From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 02:55:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h716tK5f003605 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:55:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h716si3O024050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h716seAa020337; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h716scAa020261 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BB7F24C0045C for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:54:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000d01c357f9$c1b147c0$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:54:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] "Art On Demand" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just this week, there was a local (to me) news item about London's National Gallery. It seems that they've taken digital scans of all their pictures and have begun to make special prints of any of them for customers. Now we will be able to study them in much more detail than ordinary prints. Here's more about it, for those who understand the technicalities:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3101207.stm It's so long since I've been there that I can't remember what they have, or whether my favourites are there or in another Art Gallery, but the National Portrait Gallery isn't the only place with useful pictures of people. Anyway, it's suddenly moved right up my list of places to visit - and shop. Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 04:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7184V5f030793 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h718443O029887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71842Dd024119; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7183xDd024080 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7183vf16976.; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:03:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:03:57 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:03:36 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re:Salic Law, was [h-cost] Re: bible comment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> dme_maud@pacbell.net 07/31/03 06:29pm >>> wrote:-- > >Actually Charles is the eldest. >To quote Homer (Simpson): Doh! >I knew that--that's what I get for answering my e-mail >at 1:00 in the morning. ;-D >Thanks Kate! Actually Lynne Connolly was the first to point this out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 08:43:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71Chn5f020678 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:43:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71ChI3O028875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71ChG8k004400; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com [65.24.7.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71ChD8k004358 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-059-030.neo.rr.com [24.209.59.30]) by ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h71ChC3H022460; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01c3582a$6daa8bb0$1e3bd118@duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" , "Sca -Garb" References: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> <000d01c357ca$78264490$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Bleh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h71Chn5f020678 Status: RO Mark your calendar now for next year's Knowne World Costuming Symposium (SCA event)! It will be September 25-26, 2004 at the Four Points Sheraton in North Canton, Ohio (about 60 miles south of Cleveland). kate ----- Original Message ----- From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh I am SO with you on this one! I am not going to Pennsic this year, but I am already stressing over the costuming symposium and that isn't until October! Teena ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bleh > Informative subject line, no? > > Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you > manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I can't seem to get through a frickin' > under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to > complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, because I'm > not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" > theory about Alcega anymore.... > > Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have > these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I > think I'm too anal to get it done. > > OK, rant over. > > -Sarra Wryght > www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) > Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 13:24:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71HOWYE002021 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71DIN3O001750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71DIJAk020334; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71DIHAk020313 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.154.50.184]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 5.8.6) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:17:14 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c3582e$c342f130$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com><000d01c357ca$78264490$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <003d01c3582a$6daa8bb0$1e3bd118@duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Bleh Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:13:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I might have to start working on it now! Ha! Why is it that in my mind I think, "Wow... I have 4 months, I could make the dress from (insert portrait of super complicated dress here)". But the reality is always, "Crap... maybe I have time to whip up a T-tunic". Ok, so maybe I exaggerated a little as I don't wear T-tunics. But it is close! And generally, in what time I do have left, I end up making something new for my husband. What is so wrong about this is that he doesn't CARE if he wears something he has worn before. I, on the other hand, hate to wear anything twice. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" ; "Sca -Garb" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:Bleh Mark your calendar now for next year's Knowne World Costuming Symposium (SCA event)! It will be September 25-26, 2004 at the Four Points Sheraton in North Canton, Ohio (about 60 miles south of Cleveland). kate ----- Original Message ----- From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh I am SO with you on this one! I am not going to Pennsic this year, but I am already stressing over the costuming symposium and that isn't until October! Teena ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bleh > Informative subject line, no? > > Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you > manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I can't seem to get through a frickin' > under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to > complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, because I'm > not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" > theory about Alcega anymore.... > > Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have > these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I > think I'm too anal to get it done. > > OK, rant over. > > -Sarra Wryght > www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) > Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 13:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71HOWYG002021 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71EEt3O006939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71EErVm020337; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71EElVm020253 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:14:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19iag9-0006IV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 07:14:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bleh Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c35837$46fc6ee0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h71EElVm020253 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh, I just have always taken my time to get stuff done. I have one outfit that is almost two years old and not complete. Enjoy the process! I must be missing something. Is there some thing about Pennsic in particular that I should know? I was planning on it for 2004- As I recall Sarra, you have several lovely things to wear which show the time you have put into them....don't be so hard on yourself! BTW, I don't take anything Arnold says to heart when it comes to construction...God bless her for her hard work and nice drawings...but as it has been said before on this list...no one has all the talents to do everything. My motto-Mockup, Mockup, Mockup! Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LoreleiMorte@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Bleh Informative subject line, no? Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I can't seem to get through a frickin' under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, because I'm not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" theory about Alcega anymore.... Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I think I'm too anal to get it done. OK, rant over. -Sarra Wryght www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71IrT0h001994 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71Fqt3O018941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71FqpeO027333; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71FqjeO027183 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:52:42 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:52:32 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Once, long ago, I read everything I could find about Henry VIII and > his reign.... I still do. I'm particularly interested in 1525-1550 and grab all I can about that time period. Knowing the politics of the time often helps understand a lot about how the clothing changed during that time. And you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up about actual clothing if you are reading history. (And some of the newer books have photographs of portraits that I haven't yet seen, even in my perusal of the National Portrait Gallery Archives in London.) Kat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, more new books means more chances of finding portraits that haven't been published yet, at least in books that make it my way :). I am dying to find a color picture of the portrait of the Gentleman in Red that hangs at Hampton Court. There is a b&w in Ashleford, but no color. They didn't even have a postcard of it when I was there years and years ago. Great blackwork on the shirt that gets lost in b&w. A question for those who have researched H8; how much talk was there in the writings of the time about setting aside Katherine before Anne came along? My impression had always been that Mary was being educated for the throne and if Henry was really desperate for a male heir there never seemed to be any moves to find a way to legitamitize his bastard son. I always had a sneaking suspicion that Cromwell was also behind the whole divorce thing, stirring up the politics to give himself more opportunities. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:53:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71IrT0j001994 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G7T3O020741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G7SXP007143; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G6PXP006394 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31578 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:32:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:32:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victoria gone?????!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20030731144500.D88244555@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, prairielark wrote: > Can anyone tell me where to find out more about the "Vintage Fashions" > magazine? --even tho' it may not address all of these, at least maybe > it will fulfill my hunger for stunning photos & detailed studies of > scrumptious garments. Good question. The first issue was scheduled to be out in May, but I haven't seen one. Has anyone else? The editor posted here to offer a free first issue to anyone who wrote her. (I did.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71IrT0l001994 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71FaW3O016847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71FaReO015032; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71FaNeO014991 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.112] (pm7-112.eos.net [205.133.149.112] (may be forged)) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13911 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:29:56 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308010300.h7130SNF016204@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: bleh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sarra: I haven't been to Pennsic for a couple of years. But I had/have separate Pennsic garb. It's period enough for me -- a couple of tunic/gowns, sort of based on the St. Louis shirt, all gores and straight lines. I wear them over one of two shifts that are very tight for bust support, but not laced or anything. I have little white caps to wear under straw hats, or a lightweight hood. And everyone who knows me knows my wooden shoes, which are great for camping! I don't care if they're not my period or country. Those Dutch know a good idea when they see it. My attitude is that it's CAMPING clothes, not a regular wardrobe. When I camp for real, I don't wear my church or work clothes, I wear old grubby stuff. Same at Pennsic or other camping events. But they're NICE old grubby stuff just the same. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:53:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71IrT0n001994 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71GH53O021988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71GH4XP014320; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71GH1XP014263 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip131.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.131]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0A76DCD9 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:17:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Message-ID: <3F2A300F.11889.3C410C60@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Yeah, more new books means more chances of finding portraits that > haven't been published yet, at least in books that make it my way :). > I am dying to find a color picture of the portrait of the Gentleman in > Red that hangs at Hampton Court. There is a b&w in Ashleford, but no > color. The only color one I've found (so far) is in James Laver's Costume of the Western World, Volume Early Tudor 1485-1558, and is Plate 41. It's an old book and the clarity of it isn't as good as I prefer, but it is in color! > They didn't even have a postcard of it when I was there years and > years > ago. Great blackwork on the shirt that gets lost in b&w. They don't do postcards and slides of the portraits the way they used to. It's very sad. > A question for those who have researched H8; how much talk was there > in the writings of the time about setting aside Katherine before Anne > came along? My impression had always been that Mary was being > educated for the throne and if Henry was really desperate for a male > heir there never seemed to be any moves to find a way to legitamitize > his bastard son. I always had a sneaking suspicion that Cromwell was > also behind the whole divorce thing, stirring up the politics to give > himself more opportunities. I've never seen any hint that Henry was thinking of setting Kateryne aside until Anne came along. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of it was Cromwell, as well as some of the others looking for a way to get out of the association with Spain. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 14:53:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71IrT0p001994 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:53:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G713O020667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G6xXP006811; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav69.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71G3wXP004510 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:03:52 -0700 Received: from 162.40.60.17 by bay1-dav69.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:03:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [162.40.60.17] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] From: "Bice d'Este" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b501c3557d$55235e00$6542a6d0@castlebooks> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fans (cross post) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:45:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 16:03:52.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[80C190B0:01C35846] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I'm feeling stupid 'cause I didn't back up and I had a ton of great links and fan links are so hard to get and ones about making them are even harder to find. Bice http://www.jacquelinejohnson.allhere.com/ http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaie/ http://calendar.yahoo.com/de_gustibus_non_est_disputandum7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Davis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fans (cross post) > You have my sympathies - first I got a new computer that needed all my old > stuff put in then 5 months later the new computer had to be wiped and > reformated. Anyway, I think this link came from this list this winter: > http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_fans.htm > > Janet > > Janet Davis > Castle Furnishings > http://www.medievalbookstore.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 17:10:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71LAv0h002993 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:10:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71L0S3O023014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71L0PuQ020197; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emailantivirus (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h71L0KuQ020102 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net ([199.171.27.7]) by emailantivirus with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:01:20 -0400 Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-115.gti.net [208.216.115.115]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 978D835673 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F2AD4D5.2BB0E100@gti.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:00:05 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victoria gone?????!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No word yet here. Someone related to the new vintage magazine made several announcements about the its release on H-Cost & 2-3 of the other historic costume/fashion lists. I am pretty sure she would have announced if the magazine had been released...In fact, the e-lists were the only source I, personally ever saw verifying this new magazine existing. Folks on several lists are anxiously awaiting a premier issue! Deb R > > > Can anyone tell me where to find out more about the "Vintage Fashions" > > magazine? --even tho' it may not address all of these, at least maybe > > it will fulfill my hunger for stunning photos & detailed studies of > > scrumptious garments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 18:22:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MMe0h003363 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MM33O011575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MLrZY001812; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MLkZY001688 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19iiHR-0008Jn-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: <7Yb4wvB4qtK$Iwa6@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:25:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Art On Demand" References: <000d01c357f9$c1b147c0$97725651@bella> In-Reply-To: <000d01c357f9$c1b147c0$97725651@bella> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooooooh! I didn't spot that one. I was so frustrated when we visited the National Gallery, that they had so few prints of my favourite periods. Hmm - that overnight stop with my parents sometime in September just added an extra day to go up to town! Jean Linda Walton wrote >Just this week, there was a local (to me) news item about London's National >Gallery. It seems that they've taken digital scans of all their pictures >and have begun to make special prints of any of them for customers. Now we >will be able to study them in much more detail than ordinary prints. > >Here's more about it, for those who understand the technicalities:- >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3101207.stm > >It's so long since I've been there that I can't remember what they have, or >whether my favourites are there or in another Art Gallery, but the National >Portrait Gallery isn't the only place with useful pictures of people. >Anyway, it's suddenly moved right up my list of places to visit - and shop. > >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 18:49:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71Mnv0h003487 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MnP3O016540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MnOZY024503; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71MnJZZ024420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h71Mnpbh026857 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h71Mnp52026855 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victoria gone?????!!!!! Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308011849.50742.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h71MnJZZ024420 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 01 August 2003 12:32 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, prairielark wrote: > > Can anyone tell me where to find out more about the "Vintage Fashions" > > magazine? --even tho' it may not address all of these, at least maybe > > it will fulfill my hunger for stunning photos & detailed studies of > > scrumptious garments. > > Good question. The first issue was scheduled to be out in May, but I > haven't seen one. Has anyone else? The editor posted here to offer a free > first issue to anyone who wrote her. (I did.) I wrote her also and no, I haven't seen any issue yet. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 20:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720BS0h003888 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720B23O027543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720B0Kb020914; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720AtKc020876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h720BRbh027113 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:11:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h720BRuR027111 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:11:27 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:11:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <3F2A300F.11889.3C410C60@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3F2A300F.11889.3C410C60@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308012011.26873.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h720AtKc020876 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 01 August 2003 12:17 pm, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > A question for those who have researched H8; how much talk was there > > in the writings of the time about setting aside Katherine before Anne > > came along? My impression had always been that Mary was being > > educated for the throne and if Henry was really desperate for a male > > heir there never seemed to be any moves to find a way to legitamitize > > his bastard son. I always had a sneaking suspicion that Cromwell was > > also behind the whole divorce thing, stirring up the politics to give > > himself more opportunities. > > I've never seen any hint that Henry was thinking of setting Kateryne > aside until Anne came along. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of it was > Cromwell, as well as some of the others looking for a way to get out > of the association with Spain. My recollection is that before Anne, Katherine retained at least potential child-bearing capacity so Henry was still holding out hope of a legitimate male heir from her. He began to get serious about Anne around the time Katherine had not had any pregnancies or miscarriages in a few years--sometime in the late 1520s. Katherine would have turned 40 in 1525, and it would have been realized by then that her childbearing days were numbered, if not already gone. By the way, Wolsey, not Cromwell, was Henry's chief minister at this time and was the person who was instrumental in negotiating with the Pope's men about finding a way to legally free Henry from Katherine without getting in bad odor with the Church. Cromwell did not come to power until after Wolsey died in disgrace around 1530. By then, the get-rid-of-Katherine campaign was well advanced, largely due to his efforts. I can't remember if Cromwell was even working for the King in the 1520's, but if he was it was under Wolsey, not as an important person in his own right. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 20:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720UQ0h003968 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720TS3O000259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720TNKb003267; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720THKc003113 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net (h-68-164-130-38.lsanca54.covad.net[68.164.130.38]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2003080200291211300ok9pne> (Authid: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:29:12 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165733.00a53150@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:28:47 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200308011804.h71I4hV3012802@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I just came back from the Getty Museum here in Los Angeles. They've got an >exhibit of illuminated manuscripts from the 15th and 16th century that is >phenomenal. By the time we got to the last room (which had the best stuff >in it) my eyes were glazed over, I was on sensory overload. The only >disappointment was that no picture taking was allowed. Darn!! I've got one question that maybe someone can explain. Early 16th century Flemish peasant garb is not my forte, so I'm somewhat confused. In one illumination, the scene was of a rowdy group of peasants getting drunk in the foreground, and a table of pious, sober nobility in the background. There's a serving girl pouring ale for the peasants. She's wearing a typical kirtle, and the skirt is tucked up and out of the way, showing off her petticoat(s), This is what stumped me. Her skirts look suspiciously full to me, as if there were several layers of stiffened fabric underneath, but even more surprising than that was the top layer skirt - it was knife-pleated from the knees down! She also wore over the petticoat what had to be a dark belt with the tongue hanging down the front almost to the ground. The belt isn't unusual, to me at least, but the pleated bottom half of the petticoat was something I've never seen before. Now, granted, as I said, that's not my time period, so I haven't made any kind of exhaustive study of garb of that era, but still looked out of place to me. Is this petticoat unusual or commonplace? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 20:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720UR0h003969 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720Ts3O000349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720TrKb003618; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720THKb003113 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net (h-68-164-130-38.lsanca54.covad.net[68.164.130.38]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2003080200291111300ok9pme> (Authid: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:29:11 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165224.00a4e610@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:57:31 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200308011804.h71I4hV3012802@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re:Victoria gone?????!!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got a card yesterday, too, telling me that Victoria is gone and they were switching my subscription to Sunset Magazine for the remainder of my subscription time. That's OK, I guess, but the least they could have done is offered me a choice of magazines. I mean, what if I already subscribe to Sunset? They must have had alternate plans and/or magazines to offer. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 20:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720dn0h004010 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720dN3O001520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720dLKb009217; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720dIKb009136 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20030802003913012006rj52e>; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:39:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c3588e$7c90f1a0$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165224.00a4e610@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Victoria gone?????!!!!! Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would rather have a subscription to the jewelry and beading magazine I got a post card for once myself. :( Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re:Victoria gone?????!!!!! : I got a card yesterday, too, telling me that Victoria is gone and they were : switching my subscription to Sunset Magazine for the remainder of my : subscription time. That's OK, I guess, but the least they could have done : is offered me a choice of magazines. I mean, what if I already subscribe to : Sunset? They must have had alternate plans and/or magazines to offer. : : Julie : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 20:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720im0h004032 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720iQ3O002039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720iOKb012436; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h720iIKb012365 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-82-7.kc.rr.com [65.26.82.7]) h720iEHG016946 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:44:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Talia" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <200308012011.26873.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h720iIKb012365 Subject: [h-cost] Setting no mail? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How do I set this list to temporary no-mail? Thanks! Talia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 21:04:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7214Z0h004130 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:04:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h721493O003796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72147Mm023879; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72144Mm023842 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1D736955 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19ikoV-0006if-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:04:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh In-Reply-To: <001301c35837$46fc6ee0$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> <001301c35837$46fc6ee0$6501a8c0@SG01> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:04:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sg wrote: > Gosh, I just have always taken my time to get stuff done. I have one outfit > that is almost two years old and not complete. Enjoy the process! I must > be missing something. Is there some thing about Pennsic in particular that > I should know? I was planning on it for 2004- Well, it's 2 weeks outdoors getting dirty, so most people need a certain number of changes of clothes to feel comfortable. And then, it's a big event and you'll be meeting all sorts of cool people and you'll want to look good, so you'll want to wear *nice* stuff. And then you realise that you want to wear something special for the Ball, and something for such-and-such a party, but you can't wear the same thing twice... but what if the weather's cold, then you'll need a warm gown, or a cloak... and it just balloons like that :) Last year was my first Pennsic. I packed: 7 shifts 7 pairs of stockings 3 petticoats (2 cotton-linen, one flannelette) 5 kirtles - two lightweight linen (one fitted, one loose) - one light-coloured medium-weight wool - one heavyish dark-coloured cotton - one lightweight silk loose kirtle (finished during Pennsic) 2 gowns 6 linen caps of various kinds 3 aprons 2 neckerchers 1 short cape 1 full cloak I was pretty comfortable for 2 weeks. I washed my linens a couple of times during the time I was there, and had clean underthings every day (and sometimes twice a day). I probably could have done with less kirtles if I'd had more lightweight woollen ones instead of linen and cotton - wool just holds up better without needing washing. And if I'd done what I really wanted to do and had a washtub in my camp, I could have cut back a little on underwear, and just done a handwashing load every few days. But you do still need a certain amount of stuff. Yours, Katherine -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@infotrope.net http://infotrope.net/sca/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 21:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7216d0h004142 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7216D3O003913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7216CMm025178; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7216AMm025169 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ikqY-0002Uk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:06:10 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c35892$47efc030$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165733.00a53150@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds very interesting....I've not seen anything like it ...but that doesn't mean anything. Any idea who the artist was? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 22:18:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h722IX0h004465 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:18:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h722I83O011898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h722I6FP007773; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h722I3FP007721 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4301C7CEE for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6A413ABF6; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: prairielark To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Victoria gone?????!!!!! X-Originating-Ip: [205.244.125.33] Message-Id: <20030802021802.6A413ABF6@sitemail.everyone.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's funny! I was switched to "Health." The toll-free number on the card to call if I wanted my subscription refunded was busy all this week, so I finally sent a certified letter to the P.O. Box address instead. I'd just paid up a 2-yr. subscription in March. Sigh. Because of work & travel (I'm away from home as I type), have not had a chance to even leaf thru the June issue (said to be the last). I talked to my husband last nite & he found it under a pile of mail for me so will anxiously leaf thru it for clues when I get home. Phoebe the prairie lark --- Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: >I got a card yesterday, too, telling me that Victoria is gone and they were >switching my subscription to Sunset Magazine for the remainder of my >subscription time. That's OK, I guess, but the least they could have done >is offered me a choice of magazines. I mean, what if I already subscribe to >Sunset? They must have had alternate plans and/or magazines to offer. > >Julie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Herspace.com [[feed your heart * fuel your art]] http://www.herspace.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 22:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h722xe0h004653 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71H0k3O028545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71H0h0O019974; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71H0e0O019882 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.ce.3ac94770 (4116) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:00:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bleh To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:37:18 AM Central Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > My attitude is that it's CAMPING clothes, not a regular wardrobe. When I > camp for real, I don't wear my church or work clothes, I wear old grubby > stuff. Same at Pennsic or other camping events. But they're NICE old grubby > stuff just the same. > That's what I need to do....just make a mess of kirtles-n-gowns, all the same, all FRONT opening. I have one teal linen underkirtle that's back lacing. Never again. Gonna have to Gold Key that mo fo. I presently have one wool gown (That I just ripped the shoulder treatments off of to redo) 1/2 of a wool gown (needs the skirt guards embroidered and the skirt attached to the finished bodice, plus the partlet and sleeves needs the embroidery finished) 1 rose linen kirtle 1 teal linen kirtle 1 purple linen petticoat some skivvies/underpinings OMG, I need to get to work...especially on underwear. I've been doing the SCA thing for, oh, 9 years..and have never, ever, camped. -Sarra Wryght www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 1 23:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7230B0h004663 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:00:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71JDk3O020196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h71JCgm8005197; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h71JCbm8005129 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030801191237.95319.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.157] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:12:37 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Kessler To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: new magazine (was: Victoria gone?????!!!!!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wrote to her recently and got a reply on 7/23 saying that the issue was finished and she just got her own copy in the mail that day, so mine should be along any day. I haven't seen it yet. Anyone else? -Angela --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, prairielark wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where to find out more about > the "Vintage Fashions" > > magazine? --even tho' it may not address all of > these, at least maybe > > it will fulfill my hunger for stunning photos & > detailed studies of > > scrumptious garments. > > Good question. The first issue was scheduled to be > out in May, but I > haven't seen one. Has anyone else? The editor posted > here to offer a free > first issue to anyone who wrote her. (I did.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 00:57:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h724v30h004859 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h724td3O026175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h724tb6n000791; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h724tZ6n000767 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 56030 invoked by uid 1005); 2 Aug 2003 04:55:18 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. 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Processed in 0.151144 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 04:55:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165733.00a53150@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20030802005404.A81283-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This ruffle treatment to the kirtle is not uncommon in later 15th & early 16th c paintings...of course, when it comes to it, I can't think of any particulars to point to. But I know I've seen it in at least six or seven different paintings. I think it's in the Grimani Breviary. Drea On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > >I just came back from the Getty Museum here in Los Angeles. They've got an > >exhibit of illuminated manuscripts from the 15th and 16th century that is > >phenomenal. By the time we got to the last room (which had the best stuff > >in it) my eyes were glazed over, I was on sensory overload. The only > >disappointment was that no picture taking was allowed. Darn!! > > I've got one question that maybe someone can explain. Early 16th century > Flemish peasant garb is not my forte, so I'm somewhat confused. In one > illumination, the scene was of a rowdy group of peasants getting drunk in > the foreground, and a table of pious, sober nobility in the background. > There's a serving girl pouring ale for the peasants. She's wearing a > typical kirtle, and the skirt is tucked up and out of the way, showing off > her petticoat(s), This is what stumped me. Her skirts look suspiciously > full to me, as if there were several layers of stiffened fabric underneath, > but even more surprising than that was the top layer skirt - it was > knife-pleated from the knees down! She also wore over the petticoat what > had to be a dark belt with the tongue hanging down the front almost to the > ground. The belt isn't unusual, to me at least, but the pleated bottom half > of the petticoat was something I've never seen before. > > Now, granted, as I said, that's not my time period, so I haven't made any > kind of exhaustive study of garb of that era, but still looked out of place > to me. > > Is this petticoat unusual or commonplace? > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 01:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7253G0h004888 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:03:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7252Q3O026545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7252P6n004034; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7252K6n003993 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from laptop.ntlworld.com ([80.5.59.66]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ESMTP <20030801174242.UJXL25208.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@laptop.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:42:42 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.14.0.20030801183018.022039a0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.14 (Beta) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:38:43 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <3F2A300F.11889.3C410C60@localhost> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-706E6EFD; boundary="=======4D2A68E9=======" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======4D2A68E9======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-706E6EFD; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 17:17 01/08/2003, you wrote: > > A question for those who have researched H8; how much talk was there > > in the writings of the time about setting aside Katherine before Anne > ...snip... > > also behind the whole divorce thing, stirring up the politics to give > > himself more opportunities. It happened at about the same time. Queen Katherine had her menopause, and it became obvious that she would bear no more children. Henry was younger than Katherine, and had always been concerned with producing an heir. He had an affair with Anne's sister, but it is generally believed that Anne was abroad in France then. When she came home she wanted to marry Henry Percy, and Henry conceived a passion for her, but the alliance was prevented by Cardinal Wolsey, thus incurring Anne's lifelong emnity, but it is probable that Henry had his eye on her and had broken off the alliance. So it happened that Anne was around when Henry became aware that he must look for his heir elsewhere. Cromwell wanted Henry to marry abroad, preferably a French princess, but Henry chose Anne. There is no doubt that he was obsessed by her, but the obsession was not only sexual. Anne's intellect matched his, and until he turned against her he took great delight in that. It's a close run thing. I've seen the account books of Thomas Cromwell (my tiny claim to fame is that I discovered that it was Cromwell who originally employed Holbein at the English court, not Henry) and there are no references to it there. Other paperwork of the period is hard to come by, especially private letters, because of the age of the correspondence and a lot of it is still in private hands, but certainly the appearance of Anne at court and Henry's decision to obtain an annulment (NOT a divorce!) occurred at around the same time. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of it was >Cromwell, as well as some of the others looking for a way to get out >of the association with Spain. Wolsey outlived his usefulness, and Cromwell, the Machiavellian pragmatist, was ready to take over. He was the best servant Henry could have hoped for, but when he tried to overstep the mark, his days were numbered. Henry was the ultimate alpha male. Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT Award winning Historical Romance author. 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YORKSHIRE, DEVONSHIRE and now VENICE VANESSA from Awe-Struck books http://www.geocities.com/lynne_connolly2001/ --=======4D2A68E9======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======4D2A68E9=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 10:31:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72EV30h010162 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:31:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72EKQpa007239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72EKMb3023879; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pop02.sprintmail.com [207.217.120.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72EKIb3023831 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-16-62.o1.jps.net ([216.119.16.62] helo=pavilion) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ixF3-000584-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 07:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c35901$4a9628a0$3e1077d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <018301c35720$3f3c6b00$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lion King Tickets Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:20:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO TKTS is about the only way I know of for an outsider to get discount theatre tickets and I used to work for a ticket agency in New York quite a number of years back. Sometimes the box offices will sell student discount tickets, especially to mantinees, in the nosebleed section but at least you get to sit down, top shows included. A hotel package can give you an overall good deal, but you will pay more over all too. Ticket agencies nearly always cost more because they pay full price from the box office like anyone else and add their service change on, so if the box office is giving you $100 and you don't have a group that you can attach yourself to and you want to see the show, you're probably going to have to pay. Finding a group might help if that group bought their tickets directly from the box office is about the only way I know of to get a price break and it was pretty slim, but 9/11 might have changed all that now. The box offices give people in the industry free tickets so they can sell their shows with some first hand knowledge, maybe you could chat up the box office attendent! :) I used to go to the theatre 2 or 3 times a week. It was a super perk. Good luck! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Lion King Tickets > Does anyone know of a cheaper way to get tickets to The Lion King on > Broadway? The tickets through the box office for the Orchestra area are > $100. You can't do the mid-day rush for cheaper tickets for this show > except for Standing Room Only. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 13:19:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72HJn0h010609 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72HJLpa021648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72HJKht016115; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72HJHht016103 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB7736974 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19j02G-0007eg-00 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:19:16 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question In-Reply-To: <002401c35892$47efc030$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801165733.00a53150@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> <002401c35892$47efc030$6501a8c0@SG01> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:19:16 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saragrace wrote: > Sounds very interesting....I've not seen anything like it ...but that > doesn't mean anything. Any idea who the artist was? Isn't this the now-slightly-notorious style copied (without explanation/documentation) in that "Medieval Tailors Assistant" book? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 14:52:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Iqb0h010789 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Iq8pa029356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Iq66H000685; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Iq46H000661 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19j1U3-0001rA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:52:03 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:52:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35927$2fb232b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] 2000 year old cosmetic oinment discovered X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I heard about this on NPR (National Public Radio for those of you accross the ponds). Thought you might be interested. Apparently there are fingermarks in the oinment. http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm350549.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 14:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72IxL0h010808 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Iwtpa029958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72IwtLV003651; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72IwpLV003628 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19j1ac-0001iD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:58:50 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c35928$2271e7c0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Tailors Assistant...Was:15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wondered that myself.... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kirrily Robert Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Saragrace wrote: > Sounds very interesting....I've not seen anything like it ...but that > doesn't mean anything. Any idea who the artist was? Isn't this the now-slightly-notorious style copied (without explanation/documentation) in that "Medieval Tailors Assistant" book? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 15:05:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72J5u0h010828 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:05:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72J5Vpa000723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72J5ULV006603; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72J5RLV006562 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19j1h0-0001Rj-00; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:05:26 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:05:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c35929$0e2039b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: fashionreporting@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag...Wahhooo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h72J5u0h010828 Status: RO I just got my free copy of the first Vintage Fashion Mag...I have not yet perused it, but it is already delicious to look at. There are some exceptionally executed costumes. Gives us a goal to aspire to...yum. They also review a couple of period films in production...I hope they keep this section. I am definately going to subscribe...this will be a real boon to amatuer historical costumers. I can't wait to read about some of you in it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 15:26:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72JQ20h010853 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:26:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72JPepa002232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72JPdLV015667; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72JPbLV015588 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.19b.18b567cd (16335) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.18b567cd.2c5d6a28@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] new magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got my issues of Vintage Fashion on the 23rd; someone just emailed me that she had gotten her copy (and was really pleased!) so you should all be receiving your's in the mail, too. I very carefully added all of your names and addresses to our mailing list - whichever ones I had. Please give it a a few more days. I suppose there's always a chance that someone slipped through the cracks and I don't want that to happen - so if you haven't received your issue in the mail by the end of the week, please let me know and I'll have one sent out to you straight from the publishing office. Best, Julia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 17:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72Lv70h011204 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72LtNpa014657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72LtKSM026534; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72LtHSM026501 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19j4LM-000BgY-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:55:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:11:43 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2000 year old cosmetic oinment discovered References: <000001c35927$2fb232b0$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <000001c35927$2fb232b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We had pictures - it really is amazing, it looks just like any tub of face cream or ointment in your bathroom, with the fingermarks from the last time it was used. I hope they give as much publicity once they've analysed it and find out what it was! Jean Saragrace T. Knauf wrote >I heard about this on NPR (National Public Radio for those of you accross >the ponds). Thought you might be interested. Apparently there are >fingermarks in the oinment. > >http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm350549.html >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 19:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NXJ0h011436 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:33:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NUSdD000611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NUCoF012935; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NU6oF012862 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 207-237-35-251.s251.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([207.237.35.251] helo=rcn.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19j5p7-0006mC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3F2C497C.4060503@rcn.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:30:04 -0400 From: Catelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200308021803.h72I396J009115@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question (Kirrily Robert) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >From: Kirrily Robert > >Saragrace wrote: > > >>Sounds very interesting....I've not seen anything like it ...but that >>doesn't mean anything. Any idea who the artist was? >> >> > >Isn't this the now-slightly-notorious style copied (without >explanation/documentation) in that "Medieval Tailors Assistant" book? > >K. > > Yup. The attendant in a "Bathsheba stepping out from her bath" has either a self-flounce or a transparent overlay from hem to below her knees on her undergown. Not knife-pleated, but has narrow tucks at the top of it to allow it to spread below. Can't remember the artist for the life of me, but definately a Northern Renaissance artist. I've seen maybe as many as 2-3% of underlayer gowns depicted with the below-knee line, maybe a lower percentage. This is mostly in manuscript illuminations and marginalia, as that is where most of the surviving pictures may be found. This is mostly after an examination of French Painting in the Age of Jean de Berry: The Limbourgs and their Contemporaries" by Millard Meiss. Do look for Mr. Meiss's books; they've Lots of pictures. Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 19:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NxC0h011466 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:59:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NwZdD003375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NwYNI026435; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h72NwVNI026356 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.6d.167ee3e8 (2612) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.167ee3e8.2c5daa1d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:58:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2000 year old cosmetic oinment discovered To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2003 2:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > heard about this on NPR (National Public Radio for those of you accross > the ponds). Thought you might be interested. Apparently there are > fingermarks in the oinment. > Fascinating! Thanks for sharing. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 20:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730HD0h011498 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730FZdD004872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730FYNI004835; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730FVNJ004800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h730G6bh029216 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:16:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h730G62k029214 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:16:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question (Kirrily Robert) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:16:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200308021803.h72I396J009115@net.indra.com> <3F2C497C.4060503@rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <3F2C497C.4060503@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308022016.05649.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h730FVNJ004800 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:30 pm, Catelli wrote: > > The attendant in a "Bathsheba stepping out from her bath" has either a > self-flounce or a transparent overlay from hem to below her knees on her > undergown. Not knife-pleated, but has narrow tucks at the top of it to > allow it to spread below. Can't remember the artist for the life of me, > but definately a Northern Renaissance artist. Is this the painting you mean? If it is, the artist is Hans Memling: http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/m/memling/3mature2/25nobath.html You can get the picture nice and large by clicking on the image. I note that the same color fabric appears inside the v-neck of the olive colored gown, which suggests that the salmon colored garment with the line below the knees is an underkirtle of some kind. I see what you all mean about pleats or tucks, but I'm not convinced that that is what's being depicted. At most, I see a band of matching fabric loosely gathered onto the bottom of the skirt, possibly a way of getting as much sweep out of limited fabric as possible. However, I'm no expert in this period, and would cheerfully welcome opinions from those who are. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 20:59:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730x60h011564 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:59:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730vTdD008395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730vR5Q023541; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:57:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h730vO5Q023513 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p95-nas15.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.223] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19j7BZ-00013e-00; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:57:22 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c3595a$30e97200$dfceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308021803.h72I396J009115@net.indra.com><3F2C497C.4060503@rcn.com> <200308022016.05649.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:57:18 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> It's also nowhere near her knee which is what the original post was about. It's a flounce on the bottom of the skirt. These are seen in a huge number of paintings/illuminations, and it seems it was more common than no flounce/turn up. While it may be a bit perplexing (self fabric? Turned up from the raw edges of the hem? Decorative? Functional?) It is not so out there as a flounce from the knee: "Her skirts look suspiciously full to me, as if there were several layers of stiffened fabric underneath, but even more surprising than that was the top layer skirt - it was knife-pleated from the knees down! " That is odd. And sounds rather different from the ubiquitous flounce at the hem of 15thC kirtles. I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a seam at the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another interesting variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to hunt for the attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may put these online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so there may only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was researching my own burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than an actual focus. I'd really like to know the actual reference for the knee down pleated kirtle. It was at the Getty right? It might not be one of the ones online but there are some at the site "Illuminating the Renaisance." michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 21:21:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h731LC0h011587 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h731JVdD010211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h731JQ5Q003596; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h731JO5Q003582 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19j7Wt-00013v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:19:23 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:19:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c3595d$4c2687d0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002f01c3595a$30e97200$dfceadcb@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h731JO5Q003582 Subject: [h-cost] Michaela - 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd be interested in any pictures you can post.... Sg That is odd. And sounds rather different from the ubiquitous flounce at the hem of 15thC kirtles. I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a seam at the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another interesting variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to hunt for the attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may put these online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so there may only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was researching my own burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than an actual focus. I'd really like to know the actual reference for the knee down pleated kirtle. It was at the Getty right? It might not be one of the ones online but there are some at the site "Illuminating the Renaisance." michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 2 22:15:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h732Fa0h011666 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h732DvdD014023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h732DuXN026686; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h732DkXO026628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h732Dwbh029408 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h732DqBM029406 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:13:52 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:13:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200308021803.h72I396J009115@net.indra.com> <200308022016.05649.