, as do skinny women with no cleavage at all. If there are no saree stores within a hundred miles of you, use six yards of any nice border print. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 18:21:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51MLKHP010363 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51MIrUw019759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51MIohb026824; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07bw.bigpond.com (mta07bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51MIkhb026767 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.69]) by mta07bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFT00G0BPZ2K4@mta07bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:18:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.221.155 ([144.139.221.155]) by bwmam01.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 2/2725175); Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:18:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:18:20 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Possible problem To: Historical Costume Message-id: <00bd01c3288b$bc6e8270$9bdd8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c32697$5a5a7260$0400a8c0@comcast.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone else had a problem with a Trojan virus since that spam went > across the list the other night? Susan, Sharon, and I Aaaaargh! I used to use Netscape (for just such reasons as have been quoted in this thread, and the principle of course). We just got a new computer and my husband convinced me to use OE on it. Barely a week later and here comes a virus. You know, I could not find a way of deleting those spam messages without opening them in OE? That was really annoying. Anyway, it doesn't look like I've got it. Whew! Trojan horses are a pain in the proverbial. We had one on the old PC attached to a Diablo file. We didn't notice it until we'd uninstalled the game, and then we couldn't delete the file because the computer didn't think it was there anymore. Luckily it didn't seem to do anything - just lurked and set off all the virus warnings. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 22:04:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5224FHP030359 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:04:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52203Uw005475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h521xxrr017461; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h521xtrr017398 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h521xmNC012604 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:29:48 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14])(8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h521xlFT012574 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:29:48 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:29:47 +0930 Message-ID: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E01095A27@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:29:42 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [h-cost] RE: Organizations with interest in medieval dress/textiles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society may be the type of thing you're looking for. They also have links to similar organisations. http://www.dhds.org.uk I have no idea whether there is any interest in textiles there however. Rebecca ------------------------------ From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organizations with interest in medieval dress/textiles? To: Historical Costume Sorry, my original question seems to have been lost over the course of the thread. I'm not looking for dancers, nor a dance group in any particular area. I'm wondering if there's a professional or academic association that links researchers and/or performance groups of historical dance. (Or performers of early music or theater, for instance.) I've noted the Medieval and Renaissance Drama Society, for instance (an academic society for researchers). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 22:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522MFHP031821 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:22:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522LiUw006746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522Lhrr024534; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522Lerr024463 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F0A91776FD for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05da01c32843$7a795e00$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030531133122.14444.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> <3ED97C77.5070400@grics.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] TESTING and Possible problem Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:41:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I see you loud and clear! I run OE and IE, and I have not had any problems. Then again, I never open attachments unless I have been told to expect them, and my programs are configured to ask before opening anything. Once burned, twice shy. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Law" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] TESTING and Possible problem > First... Am I getting thru to this list at all? (Everyone who doesn't > receive this please raise your hand :-P > > Second (presuming I am getting thru at all) How many folks who have > gotten these "Possible Problems" are running McAfee and/or Netscape? > > Edwinna the Already Easily Confused > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 22:53:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522rbHP001836 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522naUw008854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522nZrr004310; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h522nWrr004290 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-88.gti.net [208.216.115.88]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 47215358C0 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EDABB40.8C1788E7@gti.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:49:36 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes References: <4.3.1.2.20030601144404.0559f940@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm 5 mos pregnant right now & so far I have found a pretty good variety of clothing & haven't had to resort to anything with bows or ditzy florals. I stocked up on jeans, slip on skirts & T-shirts from Gap Maternity & Old Navy, especially from clearance, but by far the best source so far has been eBay. There is such a great selection of stuff on eBay & I am guessing a lot of my baby clothes will be also be eBay bought. Deb R. > The two times I was pregnant, I went to the maternity section of the usual > pattern catalogs and found everything I wanted there. I don't think I ever > went into a maternity store, remembering the "I Love Lucy" maternity look > only too well. I wore bikini-style underwear before, during, and after > pregnancy, so those stayed the same. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 1 23:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5237DHP002787 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5236DUw010105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5236CCI010058; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52368CI010029 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-236-223.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.236.223])h52364hj002740 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030601200438.05230750@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:05:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes In-Reply-To: <3EDABB40.8C1788E7@gti.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20030601144404.0559f940@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >There is such a great selection of stuff on eBay & I am guessing a lot of >my baby clothes will be also be eBay bought. Thrift stores and, in my experience, yard sales, are about one quarter baby clothes, three quarters everything else. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 00:33:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h524XDHP002964 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h524VSUw014928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h524VQl6009465; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h524VNl6009423 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2003060204311805200r2jgse>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: <04cc01c328bf$d2274780$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately for me I actually had to go get business maternity close or alter clothing for myself. I worked in an office that required business attire. What saved me was a Folkware Afternoon Tea Dress. It was perfect. With a little altering it was both elegant and very business. :) What it is, is a pleated strap empire waist dress with a slit up the back skirt, this is attached to the bodice. There is a Pullover tunic that is loose with a-shaped front hemline that is deep. Over all that is a jacket with the v-shaped hemline in the back. Over this is a belt that goes under your breasts. Last is a drape that is attached to the dress at one side and comes around and tucked into the belt. It is very nice and easy to alter for what you need. All other clothing I got from JC Penney. All the maternity specialty stores' costs were astronomical in comparison to them and I was in no mood to sew the entire time I was pregnant with my three. Thrift stores around here only carried (no offense to anyone) casual maternity wear as in shorts, denim pants, very strange patch work smocks, and dresses that were muumuu's. I have not given away or sold my stuff, only loaned it out once. I am not sure if anyone is even remotely interested in my stuff as it was very expensive and do not know anyone willing to pay even 50% of what I paid for it. The afternoon tea dresses I will not let go. I love them that much! :) Great for summer wear just cause of the layers. For sca, I went with Italian ren. Sincerely, Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes : : On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: : : > >There is such a great selection of stuff on eBay & I am guessing a : > >lot of my baby clothes will be also be eBay bought. : > : > Thrift stores and, in my experience, yard sales, are about one quarter : > baby clothes, three quarters everything else. : : When I was pregnant, I found that the best place to find decent maternity : clothes was in consignment shops -- but not the usual women's consignment : shops. The children's consignment shops typically had maternity sections : too, and the quality was fabulous. I lived in a city with a high : proportion of professional women, and apparently a lot of them would buy : office clothing, dressy dresses, and attractive casual clothing at the : high-priced maternity boutiques, wear them only a few months (or sometimes : only a few times!), and them dump them in a load at the consignment shops. : I learned to make the rounds of my favorite places about once a month; : when I found my size, I usually found a large number of items because they : were all from the same consigner. : : I continue to buy children's toys, furnishings, and other stuff at the : same shops, as well as at children's resale shops (even better than : consignment if you're bringing in goods, because you get your cash up : front and don't have to pick anything up later). Childrens' everyday : clothes aren't a great bargain, as they are worn hard and washed often, : but children's dress clothes and outerwear are frequently near-new. : : Today, I think eBay is now serving the purpose of a global consignment : shop. But for things I'm going to wear, I really like the chance to touch : them and try them on without having to commit to postage or purchase. : : --Robin : : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 01:29:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h525TqHP003068 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h525TKUw018523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h525TEVV028828; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:29:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h525TBVV028766 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m214.in-tch.com [216.166.191.214]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5259JH18572 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDAE094.D4CCB9C4@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:28:52 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Giornea References: <9453E61C-8FEC-11D7-9FBB-000393D446D6@comcast.net><00d001c323fe$1885c0b0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <00f901c32407$40234490$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, I'd appreciate it. I've got some pretty good, appropriate ideas for outer wear with some of the other clothing/time periods I'm working on, but ItalianRen has me stumped. --sue Beteena Paradise wrote: > > It is interesting that you ask about the outer garments as I had already > noticed that there doesn't seem to be any in all of the paintings I have > seen. As I generally freeze rather than ruin my "look" it hasn't been much > of an issue! I am looking through all of my stuff now and will let you know > if I find anything! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 01:32:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h525WDHP003086 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:32:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h523bPUw011898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h523bNCI020715; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h523bJCI020677 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31077 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:59:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:59:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20030601200438.05230750@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >There is such a great selection of stuff on eBay & I am guessing a > >lot of my baby clothes will be also be eBay bought. > > Thrift stores and, in my experience, yard sales, are about one quarter > baby clothes, three quarters everything else. When I was pregnant, I found that the best place to find decent maternity clothes was in consignment shops -- but not the usual women's consignment shops. The children's consignment shops typically had maternity sections too, and the quality was fabulous. I lived in a city with a high proportion of professional women, and apparently a lot of them would buy office clothing, dressy dresses, and attractive casual clothing at the high-priced maternity boutiques, wear them only a few months (or sometimes only a few times!), and them dump them in a load at the consignment shops. I learned to make the rounds of my favorite places about once a month; when I found my size, I usually found a large number of items because they were all from the same consigner. I continue to buy children's toys, furnishings, and other stuff at the same shops, as well as at children's resale shops (even better than consignment if you're bringing in goods, because you get your cash up front and don't have to pick anything up later). Childrens' everyday clothes aren't a great bargain, as they are worn hard and washed often, but children's dress clothes and outerwear are frequently near-new. Today, I think eBay is now serving the purpose of a global consignment shop. But for things I'm going to wear, I really like the chance to touch them and try them on without having to commit to postage or purchase. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 02:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h526wKHP023503 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:58:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h526vjUw023918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h526viBa029428; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h526vfBa029377 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.223]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HFU0038FE01WE@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:56:52 -0700 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes In-reply-to: <04cc01c328bf$d2274780$31baee0c@c59303a> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20030601235553.051cc290@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >For sca, I went with Italian ren. I did one from the family portrait of Thomas More's family, in which two women are pregnant. I called my "Tudor station wagon". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 05:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h529ljHP011676 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:47:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h529l9Uw002094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h529kxq0016664; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h529kuq0016639 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD50C52007E; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:48:00 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD047B01B2; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <017601c328ec$23556de0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20030601235553.051cc290@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:48:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was pregnant in 1976 the smocks and high-waist were already in fashion. The only thing I needed to purchase were the maternity pants. I was pregnant on and off (four times) between 1980-1987. Needless to say by the end of 1987 my maternity wear was worn out. I wore a little of the cutesy stuff, but I made the majority of my clothes. Since two of my sons were born this time of the year (one's birthday was yesterday) and the other two in the autumn, I never needed winter maternity wear. Heaven help trying to find a maternity coat during the 1980s. I really do not like the present day maternity wear. I find it a little insulting, skin tight maternity wear. I also did not like seeing Brooke Shields almost nude and pregnant on the recent issue of Vogue. I didn't like being photographed when I was pregnant. And didn't even show up for my 10 year class re-union because I was pregnant. I guess I am old-fashioned in that manner. Pregnancy is a personal time... yes, your husband may say you look beautiful with a bowling ball under your dress. They will say anything to keep the peace during the raging hormones of pregnancy. I just don't think it is a *pretty time.* Well, maybe the first tri-mester if you don't have morning sickness. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 06:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Ah3HP015550 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:43:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52AgXUw005070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52AgVO2004545; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.his.com (mail2.his.com [216.194.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52AgTO3004535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [216.194.225.77]) by mail2.his.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h52AgTfr027506 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:42:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lola@his.com) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pcp02591331pcs.bowie01.md.comcast.net [68.50.149.33]) by mail.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h52AgSl17164 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lola@mail.his.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200306020947.h529ldq2016897@net.indra.com> References: <200306020947.h529ldq2016897@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:42:28 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lola Lee Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 3:47 AM -0600 6/2/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >I recommend sarees for pregnant women, as they seem to be the only style in >the world that makes one look elegant in that condition. And a saree >doesn't care what size you are today, next month, or three years from now - >it will still fit no matter what. Very large women look elegant in them >too, regardless of your height, as do skinny women with no cleavage at >all. If there are no saree stores within a hundred miles of you, use six >yards of any nice border print. You can get good deals on eBay, plus there is a good site where you can "bargain" at . I would also suggest salwar kameez - the pants are cut to have a wide ease with drawstring, plus the tunics are cut to be about a size larger than your normal size - the fit is intended to be very loose. Search for "salwar kameez" on eBay. -- Lola - mailto:lola@his.com http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ http://www.his.com/~lola/ljl.html I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 07:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Bu2HP020186 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52BtOUw009647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52BtNja029284; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41009.mail.yahoo.com (web41009.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52BtKja029253 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030602115515.51405.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.104.69] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:55:15 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could anyone point the way for directions for putting saris on, I live in Denmark and we have a very small minority of ethnic people wearing saris. Tania Lola Lee wrote: At 3:47 AM -0600 6/2/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >I recommend sarees for pregnant women, as they seem to be the only style in >the world that makes one look elegant in that condition. And a saree >doesn't care what size you are today, next month, or three years from now - >it will still fit no matter what. Very large women look elegant in them >too, regardless of your height, as do skinny women with no cleavage at >all. If there are no saree stores within a hundred miles of you, use six >yards of any nice border print. You can get good deals on eBay, plus there is a good site where you can "bargain" at . I would also suggest salwar kameez - the pants are cut to have a wide ease with drawstring, plus the tunics are cut to be about a size larger than your normal size - the fit is intended to be very loose. Search for "salwar kameez" on eBay. -- Lola - mailto:lola@his.com http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ http://www.his.com/~lola/ljl.html I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 08:48:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Cm1HP024019 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:48:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52ClWUw013758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52ClUja018571; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52ClRja018530 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.e.311456c3 (1320) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:46:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Maternity clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was pregnant in 2000 and am again now and it's interesting to see how much the styles have changed just in a few years. I really liked the tunics and oxford-type blouses I got in the maternity section at target the first time around. I'm glad I saved them all because the current trend seems to be towards brightly printed, almost clownlike very fitted clothing, not my style pregnant or not. Costuming while pregnant is a bit of a challenge, depending on the era. I tend to make costumes for time periods that make me look preggo anyway (Italian ren, regency, 1830s) and try to convince our little costume group to have events that include those time periods. I've always thought certain garments seemed like they were probably maternity/nursing wear by their very nature - short gowns for instance. But then other periods I wonder whether anyone was nursing their kids - how does one nurse a child in a 1880s basque with all the typical underpinnings? Cheers, Loren Who's currently working on an italian ren to wear to Ren faire this year by which time I should be 8 months along... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 11:08:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52F8mHP002432 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52F84Uw027318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52F80N1001811; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52F7pN1001708 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13000 invoked by uid 1005); 2 Jun 2003 15:07:45 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.068142 secs); 02 Jun 2003 15:07:45 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.068142 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 15:07:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20030602110536.W59546-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List, Some time ago, a person posted some information about the Henry VIII Inventory situation--why the second book wasn't coming out, the name of the publisher/producer who was having the funds problem, etc. I was sure I saved the info, but now it's no-where to be found. I know someone who's interested in contacting the unfortunate editor in question--can the original emailer re-post that info, if they have it? Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 13:13:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HDSHP005837 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HCuUw015285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HCrWO004443; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HCnWO004390 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MsrZ-00086K-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:12:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.57] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Mon Jun 02 13:12:48 EDT 2003 Message-ID: <5465035.1054573968937.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Drea, that might have been me. Last year at Kalamazoo (the International Medieval Congress) I talked to a publisher's rep from Boydell, which currently (I think) still has the option to publish that. When I asked when it was coming out, he rolled his eyes and said they would be _glad_ to publish it if the author would give them a manuscript. I believe someone else then posted that this wasn't quite the whole story and that there were some rights or other legal issues standing in the way, but I don't remember. You might try the archives... -------Original Message------- From: Drea Leed Sent: 06/02/03 08:07 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? > > Dear List, Some time ago, a person posted some information about the Henry VIII Inventory situation--why the second book wasn't coming out, the name of the publisher/producer who was having the funds problem, etc. I was sure I saved the info, but now it's no-where to be found. I know someone who's interested in contacting the unfortunate editor in question--can the original emailer re-post that info, if they have it? Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 13:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HEMHP005846 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:14:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HDrUw015400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HDkWO005121; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52HCoWO004402 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Msra-0007vQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:12:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.57] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Mon Jun 02 13:12:49 EDT 2003 Message-ID: <1739076.1054573970214.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Drea, that might have been me. Last year at Kalamazoo (the International Medieval Congress) I talked to a publisher's rep from Boydell, which currently (I think) still has the option to publish that. When I asked when it was coming out, he rolled his eyes and said they would be _glad_ to publish it if the author would give them a manuscript. I believe someone else then posted that this wasn't quite the whole story and that there were some rights or other legal issues standing in the way, but I don't remember. You might try the archives... -------Original Message------- From: Drea Leed Sent: 06/02/03 08:07 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? > > Dear List, Some time ago, a person posted some information about the Henry VIII Inventory situation--why the second book wasn't coming out, the name of the publisher/producer who was having the funds problem, etc. I was sure I saved the info, but now it's no-where to be found. I know someone who's interested in contacting the unfortunate editor in question--can the original emailer re-post that info, if they have it? Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 14:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52I4WHP006138 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52I2SUw021082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52I2QSj010674; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52I0vSj009485 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 66296 invoked by uid 1005); 2 Jun 2003 18:00:48 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.889744 secs); 02 Jun 2003 18:00:48 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.889744 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 18:00:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? In-Reply-To: <1739076.1054573970214.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030602140005.T59546-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm...maybe that's where I heard it. I did a desultory search through the archives, but didn't find what I was looking for. Thanks, Drea On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Chris Laning wrote: > Drea, that might have been me. Last year at Kalamazoo (the International Medieval Congress) I talked to a publisher's rep from Boydell, which currently (I think) still has the option to publish that. When I asked when it was coming out, he rolled his eyes and said they would be _glad_ to publish it if the author would give them a manuscript. > > I believe someone else then posted that this wasn't quite the whole story and that there were some rights or other legal issues standing in the way, but I don't remember. You might try the archives... > > -------Original Message------- > From: Drea Leed > Sent: 06/02/03 08:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? > > > > > > Dear List, > > Some time ago, a person posted some information about the Henry VIII > Inventory situation--why the second book wasn't coming out, the name of > the publisher/producer who was having the funds problem, etc. I was sure > I saved the info, but now it's no-where to be found. I know someone who's > interested in contacting the unfortunate editor in question--can the > original emailer re-post that info, if they have it? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 14:44:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52IiXHP006229 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52IhqUw025488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52IhnSj009611; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52IhkSj009565 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MuHZ-0005NC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:43:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: FW: Price of Henry's inventory, was: [h-cost] Pinned on stomachers. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32936$e5e4dd60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Drea, I know this is not exactly what you were looking for, but wonder if the discussion didn't take place 'round the same time...also, might one contact the publisher of the first to get to the second?? Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of ailith ~Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:01 PM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: Price of Henry's inventory, was: [h-cost] Pinned on stomachers. ~ ~Go here for an American site that sells this lovely book...it's just over ~$260 with shipping. ~ ~http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?&ID=8788 ~ ~kate ~ ~----- Original Message ----- ~From: "Sue Clemenger" ~To: ~Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:22 AM ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinned on stomachers. ~ ~ ~> *drooool!* ~> It's 232 euro, though....what's that in US dollars, these days? About ~> 300? ~> --sue ~> ~> > ~> > At 08:10 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: ~> > >The title is _The Inventory of King Henry VIII: the transcript_. It's ~> > >edited by David Starkey. It's published by Harvey Miller Publishers ~> > >for The Society of Antiquaries of London. ISBN 1-872501-89-3. I hope ~> > >that helps. ;) ~> > >Kat ~> > > ~> > > > Who's the publisher, though? Editors? I'd love to get a copy, but ~I'd ~> > > > need all the normal info (including title ). Thanks, Sue ~> > > ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 16:28:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KS8HP006670 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KRHUw008293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KRBd4026432; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KR4d4026327 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:27:05 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:06:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gold work sources Thread-Index: AcMpQoFUeICgZG8aSL+gIdsG+ViACA== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h52KR4d4026327 Subject: [h-cost] Gold work sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I'm currently searching for sources on medieval gold work (of the embroidery/couching kind, not gold smithing or jewelry work). I do have a copy of _A Pictorial History of Embroidery_ and Kay Staniland's _Medieval Embroiderers_. I'm specifically looking for sources on techniques. Thanks in advance! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 16:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KYiHP006688 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:34:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KYFUw009088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KYEd4001730; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bad-candy.com (dsl081-109-046.den1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.109.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KYAd4001683 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <200306021631.AA970064292@bad-candy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Sabrina Tragus" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources X-Mailer: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Royal School of Needlework has an embroidery book out that has a large section on goldwork. It was beyond my skill when I looked at it, but I seem to remember them referencing older pieces and techniques. Sabrina ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Colleen McDonald" Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:06:54 -0700 >Hello, > >I'm currently searching for sources on medieval gold work (of the embroidery/couching kind, not gold smithing or jewelry work). I do have a copy of _A Pictorial History of Embroidery_ and Kay Staniland's _Medieval Embroiderers_. > >I'm specifically looking for sources on techniques. > >Thanks in advance! > >Colleen > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 16:50:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Ko2HP006759 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KnEUw010798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52KnDd4012373; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lycos.com (www1.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52Kn9d4012223 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:48:48 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:48:48 -0400 From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.5.57 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:22:58 From: "Land of Oz" >When I was pregnant in '91 and '94 (living in the Midwest) my everyday >attire was jeans and a pullover (sweater, tee-shirt, sweatshirt) both at >work and at home. The only local maternity specialty shop had sizes to 14 >(US). That is icky ƒ¼ Finding plus size maternity clothes isstill difficult, the largest size that I recall seeing is a 20, which is still a bit better than it was. My main problem with maternity clothes was that some stuff (especially pants) that fit early on were way too small by the end. Of course, I was carrying high and big, which made fitting a bit more challenging. As far as finding maternity clothes went, I got really lucky. A good friend of mine gave me all of her maternity clothes, and since she stopped having kids after her 4th pregnancy she had plenty of clothes. I also got a lot of clothes from a consignment shop that was going out of business so I had quite a nice wardrode and didn¡¦t have to spend a ton of money. > >To bring this back on topic, maybe someone could give an overview of the >change in a style worn during pregnancy for various time periods. I would >think that in many time periods, there would not be a lot of information >available. ? True. Of course this lack of information may be because for many periods normal styles worked quite well for pregnancy. From my own experience of wearing historic costume while pregnant I can say that most of my costumes fit until the 4th or 5th month, and a few like my caftan fit until the very end. For my mid-19th century stuff the fitting problem was in the waist, there was just a limit to how much the waist band could expand. For my SCA garb the only fitting problem was with garments that were fitted in the bust, since I went from a B to a C-on-the-edge-of-D cup. When I made a petticoat bodies for maternity wear I got smart and drafted the bodice for a D cup, so it fits perfectly now that I¡¦m not pregnant. The only change needed for my loose gown is to shorten the hem in front, since it is now a little bit too long now that I no longer have a huge stomach to hold it out. -Katie ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 17:14:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52LEpHP006868 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52L9KUw013542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52L9Ij0027612; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52L9Dj0027500 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f63.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.99]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ED0434800B3 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:09:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c3294b$afffaa80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306021631.AA970064292@bad-candy.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:12:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Yes i have this book from Royal School of Needlework. It has chapters about goldwork, crewelwork, silk shading and Blackwork. It is very detailed and it has some praktis lessons. There is a very beautifull gold purse, in Elizabethan style you could make. It has something about the history two. It does not say much about middle age embroidery, but i am sure, you could use the teckniques. Royal School of Needlework Embroidery Techniques ISBN Nr. 0 7134 08401 2 Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabrina Tragus" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources > The Royal School of Needlework has an embroidery book out that has > a large section on goldwork. It was beyond my skill when I looked > at it, but I seem to remember them referencing older pieces and > techniques. > > Sabrina > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Colleen McDonald" > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:06:54 -0700 > > >Hello, > > > >I'm currently searching for sources on medieval gold work (of the > embroidery/couching kind, not gold smithing or jewelry work). I > do have a copy of _A Pictorial History of Embroidery_ and Kay > Staniland's _Medieval Embroiderers_. > > > >I'm specifically looking for sources on techniques. > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >Colleen > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 17:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52LxWHP009105 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:59:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52LwrUw019344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Lwmhu003511; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07bw.bigpond.com (mta07bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Lwihu003420 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.78]) by mta07bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFV000XVJMLBN@mta07bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:56:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.221.237 ([144.139.221.237]) by bwmam04.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 29/1064459); Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:58:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:56:25 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003d01c32951$d64a28e0$eddd8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4.3.1.2.20030601235553.051cc290@mail.frys.com> <017601c328ec$23556de0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I really do not like the present day maternity wear. I find it a little > insulting, skin tight maternity wear. I also did not like seeing Brooke > Shields almost nude and pregnant on the recent issue of Vogue. I didn't > like being photographed when I was pregnant. And didn't even show up for my > 10 year class re-union because I was pregnant. I guess I am old-fashioned > in that manner. Pregnancy is a personal time... yes, your husband may say > you look beautiful with a bowling ball under your dress. They will say > anything to keep the peace during the raging hormones of pregnancy. I just > don't think it is a *pretty time.* Well, maybe the first tri-mester if you > don't have morning sickness. > I disagree with you Penny (in the best possible way of course). A little bit before I got pregnant there was a bit of a furore here about a game show hostess (you know, the kind who are basically decoration), who continued to work whilst fairly pregnant. She still wore the lovely evening gowns and so forth, and she looked fabulous. It gave me a lot more confidence about being pregnant. I think pregnancy is great (easier to say that with a 2 yr space between me and it *grin*), and the further we can distance ourselves from the Victorian attitude of being 'in an interesting condition', the better. Get out there and flaunt those bellies people.... On a costuming note, maybe that is why high Victorian fashion looks fairly impossible to be pregnant in - if you were along enough to show much you just lurked in the house and pretended to be invisible. Not a solution for working class women obviously - I wonder what they did. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 18:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52MtfHP010469 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:55:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Mt5Uw026872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Mt3oh012900; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52Msvhu012774 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OuZB9NbWpiqqXeRy5Iz6h8A=">; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:54:46 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZP2QZBW; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:54:46 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20030602.154320.224.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-10,12-93 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Gold work sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is also a very good book on Goldwork by Jane Lemon--it is OP, but you might be able to find it in a library. METAL THREAD EMBROIDERY: TOOLS, MATERIALS, AND TECHNIQUES, B.T. Batsford, Ltd, London, 1987, ISBN 0-7134-5577-2. Not a lot of stuff on medieval but highly recommended by some Costuming Laurel friends who are extremely knowledgable and classify this book as a prime resource. Tons of information. Does anyone know of any sources on Or nue work? Arlys On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:12:34 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi. > Yes i have this book from Royal School of Needlework. > It has chapters about goldwork, crewelwork, silk shading and > Blackwork. It > is very detailed and it has some praktis lessons. There is a very > beautifull > gold purse, in Elizabethan style you could make. It has something > about the > history two. > It does not say much about middle age embroidery, but i am sure, you > could > use the teckniques. > > Royal School of Needlework Embroidery Techniques > ISBN Nr. 0 7134 08401 2 > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sabrina Tragus" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources > > > > The Royal School of Needlework has an embroidery book out that has > > a large section on goldwork. It was beyond my skill when I looked > > at it, but I seem to remember them referencing older pieces and > > techniques. > > > > Sabrina > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Colleen McDonald" > > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:06:54 -0700 > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >I'm currently searching for sources on medieval gold work (of the > > embroidery/couching kind, not gold smithing or jewelry work). I > > do have a copy of _A Pictorial History of Embroidery_ and Kay > > Staniland's _Medieval Embroiderers_. > > > > > >I'm specifically looking for sources on techniques. > > > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > > > >Colleen > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 21:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h531sFHP024763 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h531rfUw019526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h531rdLU017226; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h531rYLV017175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h531rfdN027998 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:53:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h531rfLC027996 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:53:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:53:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306022153.40731.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h531rYLV017175 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 02 June 2003 08:46 am, Marionetta@aol.com wrote: > I was pregnant in 2000 and am again now and it's interesting to see how > much the styles have changed just in a few years. I really liked the > tunics and oxford-type blouses I got in the maternity section at target the > first time around. I'm glad I saved them all because the current trend > seems to be towards brightly printed, almost clownlike very fitted > clothing, not my style pregnant or not. > > Costuming while pregnant is a bit of a challenge, depending on the era. I > tend to make costumes for time periods that make me look preggo anyway > (Italian ren, regency, 1830s) and try to convince our little costume group > to have events that include those time periods. I've always thought > certain garments seemed like they were probably maternity/nursing wear by > their very nature - short gowns for instance. But then other periods I > wonder whether anyone was nursing their kids - how does one nurse a child > in a 1880s basque with all the typical underpinnings? I suspect that's part of what wrappers were for. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 2 23:03:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5333tHP029834 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:03:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5333OUw026932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5333Mx4019591; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5333Ex4019523 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0HFV00016XT3FX@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:03:03 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:03:03 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources In-reply-to: <20030602.154320.224.4.Cley@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > There is also a very good book on Goldwork by Jane Lemon--it is OP, but > you might be able to find it in a library. METAL THREAD EMBROIDERY: > TOOLS, MATERIALS, AND TECHNIQUES, B.T. Batsford, Ltd, London, 1987, ISBN > 0-7134-5577-2. It's back in print and available at Amazon for $20.97. Amazon.com.uk also has a paperback edition but the price is about the same as the new hardcover in the US. > Does anyone know of any sources on Or nue work? Metal Thread Embroidery by Barbara Dawson has a bit on how to do it. Or did you want info on historical pieces? --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 00:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h534QuHP001940 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5329NUw020802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5329LOh023776; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5329IOh023754 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.124.37.174]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HFV00DFXVBHJ4@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:09:14 -0700 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maternity clothes In-reply-to: <200306022153.40731.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20030602190819.00e05b80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >how does one nurse a child > > in a 1880s basque with all the typical underpinnings? > > >I suspect that's part of what wrappers were for. :-) I've seen things like that for 1880s - shapeless and relatively corset-free. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 01:14:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h535EuHP004617 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 01:14:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h535EQUw007634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h535EO2u015131; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h535EN2u015106 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0HFW000J53VSMQ@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:14:16 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:14:16 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Metal Thread Embroidery by Barbara Dawson has a bit on how to do > it. Oops, no it doesn't--the book I was actually thinking of is Ecclesiastical Embroidery by Beryl Dean. Sorry for the bad lead. --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 06:39:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Ad6HP008635 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:39:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53AcLUw001336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53AcF3W019159; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53AcB3W019112 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0162.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.163]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12D6BE7E1 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:38:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:40:47 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I finally started working on my partlet! And I made some digital pictures of it. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 06:55:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53AtBHP009574 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53AsfUw002121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Ase3W024701; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Asb3W024662 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4765F1106F8 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17de01c329be$86d38500$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:54:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Holy smoke, Deredere! That is going to be a masterpiece! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet > Hi, > > I finally started working on my partlet! > And I made some digital pictures of it. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 08:41:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CfAHP015233 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:41:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CeBUw009094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CeAGd006313; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Ce8Gd006296 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-014scfairp0159.dialsprint.net ([63.183.136.159] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NB5D-0003Ru-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCA4DF.4050907@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:38:39 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet References: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I finally started working on my partlet! > And I made some digital pictures of it. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html That looks beautiful! What dress will you wear it with? Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 08:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CqMHP015563 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CpnUw010175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CplGd011645; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53CpkGd011616 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-014scfairp0159.dialsprint.net ([63.183.136.159] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NBGT-000039-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCA798.3030107@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:50:16 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Inventory--the next book? References: <20030602140005.T59546-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Speaking of the Henry VIII Inventory, after looking over the last messages about it, which point to the David Brown Book Co. website, I feel I should point out that it can be ordered from Oxbow Books, their UK affiliate, at 80 pounds. That's roughly $130 US, as opposed to the list price on David Brown, which is $256. Though it's a heavy book, even with shipping (especially if you choose the slow boat) that's a much better deal. And while I'm on the subject of expensive but very useful books, Textile Conservation and Research by Mechtild Flury-Lemberg, which sometimes goes for over $200 used, can be had new from the Abegg-Stiftung (the original source) for under $100. http://www.abegg-stiftung.ch It's not listed on their website, but I've emailed them and confirmed that it is indeed currently available. (Thanks to Danielle Nunn-Weinberg for that tip!) Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 09:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53D69HP016108 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:06:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53D5RUw011588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53D5OFP019219; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53D5LFP019140 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0162.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.163]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C990CBE83D for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:05:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EDC9DAD.8020604@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:07:57 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet References: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> <3EDCA4DF.4050907@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > That looks beautiful! What dress will you wear it with? By the end of this month we will go to a big SCA event. And I will probably wear this partlet with my weddingdress. I am affraid this is not hystorical correct. I wanted my weddingdress to be Italian but I think it turned out to be more spanish. But I will make this dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html But then the partlet would be a little rich for such a plain dress :-( . I probably wil have to make or adjust a dress to fit with the partlet ;-) . Greetings, Deredere > > > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 09:27:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53DRHHP017153 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53DP0W4012983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53DJcFP025464; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53DJaFP025448 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-227.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.227] helo=pavilion) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NBhP-0006hH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c329d4$cacacdc0$e30e77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> <17de01c329be$86d38500$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:33:58 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just what I thought......... Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet > Holy smoke, Deredere! That is going to be a masterpiece! > > Dianne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deredere Galbraith" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:40 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet > > > > Hi, > > > > I finally started working on my partlet! > > And I made some digital pictures of it. > > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > > > > Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 10:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53E8UHP018885 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:08:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53E7oUw017702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53E7jOP021078; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53E7eOP021011 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NCRw-0007hb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:07:40 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:07:38 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c329d9$7e07ac60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001001c329d4$cacacdc0$e30e77d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ditto! I am so impressed! What an inspiration to us all! Sg ~ ~> Holy smoke, Deredere! That is going to be a masterpiece! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 10:24:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EOPHP019637 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:24:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53ENnUw019160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53ENmOP029714; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53ENjOP029691 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-030scfairp0233.dialsprint.net ([158.254.232.233] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NChU-0002BL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCBD27.2060703@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:22:15 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet References: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> <3EDCA4DF.4050907@faucet.net> <3EDC9DAD.8020604@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > But I will make this dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html > But then the partlet would be a little rich for such a plain dress :-( . Oh, I don't know. The dress will be silk, after all, and the partlet will be a lovely accent. > I probably wil have to make or adjust a dress to fit with the partlet ;-) . That works, too--we're always happy to see more of your creations! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 10:36:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EaJHP020027 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EZkUw020584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EZjOP007072; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EZeOP006995 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.154]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AA46B4800B5 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c329dd$f0205d70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:39:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] update of my partlet. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, What a job you are doing here. Oh it looks sooooooooooooo good. Congratulations, you solved an impossible task. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 10:38:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EcLHP020075 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:38:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EbJUw020784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EbJOP008126; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53EbEOP008059 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.154]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 70E554800F6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c329de$297c8210$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:41:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] another website i lost. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. There was one lady who shared her renaissance middleclass dress with us. I never had a look. Would somebody please email the address again? Thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:06:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F6PHP020663 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:06:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F5kUw024053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F5j3S026105; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F5g3S026021 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a255.in-tch.com [66.62.107.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h53El7H09617 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDCB9A0.EBDBEFFE@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:07:12 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet References: <001101c329d9$7e07ac60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear, hear! --sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Ditto! I am so impressed! What an inspiration to us all! > > Sg > > ~ > ~> Holy smoke, Deredere! That is going to be a masterpiece! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F9eHP020703 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F8uUw024422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F8t3S028189; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53F8p3S028111 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.190.1b3521f6 (17079) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1b3521f6.2c0e13ef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:08:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] another website i lost. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2003 9:37:41 AM Central Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Hi. > There was one lady who shared her renaissance middleclass dress with us. I > never had a look. > Would somebody please email the address again? > Was that me? I know there's a lot of middle class dress diaries out there. If it was me, my diary URL is in my sig line. -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:12:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FCqHP020734 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:12:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FC4Uw024747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FC13S000874; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FA23S029148 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.48.1d9c31a9 (17079) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <48.1d9c31a9.2c0e1446@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my good golly! Zowie! That is gorgeous! NOw *I* wanna learn how to make those buttons/jewels. *covet* -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FEQHP020737 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FDYUw024951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FDX3S001925; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h53FDJ3S001723 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OsS8sTiKcrErSXZoynFvmYk=">; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:12:59 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZRSP63X; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:12:59 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:55:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources Message-ID: <20030603.081224.228.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-20,23-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:03:03 -1000 (HST) annora writes: > > There is also a very good book on Goldwork by Jane Lemon--it is OP, > but > > you might be able to find it in a library. METAL THREAD > EMBROIDERY: > > TOOLS, MATERIALS, AND TECHNIQUES, B.T. Batsford, Ltd, London, > 1987, ISBN > > 0-7134-5577-2. > > It's back in print and available at Amazon for $20.97. > Amazon.com.uk also has a paperback edition but the price is about > the same as the new hardcover in the US. Cool! :-) > > > Does anyone know of any sources on Or nue work? > > Metal Thread Embroidery by Barbara Dawson has a bit on how > to do it. Or did you want info on historical pieces? Historical and how-to. One of my sources tells me that the gold used in historic or nue pieces can't be found anymore--I am curious as to what substitutes might. And also how to do the technique. thanks, Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:16:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FGPHP020741 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:16:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FFRUw025121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FFR3S003002; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FFO3S002960 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.154]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DEC425EE1C4 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c329e3$7f5137d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:19:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?update_of_toill=E9_=28robe_francaise=29?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. there also is update of the francaise dress. I made the toille today. I am a little conserned about the sleaves. They sit very long way towards the back i think. But it fits in with the corset and when it comes to it, they had to stand straight and push their shoulders back ok? I have also cut the overskirt and now i am going to apply the embroidered panels to the blue silk. I am so happy, because these 3 days off my job every week, really pushes my work with sewing.......... Anyway the update is here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/dressdiary.html Click at the bottom to go to the toillé draping. Hope you enjoy! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:24:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FO2HP020765 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:24:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FIEUw025438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FIC3S004849; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FI53S004758 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NDY4-00000N-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:18:05 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] another website i lost. Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c329e3$54a636c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <190.1b3521f6.2c0e13ef@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had missed this too. Very nice work! Is your name really Sarra? Saragrace (always curious about names since mine is a little odd) "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:25:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FPQHP020772 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:25:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FOlUw026144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FOk3S009442; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FOf3S009379 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NDeR-0002DO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:24:40 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:24:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c329e4$4022a340$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Help with removing "back dye"?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooooooh I am sooo mad at myself. I had just worn my new 'fighter practice' gown and need to wash it. I forgot and left it in the machine overnight and now the blue/green dye on the linen has set up on the dupioni lining and insets. I had washed it with synathropol which would probably have kept the dye in solution but since it lay all over itself... Should I wash it right away again? I thought I would ask because I want to keep it as new looking as possible, so if there is no hope for it, I will just let it be. I dyed the linen with Dharma's procion dyes. and washed it numerous times to prevent this, but..grumble, kick, spit.. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:33:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FXnHP020825 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FS7Uw026537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FS33S011921; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FRu3S011779 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.c6.1dc59cd1 (17079) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] another website i lost. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2003 10:18:53 AM Central Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > I had missed this too. Very nice work! > > Is your name really Sarra? > > Saragrace (always curious about names since mine is a little odd) > Thanks! Nah, it's Sarah..."Sarra" is my Kewl 'Bethan Spelling. "Saragrace" is so pretty! -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 11:35:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FZ0HP020828 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FYLUw027285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53FYK3S016385; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h53FYF3S016279 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrG1xc7YzC5nxcGAqbF33tcIZZQnn3YiiQ==">; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:34:01 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZRTWPHX; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:34:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?update_of_toill=E9_=28robe_francaise=29?= Message-ID: <20030603.103247.-83026689.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7,20-24 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, The dress looks fantastic! It looks so good in the muslin, I can't wait to see what the real fabric looks like. Of course the embroidery is outstanding as well. I hope that someday we can all get together so that we can see your work in person, I'm sure it's even better up close. You are right that the arms are set into the shoulders in a way that seems very far back to our modern eyes. The 18th century corsets drew the shoulders back and down to give a broad front with sloping shoulders and a narrow back. I made a classic mistake years ago when I was a teenager and frist learning to do 18th century costumes- I enlarged one of Janet Arnold's 18th century patterns from 'Patterns of Fashion' but didn't realize the difference in silhouette until I tried to wear it and it cut into my rather broad, square shoulders to such an extent that I couldn't wear the riding habit comfortably. I learned THAT lesson really well! You need to make sure that either the lady who will wear the gown is going to keep her body held in the 18th century posture, or that you modify the shoulder design to accomodate a more modern style. If you don't, the dress will be agony for her to wear. Just my tuppence worth! Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 12:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GbiHP021086 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:37:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GSEUw003324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GSBcM024716; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GS7cM024678 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-001scfairp0062.dialsprint.net ([63.184.192.62] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NEdq-0000I2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCDA4E.5010207@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:26:38 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of =?ISO-8859-1?Q?toill=E9_=28robe_franc?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?aise=29?= References: <20030603.103247.-83026689.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > You are right that the arms are set into the shoulders in a way that > seems very far back to our modern eyes. The 18th century corsets drew the > shoulders back and down to give a broad front with sloping shoulders and > a narrow back. In fact, if you make a good solid corset and make sure to put in those diagonal bones over the shoulderblades, you can achieve something of this effect even with a modern body. The diagonal bones are there to push the shoulderblades in and keep them there, which to some extent enforces the proper posture. Of course, there are quotes in Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines from 18th-century letters about how the corsets are cut so wide at the front that they cut into their arms. So it's not just us! ;) Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 12:44:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Gi7HP021114 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GhPUw005283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GhNcM006869; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GhJcM006789 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip140.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.140]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CBA6A6D6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:43:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources Message-ID: <3EDC6DBB.11248.15FB9A61@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030603.081224.228.4.Cley@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Metal Thread Embroidery by Barbara Dawson has a bit on how > > to do it. Or did you want info on historical pieces? > > Historical and how-to. One of my sources tells me that the gold used > in historic or nue pieces can't be found anymore--I am curious as to > what substitutes might. And also how to do the technique. Arlys, do get the Dawson book if you can. It addresses this specifically. (I had out my stack of metal threads embroidery books this morning and was looking through them to make sure which books would be best to recommend to Cainder. Since what Cainder is doing is essentially a form of Or Nue, I wanted to make sure that she had a book which described the technique well enough.) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 15:25:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JP6HP022943 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JOYUw024102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JOXhl005639; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JNVhn004777 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFX00JB0775F6@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:05:55 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[h-cost]__update_of_toill=E9_(robe_?= francaise) In-reply-to: <000b01c329e3$7f5137d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603120253.02799d38@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 6/1/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h53JNVhn004777 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:19 PM 6/3/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Anyway the update is here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/dressdiary.html >Click at the bottom to go to the toillé draping. >Hope you enjoy! Wow, that is all just lovely and beautiful. And I am glad you shared the toille as well, as I have never really seen a full toille workup before. I work from patterns or a sloper, but I can see how a toille really is a useful skill to learn. The way it all drapes and such on the form is wonderful. You can really see how things are going to go, which I always fret over when I am making out a pattern on paper. Thanks Bjarne! Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 15:29:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JTLHP022965 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:29:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JNfUw023980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JNYhl004824; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JNVhl004777 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFX00JB0775F6@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:01:31 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Udated website of my partlet In-reply-to: <3EDC7B2F.8030607@kabelfoon.nl> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603115924.00af9d48@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 6/1/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Deredere, that is wonderful how those buttons are looking. I am glad to see that the polymer clay idea is working for you. The partlet is going to be wonderful! And if you have to make a new dress to match the partlet, then so much the better in my mind. But then for me, any excuse to make a pretty new dress. Kimiko At 12:40 PM 6/3/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I finally started working on my partlet! >And I made some digital pictures of it. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > >Greetings, > Deredere Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 15:46:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JkrHP023094 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53JkBUw026440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Jk9hl021946; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53Jk3hl021787 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0162.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.163]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7419FCEC for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EDCFB97.1030201@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:48:39 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of =?ISO-8859-1?Q?toill=E9_=28robe_fran?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?caise=29?= References: <000b01c329e3$7f5137d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is looking good! Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Hi. >there also is update of the francaise dress. I made the toille today. >I am a little conserned about the sleaves. They sit very long way towards >the back i think. But it fits in with the corset and when it comes to it, >they had to stand straight and push their shoulders back ok? >I have also cut the overskirt and now i am going to apply the embroidered >panels to the blue silk. I am so happy, because these 3 days off my job >every week, really pushes my work with sewing.......... >Anyway the update is here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/dressdiary.html >Click at the bottom to go to the toillé draping. >Hope you enjoy! > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 22:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5427BHP027417 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:07:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5426SUw006133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5426Kd5028215; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5426Gd5028151 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h541lfr08320 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDD5474.765C6CEE@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:07:48 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with removing "back dye"?? References: <000001c329e4$4022a340$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might try washing it again, or washing it with Biz. Of course, I don't know what the Biz would do to your black bits, but it worked well for me when the red silk embroidery on a coif-to-be ran and stained the linen varying shades of pink. --sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Oooooooh I am sooo mad at myself. I had just worn my new 'fighter > practice' gown and need to wash it. I forgot and left it in the machine > overnight and now the blue/green dye on the linen has set up on the > dupioni lining and insets. I had washed it with synathropol which would > probably have kept the dye in solution but since it lay all over > itself... > > Should I wash it right away again? I thought I would ask because I want > to keep it as new looking as possible, so if there is no hope for it, I > will just let it be. > > I dyed the linen with Dharma's procion dyes. and washed it numerous > times to prevent this, but..grumble, kick, spit.. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 3 23:57:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h543veHP027656 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:57:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h543v3Uw017617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h543uvHT026084; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h543umHT025915 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0HFX00MICUYBJS@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:56:36 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 17:56:34 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gold work sources In-reply-to: <20030603.081224.228.4.Cley@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Historical and how-to. One of my sources tells me that the gold used in > historic or nue pieces can't be found anymore--I am curious as to what > substitutes might. And also how to do the technique. The Jane Lemon book does say that Japanese gold "became impossible to buy from the 1970s onwards" but it has the following about Jap gold and silver substitutes. "A thread made in a similar manner to the original jap gold, but using a plated alloy instead of the gold leaf. It is handled in exactly the same manner, but it is easier to use because it does not come unwound so easily." For historical pieces, one of my favorite sources is The Conservation of Tapestries and Embroideries - Proceedings of Meetings at the Institut Royal du Patrimoine Artistique, Brussels, Belgium, September 21-24, 1987. There are three papers on the conservation attempts on pieces from the 13th, 15th, and early 16th centuries. One of them is the set of Burgundian vestments that are shown in figures 254-268 of Schuette (which IIRC you said you have). The pictures aren't as large or as clear as the ones in Schuette but there's a short discussion of technique. Because the book deals with conservation, there are some nice closeups of the work, although they're of small areas. --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 01:51:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h545pgHP028452 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:51:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h545p3Uw027715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h545p0Ve020773; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h545ouVe020731 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13416 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:12:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:12:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Need Norris quote X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Believe it or not, I need a quote out of Norris (the volume that covers 14th c.), and I don't have it on my own shelf. Can someone who has a copy and a few minutes to look something up for me, please email me privately? Thanks. --Robin, slapping together a lecture for this weekend _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 08:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54C82HP031941 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:08:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54C7UUw025805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54C7R2c028278; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54C7O2c028244 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A13E154A0072; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:08:30 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0FA8A0140; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:07:22 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c32a92$25054500$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:09:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] June Online Classes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The following is a list of June online classes at the Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com : Starts June 2: (can enter this class as late as Saturday) ***Propriety, Plain and Fancy: Victorian and Edwardian Fashions from Bustle to Gibson Girl (enrollment is open until June 7) Starts June 23: ***No Lady of Leisure- Dress for the Working Class Victorian/Edwardian Woman (1850-1910) ***Elizabethan Glove Making: Make your own pair of gloves ***Costume Analysis of Four Films Set in Elizabethan England Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 08:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CDnHP031947 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CCkUw026093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CCj2c000441; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CCh2c000408 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-105.jps.net ([216.119.3.105] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NX8E-0007Zc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c32a94$9f30ae80$690377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need Norris quote Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 05:27:09 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO you probably have 500 responses already, but I own up to possessing a copy! What would you like? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] Need Norris quote > > Believe it or not, I need a quote out of Norris (the volume that covers > 14th c.), and I don't have it on my own shelf. Can someone who has a copy > and a few minutes to look something up for me, please email me privately? > Thanks. > > --Robin, slapping together a lecture for this weekend > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 08:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54ChHHP032028 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:43:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CgeUw027925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54Cgc2c012666; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54CgX2c012619 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15119 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:04:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need Norris quote In-Reply-To: <001c01c32a94$9f30ae80$690377d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm covered now! Thank you! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 09:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54D9JHP032105 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:09:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54D8gUw029453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54D8eSl023252; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54D8cSl023232 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-105.jps.net ([216.119.3.105] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NY0G-0000du-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 06:08:35 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c32a9c$6db132a0$690377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:22:45 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] need help with a colour scheme? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h54D9JHP032105 Status: RO Just found this free download program. SLUGS: http://www.opensourcepan.co.uk/programs/slugs/ (free) ColorImpact Will help you select a colour scheme which can be used for anything including ...... historic garments! Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 10:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EHwHP032318 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EHFUw006716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EHDFH029991; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EH9FH029945 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NZ4f-00018O-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:17:09 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:17:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone know the origins of "He thinks he is too good for his britches (breeches)"?. I learned it from my mother who was from the southern US. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 10:23:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54ENRHP032327 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:23:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EMnUw007425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EMmFH003691; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54EMkFH003608 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCokQC1rWqhNtptT02/1gx8CLrI3j9eJJpg==">; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:22:39 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZT98QD8; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:22:39 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:12:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? Message-ID: <20030604.091244.-83117381.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-7,9-10,12-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't heard of 'too good for his britches' but I have heard 'he's getting too big for his britches' meaning someone who has a great deal of attitude/arrogance. Karen from Chicago On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:17:05 -0700 "Saragrace Knauf" writes: > Anyone know the origins of "He thinks he is too good for his > britches (breeches)"?. I learned it from my mother who was from the southern > US. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 10:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EWiHP032362 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EWCUw008611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EWAFH009846; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from providenceday.org (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EW6FH009787 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.154.67.195] (HELO providenceday.org) by providenceday.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 284073 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:32:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:32:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Grace Morris To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-Id: <50B75C23-9699-11D7-AB7B-000393D30BFA@providenceday.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In North Carolina it's "too big for his britches", i.e. he's got a lot of growing up to do/behavior above his station, etc.. Grace /Jessamyn On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Anyone know the origins of "He thinks he is too good for his britches > (breeches)"?. I learned it from my mother who was from the southern > US. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 10:50:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54EooHP032410 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:50:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54Eo9Uw010645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54Eo5FH020924; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41009.mail.yahoo.com (web41009.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54Eo2FH020820 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030604144957.16108.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.104.69] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:49:57 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <50B75C23-9699-11D7-AB7B-000393D30BFA@providenceday.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all Here is a link to a picture I mentioned a month or so ago. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/taniagruning/index.html Sorry about the banners and stuff, but that is the way it is. The picture is painted by Hans Kniebel in 1582-84 and is the only known picture of Christian IV as a child. I really like this doublet, but it does have an unusual detail, as far as I can see the sleeves are sewn into the doublet. Tania --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 11:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54F7LHP032451 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54F6bUw012161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54F6Zml000773; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54F6Vml000719 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h54F6Up11030.; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:06:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:06:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:06:17 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h54F6Vml000719 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The version I know (in the UK) is "too big for his boots", with similar meaning. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> grace.morris@providenceday.org 06/04/03 03:32pm >>> In North Carolina it's "too big for his britches", i.e. he's got a lot of growing up to do/behavior above his station, etc.. Grace /Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 11:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FAoHP032460 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FA5Uw012522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FA1ml002784; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41807.mail.yahoo.com (web41807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54F9nml002579 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030604150943.71526.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.185.240.14] by web41807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:09:43 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth hervey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306031643.h53GhdcO007039@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi The Inventory of Henry VIII is also £80 from Amazon.co.uk. Orders from England are no problem and they don't charge p&p on orders over £39, so this is a good time to buy! Two costume URLs I think you'll like & apologies to any who've already seen them. Ladies Treasury of Costume and Fashion www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/ 1 of my costuming finds of 2002. Victorian and Edwardian costumes and needlework. The articles are well-written and very informative and there are original patterns put online free. Can't wait to find a victim to make those men's drawers for! Tudor Links Costume page www.tudorlinks.com/textiles Unusually this Tudor site's got a page of links to costume sites with some I'd never seen before. Bess --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 11:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FJmHP032477 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FJAUw013510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FJ8ml008919; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54FJ5ml008889 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-025scfairp0220.dialsprint.net ([63.183.120.220] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Na2a-0005ki-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDE1B9C.2000409@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:17:32 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites References: <20030604150943.71526.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO elizabeth hervey wrote: > Tudor Links Costume page > > www.tudorlinks.com/textiles This is a great site, and I'd never seen it before, but to get to it I had to add .html to the end: http://www.tudorlinks.com/textiles.html Happy Surfing! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 12:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54GVMHP000304 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:31:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54GUnUw021475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54GUdG4001519; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54GUWG4001406 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4540 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 16:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.inreach.com) (209.142.2.50) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 16:30:30 -0000 Received: from 162.119.64.111 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25705.162.119.64.111.1054744230.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites From: To: In-Reply-To: <3EDE1B9C.2000409@faucet.net> References: <20030604150943.71526.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> <3EDE1B9C.2000409@faucet.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > elizabeth hervey wrote: > >> Tudor Links Costume page >> >> www.tudorlinks.com/textiles > > This is a great site, and I'd never seen it before, but to get to it I > had to add .html to the end: > > http://www.tudorlinks.com/textiles.html > What a great collection of 16th C. info!! I am bookmarking this one! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 13:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HEgHP000415 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HE5Uw026409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HE2AC006069; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54HDrAC005949 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:13:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 41152 invoked by uid 1005); 4 Jun 2003 17:13:49 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.297164 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 17:13:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites In-Reply-To: <20030604150943.71526.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604130911.P1118-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id h54HDrAC005949 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hm, interesting....looks like the section on "Dress around the world" was nabbed off my site as it stood a few months back, Title misCapitalizations and all. :} Drea On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, elizabeth hervey wrote: > > Hi > > The Inventory of Henry VIII is also £80 from Amazon.co.uk. Orders from England are no problem and they don't charge p&p on orders over £39, so this is a good time to buy! > > Two costume URLs I think you'll like & apologies to any who've already seen them. > > Ladies Treasury of Costume and Fashion > > www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/ > > 1 of my costuming finds of 2002. Victorian and Edwardian costumes and needlework. The articles are well-written and very informative and there are original patterns put online free. Can't wait to find a victim to make those men's drawers for! > > Tudor Links Costume page > > www.tudorlinks.com/textiles > > Unusually this Tudor site's got a page of links to costume sites with some I'd never seen before. > > Bess > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 13:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HOtHP000433 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:24:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HOIUw027742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HOGAC015102; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HOBAC014966 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.12e.2b821e60 (4116) for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.2b821e60.2c0f8532@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:24:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Do these match enough? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm, I got all set to cut out my skirt and suddenly noticed a very slight difference is hue between my two lengths of raspberry wool. Poop. Opinions? http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/uk5.html btw, I'm thinking about using both anyway. the slightly off one on the right is gonna be the piecing ..maybe it's period to have to resort to two different dye lots if you're a middle class schmuck like my persona. -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 13:38:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HceHP000545 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HbIUw029348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HbGAC026281; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54Hb7AC026172 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16928 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:59:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites In-Reply-To: <20030604130911.P1118-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Drea Leed wrote: > Hm, interesting....looks like the section on "Dress around the world" was > nabbed off my site as it stood a few months back, Title misCapitalizations > and all. So ... you're going to require them to remove it, I hope? And post a link to you? And the same for anything else they may have "borrowed"? (In my business we also ask for money and/or apologies, depending on how we feel.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 13:47:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HlYHP000595 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HkiUw000512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54HkeAC004206; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54HkbAC004142 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 40067 invoked by uid 1005); 4 Jun 2003 17:46:30 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.09292 secs); 04 Jun 2003 17:46:30 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.09292 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 17:46:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604134235.A1118-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, the links aren't really my property. I myself cruise other sites looking for links to interesting new elizabethan costume sites, so I can add the sites to my page. I consider it a bit rude to do wholesale cut-and-paste like this person did without telling me...but as it is, I've added a lot to my site since these links were nabbed, and have kept my links updated while some of these have fallen victim to link rot. Besides which, the more places that links to Elizabethan costume can be found on the web, the better. Drea On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Drea Leed wrote: > > > Hm, interesting....looks like the section on "Dress around the world" was > > nabbed off my site as it stood a few months back, Title misCapitalizations > > and all. > > So ... you're going to require them to remove it, I hope? And post a link > to you? And the same for anything else they may have "borrowed"? > > (In my business we also ask for money and/or apologies, depending on how > we feel.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 14:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54I5UHP000679 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:05:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54I4XUw002395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54I4Ve4017878; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54I1de4015773 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17075 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:23:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:23:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites In-Reply-To: <20030604134235.A1118-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Drea Leed wrote: > Well, the links aren't really my property. I myself cruise other sites > looking for links to interesting new elizabethan costume sites, so I > can add the sites to my page. I consider it a bit rude to do > wholesale cut-and-paste like this person did without telling me...but > as it is, I've added a lot to my site since these links were nabbed, > and have kept my links updated while some of these have fallen victim > to link rot. Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about an *article* that had been lifted, not a links list. I hadn't looked at the page. (And I thought you seemed awfully calm about it...) As Emily Litella says, "Never mind..." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 15:11:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JBmHP000921 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JArUw009988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JAoPl005986; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JAhPl005911 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFZ007MD19RFI@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:24:32 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV In-reply-to: <20030604144957.16108.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604111943.00afa040@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <50B75C23-9699-11D7-AB7B-000393D30BFA@providenceday.org> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Tania, Thanks for the link to the image. I have a baby boy, and while it will be a few years before he gets such garb, I am trying to collect as much children's images from the time period as I can to get ideas from. With your info, I have started my google search on this person. Thanks again! Kimiko At 07:49 AM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Here is a link to a picture I mentioned a month or so ago. > >http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/taniagruning/index.html > ><> > >The picture is painted by Hans Kniebel in 1582-84 and is the only known >picture of Christian IV as a child. <> Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 15:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JpkHP001108 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JleUw014542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JlcPl004734; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.56.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JlYPl004664 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54JlXHP001046 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:33 -0400 Received: (from fashion@localhost) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h54JlXPm001045 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:33 -0400 From: fashion@sca.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <200306041947.h54JlXPm001045@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Robin Netherton" at May 29, 2003 01:35:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Thu, 29 May 2003, chiara wrote: > > > Well, I have them in email format. If someone can tell me how to convert > > them in mass into something downloadable I will put them on my site with the > > others. :) > > We really need a proper archive with a full-text search; Eric's is > helpful, but not as good as it could be. There are huge volumes of > valuable information in those years of postings, and I would hate for them > to be lost. I do have complete archives upto this very day - I was just deleting all of that @#$#@$ spam that the list recieved. The search engine had to be moved to a new URL because of the new version of Linux I'm running. So just go to http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion I'm just working on the May archives right now. I'd work on my archives a bit more but the twins are still a handfull. At almost 3 months old now they're just getting out of "newborn" sized clothes. At almost 10 lb Ian is starting to feel like a heavyweight. But as long as these kids are a black hole for time I've got no time to update the search engine. If anyone has a good search engine - I have all of the archives going back to the dawn of time - 1993 - Eric _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 16:07:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54K7pHP001233 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54K78Uw017045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54K74KB019747; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54K6xKB019672 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17823 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:29:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:29:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? In-Reply-To: <200306041947.h54JlXPm001045@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 fashion@sca.uwaterloo.ca wrote: > I do have complete archives upto this very day - I was just deleting all > of that @#$#@$ spam that the list recieved. Thank you! > So just go to http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion > > I'm just working on the May archives right now. > > I'd work on my archives a bit more but the twins are still a handfull... > But as long as these kids are a black hole for time I've got no time > to update the search engine. > > If anyone has a good search engine - I have all of the archives going back > to the dawn of time - 1993 Eric, you do an invaluable service making these accessible. If someone can combine forces with you to get us full-text search, that would be icing. But I'm really, really glad you're willing to do as much as you do! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 18:05:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54M5FHP001746 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54M4dUw000599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54M4b64012469; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54M4Y64012353 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.75]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HFZ9BE00.4R0 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:04:26 +1000 Received: from 144.139.221.214 ([144.139.221.214]) by psmam03.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 83/5610062); 05 Jun 2003 08:04:22 Message-ID: <005901c38062$4ce25ec0$d6dd8b90@clarke> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12e.2b821e60.2c0f8532@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Do these match enough? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:03:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Do these match enough? > Hmm, I got all set to cut out my skirt and suddenly noticed a very slight > difference is hue between my two lengths of raspberry wool. Poop. > > Opinions? > http://hometown.aol.com /loreleimorte/uk5.html > > btw, I'm thinking about using both anyway. the slightly off one on the right > is gonna be the piecing ..maybe it's period to have to resort to two different > dye lots if you're a middle class schmuck like my persona. > They look as near enough to make no difference to me. Maybe it's just my monitor but I can't tell the difference at all in the top photo, and only barely in the bottom one. I say don't worry about it. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 18:32:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54MWkHP001795 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:32:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54MV7Uw004110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54MV164002812; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54MUu64002700 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19NgmV-000GuG-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:30:55 +0100 Message-ID: <2UL7zjAP0R3+Iw3Q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:11:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5Bh-cost=5D__update_of_toill=E9_=28robe_francaise=29?= References: <000b01c329e3$7f5137d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000b01c329e3$7f5137d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Don't worry about the sleeves, just follow the pattern. My mother made me a dress like this, from 400 miles away, and she didn't think it could possibly be right, but when I tried it on for the first time it was perfect. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote >Hi. >there also is update of the francaise dress. I made the toille today. >I am a little conserned about the sleaves. They sit very long way towards >the back i think. But it fits in with the corset and when it comes to it, >they had to stand straight and push their shoulders back ok? >I have also cut the overskirt and now i am going to apply the embroidered >panels to the blue silk. I am so happy, because these 3 days off my job >every week, really pushes my work with sewing.......... >Anyway the update is here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/dressdiary.html >Click at the bottom to go to the toillé draping. >Hope you enjoy! > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 19:14:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NEZHP001989 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:14:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NE2Uw008476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NDvEX000993; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsrelay02.mx.net (cmsrelay02.mx.net [165.212.11.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54NDnEX000851 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 23:13:43 -0000 Received: from uwdvg018.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.18] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.06H) with ESMTP id 077HFDXNn0006M37; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:13:40 GMT Received: from 206.163.135.253 [206.163.135.253] by uwdvg018.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.5.5); Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:13:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:13:38 -0700 From: Shea Young To: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.5.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <152HFDXNM8592S18.1054768418@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h54NDnEX000851 Subject: [h-cost] Madder Red book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List, This book came through today and I don't recall it being mentioned before, but it appears to be chuck full of information! Madder Red, a history of luxury and trade, by Robert Chenciner, 2000 ISBN 0-7007-1259-3, cost $49.95 A bit of the jacket states, "The Industrial Revolution sparked a boom in printed textiles and, as a result, demand grew for wool, silk and cottons dyed bright red. An international madder race between Holland, France, Turkey, the Causasus and Central Asia got underway to supply the massive world textile market which was led by Britain. The quest for Turkey red went hand in hand with an avalanche of scientific research, which not only improved the yield of dye stuff from the roots but led to its chemical synthesis and to the inevitable collapse of the worldwide madder industry in the 1870s. May of the nascent dye companies from this period subsequently became chemical giants of our time." Included is a glossary, appendices, notes, select bibliography, several charts, lithographs, and pictures! Enjoy, Shea Shea Young ~ ~ ~ ~ "As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. JUMP! It is not as wide as you think." ~ Joesph Campbell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 19:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NOYHP002015 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NO1Uw009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NNxEX007383; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54NNqEX007280 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Nhbj-0007Kl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:23:51 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Do these match enough? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:23:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c32af0$5bfb4f60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <005901c38062$4ce25ec0$d6dd8b90@clarke> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Same here. ~They look as near enough to make no difference to me. Maybe it's just my ~monitor ~but I can't tell the difference at all in the top photo, and only barely in ~the bottom ~one. I say don't worry about it. ~Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 20:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550ETHP002145 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:14:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550DuUw014002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550DqHf005120; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550DiHf005035 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h54Ljx4r022436 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.182] (tnt-1-246.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.182]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h54LjtuG022370 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:10:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:17 AM -0700 6/4/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >Anyone know the origins of "He thinks he is too good for his britches >(breeches)"?. I learned it from my mother who was from the southern US. > I've always heard it as "too _big_ for his britches" (emphasis mine), which would fit better with the usual metaphoric patterns. (Consider the whole range of body-part metaphors invoking the metaphor "Size is Importance", such as "swelled head", "puffed up with importance", and so forth.) That is, I read the saying as "he's so swelled up with self-importance that his clothes don't fit anymore". I could see going from "too big" to "too good" by a simple substitution, but I'd have a harder time understanding "too good" as a completely independent saying unless it were in a context where "britches" were somehow considered lower class (i.e. "he think's he's too good to wear pants") which doesn't ring any historic resonances. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 20:22:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550MuHP002168 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550MPUw014619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550MOHf009388; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h550MIHf009342 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3657 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 00:22:17 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 00:22:17 -0000 Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-124.sonic.net [209.148.112.124]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6p2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id h550MGM18472 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:22:16 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030604172237.00aaafa8@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:23:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >ore". > >I could see going from "too big" to "too good" by a simple substitution, >but I'd have a harder time understanding "too good" as a completely >independent saying unless it were in a context where "britches" were >somehow considered lower class (i.e. "he think's he's too good to wear pants") or obscene! >which doesn't ring any historic resonances. I've never heard the "too good" saying, just the "too big." Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 4 20:49:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550nFHP002219 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550mlUw016286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550mkHf021556; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h550mfHg021522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2])ESMTP id h550me5R001429 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:48:40 -0700 Received: from [128.95.177.85] (gawne.urol.washington.edu [128.95.177.85]) ESMTP id h550meQN015613 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:48:40 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:48:39 -0700 From: Agnes Gawne To: H-costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <152HFDXNM8592S18.1054768418@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h550mfHg021522 Subject: [h-cost] Too big for his breeches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's the quote from the OED with this statement in it (it is under big, not breeches, sorry. Incidentally 'britches' isn't in the OED at all so it must be an Americanism).  e. Fig. phr. to get, grow, etc., too big for one's boots (breeches, etc.), to become conceited, put on airs.     1835 D. CROCKETT Tour to North 152 When a man gets too big for his breeches, I say Good-bye. 1879 [see BOOT n.3 1c]. 1893 H. MAXWELL Life of W. H. Smith I. ii. 57 Sometimes a young man, Œtoo big for his boots¹, would..sniff at being put in charge of a railway bookstall. 1905 H. G. WELLS Kipps III. ii. §1 He's getting too big for 'is britches. 1929 W. FAULKNER Sound & Fury 270 You're getting a little too big for your pants. 1952 M. LASKI Village xv, A young man who was getting too big for his boots. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 00:11:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h554BJHP002608 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h554AfUw003580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h554AbhP000160; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster1.mebtel.net [64.40.67.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h554AYhP000144 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F071B1FA17 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EDED15F.9030305@grics.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:13:03 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Do these match enough? References: <12e.2b821e60.2c0f8532@aol.com> <005901c38062$4ce25ec0$d6dd8b90@clarke> In-Reply-To: <005901c38062$4ce25ec0$d6dd8b90@clarke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd say go for it, the SCA-Garb list has been in an ongoing and fascinating discussion about differing color vision. Seems some folks see color slightly differently in each eye! *Caveat*: Haven't read the whole thing. (Apologies if this annoys folks on both lists - i've been offline for looong time) Heather L Claire Clarke wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:24 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Do these match enough? > > > > >>Hmm, I got all set to cut out my skirt and suddenly noticed a very slight >>difference is hue between my two lengths of raspberry wool. Poop. >> >>Opinions? >>> >> >HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/uk5.html">http://hometown.aol.com >/loreleimorte/uk5.html > > >>btw, I'm thinking about using both anyway. the slightly off one on the >> >> >right > > >>is gonna be the piecing ..maybe it's period to have to resort to two >> >> >different > > >>dye lots if you're a middle class schmuck like my persona. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 06:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55A3xHP006048 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55A1YUw025027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55A1Qh6014575; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h55A1Nh6014518 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030605100118.88234.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.185.132.12] by web41809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:01:18 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth hervey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306041804.h54I4Be6017626@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Inventory & Costume Sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie's right there's .html on the end of those www.tudorlinks.com/textiles.html www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/index.html BTW very irritating for you if it's true Drea but it's nice you're generous about it & not greedy for money. It doesn't look like a commercial site to me and you're already mentioned twice in the costume page and you're on their recommended site list too http://www.tudorlinks.com/essential.html so at least if they have taken they've given too. ATB, Bess --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 06:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55AkqHP006131 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55AkJUw027658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55AkHh6002907; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41803.mail.yahoo.com (web41803.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h55AkFh6002842 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030605104609.11154.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.185.240.13] by web41803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:46:09 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth hervey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306041804.h54I4Be6017626@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Inventory & Costume Sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie's right there's .html on the end of those www.tudorlinks.com/textiles.html www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/index.html BTW very irritating for you if it's true Drea but it's nice you're generous about it & not greedy for money. It doesn't look like a commercial site to me and you're already mentioned twice in the costume page and you're on their recommended site list too http://www.tudorlinks.com/essential.html so at least if they have taken they've given too. ATB, Bess --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 08:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CcRHP010574 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CbrUw006053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CbpPQ019355; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CbmPQ019297 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a249.in-tch.com [66.62.107.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h55CJBr05558 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDF39F8.BD7A79A9@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:39:20 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Do these match enough? References: <001201c32af0$5bfb4f60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd say go for it. I can see *very* slight color differences in both the top example and the second example, but it is very slight. Good luck.... sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Same here. > > ~They look as near enough to make no difference to me. Maybe it's just > my > ~monitor > ~but I can't tell the difference at all in the top photo, and only > barely in > ~the bottom > ~one. I say don't worry about it. > ~Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 08:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CfgHP010587 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:41:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CfDUw006320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CfCPQ020618; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55Cf9PQ020526 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a249.in-tch.com [66.62.107.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h55CMSr07862 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDF3ABD.1859FCB1@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:42:37 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV References: <20030604144957.16108.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooh! I like the fabric! And you're right, the sleeves do look sewn in.... --sue Tania Gruning wrote: > > Hi all > > Here is a link to a picture I mentioned a month or so ago. > > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/taniagruning/index.html > > Sorry about the banners and stuff, but that is the way it is. > > The picture is painted by Hans Kniebel in 1582-84 and is the only known picture of Christian IV as a child. > > I really like this doublet, but it does have an unusual detail, as far as I can see the sleeves are sewn into the doublet. > > Tania > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 08:47:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55ClOHP010614 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CkLUw006802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CkKPQ023219; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55CkHPQ023176 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a249.in-tch.com [66.62.107.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h55CRer13506 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDF3BF5.C1F5BFBC@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:47:49 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites References: <20030604130911.P1118-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, parts of it certainly "sound" familiar. Lazy, at the very least, I'd think.... --sue's two pence worth... Drea Leed wrote: > > Hm, interesting....looks like the section on "Dress around the world" was > nabbed off my site as it stood a few months back, Title misCapitalizations > and all. > > :} > > Drea > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, elizabeth hervey wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > The Inventory of Henry VIII is also £80 from Amazon.co.uk. Orders from England are no problem and they don't charge p&p on orders over £39, so this is a good time to buy! > > > > Two costume URLs I think you'll like & apologies to any who've already seen them. > > > > Ladies Treasury of Costume and Fashion > > > > www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/ > > > > 1 of my costuming finds of 2002. Victorian and Edwardian costumes and needlework. The articles are well-written and very informative and there are original patterns put online free. Can't wait to find a victim to make those men's drawers for! > > > > Tudor Links Costume page > > > > www.tudorlinks.com/textiles > > > > Unusually this Tudor site's got a page of links to costume sites with some I'd never seen before. > > > > Bess > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 09:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DbqHP010801 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DbGUw011641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DbCTw017824; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DbATw017801 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NuvV-00045a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:37:09 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Too big for his breeches Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c32b67$900e7bc0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h55DbATw017801 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to everyone for their replies and yes you all are correct, I had said it incorrectly-It was "too big" not "too good". And yes, "britches" is a an American colloquialism. Thanks again, Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Agnes Gawne ~Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:49 PM ~To: H-costume ~Subject: [h-cost] Too big for his breeches ~ ~Here's the quote from the OED with this statement in it (it is under big, ~not breeches, sorry. Incidentally 'britches' isn't in the OED at all so it ~must be an Americanism). ~ ~ e. Fig. phr. to get, grow, etc., too big for one's boots (breeches, etc.), ~to become conceited, put on airs. ~ ~  1835 D. CROCKETT Tour to North 152 When a man gets too big for his ~breeches, I say Good-bye. 1879 [see BOOT n.3 1c]. 1893 H. MAXWELL Life of W. ~H. Smith I. ii. 57 Sometimes a young man, Œtoo big for his boots¹, ~would..sniff at being put in charge of a railway bookstall. 1905 H. G. WELLS ~Kipps III. ii. §1 He's getting too big for 'is britches. 1929 W. FAULKNER ~Sound & Fury 270 You're getting a little too big for your pants. 1952 M. ~LASKI Village xv, A young man who was getting too big for his boots. ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 09:45:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DjVHP010828 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DiwUw012443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DivTw021203; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55DitTw021182 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-64.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.64] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Nv2v-0005TW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: <00a901c32b6a$aaed1de0$400e77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12e.2b821e60.2c0f8532@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Do these match enough? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:59:04 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sarra, wrote: > Hmm, I got all set to cut out my skirt and suddenly noticed a very slight > difference is hue between my two lengths of raspberry wool. Poop. > > Opinions? > http://hometown.aol.com /loreleimorte/uk5.html > > btw, I'm thinking about using both anyway. the slightly off one on the right > is gonna be the piecing ..maybe it's period to have to resort to two different > dye lots if you're a middle class schmuck like my persona. I wasn't able to look at the fabric as the link didn't work, but even if the fabric doesn't match perfectly, unmatched fabric would have definitely occurred more often before synthetic dyes, especially while using small dye vats. Your slightly mismatched fabric would only add to the natural beauty of your garment and might even lead to an interesting discussing of period dyeing practices and pitfalls. Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 10:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55Ec2HP011010 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55EW4Uw017183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55EW1f6019036; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55EVbf6018724 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NvmC-0007cd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:31:36 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:31:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c32b6f$2b4da960$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Best Breughel Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi guys, I am looking to buy a book on Breughel and since I live in buckwheat egypt have limited access to stores where I can actually put my hands on the books to decide what I want. If any of you have suggestions about which volumes have the best pictures I'd like to hear what they are. I'd be interested in both paintings and woodblocks of all the relatives. Thanks in advance, Sg "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 11:57:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55FvJHP011554 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55FuhUw026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55FufFL013113; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55FuaFL013048 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h55FuYp06625.; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:56:29 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:56:19 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h55FuaFL013048 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tania wrote: >>>I really like this doublet, but it does have an unusual detail, as far as I can see the sleeves are sewn into the doublet. Do you mean as opposed to tied on? I've noticed that 16th/17th century costumes in films sometimes have the sleeves only partially attached, but not seen any written references to them not being sewn on. I know some types of garment had elaborate detachable sleeves, but for a standard doublet with the sleeves matching the body, why would they not be stitched in place? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 13:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55HVtHP011924 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55HVCUw008284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55HV03X022799; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55HUh3Y022520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty2106.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.106]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h55HUqrf004472 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3EDF7E02.10608@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:29:38 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best Breughel Books References: <000c01c32b6f$2b4da960$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Saragrace, both Borders Press and Taschen have books out currently. Taschen is listed as being "complete" with all of the paintings (I haven't checked whether or not this is true, I wouldn't know if it wasn't). If you can find a copy (I have one), ther is a 1963 Dover book called "Graphic Worlds of Peter Bruegel the Elder" by H. Arthur Klein that has 64 engravings in it. I wouldn't know how complete of a work there is out there, but those are my usual sources. Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 14:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55Ix0HP012328 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:59:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55IwCUw020474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55IwAG2028896; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55Iw5G2028829 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D0BD75EE1FD for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:58:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c32b94$7e807d90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:58:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] shocking pink X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I dont remember if i asked you before, well i do it again. I looked in my closet, and found a bunch of silk dupionis in a plastic bag, i had forgot all about them. Well there is a shocking pink, and i tell you it is really vivid colour, but nice. I have 12 meters of it. Then i have always wanted to make a robe anglaise, with this beautifull back cut. There is a lovely pattern by Arnold in the small Kyoto book, and there is a picture of it in the large Kyoto book, dated from 1785-90, so it is rather late date for this fashion. Now i have seen in the book, there are other garments made in pink, but would my shocking pink fit in? I want to make this as a gift for a lady i have met on another list. She is reenacting with the Swedish society of Gustafs Skål, because she has offered me acomodations at her place, when i am going next month for a Grande Fete a la Nature, at the Haga Castle. A dress like this, and a black huge hat with a large pink bow, with a pink ribbon trimmed at the hat brim, how does that sound? Any suggestions, oppinions are warmly welcomed, Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 15:25:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JPFHP012429 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JOgUw024093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JOaG2018898; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h55JOUG2018713 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWs37rEI5dRRhz1gPmF6UZDdMfuElY+v2rw==">; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:23:37 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZXDUJDL; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:23:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:24:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Message-ID: <20030605.152458.-407669.5.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It isn't a period I am very familiar with, but the whole gown/hat thing sound fantastic to me. If you ever want to come to Florida let me know and you can stay at my house. I won't even ask for a gown, just to see some of your work up close. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 15:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JcHHP012482 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:38:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JbhUw025996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JbfG2028980; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55JbcG2028938 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FD7A5EE18F for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001c01c32b9a$06880000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030605.152458.-407669.5.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:38:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Lalah. Oh that is very generous of you, thankyou. Well, one never knows, but i hate fly that long, and i have a fobia about flying over water for a long time, i know it is crazy, but it is because my worst dying nightmare is drowning. When i go to England, i fly over water, i know, but it is only a short time, and i sit and think, i think we make it, i think we make it. It is crazy. Florida sounds very tempting though, i love to swim in the ocean! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink > It isn't a period I am very familiar with, but the whole gown/hat > thing sound fantastic to me. If you ever want to come to Florida let me > know and you can stay at my house. I won't even ask for a gown, just to > see some of your work up close. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 16:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KSrHP012641 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KSGUw001787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KSBED006487; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KS3ED006399 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (dialport64.tukwila.eskimo.net [208.187.15.36]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04975 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006b01c32ba0$f22b6dc0$240fbbd0@bently> From: "David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030605.152458.-407669.5.catpurson@juno.com> <001c01c32b9a$06880000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:27:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Don't forget, you don't have to fly...you can take an ocean liner like I'm going to do on my way home! And if you get as far as Florida, you really should go the extra couple thousand miles and visit me in Seattle. We have the Pacific Ocean here, I think Lalah only has the Gulf of Mexico. Pam Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink > Dear Lalah. > Oh that is very generous of you, thankyou. > Well, one never knows, but i hate fly that long, and i have a fobia about > flying over water for a long time, i know it is crazy, but it is because my > worst dying nightmare is drowning. > When i go to England, i fly over water, i know, but it is only a short time, > and i sit and think, i think we make it, i think we make it. > It is crazy. > Florida sounds very tempting though, i love to swim in the ocean! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink > > > > It isn't a period I am very familiar with, but the whole gown/hat > > thing sound fantastic to me. If you ever want to come to Florida let me > > know and you can stay at my house. I won't even ask for a gown, just to > > see some of your work up close. > > > > Lalah > > Never give up, Never surrender > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 16:35:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KZBHP012669 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KYcUw002612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KYZED011546; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55KYSED011443 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-013scfairp0472.dialsprint.net ([63.183.129.218] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19O1RL-0000G1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDFB704.3050002@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:32:52 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink References: <20030605.152458.-407669.5.catpurson@juno.com> <001c01c32b9a$06880000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006b01c32ba0$f22b6dc0$240fbbd0@bently> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO David wrote: > Bjarne, > > Don't forget, you don't have to fly...you can take an ocean liner like I'm > going to do on my way home! And if you get as far as Florida, you really > should go the extra couple thousand miles and visit me in Seattle. We > have the Pacific Ocean here, I think Lalah only has the Gulf of Mexico. Ah, but I'm closer than both of them, so you don't have to fly (or sail) so far! I'm in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, which is on the Atlantic Coast, and this is known as a beach resort town! Just let me know when you'll be dropping by... Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 17:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LQoHP012834 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:26:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LQCUw008714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LQ4Xe020760; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LQ1Xe020715 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19O2FD-0001Zy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:25:59 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c32ba9$0fca2800$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3EDFB704.3050002@faucet.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I have to make my pitch too...when it gets really cold in winter you and your honey could always stay at my place outside Phoenix to warm up!! About the pink fabric though......I don't know that period much either, but even if it were acceptable it would probably bug me. Would you consider over-dying it? I just love vat dying in my machine and you could get the crispness back by starching it. I have used Dharma's procion dye "bronze" to tone down everything from red to green with success. Wouldn't hurt to test a piece though. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 17:30:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LUCHP012851 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:30:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LTcUw009187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LTaXe023670; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LTRXe023552 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19O2IY-000Ogh-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:29:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:28:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where does this clothing related saying come from? References: <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <000801c32aa3$fbf8ac80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <5.2.0.9.0.20030604172237.00aaafa8@pop.sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030604172237.00aaafa8@pop.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote > >>ore". >> >>I could see going from "too big" to "too good" by a simple >>substitution, but I'd have a harder time understanding "too good" as a >>completely independent saying unless it were in a context where >>"britches" were somehow considered lower class (i.e. "he think's he's >>too good to wear pants") > >or obscene! > But now we do have "too sexy for my shirt". Did that phrase exist before Right Said Fred, or is it original? Jean > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:13:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MDXHP012964 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MCuUw014665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MCtJ5028464; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MCqJ5028437 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19O2yZ-0005gx-00; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:12:51 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32baf$9be2d070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: Heather Heroldt-work Subject: [h-cost] A fun way to experiment with color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think Lisa may have turned us on the other day to a shareware program that allowed you to experiment with colors. I happened to see an add for Behr paint that had a similar tool on the web. They will suggest colors and you can change them easily. You can even put them on the their virtual walls. You can create an account to save your work. It is a great way to experiment not only with paint but garb palates as well http://www.behr.com/ Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MYWHP013024 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MXuUw016763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MXtS1013952; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f35.