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002f01c3595a$30e97200$dfceadcb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <002f01c3595a$30e97200$dfceadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308022213.52033.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h732DkXO026628 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 02 August 2003 08:57 pm, michaela wrote: > < http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/m/memling/3mature2/25nobath.html > You can get the picture nice and large by clicking on the image. > > I see what you all mean about pleats or tucks, but I'm not convinced that > that > is what's being depicted. At most, I see a band of matching fabric loosely > gathered onto the bottom of the skirt, possibly a way of getting as much > sweep out of limited fabric as possible.>> > > It's also nowhere near her knee which is what the original post was about. > It's a flounce on the bottom of the skirt. True. >These are seen in a huge number > of paintings/illuminations, and it seems it was more common than no > flounce/turn up. That I hadn't known. I was only trying to find an image of the Bathsheba painting referred to by another correspondent. [snip] > I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a seam > at the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another > interesting variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to hunt > for the attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may > put these online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so > there may only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was > researching my own burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than > an actual focus. If you have a URL for that painting/those paintings (whichever it is), that would be a useful addition to the discussion. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 01:36:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h735a70h011974 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h735XFdD028726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h735XCgu023872; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h735X8gu023781 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs ([68.109.3.201]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030803032313.QKIS24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@downstairs> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:23:13 -0400 From: "Anne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag...Wahhooo Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:22:41 -0400 Organization: Anne Message-ID: <000001c3596e$87174670$0200a8c0@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c35929$0e2039b0$6501a8c0@SG01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So what does one have to do to get this magazine? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace T. Knauf Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: fashionreporting@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag...Wahhooo I just got my free copy of the first Vintage Fashion Mag...I have not yet perused it, but it is already delicious to look at. There are some exceptionally executed costumes. Gives us a goal to aspire to...yum. They also review a couple of period films in production...I hope they keep this section. I am definately going to subscribe...this will be a real boon to amatuer historical costumers. I can't wait to read about some of you in it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 08:32:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73CWI0h024933 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:32:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73CSkdD029419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73CSfoG002327; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73CSboG002256 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jHyW-0000oW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 05:28:36 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Subject: FW: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag...Wahhooo Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c359ba$ca0d1530$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h73CSboG002256 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try writing Julia at 'fashionreporting@aol.com'. I don't know if you can still get the free copies...but. I will send you the subscription addy when I get back from my riding lesson... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Anne Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:23 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag...Wahhooo Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 14:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IKx0h028311 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IHudD025017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IHt2v004688; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IHp2v004624 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.d.1614d0ee (18403) for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:17:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Everybody: There have been a couple of questions about how to get the magazine so I thought it might be smart to post the info. here. The first issue of Vintage Fashion has already gone out; for those of you who didn't get on to our mailing list, you can call our 800 number to subscribe or to get a single copy. That number is 800-232-2224. By the way, we've got a classified ad section which is good both for people with services or product to offer AND people looking for specific services or product. We're going out to thousands of historical reproduction costume designers and makers as WELL as actual vintage couture/historical costume collectors and dealers...so you never know, someone out there might have an incredible dress from the early 20th, 19th or even 18th centuries that they're interested in selling or trading/barter. Also, if you've got news you think should be reported in the next issue of the magazine, please feel free to send us a press release or an email (fashionreporting@aol.com) Thanks for your support, everyone! Best, Julia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 14:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IvH0h028397 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IsRdD028063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IsQ2v022007; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73IsN2v021979 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19jNzq-000Mpk-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:54:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seams - to finish or not to finish References: <1D4B7F12.6B2523CB.349D0FDF@cs.com> In-Reply-To: <1D4B7F12.6B2523CB.349D0FDF@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was on holiday when this thread was active, so didn't follow it up, however now I find it's more topical than expected. I'm making a dress with a not-very-fulled wool, which is certainly going to fray on the edges which are on the grain. It's too thick to use any finishing technique that doubles the fabric over, especially because I have double gores going into the armhole. Constance and someone else mentioned fulling as a seam finish. Did you mean that you can full the raw edge after making up? If so, please can you explain how? Or did you just mean using fabric that is sufficiently fulled not to fray in the first place? It's not a fully hand-sewn dress, so failing other solutions I will just press flat and zigzag each edge, but it would be nice to use a period solution if possible. Jean ConstanceFairfax@cs.com wrote >I've been involved in some debates lately over the >importance/authenticity of finishing seams. > >I was asked to judge an entry that was made of the most beautiful hand >woven (by the entrant), slightly fulled diamond lozenge wool. When I >lifted the tunic, the front gore and rear gore were bulky in an odd way >and I turned to the inside & ALL of the seams were frenched. I talked >to the entrant later about other construction techniques and the >entrant agreed the frenching (unneccessary for this fabric) caused the >problems with the gore. Someone had told the entrant that it was >proper to french those seams and if she did not she would lose points. > >*I* have also had people ask me "how did you finish that seam" - my >reply is usually, "I ironed it flat" and occasionally, "I ironed it >flat and fulled" The last time, the asker replied with a disappointed >"Oh. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk." I haven't had any problem with the unfinished >seams of linen shirts raveling...or wool dresses. > >Certainly, there are instances that you'd want to finish a seam - if >there's high stress, if you're using old or fine silk, etc...but WOOL >on a non-stressed seam? And, if you must finish the seam, why not do >it in a more documentable way? Is this a "serger mentality"? > >Constance >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 15:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73J950h028420 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73J6EdD028821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73J6Dbn026988; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73J6Abo026946 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h73J69cd016755 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:06:10 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.43.163]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 14:06:09 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <02aa01c359f2$493b5a10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm making my first stab into Margo's patterns (hi!) by making the high-necked partlet out of handkerchief weight linen. As suggested in the pattern, I'm going to embroider before I cut out. Question: This fabric tends to crawl and I think even putting it in the hoop could pull it off grain. Is there such a thing as a temporary fusible web that I can use until I'm done embroidering? I'm going to use fusible interfacing on the collar so I'm more worried about holding the front of the partlet "still" but still being able to remove the stabilizer for drape. I remember a thread on this previously, but did not save my emails :( Please feel free to reply off list. Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 15:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73JXZ0h028488 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:33:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73JUgdD001096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73JUbbn008609; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emailantivirus (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h73JUXbn008552 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net ([199.171.27.7]) by emailantivirus with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:31:33 -0400 Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-104.gti.net [208.216.115.104]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id DE8EE35728 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F2D62C9.2241027F@gti.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:30:17 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag- tell us more References: <000001c359ba$ca0d1530$6501a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO SO...tell us more about the new magazine...What are the titles of some of the articles? How are the pictures? Is it all costuming or are there antique garments & textiles in it as well? Is it as great as the late, great 'Ladies' Gallery'? Can't wait to get mine... Deb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 16:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73Ket0h028625 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:40:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73KaddD006975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73KabWa009780; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h73KaWWa009744 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-75-146.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.122.75.146 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 20:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c359ff$5a31c6d0$924b7a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02aa01c359f2$493b5a10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:39:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There absolutely is. Both spray on and fusible support for embroidery can be found at www.nancysnotions.com as well as a number of other sites. angela Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." The Merry Wives of Windsor, III, iv - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? > I'm making my first stab into Margo's patterns (hi!) by making the > high-necked partlet out of handkerchief weight linen. As suggested in the > pattern, I'm going to embroider before I cut out. > > Question: This fabric tends to crawl and I think even putting it in the hoop > could pull it off grain. Is there such a thing as a temporary fusible web > that I can use until I'm done embroidering? I'm going to use fusible > interfacing on the collar so I'm more worried about holding the front of the > partlet "still" but still being able to remove the stabilizer for drape. > > I remember a thread on this previously, but did not save my emails :( Please > feel free to reply off list. > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 17:02:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73L2H0h028679 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73KxQdD009164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73KxOjw021138; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73KxLjw021109 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-28.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.28] helo=pavilion) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jPwm-0003FE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:59:21 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c35a02$36b3e6e0$1c0e77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02aa01c359f2$493b5a10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can do a couple of things, get a spray stabalizer or if that is not enough, attach disolvable stablizer (or tear away but I personally hate the tearaway stuff) with temporary adhesive (found in a spray can) which is what I use for blackwork all the time on the machine. Works super, but then of course there is more financial outlay for your project. I'd also suggest the starch method if you aren't planning on sewing the garment before you have a chance to wash the starch out. I mean the cook it up in a pot starch not the spray on kind. It works great and costs hardly anything at all. I'd hesistate to sew a garment with heavy starch on it, wash the starch out first. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? > I'm making my first stab into Margo's patterns (hi!) by making the > high-necked partlet out of handkerchief weight linen. As suggested in the > pattern, I'm going to embroider before I cut out. > > Question: This fabric tends to crawl and I think even putting it in the hoop > could pull it off grain. Is there such a thing as a temporary fusible web > that I can use until I'm done embroidering? I'm going to use fusible > interfacing on the collar so I'm more worried about holding the front of the > partlet "still" but still being able to remove the stabilizer for drape. > > I remember a thread on this previously, but did not save my emails :( Please > feel free to reply off list. > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 19:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NjY0h029024 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:45:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NhcdD023434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NhYXe010403; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NhUXe010362 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m168.in-tch.com [216.166.191.168]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h73NNsL13716 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F2D9E8D.9796941C@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:45:17 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? References: <02aa01c359f2$493b5a10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd think your to-be-chosen stabilizing method would depend on what type of embroidery you're going to be doing on it--machine? hand? counted thread? surface? I'd be more concerned, personally, about keeping stuff stable if I were working on a machine (faster and more potential for damage/problems before you catch the error and correct it), but that's me, and my machine... If you're going to do spots of embroidery and are concerned about the spots lining up properly, maybe you could use one of the spray-on stabilizers someone else mentioned, and while your fabric is all neat and stiff, mark your embroidery areas with basting threads or something--then your areas would all be lined up properly, and you could embroider as needed (and wash out the stabilizer, if you wanted). You could also use a tear-away stabilizer, or even one of the dissolvable ones (brand I know is called "Solvy")--I've seen the latter used to make machine-embroidered "lace" quite successfully. Of course, when using one of these stabilizers, you'd need to be careful with the grain as you were attaching the stabilizer.... I use plain ole' handkerchief linen and an embroidery hoop for my blackwork, and if the grain gets off when I shift the hoop to a new part, all I have to do is loosen the hoop slightly, and tug the fabric back into line, and then tighten the hoop again. But I have the advantage of being atrociously near-sighted (I can seen the individual threads in the fabric), and the advantage of a linear embroidery style, which you may or may not be working with. Whatever you choose, good luck! And let us see pictures! --sue, confirmed addict to everyone else's dress diaries.... "A.Thurman" wrote: > > I'm making my first stab into Margo's patterns (hi!) by making the > high-necked partlet out of handkerchief weight linen. As suggested in the > pattern, I'm going to embroider before I cut out. > > Question: This fabric tends to crawl and I think even putting it in the hoop > could pull it off grain. Is there such a thing as a temporary fusible web > that I can use until I'm done embroidering? I'm going to use fusible > interfacing on the collar so I'm more worried about holding the front of the > partlet "still" but still being able to remove the stabilizer for drape. > > I remember a thread on this previously, but did not save my emails :( Please > feel free to reply off list. > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 19:50:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73No90h029043 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:50:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NmZdD023805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NmYXe012562; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h73NmVXe012511 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m168.in-tch.com [216.166.191.168]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h73NStL15092 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F2D9FBB.F52697BE@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:50:19 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seams - to finish or not to finish References: <1D4B7F12.6B2523CB.349D0FDF@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Jean. I think they probably meant, using a sufficiently fulled fabric in the first place.... What about covering the raw edges of your seams with a narrow binding made of a not-bulky fabric? I know that binding (cut on the grain, not on the bias) was sometimes used to finish edges like necklines... Or maybe, finish the raw edges with a stitch like buttonhole or blanket stitch, like a medieval version of serging? --sue Jean Waddie wrote: > > I was on holiday when this thread was active, so didn't follow it up, > however now I find it's more topical than expected. > > I'm making a dress with a not-very-fulled wool, which is certainly going > to fray on the edges which are on the grain. It's too thick to use any > finishing technique that doubles the fabric over, especially because I > have double gores going into the armhole. Constance and someone else > mentioned fulling as a seam finish. Did you mean that you can full the > raw edge after making up? If so, please can you explain how? Or did > you just mean using fabric that is sufficiently fulled not to fray in > the first place? > > It's not a fully hand-sewn dress, so failing other solutions I will just > press flat and zigzag each edge, but it would be nice to use a period > solution if possible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 20:02:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7402B0h029078 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:02:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7400UdD024655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7400TL3017971; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7400PL3017950 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.164]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h740NlP09257 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:23:47 +1000 Message-ID: <00f901c35a1b$de3f19c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1D4B7F12.6B2523CB.349D0FDF@cs.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seams - to finish or not to finish Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:03:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jean, You could also cover it with a strip of tape - I've seen/done this finish on several 16-17th century doublets/cotes where the made-up sleeve is joined to the made-up body. This doesn't add to the bulk of the seam. You'd have to hand-sew it. I've used a hemming stitch without problem, and it took no time at all. I recently got a reel of 1/2" linen tape from a bookbinding supplier- not dirt cheap, but it's SO fun to use. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seams - to finish or not to finish > I was on holiday when this thread was active, so didn't follow it up, > however now I find it's more topical than expected. > > I'm making a dress with a not-very-fulled wool, which is certainly going > to fray on the edges which are on the grain. It's too thick to use any > finishing technique that doubles the fabric over, especially because I > have double gores going into the armhole. Constance and someone else > mentioned fulling as a seam finish. Did you mean that you can full the > raw edge after making up? If so, please can you explain how? Or did > you just mean using fabric that is sufficiently fulled not to fray in > the first place? > > It's not a fully hand-sewn dress, so failing other solutions I will just > press flat and zigzag each edge, but it would be nice to use a period > solution if possible. > > Jean > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 21:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h741Mw0h029190 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h741FgdD001139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h741FeAZ022452; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h741FaAZ022403 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p36-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.100] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19jTwj-0005Ib-00; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:15:34 +1200 Message-ID: <003401c35a25$e8419dd0$64a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1D4B7F12.6B2523CB.349D0FDF@cs.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seams - to finish or not to finish Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:15:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's not a fully hand-sewn dress, so failing other solutions I will just > press flat and zigzag each edge, but it would be nice to use a period > solution if possible. Herringbone stitch:) You'd be amazed how well it binds edges and stops them from fraying yet is invisible on the outside if you have a sufficiently thick wool. This is what I used on my Burgundian: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/burgundian.htm and my latest Leyden inspired dress: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/leyden.htm Both wools are fulled enough to be blanket warm (one is a blanket;) ) but not to the point of being like felt. Herringbone stitch is documenatable and is just as fast as whipping the edges, and makes things much neater. http://www.viking-experience.co.uk/authenticity/basickit/annex3.html (fig 39e and 42c) http://amol.org.au/recollections/2/1/19.htm scroll down. http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/sewing-msg.html this is quite long so I'll paste little bits, and hope you read the whole this so it's not too out of context:): " Margrethe Hald's book "Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials" notes seams done in running stitch, herringbone stitch, and twisted buttonhole stitch. There are also viking-era items with a decorative seam-joining done in "raised fishbone stitch" (a more heavily overlapped version of herringbone). Edge-finishes include overcast (whip) stitch and buttonhole. Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn " "Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn wrote: >There are also viking-era items with a decorative seam-joining done in >"raised fishbone stitch" (a more heavily overlapped version of herringbone). This is my stitch of choice for quick sewing, since it binds the edges at the same time as making the structural join. Looks good too. Jennifer Geard Christchurch, New Zealand " hehehm a fellow kiwi doing the same thing, how cool:) http://www.42nd-dimension.com/NFPS/nfps_stitches.html http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/asvembroid.html http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/archaeological_sewing.html scroll down to wool edge finishes (38) It's a pretty invaluable stitch because it is so versatile. And you don't have to worry about adding bulk etc. If you work it closely and only take small back stitches that pick up a few threads you can make it unintrusive on the outside. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 3 23:59:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h743x30h029488 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h743vPdD012861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h743vNeD002275; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law8-oe38.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.95]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h743vKeD002238 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:57:14 -0700 Received: from 24.201.196.91 by law8-oe38.law8.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:57:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.201.196.91] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:58:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2003 03:57:14.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DABBB10:01C35A3C] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you > manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? T-tunics. Without trim or anything. Then when I have enough, I can start to make some beautiful pieces of clothing :-) Alternative method is to make a bunch of undertunics and change every day, but always wear the same two outer tunics. That's what I did, because that's all I had. And when my undertunics were all spent, I wore one of the outer ones as an innner one. Other method is to make laundry runs every three days :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 03:43:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h747ha0h027807 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h747fwdD029884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h747fs0d010283; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h747fn0d010253 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p222-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.217.222] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19jZyV-0007vG-00; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:41:47 +1200 Message-ID: <000701c35a5b$dae54c50$ded9adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c3595d$4c2687d0$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Michaela - 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:41:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'd be interested in any pictures you can post.... > Sg I was right, I was getting two images muddled. It is indeed an illumination, and she is wearing something orange.. so it's one image I think. I mean I don't think I have two. Unless I saw one in Cite de Dieu I suppose;) http://glittersweet.com/aDSCN1848.jpg It is a big file for something so little, so I'm going to have to do some file shrinking I think. And of course this is actually Flemish most likely. I was thinking of another painting that was German. While it's true there is no line drawn as a seam at the hip, but the gathers suggest that there is one. Unless of course the bodice has a series of vertical pleats that are open from the hip;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com > I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a seam at > the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another interesting > variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to hunt for the > attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may put these > online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so there may > only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was researching my own > burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than an actual focus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 08:05:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74C5L0h001868 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74C3ZdD019407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74C3UZl029809; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74C3SZl029756 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a246.in-tch.com [66.62.107.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h74BhqL26690 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 05:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F2E4C00.ABD2A23D@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:05:20 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Michaela - 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question References: <000001c3595d$4c2687d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <000701c35a5b$dae54c50$ded9adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the picture--it helps! They almost look more like lots of folds rather than gathers. Like a skirt version of some of the folds/fullness one sees in some of the Italian garments on men (I'm thinking of the ItalianRen ones that look like descendants of houpelandes.) Could the effect be caused by the insertion of a number of gores, all starting at *that* line around her hips? --sue michaela wrote: > > > I'd be interested in any pictures you can post.... > > Sg > > I was right, I was getting two images muddled. It is indeed an illumination, > and she is wearing something orange.. so it's one image I think. I mean I > don't think I have two. Unless I saw one in Cite de Dieu I suppose;) > > http://glittersweet.com/aDSCN1848.jpg > It is a big file for something so little, so I'm going to have to do some > file shrinking I think. > > And of course this is actually Flemish most likely. I was thinking of > another painting that was German. > > While it's true there is no line drawn as a seam at the hip, but the gathers > suggest that there is one. Unless of course the bodice has a series of > vertical pleats that are open from the hip;) > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a seam > at > > the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another interesting > > variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to hunt for the > > attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may put these > > online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so there > may > > only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was researching my own > > burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than an actual focus. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 09:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74DAg0h002015 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74D8vdD026501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74D8urA002799; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74D8rrA002772 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lgsteph (AS53-01-01.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.1]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h74D8og18414 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01c35a8a$0a1d87c0$0107d1d8@lgsteph> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200308041204.h74C45Zm000130@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my opinion the best thing to do would be not to stabilize at all, not to use a hoop at all, rather to embroider the uncut square of cloth on which the parlet pieces are traced using a scroll bar frame. By doing so you won't damage the fabric or the stitches in a hoop, as well as being closer to constructing your garment in an historical fashion which only leads to an upswing in your learning curve. I embroider all my garments, whether historic costumes or my own creative interpretations for modern wear, on a reproduction embroidery frame. But certainly you could get away with a smaller, modern scroll bar frame. I think you'll be so very satisfied with the results. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 09:47:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74DlU0h002093 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74DjjdD001388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74DjhrA025262; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74DjcrA025176 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-002-128.jps.net ([216.119.2.128] helo=pavilion) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jfeb-0006FZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:45:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c35a8e$cabac700$800277d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308041204.h74C45Zm000130@net.indra.com> <006c01c35a8a$0a1d87c0$0107d1d8@lgsteph> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:46:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lorna wrote: > In my opinion the best thing to do would be not to stabilize at all, not > to use a hoop at all, rather to embroider the uncut square of cloth on which > the parlet pieces are traced using a scroll bar frame. By doing so you won't > damage the fabric or the stitches in a hoop, as well as being closer to > constructing your garment in an historical fashion which only leads to an > upswing in your learning curve. I embroider all my garments, whether > historic costumes or my own creative interpretations for modern wear, on a > reproduction embroidery frame. But certainly you could get away with a > smaller, modern scroll bar frame. I think you'll be so very satisfied with > the results. > Oh my, I had a look at those reproduction frames you are talking about on your site http://www.5rivers.org/ under Catalogue/embroidery supplies. How beautiful that frame is! Looks like a photo of you perhaps under "garments and textiles" too. Drool............. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74FHe0h002392 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:17:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74FFpdD017036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74FFldh027889; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74FFhdh027825 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jh3m-0004Hm-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:15:43 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Michaela - 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:15:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c35a9b$4e7e5a00$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000701c35a5b$dae54c50$ded9adcb@michaela> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74FFhdh027825 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, I see...thank you. Nothing much surprises me anymore...I keep coming back to my Historian friend's quote..."If you thought of it, they probably did too." -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Michaela - 15th/16th cen. peasant kirtle question > I'd be interested in any pictures you can post.... > Sg I was right, I was getting two images muddled. It is indeed an illumination, and she is wearing something orange.. so it's one image I think. I mean I don't think I have two. Unless I saw one in Cite de Dieu I suppose;) http://glittersweet.com/aDSCN1848.jpg It is a big file for something so little, so I'm going to have to do some file shrinking I think. And of course this is actually Flemish most likely. I was thinking of another painting that was German. While it's true there is no line drawn as a seam at the hip, but the gathers suggest that there is one. Unless of course the bodice has a series of vertical pleats that are open from the hip;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com > I did come across a painting from around 1500 that was German with a > seam at > the hip and the skirt gathered on from there, which is another > interesting variation (I do have it scanned in my files but I need to > hunt for the > attribution;) ) I think I saw it in an illunination too... I may put these > online if anyone is interested. I may have mixed up two images so there may > only be one image of course;) It was at the time I was researching my > own burgundian ensemble so it more of a side interest than an actual > focus. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 13:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HIH0h002709 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HGZdD005718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HGQB2007458; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsrelay04.mx.net (cmsrelay04.mx.net [165.212.11.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h74HGLB2007295 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 17:16:15 -0000 Received: from uwdvg013.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.13] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 096HHDRqm0158M37; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:16:12 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.13 AUTO younganne@usa.net uwdvg013.cms.usa.net Received: from 206.163.135.253 [206.163.135.253] by uwdvg013.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.6.07); Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:16:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:16:11 -0700 From: Shea Young To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.6.07) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <136HHDRqL0400S13.1060017371@uwdvg013.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74HGLB2007295 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Julia, just wondering if my copy made it out. I haven't received anything. Thanks, Shea Youngs 7107 N. Campbell Ave. Portland, OR 97217-5613 JAzo478796@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everybody: > There have been a couple of questions about how to get the magazine so I > thought it might be smart to post the info. here. The first issue of Vintage > Fashion has already gone out; for those of you who didn't get on to our mailing > list, you can call our 800 number to subscribe or to get a single copy. That > number is 800-232-2224. By the way, we've got a classified ad section which is > good both for people with services or product to offer AND people looking for > specific services or product. We're going out to thousands of historical > reproduction costume designers and makers as WELL as actual vintage > couture/historical costume collectors and dealers...so you never know, someone out there > might have an incredible dress from the early 20th, 19th or even 18th centuries > that they're interested in selling or trading/barter. Also, if you've got news > you think should be reported in the next issue of the magazine, please feel > free to send us a press release or an email (fashionreporting@aol.com) > Thanks for your support, everyone! > Best, Julia > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Shea Young ~ ~ ~ ~ "As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. JUMP! It is not as wide as you think." ~ Joesph Campbell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 13:29:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HTg0h002731 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:29:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HS0dD007256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HRuB2016697; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74HRoB2016566 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.6c.3045fc7e (4426) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.3045fc7e.2c5ff18f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:27:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Rondinella Olsen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All, I just got back from Costume College, (I had a ball, by the way.) I was wondering if anyone knew how to get ahold of Rondinella Olsen? If so, you please send me her e-mail address or ask her to contact me at this address? Thank you in Advance, Kit If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - Kenneth Cole Kit If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - Kenneth Cole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 14:42:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74Ig90h003050 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74IeNdD017543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74IeEFQ016398; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74IeAFQ016272 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:11 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <445E782ED9213F40922903173696C88409BD6D@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 466 Thread-Index: AcNXDx27AUT6lcq/TCuJcBHJBbwMnQDqAKCg From: "Sunny Buchler" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74IeAFQ016272 Subject: [h-cost] looking for Dawn X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for taking up the bandwidth -- Dawn could you e-mail me privately about Ghawazee coats? Thanks! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 16:48:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74KmS0h003748 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74KkkdD004362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74KkgQP025546; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h74KkdQP025460 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWkpN2Dj1CnMbiN5/lO+MFsTHmo3ztaxz4w==">; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:45:49 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6R2D6KN; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:45:49 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:46:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine] Message-ID: <20030804.164636.-195461.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I signed up for the free copy and never got it. Is it worth buying from a newsstand? Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 17:28:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LSu0h003990 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LP1ev009249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LEpaP021884; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LElaP021798 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.9f.3c0b5f19 (4552) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.3c0b5f19.2c6026c0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:14:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, Two things (Well, sort of three): First, for anyone working on clothing/costumes in the Asian cultures, eBay seller artmedia88 has three pages of books, several of which are textile in nature (I was searching for Elizabethan stuff but got distracted ) I'm attempting to compile a list of authors of "costume" and historical clothing books. Specifically, who to avoid, and who to cleave to. Thus far I have a very small list. It's a rather broad-reaching question, I know, but what I am attempting to do is put up a page on my website for beginners (like me!) who want to know who to avoid, and who's worth getting from the library or purchasing. Thus far, I have: Avoid: Punch (satire), Rassonier, Iris Brooke, Kholer, and Herbert Norris Sometimes: Vecellio (primary only for Italy) Primary/good: Bradfield, Janet Arnold, Phyllis and C. Willing (or William?) Cunnington, Jane Ashelford Small list! Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England during the Tudor and/or Elizabethan eras? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 17:57:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LvI0h004048 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LtbdD013959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LtYGJ029026; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74LtTGJ028952 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jnIe-0006Cu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:55:28 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:55:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c35ad3$275691d0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <9f.3c0b5f19.2c6026c0@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74LtTGJ028952 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes actually, surprisingly I can! The Hardwick Textiles by Santina M. Levy has a picture of a Chinese Silk Damask cushion cover. (Figure 25 the back and Figure 59 the front) The back fabric is clearly labled as Chinese, the front could be, but is not specified as such. The immediate issue which will come up is whether or not a cushion cover can be directly related to textiles used for garb. There are several examaples of garb where the textiles come from furniture....and vice versa... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of IceGirlNIN@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Hello all, Two things (Well, sort of three): First, for anyone working on clothing/costumes in the Asian cultures, eBay seller artmedia88 has three pages of books, several of which are textile in nature (I was searching for Elizabethan stuff but got distracted ) I'm attempting to compile a list of authors of "costume" and historical clothing books. Specifically, who to avoid, and who to cleave to. Thus far I have a very small list. It's a rather broad-reaching question, I know, but what I am attempting to do is put up a page on my website for beginners (like me!) who want to know who to avoid, and who's worth getting from the library or purchasing. Thus far, I have: Avoid: Punch (satire), Rassonier, Iris Brooke, Kholer, and Herbert Norris Sometimes: Vecellio (primary only for Italy) Primary/good: Bradfield, Janet Arnold, Phyllis and C. Willing (or William?) Cunnington, Jane Ashelford Small list! Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England during the Tudor and/or Elizabethan eras? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 18:02:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M2c0h004063 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M0rdD014664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M0nGJ003488; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M0iGJ003423 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jnNk-0006uV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:00:44 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:00:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c35ad3$e38a3230$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002301c35ad3$275691d0$6501a8c0@SG01> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74M0iGJ003423 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh and btw, there are Eglish samples based on works from Ushak and Turkey.. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace T. Knauf Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:56 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Yes actually, surprisingly I can! The Hardwick Textiles by Santina M. Levy has a picture of a Chinese Silk Damask cushion cover. (Figure 25 the back and Figure 59 the front) The back fabric is clearly labled as Chinese, the front could be, but is not specified as such. The immediate issue which will come up is whether or not a cushion cover can be directly related to textiles used for garb. There are several examaples of garb where the textiles come from furniture....and vice versa... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of IceGirlNIN@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Hello all, Two things (Well, sort of three): First, for anyone working on clothing/costumes in the Asian cultures, eBay seller artmedia88 has three pages of books, several of which are textile in nature (I was searching for Elizabethan stuff but got distracted ) I'm attempting to compile a list of authors of "costume" and historical clothing books. Specifically, who to avoid, and who to cleave to. Thus far I have a very small list. It's a rather broad-reaching question, I know, but what I am attempting to do is put up a page on my website for beginners (like me!) who want to know who to avoid, and who's worth getting from the library or purchasing. Thus far, I have: Avoid: Punch (satire), Rassonier, Iris Brooke, Kholer, and Herbert Norris Sometimes: Vecellio (primary only for Italy) Primary/good: Bradfield, Janet Arnold, Phyllis and C. Willing (or William?) Cunnington, Jane Ashelford Small list! Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England during the Tudor and/or Elizabethan eras? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 18:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M6g0h004074 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M4udD015323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M4tGJ006667; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M4qGJ006622 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-65.57.57.127.dial1.stlouis1.level3.net ([65.57.57.127] helo=Dan) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jnRi-0007RS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c35ad4$b46cc660$7f393941@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:06:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Mag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h74M6g0h004074 Status: RO Hi, just got my free copy today. Haven't read anything yet, just drooled over the pictures. May ask for the subscription for my birthday this month. 6 issues per year, just from the ad's I'd say it's more of a professional costumer's resource. But, that doesn't mean we can't use it. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 18:14:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74ME00h004097 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M9edD015959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M9bGJ010778; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74M9YGJ010740 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jnWG-0005x0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:09:32 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:09:43 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c35ad5$1e7c43a0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002901c35ad3$e38a3230$6501a8c0@SG01> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h74M9YGJ010740 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops, that was supposed to be English, and also there are samples from Bengal....IOW, there was lots of stuff imported from the far east. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace T. Knauf Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:01 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Oh and btw, there are Eglish samples based on works from Ushak and Turkey.. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace T. Knauf Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:56 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Yes actually, surprisingly I can! The Hardwick Textiles by Santina M. Levy has a picture of a Chinese Silk Damask cushion cover. (Figure 25 the back and Figure 59 the front) The back fabric is clearly labled as Chinese, the front could be, but is not specified as such. The immediate issue which will come up is whether or not a cushion cover can be directly related to textiles used for garb. There are several examaples of garb where the textiles come from furniture....and vice versa... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of IceGirlNIN@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Hello all, Two things (Well, sort of three): First, for anyone working on clothing/costumes in the Asian cultures, eBay seller artmedia88 has three pages of books, several of which are textile in nature (I was searching for Elizabethan stuff but got distracted ) I'm attempting to compile a list of authors of "costume" and historical clothing books. Specifically, who to avoid, and who to cleave to. Thus far I have a very small list. It's a rather broad-reaching question, I know, but what I am attempting to do is put up a page on my website for beginners (like me!) who want to know who to avoid, and who's worth getting from the library or purchasing. Thus far, I have: Avoid: Punch (satire), Rassonier, Iris Brooke, Kholer, and Herbert Norris Sometimes: Vecellio (primary only for Italy) Primary/good: Bradfield, Janet Arnold, Phyllis and C. Willing (or William?) Cunnington, Jane Ashelford Small list! Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England during the Tudor and/or Elizabethan eras? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 19:03:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74N340h004337 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74N0ddD022553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74N0UJ0026508; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74N0KJ0026296 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h74N0HHH002929 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:00:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030804180305.009f78b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:07:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] great online books! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if anyone has posted this link before, but it's so great I had to mention it. Cornell University has put on line the full text of hundreds of home economics books from 1850 to 1950. This includes dozens of historical books on textiles and dressmaking! The books are viewable in their entirety as images. Or you can download them as text. They are supposed to be searchable as well (but I haven't tested it). http://hearth.library.cornell.edu/h/hearth/ Hope you like this one as much as I did! Sheryl Nance-Durst A few of the costume and textile-related titles available (and this is just in the A's!) -- Abrahams, Ethel Beatrice. Greek dress; a study of the costumes worn in ancient Greece, [1908] All about dress; being the story of the dress and textile trades. [1913]. Allinson, May. Dressmaking as a trade for women in Massachusetts [1916.] Amateur's costume book Guptill, Elizabeth F. [c1917] The American cotton spinner and managers' and carders' guide; a practical treatise on cotton spinning; ... Baird, Robert H. [1863] American dressmaking step by step; containing complete, concise, up-to-date, and ... Coates, Lydia Trattles. [1917]. Approved methods for home laundering Vail, Mary Beals. [c1906] Aprons and house dresses Kneeland, Natalie. [1925]. The art and practice of laundry work; for students and teachers... Rankin, Margaret Cuthbert. [1905] The art of cleaning, dyeing, scouring, and finishing, on the most approved English and French methods; to which is added a list of prices, also abstracts... Love, Thomas. [1855]. The art of dressing well; a complete guide to economy, style and propriety ... Frost, S. Annie. [1870] The art of rearing silk-worms Dandolo, Vincenzo. [1825]. Austin, William E. Principles and practice of fur dressing and fur dyeing [1922]. Australasian sheep & wool; a practical and theoretical treatise Hawkesworth, Alfred. [1920]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 20:00:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7500F0h004719 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:00:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74NwNdD004152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74NwDNf015471; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h74NwANf015429 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lgsteph (AS53-01-167.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.167]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h74Nw7221473 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01c35ae4$bacc4b60$a707d1d8@lgsteph> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200308041801.h74I12FR013554@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:00:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa wrote: > Oh my, I had a look at those reproduction frames you are talking about on > your site http://www.5rivers.org/ under Catalogue/embroidery supplies. How > beautiful that frame is! Thanks! I use that frame all the time. At the moment I have two panels for a series of four wall hangings I'm embroidering in the Celtic theme of Earth, Wind, Fire Water. Earth is done. I'm working on Fire, have Wind on the frame, and have yet to actually set to paper my concept for Water. No photos yet, sorry. Love working on that frame. I'll never go back to hoops or small frames again. Course, I tend to paint with a large brush and in technicolour. ;-) Looks like a photo of you perhaps under "garments > and textiles" too. Drool............. That's the reproduction waistcoat I did, although there's no person in it. Unfortunately the photo is not that great. Sigh. But my thanks for your sentiment. :-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 4 21:24:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h751O10h004853 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h751MQdD014310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h751MLov016827; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h751MHov016644 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.195.1e0629ac (4238) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <195.1e0629ac.2c6060c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:22:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/4/2003 5:29:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, IceGirlNIN@aol.com writes: > Willing It's "Willet," actually. And I would not totally dismiss Kohler. He has a couple of really helpful pictures and diagrams for early 19th century. As to others, are you looking for general books? There are several good books that are specific to the 18th and early 19th centuries. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 00:24:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754O30h005466 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754FrdD029523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754FpVO011088; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754FnVO011063 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-243-43.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.43]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jtEi-0008LP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:15:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F2D9E8D.9796941C@in-tch.com> References: <02aa01c359f2$493b5a10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> <3F2D9E8D.9796941C@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:14:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] stabilizing fine fabric for embroidery? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 5:45 PM -0600 8/3/03, Sue Clemenger wrote: >If you're going to do spots of embroidery and are concerned about the >spots lining up properly, maybe you could use one of the spray-on >stabilizers someone else mentioned, and while your fabric is all neat >and stiff, mark your embroidery areas with basting threads or >something--then your areas would all be lined up properly, and you could >embroider as needed (and wash out the stabilizer, if you wanted). >You could also use a tear-away stabilizer, or even one of the >dissolvable ones (brand I know is called "Solvy")--I've seen the latter >used to make machine-embroidered "lace" quite successfully. Of course, >when using one of these stabilizers, you'd need to be careful with the >grain as you were attaching the stabilizer.... That's what I'm trying with the latest project. I was lucky enough to find some fine, rather loosely woven 100% linen with lengthwise stripes of open "holes" every inch (machine made, but I plan to overstitch them). It's close enough to evenweave that I'm planning a partlet and sleeves with lines of blackwork. It's going to be a bit fragile, but experimentation shows me that the grain doesn't get distorted if I just handle the stuff or wash it on "gentle," so I think it will be a usable garment. However with the loose weave, I very quickly discovered that it's almost impossible to embroider on it without tugging threads out of place in the process of stitching. So I've basted a bit of heavyweight "Solvy" to the back of my test piece, and it's working splendidly. I should try the "heavy starch" treatment too -- the drawback to the Solvy is that I can't work on the piece at "period" events because when you turn it over there is this layer of "plastic" on the back. (But I have plenty of other stuff I can do at events anyway -- I'm actually trying to *finish* a cushion cover.) I don't trust any of the "tear-away" stabilizers either. My experience with them is that they don't tear away completely but leave little bits behind -- and since the most recent one I tried was a "nonwoven" type, I couldn't pull the bits out with tweezers either because they don't come apart into loose threads. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 00:39:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754de0h005496 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754brdD001914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754bnVO024906; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h754blVO024892 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-74.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.74]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h754bgsq029316 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030804213311.00b31148@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:35:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Art On Demand" In-Reply-To: <000d01c357f9$c1b147c0$97725651@bella> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:54 AM 8/1/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Just this week, there was a local (to me) news item about London's National >Gallery. It seems that they've taken digital scans of all their pictures >and have begun to make special prints of any of them for customers. Now we >will be able to study them in much more detail than ordinary prints. > >Here's more about it, for those who understand the technicalities:- >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3101207.stm > >It's so long since I've been there that I can't remember what they have, or >whether my favourites are there or in another Art Gallery, but the National >Portrait Gallery isn't the only place with useful pictures of people. >Anyway, it's suddenly moved right up my list of places to visit - and shop. > >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). I'm answering this late because I'm just starting to wade through my e-mail, but oh, wow! I went to the National Gallery's web site, and the prints aren't even that expensive, especially if they're very high resolution (lots of detail). I'm looking forward to finding out what's available. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 01:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h755KV0h005520 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:20:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h755IsdD005165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h755IqKo018534; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-97.apple.com [17.250.248.97]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h755InKo018479 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h755InDV008419 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [140.142.182.115] (cs202-12.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.182.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h755IadS015740 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:18:43 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:18:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books From: Agnes Gawne To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9f.3c0b5f19.2c6026c0@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Much snippage but I have a tidbit of info that might be pertinent: The Metropolitan Museum in NYC has a garment that you can see on their website - they call it a cape used in France in the 16th century but made in China from Chinese silk. http://metmuseum.org/collections/view1.asp?dep=8&full=0&item=06%2E941 Not England but it may be a clue. Agnes > Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book > recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England during > the Tudor > and/or Elizabethan eras? > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 03:02:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7572O0h023381 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h756xhdD012605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h756xfXG018303; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h756xcXG018260 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-29.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.29]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h756xWeE010998 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030804231407.00b6fd00@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:56:58 -0700 To: historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine--A Review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Vintage Fahion Magazine was much in evidence at Costume College last weekend, and I have a copy of the magazine in front of me. What follows is a review, so take it for what it's worth (as with any review). To start, it's a very pretty publication. It's larger than average size (this may be a problem if you store your magazines in periodical boxes), and the first issue is 32 pages long, including front and back covers. There is a great deal of color, and production values are very high (IOW, this is probably costing a bundle to print). The issue's articles include: an interview with Dino Trapetti, of Sartoria Tirelli, the Italian costume shop that has done a number of the "period epics" produced by Hollywood ("Name of the Rose," "Age of Innocence," "The Scarlet Letter,") and a number of Italian opera productions; a market report on current sale of vintage fashion; a listing of period films in production with their projected release dates, production credits, and budget, and a closer look at one project in production; an article on a specific costume piece (this issue's is ceremonial headdresses); an article on someone that has influenced the area of vintage fashion (this issue's is early 20th century textile designer Ruth Reeves); a nod to living history with a piece on the exhibitions going on at Colonial Williamsburg; and a listing of upcoming vintage and fashion trade shows. All the articles are relatively short, and don't list the name of the contributor or author. Approximately 5.75 of 32 pages are advertising and subscription information: about 1.67 pages are advertising/subscription information by Vintage Fashion or it's publishing parent, Renaissance Magazine, while the remainder is by 10 vendors. While a very ambitious project, I have the uncomfortable that I am seeing a great deal of style without a corresponding amount of substance. While there are a number of articles, each is short, and not terribly in-depth. Most of the articles, at least in this issue, pertain to theatrical costuming. I'm also bothered by the lack of bylines; who is doing the writing? I would also have expected a great many more advertisers, particularly by such "heavy hitters" in the vintage fashion world as Lacis. While a very nice looking periodical (my compliments to the magazine's staff for its glossy look), at $50/year ($90/year for overseas subscribers), I'd rather spend an extra $20, join the Costume Society of America, and get their journal, Dress. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 03:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h757Qh0h000651 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:26:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h757P3dD014261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h757P3XG002297; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h757P0XG002244 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805072455.23646.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:24:55 BST Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:24:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO First of all, a big thanks once again to Saragrace who made the pattern for my new wired coif, which I wore at the event this weekend (which was incidentally LOADS of fun!) and which was taken from thos bazillions of Dutch genre paintings. I must say, it was pretty cool to have someone _that_ far away in the US help with making a costume item to be worn in the Midlands of the UK. ;-) Long live the internet! http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/nicole-kit.jpg It looks just like the paintings, doesn't it? Perfect for hiding my short hair without having to wear a wig. Here are all of the photos, I think they are proof of how much fun my girlfriends and I had. :-))) The rest of the photos are censored or non existent *laughs!* http://www.kipar.org/society/events/03-08_hands-on-history.html Nicole ===== Men Die. Cattle Die. Word-Fame Lives Forever. ~ Old Norse Aphorism Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 04:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7587M0h015150 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7582RdD016532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7582Oma021503; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7582Kma021448 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-29.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.29]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7582Gsq029951 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805003850.00bce9e8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:59:42 -0700 To: historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Back from Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whew! I've finally waded through all the e-mail, so about Costume College. It was *good*. **** ***/**** (4 3/4 stars). Programming was really good (Thanks Albra, for teaching me how to do metal thread embroidery!) Lots of stuff to interest historical costumers--if I was to hazard a guess, about 85% of the programming was dealt with historical costuming. About the only comments were that too many of the classes had limited enrollments which filled up instantly, and that some of the spaces might have been allocated differently (that's always a difficult one, because you don't know how popular a lecture or demo might be). The Time Travelers' Gala Saturday Night was amazing: about 250 people, and *everybody* was well-dressed. It's been 9 years since I've been to a large timeline event, and I'm truly amazed at the general improvement in historical costuming. There were several people there that had never built an historical costume before the one they wore to the Gala, and they were truly stunning (in a good way!). Needless to say, the shopping at something like this is exceptional: AlterYears had a large booth with lots of books, patterns, trims, and various supplies; Dragon's Treasure jewelers were there, as was the Vintage Pattern Lending Library, Truly Victorian, Hedgehog Handworks, and Atelier Mela, with some of the most gorgeous hats around (fashion forecast--ladies will be wearing better hats next season!) I also had a chance to see a demo of LivingSoft's new Victorian Dress Shop software. It's an interesting concept: they've digitized about 35 pieces of a Victorian wardrobe (IIRC, it includes men's, women's and children's pieces), and you enter in the measurements, and it prints out the patterns already fitted. It's currently going into beta testing, but should be available in time for Christmas this year. The gentleman that gave the demo mentioned that he thought it would retail for about $200. The Monday after Costume College is normally devoted to shopping in the Los Angeles Fashion District; I did not go on the "Native Guide" tour, as I needed to take care of some additional business while down there (and I couldn't have brought back a roll of linen on the bus), so I went down myself. It was a little disconcerting to walk into a store and run into somebody you know, but I saw people picking up some beautiful fabrics and bargains. I took a bunch of pictures, and will try to upload them next week when I get back to the Bay Area. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 08:43:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Chv0h010375 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75CgGdD008580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75CgDiY022273; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Cg9iY022203 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m135.in-tch.com [216.166.191.135]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h75CMVX22082 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F2FA690.F194016D@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:44:00 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern References: <20030805072455.23646.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The coif looks great! Reminds me of the blackworked one in "The Lacemaker." Glad you had fun, too. Looks like the boys missed a good time --sue, who wants ALL of the hats! N Kipar wrote: > > First of all, a big thanks once again to Saragrace who made the pattern for my > new wired coif, which I wore at the event this weekend (which was incidentally > LOADS of fun!) and which was taken from thos bazillions of Dutch genre > paintings. > I must say, it was pretty cool to have someone _that_ far away in the US help > with making a costume item to be worn in the Midlands of the UK. ;-) Long live > the internet! > > http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/nicole-kit.jpg > > It looks just like the paintings, doesn't it? Perfect for hiding my short hair > without having to wear a wig. > > Here are all of the photos, I think they are proof of how much fun my > girlfriends and I had. :-))) The rest of the photos are censored or non > existent *laughs!* > > http://www.kipar.org/society/events/03-08_hands-on-history.html > > Nicole > > ===== > Men Die. Cattle Die. Word-Fame Lives Forever. ~ Old Norse Aphorism > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 08:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Cws0h010395 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75CvKdD011300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75CvI1c004316; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75CvF1c004251 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805125029.86204.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:50:29 BST Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:50:29 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F2FA690.F194016D@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > The coif looks great! Reminds me of the blackworked one in "The > Lacemaker." > Glad you had fun, too. Looks like the boys missed a good time > --sue, who wants ALL of the hats! Nonono Sue, if the boys had been there, the 'girls' hadn't had such a good time! *winks* I loved the bicorne, it was brilliant but so heavy. Saragrace, your pattern will go to Sophie, she really wants a wired coif too now, it's such a cute litle thing and so comfy to wear. Will send the final mock-up pattern to you too, one never knows, one day you might want to do the period :-) Nicole ===== Men Die. Cattle Die. Word-Fame Lives Forever. ~ Old Norse Aphorism Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 09:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DF10h010435 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DDKdD013537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DDI1c015271; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9401.mail.yahoo.com (web9401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75DDE1c015216 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805131314.25320.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:13:14 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030805072455.23646.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very fetching looking coif on you, Nicole:) Albra N Kipar wrote: First of all, a big thanks once again to Saragrace who made the pattern for my new wired coif, which I wore at the event this weekend (which was incidentally LOADS of fun!) and which was taken from thos bazillions of Dutch genre paintings. I must say, it was pretty cool to have someone _that_ far away in the US help with making a costume item to be worn in the Midlands of the UK. ;-) Long live the internet! http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/nicole-kit.jpg It looks just like the paintings, doesn't it? Perfect for hiding my short hair without having to wear a wig. Here are all of the photos, I think they are proof of how much fun my girlfriends and I had. :-))) The rest of the photos are censored or non existent *laughs!* http://www.kipar.org/society/events/03-08_hands-on-history.html Nicole ===== Men Die. Cattle Die. Word-Fame Lives Forever. ~ Old Norse Aphorism Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 09:25:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DPL0h010461 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DNjdD014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DNg1c022502; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DNa1c022401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.165] (pm5-165.eos.net [205.133.149.165]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29447 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:23:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:17:06 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308050700.h75709XH018485@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: new costume magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for posting the review, Dawn! I've been very curious about what the magazine would look like. I never sent for my free issue because I found out the subscription price ($50). I love magazines, but that is too much for me for six issues, no matter how pretty they are. I'm not arguing whether or not the publication is worth it, obviously I've never seen it. It's just not in my budget, like many other fine things. I certainly wish the publisher well. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 09:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DvN0h010536 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:57:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DrYdD017498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DrW1c014117; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75DrQ1c014000 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.142.16b1b6ac (16335) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <142.16b1b6ac.2c6110cc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:53:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Everybody: In response to Dawn Jacobson's post about our magazine, I want to clarify that there are bylines by contributors at the bottom of their pieces. There's a "dash" and then their name in italics. The stuff that's not credited was done in-house by our editorial team. There's an implied suggestion in Dawn's review that we really appreciate: we'll make sure to indicate WHICH editorial person wrote each piece. Also, please note that we are very open to suggestions about how much depth you, the readers, would like us to go into. In Dawn's review, she beomans the fact that the articles don't go into enough depth - that's great information for us, to learn that our readers want deeper coverage because, you see, many costume people would rather an article stay short with the space devoted, instead, to photographs. In terms of advertisers (such as Lacis): the number of ads will be growing quickly; most people want to see the first issue so they know whether the standards, production values and the look will be professional before they spend the money to place an ad. We spoke with many, many advertisers who told us they'd like to see the first issue before they take out an ad. We definitely NEED advertisers if we're going to grow, if the magazine's going to be longer (at least 64 pages), if we're going to be able to go down to monthly - which we ACTIVELY want to do, and if the articles are going to be able to go into greater depth and take up more space. We also want to be able to start paying freelancers respectable wages for their writing, as many, many highly-qualified costume people (inclding h-cost members) have gotten in touch with us about writing pieces for us and we want to be able to say yes to them, get their valuable insights, and pay them a fair wage. Also, we had a lot of good, in-depth material, that we couldn't include in this first issue because we could only print so many pages for this issue, so it will have to go into subsequent issues that have more pages in them. Please feel free to email us a letter to the editor with any comments or suggestions and please continue to support us so we can grow in all sorts of ways. Dawn - thank you for your insights! -Julia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:04:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F4c0h010725 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F20dD025690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F1vxu013386; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75F1qxu013230 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805150147.27611.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:01:47 BST Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:01:47 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My seamstress friend's big wedding (it's being filmed by channel 4) is this year and we are all invited to come in costume, no matter which petiod. She has been a re-eactor for many years and is making lovely histoprical costumes. However, she is totally stressed out and asked me if I could possibly research 1890s beauty products/looks for her, because her wedding dress will be 1890s. I told her that I'd try on this list, because really, this is a gold mine of information. She also asked me to do her make-up (she's blind as a bat without her spectacles) and I'd really like to know what look I should try to achieve: pale? natural? I feel quite honoured that she asked me to do this for her, thus I'd really really appreciate help in pointing me to the right direction (I have NO clue whatsoever about this period). Thanks in advance Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:06:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F6u0h010739 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F59dD026021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F58xu016284; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75F54xu016244 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:03:29 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A7418E5A013C; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:03:29 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:03:29 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:05:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c35b63$05b1bc90$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030805150147.27611.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 1890's makeup, if used at all, was inconspicuous unless you were an actress. She should look like she's not wearing makeup. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:02 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? My seamstress friend's big wedding (it's being filmed by channel 4) is this year and we are all invited to come in costume, no matter which petiod. She has been a re-eactor for many years and is making lovely histoprical costumes. However, she is totally stressed out and asked me if I could possibly research 1890s beauty products/looks for her, because her wedding dress will be 1890s. I told her that I'd try on this list, because really, this is a gold mine of information. She also asked me to do her make-up (she's blind as a bat without her spectacles) and I'd really like to know what look I should try to achieve: pale? natural? I feel quite honoured that she asked me to do this for her, thus I'd really really appreciate help in pointing me to the right direction (I have NO clue whatsoever about this period). Thanks in advance Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:18:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FIs0h010783 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FHCdD027386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FHAxu027154; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com ([205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FH6xu026807 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-160-176-201.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.160.176.201]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C7A2F932 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:16:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume College Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805003850.00bce9e8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn, we looked around for you, but I never did seem to run across you in the hall. I did stop and say 'hi' to everyone I saw wearing an H-Costume sticker, though! It was a great weekend -- I'll have to write up my thoughts on it tonight, since I'm late for my new pattern drafting class right now. oops! On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > Whew! I've finally waded through all the e-mail, so about Costume > College. > > It was *good*. **** ***/**** (4 3/4 stars). Programming was really > good (Thanks Albra, for teaching me how to do metal thread > embroidery!) Lots of stuff to interest historical costumers--if I was > to hazard a guess, about 85% of the programming was dealt with > historical costuming. About the only comments were that too many of > the classes had limited enrollments which filled up instantly, and > that some of the spaces might have been allocated differently (that's > always a difficult one, because you don't know how popular a lecture > or demo might be). > > The Time Travelers' Gala Saturday Night was amazing: about 250 people, > and *everybody* was well-dressed. It's been 9 years since I've been to > a large timeline event, and I'm truly amazed at the general > improvement in historical costuming. There were several people there > that had never built an historical costume before the one they wore to > the Gala, and they were truly stunning (in a good way!). > > Needless to say, the shopping at something like this is exceptional: > AlterYears had a large booth with lots of books, patterns, trims, and > various supplies; Dragon's Treasure jewelers were there, as was the > Vintage Pattern Lending Library, Truly Victorian, Hedgehog Handworks, > and Atelier Mela, with some of the most gorgeous hats around (fashion > forecast--ladies will be wearing better hats next season!) > > I also had a chance to see a demo of LivingSoft's new Victorian Dress > Shop software. It's an interesting concept: they've digitized about 35 > pieces of a Victorian wardrobe (IIRC, it includes men's, women's and > children's pieces), and you enter in the measurements, and it prints > out the patterns already fitted. It's currently going into beta > testing, but should be available in time for Christmas this year. The > gentleman that gave the demo mentioned that he thought it would retail > for about $200. > > The Monday after Costume College is normally devoted to shopping in > the Los Angeles Fashion District; I did not go on the "Native Guide" > tour, as I needed to take care of some additional business while down > there (and I couldn't have brought back a roll of linen on the bus), > so I went down myself. It was a little disconcerting to walk into a > store and run into somebody you know, but I saw people picking up some > beautiful fabrics and bargains. > > I took a bunch of pictures, and will try to upload them next week when > I get back to the Bay Area. > > Dawn > > Dawn Jacobson > Vallejo, CA, USA > > Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FJQ0h010788 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FHndD027477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FHmxu027699; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75FHjxu027569 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805151740.29084.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:17:40 BST Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:17:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000101c35b63$05b1bc90$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kim Baird wrote: > > 1890's makeup, if used at all, was inconspicuous unless you were an > actress. She should look like she's not wearing makeup. > > Kim Thanks Kim, that's what I thought, but I wondered if there was more to it, a la 'greatest beauty was when she looked like a fresh May morning' or 'there was nothing more beautiful than a woman who looked like a wingter sky' etc. You know what I mean? Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:44:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FiI0h011355 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:44:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FgedD000846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Fgcxu022207; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Fgaxu022115 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.c5.36cee781 (2168) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:42:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2003 11:30:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > But I was just > curious what > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > costuming) > had gotten their degrees in. I think there are several routes to go--a home-economics based apparel design program, an arts-based apparel design program, or a theater-arts program. Each, of course, teaches you a different approach. I came from home economics (finally getting a Ph.D. in historic costume and textiles from the now-defunct program at the University of Maryland.) I've also worked in theater. I found I knew things they didn't know, but there were things I had to learn. I personally don't care so much for the theater approach, but if you want to work in theater that is probably the way to go. I do research and make garments for living history interpretation as a sideline to my more general job at a historic house museum. I certainly use some of the things I learned in my stints at the theater. One of the problems I have with working in theater, and if I offend some of you who work on the list, I'm sorry, but this is just how I see it. The designer often renders a lovely design, but it is up to the cutter to figure out how it can actually be constructed. (When I taught apparel design, on the other hand, the students had to produce sketches that made it clear where the seams, darts, and fastenings were--if they didn't, they had to do it over.) I think it is vital for the designer to know what is possible and what is not. Some do, but some seem to have a less clear idea. (I understand that the same used to be true of some of the great couture designers.) This is not true across the board by any means. And a good theater arts program will give you knowledge of other things you need to know in theater, like lighting. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:44:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FiN0h011358 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FP8ed028416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FNMxu002946; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com ([205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FLgxu001202 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-160-176-201.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.160.176.201]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75A42F930 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:21:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Heather Meadows To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community college, and two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized I'm probably rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at which I could apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the Theatre Arts program at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just curious what various programs people on the list (especially those that work in costuming) had gotten their degrees in. I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership fluctuates ;) thanks! .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 11:47:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FlI0h011819 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FjadD001196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FjYxu025021; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75FjVxu024965 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.154.50.184]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 6.0.4) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:40:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have two: Art History (concentration in Italian Renaissance) and Computer Science. Teena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > > So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community > college, and > two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized > I'm probably > rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at > which I could > apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the > Theatre Arts program > at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just > curious what > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > costuming) > had gotten their degrees in. > > I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > fluctuates ;) > > thanks! > heather. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 12:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G6T0h011908 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:06:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G4mdD004008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:04:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G4k8I014485; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G4h8I014363 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a248.in-tch.com [66.62.107.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h75Fj6X16972 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F2FD60C.998C17E1@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:06:36 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have two. A BA in History, and a BA in English. I've worked in college-related costume and theatre, and done non-costume sewing for a living, although not any longer, thank god, as it was causing chronic problems with my hands. Now I costume and needlework for the fun of it.... --sue Heather Meadows wrote: > But I was just > curious what > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > costuming) > had gotten their degrees in. > > I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > fluctuates ;) > > thanks! > .heather. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 12:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GJb0h011967 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GHvdD006022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GHt8I028839; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GHk8I028642 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19k4VJ-0000fJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:17:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c35b6d$22c20790$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030805072455.23646.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Long live the internet! Hear Hear! (sp?) Nicole has given me all the credit, but I can tell from her well executed coif that she had to modify it a bit to get it to look so good! (It was draped on one of those abominably small headed Styrofoam wig stands) I have to say that I got the biggest charge out of knowing that I was working with someone who is German (my second language) in England on patterns!! Wowza! I sure look forward to my next international pattern drafting challenge! Sg Did I ever say that I LOVE this list? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 12:21:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GLb0h011971 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:21:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GJndD006278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GJl8I001208; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:19:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GJh8I001134 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19k4X8-0003c8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:19:42 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:19:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c35b6d$666b3250$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h75GJh8I001134 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think I have ever seen this specific question before. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and a minor in philosophy with a concentration (funny for a minor I know) in history and ethics. I am starting this fall at Arizona State University (ASU) for a post grad degree (not sure if it will be a masters or PhD) in bioengineering. I am also getting a certificate in Scholarly Publishing and one in Medieval/Renaissance Studies. So when I am finally done, I will be able to handle artifacts and say I had the training.....BTW if anyone is interested, the Paleography class is a distance learning class so anyone can take it. So none of that really is very interesting WRT the list. My father, who was a dramaturg, taught me to sew starting when I was about 9. (He and my mother both were actors and directors in stage theater. He did all the theater arts stuff, but my mom stuck to the acting and directing part) Over the years I took all kinds of construction classes, tailoring classes, pattern drafting and worked in my dad's costume shop summers as a teenager. I started historic costuming back in 1998. I was going to take a draping class at ASU this fall, but have a conflict. I am working with the folks in the theater department to work out a design studio arrangement. If that doesn't work, I will probably take draping at a local community college in the spring. Sg It IS fun to read about all of us! Thanks for asking the question! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 12:39:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GdT0h012032 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GbfdD008810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GbYRD020923; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75GbRRD020764 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19k4oQ-0000we-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:37:26 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Subject: FW: [h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c35b6f$e52831e0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for writing this to the list because I was wondering about all those same things. Thank you Dawn for asking them....I am so looking forward to my next issue..I guess I'd better get hot and order it! Sg - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 13:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75HKA0h012368 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75HIPdD014205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75HINDn005985; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (fallback01.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75HIKDn005943 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74])h75Gp7h13784 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19k51I-0007WL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:50:44 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:50:58 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c35b71$c0a27450$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h75HIKDn005943 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! That is cool! Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Agnes Gawne Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume/Art history Books Much snippage but I have a tidbit of info that might be pertinent: The Metropolitan Museum in NYC has a garment that you can see on their website - they call it a cape used in France in the 16th century but made in China from Chinese silk. http://metmuseum.org/collections/view1.asp?dep=8&full=0&item=06%2E941 Not England but it may be a clue. Agnes > Also, does anyone have any idea (and maybe a book > recommendation) of whether Chinese textiles were imported to England > during the Tudor and/or Elizabethan eras? > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 15:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JPN0h013534 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:25:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JNKdD000910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JNALu015576; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JN5Lu015454 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-238-177.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.238.177]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h75JN2Or013516 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030805111318.0546a820@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:15:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh In-Reply-To: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you >manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I never get to Pensic, but I have the problem in other centuries. The solution id either to do all one period, and slowly build up a wardrobe of it, or to set a very long lead time, like for that event next year, and plan now to be ready then. Also, try batch-making two of each garment at a time, in different colours. That takes less time than making two separate ones, as it happens, and you end up with two of them when you're done. >I can't seem to get through a frickin' >under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to >complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, >because I'm >not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" >theory about Alcega anymore.... > >Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have >these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I >think I'm too anal to get it done. > >OK, rant over. > >-Sarra Wryght >HREF="www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com">www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com >(Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) >Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 15:26:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JPx0h013538 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JO0dD000972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JNwLu016382; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JN6Lu015502 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-238-177.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.238.177]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h75JN2Ot013516 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030805112200.04fe5f00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:02:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume College In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805003850.00bce9e8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd never been to a Costume College, tho I'd been to other costume events (like CostumeCon and SCA collegia). I didn't get into any of the limited workshops, nor did I go on any of the all-day tours. I did go to several lectures and learned quite a lot of new stuff, like where to get a sewing machine foot that will help me apply miles of soutache to a costume I have in mind. I wore dolls every day but Monday, when I went to San Diego instead of to the garment district (I didn't want to know what I'd be missing - the L.A. garment district is the second largest one in the country). And I got to rub shoulders with lots of really knowledgeable people, all of whom were happy to share their expertise, techniques, sources, etc. I attended the Gala Saturday night, and everyone there was splendidly dressed. On the 6-hour drive back home my co-driver and I planned our next year's wardrobes. I've already volunteered to teach three classes there next year: The programming lady's eyes got really big and round when I offered to teach the "origami" German Ren. hat I 'invented' in 1971 (thanks for the prod, Dawn). She said they had lots of requests for such a class but they didn't know anyone who knew how to do it. I figure on a short slide presentation to cover the history of this hat, followed by passing out origami paper. People will know how to do the folding in about 5 minutes, then I will show how the rest of the hat goes together. I also offered to teach a 'fashion 'baby'' workshop. Fashion 'babies' are (you already knew this) what they had before they had fashion magazines, and the workshop would start with a small presentation on the history of them. Then each participant would get a pre-marked piece of cloth ready to sew into a fashion 'baby' of their own. After sewing and stuffing, I would show how to drape patterns on these. The other lecture I volunteered to do was an overview of needlework. This would cover techniques like quilting (not patchwork), embroidery, smocking, maybe applique, maybe cartridge pleating, and maybe how to tell hand stitched eyelet or lace from machine-made eyelet or lace. The lecture would be a really short demo of each technique, a sample of it to pass around, what periods to use the technique in, a list of books about it, and maybe a hint on having your sewing machine do it. I might even throw in a few minutes each on knitting and crochet, with how to identify each when you're looking at it. We'll see if they want these classes, and I'm going to start saving my pennies to be there next year to teach them. >Whew! I've finally waded through all the e-mail, so about Costume College. > >It was *good*. **** ***/**** (4 3/4 stars). CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 15:27:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JR70h013543 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JPAdD001145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JPALu017768; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JP8Lu017719 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-116-238-177.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.116.238.177]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h75JMUOt011999 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030805111318.0546a820@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:15:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh In-Reply-To: <50.2055b6be.2c5af1f6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you >manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I never get to Pensic, but I have the problem in other centuries. The solution id either to do all one period, and slowly build up a wardrobe of it, or to set a very long lead time, like for that event next year, and plan now to be ready then. Also, try batch-making two of each garment at a time, in different colours. That takes less time than making two separate ones, as it happens, and you end up with two of them when you're done. >I can't seem to get through a frickin' >under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to >complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, >because I'm >not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" >theory about Alcega anymore.... > >Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have >these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I >think I'm too anal to get it done. > >OK, rant over. > >-Sarra Wryght >HREF="www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com">www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com >(Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) >Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 15:58:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Jw60h013644 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JuGdD005097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JuEE3022881; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75JuBE3022774 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABD548A0088; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:56:05 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABD52DF0172; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <009501c35b8b$f916ab20$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030805150147.27611.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:58:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nicole, A couple of weeks ago, I put up an article on the Library about makeup in 1897. You have access to the Library... go to http://www.costumegallery.com/1897/ . It is the listings near the bottom of the page. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? > My seamstress friend's big wedding (it's being filmed by channel 4) is this > year and we are all invited to come in costume, no matter which petiod. She has > been a re-eactor for many years and is making lovely histoprical costumes. > > However, she is totally stressed out and asked me if I could possibly research > 1890s beauty products/looks for her, because her wedding dress will be 1890s. I > told her that I'd try on this list, because really, this is a gold mine of > information. She also asked me to do her make-up (she's blind as a bat without > her spectacles) and I'd really like to know what look I should try to achieve: > pale? natural? I feel quite honoured that she asked me to do this for her, thus > I'd really really appreciate help in pointing me to the right direction (I have > NO clue whatsoever about this period). > > Thanks in advance > > Nicole > > ===== > One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 16:05:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K5T0h013668 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K3adD005893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K3VE3000465; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K3NE3000296 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19k81i-000LxC-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:02:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Linguistics. My husband has Physics with a single credit in Byzantine History. Jean Heather Meadows wrote > >So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community >college, and >two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized >I'm probably >rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at >which I could >apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the >Theatre Arts program >at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just >curious what >various programs people on the list (especially those that work in >costuming) >had gotten their degrees in. > >I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership >fluctuates ;) > >thanks! >.heather. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 16:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K6T0h013671 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:06:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K4ndD006037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K4kE3001680; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75K4dE3001483 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805200434.11643.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.179.148.53] by web42003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:04:34 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: liz haines Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleh To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20030805111318.0546a820@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Leaving for pennsic in two days, still have only enough clothes for three days. been sewing like a demon. Bonus is I am travelling with two girlfriends who are approximately the same size and in similar time periods. We have decided that going roman is all good and will exchange garb as neccessary to round out the 10 days. We all are refusing to stress. Pennsic is all about having fun, and making garb in the car on the way will only add to the fun. this isn't too say that I won't panic at least once between now and then. cheers all, liz of cathair dubh p.s. if all else fails there is always woad Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Just wondering about those of you SCA costumer types, how the heck do you >manage to make enough garb for Pennsic? I never get to Pensic, but I have the problem in other centuries. The solution id either to do all one period, and slowly build up a wardrobe of it, or to set a very long lead time, like for that event next year, and plan now to be ready then. Also, try batch-making two of each garment at a time, in different colours. That takes less time than making two separate ones, as it happens, and you end up with two of them when you're done. >I can't seem to get through a frickin' >under kirtle without it becoming a Project (TM)...that takes 4 weeks to >complete. And now I'm staring at my farthingale with loathing and dismay, >because I'm >not sure I believe in the Arnold "It's 10 inches too long...for the tucks!" >theory about Alcega anymore.... > >Does anyone else feel like they "costume/research/sew" all the time but have >these tiny little wardrobes? I have one year to clothe myself for Pennsic, I >think I'm too anal to get it done. > >OK, rant over. > >-Sarra Wryght >>HREF="www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com">www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com >(Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) >Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 16:10:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75KAn0h013685 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K8xdD006455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K8rE3006070; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop2b.ripco.com (pop2b.ripco.com [209.100.227.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75K8lE3005902 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ripco.com (tcr162.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.162]) by pop2b.ripco.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h75K8n918076 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:08:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3F300EBF.9000504@ripco.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:08:31 -0500 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200308051801.h75I14NO019927@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] degrees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My degree is in theatre, (BS in Speech) but in performance. I took a grand total of one costume class in college, but Northwestern's theatre program requires you to tech 8 shows, so that everyone gets a respect for the less-than-glamorous side of show-biz. I did props and lighting as well as costume crews. I have always had to alter my own clothing, as I am an odd size, so when I started working Renaissance Faires at age 14, I made my own outfits. Someone said "Wow - How much for an outfit just like that", the little cash register in my head went "ka-CHING", and Wench Wear Costumes was born. (On the sewing machine in the Student Center's craft studio, if you must know) I took a kirtle project on a camping trip recently, and someone commented "You must really like sewing". That's not really it for me. I like having nifty things to wear, and the sewing is a necessary part of the process - it's the showing-off part that attracted me. I perform 18-23 weekends per year now, with Minstrosity, so in effect I am a professional garb-whore! It's nice to be able to write off your addiction's as business expenses.... Wendy Zdrodowski Preparing for Michigan Ren, but still in Chicago, IL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 16:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75KHE0h013708 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75KFQdD007353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75KFOE3013168; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75KFME3013053 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.169.188.93] (HELO charter.net) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 113511898 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:14:22 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a few. It started with a associates degree in fine arts, then on to a bachelors degree in fine arts in percussion performance. I switched gears and pursued a masters degree in psychology and I now have a doctorate in that field. I'm done! Slainte, Joe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 17:49:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ln80h013882 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LmYdD019196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LmVnj020278; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LmQnj020139 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h75Lpdjp027545 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:51:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3F3025FA.7010005@misc.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:47:38 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BM in piano performance (skirted yearly starvation for 20 years in that career); BA in anthropology (CalStateHayward - Heather, we're "neighbors"!!); 1 year completed on MA in Social Anthropology (look forward to skirting more starvation wages in the future in that career). Theresa Eacker Heather Meadows wrote: > > So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community > college, and > two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized I'm > probably > rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at > which I could > apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the > Theatre Arts program > at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just > curious what > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > costuming) > had gotten their degrees in. > > I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > fluctuates ;) > > thanks! > .heather. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 17:49:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Lnw0h013888 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LnUdD019308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LnSnj021223; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75LnQnj021111 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqWEm2TZnDAxzQihnwgqwdldxNz6jnrUEw==">; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:14 EDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6UQEZLD; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:14 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:56:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Message-ID: <20030805.165624.-241613925.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a Bachelor's of Science in Clinical Psychology with my minor in Cultural Anthropology. Yes, I was trying to make myself almost completely unemployable. I failed, I've had steady work in my field. Who knew? Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 17:55:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ltd0h013902 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:55:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Lt8dD020116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Lt6bY027288; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Lswnj027016 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.69]) by mta01ps.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HJ6001WC2655H@mta01ps.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:54:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from 144.139.223.97 ([144.139.223.97]) by psmam01.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2c 65/10653304); Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:54:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:53:58 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a degree in theoretical physics. Curiously enough I have never worked professionally in costume or theatre. :-) On the other hand I can highly recommend physics. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 17:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ltq0h013905 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:55:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LtLdD020140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LtKbY027526; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [63.251.216.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75LtIbY027499 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from megan2 (pcp04229141pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.37.6.107]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835F31C51C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:58:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Let's see, I have a BS in Physiological Psychology, an MS in Information Science, and lately became a registered nurse to have dependable income. Never really thought until recently about a degree in textiles but I'd sure love to take some courses in pattern fitting and draping. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 18:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75MoD0h014008 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75MnjdD026349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75MngbY022178; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75MnbbY022073 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A47B83D0078; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:31 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A47B13000A2; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701c35ba4$33eadce0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I made a career of how many majors I could have. LOL! I started out in architectural drafting, switched to art, then got an A.S. in Fashion Merchandising, Marketing, and Modeling at a jr. college in Mississippi. Then did another year at University of New Mexico in Home Ec. Ed. Then went to Virginia Commonwealth University and received a B.A. in Fashion Merchandising. I was supposed to have another degree in Marketing but the university wouldn't accept my marketing hours towards the degree, but the Fashion Dept. would. While at VCU I was allowed to crossover into other depts. So I crossed over in to costume design in theater (8 courses), Computers in the Business school (several courses), and Film history (a couple of courses). Amazing what can be substituted for art history. After graduating I took a master's level class in Egyptology. I don't even know how many college hours I have accumulated between the three colleges and three decades of going to school... never stopped to count. But I do use every class I have taken either in my business or just life in general. People ask me the college selection/major/job question often via my website. What you major in depends on what you want to do with the degree. I suggest that you not only check out the college but the instructors of what you want to major in. Professors are usually the ones who get your foot in the door when it comes to first jobs. Some professors have never worked in the *real* world and don't have practical experience or the networking abilities. The costume industry is a heavily network industry and it counts when getting a job. This also comes into play when getting an internship. So do ask about where some of their former students are now working and where they did their internships. Ask if you can contact some of their former students. You might also want to ask what organizations the professors are in and if they are an active members... meaning do they really do things with their organization or do they just sign up to say they are a member. You can always call the organization and ask how active the professor is. Another bonus, is to go on your judgement. If your personality matches that of the professors. You will be working closely with them and if you don't get along with them... fiction will occur. Remember in the beginning of getting those first jobs after graduation, the professors are your references. It is also good to know if you need advice after graduation that you can call your professors. Good luck with your new school!!!!!! Keep in mind that they are not only interviewing you, but you are interviewing them. So come with a good set of prepared questions. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 19:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NXV0h014086 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NS8dD000720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NS42o025912; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NS12o025805 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1e4.e732beb (3940) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.e732beb.2c619775@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:27:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2003 4:13:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, zski@ripco.com writes: > That's not really it for me. > I like having nifty things to wear, and the sewing is a necessary part > of the process - it's the showing-off part that attracted me. > Glad someone else feels that way! For me, it is the creative process of planning the outfit, plus the joy of wearing it, that are real attractions. The sewing is pretty much drudgery, unless I'm working out something new. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 19:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NbO0h014111 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NaudD001588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Nat2o002883; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NaX2o002589 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kBM0-0002rN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:36:32 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:36:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c35baa$72008330$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3F3025FA.7010005@misc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am so impressed with all of us! We are so smart and so varied. Talk about the classic Renaissance educations! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 19:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ns90h014160 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NredD003165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Nrcbm016213; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9406.mail.yahoo.com (web9406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75NrXbm016166 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805235333.22041.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:53:33 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Back from Costumne College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also had a great time at Costumne College! But , I spent so much time prepping for and teachingf metal thread embroidery classes--- that I really did'nt get a chance to take any classes. Would have also loved to have met more H-Costumners, too. Hopefully next year? Maybe we could plan some 'offical get -to gether -over-dinner' sort of thing? I also agree, that there were too many 'limited' enrollment classes. I hope that will change next year. I also miss the fact that there used to be a LOT more people wearing costumnes/garb in the hall. In fact, they used to pass out 'Hall Costumne Awards' to the Best Dressed' during the day. It would be nice if they revived those. Well, even though it's a lot of work I DO enjoy teaching embroidery. It's about as addictive as costumning is for me. Glad that you enjoyed the class, Dawn:). My' Co-Horts in Crime' and I have 3 more planned for next year:) We had already submitted the class proposals before we left, sunday afternoon.Sure hope they don't conflict with your class in the 'origami german', Kayta---since I'd really like to sign up for that next year! Did'nt make it to the garment district this time--but I only live 1 1/2 hours away--so--I can do that later on this summer. Cheers, Albra/Kathryn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 19:54:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75NsX0h014163 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:54:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ns8dD003223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75Ns7bm016610; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9407.mail.yahoo.com (web9407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h75Nrnbm016383 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030805235349.71699.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:53:49 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030805.165624.-241613925.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And my degree was in clinical psychology---with a minor in french studies---and I work in telecommunications--(wry grin) first, maintaining, then building, and now---inspecting the equipment installed in the Ventura , California area Central Offices:) Was sewing and learning embroider by the time I was 10--for my Barbie doll---and have just generally continued 30 some odd years later. The Barbie dolls I dress and help embellish are just a little older and larger, now:) Albra seamstrix@juno.com wrote: I have a Bachelor's of Science in Clinical Psychology with my minor in Cultural Anthropology. Yes, I was trying to make myself almost completely unemployable. I failed, I've had steady work in my field. Who knew? Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 20:14:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760En0h014239 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:14:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760EFdD005288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760ECg4002811; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pro5.mtco.com (pro5.mtco.com [207.179.200.251]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h760E9g4002770 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30947 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 00:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO y3r8b8) (207.179.215.155) by ns.mtco.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 00:04:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c35baf$cc2b4ca0$9bd7b3cf@y3r8b8> From: "Sarah Jane Edwards" <1warcry@mtco.com> To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO First, I don't know if I am spelling this type of knot correctly--is it Byron or Bryon? Anyway, I was wondering if any of you here know where I can learn how to tie this type of knot. I have gleaned from my research that they were popular in the 1830's, but have not been able to find out how to recreate this knot myself. Though through the neckclothiania website I have been able to learn a few of the versions popular in the years before 1830. My father and I (as well as a younger brother) are volunteering at a 1830 historic village and I thought this kind of knot would look nice on him. :) Thanks for any help! Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 20:38:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760cJ0h014296 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:38:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760bodD007673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760bmg4019996; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760bjg4019953 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.177]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:50:29 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c35bb2$f0a66990$b1520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308052328.h75NSN2q026164@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] What's your degree in X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a BA in Anthropology from U mass Amherst circa 1976 specializing in pre industrial textile technologies. Spent a few years puttering about New England doing reenactments and restoring the leathers for flax wheels in the various historic houses of the Concord/Lexington area, sewing for people when money got tight. 20 years ago did the course work for a Master's in Environmental Arts (read Costume and Textiles). For a variety of reasons I didn't finish the thesis, but I'm looking at starting over again. Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 20:50:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760o00h014311 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nZdD008541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nYg4027898; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nVg4027848 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p35-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.99] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19kCUb-0001j8-00; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:49:30 +1200 Message-ID: <005d01c35bb4$99dd1670$63ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:49:31 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > fluctuates ;) I have a Bachelor of Science and I had a fairly even split of cellular and molecular bio and plant... stuff;) I did three papers in plants for my final year, plant pathology and two that were connected something to do with experimentation... I have no idea how the two papers were connected to be honest. Then I got my Diploma in Performing Arts which was 2 years of hell where i was told I would never be a singer and that I was probably going to fail the class.. at least that was the in house tutrs views. Out of house tutors pretty well loved me... you can imagine how much the piece of paper my diploma is written on actually means to me now.... So nothing to do with costuming (aside from the fact that I knew what I was doing when we did backstage work for our first year). But it did give me a *good* grounding in doing research and taking everyhting anyone says with a grain of salt;) When you study something like Cancer Vaccine and realise each paper published has a different viewpoint, different results or different interpretation of results... you begin to realise how much people invest in their work and may be a bit biased. Unfortunately it did also lead to me second guessing a lot of my own work too;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 20:50:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760oJ0h014314 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:50:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nndD008574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nng4028018; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stanford.loosefoot.com (stanford.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760nlg4027991 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bernie.loosefoot.com (bernie.loosefoot.com [207.195.54.243]) by stanford.loosefoot.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 32CA3163A55 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27041 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 00:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mabion.spublofe.com) (66.75.70.46) by bernie.loosefoot.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 00:49:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20030805174605.00a079e0@pop3.lfchosting.com> X-Sender: mabse/spublofe.com@pop3.lfchosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:48:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones In-Reply-To: <200308052328.h75NSN2q026164@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] degrees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a BS degree in geology and an MS in Soil Science. I got my start in costuming because of a willingness to take charge for a local kids theater group and a knowledge of sewing. I have also had the good luck to learn from everything that I have done. Maryann At 05:28 PM 8/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: >But I was just > > curious what > > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > > costuming) > > had gotten their degrees in. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 20:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760vJ0h014325 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:57:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760uwdD009281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760uvUt003031; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h760uqUt002980 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26199 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:23:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:23:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <20030805235349.71699.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bachelor's in journalism. (This keeps food on the table.) Bachelor's in English, with a focus on medieval English literature and honors thesis on costume references in 14th c. narrative poetry. If the university gave minors, I'd have a minor in history; as it was, I had almost enough credits to claim a third bachelor's, in history. Half a master's in communications theory, via which I managed to justify a rare books course. Half a master's in communications theory from another university, via which I managed to justify a paleography course. Alas, two halves do not make a whole. The thesis remains undone. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 21:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761P60h014390 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:25:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761ObdD011883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761OZUt022460; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h761OWUt022433 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-104.gti.net [208.216.115.104]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 668E235330 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F3058BF.4FCF84B3@gti.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:24:15 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <00e701c35ba4$33eadce0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, Egyptology? How neat! What is the focus of that major, I mean Egypt, yes, but which aspects of it? Is it Ancient Egypt? Deb R > After graduating I took a master's level class in Egyptology. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 21:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761nX0h014431 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761msdD013872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761mrUt008401; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761mmUu008317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h761nZbh015654 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:49:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h761nZ8j015652 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:49:35 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:49:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308052149.35228.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h761mmUu008317 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 05 August 2003 11:40 am, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I have two: Art History (concentration in Italian Renaissance) and Computer > Science. I have a Bachelor's of Science in Economics and a law degree. I don't, however, work in costuming; it's just my hobby. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 21:58:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761wE0h014459 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761vqdD014586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h761votu013881; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h761vltu013817 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-116-255-18.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.116.255.18 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 01:57:46 -0000 Message-ID: <034e01c35bbe$219cbda0$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com><008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <200308052149.35228.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:57:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BA in History, MS in Library & Information Science, MA in History. [But you already know that, Heather :) ] - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:00:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7620T0h014473 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76201dD014768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76200tu015316; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h761xvtu015281 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-116-255-18.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.116.255.18 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 01:59:57 -0000 Message-ID: <036901c35bbe$6f81fe90$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805003850.00bce9e8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume College Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Costume College was REALLY good for me this year -- because it was the first year I stayed in the hotel and went to the Gala. Heather Meadows (also on this list) and I co-taught a class on 1830's women's fashions that seemed to go really well, plus I learned to make a capote (Regency hat), and met lots of great people. I'll post the five billion photos I took at some point... - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762FN0h014521 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:15:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762ErdD016170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762Eptu025510; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762Eltu025423 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:14:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-15-181.o1.jps.net ([216.119.15.181] helo=pavilion) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kDp8-0006oV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:14:46 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c35bc0$9d2fa660$b50f77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:15:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] degrees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h762FN0h014521 Status: RO Well, I guess I shall be the only one to say that I don't have a degree at all despite having attended 8 universities/colleges/institutes in six states and two countries and racking up God knows how many credits. If I bothered to collect them all and pay some learning institution a fee I would have a Bachelors in Business with an emphasis in accounting and minors in anthropology, horticulture and textiles. I sort of have a love/hate relationship with the academic world which results in a great deal of eyeball rolling from both sides. My real area of expertise is in experiencing the synchronicity of life and symbolic meaning of dreams and if anyone in the academic world had any sense, my life would be good material for someone's Ph.D. But I doubt that will ever happen and I doubt that I will ever get a Ph.D. either as I can't really embrace the academic world but I do respect those who managed to fit in or adapt and make some formalized achievements. I do tend to avail myself of learning opportunities at every turn though. I am particularly interested at the moment in the renaissance time period and the works of Marshall McLuhan who wrote the book The Gutenberg Galaxy in the sixties. I'm thinking about some more formal studies now that I'm back in the states and there are some very interesting course offerings to choose from. We'll see.......... Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762IM0h014526 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:18:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762HvdD016459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762Hutu027373; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762Hqtu027329 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-63-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.63.46]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BD92F960 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:17:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume College Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <036901c35bbe$6f81fe90$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> Message-Id: <2B24709C-C7B4-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a great time, too! I was up too late worrying about the class we were teaching (Kendra is all smooth experience, but I am a nervous girl) but the Gala was great fun. Next year I'm bringing bottles of champagne with me for silly toasts. I took a class on making a Victorian Corset (and I got almost all the way done with it). and most of Sally Queen's 18th century jackets class. Next year I'd like to re-teach the 1830's class, with some more time since both Kendra and I had more too add. I'd also like to teach one on basic textiles identification. I met some great folks - too many to name them all here, but it was such fun to recognize people from their websites, I have to say! .heather. On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > Costume College was REALLY good for me this year -- because it was the > first > year I stayed in the hotel and went to the Gala. Heather Meadows > (also on > this list) and I co-taught a class on 1830's women's fashions that > seemed to > go really well, plus I learned to make a capote (Regency hat), and met > lots > of great people. > > I'll post the five billion photos I took at some point... > > - Kendra > http://demode.tweedlebop.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:30:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762UH0h014549 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762TldD017445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762Tktu004830; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h762Thtu004789 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-104.gti.net [208.216.115.104]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id CBA283564E for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F306807.18AA53FF@gti.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:29:27 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <005d01c35bb4$99dd1670$63ccadcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a BA in Human Ecology (the new name for Home Economics) with a fashion concentration from Montclair State University. Deb R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 22:37:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762bc0h014562 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762b8dD018141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762b6tu009445; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h762awtv009363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h762bMbh015973 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:37:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h762bHUU015960 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:37:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:37:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <004d01c35bc0$9d2fa660$b50f77d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <004d01c35bc0$9d2fa660$b50f77d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h762awtv009363 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:15 pm, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > Well, I guess I shall be the only one to say that I don't have a degree at > all despite having attended 8 universities/colleges/institutes in six > states and two countries and racking up God knows how many credits. No biggie, as far as I'm concerned. My husband doesn't have a degree either. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 23:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763Hl0h014670 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763HDdD021379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763HBOj005173; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763H8Oj005132 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-209.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.209]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h763H4Os023778 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805200740.00b66f00@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:14:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:21 AM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community >college, and >two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized I'm >probably >rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at >which I could >apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the Theatre >Arts program >at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just curious >what >various programs people on the list (especially those that work in costuming) >had gotten their degrees in. > >I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership >fluctuates ;) BA in History (concentration in 19th and early 20th C. California history); minor in Anthropology. That's the "official" stuff (CSUN, 1984). The "unofficial" stuff: about 50 units of Art and Art History classes (concentrations in Printmaking and Architectural History); enough history, anthropology, sociology, psych, Chicano studies, geography, and political science classes that I qualified for a "subject waiver" for a Social Studies teaching credential; and enough years of working with computers and accounting that I qualified for a second teaching credential to teach computer applications, accounting, and computer networking. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 23:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763YB0h014711 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763XidD022811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763XgOj016154; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763XbOj016091 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kF3R-0001nH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:33:37 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: [h-cost] degrees Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h763XbOj016091 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:15 pm, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > >Well, I guess I shall be the only one to say that I don't have a >> degree at all despite having attended 8 > >universities/colleges/institutes in six states and two countries and > >racking up God knows how many credits. >No biggie, as far as I'm concerned. My husband doesn't have a degree either. No kidding, most of my dearest friends don't either. (God, I sound like someone saying "I'm not a racist!"). But truly, though I know we are all just responding to a question, it is ridiculous that we are all "putting our papers" out there. Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and why.... I got started in historic costuming because I wanted to attend the local commercial Rennaisance Fair as a member of a Guild who promoted the adoption of retired racing greyhounds. I have 'progressed' from that to the SCA..(tee hee). Someday I will seriously do some research and write about it, but for now it is just fun and I really love the pattern drafting part. FYI-since others have asked. I don't sell my patterns or instructions, but you can have 'em for free (okay, shipping and copying you can pay for.) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 5 23:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763fX0h014729 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763f9dD023632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763f8Oj020997; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763f4Oj020967 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-209.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.209]) h763f0oO019406 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:41:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805202906.028db060@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:38:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <000401c35baa$72008330$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <3F3025FA.7010005@misc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:36 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I am so impressed with all of us! We are so smart and so varied. Talk >about the classic Renaissance educations! My mom refers to me as "her professional student." I can excuse it now because I have to take a certain number of units every 5 years to renew my teaching credentials. Wendy wrote: I took a kirtle project on a camping trip recently, and someone commented "You must really like sewing". That's not really it for me. I like having nifty things to wear, and the sewing is a necessary part of the process - it's the showing-off part that attracted me. I think I'm most attracted to the research, so it's probably surprising I ever manage to get anything built. ;-) Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:00:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764030h014772 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763xZdD025380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763xTYZ004022; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h763xJYZ003804 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD112D80082; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:59:13 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD11745029E; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c35bcf$77224b80$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com><3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net><00e701c35ba4$33eadce0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> <3F3058BF.4FCF84B3@gti.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:01:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deb, The course was on Egyptian art. I took it through the VA Museum of Fine Arts and VCU. They had in authorities from all over the world lecturing. It was a few summers ago... I was selected from a number of educators to attend. I remember I posted about it on the list. My favorite part of the class, was interviewing one of the leaders of an excavation team that has been excavating since the 1960s. He was also one of the lecturers. I have always had a fascination with Egypt since a child. We plan for our 30th anniversary (2008) to go spend a month in Egypt to study the sites. My husband spent three months in Egypt with the Multi-National Peacekeeping Forces in the 90s. He got to do a lot of exploring during the time. The other day, someone asked him what was wrong with his knee. He told them that he hurt it in a pyramid. The person thought he was talking about that he was a cheerleader when in college. What a good giggle! He took a tour inside one of the three largest pyramids. As you get deeper into the pyramid, the tunnel get narrow and narrower. He had to get on his hands and knees and crawl.... that was when he hurt his knee. I told him that I wouldn't believe those pyramids were really there until I see a photo of him in front of the pyramids. He sent me back a photo of him on a camel in front of the pyramids. So now I know they are not just in encyclopedia but real!!!!!! Now I have to go see them. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:22:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764Mb0h014811 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:22:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764MBdD027374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764MAYZ019327; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764M6Ya019284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h764Msbh016178 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:22:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h764Mse1016176 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:22:54 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:22:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <3F3025FA.7010005@misc.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030805202906.028db060@pop.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805202906.028db060@pop.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308060022.54171.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h764M6Ya019284 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 05 August 2003 11:38 pm, Dawn Jacobson wrote: > At 04:36 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: [snip] > Wendy wrote: > > I took a kirtle project on a camping trip recently, and someone commented > "You must really like sewing". That's not really it for me. I like having > nifty things to wear, and the sewing is a necessary part of the process - > it's the showing-off part that attracted me. > > I think I'm most attracted to the research, so it's probably surprising I > ever manage to get anything built. ;-) That sounds just like me. I actually hate to sew, but it's the cheapest way to get something that even approaches the costumes I design in my head. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764VA0h014830 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764UWdD028200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764UTYZ025112; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764UPYZ025073 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:30:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kFwN-0000zb-00; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:30:23 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: , Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:30:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35bd3$7f2ae310$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h764VA0h014830 Status: RO Okay I appologize for the cross post but I could really used some constructive criticism. I have posted two web pages which I have been using to convey information to my Flemish class. These pages are really just discussion notes so they are not finished products. The images have been loaded to preserve space, but the pages will still be slow to load. The link below is where I could really use some constructive criticism and suggestions. http://www.saragrace.net/6B_FlemishClass_MUs.html Unfortunatly I can't get one of the pictures to load which would 'justify' a horizontal seam in the front. I will continue to work on that. I have done several mockups for the Breughel style outer gown and would like your thoughts on what else could be done to make them look more like the artwork. I know that people will have different views on what is 'really' there in the artwork and philosophies about how to use artwork, feel free to tell me what you interpret differently and what you can see that I don't with respect to the construction of the gown. Any suggestions on how I can get the upper arm to look more like the pictures (or anything else) would be appreciated. This link is just for if you want to see more artwork and some class discussion. http://www.saragrace.net/6A_FlemishClass.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764XL0h014845 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764WrdD028462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764WnYZ026794; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764WZYZ026516 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4DDCCB0088; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:32:29 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4DE37502A0; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00ac01c35bd4$1d00ec60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c35bb2$f0a66990$b1520940@WorkingGirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your degree in Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:35:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margaret, What do you do with your degree now? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Baird " To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your degree in > I have a BA in Anthropology from U mass Amherst circa 1976 specializing > in pre industrial textile technologies. Spent a few years puttering > about New England doing reenactments and restoring the leathers for flax > wheels in the various historic houses of the Concord/Lexington area, > sewing for people when money got tight. 20 years ago did the course work > for a Master's in Environmental Arts (read Costume and Textiles). For a > variety of reasons I didn't finish the thesis, but I'm looking at > starting over again. Margaret Baird > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:35:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764Zg0h014852 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZLdD028659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZJYZ028356; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZGYZ028321 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kG15-0006t1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:35:15 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:35:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c35bd4$2ce55fd0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000001c35bd3$7f2ae310$6501a8c0@SG01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Untill I can get the webpage to work correctly, here is a cheater way to get to the picture I refered to as not working. http://www.saragrace.net/images/Flem_Class/Breughel/serv_brkf.tif _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764a40h014855 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZedD028699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZZYZ028547; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764ZWYa028506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty1024.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.24]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h764b7VW025548 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3F308471.5020507@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:30:41 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot References: <000901c35baf$cc2b4ca0$9bd7b3cf@y3r8b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Sarah. Here is the citation from "The Ashley Book of Knots". If you need the full info (ISBN, etc.), send me a note privately (there is also an illo, if you can receive a jpeg). Page 385 Chap 31 "Fancy Knots" All quotes from H LeBlanc, Esq. The Art of Tying the Cravat, Philadelphia 1828. Num. 2410 "The Stock" M. LeBlanc terms this tie and method "En Cascade". "The stock is middled at the throat and then one end goes around the neck, one part passing above the other, at the nape. At the front a Granny Knot is tied, care being taken that all parts are flat and fair. Ther upper end is turned directly down over the lower or smaller end and the scarfpin holds everything firm after the folds have been carefully arranged". If the knot is to be tied around the collar the tie is merely passed around the back of the neck and either a Half Knot or a Granny Knot tied at the front before adjusting the pin. M. LeBlanc credits Lord Byron with being the first to cross a tie at the nape of the neck instead of (stockwise) at the front. : end quote:. I will be out of town for a few weeks starting Friday, so a jpeg might have to wait. BTW, all of you H-cost folks going to Pennsic (SCA thingie), please stop by my wife's shop to chat with us (The Practical Goose Sutlery), or leave a note as to where you are camped and when a visit might be appropriate. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:41:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764fm0h014874 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:41:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764fPdD029231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764fNYZ002343; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764fLYZ002313 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-209.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.209]) h764fGoO029020 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805210422.028cee98@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:38:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson In-Reply-To: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: How did you get started in historic costuming? Was: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: degrees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked >before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see >yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and >why.... > >I got started in historic costuming because I wanted to attend the local >commercial Rennaisance Fair as a member of a Guild who promoted the adoption >of retired racing greyhounds. I have 'progressed' from that to the >SCA..(tee hee). Someday I will seriously do some research and write about >it, but for now it is just fun and I really love the pattern drafting part. >FYI-since others have asked. I don't sell my patterns or instructions, but >you can have 'em for free (okay, shipping and copying you can pay for.) I don't remember a time when I didn't dress up to play different time periods. I asked my mother, and she said when I was 6, the neighbor across the street when I was growing up asked why I dressed so oddly; I was playing "dress up." My mother started teaching me needlework when I was 5 (anything to keep an active little girl from complaining, "I'm bored!"), and how to use the sewing machine when I was 9. I started building historic costumes when I was in junior high, and wore vintage clothes from the '40s and '50s to high school in the early 1970s. Renaissance Faires, ACW reenactments, the SCA and Fur Trade rendezvous in college and a couple of theatrical costuming classes for fun, along with learning lots from different people (I love to pick people's brains), and about 20 years of work as an architectural historian and preservationist have gotten me to where I am now: somebody who teaches business and computer classes full-time, and does everything else from building costumes to writing part-time. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 00:45:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764jt0h014881 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764jTdD029592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764jQYZ004647; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h764jMYZ004605 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-29-139.o1.jps.net ([216.119.29.139] helo=w7m1l6) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kGAr-0002Mq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c35bd5$60312120$8b1d77d8@w7m1l6> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:28:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0175e62059bacab5209f73576cfcabda3ddcb93fe9c698924350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well I am another of the group with more than one degree. I have a AA and BA in Theater Arts - Costuming. Which has helped in a lot in my hobbies, but not made me a living ever. I also have an AA in Catering, which I did for a good number of years, before burning out. Cute story, I was working as a Security Guard, LONG story I needed to think and this paid me to do that, and one day one of the office workers at the building I was assigned to suggested that this was a good time in my life to take some night college courses and as she put it "Make something of myself". I just explained to her that I had three degrees, and I doing this because it suited my needs. The look on her face was priceless, Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > > > I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > fluctuates ;) > > thanks! > .heather. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 01:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h765640h014916 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7655ZdD001780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7655Xgt018100; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7655Vgt018079 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-63-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.63.46]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D606D2F92F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:05:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: <9B50B7B2-C7CB-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7655Vgt018079 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO nor do i -- or I wouldn't have asked. and I've taken classes for years at at least 5 schools.... I'm just trying to focus a bit, so maybe I can get one before I'm 40! On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:37 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:15 pm, Lisa Sinervo wrote: >> Well, I guess I shall be the only one to say that I don't have a >> degree at >> all despite having attended 8 universities/colleges/institutes in six >> states and two countries and racking up God knows how many credits. > > No biggie, as far as I'm concerned. My husband doesn't have a degree > either. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > No man is rich enough to buy back his > past. Oscar Wilde > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 01:10:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h765Ar0h014922 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:10:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h765ALdD002463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h765AKgt021517; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h765AHgt021437 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADB3CDF0088; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:10:11 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADB46DF0266; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00fc01c35bd9$611060c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9B50B7B2-C7CB-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:12:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather, I got my degree one month before my 40th birthday. 40 was a goal for me too! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 03:22:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h767Mm0h011779 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h767KddD013645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h767Ka4P014062; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h767KX4P013983 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:20:28 BST Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:20:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > > at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just > curious what > various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > costuming) > had gotten their degrees in. Got a German MA (apparently equivalent to a British MPhil) in English Historical Linguistics (specialising in Old English), English Literature, and Economics from Aachen University. Currently doing research for a PhD on 17th c. Women's Studies & Fashion. Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 04:01:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768190h029111 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:01:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7680fdD016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7680ddS006473; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7680ZdS006442 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.134]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h768O6P23188 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:24:09 +1000 Message-ID: <066201c35bf1$3dfad300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:03:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gee, I feel SO undereducated! I only have one degree - Bach. Applied Science in Mathematics, majoring in Computing and Operations Research. I still work in the computing field. The mathematics has come in handy, I think, because I have little problems drafting patterns, even though I am completely non-artistic. Don't use it for much else, apart from helping the kids with their homework. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 04:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7688f0h031471 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7688LdD016834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7688JdS010799; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7688FdS010774 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7688Gf20333.; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:08:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:08:12 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:07:57 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's yourdegree in? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>Cathy wrote: > > That sounds just like me. I actually hate to sew, but it's the cheapest way >to get something that even approaches the costumes I design in my head. I'm glad I'm not the only person on the list who doesn't actually like sewing! I have a joint bachelor's degree in librarianship and French. I have no costume-related qualifications, but I've been a reenactor for 26 years and make garments when I know what I want and can't buy it from the traders. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 04:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768Yi0h009616 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:34:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768YKdD018758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768YJdS026525; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768YFdS026445 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.159.229bf571 (4568) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <159.229bf571.2c62177c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:34:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's your degree in? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2003 10:41:41 PM Central Standard Time, dme_maud@pacbell.net writes: > I think I'm most attracted to the research, so it's probably surprising I > ever manage to get anything built. ;-) > That is so me. I LOOOOOOOVE the research. I don't mind the handsewing or embroidery. But the sewing machine....bleah. But with my kids and other stuff, if I didn't resort to the machine, I'd never get anything done. Bleh. It's why I don't take commissions or sew for money......cuz zthat's not the fun part. -Sarra Wryght www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 04:35:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768Z20h009749 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768UgdD018472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768UedS024194; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768UadS024100 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACA6D5B0076; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:30:30 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACA71F101A2; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <012701c35bf5$5b594cc0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:33:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think an interesting question to ask is how many people with costuming/theater/home EC./fashion/textile/museum studies degrees actually work in their fields after graduation. Maybe this is what Melissa(?) wanted to know. And how many people hold jobs/businesses in the fields without degrees. I can speak for the people that I have kept in touch with since college. We had about 30 fashion majors graduate with fashion degrees in the semester I graduated. All but two are employed in the industry. In my costume classes, of the ones I graduated with or with a year that I did... 4 undergrads... all but one are in the industry. Two of the CD grad students, one kept on designing for theaters and the other one took a teaching job. Of the other two undergrad CD students, one went to work at Colonial Williamsburg, and the other at a theme park. Most of the fashion merchandising students went to work as buyers. The saying among these students was if you didn't cut it as a buyer you went into retail management. Of the fashion design students, one went on for a masters and the other taught at the university. Another burned out and just gave up. I knew a CD student who did the same. Some of the FD students went on to work under NYC designers as cutters or drapers. A good many of the curators I know have masters degrees. Some are former theater designers or professors. For some reason, I see a lot of retired elementary to high school teachers as vintage clothing dealers. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 04:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768mT0h017177 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:48:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768iEdD019436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768iCdS002351; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h768i9dS002280 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFD4C00092; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:44:04 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFD45A6024E; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <014501c35bf7$40232280$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> <066201c35bf1$3dfad300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:46:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glenda, That is interesting... most colleges today are wanting people in computer programming and such to have a heavy background in math. Have you thought about combing your computer/math skills in to some of the computer sewing software? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > Gee, I feel SO undereducated! > > I only have one degree - Bach. Applied Science in Mathematics, majoring in > Computing and Operations Research. I still work in the computing field. > > The mathematics has come in handy, I think, because I have little problems > drafting patterns, even though I am completely non-artistic. Don't use it > for much else, apart from helping the kids with their homework. > > Glenda. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 05:23:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769NR0h019356 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769N1dD022163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769MjaI005901; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769MfaI005715 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-37-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.37.93])h769MdoN020799 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:22:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030806012652.053f3540@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:07:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How did you get started in historic costuming? Was: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: degrees In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805210422.028cee98@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked >>before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see >>yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and >>why.... My mother gave me Davenport's costume book when I was 8, for my birthday, and 20 years later gave the read-to-death remains of it a re-binding, again as a birthday present. (I still have this book, and treasure it.) I didn't learn to sew from her, but took notes after I learned from somebody else. She combined pieces from different patterns, or made her own patterns, and I always knew one could do that. So when I started historical costuming in the SCA in 1971, I made my own patterns for that too. This is after doing most of my own clothes and Halloween costumes from junior high school onwards. I joined the SCA, having heard that one had to wear a historical costume to SCA events, and made a trained 'Albrecht Durer' dress and 'origami' hat to wear there. I figured out all the patterns myself, and truly amazed the t-tunic crowd I met at my first event. This was before the Janet Arnold books came out, and the best we had, later on, was that large format book with a page of pictures, a page of text, and two pages of patterns, male and female, which was intended for stage (name?). My first Elizabethan was a big white 1590's thing with a drum farthingale, and my first corset, for SCA Twelfthnight in 1973. I did many different SCA periods, regardless of country or persona, and branched out into Georgian, Regency, Victorian and Edwardian as soon as I found excuses, or venues to wear them in. I'm not a costume scholar. I am serious about the recreation of costumes, but my strong point is shapes and patterns. I notice how things like sleeves morph over the decades, and am pretty good at spotting new influences as they begin to show up in the fashion plates before they become really fashionable. So my costumes are usually the right shape and proportion, even if they are not always made of the right fabrics (sometimes totally wrong on purpose). I get most of my information about any period from practically meditating on contemporary images, and am quick to notice the differences between the original and subsequent re-drawings. Reading comprehension is difficult for me, so I get very little information from the text in my costume books, however scholarly. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 05:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769XI0h019389 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769WudD023588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769WqaI023435; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769WgaI023218 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from laptop.ntlworld.com ([62.252.228.40]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.comESMTP <20030806093240.PTUL7553.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@laptop.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:32:40 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.14.0.20030805225840.02204b08@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.14 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:59:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees In-Reply-To: <3F300EBF.9000504@ripco.com> References: <200308051801.h75I14NO019927@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55651973; boundary="=======468C94=======" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======468C94======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55651973; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The first one is in Art History and English, and then I have an MBA Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT Award winning Historical Romance author. The Richard and Rose books from Novelbooks Inc. YORKSHIRE, DEVONSHIRE and now VENICE VANESSA from Awe-Struck books http://www.geocities.com/lynne_connolly2001/ --=======468C94======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======468C94=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 05:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769id0h019415 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769iHdD024432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769i6aI004986; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (mta8-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h769hvaI004877 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Imedia5043 ([80.1.12.112]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030806094349.GPEM29034.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@Imedia5043> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: <014501c35bff$32e74030$700c0150@Imedia5043> From: "Dawn Wood" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> <012701c35bf5$5b594cc0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:43:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did a fashion design/pattern cutting degree and everything else is learned on the job. It has been useful in some ways but as we all know the various areas of theatre, fashion and 'real' historical are made in very different ways so continually learning I have been tempted to do the Courtaulds MA in costume but it's a dry course (there aren't any practical research degrees over here sadly) and apart from it being easier to publish research etc is not really going to help. I also applied a few years ago to do a theatre costume degree but was told it probably wasn't worth my while as I'd been in the business and earned a crust without one Btw I also hate sewing even though I do it daily to me it's the costume equivalent of filing particularly hems and buttonholes, still has to be done Dawn Ages Of Elegance makers of Historical reproduction Clothing, Uniforms and Bridalwear http://www.agesofelegance.co.uk 0113 277 6716 ----- Original Message ----- > I think an interesting question to ask is how many people with > costuming/theater/home EC./fashion/textile/museum studies degrees actually > work in their fields after graduation. Maybe this is what Melissa(?) > wanted to know. And how many people hold jobs/businesses in the fields > without degrees. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 06:25:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76APv0h019479 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76APYdD027372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76APXYI002152; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76APTYI002126 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 04:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h76APWf27208.; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:25:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:25:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:24:59 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Mike quoted... > M. LeBlanc credits Lord Byron with being the first to cross a tie at the >nape of the neck instead of (stockwise) at the front. Lord Byron, as a Romantic poet, started the fashion for wearing the shirt-collar open, or a loose necktie, at a time when gentlemen normally wore high, starched cravats. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 07:14:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76BEp0h019673 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76BEQdD002280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76BENPw001501; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76BEKPw001415 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3FA31B250C for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009c01c35c0b$de322610$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004d01c35bc0$9d2fa660$b50f77d8@pavilion> <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:14:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:15 pm, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > Well, I guess I shall be the only one to say that I don't have a degree at > > all despite having attended 8 universities/colleges/institutes in six > > states and two countries and racking up God knows how many credits. > > No biggie, as far as I'm concerned. My husband doesn't have a degree either. Neither do I or my husband. He doesn't need one to be a DJ, and circumstances (coupled with some healthy stupidity) kept me from going when I was young. I would love to go now, but we have four children at home (three disabled) and my husband and I work opposite shifts so we don't have to use daycare. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 08:42:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CgW0h019829 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Cg5dD010028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Cg3lU024882; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CfxlU024801 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m198.in-tch.com [216.166.191.198]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h76CMKX16085 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F30F807.74AECB4A@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:43:51 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what's yourdegree in? References: <159.229bf571.2c62177c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me, too! ;o) I'm definitely a research and embroidery junkie. Well, and a fabric junkie, too. I *know* how to machine sew, and am actually pretty good at it for a lot of things, but 7 years of sewing awnings and tents and tipis and bajillions of customized outfitters' products REALLY burned me out! So now, I put off the machine sewing until the last possible minute, and then do it all at once, like swallowing nasty-tasting medicine. I'm also learning to do hand-sewn garments, starting with a mid/late 18th c. middle-class outfit (from a couple of classes I took through Penny's website). It's loads of fun, and completely different from anything I "normally" do. --sue LoreleiMorte@aol.com wrote: > > That is so me. I LOOOOOOOVE the research. I don't mind the handsewing or > embroidery. But the sewing machine....bleah. But with my kids and other stuff, if > I didn't resort to the machine, I'd never get anything done. Bleh. It's why I > don't take commissions or sew for money......cuz zthat's not the fun part. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 08:48:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Cmk0h019839 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:48:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CmHdD010629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CmGlU029327; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [63.251.216.