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MXqS1013826 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:33:46 -0700 Received: from 66.237.9.226 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:33:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.237.9.226] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:33:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 22:33:46.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[86CD9960:01C32BB2] Subject: [h-cost] OT - Dress form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and was hoping to get some good advice... My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as an early graduation present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm doing a little bit of research and would love to hear the opinions of the listmembers on what your favorite type of dress form is and why. I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. I currently have one of those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally purchased in a size too small for any real use. I decided to keep it in case I had daughters or early teen sized people I was making things for. However, now I want to get a real dress form that will earn it's keep. I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and dealer of forms such as I need. I will ask at school tonight, but until then... any tips or hints on your favorite dress form and why? Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you plan on using it regularly? At school, we use the industry standard - 8. But in my mind that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a 10. Any thoughts? Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. You guys are the best!!! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MdiHP013052 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:39:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55McOUw017281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55McNS1017227; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h55McKS1017131 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWs37rEI5dRRhA+BXqOEsnf/BPZqaCIDwWA==">; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:37:19 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZXQW8AL; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:37:19 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:38:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Message-ID: <20030605.183839.-407669.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-9,11-13 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <<>> Not so. I live in Central Florida almost equally distant from the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean (about an hour and a half drive in either direction). And near enough to Disney World and Universal and Sea World that I worked at Disney for four years a while back. However if Bjarne is worried about drowning, I am not sure a ship would be better than an airplane. Personally, I don't fly anywhere unless I absolutely have to so the ship would be the answer for me. But the invitation is open for any time you (and Lief) care to come visit. As long as you aren't allergic to cats, that is. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:55:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MtUHP013101 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MstUw019269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MsrS1029034; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MsmS1028885 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.7c.39d38e05 (14374) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:54:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought you didn't like your melon orange gown and now you want to make one in hot pink???? Personally I love yards of bright color, especially if it's set off with touches of some other unexpected but beautiful color. Shocking pink is a 20th century color....though I have seen a bright fuchsia 1860s ball gown. Dupioni dyes easily but will go soft and not be as crisp. Still keeps the sheen though. You might want to tone it down a little. There is a stomacher that is bright pink in Fashion in Detail, I think. It's made to look like a waistcoat and was probably worn with some type of habit [I like to imagine it with a grey]. But the pink is kinda dark if I remember correctly. There are some bright pink gowns but, like with the electric blue, they usually have some kind of pattern brocaded or embroidered all over them. You could embroider say, oh, white peonies with dark green leaves all over the 12 meters..... If you start now you may finish before you die. [actually, knowing you, you'll be done by July!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 18:57:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MvPHP013113 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:57:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MuoUw019530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MumG0000695; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55MueG0000485 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.ba.4018fe65 (14374) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:56:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/5/2003 4:04:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > but it is because my > worst dying nightmare is drowning. > I guess a cruise is out of the question..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 19:50:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NoZHP013363 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:50:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NnuUw026195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NnqG0006378; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NnmG1006349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-63-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.63.99])h55Np3Ae073852 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:49:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A fun way to experiment with color Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c32baf$9be2d070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-Id: <60C9CA2C-97B0-11D7-97D0-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love www.colorschemer.com -- it uses traditional color wheels to generate color schemes. On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I think Lisa may have turned us on the other day to a shareware program > that allowed you to experiment with colors. I happened to see an add > for Behr paint that had a similar tool on the web. They will suggest > colors and you can change them easily. You can even put them on the > their virtual walls. You can create an account to save your work. It > is > a great way to experiment not only with paint but garb palates as well > > http://www.behr.com/ > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 19:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NruHP013368 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NrNUw026460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NrNG0008003; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55NrJG1007970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-63-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.63.99])h55NsZAe073882 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:53:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love both the Wolf and Superior dress forms. they're so incredibly durable and sturdy. and you can pad them up the same way you do with other forms... what are you planning on using it regularly for? if it's for you, then I would get one a size smaller than you are, so you can pad it up for everyday, and have it be a bit smaller than you are for corseted looks. On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 03:33 PM, jessica stier wrote: > Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and was hoping to get > some good advice... > > My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as an early > graduation present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm doing a > little bit of research and would love to hear the opinions of the > listmembers on what your favorite type of dress form is and why. > > I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. I currently have > one of those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally purchased in > a size too small for any real use. I decided to keep it in case I had > daughters or early teen sized people I was making things for. > However, now I want to get a real dress form that will earn it's keep. > > I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and dealer of forms such > as I need. I will ask at school tonight, but until then... any tips > or hints on your favorite dress form and why? > > Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you plan on using it > regularly? At school, we use the industry standard - 8. But in my > mind that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a 10. Any > thoughts? > > Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. > You guys are the best!!! > > :) jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 21:05:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5615VHP013502 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:05:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56151Uw001905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5614xf3015543; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:04:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5614of3015445 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m238.in-tch.com [216.166.191.238]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h560kCr18341 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDFE90D.347E4E02@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:06:21 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A lot of the extant garments (including sleeves) in _Patterns of Fashion_, which covers Christian IV's time period, are laced in place.... --sue Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Tania wrote: > > >>>I really like this doublet, but it does have an unusual detail, as far as I can see the sleeves are sewn into the doublet. > > Do you mean as opposed to tied on? I've noticed that 16th/17th century costumes in films sometimes have the sleeves only partially attached, but not seen any written references to them not being sewn on. I know some types of garment had elaborate detachable sleeves, but for a standard doublet with the sleeves matching the body, why would they not be stitched in place? > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 21:42:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561gLHP013593 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561flUw004518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561fjf3001906; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561fcf3001802 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m238.in-tch.com [216.166.191.238]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h561N0r03603 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDFF1AD.823217C0@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:43:09 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink References: <000401c32ba9$0fca2800$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Saragrace's idea of overdying. You could get lovely shades from rose to magenta pretty easily. I've got shocking pink wool and matching linen to do a "test" Gothic Fitted Gown, but I'm distinctly _not_ going for an authentic color combination in that case--I WANT it to be eye-popping. (Teddy challenged me, a couple of years ago....) I've got a purpley-fuchsia wool for an overgown, AND some tangerine-orange velvet for a sideless surcoat. And I'll put in my pitch for Bjarne to visit my neck of the woods...we have the Rocky Mountains, bee-yootiful scenery, and no oceans at all. We get nasty winters, too, but it'd be very different from Denmark, I think... --sue, who was more peeved that clouds were blocking her view of the Atlantic than anything....but then, I like flying, and hey, coming back, I got to see the whole country of Ireland from 30,000ft+.... Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Okay, I have to make my pitch too...when it gets really cold in winter > you and your honey could always stay at my place outside Phoenix to warm > up!! About the pink fabric though......I don't know that period much > either, but even if it were acceptable it would probably bug me. Would > you consider over-dying it? I just love vat dying in my machine and you > could get the crispness back by starching it. I have used Dharma's > procion dye "bronze" to tone down everything from red to green with > success. Wouldn't hurt to test a piece though. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 21:44:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561ibHP013597 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561i7Uw004706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561i6f3002821; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561i4f3002777 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m238.in-tch.com [216.166.191.238]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h561PQr04527 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EDFF23F.783DF0CA@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:45:35 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All this talk of bright colors reminds me of something.... A few months ago, wasn't someone asking for advice on how to dye with turmeric? Well, I actually ran across instructions for same in a book on natural dyes that I happened to buy. It's supposed to make a fairly intense, *relatively* light-fast yellow, at least on wool. When I get more yarn mordanted, I'm gonna try it.... --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 23:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5634rHP013807 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5634MUw011009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5634K2P010507; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5634H2P010494 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-240-181.rev.o1.com ([66.81.240.181] helo=[66.81.243.212]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19O7Wa-0002rT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:04:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:00:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 6:54 PM -0400 6/5/03, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >I thought you didn't like your melon orange gown and now you want to make one >in hot pink???? Personally I love yards of bright color, especially if it's >set off with touches of some other unexpected but beautiful color. > >Shocking pink is a 20th century color....though I have seen a bright fuchsia >1860s ball gown. Dupioni dyes easily but will go soft and not be as crisp. >Still keeps the sheen though. You might want to tone it down a little. There's a natural dye called orchil or archil that's made from certain species of lichen -- I brewed up a batch of it a number of years ago -- which can produce anything from a hot, almost fluorescent pink to a similarly vivid sort of purplish fuchsia -- the only natural dye I've ever seen that *clashes* with other natural dyes. (Unfortunately it isn't terribly light-fast.) Orchil was originally imported from around the Mediterranean until Europeans figured out how to make it, but it's been known in Europe since at least the third century. Admittedly, the documentary evidence is mostly about its use in recipes for faking a Tyrian purple color, or for stretching a limited supply of the expensive stuff to cover more yarn or fabric. There are also other, mostly rather vague bits of evidence for the use of orchil or something like it in parts of "Dark Age" Europe, specifically in Scandinavia and in Gaul. So it was at least _possible_ to produce a sort of "shocking pink" color even before the age of aniline dyes; the question then would be whether it was used alone, and if so, how popular it was. I certainly agree that there is far more "shocking pink" in the 20th century than in any previous era :) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 5 23:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h563agHP013908 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h563a8Uw014721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h563a62P028139; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h563Zx2Q028079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h563aHdN004834 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:36:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h563aHhG004832 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:36:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:36:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000401c32ba9$0fca2800$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <3EDFF1AD.823217C0@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3EDFF1AD.823217C0@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306052336.17530.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h563Zx2Q028079 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 05 June 2003 09:43 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I agree with Saragrace's idea of overdying. You could get lovely shades > from rose to magenta pretty easily. Though I think Lalah made a good point--test dye a small piece first. It would be sad to ruin perfectly good silk in the name of authenticity. [rest cut] -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 00:19:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h564JXHP013958 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h564HuUw018867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h564HrEM019254; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h564HoEM019226 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HG100HOEL9MOM@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:48:30 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink In-reply-to: <3EDFF23F.783DF0CA@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030605204734.02e8bbc0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:45 PM 6/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: >A few months ago, wasn't someone asking for advice on how to dye with >turmeric? Well, I actually ran across instructions for same in a book on >natural dyes that I happened to buy. Hi Sue, Mind sharing the name of that book? Any idea how well it dyes yellow on Linen? I am willing to test it myself sometime, but just wondering. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 07:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56B8tHP017784 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:08:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56B8JUw020130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56B8C2E006684; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56B892E006632 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0162.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.163]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DF6BE9E0 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE076B8.7030604@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:10:48 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] H-costume meeting Netherlands?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Since so many people are saying that they would like to meet I've got an idea. What about meeting eachother somewere in the Netherlands next year or so? (Less problems with water for Bjarne ;-) ) I would be glad to organise such an event. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 09:49:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Dn3HP019414 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56DlGUw000367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56DlD9C010419; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56Dl89C010345 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuh+Dv9VPmzxlHGzHbKq8mOH4mgMgaF+cQ==">; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:46:58 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZZCYT42; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:46:58 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20030606.081558.-255519201.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,8-10 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Everyone, I have a silk and pearl Elizabethan partlet that is starting to look a bit grungy around the neck. I have hand washed it with mild soap in the past, but I'd really like to get it clean for the start of my RenFaire season. I know that using bleach on it is a big ol' no-no, but I was wondering if I could use the new oxygen cleaners for an added punch to the wash. Anybody have any experience or insight as to this issue? Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 09:55:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Dt4HP019442 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:55:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56DqmUw000710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Dql9C012764; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Dqh9C012728 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.73.139.96.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([67.73.139.96] helo=earthlink.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19OHe6-0007ZL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE09C66.83F7F375@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:51:34 -0500 From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question References: <20030606.081558.-255519201.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you have any extra pearls you may wish to see what "oxygen cleaners" do to them. That would be the biggest concern. Since you've never used a bleach and it is not an antique there shouldn't be any adverse chemical reactions, but long term stability is always a question with anything that is "new". Onaree seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I have a silk and pearl Elizabethan partlet that is starting to look a > bit grungy around the neck. I have hand washed it with mild soap in the > past, but I'd really like to get it clean for the start of my RenFaire > season. I know that using bleach on it is a big ol' no-no, but I was > wondering if I could use the new oxygen cleaners for an added punch to > the wash. Anybody have any experience or insight as to this issue? > > Karen > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E4KHP019461 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E2KUw001578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E2Jqe017359; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h55LfLXe003449 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-16-206.o1.jps.net ([216.119.16.206] helo=w7m1l6) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19O2PW-00010o-00; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:36:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c32baa$8c0cf540$ce1077d8@w7m1l6> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Yamatoku Corp" , , , , "Tracy Jackson" , "Tia Kitchen" , "Terrance May" , , "Susan" , "Sorcha Fhionn inghean uiRuairc" , , "shulas" , "Shannon McAleese" , "Shannon Laney" , , , , , "SCA Clan Blue Feather Mailing List" , "Sarge Buffy" , "Romance Writers Guild" , "Real772Rape" , , "Penny Ladnier" , "Penny Ladnier" , "Pat" , "Nicole Bradley" , "Nathaniel, Jacqueline" , , , "Lisa Sinervo" , , "Kuhn. 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I fact I rather enjoy it!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:06:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E6IHP019471 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E3iUw001696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E3iqe018112; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56E3eqe018031 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.79.1294eb55 (16110) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.135]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee3ee09f30c0; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:03:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:03:28 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10522526.61295F18.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You will laugh, but grandma, who has a full set of teeth, uses denture-cleaning tablets (efferdent)to take organic stains out of fine washables. We did this to restore the silk and linen christening gown set her grandmother was christened in so my children could wear it. Before the treatment, the fabric was on the yellow side of "cream"...now it's alabaster white. :) Constance seamstrix@juno.com wrote: >Hello Everyone, > > >I have a silk and pearl Elizabethan partlet that is starting to look a >bit grungy around the neck. I have hand washed it with mild soap in the >past, but I'd really like to get it clean for the start of my RenFaire >season. I know that using bleach on it is a big ol' no-no, but I was >wondering if I could use the new oxygen cleaners for an added punch to >the wash. Anybody have any experience or insight as to this issue? > > >Karen > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EHDHP019506 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EFCUw002522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EF9qe023648; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EF2qe023603 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-98-177.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.98.177])3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id ADZ80482; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:14:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <006f01c32c35$ffc1ddd0$b1624ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030606.081558.-255519201.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you have vanish there ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:27:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56ERVHP019551 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EPnUw003480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EPlqe000125; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56EPiqe029947 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuh+Dv9VPmzxDmW5fcFKJoH0Ho9NXAQJPg==">; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:24:56 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZZE6CB9; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:24:56 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:53:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question Message-ID: <20030606.085325.-255519201.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-8 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Over here Vanish is a toilet bowl cleaner. 8-) Karen On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:14:51 +0100 "Melanie Wilson" writes: > Do you have vanish there ? > > Mel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:33:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EXEHP019572 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVVUw004032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVUqe003283; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVQqe003230 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-98-177.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.98.177])3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id ADZ82026; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:31:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00c601c32c38$4cca8f80$b1624ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030606.085325.-255519201.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:31:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here it is a rather nifty stain remover :) Do you want some ? 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 10:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EXRHP019577 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVgUw004057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVgqe003426; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56EVdqe003387 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ff7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.247]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5110D5EE264 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:31:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003501c32c38$805ec0f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:32:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] shocking pink X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I asked an expert (lady who has ben reenacting in Gustafs Skål for many years) She advised me not to use the shocking pink. She said that a lot of the members would be making a lot of comments on that colour, and i think she is right. Well, what do i do then, should i overdye it, or should i perhaps boil it and hope some of the colour would dissapear, then i could make a round gown worn late in the century in stead. If i dye it and boil it, all the chrispnes would dissapear and the thoaght about making an english gown would not go with it, Well i guess , i have to do something else and forget about the whole thing. Buy some new fabric for a robe anglaise. Many greetings Bjarne. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 11:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FkYHP023960 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:46:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FiaUw011587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FiY0A018098; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f123.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FiS0A017987 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:44:23 -0700 Received: from 66.237.9.226 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:44:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.237.9.226] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:44:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 15:44:23.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[80DA26F0:01C32C42] Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT - Dress form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for your help! I think the tip about getting a size smaller then myself so I can pad it up is a good idea. It's not something I had factured in. I love to sew and do so fairly often. However, I have the hardest time (as does everyone else...) finding patterns that fit me perfectly, so I really want to use it to assist me in making clothes that fit better. I also LOVE to drape. My last quarter was a draping 1 and 2 class and really turned me onto the idea of making custom fitted items with out using my ruler (very much...). It was just so much fun that I really want to be able to do it all the time!!!!! Thanks again for your help. :) jessica >Message: 14 >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:53:14 -0700 >From: Heather Meadows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >I love both the Wolf and Superior dress forms. they're so incredibly >durable and sturdy. and you can pad them up the same way you >do with other forms... > >what are you planning on using it regularly for? if it's for you, then >I would >get one a size smaller than you are, so you can pad it up for everyday, >and have it be a bit smaller than you are for corseted looks. > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 11:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FogHP023977 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FmFUw011987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FmF0A020255; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FmC0A020224 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19OJRq-0006U0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:48:12 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] shocking pink-don't give up!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c32c43$084e3540$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003501c32c38$805ec0f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne! Don't give up! It will be so cool and you will be doubly proud of it! You can put the crispness back into it with sizing. I think you should over-dye it rather than boil it in the hopes that the color will come out. Try the vat dyeing. See how easy it is here: http://www.dharmatrading.com/info/vat_dye.html and look at your color selection: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3796-AA.shtml Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 12:01:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56G1iHP028066 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:01:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56FxpUw013558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Fxmq7029983; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56Fxdq7029796 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606155934.24778.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:59:34 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jessica-- What a lovely gift! My grandmother gave me the money to buy 2 things when I graduated college: a good dress form and my overlock machine. My own personal preference for dress forms is the Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've had one for nearly 20 years now, and am completely sold on it--I can pin into it (I use it to drape toiles for my own costumes), put underpinnings on it, and generally use it a lot when I'm building stuff for myself. IIRC, you can pick one up for about $130 via the Internet; in a retail store it will probably cost more. Dawn --- jessica stier wrote: > Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and > was hoping to get some > good advice... > > My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as > an early graduation > present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm > doing a little bit of > research and would love to hear the opinions of the > listmembers on what your > favorite type of dress form is and why. > > I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. > I currently have one of > those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally > purchased in a size too > small for any real use. I decided to keep it in > case I had daughters or > early teen sized people I was making things for. > However, now I want to get > a real dress form that will earn it's keep. > > I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and > dealer of forms such as I > need. I will ask at school tonight, but until > then... any tips or hints on > your favorite dress form and why? > > Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you > plan on using it > regularly? At school, we use the industry standard > - 8. But in my mind > that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a > 10. Any thoughts? > > Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. > You guys are the best!!! > > :) jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 12:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56G7HHP028071 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56G4jUw014224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56G4iq7003923; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80403.mail.yahoo.com (web80403.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56G4gq7003809 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606160437.49118.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:04:37 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EDFF1AD.823217C0@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I've got shocking pink wool and matching linen to do > a "test" Gothic > Fitted Gown, but I'm distinctly _not_ going for an > authentic color > combination in that case--I WANT it to be > eye-popping. (Teddy > challenged me, a couple of years ago....) I've > got a purpley-fuchsia > wool for an overgown, AND some tangerine-orange > velvet for a sideless > surcoat. Yowza! Thank ghod for sunglasses. 8-D I want to see picture when you get it finished. It should be something! ;-) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 12:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GTDHP029420 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:29:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GQtUw016352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GQrGc020133; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GQlGc020037 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12189 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:26:46 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:21:35 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306060142.h561g0f4002025@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought shocking pink was a historical color, good for many periods. I don't know where I heard that, though. Maybe it's one of those costume legends. I think Bjarne needs to take a tour of the USA! Get on the plane, take medicine to make you fall asleep, and then you can take the coast to coast tour staying free with all the list members! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 12:43:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GhxHP005127 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:43:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Gf7Uw018317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Gf4Gc001695; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GexGd001632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 19OKGv-0004ux-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:40:57 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 19OKHE-00019I-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:41:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form In-Reply-To: <20030606155934.24778.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the Uniquely You. It's also great if you use it for multiple people as you just put on a customised cover, and you can corset it into a period shape. I have 3: teeny, my size and extra large. Another plus is that it is very light to lug with you to shows/displays. Katy On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Dawn Jacobson wrote: >Jessica-- > >What a lovely gift! My grandmother gave me the money >to buy 2 things when I graduated college: a good dress >form and my overlock machine. > >My own personal preference for dress forms is the >Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton >cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) >adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've had >one for nearly 20 years now, and am completely sold on >it--I can pin into it (I use it to drape toiles for my >own costumes), put underpinnings on it, and generally >use it a lot when I'm building stuff for myself. > >IIRC, you can pick one up for about $130 via the >Internet; in a retail store it will probably cost >more. > >Dawn >--- jessica stier wrote: >> Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and >> was hoping to get some >> good advice... >> >> My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as >> an early graduation >> present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm >> doing a little bit of >> research and would love to hear the opinions of the >> listmembers on what your >> favorite type of dress form is and why. >> >> I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. >> I currently have one of >> those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally >> purchased in a size too >> small for any real use. I decided to keep it in >> case I had daughters or >> early teen sized people I was making things for. >> However, now I want to get >> a real dress form that will earn it's keep. >> >> I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and >> dealer of forms such as I >> need. I will ask at school tonight, but until >> then... any tips or hints on >> your favorite dress form and why? >> >> Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you >> plan on using it >> regularly? At school, we use the industry standard >> - 8. But in my mind >> that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a >> 10. Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. >> You guys are the best!!! >> >> :) jessica >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >> >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 12:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GqqHP005150 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:52:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Gp4Uw019319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Gp3Gc008376; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56GowGd008313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (localhost.wonderland.com [127.0.0.1])h56GqEAe081176 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@jabberwock.wonderland.com) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h56GqEwZ081174 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200306061652.h56GqEwZ081174@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Katy Bishop" at Jun 06, 2003 12:41:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely you forms... about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they almost uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never seemed quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours getting the fit right on the form. > > > I second the Uniquely You. It's also great if you use it for multiple > people as you just put on a customised cover, and you can corset it into > a period shape. I have 3: teeny, my size and extra large. Another plus > is that it is very light to lug with you to shows/displays. > > Katy > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > >Jessica-- > > > >What a lovely gift! My grandmother gave me the money > >to buy 2 things when I graduated college: a good dress > >form and my overlock machine. > > > >My own personal preference for dress forms is the > >Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton > >cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) > >adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've had > >one for nearly 20 years now, and am completely sold on > >it--I can pin into it (I use it to drape toiles for my > >own costumes), put underpinnings on it, and generally > >use it a lot when I'm building stuff for myself. > > > >IIRC, you can pick one up for about $130 via the > >Internet; in a retail store it will probably cost > >more. > > > >Dawn > >--- jessica stier wrote: > >> Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and > >> was hoping to get some > >> good advice... > >> > >> My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as > >> an early graduation > >> present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm > >> doing a little bit of > >> research and would love to hear the opinions of the > >> listmembers on what your > >> favorite type of dress form is and why. > >> > >> I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. > >> I currently have one of > >> those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally > >> purchased in a size too > >> small for any real use. I decided to keep it in > >> case I had daughters or > >> early teen sized people I was making things for. > >> However, now I want to get > >> a real dress form that will earn it's keep. > >> > >> I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and > >> dealer of forms such as I > >> need. I will ask at school tonight, but until > >> then... any tips or hints on > >> your favorite dress form and why? > >> > >> Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you > >> plan on using it > >> regularly? At school, we use the industry standard > >> - 8. But in my mind > >> that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a > >> 10. Any thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. > >> You guys are the best!!! > >> > >> :) jessica > >> > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ > >> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >> > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 13:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56H7RHP005188 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:07:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56H5aUw020949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56H5Y2g018557; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56H5V2g018526 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from patriot.net (support.patriot.net [209.249.176.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h56H5UGr025342 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:05:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200306061705.h56H5UGr025342@jefferson.patriot.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:02:07 -0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Didn't someone recently mention trying to dye silk, and it lost it's body? Maybe that was the 18thC list. The silk taffeta became more crepe-like, and there was no convincing it otherwise. Anyway, here's a silly idea - why not exchange it with someone for a color you like? Everyone has a fabric stash, and maybe someone with a better 18thC color would really like the shocking pink silk for another project. The cost of postage is probably less than the time to dye and attempt to re-size the fabric, and the outcome is more predictable. I think a Bjarne US tour is a great idea! My own house is unsuitable for guests (I can't even sew, that's how under-construction it is) but I'll be happy to join you for dinner in the DC area. -Carol Gail & Scott Finke said: > I thought shocking pink was a historical color, good for many periods. I > don't know where I heard that, though. Maybe it's one of those costume > legends. > > I think Bjarne needs to take a tour of the USA! Get on the plane, take > medicine to make you fall asleep, and then you can take the coast to coast > tour staying free with all the list members! > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 13:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HqXHP005381 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HojUw026209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Hog2g018946; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9404.mail.yahoo.com (web9404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56Hob2g018869 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606175037.48268.qmail@web9404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.78.208.191] by web9404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:50:37 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-costume meeting Netherlands?? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EE076B8.7030604@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That sounds like such a neat idea---especially since my husband still has family over there:) Albra(decloaking for a moment) Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, Since so many people are saying that they would like to meet I've got an idea. What about meeting eachother somewere in the Netherlands next year or so? (Less problems with water for Bjarne ;-) ) I would be glad to organise such an event. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 13:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HuKHP005387 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HsYUw026592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HsU2g021353; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56HsI2g021149 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgeajtiUI9Q1nvn80S0AcyPF7QjgdD2CFw==">; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:54:02 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZZS48EP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:54:02 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:48:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question Message-ID: <20030606.135009.-244815.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,6-8 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <<>> I washed my pearl covered partlet with Oxy Clean and it came out just fine. Don't know how silk would react, but it sure didn't hurt the pearls. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 13:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HugHP005390 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ht0Uw026661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Hsw2g021741; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56HsI2g021147 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgeajtiUI9Q1nvn80S0AcyPc0OFoyxtmEw==">; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:54:02 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZZS48EM; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:54:02 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:47:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-costume meeting Netherlands?? Message-ID: <20030606.135009.-244815.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How I wish I could do that. Finances and cats don't allow me to go anywhere overnight. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 13:59:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HxFHP005397 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:59:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HvDUw026920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:57:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56HvCiE023245; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Hv7iE023154 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.185.167.6] (HELO laptop) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 53632994 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c32c54$eb2129c0$06a7b944@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:56:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a Uniquely You, but need to re-fit it, as I've lost weight since the purchase a few years ago. Where do I get extra covers? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot BRF FOF; Guilde of St. Lawrence A room without books is like a body without a soul ---Cicero lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Dawn Jacobson" Cc: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form > > I second the Uniquely You. It's also great if you use it for multiple > people as you just put on a customised cover, and you can corset it into > a period shape. I have 3: teeny, my size and extra large. Another plus > is that it is very light to lug with you to shows/displays. > > Katy > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > >Jessica-- > > > >What a lovely gift! My grandmother gave me the money > >to buy 2 things when I graduated college: a good dress > >form and my overlock machine. > > > >My own personal preference for dress forms is the > >Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton > >cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) > >adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've had > >one for nearly 20 years now, and am completely sold on > >it--I can pin into it (I use it to drape toiles for my > >own costumes), put underpinnings on it, and generally > >use it a lot when I'm building stuff for myself. > > > >IIRC, you can pick one up for about $130 via the > >Internet; in a retail store it will probably cost > >more. > > > >Dawn > >--- jessica stier wrote: > >> Sorry for the OT post, but I trust your opinions and > >> was hoping to get some > >> good advice... > >> > >> My mother-in-law is going to buy me a dress form as > >> an early graduation > >> present. She wants me to pick it out and so I'm > >> doing a little bit of > >> research and would love to hear the opinions of the > >> listmembers on what your > >> favorite type of dress form is and why. > >> > >> I'd really like to get a professional/durable form. > >> I currently have one of > >> those flimsy adjustable forms that we accidentally > >> purchased in a size too > >> small for any real use. I decided to keep it in > >> case I had daughters or > >> early teen sized people I was making things for. > >> However, now I want to get > >> a real dress form that will earn it's keep. > >> > >> I'm having a hard time pinpointing the maker and > >> dealer of forms such as I > >> need. I will ask at school tonight, but until > >> then... any tips or hints on > >> your favorite dress form and why? > >> > >> Also, size-wize... what size would you get if you > >> plan on using it > >> regularly? At school, we use the industry standard > >> - 8. But in my mind > >> that is just a bit too small. I'm thinking about a > >> 10. Any thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks for tolerating my OT conversation and typos. > >> You guys are the best!!! > >> > >> :) jessica > >> > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ > >> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >> > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:18:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56II1HP005442 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IGGUw029042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IGEiE006595; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41101.mail.yahoo.com (web41101.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56IG8iE006449 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606181603.76928.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.145.104.203] by web41101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:16:03 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Stacey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306061801.h56I12iG025904@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I, too, would like to know if Uniquely You makes other covers. I think that's the model I got, used. The top half measurements are just like mine, but the bottom half is too small. Although I'm trying to make my measurements to match the form, I need to pad it out a bit with some firm batting. ...OK, I found that the Farthingales site sells them new and recommends simply letting out the seams on the outer cover. Since mine is older, I'll have to see if there's enough allowance for that. Pictures at 11:00 ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IMsHP005449 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IL7Uw029549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IL6iE010222; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IL5iE010208 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HG200M9COB25B@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:10:24 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Cleaning Question In-reply-to: <20030606.081558.-255519201.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030606110817.00afa7c8@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:15 AM 6/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody have any experience or insight as to this issue? All I know is that it can really get the ground in dirt that accumulates on bras, that bleach didn't even touch. I let them soak for a half hour before washing and rinsing. Do you have a spare piece of silk and a few pearls that you can get dirty and use as a tester? Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:33:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IWqHP005472 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:33:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IUqUw000686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IUpiE016930; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80404.mail.yahoo.com (web80404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56IUkiE016828 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606183041.74561.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:30:41 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200306061652.h56GqEwZ081174@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely > you forms... > about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they > almost > uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never > seemed > quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours > getting the fit > right on the form. > Interesting, as I know a great many costumers that own them, and all seem to be very happy with their dress forms. Were the people in your draping class trying to fit the cover themselves, or did they get help from someone with fitting experience? I was fortunate enough to have a very experienced fitter and costumer help me with this process, as the cover must fit absolutely skin tight to get an accurate dress form. The big problems that I've found with Wolf & Superior dress forms is that unless you are an "off the rack" size, you have to have it custom-made for you. They are also VERY expensive ($425 from SewTrue; more from other retailers). They can also be difficult to store and transport, because they have a very heavy iron stand (it's also the reason they don't tip over easily). I guess it's all in what someone's priorities are: When I bought my Uniquely You, I costumed as a hobby (still do), could not afford a custom-fit Wolf, and didn't have the room in a 1-bedroom apartment for it. These days, I'd rather spend the money on equipment I'll use more often (like a gravity-feed iron), rather than a dress form that gets only periodic use. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IWuHP005473 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56ISoUw000398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56ISmiE015465; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f39.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56ISeiE015293 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:28:35 -0700 Received: from 66.237.9.226 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:28:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.237.9.226] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:28:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 18:28:35.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[70E0D480:01C32C59] Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT Dress Forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the opinions. This is one of those purchases that I really want to make a good decision so that it will be durable and sturdy for many years of use. I looked up the Uniquely You form online and found this website: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/judy.htm I think you can purchase extra covers from them too, I believe. You could email them and ask. She responds really quickly and gives great answers. I emailed a list of questions to Linda at Farthingales and she responded really quickly with very honest answers. I was impressed with her candor. I am quite concerned about the sturdiness of the dress form and she mentioned that I might want to attach the feet to a piece of plywood to make it more sturdy. She says that when she uses hers she has to put her foot on the base to help stabilize it. I am also wondering about the fact that the shoulders are not collapsible. Has anyone who owns one had any problems with removing fitted bodices with out being able to collapse the shoulders? Dawn, or anyone else who has a Uniquely You form... Do you think the foam is withstanding the test of time? Linda suggested that I make a jersey cover for it so that the foam didn't flake and crumble in the areas that are frequently pinned. Would you also suggest doing this (if I choose this form...)? Heather... Interesting about the comments brought up by school. I wonder why it would be difficult to use? Any ideas on that? Thanks again for all your opinions and help! I really want to make an informed and smart decision. :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:40:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IePHP005489 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IcYUw001820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IcXiE022931; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41813.mail.yahoo.com (web41813.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56IcRiE022782 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606183822.13506.qmail@web41813.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.185.132.12] by web41813.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:38:22 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jasper Hampton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306051246.h55CkVPS023299@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: h-costume-owner@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Inventory & Costume Sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Think before you post. Archive h-costume messages are made available online for the public. So we need to take care about what we post. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND this thread, including mine, should be DELETED or KEPT BACK from the public archives, to avoid recriminations and accusations of slander or sour grapes in the future. If anyone thought Tudor Links copied from Drea's site they would have emailed them directly to enquire instead of posting comment here. If they did not want to ask, they should have kept their complaints to themselves. I've already seen the Tudor Links site. Their 'Textiles and Costume page' already linked to a stack of sites Drea only added to hers recently, and still have some she doesn't. Out of the whole page there are only 2-3 links that might possibly have been copied directly. Sue says it's familiar. Well most pages of renaissance costume links have the same ones over and over these days and sometimes copied from others but no-one picks on them. And the 'Textiles and Costume page' is only one of several pages on this site. They might not have taken anything from her site at all. I checked out their About This Site page http://www.tudorlinks.com/about.html. They ask people to email suggestions. One of Drea's fans could have sent the links in so it may not be Tudor Links fault anyway. They say they're not a commercial site. They're not selling advertising, saying they're experts or selling goods just truly sharing. I think we should all pause before hitting that 'send' button next time. h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Message: 15 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:47:49 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventory & Costume Sites To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <3EDF3BF5.C1F5BFBC@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yeah, parts of it certainly "sound" familiar. Lazy, at the very least, I'd think.... --sue's two pence worth... Drea Leed wrote: > > Hm, interesting....looks like the section on "Dress around the world" was > nabbed off my site as it stood a few months back, Title misCapitalizations > and all. > > :} > > Drea > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, elizabeth hervey wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > The Inventory of Henry VIII is also £80 from Amazon.co.uk. Orders from England are no problem and they don't charge p&p on orders over £39, so this is a good time to buy! > > > > Two costume URLs I think you'll like & apologies to any who've already seen them. > > > > Ladies Treasury of Costume and Fashion > > > > www.tudorlinks.com/treasury/ > > > > 1 of my costuming finds of 2002. Victorian and Edwardian costumes and needlework. The articles are well-written and very informative and there are original patterns put online free. Can't wait to find a victim to make those men's drawers for! > > > > Tudor Links Costume page > > > > www.tudorlinks.com/textiles > > > > Unusually this Tudor site's got a page of links to costume sites with some I'd never seen before. > > > > Bess --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:45:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IixHP005495 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IhAUw002337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ih9iE026121; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80410.mail.yahoo.com (web80410.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56Ih5iE026026 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606184300.84147.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:43:00 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004801c32c54$eb2129c0$06a7b944@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > I have a Uniquely You, but need to re-fit it, as > I've lost weight since the > purchase a few years ago. Where do I get extra > covers? > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot > BRF FOF; Guilde of St. Lawrence > > A room without books is like a body without a soul > ---Cicero > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** Try SewTrue (http://www.sewtrue.com). I know they sell the dress form, and they probably sell the covers separately. Not affiliated; simply a satisfied customer. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:47:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Il9HP005506 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IjQUw002556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IjPiE027535; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IjMiF027492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (localhost.wonderland.com [127.0.0.1])h56IkbAe082591 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@jabberwock.wonderland.com) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h56IkbqR082590 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200306061846.h56IkbqR082590@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Dawn Jacobson" at Jun 06, 2003 11:30:41 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes, they actually worked together in another class with a professional fitter to fit their covers. they just didn't like working with them as well as Wolf and SUperior forms. They're built very differently, and the sturdier forms are a lot easier to use. They're also about 3 to 4 times as expensive, so they certainly aren't for most home sewers. > > --- Heather Meadows wrote: > > I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely > > you forms... > > about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they > > almost > > uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never > > seemed > > quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours > > getting the fit > > right on the form. > > > > Interesting, as I know a great many costumers that own > them, and all seem to be very happy with their dress > forms. > > Were the people in your draping class trying to fit > the cover themselves, or did they get help from > someone with fitting experience? I was fortunate > enough to have a very experienced fitter and costumer > help me with this process, as the cover must fit > absolutely skin tight to get an accurate dress form. > > The big problems that I've found with Wolf & Superior > dress forms is that unless you are an "off the rack" > size, you have to have it custom-made for you. They > are also VERY expensive ($425 from SewTrue; more from > other retailers). They can also be difficult to store > and transport, because they have a very heavy iron > stand (it's also the reason they don't tip over > easily). > > I guess it's all in what someone's priorities are: > When I bought my Uniquely You, I costumed as a hobby > (still do), could not afford a custom-fit Wolf, and > didn't have the room in a 1-bedroom apartment for it. > These days, I'd rather spend the money on equipment > I'll use more often (like a gravity-feed iron), rather > than a dress form that gets only periodic use. > > Dawn > > ===== > Dawn Jacobson > Vallejo, CA, USA > > Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 14:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56IqnHP005522 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:52:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ip3Uw003140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ip2iE001024; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56IowiE000945 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606185053.57734.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:50:53 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT Dress Forms To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- jessica stier wrote: > > Thanks for the opinions. This is one of those > purchases that I really want > to make a good decision so that it will be durable > and sturdy for many years > of use. > > I looked up the Uniquely You form online and found > this website: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/judy.htm > > I think you can purchase extra covers from them too, > I believe. You could > email them and ask. She responds really quickly and > gives great answers. > > I emailed a list of questions to Linda at > Farthingales and she responded > really quickly with very honest answers. I was > impressed with her candor. > > I am quite concerned about the sturdiness of the > dress form and she > mentioned that I might want to attach the feet to a > piece of plywood to make > it more sturdy. She says that when she uses hers > she has to put her foot on > the base to help stabilize it. > > I am also wondering about the fact that the > shoulders are not collapsible. > Has anyone who owns one had any problems with > removing fitted bodices with > out being able to collapse the shoulders? > > Dawn, or anyone else who has a Uniquely You form... > Do you think the foam > is withstanding the test of time? Linda suggested > that I make a jersey > cover for it so that the foam didn't flake and > crumble in the areas that are > frequently pinned. Would you also suggest doing > this (if I choose this > form...)? > > Heather... Interesting about the comments brought > up by school. I wonder > why it would be difficult to use? Any ideas on > that? > > Thanks again for all your opinions and help! I > really want to make an > informed and smart decision. > > :) jessica > Jessica-- I bought mine in May 1984, have used it extensively since, and it looks almost brand-new. I did cover the exposed foam at the top (neck and arm holes) with cotton knit (an old ripped-up T-shirt), simply because I didn't like the look of the exposed foam, and because I tend to use the top of the neck as a pincushion when I'm draping something. Mine isn't "tippy," but I would think that you could put a couple of bags of beans or the little sand bags photographers use to stabilze their tripods on the feet and make it more secure. I've never had any problem getting the shoulders out of bodices; getting a very narrow waist over the top can be a bit tricky, but over the years I've started making the openings a tiny bit larger to accommodate; it means it's usually easier to get a dress on or off with already-done hair a bit easier too. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 15:08:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J8mHP013652 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J54Uw004637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J52h3010624; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J4ph3010509 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ffd.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.253]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4925C262A39 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:04:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c32c5e$b14ac080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c32c43$084e3540$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink-don't give up!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:06:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace. Thanks for your advises, but I dont have my own washingmachine, we use shared washingmachines in this house with all the other flats, and it is not allowed to use dyes in them. And secondly, when i have washed shirts in dupioni, they gets full of crinkles because you wash, and you cant get those out again. It has happened for me several times, even if it is handwasned. Those crinkle marks is impossible to get rid of! It could be fun to make some experiments, but i dont have enough time for that. I must get the embroidered dress finished in 14 days, because i go to Stockholm 26. of july, and i want to make a costume for the lady i am going to stay with. So i will be very buisy. No i have desided to go hunting for a lovely taffeta somewhere in Copenhagen, A cream coloured one i think. But thanks for the advises Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] shocking pink-don't give up!! > Bjarne! Don't give up! It will be so cool and you will be doubly proud > of it! You can put the crispness back into it with sizing. I think you > should over-dye it rather than boil it in the hopes that the color will > come out. Try the vat dyeing. See how easy it is here: > http://www.dharmatrading.com/info/vat_dye.html > and look at your color selection: > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3796-AA.shtml > > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 15:09:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J9WHP013655 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J7hUw004923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J7gh3012304; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56J7Vh3012197 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ffd.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.253]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 25CF7262987 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:07:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c32c5f$125d3740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:08:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chokles! Laughs :-) That would be lovely, very tempting, but i think i want to skip......... Very nice offers from you all. I have a job here to take care of and i have not got the time right now, so many schedules to catch. It would have ben lovely though, and very interresting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink > > I thought shocking pink was a historical color, good for many periods. I > don't know where I heard that, though. Maybe it's one of those costume > legends. > > I think Bjarne needs to take a tour of the USA! Get on the plane, take > medicine to make you fall asleep, and then you can take the coast to coast > tour staying free with all the list members! > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 15:36:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56JakHP021825 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:36:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56JYwUw008139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56JYuh3000715; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56JYqh3000661 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ffd.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.253]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 56A4A2628EA for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:34:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c32c62$e53fd9d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:36:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] o.t. Launch of an 18th century China Vessel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I just looked at the tv; the launch of a true copy of a swedish cargo wessel bound for China. "Gøteborg" is the name like the original. Everything on it was handmade, even the sails is going to be hand sewed. It will cost 300 million swedish kr. It was such a beautifull sight, wished you saw it! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56K3sHP021965 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56K1hUw011020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56K1fTr019099; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80401.mail.yahoo.com (web80401.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56K1bTr019008 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606200132.2459.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:01:32 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200306061846.h56IkbqR082590@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > yes, they actually worked together in another class > with a professional fitter to fit their covers. > > they just didn't like working with them as well as > Wolf and SUperior forms. They're built very > differently, and the sturdier forms are a lot easier > to use. They're also about 3 to 4 times as > expensive, > so they certainly aren't for most home sewers. Nor most smaller costume shops. The last time I remember seeing more than just 1 in a shop was on a tour of the costume shop at the Burbank Studios in the mid-1980s. I also remember the designer/shop head at LAVCC saying once that if you ever saw a Wolf or Superior for sale at a yard sale or other, snap it up, because they were bloody expensive if you had to buy them new. Oddly, my mother-in-law was a home sewer who had a custom-made Wolf. I believe my husband's great-uncle, who was a master tailor in the schmatte trade, got it for her at a sizeable discount. My sister-in-law has it now (what would I do with a size 4 Wolf anyway?). Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:19:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KJOHP022050 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KGuUw012593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KGsTr028333; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KGpTr028270 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.netmtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:16:14 -0500 From: Allison Pace In-reply-to: <200306061602.h56G2eq8002405@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re: uniquely you dress form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday, June 6, 2003, Dawn wrote: > My own personal preference for dress forms is the > Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton > cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) > adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've had Dawn - this sounds great! But my problem with standard sizing is that I my waist is two sizes smaller than the bust/hips and I am short-waisted, so more often than not, the "standard" sizes of anything need major alterations. Do you think the Uniquely You zip-up cover can be altered for extreme size differences on the same body? My DTD isn't a good mold of me (a non-sewing friend helped me and I think she was too cautious with the topography.) And And if I could fit the cover to myself, then put it over the form, I wouldn't need any help! Thanks! Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KNTHP022058 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KLiUw013170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KLiTr001441; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KLcTs001380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (localhost.wonderland.com [127.0.0.1])h56KMsAe083598 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@jabberwock.wonderland.com) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h56KMrl5083597 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200306062022.h56KMrl5083597@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Dawn Jacobson" at Jun 06, 2003 01:01:32 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really? I see them in all the shops I've been in. You can get them on eBay for about $200, sometimes. You can get them for around $500 new if you are an educational organization, also Dress-Rite sells very similar quality forms for $550, I think. I know many individuals that own them for smaller shops. > Nor most smaller costume shops. The last time I > remember seeing more than just 1 in a shop was on a > tour of the costume shop at the Burbank Studios in the > mid-1980s. I also remember the designer/shop head at > LAVCC saying once that if you ever saw a Wolf or > Superior for sale at a yard sale or other, snap it up, > because they were bloody expensive if you had to buy > them new. > > Oddly, my mother-in-law was a home sewer who had a > custom-made Wolf. I believe my husband's great-uncle, > who was a master tailor in the schmatte trade, got it > for her at a sizeable discount. My sister-in-law has > it now (what would I do with a size 4 Wolf anyway?). > > Dawn > > ===== > Dawn Jacobson > Vallejo, CA, USA > > Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:27:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KRvHP022077 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:27:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KQDUw013780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KQBTr004623; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KQ9Tr004531 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.netmtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:25:03 -0500 From: Allison Pace In-reply-to: <200306061801.h56I12iF025904@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re: dress forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday, June 6, 2003, Heather wrote: > I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely you forms... > about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they almost > uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never seemed > quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours getting the fit > right on the form. So, Heather, is there another one you would recommend? I am on what seems like a never-ending quest for a good dress form. I have a mostly unusable Duct-tape-double of me, and I will probably make a paper tape double of my Elizabethan-corsetted self, but I could sure use a "real" me form for mundane wear. TIA, Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:39:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KdLHP022114 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:39:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KbSUw015378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KbRTr012725; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KbOTr012681 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-025scfairp0135.dialsprint.net ([63.183.120.135] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ONxj-0000iq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE10931.5080906@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:35:45 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form References: <200306061652.h56GqEwZ081174@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather Meadows wrote: > I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely you forms... > about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they almost > uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never seemed > quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours getting the fit > right on the form. I also much prefer a Wolf or Superior form for draping. I'm a professional costumer, professor, and shop manager, and when I had to order everything to set up a university shop last year, I ordered just two Wolf forms rather than a bunch of foam ones. I concur with getting one a little small and padding it up--that's what I've always done. You'll especially need to pad the behind, as unlike most women these forms are flat in the back. Though they are extremely expensive, I find them worth it. The foam ones drive me bats unless I need a corsetted shape. Of course, I don't own ANY dress forms of my own, since I can always use the ones at work, so my perspective is different. Heather Meadows wrote: > also Dress-Rite sells > very similar quality forms for $550, I think. I know > many individuals that own them for smaller shops. I have used a Dress-Rite and not liked it. They have a very tough covering that is difficult to pin into, and it frustrated me every time I tried to drape on it. The one that I was using also had a strange shape--it was meant to be a male 44 with a bit of a belly, which was good, but it had the most terrible roundness in the shoulders across the back. I always had to compensate for the "slouch" in the form. Good luck finding what's right for you, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 16:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KjOHP022127 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:45:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KhLUw016102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56KhKTr016899; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41008.mail.yahoo.com (web41008.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56KhGTr016795 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030606204311.29435.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.104.69] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:43:11 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The reason I think this is an unusual feature is, that it is my understanding that most sleeves were accessories and tied into the clothing. I do not think I have seen another portrait from the period with the sleeves sewn into the doublet. This feature might be a regional thing to the danish court or it might have something to do with Christian being a child. The fabric is gorgous, but I am now, after further study of the picture, in doubt as wether it is a brocade or gold embroidered velvet. The amount of work if it was indeed embroidered velvet would have been outragous, but the decorations on the skirt of the doublet is in the same theme as the main doublet, but is not the same. Tania Kate M Bunting wrote: Tania wrote: >>>I really like this doublet, but it does have an unusual detail, as far as I can see the sleeves are sewn into the doublet. Do you mean as opposed to tied on? I've noticed that 16th/17th century costumes in films sometimes have the sleeves only partially attached, but not seen any written references to them not being sewn on. I know some types of garment had elaborate detachable sleeves, but for a standard doublet with the sleeves matching the body, why would they not be stitched in place? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 17:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56LIrHP022218 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:18:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56LGwUw019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56LGrR4012721; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56LGpR4012683 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-014scfairp0470.dialsprint.net ([63.183.137.216] helo=faucet.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19OOZu-0003XW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE11271.4090204@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:15:13 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV References: <20030606204311.29435.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tania Gruning wrote: > The reason I think this is an unusual feature is, that it is my understanding that most sleeves were accessories and tied into the clothing. I do not think I have seen another portrait from the period with the sleeves sewn into the doublet. Well, in most portraits it's hard to tell whether the sleeves are sewn in or laced in, but IIRC in Arnold's Patterns of Fashion most of the doublet sleeves are sewn in. I'd check, but it's at work and I'm not. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 18:42:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MgvHP022442 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Mf1Uw001041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MewZg014901; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MeuZg014796 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.12d.2b31333d (4552) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.2b31333d.2c12726e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:40:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2003 10:40:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > If i dye it and boil it, all the chrispnes would dissapear and the thoaght > about making an english gown would not go with it, > Well i guess , i have to do something else and forget about the whole thing. > What....you didn't like my embroidery idea? ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 18:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Mo9HP022467 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:50:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ml3Uw001504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56Ml2Zg018066; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56MkwZg018015 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13395 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 23:25:55 -0000 Received: from 66-44-48-13.s2045.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.48.13) by shada.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 23:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3EE10F3A.4000303@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:01:30 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] uniquely you dress form References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Allison Pace wrote: > Dawn - this sounds great! But my problem with standard sizing is that I > my waist is two sizes smaller than the bust/hips and I am short-waisted, > so more often than not, the "standard" sizes of anything need major > alterations. Do you think the Uniquely You zip-up cover can be altered > for extreme size differences on the same body? Have you considered a Fabulous Fit ? Joann's online also sells them (which is nice if you combine it with a 40% off coupon). They are a hard foam base model that you can pin into and then with their 2 slip-on jerseys you add in extra pads and padding to get your own exact shape. While you are "supposed" to add the shaped pads beneath both jersey covers, I couldn't do that so I just slipped them in between which was much easier. Yes, I did have to wrestle with it for most of a day checking and re-checking my meausurements and adjusting the padding to match everywhere. But it is specifically designed so that you can adapt for short or long waisted, or one shoulder higher, or round backed, or any number of anomalies. I figured that one day of semi-frustrated wrestling by myself was worth having a pinnable form that is as close to me as I'm going to get. And of course since it's all tailored to match by stuffing, you can always add or subtract as you change or need to change for corseting. Once it's set up, it is squishable and the they told me when I asked that many museum have bought them for permanent clohting displays that use corseting. It's a thought. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 18:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MubHP022482 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:56:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MsdUw003509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MscZg022841; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56MsaZg022781 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1e6.a669052 (4552) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.a669052.2c1275a2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:54:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h56MubHP022482 Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2003 6:46:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > Well i guess , i have to do something else and forget about the whole > thing. > Have you ever made an 1860s ball gown? You ought to do one. It actually is easier [IMHO] than an 18th century gown. You could make the corset and crinoline. Then a wonderful bright pink gown with a front and back pointed bodice and the décolletage covered in white orange blossoms. Or cover the bodice and part of the skirt with an open white lace. Albert "can't stop designing" Cat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 20:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570Y2HP022646 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570VtUw011011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570VrFC011566; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay2.primushost.com (relay2.primushost.com [207.244.125.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570VoFD011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] by relay2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 19ORfd-0007fQ-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:34:57 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 19ORcu-0006Tj-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:32:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form In-Reply-To: <20030606183041.74561.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do find with the "uniquely you" I need to add a fitted neck piece and short sleeves to accomodate my narrow shoulders--but I love the flexibility of being able to corset it for many eras. Katy On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Dawn Jacobson wrote: >--- Heather Meadows wrote: >> I would have to differ in opinion on the uniquely >> you forms... >> about 1/3 of my draping class used them, and they >> almost >> uniformly hated them. they tipped over, they never >> seemed >> quite accurate, and they spent hours and hours >> getting the fit >> right on the form. >> > >Interesting, as I know a great many costumers that own >them, and all seem to be very happy with their dress >forms. > >Were the people in your draping class trying to fit >the cover themselves, or did they get help from >someone with fitting experience? I was fortunate >enough to have a very experienced fitter and costumer >help me with this process, as the cover must fit >absolutely skin tight to get an accurate dress form. > >The big problems that I've found with Wolf & Superior >dress forms is that unless you are an "off the rack" >size, you have to have it custom-made for you. They >are also VERY expensive ($425 from SewTrue; more from >other retailers). They can also be difficult to store >and transport, because they have a very heavy iron >stand (it's also the reason they don't tip over >easily). > >I guess it's all in what someone's priorities are: >When I bought my Uniquely You, I costumed as a hobby >(still do), could not afford a custom-fit Wolf, and >didn't have the room in a 1-bedroom apartment for it. >These days, I'd rather spend the money on equipment >I'll use more often (like a gravity-feed iron), rather >than a dress form that gets only periodic use. > >Dawn > >===== >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 20:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570wbHP022685 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:58:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570t2VG012553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570pDFC019394; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h570pAFC019358 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.105] (pm4-105.eos.net [205.133.149.105]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15979 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:51:08 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:45:55 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306062021.h56KLpTs001499@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: visit bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, Bjarne, if you won't come visit us we'll have to come visit you. Where will you put us all? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 21:03:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5713pHP022697 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:03:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57124Uw012967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5712202023876; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5711x03023824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 19OS5m-0004Ts-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:01:58 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 19OS66-0000iM-00; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:02:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT Dress Forms In-Reply-To: <20030606185053.57734.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've had 2 of my Uniquely Yous for about 15-17 years, they are holding up very well. The foam on one is exposed at neck and arm, it has turned yellow but is not crumbling. Just about any place that sells the forms sells additional covers (you could also make your own fairly easily). The lowest price I've found is in the range of $130. Do a google search on the web and many site come up selling it. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 21:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5717nHP022711 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5715uUw013244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5715s02025599; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:05:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5715q02025529 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m104.in-tch.com [216.166.191.104]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h570lDj28700 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE13ACD.AA223D40@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:07:25 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink References: <20030606160437.49118.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's intended for dual use--to work through the process of building a fitted gown based on what I learned from Robin's workshop, and to serve as a "hangover revenge" outfit for SCA camping events. I don't drink, you see, or party late into the evening, and find myself resenting the noise from those who do. So, I can where this when I'm up bright and early, and stun the hung-over with the color combination. If I actually get it done it time AND get over my extreme camera phobia, I'll think of submitting to Penny's annual Halloween Costume Ball.... --sue Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > I've got shocking pink wool and matching linen to do > > a "test" Gothic > > Fitted Gown, but I'm distinctly _not_ going for an > > authentic color > > combination in that case--I WANT it to be > > eye-popping. (Teddy > > challenged me, a couple of years ago....) I've > > got a purpley-fuchsia > > wool for an overgown, AND some tangerine-orange > > velvet for a sideless > > surcoat. > > Yowza! Thank ghod for sunglasses. 8-D > > I want to see picture when you get it finished. It > should be something! ;-) > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 6 22:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h572gtHP023606 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h572f1Uw020962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h572f01k008950; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h572es1l008918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-61-66.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.61.66])h572g9Ae087640 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:50:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003501c32c38$805ec0f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <9C58AA94-9836-11D7-97D0-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h572es1l008918 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard you can get the crispness back by washing with vinegar after dying, and then line-drying. On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 07:32 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > I asked an expert (lady who has ben reenacting in Gustafs Skål for many > years) > She advised me not to use the shocking pink. She said that a lot of the > members would be making a lot of comments on that colour, and i think > she is > right. > Well, what do i do then, should i overdye it, or should i perhaps boil > it > and hope some of the colour would dissapear, then i could make a round > gown > worn late in the century in stead. > If i dye it and boil it, all the chrispnes would dissapear and the > thoaght > about making an english gown would not go with it, > Well i guess , i have to do something else and forget about the whole > thing. > Buy some new fabric for a robe anglaise. > Many greetings > > Bjarne. > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 00:24:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574OeHP026534 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574MiUw028098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574MeRe021407; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574MbRe021346 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a218.in-tch.com [66.62.107.18]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5743wj06096 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE168C0.C2B9CD38@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:23:28 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, gang. Wasn't someone, several months back (like, last winter?) talking about making a costume using pieces cut from compact discs? I don't have the posts that talked about it, but I have a whole stack of discs to send on to whoever it was, if anyone remembers, or if the originator is still on the list! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 00:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574iRHP027280 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:44:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574gfUw000193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574geRe001334; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574gbRe001239 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a218.in-tch.com [66.62.107.18]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h574Nwj12829 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE16D99.92DBA7E6@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:44:09 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... References: <200306070438.h574cDw17060@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, hi! That was quick! I ran across them the other day when cleaning out the back bedroom. Send me your snail mail addy off-list, and I'll try to get them mailed in the next week or two.... --sue, who *really* needs to get back to her emergency costuming for next weekend....<> Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > > Wasn't someone, several months back (like, last winter?) talking about > > making a costume using pieces cut from compact discs? > > I don't have the posts that talked about it, but I have a whole stack of > > discs to send on to whoever it was, if anyone remembers, or if the > > originator is still on the list! > > I'm still here. Didn't get the costume finished because of various > health problems, so yeah, I could still use a stack of CDs. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 00:45:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574jFHP027300 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:45:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574cQUw029677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574cPRe029179; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574cMRe029146 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h574cDw17060 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200306070438.h574cDw17060@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Wasn't someone, several months back (like, last winter?) talking about > making a costume using pieces cut from compact discs? > I don't have the posts that talked about it, but I have a whole stack of > discs to send on to whoever it was, if anyone remembers, or if the > originator is still on the list! I'm still here. Didn't get the costume finished because of various health problems, so yeah, I could still use a stack of CDs. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 00:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574xeHP027788 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:59:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574vpUw001309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574vnLD007333; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h574vkLD007314 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A10F12650030; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:58:55 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0CADE00148; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:57:46 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c32cb1$a004ab80$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306070438.h574cDw17060@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:59:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lee, I am sorry you have been having health problems. It is good to see you back. Maybe we need to start an h-costume re-hab center. I think we have some nurses on the list! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 01:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h575BaHP028178 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:11:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5759nUw002091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5759mLD011765; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5759jLD011744 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3DD12860030; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 00:10:53 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3991F1100F0; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 00:09:45 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c32cb3$4c659640$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306070438.h574cDw17060@gw.retro.com> <3EE16D99.92DBA7E6@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:11:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue, Mentioning cleaning... my whole costume book case fell all over my office this afternoon. Books went everywhere and mixed in with all my stacks of books on the floor. What a nightmare. My office looked like an earthquake hit it. Somehow, I ended up with more books than I had room for on my shelves. Now I have more stacks on the floor. Doesn't anyone want to adopt one of my sons to put through college?????? Sue, I think you need a college age kid. He is getting a degree in computers... so he would be a big help. All I need is one more son to move out and I can takeover the big bedroom with all the bookshelves as my office. Otherwise I have to wait until Christmas when he graduates, or until Sept. 2004 when our 4th son goes off to college. Come on Sue, I think you can help a friend in need. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 03:46:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h577kQHP025575 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h577iTUw011104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h577iLtQ006967; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h577iItQ006903 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0162.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.163]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51B4BEA73 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE19870.6080404@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:46:56 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink References: <1e6.a669052.2c1275a2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jummie dat sounds nice. I don't like pink but for such a dress, and with wite lace... It will defenatly break the glace of your teeth just by looking at it :-) . Greetings, Deredere >Have you ever made an 1860s ball gown? You ought to do one. It actually is >easier [IMHO] than an 18th century gown. You could make the corset and >crinoline. Then a wonderful bright pink gown with a front and back pointed bodice and >the décolletage covered in white orange blossoms. Or cover the bodice and part >of the skirt with an open white lace. > >Albert "can't stop designing" Cat >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 10:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57EfZHP008479 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57EdFUw007790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Ed6bL006912; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Ed1bL006842 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bef0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.240]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D734262955 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005a01c32d02$c743ce00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e6.a669052.2c1275a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:40:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again. You gave me a good idea here! Thanks for that. I have ben wondering a lot what to do with the fabric, i dont even want a pink shirt, i would never wear it, and Leif neither. This 1860 dress, i will try to make next winter and then i want to sell it on ebay! I could embroider it two Laughs Loud! with grey chenille thread. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink In a message dated 6/6/2003 6:46:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > Well i guess , i have to do something else and forget about the whole > thing. > Have you ever made an 1860s ball gown? You ought to do one. It actually is easier [IMHO] than an 18th century gown. You could make the corset and crinoline. Then a wonderful bright pink gown with a front and back pointed bodice and the décolletage covered in white orange blossoms. Or cover the bodice and part of the skirt with an open white lace. Albert "can't stop designing" Cat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:03:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57I3fHP008914 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:03:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Hp4Uw022001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Hp2Sd026394; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Hp0Sd026365 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp052207.usmo.com ([209.248.52.207] helo=Dan) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19OhqE-00003o-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:50:59 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c32d1d$763e4600$cf34f8d1@Dan> From: "Genie" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] New Costume Interest/ jeans vs. denim slacks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h57I3fHP008914 Status: RO Catching up on old digests. You said> > At my school, we wore uniform until the last two years, when we were > expected to wear reasonably smart, "office-type" clothing. They had > this rule, you could wear "smart denim trousers" but not "jeans". Never > did figure out the difference! > When I was pregnant in 1977 I had a pair of denim slacks that I wore to the office at least once a week. Every so often my boss or someone would question me one this because they were "denim". By -no- stretch of the imagination were they jeans (no rivets, no flat fell seams etc.) But they were blue denim and in some peoples eyes that made them jeans which wre a no-no at that time in the office world. I think I got away with it because no one wants to upset a pregnant lady. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57IEfHP008986 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57I53Uw023599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57I52hw003351; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57I4uhx003285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h57I4xkJ003759 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:04:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h57I4xsr003757 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:04:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:04:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <1e6.a669052.2c1275a2@aol.com> <005a01c32d02$c743ce00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <005a01c32d02$c743ce00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306071404.58993.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h57I4uhx003285 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 07 June 2003 10:40 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi again. > You gave me a good idea here! Thanks for that. > I have ben wondering a lot what to do with the fabric, i dont even want a > pink shirt, i would never wear it, and Leif neither. > This 1860 dress, i will try to make next winter and then i want to sell it > on ebay! > I could embroider it two Laughs Loud! with grey chenille thread. You could...and it might well be period for the 1860s-- more bizarre color combinations were! -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57IimHP009171 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:44:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57GVhUw016877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57GVgeY023365; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80408.mail.yahoo.com (web80408.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h57GVdeY023303 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030607163133.92682.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:31:33 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: uniquely you dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Allison Pace wrote: > On Friday, June 6, 2003, Dawn wrote: > > > My own personal preference for dress forms is the > > Uniquely You. It's a poly-foam body with a cotton > > cover you (and a friend, as it zips up the back) > > adjust to match your measurements exactly. I've > had > > Dawn - this sounds great! But my problem with > standard sizing is that > I my waist is two sizes smaller than the bust/hips > and I am > short-waisted, so more often than not, the > "standard" sizes of anything > need major alterations. Do you think the Uniquely > You zip-up cover can > be altered for extreme size differences on the same > body? > > My DTD isn't a good mold of me (a non-sewing friend > helped me and I > think she was too cautious with the topography.) And > And if I could fit > the cover to myself, then put it over the form, I > wouldn't need any > help! Thanks! > > Allison Allison-- I know absolutely, for a fact, that you can alter a Uniquely You to fit an hourglass figure (you lucky girl!). When I was about to buy my Uniquely You, I asked Victoria Ridenour how she dealt with that problem (she was the costumer who recommended that I get a Uniquely You). She said she simply took the cover off a standard size dress form that fit her bust and hips, and duct-taped down the foam until it was approximately her measurements. She then fit the cover to herself, zipped it on, and voila! perfect fit. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 14:48:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Im0HP009181 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57H1dUw018833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57H1cSd005212; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80404.mail.yahoo.com (web80404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h57H1ZSd005157 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030607170130.60091.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:01:30 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Dress form To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200306062022.h56KMrl5083597@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > Really? I see them in all the shops I've been in. > You can get them on eBay for about $200, sometimes. > > You can get them for around $500 new if you are an > educational organization, also Dress-Rite sells > very similar quality forms for $550, I think. I > know > many individuals that own them for smaller shops. Then you and I probably frequent different shops. As I said before, it's a matter of priorities and how one works. It's a help to have a dress form to do draping on, especially for myself, or if I'm working with lots of hanging yardage. However, I was originally taught to build toiles "on the flat" from the measurements the fitter gave me; I'm also fast enough to do a drape on the live person, and can work from there. It's simply the way I was taught. My own priorities (YMMV) are to spend money on equipment that will get used every day. For the price of a new Wolf or Superior dress form, I can go out and buy a new Uniquely You dress form AND a new Sussman gravity-feed iron with what's left, and still have enough (even after tax and shipping) to buy about $100 worth of notions, fabrics, or other tools I may need. If I already have those things, it's $500 that stays in my pocket. If I have a shop, that $500 goes to help pay overhead costs of a business: electricity, water, rent, taxes, advertising, etc. While a Wolf or Superior dress form might be a nice thing to have, unless I need a $500 business expense to write off, to me it's simply a waste of money when I can do the same tasks with a $130 Uniquely You. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 16:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57K0iHP009339 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:00:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57JkWUw001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57JkOs3006553; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57JkLs3006508 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com(4004) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <123.22805cd7.2c139b05@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:46:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shocking pink To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:08:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: > You could...and it might well be period for the 1860s-- more bizarre color > combinations were! > Pink and grey....depending on the shade of course....can be quite lovely and not bizarre. We know the pink shade, but is the grey Dove grey? Charcoal grey? Slate grey? Oyster?....?.....?....? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 16:44:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57KiaHP009432 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:44:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57KO4Uw004850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57KO39A024500; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57KO09A024429 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.netmtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:21:23 -0500 From: Allison Pace In-reply-to: <200306071800.h57I0nhx001179@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <9BAC5B06-9925-11D7-8276-000393D446D6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re:Uniquely You dress form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday, June 7, 2003, Dawn wrote: > I know absolutely, for a fact, that you can alter a > Uniquely You to fit an hourglass figure (you lucky > girl!). When I was about to buy my Uniquely You, I > asked Victoria Ridenour how she dealt with that > problem (she was the costumer who recommended that I > get a Uniquely You). She said she simply took the > cover off a standard size dress form that fit her bust > and hips, and duct-taped down the foam until it was > approximately her measurements. She then fit the cover > to herself, zipped it on, and voila! perfect fit. > > Dawn Woo hoo! Now I just have to wait til I get a 40% off coupon from JoAnn's. I had just about given up on having a "me" shape to work on, but this sounds like just what I need. And it's different than any of the others I've tried. Thanks so much for your feedback, Dawn. Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 17:19:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57LJPHP009564 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:19:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57KumUw007706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Kukau008766; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57Kuiau008725 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.netmtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:54:54 -0500 From: Allison Pace In-reply-to: <200306071800.h57I0nhx001179@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4A90235A-992A-11D7-8276-000393D446D6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 314 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, my faulty memory is at it again - I thought I remembered someone posting that Uniquely You forms were available at JoAnn's. But they aren't listed on JoAnn's web site, and my local store says they don't carry them. So I googled and found allbrands.com sells them for $129.99 and FREE shipping! Mine is on it's way. If I can't make this one work, then Dawn, I'm coming to your house for help...;-) Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 19:43:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NhlHP009942 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:43:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NJqUw016059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NJkLA003384; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41114.mail.yahoo.com (web41114.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h57NJhLA003339 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030607231938.40432.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [171.75.73.160] by web41114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:19:38 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stacey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200306070510.h5759vLF011807@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dress Forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I took off the cover on my Uniquely you, and, lo and behold, there were 1" seam allowances! I just had to let out 1/4" on six seamlines and it should work out perfectly. I just saved myself from having to buy a new cover. To the other Uniquely You users out there: how small can you squish the foam? I'm fitting this for my 30" waist, but I have a client who has measurements of 34/24/34. Can I make her a cover and just zip it over the foam for her custom designs? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 20:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h580HJHP010036 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:17:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NtZUw019244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NtYPX019719; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NtUPX019685 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h57NtT4r027010 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.203] (tnt-1-11.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.203]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57NtOuG027003 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301c32cb3$4c659640$0400a8c0@comcast.net> References: <200306070438.h574cDw17060@gw.retro.com> <3EE16D99.92DBA7E6@in-tch.com> <005301c32cb3$4c659640$0400a8c0@comcast.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:00:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picking up on an old thread.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:11 AM -0400 6/7/03, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Sue, > >Mentioning cleaning... my whole costume book case fell all over my office >this afternoon. Books went everywhere and mixed in with all my stacks of >books on the floor. What a nightmare. My office looked like an earthquake >hit it. Somehow, I ended up with more books than I had room for on my >shelves. Now I have more stacks on the floor. Those of us whom actual earthquakes are likely to hit tend to have our bookcases bolted to the wall studs so they don't fall over. But it does describe the effect, nicely. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 22:02:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58229HP010267 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:02:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581e1VW028813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581Xs0D005494; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f68.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581Xp0D005460 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:33:46 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:33:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:33:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2003 01:33:46.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[01133E80:01C32D5E] cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] preference question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just finished my victorian corset, but was wondering about the laces. Please let me know your preference between one long lace tightened to the waist, or two long laces tied at the waist? You can email me off list if you want at distantdesigns@hotmail.com . I just want to know what people like or dislike about one methos or another. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 22:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5823WHP010272 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:03:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581h7Uw028957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581h60D008482; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h581h40D008473 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-013caburbp0128.dialsprint.net ([63.191.0.128] helo=[0019381808]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19OpD5-0002x1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:43:03 -0400 From: "Katherine" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:44:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EE23289.15280.17CA402@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in NC? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'll be visiting a friend in Greensboro, North Carolina soon and was wondering if anyone knew of any good fabric stores in the area. Thanks, Katherine "I really think that artists to-day try to see how far they can make fun of the public without its revolting." Marie, Queen of Roumania My Dress Site http://www.koshka-the-cat.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 7 23:04:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5834mHP010384 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:04:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h582fRUw002286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h582fN9O028756; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h582fL9O028711 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.39.3997802d (16930) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39.3997802d.2c13fc46@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:41:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in NC? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/7/2003 9:51:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, kcg@sprynet.com writes: > I'll be visiting a friend in Greensboro, North Carolina soon and was > wondering if > anyone knew of any good fabric stores in the area. > Greensboro only has a Hancock Fabrics and a Jo Ann's. Unless you want upholstery fabric. Mary Jo's is in Gastonia...which is a couple of hours away down I-85 south near Charlotte....but worth the trip. It's a big store with lots of stuff. Some silk taffetas but as usual lots of dupioni. But there are some good laces and some lovely synthetics in the fancy dress stuffs dept. Some nice wools too. The store is not seasonal so all this stuff should be out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 00:08:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5848GHP010493 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5846KUw008703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5846InZ004167; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5846GnZ004133 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:06:54 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A65A28C601C6; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:06:53 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:06:53 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] preference question Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c32d73$514cc320$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never really noticed the difference, and I've done it both way. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Sena Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:34 PM To: 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] preference question I just finished my victorian corset, but was wondering about the laces. Please let me know your preference between one long lace tightened to the waist, or two long laces tied at the waist? You can email me off list if you want at distantdesigns@hotmail.com . I just want to know what people like or dislike about one methos or another. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 04:53:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h588r1HP018994 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 04:53:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h588p2Uw029133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h588osJk024102; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h588oqJk024085 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-64-175-32-231.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.32.231]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h588opER022586 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030608014831.00e02a50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:50:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] preference question In-Reply-To: <001b01c32d73$514cc320$0201a8c0@kimathlon> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I usually go with three sets of laces, tho I don't think it's period. One lace goes in the middle four holes, right at the waist. One lace does everything above the waist, and one lace does everything below the waist. >I've never really noticed the difference, and I've done it both way. >I just finished my victorian corset, but was wondering about the laces. > >Please let me know your preference between one long lace tightened to >the >waist, or two long laces tied at the waist? You can email me off list >if >you want at distantdesigns@hotmail.com . I just want to know what >people >like or dislike about one methos or another. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 09:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58D5jHP023522 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58D2vUw017178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58D2tGo024853; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58D2pGo024800 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p14-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.208.14] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Ozos-00068S-00; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:02:46 +1200 Message-ID: <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:02:46 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all:) OK, I've finally got some photos of the garb I'm working furiously on.. or as furiously as one can with a dozen projects on the go;) Time management, that's the ticket;) And hopefully some nice ouchy B12 shots soon so I have more time to actually manage;) (Pernicious anaemia is not fun, I'm so tired all the time) Anyway: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm No where near finished, but getting there:) I'm particularly proud of my accessories for this, and I *love* my necklace. So far I have: hennin, base and covered in velvet and red glass beads and pearls, still need to finish the design but if it doesn't happen this will do. I also need to make the head band with loop to go under it, but it wedges on nicely with no support arleady, just my plaits. And i need to line the hennin. Necklace: two more rows of seed bead loops, again if I don't have time it's enough as it is. Shift: done! needs re-ironing and one gather has popped, but otherwise;) Kirtle: fitted and edges neatened, but it needs hemming and lacing done. Then I will turn all seams in to hand finish for if I wish to enter it into A&S comps:) gown: wool sewn and only one seam left to neaten, how I love herringbone stitch! I'm getting the velvet trim around the neck, need to finish that then sew silver cording on either side of the trim.. then do that for the cuffs! And a deep velvet border at the bottom of the gown. And lacing rings;) hose: still need to cut them out... Shoes: got them cut out! Need to stitch together, so I need leather needles. So.. not quite finished;) But getting there:) Yes, I have a penchant for orange;) OK, going to send this to the sca-garb list that's *not* the yahoo group and hopefully off to bed:) micahela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 09:20:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58DKHHP023564 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58DIVUw018145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58DIUGo000735; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58DISGo000711 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19P043-0002vd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:18:27 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 06:18:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c32dc0$71f68d20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very nice work! I love your fashion plates! It is going to be "saaaaaweeeet"! I really like the dark trim on the opening. Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of michaela ~Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:03 AM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) ~ ~Hi all:) OK, I've finally got some photos of the garb I'm working ~furiously on.. or as furiously as one can with a dozen projects on the ~go;) Time management, that's the ticket;) And hopefully some nice ouchy ~B12 shots soon so I have more time to actually manage;) (Pernicious ~anaemia is not fun, I'm so tired all the time) ~ ~Anyway: ~http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm ~ ~No where near finished, but getting there:) I'm particularly proud of my ~accessories for this, and I *love* my necklace. ~ ~So far I have: ~hennin, base and covered in velvet and red glass beads and pearls, still ~need to finish the design but if it doesn't happen this will do. I also ~need to make the head band with loop to go under it, but it wedges on ~nicely with no support arleady, just my plaits. And i need to line the ~hennin. ~ ~Necklace: two more rows of seed bead loops, again if I don't have time ~it's enough as it is. ~ ~Shift: done! needs re-ironing and one gather has popped, but otherwise;) ~ ~Kirtle: fitted and edges neatened, but it needs hemming and lacing done. ~Then I will turn all seams in to hand finish for if I wish to enter it ~into A&S comps:) ~ ~gown: wool sewn and only one seam left to neaten, how I love herringbone ~stitch! I'm getting the velvet trim around the neck, need to finish that ~then sew silver cording on either side of the trim.. then do that for ~the cuffs! And a deep velvet border at the bottom of the gown. And ~lacing rings;) ~ ~hose: still need to cut them out... ~ ~Shoes: got them cut out! Need to stitch together, so I need leather ~needles. ~ ~So.. not quite finished;) But getting there:) ~ ~Yes, I have a penchant for orange;) ~ ~OK, going to send this to the sca-garb list that's *not* the yahoo group ~and hopefully off to bed:) ~ ~micahela ~http://glittersweet.com ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 11:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58FfqHP023850 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58FdKUw026935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58FdIXt020462; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9401.mail.yahoo.com (web9401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h58FdGXt020447 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030608153916.51727.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.78.208.191] by web9401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 08:39:16 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very nice work michella---looking forward to the article on the construction---(I made a burgundian ages ago---and it's time to make another--time and gravity having taken their toll:( thanks so much for sharing! Cheers and Best ! Albra michaela wrote: Hi all:) OK, I've finally got some photos of the garb I'm working furiously on.. or as furiously as one can with a dozen projects on the go;) Time management, that's the ticket;) And hopefully some nice ouchy B12 shots soon so I have more time to actually manage;) (Pernicious anaemia is not fun, I'm so tired all the time) Anyway: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm No where near finished, but getting there:) I'm particularly proud of my accessories for this, and I *love* my necklace. So far I have: hennin, base and covered in velvet and red glass beads and pearls, still need to finish the design but if it doesn't happen this will do. I also need to make the head band with loop to go under it, but it wedges on nicely with no support arleady, just my plaits. And i need to line the hennin. Necklace: two more rows of seed bead loops, again if I don't have time it's enough as it is. Shift: done! needs re-ironing and one gather has popped, but otherwise;) Kirtle: fitted and edges neatened, but it needs hemming and lacing done. Then I will turn all seams in to hand finish for if I wish to enter it into A&S comps:) gown: wool sewn and only one seam left to neaten, how I love herringbone stitch! I'm getting the velvet trim around the neck, need to finish that then sew silver cording on either side of the trim.. then do that for the cuffs! And a deep velvet border at the bottom of the gown. And lacing rings;) hose: still need to cut them out... Shoes: got them cut out! Need to stitch together, so I need leather needles. So.. not quite finished;) But getting there:) Yes, I have a penchant for orange;) OK, going to send this to the sca-garb list that's *not* the yahoo group and hopefully off to bed:) micahela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 14:05:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58I5uHP024197 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58I49Uw007899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58I47sq017445; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58I45sq017368 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m191.in-tch.com [216.166.191.191]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h58HjQj00592 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE37AF2.183BC948@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:05:38 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela, this looks like so much fun! I look forward to seeing the completed outfit, too! I know someone who would just *adore* your color choice, too! I do hope, when you get the whole process posted on line, that you talk *lots* about the details (like that amazing necklace).... --sue, admittedly completely addicted to dress diaries ;-) michaela wrote: > > Hi all:) OK, I've finally got some photos of the garb I'm working > furiously on.. or as furiously as one can with a dozen projects on the > go;) Time management, that's the ticket;) And hopefully some nice ouchy > B12 shots soon so I have more time to actually manage;) (Pernicious > anaemia is not fun, I'm so tired all the time) > > Anyway: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 16:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KhBHP024641 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KfPUw021702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KfEd7000996; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KfBd7000963 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.192]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:51:23 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c32dfe$497a70d0$c0520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] deaccessioning a sewing room X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h58KhBHP024641 Status: RO Hello, All of you seem to know one another pretty well, so I’m feeling a bit shy about writing, but a couple of you are on the FOCD list so here it goes. My mother died 2 ½ years ago and I’m finally down to the nitty gritty of clearing out her sewing room drawers. She was a good little New Englander and a Virgo as well so she had more than just a slight tendency to be a pack rat. Among her things, are these great rolls of brown silk grosgrain ribbon which I will never have a use for. My best guess is that she bought these rolls new when she worked for Woodward and Lothrop’s in the 1940’s. I thought I would offer them up to the members of this list the same way I’ve done other things on FOCD. So if anyone would like a share of these sewing treasures the “deal” is that I mail a box to you and you send me the postage plus whatever you feel it is worth to you. I send the money on to my dad who is building a memorial fund in her name at the Lowell Quilt Museum. Hope no one feels that I’m out of line making this offer to the list, but since the only thing I get out of it personally is the chance to have my sewing space back I’m hoping that no one will mind. If you are interested I can be reached at beads@traknet.com . Thanks, Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 16:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KqYHP024678 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58KooUw022397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58Kond7005194; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58Koid7005125 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.192]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:00:57 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:50:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c32dff$9fa30fc0$c0520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] deaccessioning addendum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h58KqYHP024678 Status: RO There are two apparently full (10 yd each) rolls of ¾” , 7 rolls in various degrees of fullness of 1 1/8” and 6 rolls again of varying degrees of fullness of 1 ¼” ribbons. As I leave it up to you to decide what it is worth I wasn’t going to measure it all out but will if the total length is important to you. Thanks again Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 19:05:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58N5qHP025213 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58N41Uw002519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58N3xFx003276; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h58N3uFx003252 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1044 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 23:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.inreach.com) (209.142.2.50) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 23:03:56 -0000 Received: from 12.233.12.26 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1107.12.233.12.26.1055113436.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) From: To: In-Reply-To: <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> References: <7c.39d38e05.2c11242e@aol.com> <3EE333F6.3050103@ihug.co.nz> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi all:) OK, I've finally got some photos of the garb I'm working > furiously on.. or as furiously as one can with a dozen projects on the > go;) Time management, that's the ticket;) And hopefully some nice ouchy > B12 shots soon so I have more time to actually manage;) (Pernicious > anaemia is not fun, I'm so tired all the time) > > Anyway: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm > > No where near finished, but getting there:) I'm particularly proud of my > accessories for this, and I *love* my necklace. I also think your necklace is fabulous!! Did you go to fashion design school? Your renderings are just like a woman I used to sew with who had gone to fashion design school. In any case, nice work so far! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 21:02:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5912LHP025495 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5910YUw011490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5910XXT020457; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5910VXT020447 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PB1N-0007je-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:00:26 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] deaccessioning a sewing room Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32e22$83455270$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c32dfe$497a70d0$c0520940@WorkingGirl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: beads@traknet.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Margaret! I think this is a great idea...and I'll take you up on it. I will send you my address offlist. Thanks for the opportunity! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 21:02:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5912THP025498 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:02:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h590wAUw011355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h590w9XT019543; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h590w5XT019510 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from susan (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5653704F2 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201c32e22$c02e4750$0200a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:02:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-wanadoo-be-Metrics: net.indra.com 1016; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric sale in the Dayton Ohio area X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, My dad runs a thrift/donation/whatever store for the Troy Ohio Habitat for Humanity group. They had a lot of drapery fabric donated to them and they are selling it for $2 a yard. I haven't seen this, so I don't know the ratio of prints to brocades, but my mom said some of it is really nice. Since I'm too far away to take advantage of this, I thought I'd pass it on. I hope that's ok. Could someone pass this on to the Dayton area SCA please? Thanks, Susan Courney > It's called the Restore and it is open Friday and Saturday 9AM -3PM. >Directions: Coming north on I75 they should get off at the first Troy Exit, Exit 73. >Turn right coming off the ramp. Follow road towards town, go through two > traffic lights, then go left on Lincoln. After crossing a railroad track > go left on Simpson, then right on Garfield and they will see the sign. > The address is 518 South Garfield. IT's sort of an out of the way spot > but easy to get to if you know where to go. (and if you see a man named Ralph running around, tell him his daughter says hi ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 21:06:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5916nHP025502 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59155Uw011830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59154XT022292; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59152XT022285 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PB5o-0005yL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:05:00 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32e23$26d5ba60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope it is a glorious spring or summer day where you all are. It is hot here in Phoenix - already ~104 .I don't mind, but I only go outside for the morning hours. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 21:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591XTHP025536 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591ViUw013455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591VgXT002297; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591VcXT002190 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a261.in-tch.com [66.62.107.61]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h591Cxj11308 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE3E3D6.44C69213@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 19:33:10 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! References: <000001c32e23$26d5ba60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Doesn't that count as "spring weather" in your neck of the woods? We're having the usual mix of one nice, sunny hot day followed by a thunderstormy day. Dunno what everyone else is up to (and yeah, it sure *is* quiet!), but I'm engaged in the usual pre-event scramble to make clothes (in this case, 2 simple early-16th c. Italian dresses, and a couple of camicias for a camping event I'm headed to later this week). --sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Hope it is a glorious spring or summer day where you all are. It is hot > here in Phoenix - already ~104 .I don't mind, but I only go outside for > the morning hours. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 21:59:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591xcHP025570 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:59:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591vrUw015144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591vqwj013190; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h591vnwj013172 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.150]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:08:03 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c32e2a$865557f0$96520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] ribbons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, all of the ribbon is spoken for. Thanks for all of your interest. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 22:21:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592LLHP025602 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592JUUw017262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592JOwj023223; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592JKwj023167 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.7b.12ca964b (4116) for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.12ca964b.2c15489e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:19:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/03 9:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > Doesn't that count as "spring weather" in your neck of the woods? > We're having the usual mix of one nice, sunny hot day followed by a > thunderstormy day. > Dunno what everyone else is up to (and yeah, it sure *is* quiet!), but > I'm engaged in the usual pre-event scramble to make clothes (in this > case, 2 simple early-16th c. Italian dresses, and a couple of camicias > for a camping event I'm headed to later this week). Blah! Nice weather my foot- I graduated from high school today (*preen!*) in cloudy, nasty weather, and it's been raining on and off for the past three weeks or so. Granted it was sunny on Friday, but it was the first time I'd seen the sun in at least 12 days! Ah well. I finally have my diploma. Costume relevance: I showed off my Margo-pattern Elizabethan ("The Green Brocade") last Wednesday, and it was very well received! I'll be getting dressed in it tomorrow, and I'll have pictures taken so that I can post them somewhere. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 22:51:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592pnHP025698 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:51:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592o1Uw020220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592o0wj006984; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592nvwj006968 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h592nu4r013817 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.114] (tnt-1-178.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.114]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h592nquG013795 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c32e23$26d5ba60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <000001c32e23$26d5ba60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:45:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 6:04 PM -0700 6/8/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >Hope it is a glorious spring or summer day where you all are. It is hot >here in Phoenix - already ~104 .I don't mind, but I only go outside for >the morning hours. > Here around the SF bay, we're having one of those "cool grey" weekends. Last night the fog-ceiling was at just the right level that the sky glowed with the reflection of the urban lights. Eerie and vaguely disturbing. I looked out the window right around 11 pm before going to bed and had a moment's irrational panic that the city must be burning to glow like that. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 8 23:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h593AfHP025745 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5938iUw021928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5938hlO015810; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail4.mn.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5938elO015779 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail4.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030608220957.02f18a80@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:13:46 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <000001c32dfe$497a70d0$c0520940@WorkingGirl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, As of 12:30 pm, Saturday June 7th I am the proud aunt of Bowen Ian Nunn (9lbs 9oz - 53cm/21in) and need to make some cool but practical baby clothes (medieval/celtic theme things are good). Since I've never had much to do with babies before - anyone have suggestions? I've got a lot to live up to, I've been told I'm officially the kids' "cool aunt" ... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 01:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5951lHP025972 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h594wjUw029815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h594wiQd029882; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h594weQd029855 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:58:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14a156.directcon.net [207.215.72.156]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h59546k27537; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:04:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030608215954.00ffd420@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:59:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume , h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! In-Reply-To: <7b.12ca964b.2c15489e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:19 PM 06/08/2003 EDT, IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: I graduated from high school today (*preen!*) Congratulations! Margo "One Tough Costumer" www.margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 06:37:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AbMHP029723 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:37:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AY1Uw020896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AXvY1019481; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AXrY1019429 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B84810EF75 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008901c32e72$9e44bc00$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030608220957.02f18a80@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:33:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations! (And a sympathetic "Ouch!" to the mother, that's a BIG baby!) Cynthia Virtue made some adorable tunics and hoods for her twins. You might want to check her page for pictures. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? > Greetings, > > As of 12:30 pm, Saturday June 7th I am the proud aunt of Bowen Ian Nunn > (9lbs 9oz - 53cm/21in) and need to make some cool but practical baby > clothes (medieval/celtic theme things are good). Since I've never had much > to do with babies before - anyone have suggestions? I've got a lot to live > up to, I've been told I'm officially the kids' "cool aunt" ... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 06:38:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AcMHP029728 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:38:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AZEUw020982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AZDY1019959; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AZAY1019925 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A646310EF4F for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009101c32e72$cc7169c0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7b.12ca964b.2c15489e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Blah! Nice weather my foot- I graduated from high school today (*preen!*) in > cloudy, nasty weather, and it's been raining on and off for the past three > weeks or so. CONGRATULATIONS!! My oldest son graduated last Friday. I feel very old... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 06:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AlbHP029751 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AiZUw021322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59AiYY1022701; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h59AiWY1022667 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030609104427.88589.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:44:27 BST Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:44:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <009101c32e72$cc7169c0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nah, I just was on no email/not on list for a while, got a tad bored with the list. ;-) Anything interesting happened in the meantime? Anything that is waiting to get stirred up? *LOL* Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 07:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59BwqHP029905 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:58:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59BtmUw027379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59BtkQ3021186; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59BtgQ3021081 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a215.in-tch.com [66.62.107.15]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h59Bb2j08196 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE4761B.72F90A24@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:57:15 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! References: <7b.12ca964b.2c15489e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations! It rained/stormed when I graduated high school, too. And it was an outdoor ceremony. I remember the mud up the back of my gown (from my shoes flipping bits up there as I walked), and how they'd covered the speakers for the sound system with these huge garbage bags, which came off in the winds, and floated lazily about in the air like weird balloons. Gawd, but that was a long time ago. Now I'm feeling old, too.....*sigh* --sue IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > > Blah! Nice weather my foot- I graduated from high school today (*preen!*) in > cloudy, nasty weather, and it's been raining on and off for the past three > weeks or so. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 11:46:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59FkkHP030473 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59FhQUw017175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59FhMuR014891; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59FhHuR014771 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.77.12a17844 (4402) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <77.12a17844.2c16050a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:43:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/03 7:57:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com (and a group of others) writes: > Congratulations! Thank you! No more school for me! At least, not until I head off to college in August. They have a chapter of the SCA there, and there's someone in charge of sewing/needlework. I'll fit right in! > It rained/stormed when I graduated high school, too. And it was an > outdoor ceremony. I remember the mud up the back of my gown (from my > shoes flipping bits up there as I walked), and how they'd covered the > speakers for the sound system with these huge garbage bags, which came > off in the winds, and floated lazily about in the air like weird > balloons. > Gawd, but that was a long time ago. Now I'm feeling old, too.....*sigh* We graduated in fifty identical white spaghetti-strap floor-length gowns, and fifty pairs of very different white sandals. The tarp they laid down beneath the tent wasn't enough to keep the mud from us, so the fronts of my shoes are mud-covered (white fabric...any hints?!), and the back of my dress is spattered (dry cleaner's..soon). Fortunately, chilly and cloudy as it was, there was no rain- so at least we weren't soaked graduates! Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 13:03:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59H3dHP030653 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59GuaVi025670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59Ggufk027390; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h59Ggcfk027050 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhZ0dw79X+Q7TupBCvFsyl8=">; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:41:36 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZ9D6RMD; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:41:36 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:57:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Must be nice weather out...very quiet! Message-ID: <20030609.094108.368.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tried Oxyclean? And congratulations! :-) Arlys > We graduated in fifty identical white spaghetti-strap floor-length > gowns, and > fifty pairs of very different white sandals. The tarp they laid > down beneath > the tent wasn't enough to keep the mud from us, so the fronts of my > shoes are > mud-covered (white fabric...any hints?!), and the back of my dress > is > spattered (dry cleaner's..soon). Fortunately, chilly and cloudy as > it was, there was > no rain- so at least we weren't soaked graduates! > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 14:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59IsEHP031026 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59IorUw008987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59IonB8002479; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59IolB8002365 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03486178pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.86.79.197]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HG8008KD9NRAC@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:51:40 -0500 From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 Subject: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Silk should never be bleached. It yellows badly, and from my experience it can not easily be gotten out once it happens. I believe it greatly shortens the life of the fabric. The Oxy cleaners work wonders to whiten silk.. I spilled hot tea onto a white sueded charmeuse just this past week, and was in a panic when it did not come out in the regular wash (washed but not dried in). I took a wash basin, put in a scoop of the oxy clean stuff, added about a gallon of very hot water, and soaked the shirt for a couple of hours and it came out completely. Then I made the mistake of setting the wet shirt ontop of a box of drier sheets when the telephone rang, forgot about it for several hours.... And the print dye from the box transferrred to the shirt.... had to re-soak it a gain, but it worked wonders. -- Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 15:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JWSHP031110 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JTJUw013351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JTHxF000911; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JTCxF000848 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17370 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:51:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:51:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach In-Reply-To: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Silk should never be bleached. It yellows badly, and from my > experience it can not easily be gotten out once it happens. I believe > it greatly shortens the life of the fabric. That's putting it mildly. Silk, like wool, dissolves in bleach. It's one of the tests I use to find out a fabric's fiber content (thanks to whomever it was who first posted the idea to this list!). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 15:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JhaHP031143 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JeFUw014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JeDxF008991; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lycos.com (www4.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.170]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h59Je7xF008801 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:39:58 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:39:58 -0400 From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.5.166 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations! Check out: http://ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/constancefairfax/Breughel.htm if the link dosen't work go to Drea's site www.costume.dm.net and click on Breughel's Babies. This won't be much help for dressing a newborn, but is very useful for when the kid is a few months old. I'm using this article as a jumping off point for the research on the clothes I'm making for my son Thomas(5 weeks yesterday!) to wear this fall when he starts going to events. I'm not sure I agree with all of the author's conclusions regarding the layers, but I need to do more research and find better reproductions of the paintings. -Katie ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 15:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JvNHP031170 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:57:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JsGUw016402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59JsDxF020273; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59Js7xF020145 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.bc.393fa56c (16109) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-d13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.129]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v93.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed3ee4e5d61ad; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! =?ISO-8859-1?B?oEhlbHAgLS0gY2xvdGhlcyBzdWdnZXN0aW9ucz8=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <077BC17D.128B1A23.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/constancefairfax/Breughel.htm Oy! The link that will not die. I wrote this several years ago & can't get it to go away. I am hoping that once I cancel this email account that they'll shut off my space. I recently did a small article for an SCA magazine - the copy of that article is at http://home.uchicago.edu/~atterlep/costuming/breughelbabies2.htm Unfortunately, it appears I didn't put in any of the links to the drawings, etc. I have a few PDFs with drawings and snippets that I could send to anyone who is interested. >I'm not sure I agree with all of the author's conclusions regarding the layers, but I need to do more research and find better reproductions of the paintings. I don't agree with all of the author's conclusions either (I could argue with myself all day), but I have done more research/speculation/experimentation & have come up with better rationalizations. I need to take a weekend and get everything down on paper/website & in control. :) For anyone who is interested, I will be teaching a half day session at Pennsic on Breugel clothes for men, women and children. Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 16:04:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59K4OHP031193 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59K18Uw017311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59K14Co026563; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59K11Co026532 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PSpA-0000KC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:01:00 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c32ec1$d92aea20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Portrait of a Moravian Woman-new to me X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11 &full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 This portrait was new to me and thought you all might enjoy it. Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 17:56:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59LujHP031672 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59Lu8Uw000283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59LrOcW022452; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe29.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59LqlcW022013 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:52:42 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe29.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:52:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20030608014831.00e02a50@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] preference question Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:52:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2003 21:52:42.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[7417B860:01C32ED1] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do something similar with my Elizabethan corset. I find it more comfortable, because it keeps it tight exactly where it needs to be and I can slack it off where I want it not quite as tight. It also allows me to keep the space in the back even. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:50 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] preference question > I usually go with three sets of laces, tho I don't think it's period. One > lace goes in the middle four holes, right at the waist. One lace does > everything above the waist, and one lace does everything below the waist. > > >I've never really noticed the difference, and I've done it both way. > > > >I just finished my victorian corset, but was wondering about the laces. > > > >Please let me know your preference between one long lace tightened to > >the > >waist, or two long laces tied at the waist? You can email me off list > >if > >you want at distantdesigns@hotmail.com . I just want to know what > >people > >like or dislike about one methos or another. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 18:12:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59MCNHP031724 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:12:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59MBgUw002008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59M91Y6003666; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59M8vY6003601 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19PUoy-000KJT-0W; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:08:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:01:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach References: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This came up perfect timing for me. I need to make hair accessories in silk, and I have a big enough bit of scrap which is much too bright yellow, but would be fine in a lighter shade. I went to the bathroom bleach, and discovered it was peroxide instead of chlorine - "safe when spilt on clothing", damn! But is that what you mean by oxy cleaners - are they peroxide bleach? Jean Linda J. Thompson wrote >Silk should never be bleached. It yellows badly, and from my >experience it can not easily be gotten out once it happens. I believe >it greatly shortens the life of the fabric. >The Oxy cleaners work wonders to whiten silk.. I spilled hot tea onto a >white sueded charmeuse just this past week, and was in a panic when it >did not come out in the regular wash (washed but not dried in). >I took a wash basin, put in a scoop of the oxy clean stuff, added about >a gallon of very hot water, and soaked the shirt for a couple of hours >and it came out completely. Then I made the mistake of setting the wet >shirt ontop of a box of drier sheets when the telephone rang, forgot >about it for several hours.... And the print dye from the box >transferrred to the shirt.... had to re-soak it a gain, but it worked >wonders. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 18:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59MEtHP031736 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59MEIUw002273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59MBsY6005547; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59M8vY6003600 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19PUoy-000KJT-0W; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:08:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:01:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach References: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This came up perfect timing for me. I need to make hair accessories in silk, and I have a big enough bit of scrap which is much too bright yellow, but would be fine in a lighter shade. I went to the bathroom bleach, and discovered it was peroxide instead of chlorine - "safe when spilt on clothing", damn! But is that what you mean by oxy cleaners - are they peroxide bleach? Jean Linda J. Thompson wrote >Silk should never be bleached. It yellows badly, and from my >experience it can not easily be gotten out once it happens. I believe >it greatly shortens the life of the fabric. >The Oxy cleaners work wonders to whiten silk.. I spilled hot tea onto a >white sueded charmeuse just this past week, and was in a panic when it >did not come out in the regular wash (washed but not dried in). >I took a wash basin, put in a scoop of the oxy clean stuff, added about >a gallon of very hot water, and soaked the shirt for a couple of hours >and it came out completely. Then I made the mistake of setting the wet >shirt ontop of a box of drier sheets when the telephone rang, forgot >about it for several hours.... And the print dye from the box >transferrred to the shirt.... had to re-soak it a gain, but it worked >wonders. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 20:08:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A08NHP032087 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:08:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A07nUw016653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A07gh7021098; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A07Yh7020966 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p22-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.207.150] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PWff-0006xJ-00; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:07:28 +1200 Message-ID: <3EE52138.4070604@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:07:20 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > That's putting it mildly. Silk, like wool, dissolves in bleach. It's one > of the tests I use to find out a fabric's fiber content (thanks to > whomever it was who first posted the idea to this list!). Yep, discovered that when I wanted to remove fuschia dye for a piece of silk chiffon. The shop assistant said *not* to iron it but to try bleaching it... I have no idea why she thought bleach was safe but ironing not.... I was wanting to iron it asit tends to crinkle so much that a 90cm wide piece winds up about 30cm. Still it's been useful like that so I haven't actually ironed it at all;) Yes, It degrades beautifully in bleach does it not? michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 20:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0FXHP032096 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0F0Uw017927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0Exh7025856; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0Euh7025821 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.182]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h5A0XeP15473 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:33:43 +1000 Message-ID: <0c8401c32ee5$baf03a00$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EE4D73C.40802@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:10:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I once accidentally put my husband's linen collar with silk tassels in laundry soaker and the silk yellowed. As it wasn't too bad, he still used the collar many times (and I washed it in the eucalyptus wool mix I use for silk many times too). Over a year later he accidentally leant too close to his claret and dipped one of the tassels in the wine. I washed out the wine with wool mix, and lo and behold, not only did the wine come out (after a long soak!), but the silk was white again! We then, of course, dipped the other tassel in wine too! I don't know what the active ingredient was in the wine that whitened the silk, but it would be interesting to find out. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 20:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0QnHP032126 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0PgUw019756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0Pfh7002510; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0Pbh8002467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5A0PnkJ018400 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5A0PmXo018398 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:25:48 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Moravian Woman-new to me Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:25:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <001401c32ec1$d92aea20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <001401c32ec1$d92aea20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306092025.48486.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5A0Pbh8002467 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 09 June 2003 04:00 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11 > &item=24%2E80%2E529> &full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 > > This portrait was new to me and thought you all might enjoy it. I'm confused. Neither link identifies itself as being of a Moravian Woman. One is titled "The Epiphany" (Picture to match) and one is titled "Madonna and Child" (Picture to match) I do not see a portrait, let alone one of a Moravian female. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 20:27:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0RjHP032135 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:27:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0REUw020013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0RDh7003347; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A0Qsh7003163 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p22-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.207.150] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PWyR-0005xY-00; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:26:51 +1200 Message-ID: <3EE525CE.2040301@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:26:54 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Orange Burgundian:) References: <000501c32dc0$71f68d20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000501c32dc0$71f68d20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To reduce the amount of multiple posting on the same subject I'm going to reply to all ...replies;) so far. > Very nice work! I love your fashion plates! It is going to be > "saaaaaweeeet"! I really like the dark trim on the opening. > > Sg Thanks:) It's going to be black cotton velvet borded with silver cord. I'm feeling less worried about it now that I have some on the dress. But it is all hand sewing and my fingers are triggering again:( Sigh. > Very nice work michella---looking forward to the article on the construction---(I made a burgundian ages ago---and it's time to make another--time and gravity having taken their toll:( > thanks so much for sharing! > Cheers and Best ! > Albra Thanks:) Yeah, I've found some exciting things in just making this gown, and will have to start typing them out or I may forget;) Oh and just as a side note, it's Michaela, not michella;) Not sure if it was a typo, but I've had others call me that too so I just wanted to clafify:) > Michaela, this looks like so much fun! I look forward to seeing the > completed outfit, too! lol! Me too;) I'm not so panicked anymore.. maybe because the gloss of the occasion I'll be wearing it to has rubbed off and I'm not looking forward to it so much. Still I'm excited to be getting to the finiching touches of the gown:) > I know someone who would just *adore* your color choice, too! hehe, there are a few orange lovers on this list;) > I do hope, when you get the whole process posted on line, that you talk > *lots* about the details (like that amazing necklace).... Thanks:) I just bought some more wire, which is a different gauge but. Still it might be a nice halfway between the thicker wire and thread in that it will be softer and fit to the curves of the neck more:) > --sue, admittedly completely addicted to dress diaries ;-) hehehe, I was going to start, but I haven't had that for other pages so it may look a bit out of place;) > I also think your necklace is fabulous!! Thanks:) I had seen a bracelt at a 2nd hand store and thought it might do nicely for some jewellery if I pulled it apart, but left it as I wasn't that sure. Then I went back, it was still there and I realised it was perfect for what I needed:) And thus we have the silver sections of the necklace. > Did you go to fashion design school? Your renderings are just like a > woman I used to sew with who had gone to fashion design school. hehe, no, I just have drawn since I was a child:) And now with the costume interest I've gotten terrible! I now spend as much time drawing in seam placesments as I do on any other part! I really need to refind some inspiration and stop sketching like I'm doing costume renderings;) I also had someone a few years ago gfo on about how she was in a fashion/costume class and that you had to do that if you wanted to be any good... so I looked at her, and mentioned a few of the Doyennes of costuming (Arnold, Bradfield, even Kohler as an example of what to take with a grain of sand...) and she had never heard of them! I thought that said everything;) I doubt they are even being taught much about pattern drafting or cutting.... michaela http://glittersweet.com Not saying no one should go to school to learn a specialist subject. I needed to for performing, but others haven't. It's all to do with the student and the teachers and how they learn/teach. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 9 21:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A1HZHP032259 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A1H2Uw025444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A1H0L2000753; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A1GtL2000684 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PXks-0005xJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:16:55 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:16:54 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c32eed$fb4fbe60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] FW: Portrait of a Moravian Woman-new to me X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How weird! It works for me. Are you getting the whole url? I have tried pasting it as a hyperlink this time. Hopefully it won't break it up. If all else fails go to www.metmuseum.org search function and put in Pieter Pietersz as the artist, or Moravian as a key word. http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11 &full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 00:06:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A46bHP032590 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A466Uw007496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A465OB019956; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A45xOC019906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5A45xkJ018790 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:06:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5A45rV5018788 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:05:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Portrait of a Moravian Woman-new to me Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:05:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <003301c32eed$fb4fbe60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <003301c32eed$fb4fbe60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306100005.52733.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5A45xOC019906 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 09 June 2003 09:16 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > How weird! It works for me. Are you getting the whole url? I have > tried pasting it as a hyperlink this time. Hopefully it won't break it > up. If all else fails go to www.metmuseum.org > search function and put in Pieter Pietersz > as the artist, or Moravian as a key word. > > http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11 > &item=24.80.529> &full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 Thanks. I found it via the search. Very nice. -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 04:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A8HkHP020463 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A8HDUw023139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A8H7Sp009810; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A8H4Sp009797 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-124-47.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.124.47]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h5A8H2ET007124 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030609231728.0525d5d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:18:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] preference question In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20030608014831.00e02a50@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I do something similar with my Elizabethan corset. I find it more >comfortable, because it keeps it tight exactly where it needs to be and I >can slack it off where I want it not quite as tight. It also allows me to >keep the space in the back even. Yes - that's why I do it. Otherwise I can't keep it the right size at the waist. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 11:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFBtHP005512 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFBCUw023580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFB7pm016608; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zinc (zinc.btinternet.com [194.73.73.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFB2pm016548 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-16-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.16.117] helo=dan) by zinc with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Pkm4-000072-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:11:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur lined pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather puzzling. The one attributed to 'H': http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg seems to show black fabric, but a different portrait at http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg seems to be a bright red. Can anyone enlighten me, please? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 11:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFRxHP005552 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:27:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFR9Uw025353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFR8pm027497; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zinc (zinc.btinternet.com [194.73.73.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFR5pm027454 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-16-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.16.117] helo=dan) by zinc with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Pl1c-0003Gd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:27:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c32f64$b7314380$751027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:26:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] OT crushed silk/viscose velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Crushed silk/viscose velvet is presumably such a recent phenomenon that it's OT for H-cost, but Denholme Velvet, which apparently supplied velvet for the LOTR movies, have some on line for an unbelievably cheap £5.95 a meter. http://secure.marchioness.co.uk/ Marchioness is a division of Denholme. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 11:45:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFjCHP005587 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:45:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFh8Uw027169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFh6pm008717; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFh4pm008696 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PlH4-0003K4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:43:03 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT crushed silk/viscose velvet Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c32f66$fab261f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <001301c32f64$b7314380$751027d9@dan> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm, I wonder if they sell it 'across the pond' yet? Do they sell it without crushing or patterns? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 11:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFocHP005599 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFnxUw027906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFnvpm013649; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5AFntpm013561 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkTjygUlJNDMgt/D8RWJsmBX7xgFB5JBNw==">; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:49:21 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2BVKSLW; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:49:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:31:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls Message-ID: <20030610.103105.-107428457.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,22-29,31-60 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Stevie, While I have no definitive answer for you, I think I may be able to shed some light on this issue. The answer is that they are both correct. Although they appear to be the same cloak, it could be that Sweet Sir Walter liked the design so much that he had two cloaks made with much the same pattern. Or it could be that he had one cloak that was either red or black but told the painter to change the color scheme to suite the rest of the outfit in the picture. Or it could be that the black and white portrait is the true picture and another artist used it as the basis for the red portrait but changed the color scheme to suit what he wanted the picture to look like. Or the cloak could be completely imaginary and never really existed at all. In Janet Arnold's book 'Historic Costume' she has reproductions of 3 portraits of Jane Seymour all of which seem to be the same dress, but which have very noticable differences in the design. Her conclusion was that they were all correct and usable as documentation because they were all period variations on the same style and there was no way to prove which one was the absolutely correct one. Since both versions of Raleigh's cloak were done in period, there is no way to prove which one is the correct one, so they must both be considered as equally valid as they both express the period aesthetic. If you want to reproduce a version of the cloak, go for it- and choose your color scheme to suit yourself. Karen On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:46 +0100 "Stevie Gamble" writes: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur > lined pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > puzzling. > > The one attributed to 'H': > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > > seems to show black fabric, > > but a different portrait at > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > seems to be a bright red. > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 12:43:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AGhdHP005699 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AGgwUw004602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AGgvln024616; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AGgsln024588 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bebf.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.191]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 74AD147FFBC for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:42:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:46:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] update again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello! I am not pleased with my speed of the dress. Oh it takes such a long time, i hoped to get it finished next week, but now i am not sure. Anyway, i could not find any trim like the dress from Kyoto has, so i baught some ivory silk organza, cut out strips, baught a 2 mm. seam folder, and now i have trimmed both sides of the skirt embroideries with it. Looks ok. Then i have almost spend the whole day, making that compere opening front of the dress with the ribbon embroideries. Tomorrow, my last off the job day this week, ill make the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/toille.htm I want to get this dress ready soon, sigh!!!!! Well some of the time today went with booking tickets for a holliday in Portugal. We will travel to Lisabon for 5 days, and Porto for 5 days in the last week of august! If i find a new wonderfull exhibition at Museu do Traje in Lisboa, like the fantastic regency exhibition last time i was there, i shall let you know! Sorry i have not had the time to catch up with the emails! Keep up the good work all!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 13:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHftHP005962 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:41:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHf1Uw012041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHevWX011109; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHeoWX011009 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-16-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.16.117] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Pn72-0002G0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c32f77$657cd780$751027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030610.103105.-107428457.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:40:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Karen wrote: > > While I have no definitive answer for you, I think I may be able to shed > some light on this issue. The answer is that they are both correct. > Although they appear to be the same cloak, it could be that Sweet Sir > Walter liked the design so much that he had two cloaks made with much the > same pattern. Or it could be that he had one cloak that was either red or > black but told the painter to change the color scheme to suite the rest > of the outfit in the picture. Or it could be that the black and white > portrait is the true picture and another artist used it as the basis for > the red portrait but changed the color scheme to suit what he wanted the > picture to look like. Or the cloak could be completely imaginary and > never really existed at all. In Janet Arnold's book 'Historic Costume' > she has reproductions of 3 portraits of Jane Seymour all of which seem to > be the same dress, but which have very noticable differences in the > design. Her conclusion was that they were all correct and usable as > documentation because they were all period variations on the same style > and there was no way to prove which one was the absolutely correct one. > Since both versions of Raleigh's cloak were done in period, there is no > way to prove which one is the correct one, so they must both be > considered as equally valid as they both express the period aesthetic. If > you want to reproduce a version of the cloak, go for it- and choose your > color scheme to suit yourself. > Thank you, that is most helpful! Though choosing colours is not one of my favourite activities, I possess a daughter who loves all things red, and since she has just finished this year's lot of horrendous exams, we are slowly re-emerging into the real world again. In our case, a shared love of the 16th century real world, of course... thanks again, Stevie > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:46 +0100 "Stevie Gamble" > writes: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur > > lined pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > > puzzling. > > > > The one attributed to 'H': > > > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > > > > > seems to show black fabric, > > > > but a different portrait at > > > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > > > seems to be a bright red. > > > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 13:44:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHiqHP006001 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:44:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHi5Uw012451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHi4WX013840; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHeoWX011000 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-16-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.16.117] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Pn71-0002G0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:40:47 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c32f77$65521e00$751027d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c32f66$fab261f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT crushed silk/viscose velvet Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:33:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sg wrote, re my note below > Hmmm, I wonder if they sell it 'across the pond' yet? Do they sell it > without crushing or patterns? > Well, I am simply going by their website, which notes that they do ship abroad, though shipping would presumably be much more expensive. Denholme does a huge range of velvets, but as far as I know at the moment the only ones going cheap are the ones I directed people to in my note. You can always enquire, but I would not rely on the stocks lasting very long, or getting prices like these on other products. The crushed velvet is the range sold in Liberty's which cost around £25 a meter, say $40 a yard. Hence my alerting the list... best wishes Stevie ---------------------- Crushed silk/viscose velvet is presumably such a recent phenomenon that it's OT for H-cost, but Denholme Velvet, which apparently supplied velvet for the LOTR movies, have some on line for an unbelievably cheap £5.95 a meter. http://secure.marchioness.co.uk/ Marchioness is a division of Denholme. > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 14:04:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AI4rHP006128 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHxMUw014794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AHxKkT025853; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lycos.com (www4.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.170]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5AHxIkT025792 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:58:59 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:58:59 -0400 From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.101.99 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:53:58 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Cc: >>http://ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/constancefairfax/Breughel.htm >Oy! The link that will not die. I wrote this >several years ago & can't get it to go away. Sorry about that. The link was a newer one on Drea's site, so I thought the article was more current than that. >I recently did a small article for an SCA >magazine - the copy of that article is at >http://home.uchicago.edu/~atterlep/costuming/breughel>babies2.htm Thanks for the new link! > >I have a few PDFs with drawings and snippets that I >could send to anyone who is interested. > Yes please! if you could, please send it to roblewis@asu.edu (my sweetie's account, he has a faster 'puter than me), >I don't agree with all of the author's conclusions >either (I could argue with myself all day), but I >have done more research/speculation/experimentation >& have come up with better rationalizations. > The newer article actually answered a lot of the questions I had about your reconstructions. -Katie --- Willow: No, Ma, hear this! I'm a rebel! I'm having a rebellion! Sheila: Willow, honey, you don't need to act out like this to prove your specialness. Willow: Mom, I'm not acting out. I'm a witch! I-I can make pencils float. And I can summon the four elements. Okay, two, but four soon. A-and I'm dating a musician.I worship Beelzebub. I do his biddings. Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them. Sheila:I'm not listening to this. Willow:Prince of Night, I summon you. Come fill me with your black, naughty evil. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 16:37:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AKbeHP006641 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:37:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AKauUw005023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AKarTn003953; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AKalTn003860 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-001scfairp0024.dialsprint.net ([63.184.192.24] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19PprJ-0004rF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:36:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:34:53 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings to all, I'm looking for a color version of this portrait http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Talbot.jpg Somehow I think I've seen one, perhaps in my own library, as I have this vague notion that the stomacher is gold under the pearls. Does anyone have a source, either online or in print? I checked the online catalog of the Fitzwilliam Museum, where the painting lives, but they don't have the image online. If no one has another idea, I'll contact them to ask, but I thought I'd check with the list first. Thanks! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 18:14:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMEtHP006953 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMEIUw017196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AME8Tr022825; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AME4Tr022779 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id h5AME4Y220367 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:14:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk - Do Not Bleach In-Reply-To: <0c8401c32ee5$baf03a00$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I washed out the wine with wool mix, and lo and behold, not only did the > wine come out (after a long soak!), but the silk was white again! We then, > of course, dipped the other tassel in wine too! Wonderful! I wonder if the tannin in the wine (acidic) reversed whatever reaction the bleach (basic) caused? It might be worth experimenting with vinegar to return silk to white. (I still wouldn't bleach silk to begin with, other than experimentally, though. You may be able to change the color back, but you can't rebuild what has been broken down.) Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 18:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMGFHP006963 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:16:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMFaUw017364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMFYTr023853; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.158]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMEfTr023127 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.87]) by mta04ps.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HGA000BGDREIZ@mta04ps.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:14:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.223.235 ([144.139.223.235]) by psmam07.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2g 119/10843515); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:13:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:12:58 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait To: Historical Costume Message-id: <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait > Greetings to all, > > I'm looking for a color version of this portrait > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Talbot.jpg > > Somehow I think I've seen one, perhaps in my own library, as I have this > vague notion that the stomacher is gold under the pearls. > I think it's in 'AVisual History of Costume in the 16th Century', but I wouldn't swear to it. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 18:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMHsHP006969 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMHNUw017523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMHLTr025096; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:17:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMHHTr024963 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.87]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HGADWM00.44K for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:17:10 +1000 Received: from 144.139.223.235 ([144.139.223.235]) by psmam07.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2g 119/10848363); 11 Jun 2003 08:17:06 Message-ID: <003301c3851b$0d3a94a0$ebdf8b90@clarke> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:16:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls > Hi all, > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur lined > pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > puzzling. > > The one attributed to 'H': > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > > seems to show black fabric, > > but a different portrait at > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > seems to be a bright red. > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? > Maybe it was one cloak but the black/red started to wear away so he had it replaced with red/black. Or maybe the fashion for colours changed (the black cloak portrait does look like a later style to me and red was popular earlier in ERs reign), so perhaps he really liked it and changed the fabric so he could still wear it and be trendy. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 20:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0JiHP007465 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0I2Uw000130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0Hvu1010811; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0Hru2010764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5B0I9kJ020269 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:18:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5B0I9Wj020267 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:18:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:18:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> In-Reply-To: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306102018.08780.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5B0Hru2010764 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 10 June 2003 11:10 am, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur lined > pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > puzzling. > > The one attributed to 'H': > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > > seems to show black fabric, > > but a different portrait at > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > seems to be a bright red. > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? Without seeing the original of either painting, it's hard to say. My best guess would be that the cape is actually a dark red, and the color values are off in different directions in the two portraits. (It does seem unlikely that Raleigh had, and was depicted in, two cloaks of different colors studded with pearls in the same pattern.) :-) -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 20:53:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0rhHP007520 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0rBUw003034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B0r9u1028790; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5B0r7u1028720 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWozOSZi1wqAuh7RmoVTZrs08C3H7FqnjqQ==">; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:52:12 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2CUMRXQ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:52:12 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20030610.204803.-236219.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 From: catpurson@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't do men's garb often and haven't even seriously though about Elizabethan men's garb. Now a friend's son wants to do Elizabethan and they have borrowed my Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. However, he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy pants but with very tall boots. Can anyone point me to a picture that fits that? Thanks Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 21:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1E4HP007574 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1DYUw004316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1DXEj008202; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1DVEj008154 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1f1.aa49c2f (4246) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.aa49c2f.2c17dc2f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:13:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/10/2003 9:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, catpurson@juno.com writes: > However, > he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy > pants but with very tall boots. Well, tall boots are in and trunk hose [poofy pants] are also in so I would think they were worn together. I can't think of a specific painting or other illustration with this combo though.[don't worry, somebody else will] I seem to recall a military-esque outfit or perhaps a hunting scene...... And a portrait of some magnate later than Elizabethan...Charles I? A Van Dyke? Of course that's not Elizabethan. Anyway.... A book you might look for in your local library is "The English Icon"...lots and lots of portraits...several full length. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 21:50:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1ojHP007673 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1oDUw006880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1oCEj025233; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1oAEj025215 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Pukb-0005VD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:50:09 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:50:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c32fbb$cbc5bef0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1f1.aa49c2f.2c17dc2f@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes I do believe I have seen that...just trying to remember where. It is of a man in a very tall hat (almost pilgrim like) sitting under a tree. I think he has Venetians on but they are poofy. I will try to hunt it down. Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com ~Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:13 PM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb ~ ~In a message dated 6/10/2003 9:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, ~catpurson@juno.com writes: ~ ~ ~> However, ~> he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy ~> pants but with very tall boots. ~ ~Well, tall boots are in and trunk hose [poofy pants] are also in so I would ~think they were worn together. ~ ~I can't think of a specific painting or other illustration with this combo ~though.[don't worry, somebody else will] I seem to recall a military-esque ~outfit or perhaps a hunting scene...... And a portrait of some magnate later than ~Elizabethan...Charles I? A Van Dyke? Of course that's not Elizabethan. ~ ~Anyway.... A book you might look for in your local library is "The English ~Icon"...lots and lots of portraits...several full length. ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 21:56:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1uRHP007683 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1tqUw007335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1tnjX027883; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1tljX027860 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-022scfairp0099.dialsprint.net ([65.179.32.99] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Puq2-0005Md-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE699C1.6070204@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:53:53 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: "Melanie Schuessler" >> >>I'm looking for a color version of this portrait >>http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Talbot.jpg Claire Clarke wrote: > > I think it's in 'AVisual History of Costume in the 16th Century', > but I wouldn't swear to it. It is, but it's in black and white. Thanks, though. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 21:57:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1vRHP007693 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:57:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1uuUw007426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1utjX028373; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B1urjX028357 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Pur3-0007K4-00; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:56:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:56:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32fbc$ba4420d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: Cayres1955@aol.com cc: "'Heather Heroldt'" Subject: [h-cost] Tunic Tales-another 'dress' diary X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All these dress diaries have inspired me to do one. I have really enjoyed reading all of yours. I have posted one on an 8th century tunic I am making for a friend. Now that I have written the diary, it sounds boring..maybe I a have just read it too many times. http://www.saragrace.net/5A_tunic_tales.html P.S. I have taken the rest of my site down for maintenance...so don't look for anything other than the links on the one page. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 10 22:09:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B29jHP007760 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B29GUw008424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B29FjX004320; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B27PjX003391 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-022scfairp0099.dialsprint.net ([65.179.32.99] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Pv1I-0007BH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:07:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE69C7C.6030108@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:05:32 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb References: <20030610.204803.-236219.3.catpurson@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO catpurson@juno.com wrote: > I don't do men's garb often and haven't even seriously though > about Elizabethan men's garb. Now a friend's son wants to do Elizabethan > and they have borrowed my Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. However, > he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy > pants but with very tall boots. Can anyone point me to a picture that > fits that? Thanks Well, it's the later version of poofy, but there's the Unknown Man by Isaac Oliver--he's fig. 140 in Visual History of Costume: the Sixteenth Century. He's sitting at the base of a tree and wearing trunk hose with matching canions and tight black boots that come up over his knees. I can't find it online, sorry, but if you can find a book about Elizabethan miniatures, it will be in there. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 00:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B49MHP008016 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:09:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B48qUw017928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B48oHx001715; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B48lHx001670 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a227.in-tch.com [66.62.107.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5B3o5j29638 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE6ABAD.A04D7D95@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:10:21 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb References: <000f01c32fbb$cbc5bef0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think I know that one. Isn't it by Isaac Oliver? --sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Yes I do believe I have seen that...just trying to remember where. It > is of a man in a very tall hat (almost pilgrim like) sitting under a > tree. I think he has Venetians on but they are poofy. I will try to > hunt it down. > > Sg > > ~-----Original Message----- > ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > ~Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com > ~Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:13 PM > ~To: h-costume@indra.com > ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb > ~ > ~In a message dated 6/10/2003 9:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ~catpurson@juno.com writes: > ~ > ~ > ~> However, > ~> he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy > ~> pants but with very tall boots. > ~ > ~Well, tall boots are in and trunk hose [poofy pants] are also in so I > would > ~think they were worn together. > ~ > ~I can't think of a specific painting or other illustration with this > combo > ~though.[don't worry, somebody else will] I seem to recall a > military-esque > ~outfit or perhaps a hunting scene...... And a portrait of some magnate > later than > ~Elizabethan...Charles I? A Van Dyke? Of course that's not Elizabethan. > ~ > ~Anyway.... A book you might look for in your local library is "The > English > ~Icon"...lots and lots of portraits...several full length. > ~_______________________________________________ > ~h-costume mailing list > ~h-costume@mail.indra.com > ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 00:09:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B49vHP008019 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:09:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B46ZUw017751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B46VHx000735; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B46THx000668 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a227.in-tch.com [66.62.107.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5B3llj28730 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EE6AB22.35E91E35@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:08:02 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls References: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not much for enlightening on this one, but I can always add to the confusion! I've always loved that cape (pearls rock!), but have never seen that second portrait. I'd being going "huh?", too. There are difference in the styles of clothing (other than the cape) that Raleigh's wearing...perhaps a time difference?, and the color in the portrait has been "updated" to be more stylish? Perhaps one painting is a sort of duplicate of the other?, in the way that some portraits were copied/recopied. The red could be an error or an artist's interpretation. --sue Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur lined > pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > puzzling. > > The one attributed to 'H': > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > seems to show black fabric, > > but a different portrait at > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > seems to be a bright red. > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > best wishes > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 00:30:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4UaHP008060 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4TwUw019648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4TtHx012226; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4TqHx012164 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-239-168.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.239.168])h5B4TebK009164 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:29:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030610211522.00d52c30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:16:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls In-Reply-To: <20030610.103105.-107428457.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And I have seen possibly as many as ten different versions of Elizabeth I in that big white dress in the Ditchley Portrait. >While I have no definitive answer for you, I think I may be able to shed >some light on this issue. The answer is that they are both correct. >Although they appear to be the same cloak, it could be that Sweet Sir >Walter liked the design so much that he had two cloaks made with much the >same pattern. Or it could be that he had one cloak that was either red or >black but told the painter to change the color scheme to suite the rest >of the outfit in the picture. Or it could be that the black and white >portrait is the true picture and another artist used it as the basis for >the red portrait but changed the color scheme to suit what he wanted the >picture to look like. Or the cloak could be completely imaginary and >never really existed at all. In Janet Arnold's book 'Historic Costume' >she has reproductions of 3 portraits of Jane Seymour all of which seem to >be the same dress, but which have very noticable differences in the >design. Her conclusion was that they were all correct and usable as >documentation because they were all period variations on the same style >and there was no way to prove which one was the absolutely correct one. >Since both versions of Raleigh's cloak were done in period, there is no >way to prove which one is the correct one, so they must both be >considered as equally valid as they both express the period aesthetic. If >you want to reproduce a version of the cloak, go for it- and choose your >color scheme to suit yourself. > >Karen > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:46 +0100 "Stevie Gamble" > writes: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur > > lined pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather > > puzzling. > > > > The one attributed to 'H': > > > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg > > > > > > seems to show black fabric, > > > > but a different portrait at > > > > http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg > > > > seems to be a bright red. > > > > Can anyone enlighten me, please? > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 00:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4UiHP008063 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4UFUw019687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4UFHx012423; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B4TrHx012183 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-239-168.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.239.168])h5B4TebM009164 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:29:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030610211816.05291890@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:18:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait In-Reply-To: <3EE699C1.6070204@faucet.net> References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>I'm looking for a color version of this portrait >>>http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Talbot.jpg > >Claire Clarke wrote: >> >>I think it's in 'AVisual History of Costume in the 16th Century', >>but I wouldn't swear to it. > >It is, but it's in black and white. It's in b/w in Digby's Elizabedthan Embroidery book too. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 04:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B80IHP022702 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B7wbUw003562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B7wZJa010186; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5B7wVJa010145 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h5B7wTp21024.; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:58:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:58:29 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:57:59 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat wrote: >>>I can't think of a specific painting or other illustration with this combo >though.[don't worry, somebody else will] I seem to recall a military-esque >outfit or perhaps a hunting scene...... And a portrait of some magnate later >than Elizabethan...Charles I? A Van Dyke? Of course that's not >Elizabethan. And the breeches of Van Dyck's time, although full, reach to below the knee, though if the boots are pulled right up over them they might look a bit like trunk-hose. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 06:31:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BAVtHP011452 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BATFUw012318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BATCql002884; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BAT6ql002764 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11218 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-156-88-137.asm.bellsouth.net [66.156.88.137]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA02564 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c33003$cf89b710$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030610.204803.-236219.3.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:25:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is one, but I know I have seen a better one where the boots go all the way up. I believe the thigh boots with the "pumpkin pants" was a Spanish style. I will look more when I return home this evening. http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/15xx_5.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb > I don't do men's garb often and haven't even seriously though > about Elizabethan men's garb. Now a friend's son wants to do Elizabethan > and they have borrowed my Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. However, > he insists he has seen Elizabethan men's clothing that have the poofy > pants but with very tall boots. Can anyone point me to a picture that > fits that? Thanks > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 07:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BB1XHP011529 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BAxsUw014351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BAxogw015166; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BAxkgw015053 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C4B19FD1A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:59:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:02:30 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I've updatet my partlet site http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html And I have a smal question. I would like to attach a ruff to the partlet but I am not sure aboud the lace. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet10.jpg I have two types of lace but I don't know wich one to use. The problem I have is that the fabrick is off white and the lace is white. I only have a few day's to finish the partlet. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 07:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BBtHHP011732 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BBpaUw018249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BBpYgw007462; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BBpVgw007388 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.bd.33246f5c (4552) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:51:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/11/2003 6:00:38 AM Central Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > I've updatet my partlet site > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > Wow, that's so pretty! Damn, you're good. > And I have a smal question. > I would like to attach a ruff to the partlet but I am not sure aboud the > lace. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet10.jpg > I have two types of lace but I don't know wich one to use. > The problem I have is that the fabrick is off white and the lace is white. > I only have a few day's to finish the partlet. > You could stick the lace in a pantyhose leg and run it through a small load with a tiny bit of ecru dye, like a tablespoon or less. Just to take the optic off your white. -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 09:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDKlHP011906 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDJ5Uw024217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDJ3sD016767; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5BDIxsD016642 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrN6y/k5DH42ziielfUnmFh4MD4LfM+COQ==">; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:18:34 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2D7CE27; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:18:34 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:47:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question Message-ID: <20030611.074716.-252266617.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-10 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your partlet is going to be amazing when it's done! It's pretty amazing looking now! As for the lace, I think that the wider lace would be better just because there will be so much pattern in the body of the partlet that the narrower lace would just fade away. I think that the idea of running the lace thru a mild dye bath just to take the 'edge' off of the whiteness will probably be enough. I'm sure that, in period, everything didn't match absolutely perfectly. I can't wait to see you wearing the finished piece! Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 09:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDp5HP012242 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDnRUw026991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDnQsD002616; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDnMsD002597 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-034scfairp0207.dialsprint.net ([168.192.88.207] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q5yb-0000VO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:47:28 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I've updatet my partlet site > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html Looks fabulous! > And I have a smal question. > I would like to attach a ruff to the partlet but I am not sure aboud the > lace. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet10.jpg > I have two types of lace but I don't know wich one to use. Will you be starching the ruff? If you use the wider lace, I would set it back from the edge of the ruff fabric so that only a little of it sticks off the edge. As in this picture: http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partletdetail.jpg Most examples of this kind of partlet have a very narrow ruff, and the big laces (with the whole width of the lace suspended by starch on the edge of the ruff) weren't really popular until later. Can't wait to see it! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 09:52:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDqwHP012246 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:52:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDpGUw027143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDpGsD003488; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BDpDsD003454 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-034scfairp0207.dialsprint.net ([168.192.88.207] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q60O-0002nL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE7416F.4030400@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:49:19 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking color version of Talbot portrait References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <4.3.1.2.20030610211816.05291890@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >>>> I'm looking for a color version of this portrait >>>> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Talbot.jpg Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > It's in b/w in Digby's Elizabedthan Embroidery book too. Yes, that's where I first found it. I need a color version. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:13:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEDXHP012291 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BECtUw029000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BECrPq014806; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blackmagic (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BECnPq014707 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blackmagic (blackmagic [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027924C33D for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrea Gideon To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:10:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306111010.17803.andrea@gideonfamily.org> Subject: [h-cost] ISO mid 1600's pics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for picutres of middle class women in England from about 1640-1655. I have found lots of wealthy women but not middle class or working women. Thanks! Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:19:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEJ7HP012300 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEIXUw029776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEIWPq018167; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEITPq018096 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10EC19FDAC for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:18:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:21:10 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Looks fabulous! Thanks!! > > > Will you be starching the ruff? If you use the wider lace, I would > set it back from the edge of the ruff fabric so that only a little of > it sticks off the edge. As in this picture: > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partletdetail.jpg > Most examples of this kind of partlet have a very narrow ruff, and the > big laces (with the whole width of the lace suspended by starch on the > edge of the ruff) weren't really popular until later. If I use a strip of linnen folded in half and sew the small lace on the folded edge would that be better? I don't want to starch the ruff. I tried the spray starch but I am allergic to it. To keep the collar standing I will put small metal wire trough the pearls. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BERbHP012320 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEP5Uw000486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEP3Pq022041; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEP0Pq021998 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-034scfairp0207.dialsprint.net ([168.192.88.207] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q6X5-00077f-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE74959.4070506@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:23:05 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ISO mid 1600's pics References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <200306111010.17803.andrea@gideonfamily.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Andrea Gideon wrote: > I'm looking for picutres of middle class women in England from about > 1640-1655. I have found lots of wealthy women but not middle class or > working women. Thanks! Upon a quick survey, I can't find anything for England. If France is close enough, check out Louis Le Nain. Though most of his people look high-class, Georges de La Tour has at least one lower class person as well (in his Hurdy-Gurdy Player). It's a little earlier than you want, though. Of course there's TONS of stuff from the Netherlands, but that's probably too far afield. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:30:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEUbHP012347 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEU5Uw000976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEU4Pq025648; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEU1Pq025622 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-034scfairp0207.dialsprint.net ([168.192.88.207] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q6bw-00065a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE74A86.3080705@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:28:06 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > If I use a strip of linnen folded in half and sew the small lace on the > folded edge would that be better? I think either lace would be fine as long as you only have a little bit hanging off the edge. > I don't want to starch the ruff. I tried the spray starch but I am > allergic to it. I understand if you don't want to starch it, but you don't have to use spray starch. There are instructions here http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/ruff.html for starching--obviously, I'm a fan of it! > To keep the collar standing I will put small metal wire trough the pearls. Which pearls? I'm not sure I understand--will there be pearls on the ruff as well? Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEWNHP012360 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEVkUw001171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEVjPq026599; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEVgPq026553 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com [192.168.0.250] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AD4D2031E; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:41 -0500 Received: From 74w0d01 ([65.45.18.250]) by web.antekhou.com (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1055341900319; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00d501c33022$4137c0a0$0764a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:03:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've recently had good results with using cartridge pleats sewn to the collar at the mid point for a ruff that stands straight out from the neck. I've done it in a light weight but pretty crisp silk and also with a heavier linen. Neither one has been starched. Cyn > If I use a strip of linnen folded in half and sew the small lace on the > folded edge would that be better? > I don't want to starch the ruff. I tried the spray starch but I am > allergic to it. > To keep the collar standing I will put small metal wire trough the pearls. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEdKHP012378 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEcnUw002055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEcmPq001154; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEcjPq001126 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f3a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.58]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C026E262C10 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:38:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c33027$28623b50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:38:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] middle class Elizabethan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Sarra Wryght. I am very sorry that i am much two late with this, but i went to your site: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/midclass.html And i enjoyed to watch your middle class dress very mutch. You did a fantastic job here! congratulations Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 10:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEhCHP012393 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEgiUw002466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEghPq003371; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEgePq003334 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f3a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.58]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4152F2629BC for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c33027$b556faa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:42:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] burgundian orange dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Michaela. I also must apologise for my late sneaking wiew on your orange burgundian dress. I love the way you have made your website, very nice! Interresting to see such old fashions, very nice! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 11:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BF43HP012466 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BF3YUw005376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BF3TKx017547; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BF3NKx017349 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C101119FF6D for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE7455C.1060705@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:06:04 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74A86.3080705@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > > To keep the collar standing I will put small metal wire trough the > pearls. > > Which pearls? I'm not sure I understand--will there be pearls on the > ruff as well? I mean the pearls on the neck part of the collar. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/isabeldevaloisd.jpg The pearls and fake jewels are so heavy that without the support of metal wire it would just collapse. I don't think starch will be strong enough and I am not sure what it will do to the puffy silk bits. Greetings, Deredere > > > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 11:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BFGoHP012493 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:16:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BFGHUw006835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BFGFKx025883; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BFGCKx025853 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q7KZ-0006KX-00; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:16:07 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c3302c$62fbf6c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: "'Heather Heroldt'" Subject: [h-cost] Is the Internet slow today for you? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is the Internet a dog for everyone else this morning? I am getting a lot of 'server cannot be found' messages. I have high-speed wireless and I feel like I am on dial-up from 10 years ago. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 12:07:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BG7cHP012639 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEiuUw002760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEisPq004628; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BEipPq004584 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f3a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.58]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 56F36262990 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c33028$038fb2c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:44:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace! Very very nice work you have done here: http://www.saragrace.net/5A_tunic_tales.html That is a wonderfull ribbon you got there, it fits perfect for a tunic. Love your diary! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 12:20:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGKAHP012664 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGJbUw014338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGJZnq011294; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5BGJUnq011157 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtocjgvVRe1V18oa0wBDito6c8J1VdSviw==">; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:18:56 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2EHNN5G; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:18:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men's garb Message-ID: <20030611.120305.-259565.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the help. If anyone comes up with any other pictures, I would really appreciate it. This guy wants to do something absolutely period so he can enter it in a competition. He has done several outfits from the 17th century and they are great so I know he can do it. Actually, he designs the garb and his grandmother sews it. They are quite a team! Thanks again. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 12:32:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGWsHP012701 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGViUw016062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGVhnq020516; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5BGVdnq020463 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31993 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 16:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.inreach.com) (209.142.2.50) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 16:31:38 -0000 Received: from 162.119.64.111 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33665.162.119.64.111.1055349098.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tunic Tales-another 'dress' diary From: To: In-Reply-To: <3EE699C1.6070204@faucet.net> References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <3EE699C1.6070204@faucet.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > All these dress diaries have inspired me to do one. I have really > enjoyed reading all of yours. I have posted one on an 8th century tunic > I am making for a friend. Now that I have written the diary, it sounds > boring..maybe I a have just read it too many times. Saragrace, The design is nice. How much was the trim? It is beautiful! And I agree that your linen color brings out the trim very nicely :~> I am wondering if you chose the piping because of the look it creates or because it is period for that time. I honestly don't know when piping came into use. I know that it gives a very nice, finished look but I didn't think that it was used before the Renaissance. Thanks for sharing your "diary"! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 12:44:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGitHP012732 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGiGUw017564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGi9nq029545; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BGhxnq029400 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-001scfairp0171.dialsprint.net ([63.184.192.171] helo=faucet.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q8ha-0003U9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3EE769EB.4030600@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:42:03 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74A86.3080705@faucet.net> <3EE7455C.1060705@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> > > I mean the pearls on the neck part of the collar. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/isabeldevaloisd.jpg > The pearls and fake jewels are so heavy that without the support of > metal wire it would just collapse. > I don't think starch will be strong enough and I am not sure what it > will do to the puffy silk bits. Ahh. Well if I were doing it, I would underline the collar with something stiff (perhaps a linen canvas?) to hold it all up. Wire may also work, though sometimes a network of wire can go in directions you didn't intend, and you have to be careful where you put the ends. The starch doesn't go on the collar--just on the ruff. Good luck, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 13:54:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHsuHP012926 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:54:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHrSUw025958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHrN5L024827; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHrG5L024749 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-6-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.6.14] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Q9mc-0001IV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:53:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c33042$4dfce520$0e0627d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net><3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74A86.3080705@faucet.net> <3EE7455C.1060705@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:53:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere wrote: > > > To keep the collar standing I will put small metal wire trough the > > pearls on the neck part of the collar. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/isabeldevaloisd.jpg > The pearls and fake jewels are so heavy that without the support of > metal wire it would just collapse. It does depend on what metal you choose. You might like to consider using a good quality stainless steel wire, rather than say gold or silver plate over a copper core. It's tougher, and seems to discolour less than copper based alternatives. And you do gain something on the weight side since you can use narrower wire. But whatever choice you make I'm sure that you will be lovely! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 14:02:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BI2OHP012955 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHxgUw026582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHxgfH029552; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BHw0fH028428 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Q9rD-0005YD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:57:59 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tunic Tales-another 'dress' diary Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:57:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <33665.162.119.64.111.1055349098.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~The design is nice. How much was the trim? [Sg:] It is ~ $20/yard and comes in several different combinations of color. ~I am wondering if you chose the piping because of the look it creates or ~because it is period for that time. [Sg:] I chose the piping mostly because I wanted to add something to the garment which would make it more interesting for me to make-I get bored very easily! But also just for the look. I haven't done much research into the textiles of the time. I don't know when it came into use either. Glad you all enjoyed it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 14:45:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BIjRHP013065 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BIhbUw001684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BIhZ28002046; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BIhV28001999 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe9.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.233]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B164262A8A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:43:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] update of partlet , wired collar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Deredere, If i were you, absolutely wonderfull work you have done here, outstanding beautifull!, i would use that plastic boning, called wedding bone. You can get some wich is only 3 mm. wide, and you just cut it with a scissor, because it is soft. Then make some small bone casings in the linning collar, this would do the job very nicely, and you dont have to be afraid of cutting yourself with the ends! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 15:09:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJ9OHP013135 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJ8WUw004373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJ8UpQ020518; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJ8SpQ020422 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54B81A0058 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:08:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:11:12 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , wired collar References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is a brilliant idea!! I still have some of that stuf laying around somewere :-) . Thanks, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Dear Deredere, >If i were you, absolutely wonderfull work you have done here, outstanding >beautifull!, i would use that plastic boning, called wedding bone. You can >get some wich is only 3 mm. wide, and you just cut it with a scissor, >because it is soft. Then make some small bone casings in the linning collar, >this would do the job very nicely, and you dont have to be afraid of cutting >yourself with the ends! > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 15:29:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJT7HP013168 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:29:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJRsUw006571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJRrpQ005399; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJRnpQ005299 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9613B19FBC2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:30:33 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , Weight References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ieek! Only the collar piece weights aboud 80 gram!! And it is not even lined! http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet11.jpg I don't know heavy an original partlet would be, All those jewels with small stones and pearls. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 15:40:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJeZHP013200 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJcmUw007815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJcjpQ014158; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BJcZpQ014011 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe9.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.233]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A3C447FF21 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c33051$14bdc090$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , Weight Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:38:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, dont despair, use many bones, one for each pattern repeat, this should keep it up! I am sure it will! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , Weight > Ieek! > > Only the collar piece weights aboud 80 gram!! > And it is not even lined! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet11.jpg > I don't know heavy an original partlet would be, All those jewels with > small stones and pearls. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 16:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKbpHP013382 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKbJUw014818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKbCG7026861; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKb9G7026783 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.12a.2be52ecd (4116) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.2be52ecd.2c18ece7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:36:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , wired collar To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/11/2003 2:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > If i were you, absolutely wonderfull work you have done here, outstanding > beautifull!, i would use that plastic boning, called wedding bone. There's also fishing line. I mean it comes in very heavy gauges and can be used to almost invisibly support something that's not too heavy. They used it a lot on a show I worked in the 18th century millinery....making lace stand and such. I lost the address to your site. Could you re-post it. Thanx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 16:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKw1HP013455 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKvOUw017309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKvFHN011870; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BKvAHN011666 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AC1BEBCE for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:57:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EE79849.5040805@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:59:53 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , wired collar References: <12a.2be52ecd.2c18ece7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >There's also fishing line. I mean it comes in very heavy gauges and can be >used to almost invisibly support something that's not too heavy. They used it a >lot on a show I worked in the 18th century millinery....making lace stand and >such. > > I think this will be much too heavy for fishing line. I think I will use the plastic boning. and the sew in boning or what ever you call it. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partletboning.jpg >I lost the address to your site. Could you re-post it. Thanx > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 18:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMRuHP013822 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:27:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMQiUw027362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMQet1018160; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMQbt1018114 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGC007WI90AQ1@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:14:24 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update partlet & lace question In-reply-to: <3EE7455C.1060705@kabelfoon.nl> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030611150409.00af7f58@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <3EE70C46.3060604@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74100.8090508@faucet.net> <3EE73AD6.9000906@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE74A86.3080705@faucet.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:06 PM 6/11/2003 +0200, you wrote: >I mean the pearls on the neck part of the collar. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/isabeldevaloisd.jpg >The pearls and fake jewels are so heavy that without the support of metal >wire it would just collapse. >I don't think starch will be strong enough and I am not sure what it will >do to the puffy silk bits. > >Greetings, > Deredere I love the progress you are making with this partlet. It is fantastic! May I suggest underlining the collar of the partlet with an interfacing, such as a tailor's goathair/wool interfacing, and hand padstitching the area. I just learned this technique and used it on a doublet collar, and it helped it to stand up and away from the neck rather nicely. The lining hides all the stitches inside, and the small stitches on the outside should be hidden by the pouffy material. However, the doublet didn't have the weight of the pearls and jewels added on. Maybe padstitching along with some boning might work well together. And my suggestion on the lace is the larger version. To me, this is a bold partlet and the larger lace seems to support the boldness of it all. The smaller lace might be lost in the whole thing. Just a couple of thoughts. I can't wait to see how this all turns out! Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 23:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C32EHP014520 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C30RUw019505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:00:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C30PIH012291; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster1.mebtel.net [64.40.67.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C30JIH012247 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-69.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.69]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594FF1F8B4 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EE7FB6F.6090008@grics.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:02:55 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] (Way OT Sorry!) Why can't my puter find this??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sure I have looked at Deredere's partlet before! Am i doing something really dumb? Edwinna Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Ieek! > > Only the collar piece weights aboud 80 gram!! > And it is not even lined! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet11.jpg > I don't know heavy an original partlet would be, All those jewels with > small stones and pearls. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 23:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3rdHP014832 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3r8Uw023314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3r3IH007405; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.156]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5C3r0IH007361 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12904 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 03:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.47) by smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 03:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3EE7F946.2060408@inetone.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:53:42 -0400 From: Dhannti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Way OT Sorry!) Why can't my puter find this??? References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE7FB6F.6090008@grics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO H. Law wrote: > I am sure I have looked at Deredere's partlet before! Am i doing > something really dumb? > > Edwinna Don't feel bad, I can't see it either. I am told server is not found. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 11 23:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3xuHP014873 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3wLUw023627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3wK1h009973; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster1.mebtel.net [64.40.67.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C3wG1h009942 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-69.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.69]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418B81F8D4 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EE80904.8000605@grics.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:00:52 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000501c3302c$62fbf6c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000501c3302c$62fbf6c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] (OT) re Is the Internet slow today for you? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YES!! It's almost "tomorrow" right now and i had trouble all evening (didn't see your post til now.) It seems to have improved now Heather L Saragrace Knauf wrote: >Is the Internet a dog for everyone else this morning? I am getting a >lot of 'server cannot be found' messages. I have high-speed wireless >and I feel like I am on dial-up from 10 years ago. > >Sg > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 00:10:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4AXHP014940 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4A3Uw024489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4A21h015830; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster1.mebtel.net [64.40.67.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4A01h015814 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-69.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.69]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94EA1F98A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EE80BC1.4080102@grics.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:12:33 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003101c33049$60ce1410$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE77ED0.2070200@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE78359.6000504@kabelfoon.nl> <3EE7FB6F.6090008@grics.net> <3EE7F946.2060408@inetone.net> In-Reply-To: <3EE7F946.2060408@inetone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Thanks (was Way OT Sorry!) Why can't my puter find this??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Guess we can add "lag" to that list with death and taxes on it... Heather L "Edwinna" on guess which list :-P Dhannti wrote: > H. Law wrote: > >> I am sure I have looked at Deredere's partlet before! Am i doing >> something really dumb? >> >> Edwinna > > Don't feel bad, I can't see it either. I am told server is not found. > > Di > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 00:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4rhHP015068 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4rFUw027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4rE1h005068; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.mn.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4rC1h005049 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail2.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235551.033da0c0@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:56:46 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:39 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Congratulations! > >Check out: >http://ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/constancefairfax/Breughel.htm > >if the link dosen't work go to Drea's site www.costume.dm.net and click on >Breughel's Babies. > >This won't be much help for dressing a newborn, but is very useful for >when the kid is a few months old. I'm using this article as a jumping off >point for the research on the clothes I'm making for my son Thomas(5 weeks >yesterday!) to wear this fall when he starts going to events. > >I'm not sure I agree with all of the author's conclusions regarding the >layers, but I need to do more research and find better reproductions of >the paintings. > >-Katie Thanks, I already had Constance's stuff in mind. : ) However, my brother and his wife aren't in to any sort of reenactment so I will have to tone it down a bit. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 00:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4vuHP015097 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4uEUw027296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4uEA1006598; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.mn.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4rC1h005048 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail2.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235504.033d8cc0@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:55:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm now an aunt! Help -- clothes suggestions? In-Reply-To: <008901c32e72$9e44bc00$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030608220957.02f18a80@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:33 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Congratulations! (And a sympathetic "Ouch!" to the mother, that's a BIG >baby!) > >Cynthia Virtue made some adorable tunics and hoods for her twins. You might >want to check her page for pictures. > >Dianne Thanks! I remember those pictures - great idea. I will look into that. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 01:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C55VHP015141 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4xnUw027524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4xmA1008108; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4-7.mebtel.net [64.40.67.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C4xiA1008082 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-69.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.69]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8F83B92B for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EE8175D.3030602@grics.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:02:05 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tunic Tales-another 'dress' diary References: <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yum those colors! (on my screen, a reddish tone to the dusty plum and a sorta warm tone to all of it) I *want* that trim (right, yeah) Where did you get it? Looking forward to the finished product pix H L Saragrace Knauf wrote: >~The design is nice. How much was the trim? >[Sg:] It is ~ $20/yard and comes in several different combinations of >color. > >~I am wondering if you chose the piping because of the look it creates >or >~because it is period for that time. > >[Sg:] I chose the piping mostly because I wanted to add something to the >garment which would make it more interesting for me to make-I get bored >very easily! But also just for the look. I haven't done much research >into the textiles of the time. I don't know when it came into use >either. > >Glad you all enjoyed it! > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 01:13:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C5DNHP015156 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:13:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C5AZUw028212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C5AYA1013095; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail4.mn.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C5ATA1013042 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail4.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235225.032dc220@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:12:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <3EE699C1.6070204@faucet.net> References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I've recently become interested in a particular style of gown (the extant one I've seen is dated to the 1780s). Ribiero only refers to it as a "Robe a la Anglais" (excuse the missing accents) however that seems to be a broad category of gowns from the 18th century. Does anyone know of a more specific term for the gowns that have the inverted-v opening in the front? The closest portrait I've found so far is: http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1790_3.shtml or http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1790_2.shtml but they aren't quite right since the style of gown I'm thinking of has a well fitted bodice just open most of the front. You get a better idea here - http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/fragonar/p-fragona4.htm The bodice back seems to be usually cut en fourrere (sp?). Does anyon know for sure? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 03:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C7kQHP022557 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C7jrUw008181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C7jlc6019187; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4.mebtel.net [64.40.67.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C7jhc6019157 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCB22857A for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EE83E55.3080506@grics.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:48:21 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Moravian Woman-new to me References: <001401c32ec1$d92aea20$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <200306092025.48486.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200306092025.48486.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The link is split about halfway thru the line by yahoo. It should go all the way across your whole screen. If this one (right below) gets split too maybe someone could email it to you? (The enlargement's a pretty small pic http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11&full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 HL Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Monday 09 June 2003 04:00 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > >>http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11 >>>&item=24%2E80%2E529> &full=1&mark=0&item=24%2E80%2E529 >> >>This portrait was new to me and thought you all might enjoy it. >> >> > > >I'm confused. Neither link identifies itself as being of a Moravian Woman. >One is titled "The Epiphany" (Picture to match) and one is titled "Madonna >and Child" (Picture to match) > >I do not see a portrait, let alone one of a Moravian female. :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 09:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CDZBHP018950 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:35:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CDXKUw028653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CDXI34008480; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CDXE34008367 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1c4.af302a3 (4246) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.af302a3.2c19db0c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of partlet , wired collar To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/11/2003 5:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > think this will be much too heavy for fishing line. I knew you were gonna say that. But you [like me before I saw it] would not believe how sturdy those really high tess lines are. Anyway....the boning will be practically the same thing. Looks fantastic, BTW!...your parlet that is. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 10:39:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEd3HP019116 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEbCUw004406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEb8vI016138; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEb4vI016078 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) JAA20498 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:37:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c330f0$4b512800$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235225.032dc220@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:38:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Robe de l'anglais, I believe, actually refers more to the cut of the gown in back, which is fitted with the usual curved seams in the back, to a pleated skirt, rather than the Robe de la francaise(also known to us as a "Watteau gown" after the French painter who depicted many females in his works in gowns of this style)that has loose, generous pleats from the shoulders to hem. The RDLF is a decendant of the late 17c century, mantua, which started as more casual wear, influenced loosely by Asian clothing, and was fitted by pleating front and back to the wearer. The mantua eventually evolved into more formal wear,(the manteau) and since women could make it easily as it didn't require the physical strength to sew through fabric, lining(s), boning, or infringe on male tailors, women were permitted to become dressmakers or mantua-makers, after this gown.(Men made "pairs of bodies, or stays--forerunners of the corset during this time--although I suspect these were just the heavy-duty foundations for those that could afford for others to make their clothing). The term persisted identifying a female dressmaker, long after the mantua passed out of wear. See Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" Vol. 1 and "Revolution in Fashion" for scaled patterns of the Robe de l'anglais. Arnold's work also has patterns for a mantua and at least one Robe de la francaise. This info is just off the top of my head, so anyone jump in with more info or corrections. Cindy Abel Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 10:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEq7HP019133 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEoKUw005611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEoJvI024351; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CEoFvI024275 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.179]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 21838262A5E for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003b01c330f2$074f4400$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235225.032dc220@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Danielle. So, you like this style two? This is just the same opening i am making to my robe francaise. So if you are cofused? Dont be. This inverted V closing got very fashionable from about 1780 to 1795. It could be used for both a robe francaise, as i am making, and the anglaise style. The francaise, as you know has those pleats that falls from the back neck. Anglaise dress has a fitted bodice with bones in the back seams. It goes down in a deep point in the back. Both dresses has open overskirts, and a matching underskirt. The inverted V front is usually called a compere, it is sewed to the bodice in one side, and pinned in the other side. If you are interrested in this style, there is an Arnold pattern you can use in the small Kyoto book. There is not any picture of it in the small book, wich is odd, when they have the pattern there, but if you have the big Kyoto book, there is a lovely picture of it, it is cream collored dated to 1780-90 i think. Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > Greetings, > > I've recently become interested in a particular style of gown (the extant > one I've seen is dated to the 1780s). Ribiero only refers to it as a "Robe > a la Anglais" (excuse the missing accents) however that seems to be a broad > category of gowns from the 18th century. Does anyone know of a more > specific term for the gowns that have the inverted-v opening in the > front? The closest portrait I've found so far is: > http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1790_3.shtml or > http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/pics/1790_2.shtml but they aren't quite > right since the style of gown I'm thinking of has a well fitted bodice just > open most of the front. You get a better idea here - > http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/fragonar/p-fragona4.htm The bodice back seems to be > usually cut en fourrere (sp?). Does anyon know for sure? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:10:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFAKHP019187 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:10:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CF6SUw007180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CF6Qaq006727; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CF6Laq006548 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.49.2f7e5900 (4246) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <49.2f7e5900.2c19f0de@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:06:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:38:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, brujne@creighton.edu writes: > The Robe de l'anglais, I believe, actually refers more to the cut of the > gown in back, which is fitted with the usual curved seams in the back, to a > pleated skirt, This is true...though the curved back "seams" are usually pleats sewn down to the lining. The style starts by sewing down the free pleats of the Robe de la Francaise [And I HATE the term "Watteau gown". It's just not accurate. Watteau also painted fantasies....with comedia del art influences.] The cut away overdresses, like in the paintings that the links took me to, often have backs of stitched down pleats. Their waists start to rise and these overdresses are still seen with the Empire silhouette. There's an outrageously pleated sample in "Fashion in Detail". The 1780s is a period of transition. I'd venture a guess that the term Robe de L'anglais at this time is more to distinguish it from other emerging forms like the "Round Gown" and "Chemise Gown". The blue underdress in one painting looks just like a Chemise Gown. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFL2HP019206 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFJ0Uw008620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFIuaq015302; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFInaq015182 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h5CFImp04123.; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:18:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:18:48 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:18:31 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cindy Abel wrote: >>> The Robe de l'anglais, I believe, actually refers more to the cut of the >gown in back, which is fitted with the usual curved seams in the back, to a >pleated skirt, rather than the Robe de la francaise(also known to us as a >"Watteau gown" >This info is just off the top of my head, so anyone jump in with more info >or corrections. It's "robe a l'anglaise" and "a la francaise" (meaning "in the English/French style"). Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:25:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFPkHP019218 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFNtUw009204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFNsaq018844; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFNTaq018470 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h5CFNTp04510.; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:23:29 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:22:59 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Temporarily unsubscribing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm shortly off to the Orkney Islands for 10 days so I 'm unsubscribing so as not to be swamped with messages when I get back. Will talk to you all soon. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFQwHP019229 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFPBUw009325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFP9aq019616; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFP2aq019530 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.179]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 02FC4262BF7 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:25:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c330f6$e5ba0f50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <49.2f7e5900.2c19f0de@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:25:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Albertcat. A robe a l'anglaise has not stitched down pleats in the back! Usually some polonaise dresses has stitched down pleats in the back. I think you perhaps refered to Waughs Robe a langlaise early 1790ies, but i would not call that dress a langlaise, it looks more like a pierrot jacket with skirt. A "normal" anglaise dress has 5 seams in the bodice, and they usually all are boned, no pleats! It is very difficult to make those terminations, there are so many styles used in 18th century, but i insist, it has not pleats in the bodice! :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:38:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > brujne@creighton.edu writes: > > > > The Robe de l'anglais, I believe, actually refers more to the cut of the > > gown in back, which is fitted with the usual curved seams in the back, to a > > pleated skirt, > > This is true...though the curved back "seams" are usually pleats sewn down to > the lining. The style starts by sewing down the free pleats of the Robe de la > Francaise [And I HATE the term "Watteau gown". It's just not accurate. > Watteau also painted fantasies....with comedia del art influences.] The cut away > overdresses, like in the paintings that the links took me to, often have backs of > stitched down pleats. Their waists start to rise and these overdresses are > still seen with the Empire silhouette. There's an outrageously pleated sample in > "Fashion in Detail". > > The 1780s is a period of transition. I'd venture a guess that the term Robe > de L'anglais at this time is more to distinguish it from other emerging forms > like the "Round Gown" and "Chemise Gown". The blue underdress in one painting > looks just like a Chemise Gown. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 11:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFWeHP019251 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:32:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFUoUw009986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFUmaq023690; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CFUiaq023630 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.179]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B793262B9C for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:30:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c330f7$b2590660$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:31:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] 1780 terminology question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again. And it is difficult to determin different gowns. In Arnolds book, there are 2 gowns called an open gown with matching petticoat, wich i would call robe anglaise two. And if you use a polonaise without pulling up the overskirt into the 3 loops, and have the skirt fall down, it could go for an anglaise gown two! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 13:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHQpHP019544 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHNbUw023000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHNVQt021215; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHNQQt021119 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1c6.b10a219 (4459) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.b10a219.2c1a1105@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:23:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] "Costume Connections" patterns (and others) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a couple of costuming pattern questions to ask, so please bear with me. These are in relation to medieval costumes- specifically the bliaut and "corsage" (as Herbert Norris calls it in Medieval Costume and Fashion), and the kirtle and sideless surcoat/surcote. I'm rather determined to make myself a kirtle and sideless surcote, and the bliaut and corsage are actually for Eowyn's "Shield Maiden" gown in LOTR. I was looking at the illustrations in MC&F, and the bliaut/corsage combination looked eerily similar to the LOTR gown! So. Now for my actual questions. First, Costume Connections sells a 14th century sideless surcoat and undergown pattern. Has anyone used this before? How accurate/easy to deal with is it? I can handle making some historical alterations, but I want something that's vaguely historical- if I need to do enough that it's easier to just draft my own and pray, I'd rather not waste the money. Rocking Horse sells a kirtle pattern that I'm told is good- any opinions? Lastly, does anyone know of a company that sells a decent bliaut pattern? For this particular costume, I've been given the suggestions of Mccall's 3372 and Simplicity's 9891, but I wanted to know if anyone had "historical" suggestions. I don't care about the "corsage" (which is, in the movie, an underbust corset-type garment on top of a stretchy vest) overmuch; I'll likely end up drafting the bottom half myself. There's no bust involved, so how hard can it be? Christine User of famous last words used by costumers before the hair starts being pulled out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 13:51:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHp9HP019639 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHmGUw025781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHmEQt009585; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHmBQt009553 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19QWBH-000KHc-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:16:28 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ralegh and pearls References: <000701c32f62$78a3b140$751027d9@dan> <3EE6AB22.35E91E35@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3EE6AB22.35E91E35@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's important to check that both portraits are actually painted within the period you're portraying. Portraits were very much copied, and a later painter may (deliberately or not) reinterpret some details in the style of his own time. There's one of a woman, I can't remember the details, but the original is early Tudor, Henry VIII style, and the copy is late Elizabethan and the painter has lengthened the stomacher, so it looks right to him but it looks weird compared to the original. Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >I'm not much for enlightening on this one, but I can always add to the >confusion! >I've always loved that cape (pearls rock!), but have never seen that >second portrait. I'd being going "huh?", too. >There are difference in the styles of clothing (other than the cape) >that Raleigh's wearing...perhaps a time difference?, and the color in >the portrait has been "updated" to be more stylish? >Perhaps one painting is a sort of duplicate of the other?, in the way >that some portraits were copied/recopied. The red could be an error or >an artist's interpretation. >--sue > > >Stevie Gamble wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been trying to sort out the details on Walter Ralegh's fur lined >> pearl-strewn short cape, but the various portraits are rather >> puzzling. >> >> The one attributed to 'H': >> >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Walter%20Ralegh%20B.jpg >> >> seems to show black fabric, >> >> but a different portrait at >> >> http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/raleghport.jpg >> >> seems to be a bright red. >> >> Can anyone enlighten me, please? >> >> best wishes >> Stevie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 14:36:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIagHP019751 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:36:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIYqUw001560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIYnRZ015841; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIYkRZ015722 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.116.248f7544 (16633) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <116.248f7544.2c1a21b3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:34:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/12/2003 11:33:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > but i insist, it has not pleats in the bodice! I must respectfully disagree. There are dresses with seams but that 1st starts out as tacking the pleats down to the lining. That's how you get 18th century gowns with the backs...the term has slipped my mind...where the stitched down pleats in the CB release into the skirt without a seam. I'm sorry....I can't remember the French term for it....my French sux! Anyway....this continues right into the early 1800s with a high waist. It even becomes a major feature of those cut way jackets with a "zone". The fabric will have pleats sewn to the lining all the way from where the jacket meets at top CF to the side waist...all the way around...and they release into a peplum at the back. Indeed, it how the jacket is shaped in this instance. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 15:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CJM1HP019922 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CJJjUw006675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CJJhpi019470; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.125]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CJJdpi019327 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail4.mx.voyager.net (mail4.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.203]) by out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D7A92F77 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:19:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wkslnng238 (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h5CJJXKK067324 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012a01c3311f$e6462610$4c0310ac@wkslnng238> From: "Emily Hartman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <116.248f7544.2c1a21b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >That's how you get 18th century gowns with the backs...the > term has slipped my mind...where the stitched down pleats in the CB release > into the skirt without a seam. I'm sorry....I can't remember the French term for > it....my French sux! en fourreau? For what it's worth, I completely agree with AlbertCat. Emily Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît pas --Pascal, Pensees, 1670 That's how you get 18th century gowns with the backs...the > term has slipped my mind...where the stitched down pleats in the CB release > into the skirt without a seam. I'm sorry....I can't remember the French term for > it....my French sux! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 16:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CKCdHP020309 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CKAeUw012431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CKAcJu029247; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CKAXJu029131 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.ae.41c40b97 (16633) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/12/2003 3:32:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, hartma44@msu.edu writes: > en fourreau? > Thank you! It was driving me nuts! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 17:44:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CLihHP020623 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:44:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CLgsUw023519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CLglfk009396; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CLggfk009318 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f4b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.75]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DA635EE23E for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c3312b$b2e51c20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <116.248f7544.2c1a21b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:43:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. But we were talking about the anglaise style dress. If you look in Norah Waughs cutting diagrams on the anglaise dress on page 95, cutting diagram xxii, this dress has no pleats only a 6 piece bodice and skirt. It is the same case with the cutting diagram of the Kyoto book, of a robe anglaise. I think you are talking about the earlyer style of dress, wich you see a lot in f.instance Costume in Detail by Nancy Bradfield. This style evolved from the mantua. But a robe anglaise has a seperate bodice and skirt, there are not any pleats that goes from the bodice to the skirt Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > In a message dated 6/12/2003 11:33:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > > > but i insist, it has not pleats in the bodice! > > I must respectfully disagree. > > There are dresses with seams but that 1st starts out as tacking the pleats > down to the lining. That's how you get 18th century gowns with the backs...the > term has slipped my mind...where the stitched down pleats in the CB release > into the skirt without a seam. I'm sorry....I can't remember the French term for > it....my French sux! > > Anyway....this continues right into the early 1800s with a high waist. It > even becomes a major feature of those cut way jackets with a "zone". The fabric > will have pleats sewn to the lining all the way from where the jacket meets at > top CF to the side waist...all the way around...and they release into a peplum > at the back. Indeed, it how the jacket is shaped in this instance. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 18:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMXVHP020795 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMVjUw029257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMVUut017031; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMVQut016944 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.15f.21b229c5 (3699) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.21b229c5.2c1a5933@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:31:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/12/2003 5:50:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > But we were talking about the anglaise style dress. > Yes, they come en fourreau and not en fourreau. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 18:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMq1HP020829 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMoCUw002037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMoAut002294; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMo8ut002215 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.16a.1fe61783 (3699) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.1fe61783.2c1a5d96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:49:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO About this business...I direct you to Janet Arnold "Patterns of Fashion, Vol 1, pages 36 and 37. And for an early version pages 22 and 23. And in Nora Waugh to diagrams XIV and XVI...which she calls a mantua but are also A L'anglaise. Norah's terms aren't as definitive as you would like them to be, alas. >From the big Kyoto book: pages 79 and 84 & 85. These are labeled "A la polonaise", but that merely refers to the draped up skirt. What if you chose not to wear it a la Polonaise? It's still, Polonaise or not, a L'anglaise. This may not be the case in European terminology; I mean the Kyoto book calls the bodice with skirt gowns a L'anglaise. But by, say, 1740's I'd think a "mantua" would elicit a "court dress" idea. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 18:57:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMvZHP020840 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:57:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMtjUw002488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMthUN005400; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe16.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMtcUN005319 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:55:33 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe16.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:55:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1c6.b10a219.2c1a1105@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Costume Connections" patterns (and others) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:55:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 22:55:33.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAD7FA10:01C33135] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Lastly, does anyone know of a company that sells a decent bliaut pattern? If you can make a T-tunic, you should be able to make a bliaut. Or at least the bliaut as I picture it, which might not be the same thing you're thinking of :-) A bliaut from what I know is just a fitted T-tunic, with gores to widen the bottom. As for the sleeves, I don't really know yet. Mine was laced at the sides, but it wasn't meant to be historical one. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 12 23:19:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D3JRHP021973 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:19:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D3HWUw024906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D3HNoD025259; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail5.mn.rr.com (fe5.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D3HLoD025248 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:17:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail5.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030612221807.0388bb60@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:21:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question In-Reply-To: <003b01c330f2$074f4400$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235225.032dc220@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I fell in love with this style when I saw a robe a la anglais with this style bodice on display in London. I've always liked things that were unusual and this style strikes me as unusual. : ) Thank you. I am trying to make an appointment to examine a gown of this style and I wanted to use the correct term. Compere it is. : ) I will keep the pattern in mind. Unfortunately, I have been unable to purchase the Revolutions in Fashion book - I keep looking though. Cheers, Danielle At 04:50 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Danielle. >So, you like this style two? >This is just the same opening i am making to my robe francaise. >So if you are cofused? Dont be. >This inverted V closing got very fashionable from about 1780 to 1795. It >could be used for both a robe francaise, as i am making, and the anglaise >style. >The francaise, as you know has those pleats that falls from the back neck. >Anglaise dress has a fitted bodice with bones in the back seams. It goes >down in a deep point in the back. >Both dresses has open overskirts, and a matching underskirt. >The inverted V front is usually called a compere, it is sewed to the bodice >in one side, and pinned in the other side. >If you are interrested in this style, there is an Arnold pattern you can use >in the small Kyoto book. There is not any picture of it in the small book, >wich is odd, when they have the pattern there, but if you have the big Kyoto >book, there is a lovely picture of it, it is cream collored dated to 1780-90 >i think. > >Many greetings > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 03:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7L2HP019378 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7JDUw013044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7JB8g018071; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7J78g018027 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0185648008D for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c3317c$3e8d9e00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c32f6f$e10173f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3EE64EFD.8060505@faucet.net> <002b01c3851a$9cf52020$ebdf8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030611235225.032dc220@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030612221807.0388bb60@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:20:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Danielle. It is a pitty, you dont have it, but if you email me privately, i shall scan the pattern for you and send! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > Bjarne, > > I fell in love with this style when I saw a robe a la anglais with this > style bodice on display in London. I've always liked things that were > unusual and this style strikes me as unusual. : ) > > Thank you. I am trying to make an appointment to examine a gown of this > style and I wanted to use the correct term. Compere it is. : ) > > I will keep the pattern in mind. Unfortunately, I have been unable to > purchase the Revolutions in Fashion book - I keep looking though. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 04:50 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >Dear Danielle. > >So, you like this style two? > >This is just the same opening i am making to my robe francaise. > >So if you are cofused? Dont be. > >This inverted V closing got very fashionable from about 1780 to 1795. It > >could be used for both a robe francaise, as i am making, and the anglaise > >style. > >The francaise, as you know has those pleats that falls from the back neck. > >Anglaise dress has a fitted bodice with bones in the back seams. It goes > >down in a deep point in the back. > >Both dresses has open overskirts, and a matching underskirt. > >The inverted V front is usually called a compere, it is sewed to the bodice > >in one side, and pinned in the other side. > >If you are interrested in this style, there is an Arnold pattern you can use > >in the small Kyoto book. There is not any picture of it in the small book, > >wich is odd, when they have the pattern there, but if you have the big Kyoto > >book, there is a lovely picture of it, it is cream collored dated to 1780-90 > >i think. > > > >Many greetings > > > >Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 03:30:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7U3HP022873 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7SKUw013758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7SJ8g021909; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7SG8g021883 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EF87480058 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001f01c3317d$86f98b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <16a.1fe61783.2c1a5d96@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Albertcat, I did not men to argue about this that much. But i just wanted to give some clear dress terminologies for a person, who is not familiar with the different styles. The term for a robe anglaise, is a late 18th century definition of some english fashions wich became very popular in France from 1775 and till about 1790. It could be, that some calls the polonaise style also for a robe anglaise, but i was talking about this particular dress with split bodice pieces in the back. The french fashion magazine Galleries des Modes et Costumes Francaise has some prints, wich calls this model with 5 seam bodice for a robe anglaise. I did not intend to be rude, just precise in the terminology of a robe anglaise. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > About this business...I direct you to Janet Arnold "Patterns of Fashion, Vol > 1, pages 36 and 37. And for an early version pages 22 and 23. > > And in Nora Waugh to diagrams XIV and XVI...which she calls a mantua but are > also A L'anglaise. Norah's terms aren't as definitive as you would like them > to be, alas. > > >From the big Kyoto book: pages 79 and 84 & 85. These are labeled "A la > polonaise", but that merely refers to the draped up skirt. What if you chose not to > wear it a la Polonaise? It's still, Polonaise or not, a L'anglaise. > > This may not be the case in European terminology; I mean the Kyoto book calls > the bodice with skirt gowns a L'anglaise. But by, say, 1740's I'd think a > "mantua" would elicit a "court dress" idea. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 03:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7WRHP023496 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:32:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7UjUw013985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7Ui8g023030; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7UJ8g022848 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 468044800C5 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:30:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002501c3317d$d02d2b40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15f.21b229c5.2c1a5933@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:31:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. again. You say it, it is called a Fourreau gown, and that is not an anglaise gown. Otherwise it was not called Fourreau! I dont think you understand my mening. No offense Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question > In a message dated 6/12/2003 5:50:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > > But we were talking about the anglaise style dress. > > > > Yes, they come en fourreau and not en fourreau. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 10:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DE3SHP026828 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DE1XUw009778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DE1TD2001998; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DE1RD2001952 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.6.12f8b434 (3866) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:12 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <6.12f8b434.2c1b3327@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:11 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm working on the shirt for my Helena of Snakenborg dress project and I'm stumped. I'm a novice at embroidery but I'm usually able to do ok, except for long-n-short stitch (I plan on spend a day witha frame, some linen scrap and a whole lotta shapes, trying fill 'em in with long-n-short). I know I want to do fly stitch on my leaves for the shirt motif, and stem for the stems (duh!), french knots for the rose centers, but the rose leaves are giving me issues. I really like the look of stem or split stitch circling aroind in a petal, I have a feeeling that long-n-short was used for the original. Any embroidery junkies out there got any advice? I also can't decide what thread to use..crewel wool seems too heavy for the 5.7 oz linen shirt, silk is out of the middle class margins I'm using for the project, I don't have the time to wait for linen thread to get shipped to me, I have buttloads of cotton floss and a little pearl cotton (I do have several skeins of poppy red silk floss...would a middle class girl be able to afford/get away with a little silk in her embroidery?) What should I use to embroider with? How many strands? I'm kinda limited to JOAnn's and Hobby Lobby right now. Thanks! -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 10:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DEVxHP026895 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DEU9Uw012350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DEU8D2017441; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DEU4D2017377 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from escom.antek [192.168.0.151] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AFEA1BF013A; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:30:02 -0500 Received: From 74w0d01 ([65.45.18.250]) by escom.antek (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1055515625781; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c331b4$58a9c060$0764a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.12f8b434.2c1b3327@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:01:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'm working on the shirt for my Helena of Snakenborg dress project and I'm > stumped. ..... but the rose leaves are giving me issues. I > really like the look of stem or split stitch circling aroind in a petal, I have > a feeeling that long-n-short was used for the original. Elizabethan's had a number of stitches that they really liked to use, and while I won't say they didn't use split stitch, I don't seem to find it used very often. I would suggest you look up a self published book by Jane Zimmerman, called Elizabethan Embroidery, I found it in my local needlework shop for about $25. In it, she goes through the stitches commonly found in Elizabethan embroideries, the type of thread used and how they were used(filling, outline, etc) and then she gives instructions on how to do them as well as some variations of the stitch. Any embroidery > junkies out there got any advice? I also can't decide what thread to use..crewel > wool seems too heavy for the 5.7 oz linen shirt, silk is out of the middle class > margins I'm using for the project, I don't have the time to wait for linen > thread to get shipped to me, I have buttloads of cotton floss and a little pearl > cotton (I do have several skeins of poppy red silk floss...would a middle > class girl be able to afford/get away with a little silk in her embroidery?) What > should I use to embroider with? How many strands? I'm kinda limited to JOAnn's > and Hobby Lobby right now. Thanks! > I've found references to silk embroidery all over the place, wool on household stuff. I haven't found any references to Elizabethan embroideries in linen thread. I'm still looking though. Cyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 11:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DF5IHP026981 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DF1TUw015135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DF1S48006404; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DF1P48006330 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1dd.bad347a (657) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:01:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.bad347a.2c1b413a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:01:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/13/2003 3:36:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > did not men to argue about this that much. > We aren't arguing. We're getting our terms straight. It's a matter of subdivisions really. I consider a gown a L'anglaise to be one with a fitted back as opposed to a gown a la Francaise...with flowing back pleats. The Gown a L'anglaise may be achieved en fourreau or [later in the period] with separate back seams and an attached skirt, usually with a point CB. All three styles may be worn a la Polonaise...or with the skirt draped into 3 parts. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 12:22:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DGMtHP027202 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DGKwUw023747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DGKvHf007408; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DGKrHf007348 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19QrIG-0001Qu-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:20:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c331c7$c07657e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: "'Nola Yergen-Jennings'" cc: "'Drea Leed'" Subject: [h-cost] Simon Bening - a question and some links-cool book recreation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a discussion with Drea off-list she mentioned a Flemish artist with whom I was not familiar. In my internet searches I came across very little (he isn't in some of my regular places like CGFA etc.) But I did come across some links I thought you all might be interested in: An interesting article on the art of giving in the Middle Ages http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2000/11/21/27743.html Someone has recreated his book of hours-all sold out, but cool none the less http://www.finns-books.com/flowers.htm Here is his bio: http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/bio/a355-1.html My question finally is, do any of you know where I can find some of his stuff online (that isn't related to his books of hours) I am particulary interested in women's clothing-Drea says he does have some out there where you can see Breughel type stuff. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 13:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHFqHP027323 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:15:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHE1Uw000875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHDuGn016370; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5DHDpGn016270 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 73098 invoked by uid 1005); 13 Jun 2003 17:13:42 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.080905 secs); 13 Jun 2003 17:13:42 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.080905 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 17:13:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Saragrace Knauf In-Reply-To: <000001c331c7$c07657e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20030613131027.N72745-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "'Nola Yergen-Jennings'" cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Simon Bening - a question and some links-cool book recreation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Search for "da Costa Hours" or "Flemish Calendar". Those are the two that I've seen which contain the most peasant/lower class depictions. Also, an alternate (dutch) spelling of Bening's last name is "Beninck". A search for "Flemish Miniature" art may also turn up some of his stuff. I recently got a facsimile copy of the da Costa Hours, and I LRRRRVE it so much. I'm on the lookout for a good facsimile of the Flemish Calendar, but they all cost an arm & a leg & aren't available. Happy surfing, Drea On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > In a discussion with Drea off-list she mentioned a Flemish artist with > whom I was not familiar. In my internet searches I came across very > little (he isn't in some of my regular places like CGFA etc.) But I did > come across some links I thought you all might be interested in: > > An interesting article on the art of giving in the Middle Ages > > http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2000/11/21/27743.html > > > Someone has recreated his book of hours-all sold out, but cool none the > less > > http://www.finns-books.com/flowers.htm > > > Here is his bio: > > http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/bio/a355-1.html > > > My question finally is, do any of you know where I can find some of his > stuff online (that isn't related to his books of hours) I am > particulary interested in women's clothing-Drea says he does have some > out there where you can see Breughel type stuff. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 13:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHIIHP027337 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHF9Uw001151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHF7Gn017308; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5DHEoGn017060 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 75587 invoked by uid 1005); 13 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067663 secs); 13 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067663 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Saragrace Knauf In-Reply-To: <000001c331c7$c07657e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20030613131422.I72745-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "'Nola Yergen-Jennings'" cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Simon Bening - a question and some links-cool book recreation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops! I meant the Grimani Breviary, not the Da Costa Hours. (duh. :) On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > In a discussion with Drea off-list she mentioned a Flemish artist with > whom I was not familiar. In my internet searches I came across very > little (he isn't in some of my regular places like CGFA etc.) But I did > come across some links I thought you all might be interested in: > > An interesting article on the art of giving in the Middle Ages > > http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2000/11/21/27743.html > > > Someone has recreated his book of hours-all sold out, but cool none the > less > > http://www.finns-books.com/flowers.htm > > > Here is his bio: > > http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/bio/a355-1.html > > > My question finally is, do any of you know where I can find some of his > stuff online (that isn't related to his books of hours) I am > particulary interested in women's clothing-Drea says he does have some > out there where you can see Breughel type stuff. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 13:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHYHHP027372 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHVjUw003172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHVhGn028830; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DHVfGn028744 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.168.1ff2a190 (16099) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m18.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.134]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v93.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee33eea0a7518a; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:31:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:31:33 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Simon Bening - a question and some links-cool book recreation MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2A517A56.712037BF.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi- I have a list of paintings by Breugel's predecessors/contemporaries/followers that I've put together but do not have at my fingertips. In the meantime, if you search for "Simon Bening" Peasants you will find quite a bit of stuff. Also, you will want to find the "Seven Works of Charity" which I have at home in a book. If you cannot find it, let me know. When searching on the web, you may want to search for "Simon Bening" Charity "Simon Bening" Caritas [Latin for Charity] Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 14:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DIuLHP027596 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:56:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DIsSUw011789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DIsQk1026841; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DIsMk1026788 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.212]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C7C87480012 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c331dd$6ad456a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.12f8b434.2c1b3327@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:55:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I would use some silk floss for the roses. Could that thread not have ben a gift you had got from someone? Anyway, for the roses wich has 5 flower leaves each, i would use long and short stitch. Dont be afraid, the roses are not big, so it should not be difficult. Make a stitch at the start and end of each flower leaf. Then make a stitch from the point of the middle leaf and into the petals. Then you have a direction to use for the stitches! Make some small sampler first, then you don't have to be afraid before you start the shirt. I would only use one thread if i were you, if you use more, it easily gets bulky. Good luck, it is a lovely projekt wish it was me who were making that shirt. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question > I'm working on the shirt for my Helena of Snakenborg dress project and I'm > stumped. I'm a novice at embroidery but I'm usually able to do ok, except for > long-n-short stitch (I plan on spend a day witha frame, some linen scrap and a > whole lotta shapes, trying fill 'em in with long-n-short). I know I want to do > fly stitch on my leaves for the shirt motif, and stem for the stems (duh!), > french knots for the rose centers, but the rose leaves are giving me issues. I > really like the look of stem or split stitch circling aroind in a petal, I have > a feeeling that long-n-short was used for the original. Any embroidery > junkies out there got any advice? I also can't decide what thread to use..crewel > wool seems too heavy for the 5.7 oz linen shirt, silk is out of the middle class > margins I'm using for the project, I don't have the time to wait for linen > thread to get shipped to me, I have buttloads of cotton floss and a little pearl > cotton (I do have several skeins of poppy red silk floss...would a middle > class girl be able to afford/get away with a little silk in her embroidery?) What > should I use to embroider with? How many strands? I'm kinda limited to JOAnn's > and Hobby Lobby right now. Thanks! > > -Sarra Wryght > Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html > Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 16:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DKuoHP027928 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DKseUw025121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DKsani023687; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DKsUni023611 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19QvZ5-00029b-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:54:28 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:54:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c331ed$faa2f6a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In poking around the internet I came across this picture. I don't think the things in question have anything to do with costume, but there are some neat ones on the site. http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/090.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 17:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLIQHP027970 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGRUw027683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGQIb009039; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGKIb008958 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id AF281F04A4; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:16:24 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:16:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c331f1$0bb0ee90$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c331ed$faa2f6a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The green bump in the front row looks like a road or path turns to go into or through it, might they be granaries of some sort? Is the page description "area of cooking"? (I'm guessing wildly here- my command of French is considerably less than useful) Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? In poking around the internet I came across this picture. I don't think the things in question have anything to do with costume, but there are some neat ones on the site. http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/090.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 17:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLIiHP027973 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGlUw027748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGkIb009293; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DLGhIb009229 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12113 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:39:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:39:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? In-Reply-To: <000501c331ed$faa2f6a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > In poking around the internet I came across this picture. I don't think > the things in question have anything to do with costume, but there are > some neat ones on the site. > > http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/090.htm Dunno, Easter eggs? I'd love to know too! Something having to do with food, I think, and probably an allegorical or symbolic representation. Me, though, I'm looking at the wonderful example of medieval perspective in this illumination -- especially the right-hand doorway (look at the top) and the angle of the shutters on the back center window. I'm getting dizzy... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 18:18:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DMI3HP028099 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:18:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DMBEUw004019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DMBDRw016608; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DMB8Rw016439 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccc.edu ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.9/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h5DMB22d027884 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EEA4BF7.E962336C@mccc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:11:03 -0400 From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: Dunno, Easter eggs? I'd love to know too! or the window overlooks Jurrasic Park and those are dinosaur eggs.. Neat picture tho and the perspective really is a precursor to Escher. > food, I think, and probably an allegorical or symbolic representation. > > Me, though, I'm looking at the wonderful example of medieval perspective > in this illumination -- especially the right-hand doorway (look at the > top) and the angle of the shutters on the back center window. I'm getting > dizzy... > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 20:56:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E0uCHP028464 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E0rLUw019867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E0rF7s022141; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E0r97s022066 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13022 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:15:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:15:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? In-Reply-To: <000201c331f1$0bb0ee90$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Betsy Marshall wrote: > The green bump in the front row looks like a road or path turns to go > into or through it, might they be granaries of some sort? Is the page > description "area of cooking"? (I'm guessing wildly here- my command > of French is considerably less than useful) Betsy The French, I think, translates to "back kitchen" or "rear kitchen." The book it comes from is one of many with a title similar to "On the Nature of Things," meaning anything from philosophy to alchemy to a practical manual of some activity, or all three at once. Without the context, I have no clue what it says ... and there's not enough text showing for me to try reading what's on the page. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 21:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E1WkHP028559 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:32:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E1V2Uw022014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E1V1mS008334; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E1UwmT008315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-101-44.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.101.44])h5E1W5Ae073336 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:32:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1dd.bad347a.2c1b413a@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um... This is fascinating, but I'm finding it really hard to follow along without illustrations. Could you provide some links to illustrate your terms, or page numbers from the Kyoto book or something? thanks! .heather. On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 08:01 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/2003 3:36:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > >> did not men to argue about this that much. >> > > We aren't arguing. We're getting our terms straight. > > It's a matter of subdivisions really. > > I consider a gown a L'anglaise to be one with a fitted back as opposed > to a > gown a la Francaise...with flowing back pleats. > > The Gown a L'anglaise may be achieved en fourreau or [later in the > period] > with separate back seams and an attached skirt, usually with a point > CB. > > All three styles may be worn a la Polonaise...or with the skirt draped > into 3 > parts. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 22:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E27SHP028636 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:07:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E25DUw024883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E25BaC024339; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E258aD024296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty6025.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.251.25]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5E25Brt010422 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3EEA8277.6050000@dandy.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:03:35 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? References: <000501c331ed$faa2f6a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I'm going to make a guess here. Since something mentions cuisine, and diet and medicine were intertwined in this period, and there is a fellow compounding something in a mortar, next to the storage containers, and other persons appear to be eating, drinking and ?using a tissue?, I'm guessing there is some sort of alchemical allegory to the "hills" and their colors. If someone has a better trans. of the title, this might shed some light... Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 13 23:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E3DnHP028739 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E3C4Uw001152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E3C2ZC000761; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E3C1ZC000747 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19R1SN-0005KO-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:11:56 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: , Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:11:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c33222$b5fd9e80$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric.com Dupioni on sale. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, sorry to do this to you, but dupioni just went on sale. They have some interesting colors. I don't think I've seen lower prices lately other than that you can get dupioni in the LA fabric district for $6.00 (if you have a guy with you). I got some of the midnight red and the warm gold. :0) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 00:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E4BIHP028848 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:11:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E49XUw005208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E49Vr6026978; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:09:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E49Tr6026952 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19R2M4-0006Xc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:09:28 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Fabric.com Dupioni on sale. Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c3322a$c00c4270$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Slapping my forehead! Duh! Helps to tell you where: www.fabric.com Phoenix textiles! "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf ~Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:12 PM ~To: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: [h-cost] Fabric.com Dupioni on sale. ~ ~Okay, sorry to do this to you, but dupioni just went on sale. They have ~some interesting colors. I don't think I've seen lower prices lately ~other than that you can get dupioni in the LA fabric district for $6.00 ~(if you have a guy with you). ~ ~I got some of the midnight red and the warm gold. :0) ~ ~Sg ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 06:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EA2fHP032164 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E9wlUw026681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E9wel4010941; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E9wcl4010923 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-013caburbp0027.dialsprint.net ([63.191.0.27] helo=[0019381808]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19R7ny-000550-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:58:38 -0400 From: "Katherine" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 02:59:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in NC? Message-ID: <3EEA8FAE.14514.363FC19@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200306081801.h58I0wss015878@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooh, real silk and wool? Lovely, I can't find anything like that locally. Well, I did find wool once about two years ago :) I'll have to bug my friend about a side trip. Thanks :) Katherine > > I'll be visiting a friend in Greensboro, North Carolina soon and was > > wondering if anyone knew of any good fabric stores in the area. > > > > Greensboro only has a Hancock Fabrics and a Jo Ann's. Unless you want > upholstery fabric. > > Mary Jo's is in Gastonia...which is a couple of hours away down I-85 south > near Charlotte....but worth the trip. It's a big store with lots of stuff. > Some silk taffetas but as usual lots of dupioni. But there are some good > laces and some lovely synthetics in the fancy dress stuffs dept. Some nice > wools too. The store is not seasonal so all this stuff should be out. Katherine "I really think that artists to-day try to see how far they can make fun of the public without its revolting." Marie, Queen of Roumania My Dress Site http://www.koshka-the-cat.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 06:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EAViHP032238 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:31:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EAQBUw028940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EAQ9l4025415; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EAQ6l4025373 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-013caburbp0027.dialsprint.net ([63.191.0.27] helo=[0019381808]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19R8EY-0000Ba-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:26:06 -0400 From: "Katherine" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:27:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [h-cost] "Costume Connections" patterns (and others) Message-ID: <3EEA961D.26035.37D1ECB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200306121801.h5CI1Vsd020791@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Christine :) I don't have answers to your pattern questions, I haven't used any of the patterns you mentioned (I used the RHF sideless gowns pattern for my Refugee dress, which, except for running big, was fine), but I do have an answer for the corset. I drafted my own and it was one of the easiest things I've done. I even posted directions online. If you're interested, you can see them here: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/shieldmaiden.html (just click on the corset link from there!) Good luck, Katherine On 12 Jun 2003 at 12:01, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:23:17 EDT > From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com > suggestions. I don't care about the "corsage" (which is, in the movie, an > underbust corset-type garment on top of a stretchy vest) overmuch; I'll > likely end up drafting the bottom half myself. There's no bust involved, > so how hard can it be? > > > Christine > User of famous last words used by costumers before the hair starts being > pulled out! Katherine "I really think that artists to-day try to see how far they can make fun of the public without its revolting." Marie, Queen of Roumania My Dress Site http://www.koshka-the-cat.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 07:36:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EBa7HP032430 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EBWvUw003242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EBWro2020033; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f27.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EBWfo2019912 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:32:35 -0700 Received: from 208.59.182.42 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:32:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.59.182.42] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:32:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2003 11:32:35.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7070AB0:01C33268] Subject: [h-cost] Robin Netherton talks in New England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm new here. It might be a little weird for one's first post to be a long announcement. I hope that's OK. For people who want to attend: If you're putting a check in the mail, please also let me know by email (at this address or the one below) so I can add you to the registration list as soon as possible. Announcing a day of historical costume lectures at MIT (Cambridge, MA) on November 8, 2003. Robin Netherton is an independent scholar specializing in costume of the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Since 1982, she has given lectures and workshops for academic audiences, historical societies, reenactment groups, and writers' organizations, both on practical aspects of period costume and on costume as an approach to social history, art history, and literature. Her research focuses on the development of the cut of Western European clothing in the 12th through 15th centuries, and also on the depiction and interpretation of clothing by artists and historians, both medieval and modern. Room opens for seating at 9:30 AM. The scheduled times are approximate, as it is hard to estimate how long the Q & A times will last after the lectures, but the first lectures should begin at 10 AM SHARP TWO 14TH-CENTURY DRESS STYLES (2 hours) Includes two lectures: The Gothic Fitted Dress The fitted fashion popular throughout much of Europe in the late 14th century and early 15th century has been the object of much speculation, regarding such matters as who wore it, how it was made, and even what it was called. (The term "cotehardie," often applied to this style, was most likely not the term used by the women who wore it.) A detailed analysis shows the various versions and uses of this style, how it evolved from earlier unfitted fashions, and how it formed the basis for the development of the more structured fashions of the 15th and 16th centuries. The lecture examines some likely construction techniques as well as the social significance of the fashion and its presentation in artwork. The Greenland Gored Gown Costume references frequently cite the garment finds from the 14th- century cemetery at Herjolfsnes, Greenland, as examples of medieval European clothing construction. This lecture re-examines some common assumptions about these gowns in light of overlooked details in the original study report, the cultural context of the Greenland colony, and the likely methods of clothing construction used by the Greenlanders. The discussion gives special attention to the oft-cited "10-gore" gown and how it might influence our understanding of 14th-century European fashion. noon - 2 LUNCH BREAK Participants may bring lunch or eat at any of several on-campus or nearby eateries. 2 PM TWO 15TH-CENTURY OVERDRESSES (2 hours) Includes two lectures: Will the Real Sideless Surcote Please Stand Up? Common wisdom holds that the sideless surcote was a popular female fashion of the late 14th century and much of the 15th century in England, France, and Flanders. Looking closely at the artwork that portrays this fashion, though, we can trace several distinct stages in the development and use of the style and its implications for the wearer. A slide lecture will show how to distinguish between the surcote's uses as a real garment and as a symbolic device in artwork, with special attention to practical issues of construction. The 15th-Century V-Neck Gown The so-called "Burgundian" style that dominates much of 15th-century fashion in Western Europe is in fact two separate styles, which have distinctive characteristics and are apparently constructed in two completely different ways. An examination of artwork over the course of the century demonstrates the differences and provides clues as to how the two styles developed and the ways in which they may have been made. BREAK 4:30 PM When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources (1.5 hours) Too often, today's costume sources present "facts" about medieval and Renaissance costume that are actually misinterpretations dating from the Victorian era. This lecture traces the development of modern costume scholarship and examines the motives and methods of 19th-century costume historians. Armed with this information, 21st-century costumers can learn how to recognize -- and compensate for -- Victorian influence in current sources. At the speaker's request, no audio or video taping of the lectures will be permitted. The location is MIT Room: 4-231. For a map of MIT with the building highlighted, see: http://whereis.mit.edu/bin/map?locate=bldg_4 This is not an SCA event. Cost is $25.00 for those who pre-register. Cost at the door will be $40.00, but it is unlikely that any last minute space will be available, as attendance is limited to 60. A few work-study slots will be available for people who can help but can't afford to pay. Make the check out to Laura Dickerson and mail to 3 Audubon Road Lexington, MA 02421 questions? email lauradi@erols.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 10:36:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEaXHP001037 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:36:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUKUw013266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUDch025966; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUAch025928 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1ca.bc6c6b1 (17526) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ca.bc6c6b1.2c1c8b68@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:30:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780s gown terminology question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/13/03 9:35:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > Could you provide some links > to illustrate your terms, or page numbers from the Kyoto book or > something? > I'm sorry....but now I'm traveling and don't have my books in front of me. I'm on other peoples' computers. Does a more Internet savvy person [who's at home....in familiar surroundings] have some on line pics that could help? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 10:36:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEaoHP001040 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUrUw013324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUqch026227; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EEUnch026195 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15903 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:53:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:53:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in NC? In-Reply-To: <3EEA8FAE.14514.363FC19@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Someone wrote: > > > I'll be visiting a friend in Greensboro, North Carolina soon and was > > > wondering if anyone knew of any good fabric stores in the area. > > > > Greensboro only has a Hancock Fabrics and a Jo Ann's. Unless you want > > upholstery fabric. > > > > Mary Jo's is in Gastonia...which is a couple of hours away down I-85 south > > near Charlotte....but worth the trip. It's a big store with lots of stuff. > > Some silk taffetas but as usual lots of dupioni. But there are some good > > laces and some lovely synthetics in the fancy dress stuffs dept. Some nice > > wools too. The store is not seasonal so all this stuff should be out. Isn't Mulberry Silks around that area? Nice small fabric store, good quality, good service ... or at least that was the case 10 years ago. I'd hate to find out it's gone out of business. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 12:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EGlXHP001305 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:47:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EGjOUw021697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EGjKRJ021464; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5EGjCRK021423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-101-100.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.101.100])h5EGkMAe081656 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:44:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in NC? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7D1C5302-9E87-11D7-A36B-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's in Carrboro, which is about an hour away from Greensboro, without traffic. On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 07:53 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Someone wrote: > >>>> I'll be visiting a friend in Greensboro, North Carolina soon and was >>>> wondering if anyone knew of any good fabric stores in the area. >>> >>> Greensboro only has a Hancock Fabrics and a Jo Ann's. Unless you want >>> upholstery fabric. >>> >>> Mary Jo's is in Gastonia...which is a couple of hours away down I-85 >>> south >>> near Charlotte....but worth the trip. It's a big store with lots of >>> stuff. >>> Some silk taffetas but as usual lots of dupioni. But there are some >>> good >>> laces and some lovely synthetics in the fancy dress stuffs dept. >>> Some nice >>> wools too. The store is not seasonal so all this stuff should be out. > > Isn't Mulberry Silks around that area? Nice small fabric store, good > quality, good service ... or at least that was the case 10 years ago. > I'd > hate to find out it's gone out of business. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 22:23:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2NGHP002624 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:23:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2L3Uw004817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2KmlW026524; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5F2KklW026511 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24189 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail2.inreach.com) (209.142.2.51) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from 12.233.12.26 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3405.12.233.12.26.1055643645.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary From: To: In-Reply-To: <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <33665.162.119.64.111.1055349098.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anybody know when piping *did* show up? Any pictures online would be great if you can point to them... Thanks! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 14 22:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2rwHP002676 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2pfUw007549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2pelW010230; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F2pclX010209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5F2pfHe003584 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:51:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5F2pfq2003582 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:51:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:51:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <33665.162.119.64.111.1055349098.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <000001c33042$fe757070$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <3405.12.233.12.26.1055643645.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <3405.12.233.12.26.1055643645.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306142251.41018.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5F2pclX010209 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:20 pm, dch@inreach.com wrote: > Does anybody know when piping *did* show up? Any pictures online would be > great if you can point to them... You'll all *love* this.... For Christmas, I got a copy of "The Tarim Mummies" (by J.P. Mallory & Victor H. Mair, pub. Thames & Hudson, 2000). The book describes, in great detail, a number of extremely well-preserved, Caucasian, mummified bodies which have been discovered in the Tarim Basin (i.e., Central Asia near northwestern China) between, roughly, 1800 B.C.E. and 250 B.C.E. The book has fair-to-middling pictures (some in color) describes the clothing worn by the mummies in some detail (which is why I wanted the book). One of the mummies has been nicknamed "Ur-David" by the researchers. The group he was found with is estimated to date from between 1000 B.C.E. and about 600 B.C.E. His primary garment is a wrapped coat, shaped rather like a karate gi or a bathrobe, in a dark red color. The interesting part is that, along the front edges the coat is finished with what the authors describe as *piping*--and it sure looks like piping in the photos! (This piping is a bright orangish-red, which contrasts sharply with the much darker bluer red of the coat itself.) More of the "piping" appears on the sleeves at the upper arms. It is conceivable, of course, that this stuff is merely cord sewn on the edges of the coat and the body of the sleeves, though the edges of the coat sure look as though they've been piped--but one would need to see the garment itself, or perhaps an extreme close up of the garment, to be sure.... Alas, I could not find a URL to a picture of Ur David online, and the book is only out in hardcover. It costs $50.00 US. But if the authors are correct and the stuff *is* piping, at least one tribe in Central Asia was using piping around 1000 B.C.E. .... -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 00:18:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F4IEHP002825 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F4GNUw012991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F4GLJe013025; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F4GJJe013015 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:16:21 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A31410C900D0; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:16:20 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:16:20 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c332f4$d5fe55d0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-reply-to: <200306142251.41018.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mallory and Mair's book is fascinating, but if it's the textiles that interest you, try Elizabeth Barber's The Mummies of Urumchi, W. W. Norton and Co. This book is primarily about the textiles, and yes, the clothing is piped. Barber examined it in person. Great book. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:20 pm, dch@inreach.com wrote: > Does anybody know when piping *did* show up? Any pictures online would be > great if you can point to them... You'll all *love* this.... For Christmas, I got a copy of "The Tarim Mummies" (by J.P. Mallory & Victor H. Mair, pub. Thames & Hudson, 2000). The book describes, in great detail, a number of extremely well-preserved, Caucasian, mummified bodies which have been discovered in the Tarim Basin (i.e., Central Asia near northwestern China) between, roughly, 1800 B.C.E. and 250 B.C.E. The book has fair-to-middling pictures (some in color) describes the clothing worn by the mummies in some detail (which is why I wanted the book). One of the mummies has been nicknamed "Ur-David" by the researchers. The group he was found with is estimated to date from between 1000 B.C.E. and about 600 B.C.E. His primary garment is a wrapped coat, shaped rather like a karate gi or a bathrobe, in a dark red color. The interesting part is that, along the front edges the coat is finished with what the authors describe as *piping*--and it sure looks like piping in the photos! (This piping is a bright orangish-red, which contrasts sharply with the much darker bluer red of the coat itself.) More of the "piping" appears on the sleeves at the upper arms. It is conceivable, of course, that this stuff is merely cord sewn on the edges of the coat and the body of the sleeves, though the edges of the coat sure look as though they've been piped--but one would need to see the garment itself, or perhaps an extreme close up of the garment, to be sure.... Alas, I could not find a URL to a picture of Ur David online, and the book is only out in hardcover. It costs $50.00 US. But if the authors are correct and the stuff *is* piping, at least one tribe in Central Asia was using piping around 1000 B.C.E. .... -- Cathy Raymond "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 02:26:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F6QOHP003036 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F6NWUw020391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F6NQT9028639; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5F6NOT9028625 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-242-183.rev.o1.com ([66.81.242.183] helo=[66.81.241.184]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RQvD-00070l-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:23:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.12f8b434.2c1b3327@aol.com> References: <6.12f8b434.2c1b3327@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:38:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:01 AM -0400 6/13/03, LoreleiMorte@aol.com wrote: >I'm working on the shirt for my Helena of Snakenborg dress project and I'm >stumped. I'm a novice at embroidery but I'm usually able to do ok, except for >long-n-short stitch (I plan on spend a day witha frame, some linen scrap and a >whole lotta shapes, trying fill 'em in with long-n-short). I know I want to do >fly stitch on my leaves for the shirt motif, and stem for the stems (duh!), >french knots for the rose centers, but the rose leaves are giving me issues. I >really like the look of stem or split stitch circling aroind in a >petal, I have >a feeeling that long-n-short was used for the original. Any embroidery >junkies out there got any advice? Long-and-short stitch was indeed used in Elizabethan embroidery, but it doesn't seem to be quite as common then as it became 50 to 100 years later (when it was used for practically everything). Other stitches used for Elizabethan fillings include satin stitch (in small areas), detached buttonhole stitch and its variations which were _very_ common, and ladder stitch, which is essentially a very wide, short chain stitch used as a filling, with its edges following the edge of whatever you're filling (like a leaf or petal). Split stitch isn't often mentioned, but it was certainly still known at this time, though because it's so labor-intensive I would expect to see it on big formal expensive stuff rather than on a shirt or smock. > I also can't decide what thread to use..crewel >wool seems too heavy for the 5.7 oz linen shirt, silk is out of the >middle class >margins I'm using for the project, I don't have the time to wait for linen >thread to get shipped to me, I have buttloads of cotton floss and a >little pearl >cotton (I do have several skeins of poppy red silk floss...would a middle >class girl be able to afford/get away with a little silk in her >embroidery?) What >should I use to embroider with? How many strands? I'm kinda limited to JOAnn's >and Hobby Lobby right now. Thanks! As I understand it, silk thread was probably the most common thread used for black or colored embroidery. My impression is that if you could afford to embroider something at all, you could probably afford the silk thread to embroider it with. It was expensive, but not impossibly expensive: a well-to-do middle-class person could certainly afford to embroider a few garments at least, but you'd be very careful of your thread so as not to waste any. Helena's shirt in the portrait (if that is indeed who she is) was probably the only shirt she had that was this heavily embroidered -- and of course she wore her best clothes to have her portrait painted. I'd advise going with silk if you can get it. OTOH, If this needs to be a garment that is washed often, and if you have good-quality cotton embroidery floss (DMC or Anchor, not the dime-store kind) feel free to use 1 or 2 strands of cotton instead. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 10:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FEPCHP017591 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:25:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FENFUw018393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FENAQK017141; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FEN7QK017100 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.b4.1e6fabc6 (16335) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:22:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question UPDATE To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you guys! All of your suggestions and advice made my life much, much easier... I started the embroidery last night, here's the first of my efforts: http://members.aol.com/loreleimorte/helena7.html It's my first crewel-ish embroidery, so be gentle, k? :) -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 11:54:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FFsSHP018674 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:54:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FFpfUw022882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FFpdk9015855; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FFpak9015832 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RZn5-0002ho-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:51:36 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:51:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c332f4$d5fe55d0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wonder if it was one of those 'lost arts'. Anyone else know of its use a little later? I suppose one could use the logic that if the Egyptians used it and we see it later on in the Renaissance then it could be one of those 'givens'. Would be nice to see some documentation on it though.... Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Kim Baird ~Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:16 PM ~To: 'Historical Costume' ~Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary ~ ~Mallory and Mair's book is fascinating, but if it's the textiles that ~interest you, try Elizabeth Barber's The Mummies of Urumchi, W. W. ~Norton and Co. This book is primarily about the textiles, and yes, the ~clothing is piped. Barber examined it in person. ~ ~Great book. ~ ~Kim ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] ~On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond ~Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:52 PM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary ~ ~On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:20 pm, dch@inreach.com wrote: ~> Does anybody know when piping *did* show up? Any pictures online ~would be ~> great if you can point to them... ~ ~You'll all *love* this.... ~ ~For Christmas, I got a copy of "The Tarim Mummies" (by J.P. Mallory & ~Victor ~H. Mair, pub. Thames & Hudson, 2000). The book describes, in great ~detail, a ~number of extremely well-preserved, Caucasian, mummified bodies which ~have ~been discovered in the Tarim Basin (i.e., Central Asia near northwestern ~ ~China) between, roughly, 1800 B.C.E. and 250 B.C.E. The book has ~fair-to-middling pictures (some in color) describes the clothing worn by ~the ~mummies in some detail (which is why I wanted the book). ~ ~One of the mummies has been nicknamed "Ur-David" by the researchers. ~The ~group he was found with is estimated to date from between 1000 B.C.E. ~and ~about 600 B.C.E. His primary garment is a wrapped coat, shaped rather ~like a ~karate gi or a bathrobe, in a dark red color. The interesting part is ~that, ~along the front edges the coat is finished with what the authors ~describe as ~*piping*--and it sure looks like piping in the photos! (This piping is ~a ~bright orangish-red, which contrasts sharply with the much darker bluer ~red ~of the coat itself.) More of the "piping" appears on the sleeves at the ~ ~upper arms. ~ ~It is conceivable, of course, that this stuff is merely cord sewn on the ~edges ~of the coat and the body of the sleeves, though the edges of the coat ~sure ~look as though they've been piped--but one would need to see the garment ~ ~itself, or perhaps an extreme close up of the garment, to be sure.... ~ ~Alas, I could not find a URL to a picture of Ur David online, and the ~book is ~only out in hardcover. It costs $50.00 US. ~ ~But if the authors are correct and the stuff *is* piping, at least one ~tribe ~in Central Asia was using piping around 1000 B.C.E. .... ~ ~ ~-- ~Cathy Raymond ~ ~"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." ~Albert Einstein ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 12:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGVhHP018760 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:31:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGTtUw025159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGTrre029836; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGTjre029804 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RaO0-0004d4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:29:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:29:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c3335b$5488d540$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Floral Dupioni's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In an online quest for bottle green dupioni, I came across this site http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+dupioni+stripes+plaids2.htm# I thought those of you doing later stuff (late 1600's and on) might be interested in the couple of floral dupionis they had available. I especially like the pink and green one. "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 12:34:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGYAHP018764 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGWKUw025341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGWJre001222; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FGWCre001113 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RaQK-0007T1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:32:10 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Saragrace Knauf'" , "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:32:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c3335b$aa431770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Floral Dupioni's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, and their stripes and brocades are pretty cool too. They have 'silk' velvet, but I have written to find out if it is 100% silk-my guess is, not, because of the price. "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:30 AM To: H-Costume@Indra. Com (h-costume@indra.com) Subject: Floral Dupioni's In an online quest for bottle green dupioni, I came across this site http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+dupioni+stripes+plaids2.htm# I thought those of you doing later stuff (late 1600's and on) might be interested in the couple of floral dupionis they had available. I especially like the pink and green one. "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 13:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FHZsHP018943 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:35:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FHY6Uw000797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FHY4Fp028027; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FHXxFp027866 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jessica.webwarren.com (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by webwarren.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5FHXQR5000896 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:33:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030615132219.05043ca0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: arachne@pop.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:33:28 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Subject: re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5FHXxFp027866 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Saragrace Knauf" wrote: >In poking around the internet I came across this picture. I don't think >the things in question have anything to do with costume, but there are >some neat ones on the site. >http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/090.htm Don't know about those bumps, but that is one really cool site. (For those of you who managed to miss it, the main page/page d'acceuil is "Gastronome Médiévale" (Medieval Gastronomy) and it's all about food and how it integrated into Medieval life.) Lots of images and lots of info. (Sg: did this come from one of the SCA cooking lists? If not, it should probably be forwarded on...) Under "Food and Medicine", the site discusses how diet was prescribed based on one's personal balance of humors, and how people treated disease with diet by trying to rebalance those humors. Under "Imagination and Food", there are mentions of fantastical "foods" listed in a reading primer, the arguments in favor of/against cooked and raw foods, the Great Chain of Being (which described what foods were required for what social classes), and some fantastical ideas of where spices come from ("Barthélemy the English rather imagined that one had to look for cinnamon in the nest of the Phoenix...")... BTW, I think I'm getting about 75% of the information. But I'm also not taking the time to look up the words I'm unfamiliar with... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 14:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIOLHP019038 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIMZUw004196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIMW0M018173; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stanford.loosefoot.com (stanford.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIMT0M018147 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bernie.loosefoot.com (bernie.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.243]) by stanford.loosefoot.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2258B16228E for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:22:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15166 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 18:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mabion.spublofe.com) (12.246.76.5) by bernie.loosefoot.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 18:22:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615111821.00a17950@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: mabse/spublofe.com@pop3.lfchosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:21:45 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200306151801.h5FI0q0O009521@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] linen velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I bought some linen velvet at a good price. (okay, it was still more than I have ever spent for a fabric) and I am going to make some Elizabethans out of it. The question is... can I wash it? and how, if I can? In the washing machine? thanks, maryann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 14:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIWdHP019069 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIUuUw004641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIUt0M021258; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIUr0N021240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5FIUxHe015944 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:30:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5FIUxxI015942 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:30:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:30:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306151430.59237.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5FIUr0N021240 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 15 June 2003 11:51 am, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I wonder if it was one of those 'lost arts'. Anyone else know of its > use a little later? Wish I did. But the only other usages I know of outside the Tarim example) are 19th c. Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 14:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIk8HP019128 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIiMUw005452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIiL0M026680; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIiF0M026615 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5FIiEPn020612 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.143] (tnt-1-207.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.143]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FIi1dp020300 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:42:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:51 AM -0700 6/15/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >I wonder if it was one of those 'lost arts'. Anyone else know of its >use a little later? I suppose one could use the logic that if the >Egyptians used it and we see it later on in the Renaissance then it >could be one of those 'givens'. Would be nice to see some >documentation on it though.... The problem is that that kind of logic can be shown to be faulty. Take tattoos, for instance. You've got examples of tattoos in Europe in the Stone Age (the Iceman) and from around the 19th century on, but it's pretty easily demonstrable that the modern fad for tattoos was imported from other parts of the world and not part of a continuous tradition. I'd be highly suspicious of any chain of logic that takes two highly separated time-points at which we have evidence for something, and then proposes continuous use between the two points. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:04:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJ4dHP019192 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJ2sUw006492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJ2pbA004857; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJ2mbA004815 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Rcm7-000494-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:02:47 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:02:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c33370$b604afa0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think anyone serious about re-creating a historic garment would try to use that logic as proof of anything. On the other hand there is clearly evident that our capacity for ingenuity isn't modern....as my professional historian friend says: "If you thought of it, they probably did too" So when it comes to producing something that allows a man to fly, they may not have had the technology, but they thought of it. Piping is probably something that even 'they' could have handled. It is interesting that you bring up the Iceman though. They are conjecturing that the tattoos were also acupuncture points. So here is a skill that Europeans had at one time and 'lost'. Sg "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Heather Rose Jones ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:42 AM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: RE: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary ~ ~At 8:51 AM -0700 6/15/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: ~>I wonder if it was one of those 'lost arts'. Anyone else know of its ~>use a little later? I suppose one could use the logic that if the ~>Egyptians used it and we see it later on in the Renaissance then it ~>could be one of those 'givens'. Would be nice to see some ~>documentation on it though.... ~ ~The problem is that that kind of logic can be shown to be faulty. ~Take tattoos, for instance. You've got examples of tattoos in Europe ~in the Stone Age (the Iceman) and from around the 19th century on, ~but it's pretty easily demonstrable that the modern fad for tattoos ~was imported from other parts of the world and not part of a ~continuous tradition. I'd be highly suspicious of any chain of logic ~that takes two highly separated time-points at which we have evidence ~for something, and then proposes continuous use between the two ~points. ~ ~Heather ~-- ~***** ~Heather Rose Jones ~hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ~***** ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJHZHP019219 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJFoUw007620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJFmbA010485; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJFjbA010441 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RcyW-0003Mu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:15:37 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:15:33 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c33372$809eb980$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a common misconception. Just because a website makes a claim doesn't make it true. We have worked with this company before. Their price is high on this not because it is 100% silk in the velvet part of this pattern - but because it is a cutout brocade pattern. But you as the consumer have to make your own judgements. Our prices are lower because 1) we are offering a solid basic silk velvet and also because we offer wholesale prices to the public. E-lexus is strictly a retailer. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM To: 'Hyena' Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Huh, that isn't true. Here is some: http://www.e-luxus-agnesalauzet.com/velours_us/pres/frm_pres.asp?col=Gre nadine I didn't think yours was because of the price, but thanks anyway. Sg -----Original Message----- From: Hyena [mailto:hyena@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Saragrace Knauf' Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Good morning - there is no such thing as 100% silk velvet - it is all a mix and ours is the highest silk content available at 20% silk, 80% rayon. Hope this helps! Delight Underwood HYENA http://www.hyenaproductions.com -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:31 AM To: info@hyenaproductions.com Subject: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Saragrace "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:23:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJNAHP019239 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJLLUw008263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJLKbA013086; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJLIbA013071 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Rd41-0002FE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:21:17 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c33373$4b57d990$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001b01c33372$809eb980$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Duh, I kept getting this bounced and when I finally got it through I forgot to ask my question! I have been having this exchange with someone saying they are selling pure silk velvet on their site. They then are telling me there is no such thing. So have any of you actually put your hands on pure silk velvet? Or have we all been beign duped by the folks who say they are weaving pure silk velvet? (Some how I doubt this, but....) Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:16 PM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~This is a common misconception. Just because a website makes a claim ~doesn't make it true. We have worked with this company before. Their ~price is high on this not because it is 100% silk in the velvet part of ~this pattern - but because it is a cutout brocade pattern. But you as ~the consumer have to make your own judgements. Our prices are lower ~because 1) we are offering a solid basic silk velvet and also because we ~offer wholesale prices to the public. E-lexus is strictly a retailer. ~ ~ ~Thanks again. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~-----Original Message----- ~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM ~To: 'Hyena' ~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~Huh, that isn't true. Here is some: ~http://www.e-luxus-agnesalauzet.com/velours_us/pres/frm_pres.asp?col=Gr e ~nadine ~I didn't think yours was because of the price, but thanks anyway. ~ ~Sg ~ ~-----Original Message----- ~From: Hyena [mailto:hyena@sbcglobal.net] ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:47 AM ~To: 'Saragrace Knauf' ~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~Good morning - there is no such thing as 100% silk velvet - it is all a ~mix and ours is the highest silk content available at 20% silk, 80% ~rayon. ~Hope this helps! ~ ~Delight Underwood ~HYENA ~http://www.hyenaproductions.com ~ ~ ~ ~-----Original Message----- ~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:31 AM ~To: info@hyenaproductions.com ~Subject: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~Saragrace ~ ~ ~ ~"The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" ~Isocrates ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:25:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJPvHP019243 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJOCUw008612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJOCbA014603; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJNWbA014219 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Rd6B-0004kj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:23:31 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:23:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:21 PM ~To: 'Historical Costume' ~Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~ ~Duh, I kept getting this bounced and when I finally got it through I forgot to ask my ~question! ~ ~I have been having this exchange with someone saying they are selling pure silk ~velvet on their site. They then are telling me there is no such thing. So have any of ~you actually put your hands on pure silk velvet? Or have we all been beign duped ~by the folks who say they are weaving pure silk velvet? (Some how I doubt this, ~but....) ~ ~Sg ~ ~~-----Original Message----- ~~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~~Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:16 PM ~~To: h-costume@indra.com ~~Subject: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~~ ~~This is a common misconception. Just because a website makes a claim ~~doesn't make it true. We have worked with this company before. Their ~~price is high on this not because it is 100% silk in the velvet part of ~~this pattern - but because it is a cutout brocade pattern. But you as ~~the consumer have to make your own judgements. Our prices are lower ~~because 1) we are offering a solid basic silk velvet and also because we ~~offer wholesale prices to the public. E-lexus is strictly a retailer. ~~ ~~ ~~Thanks again. ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~-----Original Message----- ~~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM ~~To: 'Hyena' ~~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~~ ~~Huh, that isn't true. Here is some: ~~http://www.e-luxus-agnesalauzet.com/velours_us/pres/frm_pres.asp?col=G re ~~nadine ~~I didn't think yours was because of the price, but thanks anyway. ~~ ~~Sg ~~ ~~-----Original Message----- ~~From: Hyena [mailto:hyena@sbcglobal.net] ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:47 AM ~~To: 'Saragrace Knauf' ~~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~~ ~~Good morning - there is no such thing as 100% silk velvet - it is all a ~~mix and ours is the highest silk content available at 20% silk, 80% ~~rayon. ~~Hope this helps! ~~ ~~Delight Underwood ~~HYENA ~~http://www.hyenaproductions.com ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~-----Original Message----- ~~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:31 AM ~~To: info@hyenaproductions.com ~~Subject: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~~ ~~Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? ~~ ~~Saragrace ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~"The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" ~~Isocrates ~~ ~~_______________________________________________ ~~h-costume mailing list ~~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:40:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJecHP019279 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:40:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJcmUw009926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJclbA021427; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJcibA021396 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 37F065EE245 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:38:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007e01c33376$227227d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question UPDATE Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:41:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Lorelei. Congratulations, you did very well. It is very very difficult to embroider that tecknique on linen, i think it is very nice. Now have fun with the shirt, and remember to post pictures two :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Helena of Snakenborg Embroidery Question UPDATE > Thank you guys! All of your suggestions and advice made my life much, much > easier... I started the embroidery last night, here's the first of my efforts: > http://members.aol.com/loreleimorte/helena7.html > > It's my first crewel-ish embroidery, so be gentle, k? :) > > -Sarra Wryght > Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html > Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:43:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJhOHP019288 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:43:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJfdUw010058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJfcbA022565; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5FJfIbA022462 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 522 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 19:41:17 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 19:41:17 -0000 Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-170.sonic.net [209.148.112.170]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6p2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id h5FJfGs10365 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:41:16 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030615122910.00b0ec68@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:42:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? In-Reply-To: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is true that most of the modern silk velvet is mostly rayon. I have handled a lot of chiffon silk velvet from the 1920s and thereabouts, and a lot of heavier Edwardian and Victorian silk velvet. Antique silk velvet tends to be less shiny than modern rayon velvet. It does have a very nice hand, but the rayon isn't bad. The silk base/rayon pile modern velvet is often actually a pretty good approximation of 1920s-ish chiffon velvet. The all-rayon velvets I've seen--the somewhat heavier velvets with a rayon back as well as pile--tend to be not only shinier but slipperier to sew than Victorian/Edwardian velvets. For a modern approximation of those, I'd lean to a 100% cotton velvet. BTW, rayon can be made to be less shiny, it's just that some velvet manufacturers don't seem to do it. I have also seen modern 100% silk upholstery weight silk velvet at the Silk Trading Company. I have never seen modern clothing weight velvet (you might be able to use upholstery weight velvet for heavy coats, but I trust people know what I mean). I am dubious of the ebay sellers who claim to carry 100% silk velvet. As silk prices have really come down in the last few years, I also see no reason why silk velvet is not more available. Except, it isn't. BTW, I got my two silk brocade swatches from Hyena. They do seem to be pure silk and they are clothing (not upholstery) weight. Fran At 12:23 PM 6/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk >velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:46:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJkkHP019300 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJixUw010264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJiwbA023789; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5FJiubA023774 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14797 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 19:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.166.66.21) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 19:44:55 -0000 Message-ID: <00b201c33376$9a95ec60$1542a6d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk > velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? > Somehow I doubt that velvets from the Renaissance were 80% rayon. But someone posted today about linen velvet - that I've never heard of. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:51:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJpOHP019318 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJnaUw010467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJnZbA025376; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJnXbA025348 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A18535EE374 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:49:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008601c33377$a700acf0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:52:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace, You know, i think it is the same matter as to the fine linens. Why dont any manufacture fine linen thread for lace? Because there are not enough costumers for it! Bobbin lacers would not pay the high price it would cost, and therefore the manufacturers stopped making it. Now all bobbin lacers makes the fine point ground laces with gassed cotton thread. Remember it is "money makes the world go arround" I saw a picture of the royal family wearing some velvet cloaks, for a kind of seremonial occation, Oxford Univercity or something, and it looked like real silk velvet, but i dont know if there is a place where they weave such a thing occationally for the royalty! If you were going to make a costume in silk velvet, it would cost you a farm! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk > velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? > > "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > Isocrates > > > ~-----Original Message----- > ~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] > ~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:21 PM > ~To: 'Historical Costume' > ~Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap > rayon? > ~ > ~Duh, I kept getting this bounced and when I finally got it through I > forgot to ask my > ~question! > ~ > ~I have been having this exchange with someone saying they are selling > pure silk > ~velvet on their site. They then are telling me there is no such thing. > So have any of > ~you actually put your hands on pure silk velvet? Or have we all been > beign duped > ~by the folks who say they are weaving pure silk velvet? (Some how I > doubt this, > ~but....) > ~ > ~Sg > ~ > ~~-----Original Message----- > ~~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > ~~Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:16 PM > ~~To: h-costume@indra.com > ~~Subject: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap > rayon? > ~~ > ~~This is a common misconception. Just because a website makes a claim > ~~doesn't make it true. We have worked with this company before. Their > ~~price is high on this not because it is 100% silk in the velvet part > of > ~~this pattern - but because it is a cutout brocade pattern. But you as > ~~the consumer have to make your own judgements. Our prices are lower > ~~because 1) we are offering a solid basic silk velvet and also because > we > ~~offer wholesale prices to the public. E-lexus is strictly a retailer. > ~~ > ~~ > ~~Thanks again. > ~~ > ~~ > ~~ > ~~ > ~~-----Original Message----- > ~~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] > ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM > ~~To: 'Hyena' > ~~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > ~~ > ~~Huh, that isn't true. Here is some: > ~~http://www.e-luxus-agnesalauzet.com/velours_us/pres/frm_pres.asp?col=G > re > ~~nadine > ~~I didn't think yours was because of the price, but thanks anyway. > ~~ > ~~Sg > ~~ > ~~-----Original Message----- > ~~From: Hyena [mailto:hyena@sbcglobal.net] > ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:47 AM > ~~To: 'Saragrace Knauf' > ~~Subject: RE: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > ~~ > ~~Good morning - there is no such thing as 100% silk velvet - it is all > a > ~~mix and ours is the highest silk content available at 20% silk, 80% > ~~rayon. > ~~Hope this helps! > ~~ > ~~Delight Underwood > ~~HYENA > ~~http://www.hyenaproductions.com > ~~ > ~~ > ~~ > ~~-----Original Message----- > ~~From: Saragrace Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] > ~~Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:31 AM > ~~To: info@hyenaproductions.com > ~~Subject: Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > ~~ > ~~Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? > ~~ > ~~Saragrace > ~~ > ~~ > ~~ > ~~"The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > ~~Isocrates > ~~ > ~~_______________________________________________ > ~~h-costume mailing list > ~~h-costume@mail.indra.com > ~~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 15:54:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJs9HP019322 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:54:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJqPUw010700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJqObA026453; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FJqKbA026408 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A096E5EE453 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009201c33378$0b3dafb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:55:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] silk velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. When i was at the ball in Bath, Sir James was wearing a very nice costume made in fake silk velvet. It was sooooooooo beautifull and it looked very like the real thing. So rayon velvet, can be very beautifull two! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 16:06:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FK6bHP019362 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FK4nUw011337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FK4lBx000994; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:04:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5FK4iBx000942 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12875 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Jun 2003 20:04:34 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.06544 secs); 15 Jun 2003 20:04:34 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.06544 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 20:04:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen velvet In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615111821.00a17950@pop3.lfchosting.com> Message-ID: <20030615160301.P13800-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen linen velvet washed; it made the fabric a bit rougher, and more like upholstery velvet, than the shiny and flat unwashed linen velvet. This was velvet with a linen backing and rayon nap. Is the nap of your fabric linen or rayon? Drea On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, MaryAnn Jones wrote: > I bought some linen velvet at a good price. (okay, it was still more than > I have ever spent for a fabric) and I am going to make some Elizabethans > out of it. The question is... can I wash it? and how, if I can? In the > washing machine? > > thanks, maryann > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 16:20:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FKKRHP019392 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FKHgUw012084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FKHfBx006181; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80401.mail.yahoo.com (web80401.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5FKHbBx006124 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030615201732.49735.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:17:32 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002001c33373$4b57d990$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Duh, I kept getting this bounced and when I finally > got it through I > forgot to ask my question! > > I have been having this exchange with someone saying > they are selling > pure silk velvet on their site. They then are > telling me there is no > such thing. So have any of you actually put your > hands on pure silk > velvet? Or have we all been beign duped by the > folks who say they are > weaving pure silk velvet? (Some how I doubt this, > but....) > > Sg > Most of what I've been able to examine has been silk velvet ribbon, and 1 cloak of silk upholstery-weight velvet. As Fran said, it's more similar to very good cotton velvet than modern rayon velvet. I don't care for the current silk/rayon velvet because it's very limp. I'm also cheap, so if I was going to buy silk/rayon velvet, I'd probably order it from Silk Connection (aka Rupert Gibbon & Spider), as it's less than 1/2 the price that Hyena is charging, and only 2% less silk. It only comes in 2 colors (black and white), but is easily dyed. Speaking of rayon velvet... I've just discovered that I have 5 yards of dark green rayon velvet. Any ideas on what to turn it into? Or shall I just give it a good steaming (it has a couple of creases), and sell it on eBay? Thanks! Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 17:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FL9BHP019547 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:09:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FL2uUw015034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FL2rBQ024384; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5FL2oBQ024350 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ReeH-0001lg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:02:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk velvet Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c33381$7a902290$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <009201c33378$0b3dafb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree that the rayon/silk is beautiful. I was just surprised by the conviction this person had that there was no such thing as 100% silk velvet. (I also thought it was interesting that they said not to believe it just because it was advertised as such on the internet-maybe because they advertise theirs as being pure silk when it isn't???) I was also surprised that they thought they were offering it at such a good price....as someone else pointed out you can get it un-dyed for $11.00 yard and dyed for as little as $17.00 yard. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 20:25:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0PDHP019932 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0MTUw027589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0MT7N011776; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5G0JE7N010319 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17101 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 00:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.166.66.250) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 00:19:13 -0000 Message-ID: <010301c3339c$ec667c00$c742a6d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:19:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5G0PDHP019932 Status: RO I know I wouldn't submit my picture to this site http://www.amiperiodornot.com/ but it is a somewhat amusing concept. Unfortunately, those who need a negative answer to this question haven't been submitting either :-) Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 20:28:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0SFHP019937 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0JHUw027350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0JE7N010324; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G0JA7O010287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5G0JHHe016466 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:19:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5G0JHCu016464 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:19:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Piping was:Tunic Diary Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:19:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000001c33356$005f3770$6401a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306152019.17309.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5G0JA7O010287 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 15 June 2003 02:42 pm, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 8:51 AM -0700 6/15/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >I wonder if it was one of those 'lost arts'. Anyone else know of its > >use a little later? I suppose one could use the logic that if the > >Egyptians used it and we see it later on in the Renaissance then it > >could be one of those 'givens'. Would be nice to see some > >documentation on it though.... > > The problem is that that kind of logic can be shown to be faulty. > Take tattoos, for instance. You've got examples of tattoos in Europe > in the Stone Age (the Iceman) and from around the 19th century on, > but it's pretty easily demonstrable that the modern fad for tattoos > was imported from other parts of the world and not part of a > continuous tradition. The modern "fad" is not part of any Western tradition, but knowledge of tattooing in the West is old. I have found a book of essays, called "Written on the Body: The Tattoo in European and American History" (Jane Caplan, ed. Princeton University Press 2000). The essays indicate that, in classical Rome, tattooing was reserved for criminals and other outcasts, and later uses of tattooing in the West followed this tradition until the discovery of tattooing out in the South Pacific islands aroused new interest in the practice. But this illustrates that Heather is right; just because a technology for dress or adornment exists in a particular period doesn't mean it was either commonly known or used. -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 21:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1O8HP020213 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1LEUw002216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1LCeM008514; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.mn.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1L9eM008490 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail2.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:07 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030615202305.02dd6c60@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:23:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? In-Reply-To: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:23 PM 6/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk >velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? > >"The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" >Isocrates Yes, there is silk velvet. Jack Lenor Larson, does an entire upholstery line of silk velvet and it is the yummiest stuff! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 15 21:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1QxHP020216 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:27:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1OFUw002467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1OFeM009708; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.mn.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G1L9eM008494 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail2.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:07 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030615202455.02ddaeb0@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:25:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? In-Reply-To: <00b201c33376$9a95ec60$1542a6d0@castlebooks> References: <002101c33373$9af578e0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:44 PM 6/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap >rayon? > > > Oh and the second half of the question is, if there is no real pure silk > > velvet, why not? Surely it can be made?? > > >Somehow I doubt that velvets from the Renaissance were 80% rayon. But >someone posted today about linen velvet - that I've never heard of. > >Janet There was also wool velvet - I've recently found reference being used in either late 16th or early 17th century England but off the top of my head I can't remember where the reference is... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 00:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G4hIHP020637 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:43:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G4fHUw018734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G4f1EV006058; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G4etEV005960 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.169]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h5G50KP24335 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:00:21 +1000 Message-ID: <00a601c333c1$f3639400$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010301c3339c$ec667c00$c742a6d0@castlebooks> Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:44:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Of course it all depends on the people who are judging, and what they know about what they're looking at. I'm very tempted to put in pictures of a couple of my latest creations. It is indeed a fun concept. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Davis" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts > I know I wouldn't submit my picture to this site http://www.amiperiodornot.com/ but it is a somewhat amusing concept. Unfortunately, those who need a negative answer to this question haven't been submitting either :-) > > Janet > > Janet Davis > Castle Furnishings > http://www.medievalbookstore.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 01:34:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G5Y4HP020851 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G5WHUw023401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G5WGCK000377; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stanford.loosefoot.com (stanford.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G5WCCK000356 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bernie.loosefoot.com (bernie.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.243]) by stanford.loosefoot.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 43E5C162EB8 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:32:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 3358 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 05:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mabion.spublofe.com) (12.246.76.5) by bernie.loosefoot.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 05:32:11 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615223007.00a19d10@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: mabse/spublofe.com@pop3.lfchosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:31:27 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200306152007.h5FK7hC1002205@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 329 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:07 PM 6/15/2003 -0600, you wrote: >This was velvet with a linen backing and rayon nap. Is the nap of your >fabric linen or rayon? I am not sure if I responded to this. I think that it is part cotton. I know that there is no rayon. I am going to do a test piece, because I do not want to lose the nice shiny flat look. thanks, maryann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 03:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G7AoHP015969 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G795Uw001649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G793gv015537; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from app3.nasc.inter.net (nasc-out-1.nasc.inter.net [203.176.60.253]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G792gv015478 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust200.tnt23.toronto.on.da.uu.net ([64.10.99.200] helo=vienna.localdomain) by app3.nasc.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Ro6p-0000BP-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:08:56 -0400 Received: from cedar by vienna.localdomain with local (Exim 3.36 #5 (Red Hat Linux)) id 19RkTP-0006Oh-00 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:15:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:15:59 -0400 From: Christine Robb To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? Message-ID: <20030616031559.GE9809@vienna.bellnexxia.net> References: <200306151801.h5FI0q0O009521@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306151801.h5FI0q0O009521@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 12:01:03PM -0600, Brenda wrote: > "Saragrace Knauf" wrote: > > >In poking around the internet I came across this picture. I don't think > >the things in question have anything to do with costume, but there are > >some neat ones on the site. > >http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/090.htm > > Don't know about those bumps, but that is one really cool site. (For those > of you who managed to miss it, the main page/page d'acceuil is > "Gastronome M?di?vale" > (Medieval Gastronomy) and it's all about food and how it integrated into > Medieval life.) Lots of images and lots of info. There is a limited version of it in English as well, at : http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/enimages/anglais/index.htm And thank you all for all your tips about cleaning wool a while back. Christine ECD in TO http://www.interlog.com/~cedar _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 03:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G7HUHP017173 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G7FkUw001984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G7Fjgv018086; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G7Fggw018042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.74.114.4] (helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19RoDJ-0000vk-H3 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:15:37 +0100 Received: from [62.254.246.53] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:13:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:13:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3ED766E40001C636@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> In-Reply-To: <200306152007.h5FK7hC0002205@net.indra.com> From: "Rachel" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5G7Fggw018042 Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to order basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best quote I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus VAT and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment at least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see anything less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine article. If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass on the details. Rachel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 04:03:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G83GHP004243 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:03:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G81RUw004525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5G81Pt1004052; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5G81Nt1003996 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030616080118.59600.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:18 BST Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030615201732.49735.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > I've just discovered that I have 5 yards of dark green > rayon velvet. Any ideas on what to turn it into? Or > shall I just give it a good steaming (it has a couple > of creases), and sell it on eBay? What a shame you are on another continent! I just said to Teddy that I am looking for a nice dark green velvet for an artistic teagown made with the La Mode Bagatelle pattern. Poots! Would have bought it off you, but postage is too much. :-( Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 08:55:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GCt4HP024584 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:55:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GCr8Uw022679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GCr1u4020206; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GCqwu4020171 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-118.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.118] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RtTl-0007T2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:52:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c33408$4eb25a80$760e77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ED766E40001C636@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:07:56 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd like the details Rachel. Not that I'm ordering any, but this sort of info is handy to have up one's sleeve. Thanks, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet > Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to order > basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best quote > I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus VAT > and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment at > least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see anything > less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine article. > If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass on > the details. > > Rachel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 10:24:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEOCHP026069 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEMLUw000121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEMJYZ003363; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEMGYZ003290 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633FC19FD3E for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:22:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:25:04 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes it is finished!!!!! http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 10:26:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEQYHP026159 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:26:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEOnUw000348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEOmYZ004674; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from newbabe.mengwong.com (newbabe.mengwong.com [208.210.125.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEOiYZ004654 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by newbabe.mengwong.com (Postfix, from userid 669) id 031011F683; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:24:43 -0400 From: "Katherine Rowberd (Kirrily Robert)" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Message-ID: <20030616142443.GB24886@infotrope.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm the person responsible for that website. Someone suggested it to me on Friday and I just had to do it! I was wondering how long it would take to show up here :) Anyway, I hope you find it entertaining. Yours, Kirrily (SCA: Katherine Rowberd) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 10:28:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GESLHP026165 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:28:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEQdUw000473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEQcYZ005709; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEQbYZ005660 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.6f.39d531db (16335) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:26:28 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.39d531db.2c1f2d94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:26:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/16/2003 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > Yes it is finished!!!!! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > OH MY GOD! That is gorgeous! Jen needs to do a Festive Attyre thing on you! Holy Sh** that is beautiful! -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 10:46:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEkoHP026246 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:46:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEivUw002027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GEitYZ015481; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GEiqYZ015407 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCot5x3QjQ4pKoWoQ876dYJjUOY0sk0lK2w==">; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:44:20 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2S7822S; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:44:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:12:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! Message-ID: <20030616.081235.-105683733.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your partlet is fabulous! The dress is lovely as well. Even in the less than perfect pictures, the outfit looks terrific. I can't wait to see what the good pictures look like! Well done! Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF30HP026297 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:03:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF14Uw003751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF13iZ025109; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF10iZ025067 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RvTe-0006cc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:00:59 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c33418$18b684a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001c01c33408$4eb25a80$760e77d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5GF10iZ025067 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too please!! Sg "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Lisa Sinervo ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:08 AM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet ~ ~I'd like the details Rachel. Not that I'm ordering any, but this sort of ~info is handy to have up one's sleeve. ~ ~Thanks, ~ ~Lisa ~ ~----- Original Message ----- ~From: "Rachel" ~To: ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:13 AM ~Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet ~ ~ ~> Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to order ~> basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best quote ~> I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus VAT ~> and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment at ~> least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see anything ~> less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine article. ~> If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass on ~> the details. ~> ~> Rachel ~> ~> ~> _______________________________________________ ~> h-costume mailing list ~> h-costume@mail.indra.com ~> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:07:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF7hHP026305 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF4vUw004187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF4uiZ027440; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF4piZ027379 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RvXN-0004GO-00; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:04:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c33418$a2341e90$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030616142443.GB24886@infotrope.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: "'Lisa Sinervo'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it is a great idea. I wonder if you could work up some criteria for people to go by? Lisa Sinervo is working on some, or perhaps a couple of laurels could put their heads together to put up what they go by....looking forward to seeing how it develops! "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Katherine Rowberd (Kirrily Robert) ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:25 AM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts ~ ~I'm the person responsible for that website. Someone suggested it to me ~on Friday and I just had to do it! I was wondering how long it would ~take to show up here :) ~ ~Anyway, I hope you find it entertaining. ~ ~Yours, ~ ~Kirrily ~(SCA: Katherine Rowberd) ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:09:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF9MHP026308 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:09:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF6bUw004379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF6aiZ028489; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GF6XiZ028466 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19RvZ1-0006gD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:06:33 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:06:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c33418$dec72b40$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030616.081235.-105683733.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had to LOL at myself. I found myself holding my breath while I waited for the images to load! It looks great. What is it like to wear it? Does it feel funny or does it shift around much? The whole ensemble looks great. Nice work! Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of seamstrix@juno.com ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:13 AM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! ~ ~Your partlet is fabulous! The dress is lovely as well. Even in the less ~than perfect pictures, the outfit looks terrific. I can't wait to see ~what the good pictures look like! Well done! ~ ~ ~Karen ~ ~________________________________________________________________ ~The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! ~Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ~Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFDfHP026321 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:13:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFASUw004751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFARiZ001208; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFANiZ001148 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Rvck-0004Pg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:10:22 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c33419$68bd77a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030616080118.59600.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aren't those great patterns! I don't care much for the Regency style, but I have the Artistic Reform Tea gown. http://lamodebagatelle.com/art.htm I want to make it for my cousin who has this lovely 'plantation' in the south... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:18:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFHxHP026329 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFAeUw004781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFAdiZ001332; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFAaiZ001248 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1868410EFAD for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a9c01c33419$6c1d1d60$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, it's exquisite. It really is a masterpiece. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! > Hi, > > Yes it is finished!!!!! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > > Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:28:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFSWHP026353 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:28:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFOSUw006074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFOQiZ009542; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80408.mail.yahoo.com (web80408.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GFOKiZ009418 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030616152415.47862.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:15 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030616080118.59600.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > > > I've just discovered that I have 5 yards of dark > green > > rayon velvet. Any ideas on what to turn it into? > Or > > shall I just give it a good steaming (it has a > couple > > of creases), and sell it on eBay? > > What a shame you are on another continent! I just > said to Teddy that I am > looking for a nice dark green velvet for an artistic > teagown made with the La > Mode Bagatelle pattern. Poots! Would have bought it > off you, but postage is too > much. :-( > > Nicole After seeing the patterns, can I steal your idea? I'm thinking maybe cream-colored silk with the dark green velvet... Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:32:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFW7HP026370 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFIxUw005513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFIviZ006307; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFIriZ006226 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B4019FF6C for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EEDE086.6080807@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:21:42 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! References: <000501c33418$dec72b40$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, It is hot!!! Perfectly for cold winters :-) . I can't move my head a lot. It is a lot cooler and better to wear when I wear it open. Because I only wore it to make the pictures I don't know if it will get uncomfertable. I put the dress on by my self witch is almost impossible to do. It didn't fit right. I think I made the partlet a too long in the back. Many of the buttons are under my dress. It feals a bit like chainmail Because it is so heavy. But it stay's well on the schoulders. I am happy you like it :-) :-) Greetings, Deredere Saragrace Knauf wrote: >I had to LOL at myself. I found myself holding my breath while I waited >for the images to load! It looks great. What is it like to wear it? >Does it feel funny or does it shift around much? The whole ensemble >looks great. Nice work! > >Sg > >~-----Original Message----- >~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On >~Behalf Of seamstrix@juno.com >~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:13 AM >~To: h-costume@indra.com >~Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! >~ >~Your partlet is fabulous! The dress is lovely as well. Even in the less >~than perfect pictures, the outfit looks terrific. I can't wait to see >~what the good pictures look like! Well done! >~ >~ >~Karen >~ >~________________________________________________________________ >~The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >~Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >~Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >~_______________________________________________ >~h-costume mailing list >~h-costume@mail.indra.com >~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:36:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFaPHP026397 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:36:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFXWUw007104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFXUiZ015422; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFXRiZ015326 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.15.138b0724 (4184) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15.138b0724.2c1f3d3f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:33:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/16/2003 10:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . > Yummy! Look, If you're all alone and need a picture, here's what you do. Surely you have a self timer on the camera. Position the camera so it's steady on a table or, if it needs to be higher, a stack of books or something. Just so it won't move. Put a chair or lamp of something where you're gonna stand and look through the camera to get it positioned and focused. Now a cable to trip the shudder will be helpful here, but you don't need one. Carefully trip the shudder and use the 10 seconds you usually have with a self timer to get into place. It's longer than you think. Smile. CLICK! I don't mean to treat you like an idiot or anything, but you'd be surprised at how many people don't think to do this kind of thing. They think "picture=snapshot" and forget that a long, complicated set up is where a lot of great photos come from. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:39:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFdZHP026407 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFZ3Uw007305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFZ1iZ016446; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFYwiZ016401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27114 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:57:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:57:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-Reply-To: <000401c33418$a2341e90$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I think it is a great idea. I wonder if you could work up some > criteria for people to go by? Lisa Sinervo is working on some, or > perhaps a couple of laurels could put their heads together to put up > what they go by....looking forward to seeing how it develops! Ah, but that would spoil it ;-) I get the impression that the site is really about, well, impressions -- that is, would the average SCA member, seeing you at an event, get a "period" feel from your visual look? Do you contribute to the period atmosphere on a gut level, for people who may not be "educated" enough to understand the details and decisions of your clothing? That's very different from situations where you provide documentation and explain the details and reasons for what you've done, which is what happens in competitions, classes, and formal displays. Those activities can educate the group members and raise standards over the long run, of course. The responses on this site say as much about the general knowledge level of the respondents as they do about the clothing of the individuals. I don't see it as an assessment only of the clothes, or as any sort of valid competition for costume quality -- more of a "finger on the pulse" of the community level of understanding. A Pre-Raphaelite costume made of modern materials might actually score well, if it has a "look" that the audience interprets as "medieval." And while that may not be great historic costuming, it can contribute positively to the other participants' experience because of how it affects the atmosphere of an event. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 11:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFl3HP026432 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFfFUw008034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFfAiZ020574; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GFf8iZ020550 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Rw6T-0002AL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:41:07 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:41:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c3341d$b35c9170$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good point, I had not thought of it that way! Sg ~ ~Ah, but that would spoil it ;-) [.............................." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 13:29:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHTaHP026907 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHRZUw020020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHRVwu006751; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHRSwu006624 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VALINOR ([65.50.96.88]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030616172722.JIMY487659.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:27:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701c3342c$89e49450$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ED766E40001C636@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:27:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [65.50.96.88] using ID at Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favourite local fabric store, Designer Fabrics (www.designerfabrics.to), carries 100% silk velvet for approx. $140 Canadian/metre (and it's really narrow fabric). Alas....if only I had that kind of cash to throw around... -- Maral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet > Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to order > basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best quote > I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus VAT > and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment at > least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see anything > less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine article. > If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass on > the details. > > Rachel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 13:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHoJHP027082 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHmVUw022839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHmTwu022591; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHmOwv022519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-101-100.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.101.100])h5GHnWAe004745 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:49:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:48:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00c701c3342c$89e49450$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5GHmOwv022519 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What category is it under? or is it not on the website? I don't see it under silks or velvets. On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Herself-the-Elf wrote: > My favourite local fabric store, Designer Fabrics > (www.designerfabrics.to), > carries 100% silk velvet for approx. $140 Canadian/metre (and it's > really > narrow fabric). Alas....if only I had that kind of cash to throw > around... > > -- Maral > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rachel" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:13 AM > Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet > > >> Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to >> order >> basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best >> quote >> I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus >> VAT >> and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment >> at >> least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see >> anything >> less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine >> article. >> If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass >> on >> the details. >> >> Rachel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 14:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI0nHP027194 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHs3Uw023652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GHs1wu026893; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GHrxwu026810 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWllHADLlMNV89/UIzdKb83n09kTHqOhGNA==">; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:53:28 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2TJ3CSR; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:53:28 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! Message-ID: <20030616.135300.-270247.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fantastic. The whole gown and partlet are beautiful!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 14:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI42HP027212 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI2FUw024932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI2Cpn003919; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI0apn002531 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.47.2f2d3102 (16930) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <47.2f2d3102.2c1f5fb9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/16/03 11:40:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Ah, but that would spoil it ;-) I'm going to chirp in and say that Robin's probably right- the site's very funny and (dare I say it?) "useful" as is. Especially since I remember "amihotornot.com". By the way, Robin.... how would you feel about coming and speaking at Carnegie Mellon sometime in the fall? We've got an SCA chapter, and I'm *dying* to hear the two lectures that I missed at CostumeCon. Especially since I've been wanting to make a sideless surcoat and undergown. Pittsburgh is a central location, too! (Well, no. Not really. I'm just trying to be persuasive. Did it work?) Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 14:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI7rHP027222 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:07:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI61Uw025449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI60pn006723; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GI5upn006626 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VALINOR ([65.50.96.88]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030616180550.JTKN171206.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <012801c33431$e9bc00c0$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [65.50.96.88] using ID at Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:05:50 -0400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think they have everything on the website...I've seen the velvet in their store, though, so if you email them they can probably help. -- Maral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet > What category is it under? or is it not on the website? > > I don't see it under silks or velvets. > > > On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Herself-the-Elf wrote: > > > My favourite local fabric store, Designer Fabrics > > (www.designerfabrics.to), > > carries 100% silk velvet for approx. $140 Canadian/metre (and it's > > really > > narrow fabric). Alas....if only I had that kind of cash to throw > > around... > > > > -- Maral > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rachel" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:13 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet > > > > > >> Silk velvet is indeed still available although only on a weave to > >> order > >> basis. I can get hold of some but it is very expensive. The best > >> quote > >> I have got is actually from silk handweavers at £205 per metre plus > >> VAT > >> and shipping. The won't do any less than a metre. So for the moment > >> at > >> least it is out of most peoples pockets. Basically if you see > >> anything > >> less than about £100 per metre it is unlikely to be the genuine > >> article. > >> If anyone wants to order some from my source I will be happy to pass > >> on > >> the details. > >> > >> Rachel > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 14:30:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIU5HP027291 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:30:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIS3Uw000146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIS1pn024486; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIRupn024427 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28045 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-Reply-To: <47.2f2d3102.2c1f5fb9@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > By the way, Robin.... how would you feel about coming and speaking at > Carnegie Mellon sometime in the fall? We've got an SCA chapter, and > I'm *dying* to hear the two lectures that I missed at CostumeCon. > Especially since I've been wanting to make a sideless surcoat and > undergown. Pittsburgh is a central location, too! (Well, no. Not > really. I'm just trying to be persuasive. Did it work?) I've responded to Christine directly, but I should probably note that I don't set up my own lecture trips, so I don't decide where I'll be going. If a group wants to bring me out, I'm happy to work with them to make that happen. Upcoming plans: I'll be in Seattle in August, Denver in October (as a guest speaker at the SCA's Known World Costume Symposium), and Boston in November. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 14:56:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIuBHP027458 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIsOUw002964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIsKpn012848; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zinc (zinc.btinternet.com [194.73.73.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GIsFpn012791 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host217-39-15-216.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.15.216] helo=dan) by zinc with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Rz7O-0005NA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:54:14 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c33438$a8d5c260$d80f27d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:54:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, It's magnificent! yours, in awe, Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! > Hi, > > Yes it is finished!!!!! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > > Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 15:34:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJYMHP027672 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJWSUw007532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJWPEA010824; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f151.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJWMEA010738 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:32:17 -0700 Received: from 151.199.158.192 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:32:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.199.158.192] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:32:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2003 19:32:17.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF2685F0:01C3343D] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought the "velvet" part related technically to how the fabric was cut, so rayon velvet is made of rayon fibers and cut to have a nap, so you could have velvet made of any type of fabric in theory. I expect we see mostly rayon because that's the cheapest type to produce. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >> > >>Somehow I doubt that velvets from the Renaissance were 80% rayon. But >>someone posted today about linen velvet - that I've never heard of. >> >>Janet > > >There was also wool velvet - I've recently found reference being used in >either late 16th or early 17th century England but off the top of my head I >can't remember where the reference is... > >Cheers, >Danielle _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 15:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJrtHP027756 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJq0Uw010025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJpwKN026414; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJptKN026264 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.57.1e46299f (15898) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.130]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v93.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a3eee1fd32a7; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:51:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:51:47 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1C1D40D9.14016F86.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Seven works of mercy - help! :) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi- I just recently became aware of a privately held Pieter Breughel the Younger (or contemporary) painting of the seven works of mercy. Cannot find a picture of it in books or anywhere else - anyone have a hint? Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 15:56:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJuPHP027764 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJsXUw010325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:54:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJsWKN028445; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GJsTKN028405 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29781 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 19:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.166.66.24) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 19:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <006c01c33441$1b63cdb0$1842a6d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ED766E40001C636@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <00c701c3342c$89e49450$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Silk Velvet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:54:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My favourite local fabric store, Designer Fabrics (www.designerfabrics.to), > carries 100% silk velvet for approx. $140 Canadian/metre (and it's really > narrow fabric). Thanks for posting the site (I think). Not that I need any more fabric or anything but they have some very nice things. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:02:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK2LHP027800 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:02:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK0PUw010947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK0KWa002976; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK07Wa002690 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C62BEE84 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:02:55 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am looking for more information of this portrait. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Weddingdress/images/rendress.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:10:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKASHP027826 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:10:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK8aUw012168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK8XWa009291; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-3.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.3] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GK88Wa008948 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail3.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3A7BE0072; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:08:07 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3A3647006A; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <013201c33443$22034a40$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:09:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just testing to see if this message goes through. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:18:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKI8HP027862 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGJUw013086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGGWa015221; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-3.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.3] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGCWa015161 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail3.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A58C34DC0060; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:16:12 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A58C6C5008C; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <013f01c33444$446fbd60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013201c33443$22034a40$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:17:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Eliza, Kimiko, and Robin for helping me find out what the problem was on my end. The problem has been resolved. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKIdHP027868 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:18:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGpUw013168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGoWa015683; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKGkWa015608 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (dialport41.tukwila.eskimo.net [208.187.159.233]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14397 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002b01c33444$4339fc80$e99fbbd0@bently> From: "David" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:17:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: "Robin Netherton" > > Upcoming plans: I'll be in Seattle in August, Where, and when in August? Pam Dotson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:54:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKsgHP027982 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:54:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKqjUw017388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKqdWa012206; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail2.mackie.com [12.144.237.152]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKqWWa012101 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:52:32 -0600 (MDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Thread-Index: AcM0RK3UCS/BSoVzTx6NE5raJy7yYAAAACMw From: "Colleen McDonald" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5GKqWWa012101 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Upcoming plans: I'll be in Seattle in August, Where, and when in August? Pam Dotson>> August 9th in Woodinville I can send you all of the details, if you'd like, Pam. I'm the one organizing the event ;-) If anyone else is interested, let me know and I will email the information privately. Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 16:55:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKtIHP027991 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKrUUw017544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKrMWa012947; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail2.mackie.com [12.144.237.152]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GKqWWc012101 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:52:35 -0600 (MDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anyone seen this source? Thread-Index: AcM0SIXtP/Cr+a8mQsK+K0A0QpkRqg== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5GKqWWc012101 Subject: [h-cost] Anyone seen this source? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found this book listed on www.abebooks.com this morning and I was wondering if anyone on this list actually seen it or could give me commentary on it? It sounds like it could have a lot of good stuff for what I'm researching, but $90 US is a lot to pay for a source when I don't know how useful it will be. KLESSE, Brigitte. Die Darstellung von Seidenstoffen auf italienischen Bildern des 14. Jahrhunderts. [Cologne?] 1958. [4] 128 [2]p. 15 x 21. Paper. - Dissertation; Universität Köln. A scholarly study & classification of the textile motifs found in 14th c Italian painting, especially in the depiction of costume. Extensive references throughout; bibl, p108-17. Important study, later expanded with illustrations & published in 1967. [CSROT 2516]. Bookseller Inventory #(IG354) Thanks! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLG8HP028054 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:16:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLEIUw020091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLEGcU028894; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLEEcU028864 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S1Iq-0005JW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:14:13 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this source? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:14:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c3344c$3c499540$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5GLEEcU028864 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No but, it also mean from silk fabric/textile goods. Which makes it even more interesting. "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Colleen McDonald ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:48 PM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: [h-cost] Anyone seen this source? ~ ~I found this book listed on www.abebooks.com this morning and I was wondering if ~anyone on this list actually seen it or could give me commentary on it? It sounds like ~it could have a lot of good stuff for what I'm researching, but $90 US is a lot to pay ~for a source when I don't know how useful it will be. ~ ~KLESSE, Brigitte. ~Die Darstellung von Seidenstoffen auf italienischen Bildern des 14. Jahrhunderts. ~[Cologne?] 1958. ~ [4] 128 [2]p. 15 x 21. Paper. - Dissertation; Universität Köln. A scholarly study ~& classification of the textile motifs found in 14th c Italian painting, especially in the ~depiction of costume. Extensive references throughout; bibl, p108-17. Important ~study, later expanded with illustrations & published in 1967. [CSROT 2516]. ~Bookseller Inventory #(IG354) ~ ~Thanks! ~ ~Colleen ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLUdHP028093 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:30:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLSnUw021903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:28:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLSlcU009652; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.attbi.com (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLSjcU009577 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20030616212837011007t75ge>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEE3687.2030801@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:28:39 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses References: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for more information of this portrait. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Weddingdress/images/rendress.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere Boucher, in 20,000 Years of Fashion, p 223, plate 443, gives this as Isabella of Portugal, Wife of Charles V, c. 1535 Madrid, Prado. By Titian scrumptious! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:39:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLdqHP028120 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:39:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLZsUw022828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLZqcU014970; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLZkcU014906 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-12hc5uq.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.23.218] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S1di-00028S-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3EEE385D.7040909@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:36:29 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > >>I think it is a great idea. I wonder if you could work up some >>criteria for people to go by? Lisa Sinervo is working on some, or >>perhaps a couple of laurels could put their heads together to put up >>what they go by....looking forward to seeing how it develops! > > > Ah, but that would spoil it ;-) > > I get the impression that the site is really about, well, impressions -- > that is, would the average SCA member, seeing you at an event, get a > "period" feel from your visual look? Do you contribute to the period > atmosphere on a gut level, for people who may not be "educated" enough to > understand the details and decisions of your clothing? > > That's very different from situations where you provide documentation and > explain the details and reasons for what you've done, which is what > happens in competitions, classes, and formal displays. Those activities > can educate the group members and raise standards over the long run, of > course. > > The responses on this site say as much about the general knowledge level > of the respondents as they do about the clothing of the individuals. I > don't see it as an assessment only of the clothes, or as any sort of valid > competition for costume quality -- more of a "finger on the pulse" of the > community level of understanding. A Pre-Raphaelite costume made of modern > materials might actually score well, if it has a "look" that the audience > interprets as "medieval." And while that may not be great historic > costuming, it can contribute positively to the other participants' > experience because of how it affects the atmosphere of an event. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:40:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLeVHP028126 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLbdUw023094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLbccU016352; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GLbZcU016297 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14804 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 21:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.inreach.com) (209.142.2.50) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 21:37:34 -0000 Received: from 162.119.64.111 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <13927.162.119.64.111.1055799454.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses From: To: In-Reply-To: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> References: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > > I am looking for more information of this portrait. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Weddingdress/images/rendress.jpg > The portrait is Isabella of Portugal. What else do you want to know? Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:52:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLq4HP028151 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLnxUw024529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLnwcU025108; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLnscU025073 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGL003B0GN4NR@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:18:43 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! In-reply-to: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616141640.00af8268@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow Deredere, That just looks wonderful! Congratulations on finishing this exquisite outfit. I am glad to see someone who has replicated this garment, and very well, too. You have given me something great to aspire to reach. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Kimiko At 04:25 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >Yes it is finished!!!!! >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 17:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLqEHP028154 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLoGUw024568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLoDcU025279; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GLnscW025073 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGL003B0GN4NR@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:34:30 -0700 From: Kimiko Small In-reply-to: <010301c3339c$ec667c00$c742a6d0@castlebooks> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616142434.02dd3df0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I have a question that may have been dealt with before, but I wanted to ask anyway. I was looking at the site http://www.amiperiodornot.com/details.mhtml?image_id=29, and the comment about the silk partlet "the parlet looks satin-y... is that just an artifact of the picture?" This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing this time period? Why or why not? I have a large image of Hans Holbein's "The Ambassadors", and the pink sleeves and underdoublet appear to be satin. Is this not the reality of the textiles of the period? Not to mention other paintings I have seen. Clouet's "Portrait of Francis I" is another that seems to show a shiny satin. I ask, because I want to do a nobles dress in silk charmeuse, which I think will be thick enough and soft enough, is breathable, dyeable and washable. However, if it is not appropriate, I would like to know which modern silks would be appropriate for replicating gowns of this time period. Thanks for any and all replies. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 18:05:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM5oHP028181 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:05:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM3uUw026084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM3rlC005615; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GM3mlC005530 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 44121 invoked by uid 1005); 16 Jun 2003 22:03:34 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.078145 secs); 16 Jun 2003 22:03:34 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.078145 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 22:03:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616142434.02dd3df0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030616180108.C25512-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing > this time period? Why or why not? Silk came in both shiny and non-shiny/duller weaves. Satin was a popular fabric of the time; their silk satin was much stiffer than the charmeuse silk you find nowadays. You can still buy heavy silk satin from places like Thai Silks, but you'll be shelling out $20 to $30/yd for the heavy stiff stuff that best replicates the 16th c. look. I've found that you can get a relatively accurate "look" by backing charmeuse satin with a stiff canvas or similar stiff fabric. Good luck, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 18:07:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM7PHP028185 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:07:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM5XUw026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM5WlC006967; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GM5TlC006924 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S26R-0005rq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:05:27 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:05:21 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c33453$64b09590$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616142434.02dd3df0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have lots of examples in my electronic stash of pictures representing shiny silk-totally period for a broad range of time within the renaissance. If you need examples I would be happy to send them to you or load them up on my (under-reconstruction) website. "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Kimiko Small ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:35 PM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? ~ ~Hi all, ~ ~I have a question that may have been dealt with before, but I wanted to ask ~anyway. ~ ~I was looking at the site ~http://www.amiperiodornot.com/details.mhtml?image_id=29, and the comment ~about the silk partlet "the parlet looks satin-y... is that just an ~artifact of the picture?" ~ ~This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing ~this time period? Why or why not? ~ ~I have a large image of Hans Holbein's "The Ambassadors", and the pink ~sleeves and underdoublet appear to be satin. Is this not the reality of the ~textiles of the period? Not to mention other paintings I have seen. ~Clouet's "Portrait of Francis I" is another that seems to show a shiny satin. ~ ~I ask, because I want to do a nobles dress in silk charmeuse, which I think ~will be thick enough and soft enough, is breathable, dyeable and washable. ~However, if it is not appropriate, I would like to know which modern silks ~would be appropriate for replicating gowns of this time period. ~ ~Thanks for any and all replies. ~ ~Kimiko ~ ~ ~Kimiko Small ~Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother ~kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com ~"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell ~ ~Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery ~http://www.costumegallery.com ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 18:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GMLmHP028200 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GMJvUw028114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GMJulC016820; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GMJplC016712 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.84.1341406f (15877) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-d13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.129]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v93.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e053eee427f11; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:19:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:19:43 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3AFFE677.0CF5E7CC.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think all of the judges should have IDs so you can rate the judges. :) Some of the comments suprised me more than the costumes. Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 19:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GN6FHP028353 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GN40Uw002811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GN3vq2016282; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5GN3sq2016245 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15178 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 23:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.166.66.178) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 23:03:53 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c3345b$9128bbe0$b242a6d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Web Gallery of Art http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/welcome.html has a nice large reproduction. The only information given about it is that it was commissioned by her husband Charles V in 1548, after the lady had been dead for 10 years! Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 19:52:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNqdHP028434 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNoSUw008891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNoPq2016153; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNoMq2016127 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S3jw-00009W-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:50:20 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:50:19 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c33462$0b8c2880$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c3345b$9128bbe0$b242a6d0@castlebooks> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never noticed it before on this portrait, but are those pins I see running up the bodice? "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Janet Davis ~Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:04 PM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses ~ ~The Web Gallery of Art http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/welcome.html has a nice ~large reproduction. The only information given about it is that it was ~commissioned by her husband Charles V in 1548, after the lady had been dead ~for 10 years! ~ ~Janet ~ ~Janet Davis ~Castle Furnishings ~http://www.medievalbookstore.com ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 20:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H00RHP028468 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNvjUw009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNvcGF020456; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GNvZGF020399 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S3qx-0003RF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:57:35 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:57:28 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c33463$0ee410a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c3345b$9128bbe0$b242a6d0@castlebooks> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Relationship of Isabel and Eleanor of Austria and Isabel or Portugal-Norris again.....was portrait of Spanish princess X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The portrait of Isabel by Titian has always made me wonder about the 'portrait' Norris has of Eleanor of Austria, Queen of Portugal on Plate XL (also on the cover). The two women look very much alike and I have never seen the 'real' portrait his painting is based on. Any one know if there really is a full portrait of Eleanor and if there is any relationship between her and Isabel? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 20:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0QTHP028552 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:26:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0OcUw012164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0OaGF006157; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [64.8.50.205] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0OYGF006057 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphia.net ([68.65.178.207]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030617002428.DUYU1549.mta11.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:24:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:24:27 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: rob and laurie gage To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200306161505.h5GF57ia027587@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <0E484518-A05A-11D7-AE12-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 330 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the v&a has an example of wool velvet in the textile display, c.16th c. on the far back wall of the first room. on the left. kind of a grey-blue... yeah, i think it's time to make the trip back:) laurie On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 11:05 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:25:55 -0500 > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap > rayon? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030615202455.02ddaeb0@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > There was also wool velvet - I've recently found reference being used > in > either late 16th or early 17th century England but off the top of my > head I > can't remember where the reference is... > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 20:34:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0YXHP028571 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:34:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0WHUw013144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0WGGF010752; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5H0WEGF010729 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617003213.71062.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.200.153] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:32:13 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is absolutely stunning,Deredere About how many hours of work did you lavish on this project? Albra Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, Yes it is finished!!!!! http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 20:38:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0cvHP028580 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0bEUw013775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0bDGF013799; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5H0bBGF013771 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617003710.71338.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.200.153] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:37:10 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000601c33419$68bd77a0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I, on the other hand, adore the Regency styles ---and used La Mode Bagatelle's patterns to make a whole wardrobe for a Regency weekend:) Yes, they are terrific patterns.One day --I hope to own the pattern for the Artistic Reform Tea Gown as well. Sigh!! Albra Saragrace Knauf wrote: Aren't those great patterns! I don't care much for the Regency style, but I have the Artistic Reform Tea gown. http://lamodebagatelle.com/art.htm I want to make it for my cousin who has this lovely 'plantation' in the south... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 20:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0xPHP028624 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0vbUw015362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0vZkO023908; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0vVkP023871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5H0vgHe018932 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:57:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5H0vfZu018930 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:57:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:57:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306162057.41456.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5H0vVkP023871 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 June 2003 11:57 am, Robin Netherton wrote: [text cut here] > The responses on this site say as much about the general knowledge level > of the respondents as they do about the clothing of the individuals. I > don't see it as an assessment only of the clothes, or as any sort of valid > competition for costume quality -- more of a "finger on the pulse" of the > community level of understanding. Of course. After all, it's hard to judge whether the fabrics used even *look* authentic on the basis of a mediocre-quality picture on a website. I can easily imagine that many costumes that might photograph well, and have a convincing appearance in a photograph, would look grossly modern when viewed directly in good light. >A Pre-Raphaelite costume made of modern > materials might actually score well, if it has a "look" that the audience > interprets as "medieval." And while that may not be great historic > costuming, it can contribute positively to the other participants' > experience because of how it affects the atmosphere of an event. Also true. I found the site to be a lot of fun, but it seems to me that the folk who voted were basing their opinion on general appearance rather than specifics. -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 21:00:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H100HP028629 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:00:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0wEUw015419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0wEkO024299; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H0wBkO024276 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-18-78.o1.jps.net ([216.119.18.78] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19S4na-0007m0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c3346d$9f115a20$4e1277d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c33418$a2341e90$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:09:31 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a look at the site, its fun! I'm working on some standards to put on my web site (due June 30th - at midnight no doubt) which I was going to use as a guide for a historical costumers directory, but who to include and who not too seemed a bit bigger than Ben Hur. For the moment and I've decided to concentrate on a "find a portrait" database. That will keep me busy enough. The directory might come later. maybe. It would be nice. A directory of people who do custom historical clothing. Knowing me, I'd probably offend everyone! ugghhh I'll have some standards for my own work though if anyone is interested in knowing just what I think museum quality, reenactment, fair, theatrical or inspired means in terms of seam finishes, fabric choice etc. One thing I have been doing over the last year is collecting period sewing tools and I photographed them over the weekend, including a 1450 pair of scissors I managed to lay my hands on and they will be on my site as well as some period buttons. I really should have been an heiress. I could spend all day doing this! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Cc: "'Lisa Sinervo'" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts > I think it is a great idea. I wonder if you could work up some criteria > for people to go by? Lisa Sinervo is working on some, or perhaps a > couple of laurels could put their heads together to put up what they go > by....looking forward to seeing how it develops! > > "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > Isocrates > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 22:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2DCHP028735 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2BIUw022023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2BFve004143; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2BCve004044 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030617021105.WWKP4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:11:05 -0400 Message-ID: <058d01c33475$b70aeb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c33453$64b09590$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:11:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (Disclaimer--Not My Period.) I think the commentor was not suggesting that satin wasn't period, but rather that it may not have been the norm for a _partlet_. From my memory of illustrations/portraits/etc of the time, most of the partlets were more along sheer or at least lightweight lines. (Excepting the dress-matching ones like those Mary Tudor is often shown wearing.) By the way, I think it would really help if the person posting the picture could attach a short description directly to the picture, somehow.. one that everyone who votes on the outfit would see. Like "Flemish noblewoman's gown based on a 1509 painting by Gerard David" or even something generic like "mid 16th C. English merchant." Or better yet, a short paragraph! If nothing else, those who have some sort of graphics utility could type in a few words at the bottom before they upload their picture. As to the actual voting... it is interesting to see the general level of knowledge people have about Not My Period garments. I mean, yeah, I could tell instantly that the post-1600 guy was out of the SCA period--although, the website's title is only "Am I Period Or Not" rather than "Am I SCA Period Or Not." =} But I couldn't do more than judge the design and construction abilities of most of the periods represented there, or notice dead obvious stuff like, ykno, zippers or Victorianisms. I just haven't looked closely enough at those to be able to judge the details like depth of trim, necklines, choice of decoration, etc. And yet I want to see the comments on that picture, and the next picture, so I vote anyway. I just give 'em a straight 7 unless I'm familiar enough with the period to be able to begin to judge. And a text description provided by the person in question would help with that problem... I could pop open my several gig image files, browse to the right time period, and do a bit of compare and contrast. I still wouldn't be able to judge like I could judge a garment from c1500 Flanders, or even most times during the 15th century, but I could give a much fairer try and make comments/ask questions that are more to the point. Turn the site into resource rather than recess. E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 22:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2ppHP028810 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:51:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2nwUw025273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2nvve023813; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net (lakemtao05.cox.net [68.1.17.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2nsve023767 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030617024950.RUDA28938.lakemtao05.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:49:50 -0400 Message-ID: <05b501c3347b$1f6377a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306162057.41456.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:49:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >A Pre-Raphaelite costume made of modern > materials might actually score well, if it has a "look" that the audience > interprets as "medieval." And then, there are those eras & areas where a super-authentic recreation STILL looks pre-Raphaelite... (great big 15th C. Flemish square-necked kirtle sigh... OK, not really, cuz they're So. Dang. Pretty. Or, "Those are Godspeed sleeves!" when they're Christine de Pisan-type 'integral tippets'...) E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 23:00:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H30kHP028831 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2x0Uw025862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2wxmS027873; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from newbabe.mengwong.com (newbabe.mengwong.com [208.210.125.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H2wumS027845 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by newbabe.mengwong.com (Postfix, from userid 669) id 62EAB1F683; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:58:55 -0400 From: "Katherine Rowberd (Kirrily Robert)" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Message-ID: <20030617025855.GA31896@infotrope.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <058d01c33475$b70aeb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E wrote: > And a text description provided by the person in question would help with > that problem... I could pop open my several gig image files, browse to the > right time period, and do a bit of compare and contrast. I still wouldn't > be able to judge like I could judge a garment from c1500 Flanders, or even > most times during the 15th century, but I could give a much fairer try and > make comments/ask questions that are more to the point. Turn the site into > resource rather than recess. OK, You've talked me into it. I've added a description field. Anyone who wants theirs updated to include a description, drop me an email with your picture ID. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 16 23:10:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H3A8HP028854 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H38IUw026887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H38HmS003803; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H38CmS003721 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030617030806.YDAA23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <05ba01c3347d$adbeb9e0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030617025855.GA31896@infotrope.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yay! I thought I remembered seeing some amIblankornot having some descriptions, but I wasn't sure if it could be done. E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Rowberd (Kirrily Robert)" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com > OK, You've talked me into it. I've added a description field. Anyone who > wants theirs updated to include a description, drop me an email with your > picture ID. > > K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 00:02:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H428HP028941 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H40IUw001446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H40Hlx029570; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H40Elx029501 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m155.in-tch.com [216.166.191.155]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5H3fRj29658 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EEE92AF.9D5CBD25@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:01:51 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What the heck are these colorful bumps? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks like something out of Escher, doesn't it? --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > Me, though, I'm looking at the wonderful example of medieval perspective > in this illumination -- especially the right-hand doorway (look at the > top) and the angle of the shutters on the back center window. I'm getting > dizzy... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 00:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4AfHP028964 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H48sUw002093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H48rlx003872; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.comcast.net [204.127.198.39] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H48olx003816 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003061704084501500dblume>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:08:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEE9454.30400@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:52 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk References: <20030616080118.59600.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030616080118.59600.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > > > >>I've just discovered that I have 5 yards of dark green >>rayon velvet. Any ideas on what to turn it into? Or >>shall I just give it a good steaming (it has a couple >>of creases), and sell it on eBay? >> >> > >What a shame you are on another continent! I just said to Teddy that I am >looking for a nice dark green velvet for an artistic teagown made with the La >Mode Bagatelle pattern. Poots! Would have bought it off you, but postage is too >much. :-( > > > Ooooh, which pattern elements are you going to use for your dress? I just ordered that pattern, and have been drooling over it, even if it is not here yet. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 00:36:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4aEHP029000 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4TMUw003734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4TLlx013600; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4TGlx013563 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30685 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:52:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:52:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com In-Reply-To: <058d01c33475$b70aeb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, E House wrote: > By the way, I think it would really help if the person posting the > picture could attach a short description directly to the picture, > somehow.. one that everyone who votes on the outfit would see. Like > "Flemish noblewoman's gown based on a 1509 painting by Gerard David" > or even something generic like "mid 16th C. English merchant." Or > better yet, a short paragraph! If nothing else, those who have some > sort of graphics utility could type in a few words at the bottom > before they upload their picture. Then again, when you *see* someone at an event, they don't get to wear a label saying what period they're aiming for... > ...I just haven't looked closely enough at those to be able to judge > the details like depth of trim, necklines, choice of decoration, etc. > And yet I want to see the comments on that picture, and the next > picture, so I vote anyway. I just give 'em a straight 7 unless I'm > familiar enough with the period to be able to begin to judge. Unless I'm terribly mistaken, you don't have to vote in order to see the pictures. I haven't been voting (not my place -- I'm not in the SCA and won't presume to judge what should go over), and I just hit the "random pic" link on the left to move on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 00:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4kwHP029015 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4jCUw005347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4j7lx021481; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H4j1lx021381 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.168.2022ec1a (30970) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:44:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 12:36:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Unless I'm terribly mistaken, you don't have to vote in order to see the > pictures. I haven't been voting (not my place -- I'm not in the SCA and > won't presume to judge what should go over), and I just hit the "random > pic" link on the left to move on. Nope, voting isn't mandatory. I've voted. I mean, c'mon. There's two guys on there that you can't possibly resist- they've got terribly impressive codpieces. I mean, one's bejewelled! But then, I think he may have been playing a very impressive noble, or the king. There's some very nicely done garb on there. And I think I saw Drea! Or not, but she sure looked like Drea, middle/lower class Flemish. The picture was a bit blurry, so I couldn't be sure. But hey, there was a Japanese costume/garb picture too. Impressively done, though I was pondering SCAness. Didn't vote because I thought it was too lovely/well-done to whine. By the way, did anyone see the "Judith" (I think the name is Judith) type picture? With the head? I was very amused. I mean, granted it was a photo manip, but it was great! Besides..no one really wants a guy to lose his head. That would ruin the garb! Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 01:04:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H54VHP029049 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H51UUw006894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H51Rtr029382; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H51Otr029311 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030617050118.EFII7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <05cd01c3348d$7e025120$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nah, you don't have to vote. But it's a lot easier to see the comments for each if you do, and I'm getting all sorts of kick out of them. And I don't GO to events. I'm not in the SCA or any other reenactment, etc group. =} All my spare time is spoken for; websites are my main costume-viewing venue. E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 01:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H56THP029054 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:06:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H54bUw007181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H54btr001025; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H52ftr029959 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p1150-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.196.134] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19S8c9-0003lr-00; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:02:37 +1200 Message-ID: <3EEEA0BD.70308@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:01:49 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts References: <3AFFE677.0CF5E7CC.349D0FDF@cs.com> In-Reply-To: <3AFFE677.0CF5E7CC.349D0FDF@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think all of the judges should have IDs so you can rate the judges. > :) Some of the comments suprised me more than the costumes. I absolutely second that opinion.. A few comments I read and thought.. What??? Using sweeping generalisations without actually looking at the era the garment is supposed to represent. And how that bloke with a dalmation spotted fake fur over coat (shaube?) got an average of 9... Great work on the cossie.. but period? Nice to look at garb that hasn't been seen elsewhere though:) I mean, a lot of those people probably don't have their own site and so we get to see the photos through being hosted by this one:) I won't be uploading my orange burgundian;) I can just imagine all the people saying but it's such a modern colour;) never mind that orange dyes are available either side and that I've seen more than a few (repros of) paintings with a tint very similar;) Speaking of which, must get back to allpying the velvet trim.. sigh... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 01:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H5MiHP029086 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H5L0Uw008433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H5Kxtr008467; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H5Kutr008417 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.129.2c60ee7c (30970) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:20:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 1:09:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > I absolutely second that opinion.. A few comments I read and thought.. > What??? Using sweeping generalisations without actually looking at the > era the garment is supposed to represent. > Well, I would like to know about the person who claimed several times that trim along the hem of a garment is rare. I have pictures of Queen E. and her minions dancing in my head to prove otherwise. But that could just be the percocet. I mean, granted it could be an inch or so *above* the hem, but...? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 03:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H7G0HP025254 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H7DiUw014527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H7DgCC022615; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5H7DeCC022584 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617071335.56786.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:13:35 BST Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:13:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EEE9454.30400@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Elizabeth Young wrote: > > Ooooh, which pattern elements are you going to use for your dress? I > just ordered that pattern, and have been drooling over it, even if it is > not here yet. I don't know yet! That's the probloem, they are so wonderful, all these possibilities that I keep drooling over them, just like you, and can't make up my mind. I bought it a couple of years ago and since then I grab it and ccasionally just look through it :-) Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 05:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H9fYHP032607 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H8cHUw019219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H8cGhB024767; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5H8cEhB024710 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617083809.91845.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:09 BST Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030616152415.47862.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > After seeing the patterns, can I steal your idea? I'm > thinking maybe cream-colored silk with the dark green > velvet... Any time! because I steal your cream coloured silk idea right back: I just remembered I have some of that flying around! Now, Teddy said he'll have some huge velvet curtains for me in dark green... ;-) Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 06:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HAYAHP000332 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H8WOUw018687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H8WNhB022119; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5H8WLhB022076 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617083215.18644.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:32:15 BST Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:32:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this source? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Colleen, it's a dissertation from a German Uni, thus it will be available in one way shape or form via ILL. Go and try to order it instead of paying so much money for something no one seems to kow about? Just my tuppence. Okay, so I just got a Cambridge thesis that I need to read from the BL, but... on MICROFICHE! *screams* :-) Nicole --- Colleen McDonald wrote: > I found this book listed on www.abebooks.com this morning and I was wondering > if anyone on this list actually seen it or could give me commentary on it? > It sounds like it could have a lot of good stuff for what I'm researching, > but $90 US is a lot to pay for a source when I don't know how useful it will > be. > > KLESSE, Brigitte. > Die Darstellung von Seidenstoffen auf italienischen Bildern des 14. > Jahrhunderts. [Cologne?] 1958. > [4] 128 [2]p. 15 x 21. Paper. - Dissertation; Universität Köln. A scholarly > study & classification of the textile motifs found in 14th c Italian > painting, especially in the depiction of costume. Extensive references > throughout; bibl, p108-17. Important study, later expanded with illustrations > & published in 1967. [CSROT 2516]. Bookseller Inventory #(IG354) > > Thanks! > > Colleen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 06:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HAfhHP000364 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:41:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HAceUw025364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HAcXaL003675; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HAcTaL003616 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90F4610EF27 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <112301c334bc$935c6db0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:38:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts > In a message dated 6/17/03 1:09:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > > > I absolutely second that opinion.. A few comments I read and thought.. > > What??? Using sweeping generalisations without actually looking at the > > era the garment is supposed to represent. > > > > Well, I would like to know about the person who claimed several times that > trim along the hem of a garment is rare. I have pictures of Queen E. and her > minions dancing in my head to prove otherwise. But that could just be the > percocet. I mean, granted it could be an inch or so *above* the hem, but...? > > Christine And the classic remark "Remember, purple was only worn by queens". Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 07:35:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HBZGHP000803 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:35:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HBXUUw028558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HBXTYD023918; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HBXQYD023858 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your1p37d9kihs (213-78-112-118.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.112.118])3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AEI25740; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:33:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <055301c334c4$3d3d2e80$47704ed5@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:33:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] China dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Some time ago I told somebody on list )Leif maybe ?)about a friend who did China dolls I've just tried to find their email, but it looks like I lost it with my hard drive. So did anyone keep the web address please ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 08:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCWTHP000934 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:32:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCUMUw002524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCULl2017931; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:30:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from newbabe.mengwong.com (newbabe.mengwong.com [208.210.125.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCUIl2017885 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by newbabe.mengwong.com (Postfix, from userid 669) id 30A181F683; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:30:17 -0400 From: "Katherine Rowberd (Kirrily Robert)" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Message-ID: <20030617123017.GA30940@infotrope.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In lists.sca.h-costume, you wrote: > There's some very nicely done garb on > there. And I think I saw Drea! Or not, but she sure looked like Drea, > middle/lower class Flemish. The picture was a bit blurry, so I couldn't be sure. Actually, that was me. Drea's much slimmer than I am. The bodice was based on Drea's pattern generator, though. That outfit was my first attempt at womens Elizabethan (I used to have a male persona) and is roughly based on the sketch of Holbein's family. FWIW, numbers 1, 2 and 3 are me, and number 41 is one that I made (but it's an awful pic... I can't believe she uploaded that!) K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 08:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCrHHP000992 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCpKUw004412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCpJl2027591; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCpEl2027546 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14606 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:51:14 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28132 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: <00f701c334ce$9144fa30$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Besides..no one really wants a guy > to lose his head. That would ruin the garb! > Oh I don't know.... depends on the garb. Kidding.... I'm kidding! *returns to lurking* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 08:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCtvHP001020 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:55:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCsEUw004650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCsDl2028760; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HCqdl2028145 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15468 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA29082 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: <010001c334ce$c447e820$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> <05cd01c3348d$7e025120$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:48:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you click on Top Ten or Bottom Ten or Latest Ten, it doesn't even give you the option to vote. It just displays the appropriate 10 photos. When you click on one, you get all of the comments on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com > Nah, you don't have to vote. But it's a lot easier to see the comments for > each if you do, and I'm getting all sorts of kick out of them. > > And I don't GO to events. I'm not in the SCA or any other reenactment, etc > group. =} All my spare time is spoken for; websites are my main > costume-viewing venue. > > E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 09:07:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HD72HP001095 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HD5FUw005594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HD5EKg004375; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HD5BKg004316 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:05:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030617130506.FUTW7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: <061a01c334d1$136bd8b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com><05cd01c3348d$7e025120$0400a8c0@compaqub> <010001c334ce$c447e820$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, but there's actually more than 20 entries now! =} And even if you keep doing 'random pic' yeah, you can eventually see all the comments; it's just much more time consuming. E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com > If you click on Top Ten or Bottom Ten or Latest Ten, it doesn't even give > you the option to vote. It just displays the appropriate 10 photos. When you > click on one, you get all of the comments on it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 09:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDcrHP001228 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDb0Uw008353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDawKg020384; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDatKg020328 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1dc.bff4814 (4426) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.bff4814.2c20736e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:36:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 8:34:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, katherine@infotrope.net writes: > Actually, that was me. Drea's much slimmer than I am. The bodice was > based on > Drea's pattern generator, though. That outfit was my first attempt at > womens > Elizabethan (I used to have a male persona) and is roughly based on the > sketch > of Holbein's family. > Woops! Well, I said the picture was a tad blurry- and when I actually saw Drea in person about two months ago, she was putting on a Darth Vader helmet. So maybe I didn't get a great look at her ;-) And if that's your first attempt...wow! Very nice! Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 09:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDgOHP001244 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDedUw008733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HDeZKg022351; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HDbOKg020611 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617133723.90188.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.238] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:37:23 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] blackwork shift questions/beading questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, I'm finally caught up on my posts and have a few questions. On square neck Elizabethan shifts with the blackwork embroidery around the edge of the square neck would the embroidery go around the entire edge or would it just be a band across the front where it would show? I know Janet Arnold mentions a square neck shift somewhere but I don't recall ever seeing a picture of it anywhere. I'm working on a shift with the low square neck and blackwork on the cuffs as per the Helena Snakenborg, although you can't see her shift sleeves underneath that beautifully embroidered partlet and sleeves. Second question---One of the beading magazines I pick up occasionally has some choker patterns that I thought would make nice beaded trims. The chokers were made with a light weight gauge wire but as I want to sew these patterns down to a garment edge should I use wire and make the choker as per the instructions and then sew it onto the velvet? Since I was going to put a band of velvet along the edge of the sleeves and hem, like a guard, I could stitch each bead down to the velvet and then take it off should I need to clean the garment. And since I'm going to put these on a garment should I use flat beads or the round beads the pattern suggests? Any help would be most appreciated. Cassandra __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 10:19:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEJnHP001347 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEI1Uw012245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEI0xB012302; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEHvxB012284 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12001 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:17:57 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11997 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <015b01c334da$ae509f60$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030617133723.90188.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork shift questions/beading questions Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:13:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a bit earlier than the period you are asking about, I believe, but from portraits of Anne Boleyn and other Tudor Era women, you can clearly see that the blackwork on the square neck shift goes all the way around the neckline. Regarding the beading, I can't wait to hear the answers as that sounds like a really cool idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cascio Michael" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] blackwork shift questions/beading questions > Hi All, > I'm finally caught up on my posts and have a few > questions. > On square neck Elizabethan shifts with the > blackwork embroidery around the edge of the square > neck would the embroidery go around the entire edge or > would it just be a band across the front where it > would show? I know Janet Arnold mentions a square > neck shift somewhere but I don't recall ever seeing a > picture of it anywhere. I'm working on a shift with > the low square neck and blackwork on the cuffs as per > the Helena Snakenborg, although you can't see her > shift sleeves underneath that beautifully embroidered > partlet and sleeves. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 10:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEO5HP001357 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEMFUw012657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEMFxB014538; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEMBxB014495 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (dialport87.tukwila.eskimo.net [208.187.14.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA15022 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01c334db$e5d30580$580ebbd0@bently> From: "David" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:22:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds great, in general, but I just remembered -- I'll be in London then! I'm not used to thinking of myself not at home. Are you arranging this for a group, and do you arrange other cool things, too? I'd love to attend something else in the future. Let me know if there *is* anything in the future. Thank you, Pam Dotson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 10:56:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEuCHP001536 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEpxUw015580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEpvxB001937; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HEpsxB001903 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.30.198.115.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net ([67.30.198.115]) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SHoP-0004j1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:51:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:52:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses From: Grace Morris To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EEE226F.6030202@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5HEpsxB001903 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anderson, Ruth Mathilda. (1979). Hispanic Costume 1480-1530. New York: Hispanic Society of America. Bernis, Carmen. (1962). Indumentaria Española en Tiempos de Carlos V. Madrid: Instituto Diego Velásquez. __________________. (1978). Trajes y Modas en la España de los Reyes Catolicós. I. Las Mujeres. II. Los Hombres 15th, 16thc. Have Fun! Jessamyn/Grace > From: Deredere Galbraith > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:02:55 +0200 > To: H-Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses > > Hi, > > I am looking for more information of this portrait. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/Weddingdress/images/rendress.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 11:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFeiHP001641 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFcwUw021597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFcvTS005577; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HFcsTS005539 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7473 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail1.inreach.com) (209.142.2.50) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0000 Received: from 162.119.64.111 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25289.162.119.64.111.1055864334.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for portrait of a 16th century Spanish prinses From: To: In-Reply-To: <004501c33462$0b8c2880$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <002301c3345b$9128bbe0$b242a6d0@castlebooks> <004501c33462$0b8c2880$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I never noticed it before on this portrait, but are those pins I see > running up the bodice? > > "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > Isocrates > > To me it looks like this is the edge of the trim that runs around the neckline and in a line down from the shoulder to the waist. But there is the Jane Seymour example so who knows for sure? Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 11:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFw9HP001693 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:58:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFj9Uw022414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFj8TS010347; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HFj3TS010246 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01000 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:08:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-Reply-To: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > Well, I would like to know about the person who claimed several times > that trim along the hem of a garment is rare. I have pictures of > Queen E. and her minions dancing in my head to prove otherwise. But > that could just be the percocet. I mean, granted it could be an inch > or so *above* the hem, but...? Well, I didn't make the comments, but I saw one of them, and it was on a garment several centuries earlier than Queen Elizabeth; it looked 12th century to me. Hem trim is one of those dicey issues -- appropriate in some periods and not in others. What makes this more complicated is that in some periods hem trim appears in many artworks, but seems to be associated with only certain types of figures. In 14th and 15th century Western Europe, I've found I'm likely to see hem trim in certain artworks of saints, angels, and historic queens, for instance, but not on ordinary people. The sheer number of these images can make it look as though hem trim is routine, until you take the entire corpus of art and start breaking it down for the patterns of who has it and who doesn't, and in what contexts. For instance, in the Unicorn Tapestries, (late 15th c. France), the "Lady" figure has many elements to her costume that are clearly fantastical, that are meant to mark her as an "otherworldly" or "super-natural" figure, while the maid with her is dressed extremely finely but within the bounds of reason and physical capability. One of the differences is in trim placement and style -- most of the Lady figures have jeweled trim, including hem trim, but the maid never has hem trim (and I think has no jeweled trims, but I'd need to doublecheck that). In close to the same period, there's a large Last Judgment painting at the Groeninge Museum in Bruges in which people entering Heaven are being given robes that look ordinary except for jeweled bands on the hems; in that context, this detail is practically a label for "glorious clothing of Heaven that is far finer than anything on the real earth." The nature of the trim and the garment it's on is important, too -- you can't lump all "hem trim" together. A decorative stitching pattern or narrow woven band might have been used as an edge finish in real garments, but that doesn't mean that wide brocaded bands with gold or jewels would have been used in the same position. Or a band might be shown on a mantle or other overgarment that does not reach the ground, while ground-length garments do not have them. That's especially a concern for men's garments and priest's vestments; seeing hem trims on certain garments on these people doesn't mean they're appropriate for noblewomen's floor-length gowns. And then you get into the issue of depiction -- some sculpture techniques, for instance, use what looks like decorative bands to divide areas of different textures, but that may or may not have any resemblance to what the clothing looked like. Similarly, an illuminator might highlight a garment edge with a thin line of white, gold, or a contrasting color -- to divide color areas and indicate depth and layering, not to represent actual trim. Often people who look at artwork as clothing documentation don't have the awareness of what elements of the images reflect artistic style, accepted iconography/symbolism, or handling of the medium, in that place and period. Clothes people also tend to assume that details they see on clothing are representing something about real clothes. Very often, that's not the case ... but it takes a lot of eye-training and comparisons and contextual analysis to make the distinctions. Hem trim is just one of those issues that comes up over and over, because it's so easy to misinterpret the images. So the person making the comment may have had a point; it's just hard to get all the nuances into a one-line comment. And the person who says "But I can document it" probably has a stack of images to point to and feels justified about it -- but that doesn't mean that *any* of them represent real clothing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 12:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HG5wHP001742 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:05:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HG2vUw024569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HG2t23023215; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HG2r23023116 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.63.1e8966eb (16930) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:02:44 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <63.1e8966eb.2c2095a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:02:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 11:52:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > So the person making the comment may have had a point; it's just hard to > get all the nuances into a one-line comment. And the person who says "But > I can document it" probably has a stack of images to point to and feels > justified about it -- but that doesn't mean that *any* of them represent > real clothing. Well, I did take AP art history this year, so I can get the whole allegorical vs. actual thing down, and giggle at the "donor" paintings (well, he certainly doesn't belong in this picture. Must have given the money for it). Of course...I don't know if I actually *passed* the AP exam yet, so my knowledge may or may not be extensive. There was a mid 16th century waist-up portrait on the exam that I remembered, anyhow...and really want to replicate! It's too bad I'll have to fake it from the waist down. Should take me a month to do the sleeves- lots and lots of slashwork and gems (and she's definitely not allegorical, it's a portrait). I think it was painted by Ghirlandaio, but I have a lot of artist names dancing in my head. Wait. I just said I'd do another costume. I think that's number four on the "to-do" list. Christine Whose wallet is screaming "nooooooooooooooooooooo!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH1AHP001914 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:01:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HGxIUw001518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HGxGuf009768; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HGx8uf009681 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGM008PYXUJI0@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:49:59 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:08 AM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >So the person making the comment may have had a point; it's just hard to >get all the nuances into a one-line comment. And the person who says "But >I can document it" probably has a stack of images to point to and feels >justified about it -- but that doesn't mean that *any* of them represent >real clothing. > >--Robin Wow, I hadn't realized the whole... library of art knowledge that is required to replicate costumes accurately. How would one go about learning all this fine line knowledge without getting my own PhD? I am serious about this, as I very much want to improve my knowledge of costuming details, and yet it seems rather overwhelming, that all the art images we base much of our costuming on may not be appropriate to base our costuming from. Are there any specific books or something I can research to learn a small fraction of what you have obviously learned over the years? Something to get me started in the right direction? Thanks Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:09:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH9QHP001957 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH7VUw002409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH7Puf015635; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH7Kuf015539 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGM00KGEY86JC@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:54:18 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-reply-to: <20030616180108.C25512-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095116.027cf558@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616142434.02dd3df0@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:03 PM 6/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing > > this time period? Why or why not? > >Silk came in both shiny and non-shiny/duller weaves. Satin was a popular >fabric of the time; their silk satin was much stiffer than the charmeuse >silk you find nowadays. You can still buy heavy silk satin from places >like Thai Silks, but you'll be shelling out $20 to $30/yd for the heavy >stiff stuff that best replicates the 16th c. look. Ok, I hadn't realized the silks used were that thick. No wonder it kept them warm. As I do events in sunny and HOT Central California, I was hoping to use something that breathed better than satin. I think I am now understanding why cotton velveteen is so popular around here. > I've found that you can get a relatively accurate "look" by backing >charmeuse satin with a stiff canvas or similar stiff fabric. Hmmm... would that apply for skirts as well? I already planned on doing this for the bodice as interlining. >Good luck, > >Drea Thank you Drea. I appreciate your perspective and comments. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHCOHP001975 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHAaUw002783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHAYuf018155; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HH7Ouf015625 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGM00KGEY86JC@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:57:32 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-reply-to: <003301c33453$64b09590$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030616142434.02dd3df0@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:05 PM 6/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I have lots of examples in my electronic stash of pictures representing >shiny silk-totally period for a broad range of time within the >renaissance. If you need examples I would be happy to send them to you >or load them up on my (under-reconstruction) website. Thank you Saragrace for the offer. I won't need them myself, but it does sound like a great thing to have on your web site for others to use as research. I am just scratching my head, because I have heard the not-shiny silks for some time, and yet see many examples from paintings of the period. I also hear that pink isn't appropriate either, yet I have examples that show otherwise... but that's another ball of wax that I don't have to worry about right now so I won't. Thanks again, Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:16:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHGCHP001991 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:16:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHEKUw003209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHEIuf021245; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HHAsuf018405 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16293 invoked by uid 1005); 17 Jun 2003 17:10:46 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.074137 secs); 17 Jun 2003 17:10:46 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.074137 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 17:10:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030617130909.Q45031-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, There are usually one to two top books per century/country for later period dress (1400-1600), and a few broader ones covering early period, that are great starting points for people seriously researching that particular topic. What century or country are you particularly interested in? Drea On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 11:08 AM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >So the person making the comment may have had a point; it's just hard to > >get all the nuances into a one-line comment. And the person who says "But > >I can document it" probably has a stack of images to point to and feels > >justified about it -- but that doesn't mean that *any* of them represent > >real clothing. > > > >--Robin > > > Wow, I hadn't realized the whole... library of art knowledge that is > required to replicate costumes accurately. How would one go about learning > all this fine line knowledge without getting my own PhD? I am serious about > this, as I very much want to improve my knowledge of costuming details, and > yet it seems rather overwhelming, that all the art images we base much of > our costuming on may not be appropriate to base our costuming from. > > Are there any specific books or something I can research to learn a small > fraction of what you have obviously learned over the years? Something to > get me started in the right direction? > > Thanks > > Kimiko > > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHJ2HP002000 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:19:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHHEUw003524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHHDuf024483; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HHBuuf019052 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19490 invoked by uid 1005); 17 Jun 2003 17:11:48 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.086582 secs); 17 Jun 2003 17:11:48 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.086582 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 17:11:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095116.027cf558@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030617131107.E45031-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, for skirts as well. It ends up pretty heavy, true...cotton velveteen is a good modern alternative. Drea On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:03 PM 6/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing > > > this time period? Why or why not? > > > >Silk came in both shiny and non-shiny/duller weaves. Satin was a popular > >fabric of the time; their silk satin was much stiffer than the charmeuse > >silk you find nowadays. You can still buy heavy silk satin from places > >like Thai Silks, but you'll be shelling out $20 to $30/yd for the heavy > >stiff stuff that best replicates the 16th c. look. > > Ok, I hadn't realized the silks used were that thick. No wonder it kept > them warm. As I do events in sunny and HOT Central California, I was hoping > to use something that breathed better than satin. I think I am now > understanding why cotton velveteen is so popular around here. > > > I've found that you can get a relatively accurate "look" by backing > >charmeuse satin with a stiff canvas or similar stiff fabric. > > Hmmm... would that apply for skirts as well? I already planned on doing > this for the bodice as interlining. > > >Good luck, > > > >Drea > > Thank you Drea. I appreciate your perspective and comments. > > Kimiko > > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:22:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHMkHP002019 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:22:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHKvUw003909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHKsuf027113; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHJguf026070 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:19:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.26.3b0031c8 (16930) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <26.3b0031c8.2c20a7a5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:19:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 1:04:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: > Are there any specific books or something I can research to learn a small > fraction of what you have obviously learned over the years? Something to > get me started in the right direction? Ooh! I can give a book recommendation for this one! My art history text book is absolutely wonderful (well, so is my art history teacher, but I can't exactly *give* you a teacher, now can I?). It's Gardner's Art Through the Ages, 11th edition. It's expensive but comprehensive- 1248 pages, $98 on amazon.com. It's a very good book though. Also good as a start is Strickland's The Annotated Mona Lisa- it's a crash course in art history, literally! It's not nearly as in-depth, but it's definitely worth the $20. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHPuHP002037 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:25:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHO5Uw004278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHO3uf029305; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.attbi.com (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHN1uf028514 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003061717225601400aejsue>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:22:56 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEF4E7A.5050506@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:23:06 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk References: <20030617071335.56786.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030617071335.56786.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > --- Elizabeth Young wrote: > > > >>Ooooh, which pattern elements are you going to use for your dress? I >>just ordered that pattern, and have been drooling over it, even if it is >>not here yet. >> >> >I don't know yet! That's the probloem, they are so wonderful, all these >possibilities that I keep drooling over them, just like you, and can't make up >my mind. I bought it a couple of years ago and since then I grab it and >ccasionally just look through it :-) > > > I like the overgown w/ the straps holding the sides of the skirt together. And I don't think I like a high-necked underdress. I know I don't like the sleeves on the square-necked undergown, but I don't know which sleeve I do like. That's as far as I"ve gotten! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:35:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHZsHP002072 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:35:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHXxUw005415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHXsuf006439; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HHXouf006366 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-69-59.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@67.122.69.59 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 17:33:50 -0000 Message-ID: <00ec01c334f6$e53ee790$3b457a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:35:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone here on the list know the origins of the cap and gown? My daughter just graduated hs and she asked me how old they were. I thought something like 12C Europe, but didn't really have a clue? If you don't know offhand, do have a good online source for the info? I did a quick google and didn't get very far, but I'm swamped right now and not at the computer much. Robin? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHj4HP002090 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHh9Uw006389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHh7uf013051; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHh4uf013008 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:42:50 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A31A5FB300EC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:42:50 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:42:50 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:43:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c334f7$fbe52210$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ec01c334f6$e53ee790$3b457a43@angelap3a8d978> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's one wb site, there are lots more: http://quilt.com/QuiltGuildsPage.html -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angela F. Lazear Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe Does anyone here on the list know the origins of the cap and gown? My daughter just graduated hs and she asked me how old they were. I thought something like 12C Europe, but didn't really have a clue? If you don't know offhand, do have a good online source for the info? I did a quick google and didn't get very far, but I'm swamped right now and not at the computer much. Robin? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:47:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHlhHP002097 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHjoUw006680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHjluf014988; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHhDuf013128 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGM00KY9ZVYJC@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:31:20 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: <20030617130909.Q45031-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617102835.00af8520@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:10 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Kimiko, > >There are usually one to two top books per century/country for >later period dress (1400-1600), and a few broader ones covering >early period, that are great starting points for people seriously >researching that particular topic. What century or country are you >particularly interested in? > >Drea Hi Drea, Renaissance time period, usually English based from Henry VIII (1520 earliest) to Elizabeth (1590 latest), but I am beginning to branch out to Italian and early German, so all of the 16th century is the time period I am going for, and maybe even the later parts of 15th c. as well for the Italian. Thanks! I love to read books, so I am looking forward to this. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 13:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHrKHP002113 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHpRUw007364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHpPuf019757; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHhDuh013128 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGM00KY9ZVYJC@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:32:23 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: <26.3b0031c8.2c20a7a5@aol.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617103145.028471d0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:19 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Ooh! I can give a book recommendation for this one! My art history text >book is absolutely wonderful (well, so is my art history teacher, but I can't >exactly *give* you a teacher, now can I?). It's Gardner's Art Through the >Ages, >11th edition. It's expensive but comprehensive- 1248 pages, $98 on >amazon.com. It's a very good book though. Also good as a start is >Strickland's The >Annotated Mona Lisa- it's a crash course in art history, literally! It's not >nearly as in-depth, but it's definitely worth the $20. > >Christine Hi Christine, Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to check them out. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 15:06:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJ6aHP002357 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJ4EUw016418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJ4C61018851; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJ4861018701 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1cb.c1d6a2b (15865) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.133]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v94.29) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df93eef661d175; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:03:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:03:57 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B11F59A.4C83CBB3.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could try my website http://home.uchicago.edu/~atterlep/costuming/academic%20clothing.htm "Angela F. Lazear" wrote: >Does anyone here on the list know the origins of the cap and gown?  My >daughter just graduated hs and she asked me how old they were.  I thought >something like 12C Europe, but didn't really have a clue?  If you don't know >offhand, do have a good online source for the info? I did a quick google and >didn't get very far, but I'm swamped right now and not at the computer much. > >Robin? > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design > >"I have no other but a woman's reason: >I think him so, because I think him so." >Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 15:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJrYHP002446 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJpSUw021898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJpP61024942; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HJpJ61024873 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host81-132-191-53.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.132.191.53] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19SMUA-0004dJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:51:18 +0100 Message-ID: <029e01c33509$cbea17c0$35bf8451@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:51:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko wrote: > Wow, I hadn't realized the whole... library of art knowledge that is > required to replicate costumes accurately. How would one go about learning > all this fine line knowledge without getting my own PhD? I am serious about > this, as I very much want to improve my knowledge of costuming details, and > yet it seems rather overwhelming, that all the art images we base much of > our costuming on may not be appropriate to base our costuming from. > > Are there any specific books or something I can research to learn a small > fraction of what you have obviously learned over the years? Something to > get me started in the right direction? > Well, I suggest that you start with Lou Taylor's scholarly but very readable 'The Study of Dress History' 2001, ISBN: 0719040655, which should give you an enjoyable overview of the pitfalls of a number of different approaches to the subject... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 17:07:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HL7bHP002660 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HL5dUw001865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HL5YWW024982; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HL5VWW024920 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGN008U7996SE@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:56:23 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: <029e01c33509$cbea17c0$35bf8451@dan> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:51 PM 6/17/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Well, I suggest that you start with Lou Taylor's scholarly but very >readable > > 'The Study of Dress History' >2001, >ISBN: 0719040655, Thank you for the suggestion, Stevie. It's beginning to look like I will be learning more about historical fashion than I ever thought I would. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 17:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HLrSHP002784 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HLpZUw008131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HLpTWW004800; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HLpQWW004745 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23.ureach.com (mailout.ureach.com [172.16.2.83]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24707 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:51:25 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail23.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA31247 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1> Subject: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:47:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I have seen a painting somewhere that shows a woman from the side or 3/4 turned away where you can see that her necklace fastens with a ribbon. I want to say it is perhaps Flemish or Italian, but I could be wrong. It is a bead necklace which fastens with a ribbon in the back (perhaps through rings?) not a necklace made of a ribbon, if that makes sense. I have searched my books and online and I can't figure out what it was! A friend wants to make a necklace and is hoping to document that sort of fastener. Can anyone help? Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 19:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HN7nHP003475 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HN5SUw017581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HN5P11029767; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HN5I11029675 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SPVt-0003JX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05:18 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c33524$eb2178c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~I am just scratching my head, because I have heard the not-shiny silks for ~some time, and yet see many examples from paintings of the period. I also ~hear that pink isn't appropriate either, yet I have examples that show ~otherwise... [Sg:] Drea did a 'spot' awhile back that said it better than I ever could, but the bottom line is do your own research and be wary of those who use (or infer) the words never or always as it is related to historic costume. Okay, I used up my two brain cells of wisdom for today. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 19:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNILHP004210 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:18:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNGZUw019103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNGX11008120; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40808.mail.yahoo.com (web40808.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.185]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HNGS11007939 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030617231623.22584.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.229.184.44] by web40808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:16:23 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Cynthia Corley To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] re:origins of graduation robes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found this website when I was hunting for info on how to wear the regalia I bought when I graduated from an English university. Now years later I need to wear it as a faculty member and had forgotten how to wear the funky cap...boy did I feel stupid! And would have felt even stupider wearing the cap backwards! Anywho, this site has a pretty good explanation of the development of academic regalia from Medieval robes and liripipes. I'm sorry I don't know how to make it an actual link... www.tamiu.edu/~slunce/regalia.htm ===== An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Gandhi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 19:49:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNniHP006676 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:49:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNm0Uw023072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNlw11028281; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNlu11028261 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.157] (pm5-157.eos.net [205.133.149.157]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29198 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:47:54 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:42:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306101514.h5AFElpn019070@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] web site question?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was out of town for eight days and am now catching up on my email. Beautiful partlet, Deredere! Anyway, what is the site everyone is talking about that shows various pix of people in garb for voting on? I get the digest version and have taken a quick look back at the subject lines of a dozen or so, but I can't find the original, just all the comments, and I'm very curious. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 19:50:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNopHP006731 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNn5Uw023156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNn511028925; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5HNn311028908 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-69-59.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.122.69.59 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 23:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <009201c3352b$4fe66170$3b457a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030617231623.22584.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:origins of graduation robes Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:51:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia, Constance & Kim! Thanks so much for all the help. It's just a little side track for my daughter, but she asked me quite a few questions about her "Harry Potter" robes, and I knew someone on the list would know. There was much complaining about having to cover up her Betsy Johnson designer dress with the robes. Don't get me started about how she had to have Betsy Johnson when mom designs clothing for a living. At least it's pretty and she graduated at the top of her class so I let her go boutique just once. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Corley" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] re:origins of graduation robes > I found this website when I was hunting for info on > how to wear the regalia I bought when I graduated from > an English university. Now years later I need to wear > it as a faculty member and had forgotten how to wear > the funky cap...boy did I feel stupid! And would have > felt even stupider wearing the cap backwards! > Anywho, this site has a pretty good explanation of the > development of academic regalia from Medieval robes > and liripipes. I'm sorry I don't know how to make it > an actual link... > www.tamiu.edu/~slunce/regalia.htm > > ===== > An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Gandhi > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 19:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNpiHP006776 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNnvUw023270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNnu11029438; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.attbi.com (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNns11029387 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003061723494901400ae0gie>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:49:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEFA926.9000006@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:49:58 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] web site question?? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >I was out of town for eight days and am now catching up on my email. >Beautiful partlet, Deredere! Anyway, what is the site everyone is talking >about that shows various pix of people in garb for voting on? I get the >digest version and have taken a quick look back at the subject lines of a >dozen or so, but I can't find the original, just all the comments, and I'm >very curious. > > http://www.amiperiodornot.com/ liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0AFHP007776 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:10:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I08PUw025192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I08NCA010283; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80407.mail.yahoo.com (web80407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I08KCA010215 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618000815.22381.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:15 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030617083809.91845.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > > After seeing the patterns, can I steal your idea? > I'm > > thinking maybe cream-colored silk with the dark > green > > velvet... > > Any time! because I steal your cream coloured silk > idea right back: I just > remembered I have some of that flying around! > Now, Teddy said he'll have some huge velvet curtains > for me in dark green... > ;-) > > Nicole We're just going to have to make sure we don't both wear the same dress to the same event at the same time, or we'll look like we've been to a fire sale. ;-) OTOH, if we could get a few more people to make the same dress, in the same colors, we could be the "Artistic Reform Police." ;-D Feeling terribly silly because finals are over, grades are turned in, and (finally!) my summer vacation starts tomorrow afternoon. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0QjHP007818 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:26:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0P1Uw026785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0OxCA019739; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0OvCA019669 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.12.322d5e49 (3858) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:24:46 EDT Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 8:12:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dme_maud@pacbell.net writes: > We're just going to have to make sure we don't both > wear the same dress to the same event at the same > time, or we'll look like we've been to a fire sale. > ;-) OTOH, if we could get a few more people to make > the same dress, in the same colors, we could be the > "Artistic Reform Police." ;-D *chants* I will not have another costume on my to-do list. I already have four, that's enough. I will not put another costume on my to-do list. No matter how nice I look in dark green. I will not... Dagnabbit Dawn... Christine Whose wallet and sewing machine are both cowering in fear. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:33:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0XlHP007829 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0VuUw027403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0VtCA023603; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80401.mail.yahoo.com (web80401.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I0VqCA023518 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618003147.39267.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:31:47 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <26.3b0031c8.2c20a7a5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/17/03 1:04:35 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: > > > Are there any specific books or something I can > research to learn a small > > fraction of what you have obviously learned over > the years? Something to > > get me started in the right direction? > > Ooh! I can give a book recommendation for this one! > My art history text > book is absolutely wonderful (well, so is my art > history teacher, but I can't > exactly *give* you a teacher, now can I?). It's > Gardner's Art Through the Ages, > 11th edition. It's expensive but comprehensive- > 1248 pages, $98 on > amazon.com. It's a very good book though. Also > good as a start is Strickland's The > Annotated Mona Lisa- it's a crash course in art > history, literally! It's not > nearly as in-depth, but it's definitely worth the > $20. > You can also try to get a used copy from abebooks.com. Now is a good time to shop for a copy of Gardner's: it's a standard "Survey of Western Art" text, and the students that don't keep their copy sell them off as soon as the semester is over. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0e3HP007846 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0c3Uw028091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0c1CA027368; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80404.mail.yahoo.com (web80404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I0bxCA027292 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618003753.63985.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:37:53 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617102835.00af8520@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kimiko Small wrote: > At 01:10 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Kimiko, > > > >There are usually one to two top books per > century/country for > >later period dress (1400-1600), and a few broader > ones covering > >early period, that are great starting points for > people seriously > >researching that particular topic. What century or > country are you > >particularly interested in? > > > >Drea > > > Hi Drea, > > Renaissance time period, usually English based from > Henry VIII (1520 > earliest) to Elizabeth (1590 latest), but I am > beginning to branch out to > Italian and early German, so all of the 16th century > is the time period I > am going for, and maybe even the later parts of 15th > c. as well for the > Italian. > > Thanks! I love to read books, so I am looking > forward to this. > For early German (apologies if I repeat anyone else): Look at the woodcuts, particularly those by Jost Amman (available from Dover). There is also a 7-volume set of "German Single-Leaf Woodcuts" that you might be able to find at your local university library (sets are currently selling for around $500) to peruse. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0fKHP007851 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0dRUw028264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0dPCA028280; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.comcast.net [204.127.198.39] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0dNCA028174 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003061800391801500d9vlre>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:39:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEFB4C2.1060802@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:39:30 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: The to-do list, Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... References: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Finish late 16th century Italian for me and BF (ok, so I have one shirt mostly together, a smock cut out, the corset finished, and a trial doublet for him basted. Hm, that leaves .... a lot! to do yet). Fix the sleeves of his old late 16th century stuff that fits him again! (Yay) and see if I can alter my old late 16th century stuff to fit me again. Artistic dress - ok, this should be at the bottom of the list - where am I going to wear it? Folkwear beach pajamas (if I can find the fabric I bought for it) More Folkwear clothes, chengsam, Viet Ao Dai, and finish a Thai blouse. Make a smock (hand smocked, embroidered, all that jazz) swimsuit, summer pjs, better bathrobe Good thing I have the summer off liz young IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: >*chants* I will not have another costume on my to-do list. I already have >four, that's enough. I will not put another costume on my to-do list. No >matter how nice I look in dark green. I will not... >Dagnabbit Dawn... > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:47:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0lOHP007865 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0jYUw029785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0jSCA003284; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I0jOCA003121 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OnNGiU0rkX14T2xZSRwFD14=">; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:44:27 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2WUYLVZ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:44:27 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:43:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Message-ID: <20030617.174347.1728.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,9-17,19-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not that this will help much, but... A friend of mine made a beautiful Elizabethan beaded necklace which looks like tiered pyramids of beads. The top rank of beads came off of a single beaded line which ended with a finial ring on either side--this was then tied with a ribbon with a bow at the neck. She used gros-grain because it's less likely to slip. Here's an attempt at the pattern (my ANSII art leaves a lot to be desired): __________ \/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/ \/ Arlys On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:47:18 -0400 "Beteena Paradise" writes: > I know I have seen a painting somewhere that shows a woman from the > side or > 3/4 turned away where you can see that her necklace fastens with a > ribbon. I > want to say it is perhaps Flemish or Italian, but I could be wrong. > It is a > bead necklace which fastens with a ribbon in the back (perhaps > through > rings?) not a necklace made of a ribbon, if that makes sense. > > I have searched my books and online and I can't figure out what it > was! A > friend wants to make a necklace and is hoping to document that sort > of > fastener. Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 20:53:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0r5HP007876 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0pHUw001810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0pFCA008125; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I0pCCA008014 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.105.30e6e753 (4340) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <105.30e6e753.2c211176@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:51:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: The to-do list, Re: Dawn's velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 8:42:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lizyoung@fenris.net writes: > Finish late 16th century Italian for me and BF (ok, so I have one shirt > mostly together, a smock cut out, the corset finished, and a trial > doublet for him basted. Hm, that leaves .... a lot! to do yet). > Fix the sleeves of his old late 16th century stuff that fits him again! > (Yay) and see if I can alter my old late 16th century stuff to fit me again. > Artistic dress - ok, this should be at the bottom of the list - where am > I going to wear it? > Folkwear beach pajamas (if I can find the fabric I bought for it) > More Folkwear clothes, chengsam, Viet Ao Dai, and finish a Thai blouse. > Make a smock (hand smocked, embroidered, all that jazz) > swimsuit, summer pjs, better bathrobe > Good thing I have the summer off Eep! Looks like I'm not the only one with a lot to do. Here's my "to-do" list, costume (four items) and non-costume (gasp!). They're in priority order, since there will be a large break for schooling!: Six more curtains/swags for my bedroom; they're cut out, but need to be hemmed and such. A cheongsam in Chinese silk brocade that I bought four years ago A knee-length dress of green silk-satin burnout Eowyn's "Shieldmaiden" dress, hopefully in time for ROTK Sideless surcoat and kirtle A costume with wings, for a future CC Italian Ren costume based on a portrait by Ghirlandaio _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 21:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I15THP007900 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I13iUw004651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I13hVj016347; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80404.mail.yahoo.com (web80404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I13eVj016300 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618010335.68892.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:03:35 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EEFA926.9000006@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Love that codpiece! ;-D X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got curious, so I checked out the Top 10 and, lo and behold! the tasty nobleman with the codpiece everybody is commenting on is a close friend that works at RPFN as Sir Christopher Hatton. Other details: yes, he does have the necessary arrogance to pull off that stance, but is generally also a very sweet and wonderful person, loads of fun, dresses beautifully (you should see him in Victorians!), dances as well as he dresses, manages to hold down a real job, and...is both straight and single (but seeing somebody). A true rarity, especially in the Bay Area. ;-D Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 21:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1PsHP007937 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1O8Uw006511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1O7Vj027213; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I1O4Vj027143 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618012359.59130.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:23:59 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/17/03 8:12:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > dme_maud@pacbell.net writes: > > > We're just going to have to make sure we don't > both > > wear the same dress to the same event at the same > > time, or we'll look like we've been to a fire > sale. > > ;-) OTOH, if we could get a few more people to > make > > the same dress, in the same colors, we could be > the > > "Artistic Reform Police." ;-D > > *chants* I will not have another costume on my to-do > list. I already have > four, that's enough. I will not put another costume > on my to-do list. No > matter how nice I look in dark green. I will not... > Dagnabbit Dawn... > Cower more. bwahahahahahahahaha! I paid $3/yd for the green velvet, and I can tell you where to get it (it's in LA, in the garment district). I'll shop for cream silk when I'm down there next month, as everything I have is too thin/light (habotai) or too heavy (dupioni/shantung). Maybe a nice georgette... Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 21:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1XJHP007961 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:33:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1VYUw006973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1VWVj000894; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:31:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1VSVj000818 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1c8.b658938 (4340) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.b658938.2c211ae1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:31:13 EDT Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/03 9:27:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dme_maud@pacbell.net writes: > I paid $3/yd for the green velvet, and I can tell you > where to get it (it's in LA, in the garment district). Keep dreaming, I live in New York! And I'm going to college in PA. Not getting to Cali anytime soon.. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 21:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1ZsHP007974 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1Y8Uw007177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I1Y7Vj002067; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I1Y5Vj002024 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618013359.60920.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:33:59 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The to-do list, Re: Dawn's velvet To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <105.30e6e753.2c211176@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/17/03 8:42:47 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Eep! Looks like I'm not the only one with a lot to > do. Here's my "to-do" > list, costume (four items) and non-costume (gasp!). > They're in priority order, > since there will be a large break for schooling!: > > Six more curtains/swags for my bedroom; they're cut > out, but need to be > hemmed and such. > A cheongsam in Chinese silk brocade that I bought > four years ago > A knee-length dress of green silk-satin burnout > Eowyn's "Shieldmaiden" dress, hopefully in time for > ROTK > Sideless surcoat and kirtle > A costume with wings, for a future CC > Italian Ren costume based on a portrait by > Ghirlandaio And mine: 4 16th C. shirts 1 doublet 1 bodice 2 skirts 1 pair Venetians All of the above by next weekend. Then: Gown/Sideless surcoat (along with underpinnings) 16th C. German Waffenrock 18th C. Robe a la francaise & petticoat 1870s ballgown (out of orchid silk!) 1927 tea gown All this by July 20th. I'm also hoping to finish the reorganization of the sewing room, so we'll have room for all the machines in one place, on the same floor. Once this is done, I can concentrate on my next really big project: a full set of clothing (every day and "church/feast" wear) for an upper-middle class Flemish matron from Antwerp, c.1580. And now the "Artistic Reform Police" dress. Just a few things to keep me busy during the "summer hiatus" (I'm not working on any shows until the end of August at the earliest). Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 22:09:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I29vHP008090 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I25wUw009544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I25NHp017016; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I25KHp016968 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p23-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.204.87] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19SSK4-00008D-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:05:16 +1200 Message-ID: <3EEFC8D8.9020501@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:05:12 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Well, I would like to know about the person who claimed several times that > trim along the hem of a garment is rare. I have pictures of Queen E. and her > minions dancing in my head to prove otherwise. But that could just be the > percocet. I mean, granted it could be an inch or so *above* the hem, but...? Thats the one I finally decide to comment on;) As Robin said there are periods where trim is seen and usually on saints etc... but I suspect the person who commented was not thinking along those terms. It came across very much as one of those things they'd been told and was passing it along. The blue cotton velvet dress in particular looked 15thC to me, but that's likely because I've been looking at so many fitted long sleeved gowns of the late 15thC, which often have included trim along the hem. (So far they all seem to be saints et al as it may be a fashion not worn by women who could afford to be included in donor paintings/portraits? Or rather not a style they wanted to be seen wearing in perhaps their only portrait?) And I couldn't help but add to my comment mud wasn't really a problem for the upper classes;) I mean can you really imagine a working woman wearing a velvet trained dress in the field? Reminds me of all the criticism of trained dresses of the 1870s.. heheh. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm... finally getting to the end of this dress.. hooray! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 22:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2WKHP008165 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2UNUw011940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2UHHp000522; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta1.adelphia.net (mta1.adelphia.net [64.8.50.175]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2UDHp000432 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lola.broadviewnet.net ([24.49.198.52]) by mta1.adelphia.net ESMTP <20030618023241.DGCR25556.mta1.adelphia.net@lola.broadviewnet.net> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:32:41 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030617212755.02f4ee30@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:33:23 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am I period or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:40 AM 6/17/03 -0600, you wrote: >And the classic remark "Remember, purple was only worn by queens". > >Dianne And since I AM the one in the purple Italian Renn and the doctored purple Italian Renn (with the french hood and the plastron) I was more than slightly offended at some of the thoughtless snarking going on with some of these pictures (actually, three of the gowns are my creation; the purple was my design, but not my execution) Stuff like "you killed Liberace for his skin didnt you?" Honestly, I don't mean to get all huffy and whatnot but it's thoughtlessness like this that makes it hard for people to take this seriously. I thought the website was a good idea until the comments started going a bit too far. This isn't a "I'm taking my dollies and going home" post, far from it. I will continue to play in the SCA until the day I cock up my pointy toes, but if someone ever says to my face what's been posted by rude people in the "comments", I promise them a thoroughly scathing lesson in manners, etiquette, and the value of common courtesy. Mother always said "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." And those who cannot be civil or constructive shouldn't play at all. Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 17 22:58:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2wuHP008294 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2vDUw014071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:57:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2v7s3014181; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I2v5s3014147 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m212.in-tch.com [216.166.191.212]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5I2cHj16952 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EEFD561.F4F00357@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:58:41 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? References: <20030616180108.C25512-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Silk can also be pretty "shiny" independent of what it's woven as (if that makes any sense). Of the silk fabrics and silk embroidery made of "thrown" as opposed to "spun" silk that I've seen, the former are much more light reflective than the latter, even hundreds of years later. In the quote in the original post, it sounded more as if the commentor on the website was questioning the use of satin in a partlet. --sue Drea Leed wrote: > > > > > This had me wondering if silk is not supposed to be "satiny" or shiny duing > > this time period? Why or why not? > > Silk came in both shiny and non-shiny/duller weaves. Satin was a popular > fabric of the time; their silk satin was much stiffer than the charmeuse > silk you find nowadays. You can still buy heavy silk satin from places > like Thai Silks, but you'll be shelling out $20 to $30/yd for the heavy > stiff stuff that best replicates the 16th c. look. > > I've found that you can get a relatively accurate "look" by backing > charmeuse satin with a stiff canvas or similar stiff fabric. > > Good luck, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:00:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I40MHP008649 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3wXUw019206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3wK5Z015022; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3wH5Z014995 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGN00M7LSD2V9@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:33:42 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... In-reply-to: <20030618012359.59130.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617203205.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:23 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I paid $3/yd for the green velvet, and I can tell you >where to get it (it's in LA, in the garment district). > >I'll shop for cream silk when I'm down there next >month, as everything I have is too thin/light >(habotai) or too heavy (dupioni/shantung). Maybe a >nice georgette... > >Dawn Ok, I gotta bite... which store in the LA garment district did you get that price for velvet at? And is it fabric weight or upholstery weight? I am looking for green velvet to make drapes from. And I will be going to that area in August with Costume College. TIA Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:01:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I41FHP008655 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:01:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3xTUw019308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3xF5Z015731; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3wH5b014995 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGN00M7LSD2V9@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:49:06 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: <20030618003753.63985.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617204345.0281fc18@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617102835.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:37 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Look at the woodcuts, particularly those by Jost Amman >(available from Dover). There is also a 7-volume set >of "German Single-Leaf Woodcuts" that you might be >able to find at your local university library (sets >are currently selling for around $500) to peruse. > >Dawn Alas, while my local college does have the whole woodcut series, it is only available during regular M-F 9-5 hours, and I don't have a car during that time. Someday I will get to that series to drool as I have heard many wonderful things about it. On the Dover book, I will try to get that one. I had seen it once before years ago, and thought it didn't have enough on costume, and had more funky looking stuff... angels and whatnot like Amazon's excerpt has. Someone who has more knowledge of German stuff than me should post a review of the book at Amazon, please. Thanks Dawn!! Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I41mHP008658 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3xxUw019356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I3xm5Z016141; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80404.mail.yahoo.com (web80404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I3wS5Z015047 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618035822.856.qmail@web80404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:58:22 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiny silk, and amiperiodornot.com To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <168.2022ec1a.2c1ff6c5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: There's two guys > on there that you can't possibly resist- they've got > terribly impressive > codpieces. I mean, one's bejewelled! But then, I > think he may have been playing a > very impressive noble, or the king. Uh, I'm not sure I should admit this, but I know both the guys with said codpieces. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:16:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4GfHP008694 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:16:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4EsUw020583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4Eg5Z024071; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4Ed5Z024033 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5I4EcPn010109 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.53] (tnt-1-117.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.53]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4EWdl010047 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:42:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:49 AM -0700 6/17/03, Kimiko Small wrote: >At 11:08 AM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>So the person making the comment may have had a point; it's just hard to >>get all the nuances into a one-line comment. And the person who says "But >>I can document it" probably has a stack of images to point to and feels >>justified about it -- but that doesn't mean that *any* of them represent >>real clothing. >> >>--Robin > > >Wow, I hadn't realized the whole... library of art knowledge that is >required to replicate costumes accurately. How would one go about >learning all this fine line knowledge without getting my own PhD? I >am serious about this, as I very much want to improve my knowledge >of costuming details, and yet it seems rather overwhelming, that all >the art images we base much of our costuming on may not be >appropriate to base our costuming from. Naturally, a lot of this simply comes from studying the topic for a long time, but there are a lot of useful steps to put you on the path. One of the most useful ones is to question _everything_. Take nothing directly at face value -- always question assumptions, look for alternate explanations, try to find other angles on the same topic. Similarly to this -- associate with other people who question everything. Beware of "authorities" (whether in print or in person) who offer only single explanations and expect you to take them at face value. Lean more towards those who discuss and explain multiple competing theories and show you the evidence and weaknesses for each. Engage in debate over interpretations and try not to get too emotionally attached to particular theories and interpretations. Any time you think you have (or someone else has) "the" answer, give your critical faculties a swift kick and get them working again. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:20:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4K7HP008729 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:20:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4INUw021115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4IF5Z026936; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4FU5Z024737 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-17-96.o1.jps.net ([216.119.17.96] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SUM4-0003au-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:15:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c33552$5be48840$601177d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030617212755.02f4ee30@mail.broadviewnet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:28:27 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not having a ren-faire background, I've come across this "purple" issue a few times. Seems those "in the know" dispute the "only royals wear purple" which I haven't heard yet. For the record, the proclamation (or statues - I'll still working out the difference) issued under Elizabeth in 1574 states "None shall wear in his apparel any silk of the color of purple, cloth of gold tissued, nor fur of sables, but only the King, Queen, King's mother, children, brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; and except dukes, marquises, and hearls, who may wear the same in doublets, jerkins, linings of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, purple in mantles only:" So both these views have a half truth to them, it's not purple in general for royals, but purple silk. Also depends on the year, but I think under Henry there was a similar rule, but I'd have to check. I'll have all the sumptuary from the Tudor Monarchs up on my site in two weeks, or the 30th. Plus there will be a downloadable version done in a font that replicates The Hand of the Court of the Common Pleas so people can print it off on parchment paper and use it at faire or where ever if they wish. Could be fun!! Lisa www.threadneedlest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Wickens" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am I period or not? > At 07:40 AM 6/17/03 -0600, you wrote: > >And the classic remark "Remember, purple was only worn by queens". > > > >Dianne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:26:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4QHHP008753 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4OVUw021771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4OK5Z000537; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4OC5a000461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5I4OOHe021940 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:24:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5I4ONDA021938 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:24:23 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:24:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1> <01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306180024.23325.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5I4OC5a000461 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 17 June 2003 05:47 pm, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I know I have seen a painting somewhere that shows a woman from the side or > 3/4 turned away where you can see that her necklace fastens with a ribbon. > I want to say it is perhaps Flemish or Italian, but I could be wrong. It is > a bead necklace which fastens with a ribbon in the back (perhaps through > rings?) not a necklace made of a ribbon, if that makes sense. > > I have searched my books and online and I can't figure out what it was! A > friend wants to make a necklace and is hoping to document that sort of > fastener. Can anyone help? I've seen pictures of 16th c carcanets where the strand has a large metal ring (the ones I remember were oval in shape) on each end. I think all you need to do is thread a ribbon through the rings and tie in a bow. -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:32:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4WvHP008800 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:32:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4VFUw022565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4V35Z004580; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80405.mail.yahoo.com (web80405.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I4Ux5Z004488 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618043054.5309.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:30:54 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:30:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the ... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617203205.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:23 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >I paid $3/yd for the green velvet, and I can tell > you > >where to get it (it's in LA, in the garment > district). > > > >I'll shop for cream silk when I'm down there next > >month, as everything I have is too thin/light > >(habotai) or too heavy (dupioni/shantung). Maybe a > >nice georgette... > > > >Dawn > > > Ok, I gotta bite... which store in the LA garment > district did you get that > price for velvet at? And is it fabric weight or > upholstery weight? I am > looking for green velvet to make drapes from. And I > will be going to that > area in August with Costume College. > > TIA > > Kimiko Answered offline (but it is a jobber in the 800 block of Ninth Street, even-numbered side, if anybody wants to know). Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 00:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4teHP008874 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:55:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4rmUw024487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I4re5Z016591; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80411.mail.yahoo.com (web80411.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I4rZ5Z016328 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618045329.85045.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:53:29 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001001c33552$5be48840$601177d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Lisa Sinervo wrote: > Not having a ren-faire background, I've come across > this "purple" issue a > few times. Seems those "in the know" dispute the > "only royals wear purple" > which I haven't heard yet. For the record, the > proclamation (or statues - > I'll still working out the difference) issued under > Elizabeth in 1574 states > "None shall wear in his apparel any silk of the > color of purple, cloth of > gold tissued, nor fur of sables, but only the King, > Queen, King's mother, > children, brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; > and except dukes, > marquises, and hearls, who may wear the same in > doublets, jerkins, linings > of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, > purple in mantles > only:" > > So both these views have a half truth to them, it's > not purple in general > for royals, but purple silk. Also depends on the > year, but I think under > Henry there was a similar rule, but I'd have to > check. > > I'll have all the sumptuary from the Tudor Monarchs > up on my site in two > weeks, or the 30th. Plus there will be a > downloadable version done in a > font that replicates The Hand of the Court of the > Common Pleas so people can > print it off on parchment paper and use it at faire > or where ever if they > wish. Could be fun!! > > Lisa Thanks, Lisa! I'm looking forward to seeing it. The "Thou shalt not wear purple" at Faire dates from the late 1970s or early '80s when the woman playing ERI at the Renaissance Pleasure Faires (both North and South) wore a purple gown, and Phyllis Patterson was concerned that everybody could easily pick out the Queen (this is the same reason they had everyone in court dressed in black for years). This had a funny, unintended side-effect one year: every year, Home Silk Shops (a now-defunct chain of fabric stores) sponsored a really good costume contest opening weekend. First prize was (IIRC) 2 passes for the run of Faire, 2 hand-made pewter goblets, and presentation to the Queen during the show on the Main Stage. A friend of mine had found a set of old cotton velvet drapes (purple) in a thrift shop and built her first Elizabethan court gown, not realizing that there was a prohibition on purple. She and her escort (dressed in a nifty Spanish court suit currently hanging in my wardrobe) walked away with 1st prize, but it marked the only time that the winners of the Nobleman's Costume Competition were not presented to the Queen. They still got all the other goodies, and got presented to the Queen when they won the following year. Are you including the exclusions for military on your site? Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 02:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6liHP026777 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:47:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6jtUw003871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6joL1022419; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4.mebtel.net [64.40.67.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6jjL1022374 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1195B27946 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF0194C.2010200@grics.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:48:28 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? References: <20030618045329.85045.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030618045329.85045.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also there is the matter of the word "purple". Its modern meaning is more like royal-purple, which *isn't* the Royals' purple from the middle ages. The medieval purple was more of a reddish tone, leaning towards magenta, which came from the mediterranean shellfish and was horrendously expensive. The price and rarity of the shellfish dye was probably the reason for the "exclusive rights" thing. And if someone had later found a way to fake it, the royalty could still have wanted to ban the fake hue, after investing all that money in the real stuff. (I would have! :-P ) Heather L Dawn Jacobson wrote: >--- Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > >>Not having a ren-faire background, I've come across >>this "purple" issue a >>few times. Seems those "in the know" dispute the >>"only royals wear purple" >>which I haven't heard yet. For the record, the >>proclamation (or statues - >>I'll still working out the difference) issued under >>Elizabeth in 1574 states >>"None shall wear in his apparel any silk of the >>color of purple, cloth of >>gold tissued, nor fur of sables, but only the King, >>Queen, King's mother, >>children, brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; >>and except dukes, >>marquises, and hearls, who may wear the same in >>doublets, jerkins, linings >>of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, >>purple in mantles >>only:" >> >>So both these views have a half truth to them, it's >>not purple in general >>for royals, but purple silk. Also depends on the >>year, but I think under >>Henry there was a similar rule, but I'd have to >>check. >> >>I'll have all the sumptuary from the Tudor Monarchs >>up on my site in two >>weeks, or the 30th. Plus there will be a >>downloadable version done in a >>font that replicates The Hand of the Court of the >>Common Pleas so people can >>print it off on parchment paper and use it at faire >>or where ever if they >>wish. Could be fun!! >> >>Lisa >> >> > >Thanks, Lisa! I'm looking forward to seeing it. > >The "Thou shalt not wear purple" at Faire dates from >the late 1970s or early '80s when the woman playing >ERI at the Renaissance Pleasure Faires (both North and >South) wore a purple gown, and Phyllis Patterson was >concerned that everybody could easily pick out the >Queen (this is the same reason they had everyone in >court dressed in black for years). This had a funny, >unintended side-effect one year: every year, Home Silk >Shops (a now-defunct chain of fabric stores) sponsored >a really good costume contest opening weekend. First >prize was (IIRC) 2 passes for the run of Faire, 2 >hand-made pewter goblets, and presentation to the >Queen during the show on the Main Stage. A friend of >mine had found a set of old cotton velvet drapes >(purple) in a thrift shop and built her first >Elizabethan court gown, not realizing that there was a >prohibition on purple. She and her escort (dressed in >a nifty Spanish court suit currently hanging in my >wardrobe) walked away with 1st prize, but it marked >the only time that the winners of the Nobleman's >Costume Competition were not presented to the Queen. >They still got all the other goodies, and got >presented to the Queen when they won the following >year. > >Are you including the exclusions for military on your >site? > >Dawn > >===== >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 03:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I71NHP032359 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6xZUw004962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6xYO3028512; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f32.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I6xWO3028455 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:59:27 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:59:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:59:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 06:59:27.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[287907F0:01C33567] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Also there is the matter of the word "purple". Its modern meaning is more >like royal-purple, which *isn't* the Royals' purple from the middle ages. >The medieval purple was more of a reddish tone, leaning towards magenta, >which came from the mediterranean shellfish and was horrendously expensive. > The price and rarity of the shellfish dye was probably the reason for the >"exclusive rights" thing. And if someone had later found a way to fake it, >the royalty could still have wanted to ban the fake hue, after investing >all that money in the real stuff. (I would have! :-P ) > >Heather L Didn't purple later become a half mourning color? Speaking of purple, what does one do with a very dissappointing purple velvet? I haven't whacked off a piece and tried to wash the stiff scratchyness off the back yet, but it looked much less plasti-shiny in the pictures. I'm not limiting the ideas to actual clothing. I'm just trying to think of something to do with it if it's completely not wearable. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 03:11:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7BBHP004378 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:11:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I79IUw005894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I79HO3003529; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I79EO3003425 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0577.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.66]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03A0BE70D for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EF010C3.5080305@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:12:03 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Thanks! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I would like to thank you all for the nice commeny on my partlet and help with information on the painting. Today I will be going on vakation for 2.5 weeks. :-) :-) :-) . Hopefully I wil compete with my weddingdress in a SCA Arts and Sience competition. And come back with lots of nice pictures :-) . Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 03:49:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7nSHP019924 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7ljUw008885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7liO3020624; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I7lgO3020595 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618074737.88011.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:47:37 BST Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:47:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet or is the nap rayon? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030618000815.22381.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Dawn Jacobson wrote: > > We're just going to have to make sure we don't both > wear the same dress to the same event at the same > time, or we'll look like we've been to a fire sale. This is HIGHLY unlikely, for I live in the UK, travel a bit around Europe, want to visit New Zealand, but have no intention in the foreseeable future to visit the US. Seee.... unless you come to Kent, it just won't happen. ;-) > ;-) OTOH, if we could get a few more people to make > the same dress, in the same colors, we could be the > "Artistic Reform Police." ;-D *cackles* > Feeling terribly silly because finals are over, grades > are turned in, and (finally!) my summer vacation > starts tomorrow afternoon. CONGRATS!!! Enjoy your holidays. Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 04:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I80SHP024400 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7wjUw009371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I7wihD024262; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I7wghD024232 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618075836.74104.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:58:36 BST Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:58:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EEF4E7A.5050506@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Elizabeth Young wrote: > > I like the overgown w/ the straps holding the sides of the skirt > together. And I don't think I like a high-necked underdress. I know I > don't like the sleeves on the square-necked undergown, but I don't know > which sleeve I do like. That's as far as I"ve gotten! I think this one is my favourite one: http://lamodebagatelle.com/single1.gif don't like this one because of the straps across the bust: http://lamodebagatelle.com/violin1.gif Of this one, again, I like the one in the back: http://lamodebagatelle.com/couple1.gif Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 04:28:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8SPHP005809 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8QdUw011360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8QbhD006433; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cumulus.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8QYhD006414 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from main (dialup-18.144.221.203.acc02-geor-mor.comindico.com.au [203.221.144.18])h5I8QVZQ059270 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:26:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c33573$d3046e60$1290ddcb@mshome.net> From: "Ray Nevin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618075836.74104.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:30:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This page shows the front and back of each layer which makes things clearer when deciding if to buy the pattern. http://dragonflydesignstudio.com/Patterns/LMBteagown.JPG You know I had convinced my self that I was going to use the green silks and stuff for something else and that I didn't really want this pattern. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 04:51:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8pIHP012386 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8luUw013162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5I8lthD016826; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5I8lrhD016784 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:47:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618084748.99670.