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CmDlU029289 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from megan2 (pcp04229141pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.37.6.107]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16FA1C53B for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: How did you get started in historic costuming? Was:Maybe we should change the subject? Was: degrees Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030805210422.028cee98@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was taught to sew when I was a child on my mother's 1939 Singer 201; I remember making a pants and jacket combination in 8th grade when the rest of the class was making aprons. I also took a sewing class with my sister at Sears when I was 12 and we made clothes to wear at the fashion show at the end. I stopped sewing much except my formal dresses until after college (at that age I didn't want "home-made clothes" but I didn't have a serger either), but bought my first sewing machine within a year of graduation. Didn't sew that much except Halloween costumes (sewing is much more expensive than buying at Wal-Mart or other retailers like that) until I found the Ren Festivals. THen I found the SCA and the interest just blossomed. I was never really taught to fit patterns well, though, so I still have disappointments when sewing as I am NOT the standard size. Still working on that, but have managed to make myself clothes anyway. I don't make much closely fitted modern clothing, but I much prefer shirts made by me to anything from the store. And I get strange lookes when wearing 17th century shirts and vests with jeans. I just love that! But still working on it. I get a kick out of having a well-constructed garment that I made. My least favorite part is laying out and cutting. The dress I just finished for Pennsic (ok, still hemming that 360 cm hem by hand) had all the edges finished on the serger, but all seams sewn on my 1920s Singer treadle machine. Love that to, very relaxing. I better quit rambling now, -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 08:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CtG0h019865 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CstdD011269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CsrlU004657; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76CsplU004631 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h76CsmHH015332 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:02:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My bachelors is in mathematics. My masters is in library and information science. Weird combination, I know. :) Sheryl Nance-Durst At 08:21 AM 8/5/03 -0700, you wrote: >But I was just curious what >various programs people on the list (especially those that work in costuming) >had gotten their degrees in. > >thanks! >.heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 09:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DL30h019922 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DKSdD013315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DKQVt021570; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DKKVt021508 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h76DKJft007158 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: GreyGoose To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO General Physical Sciences (B.S>, Meteorology I had wanted to major in theatre, but soon realized that I didn't have the talent to make a career out of that. I think I nearly put together an unofficial minor in early mediveal history and culture, but there wasn't any such thing way back when ('75). Joanna lurker extradorinaire On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Jean Waddie wrote: > Linguistics. My husband has Physics with a single credit in Byzantine > History. > > Jean > > Heather Meadows wrote > > > >So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community > >college, and > >two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized > >I'm probably > >rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at > >which I could > >apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the > >Theatre Arts program > >at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just > >curious what > >various programs people on the list (especially those that work in > >costuming) > >had gotten their degrees in. > > > >I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership > >fluctuates ;) > > > >thanks! > >.heather. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 09:29:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DTm0h019944 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DTKdD014078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DTGVt027452; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web42002.mail.yahoo.com (web42002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.170]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h76DTCVt027297 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030806132906.85492.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.166.233.158] by web42002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:29:06 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: liz haines Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <014501c35bff$32e74030$700c0150@Imedia5043> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't have a degree in anything but have so many credits in different disciplines that I could probably make one up. I started to do a history degree, switched to Biology, then ran away to fashion school , got homesick and came back to NB,Canada and tried to finish the fashion, Courses were full so I ended up in pottery,with abit of weaving on the side. I now work in a museum as collections manager doing project work at the moment that involves the textiles collection and learning hands on about conservation. So I guess you could say that I amusing all of my education in one way or another. cheers, liz Dawn Wood wrote: I did a fashion design/pattern cutting degree and everything else is learned on the job. It has been useful in some ways but as we all know the various areas of theatre, fashion and 'real' historical are made in very different ways so continually learning I have been tempted to do the Courtaulds MA in costume but it's a dry course (there aren't any practical research degrees over here sadly) and apart from it being easier to publish research etc is not really going to help. I also applied a few years ago to do a theatre costume degree but was told it probably wasn't worth my while as I'd been in the business and earned a crust without one Btw I also hate sewing even though I do it daily to me it's the costume equivalent of filing particularly hems and buttonholes, still has to be done Dawn Ages Of Elegance makers of Historical reproduction Clothing, Uniforms and Bridalwear http://www.agesofelegance.co.uk 0113 277 6716 ----- Original Message ----- > I think an interesting question to ask is how many people with > costuming/theater/home EC./fashion/textile/museum studies degrees actually > work in their fields after graduation. Maybe this is what Melissa(?) > wanted to know. And how many people hold jobs/businesses in the fields > without degrees. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 09:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Dft0h019986 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DfEdD015142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Df8Vt005303; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DexVt005141 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:40:58 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:40:46 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BA in history with a minor in english lit, both mostly focusing on 18th century or earlier. My mother sewed a lot of my sister's and my clothes as we were growing up, partially for economy, partially because we were a tall family and it was hard to buy off the rack for us back then. We all learned to sew early to help out. I actually learned to sew on my greatgrandmother's treadle machine. My interest in history started early and I can't remember a time it wasn't tied into costuming. I did take a real class on costume history in college to fill out some credit hours and helped start a cataloqueing system for costumes at the local museum (which had some to die-for neat 'stuff'! It was really great to have the opportunity to see inside the garments and study construction). As I discovered the local renfaire and SCA the sewing experience came in handy but I find I really enjoyed the research, and now the handwork/embroidery, over producing endless costumes/garb. And now dollmaking is calling my name...... Catherine who is in the middle finishing a ton of costumes for KCRF which opens in 3 weeks and is just a little crispy on the edges. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 09:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DnT0h020012 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DmxdD015795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DmtVt010709; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76DmpVt010679 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.154.50.184]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 6.0.4) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:47:45 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01c35c20$c8e49bc0$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> <012701c35bf5$5b594cc0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:43:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > I think an interesting question to ask is how many people with > costuming/theater/home EC./fashion/textile/museum studies degrees actually > work in their fields after graduation. For me, I started in Art History because I love art. I wanted to either work in a museum or go to law school. I didn't want to be a lawyer, I wanted to be an advocate for the arts. This was during the "Jesse Helms attacking the arts" years. I moved to Boston because it is a cool town ;-) and because I had a shot at a job in a gallery at Brandeis University. Didn't get the job there, but ended up as a research assistant doing public health policy. I have been a non-clinician in health care ever since. I went back to school to get my computer science degree... the programmers were always so busy, so I would do my own programming when I could. They made more money so I figured I should just get the education and get one of those jobs. That is exactly what I did. I worked as a development programmer for a -big- medical software company. Now I live in Atlanta and am a consultant working with that software. I get to work from home and travel around the US (and sometimes Canada) about once a month to teach. What does this have to do with costuming or art? They remain very close to my heart..... but, baby, the programming pays for a LOT of fabric!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 10:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EDA0h020055 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EBqdD018237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EBNWt027410; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EB4Wt027022 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp456786pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net[68.51.39.237](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003080614105701100cfuk8e>; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:10:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:09:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Allison To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308060334.h763Y6Ok016429@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <973A26F2-C817-11D7-A67A-000393D446D6@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I'll go next - I have a BFA in Graphic Design, with extra credit for Bad Timing: I graduated in 1979, just before computers entered the field, so all the things I learned to do by hand can now be done by a mouse click. I also have enough hours and professional experience in theatre to qualify for at least a minor in Technical Theatre, and probably another degree in Performance. My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many costumers on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the fields of computer science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for folks involved in SCA. I went to Costume Con for the first time this year. After meeting a few people, I began assuming everyone else there was probably in the technical field in their "day" jobs. As an artsy-fartsy chick, I felt really out of my element! It's no wonder I've not had any exposure to the world of cons and costuming outside of the theatre - I've been hangin' with the wrong sort of people! No complaints; I just think it's odd...and I am dee-lighted to have stumbled upon this world. Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 10:45:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EjZ0h020202 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EdhdD021319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EdWWt019852; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EdSWt019782 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-008-031.jps.net ([216.119.8.31] helo=w7m1l6) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kPRn-0002BM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c35c28$5eec5660$1f0877d8@w7m1l6> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <159.229bf571.2c62177c@aol.com> <3F30F807.74AECB4A@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what'syourdegree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:38:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0175e62059bacab5270fbaef04fd6f536652ae60dd788a889350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what'syourdegree in? > Me, too! ;o) I'm definitely a research and embroidery junkie. Well, and > a fabric junkie, too. Ok, I am strange, I would much rather cut and sew then have to do research. I can do the research if I have to, but it gives me no joy. That's the great thing about this list I get exposed to new ideas, with out having to come up with them myself. Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 10:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EvK0h020219 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:57:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EsNdD023095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EreWt002188; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h76ErJWt001762 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OgYTVgaEC87kKbaqDNggFi4=">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:52:20 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6WJYCZV; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:52:20 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:01:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How did you get started in historic costuming? Was: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: degrees Message-ID: <20030806.075125.1532.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a Masters in History and political science, and a Minor in music. I don't sew, but learn all sorts of things here to pass on to my friends who do, especially those who sew for me. ;) My fiber arts are confined to a few different styles of historic embroidery, at which I still consider myself very much a learner. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 10:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Exv0h020228 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76ExTdD023650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76EwO1b006711; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt26.cluster1.charter.net (remt26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Ew31b006286 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.37.46] (HELO [192.168.1.105]) by remt26.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 110776242; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:57:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:57:27 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 cc: Sheryl Nance-Durst X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My bachelor's is in chemistry. Doing almost nothing with it now, except sometimes mixing up batches of noxious substances as a part of metalsmithing/jewlery-making! -Amanda F. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 11:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F4v0h020239 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F4UdD024324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F4S1b012336; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-f93.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.247.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F4M1b012166 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:04:17 -0700 Received: from 140.161.57.38 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:04:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.161.57.38] X-Originating-Email: [moefen@hotmail.com] From: "" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:04:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 15:04:17.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[018D26D0:01C35C2C] Subject: [h-cost] What your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Out of lurking because I haven't seen my profession represented! I have a diploma as a library technician. That's for working in the technical side of the library, as opposed to the reference or management side that requires more schooling to become a librarian. I am leaving that field now, because the job prospects have become very thin. It took 8 months to find a one year contract job, which is ending at the end of the month. Then I have decided to go back to school and turn the volunteer hobby of costuming into a profession. I'm going to take a one year Costuming for Film and Television course here in Vancouver, get my union ticket and work on the features. Movies for money, theatre for love of art. I've decided if you are going to be unemployed, might as well be unemployed doing something you love! Moira _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 11:09:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F9R0h020249 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F8sdD024863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F8p1b016300; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76F8m1b016261 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip105.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.105]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460816DD88 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:08:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Message-ID: <3F30B78B.16890.55C24749@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:21 AM 8/5/03 -0700, you wrote: >But I was just curious what various programs people on the list (especially those that work in >costuming) had gotten their degrees in. > >thanks! >.heather. No degree in costuming. BS in Bacteriology and Public Health (AKA Microbiology) and MD with board cert in Pediatrics. All the costuming and history stuff is done on the side. ;) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 11:25:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FP50h020268 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:25:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FOVdD026773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FOH1b000516; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FNt1b000132 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kQ8n-0007WZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:23:53 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:24:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c35c2e$ca9d3fe0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h76FNt1b000132 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I've decided if you are going to be unemployed, might as well be unemployed >doing something you love! Moira _________________________ This is SO true! I have been unemployed for the last 6 months and am loving it! If you had asked me a few years ago would I ever not work for 6 months I would have told you NO WAY! It has completely changed my outlook on life. I will probably always work but take sabbaticals every few years. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 11:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FYf0h020279 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FYFdD027989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76FXl1b010138; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41113.mail.yahoo.com (web41113.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h76FWR1b008736 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030806153221.35785.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.145.104.203] by web41113.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:32:21 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Stacey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200308060334.h763Y6Ol016429@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: net.indra.com 1072; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] Degrees, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deb R. I'm an MSU alum, too! I went for Music Composition, and while there, I had a roomie who was into reenacting and I caught the costuming bug. I'm on an economic hiatus from FIT at the moment, but I was going for Patternmaking. As far as any learning through life experience, I've been in the pop music marketing field, graphic design, publishing, and pharmaceutical marketing. All through it, I've been sewing. Partly for inexpensive clothes that fit, partly 'cause I'm a diva. Stacey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 12:22:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76GMe0h020412 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76GM2dD004117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76GLidB028064; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76GLadB027824 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp04599099pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net[68.55.87.127](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003080616213101100ch29re> (Authid: cozit); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:21:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3F312B0B.8090006@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:21:31 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200308061412.h76ECkWu028483@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200308061412.h76ECkWu028483@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *g* I'm an oddball... while I started in Computer Science, my eventual degree was a BS in Information Systems Management (yes, more business than computer... but...). Ok... still a job that you can get paid decently for... However, during the last few years of that I added on the certification program for Elementary Education that my university offered. *g* Having married someone in Computer Science, we decided that I could "afford" to teach... which I'd rather have started out with (actually I had 3 preferred majors... none of which meant a decent paying job, so...) I'm hoping to go back for my Master in School Library Media Science (yeah, at least one of the 3 schools in the state that offer it actually calls it that). I've decided that I'd rather be a media specialist than a classroom teacher... and Maryland now requires the Master degree in that field in order to be certified for it. As far as Computer/Engineer types and the arts.... it was observed by many people at U. of Md, College Park that any time you looked around the Fine Arts building (Tawes at the time) that about half the people you saw there were people who were actually majoring in one of the Fine Arts... the other half was mostly folks from Comp. Sci. or Engineering. Ever since then I've figured that sci-fi cons were the outlet that geeks created for their "creative side" :-) (Sigh... and some of those things are rather amusing when you dress "normal"... some of you out there have heard of the term "freaking the mundanes"... or just "wierding out" the normal folks? I have friends who have been known to mess with the minds of some of the die-hard fans. *g* And yeah, I'll do it to idiots if they give me an opening. One of the cons I went to out in Oregon, I was pregnant, so had my "normal" t-shirt pregnant clothes on... and was on my own. The fact that I was in line to register should have tipped of the dunces behind me... but no. Two of them told their friends to "behave, she's going to think we're all strange"... because they were having an evil laugh contest. No contest... the one that came from me a few moments later had them stunned, and one down kowtowing :-) Costumes don't *always* look like something "unusual" :-) -Elisabeth >From: Allison > >My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many >costumers on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the fields >of computer science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for folks >involved in SCA. I went to Costume Con for the first time this year. >After meeting a few people, I began assuming everyone else there was >probably in the technical field in their "day" jobs. As an >artsy-fartsy chick, I felt really out of my element! It's no wonder >I've not had any exposure to the world of cons and costuming outside of >the theatre - I've been hangin' with the wrong sort of people! > >No complaints; I just think it's odd...and I am dee-lighted to have >stumbled upon this world. > >Allison > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 13:49:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76HnM0h020587 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76HmpdD015450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Hml1m028224; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Hmf1m028060 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1eb.e668260 (4446) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.e668260.2c629972@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:48:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. I have an Associated Equiv. in Electronics from the Navy, I did 1 year of pre-Nursing, and tomorrow I go back to register for something else.....probably something computer-y. -Sarra Wryght www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 14:14:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IEq0h020634 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:14:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IEJdD018922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IEE0m024797; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IDW0m023944 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VALINOR ([65.50.96.88]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030806181234.MJRQ392870.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <011d01c35c46$6aaaf240$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:13:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [65.50.96.88] using ID at Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:12:33 -0400 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have no degree, although I did major in Celtic Studies at the University of Toronto. I have recently completed my diploma in Illustration from the Ontario College of Art and Design, and am attempting to kickstart an illustration career. Unfortunately this requires a lot of self-promotion, something I'm terrible at. -.-;; -- Maral http://sarcasm.fanfic.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 14:17:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IHu0h020668 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IHSdD019387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IHR0m027901; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt30.cluster1.charter.net (remt30.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IHN0m027728 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.169.188.93] (HELO charter.net) by remt30.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 111296701 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3F3145F6.87A07F09@charter.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:16:22 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What your degree in? References: <011d01c35c46$6aaaf240$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am new to this group. Where does one post messages? Cheers, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 14:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IRv0h021120 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:27:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IRQdD020732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IRO0m008482; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IRL0m008337 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1d0.ecf5457 (4568) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.ecf5457.2c62a273@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:26:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What your degree in? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/6/2003 11:07:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moefen@hotmail.com writes: > Movies for money, theatre for love of art. > Good luck! [I mean that] Be ready to travel all the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 14:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IYs0h021135 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IYNdD021557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IYM0m015359; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76IXw0m014953 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-37-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.37.93])h76IXnoN003328 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030806111702.053d1cb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:33:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation In-Reply-To: <973A26F2-C817-11D7-A67A-000393D446D6@comcast.net> References: <200308060334.h763Y6Ok016429@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Interesting. I have a button that says "The more I find out about computers, the better I like my pencil. I do, by hand, the kind of graphics it takes my computer geek Sweetie hours to do on the computer. We have a scanner so my hand-drawn stuff can get into the computer for him to geek with. (For example, I did the line art for my business card, then he played coloring book with it in Photoshop till I liked the colors.) But since I live near the Silicon Valley, and most of my costuming friends are, or are married to (or both), computer geeks, a lot of it has rubbed off on me, and I at least have a clue when I hear computer stuff discussed. Mostly I discuss costume stuff with these folks, and stay in my element whenever I can. They start discussing the latest hardware, and I'm out of there. I have no college degree whatsoever, and no job either. I'm doing all my artsy-fartsy on a shoestring budget these days. >Okay, I'll go next - I have a BFA in Graphic Design, with extra credit for >Bad Timing: I graduated in 1979, just before computers entered the field, >so all the things I learned to do by hand can now be done by a mouse >click. I also have enough hours and professional experience in theatre to >qualify for at least a minor in Technical Theatre, and probably another >degree in Performance. > >My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many costumers >on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the fields of computer >science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for folks involved in >SCA. I went to Costume Con for the first time this year. >After meeting a few people, I began assuming everyone else there was >probably in the technical field in their "day" jobs. As an artsy-fartsy >chick, I felt really out of my element! It's no wonder I've not had any >exposure to the world of cons and costuming outside of the theatre - I've >been hangin' with the wrong sort of people! > >No complaints; I just think it's odd...and I am dee-lighted to have >stumbled upon this world. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 15:04:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76J4e0h021223 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:04:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76J4DdD025024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76J4BSV015422; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.mtco.com (pro6.mtco.com [207.179.200.252]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h76J46SV015315 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26357 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 19:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO y3r8b8) (207.179.215.195) by ns.mtco.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 19:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c35c4d$a7936dc0$c3d7b3cf@y3r8b8> From: "Sarah Jane Edwards" <1warcry@mtco.com> To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c35baf$cc2b4ca0$9bd7b3cf@y3r8b8> <3F308471.5020507@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:05:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Mike. The instructions were pretty clear, so right now I don't think I'll need the jpeg. I have an illustration in a fashion book, but no instructions on how to tie it. I thought it was so nice looking, I'm thrilled I can try it out now! Thanks so much, I really appreciate your help. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot > Hi, Sarah. Here is the citation from "The Ashley Book of Knots". If you > need the full info (ISBN, etc.), send me a note privately (there is also > an illo, if you can receive a jpeg). Page 385 Chap 31 "Fancy Knots" All > quotes from H LeBlanc, Esq. The Art of Tying the Cravat, Philadelphia > 1828. Num. 2410 "The Stock" M. LeBlanc terms this tie and method "En > Cascade". "The stock is middled at the throat and then one end goes > around the neck, one part passing above the other, at the nape. At the > front a Granny Knot is tied, care being taken that all parts are flat > and fair. Ther upper end is turned directly down over the lower or > smaller end and the scarfpin holds everything firm after the folds have > been carefully arranged". If the knot is to be tied around the collar > the tie is merely passed around the back of the neck and either a Half > Knot or a Granny Knot tied at the front before adjusting the pin. M. > LeBlanc credits Lord Byron with being the first to cross a tie at the > nape of the neck instead of (stockwise) at the front. : end quote:. I > will be out of town for a few weeks starting Friday, so a jpeg might > have to wait. BTW, all of you H-cost folks going to Pennsic (SCA > thingie), please stop by my wife's shop to chat with us (The Practical > Goose Sutlery), or leave a note as to where you are camped and when a > visit might be appropriate. Cheers, Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 15:18:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JIk0h021270 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JINdD026646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JIGSV029165; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JHFSV028148 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:15 -0600 (MDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Thread-Index: AcNcLLwqD5gIqV+WQb2TjJ9ReVHtEQAHVQ3g From: "Colleen McDonald" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h76JHFSV028148 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >But I was just curious what various programs people on the list (especially those that work in >costuming) had gotten their degrees in. > >thanks! >.heather. Got my BA in Business Administration. All of the costuming and research is on the side, even though several people have suggested that I go back for a Master's. My response - "Why?". I like what I'm doing, it's probably never going to be my means of earning a living and I think pursuing it academically might cause me to stop liking it. I'm pretty self-motivated and don't like being told what I have to study. Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 15:32:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JWK0h021330 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JVidD028349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JVgSV013570; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76JVdSV013499 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kU0Y-0004Dl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:31:38 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c35c51$6732e180$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F3145F6.87A07F09@charter.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h76JVdSV013499 Subject: [h-cost] Welcome Joe-where to post messages.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welcome Joe, you posted to the right place... you just happened to join on a "what do you do for a living, where have you gone to school" sharing discussion. Normally there is more costume talk....just be patient...or ask a question! Saragrace (a.k.a. Sg) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 16:26:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76KQY0h021473 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:26:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76KQ9dD005605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76KQ6RP009954; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76KQ4RP009831 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp456786pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net[68.51.39.237](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003080620255801300kgsrre>; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:25:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:24:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Allison To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308061801.h76I0x0n011773@net.indra.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] career choices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, Sarra wrote: > I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Hear, hear! and here: Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 17:03:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76L3j0h021544 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76L33dD010150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76L31ZI018430; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76L2vZI018381 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kVQv-000BQT-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:02:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:42:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost]Unemployment, WAS What your degree in? References: <000d01c35c2e$ca9d3fe0$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <000d01c35c2e$ca9d3fe0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I started re-enacting while I was at Uni, and made a few costumes, but I made more, and started tablet-weaving, when I was unemployed for a year after graduating. It was scary to find, about four years ago, that I hadn't made any new costumes in all the time I'd been working! (I've got started again now) Jean Saragrace T. Knauf wrote >>I've decided if you are going to be unemployed, might as well be unemployed > >>doing something you love! > >Moira >_________________________ >This is SO true! I have been unemployed for the last 6 months and am loving >it! If you had asked me a few years ago would I ever not work for 6 months >I would have told you NO WAY! It has completely changed my outlook on life. >I will probably always work but take sabbaticals every few years. > >Sg > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 19:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76N5H0h021732 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:05:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76MxJdD024431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76MxHDr015825; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76MxDDr015672 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A83B18F50076; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:59:07 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A83B10C01EE; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c35c6e$b554d720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:01:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Colleen, I can understand but sometimes being told that you HAVE to take a class, can open new doors. Believe it or not, I didn't want to take computer classes. I went in kicking and screaming. And my first class was not a nice one... MS DOS. I came home every night and cried (and got a stiff drink.) I made it through the class, and HAD to take two more computer classes. Well, I fell in love with those classes... and took six more. I went in kicking and screaming after taking art history... I took one semester of seeing how many slides you can memorize. I talked to my professors and they substituted costume history and film history classes for art history. YIPPEE!!!! One thing about art history, I did learn the tricks for memorizing dates and names. Again, kicking and screaming that I didn't want to take a foreign language... I took yucky poetry instead. Cried through that class too... but used the class... one of my first clients wanted what???? Poetry on her website. BTW, I now wish that I had taken French. A lot of my fashion books need French translating. You just never know what life has in store for you. I can say this from my experience... don't take art history and costume history in the same semester. It can confuse the hell out of you. Don't take tech writing and creative writing in back to back semester. It messes your mind up. Lastly, I put more into my time and effort into my costume classes than any other classes. There is a lot of information to learn. In one costume history class, we started out with 30 something students and ended the class with four. A lot of people think it will be an easy class. Its not. It requires a lot of hours of studying a week. One of my final exams was five hours long. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 19:41:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Nf20h021769 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NeYdD028763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NeXnK019633; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NeVnK019615 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=SG01) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kXtP-0005mL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:40:31 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:40:50 -0700 Message-ID: <003201c35c74$2bb7bf90$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <004f01c35c6e$b554d720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h76NeVnK019615 Subject: [h-cost] Classes you dread-was] what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great advice Penny...... One of my favorite stories to tell is when I was in school the first time in the late 70's a freshman Biology student was whining to me about having to take speech, English..etc. I said to him "Has it ever occurred to you that having all the information in the world is usless to you if you are unable to communicate it?" He got this bright - "lightbulb just went on" look and said..."You know you are right...geeze you are pretty smart for a girl." I don't question any requirement for the same reasons...okay, I really don't want to have to take differential equations again...but if I have to I will.... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Colleen, I can understand........ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 19:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76Nxg0h021792 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NxKdD000582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NxJtd002409; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from krwoodworks.com (65.18.190.ptr [65.18.190.119] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76NxFtd002281 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325490pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.91.100]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h76Nx9tt019260 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:59:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806195558.01eb9e60@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:56:53 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern In-Reply-To: <20030805072455.23646.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >http://www.kipar.org/society/events/03-08_hands-on-history.html Great pics! and great job on the coif! Ok, what is Sophie wearing? A jacket? Wish I could see the details better, but because it's black, it's not showing up well... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:03:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770340h021805 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:03:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7702gdD000961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7702ftd005118; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from krwoodworks.com (65.18.190.ptr [65.18.190.119] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7702dtd005021 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325490pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.91.100]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7702XYv021908 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:02:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806195912.01ebde90@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:00:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? In-Reply-To: <20030805150147.27611.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Was listening to an interview with the author of _Strapless_, a new book about the subject of Sargent's painting "Portrait of Madame X", and apparently she got that ghostly-pale look with rice flour face powder. She also rouged her ears . -- Mara At 04:01 PM 8/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: >My seamstress friend's big wedding (it's being filmed by channel 4) is this >year and we are all invited to come in costume, no matter which petiod. >She has >been a re-eactor for many years and is making lovely histoprical costumes. > >However, she is totally stressed out and asked me if I could possibly research >1890s beauty products/looks for her, because her wedding dress will be >1890s. I >told her that I'd try on this list, because really, this is a gold mine of >information. She also asked me to do her make-up (she's blind as a bat without >her spectacles) and I'd really like to know what look I should try to achieve: >pale? natural? I feel quite honoured that she asked me to do this for her, >thus >I'd really really appreciate help in pointing me to the right direction (I >have >NO clue whatsoever about this period). > >Thanks in advance > >Nicole > >===== >One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently > >Email: nicole@kipar.org >URL: http://www.kipar.org > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770NZ0h021855 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770N3dD002786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770Mttd019313; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770Mqte019255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h770Ngbh017764 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:23:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h770Ngc0017762 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:23:42 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: what'syourdegree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:23:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <159.229bf571.2c62177c@aol.com> <3F30F807.74AECB4A@in-tch.com> <003101c35c28$5eec5660$1f0877d8@w7m1l6> In-Reply-To: <003101c35c28$5eec5660$1f0877d8@w7m1l6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308062023.42394.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h770Mqte019255 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 06 August 2003 10:38 am, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our very smart people on this list! Was: > what'syourdegree in? > > > Me, too! ;o) I'm definitely a research and embroidery junkie. Well, and > > a fabric junkie, too. > > Ok, I am strange, I would much rather cut and sew then have to do research. > I can do the research if I have to, but it gives me no joy. No, you're not strange, Stephen. You just have a different preference from some of us. :-) The interesting (I refuse to say "strange") thing about my preference is that while I have little desire to sew, my craving is not satisfied simply by either researching or designing costumes. It's important to me to be able to translate my ideas into something I can enjoy wearing. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:27:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770RR0h021864 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770R8dD003083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770R8td022324; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770R5te022299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h770Rubh017804 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:27:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h770Rulh017802 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:27:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:27:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h770R5te022299 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 06 August 2003 09:02 am, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > My bachelors is in mathematics. > My masters is in library and information science. > Weird combination, I know. :) Not at all. In fact, compared to some of the combinations people have posted, it makes sense if you wanted a career running an engineering or technical library (though I've no idea how common such jobs are). :-) Actually, I've been having a bit of an inferiority complex here--my degrees seem so staid and mundane, compared to the marvelous combinations being displayed by other members of the list. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:29:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770Td0h021867 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770TKdD003291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770TGtd023774; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt26.cluster1.charter.net (remt26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770TDtd023611 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.169.188.93] (HELO charter.net) by remt26.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 111279632 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3F319D1B.6080AE53@charter.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:28:11 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Where did the site go? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where did Mara Reiley's site on Scottish clothing of the middle ages go (http://www47.pair.com/lindo)? The server administrator said that it was no longer there. I was in the middle of research for clothing of the Scottish highland nobles from 16th century when it vanished. I would love to find it again, as my wardrobe is not yet complete. :o) Slainte, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770bj0h021899 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:37:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770bHdD003976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770bGtd028753; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770bDtd028723 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.180]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:49:58 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c35c7c$088c5320$b4520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308060831.h768V9dU024524@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 481 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, Thanks for asking. I highly recommend a degree in Anthropology for parenting twins. Not a very lucrative use of 4 yrs of college but it worked for me. Another good use of an Anth degree is customer service so for money, I'm working part time for the Dept of Motor Vehicles for the State of New York and running a custom sewing business, that's kind of off and on at the moment. Before my mother died I use to repair and do reproduction period clothing for all the antique dolls she got into her antique shop as well as quilt and costume repair. Most of my serious costume stuff got put on hold 16 yrs ago and I'm only just now able to come back to it. Raising twin boys with high IQ's, Adhd and hyperactivity problems with no near by family support left me no time. I have missed it so much. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:45:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770jq0h021909 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:45:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770jKdD004603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770j9td004161; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770iwte003963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h770jmbh017842 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:45:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h770jmXb017840 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:45:48 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How did you get started in historic costuming? Was: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: degrees Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:45:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4.3.1.2.20030806012652.053f3540@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20030806012652.053f3540@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308062045.48365.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h770iwte003963 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 06 August 2003 05:07 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >>Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked > >>before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see > >>yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and > >>why.... [snip] > I'm not a costume scholar. I am serious about the recreation of costumes, > but my strong point is shapes and patterns. I notice how things like > sleeves morph over the decades, and am pretty good at spotting new > influences as they begin to show up in the fashion plates before they > become really fashionable. I envy you that ability. I've been trying to learn it for years by constant comparison of images over time, and only recently have I begun to develop an eye for that level of detail. >So my costumes are usually the right shape and > proportion, even if they are not always made of the right fabrics > (sometimes totally wrong on purpose). I get most of my information about > any period from practically meditating on contemporary images, and am quick > to notice the differences between the original and subsequent > re-drawings. This is tough for me, unless the difference is pretty glaring. >Reading comprehension is difficult for me, so I get very > little information from the text in my costume books, however scholarly. That may not be a reading comprehension problem. That may just be an indication that most costume books are very poorly written. I am very word-oriented and, despite the old adage can usually get more information from text than from pictures--but not if the text meanders, and wanders from point to point without organization, and fails to organize what information is presented in a logical way. I used to blame myself for this problem, too, until I'd acquired enough different books that I'd begun to notice that the texts of some were much more useful than those of others even if both addressed the same subject matter. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:50:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770ol0h021923 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:50:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770oEdD005119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770oCtd007562; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770o9td007454 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4BF1B2561 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021401c35c7d$d6add610$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c35c7c$088c5320$b4520940@WorkingGirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 481 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Baird " To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 481 . Raising twin boys with high IQ's, Adhd and > hyperactivity problems with no near by family support left me no time. I > have missed it so much. Margaret And here I pitied myself because three (possibly four) of my boys have it--at least they are spaced a ways apart! I also have no family close by, but my sisters and I all have ADD/ADHD, and my nephew does as well, so I always have an understanding shoulder to cry on. OTOH, with twins, when you're done, you're done. My oldest ADHD child is going to be twenty in a few weeks, and the youngest is only 21 months. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770qr0h021931 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:52:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770qLdD005277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770qKtd008963; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770qItd008886 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h770tajp026607 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3F31A292.4020305@misc.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:51:30 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where did the site go? References: <3F319D1B.6080AE53@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To Joe: This is what I've got bookmarked, hope it's what you're looking for.... http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/scottish/medievalscot.html Theresa Eacker Joe Robertson wrote: > Where did Mara Reiley's site on Scottish clothing of the middle ages go > (http://www47.pair.com/lindo)? The server administrator said that it was > no longer there. > I was in the middle of research for clothing of the Scottish highland > nobles from 16th century when it vanished. I would love to find it > again, as my wardrobe is not yet > complete. :o) > Slainte, > Joe > --- > Joe Robertson, Psy.D. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 20:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770rw0h021935 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770rRdD005379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770rRtd009693; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from krwoodworks.com (65.18.190.ptr [65.18.190.119] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h770rMtd009587 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325490pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.91.100]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h770rH8u007654 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:53:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806204953.01ec05b8@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:51:01 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] degrees In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030805174605.00a079e0@pop3.lfchosting.com> References: <200308052328.h75NSN2q026164@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I double-majored in History (mostly European, 16th-18th, some Am. Colonial, and some 20th c. WWII) and Religion. The two go together rather well, actually, considering the impact that the latter has on the former, and vice versa. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7712x0h021959 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:02:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7712YdD006408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7712XTW016347; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7712TTW016301 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-116-255-176.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.116.255.176 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:02:29 -0000 Message-ID: <018f01c35c7f$92e94930$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com><012701c35bf5$5b594cc0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> <014501c35bff$32e74030$700c0150@Imedia5043> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:02:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Wood" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > I have been tempted to do the Courtaulds MA in costume but it's a dry > course (there aren't any practical research degrees over here sadly) and > apart from it being easier to publish research etc is not really going to > help. I also applied a few years ago to do a theatre costume degree but was > told it probably wasn't worth my while as I'd been in the business and > earned a crust without one I actually applied to and was accepted by this program about... six years ago. Broke my heart not to go, but I realized that I wasn't really willing to risk the slim chances of costume-related museum jobs. Now that I'm an academic (I'm a librarian) and doing research in more of the social/cultural history of fashion/clothing, it's a dream to do a similar degree, although I think I'm more interested in the MA in the History of Textiles & Dress at Southampton as it seems to include more social/cultural history along with the art history side. Although since my focus is on the US, it would be great if there were such a program on this side of the pond! Of course, working full-time probably precludes yet ANOTHER degree -- but if I ever win the lottery, that's what I'm doing. Well, that and sleeping in. And buying all the silk I want. :) - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7714u0h021968 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7714bdD006593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7714aTW017730; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7714XTW017705 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.180]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:17:19 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c35c7f$da8a13f0$b4520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308070029.h770TVtf024039@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Forward from museum list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please reply to: Candace Perry Subject: brown wedding gowns I am curator of a small history museum that interprets the heritage of a small PA German Protestant group, and I have noticed an interesting (at least to me!) phenomenon regarding the wedding gowns of the group members in the late 19th century. We have at least 4 rather similar BROWN dresses from the 1880s-90s. They are typical in style for that time period, they are silk with various trims. I am aware that the white wedding is a 20th century thing, more or less, but I've never run into so many similar dresses from different brides from this time period. Makes for a pretty dull wedding exhibit!!! I am trying to determine if this was another peculiarity of this group, or actually might have been fashionable for brides to wear brown in that time period. Can't say I've run into it in other collections. A bit of background -- the group (the Schwenkfelders) were conservative and modest but not "plain" and they were members of rural communities, for the most part. Looking forward to any input, Candace Perry Schwenfelder Library & Heritage Center _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771EW0h021996 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771ECdD007437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771EBTW024667; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from krwoodworks.com (65.18.190.ptr [65.18.190.119] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771E8TW024535 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325490pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.91.100]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h770xlLt009634 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:59:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806205541.01ec0470@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:57:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley In-Reply-To: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <200308052237.17378.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] How'd we get into costuming, was Re: Maybe we should change the subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >No biggie, as far as I'm concerned. My husband doesn't have a degree >either. Nor mine... and he makes twice what I do. >Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked >before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see >yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and >why.... LOL! I think I started off reading fairy tales and seeing princesses in long dresses. My mom swears I wouldn't wear regular clothing as a child and insisted that she make me long dresses so I could dress like the heroines in the fairy tale books! (And she's probably right.) My mom sews, taught me to sew, and I've never looked back... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:23:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771Ni0h022008 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771NMdD008216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771NLTW001045; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771NITW001013 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01277 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:49:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forward from museum list In-Reply-To: <000201c35c7f$da8a13f0$b4520940@WorkingGirl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Margaret Baird wrote: > I am curator of a small history museum that interprets the heritage of > a small PA German Protestant group, and I have noticed an interesting > (at least to me!) phenomenon regarding the wedding gowns of the group > members in the late 19th century. We have at least 4 rather similar > BROWN dresses from the 1880s-90s. They are typical in style for that > time period, they are silk with various trims. I am aware that the > white wedding is a 20th century thing, more or less, but I've never > run into so many similar dresses from different brides from this time > period. Makes for a pretty dull wedding exhibit!!! I am trying to > determine if this was another peculiarity of this group, or actually > might have been fashionable for brides to wear brown in that time > period. I know this is an outside chance, but could there have been a popular dye at the time that "turned" browner over the years -- say, a deep red? Something that would have been expensive or otherwise reserved for special occasions? If the dresses have all been kept separately this is probably less likely, but if they've all been stored in the same facility, there could be something about the environment there that has encouraged the dye to change. Just a wild guess, that you might be able to rule out if all the browns are different and the insides of the seams, etc. don't show any inconsistencies. What would be ideal would be written accounts to cross-check against. Does the museum have letters from this period, or diaries, in which people might have described weddings? And do other dresses (that aren't wedding dresses) show a broader variety of color? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771jY0h022057 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:45:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771jAdD010478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771j8TW016149; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771j6TW016112 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h771j4dN015347 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:45:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:52:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:27 PM 8/6/03 -0400, you wrote: >On Wednesday 06 August 2003 09:02 am, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > My bachelors is in mathematics. > > My masters is in library and information science. > > Weird combination, I know. :) > >Not at all. In fact, compared to some of the combinations people have >posted, >it makes sense if you wanted a career running an engineering or technical >library (though I've no idea how common such jobs are). :-) Nope. I actually work in a public library as a general reference librarian. However, I am married to a computer programmer which seems to be a very common occurrence for a costumer! >Actually, I've been having a bit of an inferiority complex here--my degrees >seem so staid and mundane, compared to the marvelous combinations being >displayed by other members of the list. My favorites so far have been the law degree, the physics and the chemistry. And all of those artsy-type degrees are making me envious! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 21:48:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771mZ0h022065 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:48:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771m7dD010702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771m6TW018423; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h771m4TW018394 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h771m1HH012740 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806205312.00a0bda0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:55:15 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <066201c35bf1$3dfad300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:03 PM 8/6/03 +1000, Glenda wrote: >Gee, I feel SO undereducated! > >I only have one degree - Bach. Applied Science in Mathematics, majoring in >Computing and Operations Research. I still work in the computing field. > >The mathematics has come in handy, I think, because I have little problems >drafting patterns, even though I am completely non-artistic. Don't use it >for much else, apart from helping the kids with their homework. Yes! Another math person! You're right - an aptitude for math does help in drafting patterns. Maybe that's why I draft so many of my own instead of using patterns. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 22:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772M20h022138 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772LedD013631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772Ld6E009721; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772LT6F009608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h772Lubh017969 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:22:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h772LoxO017967 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:21:50 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:21:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200308061412.h76ECkWu028483@net.indra.com> <3F312B0B.8090006@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3F312B0B.8090006@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308062221.50439.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h772LT6F009608 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 06 August 2003 12:21 pm, Cozit / Liz wrote: [snip] > Ever since then I've figured that sci-fi cons were the outlet that geeks > created for their "creative side" :-) (Sigh... and some of those > things are rather amusing when you dress "normal"... some of you out > there have heard of the term "freaking the mundanes"... or just > "wierding out" the normal folks? Oh yes. I've been going to SF conventions for over 20 years now. >I have friends who have been known to > mess with the minds of some of the die-hard fans. *g* [Wow, I even have obligatory costume content for this one!] I've known several fen who wear business suits to cons--on purpose, because it felt right to them, or because they had been somewhere they needed to wear a suit to and hadn't felt like changing clothes. At cons, I usually wear either one of my historic costumes, or the sort of things I usually wear to our (business casual) office, namely, a sweater or top under a jacket, and chinos or khaki pants. At the cons I've attended most, fans wear anything from T-shirts (nearly always with an...interesting picture or slogan) to peasant skirts and blouses, to historic costume, to alien or futuristic costume, to ....next to nothing, in some cases. And the jewelry....some of it was lovely, some tacky, some garish, and some ghastly, but most of it was exotic, or at least unique.... At a fannish masquerade dance (wasn't a formal Masquerade at all, by any means), one handsome young man made waves by fashioning bubble wrap into a plausible superhero costume (trunks and cape) and making a dramatic entrance down a bubble-wrap carpet as "Bubble Man!" I guess my point is that there are rigid-minded people in all groups, but among the folk I was privileged to hang out with, being fannish meant being tolerant of differences, including differences in things like tastes in clothes.... > And yeah, I'll do > it to idiots if they give me an opening. One of the cons I went to out > in Oregon, I was pregnant, so had my "normal" t-shirt pregnant clothes > on... and was on my own. The fact that I was in line to register should > have tipped of the dunces behind me... but no. Two of them told their > friends to "behave, she's going to think we're all strange"... because > they were having an evil laugh contest. No contest... the one that came > from me a few moments later had them stunned, and one down kowtowing > > :-) Costumes don't *always* look like something "unusual" :-) Very, very true. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 22:47:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772lB0h022199 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772kddD016138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772kc6E025427; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail11.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h772kS6F025351 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h772kR64022790 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:46:27 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.43.163]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:46:27 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <032b01c35c8e$187f6760$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] re: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I majored in Fashion Merchandising, which for some reason gets you a Bachelor of Family and Consumer Sciences (BFCS) at UGA. Worked in retail for the first 3 years out of college, only to realize that selling clothes didn't really feed my love of fashion or of history. I re-trained myself in computers and now work in web development. "Unofficial" schooling - costume/sewing/embellishment classes when I can get them, programming/IT architecture/computing classes when I can (through work). I'm much more of a costume hobbyist, and plan to keep it that way, at least for the near future! Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:05:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7735T0h022224 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77354dD018037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7735229008486; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7734v29008435 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7734urP015995 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.244] (tnt-1-52.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.244]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7734roH015979 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:36:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:27 PM -0400 8/6/03, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Wednesday 06 August 2003 09:02 am, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: >> My bachelors is in mathematics. >> My masters is in library and information science. >> Weird combination, I know. :) > >Not at all. In fact, compared to some of the combinations people have posted, >it makes sense if you wanted a career running an engineering or technical >library (though I've no idea how common such jobs are). :-) > >Actually, I've been having a bit of an inferiority complex here--my degrees >seem so staid and mundane, compared to the marvelous combinations being >displayed by other members of the list. Sometimes "weird combinations" aren't, after all. Here I am with my BS in Zoology and my (really really close to being signed off) PhD in linguistics, and I've landed a job editing biotech documents. And _none_ of it particularly contributed to my costuming interests. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773BM0h022235 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:11:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773AtdD018644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773As29012674; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Ai2A012578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h773BIbh018149 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:11:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h773BH13018147 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:11:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Maybe we should change the subject? Was: [h-cost] degrees Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:11:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <003b01c35bcb$908c7a40$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308062311.16888.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h773Ai2A012578 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 05 August 2003 11:33 pm, Saragrace T. Knauf wrote: [snip] > Maybe we should change the subject to the one that has been asked > before..How did you get started in historic costuming, where do you see > yourself in the 'heirarchy' of 'serious' to recreational costumer and > why.... Sure, why not? At least it's on topic. :-) The funny thing is that although I can describe my first steps on the road, I'm no longer sure exactly why I got interested in costuming. When I was 12 or so, they showed the BBC's Masterpiece Theatre version of "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" in my area for the very first time. I became fascinated--but with the story, and the history behind it, not really with the costumes themselves. They showed the BBC version of "Elizabeth I" (the one with Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth I) soon after, and I devoured that as well. A few months later, I got a library card for my local library, and began checking out books on Henry, Elizabeth, Catherine of Aragon, Thomas More, and other 16th C. luminaries as to which my library stocked biographies. I proceeded from there to reading books on 16th c. English history, and from there to reading about English history in general. Eventually, as I started running out of interesting history books to read, I noticed that the library stocked most of what I now know to be C. Willett and Phyllis Cunnington's surveys of English costume for various periods. I started reading those...and started looking for other books on historic costuming. Later still, I attempted to make my own costumes based (rather loosely, I admit) on what I'd read in the Cunnington books, among others, even before I had anywhere to wear costumes outside of Halloween parties. My mother, who sewed in a dress factory to earn a living, patiently taught me how to use a sewing machine and helped me with my first efforts (though since she was a pieceworker who specialized in button sewing by machine, she didn't know that much more than I did about sewing clothing from scratch). By the time I got to college, reading costume history (and making costumes when I had the time and the money for supplies) had become a definite avocation for me. As to where I fall on the spectrum, I am definitely a recreational costumer. Why? The basic reason is that I lack both the time and the patience to devote the kind of attention that original research and recreation of historic costume demands. So I've become a dilletante of costume reading. I enjoy reading about costume from almost any period and region--especially if it's one about which I previously knew little or nothing. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:15:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Fu0h022264 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:15:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773FbdD019112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Fa29015572; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773FU29015429 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Gallilelo (d14-69-30-133.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.133.30]) h773FPc23937 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:15:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: Michelle Plumb MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:12:50 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Subject: [h-cost] re: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, there certainly are a lot of us math/science folks on the list! I have degrees in math and computer science (Lawrence Technological University - Southfield, Michigan), but learned to sew at my mother's knee. They seem perfectly compatible to me, especially when alterations are necessary. I also knit and frequently use calculus to estimate the yardage of yarn I need. It works quite accurately. It's good mental exercise to use both sides of your brain! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773GI0h022268 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773FodD019148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Fo29015723; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Fk2A015677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty3022.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.22]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h773HTVW017762 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:17:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3F31C33C.50303@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:10:52 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tying a Bryon knot References: <000901c35baf$cc2b4ca0$9bd7b3cf@y3r8b8> <3F308471.5020507@dandy.net> <004a01c35c4d$a7936dc0$c3d7b3cf@y3r8b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sarah Jane Edwards wrote: >Thanks, Mike. The instructions were pretty clear, so right now I don't think >I'll need the jpeg. I have an illustration in a fashion book, but no >instructions on how to tie it. I thought it was so nice looking, I'm >thrilled I can try it out now! Thanks so much, I really appreciate your >help. > >Sarah > > > Glad I could help. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:22:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773Mi0h022282 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773MLdD019664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773MK29020090; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40812.mail.yahoo.com (web40812.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.189]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h773MI29020020 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807032212.16938.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.126.157.101] by web40812.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:22:12 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cynthia Corley To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] re:what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a BA in theatre from Univ. California at Irvine and an MA in theatre from the Univ. of Exeter in the UK. I really wish I had taken more costume and history classes while I had the chance--I've worked steadily in tech theatre (costume and scene painting)and teaching ever since, but I really feel like I didn't take full advantage of all the courses offered. Shop the catalogue at your prospective university--don't limit yourself to just one department! A good (and flexible)academic advisor will help you follow your interests and get the credits you need for your degree. I love what a wide and fascinating variety of skills and backgrounds everyone has on this list-- when I grow up I want to be a Renaissance woman too! :-) ===== Art is not a mirror held up to reality but a hammer with which to shape it. Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:38:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773cS0h022297 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773bwdD021195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773bp29000609; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773bl29000559 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 64-48-203-60-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([64.48.203.60] helo=laptop) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kbaz-00037Y-00; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:37:46 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: , Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:38:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35c95$5e226220$3ccb3040@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Garb Email list open to public now.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, based on great interest, I have opened the Yahoo Group for Flemish Garb up to the public. If you are interested, you can join here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Flemish_Garb/ Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 6 23:42:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773gq0h022304 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773gVdD021531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h773gV29003524; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h773gS29003493 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-116-255-176.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.116.255.176 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:42:27 -0000 Message-ID: <007a01c35c95$ebf859b0$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:42:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Costume College pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h773gq0h022304 Status: RO I've posted my photos from Costume College... if you're interested, have a gander at: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/CC_2003/ - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 00:56:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h774u70h022443 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:56:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h774tddD028219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h774tcfp021478; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h774tVfp021350 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABBDC7E008A; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:55:25 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABBD24A01EE; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: <014801c35ca0$7bfff2c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <973A26F2-C817-11D7-A67A-000393D446D6@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:58:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Allison, I think we can blame Drea for all the computer gurus on the list!!!!! LOL!!!! She was the first computer person I met on the list in 1995 or 6. I have noticed more and more as the years have passed too. Just teasing Drea.... I love computer gurus... married one and gave birth to two. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com > My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many > costumers on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the fields > of computer science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for folks > involved in SCA. [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 01:20:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775K00h022480 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775JXdD000341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775JUfp006518; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775JRfp006483 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-64-172-63-94.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.172.63.94]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15732F97E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:19:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <014801c35ca0$7bfff2c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd guess you could blame that on the internet. If this list were distributed by carrier pigeon, I'd guess we'd have a lot of bird lovers on the list as well! On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Allison, > > I think we can blame Drea for all the computer gurus on the list!!!!! > LOL!!!! She was the first computer person I met on the list in 1995 > or 6. > I have noticed more and more as the years have passed too. > > Just teasing Drea.... I love computer gurus... married one and gave > birth to > two. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > >> My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many >> costumers on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the >> fields >> of computer science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for >> folks >> involved in SCA. > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 01:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775LO0h022484 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775KvdD000537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775Kofp007347; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h775Kkfp007278 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807052046.68787.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:20:46 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] career choices To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I feel the same way!!! I'm about to take 'early retirement' next spring(if all goes well!) --and start to really indulge my love of jewelry,embroidery, and costumne making ----WHO knows who I could grow into?? It's funny that with my technical job---in telecommunications--all these years-- my 'wierd quirk' --the stuff I do for the pure, relaxing, pleasure of it all---has been historical re-creationist activites---making garb (all my father's fault from all those 'swash-buckling' Erroll Flynn and Burt Lancaster stuff I watched with him when I was little:), then making jewelry to go with it--then needing to learn to make the shoes to go with , then hats and headresses--then the gloves--- the embroideries----then teaching these above activites---who knows where will it all end?? (wry grin) Albra Allison wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, Sarra wrote: > I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Hear, hear! and here: Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 01:47:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775lt0h022523 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775lUdD002807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775lTfp023351; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775lQfp023304 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7E81AE50076; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:47:20 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7E828C01EE; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: <018801c35ca7$bca48be0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c35c7f$da8a13f0$b4520940@WorkingGirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forward from museum list Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:49:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might want to look into the traditions of the culture and the religion. Maybe there is a reason for the brown color. My second guess is that it was a dye that discolored. Third guess, that they might have been stored in something that discolored them. I have seen cream colored pants from the 1970s stored improperly and donated to a museum. The pants turned tan in that short of years. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 01:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775qW0h022528 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775qDdD003180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775qCfp026222; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775qAfp026143 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A904D10008A; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:52:04 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9045FA0200; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01a701c35ca8$65ff5800$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:54:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather, So true!!!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 01:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775sQ0h022532 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:54:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775rvdD003316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775rvfp027243; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (wsip-66-210-79-2.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.79.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h775rsfp027180 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A96C1A640086; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:53:48 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A96C6040200; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01ac01c35ca8$a3ad2380$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030807052046.68787.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] career choices Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:56:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Albra, Congrads on the retirement!!!!! Now its all fun ahead!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 02:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7764U0h023925 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 02:04:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77646dD004035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77644dn003300; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77642dn003272 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-008neomahp320.dialsprint.net ([63.178.237.226] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kdsX-00061S-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030807004905.01c3a9e8@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 01:00:28 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200308070311.h773B52A012778@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Degrees and getting into costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I'll try to get both ideas into one post. I have a BS in Chemistry also (Hi, Amanda!). My DH has a BS in Mechanical Engineering, plus a whole bunch of courses in computer science. I'm a computer programmer, he works for a retail store (for the past several years as stockroom manager, has also done most other jobs there). Go figure. I hate sewing too, but have to do it to be able to wear the stuff I want. He likes to sew and does all his costumes. We actually have a pretty good division of labor - he does the patterns (big surprise, with the eng. degree, also I can't draw a straight line with a ruler), we both cut and do machine work, he does all the hand work (I hate it and he's MUCH faster at it than I am), but I pick the colors and do the fine tuning on fitting. He's the one with the fancy embroidery machine, so we can turn out all kinds of neato stuff. We do mostly fantasy and science fiction stuff, and go to conventions and all that. We have plans to do several historical projects, but there always seems to be a more important F/SF project that needs to be done first. However, as there is really nothing new under the sun, many of our fantasy designs have historical bases or elements. That's why we're on this list, have gotten so much great info here that's helped with a particular problem at one time or another. Pierre and Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 03:19:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777Jk0h018746 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777JLdD009825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777JHYB016722; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h777JDYB016651 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:19:08 BST Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:19:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007a01c35c95$ebf859b0$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I've posted my photos from Costume College... if you're interested, have a > gander at: > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/CC_2003/ > Lovely photos, thanks Kendra! You look stunning, by the way. :-) Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 03:46:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777kv0h028880 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777kbdD011925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h777kaYB004429; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h777kXYB004356 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807074628.9409.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:46:28 BST Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:46:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of wired coif, made with Saragrace's pattern To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806195558.01eb9e60@mail.rileyhome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Mara Riley wrote: > > > > >http://www.kipar.org/society/events/03-08_hands-on-history.html > > Great pics! and great job on the coif! > Ok, what is Sophie wearing? A jacket? Wish I could see the details > better, but because it's black, it's not showing up well... It's dark green, but taht's always the proble with everything dark I suppose. Yes, it is a jacket over stays. She didn't have enough time to make the sleeves detachable, but I know of examples of non-detachable sleeves, though the detachable ones are more common. Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 05:14:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h779ES0h027020 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h779E2dD018759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h779E0BR026075; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (mta1-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h779DwBR026056 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Imedia5043 ([80.1.13.94]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030807091356.PCKZ14751.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@Imedia5043> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00b101c35cc4$354c8ae0$5e0d0150@Imedia5043> From: "Dawn Wood" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030806072028.42713.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com><012701c35bf5$5b594cc0$0400a8c0@comcast.net><014501c35bff$32e74030$700c0150@Imedia5043> <018f01c35c7f$92e94930$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:13:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes I've thought about the Southampton one as well but realised that I can pretty much do the same course myself in-between work and I won't have to lose out on earnings to do it after all who needs an MA and the research grants which come with it (ok it would be nice) I was on the committee of Medats for a while and the only one who had never written, lectured or had letters after my name but I knew as much as the others in one respect and none of them had ever picked a needle up to actually make the things they were talking about and I decided then I would prefer to do it my way. My work is so varied that I can cover a much wider area in the long run. Maybe when I retire LOL dawn Ages Of Elegance makers of Historical reproduction Clothing, Uniforms and Bridalwear http://www.agesofelegance.co.uk 0113 277 6716 , although I > think I'm more interested in the MA in the History of Textiles & Dress at > Southampton as it seems to include more social/cultural history along with > the art history side. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 06:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77A8a0h027141 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77A81dD023226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77A80Ge022901; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77A7vGe022857 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 85EE11B24F4 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b001c35ccb$c3733650$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:07:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I own birds, and I really would rather not belong to any list distributed by them. What they don't chew up, they leave..umm..."presents" on. :-) Dianne the token bird lover! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: degrees and an observation > I'd guess you could blame that on the internet. > > If this list were distributed by carrier pigeon, I'd guess we'd have a > lot of bird lovers on the list as well! > > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > Allison, > > > > I think we can blame Drea for all the computer gurus on the list!!!!! > > LOL!!!! She was the first computer person I met on the list in 1995 > > or 6. > > I have noticed more and more as the years have passed too. > > > > Just teasing Drea.... I love computer gurus... married one and gave > > birth to > > two. > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > www.costumegallery.com > > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > >> My observation is this: It's very interesting to note how many > >> costumers on this list (hobbyists or otherwise) also work in the > >> fields > >> of computer science/technology. It also seems to be the norm for > >> folks > >> involved in SCA. > > > > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 07:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BRA0h027233 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BPNdD028798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BPLjc007023; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BPEjc006974 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p37-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.101] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19kitM-0000OX-00; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:25:13 +1200 Message-ID: <001901c35cd6$8e0c8dd0$65a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > --- Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I've posted my photos > from Costume College... if you're interested, have a > > gander at: > > > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/CC_2003/ Ok. firstly, writhing in jealousy;) But as there was no way I could get ther it's all fine I suppose;) hunh;) And at first I was like.. how am I going to recognise her... ahh yes, the crazy cool black and white satin bodice:) I remember it:) And now I have to ask, as I do have a big old Moulin Rouge costuming site;), who made the Grey dress from Moulin Rouge?:) And will this page be staying so I can link to it? Can I link to it? If the page isn't staying can I host the image at my site. If* I need her permission as well is there any way to forward this on to ask her? It's a costume I'd like to make once I have enough material to make a grey wool and black velvet dress... which is not right now... heaps of pink sateen, and teal cotton velvet.. but no grey wool;) And my usual trick of making something from a blanket is not going to work here;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com http://moulinrouge.glittersweet.com *In NZ it's ok to take a photo of someone without their permission (I think in a public arena) and you have to ask the person who took the photo for the rights to use it... which is a bit on the nose if you didn't expect to have a photo taken really... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 07:31:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BVo0h027292 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BVUdD029407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BVTjc009876; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77BVRjc009855 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-37-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.37.93]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h77BVQeD027513 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030807043006.0550f950@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:31:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures In-Reply-To: <001901c35cd6$8e0c8dd0$65a176cb@michaela> References: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >And my usual trick of making something from a blanket is not going to work >here;) "Maybe you could sew together many strips of satiny blanket binding?", said Kayta, totally unhelpfully. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DDs0h027988 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:13:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DDVdD008366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DDTZD010812; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77DDQZD010763 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807131326.11078.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:13:26 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO great photos--! sorry I missed the Gala:( Albra N Kipar wrote: --- Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I've posted my photos from Costume College... if you're interested, have a > gander at: > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/CC_2003/ > Lovely photos, thanks Kendra! You look stunning, by the way. :-) Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DKk0h027996 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DKBdD009035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DKAZD015505; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DK7ZD015472 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.154.50.184]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 6.0.4) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:19:00 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c35ce5$ebb74ab0$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030806195912.01ebde90@mail.rileyhome.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooooh.... He is one of my favorite painters! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mara Riley" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s Victorian beauty concept/ideas? > Was listening to an interview with the author of _Strapless_, a new book > about the subject of Sargent's painting "Portrait of Madame X", and > apparently she got that ghostly-pale look with rice flour face powder. She > also rouged her ears . > > -- Mara > > At 04:01 PM 8/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >My seamstress friend's big wedding (it's being filmed by channel 4) is this > >year and we are all invited to come in costume, no matter which petiod. > >She has > >been a re-eactor for many years and is making lovely histoprical costumes. > > > >However, she is totally stressed out and asked me if I could possibly research > >1890s beauty products/looks for her, because her wedding dress will be > >1890s. I > >told her that I'd try on this list, because really, this is a gold mine of > >information. She also asked me to do her make-up (she's blind as a bat without > >her spectacles) and I'd really like to know what look I should try to achieve: > >pale? natural? I feel quite honoured that she asked me to do this for her, > >thus > >I'd really really appreciate help in pointing me to the right direction (I > >have > >NO clue whatsoever about this period). > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Nicole > > > >===== > >One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess ~apparently > > > >Email: nicole@kipar.org > >URL: http://www.kipar.org > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 09:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DYE0h028031 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DXSdD010308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DXRZD024125; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77DXOZD024088 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.154.50.184]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 6.0.4) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: <009801c35ce7$c6da1e50$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c35c6e$b554d720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:28:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > I can say this from my experience... don't take art history and costume > history in the same semester. It can confuse the hell out of you. Don't > take tech writing and creative writing in back to back semester. It messes > your mind up. > I would have to say my worst semester was: Physics 2 Calculus 2 C programming Assembly Language Advanced Data Structures Hitchcock Films (stress reliever!) My mind was mush at the end of every day. Much better to space these things out with some electives! OCC: I wore clothes to class. Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 10:20:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77EKs0h028376 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77EKMdD014537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77EKKxm027602; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77EKIxm027579 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:20:18 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:20:08 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: career choices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, Sarra wrote: > I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Hear, hear! and here: Allison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have to grow up???? Darn! when :)? Catherine 50 and counting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:21:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FLP0h028605 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:21:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FKfdD022030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FKbw8022782; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FKZw8022730 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe6.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.230]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E3101262860 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:20:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c35cf7$750fe7c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:20:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] costume college pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kendra, Lovely pictures from the College. And all those beautifull hats............... Thanks for letting us see Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:24:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FOo0h028622 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:24:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FONdD022464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FOMw8026226; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FOKw8026190 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-021dcwashp0398.dialsprint.net ([63.191.145.144] helo=DF1HCJ11) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kmci-0006Jf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c35cf7$f7cd72e0$9091bf3f@DF1HCJ11> From: "Maryann Calvert" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:24:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 14c36d25b68b7c740ac2c6b81153bf749ef193a6bfc3dd4847599ddda10a8db53bc0d2276a0cfd673788860f0b40a802350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] re: degrees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h77FOo0h028622 Status: RO Hi! Delurking to join this fun conversation. I have a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing from Ind. Univ., & a Master's in Pastoral Studies from Loyola of New Orleans. I have been "medically retired" for about 4 years D/T fibro. When I was growing up, my mother did not sew. I refused to take home ec in high school; didn't take typing either. I graduated from HS in 1970. It wasn't cool to take those classes then. Took Art & Humanities instead. Now I wish I had managed to fit those "stupid girl stuff" classes in. It would have made my life alot easier! I finally learned to sew last year when I joined the SCA. I have a SCA friend (her degree is in sculpting) who can do anything, including dragging me kicking & screaming to a sewing machine. The first thing I ever made was a doublet, shirt, & breeches via Janet Arnold, for my husband. I am working on 14th century garb for us for coronation in September. Then I have some lovely deep red material I am going to tackle to make Elizabethan garb for myself. So I'll be begging for info when it comes time to make that boned bodice. We moved to Fredericksburg, VA about 2 years ago. Have made several forays to the Textile Museum in DC with my new SCA friends. I find I'm much more fascinated in the research than in constructing the clothing. I think I'll enjoy that a lot more as my skills improve! LOL My husband's degree is in engineering mechanics from the AF Academy. He's working on his master's in operations management. When my daughter & I first started in the SCA, he didn't want anything to do with that stuff; never gonna wear it, no way, no how. Mr. Left Brain couldn't be bothered. Now he's the one asking to go to events. He went to Wal Mart during an event in a Roman tunic & toga. I've also noticed that a surprising number of SCA people have tech. backgrounds. Thank you for letting me delurk. I'm always so fascinated reading you guys post, I just never seem to have anything interesting to say. I really appreciate you all! Maryann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:31:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FVQ0h028666 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:31:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FSYdD023097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FSXw8000603; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FSTw8000541 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe6.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.230]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 133B7262A2C for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:28:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c35cf8$912bd6c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:28:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] pink dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Some time ago i asked you what i should do with the 12 meters of shocking pink dupioni i have. I think Saragrace proposed me to wash it and then use some stuff to iron into the fabric, to get the crispy touch again to the fabric. What was that stuff called? I was at the museum library yesterday taking photos of Galleries des modes et Costumes francaise. There were many prints with very vivid pink colours, so i think when i wash some of it out, i could use it. Amongst the prints is a very pretty Levit wich is combined of apple green and pink into broad stripes. I am tempted to try to make it, and it is a shame not to use all that dupioni, it could be used for "Gustafs Skl" Another colour combination is a dark yellow and purple, it looks rather good actually, i am quite surprised of the colour combinations they used those years. The prints are from 1778- 1784. Thanks if you could help me with this name of the iron stuff. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:41:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FfJ0h029069 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:41:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Fc3dD024055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Fc1w8009388; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Fbvw8009304 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-101-67.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.101.67]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDE2F91D for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:37:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume college pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c35cf7$750fe7c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <1F214788-C8ED-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO oh Bjarne, you would have loved the hat guy! He brought in about 100 of his 6000 hats... what an insane collector! I love the 70's mink hat - something about how it's both a "pimp" hat and a "pilgrim" hat at the same time is too hysterical! .heather. On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:20 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Kendra, > Lovely pictures from the College. And all those beautifull > hats............... > Thanks for letting us see > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FgY0h029079 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FdgdD024329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Fdew8010905; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FdZw8010816 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-101-67.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.101.67]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1893B2F91D for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:39:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000d01c35cf8$912bd6c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <59D43A44-C8ED-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h77FdZw8010816 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I've seen a lot of very pink dresses from the 1830's recently -- perhaps you could use it for that period? I don't know the name of the iron stuff, though. I hear silk will regain some crispness if you put vinegar into the rinse water, though! On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Some time ago i asked you what i should do with the 12 meters of > shocking > pink dupioni i have. > I think Saragrace proposed me to wash it and then use some stuff to > iron > into the fabric, to get the crispy touch again to the fabric. > What was that stuff called? > I was at the museum library yesterday taking photos of Galleries des > modes > et Costumes francaise. There were many prints with very vivid pink > colours, > so i think when i wash some of it out, i could use it. > Amongst the prints is a very pretty Levit wich is combined of apple > green > and pink into broad stripes. > I am tempted to try to make it, and it is a shame not to use all that > dupioni, it could be used for "Gustafs Skl" > Another colour combination is a dark yellow and purple, it looks > rather good > actually, i am quite surprised of the colour combinations they used > those > years. The prints are from 1778- 1784. > > Thanks if you could help me with this name of the iron stuff. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 11:45:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FjY0h029123 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FgcdD024708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Fgcw8013722; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77FgZw8013695 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from susan (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3890F6A9BE for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002801c35cfb$4b270160$0200a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032b01c35c8e$187f6760$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:48:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have three degrees, because my university didn't do minors, Architecture, Interior Design, and Writing. I really went after the Interior Design degree as I'd hoped I be able to work with all the things I like about making costumes: colors, textures, fun fabrics, and so forth. Didn't happen and I'm now a Tech writer/editor. Someone told me before I went back to school that once you got your degree, getting a second one wasn't that hard - as you'd already fulfilled the requirements. I'd always planned on two - architecture/interior design - as the degree requirements were about the same, I then looked around and decided if I stayed in an extra year I could go through the Technical Writing program and get a writing degree as well. Two fields I might be able to find a job in... I had a job in an Archtecture firm for about a year, but there were very few jobs in the field, so I ended up in computers. Not real surprising considering that I live in Seattle, real close to the Borg empire. I plan on going back and getting a Masters in something. I'm not sure what as I seem to be switching careers about every 7 years. Susan in washington state _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GMh0h003796 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GJbdD029859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GJTO7021435; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GJNO7021329 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) LAA22821 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c35cff$d0667fa0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <59D43A44-C8ED-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:20:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjane: You could also use the silk for a gown or gowns from the late 1860's through mid 1890's when the advent of aniline dyes made very vivid colors and color combinations possible. Check prints and high fashion mags of the 1890's, especially--I've seen some wild color combinations that actually work. Cindy Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni > Bjarne, I've seen a lot of very pink dresses from the 1830's > recently -- perhaps you could use it for that period? > > I don't know the name of the iron stuff, though. I hear silk will > regain > some crispness if you put vinegar into the rinse water, though! > > > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > Some time ago i asked you what i should do with the 12 meters of > > shocking > > pink dupioni i have. > > I think Saragrace proposed me to wash it and then use some stuff to > > iron > > into the fabric, to get the crispy touch again to the fabric. > > What was that stuff called? > > I was at the museum library yesterday taking photos of Galleries des > > modes > > et Costumes francaise. There were many prints with very vivid pink > > colours, > > so i think when i wash some of it out, i could use it. > > Amongst the prints is a very pretty Levit wich is combined of apple > > green > > and pink into broad stripes. > > I am tempted to try to make it, and it is a shame not to use all that > > dupioni, it could be used for "Gustafs Skl" > > Another colour combination is a dark yellow and purple, it looks > > rather good > > actually, i am quite surprised of the colour combinations they used > > those > > years. The prints are from 1778- 1784. > > > > Thanks if you could help me with this name of the iron stuff. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GoH0h017250 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GlFdD003967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Gl4O7020103; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13408.mail.yahoo.com (web13408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77GkvO7019966 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807164656.52250.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:46:56 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where did the site go? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F319D1B.6080AE53@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It went here: http://www.marariley.net/ The Scottish clothing stuff, specifically, is here: http://www.marariley.net/celtic/scotland.htm Some of the stuff (including the earlier period stuff, which sounds like what you're looking for) is at http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/ Cheers, Mara --- Joe Robertson wrote: > Where did Mara Reiley's site on Scottish clothing of the middle > ages go > (http://www47.pair.com/lindo)? The server administrator said that > it was > no longer there. > I was in the middle of research for clothing of the Scottish > highland > nobles from 16th century when it vanished. I would love to find it > again, as my wardrobe is not yet > complete. :o) > Slainte, > Joe > --- > Joe Robertson, Psy.D. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 12:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Gro0h017259 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GovdD004467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GouO7024428; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13401.mail.yahoo.com (web13401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77GoqO7024334 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807165052.74864.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:50:52 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <021401c35c7d$d6add610$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT: ADD X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was listening to the Diane Rehm show this morning; she was interviewing a doctor who said some interesting stuff regarding the modern era, all the extra input, multitasking, etc., and ADD/ADHD. http://www.wamu.org/dr/index.html 11:00 - Richard Restak: The New Brain (Rodale) According to neurologist Richard Restak, the way our brains work has changed over the past century. New medications, genetic mapping and imaging technology have all led to a better understanding of how the brain works. Dr. Restak explains what we've learned about the brain and what future advances are possible. Back to costuming... maybe that's why I usually have two or three costumes in process at once (or two or three books, for that matter). -- Mara --- Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > And here I pitied myself because three (possibly four) of my boys > have > it--at least they are spaced a ways apart! I also have no family > close by, > but my sisters and I all have ADD/ADHD, and my nephew does as well, > so I > always have an understanding shoulder to cry on. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 13:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77HCj0h017407 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:12:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77H9odD006744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77H9m88014895; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77H9h88014557 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.e4.3bcb1565 (25508) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:09:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brujne@creighton.edu writes: > You could also use the silk for a gown or gowns from the late 1860's > through > mid 1890's I have a friend who has a real 1868 or so gown [it has a slightly raised straight waist, and pagoda sleeves....so not a ball gown. Maybe a dinner or reception gown] that is the most vivd pink you've ever seen. It is completely plain but for some clever ribbon & button trim in off white around the horizontal neckline. A 1/2" silk ribbon is folded so it makes a flat point that faces upward and goes above the neckline. Then it is ruche on the upper edge of the ribbon to form a crinkled semicircle around the bottom of a small flat mother of pearl button that is sewn right at the neckline's edge. Then the point again. This repeats all the way around the neckline. I wish I could draw it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 13:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77HGi0h017428 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:16:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77HA8fL006795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Gta88029229; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13409.mail.yahoo.com (web13409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77GtX88029192 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807165532.3200.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:55:32 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000201c35c7f$da8a13f0$b4520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: candace@SCHWENKFELDER.COM Subject: [h-cost] Re: brown wedding gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could the gowns in question possibly have been dyed after the wedding, so they could continue to be worn? That would fit in with a very practical, no-nonsense outlook... -- Mara --- Margaret Baird wrote: > > Please reply to: Candace Perry > > Subject: brown wedding gowns > I am curator of a small history museum that interprets the heritage > of a > small PA German Protestant group, and I have noticed an interesting > (at > least to me!) phenomenon regarding the wedding gowns of the group > members in the late 19th century. We have at least 4 rather > similar > BROWN dresses from the 1880s-90s. They are typical in style for > that > time period, they are silk with various trims. I am aware that the > white wedding is a 20th century thing, more or less, but I've never > run > into so many similar dresses from different brides from this time > period. Makes for a pretty dull wedding exhibit!!! I am trying to > determine if this was another peculiarity of this group, or > actually > might have been fashionable for brides to wear brown in that time > period. Can't say I've run into it in other collections. A bit of > background -- the group (the Schwenkfelders) were conservative and > modest but not "plain" and they were members of rural communities, > for > the most part. Looking forward to any input, Candace Perry > Schwenfelder > Library & Heritage Center __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:22:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77IMK0h017729 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:22:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77IJBdD017526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77IJ9pe029180; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13409.mail.yahoo.com (web13409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77IJ6pe029126 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807181906.17642.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:19:06 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <009801c35ce7$c6da1e50$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can see that... OTOH, my best year was the one when I managed to get courses in the same periods of History, Religion, and Art History. The cross-references were wonderful! -- Mara > From: "Penny Ladnier" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > > > > I can say this from my experience... don't take art history and > costume > > history in the same semester. It can confuse the hell out of > you. Don't > > take tech writing and creative writing in back to back semester. > It > messes > > your mind up. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 14:33:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77IXF0h017800 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77IU5dD019032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77ITvpe010716; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77ITqpe010594 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe6.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.230]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FCBF262A4B for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c35d11$eb393d10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:30:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello. Yes i am aware that i could use if for later periods. But the problem is i dont make any further than regency and most of my costumers is into 18th century. I am sure that when i wash the colour, a lot of the colour will wash out, and then it wont be so shocking anymore. And i wanted to make this Levit dress wich i got a fashion print of. In the fashion print, it is quite pink, and i meen really dark pink colour. I also remember that i have seen some 18th century chinese embroidery where there is a dark pink colour, so when it could be made in embroidery silk, why not in fabric two............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni > In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > brujne@creighton.edu writes: > > > You could also use the silk for a gown or gowns from the late 1860's > > through > > mid 1890's > > I have a friend who has a real 1868 or so gown [it has a slightly raised > straight waist, and pagoda sleeves....so not a ball gown. Maybe a dinner or > reception gown] that is the most vivd pink you've ever seen. It is completely plain > but for some clever ribbon & button trim in off white around the horizontal > neckline. A 1/2" silk ribbon is folded so it makes a flat point that faces > upward and goes above the neckline. Then it is ruche on the upper edge of the > ribbon to form a crinkled semicircle around the bottom of a small flat mother of > pearl button that is sewn right at the neckline's edge. Then the point again. > This repeats all the way around the neckline. I wish I could draw it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 15:54:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77JsI0h018083 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Jp4dD000264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Jp0Ga014040; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77JorGa013856 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VALINOR ([65.50.96.88]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030807194954.XSMH268566.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00e401c35d1d$2e950a20$6401a8c0@VALINOR> From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308052328.h75NSN2q026164@net.indra.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030806204953.01ec05b8@mail.rileyhome.net> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:50:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [65.50.96.88] using ID at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:53 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all...I need a bit of advice as Victorian is not exactly my era of expertise. I'm planning on making a Mina Murray costume (from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, a fabulous graphic novel to which the horrible movie bears very little resemblance), but I don't know much detail about the dresses of that period. Basically I'd be looking at 1889-1890 London. Any suggestions on patterns or where I should look for something suitable? I bought 6 yards (all that was left on the roll) of a gorgeous black and burgundy striped dupioni awhile back, and realize that's probably not enough for a gown. The fabric store has recently gotten more of the dupioni in, so I'm wondering how much more I should buy. -- Maral (aka Sarcasm-hime) http://sarcasm.fanfic.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 16:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77KvA0h018256 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:57:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Ks4dD009794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Ks1AF024740; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77KrpAF024568 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07069 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:20:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:20:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id h77KrpAF024568 Subject: [h-cost] Sale on tapestry fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got this promo email. I haven't had a chance to look at these fabrics and I'm not in the market for them, but I figured I'd pass it on in case it's of some use to someone. --Robin busy packing for a lecture weekend in Seattle ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:16:40 -0700 From: Fabric Direct To: Fabric Direct Subject: Half Price Tapestry Sale SPECIAL SALE-ONE TIME ONLY IMPORTED TAPESTRY AT HALF PRICE We are now offering you the opportunity to see what many already know, FabricDirect offers the finest in Imported Tapestry from Italy, Holland, France and Belgium. Sold in stores for $35.99 a yard, regularly available from FabricDirect at $18.99 a yard, and now on Special Sale at an incredible HALF PRICE of $9.50 a yard for selected patterns while supplies last. The above link will take you to our home page and then all you have to do is click on the box that says New Products and This Weeks Specials. Here you will be given a link to our tapestry section where we invite you to find those patterns marked SALE PRICE $9.50 a yard. Again, please feel free to pass on this information on to all your friends. Thank you, FabricDirect P.S. Please remember this sale is for only those tapestries marked at sale price and will be sold while supplies last. This sale runs through 9:00 am eastern time, Monday August 11, 2003 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77L7a0h018298 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77L4XdD011248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77L4R7M006201; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt27.cluster1.charter.net (remt27.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77L487M005693 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.116.157.90] (HELO charter.net) by remt27.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 114098014 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3F32BE8A.253356C4@charter.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:03:07 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where did the site go? References: <20030807164656.52250.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, hon. Back to work for Joe. :o) Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 17:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Lvq0h018394 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:57:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77LqNdD017424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77LqJ7M027807; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77Lq77M027557 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07490 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:18:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:18:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale on tapestry fabric In-Reply-To: <20030807213314.93717.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > I'll pass on the tapestry fabric, as I'm registered > for the lecture Robin's giving tomorrow. Oh, God, am I giving a lecture *tomorrow*? I know I'm doing five of them on Saturday ... --Robin who has been known to get dates wrong _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 18:05:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M5c0h018432 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M2cdD018511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M2aBT008199; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21412.mail.yahoo.com (web21412.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77M2WBT008136 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807220232.89057.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.142] by web21412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:02:32 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin's lecture WAS Sale on tapestry fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No Robin, you're correct that it's SATURDAY for the lecture....with trying to do the upgrade to the office's computer systems I've lost track that I really do have to go to work again tomorrow. *sigh* And I have to take really, really, really good notes, as one of the participants broke her ankle and isn't going to make it--no weight on it for 6 weeks. Angharad or wolfcat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 18:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M5f0h018435 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:05:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M1wdD018423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M1oBT007437; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M1hBU007235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 19kst5-0002Zx-SQ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:05:35 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 19kspq-0004q6-00; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:02:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Herself-the-Elf Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? In-Reply-To: <00e401c35d1d$2e950a20$6401a8c0@VALINOR> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Herself-the-Elf wrote: >I'm planning on making a Mina Murray costume (from The League of >Extraordinary Gentlemen, a fabulous graphic novel to which the horrible >movie bears very little resemblance), but I don't know much detail >about the dresses of that period. Basically I'd be looking at >1889-1890 London. Any suggestions on patterns or where I should look >for something suitable? How about Past Patterns 1888-1892 day dress? It is a good basic starting point. http://www.pastpatterns.com/903.html If you can't find fashion plates from the era I could help you there. After I get back form Newport dance week, madly trying to sew about 4 different outfits in 3 days. Katy Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 18:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77M6K0h018439 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77LXddD015127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77LXJ7M007092; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21409.mail.yahoo.com (web21409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.79]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77LXF7M007049 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030807213314.93717.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.142] by web21409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:33:14 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale on tapestry fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll pass on the tapestry fabric, as I'm registered for the lecture Robin's giving tomorrow. I think I'll count myself as getting the grand bargain. Angharat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 19:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77N110h018624 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:01:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77MvvdD024897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77MvuMW001672; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77MvrMW001636 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.187] (pm5-187.eos.net [205.133.149.187]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11342 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:57:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:50:59 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308071655.h77Gtj89029389@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a Bachelor of Philosophy (!) from the Western College of Interdisciplinary Studies at Miami Univeristy. A great program -- you take a core group of courses and make up your own "focus," or major, and also do a senior project that includes a paper -- very much like a thesis. My focus was medieval studies, and I narrowly missed having a minor in it because the university stopped offering it before I attended and started it again the year after I graduated! My project was a novel set in Viking Scandinavia. I also complete the Honors program at the same time, combining the projects into one. I'm currently getting a Master of Arts in Lay Pastoral Ministry from the Athenaeum of Ohio. Yes, all my schools have weird names. It was a Master of Arts in Religion when I started, and I like that name better because I don't plan to go into ministry. I've been sewing costumes since I was a child, but really started in earnest when I joined the SCA. I blame Mr. Rogers for my medieval mania. I still like it when my children watch the show and anyone says, "Correct as usual, King Friday!" Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 19:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77NIU0h018697 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:18:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77NFUdD026684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77NFRMW016997; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77NFHMW016854 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p1-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.1] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ktyU-0003eJ-00; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:15:14 +1200 Message-ID: <002901c35d39$c03a6f80$01c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20030807043006.0550f950@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:13:55 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >And my usual trick of making something from a blanket is not going to work > >here;) > > "Maybe you could sew together many strips of satiny blanket binding?", said > Kayta, totally unhelpfully. lol! I must have edited things badly, I was meaning I was wanting to make the Grey wool dress from Moulin Rouge... well probably a jacket and skirt combo;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 20:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780Ef0h018928 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780BidD002713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780Bg1C000777; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780Bd1C000731 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip191.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.191]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DC96DBDA for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:10:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale on tapestry fabric Message-ID: <3F328815.31280.5CD9CC0D@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20030807213314.93717.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Honest, Robin. It really is on Saturday. Her "tomorrow" must be Saturday. (She's probably so excited she forgot that Friday was in the way!) > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > > > I'll pass on the tapestry fabric, as I'm registered > > for the lecture Robin's giving tomorrow. > > Oh, God, am I giving a lecture *tomorrow*? > > I know I'm doing five of them on Saturday ... > > --Robin > who has been known to get dates wrong Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 20:17:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780H00h018935 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:17:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780E3dD002958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780E11C002673; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780Du1D002565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h780Ekbh019895 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:14:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h780Ek3X019893 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:14:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:14:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308072014.46107.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h780Du1D002565 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 07 August 2003 01:09 pm, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [snip] > I have a friend who has a real 1868 or so gown [it has a slightly raised > straight waist, and pagoda sleeves....so not a ball gown. Maybe a dinner or > reception gown] that is the most vivd pink you've ever seen. It is > completely plain but for some clever ribbon & button trim in off white > around the horizontal neckline. A 1/2" silk ribbon is folded so it makes a > flat point that faces upward and goes above the neckline. Then it is ruche > on the upper edge of the ribbon to form a crinkled semicircle around the > bottom of a small flat mother of pearl button that is sewn right at the > neckline's edge. Then the point again. This repeats all the way around the > neckline. I wish I could draw it. I wish you could *photograph* it, and post the photo! Don't suppose your friend is interested in doing that.... -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 20:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780SM0h018953 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780PQdD004347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780PL1C011246; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780PF1D011188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h780QAbh019973 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:26:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h780QAcp019971 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:26:10 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:26:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200308052328.h75NSN2q026164@net.indra.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030806204953.01ec05b8@mail.rileyhome.net> <00e401c35d1d$2e950a20$6401a8c0@VALINOR> In-Reply-To: <00e401c35d1d$2e950a20$6401a8c0@VALINOR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308072026.10288.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h780PF1D011188 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 07 August 2003 03:50 pm, Herself-the-Elf wrote: > Hi all...I need a bit of advice as Victorian is not exactly my era of > expertise. > > I'm planning on making a Mina Murray costume (from The League of > Extraordinary Gentlemen, a fabulous graphic novel to which the horrible > movie bears very little resemblance), but I don't know much detail about > the dresses of that period. Basically I'd be looking at 1889-1890 London. I believe LEG is set in 1899 or 1900, and what I remember of Mina's costumes from the movie matches best with that period. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 21:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7811c0h019011 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:01:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780wedD007554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:58:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h780wbML003680; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h780wYML003623 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-121-114-109.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.121.114.109 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 00:58:33 -0000 Message-ID: <024401c35d48$303d0640$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030807071908.3948.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c35cd6$8e0c8dd0$65a176cb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:58:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" > And now I have to ask, as I do have a big old Moulin Rouge costuming site;), > who made the Grey dress from Moulin Rouge?:) Is that this one? http://demode.tweedlebop.com/CC_2003/100-0021_IMG.JPG If so, I'm sorry, I don't know her name! We just kept calling her "the Kirsten Dunst" girl because she looked like her -- although as she pointed out, Kirsten looks like HER. > And will this page be staying > so I can link to it? Can I link to it? If the page isn't staying can I host > the image at my site. If* I need her permission as well is there any way to > forward this on to ask her? This page will be staying so you may safely link away, link away! > *In NZ it's ok to take a photo of someone without their permission (I think > in a public arena) and you have to ask the person who took the photo for the > rights to use it... which is a bit on the nose if you didn't expect to have > a photo taken really... I generally assume that if someone is bothered by their picture showing up on my site, they'll let me know and I can remove it! (Please don't bash me over the head for this) - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 22:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h782210h019144 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h781wudD013107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h781wqBB013556; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h781wnBC013534 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h781wmiY007560 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:58:48 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.43.163]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:58:47 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: <035701c35d50$9b6e9bb0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] fabric stabilizers - thanks! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a quick thank you to everyone for their suggestions! I think I'm going to try one of the dissolvable stabilizers (Solvy or similar) and see how that works. The scroll frame at 5 Rivers is beautiful - maybe one day, if I find I'm doing a lot of embroidery! Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:19:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783Jk0h019303 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783GgdD020398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783GeEx003707; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783G7Ex003344 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5E9D40086; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:15:53 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5E75F00276; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:15:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c35d5b$bd6ab540$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:18:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail, One of my interns has her doctors in religion and is a Rev. She is really into the funeral customs and mourning wear that we are putting online.... so have you studied or interested in mourning, christening, bridal, or confirmation/1st communion fashion customs? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:22:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783M60h019309 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:22:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783JBdD020601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783JBEx005285; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783J7Ex005252 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-243-163.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.163]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kxmU-0005RG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:19:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:32:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:02 AM -0500 8/6/03, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: >My bachelors is in mathematics. >My masters is in library and information science. >Weird combination, I know. :) Bachelor of Arts (!) in Biology Master's in Botany Certificate in Graphic Design The last one is the only one I've ever used at work. None of them seem particularly relevant to historical needlework :) except that I rely on my computer a lot to re-draw, re-size or otherwise modify artwork and patterns. I've considered going back to school in something related to my research, perhaps medieval history . . . but then I remember what I'm like in classes that go too slowly or that I don't see any sense in taking . . . no thanks! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:22:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783ME0h019313 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:22:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783JJdD020619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783JIEx005336; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783J9Ex005269 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-243-163.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.163]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kxmX-0005RG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:19:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018801c35ca7$bca48be0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> References: <000201c35c7f$da8a13f0$b4520940@WorkingGirl> <018801c35ca7$bca48be0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:44:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forward from museum list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:49 AM -0400 8/7/03, Penny Ladnier wrote: >You might want to look into the traditions of the culture and the religion. >Maybe there is a reason for the brown color. > >My second guess is that it was a dye that discolored. Possibly logwood. I have a copy of a paper somewhere analyzing the thread -- originally blue -- that was used in stitching a number of original blue (Union) American Civil War uniforms. Over the years the thread has turned brown, having been dyed with logwood, a cheap but notoriously non-colorfast dye. Apparently for a while some re-enactors were conscientiously stitching their blue uniforms with brown thread, until someone investigated and came up with these results. Unlike the thread, the uniform cloth didn't turn brown because it was dyed with indigo. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783P20h019319 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783M7dD020962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783M6Ex007270; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783LjEx006900 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A73D122004E; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:21:33 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A73B3D90202; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c35d5c$87cded20$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004601c35cf7$f7cd72e0$9091bf3f@DF1HCJ11> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: degrees Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:24:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maryann.... I am so glad you de-lurked and now I know another person from VA!!! Welcome to Costume Heaven!!!!! You are about an hour from me!!!!! Are you on the Costume-DC email list??? Carol the list owner is on h-costume. You don't have to live in DC just in the hundred or so mile radius. Second, have you been to Agecroft Hall in Richmond yet? There are so many things to see in our area. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783bQ0h019332 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:37:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783YWdD022107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783YUEx015275; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783YMEx015130 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h783YFKc024552 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:34:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223004.02d8d510@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:34:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Well, I have been diversely educated...I have my FGA and FCGmA in gemmology, I have a college diploma in Public Relations, parts of BAs in English, Anthropology, Women's Studies, and History (I never finished any of them). I am currently finishing my Masters in Art History (specializing in clothing and textiles) at the University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, Minnesota - I'm currently writing my thesis on English women's embroidered jackets from the first half of the 17th century. In January, I'm starting my PhD at the University of Manchester on clothing and textile references in 16th century English wills and inventories...so I guess you could say my costume obsession has become my life. : ) Oh, and I have my certificate from packaging school - I was a supply technician in the Navy...not good for much except giggles. Cheers, Danielle (back from England again) At 08:21 AM 8/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >So, now that I have a two year certificate from my local community >college, and >two years of prior university from the first time I went, I realized I'm >probably >rather close to earning a bachelors, finally - if I found a program at >which I could >apply a lot of those credits! RIght now I'm thinking about the Theatre >Arts program >at SFSU, because it's local and not too expensive. But I was just curious >what >various programs people on the list (especially those that work in costuming) >had gotten their degrees in. > >I know this topic comes up about once a year, but hey, our membership >fluctuates ;) > >thanks! >.heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:40:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783eU0h019342 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783bbdD022479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783baEx017599; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783bVEx017529 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h783bSrw018673 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:40:39 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <00e701c35ba4$33eadce0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:52 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Another bonus, is to go on your judgement. If your personality matches that >of the professors. You will be working closely with them and if you don't >get along with them... fiction will occur. Remember in the beginning of >getting those first jobs after graduation, the professors are your >references. It is also good to know if you need advice after graduation >that you can call your professors. >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumeclassroom.com I'm sorry Penny, I couldn't resist. You give great advice but what kind of fiction occurs? Historical? Fantasy? Cheers, Danielle (tongue planted firmly in cheek) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 7 23:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783sE0h019372 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:54:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783pEdD023734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h783pDEx025658; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h783pBEx025642 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0615.gti.net [208.216.122.15]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id BEA7335612 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F331E1B.F34727CB@gti.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:50:51 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: degrees References: <004601c35cf7$f7cd72e0$9091bf3f@DF1HCJ11> <003e01c35d5c$87cded20$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, How does one subscribe to the Costume-DC e-list? Deb R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 02:28:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786Se0h030517 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786OqdD006630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786Optk026091; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786Ontk026036 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A225192009A; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:24:37 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2234A90202; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c35d76$08e734c0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004601c35cf7$f7cd72e0$9091bf3f@DF1HCJ11><003e01c35d5c$87cded20$0400a8c0@comcast.net> <3F331E1B.F34727CB@gti.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: degrees Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:26:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deb, Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumedc/ and sign up. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 02:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786Sg0h030532 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786NPdD006539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786NNtk025430; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786NKtk025362 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A1CC18C009A; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:23:08 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A1CA4A20202; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c35d75$d47e2720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:25:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle (the educated in many ways), I am one of those left and right brained people... I am also ambridexious (sp). I have a business side and a very creative side. But can't do both in the same day. I can either work on the bookkeeping, html coding, and research OR work on creative side with drawing, painting, etc. I can also get burned out on one (tech or creative) and have to switch to the other for a day or so. I can't do creative and tech writing in the same week... blows my thinking process. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 02:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786qu0h007615 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786o3dD008271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786o0tk009641; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786nwtk009615 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h786oed20799 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200308080650.h786oed20799@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd look at Truly Victorian's patterns. Among other things, they can custom draft patterns for your measurements, which makes life easier if you're not used to fitting those snug bodices. http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ TV462, the Tail Bodice just seems like a Mina kind of dress to me. Photo at: http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/photo7.html Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 02:54:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786s50h008048 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:54:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786pEdD008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786pEtk010394; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h786pBtk010358 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-7-21.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.7.21]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h786p7eE024678 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030807234206.025b6658@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:48:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume college pictures In-Reply-To: <1F214788-C8ED-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> References: <000701c35cf7$750fe7c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:37 AM 8/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: >oh Bjarne, you would have loved the hat guy! He brought in about 100 >of his 6000 hats... what an insane collector! I love the 70's mink hat - >something about how it's both a "pimp" hat and a "pilgrim" hat at the >same time is too hysterical! > >.heather. ...and Edward Maeder's copy of an 18th C. banyan in the historic Deerfield collection. I don't know how it has happened, but Braunschweig & Fil is producing reproduction 18th C. chintzes from Deerfield and Edward's banyan is made from the fabric they reproduced from the banyan. Dawn (who found linen chintz in the Garment District on Monday) Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 03:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787CK0h015365 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7879QdD009580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7879PE1019909; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7879ME1019841 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030808070917.19344.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:09:17 BST Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:09:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <024401c35d48$303d0640$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I generally assume that if someone is bothered by their picture showing up > on my site, they'll let me know and I can remove it! (Please don't bash me > over the head for this) > > - Kendra Kendra, I fully agree, and here in the UK it seems that PC-gone-mad and the culture of let's-sue-everyone is finally starting to be stopped. There have been some high court judges who made some very interesting decisions and remarks. There are bazillions of sites with piccies from UK multi=period events and no one asks anyone who is on the pix if they are allowed to post them, on the contrary, people are happy that they are able to grab pix of themselves - if they are told they are allowed to do so - and use them on their own site if so wished. It is such a pain trying to get good photos of oneself in costume! :-) So, if anyone wants to bash Kendra, go on and bash me too - and you know what effect that has on my thick skull: none! ;-) Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Love Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 03:29:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787Ts0h020263 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787PpdD011004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787PoE1029144; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787PmE1029134 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-7-21.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.7.21]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h787PhOs019016 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030808001602.00b72418@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:23:09 -0700 To: historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Does anybody know of a good Edwardian corset pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm, the problems that can be caused by a hat. ;-) OK, I really didn't need an absolutely darling Edwardian hat--cream straw with a brown grosgrain ribbon and brown and yellow flowers--but I couldn't resist it because I know of the perfect suit to build for the hat. And I really didn't need to buy all that fabulous wool from B. Black & Sons--an exquisite winter white tropical weight wool gabardine from Hong Kong--but it was just to beautiful to pass up and goes with the hat. So now I need an Edwardian corset. Does anybody know of a good Edwardian corset pattern? TIA! Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 03:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787h90h026244 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:43:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787e6dD011920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787e4E1006412; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787e1E1006368 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VALINOR ([65.50.96.88]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030808073959.TMMB468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:39:59 -0400 From: "Herself-the-Elf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:39:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5329 In-Reply-To: <200308072026.10288.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcNdREaXEJqphbktQHW9uz3ihjfebQAO87QA X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [65.50.96.88] using ID at Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <20030808073959.TMMB468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops, you're right. The original comic is actually set in 1898... Well, SOME of her costumes from the movie were period. Sort of. I don't think the black leather-and-lace catsuit counts as period...lol -- Sarcasm-hime -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? On Thursday 07 August 2003 03:50 pm, Herself-the-Elf wrote: > Hi all...I need a bit of advice as Victorian is not exactly my era of > expertise. > > I'm planning on making a Mina Murray costume (from The League of > Extraordinary Gentlemen, a fabulous graphic novel to which the > horrible movie bears very little resemblance), but I don't know much > detail about the dresses of that period. Basically I'd be looking at 1889-1890 London. I believe LEG is set in 1899 or 1900, and what I remember of Mina's costumes from the movie matches best with that period. -- Cathy Raymond "No man is rich enough to buy back his past." Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 03:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787oE0h029282 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787lLdD012395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787lLE1010083; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h787lIE1010027 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A57A14F0098; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:47:06 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A578128028E; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00a101c35d81$84222360$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:48:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Brown dress question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't recall the year of the brown museum dresses, but I found this in an 1871 Peterson's Magazine tonight: "A very ugly shade of brown is coming into fashion, something like the most unbecoming Bismark brown...." Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 04:06:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h788630h003777 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7883BdD013472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h788382d018209; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h788352d018159 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-126-179.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.126.179]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h78833Or001564 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030808005912.05637700@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:02:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Does anybody know of a good Edwardian corset pattern? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030808001602.00b72418@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Hmmm, the problems that can be caused by a hat. ;-) > >OK, I really didn't need an absolutely darling Edwardian hat--cream straw >with a brown grosgrain ribbon and brown and yellow flowers--but I couldn't >resist it because I know of the perfect suit to build for the hat. > >And I really didn't need to buy all that fabulous wool from B. Black & >Sons--an exquisite winter white tropical weight wool gabardine from Hong >Kong--but it was just to beautiful to pass up and goes with the hat. > >So now I need an Edwardian corset. Does anybody know of a good Edwardian >corset pattern? I got my s-bend one out of Norah Waugh's 'Corsets and Crinolines'. I can show you the corset I made from it, but I no longer have the full-size pattern. But I think you need a later period corset than mine (I've seen the hat). CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 07:23:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78BNV0h024403 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:23:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78BIvdD026379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78BItVg021544; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78BIrVh021527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h78BJobh021827 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:19:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h78BJo08021825 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:19:50 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030808073959.TMMB468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> In-Reply-To: <20030808073959.TMMB468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308080719.49937.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h78BIrVh021527 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2003 03:39 am, Herself-the-Elf wrote: > Whoops, you're right. The original comic is actually set in 1898... > > Well, SOME of her costumes from the movie were period. Sort of. I don't > think the black leather-and-lace catsuit counts as period...lol Yes. Well. I wasn't thinking of those. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 08:39:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CdO0h024535 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CZ1dD003304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CYxHU001465; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CYtHV001402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 19l6PN-0002hk-3Q; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:31:49 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 19l6Ss-0003jz-00; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:35:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Herself-the-Elf Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? In-Reply-To: <20030808073959.TMMB468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@VALINOR> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "'Historical Costume'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If it's late 1890's you want Past Patterns 1897 side closing bodice pattern is great, very easy to construct. http://www.pastpatterns.com/207.html I particuarly like the "spectator" jacket too http://www.pastpatterns.com/113.html Katy On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Herself-the-Elf wrote: >Whoops, you're right. The original comic is actually set in 1898... > >Well, SOME of her costumes from the movie were period. Sort of. I don't >think the black leather-and-lace catsuit counts as period...lol > >-- Sarcasm-hime > > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:26 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1890s dress help? > >On Thursday 07 August 2003 03:50 pm, Herself-the-Elf wrote: >> Hi all...I need a bit of advice as Victorian is not exactly my era of >> expertise. >> >> I'm planning on making a Mina Murray costume (from The League of >> Extraordinary Gentlemen, a fabulous graphic novel to which the >> horrible movie bears very little resemblance), but I don't know much >> detail about the dresses of that period. Basically I'd be looking at >1889-1890 London. > >I believe LEG is set in 1899 or 1900, and what I remember of Mina's costumes >from the movie matches best with that period. > > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"No man is rich enough to buy back his >past." Oscar Wilde > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 08:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CpP0h024569 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:51:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78ClMdD004338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78ClLHU008065; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78ClJHU008039 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.31.36.206.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([67.31.36.206] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19l6eM-0002GR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:47:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808081305.061e3228@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:47:02 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catching up on a few days' posts... Claire Clarke writes: >I have a degree in theoretical physics. >...On the other hand I can highly recommend physics. Curious... at one time this was an area in which I was interested. What occupations, other than in academia, use degrees in theoretical physics? Penny writes: >People ask me the college selection/major/job question often via my website. >What you major in depends on what you want to do with the degree. I suggest >that you not only check out the college but the instructors of what you want >to major in. Also check with people in the field in which you want to work, and the positions which you would ultimately like to have, and their bosses. Ask them about their education and experience, their career paths to get to those positions, and -- in the cases of the bosses -- what qualifications they look for in someone applying for that sort of job. You might be completely surprised by what's needed and required. Also ask the people whose jobs you'd eventually like, what their daily tasks are like -- the mundane drudgery ones as well as the interesting glamourous ones. >You might also want to ask what organizations the >professors are in and if they are an active members... meaning do they >really do things with their organization or do they just sign up to say they >are a member. You can always call the organization and ask how active the >professor is. Interesting. The society keeps track of this? How? (I'm a paper member of too many of these because of my soon-to-be-former job.) Saragrace writes: >I don't question any requirement for the same reasons...okay, I really don't >want to have to take differential equations again...but if I have to I >will.... DiffEq. Owwwwww. That was one motherly *painful* course. And that was only "intro to", not any of the later courses that some of the other majors required. Unfortunately, being weak in calculus affected my understanding of freshman physics, and thereby the whole downhill run in which I'm almost surprised I got my degree at all! For the record, it's an S. B. (Bachelor's) in Nuclear Engineering. Which has served me professionally only in giving me technical background to do technical indexing (the job in this soon-to-be-ex-office for which I was originally hired) of technical papers and articles relevant to the aero/astro industry. (Technically a library science job.) Deb R. writes: >I have a BA in Human Ecology (the new name for Home Economics) with a fashion >concentration from Montclair State University. Montclair State? Are you still in NJ? I weekend in North Plainfield... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 08:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CuU0h024600 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:56:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CrYdD004949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CrXHU012146; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CrVHU012134 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.31.36.206.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([67.31.36.206] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19l6kM-00015U-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:53:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:53:16 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cozit / Liz writes: >... some of you out there have heard of the term "freaking the mundanes"... I've usually heard it contracted to "freaking the 'danes" -- to which someone not in the know might think we were trying to give Bjarne and Leif fits! I think this misunderstanding may have been used as a source of humor in the SF novel "Fallen Angels" (it's been a while since I read it)... >I have friends who have been known to mess with the minds of some of the >die-hard fans. *g* I've run into (thankfully, a very few) individual fans who seem to have a problem separating reality from fiction. As an active member of STARFLEET: The International STAR TREK Fan Association, my "hall costume" is generally one or another Starfleet uniform, with insignia and name tag appropriate to my rank and position in the Starfleet chapter to which I belong (USS AVENGER NCC-1860, out of North Brunswick, NJ). I've had a handful of incidences where, despite a name tag saying "USS AVENGER" and a uniform from STAR TREK: The Next Generation, a twentysomething or thirtysomething woman would approach me and *seriously* (not as a joke or as seeing if *I'm* taking this thing too seriously) ask me to beam her up to the ENTERPRISE so she could meet and/or bed Mr. Spock. Cathy Raymond writes: >I've known several fen who wear business suits to cons--on purpose, >because it >felt right to them, or because they had been somewhere they needed to wear a >suit to and hadn't felt like changing clothes. Most of the people who wear suits to cons, and who haven't just come from work/are headed directly to work, are people who either (1) want to imitate Men In Black, or the bad-police-type-guys in The Matrix, or something like that or (2) want to imitate hotel security or (3) want people to think they're hotel security so that they can boss people around. >At cons, I usually wear either one of my historic costumes, or the sort of >things I usually wear to our (business casual) office, namely, a sweater or >top under a jacket, and chinos or khaki pants. If I go "'dane" to a con, it'll be either an appropriate t-shirt (SF/F or computer industry show swag) and jeans/shorts or something rennie. I've pretty much not been in the con scene for a few years, though -- time and money constraints, and most of the cons have gotten both very expensive (sawbuck-and-eagle you to death) and very dull. >At the cons I've attended most, fans wear anything from T-shirts (nearly >always with an...interesting picture or slogan) to peasant skirts and >blouses, to historic costume, to alien or futuristic costume, to ....next to >nothing, in some cases. Yup. Sounds familiar... >And the jewelry....some of it was lovely, some tacky, some garish, and >some ghastly, but most of it was exotic, or at least unique.... Cons, faires, and street fairs are my usual sources for mundane/modern jewelry. I like "unique" pieces, directly from the designer/artisan. And I like the prices :) Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 08:58:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CwQ0h024605 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:58:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CtHdD005139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CtGHc013200; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78CtDHc013141 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909181C4780 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5B7FE3942; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:55:11 -0700 (PDT) From: prairielark To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! X-Originating-Ip: [66.162.203.195] Message-Id: <20030808125512.5B7FE3942@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h78CtDHc013141 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please bear in mind if you are thinking of using ANY dupioni fabric that the process by which dupioni is made was not even thought about until the late 19th century. You will NEVER (and I mean never) see dupioni in an original civil war era gown; it just didn't exist yet. This is one of my pet peeves, sorry for the emphasis. The color, however suitable, should not be used as an excuse for using an incorrect fabric. The slubs in dupioni result from using threads from two different types of silkworms and I forget now the specifics. Apparently however before this the two types were NEVER mixed, and please remember that slubs were NOT a desired characteristic of fabric before the last quarter of the 19th century. Our ancestors would have seen it as flawed, cheap fabric. I learned this in an excellent textiles class taught by Sally Queen (www.sallyqueenassociates.com) Thanks for your patience with my little rant. For more information on suitable fabrics for 19th century gowns, please see Lynn Z. Bassett's excellent book, "Textiles for Clothing of the Early Republic, 1800 - 1850." For this and more fabric history titles, go here: http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/Bookstore/bookstorepages/textiles.htm Phoebe the prairie lark --- "Cynthia Abel" wrote: >Bjane: > >You could also use the silk for a gown or gowns from the late 1860's through >mid 1890's when the advent of aniline dyes made very vivid colors and color >combinations possible. Check prints and high fashion mags of the 1890's, >especially--I've seen some wild color combinations that actually work. > >Cindy Abel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Meadows" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:39 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni > > >> Bjarne, I've seen a lot of very pink dresses from the 1830's >> recently -- perhaps you could use it for that period? >> >> I don't know the name of the iron stuff, though. I hear silk will >> regain >> some crispness if you put vinegar into the rinse water, though! >> >> >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > Some time ago i asked you what i should do with the 12 meters of >> > shocking >> > pink dupioni i have. >> > I think Saragrace proposed me to wash it and then use some stuff to >> > iron >> > into the fabric, to get the crispy touch again to the fabric. >> > What was that stuff called? >> > I was at the museum library yesterday taking photos of Galleries des >> > modes >> > et Costumes francaise. There were many prints with very vivid pink >> > colours, >> > so i think when i wash some of it out, i could use it. >> > Amongst the prints is a very pretty Levité wich is combined of apple >> > green >> > and pink into broad stripes. >> > I am tempted to try to make it, and it is a shame not to use all that >> > dupioni, it could be used for "Gustafs Skål" >> > Another colour combination is a dark yellow and purple, it looks >> > rather good >> > actually, i am quite surprised of the colour combinations they used >> > those >> > years. The prints are from 1778- 1784. >> > >> > Thanks if you could help me with this name of the iron stuff. >> > >> > Bjarne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Leif og Bjarne Drews >> > www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> > >> > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Herspace.com [[feed your heart * fuel your art]] http://www.herspace.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 09:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78DIi0h024643 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78DFldD007112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78DFkHc025863; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78DFbHd025702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 19l72l-0004fy-E1; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:12:31 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 19l76H-0007T5-00; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:16:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: historic costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] museum closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am forwarding this from my Costume Society of America online Newsletter. Such a shame. This from Pat Warner who attended the Costume Society of Great Britain symposium in Bath in June: Anthea Jarvis, Curator of The Gallery of Costume, Platt Hall in Manchester, revealed at the meeting that the museum has been closed, apparently because of financial contingency. It will still be available by appointment for researchers who want to use its wonderful resources -- it is one of the finest collections of costume in Great Britain -- but it will no longer be open for general visitation. See http://www.manchestergalleries.org/html/costume/goc_info.html. CSA members who would like to support the museum and its work may write to: Mrs. Virginia Tandy, Director Manchester City Galleries Manchester Art Gallery Mosley Street Manchester M2 3JL UK Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GIO0h025172 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:18:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GFRdD026870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GFPgd017306; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GFLgd017233 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-103-83.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.103.83]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D136B2F97F for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:15:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Heather Meadows To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7BEC5B4C-C9BB-11D7-B8EB-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GKB0h025180 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GHEdD027140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GHDgd018939; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GHAgd018908 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:15:28 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id ACA0B650138; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:15:28 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:15:28 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1890s mens ties Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c35dc8$894ea1a0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can find patterns and knot info in the Laughing Moon pattern #107. I use this a lot for Victorian men. http://www.lafnmoon.com/victorian_shirt.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of moefen@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:49 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1890s mens ties Hi all, Continuing the theme of the 1890s, I am currently designing a production of Mrs. Warren's Profession, by Shaw. We have set the costumes as 1895 / 1896, but I have a question regarding men's ties. The photographs and illustrations I have seen often have men wearing a very wide tie that has a very large triangular knot. The Montgomery Ward and Sears catalogues from that era refer to Windsor and Four in Hand ties. The question: are we still using the same knots under the same names? Or were they tied differently because of the large size of the tie, or do the knots just look different because they are so large? Thanks for any help, M _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:27:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GRR0h025195 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GNvdD028072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GNtgd025263; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1mtao01.cox.net (fed1mtao01.cox.net [68.6.19.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GNpgd025125 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.53]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030808162342.LXIF20780.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:23:42 -0400 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:23:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030808162342.LXIF20780.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 > How funny! I own that one! Heidi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:45:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Gjf0h025337 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GgYdD000383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GgVgd013230; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GgQgd013074 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003080816422001600gveh7e>; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: <3F33D2ED.5000808@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:42:21 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > Amusingly, I often wear nice/formal "mundane" clothes to cons because > I get so few mundane changes to dress up nicely, and a con is a place > where I enjoy doing something a little special. On the other hand, as > I think I've mentioned before on this list', my "mundane business > suits' have a tendency to be historically inspired to some degree. But > wearing them at cons isn't something I'm doing as a "costume" function > but as a "dress up" function. Some people wear suits because it's > what they like dressing up in. > I once wore mundane business clothes to a convention, for the same reason Heather states. The funny thing was, nobody recognized me! And I was pretty active in Midwestern fandom at the time, helping run the darn things. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:51:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Gp10h025741 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GludD000993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Gltgd017902; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GlOgd017434 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-126-179.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.126.179])h78GlJoP002758 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:47:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030808093640.053f5860@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:37:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern In-Reply-To: <7BEC5B4C-C9BB-11D7-B8EB-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 Hey - at least it's recognizable as the period it purports to be. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:52:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Gqd0h025754 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GlRdD000939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GlQgd017473; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GlNgd017418 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-126-179.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.126.179])h78GlJoN002758 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:47:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030808092918.053f6e00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:34:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I have friends who have been known to mess with the minds of some of the >>die-hard fans. *g* > >I've run into (thankfully, a very few) individual fans who seem to have a >problem separating reality from fiction. As an active member of STARFLEET: >The International STAR TREK Fan Association, my "hall costume" is >generally one or another Starfleet uniform, with insignia and name tag >appropriate to my rank and position in the Starfleet chapter to which I >belong (USS AVENGER NCC-1860, out of North Brunswick, NJ). I've had a >handful of incidences where, despite a name tag saying "USS AVENGER" and a >uniform from STAR TREK: The Next Generation, a twentysomething or >thirtysomething woman would approach me and *seriously* (not as a joke or >as seeing if *I'm* taking this thing too seriously) ask me to beam her up >to the ENTERPRISE so she could meet and/or bed Mr. Spock. I think these folks are mistakenly under the impression that they're being funny. I've met them too, and I don't think they think they're serious. Yawn, them again. >>I've known several fen who wear business suits to cons--on purpose, >>because it >>felt right to them, or because they had been somewhere they needed to wear a >>suit to and hadn't felt like changing clothes. > >Most of the people who wear suits to cons, and who haven't just come from >work/are headed directly to work, are people who either (1) want to >imitate Men In Black, or the bad-police-type-guys in The Matrix, or >something like that or (2) want to imitate hotel security or (3) want >people to think they're hotel security so that they can boss people around. Or want to be seen as being in costume, which suits are to most fen in this area (San Francisco Bay Area). >>At cons, I usually wear either one of my historic costumes, or the sort of >>things I usually wear to our (business casual) office, namely, a sweater or >>top under a jacket, and chinos or khaki pants. > >If I go "'dane" to a con, it'll be either an appropriate t-shirt (SF/F or >computer industry show swag) and jeans/shorts or something rennie. I've >pretty much not been in the con scene for a few years, though -- time and >money constraints, and most of the cons have gotten both very expensive >(sawbuck-and-eagle you to death) and very dull. I guess I avoid that expensive sort of Con. But at the biggest local Cons historical wear seems to be accepted, and even has a division in the masquerade, for some unknown reason. I guess they think historicals are fantasy compared to today's clothes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 12:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GuV0h025776 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:56:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GrddD001708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Gragd022946; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78GrVgd022869 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-126-179.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.126.179])h78GrToN016669 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:53:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030808095001.053f2460@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:53:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes In-Reply-To: <3F33D2ED.5000808@fenris.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Amusingly, I often wear nice/formal "mundane" clothes to cons because I >>get so few mundane changes to dress up nicely, and a con is a place where >>I enjoy doing something a little special. On the other hand, as I think >>I've mentioned before on this list', my "mundane business suits' have a >>tendency to be historically inspired to some degree. But wearing them at >>cons isn't something I'm doing as a "costume" function but as a "dress >>up" function. Some people wear suits because it's what they like >>dressing up in. >I once wore mundane business clothes to a convention, for the same reason >Heather states. The funny thing was, nobody recognized me! And I was >pretty active in Midwestern fandom at the time, helping run the darn things. This happened to me once. I, uncharacteristically, wore a short skirt, nylons, heels, and the rest of girl clothes, put my hair up, and did modern makeup. My friends walked right past me. They notice me in jeans and slouchy t-shirts, in f/sf costumes, or, of course, in historicals. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:15:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HFd0h025818 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78EYfdD014819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78EYaoU018580; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78EWloU017145 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.18e.1e2c23d5 (3956) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1e2c23d5.2c650e87@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:32:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I may be bursting a bubble here, but while "dupioni" as such didn't exist, dupioni-like fabric DID. It was used in the Renaissance, even. The form of "dupioni-like" fabric that existed back then was created mostly by accident when two silkworms (not two types of) were put too close together while being raised, and formed one cocoon together. The slubs in dupioni, according to the articles I've read, do NOT result from two types of silkworms, they result from silkworms being too close together. This makes the threads get tangled when being reeled, and forms a "slub". I think the 'two types' of silkworms you're thinking of might be mulberry-fed and oak-fed; the latter results in Tussah. Evidence of my own little rant can be seen in Luca Mola's "The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice". Also, Jen Thompson wrote an article that summarized some of the book, in the effort to point out that using dupioni is perfectly period- perhaps not for, say, Queen Elizabeth I or or a Venetian Doge, but certainly for anyone who didn't have an unlimited spending account. Gee, that sounds a lot like us modern non-royalty types Anyway, article link: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/silk.html Christine n a message dated 8/8/2003 9:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, prairielark@herspace.com writes: > Please bear in mind if you are thinking of using ANY dupioni fabric that > the process by which dupioni is made was not even thought about until the late > 19th century. You will NEVER (and I mean never) see dupioni in an original > civil war era gown; it just didn't exist yet. This is one of my pet peeves, > sorry for the emphasis. > > The color, however suitable, should not be used as an excuse for using an > incorrect fabric. The slubs in dupioni result from using threads from two > different types of silkworms and I forget now the specifics. Apparently however > before this the two types were NEVER mixed, and please remember that slubs > were NOT a desired characteristic of fabric before the last quarter of the > 19th century. Our ancestors would have seen it as flawed, cheap fabric. I > learned this in an excellent textiles class taught by Sally Queen > (www.sallyqueenassociates.com) > > Thanks for your patience with my little rant. For more information on > suitable fabrics for 19th century gowns, please see Lynn Z. Bassett's excellent > book, "Textiles for Clothing of the Early Republic, 1800 - 1850." For this and > more fabric history titles, go here: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:15:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HFd0j025818 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:15:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FjOdD022608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FjNRi018976; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h78FjKRi018873 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWh9NiMjBI+dPLbg2YP+dxpIHfoCuqseFFg==">; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:44:36 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H63SRG95; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:44:36 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes Message-ID: <20030808.113705.-243235.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,11-13 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brenda, does that ever rings bells and revive memories. I haven't been to a con for several years myself for the same reasons you gave. I usually went with some other members of my "ship" and we were in uniform. However, we were the older members and wore the original Star Trek movie uniforms (not the horrible gray things, but the later ones). Once was told by Nichele Nicholes that my uniform looked better than the ones they wore. And several times people asked us if we were in a band. Somehow, I never thought of those uniforms as band uniforms - certainly not like the ones I wore in school bands. Mostly though people just wanted pictures taken with us. Weird! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HFd0l025818 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:15:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FOHdD019810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FOGRi029585; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FOBRi029488 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-103-83.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.103.83]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197022F992 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:24:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030808125512.5B7FE3942@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-Id: <5D261336-C9B4-11D7-B8EB-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h78FOBRi029488 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rest assured, Bjarne's choice is quite educated. On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 05:55 AM, prairielark wrote: > Please bear in mind if you are thinking of using ANY dupioni fabric > that the process by which dupioni is made was not even thought about > until the late 19th century. You will NEVER (and I mean never) see > dupioni in an original civil war era gown; it just didn't exist yet. > This is one of my pet peeves, sorry for the emphasis. > > The color, however suitable, should not be used as an excuse for using > an incorrect fabric. The slubs in dupioni result from using threads > from two different types of silkworms and I forget now the specifics. > Apparently however before this the two types were NEVER mixed, and > please remember that slubs were NOT a desired characteristic of fabric > before the last quarter of the 19th century. Our ancestors would have > seen it as flawed, cheap fabric. I learned this in an excellent > textiles class taught by Sally Queen (www.sallyqueenassociates.com) > > Thanks for your patience with my little rant. For more information on > suitable fabrics for 19th century gowns, please see Lynn Z. Bassett's > excellent book, "Textiles for Clothing of the Early Republic, 1800 - > 1850." For this and more fabric history titles, go here: > > http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/Bookstore/bookstorepages/ > textiles.htm > > Phoebe > > the prairie lark > > > > > --- "Cynthia Abel" wrote: >> Bjane: >> >> You could also use the silk for a gown or gowns from the late 1860's >> through >> mid 1890's when the advent of aniline dyes made very vivid colors and >> color >> combinations possible. Check prints and high fashion mags of the >> 1890's, >> especially--I've seen some wild color combinations that actually work. >> >> Cindy Abel >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Heather Meadows" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni >> >> >>> Bjarne, I've seen a lot of very pink dresses from the 1830's >>> recently -- perhaps you could use it for that period? >>> >>> I don't know the name of the iron stuff, though. I hear silk will >>> regain >>> some crispness if you put vinegar into the rinse water, though! >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Some time ago i asked you what i should do with the 12 meters of >>>> shocking >>>> pink dupioni i have. >>>> I think Saragrace proposed me to wash it and then use some stuff to >>>> iron >>>> into the fabric, to get the crispy touch again to the fabric. >>>> What was that stuff called? >>>> I was at the museum library yesterday taking photos of Galleries des >>>> modes >>>> et Costumes francaise. There were many prints with very vivid pink >>>> colours, >>>> so i think when i wash some of it out, i could use it. >>>> Amongst the prints is a very pretty Levit wich is combined of apple >>>> green >>>> and pink into broad stripes. >>>> I am tempted to try to make it, and it is a shame not to use all >>>> that >>>> dupioni, it could be used for "Gustafs Skl" >>>> Another colour combination is a dark yellow and purple, it looks >>>> rather good >>>> actually, i am quite surprised of the colour combinations they used >>>> those >>>> years. The prints are from 1778- 1784. >>>> >>>> Thanks if you could help me with this name of the iron stuff. >>>> >>>> Bjarne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Leif og Bjarne Drews >>>> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>>> >>>> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _____________________________________________________________ > Herspace.com > [[feed your heart * fuel your art]] > http://www.herspace.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HFd0n025818 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78El5dD016013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78El2oU028068; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78EkwoU027987 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h78EkvrP002763 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.207] (tnt-1-15.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.207]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78EkooH002522 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:39:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:53 AM -0400 8/8/03, Brenda Bell wrote: >Cathy Raymond writes: > >>I've known several fen who wear business suits to cons--on purpose, >>because it >>felt right to them, or because they had been somewhere they needed to wear a >>suit to and hadn't felt like changing clothes. > >Most of the people who wear suits to cons, and who haven't just come >from work/are headed directly to work, are people who either (1) >want to imitate Men In Black, or the bad-police-type-guys in The >Matrix, or something like that or (2) want to imitate hotel security >or (3) want people to think they're hotel security so that they can >boss people around. Amusingly, I often wear nice/formal "mundane" clothes to cons because I get so few mundane changes to dress up nicely, and a con is a place where I enjoy doing something a little special. On the other hand, as I think I've mentioned before on this list', my "mundane business suits' have a tendency to be historically inspired to some degree. But wearing them at cons isn't something I'm doing as a "costume" function but as a "dress up" function. Some people wear suits because it's what they like dressing up in. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:15:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HFd0p025818 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:15:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Ed3dD015277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Ed3oU021810; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Ed1oU021728 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003080814385501100cd3ibe>; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:38:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3F33B601.1070308@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:38:57 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <006e01c35d75$d47e2720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <006e01c35d75$d47e2720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: >I can't do creative and tech writing in the same week... blows my thinking >process. > > > Yeah, me too. Mixing tasks is difficult! If I've been working on a challanging sewing project, don't even ask me to talk! I just stare and make fish-faces. Sewing and other creative things seem to interfere w/ the speech centers. Writing, house-cleaning, programming do it to. But reading does not. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HOJ0h025886 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Ft2e1023850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FmoRi022151; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-f8.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.247.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78FmjRi021909 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:48:39 -0700 Received: from 140.161.57.53 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:48:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.161.57.53] X-Originating-Email: [moefen@hotmail.com] From: "" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:48:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2003 15:48:39.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[89600390:01C35DC4] Subject: [h-cost] 1890s mens ties X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Continuing the theme of the 1890s, I am currently designing a production of Mrs. Warren's Profession, by Shaw. We have set the costumes as 1895 / 1896, but I have a question regarding men's ties. The photographs and illustrations I have seen often have men wearing a very wide tie that has a very large triangular knot. The Montgomery Ward and Sears catalogues from that era refer to Windsor and Four in Hand ties. The question: are we still using the same knots under the same names? Or were they tied differently because of the large size of the tie, or do the knots just look different because they are so large? Thanks for any help, M _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 13:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HfE0h026014 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78HcDdD006770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Hc81d002513; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Hc51d002392 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.e.34185f26 (25914) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:37:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All this is fascinating in the extreme. And I mean that. But since I'm not doing living history but making costumes, I'll use what I think will enhance the design. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've used and I know is not period, but if it fits into the look I want..... And dupioni is AVAILABLE....and affordable unlike 100% silk brocade in a dress weight. I have seen some dupioni and shantung plaids that scream to be made up into crinoline gowns. Living history buffs will [and should] be horrified but...c'mon, give us costume people a break. At least it's not double knit! [which I have used, BTW, for early 19th century pants :-O] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 14:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IiS0h026785 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:44:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IfRdD014358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IfPfk001358; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu (mail.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IfMfk001248 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rmitchell [209.131.86.86] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE56C69F00E4; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c35ddc$9e7baf00$565683d1@washjeff.edu> From: "R. Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:29:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Besides the 1930,s going backwards, I am aware of only the 1890's as a previous period where shocking pink, as we know it, was in vogue. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: shocking pink > > I thought shocking pink was a historical color, good for many periods. I > don't know where I heard that, though. Maybe it's one of those costume > legends. > > I think Bjarne needs to take a tour of the USA! Get on the plane, take > medicine to make you fall asleep, and then you can take the coast to coast > tour staying free with all the list members! > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 14:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Inc0h026820 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IkfdD014955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Ikdfk006039; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78IkXfk005953 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be5f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.95]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B50E5EE1AC for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c35ddd$7ab78930$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18e.1e2c23d5.2c650e87@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:47:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Christine, Thanks for your input and it was very interresting reading that article. I am truly aware that silk dupioni was not used for clothing. Even if it excisted, it was only used for furnishing and interior decorations, not clothes. But considered what i have seen people use in Gustafs Skl, dupioni - rayon - and other fibres wich are man made, i would not think it would damage anything if i washed my shocking pink dupioni and sewed a nice little ensemble out of it. was thinking that they used some light cottons for dresses, for summer wear and if i washed the dupioni, i know it will get thinner and it will drape different from unwashed dupioni. Consider it an experiment, and then i dont have a bad contience doing it, it is better to use it for something, than having it in a drawer for nothing. Thanks for your inputs and comments, thanks for the help......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink dupioni NOT!!! > Actually, I may be bursting a bubble here, but while "dupioni" as such didn't > exist, dupioni-like fabric DID. It was used in the Renaissance, even. The > form of "dupioni-like" fabric that existed back then was created mostly by > accident when two silkworms (not two types of) were put too close together while > being raised, and formed one cocoon together. > The slubs in dupioni, according to the articles I've read, do NOT result from > two types of silkworms, they result from silkworms being too close together. > This makes the threads get tangled when being reeled, and forms a "slub". I > think the 'two types' of silkworms you're thinking of might be mulberry-fed > and oak-fed; the latter results in Tussah. > > Evidence of my own little rant can be seen in Luca Mola's "The Silk Industry > in Renaissance Venice". Also, Jen Thompson wrote an article that summarized > some of the book, in the effort to point out that using dupioni is perfectly > period- perhaps not for, say, Queen Elizabeth I or or a Venetian Doge, but > certainly for anyone who didn't have an unlimited spending account. Gee, that > sounds a lot like us modern non-royalty types > Anyway, article link: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/silk.html > > Christine > > > > n a message dated 8/8/2003 9:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > prairielark@herspace.com writes: > > > Please bear in mind if you are thinking of using ANY dupioni fabric that > > the process by which dupioni is made was not even thought about until the late > > 19th century. You will NEVER (and I mean never) see dupioni in an original > > civil war era gown; it just didn't exist yet. This is one of my pet peeves, > > sorry for the emphasis. > > > > The color, however suitable, should not be used as an excuse for using an > > incorrect fabric. The slubs in dupioni result from using threads from two > > different types of silkworms and I forget now the specifics. Apparently however > > before this the two types were NEVER mixed, and please remember that slubs > > were NOT a desired characteristic of fabric before the last quarter of the > > 19th century. Our ancestors would have seen it as flawed, cheap fabric. I > > learned this in an excellent textiles class taught by Sally Queen > > (www.sallyqueenassociates.com) > > > > Thanks for your patience with my little rant. For more information on > > suitable fabrics for 19th century gowns, please see Lynn Z. Bassett's excellent > > book, "Textiles for Clothing of the Early Republic, 1800 - 1850." For this and > > more fabric history titles, go here: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KJQ0h027319 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KGOdD025363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KGMgN029176; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13401.mail.yahoo.com (web13401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h78KGJgN029107 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030808201618.10144.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:16:18 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <024401c35d48$303d0640$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT: "doubles", was Costume College pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I started watching "Ground Force" on BBC America because my sister told me that Charlie Dimmock, the female host/gardener, was almost my double. Pretty true -- from the rear at least! Our faces are a bit different, but not too much so -- we could certainly be sisters or cousins. OCC: she's famous in Britain for going on camera wearing jeans, tshirt -- and no bra. I applied to have a garden makeover when the show came to America for this season's filming... but didn't win. I did tell them we were nearly doubles. Maybe if I'd promised to go braless too, if I won...? -- Mara > If so, I'm sorry, I don't know her name! We just kept calling her > "the > Kirsten Dunst" girl because she looked like her -- although as she > pointed > out, Kirsten looks like HER. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:22:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KM30h027326 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KJBdD025630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KJBgN001855; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KJ7gN001763 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h78KMXjp030442 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:22:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3F34058D.2040808@misc.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:18:21 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern References: <7BEC5B4C-C9BB-11D7-B8EB-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, shucks, the waist line needs to be a little higher but that doesn't look half bad for the period!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, Theresa Eacker Heather Meadows wrote: > > > I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:24:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KON0h027440 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KLNdD025888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KLLgN003798; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KLHgN003731 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net15sp26.directcon.net [209.79.209.26] (may be forged)) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h78KMVv20613; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:22:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030808131953.00cb9700@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:19:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume , From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: References: <200308071655.h77Gtj89029389@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Anyone in Toronto? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If anyone on the list is in the Toronto area, could you email me privately at margo@margospatterns.com? I have an idea I'd like to discuss. Margo "One Tough Costumer" www.margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:35:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KZu0h027832 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KWudD027213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KWsgN014459; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KWngN014294 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.65.16cff6bb (3988) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:32:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <65.16cff6bb.2c6562e4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:32:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Belly Dance Stuff (Probably Off Topic) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All! A friend of mine and I are thinking of starting Belly Dance again, and we were hoping someone out there would have some info for us. Skirt: The skirts seem really easy, therefore the pattern seems trivial. That said, we did a little research and found http://www.costumegoddess.com/tierskirt.htm which gives a basis instructions to get the 10 yd skirt. Does anyone have a shorter, easier formula? Yarn for Belts Does anyone have a source for the heavy wool yarn for the tassels on a camel belt. Yes, I know it's not period but I like the tassels anyway. :) Please contact me offline with the info, so we don't waste bandwidth. Thanks! Kit If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - Kenneth Cole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:42:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Kgq0h027844 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KdqdD028141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KdmgN021147; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h78KdhgN020954 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWh9NiMjBI+dPFzBrQR2fuTBJ6UImDK/MzQ==">; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:38:42 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H64BKZHA; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:38:42 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:31:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine] Message-ID: <20030808.163107.-440247.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,8-10 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I finally got my magazine today. Darned new post lady folded in half (totally unnecessary as I have a large rural type mailbox). It is a beautiful magazine and the pictures must have cost a fortune. My only complaint (and it really is just a comment, not a complaint) is that there seems to be more costume content than actual vintage fashion. I realize that there is a limited number of actual vintage garb available, but I would rather see more real clothing and less theatrical costumes. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:44:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Kie0h027850 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KfpdD028399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KfngN023155; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h78KfjgN022997 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWh9NiMjBI+dP0kK8cCIrYC4wD9xemlt6GA==">; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:40:46 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H64BPSLK; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:40:46 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belly Dance Stuff (Probably Off Topic) Message-ID: <20030808.163301.-440247.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Off hand, I would say that this is probably more on topic than an unending list of resumes. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:47:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KlD0h027857 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:47:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KiKdD028722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KiIgN025637; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KiFgN025569 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-203-252-74-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([216.203.252.74] helo=laptop) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lE5u-0000L5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:44:14 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [[h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine] Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c35ded$ed3658a0$6701a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20030808.163107.-440247.0.catpurson@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hear what you are saying...but gosh I really like to see the reproduction stuff....especially for the era's where there isn't that much extant stuff.....later stuff, I agree whole-heartedly! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of catpurson@juno.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Vintage Fashion Magazine] I finally got my magazine today. Darned new post lady folded in half (totally unnecessary as I have a large rural type mailbox). It is a beautiful magazine and the pictures must have cost a fortune. My only complaint (and it really is just a comment, not a complaint) is that there seems to be more costume content than actual vintage fashion. I realize that there is a limited number of actual vintage garb available, but I would rather see more real clothing and less theatrical costumes. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 16:59:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Kxb0h027892 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:59:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KucdD000255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KuTWw008161; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78KuHWw007800 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.47]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lEHY-0006rS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.59] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Fri Aug 08 16:56:16 EDT 2003 Message-ID: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Subject: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) Anyone else? ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 17:38:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LcH0h028025 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:38:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LYYdD004482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LYUWw015503; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LYRWw015382 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.116.157.90] (HELO charter.net) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 116855011 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3F341727.316B0363@charter.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:33:27 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] The Outsider X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, all! I feel very strange being the only non-costumer in the place, but I'm glad to be here just the same. I do share an acute interest in historical dress, especially Scottish and Celtic in general. I am assembling a wardrobe as we speak (or trying, at least). I am very much involved in my own heritage and attend all the Celtic events and the big ren-faires in town. I like historical clothing to be as accurate as possible, so I suppose me joining this group is sort of like going to a therapists' convention to find a therapist. :o) I look forward to all your wonderful input. Slainte! Joe p.s. Anyone know of a good middle ages clothier in Texas, perhaps near Fort Worth or Dallas? --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 17:38:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LcL0h028028 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:38:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LZGdD004605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LZEWw016204; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LYqWw015817 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19lEst-000ENI-0W; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:34:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:33:45 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed References: <000001c35bd3$7f2ae310$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <000001c35bd3$7f2ae310$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saragrace, The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves ("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a tighter version of the same thing. I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can work the technology. Jean Saragrace T. Knauf wrote >Okay I appologize for the cross post but I could really used some >constructive criticism. I have posted two web pages which I have been using >to convey information to my Flemish class. These pages are really just >discussion notes so they are not finished products. The images have been >loaded to preserve space, but the pages will still be slow to load. > >The link below is where I could really use some constructive criticism and >suggestions. >http://www.saragrace.net/6B_FlemishClass_MUs.html >Unfortunatly I can't get one of the pictures to load which would 'justify' a >horizontal seam in the front. I will continue to work on that. > >I have done several mockups for the Breughel style outer gown and would like >your thoughts on what else could be done to make them look more like the >artwork. I know that people will have different views on what is 'really' >there in the artwork and philosophies about how to use artwork, feel free to >tell me what you interpret differently and what you can see that I don't >with respect to the construction of the gown. Any suggestions on how I can >get the upper arm to look more like the pictures (or anything else) would be >appreciated. > > >This link is just for if you want to see more artwork and some class >discussion. > >http://www.saragrace.net/6A_FlemishClass.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 17:59:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Lxw0h028090 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Lv2dD006795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Lv1mY005252; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78LuvmY005213 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 64-48-202-47-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([64.48.202.47] helo=laptop) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lFEG-0006uR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:56:57 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Degrees and getting into costuming Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:57:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c35df8$15602180$6701a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030807004905.01c3a9e8@radiks.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! What a team! I am jealous!! I have gotten my hubby to fit me... He is really good at it for someone who knows nothing about it. Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:00 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Degrees and getting into costuming Well, I'll try to get both ideas into one post. I have a BS in Chemistry also (Hi, Amanda!). My DH has a BS in Mechanical Engineering, plus a whole bunch of courses in computer science. I'm a computer programmer, he works for a retail store (for the past several years as stockroom manager, has also done most other jobs there). Go figure. I hate sewing too, but have to do it to be able to wear the stuff I want. He likes to sew and does all his costumes. We actually have a pretty good division of labor - he does the patterns (big surprise, with the eng. degree, also I can't draw a straight line with a ruler), we both cut and do machine work, he does all the hand work (I hate it and he's MUCH faster at it than I am), but I pick the colors and do the fine tuning on fitting. He's the one with the fancy embroidery machine, so we can turn out all kinds of neato stuff. We do mostly fantasy and science fiction stuff, and go to conventions and all that. We have plans to do several historical projects, but there always seems to be a more important F/SF project that needs to be done first. However, as there is really nothing new under the sun, many of our fantasy designs have historical bases or elements. That's why we're on this list, have gotten so much great info here that's helped with a particular problem at one time or another. Pierre and Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 19:14:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NE80h028236 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:14:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NB6dD014660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NB4vT004581; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NB1vU004520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2])ESMTP id h78NAtgG016707 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:10:56 -0700 Received: from [128.95.177.85] (gawne.urol.washington.edu [128.95.177.85]) ESMTP id h78NAtVv009831 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern From: Agnes Gawne To: H-costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F34058D.2040808@misc.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That must have been for the Canadian Centennial celebration... I have two booklets of information made for docents in Ontario at the time of the celebration - tells them how to modify things to get the 19th C look. They are pretty funny, my aunt saved them for me when a friend of hers decided to clear out all her old pattern stuff. The best thing in them is a set of directions for doing cartridge pleats - the clearest directions I have ever seen. Agnes on 8/8/03 13:18, Theresa Eacker at theresa@misc.com wrote: > Well, shucks, the waist line needs to be a little higher but that > doesn't look half bad for the period!!!! > > Thanks for the chuckle, > > Theresa Eacker > > Heather Meadows wrote: >> >> >> I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 19:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Npv0h028328 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78Nn1dD017755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NmuvT001497; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h78NmqvT001451 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-203-252-235-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([216.203.252.235] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lGyZ-0001Hd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:48:51 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c35e07$b5d7b2e0$6701a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM To: Historical Costume Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Saragrace, The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves ("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a tighter version of the same thing. I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can work the technology. Jean Saragrace T. Knauf wrote >Okay I appologize for the cross post but I could really used some >constructive criticism. I have posted two web pages which I have been >using to convey information to my Flemish class. These pages are really >just discussion notes so they are not finished products. The images >have been loaded to preserve space, but the pages will still be slow to >load. > >The link below is where I could really use some constructive criticism >and suggestions. http://www.saragrace.net/6B_FlemishClass_MUs.html >Unfortunatly I can't get one of the pictures to load which would 'justify' a >horizontal seam in the front. I will continue to work on that. > >I have done several mockups for the Breughel style outer gown and would >like your thoughts on what else could be done to make them look more >like the artwork. I know that people will have different views on what >is 'really' there in the artwork and philosophies about how to use >artwork, feel free to tell me what you interpret differently and what >you can see that I don't with respect to the construction of the gown. >Any suggestions on how I can get the upper arm to look more like the >pictures (or anything else) would be appreciated. > > >This link is just for if you want to see more artwork and some class >discussion. > >http://www.saragrace.net/6A_FlemishClass.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 20:09:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7909n0h028366 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:09:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7906sdD019252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7906rLq013146; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7906pLq013064 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m58.in-tch.com [216.166.191.58]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h78NlBI16098 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F343B8C.B721A4E0@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:08:44 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, sorta....Queen Victoria, god help me. Took a stage makeup class many years ago, and when I "aged" my self, I looked remarkably like Her Maj., jowls and all. --sue Chris Laning wrote: > > Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > > I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) > > Anyone else? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 20:47:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790ls0h028443 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:47:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790ifdD022943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790hILq008663; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790hELq008581 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003080900430801600gt524e>; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:43:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3443A2.8000302@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:43:14 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] belt hardware question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone know where I can get good quality repro belt hardware (mid-late 16th century) as seen in this portrait of the tailor? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/m/moroni/taylor.jpg thanks liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 20:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790nn0h028446 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:49:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790kudD023148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790jZLq009917; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790iwLr009567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h790jRbh023479 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h790jQAL023477 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:45:26 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:45:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308082045.26295.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h790iwLr009567 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2003 07:59 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > > I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. > Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead > ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've > seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) ]> > Anyone else? Another third-party one. I had an English teacher in high school who was a dead ringer for Charles I of England as he's depicted in the famous Van Dyke portrait--he even had the right kind of beard. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 20:51:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790pj0h028449 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790mpdD023315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h790lVLq010898; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h790lSLq010870 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-121-114-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.121.114.171 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Message-ID: <015201c35e0f$ce79e040$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <3F343B8C.B721A4E0@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:46:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather Meadows (on this list) is a dead ringer (imo) for many of Queen Victoria's daughters, especially Princess Alice -- who she played at the SF Dickens Fair a few year ago! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:21:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791L50h028487 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791I3dD025475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791FLB1026853; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791FHB1026814 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h791FF2b025603 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:15:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808202128.00a25e60@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:22:33 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:32 PM 8/7/03 -0700, you wrote: >Bachelor of Arts (!) in Biology >Master's in Botany >Certificate in Graphic Design Chris, What a great combination! Flora and fauna and pretty stuff all together! Sheryl N-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791kp0h028548 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791hxdD027147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791fIB1010474; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791fDB1010443 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p19-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.83] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19lIjG-0006Pj-00; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:41:10 +1200 Message-ID: <004301c35e17$4dc54ae0$53ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c35bd3$7f2ae310$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:41:06 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had > been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on > drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves > ("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with > deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across > the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual > garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a > single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a > tighter version of the same thing. Mary Housten Who wrote the book republished by Dover as Medieval Costume of the 14th and 15thC has a diagram that shows an arch shaped arm hole that a tapered tube shaped sleeve fits into... I do have it scanned so I'll upload it right now... she even *gasp* gives a reference for the image she includes a line drawing of. Ok.. it has disappeared.. a number of images have gone walkabouts actually.. I'm going to have to do a concerted image hunt... or they may have got lost in a move from folder to folder. Basically the under arm seam was left open by a small amount at the sleeve head end and they opened up into the bottom of the arch. I'll get another copy of this up soon, it's really interesting and looks very much like the seams you get on several Brugel women. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 21:57:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791vl0h028574 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:57:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791spdD027817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791q9B1016750; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791q3B1016652 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p19-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.83] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19lItl-0000sy-00; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:52:02 +1200 Message-ID: <004d01c35e18$d3c7d260$53ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:52:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? Oh yes, Dame Maggie Teyte. I saw some photos of her in a book and had a double take. Very very scarey really. Oh even more scarey she died the year I was born. Of course this is from some little images so I have no idea how much we would like like each other in real life;) And the images online don't really show it either;) When I scan the images I have they change somewhat, as do photos of myself. Different res, etc... it's annoying really. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 22:05:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792530h028593 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7922BdD028293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791xUJo020123; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h791x8Jp019969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h791x83F001658 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:59:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h791x8m5001656 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:59:08 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:59:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808084624.07948898@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308082159.07680.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h791x8Jp019969 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2003 08:53 am, Brenda Bell wrote: > Cozit / Liz writes: > >... some of you out there have heard of the term "freaking the > > mundanes"... > > I've usually heard it contracted to "freaking the 'danes" -- to which > someone not in the know might think we were trying to give Bjarne and Leif > fits! I think this misunderstanding may have been used as a source of humor > in the SF novel "Fallen Angels" (it's been a while since I read it)... I've never heard that contraction used by the fen I know, and it probably would have mystified me if I had. :-) [snip] > Cathy Raymond writes: > >I've known several fen who wear business suits to cons--on purpose, > >because it > >felt right to them, or because they had been somewhere they needed to wear > > a suit to and hadn't felt like changing clothes. > > Most of the people who wear suits to cons, and who haven't just come from > work/are headed directly to work, are people who either (1) want to imitate > Men In Black, or the bad-police-type-guys in The Matrix, or something like > that or (2) want to imitate hotel security or (3) want people to think > they're hotel security so that they can boss people around. This may be true in fandom as a whole. I have never been to an SF convention in Europe that wasn't a WorldCon, and most of the SF conventions I go to in the US are East Coast ones. However, this isn't true by and large of the fen I've seen wear suits at cons. Instead, the fen I've seen who wear suits either: 1) have come straight from an office job; 2) were the hotel liaison, and were wearing a suit to boost their credibility with hotel management; 3) were older fen who just plain like wearing suits and have, over years, made their particular style of suit part of their fannish image, or; 4) like Heather, decided that they just wanted to dress up a bit. The only time I've seen fen in my area wear suits in imitation of MIB or Matrix characters were when they were playing such characters as part of a live-action role playing game that was an activity taking place at the con.... > >At cons, I usually wear either one of my historic costumes, or the sort of > >things I usually wear to our (business casual) office, namely, a sweater > > or top under a jacket, and chinos or khaki pants. > > If I go "'dane" to a con, it'll be either an appropriate t-shirt (SF/F or > computer industry show swag) and jeans/shorts or something rennie. I've > pretty much not been in the con scene for a few years, though -- time and > money constraints, and most of the cons have gotten both very expensive > (sawbuck-and-eagle you to death) and very dull. I've found that to be true myself, but I go because a number of friends with whom I don't get to spend time with otherwise still do. However, I've recently found a convention (in the Ann Arbor, MI area) that is not excessively expensive or dull. If you're interested, email me privately for details. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 22:21:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792LJ0h028614 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792IMdD029501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792FeJo028298; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792FAJp028118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h792FA3F001695 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:15:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h792F9QQ001693 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:15:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:15:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <4.3.1.2.20030808095001.053f2460@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20030808095001.053f2460@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308082215.09521.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h792FAJp028118 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 08 August 2003 12:53 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: [snip] > This happened to me once. I, uncharacteristically, wore a short skirt, > nylons, heels, and the rest of girl clothes, put my hair up, and did modern > makeup. My friends walked right past me. They notice me in jeans and > slouchy t-shirts, in f/sf costumes, or, of course, in historicals. It happened to me too, though in a slightly funnier way. I was in a live action role playing game at an SF convention in Massachusetts called "Revenge of the Mad Scientists!" which was loosely based on all those cheesy movies of the 60s about bad science and unscrupulous scientists. My character had a special power that allowed her to enhance her scientific talents if she got it on with male characters (all simulated in game without physical contact, of course!), so I decided to costume for this to the hilt. (movie style, not necessarily real 60s style). I bought a plaid miniskirt, a Wonderbra, a tight, pink, faux angora sweater, fishnet stockings, and stilletto heels. When I put on the sweater, I carefully tucked the top into the edge of the bra, lowering the neckline dramatically and baring my new-found cleavage. I put on my contact lenses, combed my hair into a kind of page boy style and put a llittle bow in my hair on each side of my face. At one point, I took a break from the game and went to a room party, where a friend who had known me for years walked right by me without recognizing me--until I said "Hi, Beth!" The double take she did when she finally did recognize me was priceless.... On the other hand, I once ran into one of my professors from college while I was at a different con, playing in a LARP based on Julius Caesar. I was wearing my contact lenses, had my hair braided and pinned up in a manner I never use in mundane clothing, and dressed in the best approximation I could manage at the time of the garb of a republican Roman matron--and despite not having seen me in more than 10 years, he recognized me instantly. Go figure.... -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 22:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792Sf0h028635 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792PqdD029866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792NBJo002067; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792N8Jo002044 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h792Noc24651 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200308090223.h792Noc24651@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? Unfortunately, I seem to be aquiring Queen Victoria's physique. My husband's grandmother told me at the wedding that I looked like a "young and pretty Victoria." Now that I'm all crippled up, I seem to be moving to the portly phase. Except for the fact that I'm a redhead, I could be her double in some of these photos. And in black and white photography, it actually comes out pretty close. I could