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:47:48 BST Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:47:48 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002401c33573$d3046e60$1290ddcb@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Ray Nevin wrote: > This page shows the front and back of each layer which makes things clearer > when deciding if to buy the pattern. > > http://dragonflydesignstudio.com/Patterns/LMBteagown.JPG Thanks! Well I don't like undergown B, but love the neckline of undergown C and the sleeves of undergown A. I really do like Overgown A. > You know I had convinced my self that I was going to use the green silks and > stuff for something else and that I didn't really want this pattern. HEHEHEHR!!! No chance! Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 08:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IC7EHP012900 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:07:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IC5KUw029287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IC5Gi9012554; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4-7.mebtel.net [64.40.67.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IC5Bi9012486 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:05:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F8639C23 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF0641A.2000909@grics.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:07:38 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe References: <2B11F59A.4C83CBB3.349D0FDF@cs.com> In-Reply-To: <2B11F59A.4C83CBB3.349D0FDF@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow. Is the supposed Masonic influence in the mortarboard design an urban legend? Edwinna bowing - deeply! - to your info ConstanceFairfax@cs.com wrote: >You could try my website >http://home.uchicago.edu/~atterlep/costuming/academic%20clothing.htm > >"Angela F. Lazear" wrote: > > > >>Does anyone here on the list know the origins of the cap and gown? My >>daughter just graduated hs and she asked me how old they were. I thought >>something like 12C Europe, but didn't really have a clue? If you don't know >>offhand, do have a good online source for the info? I did a quick google and >>didn't get very far, but I'm swamped right now and not at the computer much. >> >>Robin? >> >>angela >>+++++ >>Angela F. Lazear >>Cabbage Rose Costumes >>http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >>Theatrical Costume Design >> >>"I have no other but a woman's reason: >>I think him so, because I think him so." >>Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 08:19:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICJiHP012932 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICHxUw000883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICHwi9019312; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4-7.mebtel.net [64.40.67.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICHni9019247 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDB139C5F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF0670C.5040606@grics.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:20:12 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Icky Purple (was Statutes...) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you live where it gets cold enough for a cape/cloak/coat thingie? Or is the front plastic-y too? Otherwise... A really REALLY ritzy tent roof? A reclining-sofa shaped beanbag chair? Boat seatcovers... I dunno I think the heat is getting to me Edwinna thinking "SCA-Event-on-the-River" (we could pretend it's the Thames) Jennifer Sena wrote: >> Also there is the matter of the word "purple". Its modern meaning is >> more like royal-purple, which *isn't* the Royals' purple from the >> middle ages. The medieval purple was more of a reddish tone, leaning >> towards magenta, which came from the mediterranean shellfish and was >> horrendously expensive. The price and rarity of the shellfish dye >> was probably the reason for the "exclusive rights" thing. And if >> someone had later found a way to fake it, the royalty could still >> have wanted to ban the fake hue, after investing all that money in >> the real stuff. (I would have! :-P ) >> >> Heather L > > > Didn't purple later become a half mourning color? > > Speaking of purple, what does one do with a very dissappointing purple > velvet? I haven't whacked off a piece and tried to wash the stiff > scratchyness off the back yet, but it looked much less plasti-shiny in > the pictures. I'm not limiting the ideas to actual clothing. I'm > just trying to think of something to do with it if it's completely not > wearable. > > > > Jennifer Sena > Distant Designs > http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi > > I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 08:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICLLHP012935 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICJYUw000980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICJYi9019897; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICJUi9019870 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SbuU-0003y0-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:19:30 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c33593$de21fd60$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <001001c33552$5be48840$601177d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal cc: "'Lisa Sinervo'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Hand of the Court of the Common Pleas so people can ~print it off on parchment paper and use it at faire or where ever if they ~wish. Could be fun!! [Sg:] This does sound like fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 08:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICO7HP012940 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICMNUw001232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICMMi9021072; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4.mebtel.net [64.40.67.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICMKi9021053 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6769827871 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF0681C.1040701@grics.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:24:44 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks! References: <3EF010C3.5080305@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3EF010C3.5080305@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Knock 'em dead Deredere! Like anyone has to tell you that, that partlet will do that for you and the rest of the gown will finish 'em off!!! Edwinna envious of all you object-finishers out there:-) Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to thank you all for the nice commeny on my partlet and > help with information on the painting. > Today I will be going on vakation for 2.5 weeks. :-) :-) :-) . > Hopefully I wil compete with my weddingdress in a SCA Arts and Sience > competition. > And come back with lots of nice pictures :-) . > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 08:52:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICqUHP013237 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICoiUw002873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ICogi9002377; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5ICofi9002329 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618125035.1038.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:50:35 BST Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:50:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] New book on shoes (2001) by June Swann X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just picked up some books from Inter Library Loan and amongst them was one I ordered just to see what it was like, because it got a good review in the latest "Costume" issue. It is brilliant! The photos are breathtaking, just for this it is worth ILL'ing it. Swann, June. History of Footwear: In Norway, Sweden and Finland, Prehistory to 1950. Stockholm, Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien, 2001. Gorgeous, sumptuous, fascinating, and that without evenhaving read it yet. Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID6IHP013305 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID40Uw003672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID3wvn007692; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID3tvn007659 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-060.jps.net ([216.119.3.60] helo=pavilion) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ScbS-000209-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:03:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c3359c$2ecd90a0$3c0377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618045329.85045.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:18:59 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > > Are you including the exclusions for military on your > site? > > Dawn > I'm including the six or eight statutes in full as transcribed by Paul L. Hughes and James F. Larkin as found in their three volume work "Tudor Royal Proclamations". Since this is far less than 10% of the work, I'm applying the "fair use" clause for educational purposes part of the copyright act and hoping no one will complain. For anyone interested in history, check this set out as an ILL! It's fascinating!!!! And an easy read too. There is even a statue that says if someone in your household has the plague, you must put a 10 foot pole out your window with something similar to a flag at the top to warn others. I wonder if this is the origin of the expression, "I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole?" Thanks too for the faire history story. Some things I scratch my head at. The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another puzzlement for me for ages. There's a story behind that too, but I can't remember it anymore. I've heard the "purple" clarification a few times, but not the rule yet. It will be interesting to see what form it takes when someone eventually tells me. Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:10:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDAqHP013334 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:10:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID8wUw004088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID8wvn010374; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ID8svn010336 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p45-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.204.109] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ScgF-0003uq-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:08:52 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF0645A.3000500@ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:08:42 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished my partlet!! References: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <3EEDD340.5060001@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was *finally* able to access your site tonight.. more than likely a connection somewhere along the line.. it took over a week for me to see my own site from NZ;) All I can say is heel moi:) michaela http://glittersweet.com > Yes it is finished!!!!! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Partlet/Partlet.html > > Hopefully I will have better pictures after my vakation :-) . > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDD0HP013346 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDBCUw004302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDBBvn011598; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IDB8vn011556 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 92749 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 13:11:00 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.121173 secs); 18 Jun 2003 13:11:00 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.121173 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 13:11:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am just scratching my head, because I have heard the not-shiny silks for > some time, and yet see many examples from paintings of the period. I also > hear that pink isn't appropriate either, yet I have examples that show > otherwise... but that's another ball of wax that I don't have to worry > about right now so I won't. There are several "garban legends" floating around. Some were created by renfaires (black isn't period for peasants, etc.) Others are created by overgeneralization ("x isn't period for this particular place & time" becomes "x isn't period".) Other myths are taken from old costume books that contain fallacious information but have become popular research sources, like the whole concept of a "corselet" over a bliaut. Until the 16th century, satin weaves were primarily dull satin. It wasn't until the later 16th century that quite shiny satin pops up in portraits and paintings. It is really hard to get an idea of just how the fabrics of the time actually looked from potraits; I recommend the book "Five Centuries of Italian Textiles", which has hundreds of photos of fabric, many of them in color, from 1300s-1800s. It gives you a much better idea of what fabrics actually looked like. Also, some big museums around the country have collections of renaissance textiles (like the Chicago Institute of Art.) It can be worth a road trip to look at the actual thing. Hot pink is period (made from orchil lichen), but was not widely used and faded substantially over time. Rose pinks made from madder or kermes were quite widespread. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDDUHP013352 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:13:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDBcUw004340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDBbvn011801; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDBYvn011781 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p45-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.204.109] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Scio-000475-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:11:31 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF064FE.40000@ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:11:26 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] burgundian orange dress References: <001901c33027$b556faa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001901c33027$b556faa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Dear Michaela. > I also must apologise for my late sneaking wiew on your orange burgundian > dress. > I love the way you have made your website, very nice! > Interresting to see such old fashions, very nice! Thank you so much Bjarne:) I am always too late at reading and responding to the list. So I shall take this time to let you know your work always inspires me:) Even long before I really joined up with H-cost I'd seen your page and absolutely adored your work. I cannot recall just now if someone I know in Europe told me about it, or if I stumbled across it in a search. off to bed I toddle. michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:15:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDFjHP013361 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:15:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDE1Uw004492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDE0vn012620; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDDvvn012593 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SclA-0003We-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:13:56 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c3359b$794d2dd0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002401c3359c$2ecd90a0$3c0377d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another puzzlement for me for ages. ~There's a story behind that too, but I can't remember it anymore. I've ~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, but not the rule yet. It ~will be interesting to see what form it takes when someone eventually tells [Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list (h-cost)? A tourney list? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:22:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDMPHP013399 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDKbUw004915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDKZvn015478; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDKVvn015438 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26665 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:20:31 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26661 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:20:31 -0400 Message-ID: <024801c3359b$cef372d0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:16:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Sena" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? > Didn't purple later become a half mourning color? Yes, though I believe it was in later periods like Regency, Victorian, Edwardian, etc (I could be wrong!). I am not sure if they wore the darker purples, but I know they wore the lighter ones and grays for half mourning. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:23:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDN4HP013403 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:23:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDLGUw004975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDLGvn015894; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDLDvn015852 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-004scfairp0196.dialsprint.net ([63.184.224.196] helo=faucet.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ScsC-0001YT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:21:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF074CA.4080206@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:18:50 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030617212755.02f4ee30@mail.broadviewnet.net> <001001c33552$5be48840$601177d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa Sinervo wrote: > For the record, the proclamation (or statues - > I'll still working out the difference) issued under Elizabeth in 1574 states > "None shall wear in his apparel any silk of the color of purple, cloth of > gold tissued, nor fur of sables, but only the King, Queen, King's mother, > children, brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; and except dukes, > marquises, and hearls, who may wear the same in doublets, jerkins, linings > of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, purple in mantles > only:" Thanks, Lisa. I'd like to add something that's probably been said on this list before: the bright color now called "royal purple" was not the color that was called purple in the 16th century. Their purple was a much redder tone. > I'll have all the sumptuary from the Tudor Monarchs up on my site in two > weeks, or the 30th. How wonderful! Thanks! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:30:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDUPHP013448 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:30:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDSYUw005442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDSWvn019256; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDSTvn019240 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29350 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:28:29 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22765 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: <025101c3359c$ec0840c0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1><01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <200306180024.23325.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:24:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener > I've seen pictures of 16th c carcanets where the strand has a large metal ring > (the ones I remember were oval in shape) on each end. I think all you need > to do is thread a ribbon through the rings and tie in a bow. > Ooh thank you, that helps a lot for another project I have in mind! I have seen the painting she is basing her necklace on and it isn't what I had envisioned. I think it is either a solid beaded necklace to slip over the head or it has the little hook clasp I have seen on some extant pieces. However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they look like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as possible. I gave her the link to sign up for this list, by the way, as I know she would love to be able to learn from all of you as I have! :) Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDa4HP013471 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDYIUw005954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDYGvn022119; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IDYFvn022096 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3178 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 14:12:17 -0000 Received: from 66-44-104-75.s583.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.104.75) by shada.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 14:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF06A12.8050305@oldwaylane.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:33:06 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book on shoes (2001) by June Swann References: <20030618125035.1038.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030618125035.1038.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > I just picked up some books from Inter Library Loan and amongst them was one I > ordered just to see what it was like, because it got a good review in the > latest "Costume" issue. It is brilliant! The photos are breathtaking, just for > this it is worth ILL'ing it. > > Swann, June. History of Footwear: In Norway, Sweden and Finland, Prehistory to > 1950. Stockholm, Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien, 2001. > > Gorgeous, sumptuous, fascinating, and that without evenhaving read it yet. ooh, thanks, that sounds wonderful! And Amazon sells it for $31.25. Especially with 357 pgs, 443 blk/wht and color illos. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 09:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDnkHP013539 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:49:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDlqUw007240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDlpvn029503; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IDllvn029451 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from escom.antek [192.168.0.151] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AD824CB0298; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:47:46 -0500 Received: From 74w0d01 ([65.45.18.250]) by escom.antek (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1055944065347; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01c3359c$38aae500$0764a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1><01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP><200306180024.23325.cathy@thyrsus.com> <025101c3359c$ec0840c0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:19:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to > recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: > http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html > She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they look > like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures > where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone > seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be > able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as > possible. > I've made this necklace, and in every copy of it (I have several since Durer is one of my favorite artists) that I have seen the cone shape beads appear to be black glass, which is what I used. It looks "right", if that helps any Cyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IE8iHP013651 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:08:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IE1wUw008733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IE1ugx007983; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IE1sgx007970 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-9-144.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.144] helo=pavilion) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SdVZ-0007KM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c335a4$48ab4b40$900977d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c3359b$794d2dd0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:16:58 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A tourney list. Some longtime SCA people might be able to tell that story. I think it was American in orign and it carried over to the Australian SCA folks. I only remembered it sufficiently to know "Eric" was not historical and let the details slide. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel > ~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another puzzlement for me for ages. > ~There's a story behind that too, but I can't remember it anymore. I've > ~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, but not the rule yet. > It > ~will be interesting to see what form it takes when someone eventually > tells > > > [Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list (h-cost)? A tourney > list? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEE5HP013658 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEBhUw009596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEBggx013553; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web60002.mail.yahoo.com (web60002.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.225]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IEBegx013497 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.53] by web60002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:34 BST Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for the late response, I didn't have the details of my source at home. The company is called Humphries Weaving Company. They display the following contact information: The Humphries Weaving Company Ltd., DeVere Mill, Queen Street, Castle Hedingham, Halstead, Essex, CO9 3HA, UK Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/humphries.weaving/ Tel +44 (0) 1787 461193 Fax +44 (0) 1787 462701 E-mail sales@humphriesweaving.co.uk London Showroom - Alton Brooke Ltd., Chelsea Harbour Tel +44 (0) 20 7376 7008 Fax +44 (0) 20 7376 7009 email abrooke@compuserve.com USA Showroom - Classic Revivals Inc., Boston Tel +1 (617) 574 9030 Fax +1 (617) 574 9027 www.classicrevivals.com So if you are feeling flushed with cash then these are the people to contact. Rachel ===== Threads of History www.threadsofhistory.co.uk __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEGkHP013664 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEEuUw009871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEEtgx015260; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEEqgx015226 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Sdi8-00024H-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:14:52 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:14:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c335a3$fc291cc0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Rachel..I have called a retailer of 100% silk and confirmed that way also that it exists....I think the person I was dealing with was more concerned with being right than really discussing the matter. Oh well, I hope she learned a lesson. I certainly won't be shopping from her. I certainly don't ascribe to the "customer is always right" theory, but people just assume you are an idiot! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 10:51:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEpRHP013710 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEnhUw013456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEnfgx007135; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IEncgx007111 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 32-90.tnt-1.york.supernet.com ([64.41.32.90] helo=[64.41.32.118]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SeFX-00050f-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:49:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200306181320.h5IDKmvp015615@net.indra.com> References: <200306181320.h5IDKmvp015615@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:48:40 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: urban color legends... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Say is there a site for the 'urban color legends' like the one for internet ones??? I could really use one to point some folks to...esp. the black one as I'm on the computer without the color/dye files one it... Ta Carol, currently processing the most amazingly black fleece--now for the sun to shine so the washed bit will dry! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IF8MHP013774 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IF6RUw015147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IF6PbL019040; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IF6FbL018870 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-020dcwashp0405.dialsprint.net ([63.191.137.151] helo=DF1HCJ11) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SeVp-000195-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c335ab$2ae7f430$9789bf3f@DF1HCJ11> From: "Maryann Calvert" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:06:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 14c36d25b68b7c740ac2c6b81153bf749ef193a6bfc3dd48eb998e51c9f63043ac6709b0116d932d666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] middle eastern garb X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5IF8MHP013774 Status: RO A friend of ours is having a SCA Middle Eastern Wedding. I have to make garb for my husband, daughter (adult size) & myself. I just started to learn to sew a few months ago. I need to find patterns! Can anyone help, please? Thanks in advance for all your help. I have learned so much from all of you already! Maryann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:21:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFLHHP013799 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFJMUw016415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFJKbL028246; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFJGbL028191 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from laptop.ntlworld.com ([80.5.59.66]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ESMTP <20030618151916.EUJB4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@laptop.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:19:16 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030618161519.018eca70@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:19:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] Introduction In-Reply-To: <001001c335a4$48ab4b40$900977d8@pavilion> References: <000201c3359b$794d2dd0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BEC7FCA; boundary="=======260B7F0F=======" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======260B7F0F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BEC7FCA; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good day, everyone! I'm new to the list, so I thought I'd better introduce myself. My interest in costume is primarily three fold. 1. I make doll's house dolls, sometimes in period. I'm conceiving an idea for a Brides series, one for each decade of the twentieth century. You can see some of the dolls on my website. When I can, I try to use the proper pattern, for instance, my Georgian doll Elizabeth, was made using a simplified sacque pattern of the period. Since the dolls are 5 and a half inches high, sometimes details have to be simplified! 2. I'm a historical novelist. My books are set in the Georgian and Regency period. Costume is only one of the things I have to get right! 3. Sheer fascination. Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT Award winning historical romance http://www.geocities.com/lynne_connolly2001/ The latest Richard and Rose story, VENICE, from Novelbooks Inc "He smiled, and in a quick, convulsive movement gathered me up to him and pushed his hand up into my hair. I felt it give way in a shower of pins, falling down my back. This time his kiss held nothing gentle about it, releasing his passion and need. I returned it, my shyness evaporating chimerically as my desire for him rose in a heated rush." --=======260B7F0F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======260B7F0F=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:22:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFMdHP013805 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFK3Uw016466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFK2bL028730; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFJxbL028681 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip26.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.26]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C801C6D8D9 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:19:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book on shoes (2001) by June Swann Message-ID: <3EF020AF.17061.315EE763@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030618125035.1038.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I just picked up some books from Inter Library Loan and amongst them > was one I ordered just to see what it was like, because it got a good > review in the latest "Costume" issue. It is brilliant! The photos are > breathtaking, just for this it is worth ILL'ing it. > > Swann, June. History of Footwear: In Norway, Sweden and Finland, > Prehistory to 1950. Stockholm, Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och > Antikvitets Akademien, 2001. > > Gorgeous, sumptuous, fascinating, and that without evenhaving read it > yet. Oh, good! She finally finished it. I got the impression when I spoke with her that it would never be finished. She's a very interesting lady. She very gruff but also very nice. I met her at the Janet Arnold memorial. She came up to me and said "hello, I like shoes". (I didn't find out until much later what her name was.) She then proceeded to introduce me to all of her "friends" (like Naomi Tarrant and the director of the Pasold institute, as well as many others who were there.) She made me feel that I was her "protege". She left me talking with the Pasold guy but then later came back to talk more about shoes (which she had figured out I had an interest in and really enjoyed hearing her talk about.) She's one of those people that could be considered "national treasures" like Janet Arnold, Jean Hunnisett, Santina Levey and others that you wish would stay forever young and available. Those (like Santina Levey) who are still alive should be greatly appreciated while they are still with us. I always wonder who will be trying to take their places because often times there do not seem to be many who are "coming up in the ranks." Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 11:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFqHHP013871 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFoNUw019766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFoKbL019203; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFoGbM019154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h5IFoGox019152 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:15 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle eastern garb Message-ID: <20030618155015.GC24759@net.indra.com> References: <001601c335ab$2ae7f430$9789bf3f@DF1HCJ11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001601c335ab$2ae7f430$9789bf3f@DF1HCJ11> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maryann: > A friend of ours is having a SCA Middle Eastern Wedding. I have to > make garb for my husband, daughter (adult size) & myself. Ah, Middle Eastern garb is fairly easy, and quite comfortable. And be thankful it's not an Elizabethan wedding! :) Here are some nice sites with photos: http://www.mindspring.com/~lesterw/pictures.html http://www.mincom.gov.ma/english/gallery/cos/costumes.html http://www.geocities.com/tala571/patterns.html http://witch.drak.net/lilinah/links-ME-costume.html says the following, which I think is good: If you don't want to draft your own, Folkwear makes some patterns that you can use - quite a number of tunics, some vests and coats, and several different styles of pants, even a burnous (Moroccan cloak). Most Folkwear patterns include information on traditional (although not necessarily SCA authentic) embroidery and decoration. (Many places on the web sell Folkwear patterns) * Gaza Dress - a basic T-tunic in several sizes. Although there's a woman on the package, this can be worn by anyone. * Egyptian Shirt - can be lengthened for a tunic. I use the shaped yoke - it looks similar to those in Persian after Mongol "contact" - but avoid the lotus and papyrus applique - it's definitely NOT period. * Syrian Dress - T-tunic with "diamond" shaped yoke * Turkish Coat - very useful garment * Sarouelles - three different styles for men and women - narrow and poofy (also spelled sarawal and serouel in literature). * Moroccan Burnoose - a North African cloak, traditionally worn by men. * Algerian Suit - actually late period Turkish. * West African Robe & Trousers Yoruba Tunic & Trousers - if you have a West African persona. And even if you don't, check out the pants - they're rather typical of men's pants from all over the Muslim world * Afghani Nomad Dress - a favorite of mine for mundane wear, although i don't think it's documentable in period. >From the Children's Collection: * Little Folks - eight patterns and a variety of optional handwork techniques for a Japanese Kintaro, Mexican Dress and Baby Shirt (basic tunics with nice detailing), Korean Booties, Nepali Chupa, Moroccan Djellaba, and Turkish Tunic and Bloomers. Very useful and covers ages from a couple months to a couple years. Atira's Fashions Patterns - commercially made patterns, primarily for belly dancers. They are used by a number of SCA Middle Easterners - most are not really authentic, but you've got to start somewhere (for example, the set-in sleeves on most of these are *not* authentic in period). -- Please allow up to 4 weeks for delivery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:06:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG6iHP013904 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG4tUw021545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG4pVK000196; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG4SVK029793 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19177 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:04:27 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20785 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <029401c335b2$b5737780$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1><01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP><200306180024.23325.cathy@thyrsus.com><025101c3359c$ec0840c0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <009f01c3359c$38aae500$0764a8c0@algx> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Extremely helpful! Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener > > > However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to > > recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: > > http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html > > She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they > look > > like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures > > where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone > > seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be > > able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as > > possible. > > > > I've made this necklace, and in every copy of it (I have several since Durer > is one of my favorite artists) that I have seen the cone shape beads appear > to be black glass, which is what I used. It looks "right", if that helps > any > > Cyn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGE4HP013918 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG7HUw021806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG7GVK002048; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IG7DVK002009 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19830 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:07:12 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24121 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <02a001c335b3$17bfcdd0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c3359b$794d2dd0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <001001c335a4$48ab4b40$900977d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes ofApparel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:03:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It had something to do with the little flags that hung from the rope surrounding the list area. Originally they were red and another color (yellow?). The other color was not as durable and so soon it was just red flags. They jokingly referred to it as Eric the Red. Soon it was perceived as being period to call it an erik. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes ofApparel > A tourney list. Some longtime SCA people might be able to tell that story. > I think it was American in orign and it carried over to the Australian SCA > folks. I only remembered it sufficiently to know "Eric" was not historical > and let the details slide. > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:13 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel > > > > ~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another puzzlement for me for ages. > > ~There's a story behind that too, but I can't remember it anymore. I've > > ~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, but not the rule yet. > > It > > ~will be interesting to see what form it takes when someone eventually > > tells > > > > > > [Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list (h-cost)? A tourney > > list? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGJ4HP013946 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGHAUw022998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGH8VK009333; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-3.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.3] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGH4VK009283 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail3.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A07F339B006C; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:03 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A07E9BE012A; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <009501c335b5$491261c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:18:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] OT: Helpful Information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I ran across some information last week on a tech list. I wanted to pass it along to you all because so many h-costumer have websites . It is a study on how spammers get your email address, http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml After reading the study, you can easily use keystrokes to encode your email address by going to this website, http://www.wbwip.com/wbw/emailencoder.html . All you need to do is write your email address and click on encode. Since spammers heavily harvest from messageboards, I suggest you keystroke encode your email address there too. Now, I have been encoding our email addresses for a week on our new webpages. Instead of writing mailto: youremail@address.com , write mailto: the numbers from the encoding website. When you write the tag do like this: Questions??? email: HERE

Make sure to put the visual like as something besides your address or the spammers will get it. In the example, I used the word *HERE*. When people click on the word *HERE* their email software will pop up but in the sender's name is your regular email address. I tested and proved this one, they don't see all the numbers. Please feel free to pass this message along to friends. The more people who can stop these people from spamming us the better. Penny Ladnier (who is sick of getting 300 spams a day) Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGORHP013965 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGM9Uw023646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGM7VK013252; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80411.mail.yahoo.com (web80411.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IGM4VK013158 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618162159.81441.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:21:59 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Artistic dress, Re: Dawn's velvet, To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030618084748.99670.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Ray Nevin wrote: > > This page shows the front and > back of each layer which makes things clearer > > when deciding if to buy the pattern. > > > > > http://dragonflydesignstudio.com/Patterns/LMBteagown.JPG > > Thanks! Well I don't like undergown B, but love the > neckline of undergown C and > the sleeves of undergown A. I really do like > Overgown A. > > > You know I had convinced my self that I was going > to use the green silks and > > stuff for something else and that I didn't really > want this pattern. > > HEHEHEHR!!! No chance! > I'm leaning toward dress A with sleeve B, and overdress A (out of the green velvet). Sharon, thanks for posting that link. I wasn't sure what the back of each looked like from the pictures on the La Mode Bagatelle web site. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGOcHP013968 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGMpUw023761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGMnVK013823; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGMCVK013325 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SfhH-000369-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:22:12 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Introduction Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:22:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c335b5$c372a8d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030618161519.018eca70@pop.ntlworld.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Howdy Lynne! You'll find yourself right at home here! There are a couple us of doll makers here! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGQiHP013972 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGOuUw024088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGOuVK015349; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGOrVK015322 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.145] (pm5-145.eos.net [205.133.149.145]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01902 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:33 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306180650.h5I6oML2024185@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am I Period or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, that site is a lot of fun! The nasty comments should be tossed, and some of the comments are just plain funny. But I agree they do show the lack of a common idea about what really is period! It was fun to look at so many different outfits, some of them really stunning. I had to laugh about the site address, after it was kindly posted for me. I saw that it was evident all the time -- but I had looked at it as some sort of foreign word (amiperiodornot), maybe the name of a gemstone or something, during my hasty scan. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:29:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGTuHP013983 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGS8Uw024550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGS3VK017575; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-3.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.3] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGRwVK017536 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail3.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A30E33F2006C; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:27:58 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A30DAE30146; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301c335b6$cdb4bd00$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306181320.h5IDKmvp015615@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: urban color legends... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:29:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't have the urban colors but I am putting some of my color documentation online in my library. Currently I have the majority of a book called Harmony of Dress online from 1922, http://www.costumegallery.com/1922/Color/ . Another section is the 1880s, http://www.costumegallery.com/1882/colors.htm Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGVeHP013997 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGTmUw024809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGTiVK019024; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80403.mail.yahoo.com (web80403.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IGTbVK018845 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618162932.94296.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:29:32 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes ofApparel To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <02a001c335b3$17bfcdd0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The "real" story of why the field of combat is called an "Eric" in the SCA (from a couple of crusty old fighters I know). Originally there were 4 ropes used for designating the field of combat. Each was a different color: white, red, yellow, and (I think) blue. Three of the ropes disappeared between events, leaving only 1 original: the red one. Hence, it became known as "Eric, the red rope." Over time, it got shortened to "Eric." Dawn --- Beteena Paradise wrote: > It had something to do with the little flags that > hung from the rope > surrounding the list area. Originally they were red > and another color > (yellow?). The other color was not as durable and so > soon it was just red > flags. They jokingly referred to it as Eric the Red. > Soon it was perceived > as being period to call it an erik. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Sinervo" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: > Purple and Statutes > ofApparel > > > > A tourney list. Some longtime SCA people might be > able to tell that > story. > > I think it was American in orign and it carried > over to the Australian SCA > > folks. I only remembered it sufficiently to know > "Eric" was not > historical > > and let the details slide. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > To: "'Historical Costume'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:13 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: > Purple and Statutes of > Apparel > > > > > > > ~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another > puzzlement for me for ages. > > > ~There's a story behind that too, but I can't > remember it anymore. I've > > > ~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, > but not the rule yet. > > > It > > > ~will be interesting to see what form it takes > when someone eventually > > > tells > > > > > > > > > [Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list > (h-cost)? A tourney > > > list? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGW4HP014004 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGUDUw024891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGUCVK019472; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IGTwVK019170 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWokpyUru2UtnPaflw5gIJY/2ZrmJrBPzBg==">; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:29:42 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2YJ3ELR; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:29:42 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Introduction Message-ID: <20030618.121950.-164057.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! Welcome to the list. What a multi talented lady you are. You are in good company here, and those of us who don't have all those talents will enjoy yours immensely. At least I will. I spent a long time visiting your site and it makes me want to go back and finish my doll house. (A very simple one compared to yours.) Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:34:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGYQHP014020 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGWeUw025133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGWdVK021240; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGWaVK021154 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.177.1c392701 (4340) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <177.1c392701.2c21ee0f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:32:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/03 9:17:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drea@nospam writes: > There are several "garban legends" floating around. Some were created by > renfaires (black isn't period for peasants, etc.) Others are created by > overgeneralization ("x isn't period for this particular place &time" > becomes "x isn't period".) Other myths are taken from old costume books > that contain fallacious information but have become popular research > sources, like the whole concept of a "corselet" over a bliaut. Uh oh. Drea, would Herbert Norris' "Medieval Fashion and Costume" be one of those? Because he has drawings of a "corsage" over a bliaut. Picture Eowyn's Shieldmaiden gown, with the necklines reversed (corsage is keyhole, bliaut is bateau-ish). And my aunt gave me the book as a graduation present. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGjjHP014096 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGhwUw026619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGhuVK029741; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IGhsVK029672 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWokpyUru2Utn0rQL7tikXTZFQnELWULzwQ==">; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:43:28 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H2YKUMHG; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:43:28 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? Message-ID: <20030618.123413.-164057.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,12-14,15-32767 From: catpurson@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Christine, please don't get me wrong. It was sweet of your aunt to get you a costuming book for graduation, but Norris is not the most accurate of authors. Sometimes he gets it right and sometimes he makes it up. It was one of the first books I got on costuming too. I think it is one that too many people get first and then just stay with it as gospel. Use it, but carefully. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGoaHP014127 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:50:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGmYUw027183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGmXVK003282; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGmTVK003236 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07076 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:48:28 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06614 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:48:28 -0400 Message-ID: <02ed01c335b8$db864410$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618162932.94296.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and StatutesofApparel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:44:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for setting it straight. I had gotten the story from someone who heard it from someone, etc... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Jacobson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and StatutesofApparel > The "real" story of why the field of combat is called > an "Eric" in the SCA (from a couple of crusty old > fighters I know). > > Originally there were 4 ropes used for designating the > field of combat. Each was a different color: white, > red, yellow, and (I think) blue. Three of the ropes > disappeared between events, leaving only 1 original: > the red one. Hence, it became known as "Eric, the red > rope." Over time, it got shortened to "Eric." > > Dawn > > --- Beteena Paradise wrote: > > It had something to do with the little flags that > > hung from the rope > > surrounding the list area. Originally they were red > > and another color > > (yellow?). The other color was not as durable and so > > soon it was just red > > flags. They jokingly referred to it as Eric the Red. > > Soon it was perceived > > as being period to call it an erik. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lisa Sinervo" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: > > Purple and Statutes > > ofApparel > > > > > > > A tourney list. Some longtime SCA people might be > > able to tell that > > story. > > > I think it was American in orign and it carried > > over to the Australian SCA > > > folks. I only remembered it sufficiently to know > > "Eric" was not > > historical > > > and let the details slide. > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > > To: "'Historical Costume'" > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:13 AM > > > Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: > > Purple and Statutes of > > Apparel > > > > > > > > > > ~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another > > puzzlement for me for ages. > > > > ~There's a story behind that too, but I can't > > remember it anymore. I've > > > > ~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, > > but not the rule yet. > > > > It > > > > ~will be interesting to see what form it takes > > when someone eventually > > > > tells > > > > > > > > > > > > [Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list > > (h-cost)? A tourney > > > > list? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > h-costume mailing list > > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 12:51:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGphHP014130 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGnQUw027277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGnPVK003934; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGnMVK003893 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07300 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:49:21 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07296 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <02f401c335b8$fb1e56f0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <177.1c392701.2c21ee0f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:45:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Norris.... *shudder* ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? > In a message dated 6/18/03 9:17:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drea@nospam > writes: > > > There are several "garban legends" floating around. Some were created by > > renfaires (black isn't period for peasants, etc.) Others are created by > > overgeneralization ("x isn't period for this particular place &time" > > becomes "x isn't period".) Other myths are taken from old costume books > > that contain fallacious information but have become popular research > > sources, like the whole concept of a "corselet" over a bliaut. > > Uh oh. Drea, would Herbert Norris' "Medieval Fashion and Costume" be one of > those? Because he has drawings of a "corsage" over a bliaut. Picture Eowyn's > Shieldmaiden gown, with the necklines reversed (corsage is keyhole, bliaut is > bateau-ish). And my aunt gave me the book as a graduation present. > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 13:00:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IH0KHP014140 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGuaUw028074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGuTLg008946; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IGuJLg008806 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08389 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <177.1c392701.2c21ee0f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Norris, was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > Uh oh. Drea, would Herbert Norris' "Medieval Fashion and Costume" be > one of those? ... And my aunt gave me the book as a graduation > present. Well, it is very pretty and will make a nice keepsake ;-) Norris is so riddled with assumptions, inventions, and outright errors that it's impossible to offer guidance on how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Norris compounds misinterpretations from his Victorian predecessors with his own "improvements" and "corrections." Because of the book's easy availability as a popular source and its seductive completeness, I consider it the single most pervasive source of misinterpretations of medieval costume among re-enactment costumers today. Even costumers who have never looked at Norris will pick up Norris's errors from other costumers in their groups, because so many of his assumptions and interpretations have been enshrined in the conventional wisdom. I don't even like to recommend to people that they use the book to get general ideas and then hunt for better documentation, because there's too great a chance you'll get erroneous impressions in your head ... and because so many of his "facts" don't seem to have any historical basis. (I've been meaning to pick up a copy of the Dover reprint at some point because I use it so often to trace origins of misconceptions. I have a copy out from the library right now -- thanks for reminding me to renew it today. I have an original edition of the Tudor volume, on my "Notorious Sources" shelf, but not the medieval volume. If anyone wants to unload their copy cheap, I'll buy it.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 13:30:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHU4HP014212 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHSGUw002282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHSBLg002653; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHS5Lg002535 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08607 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:51:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:51:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kimiko Small wrote: > Wow, I hadn't realized the whole... library of art knowledge that is > required to replicate costumes accurately. How would one go about > learning all this fine line knowledge without getting my own PhD? I am > serious about this, as I very much want to improve my knowledge of > costuming details, and yet it seems rather overwhelming, that all the > art images we base much of our costuming on may not be appropriate to > base our costuming from. > > Are there any specific books or something I can research to learn a > small fraction of what you have obviously learned over the years? > Something to get me started in the right direction? Wow, I leave the computer for half a day, and look at the thread I missed. I wasn't ignoring you, honest ... though I'm glad everyone else jumped in, so now I don't have to repeat the good stuff other people said. A few unconnected thoughts to add on to what's already been posted: -- Focus on a specific period as your base for your research. In another post, you mentioned that you do have a period of interest -- good. I've found that in the SCA in particular, there's a habit of drawing the line around the "SCA period" that covers 1,000 years and many cultures, and saying that something is or isn't "period" based on that. This is far too large and disparate a context to get a handle on. Focus on a specific time/place bite, and work out from there. You'll certainly want to keep an eye on the margins -- the time periods before and after your period of interest, and the cultures that interact with your culture of interest -- but you need a place to set your feet. -- Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. You need a good grounding in the history of your place/time as well. The one good thing about the costume history class I had in college was that it required the basic History of Western Civilization course as a prerequisite. That made so much sense! -- Look at as many art sources as you can, focused on as narrow a time/place area as you can. You'll know you've hit your stride when art from other places and periods looks odd, but art from your own place and period looks "normal." By immersing yourself in the visual images of a culture, you will develop a sense for what is considered the "norm" and what might be exceptions or outliers. If you see something in only a couple of images, that's your first hint that it might be a symbolic image, an artist's fantasy invention, a later restoration, a mis-identified or mis-dated piece, or something else not reliable. -- Look at art from a broad range of media. Each medium has its own conventions and limitations. Color in tapestries is more reliable for clothing color than color in manuscripts, for instance. Dating on manuscripts is more reliable than dating on tapestries. Learn something about each medium that was an important source for your period. If some particular type of artwork thrived in your place/time context, find books that focus on that type of artwork; you'll learn about the way the artists operated, and you'll also find more pictures that don't make it to the general survey sources. (I must have 15 books just on monumental brasses, for instance, which were an important source of visual images in my specialty period of 14th c. England -- and I can tell you all sorts of things about the specific ways in which they're unreliable.) -- Read the captions. Find out who the people are in the pictures. In many cases, they'll be royalty, saints, Biblical or historical figures, allegorical images, or foreigners -- all of whom may have suspect elements to their costume as a means of visual identification. Eventually you will learn how artists of your specific period manipulated costume elements for purposes of symbolism and identification. In my period, saints are common in artwork, and each has its own visual iconography that may influence depiction. I keep my reference book on saints close by. I can now walk through a museum and mutter "Agnes," "Barbara," "Catherine," "Dorothy," etc. at a glance as I pass by paintings. -- Don't rely only on artwork. If you're in a period that has extant garments, read up on them. If your period has accessible literature or poetry, read some of it. If you have documentary evidence, look for sources on those -- but that's much harder to find, and a life's work in itself. If you're in the 16th century, you have almost everything, including good books by academics *about* the clothing of your period that will distill much of it for you, starting with Janet Arnold's Elizabethan studies. -- Bear in mind the class distinctions of your time/place. Not everything in every image is appropriate for every person, or every context. Images often are constructed to tell you what type of person someone is and what circumstances they are in; if you mix and match elements from different images, you need to have a solid understanding of whether they go together. OK, my brain is dumped for the moment. Discuss amongst yourselves ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 13:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHZEHP014216 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHXNUw002819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHXKLg006297; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHX2Lg006044 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCE336981 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19SgnE-00081X-00 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:32:20 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:32:19 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Drea wrote: > Until the 16th century, satin weaves were primarily dull satin. It wasn't > until the later 16th century that quite shiny satin pops up in portraits > and paintings. It is really hard to get an idea of just how the fabrics > of the time actually looked from potraits; I recommend the book "Five > Centuries of Italian Textiles", which has hundreds of photos of fabric, > many of them in color, from 1300s-1800s. It gives you a much better idea > of what fabrics actually looked like. Got an ISBN for that book? I'm having trouble finding it. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 13:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHbVHP014223 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHZgUw003165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHZfLg008174; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80407.mail.yahoo.com (web80407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IHZcLg008080 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030618173533.88649.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.199.42.4] by web80407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:33 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <177.1c392701.2c21ee0f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: > Uh oh. Drea, would Herbert Norris' "Medieval > Fashion and Costume" be one of > those? Because he has drawings of a "corsage" over > a bliaut. Picture Eowyn's > Shieldmaiden gown, with the necklines reversed > (corsage is keyhole, bliaut is > bateau-ish). And my aunt gave me the book as a > graduation present. OK, here's a question for everybody--if you're giving a book to a new costumer as a gift, what title (under $15 or so) would you give? I just ran up against this because I wanted to get a little "thank you" for my assistant on "Oz," and she's a beginning costumer. I got her a copy of Kohler, mostly because it's one of the first books I bought for historical costuming, and I've used my copy a bunch over the years. So what titles would you place on the list? Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 13:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHopHP014266 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHi0Uw004351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHhuLg014193; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IHhrLh014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-160-176-162.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.160.176.162])h5IHj0Ae031647 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:43:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030618173533.88649.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Janet Arnold's books, Nancy Bradfield's (which I am forgetting the title of), Naorah Waugh Corsets and Crinolines. > > OK, here's a question for everybody--if you're giving > a book to a new costumer as a gift, what title (under > $15 or so) would you give? > > I just ran up against this because I wanted to get a > little "thank you" for my assistant on "Oz," and she's > a beginning costumer. I got her a copy of Kohler, > mostly because it's one of the first books I bought > for historical costuming, and I've used my copy a > bunch over the years. > > So what titles would you place on the list? > > Dawn > > ===== > Dawn Jacobson > Vallejo, CA, USA > > Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:21:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IILEHP014348 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:21:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIJEUw008433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIJ9gs008899; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIJ5gs008824 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C440636981 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19ShWS-00084P-00 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:19:04 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wrote: > Got an ISBN for that book? I'm having trouble finding it. > > Never mind... found them on bookfinder.com for about $100 second-hand, which is out of my budget for now :-/ K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:33:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIXcHP014372 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIVeUw009736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIVegs018041; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIV6gu017654 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGO00CG0WRTVR@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:00 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-reply-to: <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618110915.02e55818@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Until the 16th century, satin weaves were primarily dull satin. It wasn't >until the later 16th century that quite shiny satin pops up in portraits >and paintings. I wonder what changed. >It is really hard to get an idea of just how the fabrics >of the time actually looked from potraits; I recommend the book "Five >Centuries of Italian Textiles", which has hundreds of photos of fabric, >many of them in color, from 1300s-1800s. It gives you a much better idea >of what fabrics actually looked like. I found a copy online, but it is $100 for a used copy. I guess it will have to wait a bit before I can get it in my budget, or my hubby will be upset. I buy way too many books it seems. >Also, some big museums around the country have collections of renaissance >textiles (like the Chicago Institute of Art.) It can be worth a road trip >to look at the actual thing. I haven't been to Chicago since I was a child, but if anyone knows of museums with textiles around California, I wouldn't mind making the trip locally. >Hot pink is period (made from orchil lichen), but was not widely used and >faded substantially over time. Rose pinks made from madder or kermes were >quite widespread. When I did Scots, we used to make purple samples in wool from lichens as well. Lovely color but not as colorfast as I would have liked. Never did make anything from the small amount I had. We also came up with pretty pinks in various hues from berries. One lady made her leine from a berry dyed cotton and it was sorta mauve-y pink. Not really my color, but it was nice. >Drea Thanks Drea! I appreciate your comments. I am really learning a lot from you ladies and gentlemen. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIXeHP014375 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIVtUw009758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIVpgs018153; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIV6gw017654 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGO00CG0WRTVR@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:21:51 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-reply-to: <20030618090319.U63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618111919.02e5d600@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617095448.0281cd90@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:11 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I recommend the book "Five >Centuries of Italian Textiles", which has hundreds of photos of fabric, >many of them in color, from 1300s-1800s. It gives you a much better idea >of what fabrics actually looked like. Doing a google search on the above book title, I found this interesting page that lists various books on textiles for various SCA periods up to 1600. "This bibliography is a collection of references to the specifics of historic Old World weave structures before 1600" http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/textilebiblio.html Long page, but seems very informative. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIYOHP014379 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:34:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIVBUw009659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIV9gs017685; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIV6gs017654 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGO00CG0WRTVR@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:04:20 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618110256.00af8760@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:51 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Wow, I leave the computer for half a day, and look at the thread I missed. >I wasn't ignoring you, honest ... though I'm glad everyone else jumped in, >so now I don't have to repeat the good stuff other people said. > >A few unconnected thoughts to add on to what's already been posted: Hi Robin Thanks so much for your posting and thoughts. I really appreciate your taking the time to give us a glimpse into what you have learned and how to go about in a similar process. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:36:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIaRHP014390 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIYWUw010003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIYSgs019982; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IIYKgs019859 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25753 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 18:34:11 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.078055 secs); 18 Jun 2003 18:34:11 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.078055 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:34:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <177.1c392701.2c21ee0f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030618140046.P63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Uh oh. Drea, would Herbert Norris' "Medieval Fashion and Costume" be one of > those? Because he has drawings of a "corsage" over a bliaut. Picture Eowyn's > Shieldmaiden gown, with the necklines reversed (corsage is keyhole, bliaut is > bateau-ish). And my aunt gave me the book as a graduation present. Oh yeah, Norris is one of the more notorious perps when it comes to getting jiggy with costume history. He did the best with what he had, but felt no compunction about "elaborating on" and "interpreting" period sources, using nothing but his imagination and early 20th century fashion sense. There is actually some very good information in Norris as well, but you really have to know your stuff to filter the good from the bad. I use it as an "overview" source, if at all. Drea > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIdkHP014399 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIbpUw010452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIbmgs022570; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-3.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.3] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIbfgs022472 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail3.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A17520034; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:37:41 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A17422B008A; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:37:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00fa01c335c8$d1d2f2a0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:38:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] New Costume Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rachel Torrey asked me to pass this along about her exhibit: Exhibit: La Belle Époque Where: Museum of Art and History, Santa Cruz, CA The years preceding the First World War are referred to today as La Belle Époque, or “The Beautiful Era.” There is some debate among historians as to the exact years encompassing this period, yet it is generally considered to be between 1890 and 1914, ending abruptly with the onset of World War I. By the end of the Victorian era (1901), the flourishing industrial economies of America and Europe had created stability and vast wealth, and the prosperity of the times affected the standards of living of all classes. The lavish lifestyles of the new American aristocracy were reflected in their clothing and decorative arts. Fashion and interiors were opulent and overburdened with expensive detail. When contemplating the aesthetics of la Belle Époque, one is drawn to visions of elegant, fashionable ladies and gentlemen promenading in stunning costumes. The Nouveaux Riches of the gilded age missed no opportunity to lavishly flaunt their fortunes in the decades before the income tax. This extravagance of the aristocracy is most clearly evident in the opulent attire of the fashionable women of the Edwardian (1901-1911) and pre-WWI years. A ladies age, marital standing, and social rank were clearly denoted by her clothing; therefore much attention was lavished on her wardrobe. This exhibit consists of approximately 12 dresses from about 1892 to 1914 from the museum’s permanent collection. Other objects from the period include shoes, hats, purses and other accessories. Photographs from the period will also be on display highlighting ladies from Santa Cruz who embodied the forward thinking ideal of “the New Woman”. This exhibit runs from July 5 to October 5 2003. These dresses will be displayed in the Art Forum Gallery on the 3rd floor of the museum building at 705 Front Street in Santa Cruz California. For more information please visit the Museum of Art and History’s website: http://www.santacruzmah.org/369_belle_epoque.html or Email Rachel Torrey at harleyquinn669@yahoo.com Curator led tours will start at 2:00 pm on the following dates: July 5th July 19th August 9th September 13th [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:47:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIl7HP014420 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIihUw011373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIiggs028767; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIicgs028635 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com(16099) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m32.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v94.29) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee33ef0b30234e; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:44:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:44:18 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7D71B35B.403889A9.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Colors per month... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi- This weekend, I was reading a commonplace book manuscript which I found absolutely fascinating. there was a page about apparel which included such tidbits as: Bulls go mad when they see red clothing Elephants do the same when they see white But what I thought was really cool was - Colors for each month January - White February - Ash Color etc. Have you seen anything like this before? I believe this portion of the manuscript dates during Elizabeth's late reign. Constance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:48:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IImJHP014426 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIkUUw011607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIkTgs000310; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IIkRgs000278 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 61693 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.079018 secs); 18 Jun 2003 18:46:18 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.079018 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:46:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030618144227.J63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here you go: Fanelli, Rosalia Bonito. Five Centuries of Italian Textiles: 1300-1800, A Selection from the Museo del Tessuto Prato. Prato: Cassa di Risparmi e Depositi di Prato, 1981. It's used, but bookfinder.com should have some copies for sale. It has over 100 photos of textiles & paintings showing textiles. I particularly like the book's method of showing a period painting of a textile next to a photo of a textile with a near-identical motif. It really lets you get a feel for what painted textiles "actually" looked like in real life. Enjoy, Drea (the budget-smiter) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 14:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIvwHP014446 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIs7Uw012629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIs5gs007388; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IIs1gs007291 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 86163 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 18:53:52 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.066578 secs); 18 Jun 2003 18:53:52 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.066578 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:53:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) In-Reply-To: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Message-ID: <20030618144645.N63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's a problem--all of the really good "beginner" books (like the ones mentioned by Heather) are in the $25-$50 range. Anything below 15 will probably be OK, but not a "great intro". Kohler has some good patterns, and is as good a book as any you'll find under $15 (and better than some....*cough*Norris*cough*...) Boucher's "20,000 Years of Fashion" would be my favorite pic for a new costumer. (The expanded 1987 edition, not the original 1966 edition.) It covers a broad range, has over a thousand excellent and inspirational pictures (several hundred in color), and presents a good, accurate picture of costume in general. ISBN: 0810916932 New, it's $50; bookfinder.com has some copies for around $30. Drea On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Heather Meadows wrote: > > Janet Arnold's books, Nancy Bradfield's (which I am forgetting the > title of), > Naorah Waugh Corsets and Crinolines. > > > > > > OK, here's a question for everybody--if you're giving > > a book to a new costumer as a gift, what title (under > > $15 or so) would you give? > > > > I just ran up against this because I wanted to get a > > little "thank you" for my assistant on "Oz," and she's > > a beginning costumer. I got her a copy of Kohler, > > mostly because it's one of the first books I bought > > for historical costuming, and I've used my copy a > > bunch over the years. > > > > So what titles would you place on the list? > > > > Dawn > > > > ===== > > Dawn Jacobson > > Vallejo, CA, USA > > > > Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:04:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJ4IHP014460 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJ2RUw013783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJ2Pxr015111; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IJ2Mxr015060 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12215 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 19:02:13 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.162341 secs); 18 Jun 2003 19:02:13 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.162341 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 19:02:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618110915.02e55818@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030618145537.D63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I found a copy online, but it is $100 for a used copy. I guess it will have > to wait a bit before I can get it in my budget, or my hubby will be upset. > I buy way too many books it seems. Try interlibrary loan-ing it; you should probably be able to find a copy in California. I'm with you on the book buying problem...compulsive gamblers have NUTHIN' on me. Fortunately, my husband collects Big Guns and so has no way to berate me for buying expensive things that I don't need. ;> > I haven't been to Chicago since I was a child, but if anyone knows of > museums with textiles around California, I wouldn't mind making the trip > locally. LACMA! The Los Angeles County Museum of Art. They have quite a few renaissance items, and the Doris Stein Research Center, full of textile resources & actual textiles. They have actual 16th & 17th c. tailor's pattern books, too. *sigh* one day I'll get out there... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:23:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMvHP014522 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJKcUw015968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJKbEM028809; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJKXEM028771 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from patriot.net (support.patriot.net [209.249.176.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h5IJKX87017630 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:20:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200306181920.h5IJKX87017630@jefferson.patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:17:06 -0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the 18thC, we've just seen the publication of Mara Riley's _Whatever Shall I Wear_, a nice overall guidebook which I think is close to $15. I've also received a gift here and there of a less-than useful book. Unfortunately, most bookstores don't have the really good books, we special order them or we buy them in museum shops. Some museums will have exhibition catalogs that are not expensive, and some from past exhibits are marked down. The Metropolitan Museum of Art is wonderful for that. How about some postcards of favorite paintings? You can buy some every time you visit a museum and give a stack of them as a gift. If the recipient doesn't use them as a reference, they can use them as postcards. :-) Sally Queen's historic costume calendars make great gifts. The more unusual the publication, the less likely the recipient will have it (even a long-time costumer). Also you could have some fabric or trim in your stash that you'll never use, but would be useful for someone else's interests. -Carol Drea Leed said: > That's a problem--all of the really good "beginner" books (like the ones > mentioned by Heather) are in the $25-$50 range. Anything below 15 will > probably be OK, but not a "great intro". Kohler has some good patterns, > and is as good a book as any you'll find under $15 (and better than > some....*cough*Norris*cough*...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:24:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJOMHP014526 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMMUw016128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMMEM029996; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IJMKEM029981 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 90068 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Jun 2003 19:22:10 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.13936 secs); 18 Jun 2003 19:22:10 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.13936 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 19:22:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors per month... In-Reply-To: <7D71B35B.403889A9.349D0FDF@cs.com> Message-ID: <20030618152026.F63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! What was the manuscript, and from where? I've seen similar "anecdotes" about clothing in Alessio's Book of Secretes (1580s) and Wecker's "Secretes of Arts and Nature") (1640, translated from a 16th c. German source.) Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his Contemporary goes into detail about symbolic color meaning; I'll bet they reference similar type of books. Drea On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 ConstanceFairfax@cs.com wrote: > Hi- > > This weekend, I was reading a commonplace book manuscript which I found absolutely fascinating. there was a page about apparel which included such tidbits as: > > Bulls go mad when they see red clothing > Elephants do the same when they see white > > But what I thought was really cool was - > > Colors for each month > January - White > February - Ash Color > etc. > > Have you seen anything like this before? I believe this portion of the manuscript dates during Elizabeth's late reign. > > Constance > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:24:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJOOHP014529 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:24:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMZUw016194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMXEM000322; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJMTEM000131 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.a2.388ee790 (4394) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shi... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:54:55 PM Central Standard Time, drea@nospam writes: > Boucher's "20,000 Years of Fashion" would be my favorite pic for a new > costumer. (The expanded 1987 edition, not the original 1966 edition.) It > covers a broad range, has over a thousand excellent and inspirational > pictures (several hundred in color), and presents a good, accurate > picture of costume in general. ISBN: 0810916932 > > New, it's $50; bookfinder.com has some copies for around $30. > I second 20,000 Years of Fashion..and it seems to be really easy to find in a lot of used book stores. I got mine for $19 at Half-Price books, and I've seen it at two other Half-Price bookstores. Half.com often has it for dirt cheap, too. -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 15:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJfOHP014601 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJdXUw018099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJdVEM013035; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IJdREM012975 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SimE-0006me-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:39:26 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:39:16 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c335d1$53c089f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any idea's what a male Frank from the 8th century would wear on his head? This fellow is a duke in the SCA so I guess he needs to be able to wear it under his coronet.would they do that? He was thinking a phrygian cap? Way out of my time and space.thought I would ask you for a quicky answer and then dig my books out.. He'd be wearing it with the Tunic (its almost done!) I am making him..I have a little trim left over. http://www.saragrace.net/5A_tunic_tales.html Just in case you are wondering, it is NOT a highly accurate garment..I think cool is a little more important to him than historic accuracy.. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 16:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IK8pHP014680 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IK70Uw021237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IK6vmY004172; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IK6lmY004042 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from escom.antek [192.168.0.151] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id A655183027A; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:06:45 -0500 Received: From 74w0d01 ([65.45.18.250]) by escom.antek (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1055966803816; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:06:43 -0500 Message-ID: <016f01c335d1$29692720$0764a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618152026.F63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors per month... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:38:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was just looking for an inspiration for an embroidery piece and I came across this site for emblems, in particular, you might be interested in this one... http://www.mun.ca/alciato/e118.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors per month... > Wow! What was the manuscript, and from where? > > I've seen similar "anecdotes" about clothing in Alessio's Book of Secretes > (1580s) and Wecker's "Secretes of Arts and Nature") (1640, translated from > a 16th c. German source.) Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his > Contemporary goes into detail about symbolic color meaning; I'll bet they > reference similar type of books. > > Drea > > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 ConstanceFairfax@cs.com wrote: > > > Hi- > > > > This weekend, I was reading a commonplace book manuscript which I found absolutely fascinating. there was a page about apparel which included such tidbits as: > > > > Bulls go mad when they see red clothing > > Elephants do the same when they see white > > > > But what I thought was really cool was - > > > > Colors for each month > > January - White > > February - Ash Color > > etc. > > > > Have you seen anything like this before? I believe this portion of the > manuscript dates during Elizabeth's late reign. > > > > Constance > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 16:38:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKcQHP014765 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:38:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKYbUw024641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKYTmY026761; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKYJmY026540 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from laptop.ntlworld.com ([80.5.59.66]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ESMTP <20030618203417.KEOB28183.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@laptop.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:34:17 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030618212738.0186b348@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:34:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) In-Reply-To: <20030618144645.N63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> References: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-421215B8; boundary="=======259E328D=======" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======259E328D======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-421215B8; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 14:53 18/06/2003 -0400, you wrote: >That's a problem--all of the really good "beginner" books (like the ones >mentioned by Heather) are in the $25-$50 range. I think my favourite book in that price range is the Victoria and Albert=20 Museum's costume catalogue, "Four Hundred Years of Fashion." The last time= =20 I looked it was =A315. You get pictures of all the costumes in the=20 Collection, and detailed descriptions of them, with a general overview of=20 the history of costume since 1500 (they have nothing in the Collection=20 before that). Some of the pictures are in glorious colour, others are small= =20 black and white ones, but these are real costumes. I've dressed some of my= =20 dolls from that book, the descriptions are so good! I even had a go at=20 Dior's New Look suit, but the tailoring on the jacket was a bit of a=20 challenge in 1/12th scale. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1851771166/002-8738749-7264806 Amazon says it's out of print, but I don't think it can be. http://www.vandashop.co.uk/?f=3Ditemlist.php&c=3D65 Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT http://www.geocities.com/lynne_connolly2001/ Award winning historical romance VANESSA (Awe-Struck= books) She saw the way his muscles separated as he fought, became distinct when he= =20 put them to use. She'd felt them before, when he visited her at night, but= =20 never seen them until this moment, had indeed, rarely seen a man in any=20 stage of nakedness. Only poor souls chained to the stocks, their shirts=20 torn from their bodies, or beggars who couldn't afford to cover themselves= =20 properly. This was different. This man belonged to her. --=======259E328D======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======259E328D=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 16:58:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKw7HP014845 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKuHUw027312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKuFql013659; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f14.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IKuBql013543 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:56:06 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:56:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am I Period or Not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:56:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 20:56:06.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[093DD3F0:01C335DC] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I must have missed this post originally. I've been wondering what the to-do was about. Could someone send it privately so I can see the stunning-ness? Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! >Well, that site is a lot of fun! The nasty comments should be tossed, and >some of the comments are just plain funny. But I agree they do show the >lack >of a common idea about what really is period! It was fun to look at so many >different outfits, some of them really stunning. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 17:13:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILDVHP014928 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:13:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILBYUw029155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILBXql025733; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILBUql025665 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.173.1bf62c89 (15888) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v94.29) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e103ef0d574372; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:16 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors per month... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5B7E3EA0.4A4BD40A.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm pretty sure this is a none-too-often referenced manuscript, it's tucked away at the Newberry. It's got all of these fascinating "persona development" kinds of things - the late 16th century (man, I'm assuming) person's understanding of math, science, history. I am going to check into doing a transcription, it's very cool. Constance Drea Leed wrote: >Wow!  What was the manuscript, and from where? > >I've seen similar "anecdotes" about clothing in Alessio's Book of Secretes >(1580s) and Wecker's "Secretes of Arts and Nature") (1640, translated from >a 16th c. German source.)  Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his >Contemporary goes into detail about symbolic color meaning; I'll bet they >reference similar type of books. > > Drea > >On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 ConstanceFairfax@cs.com wrote: > >> Hi- >> >> This weekend, I was reading a commonplace book manuscript which I found absolutely fascinating.  there was a page about apparel which included such tidbits as: >> >> Bulls go mad when they see red clothing >> Elephants do the same when they see white >> >> But what I thought was really cool was - >> >> Colors for each month >> January - White >> February - Ash Color >> etc. >> >> Have you seen anything like this before?  I believe this portion of the >manuscript dates during Elizabeth's late reign. >> >> Constance >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 17:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILQmHP014986 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILOwUw000891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILOtql006403; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f117.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ILOpql006297 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:24:46 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:24:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Icky Purple (was Statutes...) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:24:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 21:24:46.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A9DB540:01C335E0] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Do you live where it gets cold enough for a cape/cloak/coat thingie? Or is >the front plastic-y too? Otherwise... A really REALLY ritzy tent roof? A >reclining-sofa shaped beanbag chair? Boat seatcovers... I dunno I think >the heat is getting to me > >Edwinna It's a smokey heather medium shade of purple, it's got some treatment on the back but not the heavy drape stuff and not rubber. The weight is kind of medium too. It's not horrible, but I've heard so many comments about how fake someone's velvet looked that I'm afraid to wear this. I haven't used velvets much but even I can tell this is a blend at best. Jen >>Speaking of purple, what does one do with a very dissappointing purple >>velvet? I haven't whacked off a piece and tried to wash the stiff >>scratchyness off the back yet, but it looked much less plasti-shiny in the >>pictures. I'm not limiting the ideas to actual clothing. I'm just trying >>to think of something to do with it if it's completely not wearable. >> >> >> >>Jennifer Sena >>Distant Designs >>http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi >> >>I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:04:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM4cHP015140 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:04:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM2hUw005142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM2e5x015050; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM2Y5x014997 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-126-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.126.152])h5IM2UbC012004 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:02:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030618143504.04c4b210@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:58:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Origins of the graduation robe In-Reply-To: <00ec01c334f6$e53ee790$3b457a43@angelap3a8d978> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone here on the list know the origins of the cap and gown? My >daughter just graduated hs and she asked me how old they were. I thought >something like 12C Europe, but didn't really have a clue? If you don't know >offhand, do have a good online source for the info? I did a quick google and >didn't get very far, but I'm swamped right now and not at the computer much. Using nothing but historical images to base my opinion on, I'd say that the idea of a gown originated from what Medieval scholars wore for everyday clothes. There are some contemporary images of 15th century students at a university in the 1950s Time/Life book "Life's Picture History of Western Man", showing robes on the (all male) students. But if you look at a painting of Thomas More or Erasmus (contemporary with Henry VIII), you can see a robe that looks very similar to a modern graduation robe, and a square-topped cap to go with it. IMHO, that's the place where graduation robes, and judges robes, fossilized, and that's the model we use today. The robe is called a Shaube, in German, and has a yoke with the back gathered into it. It also has a large flat collar in some examples. The sleeves vary in shape, but they are all big. (I'm finishing up my Harry Potter academic robe for the book release Friday at midnight, and they look a lot like what Americans think of as graduation robes. The father of one of the kids I babysit is a tenured math professor at one of the California State Universities, and has a PhD. He recently was required to buy an academic robe for formal occasions, and he let me examine the (several hundred dollar) thing when it arrived. Mathematics ones are standardized, he said, and are required to be made of some really sleazy silver-grey polyester. He said other departments had different ones which, in his opinion, looked nicer. His looked like somebody's made-up idea of Medieval, and wasn't clearly identifiable to any period I know. A vestigial hood had turned into a separate piece that hung down the back to maybe knee length, and was trimmed with not-very-good tomato-red velveteen. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:05:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM5gHP015146 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM3oUw005248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM3m5x015760; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IM2l5x015137 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:02:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Sl0w-00000n-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:02:47 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <007001c335e5$5a212390$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030618145537.D63988-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Guns, books, and fabric:Was Renaissance period silk shiny or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~Fortunately, my husband collects Big Guns and so has no way to berate me ~for buying expensive things that I don't need. ;> ~ [Sg:] LOL! One more thing we have in common. My husband also buys lots of guns! He is also lately been buying heavy duty metal working machines....I see lots of books and fabric in my future....:) It really does work out well, he doesn't blink an eye at all my books and fabrics...:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMTdHP015243 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMRoUw008580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMRk5x004697; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07bw.bigpond.com (mta07bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMRb5x004418 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.72]) by mta07bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HGP00MN67PR64@mta07bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:27:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.221.8 ([144.139.221.8]) by bwmam02.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 11/8625380); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:27:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 03:26:09 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <00d901c38b65$caab2f40$08dd8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030617212755.02f4ee30@mail.broadviewnet.net> <001001c33552$5be48840$601177d8@pavilion> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Purple and Statutes of Apparel Re: Am I period or not? > Not having a ren-faire background, I've come across this "purple" issue a > few times. Seems those "in the know" dispute the "only royals wear purple" > which I haven't heard yet. For the record, the proclamation (or statues - > I'll still working out the difference) issued under Elizabeth in 1574 states > "None shall wear in his apparel any silk of the color of purple, cloth of > gold tissued, nor fur of sables, but only the King, Queen, King's mother, > children, brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; and except dukes, > marquises, and hearls, who may wear the same in doublets, jerkins, linings > of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, purple in mantles > only:" > > So both these views have a half truth to them, it's not purple in general > for royals, but purple silk. Also depends on the year, but I think under > Henry there was a similar rule, but I'd have to check. > > And don't forget all those dukes, marquises and earls, which covers a fairish amount of the nobility, who it seems could also wear purple.... Claire (what about duchesses, marquesses, and countesses then?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:30:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMUbHP015253 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMSnUw008737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMSk5x005690; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07bw.bigpond.com (mta07bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMSd5x005492 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.72]) by mta07bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HGP00KSM7RHYT@mta07bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:28:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.221.8 ([144.139.221.8]) by bwmam02.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 11/8626549); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:28:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 03:27:12 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet oris the ... To: Historical Costume Message-id: <00dd01c38b65$efcaa9e0$08dd8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12.322d5e49.2c210b4e@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet oris the ... >>> > *chants* I will not have another costume on my to-do list. I already have > four, that's enough. I will not put another costume on my to-do list. No > matter how nice I look in dark green. I will not... > Dagnabbit Dawn... > > Only four? You just aren't trying hard enough. *grin* Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:37:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMb3HP015294 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMZEUw009631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMZC5x010429; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMZ75x010314 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.72]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HGP82900.DAY for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:34:57 +1000 Received: from 144.139.221.8 ([144.139.221.8]) by bwmam02.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 11/8634415); 19 Jun 2003 08:34:52 Message-ID: <00e501c38b66$d6df0150$08dd8b90@clarke> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance periodsilk shiny or not?) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 03:33:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance periodsilk shiny or not?) > > Janet Arnold's books, Nancy Bradfield's (which I am forgetting the > title of), > Naorah Waugh Corsets and Crinolines. > > > > Yes, but they're not really cheap - especially if you don't live on the same continent as an Amazon distributor. For mediaeval periods I'm rather fond of Mary Houston's book, which you can get as a Dover reprint for very cheap. If you don't pay much attention to the text it has lots of really great pics redrawn from manuscripts, brasses etc. There are issues with redrawing, I know, and most of the mid-late 15th century stuff is not much good, but it's a great source for the 13th century. Also, and I don't know how cheap these are, or that they're even still in print, but the Cunnington's series of books are good for the same period. These have a much better coverage of the 15th century. Similarly, they have manuscript and other source redrawings, but this time attributed. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:40:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMe9HP015308 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMcMUw009913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMcL5x012399; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www19.networkshosting.com (www19.networkshosting.com [66.96.128.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IMcG5x012296 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1677 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 22:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO costumepress.com) (67.31.141.101) by www19.fatcow.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 22:30:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF0E9CA.4DA5B5BE@costumepress.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:38:02 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Guns, books, and fabric References: <007001c335e5$5a212390$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Funny how that works . . . MD/Marged whose gunsmith/knifemaker husband often benefits from her book and fabric buying impulses Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > My husband also buys lots of guns! He is also lately been buying heavy duty metal working machines....I see lots of books and fabric in my future....:) > > It really does work out well, he doesn't blink an eye at all my books and fabrics...:) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 18:59:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMxmHP015350 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMt1W0011254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IMer5x014061; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5IMem5x013997 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16086 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 22:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.166.66.205) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 22:40:46 -0000 Message-ID: <019601c335ea$a9b24d80$cd42a6d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030618212738.0186b348@pop.ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:40:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think my favourite book in that price range is the Victoria and Albert Museum's costume catalogue, "Four Hundred Years of Fashion." The last time I looked it was £15. You get pictures of all the costumes in the Collection, and detailed descriptions of them, with a general overview of the history of costume since 1500 (they have nothing in the Collection before that). Some of the pictures are in glorious colour, others are small black and white ones, but these are real costumes. I've dressed some of my dolls from that book, the descriptions are so good! I even had a go at Dior's New Look suit, but the tailoring on the jacket was a bit of a challenge in 1/12th scale. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1851771166/002-8738749-7264806 Amazon says it's out of print, but I don't think it can be. The V & A web site calls it a reissue with a new cover. If Amazon doesn't have it yet, copies may not yet be available in America yet. (This can often take several months with British publishers.) Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 19:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INDcHP015387 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:13:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INBmUw013116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INBk8g004231; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe47.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INBf8g004153 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:11:36 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe47.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:11:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009501c335b5$491261c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Helpful Information Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:11:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 23:11:36.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7256EE0:01C335EE] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or you can simply write your email in an image, and put the image up on the website :-) Of course, when people click on it, it doesn't pop up a message composition box, but in my case, since I receive maybe 2 comments a year, the major advantage of having no robot crawl away with my address easily outweighs the disadvantage of people having to type in my address themselves... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: Helpful Information > I ran across some information last week on a tech list. I wanted to pass it > along to you all because so many h-costumer have websites . It is a study > on how spammers get your email address, > http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml > > After reading the study, you can easily use keystrokes to encode your email > address by going to this website, http://www.wbwip.com/wbw/emailencoder.html > . All you need to do is write your email address and click on encode. > Since spammers heavily harvest from messageboards, I suggest you keystroke > encode your email address there too. > > Now, I have been encoding our email addresses for a week on our new > webpages. Instead of writing mailto: youremail@address.com , write mailto: > the numbers from the encoding website. When you write the tag do like this: > > Questions??? email: HREF="mailto:fashions19� > 48;1@costumegal& > #108;ery.com"> COLOR="#800000">HERE

> > Make sure to put the visual like as something besides your address or the > spammers will get it. In the example, I used the word *HERE*. When people > click on the word *HERE* their email software will pop up but in the > sender's name is your regular email address. I tested and proved this one, > they don't see all the numbers. > > Please feel free to pass this message along to friends. The more people who > can stop these people from spamming us the better. > > Penny Ladnier (who is sick of getting 300 spams a day) > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 19:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INe7HP015443 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INcLUw015440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INcJ8g019635; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5INcH8g019555 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1d6.c01d174 (4340) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:38:07 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.c01d174.2c2251de@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:38:06 EDT Subject: Re: Dawn's velvet, RE: [h-cost] FW:Is your silk velvet 100% velvet oris the ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/03 6:34:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes: > > > Only four? You just aren't trying hard enough. > *grin* > Claire > Well, I posted my "list" somewhere. But the four are just the costumes. I have drapery! Dresses! I HAVE TO HEM MY FATHER'S PANTS! I'm okay. Really. Thing is, I'm going to college in August. And my parents are demanding that I leave the sewing machine at home. Yeah, right. As if I could last an entire first semester without it. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 20:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0qhHP015595 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:52:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0oxUw021321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0or2l026615; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0oo2l026552 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jessica.webwarren.com (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by webwarren.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5J0ofX3001284 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:50:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618204908.0811cd18@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: arachne@pop.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:50:20 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am I Period or Not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail Finke wrote: >I had to laugh about the site address, after it was kindly posted for me. I >saw that it was evident all the time -- but I had looked at it as some sort >of foreign word (amiperiodornot), maybe the name of a gemstone or something, >during my hasty scan. Yup! For some reason, I keep seeing the "period-or-not" as something related to "peridot"... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 20:57:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0vGHP015606 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0tXUw021659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0tWab028838; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0tTab028806 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-068.jps.net ([216.119.3.68] helo=pavilion) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Sni4-0001tS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c335ff$96320920$440377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:10:32 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you very much Rachel. One can always hope! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" To: "H-costume list" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details > Sorry for the late response, I didn't have the details of my source at home. The company is > called Humphries Weaving Company. They display the following contact information: > > The Humphries Weaving Company Ltd., DeVere Mill, Queen Street, Castle Hedingham, Halstead, Essex, > CO9 3HA, UK > Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/humphries.weaving/ > > Tel +44 (0) 1787 461193 > Fax +44 (0) 1787 462701 > E-mail sales@humphriesweaving.co.uk > > London Showroom - Alton Brooke Ltd., Chelsea Harbour > Tel +44 (0) 20 7376 7008 > Fax +44 (0) 20 7376 7009 > email abrooke@compuserve.com > USA Showroom - Classic Revivals Inc., Boston > Tel +1 (617) 574 9030 > Fax +1 (617) 574 9027 > www.classicrevivals.com > > So if you are feeling flushed with cash then these are the people to contact. > > Rachel > > ===== > Threads of History > www.threadsofhistory.co.uk > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 21:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1BfHP015664 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J19sUw022786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J19rab006143; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J19pab006132 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-068.jps.net ([216.119.3.68] helo=pavilion) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Snvy-00000J-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: <005e01c33601$98618160$440377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance periodsilk shi... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:24:55 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I third that and add this book is also published under the title "A History of Costume in the West" - "20,000 Years of Fashion" is the USA title. Nearly bought it twice! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance periodsilk shi... > In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:54:55 PM Central Standard Time, > drea@nospam writes: > > > Boucher's "20,000 Years of Fashion" would be my favorite pic for a new > > costumer. (The expanded 1987 edition, not the original 1966 edition.) It > > covers a broad range, has over a thousand excellent and inspirational > > pictures (several hundred in color), and presents a good, accurate > > picture of costume in general. ISBN: 0810916932 > > > > New, it's $50; bookfinder.com has some copies for around $30. > > > > > > I second 20,000 Years of Fashion..and it seems to be really easy to find in a > lot of used book stores. I got mine for $19 at Half-Price books, and I've > seen it at two other Half-Price bookstores. Half.com often has it for dirt cheap, > too. > > > -Sarra Wryght > Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html > Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 21:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1UXHP015694 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:30:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1SoUw024025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1Smab014747; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1Sjab014726 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0663.gti.net [208.216.122.63]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 48F3C358F2 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF111D1.F8AF7545@gti.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:28:49 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details References: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <002401c335ff$96320920$440377d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On the topic of silk velvet, there is some "100% silk velvet" on eBay right now, 6 yds. Since "silk velvet" can also be the silk/rayon blend it's possibly the blend. Deb R. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539313840&category=2222 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 21:58:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1wPHP015766 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:58:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0IaUw018644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0IZ2l010825; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J0IP2m010761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5J0IfHe023923 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:18:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5J0IdWa023921 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:18:39 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am I Period or Not? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:18:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306182018.39336.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5J0IP2m010761 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 18 June 2003 04:56 pm, Jennifer Sena wrote: > I must have missed this post originally. I've been wondering what the > to-do was about. Could someone send it privately so I can see the > stunning-ness? www.amiperiodornot.com -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 21:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1xtHP015770 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1w7Uw026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1w4QI027854; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J1w2QI027788 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.9/8.11.4) with SMTP id h5J1vn2f013721 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <028a01c33606$3d5fd460$5ea810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com><002401c335ff$96320920$440377d8@pavilion> <3EF111D1.F8AF7545@gti.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:58:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Ebay lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Speaking of Ebay -- What period would these laces be useful for? Victorian would be one; any other? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2329593067&category=31729&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2329592985&category=31729&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2329593152&category=31729&rd=1 Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details > On the topic of silk velvet, there is some "100% silk velvet" on eBay right > now, > 6 yds. Since "silk velvet" can also be the silk/rayon blend it's possibly > the blend. > Deb R. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539313840&category=2222 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 22:24:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2OfHP015813 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2MvUw028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2MtQI010819; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5J2MrQI010796 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32291 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:00:53 -0000 Received: from 66-44-102-64.s64.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.102.64) by shada.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:00:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF11E3B.9090700@oldwaylane.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:21:47 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Guns, books, and fabric References: <007001c335e5$5a212390$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <3EF0E9CA.4DA5B5BE@costumepress.com> In-Reply-To: <3EF0E9CA.4DA5B5BE@costumepress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mary Denise Smith wrote: > Funny how that works . . . > > MD/Marged > whose gunsmith/knifemaker husband often benefits from her book and > fabric buying impulses > > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >> My husband also buys lots of guns! He is also lately been buying heavy duty metal working machines....I see lots of books and fabric in my future....:) I did a bad thing and introduced my husband to ebay! He's been having fun buying computer bits and old motherboards. He's just bought 2 - when I asked him what he was going to do with them, he admitted he wasn't sure, but they might be useful. I laughed and explained that the correct answer was "it's for my fabric stash!" So he has no complaints about the shopping *I've* been doing on ebay! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 22:31:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2VBHP015836 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:31:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2TQUw028547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2TPQI013603; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe28.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2TMQI013551 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:29:16 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe28.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:29:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005e01c33601$98618160$440377d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissanceperiodsilk shi... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:29:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 02:29:16.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[94BDDEB0:01C3360A] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's the French title: Histoire du Costume en Occident. (probably the original title, too, since François Boucher is a French name) They might have translated the title differently depending on the country? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissanceperiodsilk shi... > I third that and add this book is also published under the title "A History > of Costume in the West" - "20,000 Years of Fashion" is the USA title. > Nearly bought it twice! > > Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 22:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2gLHP015856 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:42:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2eUUw029441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2eTQI019613; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J2eRQI019593 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGP008SYJFD0S@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:29:08 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Velvet source - details In-reply-to: <3EF111D1.F8AF7545@gti.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618192630.02e5d600@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20030618141134.79509.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <002401c335ff$96320920$440377d8@pavilion> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:28 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On the topic of silk velvet, there is some "100% silk velvet" on eBay right >now, >6 yds. Since "silk velvet" can also be the silk/rayon blend it's possibly >the blend. >Deb R. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539313840&category=2222 At the starting price they are asking for ($120 for 6 yards), on what may be a blend and undyed to boot... I can find that at Dharma trading for around $17-19 depending on how many yards I want. And I know of at least one retail store in the LA Garment district that has it available for $19 a yard, dyed. Now if it really was 100% silk, both backing and pile, then that would be worth it. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 23:11:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3BkHP015918 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J39rUw001468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J39pu6002672; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J39mu7002637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty3039.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.39]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5J3APR3020124 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3EF12903.9080702@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:07:47 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener References: <129.2c60ee7c.2c1fff2e@aol.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030617135457.028471d0@127.0.0.1><01ca01c3351a$06abcc90$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP><200306180024.23325.cathy@thyrsus.com> <025101c3359c$ec0840c0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <009f01c3359c$38aae500$0764a8c0@algx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Those are indeed faceted glass beads and have been found on many archaelogical sites in both Europe and the New World. The style (in varying forms) lasted until at least the 1st Qtr. of the 17th Cent. They are commonly considered to be the product of the Murano glassworks in Venice. I think there may have been examples taken from the Gnalic wreck circa 1583. This wreck also included 8 wool berets, three linen shirts and the only known existing full bolt of silk damask from the 16th Cent., probably from Lucca. I'll try and find thr URL for the museum in Yugoslavia that has the artifacts, and report back. Cheers, Mike T. Cyn Bucheger wrote: >>However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to >>recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: >>http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html >>She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they >> >> >look > > >>like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures >>where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone >>seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be >>able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as >>possible. >> >> >> > >I've made this necklace, and in every copy of it (I have several since Durer >is one of my favorite artists) that I have seen the cone shape beads appear >to be black glass, which is what I used. It looks "right", if that helps >any > >Cyn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 18 23:28:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3S1HP015944 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:28:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3QIUw002698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3QGu6009783; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5J3QEu6009766 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-68-56.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@67.122.68.56 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:26:13 -0000 Message-ID: <007801c33612$d1294580$38447a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:28:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers please respond X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The following is a survey for an article in Stage Directions Magazine. Any of you who have the time to respond to Christine, please do so, she's hoping for 100 responses. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare > Hi Angela, > > It was great to speak with you this week. It's been a bit challenging to get > some survey/statistical information so I've come up with a questionnaire based > on the interviews I've done with people so far. Could you please take a > moment to fill it out and please pass it along to your costumer friends. I'm hoping > to get a decent response, maybe 100 replies. I'm setting June 27 as my > deadline for this. The survey was done in the spirit of fun as well so hopefully > you'll get a laugh or two from reading this. > > Many thanks, > > Christine > > > > 1) What % of the time are you stressed about your job as a costumer? > > a) less than 10%--My job is a breeze most of the time. > > b) 30-40%--Yes, work gets stressful but it's nothing I can't handle. > > c) 50%-75%--Can I have a cup of coffee with a side order of stress? > > d) 90% -100%--Yikes, stress really consumes me. > > > 2) My biggest stressors are: > (You can indicate more than one) > > a) Diva behavior from actors, directors and others > b) Too many projects at once--I can't say no. > c) Unrealistic expectations from directors/other theater staff > d) Not enough staff to support the project > e) Other > > 3) I release stress by: > > a) sewing or other handicraft > b) exercise > c) taking a trip > d) yelling at everyone around me > e) other > > 4) I find (fill in the blank with an activity) helpful to relax because: > > a) it takes my mind off my work > b) it gives me a feeling of artistic accomplishment without the stress of > working with others > c) it's just a fun diversion > d) it beats throwing darts at someone's picture > e) other > > 5) If I could choose my profession again, I'd still be a costumer: > > a) yes > b) no > c) unsure--Could I outfit Brad Pitt? > > 6) The most rewarding thing about my work is: > > a) knowing I did a great job > b) hearing the audience applause and knowing I contributed to that > c) the acknowledgement of my crew > d) it makes my mother happy > e) other > > 7) If I knew then what I know know I'd... > > Please fill in the blank > > 8) Preventing costumer burnout is: > > a) a matter of pacing yourself, like you're doing a dance > b) easy if you just choosing projects you're passionate about and devoting > yourself to them > c) possible if you have some artistic projects outside of your work that help > you grow as a professional > d) impossible in this fast-paced unpredictable business > e) other > > 9) Generally, what time of the year is most stressful for you? > > > a) winter > b) summer > c)spring > d) fall > e) other > > 10) Anything you would like to add that has helped you deal with stress as a > costumer. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 00:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J41HHP016001 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3xJUw004798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3xGfl024765; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J3xBfm024737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5J3xVHe024517 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:59:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5J3xVdq024515 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:59:31 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:59:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030618173533.88649.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030618173533.88649.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306182359.30911.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5J3xBfm024737 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 18 June 2003 01:35 pm, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > OK, here's a question for everybody--if you're giving > a book to a new costumer as a gift, what title (under > $15 or so) would you give? The tough part is the "under $15 or so". There are a number of books I'd be willing to give a beginner, but they mostly start in the $20-$25 range. The only under $15's I know of are Dover books. The Dover books tend to be older works, most of which are based on dubious scholarship in my opinion. The answer also depends on whether you want the gift to be: 1) a good general history of costume; 2) a good reference "how-to" for historical costuming, or; 3) a good survey that focuses on a particular period/s. I assumed from the phrasing of your request that you were thinking of something in category 1), but I'll try to give examples of all three anyway. Category 1): Ironically, the book I'd pick in this category (of the ones no one has recommended yet) is one I've read but don't own: Milla Davenport's The Book of Costume (Crown Publishers Inc. New York 1976) ISBN 0517037165. Abebooks currently has a one-volume edition for about $80. (I read the older 2-vol edition). However, it may be possible to find a cheaper copy by shopping around. I like Davenport for this purpose because her illustrations are all from period art, so any biases reflected in the artwork are at least period biases. Sadly, they are all black and white photos of varying (often mediocre) qualities, but there is a sufficient variety of them (including some of works that are not commonly reproduced elsewhere) to whet the appetite. Category 2): Frances Grimble, After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles. (Lavolta Press, 1998) ISBN 0-9636517-3-0. Fran's book has a little of everything, from practical advice about sewing, cutting, and fabric selection to a mini-history of costume from the Middle Ages to the early 20th century--and her line drawings of period styles are clear and accurate. I got my copy as a present, but I believe it runs about $35.00 new for the current edition. Category 3): There's more options here--including options in the price range you mention. However, all of these books cover only a limited historical range. I'll list some of my favorites, sticking to the ones that cover fairly broad periods. Francis M. Kelly and Randolph Schwabe, A Short History of Costume and Armour. (Dover, 2002). Reprint of an early 1930's 2-volume work that covers from 1066 to 1800. Its strengths include: 1) in many cases the authors have the sense to tell you when they're speculating; 2) at least half the illustrations are of period art (and the rest are rather good line drawings based on period art, including sculpture). Dover prices this at $14.95. Of all the Dover costume books I've bought over the years, I think this one is probably the most useful and the least victimized by limited information and inadequate scholarship. Mary G. Houston. She did at least three books covering different periods. * Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian & Persian Costume Dover Publications 1954. ISBN 0-486-42562-2. I don't know if this is in print right now, but Abebooks has at least one copy for $9.00. * Ancient Greek, Roman & Byzantine Costume Dover Publications 2003 ISBN: 0486426106 Powells has this for $13.95, which is in the typical range for new Dover stuff. * Medieval Costume in England and France Dover Publications 1996 ISBN 0-486-29060-3 My copy was $8.95 new. Houston sometimes makes silly conjectures about things, but she usually gives provenances for the art she's talking about, and describes it clearly enough that it's often possible to draw your own conclusions. Her illustrations are clear black and white drawings and B&W photographs, but her line drawings are true to the original. My copies of the first two are hardcover from the original pre-Dover editions; the Medieval one is a Dover paperback. If you go for hardcover used, they are fairly easy to find on line and run about $35-45 depending on condition. C. Willett Cunnington & Phillis Cunnington, Handbook of Medieval Costume (PLAYS, Inc. 1969). Covers from 800 C.E. to 1500 C.E. Illustrations are good B&W redrawings of period art. Provenances for illustrations appear as endnotes. (This is one of the very first costume books I ever read, in case anyone cares.) I got my hardback copy used for something like $25. Nancy Bradfield. (Somebody mentioned her stuff but didn't have the titles handy). There are two of these that I know of: * Historical Costumes of England. (Quite Specific Media/Costume & Fashion Press 1997) ISBN 0-89676-218-1. Some black and white photos of period art, and line drawings. Covers roughly from 1066 to 1970. I got it new in paperback at $29.95; I don't know if it's still in print. * Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 (Quite Specific Media/Costume & Fashion Press 1997). The magic of this book is that the author's line drawings are done from actual, surviving costumes, whose owners are identified; many are too fragile for public display. Again all black and white illustrations, but detailed descriptions of colors and fabrics are given, along with multiple views of the garments both inside and out. In a number of cases, accessories are also included. I got it new in paperback at $35.00; I don't know if it's still in print either. I just looked again at your question and realized that you may not want the book to focus on historical costuming at all, but on techniques for theatrical costume or the like. If that's the case, I can't help you since I don't really know how to judge such books, but I'm sure others will have recommendations. :-) Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 00:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J49AHP016014 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J47FUw005398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J47Dfl028623; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J479fm028586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-160-176-162.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.160.176.162])h5J48CAe040527 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice@wonderland.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:06:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200306182359.30911.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: <78519F6E-A20B-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5J479fm028586 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO for $15 (sorry I didn't see the price restriction earlier) I would be hunting for used books. I've seen several copies of the Costume Technician's Handbook used that were in that price range, and it's a fantastic technical book for beginners. Heather On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Wednesday 18 June 2003 01:35 pm, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > >> OK, here's a question for everybody--if you're giving >> a book to a new costumer as a gift, what title (under >> $15 or so) would you give? > > The tough part is the "under $15 or so". There are a number of books > I'd be > willing to give a beginner, but they mostly start in the $20-$25 > range. The > only under $15's I know of are Dover books. The Dover books tend to > be older > works, most of which are based on dubious scholarship in my opinion. > > The answer also depends on whether you want the gift to be: > > 1) a good general history of costume; > 2) a good reference "how-to" for historical costuming, or; > 3) a good survey that focuses on a particular period/s. > > I assumed from the phrasing of your request that you were thinking of > something in category 1), but I'll try to give examples of all three > anyway. > > Category 1): Ironically, the book I'd pick in this category (of the > ones no > one has recommended yet) is one I've read but don't own: Milla > Davenport's > The Book of Costume (Crown Publishers Inc. New York 1976) ISBN > 0517037165. > Abebooks currently has a one-volume edition for about $80. (I read > the older > 2-vol edition). However, it may be possible to find a cheaper copy by > shopping around. > > I like Davenport for this purpose because her illustrations are all > from > period art, so any biases reflected in the artwork are at least period > biases. Sadly, they are all black and white photos of varying (often > mediocre) qualities, but there is a sufficient variety of them > (including > some of works that are not commonly reproduced elsewhere) to whet the > appetite. > > Category 2): Frances Grimble, After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, > Restore, > and Wear Vintage Styles. (Lavolta Press, 1998) ISBN 0-9636517-3-0. > Fran's > book has a little of everything, from practical advice about sewing, > cutting, > and fabric selection to a mini-history of costume from the Middle Ages > to the > early 20th century--and her line drawings of period styles are clear > and > accurate. > > I got my copy as a present, but I believe it runs about $35.00 new for > the > current edition. > > Category 3): There's more options here--including options in the > price range > you mention. However, all of these books cover only a limited > historical > range. I'll list some of my favorites, sticking to the ones that cover > fairly broad periods. > > Francis M. Kelly and Randolph Schwabe, A Short History of Costume and > Armour. > (Dover, 2002). > > Reprint of an early 1930's 2-volume work that covers from 1066 to > 1800. Its > strengths include: 1) in many cases the authors have the sense to > tell you > when they're speculating; 2) at least half the illustrations are of > period > art (and the rest are rather good line drawings based on period art, > including sculpture). Dover prices this at $14.95. Of all the Dover > costume > books I've bought over the years, I think this one is probably the most > useful and the least victimized by limited information and inadequate > scholarship. > > Mary G. Houston. She did at least three books covering different > periods. > > * Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian & Persian Costume > Dover Publications 1954. ISBN 0-486-42562-2. I don't know if this is > in > print right now, but Abebooks has at least one copy for $9.00. > > * Ancient Greek, Roman & Byzantine Costume > Dover Publications 2003 ISBN: 0486426106 Powells has this for > $13.95, which > is in the typical range for new Dover stuff. > > * Medieval Costume in England and France > Dover Publications 1996 ISBN 0-486-29060-3 My copy was $8.95 new. > > Houston sometimes makes silly conjectures about things, but she > usually gives > provenances for the art she's talking about, and describes it clearly > enough > that it's often possible to draw your own conclusions. Her > illustrations are > clear black and white drawings and B&W photographs, but her line > drawings are > true to the original. > > My copies of the first two are hardcover from the original pre-Dover > editions; > the Medieval one is a Dover paperback. If you go for hardcover used, > they > are fairly easy to find on line and run about $35-45 depending on > condition. > > C. Willett Cunnington & Phillis Cunnington, Handbook of Medieval > Costume > (PLAYS, Inc. 1969). > > Covers from 800 C.E. to 1500 C.E. Illustrations are good B&W > redrawings of > period art. Provenances for illustrations appear as endnotes. (This > is one > of the very first costume books I ever read, in case anyone cares.) I > got my > hardback copy used for something like $25. > > Nancy Bradfield. (Somebody mentioned her stuff but didn't have the > titles > handy). There are two of these that I know of: > > * Historical Costumes of England. (Quite Specific Media/Costume & > Fashion > Press 1997) ISBN 0-89676-218-1. Some black and white photos of > period art, > and line drawings. Covers roughly from 1066 to 1970. I got it new in > paperback at $29.95; I don't know if it's still in print. > > * Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 (Quite Specific Media/Costume & > Fashion Press > 1997). The magic of this book is that the author's line drawings are > done > from actual, surviving costumes, whose owners are identified; many are > too > fragile for public display. Again all black and white illustrations, > but > detailed descriptions of colors and fabrics are given, along with > multiple > views of the garments both inside and out. In a number of cases, > accessories > are also included. I got it new in paperback at $35.00; I don't know > if it's > still in print either. > > I just looked again at your question and realized that you may not > want the > book to focus on historical costuming at all, but on techniques for > theatrical costume or the like. If that's the case, I can't help you > since I > don't really know how to judge such books, but I'm sure others will > have > recommendations. :-) > > Good luck! > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” > Albert Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 00:43:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J4h3HP016093 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:43:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J4f9Uw007710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J4f7fl013936; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J4f4fl013909 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-000-005.jps.net ([216.119.0.5] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SrEN-0002oI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c3361f$1ad727e0$050077d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:56:09 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Adobe's "Paper Capture" free trial service X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5J4h3HP016093 Status: RO ooohhh, I just came across something. I've finally managed to scan my Furnival edition of Stubbes the Anatomie of Abuses and and getting the scans ready to put online. I wanted to make it searchable, but from the scans, not typed out with modern spelling, no time for that, but hopefully that will come with the help of others and so I started looking at how adobe acrobat does that, creates scannable documents that is. Adobe Acrobat 5 which I have creates 50 pages of searchable pages with their "paper capture" plug in. I need more than that, and the full Paper Capture version is at least $200 plus - educational version, not an option for me. But..... some of you might be interested in this..... the adobe site http://createpdf.adobe.com/index.pl/1234257457.20884?BP=IE offers an online converting service and you get five documents converted for free with their trial offer!!! Has anyone tried this service? As a follow on, one could scan all the photocopied costuming related material they've collected and use this service to make a searchable document of it all. Paper capture OCR's it for you an creates an electronic searchable document. Just thought I'd pass this on. I'm going to give it a try. Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 01:11:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5BwHP016148 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5A0Uw009450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J59xMf026253; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J59vMf026238 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-005-070.jps.net ([216.119.5.70] helo=pavilion) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SrgK-0006dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c33623$23c25740$460577d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c3361f$1ad727e0$050077d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adobe's "Paper Capture" free trial service Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:25:02 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO corrected email - should have been "creates searchable documents" not "creates scannable documents". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Adobe's "Paper Capture" free trial service ooohhh, I just came across something. I've finally managed to scan my Furnival edition of Stubbes the Anatomie of Abuses and and getting the scans ready to put online. I wanted to make it searchable, but from the scans, not typed out with modern spelling, no time for that, but hopefully that will come with the help of others and so I started looking at how adobe acrobat does that, creates searchable documents that is. Adobe Acrobat 5 which I have creates 50 pages of searchable pages with their "paper capture" plug in. I need more than that, and the full Paper Capture version is at least $200 plus - educational version, not an option for me. But..... some of you might be interested in this..... the adobe site http://createpdf.adobe.com/index.pl/1234257457.20884?BP=IE offers an online converting service and you get five documents converted for free with their trial offer!!! Has anyone tried this service? As a follow on, one could scan all the photocopied costuming related material they've collected and use this service to make a searchable document of it all. Paper capture OCR's it for you an creates an electronic searchable document. Just thought I'd pass this on. I'm going to give it a try. Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 01:20:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5KEHP016157 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5IOUw009903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5IMMf029896; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J5IKMf029875 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGP00EDYQQE5B@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:08:59 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] competitive costuming-authenticity nuts In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618220256.02e5d600@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030617094555.00af8520@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:42 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Any time you think you have (or someone else has) "the" answer, give your >critical faculties a swift kick and get them working again. > >Heather Hi Heather, For some reason I almost overlooked this response. I agree with you on what you wrote. I think I might just print this in big words and tape it over my desktop as a nice reminder whenever I read or hear... oh you can't do that, it just isn't period ever! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 03:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J7WgHP018567 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:32:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J7UpUw018242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J7UmCr001185; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5J7UjCr001142 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030619073039.73389.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:30:39 BST Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:30:39 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003301c335d1$53c089f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Any idea's what a male Frank from the 8th century would wear on his > head? This fellow is a duke in the SCA so I guess he needs to be able > to wear it under his coronet.would they do that? No they would NOT. I have not seen a single image that would suggest that. Then again the whole idea of a ducal coronet is 1970s SCA and not 8th c. Frankish, so... He was thinking a > phrygian cap? That's probably quite safe, yes. > Just in case you are wondering, it is NOT a highly accurate garment..I > think cool is a little more important to him than historic accuracy.. Oh good that you said that :-) I was wondering about the pretty shiny trim *G* Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 09:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDmbHP024671 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDkcUw010349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDkMX3000197; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDk9X3029922 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Szjq-0006DI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:46:08 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Adobe's "Paper Capture" free trial service Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c33669$21f3fd10$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <001101c3361f$1ad727e0$050077d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you haven't used Adobe's software, this is a great opportunity. I am sure their online stuff is just as good as their other. FYI Lisa, when you run out of free trial I have the software myself, and would be happy to convert anything you need. It only takes a cyber minute! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 09:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDoEHP024676 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDmSUw010458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDmRX3001415; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDmOX3001383 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Szm1-0001Bl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:48:22 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers please respond Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c33669$72ac3420$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <007801c33612$d1294580$38447a43@angelap3a8d978> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Angela, where are folks to send their responses? "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of Angela F. Lazear ~Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:28 PM ~To: h-costume@indra.com ~Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers please respond ~ ~The following is a survey for an article in Stage Directions Magazine. Any ~of you who have the time to respond to Christine, please do so, she's hoping ~for 100 responses. ~ ~angela ~+++++ ~Angela F. Lazear ~Cabbage Rose Costumes ~http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ~"Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, ~some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust ~upon them." ~Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare ~ ~ ~> Hi Angela, ~> ~> It was great to speak with you this week. It's been a bit challenging to ~get ~> some survey/statistical information so I've come up with a questionnaire ~based ~> on the interviews I've done with people so far. Could you please take a ~> moment to fill it out and please pass it along to your costumer friends. ~I'm hoping ~> to get a decent response, maybe 100 replies. I'm setting June 27 as my ~> deadline for this. The survey was done in the spirit of fun as well so ~hopefully ~> you'll get a laugh or two from reading this. ~> ~> Many thanks, ~> ~> Christine ~> ~> ~> ~> 1) What % of the time are you stressed about your job as a costumer? ~> ~> a) less than 10%--My job is a breeze most of the time. ~> ~> b) 30-40%--Yes, work gets stressful but it's nothing I can't handle. ~> ~> c) 50%-75%--Can I have a cup of coffee with a side order of stress? ~> ~> d) 90% -100%--Yikes, stress really consumes me. ~> ~> ~> 2) My biggest stressors are: ~> (You can indicate more than one) ~> ~> a) Diva behavior from actors, directors and others ~> b) Too many projects at once--I can't say no. ~> c) Unrealistic expectations from directors/other theater staff ~> d) Not enough staff to support the project ~> e) Other ~> ~> 3) I release stress by: ~> ~> a) sewing or other handicraft ~> b) exercise ~> c) taking a trip ~> d) yelling at everyone around me ~> e) other ~> ~> 4) I find (fill in the blank with an activity) helpful to relax because: ~> ~> a) it takes my mind off my work ~> b) it gives me a feeling of artistic accomplishment without the stress of ~> working with others ~> c) it's just a fun diversion ~> d) it beats throwing darts at someone's picture ~> e) other ~> ~> 5) If I could choose my profession again, I'd still be a costumer: ~> ~> a) yes ~> b) no ~> c) unsure--Could I outfit Brad Pitt? ~> ~> 6) The most rewarding thing about my work is: ~> ~> a) knowing I did a great job ~> b) hearing the audience applause and knowing I contributed to that ~> c) the acknowledgement of my crew ~> d) it makes my mother happy ~> e) other ~> ~> 7) If I knew then what I know know I'd... ~> ~> Please fill in the blank ~> ~> 8) Preventing costumer burnout is: ~> ~> a) a matter of pacing yourself, like you're doing a dance ~> b) easy if you just choosing projects you're passionate about and devoting ~> yourself to them ~> c) possible if you have some artistic projects outside of your work that ~help ~> you grow as a professional ~> d) impossible in this fast-paced unpredictable business ~> e) other ~> ~> 9) Generally, what time of the year is most stressful for you? ~> ~> ~> a) winter ~> b) summer ~> c)spring ~> d) fall ~> e) other ~> ~> 10) Anything you would like to add that has helped you deal with stress as ~a ~> costumer. ~> ~> ~> ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 09:59:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDxmHP024686 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDvqUw011282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDvo8X006369; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JDvm8X006348 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SzvA-00059r-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:57:48 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c3366a$c42ca7c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20030619073039.73389.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the information Nicole, you have confirmed my suspicions. You have aroused other questions about textiles in my mind though...I wasn't sure if you were referring to the shiny piping which is 100% silk (we have another thread going on piping itself), or the flat trim which is synthetic-but looks very 'natural'. Would woven silk trim not have had some sheen? I ask because I don't really know much about silk fibers. I have been fiddling with some tablet weaving and needle point and much of the silk thread you see is flat. I remember asking Bjarne if he knew of a source for shiny silk thread and he was able to point me to some, but it just doesn't seem much in use today...but our tastes are different. I know the SCA has all sorts of conventions which aren't historically based, but anyone know what the conventions were about wearing a coronet for someone besides the actual Queen and King? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JE7jHP024703 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:07:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JE5wUw012097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JE5v8X010846; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JE5u8X010829 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25003 invoked by uid 1005); 19 Jun 2003 14:05:47 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067323 secs); 19 Jun 2003 14:05:47 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067323 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 14:05:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. In-Reply-To: <000d01c3366a$c42ca7c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20030619100306.S82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you want some good examples of what period tablet-woven silk trims would have looked like when new, I definitely recommend Nancy Spies's book on Brocaded tablet-woven trim, "Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic Circumstance: a Thousand Years of Brocaded Tablet-woven Bands". Even if you don't plan to take up brocaded tablet weaving, it's an excellent source for examples of the patterns used and what the originals looked like; a great resource to have when trying to find modern trims that look "period". Drea On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Thanks for the information Nicole, you have confirmed my suspicions. > > You have aroused other questions about textiles in my mind though...I > wasn't sure if you were referring to the shiny piping which is 100% silk > (we have another thread going on piping itself), or the flat trim which > is synthetic-but looks very 'natural'. > > Would woven silk trim not have had some sheen? I ask because I don't > really know much about silk fibers. I have been fiddling with some > tablet weaving and needle point and much of the silk thread you see is > flat. I remember asking Bjarne if he knew of a source for shiny silk > thread and he was able to point me to some, but it just doesn't seem > much in use today...but our tastes are different. > > I know the SCA has all sorts of conventions which aren't historically > based, but anyone know what the conventions were about wearing a coronet > for someone besides the actual Queen and King? > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEAhHP024711 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:10:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JE3pUw011825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JE3o8X009616; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80406.mail.yahoo.com (web80406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JE3j8X009535 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030619140340.68057.qmail@web80406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:03:40 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good gift books for beginners (was: Renaissance period silk shiny or not?) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6A98FB5A-A1B4-11D7-9FAC-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > > Janet Arnold's books, Nancy Bradfield's (which I am > forgetting the > title of), > Naorah Waugh Corsets and Crinolines. Nancy Bradfield: Costume in Detail, 1730-1930 Is that the one you're referring to? All are terrific books (I've had them all in my library for years), but not, as I originally specified, under $15. Any others? Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEEEHP024718 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JECSUw012654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JECQ8X014513; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80402.mail.yahoo.com (web80402.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JECP8X014404 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030619141219.5791.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:12:19 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance period silk shiny or not? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618110915.02e55818@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kimiko Small wrote: > > >Until the 16th century, satin weaves were primarily > dull satin. It wasn't > >until the later 16th century that quite shiny satin > pops up in portraits > >and paintings. > > I wonder what changed. The Venetians (and probably other Italians) introduced the use of mangles in the calendering process (calendering is similar to ironing, but imparts a smooth and, if desired, shiny surface to the material being processed). IIRC, I believe the Italians were producing some of the first calendered rag papers in the century prior to patents being issued for calendering fabrics. Now I'm wondering, did some enterprising Italian see a paper calendering mill and think to himself, "If I substitute fabric for the paper..." Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 10:38:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEcwHP024769 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEbAUw015179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEb98X000784; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JEb68X000749 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T0XC-0002bn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:37:06 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c33670$41ea0a40$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20030619100306.S82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My copy (paperback) doesn't have any color photos except on the front cover, but I now see thumbing through it that there is one picture of a king with what looks like a coif under his crown. I have not read the technical section carefully, but it looks like there might be some hints in there.....thanks for reminding me about this text. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 11:09:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JF91HP024835 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JExiUw017289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JExhv6015276; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JExfv6015264 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T0sz-0002sL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:59:37 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:59:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20030619141219.5791.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~The Venetians (and probably other Italians) introduced ~the use of mangles in the calendering process ~(calendering is similar to ironing, but imparts a ~smooth and, if desired, shiny surface to the material ~being processed). Does anyone know if this is required or would increase the shininess of silk? Sg (who is again bemoaning the fact that she chose mechanical over textiles engineering, kick, grumble, spit!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 11:27:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFRUHP024893 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:27:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFPYUw019701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFPUv6002069; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFPRv6002041 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-9-87.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.87] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T1Hy-00002Q-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:25:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny or not? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:40:35 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, callendering is used to produce a sheen. Pressure on the fabric makes the surface more compact & smooth and this changes the way it reflects light, thus producing shininess. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny or not? > ~The Venetians (and probably other Italians) introduced > ~the use of mangles in the calendering process > ~(calendering is similar to ironing, but imparts a > ~smooth and, if desired, shiny surface to the material > ~being processed). > > Does anyone know if this is required or would increase the shininess of > silk? > > Sg > (who is again bemoaning the fact that she chose mechanical over textiles > engineering, kick, grumble, spit!) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 11:28:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFSEHP024898 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFQFUw019815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JFQEv6002585; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JFQBv6002536 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 54892 invoked by uid 1005); 19 Jun 2003 15:26:05 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.544496 secs); 19 Jun 2003 15:26:05 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.544496 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 15:26:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20030619112505.Y82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] How to easily distinguish linen from cotton X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I came across the following article on how to reliably tell linen from cotton fabric by a variety of methods--I figured the list would be interested. I know I sure was! :) http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/hr1_fibr.pdf Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 12:05:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JG5EHP024999 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:05:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JG2xUw024140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JG2vwn028872; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JG2pwn028775 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24298 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:02:50 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24294 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <042801c3367b$c5f39c60$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030619100306.S82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is an awesome book! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. > If you want some good examples of what period tablet-woven silk trims > would have looked like when new, I definitely recommend Nancy Spies's book > on Brocaded tablet-woven trim, "Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic > Circumstance: a Thousand Years of Brocaded Tablet-woven Bands". > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 13:15:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JHFpHP025129 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JH8lUw003213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JH8fAs020495; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JH8cAs020456 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-018.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.18] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T2to-0002ua-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c33687$8a595120$7b0877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030619141219.5791.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:23:44 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] what makes a fabric shiny - was - Renaissance period silk shiny or not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > --- Kimiko Small wrote: > > > > >Until the 16th century, satin weaves were primarily > > dull satin. It wasn't > > >until the later 16th century that quite shiny satin > > pops up in portraits > > >and paintings. > > > > I wonder what changed. I've posted a couple of illustrations for the following on www.threadneedlest.com/fabricsheen.htm > In general these are a few of the factors influencing the shine of a silk fabric. Remember the sheen of a fabric is determined by how light reflects off of it. A smooth surface creates sheen. The fibre itself - a smooth yarn reflects light more than a rough one. Silk from the cocoon has a smooth filament. Twisting several filaments to create a yarn introduces indentations in the surface of the yarn. Less twist = a smoother and shinier yarn. The Weave - with a satin weave, long "floats" in the weave make for a smooth surface. The greater number of "floats" and the longer the distance they float over the smoother the surface and the shinier the fabric. More floats also make the fabric easier to snag. Degumming - silk filaments from the cocoon contain about 20% sericin which is removed in a process called degumming. This makes for a lighter and more lustrous and softer fabric. A heavier silk fabric probably contains more sericin and has not been processed as much, also less shiny. Callendering - Ironing a fabric squishes the fibres smooth and heat sets them in place. Which is why you should not iron your clothes just before wearing them, but allow for enough time for them to cool, otherwise when you wear a still warm garment you again rearrange the fibres into your body creases and where they get set and stay all day. This advice is an example of do as I say, not as I do. Finishing - The application of waxes or starch or resins also create a smooth surface. They "glue" down the microscopic irregularities in a fibre's surface and this makes the fabric shiny. Starch was used in England much earlier then Stowe indicated but perhaps not commercial production. There is a proclamation under Edward, I believe, that prohibits wool from being finished with starch. So here are a few factors to consider when trying to determine the change in luster of silk through time. Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 13:18:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JHISHP025139 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JHG6Uw004253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JHG5As026439; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JHFxAs026378 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.94] (pm4-094.eos.net [205.133.149.94]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11822 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:15:57 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:09:46 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306190019.h5J0J32m011035@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] cap and gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My brother got his PhD two years ago and the rented gown was gorgeous -- no shabby polyester! It looked like real medieval clothing, except for the ridiculous hood -- but I made my brother put it on as a HOOD, rather than a neck ornament, and you could still see that it was a hood. I haven't checked any of the web sites cited, but my immediate reaction to any claim that something had masonic or other secret origins is extreme skepticism. Like tarot cards and their supposedly ancient Egyptian origin, etc. etc. Most secret origins are made up -- it's just that enough are real to make it always a tantalizing possibility! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 14:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIKlHP025330 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIIkUw011689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIIiOk014708; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIIgOk014687 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T3zd-0007O2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:18:42 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what makes a fabric shiny - was - Renaissance period silk shiny ornot? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c3368f$36b3c480$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <004f01c33687$8a595120$7b0877d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great explanation and pictures-thanks Lisa! "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" Isocrates _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 14:58:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIwRHP025432 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIt1VA015902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIhpOk003296; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JIhbOk003116 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-4.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.4] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T4Nj-0005lS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01c33694$ceab5320$7b0877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c3368f$36b3c480$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what makes a fabric shiny - was - Renaissance periodsilk shiny ornot? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:58:43 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks, I forgot to add that waxes, starches, resins also often have reflective surfaces in and of themselves. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] what makes a fabric shiny - was - Renaissance periodsilk shiny ornot? > Great explanation and pictures-thanks Lisa! > > "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > Isocrates > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 15:03:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJ3IHP025456 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:03:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJ1LUw016516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJ1Kqo015166; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lycos.com (www1.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JJ1Hqo015085 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:00:50 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:00:50 -0400 From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and StatutesofApparel X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.101.100 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is basically the story that I heard, except that the yellow boundry rope was called "The Yellow Peril", and there was a white one called "The White Russian" in additon to "Eric the Red". The first two didn't last long, but "Eric" was around for years. /obligatory costume content/ The flags were made of fabric. -Katie --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:03:00 From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: >It had something to do with the little flags that hung from the rope >surrounding the list area. Originally they were red and another color >(yellow?). The other color was not as durable and so soon it was just red >flags. They jokingly referred to it as Eric the Red. Soon it was perceived >as being period to call it an erik. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 16:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JK0sHP025619 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJx0Uw023461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJwuqv026775; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4.mebtel.net [64.40.67.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JJwrqv026744 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2107527A06 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF222A5.4000000@grics.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:52:54 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh!... Not Secret origins in this case. I had heard somewhere that the *mortarboard* (like i graduated from HS in) was intended to look like a literal mortafboard - as in bricklayers. It sounded pretty bizarre to me - if it *isn't* true, it'll be nice to hear that i didn't get my b.a. with a polyester imitation of a tray of concrete on my head... Heather L getting up *now* for more coffee Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >My brother got his PhD two years ago and the rented gown was gorgeous -- no >shabby polyester! It looked like real medieval clothing, except for the >ridiculous hood -- but I made my brother put it on as a HOOD, rather than a >neck ornament, and you could still see that it was a hood. > >I haven't checked any of the web sites cited, but my immediate reaction to >any claim that something had masonic or other secret origins is extreme >skepticism. Like tarot cards and their supposedly ancient Egyptian origin, >etc. etc. Most secret origins are made up -- it's just that enough are real >to make it always a tantalizing possibility! > >Gail Finke > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 17:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JLT0HP026186 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JLR7Uw004239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JLR4Dn005319; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JLQvDn005153 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030619212651.4077.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:26:51 BST Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:26:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish' headdress 8th century question. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000d01c3366a$c42ca7c0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Thanks for the information Nicole, you have confirmed my suspicions. > > You have aroused other questions about textiles in my mind though...I > wasn't sure if you were referring to the shiny piping which is 100% silk > (we have another thread going on piping itself), or the flat trim which > is synthetic-but looks very 'natural'. Ah, sorry, I didn't even see the piping. I meant the braid, which is fine, but just not what would have existed. The braid is a modern way of brocading (or whatever technical term is appropriate) and not how a brocaded tablet weave would look like. Drea's book suggestion is excellent. > I know the SCA has all sorts of conventions which aren't historically > based, but anyone know what the conventions were about wearing a coronet > for someone besides the actual Queen and King? In 8th c. Franken? I really don't know, I haven't come across any. Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 18:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMCZHP026277 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:12:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMAlUw009918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMAjvl007812; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5JMAgvl007780 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 22:10:42 -0000 Message-ID: <00d501c336af$9c321350$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c33669$72ac3420$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers pleaserespond Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:10:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll get her email. I swear it was in the body of the text when I cut, but apparently not so much!! sheesh a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:48 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers pleaserespond > Angela, where are folks to send their responses? > > "The root of education is bitter, the fruit sweet" > Isocrates > > > ~-----Original Message----- > ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > ~Behalf Of Angela F. Lazear > ~Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:28 PM > ~To: h-costume@indra.com > ~Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Costumer Burnout survey-Theater Costumers please > respond > ~ > ~The following is a survey for an article in Stage Directions Magazine. > Any > ~of you who have the time to respond to Christine, please do so, she's > hoping > ~for 100 responses. > ~ > ~angela > ~+++++ > ~Angela F. Lazear > ~Cabbage Rose Costumes > ~http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > ~"Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, > ~some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust > ~upon them." > ~Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare > ~ > ~ > ~> Hi Angela, > ~> > ~> It was great to speak with you this week. It's been a bit challenging > to > ~get > ~> some survey/statistical information so I've come up with a > questionnaire > ~based > ~> on the interviews I've done with people so far. Could you please take > a > ~> moment to fill it out and please pass it along to your costumer > friends. > ~I'm hoping > ~> to get a decent response, maybe 100 replies. I'm setting June 27 as > my > ~> deadline for this. The survey was done in the spirit of fun as well > so > ~hopefully > ~> you'll get a laugh or two from reading this. > ~> > ~> Many thanks, > ~> > ~> Christine > ~> > ~> > ~> > ~> 1) What % of the time are you stressed about your job as a costumer? > ~> > ~> a) less than 10%--My job is a breeze most of the time. > ~> > ~> b) 30-40%--Yes, work gets stressful but it's nothing I can't handle. > ~> > ~> c) 50%-75%--Can I have a cup of coffee with a side order of stress? > ~> > ~> d) 90% -100%--Yikes, stress really consumes me. > ~> > ~> > ~> 2) My biggest stressors are: > ~> (You can indicate more than one) > ~> > ~> a) Diva behavior from actors, directors and others > ~> b) Too many projects at once--I can't say no. > ~> c) Unrealistic expectations from directors/other theater staff > ~> d) Not enough staff to support the project > ~> e) Other > ~> > ~> 3) I release stress by: > ~> > ~> a) sewing or other handicraft > ~> b) exercise > ~> c) taking a trip > ~> d) yelling at everyone around me > ~> e) other > ~> > ~> 4) I find (fill in the blank with an activity) helpful to relax > because: > ~> > ~> a) it takes my mind off my work > ~> b) it gives me a feeling of artistic accomplishment without the > stress of > ~> working with others > ~> c) it's just a fun diversion > ~> d) it beats throwing darts at someone's picture > ~> e) other > ~> > ~> 5) If I could choose my profession again, I'd still be a costumer: > ~> > ~> a) yes > ~> b) no > ~> c) unsure--Could I outfit Brad Pitt? > ~> > ~> 6) The most rewarding thing about my work is: > ~> > ~> a) knowing I did a great job > ~> b) hearing the audience applause and knowing I contributed to that > ~> c) the acknowledgement of my crew > ~> d) it makes my mother happy > ~> e) other > ~> > ~> 7) If I knew then what I know know I'd... > ~> > ~> Please fill in the blank > ~> > ~> 8) Preventing costumer burnout is: > ~> > ~> a) a matter of pacing yourself, like you're doing a dance > ~> b) easy if you just choosing projects you're passionate about and > devoting > ~> yourself to them > ~> c) possible if you have some artistic projects outside of your work > that > ~help > ~> you grow as a professional > ~> d) impossible in this fast-paced unpredictable business > ~> e) other > ~> > ~> 9) Generally, what time of the year is most stressful for you? > ~> > ~> > ~> a) winter > ~> b) summer > ~> c)spring > ~> d) fall > ~> e) other > ~> > ~> 10) Anything you would like to add that has helped you deal with > stress as > ~a > ~> costumer. > ~> > ~> > ~> > ~ > ~_______________________________________________ > ~h-costume mailing list > ~h-costume@mail.indra.com > ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 18:33:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMXUHP026308 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:33:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMVfUw012596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMVdvl023141; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMVZvl023098 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5JMVYPn011692 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.245] (tnt-1-53.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.245]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JMVSdl011610 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EF222A5.4000000@grics.net> References: <3EF222A5.4000000@grics.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:28:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 3:52 PM -0500 6/19/03, H. Law wrote: >Oh!... Not Secret origins in this case. I had heard somewhere that >the *mortarboard* (like i graduated from HS in) was intended to look >like a literal mortafboard - as in bricklayers. It sounded pretty >bizarre to me - if it *isn't* true, it'll be nice to hear that i >didn't get my b.a. with a polyester imitation of a tray of concrete >on my head... I believe it acquired the nickname "mortarboard" retroactively. The hat itself is a somewhat peculiar descendent of the biretta, a sort of squared-off beret. My institution (U.C. Berkeley) has a PhD "cap" that's an octagonal biretta (dark blue velvet w/real metallic tassel). It's definitely high up on the list of reasons to get a PhD at Berkeley. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 19:42:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JNg5HP026533 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:42:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JNeBUw019133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JNe9Zl007047; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JNe5Zl006976 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19T90Z-0006wO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:40:00 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male 'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:44 -0700 Message-ID: <004401c336bc$190c1680$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20030619212651.4077.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~would look like. Drea's book suggestion is excellent. [Sg:] If you like Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic Circumstance, you will probably llike Peter Collingwood's and Candace Crockett's books even better. Crockett's book has better pictures of stuff and Collingwood discusses each weave in lots of detail. On page 17 of Crockett's book there is a French ecclesiastical card weaving from the twelfth century. It is very finely woven and has intricate patterns of fleur de lis , vines and diamonds. Does anyone know of anyone 'out there' reproducing detailed narrow wares like this for use on their historic re-creations of the same detail? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 20:34:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0YWHP026719 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0WmUw024011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0WhRl006394; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0WeRl006320 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a214.in-tch.com [66.62.107.14]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5K0DnL18028 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EF2568A.7257AD7B@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:34:18 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. References: <004401c336bc$190c1680$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm familiar with Collingwood (have a borrowed copy in the living room ), but not Crockett. What's the title of her book(s)? --sue, working on learning to make narrow wares Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > ~would look like. Drea's book suggestion is excellent. > > [Sg:] If you like Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic Circumstance, you > will probably llike Peter Collingwood's and Candace Crockett's books > even better. Crockett's book has better pictures of stuff and > Collingwood discusses each weave in lots of detail. > > On page 17 of Crockett's book there is a French ecclesiastical card > weaving from the twelfth century. It is very finely woven and has > intricate patterns of fleur de lis , vines and diamonds. Does anyone > know of anyone 'out there' reproducing detailed narrow wares like this > for use on their historic re-creations of the same detail? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 20:46:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0kbHP026763 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0imUw024829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0ijRl011939; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0ifRm011902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5K0iuHe026538 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:45:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5K0ioUS026529 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:44:50 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:44:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <004401c336bc$190c1680$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <3EF2568A.7257AD7B@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3EF2568A.7257AD7B@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306192044.50222.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5K0ifRm011902 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 19 June 2003 08:34 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I'm familiar with Collingwood (have a borrowed copy in the living room > ), but not Crockett. What's the title of her book(s)? > --sue, working on learning to make narrow wares Crockett's book is called "Card Weaving" and is a basic how-to on card weaving techniques. -- Cathy Raymond “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 20:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0xCHP026787 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0vLUw025719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0vJw2017531; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K0vHw2017503 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail22.ureach.com (mail22.ureach.com [172.16.2.82]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12749 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:57:16 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-182.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.182]) by mail22.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA20768 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: <04f801c336c6$6d2d3690$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c336bc$190c1680$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:53:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, though I don't know her name. She was teaching the class where I learned how to tablet weave at an event in Tennessee. I don't know if she was from the local group or not. All I really know about her is that she is a Laurel in the SCA. She was talking with another woman about a mutual friend who apparently also does tablet weaving of that caliber. Also, at the recent Heraldic Symposium in St. Louis, there was a merchant selling her tablet woven and inkle woven trims and some of them were unbelievably intricate. I, unfortunately, did not get her name. I wish I had for I would love to order some stuff from her. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was: Male'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. > On page 17 of Crockett's book there is a French ecclesiastical card > weaving from the twelfth century. It is very finely woven and has > intricate patterns of fleur de lis , vines and diamonds. Does anyone > know of anyone 'out there' reproducing detailed narrow wares like this > for use on their historic re-creations of the same detail? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 22:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K272HP026947 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K25DUw001543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K2594l022559; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K2564l022535 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (york.is.mcw.edu [141.106.12.17]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h5K255m17705 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from post (net-60-62.dhcp.mcw.edu [141.106.60.62]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id h5K254O17697 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c336d0$33428200$3e3c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> From: "mls" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3EF222A5.4000000@grics.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:03:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's what I told people when they asked why I chose the Medical College of Wisconsin for my PhD.....They wear Tudor caps, not mortar boards.....and they gave me a stipend and covered tuition (a minor point, right?). Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Rose Jones To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, 19 June, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown > At 3:52 PM -0500 6/19/03, H. Law wrote: > >Oh!... Not Secret origins in this case. I had heard somewhere that > >the *mortarboard* (like i graduated from HS in) was intended to look > >like a literal mortafboard - as in bricklayers. It sounded pretty > >bizarre to me - if it *isn't* true, it'll be nice to hear that i > >didn't get my b.a. with a polyester imitation of a tray of concrete > >on my head... > > I believe it acquired the nickname "mortarboard" retroactively. The > hat itself is a somewhat peculiar descendent of the biretta, a sort > of squared-off beret. > > My institution (U.C. Berkeley) has a PhD "cap" that's an octagonal > biretta (dark blue velvet w/real metallic tassel). It's definitely > high up on the list of reasons to get a PhD at Berkeley. > > Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 22:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K27fHP026951 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:07:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K25uUw001593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K25r4l022830; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K25p4l022789 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m253.in-tch.com [216.166.191.253]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5K1l0L26155 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EF26C60.55E49E28@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:07:28 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shiney Trim/coronet questions-was:Male'Frankish'headdress 8th century question. References: <004401c336bc$190c1680$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <200306192044.50222.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Thursday 19 June 2003 08:34 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > I'm familiar with Collingwood (have a borrowed copy in the living room > > ), but not Crockett. What's the title of her book(s)? > > --sue, working on learning to make narrow wares > > Crockett's book is called "Card Weaving" and is a basic how-to on card weaving > techniques. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.†> Albert Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 19 23:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K33xHP027077 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K30xUw006212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K30w3g020096; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K30q3g020044 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18081 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:24:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:24:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <04f801c336c6$6d2d3690$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Beteena Paradise wrote: > Also, at the recent Heraldic Symposium in St. Louis, there was a > merchant selling her tablet woven and inkle woven trims and some of > them were unbelievably intricate. I, unfortunately, did not get her > name. I wish I had for I would love to order some stuff from her. I picked up her card. Her prices are excellent, and she seems quite cheerful about doing work to order based on swatches, so I expect I'll be getting some trim made to match a dress that needs it. The trim designs mostly seemed recognizably classic tablet-woven -- ladders, boxes, etc. She had an enormous amount of trim, in cotton, wool, linen, and silk, in lengths ranging from garter-size to 4-yard pieces. Prices depended on width; I was looking for very skinny trim (1cm and smaller), which was mostly $10-$20 for a 4-yard length. The colors she had at the event were not all terribly accurate (e.g. most of the blues were not possible to achieve with woad/indigo) but were definitely in the popular range of fabric colors for the SCA, so appropriate for the buying crowd there. Here's the info from the card: White Wolf and the Phoenix M.J. Houghton (SCA name: Megan o'Donnelly) Inkle weaving, tablet weaving Custom orders welcome Fine handwoven trim in natural fibers 5412 Lakeford Lane Bowie, MD 20720 301-464-8375 herveus@radix.net http://www.radix.net/~herveus The e-mail address appears to be that of her husband, Michael Houghton, who is Herveus d'Ormonde in the SCA. His name is also on the card, as apparently he makes the looms and tablets. Oh, now as I look at the website, I remember seeing some of the other goods -- wider decorative pieces, belts, etc. with a lot of heraldic designs that have significance to various SCA orders and such. I don't see the narrower geometric trims on the site. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 02:04:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K64fHP028846 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5pTUw022732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5pQYd017022; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80405.mail.yahoo.com (web80405.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5K5pOYd016936 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:51:19 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Beteena Paradise wrote: > > > Also, at the recent Heraldic Symposium in St. > Louis, there was a > > merchant selling her tablet woven and inkle woven > trims and some of > > them were unbelievably intricate. I, > unfortunately, did not get her > > name. I wish I had for I would love to order some > stuff from her. > > I picked up her card. Her prices are excellent, and > she seems quite > cheerful about doing work to order based on > swatches, so I expect I'll be > getting some trim made to match a dress that needs > it. > > The trim designs mostly seemed recognizably classic > tablet-woven -- > ladders, boxes, etc. She had an enormous amount of > trim, in cotton, wool, > linen, and silk, in lengths ranging from garter-size > to 4-yard pieces. > Prices depended on width; I was looking for very > skinny trim (1cm and > smaller), which was mostly $10-$20 for a 4-yard > length. The colors she had > at the event were not all terribly accurate (e.g. > most of the blues were > not possible to achieve with woad/indigo) but were > definitely in the > popular range of fabric colors for the SCA, so > appropriate for the buying > crowd there. > > Here's the info from the card: > > White Wolf and the Phoenix > M.J. Houghton (SCA name: Megan o'Donnelly) > Inkle weaving, tablet weaving > Custom orders welcome > Fine handwoven trim in natural fibers > 5412 Lakeford Lane > Bowie, MD 20720 > 301-464-8375 > herveus@radix.net > http://www.radix.net/~herveus > > The e-mail address appears to be that of her > husband, Michael Houghton, > who is Herveus d'Ormonde in the SCA. His name is > also on the card, as > apparently he makes the looms and tablets. > > Oh, now as I look at the website, I remember seeing > some of the other > goods -- wider decorative pieces, belts, etc. with a > lot of heraldic > designs that have significance to various SCA orders > and such. I don't see > the narrower geometric trims on the site. Thanks for the information; it was interesting to peruse her site. Her work is very pretty. A tiny, slightly OT grump: I really wish those little lap style inkle looms would fall out of fashion in the SCA forever. They are not even close to anything of the period; the original inkle loom of this type was designed by Everett Gilmore (the guy who built my floor loom) in the 1930s. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 02:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K65bHP029207 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5qfUw022809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5qeYd017538; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5qcYd017519 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGR00ADAMZOCT@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:18:00 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] what makes a fabric shiny - was - Renaissance period silk shiny or not? In-reply-to: <004f01c33687$8a595120$7b0877d8@pavilion> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030619221654.00af87b0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20030619141219.5791.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:23 AM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: >So here are a few factors to consider when trying to determine the change in >luster of silk through time. > >Lisa Thank you Lisa for sharing with us some wonderful information on the process. So much that goes into the wonderful fiber I drool over (and get waterspots on). :-) And please let us know when your site goes live. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 02:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K67DHP029842 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5sGUw022884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5sGYd018104; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K5sEYd018094 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGR00H7BN2DKA@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:44:52 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) In-reply-to: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030619224401.02ebeed8@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:51 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: >A tiny, slightly OT grump: I really wish those little >lap style inkle looms would fall out of fashion in the >SCA forever. They are not even close to anything of >the period; the original inkle loom of this type was >designed by Everett Gilmore (the guy who built my >floor loom) in the 1930s. > >Dawn Dawn Would card weaving be more appropriate? Just curious, as I have done that a couple of times. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 03:40:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7ePHP001086 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7RSUw029435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7RSZ6028063; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (smtp.austarmetro.com.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7QtZ6027705 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewalpole (dialup-86.46.194.203.acc02-nort-cbr.comindico.com.au [203.194.46.86])h5K7Qgpe002116 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:26:46 +1000 Message-ID: <004801c336fc$aeb28760$562ec2cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:34:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [h-cost] Introduction and Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: 'Historical Costume' Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes of Apparel >~The SCA calling the list "Eric" was another puzzlement for me for ages. >~There's a story behind that too, but I can't remember it anymore. I've >~heard the "purple" clarification a few times, but not the rule yet. >It >~will be interesting to see what form it takes when someone eventually >tells > > >[Sg:] Got my curiosity up, which list? Our list (h-cost)? A tourney >list? > Essentially it started because the rope around the field was red, so someone decided let's call it Eric the Red, later it got shortened to just Eric. So far as I know it's just a West Kingdom thing. Well I suppose I should introduce myself as this is my first post my name is Elizabeth Walpole of Canberra Australia (the capital for those who don't know) Also known as Elizabeth Beaumont of Politarchopolis Lochac within the SCA. I'm not a particularly experienced costumer, right now I have one dress from Simplicity's Ever After plus size pattern 9228 (it's not on their website anymore, for some reason) one Corset made from the instructions at http://costume.dm.net/ and a gathered skirt in matching fabric (oh yeah and 2 Italian Camicas from http://au.geocities.com/bella_lucia_da_verona/ one is thigh length cotton the other is knee length linnen, but the linnen is heavy and therefore probably more middle to lower class) Right now I'm working on a gown based on the portrait of Jane Seymour by Holbein in Green cotton velvet, with red brocade underskirt & sleeves. Then I'm going to make two dresses (an underdress and an overdress) based on holbein's sketch of Sir Thomas More's family. And then a more English smock to go underneath them, and then probably another under or over dress and then who knows. Elizabeth Walpole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 03:40:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7eZHP001133 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7R1Uw029377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7QxZ6027791; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:26:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (smtp.austarmetro.com.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7QuZ6027719 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewalpole (dialup-86.46.194.203.acc02-nort-cbr.comindico.com.au [203.194.46.86])h5K7Qgpg002116 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:26:49 +1000 Message-ID: <004901c336fc$afd77f60$562ec2cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:39:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have heard (can't remember where) that in period Diamonds were frequently painted black because they were usually cut smooth and therefore did not sparkle like modern diamonds take it for what it's worth Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: Cyn Bucheger To: Historical Costume Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener > >> However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to >> recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: >> http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html >> She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they >look >> like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures >> where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone >> seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be >> able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as >> possible. >> > >I've made this necklace, and in every copy of it (I have several since Durer >is one of my favorite artists) that I have seen the cone shape beads appear >to be black glass, which is what I used. It looks "right", if that helps >any > >Cyn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 04:07:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K873HP011474 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:07:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7s3Uw001340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7rwZ6008880; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (smtp.austarmetro.com.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7rsZ6008836 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewalpole (dialup-86.46.194.203.acc02-nort-cbr.comindico.com.au [203.194.46.86])h5K7rlpe006354 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:53:47 +1000 Message-ID: <005a01c33700$741d22a0$562ec2cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:49:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It just occurred to me that that could be misread, the diamonds themselves were not painted, just in portraits they were depicted as black. Elizabeth Walpole -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Walpole To: Historical Costume Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener >I have heard (can't remember where) that in period Diamonds were frequently >painted black because they were usually cut smooth and therefore did not >sparkle like modern diamonds >take it for what it's worth >Elizabeth >-----Original Message----- >From: Cyn Bucheger >To: Historical Costume >Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:48 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Necklace fastener > > >> >>> However, there is another issue. This is the necklace she is trying to >>> recreate. it is Durer's Portrait of a Young Venetian Woman: >>> http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer35.html >>> She was planning on casting the double cone shaped pieces because they >>look >>> like some sort of dark metal in her book. However, I have seen pictures >>> where they look decidedly green like a glass or gemstone bead. Has anyone >>> seen this piece in person or a true to color representation that might be >>> able to shed some light on this? She is trying to make it as authentic as >>> possible. >>> >> >>I've made this necklace, and in every copy of it (I have several since >Durer >>is one of my favorite artists) that I have seen the cone shape beads appear >>to be black glass, which is what I used. It looks "right", if that helps >>any >> >>Cyn >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 06:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KA1LHP001439 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:01:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K9wMUw009665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K9wHFY024283; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web60001.mail.yahoo.com (web60001.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.224]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5K9wEFY024210 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030620095808.61531.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.53] by web60001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:58:08 BST Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:58:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Historic Costuming , Tudor Fashions , H-costume list , HNW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Embroidery Talk at V&A X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear All, I have been invited back by the V&A to give another talk and demonstration on Tudor Embroidery. If you fancy coming along and having a look and a chat the details are as follows: 5th & 6th July 2-5pm Gallery 123 (4th floor in the New British Galleries) Demonstrating: blackwork, slips, goldwork and anything else I can get on the tube. Hope to see you there. Rachel ===== Threads of History www.threadsofhistory.co.uk __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 08:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCh2HP004317 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:43:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCe2Uw020272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCe0Ft028429; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCdwFt028415 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TLBM-00078m-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:56 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Introduction and Calling the list Eric? Was: Purple and Statutes ofApparel Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c33729$0e4278d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <004801c336fc$aeb28760$562ec2cb@ewalpole> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth and welcome! It is so cool to talk to people around the world! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 08:45:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCjJHP004327 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:45:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgFUw020408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgEFt029547; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgBFt029529 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A11F320388; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:42:07 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I find myself interested in what you would suggest as an alternative? Betsy A tiny, slightly OT grump: I really wish those little lap style inkle looms would fall out of fashion in the SCA forever. They are not even close to anything of the period; the original inkle loom of this type was designed by Everett Gilmore (the guy who built my floor loom) in the 1930s. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 08:45:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCjbHP004332 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:45:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgbUw020428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgbFt029679; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCgYFt029627 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030620124229.BQWF7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <086f01c33729$6ad003b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004901c336fc$afd77f60$562ec2cb@ewalpole> Subject: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:42:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know that bleach and dye remover both yellow linen, but how much (if at all) does each weaken the fibers? E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 08:47:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KClTHP004339 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCiSUw020539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCiSFt000672; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCiPFt000647 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TLFh-0003uc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:44:25 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:44:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c33729$ae873830$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030619224401.02ebeed8@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it isn't the resulting narrow ware that is not period, but the loom itself. ~ ~Would card weaving be more appropriate? Just curious, as I have done that a ~couple of times. ~ ~Kimiko ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 08:55:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCtmHP004353 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCqkUw021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCqhFt004154; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KCqfFt004135 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail22.ureach.com (mail22.ureach.com [172.16.2.82]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11111 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:52:40 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-65.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.65]) by mail22.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA08158 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <052a01c3372a$5bf590c0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:49:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) > > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Beteena Paradise wrote: > > > Also, at the recent Heraldic Symposium in St. Louis, there was a > > merchant selling her tablet woven and inkle woven trims and some of > > them were unbelievably intricate. I, unfortunately, did not get her > > name. I wish I had for I would love to order some stuff from her. > > I picked up her card. Her prices are excellent, and she seems quite > cheerful about doing work to order based on swatches, so I expect I'll be > getting some trim made to match a dress that needs it. > > The trim designs mostly seemed recognizably classic tablet-woven -- > ladders, boxes, etc. She had an enormous amount of trim, in cotton, wool, > linen, and silk, in lengths ranging from garter-size to 4-yard pieces. > Prices depended on width; I was looking for very skinny trim (1cm and > smaller), which was mostly $10-$20 for a 4-yard length. The colors she had > at the event were not all terribly accurate (e.g. most of the blues were > not possible to achieve with woad/indigo) but were definitely in the > popular range of fabric colors for the SCA, so appropriate for the buying > crowd there. > > Here's the info from the card: > > White Wolf and the Phoenix > M.J. Houghton (SCA name: Megan o'Donnelly) > Inkle weaving, tablet weaving > Custom orders welcome > Fine handwoven trim in natural fibers > 5412 Lakeford Lane > Bowie, MD 20720 > 301-464-8375 > herveus@radix.net > http://www.radix.net/~herveus > > The e-mail address appears to be that of her husband, Michael Houghton, > who is Herveus d'Ormonde in the SCA. His name is also on the card, as > apparently he makes the looms and tablets. > > Oh, now as I look at the website, I remember seeing some of the other > goods -- wider decorative pieces, belts, etc. with a lot of heraldic > designs that have significance to various SCA orders and such. I don't see > the narrower geometric trims on the site. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 09:03:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD3DHP004368 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:03:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD09Uw021517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD087w007433; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD027w007386 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TLUn-0001C5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:00:01 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving-the loom itself Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:00:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c3372b$dc9c5460$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~Oh, now as I look at the website, I remember seeing some of the other ~goods -- wider decorative pieces, belts, etc. with a lot of heraldic ~designs that have significance to various SCA orders and such. I don't see [Sg:] Someone had asked about other looms, and this place sells them and has them in stock (when I was looking earlier I had difficulty finding someone who actually had them available). I am FAR from being an expert, but as I recall her large floor loom looks very much like the one you see in artwork, but the smaller looms look like they are from much later (1800's and onward). I don't' remember seeing a small loom in any artwork from the medieval or renaissance but this may be because they may have been looming off their waists and there really wasn't a loom per se. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 09:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KDBcHP004384 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:11:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD8cUw022218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD8b7w011656; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KD8Y7w011627 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TLd4-0002nz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:08:34 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving-complexity and execution Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:08:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c3372d$0e22e610$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~> White Wolf and the Phoenix ~> M.J. Houghton (SCA name: Megan o'Donnelly) ~> Inkle weaving, tablet weaving ~> Custom orders welcome ~> Fine handwoven trim in natural fibers ~> 5412 Lakeford Lane ~> Bowie, MD 20720 ~> 301-464-8375 ~> herveus@radix.net ~> http://www.radix.net/~herveus [Sg:] Not to discredited this gal's work because it is lovely, but the piece I was referring to is much finer in design and in execution. Most of the narrow wares I see today are much like the one this gal has, nicely executed but simple by comparison. Also I don't see very many people working with as fine a thread as must have been used. Tablet weaving produces a relatively thick ware as compared to an inkled piece using the same fiber. That may be one of the reasons you see so many folks doing inkle weaving. Also the pickup work that can be done on an inkle is pretty awesome. (The only reason I know this is because on of my very good friends does a lot of the latter.) If I have time later today, I will post a picture of the piece I was referring to. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 10:28:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KESHHP004642 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:28:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KEPIUw029507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KEPG1Q021631; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-f36.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KEPE1Q021568 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:25:09 -0700 Received: from 207.96.224.159 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:25:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.96.224.159] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:25:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 14:25:09.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0989560:01C33737] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bleach is always much harder on fibers - any kind of fiber (though some more than others, i.e. wool and silk dissolve in bleach). Dye remover will be much nicer. And it's the first I hear about it yellowing linen (though I wouldn't be surprised if it does) >From: "E House" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen >Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:42:31 -0500 > >I know that bleach and dye remover both yellow linen, but how much (if at >all) does each weaken the fibers? > >E > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 10:30:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KEUfHP004655 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:30:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KESpUw029893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KESo1Q023600; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03.fuse.net (mx3.fuse.net [216.68.1.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KESl1Q023567 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eyrie.fuse.net ([66.161.189.10]) by mta03.fuse.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030620142847.ISIW19365.mta03.fuse.net@eyrie.fuse.net> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030620103257.00b06e80@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:33:10 -0400 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: "J.E. M-C" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just testing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 11:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFDhHP004775 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:13:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFBiUw004162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFBfJX019769; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFBcJX019659 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.1a7.160889e0 (4362) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.160889e0.2c247e22@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:11:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:26:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > Dye remover will be much nicer. And it's the first I hear about it > yellowing > linen (though I wouldn't be surprised if it does) > Dye remover is a reducing bleach. It probably will not remove all the color, but should not harm the fibers, either. I bought some blush linen with the hopes I could bleach it white, but not all the color was removed. I think color remover works best if you are trying to strip out enough color to get a good re-dye job. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 11:46:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFkJHP004884 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFiBUw008075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KFi9JX012224; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5KFi5JX012185 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11606 invoked by uid 1005); 20 Jun 2003 15:43:58 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.068731 secs); 20 Jun 2003 15:43:58 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.068731 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 15:43:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen In-Reply-To: <1a7.160889e0.2c247e22@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030620114323.B2190-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are period recipes for removing color from linen that involve lemon juice; perhaps this would be something to try? (If you have a few bushels of lemons...) Drea On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:26:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > > > Dye remover will be much nicer. And it's the first I hear about it > > yellowing > > linen (though I wouldn't be surprised if it does) > > > > Dye remover is a reducing bleach. It probably will not remove all the color, > but should not harm the fibers, either. I bought some blush linen with the > hopes I could bleach it white, but not all the color was removed. I think > color remover works best if you are trying to strip out enough color to get a good > re-dye job. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 12:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGOJHP004964 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KEm1Uw001966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KElx1Q004994; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5KElt1Q004899 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Os80VWnZhyi4+qQtTWQoGwY=">; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:47:41 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H25HZ3CR; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:47:41 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20030620.074656.1836.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-8,11-12,15-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Eric and coifs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Essentially it started because the rope around the field was red, so > someone > decided let's call it Eric the Red, later it got shortened to just > Eric. So > far as I know it's just a West Kingdom thing. An Tir, which used to be a Principality of the West a Long Time Ago, also did this. We still use the term. Getting back on track, with obligatory costume content ;) , I have a lovely white medieval cap (coif). Does anyone know if these caps were ever embellished? I am thinking specifically 14th century England. Btw, if you are wearing one on a hot day, get it soaking wet. Mine's lined with flannel. The flannel dries very slowly and it's great air conditioning. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 12:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGPPHP004967 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:25:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KDeJUw025169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KDeI7w027636; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KDeE7w027591 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23.ureach.com (mailout.ureach.com [172.16.2.83]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26145 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:40:14 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-154-0-65.asm.bellsouth.net [68.154.0.65]) by mail23.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10439 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <057001c33731$00af27b0$210110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c3372d$0e22e610$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving-complexity and execution Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:36:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving-complexity and execution > Also I don't see very many people working with as fine a thread as must > have been used. Tablet weaving produces a relatively thick ware as > compared to an inkled piece using the same fiber. That may be one of > the reasons you see so many folks doing inkle weaving. Also the pickup > work that can be done on an inkle is pretty awesome. (The only reason I > know this is because on of my very good friends does a lot of the > latter.) > > If I have time later today, I will post a picture of the piece I was > referring to. The first woman I mentioned does tablet weaving with a single strands of embroidery floss. Would that qualify? I have been working from memory with regards to that picture as I don't own that book (yet!) so if you could post it, I would be greatly appreciative. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 12:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGv7HP005027 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGt9Uw017498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGt6nE006126; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KGt2nE006076 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.31.68.175.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([67.31.68.175] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TPAC-0001xW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:55:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF33C7F.6000001@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:55:27 -0400 From: AF Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tablet/card/inkle bands X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm combining a couple of replies, here... Yes, there are people both in and out of the SCA who are doing lovely tablet weaving - some simple, some very intricate. I'm just learning, myself... There are a number who use the very fine silks, do detailed work, some do brocade, etc. In fact, seeing someone weave gold brocade was my introduction to it. Most of them, though, are doing this for their own garments, and their own pleasure, not for sale. Like so much handwork (think blackwork, Bjarne's lace and embroidery, etc.) the delicate work is too labor intensive for them to market at a fair price. I've seen Michael and MJ's work, and spoken to them a number of times. (No, they won't remember me... *G*) Yes, what they sell is pretty simple - they're not in this purely for their health, and need a product they can price to sell while making a semi-decent hourly wage. And their simplest trim is certainly more medieval than most purchased in fabric stores! But they can do much more intricate work - they might be willing to do that on a custom basis... don't know. It would, of course, cost more... Most of their laddered bands are not cardwoven, but band woven. Standard warp-faced tabby, without the additional twining caused by the cards. Commonly called inkle bands. Their other patterns are tablet woven, and that's what she usually does while marketing, so people can learn what it is about. Most of us who do this, at least seriously, know that the "inkle loom" is a modern invention, though it is used to weave traditional bands. But we continue to use it because it is convenient. In my case, I have had one for years - I was a weaver long before I became interested in historic textiles, and still have an equal interest in modern work. They are easy to get, not too expensive, and sturdy. They are also easier than many others to throw in a bag and take someplace. A belt loom is even more portable, of course, but it can be hard to keep the tension regular, especially for a beginner, and you're not always in a position to tie yourself to a nearby object. The resulting narrowwork comes out the same, whether you use it, a box loom, or a reproduction Oseberg loom. There also isn't as much information as we'd like about the looms used... the few pictures there are often have odd perspective, or seem to be missing parts (Warp threads magically suspended in mid-air, *behind* the cards, in one, as I remember... Illustrators had no idea we would want these as blueprints.) So, we do what we can. Back to lurking... Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 13:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KHQWHP005167 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KHOeUw020960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KHOZnE027834; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KHOUnE027672 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030620172425.DFVM7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:24:25 -0400 Message-ID: <08b801c33750$cddc3ce0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030620114323.B2190-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:24:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's not the lemons that would present the problem, it's the fact that I'm in the middle of moving and have zero project room for the next month, while I stay with relatives until I pick out our next place. =} I have used both bleach and dye remover on linen before. There was no noticeable reduction in strength... key word, 'noticeable.' I don't know if what I'm doing now may cut the garment's lifetime in half, or worse. And yeah, both yellow the linen. The longer you leave the linen in, the more yellow it gets. You can get a VERY bright, almost school-bus yellow that way... at almost no cost. (Although I've never tried this with white linen. It would probably yellow it as well, but you may not get quite so bright a yellow.) Something to consider when you're looking for _very_ cheap and downright unfadeable yellow dyes for linen. (One $1.50 box of color remover is enough for ~6 yards, or maybe even more.) Be aware though that while the fabric is soaking, contact with air can cause discolored patches. Dye remover also turns wool a less vivid yellow; however, it does weird things to the smell of the wool, so even though the wool doesn't feel particularly weakened either, I have serious suspicions about permanent harmful effects there. (The smell isn't BAD, it's just ...pungent. Kind of like some tropical fruit, but I can't figure out which. Better than wet goat, though.) E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen > There are period recipes for removing color from linen that involve lemon > juice; perhaps this would be something to try? (If you have a few bushels > of lemons...) > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 14:05:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KI5cHP005254 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KI3pUw025785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KI3np8028220; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KI3kp8028187 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19TQEj-0001JV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:03:46 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tablet/card/inkle bands Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c33756$4af04000$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EF33C7F.6000001@earthlink.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the thoughtful response Anne, don't just lurk so much! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 18:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KM1YHP006837 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KLxeUw023490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KLxbn3013510; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KLxVn3013416 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGS00A1XVR5D3@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:47:09 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen In-reply-to: <20030620114323.B2190-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030620144537.02e8eb48@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <1a7.160889e0.2c247e22@aol.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:44 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote: >There are period recipes for removing color from linen that involve lemon >juice; perhaps this would be something to try? (If you have a few bushels >of lemons...) > >Drea Do you have the instructions posted somewhere? I have a friend with a large lemon tree with lots of fruit every year, and I have a juicer. And I have a backyard with lots of sunshine all day long. I am presuming the use of the sun to help in the bleaching. TIA Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 19:12:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KNCdHP011034 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KNAcUw001056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KNAbNp027004; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailrelay.mebtel.net (spambuster4.mebtel.net [64.40.67.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KNAXNp026974 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grics.net (66-79-58-71.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [66.79.58.71]) by mailrelay.mebtel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A3527A7C for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF3A291.8020902@grics.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:57 -0500 From: "H. Law" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown References: <3EF222A5.4000000@grics.net> <000f01c336d0$33428200$3e3c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> In-Reply-To: <000f01c336d0$33428200$3e3c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thank you ladies - those little "hearsay-bites just stick every now and then, like a "catchy" tune. And it seems like the ones that really stick always seem to turn out to be BS some reporter made up... Heather L mls wrote: >That's what I told people when they asked why I chose the Medical College of >Wisconsin for my PhD.....They wear Tudor caps, not mortar boards.....and >they gave me a stipend and covered tuition (a minor point, right?). > >Marie >----- Original Message ----- >From: Heather Rose Jones >To: Historical Costume >Sent: Thursday, 19 June, 2003 4:28 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] cap and gown > > > > >>At 3:52 PM -0500 6/19/03, H. Law wrote: >> >> >>>Oh!... Not Secret origins in this case. I had heard somewhere that >>>the *mortarboard* (like i graduated from HS in) was intended to look >>>like a literal mortafboard - as in bricklayers. It sounded pretty >>>bizarre to me - if it *isn't* true, it'll be nice to hear that i >>>didn't get my b.a. with a polyester imitation of a tray of concrete >>>on my head... >>> >>> >>I believe it acquired the nickname "mortarboard" retroactively. The >>hat itself is a somewhat peculiar descendent of the biretta, a sort >>of squared-off beret. >> >>My institution (U.C. Berkeley) has a PhD "cap" that's an octagonal >>biretta (dark blue velvet w/real metallic tassel). It's definitely >>high up on the list of reasons to get a PhD at Berkeley. >> >>Heather >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 22:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L2KvHP011531 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L2J4Uw015403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L2IxZK026838; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.mn.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L2GpZK025981 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com ([65.29.26.80]) by mail2.mn.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:16:50 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030620212050.032b41e0@smtp-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@smtp-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:21:32 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Embroidery Talk at V&A In-Reply-To: <20030620095808.61531.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ACK! Wouldn't it just figure? I'm not leaving for England until the 11th! Do tell us how it went/ Cheers, Danielle At 10:58 AM 6/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I have been invited back by the V&A to give another talk and demonstration >on Tudor Embroidery. >If you fancy coming along and having a look and a chat the details are as >follows: > >5th & 6th July >2-5pm >Gallery 123 (4th floor in the New British Galleries) > >Demonstrating: blackwork, slips, goldwork and anything else I can get on >the tube. > >Hope to see you there. > >Rachel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 20 23:19:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3JOHP011690 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3GPUw018757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3GOTg018987; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3BaTg017078 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 208-58-249-226.s226.tnt1.nwhv.ct.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.249.226] helo=rcn.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19TYmt-0007nH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3EF3CCE5.4080909@rcn.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:11:33 -0400 From: Catelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200306201800.h5KI0bpA025997@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] White Wolf & the Phoenix Re: Tablet/card/inkle bands X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Saragrace Knauf" > [Sg:] Someone had asked about other looms, and this place sells them > and has them in stock (when I was looking earlier I had difficulty > findingsomeone who actually had them available). I am FAR from being > an expert, but as I recall her large floor loom looks very much like > the one you see in artwork, but the smaller looms look like they are > from much later (1800's and onward). I don't' remember seeing a small > loom in any artwork from the medieval or renaissance but this may be > because they may have been looming off their waists and there really > wasn't a loom per se. I've seen the documentation White Wolf & the Phoenix have for the open-sided small loom; it was a 15th century illumination or woodcut (I didn't get the cite, sorry), but the style looked, iirc, like the famous picture of a woman tracing an embroidery pattern onto cloth held on a picture-stretcher-style frame. Anyway, they did not develop the design out of thin air. If anyone wishes to, I'm sure they'd give the cite for the picture of the open frame style small loom. I had believed the box loom was the major form of band loom both in the medieval period and later until at least the industrial revolution, when mechanical looms became the norm. The odd-ball "pair of balusters" frame is also documentable to c. 1400-50. And backstrap of various forms also possible. (but it hurts my back.) Ann in CT p.s. Dawn, thanks so much for the exact description of the inkle loom originator. I had known 20th century, but not by any reliable source. AC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 00:01:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L41MHP011772 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3xbUw022344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L3xZM2011926; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5L3twM2010423 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030621035553.92858.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:55:53 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030620114323.B2190-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > There are period recipes for removing color from > linen that involve lemon > juice; perhaps this would be something to try? (If > you have a few bushels > of lemons...) I don't know if anyone else has answered this, but yes, lemon juice does work, as does buttermilk (it's also acidic). Both work particularly well if you put the linen in the sun and let it dry, then repeat the process until your linen is the whiteness you want. I seem to remember seeing a program once on PBS (Connections?) that the buttermilk/sun method was used to bleach linens until somebody invented chlorine bleach in the 19th century. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 00:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4AWHP011797 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L48lUw022929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L48kM2015944; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80409.mail.yahoo.com (web80409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5L48hM2015888 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:08:38 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <08b801c33750$cddc3ce0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- E House wrote: > It's not the lemons that would present the problem, > it's the fact that I'm > in the middle of moving and have zero project room > for the next month, while > I stay with relatives until I pick out our next > place. =} > > I have used both bleach and dye remover on linen > before. There was no > noticeable reduction in strength... key word, > 'noticeable.' I don't know if > what I'm doing now may cut the garment's lifetime in > half, or worse. > > And yeah, both yellow the linen. The longer you > leave the linen in, the more > yellow it gets. You can get a VERY bright, almost > school-bus yellow that > way... at almost no cost. (Although I've never tried > this with white linen. > It would probably yellow it as well, but you may not > get quite so bright a > yellow.) OK, either I'm completely weird or the water in Northern California is, because I've stripped the color and bleached miles (or more than 100 yards) of linen over the past 10 years, both originally unbleached and commercially bleached, and I can honestly say that up to this point I've never had linen turn yellow from anything except yellow dye. I've used Rit dye remover to strip color (not very effective) before redying linen to the color I need. I just finished bleaching out 10 yards of unbleached linen with Clorox, and it's all white--not the optic white that one gets with commercially bleached linen, but a good warm white. I used 1 cup per yard of fabric in a full washer along with soap, on hot. Soaked the fabric for 30 minutes, then washed, then repeated the entire process again. I really can't say if the fabric is weaker, or doesn't hold up as well, as Faire shirts (what all this white linen is destined for) take a tremendous amount of abuse during a run. However, it seems to me that the last batch of shirts lasted about 5 years--not bad for something that's getting worn every weekend and washed every week. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 00:28:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4SvHP011818 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:28:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4RCUw024332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4RBM2023808; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4R9M2023777 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030621042703.LFK23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:27:03 -0400 Message-ID: <090201c337ad$6054dcb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:27:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It may have something to do with the amount of time and the method, then. I use a big ole plastic vat (~50 gallons? not sure exactly) for all my dyeing, etc, projects. In order to yellow the linen, here's what I've done in the past. Bleach: About a cup of bleach to a ~40 gallons of tepid water. Cover, leave overnight, stirring occasionally. The yellow is very much a sunshine color; very saturated. Dye Remover: 1-2 boxes in ~40 gallons of 125 degrees water. Weight it down so that it's all submerged, cover, and leave overnight, stirring regularly. The yellow is darker and has a bit more orange and brown to it, and the places that are exposed to air turn brownish-green. With the dye remover, you will see the water itself turning very yellow the longer you leave it; I expect that this has something to do with the yellowing effect. It takes at least an hour or so for the yellowing to really start. For a test with the dye remover, you might put a teaspoon-full into a bowl with a linen swatch, then microwave it for a couple of minutes. Let it sit out a couple of hours, and you'll start to see the effect; faster because it'll be more concentrated. By the way, the only dye remover I've tried this with is of the same chemical formula as the Rit stuff. E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 00:43:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4hnHP011843 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:43:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4g2Uw025572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4g0M2000956; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80402.mail.yahoo.com (web80402.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5L4fvM2000902 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030621044152.91122.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.185.216] by web80402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:41:52 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <090201c337ad$6054dcb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- E House wrote: > It may have something to do with the amount of time > and the method, then. I > use a big ole plastic vat (~50 gallons? not sure > exactly) for all my dyeing, > etc, projects. In order to yellow the linen, here's > what I've done in the > past. > > Bleach: > About a cup of bleach to a ~40 gallons of tepid > water. Cover, leave > overnight, stirring occasionally. The yellow is very > much a sunshine color; > very saturated. > > Dye Remover: > 1-2 boxes in ~40 gallons of 125 degrees water. > Weight it down so that it's > all submerged, cover, and leave overnight, stirring > regularly. The yellow is > darker and has a bit more orange and brown to it, > and the places that are > exposed to air turn brownish-green. > > With the dye remover, you will see the water itself > turning very yellow the > longer you leave it; I expect that this has > something to do with the > yellowing effect. It takes at least an hour or so > for the yellowing to > really start. > > For a test with the dye remover, you might put a > teaspoon-full into a bowl > with a linen swatch, then microwave it for a couple > of minutes. Let it sit > out a couple of hours, and you'll start to see the > effect; faster because > it'll be more concentrated. By the way, the only dye > remover I've tried this > with is of the same chemical formula as the Rit > stuff. > > E Thanks for posting what you're doing. It sounds like you're using very dilute solutions. OTOH, I'm specifically trying to get the color off/out of the fiber, so I'm using much stronger solutions: for 10 yards of fabric, about 10 cups of bleach in 20 gallons of water (I'm guessing on how much water my washing machine holds). Also (and this may be a big difference), I add laundry detergent when I'm bleaching, and that may be keeping the linen from yellowing. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 01:00:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L50eHP011874 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:00:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4unUw026539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4umLn007027; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net (lakemtao05.cox.net [68.1.17.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L4ujLn006947 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030621045639.UUFE28938.lakemtao05.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:56:39 -0400 Message-ID: <090b01c337b1$830f1a50$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621044152.91122.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:56:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this probably is the big difference, that and the amount of time, which is very important--I've done it with all sorts of different ratios, and the added bleach or dye remover just makes it a bit faster. I just dilute it more because A) the bleach smell makes me sneeze and B) the dye remover's cost can add up quick, and why get more if it works with less? The detergent doesn't budge the yellowing AFTER it's yellowed, but putting it in at the same time might well be what stops it from happening. What type of detergent do you use? E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Jacobson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen > Also (and this may be a big > difference), I add laundry detergent when I'm > bleaching, and that may be keeping the linen from > yellowing. > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 02:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L69kHP015122 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L66sUw002784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L66q9C009025; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L66n9C008923 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-99-51.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.99.51]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AEM74028; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:06:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <015201c337bb$d1faea40$24a24ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:10:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A possibility might be a diference in the dyes used o the linen too. Most reactive dyed cellulosics won't come white even commercially, so to get the white it is possible that the fabric was direct dyed. Stripping always weakens the fabrics, one reason we always got a majory telling off if a dyehouse (commercial) batch went wrong, if humanly possible you would over dye to the colour you wanted. It also messes up the dye sites not a problem I guess if you only want white though ! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 09:57:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LDvSHP016082 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LDtfUw029323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LDtTmU006672; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LDtPmU006612 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p90-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.192.90] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Tipt-0005xJ-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:55:22 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF463C5.9000708@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:55:17 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20030619112505.Y82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> In-Reply-To: <20030619112505.Y82717-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) So... photos tomorrow but I just had to share my excitement;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 10:12:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LECDHP016128 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:12:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEARUw000535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEAPmU013057; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9401.mail.yahoo.com (web9401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5LEALmU013048 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030621141021.60740.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.200.153] by web9401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:10:21 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EF463C5.9000708@ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congrats, Michaela:) Albra michaela wrote: Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) So... photos tomorrow but I just had to share my excitement;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 10:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEDlHP016139 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEC3Uw000647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEC3mU013838; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEC1mU013812 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Tj5x-0005f2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:11:58 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:11:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c337ff$13b7d9f0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Website update... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had several inquiries from folks who have linked to website. Just thought I'd let everyone know it is down for re-construction. I won't be getting it back up for a week or so since I am leaving town. The only page that is working right now is the Tunic Tales Diary. It is done and I have posted a picture of the tunic lying flat out. I just shipped it off to its new owner and will post pictures when he sends them to me. Thanks for your patience. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 10:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEEfHP016145 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LECvUw000791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LECtmU014445; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LECpmU014350 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.176.1c200af2 (3874) for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <176.1c200af2.2c25c1cf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:12:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:57:05 AM Central Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams > etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth > gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just > fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) > Hey Congrats My Lady (with the capitol "L"), :) ! -Sarra Wryght Elizabethan Dress Journals: http://hometown.aol.com/loreleimorte/index.html Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 21 10:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEF1HP016152 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEDHUw000840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEDGmU014580; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LEDEmU014565 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Tj7B-0006rO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:13:13 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3EF463C5.9000708@ihug.co.nz> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations...could you explain a little about what the award is for us SCA (still) 'ignorants'. Sg ~-----Original Message----- ~From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On ~Behalf Of michaela ~Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:55 AM ~To: Historical Costume ~Subject: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! ~ ~Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams ~etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth ~gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just ~fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) ~ ~So... photos tomorrow but I just had to share my excitement;) ~ ~michaela ~http://glittersweet.com ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~h-costume mailing list ~h-costume@mail.indra.com ~http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKCOHP006987 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKA5Uw000737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NK9wap025210; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LKYPZm008357 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Tp45-000640-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:34:25 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c33834$8151c360$6401a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone out there? I don't think I have ever seen the list this quiet unless there is something wrong.. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:16:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKGxHP007001 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKF9Uw001431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKF8ap029205; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5M2Jx2T003592 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03509979pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.54.185.111]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGV0038O2H0BM@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:19:54 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF5124A.2090401@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] new website on Smithsonian's collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, not all the collection... but I just noticed today that the Museum of American History has added a page to their website recently with pictures and information on a fair number of the dresses in their collection. http://americanhistory2.si.edu/costume/ (you can get there through www.si.edu and follow the links to the museum... there's a link on the front page right now) -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKKvHP007014 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:20:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKJAUw002000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKJ8ap002588; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5M74CAt010726 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DB3E4C00176 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:04:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001101c3388c$7a2185a0$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:04:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: net.indra.com 1072; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] Copper Age Shoe Construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Prehistoric 'shoes' better than modern hiking boots":- http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_792377.html?menu=news.quirkies Linda Walton _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:23:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKNLHP007032 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:23:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKLXUw002514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKLUap004785; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5MB2dxY014387 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p753-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.194.245] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19U2cD-0000nu-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:02:34 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF58CCB.2040406@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:02:35 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! References: <20030621141021.60740.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030621141021.60740.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Firstly: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm for new piccies:) KATHRYN WOLTERS wrote: > Congrats, Michaela:) > Albra Thank you:) LoreleiMorte@aol.com wrote: > Hey Congrats My Lady (with the capitol "L"), :) ! > > -Sarra Wryght *grin* Thank you:) Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Congratulations...could you explain a little about what the award is for > us SCA (still) 'ignorants'. > > Sg lol! Well honestly I'm not much better.. but it's the start of status within the sca:) http://www.usd.edu/socrean/SCASLANG.HTML seems quite good at explaining:) Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > Vivat!! > What is your SCA name? > > Dianne > > aka Lady Laurensa de Chambord Thank you :) It's Mine Bruysz if the heralds accept;) They should I got both names from sites that were created by knowelegable people:) Both 15th C lowlands:) It should work, I'll be fighting for something as close to that as possible if there is a problem:) Now to work on a device;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:28:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKSvHP007052 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:28:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKRBUw003286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKR9ap008986; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5MErc4J011753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h5MErcuf011752 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:53:38 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Message-ID: <20030622145338.GC21857@net.indra.com> References: <3EF463C5.9000708@ihug.co.nz> <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:13:12AM -0700, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Congratulations...could you explain a little about what the award is for > us SCA (still) 'ignorants'. An Award of Arms (AoA) is given at the pleasure of the Crown, typically for service or skills. It is generally the first award anyone receives within the SCA, and says basically "we think you understand our game and are doing a good job playing it." The recipients are known as armigers, and may use the title Lord or Lady (or the equivalent in their persona's language) before their name. ...eliz -- Please allow up to 3 weeks for delivery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKUiHP007060 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKSmUw003601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKSkap010342; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5MHlJcd019754 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-118-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.118.61])h5MHlD8K010748 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030622104206.02403eb8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:44:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen In-Reply-To: <090b01c337b1$830f1a50$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <20030621044152.91122.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:56 PM 6/20/2003 -0500, E wrote: >I think this probably is the big difference, that and the amount of time, >which is very important--I've done it with all sorts of different ratios, >and the added bleach or dye remover just makes it a bit faster. I just >dilute it more because A) the bleach smell makes me sneeze and B) the dye >remover's cost can add up quick, and why get more if it works with less? > >The detergent doesn't budge the yellowing AFTER it's yellowed, but putting >it in at the same time might well be what stops it from happening. What type >of detergent do you use? The standard institutional laundry detergent from Costco. It doesn't have any "brighteners" in it, so it's just standard laundry "soap." Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:33:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKXoHP007072 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKVwUw004204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:31:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKVvap012978; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5MMQdfY021679 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.78]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HGWMC200.5WJ for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:26:26 +1000 Received: from cwpp-p-203-54-206-141.prem.tmns.net.au ([203.54.206.141]) by psmam04.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 92/34246827); 23 Jun 2003 08:26:28 Message-ID: <007501c3390d$54233f20$8dce36cb@clarke> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621035553.92858.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:26:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-Misty-Metrics: net.indra.com 1170; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Jacobson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen >> > I don't know if anyone else has answered this, but > yes, lemon juice does work, as does buttermilk (it's > also acidic). Both work particularly well if you put > the linen in the sun and let it dry, then repeat the > process until your linen is the whiteness you want. > > If the sun in your area is strong enough you can use just the sun and water. It's not very fast, but it's useful for toning things down. I had some red linen that was waaaay too bright so I hung it on the line for a week or so and squirted it with the hose whenever it started to dry out. Toned it down nicely. Also I have a shift that started out cream and has slowly become white simply through washing and hanging on the line. Of course, we do have an awful lot of UV light around here... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:38:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKcpHP007250 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKawUw005182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKauap017242; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5N3OxbQ001264 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03486178pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.86.79.197]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGX00G4X02T7N@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:25:04 -0500 From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3EF67310.3080209@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] dye,bleach and linen... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What color is it that you are trying to remove? I have used bleach with linen in the wash for years and never had it yellow one bit. And I have soaked it over night. (not a colored linen, but a dingy white linen that had an awful unknown stain in it)... It never yellowed. Is it a fairly dark color you are trying to remove, that might have a yellow base color in it? -- Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKd3HP007260 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:39:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKbDUw005222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKbBap017466; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5N3iDbQ009594 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-243-206.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.206] helo=[66.81.241.224]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19UIFY-0008Eu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:44:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> References: <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:43:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] RE: I got an award of arms! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Twenty more people will probably chime in and explain this, but.... At 7:13 AM -0700 6/21/03, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >Congratulations...could you explain a little about what the award is for >us SCA (still) 'ignorants'. It's usually the first award people get in the SCA. An Award of Arms means they are formally given the "right to bear arms" (although in many cases they've already registered a personal coat of arms and are using them) and the right to be called "Lord" or "Lady." (Which isn't a particularly historical use of the titles, but after thirty years of the SCA it's a bit too late to change the custom...) Usually you get an Award of Arms when you have been in the SCA for at least a few months (though it's sometimes years....) and for one reason or another you come to the attention of the current King and Queen. Sometimes this is because you've done Good Things, sometimes it's because someone else has written a letter of recommendation (my entire local group was in on a plot to get me mine, which was a bit embarrassing!). One's first award is often a very cherished memory, so this one means a lot to many SCA members. Also in most kingdoms you get some sort of nifty hand-illuminated certificate with it (sometimes, but not always, hand-calligraphed as well). -- "Lady Christian de Holacombe," a.k.a. _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:51:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKp9HP007319 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKn2Uw006740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKmxap026366; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5N8CrWa028701 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:12:48 BST Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:12:48 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just surfed through new patterns (looking for a nice new wide trouser pattern) and came across the new simplicity catalogue. Could anyone tell me wich period the following pattern is supposed to be? http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpg Cheers! Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:52:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKqDHP007324 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKe7Wk005664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKNvap006778; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5MD2wRs001540 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A9001403C0; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:02:56 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:02:55 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c338be$993cb4a0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EF463C5.9000708@ihug.co.nz> X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I doubt it was for "just" those two dresses- all the stuff you have shared with us looks really good to me! Congratulations (or as we say in Ansteorra )"Vivat!" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) So... photos tomorrow but I just had to share my excitement;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 16:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKx0HP007343 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:59:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKvAUw007816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKv8SX002382; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5NIbxmQ014522 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 18:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <008b01c339b6$91ebb2c0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:37:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Arnold's Patterns of Fashion on EBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5NKx0HP007343 Status: RO List, There is a copy of Arnolds' Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620 closing in a few hours on ebay. 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(U.S. currency only) *Win two auctions or more and get discounted shipping. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 17:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLmnHP007533 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:48:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLl0Uw019044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLkwSX014318; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www19.networkshosting.com (www19.networkshosting.com [66.96.128.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5NKrWap029617 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5825 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 20:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO costumepress.com) (67.31.141.57) by www19.fatcow.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 20:45:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF768C2.E94DA06A@costumepress.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:53:23 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposedto be? References: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 1850s, but it could be used through the 1860s if not interpreted as "current" fashion. MD/Marged N Kipar wrote: > Could anyone tell me which period the following pattern is supposed to be? > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpgg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 17:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLn0HP007539 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:49:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLlDUw019094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLlBSX014476; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NKsvap000709 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A9203604A0; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:54:56 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Test Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c339c9$b407b6c0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c33834$8151c360$6401a8c0@mycomputer> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also notice that my messages skip from Saturday 6/21 @ 09:15 to Monday 6/23 @ 15:23. did I miss much? Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:34 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Test Is anyone out there? I don't think I have ever seen the list this quiet unless there is something wrong.. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 17:49:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLnpHP007543 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:49:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLm7Uw019325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLm6SX015203; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5NKxfSX004739 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCvq9o5j79E/1SRbJwKsybpNE0AyH5R18vg==">; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:59:19 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H3DWGPYY; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:59:19 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:29:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? Message-ID: <20030623.152902.-237132987.3.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,8-13,15-35,37-45 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Nicole, Although the brim on the hat may be a tad wide-ish, the dress is clearly based on designs from the early/mid 1860's. It looks like they are adding to their Civil War era collection again. If it's by Martha McCain, then the design is probably pretty good as the rest of the ones she has done have been models of authenticity (considering they are coming from a large commercial pattern co. and not a small specialist). Karen On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:12:48 +0100 (BST) =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= writes: > I just surfed through new patterns (looking for a nice new wide > trouser > pattern) and came across the new simplicity catalogue. Could anyone > tell me > wich period the following pattern is supposed to be? > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpg > > Cheers! > > Nicole > > ===== > Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can > you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in > judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 17:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLoFHP007546 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLmQUw019458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLmPSX015455; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NL1uSX007046 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id AAC3340400; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:01:55 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c339ca$ada49f90$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005001c338be$993cb4a0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I swear I sent that Saturday morning! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:03 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! I doubt it was for "just" those two dresses- all the stuff you have shared with us looks really good to me! Congratulations (or as we say in Ansteorra )"Vivat!" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] I got an award of arms! Ok, very quick post to say I got my burgundian finished (to wear, seams etc still wanting to be hand finished;) ) and that with my Elizabeth gown and Mary of Hungary gown got me an Award of Arms... and it's just fortunate that I chose an sca name this week;) So... photos tomorrow but I just had to share my excitement;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 17:50:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLogHP007550 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLkAUw018887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLk2SX013487; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www19.networkshosting.com (www19.networkshosting.com [66.96.128.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5NKrUap029606 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5825 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 20:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO costumepress.com) (67.31.141.57) by www19.fatcow.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 20:45:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF768C2.E94DA06A@costumepress.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:53:23 -0600 From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposedto be? References: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 1850s, but it could be used through the 1860s if not interpreted as "current" fashion. MD/Marged N Kipar wrote: > Could anyone tell me which period the following pattern is supposed to be? > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpgg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 18:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NMWlHP007677 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NMP2Ze026036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NMFYKc006623; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NLZnSY004921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h5NLZnFv004916 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:35:49 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? Message-ID: <20030623213548.GL5017@net.indra.com> References: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpg It says American Civil War to me, circa 1860-1870, by way of "Gone With the Wind", but it's not my specialty. ...eliz -- Please allow up to 3 weeks for delivery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 19:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNHDHP007792 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNFOUw002579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNFMsf018317; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NMcQKc024292 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net (h-68-164-131-246.lsanca54.covad.net[68.164.131.246]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20030623223820113001vuaee> (Authid: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:38:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030623152552.00a561d0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:38:13 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200306232149.h5NLnBSY016017@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re :Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:49 PM 6/23/2003, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:12:48 +0100 (BST) >From: N Kipar >Subject: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new > pattern is supposed to be? >To: H-Costume >Message-ID: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I just surfed through new patterns (looking for a nice new wide trouser >pattern) and came across the new simplicity catalogue. Could anyone tell me >wich period the following pattern is supposed to be? > >http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpg > >Cheers! The notes in the pattern book claim the dress is 1862 to 1865, calling it a Civil War Summer dress. I'm kind of skeptical. It's closer ti 1850's, but even at that it misses in a few places. The bodice is pretty good, but there's this gather thing at the center back waist, and the skirt has this single huge ruffle at the knee. Like the prarie skirts from the 1970's? It's not the tiered skirt effect like from the 1850's, but a single ruffle falling from knee length to the ground. It feels like someone slipped up on this pattern. Odd, because all the other Martha McCain patterns have been pretty dead on accurate. Here's a link to a picture of the entire dress: http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=7967&design=5442 Another thing I find odd is that they've got the sash being worn both ways. Frontways doesn't seem right to me, for the 1860's. This whole pattern seems off, to me Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 19:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNHxHP007796 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNGDUw002704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNGCsf018851; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5NMeuKc026217 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1309 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 22:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail2.inreach.com) (209.142.2.51) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 22:40:55 -0000 Received: from 162.119.64.111 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <36861.162.119.64.111.1056408055.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] new website on Smithsonian's collection From: To: In-Reply-To: <3EF5124A.2090401@comcast.net> References: <3EF5124A.2090401@comcast.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, not all the collection... but I just noticed today that the Museum > of American History has added a page to their website recently with > pictures and information on a fair number of the dresses in their > collection. http://americanhistory2.si.edu/costume/ (you can get there > through www.si.edu and follow the links to the museum... there's a link > on the front page right now) This is so cool!! I have been wanting to become more familiar with the different textiles that were prevalent from each period and this should help me alot! Thanks for sharing! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 20:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0HvHP007978 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0G5Uw009341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0G4po003525; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5NNGisf019181 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net ([67.124.118.61]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HGY0014RJBUHJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:14:27 -0700 From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? In-reply-to: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030623160425.00b29b98@pop.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:12 AM 6/23/2003 +0100, Nicole wrote: >Could anyone tell me >wich period the following pattern is supposed to be? > >http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5444/5444.jpg > >Cheers! Hi Nicole! That particular pattern is for the hat and the wrap, which appears to be from the June 1855 issue of Godey's. The dress underneath is probably from the same period; I put a mental block on it because I detest the ruffles that go around the neck and down the front. And yes, this is another of Martha McCain's patterns. Note to everyone--the next time you're in the fabric store, check out the Spring/Summer Simplicity Costume and Crafts Catalog. There's a photo of an absolutely stunning rendition of the 1862 Day Dress (#7212) in plaid taffeta (and I think it's silk taffeta). Simplicity seems to have gotten the clue--show the patterns done in the fabrics historical costumers would use, and you sell more patterns. Now if only the fabric stores would start carrying the fabrics... Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 20:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0mDHP008044 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0kOUw012134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0kMpo019036; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O0ACpo000203 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 556C110EF3E for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fe01c339e4$f6de33f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c337ff$40f51ea0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: I got an award of arms! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:10:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sometimes this is because you've done Good Things, sometimes > it's because someone else has written a letter of recommendation (my > entire local group was in on a plot to get me mine, which was a bit > embarrassing!). I received mine for making hand-painted canvas floor cloths to go in front of the thrones of the Royalty of the East. They had been on the Royal wish list for ages, and they were fun to make! > > One's first award is often a very cherished memory, so this one means > a lot to many SCA members. Also in most kingdoms you get some sort of > nifty hand-illuminated certificate with it (sometimes, but not > always, hand-calligraphed as well). Mine is lovely--and it was illuminated and calligraphed by a dear friend, Lady Ysabella du Draguignan. It's in a temporary frame on my living room wall. I had to get it up right away, there are just too many short people with dirty hands running about my house! Laurensa > -- > > "Lady Christian de Holacombe," a.k.a. > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1E7HP008142 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1B4Uw014222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1B3jD001330; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O12QjD027086 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a243.in-tch.com [66.62.107.43]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h5O0hWf07255 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3EF7A383.C3743F75@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:04:03 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test References: <000201c33834$8151c360$6401a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We're probably all deep into page-whatever of the newest Harry Potter..... I finished mine Saturday. Now I can go back to my various needlework and costuming projects, and find a new place to live! (I hate moving....blech!) --sue Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Is anyone out there? I don't think I have ever seen the list this quiet > unless there is something wrong.. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:16:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1G9HP008155 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:16:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1EOUw014545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1ENjD002868; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1ELjD002837 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-004-210.jps.net ([216.119.4.210] helo=pavilion) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19UcO4-0000e0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:14:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:29:38 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5O1G9HP008155 Status: RO I am seeking some protocol advice from those of you with costume sites, or just those in the know about current correct etiquette. I am wishing to create links, of course, to websites with related subject matters that I am writing about. These days, does one send a courtesy email requesting permission to link to a site? Or does one just create a link, or perhaps create a link and send a FYI email to the site owner advising them of the link. Some sites address this, and give permission in the first instance and even go so far as to say permission is given and don't bother me with your advice. One even stated, if you ask then permission will be denied, but go ahead if you don't bother me. I can imagine museum sites etc would get bogged down with link advice email. What about deep linking? Is it only polite to link to a home page? In some cases, the desired page might just be too hard to find, I'd have to give navigation instructions too. Thanks for all your help Lisa Sinervo Threadneedle St. Clothiers www.ThreadneedleSt.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:31:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1VnHP008213 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1TsUw015994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1TrjD011167; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from joplin.siteprotect.com (joplin.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1TojD011129 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from GENTEELARTS (user218.net630.oh.sprint-hsd.net [65.41.51.218]) by joplin.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5O1Tjm22662 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:29:45 -0500 From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re :Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c339f0$15a64ba0$0200a8c0@GENTEELARTS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030623152552.00a561d0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I've probably looked at 500+ dresses from this era and have notes and/or photographs on approximately 50+ sheer dresses documented between 1855-1865 and the cut of this dress is identical to several of them dated from the c.1858-1864. The "huge gather thing" you mentioned can be found on many gathered bodice dresses from the Civil War era, whether they are made from a sheer fabric, wool, or cotton. I have not found it as common on silk dresses. The ruffled skirt is not quite as common but I can document it to at least a dozen dresses from the same period. The front sash is a little more common in the late 1850s and early 1860s, moving to the back about the middle of the decade. However, it could be worn either way. Overall I found the pattern to be very good. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 5-7, 2004 Julie wrote: The notes in the pattern book claim the dress is 1862 to 1865, calling it a Civil War Summer dress. I'm kind of skeptical. It's closer ti 1850's, but even at that it misses in a few places. The bodice is pretty good, but there's this gather thing at the center back waist, and the skirt has this single huge ruffle at the knee. Like the prarie skirts from the 1970's? It's not the tiered skirt effect like from the 1850's, but a single ruffle falling from knee length to the ground. It feels like someone slipped up on this pattern. Odd, because all the other Martha McCain patterns have been pretty dead on accurate. Here's a link to a picture of the entire dress: http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=7967&design=5442 Another thing I find odd is that they've got the sash being worn both ways. Frontways doesn't seem right to me, for the 1860's. This whole pattern seems off, to me Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1XLHP008220 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1VVUw016169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1VUjD011944; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1VSjD011909 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-013scfairp0376.dialsprint.net ([63.183.129.122] helo=faucet.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Uced-0002rV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:31:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF7B767.5000001@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:28:55 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites References: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it's very polite of you to ask. Though I can only speak for myself, as a site owner I'm happy for anyone to link to any page of my site, as they all have links back to the home page. Getting an FYI mail is also nice. What I don't like is when people take images from my site and post them on their own sites without asking--even when the image is attributed. I've found pictures of me in my Elizabethan underthings, for goodness' sake, on someone else's site. While they did list my site address along-side, it would have been nice if they had asked permission. I would imagine, though I don't know of course, that museum sites would be happy for you to link to pages within their sites, as that increases their exposure. All pages usually have a link to the homepage. What might be objectionable is if you link directly to an image, such that the image is presented without any link to the originating page. That's only my supposition, however. I'm sure other site owners on the list will have much to say on this topic. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1bkHP008238 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1a1Uw016562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1a0jD014137; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.16.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1ZujE014054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-12.sonic.net [209.148.115.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5O1ZHoD029777 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:35:50 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030623182501.00ae9cf0@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:37:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites In-Reply-To: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:29 PM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I am seeking some protocol advice from those of you with costume sites, or >just those in the know about current correct etiquette. I am wishing to >create links, of course, to websites with related subject matters that I >am writing about. These days, does one send a courtesy email requesting >permission to link to a site? Or does one just create a link, or perhaps >create a link and send a FYI email to the site owner advising them of the link. Usually people do not object to a link to their main page. Unless your website is one many people would not want to be associated with, for some reason that's probably obvious. Like, you have a porn site or advocate terrorism or something like that. So, it is also usually common to not ask permission to set up such a link. Whether it is a courtesy to inform someone depends on whether you think they'd be glad to know, or just impatient at getting yet more email. Deep links are another story. They can confuse your readers as to whether the page is on your site or someone else's. I've even seen deep links used this way intentionally, as a way to avoid writing original material or hosting images. Most people don't want you using their material to enhance your own site, whether that is really your intention or not. Furthermore it can create a lot of extra bandwidth use on their site without ever getting readers to their main page to see who they are and what they offer. So, if you want to deep link I'd recommend asking permission first. On the other hand, if a site gives some protocol for people to follow when linking to them, that's how to deal with links to that particular site. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 21:42:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1ghHP008254 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1evUw017066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1eujD016486; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O1eqjD016443 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.102] (pm4-102.eos.net [205.133.149.102]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29281 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:40:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:35:17 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306232149.h5NLnBSY016017@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: michaela's new gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela: First, congratulations on your award. And second, congratulations on the gown! It is so lovely! It is exactly what I want to have ... though I don't think I am as good a seamstress as you are. You said on your site that you are writing an article about it. Will that be for your site or for something else? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 22:23:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O2NVHP008357 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:23:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O26VUw019733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O26Ujd029669; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O26Qjd029646 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asv16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.170]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) h5O25MG7023811 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:06:28 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] new website on Smithsonian's collection To: Historical Costume Message-id: <3EF7B224.CE809E72@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EF5124A.2090401@comcast.net> <36861.162.119.64.111.1056408055.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another really cool thing this site does is that, as far as I can tell with a brief perusal, it shows the front, SIDE, AND BACK!!! this is SO amazing. Not my period, but just too cool as so many places seem to just show the front. I live in NY now, and was real excited to get to see the Met's Costume Colleect but when I got to the display area, I was quite disopointed with how impossible it was to see backs and sides on many of the outfits. I have also been disapointed in the periods thave shown while I have been there also...but that is another story altogether. Cool site, thanks for the link! jordana dch@inreach.com wrote: > > > Ok, not all the collection... but I just noticed today that the Museum > > of American History has added a page to their website recently with > > pictures and information on a fair number of the dresses in their > > collection. http://americanhistory2.si.edu/costume/ (you can get there > > through www.si.edu and follow the links to the museum... there's a link > > on the front page right now) > > This is so cool!! I have been wanting to become more familiar with the > different textiles that were prevalent from each period and this should > help me alot! > > Thanks for sharing! > > Diana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 23 22:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O2fgHP008380 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O2OnUw021100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O2Omjd007338; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5O2Oijd007302 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-119-194-117.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.119.194.117 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <008e01c339f7$c6136110$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:24:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've always understood the etiquette to be that it's fine to link to just about anything provided you A) identify on your site that the person is going to an external link (not a page on your own site) and B) the page you link to includes some kind of identification of the overall site it's from (eg in deep linking). However, this can be a problem with frame sites and sites that use complicated scripting -- I have a directory on my site that links to photos of historic garments on museum sites, and some of them I can't link to without linking directly to the image. I think in general, as long as you're linking and not stealing (taking someone's content or images and publishing them on your own site), you're doing okay. I would think it was unnecessary if someone emailed me asking for permission to link to my site. Very polite, but uncessary! - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 00:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O4ahHP008729 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O4JRUw002079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O4JPac009723; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law9-f73.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O4JMac009638 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:19:17 -0700 Received: from 129.244.252.10 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 04:19:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.252.10] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:19:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2003 04:19:17.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[C71B40E0:01C33A07] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is my understanding as well. Linking to me follows the same basic rules as citation - make it clear that you aren't claiming the information as yours. And asking for permission is nice but not necessary. However, linking without identifying that you are doing so is close to plagiarism. I will say that some people disagree and will get cranky if they aren't asked. This is their prerogative, however I will say that linking to a site actually HELPS that sites credibility on some web browsers. Marc >From: "Kendra Van Cleave" >I've always understood the etiquette to be that it's fine to link to just >about anything provided you A) identify on your site that the person is >going to an external link (not a page on your own site) and B) the page you >link to includes some kind of identification of the overall site it's from >(eg in deep linking). However, this can be a problem with frame sites and >sites that use complicated scripting -- I have a directory on my site that >links to photos of historic garments on museum sites, and some of them I >can't link to without linking directly to the image. > >I think in general, as long as you're linking and not stealing (taking >someone's content or images and publishing them on your own site), you're >doing okay. > >I would think it was unnecessary if someone emailed me asking for >permission >to link to my site. Very polite, but uncessary! > >- Kendra >http://demode.tweedlebop.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 03:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7GRHP003657 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:16:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7ESUw015591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7ENNx007284; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5O7ELNx007234 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030624071416.97936.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:14:16 BST Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:14:16 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EF7B767.5000001@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personally, I am annoyed when I am being asked, because frankly I don't have the time nor energy to answer emails that are unnecessary. It's extra polite, granted, but my very own personal feeling is: oh no! please do and don't bother me! No offense meant to anyone who ever contacted me/thought of contacting, and might not have received an answer or a three letter one a la 'yes'. It's just me. :-) Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 03:22:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7MiHP004794 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7L1Uw015881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7L0Nx010066; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5O7KvNx009988 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030624072052.98866.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:20:52 BST Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3EF7A383.C3743F75@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > We're probably all deep into page-whatever of the newest Harry > Potter..... Nope, because I am totally unimpressed by J'K Rowling's writing. However, I DO appreciate VERY muchly the looks of Lucius Malfoy in the film... *stares doe-eyed at pix* ;-) Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 03:31:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7VMHP007171 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:31:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7TbUw016357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7TZNx013681; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5O7TXNx013619 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030624072928.96702.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:29:28 BST Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:29:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is supposed to be? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030623081248.62818.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you to everybody who has come up with answers, and may I say most helpful ones at that. I think I might make the wrap, for my totally ecentric lost-her-marbles utterly decades-out-fashion persona. ;-) Cheers! Nicole ===== Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 03:58:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7wnHP020782 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7v4Uw017758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7v3vk025039; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5O7v0vk025018 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p5-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.207.133] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Uifh-0007kF-00; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:56:57 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF8044B.2090404@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:56:59 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: michaela's new gown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > First, congratulations on your award. And second, congratulations on the > gown! It is so lovely! It is exactly what I want to have ... though I don't > think I am as good a seamstress as you are. You said on your site that you > are writing an article about it. Will that be for your site or for something > else? Thank you:) And Thank you:) I'm not too sure about where i;ll be putting my article.. I may make a pdf file of it so people can't just go copy and paste from my site;) Or I may do a section by section piece and upload it in installments:) I've just uploaded some piccies of the houppelande I made for someone else for the same event... so really i had five peices of garb that I made over the weekend;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 09:04:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OD4mHP012760 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OD1cUw009028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OD1aWc011675; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OD1XWc011597 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.99.96.216]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030624130128.LFNS13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:01:28 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:03:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c33a51$15393ae0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Bacteria Restores Ancient Italian Frescoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is such a cool story! Imagine how different the frescoes must look now that they are cleaned. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030616/bacteriaart.html ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 09:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ODWMHP012791 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ODTHUw012346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ODTFWc026774; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ODTAWc026727 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-001dcwashp0008.dialsprint.net ([63.188.0.8] helo=DF1HCJ11) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19UnrB-0007TE-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c33a54$99330f30$0800bc3f@DF1HCJ11> From: "Maryann Calvert" To: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:29:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 14c36d25b68b7c740ac2c6b81153bf749ef193a6bfc3dd4835dfa7cc3ea474180e08cbcb529c182a60db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] AoA's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5ODWMHP012791 Status: RO To our 3 new Ladies of The Realm; VIVAT! VIVAT! VIVAT! Maryann aka: Miriam Calvert of Gidiehall-on-Honibourne Canton of Sudentur Barony of Stierbach _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 10:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OEFXHP012867 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OECWUw016564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OECU3U021380; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OEAW3U020137 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.12f.2d07e678 (17526) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.2d07e678.2c29b5ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:10:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re :Does anyone know which year (decade) this new pattern is sup... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/23/2003 7:16:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: > The bodice is pretty good, but > there's this gather thing at the center back waist, and the skirt has this > single huge ruffle at the knee. Like the prarie skirts from the 1970's? > It's not the tiered skirt effect like from the 1850's, but a single ruffle > falling from knee length to the ground. It feels like someone slipped up on > this pattern. Odd, because all the other Martha McCain patterns have been > pretty dead on accurate. > I don't see any of this really. The sleeves and straight waist make it more 1860s than anything else but all the other details, fan front and skirt ruffle, are not exclusive to 1850s or rare in the 1860s. I'd think an 1850s version of this dress would have bell sleeves and a pointed waist. The skirt ruffle is common throughout the century. So IMHO it's not bad for 1860s. Just DON"T make a matchy-matchy mantle and hat out of the same material...YUK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 10:30:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OEUMHP012899 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OERFUw017981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OERE3U000449; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OERA3U000414 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-007-030.jps.net ([216.119.7.30] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19UolJ-0000JY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:27:10 -0700 Message-ID: <00b101c33a5e$d8de73e0$1e0777d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> <008e01c339f7$c6136110$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:42:31 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for all your thoughts on linking. I wasn't sure if "deep linking" referred only to linking to an image, which I completely understand, or to an interior page of a website. If someone only wanted a link to their home page, I might give them a miss altogether to save giving my viewer navigation instructions through someone else's site. Linking to an interior page that contains a home button seems reasonable to me. Since most of my links will be accompany information I have written about, not a "links page", the site is going to be a bit more "web news style" than an academic essay format, I was somewhat concerned about the issue of "name dropping" when using links, but then the source of the link needs to be clearly identified. Well, I shall do my best and remember you can't please everyone. I think I shall link and send a courtesy FYI. Thanks again for taking the time to answer this question! And for all those great websites you've created to link to!!! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites > I've always understood the etiquette to be that it's fine to link to just > about anything provided you A) identify on your site that the person is > going to an external link (not a page on your own site) and B) the page you > link to includes some kind of identification of the overall site it's from > (eg in deep linking). However, this can be a problem with frame sites and > sites that use complicated scripting -- I have a directory on my site that > links to photos of historic garments on museum sites, and some of them I > can't link to without linking directly to the image. > > I think in general, as long as you're linking and not stealing (taking > someone's content or images and publishing them on your own site), you're > doing okay. > > I would think it was unnecessary if someone emailed me asking for permission > to link to my site. Very polite, but uncessary! > > - Kendra > http://demode.tweedlebop.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 14:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OINoHP013819 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OIKdUw015334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OIKZBN006726; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OIKVBN006670 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19UsP8-000F2V-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:20:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:38:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) References: <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> In-Reply-To: <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not getting any links to pictures of looms in this thread, so I may be talking about the wrong thing. But what I think of as an inkle loom has various horizontal bars or pegs that you can wind the warp around in zig-zag patterns to get a lot of length in a short space. I have a much simpler frame which is just a board with two upright posts, one at either end, about six inches high. I wind the warp around them as many times as it needs (three lengths is practical - more is difficult) and just have to re-fix it when I get from one post to the other. When I'm weaving at events, I'm careful to tell punters that there's no evidence they used such a thing, but it's so much more practical than being tied to a post. I'm often doing it while keeping an eye on the camp during the big battle, so I need to be able to jump up quickly. Jean Betsy Marshall wrote >I find myself interested in what >you would suggest as an alternative? >Betsy > > > >A tiny, slightly OT grump: I really wish those little >lap style inkle looms would fall out of fashion in the >SCA forever. They are not even close to anything of >the period; the original inkle loom of this type was >designed by Everett Gilmore (the guy who built my >floor loom) in the 1930s. > >Dawn > >===== >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 14:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OIR4HP013828 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:27:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OINqUw015701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OINpBN009341; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OIKVBN006669 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19UsP8-000F2W-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:20:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:40:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny or not? References: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could you explain a bit more - is the mangle used to do the calendering (with very smooth rollers?) or is it another part of a several-stage process? Jean Lisa Sinervo wrote >Yes, callendering is used to produce a sheen. Pressure on the fabric makes >the surface more compact & smooth and this changes the way it reflects >light, thus producing shininess. > >Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:59 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny or not? > > >> ~The Venetians (and probably other Italians) introduced >> ~the use of mangles in the calendering process >> ~(calendering is similar to ironing, but imparts a >> ~smooth and, if desired, shiny surface to the material >> ~being processed). >> >> Does anyone know if this is required or would increase the shininess of >> silk? >> >> Sg >> (who is again bemoaning the fact that she chose mechanical over textiles >> engineering, kick, grumble, spit!) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 16:01:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OK1DHP014151 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OJw6Uw026792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OJw2IP026014; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OJw0IP025973 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HH000GDO4SMJL@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:48:23 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen In-reply-to: <090201c337ad$6054dcb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030624124637.02e337c0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:27 PM 6/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >It may have something to do with the amount of time and the method, then. I >use a big ole plastic vat (~50 gallons? not sure exactly) for all my dyeing, >etc, projects. In order to yellow the linen, here's what I've done in the >past. I am wondering, what is the color of your big plastic vat? I was pondering if the bleach may be leaching something from the vat that is making the color of your linen so brightly yellow. The other thought... American's use bleach that has blueing in it, and the Japanese have a yellow color to their bleach. Where do you live? Maybe that might be a factor. Just some thoughts... Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 16:19:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKJAHP014189 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKG5Uw028758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKG2IP010960; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net (lakemtao05.cox.net [68.1.17.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKFwIP010841 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from compaqub ([68.1.234.199]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030624201553.QTAC28938.lakemtao05.cox.net@compaqub> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: <099901c33a8d$6c5d7610$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030624124637.02e337c0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:15:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's clear, and I'm in the US; the yellowing happens no matter what color the linen is (and it yellows darker than the original color, for light colors) and it occured when I used other vats, and in ceramics as well. I've never done it with a washing machine, because I don't have one! Honestly, I'm surprised no one else has had this experience on this list--I've heard similar experiences all over the place elsewhere. E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 16:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKQkHP014207 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:26:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKNkUw029801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKNjIP017487; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx01.supplyguys.net ([65.115.27.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKNeIQ017369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12359 invoked by uid 89); 24 Jun 2003 20:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vivid.net) (209.206.17.25) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 20:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF8B343.4A2C994C@vivid.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:23:35 -0400 From: Wendy Colbert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> <099901c33a8d$6c5d7610$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you on City water or well water? It is possible that minerals in your water are the explanation. Wendy E House wrote: > > It's clear, and I'm in the US; the yellowing happens no matter what color > the linen is (and it yellows darker than the original color, for light > colors) and it occured when I used other vats, and in ceramics as well. I've > never done it with a washing machine, because I don't have one! > > Honestly, I'm surprised no one else has had this experience on this > list--I've heard similar experiences all over the place elsewhere. > > E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 16:49:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKnAHP014266 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKk6Uw002760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKk4IP004759; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5OKjvIP004653 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-118-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.118.61])h5OKjNSJ026958 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:45:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030624133444.00b29de8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:43:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:38 PM 6/23/2003 +0100, Jean wrote: > I'm not getting any links to pictures of looms in this thread, so I may > be talking about the wrong thing. But what I think of as an inkle loom > has various horizontal bars or pegs that you can wind the warp around in > zig-zag patterns to get a lot of length in a short space. I have a much > simpler frame which is just a board with two upright posts, one at either > end, about six inches high. I wind the warp around them as many times as > it needs (three lengths is practical - more is difficult) and just have > to re-fix it when I get from one post to the other. When I'm weaving at > events, I'm careful to tell punters that there's no evidence they used > such a thing, but it's so much more practical than being tied to a > post. I'm often doing it while keeping an eye on the camp during the big > battle, so I need to be able to jump up quickly. > >Jean Yes, the first thing you describe sounds like a lap/tabletop inkle loom. I'm curious about your "board with 2 upright posts"; it sounds similar to a warping board, and I'm curious how you weave on it. >Betsy Marshall wrote >>I find myself interested in what >>you would suggest as an alternative? >>Betsy How about an English type inkle loom? There are plans for one in Byways in Hand-Weaving by Mary Meigs Atwater, along with instructions on how to do inkle weaving, tablet weaving, twined weaving, braiding, knotting, and plaiting. I'm a little surprised that this book is not mentioned more often when people are starting to learn different historic weaving techniques. Published in 1954 and still in print (AFAIK), it's a good basic book for any weaver's library. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 19:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONEVHP014585 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONBRUw019711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONBNaO003427; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtai04.cox.net (lakemtai04.cox.net [68.1.17.251]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONBJaO003322 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.99.96.216]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030624223720.RGJH13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:37:20 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c33aa1$851509c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all~ I was looking for information about sprang, and found this very interesting page. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this: http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml What and where is the Salado culture? Does anyone live near the U of Arizona, and maybe has seen this and can tell us more about it? Thanks for your help, ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 19:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONWxHP014602 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONTwUw021663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONTuaO016182; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONTsaP016153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) ESMTP id h5ONTrkI025565 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:29:53 -0700 Received: from UROPORTABLE ([140.107.243.106])h5ONTr48017478 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: <031e01c33aa8$89503e40$6af36b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c33aa1$851509c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:30:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Salt River used to run through Arizona. I believe the native people that lived along it were the Salado people. If nobody on the list knows for sure you should write to the museum, they would certainly respond. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic > Hi all~ > I was looking for information about sprang, and found this very > interesting page. > I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this: > > http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml > > What and where is the Salado culture? Does anyone live near the U of > Arizona, and maybe has seen this and can tell us more about it? > > Thanks for your help, > > ::Linda:: > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 19:37:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONb4HP014615 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONXvUw022043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONXpaO018846; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5ONXlaO018725 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Ojyh/1p8sB37J7HVYXBH2xk=">; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:32:54 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H3GRNMKT; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:32:54 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:31:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Message-ID: <20030624.163154.900.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Were there such garments in Europe? I know they did sock and hats, but I've never heard of tunics before. Arlys > http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 19:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONr9HP014651 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:53:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONo5Uw023738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONo3aO028820; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ONo1aO028757 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.99.96.216]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030624234954.PYDN8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:54 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:52:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c33aab$ac379bd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20030624.163154.900.3.Cley@juno.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, all the info I've ever heard *was* in a European context. I was quite surprised to see the location and date of this "tunic". I think I need to break down and buy that Collingwood sprang book soon... ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Were there such garments in Europe? I know they did sock and hats, but I've never heard of tunics before. Arlys > http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 20:27:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0RRHP014723 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:27:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0ONUw026807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0OM03018940; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0OI03018903 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5P0OTjp004289 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF8EAED.60007@misc.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:21:01 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011022 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic References: <000001c33aa1$851509c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO to LInda- I "googled" your query about the Salado culture and found some very informative sites: http://www.beloit.edu/~museum/logan/southwest/salado/introduction.htm http://www.nps.gov/tont/culture/salado.htm http://www.azsilver.com/spiritkeep/NewFiles/saladohistory.html Hope this sheds some light, THeresa Eacker Linda Rice wrote: > Hi all~ > I was looking for information about sprang, and found this very > interesting page. > I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this: > > http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml > > What and where is the Salado culture? Does anyone live near the U of > Arizona, and maybe has seen this and can tell us more about it? > > Thanks for your help, > > ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 20:41:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0fgHP014751 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cdUw027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cb03026998; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cU03026883 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5P0cTHm005204 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.48] (tnt-1-112.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.48]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cOg8005133 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c33aa1$851509c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> References: <000001c33aa1$851509c0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:35:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 6:39 PM -0400 6/24/03, Linda Rice wrote: >Hi all~ >I was looking for information about sprang, and found this very >interesting page. >I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this: > >http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/coll/peris2.shtml > > What and where is the Salado culture? The description at the bottom of the page says: Culture: Salado Dates: ca. AD 1300-1450 Location: Tonto-Roosevelt Basin, central AZ Material: cotton The exact phrase "Salado culture" in Google seems to turn up a number of sites with general background information and history. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 20:42:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0g4HP014754 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0d5Uw027977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0d203027290; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cX03026947 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5P0cWHm005234 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.48] (tnt-1-112.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.48]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P0cOgA005133 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c33aab$ac379bd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> References: <000e01c33aab$ac379bd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:38:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:52 PM -0400 6/24/03, Linda Rice wrote: >Actually, all the info I've ever heard *was* in a European context. I >was quite surprised to see the location and date of this "tunic". > >I think I need to break down and buy that Collingwood sprang book >soon... There's a lot of sprang historically from Central and South America -- Collingwood covers both the Old and New World traditions, which have to have been completely independent inventions. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 22:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2GJHP014990 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2DGUw007344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2DDIa019053; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2DBIa019036 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-9-50.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.50] helo=pavilion) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19UzmX-0005pP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c33ac1$7957c440$320977d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny ornot? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:28:31 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Calendering and using a mangle are one in the same, to my knowledge anyway. I've posted a scan of a commercial calender at http://www.threadneedlest.com/calendering.cfm I'll be taking it down shortly. It's from an old 1975 text book on Textiles called Textiles: Fiber to Fabric" by Corbman. I picked it up on ebay for for a steal plus shipping. It's handy to have around and I'd recommend anyone interested in costuming to at least have a look at an introductory textiles book if they at all have the time. Like a mangle, a calender has at least one smooth steel roll and usually if not always one soft roll made of wool, cotton or cotton and corn husks. The fabric passes between the two rolls in a space called a nip. The text states that fabric is passed through the nip at an average rate of 150 yards per minute under pressure of 40 to 60 tons, and sometimes as much as 100 tons. After passing through the calender, the fabric is wound up on the back of the machine. There is another type of calender that is used to produce glazed finishes. This one has a similar set up but the gears are set so that the hot steel drums roll faster than the fabric that is passing through the nip. This creates friction and produces a glazed finish. An application of starch, glue, mucilage or shellac is often preceded by friction calendering. There is also a process called schreinering which uses a calender with small lines etched into the steel roller. When cheap cotton fabric is passed through this machine, miniscule ridges (125 to 600 per inch) are impressed in the fabric causing light to reflect off of it making the fabric appear lustrous. Unfortunately, these ridges disappear after you wash the garment a few times. Another reason cheap clothes look so much better at the shop then they do after you wear them a few times. I'd be most interested in hearing about the Venitian reference for calendering. I'd not heard about that. Please tell me more and where this info popped up. rgds, Lisa fyi - Main Entry: mu·ci·lage Pronunciation: 'myü-s(&-)lij Function: noun Etymology: Middle English muscilage, from Late Latin mucilago mucus, musty juice, from Latin mucus Date: 15th century 1 : a gelatinous substance of various plants (as legumes or seaweeds) that contains protein and polysaccharides and is similar to plant gums 2 : an aqueous usually viscid solution (as of a gum) used especially as an adhesive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny ornot? > Could you explain a bit more - is the mangle used to do the calendering > (with very smooth rollers?) or is it another part of a several-stage > process? > > Jean > > > Lisa Sinervo wrote > >Yes, callendering is used to produce a sheen. Pressure on the fabric makes > >the surface more compact & smooth and this changes the way it reflects > >light, thus producing shininess. > > > >Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 22:38:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2cfHP015024 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:38:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2ZZUw008980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2ZYIa028966; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2ZTIa028906 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-9-50.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.50] helo=pavilion) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19V088-0002tQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c33ac4$972b3c60$320977d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> <3EF7B767.5000001@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:50:50 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This made me giggle. No, I don't think I would appreciate it either. But if these are the photos you are refering to http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/under.html (your site) I can understand why they were pinched. Very nice work and photos too! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" > > What I don't like is when people take images from my site and post them > on their own sites without asking--even when the image is attributed. > I've found pictures of me in my Elizabethan underthings, for goodness' > sake, on someone else's site. While they did list my site address > along-side, it would have been nice if they had asked permission. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 22:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2oUHP015052 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:50:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2lRUw009889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2lPIa004983; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop2b.ripco.com (root@pop2b.ripco.com [209.100.227.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P2lNIa004977 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ripco.com (tcr171.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.171]) by pop2b.ripco.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h5P2lSP19728 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:47:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EF90D2F.4080401@ripco.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:47:11 -0500 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200306250236.h5P2ZuIc029154@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] yellowing linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:15:54 -0500 From: "E House" -It's clear, and I'm in the US; the yellowing happens no matter what -color the linen is (and it yellows darker than the original color, for -light colors) and it occured when I used other vats, and in ceramics as -well. I've never done it with a washing machine, because I don't have -one! Hmm - I use a machine, but I have never had linen yellow on me. Silk, yes, but not linen. I even have some linen that was a really pale rose color (probably accidental) and was able to bleach it out. Petticoat is 6 yrs old and doing fine. I had a linen chemise that I bleached regularly and it lasted 5 years, and I am HARD on my faire clothes (9-22 weekends per year) who knows.... Wendy hot and sweaty in Chicago, IL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 24 23:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3UjHP015242 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3P4Uw012772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3P2nY022896; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stanford.loosefoot.com (stanford.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3OunY022805 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bernie.loosefoot.com (bernie.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.243]) by stanford.loosefoot.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 340B616CAB6 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:24:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11603 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mabion.spublofe.com) (12.246.76.5) by bernie.loosefoot.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:24:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624201656.00a37480@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: mabse/spublofe.com@pop3.lfchosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:23:45 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200306250236.h5P2ZuIc029154@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Melanie's underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO okay, it prompted me to go look at you in your underwear again (not a phrase I use very often). You mention that you used half inch steel boning in the corset. How did that work out? I bought some and then read about them twisting. I am assuming that the twisting would be from the boning channels being too large. I asked Margo Anderson and she said that she thought that if you used them in a channel that was on the diagonal that that could cause them to twist. So my question is: how did they work for you? maryann At 08:36 PM 6/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: >From: "Melanie Schuessler" > > > > What I don't like is when people take images from my site and post them > > on their own sites without asking--even when the image is attributed. > > I've found pictures of me in my Elizabethan underthings, for goodness' > > sake, on someone else's site. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 00:01:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P41THP015513 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:01:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3wSUw016643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3wQ3M012222; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P3wK3M012171 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-005scfairp0101.dialsprint.net ([63.184.232.101] helo=faucet.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19V1QJ-0000J3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF92B4F.5070808@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:55:43 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melanie's underwear References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624201656.00a37480@pop3.lfchosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was somewhat taken aback by the subject line, but hey, I'm game! Let's talk about my underwear! :) MaryAnn Jones wrote: > okay, it prompted me to go look at you in your underwear again (not a > phrase I use very often). You mention that you used half inch steel > boning in the corset. How did that work out? I bought some and then > read about them twisting. I am assuming that the twisting would be from > the boning channels being too large. I asked Margo Anderson and she > said that she thought that if you used them in a channel that was on the > diagonal that that could cause them to twist. So my question is: how > did they work for you? They've never ever twisted. Of course, being an Elizabethan corset, all the boning channels are straight up and down, but I've never had a problem with flat steel twisting in the channels. Well, the boning itself cannot twist--it's just a flat piece of steel. I guess any twisting would be the fabric twisting around the bones, but I've never had that happen. I always make the channels just big enough to get the bones through. I guess I can imagine _spiral_ steel twisting, but I've never had a problem with that, either (in Victorian corsets that do have diagonal channels). Their drawback is that they're not accurate for Elizabethan corsets, but they work SO well. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 00:33:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4XbHP017123 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:33:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4UTUw019507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4URYp029613; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stanford.loosefoot.com (stanford.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4UOYp029566 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bernie.loosefoot.com (bernie.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.243]) by stanford.loosefoot.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C885A16132B for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:30:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 3413 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mabion.spublofe.com) (12.246.76.5) by bernie.loosefoot.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624212622.00a446e0@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: mabse/spublofe.com@pop3.lfchosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:29:13 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200306241802.h5OI2RBP022583@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] exhibit in LA X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw signs up that the Getty museum in Los Angeles has an exhibit on the Renaissance going on right now. Has anyone seen it? Is it worth going to see? I am thinking of taking a tour while I am down there for costume college. Maryann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 00:38:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4c2HP017136 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P42wUw017076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P42w3M014228; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P42s3M014184 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-005scfairp0101.dialsprint.net ([63.184.232.101] helo=faucet.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19V1Uj-0005ya-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF92C62.4080807@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:00:18 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites References: <002e01c339f0$14eb3900$d20477d8@pavilion> <3EF7B767.5000001@faucet.net> <000801c33ac4$972b3c60$320977d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa Sinervo wrote: > This made me giggle. No, I don't think I would appreciate it either. But > if these are the photos you are refering to > http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/under.html (your site) I can > understand why they were pinched. Very nice work and photos too! Thanks. Yes, that's it--the top one on the left, if I recall correctly. Like I said, they did put in the site address and credited it to me, but they didn't ask. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 00:41:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4fSHP017142 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:41:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4cJUw020089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4cIYp003700; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P4cFYp003663 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-025scfairp0071.dialsprint.net ([63.183.120.71] helo=faucet.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19V22x-0000st-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:38:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3EF934AB.5020700@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:35:39 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melanie's underwear References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624201656.00a37480@pop3.lfchosting.com> <3EF92B4F.5070808@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Upon reading this again, I realized I was unclear. When I said: > Their drawback is that they're not accurate for Elizabethan corsets, but > they work SO well. I was talking about flat steel (also called spring steel), not spiral steel. Spiral steel is of course also inaccurate for Elizabethan corsets, but I don't know why anyone would choose to use it in that context, so it's a moot point. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 02:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6HeHP023231 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:17:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6EYUw026263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6EUJu017860; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6ESJu017840 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HH000IUIXC128@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:04:56 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] exhibit in LA In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624212622.00a446e0@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030624225658.02e51a58@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200306241802.h5OI2RBP022583@net.indra.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:29 PM 6/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I saw signs up that the Getty museum in Los Angeles has an exhibit on the >Renaissance going on right now. Has anyone seen it? Is it worth going >to see? I am thinking of taking a tour while I am down there for costume >college. Maryann Looking at their web site: http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/flemish/home.html Illuminating the Renaissance: The Triumph of Flemish Manuscript Painting in Europe The web site is wonderful! There is a full image you can zoom in and get close ups on the ladies and their dresses. It is "Genealogical Tree of the Kings of Aragon", and wow you can see up close on the writings on one ladies purse. I have a friend who lives within a couple of miles of the museum. I may just do a tour as well. In the Zoom and Explore area, http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/flemish/zoom.html , there is a section on Fashion of the Times. Sweet! I have something to look at, and this isn't even my area of interest. Thanks for the heads up. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 02:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6umHP003681 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:56:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6rkUw028400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6rjJu003797; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P6rhJu003738 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-101-113.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.101.113]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AEQ56297; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:53:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <03ca01c33ae6$ab3e9400$a4664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030624.163154.900.3.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Were there such garments in Europe? I know they did sock and hats, but I've never heard of tunics before. There are finds of possible sleeves put these could be hose. It is thought possible to probably that there were tunics etc Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 03:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P79sHP008884 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:09:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P74wUw029032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P74vGa008197; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5P74rGa008159 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p615-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz) [203.173.194.107] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19V4Ko-00053S-00; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:04:51 +1200 Message-ID: <3EF94991.5050509@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:04:49 +1200 From: michaela User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] exhibit in LA References: <200306241802.h5OI2RBP022583@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030624225658.02e51a58@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030624225658.02e51a58@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In the Zoom and Explore area, > http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/flemish/zoom.html , there is a > section on Fashion of the Times. Sweet! I have something to look at, and > this isn't even my area of interest. It's a wonderful resourse, only I'm having so much trouble with my internet connection... Still perserverance will prevail;) Love all the pink in the Alexandra takes the hand of Roxanne:) michaela http://glittersweet.com clearly interested in this era;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:40:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEeMHP021431 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEZpUw001588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEZiat027050; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEZfat027016 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net ([67.124.118.61]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HH100583KHKTZ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:32:15 -0700 From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny ornot? In-reply-to: <000c01c33ac1$7957c440$320977d8@pavilion> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030625071611.00b29f10@pop.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 References: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:28 PM 6/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Calendering and using a mangle are one in the same, to my knowledge anyway. >I've posted a scan of a commercial calender at >http://www.threadneedlest.com/calendering.cfm I'll be taking it down >shortly. It's from an old 1975 text book on Textiles called Textiles: >Fiber to Fabric" by Corbman. I picked it up on ebay for for a steal plus >shipping. It's handy to have around and I'd recommend anyone interested in >costuming to at least have a look at an introductory textiles book if they >at all have the time. > >Like a mangle, a calender has at least one smooth steel roll and usually if >not always one soft roll made of wool, cotton or cotton and corn husks. The >fabric passes between the two rolls in a space called a nip. The text >states that fabric is passed through the nip at an average rate of 150 yards >per minute under pressure of 40 to 60 tons, and sometimes as much as 100 >tons. After passing through the calender, the fabric is wound up on the >back of the machine. > >There is another type of calender that is used to produce glazed finishes. >This one has a similar set up but the gears are set so that the hot steel >drums roll faster than the fabric that is passing through the nip. This >creates friction and produces a glazed finish. An application of starch, >glue, mucilage or shellac is often preceded by friction calendering. > >There is also a process called schreinering which uses a calender with small >lines etched into the steel roller. When cheap cotton fabric is passed >through this machine, miniscule ridges (125 to 600 per inch) are impressed >in the fabric causing light to reflect off of it making the fabric appear >lustrous. Unfortunately, these ridges disappear after you wash the garment >a few times. Another reason cheap clothes look so much better at the shop >then they do after you wear them a few times. > >I'd be most interested in hearing about the Venitian reference for >calendering. I'd not heard about that. Please tell me more and where this >info popped up. > >rgds, > >Lisa > Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry of Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000. pp. 196-198; p. 321 While I haven't had a chance to read the entire book yet, it appears to be a pretty thorough examination of the Venetian silk industry and (to a lesser extent) its role in international trade during the 15th through 17th centuries. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 10:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEeiHP021435 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:40:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEbYUw001734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PEbXat028065; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.156]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5PEbUat028040 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5955 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 14:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castlebooks) (208.1.140.126) by smtp-int-02.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 14:37:25 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c33b27$51a81880$7e8c01d0@castlebooks> From: "Janet Davis" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:37:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Fw: [SCA-AE] Links: Medieval Hats, Shoes, Belts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This lady is a research librarian who puts together lists of sites on topics of interest to the SCA. Some of these sites are fairly well-known, but some of the shoe ones were new to me. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings http://www.medievalbookstore.com > Greetings everyone. > > As I seem to be catching every virus known to mankind lately, the Links > lists have been a little slow in coming. Please do not be confused: you have > not missed an issue last week, I have failed to produce one. Here is This > week's list, however, and I pray you will forgive me my temporary lapse. > > This week's list is about medieval hats, belts and shoes. I hope you enjoy > it in the spirit it is offered, and will pass it along to those who are > interested in such things. > > Cheers > > Aoife > > Easy Men's Hats from 1300 - 1500: Workshop & Notes > by Cynthia Virtue aka Cynthia du Pré Argent > http://www.virtue.to/articles/mens_hats.html > (Site Excerpt) Some of the most silly hats that have ever been invented as > serious wear on this planet were in use during this time in Europe.Although > many of the most outrageous were worn by noblewomen, there are several fun > styles for men of all classes that are both practical and easy to make. > Once you familiarize yourself with these, you can go on to consider some of > the more outlandish ones if you wish, or rest content with these knowing > that the proper hat makes your garb look just right. (See also > http://www.virtue.to/articles/#Hats for more excellent hat articles by this > author). > > COSTUMES AND CLOTHING MEDIEVAL > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/7631/costume3.html > (Site Excerpt) The hood became a separate garment. Later in the period, the > hood, with its pointed end (the liripipe), and short shoulder cape, became a > hat worn by putting the head into the hole originally intended for the face > and wrapping the extended liripipe around the head in turban fashion. Later > still, the hat was hung over the shoulder by the liripipe as a badge. Its > ultimate manifestation became the cockade on the 19th-century livery hat or > the 20th-century doorman's hat. Another even more curious derivation of the > hood is the small tab sewn in the back of an English barrister's gown. > > Headgear: A brief introduction > By Lady Jehanne de Hugenin > http://users.iafrica.com/m/me/melisant/costume/headgear.htm > (Site Excerpt) The hat maketh the wo/man! It's always a source of sadness to > me how many people make magnificent SCA costumes and then fail to complete > them with the relevant headgear. More than any other accessory, what you > wear on your head completes the look of your clothing; it's essential to the > flavour of the majority of centuries in the medieval era. > > Hat Patterns from Harper House > the perfect finishing touch to almost any outfit. (Commercial site) > http://www.longago.com/hat.html > > What sort of hat would you have worn in Medieval times? > http://www.learner.org/exhibits/middleages/clothact.html > (Site Excerpt) Hats were an important part of medieval garb. Depending on > one's occupation and the time of the year, hats could vary from linen head > warmers, to straw or felt hats, to "borrelais" hats to fine mesh mail coifs, > to "sallet" helmets, to visored "basinets" to mitres and crowns. > Five hats are pictured below, try to determine which of the people listed > wore which of the hats. > > Footwear of the Middle Ages > http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM > (Site Excerpt) The purpose of this web site is to provide a general guide to > footwear in the European Middle Ages, with some examinations of footwear > before that period, as well as some that came after. Hopefully this will be > an overview of footwear technology up to 1600. Since we don't have the > materials or knowledge to make this an exhaustive view of all footwear up to > 1600, because much of the knowledge has been long lost, not yet published, > or simply not available to me at this time, this site should always be > considered a work in process. Further, I don't wish to present this material > as thought I am an expert, much less THE expert in this field. As we learn > more about how things were done, this will change our understanding of > techniques, technology, and so forth. To my mind, the true experts on > Medieval shoemaking all died centuries ago. At best, I am a student of > their work. As such, I am continually learning more about these things, and > as I learn them, I will present them hear as I can. To this end, I will > present the research that I have done (when I am able to), as well as that > done by those before me, and those who are currently doing such research > today.. > > Medieval Shoes from the Bata Museum Collection, Toronto, Ontario > http://www.medievallife.com/Pages/Bata_Shoe_Museum1.htm > A Collection of photographs on Medieval Shoes, covering three pages. > > Fragment of Medieval Shoe from Newcastle upon Tyne > http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/old_fotm/old_fotmmr98/ > (Site Excerpt) During the course of excavations carried out at the > waterfront in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1984-5, hundreds of fragments of > leather were recovered from waterlogged deposits of the 13th century. They > were incorporated in waste matter which was taken down to the riverside and > dumped as part of a process of land reclamation. Leather, textiles, wooden > objects, ceramics and animal bones were all included in this material. The > waterlogging had preserved the organic materials, with the result that the > leather was in good condition. This included a knife sheath and some belt > fragments, but most of it was in the form of fragments from cobblers' > workshops: offcuts, scraps and worn-down soles. > > History of Shoes--Medieval Shoes > http://www.northampton.gov.uk/Museums/Collections/Boot_and_Shoe/History_of_S hoes/Medieval_shoes.htm > (Site Excerpt) Footwear styles continued to change during the Medieval age. > The sole and upper were no longer thonged but stitched together with thread > and the toe became a sharp point, known as scorpion tails, they began to get > longer in the 1320's and became known as pikes, crackowes or poulaines. The > length of ones toe was an indication of status. The King and his court had > shoes with the largest toes. This style wasn't worn by women. The ankle shoe > remained popular, it was usually side laced with three pairs of holes. > > Making Medieval Arrowheads (This article is actually an article on making > Medieval Shoes) > http://www.the-exiles.org/essay/makingmedishoes.htm > (Site Excerpt) Shoes in the late mediaeval period were constructed in a > somewhat different manner to their modern day equivalent. The following is a > construction guide for anyone who wishes to make a pair of authentic > turnsoles. What you will need: Sole Leather - 4-7mm thick vegetable tanned ; > Upper leather - 1.5 - 3mm thick vegetable tanned ;A square of canvas about > 40 - 50cm each side ; > Two saddlers needles (heavy duty blunt needles) ; Linen thread ; An awl - > diamond section, very sharp; A Stanley/Craft knife; A tape measure; A pencil > ; Scissors ; Leather thonging ; Beeswax > > Early Medieval Irish Shoes > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4715/costume/shoes.html > (Site Excerpt) Finding reference materials for early shoe types has turned > into an exciting form of treasure hunt, but I'm starting to make some > headway. When 8 hardy souls met in an Emeryville, California house to "make > shoes" on April 6, 1997, we thought we had just about all the information we > needed to go ahead, and in fact, a number of attractive and comfortable > pairs of shoes were made from the two buffalo hides we decided to buy as a > group. When we started, we had a xerox copy of the out of print book > Primitive Shoes by Margrethe Hald, a printout of Footwear in the Middle > Ages, by I. Marc Carlson, several art and archaelogy books on the Celts, a > couple of paper patterns from a local tannery (now out of business) and one > of our number had made numerous shoes for Renaissance Faires. It was a > brave beginning, and we made the most of it. Now that some time has passed > and more information is available, though, I'd recommend a somewhat > different approach! > > Documention on the recreation of a pair of Medieval Hide Shoes > http://www.carillion.eastkingdom.org/WELD_convt.pdf > Adobe Acrobat required to view this research paper. > > MOAS Atlantia Shoemaking Links > http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/topics/shoe.htm > > How to Tie a Medieval Belt > http://www.vikingmetalworks.com/belt.html > (Site Excerpt) Step 1: Find a wide belt that is two to three feet longer > than your usual size. This belt should have an open ring (not a standard > buckle) of two or three inches in diameter depending on the width of the > belt. > > Medieval Belt decorations > http://www.geocities.com/garys_hoard/artefacts/item2.html > This site is an amateur archaeologist's page with photos of meieval belt > decorations. > > Post Medieval Collection > http://www.cotswold.gov.uk/museum/AllPostMedieval.asp > Archaeological photos of medieval belt fittings > > Leatherworking : 13th Century belt and pouch > by Jurgen von Baden > http://www.havenonline.com/moas/a_s_2000/beltpouch.htm > (Site Excerpt) There were various forms of girdles used in the 13th century. > They are well illustrated in illuminations and effigies from this period. > There have also been a number of girdles that have been excavated along the > Thames River in London. The excavated girdles were made of leather, silk, > linen and wool. Judging from the excavated examples, and examining the > surviving buckles and strap-ends, it seems likely that dress belts were 60mm > or less in width throughout the period (Egan & Pritchard p. 35) I had a > strap of leather approximately 40mm wide that I used for this piece. The > leather strap that I used was pre-dyed black. One medieval method of > obtaining a black dye would be to use madder with iron as a mordant. Nearly > all of the surviving examples made of leather were worn with the grain > (smooth) side out and were usually made with a single thickness of leather. > This can be verified by observing which side the belt mounts were attached > to. 13th Century girdles were typically fairly long and often reach to > nearly the ankles in period illustrations. When I wear this particular belt, > it reaches to below my knees. > > > > > SUMMER set lip to earth's bosom bare, > And left the flush'd print in a poppy there; > Like a yawn of fire from the grass it came, > And the fanning wind puff'd it to flapping flame. ----Francis Thompson, The > Poppy > > "My friends are my estate."---- Emily Dickinson > > "I have undertaken a labor, a labor out of love for > the world, and to comfort noble hearts..."----GOTTFRIED VON STRASSBURG > > - > To change your list status, send a single line message to > sca-aethelmearc-request@andrew.cmu.edu > Example: > UNSUBSCRIBE sca-aethelmearc "Lis" > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 11:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFejHP021586 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:40:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbWUw008099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbVX5009702; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbRX5009654 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19VCKs-0008zY-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:37:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:09:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tablet/inkle weaving (was: shiny trims etc.) References: <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> <20030620055119.38192.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c33729$5c24faa0$02b00040@softwareinnovation.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030624133444.00b29de8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030624133444.00b29de8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn Jacobson wrote >At 05:38 PM 6/23/2003 +0100, Jean wrote: >> I'm not getting any links to pictures of looms in this thread, so I >>may be talking about the wrong thing. But what I think of as an inkle >>loom has various horizontal bars or pegs that you can wind the warp >>around in zig-zag patterns to get a lot of length in a short space. >>I have a much simpler frame which is just a board with two upright >>posts, one at either end, about six inches high. I wind the warp >>around them as many times as it needs (three lengths is practical - >>more is difficult) and just have to re-fix it when I get from one >>post to the other. When I'm weaving at events, I'm careful to tell >>punters that there's no evidence they used such a thing, but it's so >>much more practical than being tied to a post. I'm often doing it >>while keeping an eye on the camp during the big battle, so I need to >>be able to jump up quickly. >> >>Jean >Yes, the first thing you describe sounds like a lap/tabletop inkle >loom. I'm curious about your "board with 2 upright posts"; it sounds >similar to a warping board, and I'm curious how you weave on it. > Oh dear, we really are struggling without pictures! It's just like doing a very short bit of tablet weaving, one end tied to each post. The board is about a yard long. When I first got it, I tried tying the warp off to the posts, but my knots wouldn't hold the tension (I'm not good with knots!) so now I do as I would weaving from a belt, tie string through the first end and round the first post, then take the warp along the board, round post 2, along, round post 1 below the first end, along and tie the other end to post 2, again with string. Once I've woven as far as I can down the first length, I have to take it off and re-position it. I use really long bits of string, so that it's fully adjustable even if the end needs to be only a few inches past the post. I know it sounds really awkward, and you wouldn't want to do it on a really long piece, but it's just so easy to transport and store and handle, it gets my vote when we're camping. Jean > >>Betsy Marshall wrote >>>I find myself interested in what >>>you would suggest as an alternative? >>>Betsy > >How about an English type inkle loom? There are plans for one in Byways >in Hand-Weaving by Mary Meigs Atwater, along with instructions on how >to do inkle weaving, tablet weaving, twined weaving, braiding, >knotting, and plaiting. > >I'm a little surprised that this book is not mentioned more often when >people are starting to learn different historic weaving techniques. >Published in 1954 and still in print (AFAIK), it's a good basic book >for any weaver's library. > >Dawn > > >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 11:41:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFf7HP021589 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:41:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbxUw008167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbxX5010051; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PFbRX5009655 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19VCKs-0008zZ-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:12:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny ornot? References: <003101c33673$676e59d0$6401a8c0@mycomputer> <001f01c33679$20fcffa0$7b0877d8@pavilion> <000c01c33ac1$7957c440$320977d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <000c01c33ac1$7957c440$320977d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for this information. I'd only come across calendering in 11th-12th century references, when it's done by hand with hemispherical glass calenders. Jean Lisa Sinervo wrote >Calendering and using a mangle are one in the same, to my knowledge anyway. >I've posted a scan of a commercial calender at >http://www.threadneedlest.com/calendering.cfm I'll be taking it down >shortly. It's from an old 1975 text book on Textiles called Textiles: >Fiber to Fabric" by Corbman. I picked it up on ebay for for a steal plus >shipping. It's handy to have around and I'd recommend anyone interested in >costuming to at least have a look at an introductory textiles book if they >at all have the time. > >Like a mangle, a calender has at least one smooth steel roll and usually if >not always one soft roll made of wool, cotton or cotton and corn husks. The >fabric passes between the two rolls in a space called a nip. The text >states that fabric is passed through the nip at an average rate of 150 yards >per minute under pressure of 40 to 60 tons, and sometimes as much as 100 >tons. After passing through the calender, the fabric is wound up on the >back of the machine. > >There is another type of calender that is used to produce glazed finishes. >This one has a similar set up but the gears are set so that the hot steel >drums roll faster than the fabric that is passing through the nip. This >creates friction and produces a glazed finish. An application of starch, >glue, mucilage or shellac is often preceded by friction calendering. > >There is also a process called schreinering which uses a calender with small >lines etched into the steel roller. When cheap cotton fabric is passed >through this machine, miniscule ridges (125 to 600 per inch) are impressed >in the fabric causing light to reflect off of it making the fabric appear >lustrous. Unfortunately, these ridges disappear after you wash the garment >a few times. Another reason cheap clothes look so much better at the shop >then they do after you wear them a few times. > >I'd be most interested in hearing about the Venitian reference for >calendering. I'd not heard about that. Please tell me more and where this >info popped up. > >rgds, > >Lisa > >fyi - > >Main Entry: mu·ci·lage >Pronunciation: 'myü-s(&-)lij >Function: noun >Etymology: Middle English muscilage, from Late Latin mucilago mucus, musty >juice, from Latin mucus >Date: 15th century >1 : a gelatinous substance of various plants (as legumes or seaweeds) that >contains protein and polysaccharides and is similar to plant gums >2 : an aqueous usually viscid solution (as of a gum) used especially as an >adhesive > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jean Waddie" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:40 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Calendering silk-was:Renaissance period silk shiny >ornot? > > >> Could you explain a bit more - is the mangle used to do the calendering >> (with very smooth rollers?) or is it another part of a several-stage >> process? >> >> Jean >> >> >> Lisa Sinervo wrote >> >Yes, callendering is used to produce a sheen. Pressure on the fabric >makes >> >the surface more compact & smooth and this changes the way it reflects >> >light, thus producing shininess. >> > >> >Lisa > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 15:42:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PJg7HP022319 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PJcuUw004780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PJcnwM010164; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PJciwM010091 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-007-160.jps.net ([216.119.7.160] helo=pavilion) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19VG6N-0001IB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:38:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c33b53$8b15ec60$a00777d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030621040838.95497.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030624124637.02e337c0@127.0.0.1> <099901c33a8d$6c5d7610$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: A mystery solved? Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:54:08 -0700 Organization: Threadneedlest.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just this morning I came across a little tid bit of info that my shed some light on this yellowing bleached linen. My Textiles: Fiber to Fabric book recommends that one always read the label before bleaching cotton because although cotton itself is safely bleached in ordinary household bleach, some of the finishes are "chlorine retentive -they turn yellow when subjected to sodium hypochlorite bleaches". So if these same finishes are sometimes applied to linen too, linen with the finishes may yellow and while untreated linen might not. Food for thought! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye remover, bleach, & linen > It's clear, and I'm in the US; the yellowing happens no matter what color > the linen is (and it yellows darker than the original color, for light > colors) and it occured when I used other vats, and in ceramics as well. I've > never done it with a washing machine, because I don't have one! > > Honestly, I'm surprised no one else has had this experience on this > list--I've heard similar experiences all over the place elsewhere. > > E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 25 19:03:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PN3jHP022923 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PN0OUw028746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PN0Iqt002625; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PN0Fqt002587 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h5PN0EHm023637 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.229] (tnt-1-37.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.229]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5PN01gC023217 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03ca01c33ae6$ab3e9400$a4664ed5@pavilion> References: <20030624.163154.900.3.Cley@juno.com> <03ca01c33ae6$ab3e9400$a4664ed5@pavilion> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:06:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:54 AM +0100 6/25/03, Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Were there such garments in Europe? I know they did sock and hats, but >I've never heard of tunics before. > >There are finds of possible sleeves put these could be hose. Or, to be even more technical, there are finds of tubular fabrics of a size that would be compatible with either sleeves or leggings, but of uncertain use. > It is thought >possible to probably that there were tunics etc Do you recall who it was who thinks this is probable? Europe does seem to have had a conceptual category for "textile techniques used only or primarily for small, highly-shaped accessories but not for body garments", so I'd be interested to know if the reasoning is stronger than "they used it for hats and socks so they must have used it for tunics". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 02:08:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q68VHP026408 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q5veUw002783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q5vcB5025054; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q5vWB5025005 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:57:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-106-35.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.106.35]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AEU40402; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:57:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00d801c33ba8$522978e0$236a4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030624.163154.900.3.Cley@juno.com><03ca01c33ae6$ab3e9400$a4664ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sprang Tunic Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:00:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Do you recall who it was who thinks this is probable? Europe does seem to have had a conceptual category for "textile techniques used only or primarily for small, highly-shaped accessories but not for body garments", so I'd be interested to know if the reasoning is stronger than "they used it for hats and socks so they must have used it for tunics". Not off hand, it is hard to get the full reports and many of them are in Danish or Germany so I'm still wading through them ! There are instances of sprang with tablet woven bands, which are interesting Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 05:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q9bkHP027629 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q9R2Uw015330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q9R0xG014113; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5Q9QuxG014057 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h5Q9Qtp13722.; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:26:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:26:55 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:26:27 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm back! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Back from a fantastic stay in Orkney looking at wildlife and the numerous archaeological sites. Nothing costume-related to report except that I saw a 19th century Scots bonnet in the Kirkwall museum and 2 Ayrshire whitework children's dresses in another. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 14:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QIhTHP029145 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QINeUw004825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QINZGo026253; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QINIGo026082 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HH3002C1PQSXJ@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:13:34 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm back! In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030626111200.02e5c330@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:26 AM 6/26/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Back from a fantastic stay in Orkney looking at wildlife and the >numerous archaeological sites. Welcome Back Kate, I wanna go to Orkney, or Isle of Skye, or any Scottish places... someday. Someday I will make that trip to the British Isles and visit the many museums and other places I have read so much about. {sigh} Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 15:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJqpHP029277 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJYeUw012946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJYZVv020326; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJYVVv020200 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1db.cb2f3ba (657) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.cb2f3ba.2c2ca4bf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:34:23 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm reading a novel, and since it takes place in the 19th century, there are a few terms that I'm unfamiliar with- since I'm usually wandering through Elizabethan England. Anyway, enough of my prattle. What, exactly, is "gros de Naples"? From what I can tell it seems to be a kind of fabric, but I'm not really sure- and all I can find are fashion plates! I mean, if I went by the French translation from my classes, I'd come up with "fat of Naples". Which just sounds...odd! Also, what is fichu? Couldn't find a clear definition or description of that, either. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 16:16:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKGhHP029325 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJwiUw015914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJwfIQ011509; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QJwaIQ011385 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ConstanceFairfax@cs.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.16f.20a2eb10 (16110) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.136]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v94.29) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee3efb50611d0; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:58:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:58:25 -0400 From: ConstanceFairfax@cs.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7F2FE114.5F48AAA5.349D0FDF@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi- Gros de Naples is a heavy silk with a matte finish, corded from selvedge to selvedge(like Grosgrain ribbon). The "gros" is because the warp strings are fat. A fichu is a shawl (usually triangular) worn by women over the shoulders, pinned in front or worn to fill in a low neckline. Constance IceGirlNIN@aol.com wrote: >I'm reading a novel, and since it takes place in the 19th century, there are >a few terms that I'm unfamiliar with- since I'm usually wandering through >Elizabethan England.  Anyway, enough of my prattle. >What, exactly, is "gros de Naples"?  From what I can tell it seems to be a >kind of fabric, but I'm not really sure- and all I can find are fashion plates!   >I mean, if I went by the French translation from my classes, I'd come up with >"fat of Naples".  Which just sounds...odd! >Also, what is fichu?  Couldn't find a clear definition or description of >that, either.   > >Christine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 16:20:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKKpHP029338 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QK2sUw016386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QK2rIQ014468; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QK2mIQ014420 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3191.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.156.119] helo=lance5) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19VcxD-0005pi-JQ for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:02:47 +0100 From: "Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200306261803.h5QI1aGr009433@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Orkney Archaeology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Back from a fantastic stay in Orkney looking at wildlife and the > numerous archaeological sites. Nothing costume-related to report except > that I saw a 19th century Scots bonnet in the Kirkwall museum and 2 > Ayrshire whitework children's dresses in another. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby Kate, did you visit Orphir. I have very fond memories of that place, I spent a few weeks excavating there in 1987 (oh my god I feel old) and our archaeology professor took us all round the sites on Mainland. Did you go inside Maes Howe? And isn't the ring of Brodgar wonderful? I must get back there one of these days. Freyalyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 16:45:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKjFHP029403 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKRFUw019593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKRBIQ006845; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QKQtIQ006580 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.165.21ebe358 (657) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <165.21ebe358.2c2cb107@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:26:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/26/03 4:07:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ConstanceFairfax@cs.com writes: > Gros de Naples is a heavy silk with a matte finish, corded from selvedge to > selvedge(like Grosgrain ribbon). The "gros" is because the warp strings are > fat. > > A fichu is a shawl (usually triangular) worn by women over the shoulders, > pinned in front or worn to fill in a low neckline. > > Ooh, thank you! Now things make a bit more sense- even if the character *wearing* the Gros de Naples dress probably looked horrid in it. Though now I can see why the character wearing the fichu needed it- she kept tugging her bodice down like a wench at Renfaire! Yes, it's a romance novel. I finished Order of the Phoenix and needed some nice, no-angst mush. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 17:40:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QLeCHP029600 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:40:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QLOeUw026531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QLOaLf029007; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-f53.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.53]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5QLOXLf028838 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:24:27 -0700 Received: from 207.96.224.159 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:24:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.96.224.159] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:24:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 21:24:27.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[52F92050:01C33C29] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Also, what is fichu? Couldn't find a clear definition or description of >that, either. Usually, it's a piece of cloth you wear on your head. Nowadays, could be around your neck too, but the usual is on the head. I've seen it used most often in modern language to refer to a triangular piece of (often white) cloth worn on the head and tied at the nape of the neck. Don't assume it was the same at the time your novel takes place though. This is just a possible avenue :-) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 21:15:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1FSHP029947 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R0xTUw020285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R0xPJs018449; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from joplin.siteprotect.com (joplin.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R0xMJs018341 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from GENTEELARTS (user186.net857.oh.sprint-hsd.net [69.34.22.186]) by joplin.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5R0xGx28836 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:59:17 -0500 From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 2004 Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c33c47$53d21f90$0200a8c0@GENTEELARTS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1db.cb2f3ba.2c2ca4bf@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please excuse the duplicate post if you are on another list. The Genteel Arts Academy is pleased to announce the 2004 Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference. The conference will be held March 5-7, 2004 in Harrisburg, PA. In celebration of its tenth anniversary, the conference is expanding this year to present a full program of presentations on the clothing and culture of the mid-nineteenth century with programs of interest for both ladies and gentlemen. The conference also features extensive displays of original clothing and artifacts, pre-conference focus sessions and workshops, a juried vendor area and several social activities. Complete details, including registration information, is available at www.genteelarts.com (We are still working on some of the links, but all the information is available for viewing.) Early registration is encouraged; last year's conference was sold out! Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference - March 7-9, 2004 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 21:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1quHP030009 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1bHUw023752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1bGJs006143; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1bBJs006075 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 80CF210EF2B for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c33c4c$9ea217f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c33c47$53d21f90$0200a8c0@GENTEELARTS> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2004 Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:37:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh. My. G*d. This is TWENTY MINUTES from my house! How exciting! Thank you!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 2004 Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference > Please excuse the duplicate post if you are on another list. > > The Genteel Arts Academy is pleased to announce the 2004 Ladies and > Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference. The conference will be held March 5-7, > 2004 in Harrisburg, PA. In celebration of its tenth anniversary, the > conference is expanding this year to present a full program of presentations > on the clothing and culture of the mid-nineteenth century with programs of > interest for both ladies and gentlemen. The conference also features > extensive displays of original clothing and artifacts, pre-conference focus > sessions and workshops, a juried vendor area and several social activities. > > Complete details, including registration information, is available at > www.genteelarts.com > (We are still working on some of the links, but all the information is > available for viewing.) Early registration is encouraged; last year's > conference was sold out! > > Carolann Schmitt > cschmitt@genteelarts.com > www.genteelarts.com > Ladies and Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference - March 7-9, 2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 22:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R29CHP030025 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:09:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1roUw024883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1rnJs012963; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R1rhJt012934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5R1s6He021020 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5R1s6tZ021018 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:54:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:54:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306262154.06035.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 26 June 2003 05:24 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > >Also, what is fichu? Couldn't find a clear definition or description of > >that, either. > > Usually, it's a piece of cloth you wear on your head. Nowadays, could be > around your neck too, but the usual is on the head. I've seen it used most > often in modern language to refer to a triangular piece of (often white) > cloth worn on the head and tied at the nape of the neck. Nope, sorry. A fichu was *not* headwear in the Victorian era. A fichu was a kind of shoulder wrap, used for decoration and not warmth. The American Heritage Dictionary still defines the term thus: http:/http://www.bartleby.com/61/36/F0103600.html For a slightly more expansive definition from an on-line costume dictionary: http://www.geocities.com/kathrynewilson/app.html Lace ones were particularly popular in the 1850s and 1860s. For pictures reproduced from period sources, see: http://www.originals-by-kay.com/sources/ball/fichus.shtm Hope this helps. -- Cathy Raymond "You live and learn, or you don't live long." Robert Heinlein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 26 22:39:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R2dLHP030073 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:39:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R2NtUw027253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R2Nrhx026308; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe61.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.196]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R2Nnhx026242 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:23:44 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe61.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:23:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306262154.06035.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:24:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 02:23:44.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[2203EAA0:01C33C53] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. I said don't assume it meant the same thing then than what I hear it used for now. I said it's what *I*, *now*, hear it used for. So don't go telling around I mislead you, because I didn't. I said it was a possible avenue, and that you shouldn't assume that it was the same thing at the time the novel takes place. Je connais assez bien mon français pour avoir entendu le terme "fichu", et utilisé assez souvent pour savoir ce qu'il veut dire dans la langue parlée actuelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Gros de Naples" > On Thursday 26 June 2003 05:24 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > >Also, what is fichu? Couldn't find a clear definition or description of > > >that, either. > > > > Usually, it's a piece of cloth you wear on your head. Nowadays, could be > > around your neck too, but the usual is on the head. I've seen it used most > > often in modern language to refer to a triangular piece of (often white) > > cloth worn on the head and tied at the nape of the neck. > > > Nope, sorry. A fichu was *not* headwear in the Victorian era. A fichu was a > kind of shoulder wrap, used for decoration and not warmth. The American > Heritage Dictionary still defines the term thus: > > http:/http://www.bartleby.com/61/36/F0103600.html > > For a slightly more expansive definition from an on-line costume dictionary: > > http://www.geocities.com/kathrynewilson/app.html > > Lace ones were particularly popular in the 1850s and 1860s. For pictures > reproduced from period sources, see: > > http://www.originals-by-kay.com/sources/ball/fichus.shtm > > Hope this helps. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You live and learn, or you don't live long." > Robert Heinlein > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 04:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R8BwHP014724 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 04:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R88SUw020102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R88NiN023451; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5R88IiN023430 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h5R88Gp16889.; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:07:45 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Orkney Archaeology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Freyalyn wrote: >.Kate, did you visit Orphir. I have very fond memories of that place, I >spent a few weeks excavating there in 1987 (oh my god I feel old) and our >archaeology professor took us all round the sites on Mainland. Did you go >inside Maes Howe? And isn't the ring of Brodgar wonderful? I must get >back there one of these days. Orphir is where there are remains of a round church, isn't it? There is now a little visitor centre there where you can see a video about the Orkneyinga Saga and the murder that took place there. Yes, we went inside Maes Howe, and to Skara Brae (which I had been longing to see) as well as to some more remote and uncommercialised sites. I loved the way the Ring of Brodgar and the Stones of Stenness are visible from one another. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 08:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RCBWHP001848 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:11:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RCB0Uw006927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RCAwqp027485; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RCAtqp027424 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.133.21ec9925 (1320) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <133.21ec9925.2c2d8e44@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:10:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] plaid linen what period? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I saw some nice linen at my local joanns for only $2/yard. The thing is it's a large rose colored plaid, the sort of thing I see in 1860s-1870s dresses...but was linen as widely used then? Or would a large plaid work for something like a colonial era dress but I just haven't seen it? Or should I just pass up the stuff? Thanks. Cheers, Loren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 12:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGKKHP002393 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG4JUw028220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG4EkL023874; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG0xkL021583 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-150.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.150]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AET59193; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:00:48 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00f201c33cc5$d7580680$467b4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" , "LIST Costume UK" , Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:04:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] What a scortcher Costume Museum Notts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 25th June to 7th Sept History of beachwear Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 12:21:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGL5HP002397 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:21:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG5iUw028389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG5gkL024980; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RG2DkL022584 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-150.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.150]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AET59317; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:02:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00f301c33cc6$08616e60$467b4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: , , "LIST H costume" Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:06:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Corset making workshop uk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Costume museum Notts Thurs Fri 21 22 August £50 0115 915 3500 Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 12:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGsMHP002512 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:54:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGcsUw002350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGcrkL024230; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGaCkL021419 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from patriot.net (support.patriot.net [209.249.176.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h5RGaBUZ016503 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:36:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200306271636.h5RGaBUZ016503@jefferson.patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:32:40 -0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset making workshop uk From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Melanie, Does this mean the costume museum in Nottingham is still open? Rumor had it the museum is going to close, and one recent visitor said it already closed. :-( Also, what era of corsets for the workshop? -Carol Melanie Wilson said: > Costume museum Notts Thurs Fri 21 22 August £50 > > 0115 915 3500 > > Mel0 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 13:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RHQpHP002627 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RHA4V0006406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGrJkL007801; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RGn2kL003056 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-150.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.150]) 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AET64768; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:48:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <017701c33ccc$8f0b8e40$467b4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200306271636.h5RGaBUZ016503@jefferson.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset making workshop uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:52:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does this mean the costume museum in Nottingham is still open? Rumor had it the museum is going to close, and one recent visitor said it already closed. :-( Well they have a lot on for a closed museum :) I thought it had closed too... > Also, what era of corsets for the workshop? emphasis on Victorian and Edwardian it sayes Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 14:39:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RIddHP003095 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RId6Uw017840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RId2iw014094; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RIXgiw009179 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HH5007RKKW5XI@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:23:51 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] plaid linen what period? In-reply-to: <133.21ec9925.2c2d8e44@aol.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030627112300.02e2f080@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:10 AM 6/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I saw some nice linen at my local joanns for only $2/yard. Was it actual linen, or a blend? Just curious as I am looking for something like this for modern clothes. Wish I had an answer on your questions. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 15:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RJSLHP003217 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RJRsUw023886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RJRqtu027993; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RJRntu027956 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix, from userid 313) id 8FD712F933; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] plaid linen what period? To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030627112300.02e2f080@127.0.0.1> from "Kimiko Small" at Jun 27, 2003 11:23:51 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030627192851.8FD712F933@jabberwock.wonderland.com> From: alice@wonderland.com (Heather Meadows) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO for $2 a yard, I'd buy it and overdye it some nice dark color for elizabethans. > > At 08:10 AM 6/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >I saw some nice linen at my local joanns for only $2/yard. > > > Was it actual linen, or a blend? Just curious as I am looking for something > like this for modern clothes. Wish I had an answer on your questions. > > Kimiko > > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 17:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RLpPHP003527 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:51:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RLovUw010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RLotil025510; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5RLopil025387 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.163.229084b0 (3874) for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <163.229084b0.2c2e1631@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:50:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] plaid linen what period? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/27/03 2:43:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: > Was it actual linen, or a blend? Just curious Me too. I'd go ahead and get it, if you like it. Make a mid 19th century dress out of it. Just make it a summer outfit. Y'know, with an unfitted jacket if 1860s.....for the beach or outdoor activities. You could do clever things with turning the plaid on the bias for decoration. It'll be lovely....you know it! Accurate....probably though I cannot document it off the top of my head. I've got a poly/linen blend that looks like raw linen with an ox blood double window pane woven in it. I'm going to make an 1840s day dress out of it. It just keeps asking me to. It will look great. It's got the right feel and is not glaringly inaccurate....though maybe a little hard to document. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 27 20:45:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5S0jsHP004159 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5S0jOUw028627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5S0jMso022588; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (smtp.austarmetro.com.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5S0jFso022465 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ewalpole (dialup-183.34.194.203.acc01-nort-cbr.comindico.com.au [203.194.34.183])h5S0j4pe024346 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:45:05 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c33d0d$e2368980$b722c2cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:13:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO May I suggest either putting such info on your website e.g. it's OK to link to any of my pages/ my front-page not others, provided you are a nonprofit organisation/ are not a terrorist / would be willing to send me your life savings ;-) etc. Or the other solution could be to have a message saying yes you may link to my site in whatever wording you chose, save it on your hard drive & send it out in reply to any messages asking for permission, rather than needing to compose a new message each time. Elizabeth Walpole -----Original Message----- From: N Kipar To: Historical Costume Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites > Personally, I am annoyed when I am being asked, because frankly I don't have >the time nor energy to answer emails that are unnecessary. It's extra polite, >granted, but my very own personal feeling is: oh no! please do and don't bother >me! > >No offense meant to anyone who ever contacted me/thought of contacting, and >might not have received an answer or a three letter one a la 'yes'. It's just >me. :-) > >Nicole > >===== >Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien > >Email: nicole@kipar.org >URL: http://www.kipar.org > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 06:09:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SA9HHP008016 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SA7UUw009817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 04:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SA7QBV005123; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 04:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SA7IBV005057 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 04:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3895.lynx.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.207.55] helo=lance5) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19WCc1-00048t-Jz for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:07:17 +0100 From: "Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth" To: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:11:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200306271801.h5RI19j1010549@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Orkney X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO as well as to some more remote and uncommercialised > sites. I loved the way the Ring of Brodgar and the Stones of Stenness > are visible from one another. There is a theory that the prehistoric sites at Orkney were all part of a great ritual procession from one to another - I love to imagine progressions of people in the incredibly long light evenings that far north. And I'd forgotten the tiny circular church - I worked on Earl's Bu, the longhouses of the Earls of Orkney, and I was there when we found the souterrain and the gold bracelet. Freyalyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 08:22:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SCMHHP008589 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:22:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SCK6Uw018979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SCK5ZZ027606; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5SCK1ZZ027552 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030628121956.36265.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:19:56 BST Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:19:56 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] protocol in linking to other costume sites To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c33d0d$e2368980$b722c2cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > May I suggest either putting such info on your website e.g. it's OK to link > to any of my pages/ my front-page not others, provided you are a nonprofit > organisation/ are not a terrorist / would be willing to send me your life > savings ;-) etc. I like the latter! *winks* I just came back doing a serious LUSH beauty stuff and BeneFit cosmetics shop in Bluewater. :-))) I'm turning back into 'woman' heeeeelp! *LOL* It's a good idea Elizabeth and I'll do that, because I am at long last in the final moments of a total major serious web site overhaul (no more frames). Thus deep linking won't even be a problem anymore, though of course linking to a picture is bandwitdh theft. Nicole ===== Men Die. Cattle Die. Word-Fame Lives Forever. ~ Old Norse Aphorism Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 28 18:48:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SMm4HP011798 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SMkvUw003291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SMksnv012194; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5SMkqnv012185 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.228.5.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.228.5] helo=Dan) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19WOT5-00082d-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:46:51 -0400 Message-ID: <026c01c33dc7$54bf1120$2ddf4bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:48:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h5SMm4HP011798 Status: RO Has anyone here read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse of Chalion"?? It's a wonderful alternate world based on Spanish history. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 06:01:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TA16HP021530 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:01:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TA0WUw013527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TA0T3S002295; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41006.mail.yahoo.com (web41006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5TA0Q3S002267 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030629100021.92498.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.104.69] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:00:21 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <026c01c33dc7$54bf1120$2ddf4bab@Dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really liked it. Have all her books, I cannot rightly remember her saying anything special about clothes. Tania Genie wrote: Has anyone here read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse of Chalion"?? It's a wonderful alternate world based on Spanish history. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 18:18:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMISHP027122 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMHeUw000670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMHVe3006105; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMHSe3006090 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-65-29-25-159.mn.rr.com [65.29.25.159])h5TMHQVA015715 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:17:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030629171022.022aec50@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:16:20 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melanie's underwear In-Reply-To: <3EF92B4F.5070808@faucet.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624201656.00a37480@pop3.lfchosting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:55 PM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >They've never ever twisted. Of course, being an Elizabethan corset, all >the boning channels are straight up and down, but I've never had a problem >with flat steel twisting in the channels. Well, the boning itself cannot >twist--it's just a flat piece of steel. I guess any twisting would be the >fabric twisting around the bones, but I've never had that happen. I >always make the channels just big enough to get the bones through. >Melanie Schuessler >http://www.faucet.net/costume Hey Mel, I've actually had 1/2 spring steel twist on one occasion. It was in my effigy style corset in the larger front channels which originally held the wider whale bones: http://costume.dm.net/images/westminster-corset.jpg Or you can see what channels I mean in Drea's reconstruction: http://costume.dm.net/effigy.htm . Initially I used a double layer of spring steel but they noticably twisted, the twist lessened when I removed one from each casing. It was quite odd but that is the *only* time I've ever encountered it. Cheers, Danielle (who is very glad to have power again!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 18:26:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMQQHP027137 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:26:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMQ1Uw002021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMQ0e3011041; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com (mta01bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TMPue3010944 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.84]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HH9KZK00.4UI for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:26:08 +1000 Received: from 144.139.223.64 ([144.139.223.64]) by bwmam06.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2g 47/17617221); 30 Jun 2003 08:25:32 Message-ID: <004d01c33e8d$63ebbb50$40df8b90@clarke> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030629100021.92498.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:25:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance > I really liked it. Have all her books, I cannot rightly remember her saying anything special about clothes. > Tania > > Genie wrote: > Has anyone here read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse of Chalion"?? > It's a wonderful alternate world based on Spanish history. > > Likewise - I love all her stuff, but I can't remember that it struck me as being particularly Spanish. Not like say 'The Lions of Al-Rassan' by Guy Gavriel Kay. Then again I don't know a great deal about Spain. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 19:45:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TNjbHP027240 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:45:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TNiFUw007975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TNiBBw016432; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5TNi9Bw016415 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.228.128.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.228.128] helo=Dan) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Wlq4-0003u3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00f601c33e98$80dca200$14df4bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030629100021.92498.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> <004d01c33e8d$63ebbb50$40df8b90@clarke> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:45:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe it was in an online interview somewhere, and she made specific mention of the fact the it came from her fascination with the particular period and also a desire to make the history come out right. No, no costume information of particular note in it. Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tania Gruning" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Illuminatuing the Renaissance > > > > I really liked it. Have all her books, I cannot rightly remember her > saying anything special about clothes. > > Tania > > > > Genie wrote: > > Has anyone here read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse of Chalion"?? > > It's a wonderful alternate world based on Spanish history. > > > > > Likewise - I love all her stuff, but I can't remember that it struck me as > being > particularly Spanish. Not like say 'The Lions of Al-Rassan' by Guy Gavriel > Kay. > Then again I don't know a great deal about Spain. > > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 29 23:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5U32wHP027671 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5U305Uw023641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5U302V8011289; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5U300V8011257 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 85870 invoked by uid 1005); 30 Jun 2003 02:59:44 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.101962 secs); 30 Jun 2003 02:59:44 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.101962 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:59:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20030629225857.A21747-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Cool textiles conference X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Because I don't want to feel deprived alone...enjoy! Drea ---------------------------------- Conference on ancient textiles http://www.lu.se/klass/textiles/ A book of the proceedings is in progress. Some of the abstracts reference other components as well such as sheep growing for wool, pottery used in dyeing, substances coating the cloth, and dyeing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 08:32:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UCWcHP031664 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:32:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UCVSUw004475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UCVNNm009050; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UCVLNm009009 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.15a.208ca7b9 (3972) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.208ca7b9.2c318791@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:31:13 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] plaid linen what period? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's in the mystery fiber ultra discount section, no label on the bolt. But I'm pretty positive it's not a blend, its too scratchy (I'm mildly allergic to linen) and too wrinkly not to be 100%. Guess I'll buy it and maybe do a civ war dress out of it. Thanks all! Cheers, Loren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 09:42:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UDgoHP031748 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UDg9Uw009784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UDg8IY012392; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UDg5IY012356 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.26]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 848575EE1C0 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c33f0d$c6a36e70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:44:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Finally i have finished the embroidered robe francaise with chenille embroidery. That is why i was so quiet lately, because i was buisy. I am very pleased with the result, it looks very like the drawing i made in the first place. I have made 3 significant costumes in my life, Nicoles blue Baroque dress, my own embroidered suit, and now this fine dress. Boy am i glad i finally finished it! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_finished_dress.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 10:17:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEHnHP031802 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:17:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEHEUw013119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEH9UH002826; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEGxUH002569 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (dialport13.tukwila.eskimo.net [208.187.159.83]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA15680 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b101c33f12$6569ce60$539fbbd0@bently> From: "David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c33f0d$c6a36e70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:17:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stunning, as always! Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise > Finally i have finished the embroidered robe francaise with chenille > embroidery. > That is why i was so quiet lately, because i was buisy. > I am very pleased with the result, it looks very like the drawing i made in > the first place. > I have made 3 significant costumes in my life, Nicoles blue Baroque dress, > my own embroidered suit, and now this fine dress. > Boy am i glad i finally finished it! > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_finished_dress.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 10:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEcsHP000736 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:38:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEbrUw015555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UEbqUH018244; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5UEblUH018129 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjU10miu7aJPtUCCOHVPked1x8Wmbn0Exg==">; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:36:50 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H3W9DDXM; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:36:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:26:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise Message-ID: <20030630.092631.-692367.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fantastic work, Bjarne!!! It looks fabulous on the dress form, I'm sure it will look even better on the lady who will wear it. Wow! Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 11:16:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFGdHP000798 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFG8Uw020246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFG78Z015868; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFG38Z015765 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CC1710EFB4 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008f01c33f1a$8166bf80$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c33f0d$c6a36e70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:15:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As usual when looking at your work, Bjarne, words fail me. It's stunning. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise > Finally i have finished the embroidered robe francaise with chenille > embroidery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 11:49:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFnxHP000902 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFnOUw023682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFnL8Z010119; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UFnH8Z010033 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.26]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C65347FFAB for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:49:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c33f1f$8e7eda40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:52:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Revolution in Fashion. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. For those of you, who never got the book, here is a page with lots of the pictures from the book: http://www.angelfire.com/retro/thefansite/text/fangallery4.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 12:25:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGPIHP000945 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGOQUw027586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGONQB009178; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGOKQB009150 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-032scfairp0414.dialsprint.net ([168.191.193.160] helo=faucet.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19X1S0-00035m-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:24:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3F00718E.7060803@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:21:18 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise References: <000d01c33f0d$c6a36e70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Bjarne. You are a master of your craft. Now you really have to come and stay with me at the beach. (And then I can keep him here to be my embroidery slave forever..hahhhaaaahhhaaaaaa!! Oops--was that my outside voice??) ;) Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 12:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGQxHP000950 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGQYUw027875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGQWQB010801; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGQSQB010739 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-032scfairp0414.dialsprint.net ([168.191.193.160] helo=faucet.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19X1U3-0006Lt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3F00720D.7020108@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:23:25 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melanie's underwear References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624201656.00a37480@pop3.lfchosting.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030629171022.022aec50@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > I've actually had 1/2 spring steel twist on one occasion. It was in my > effigy style corset in the larger front channels which originally held > the wider whale bones <...> Initially I used a double layer of > spring steel but they noticably twisted, the twist lessened when I > removed one from each casing. It was quite odd but that is the *only* > time I've ever encountered it. That's odd. Are the channels straight? Do they stay straight when you lace it up? The only way I can think that the bones might twist is if the channels were curving--like if you could lace the top and the bottom together but not the middle. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 12:30:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGUmHP000959 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:30:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGUKUw028347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGUIQB013799; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5UGUFQB013778 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.26]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75DBB5EE124 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:30:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c33f25$4b572cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c33f0d$c6a36e70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3F00718E.7060803@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:33:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Melanie Thanks for your words, very nice said. But i better have to walk in a curve far from your home at the beach then! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finished the robe francaise > Oh Bjarne. You are a master of your craft. > > Now you really have to come and stay with me at the beach. > > (And then I can keep him here to be my embroidery slave > forever..hahhhaaaahhhaaaaaa!! Oops--was that my outside voice??) > > ;) > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 17:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULOcHP002068 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULO9Uw001763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULO6ZU004648; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net (pcp822591pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.49.41.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULNxZU004509 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:24:02 -0600 (MDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:23:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Bjarne's finished robe francaise Thread-Index: AcM/TeiKEbSalEVMT2GG2KgKLOzDUQ== From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h5ULNxZU004509 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne's finished robe francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW!! Wow wow! That is gorgeous!! Well done! Allison T. (dramatically understating!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 30 17:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULpeHP002119 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:51:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULpBUw005087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULpAZU023945; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ULp6ZU023794 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.100.247])3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id AEZ25665; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:50:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <01fe01c33f52$4607f2a0$d1754ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:55:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Kid's in Elizabethan costume ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kid's in Elizabethan costume ? Does anyone have any pics of kids in Elizabethan costume they can send me direct tonight please ? I have had a request to show some at my daughter's school tomorrow, nothing like lots of notice ! Thanks Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume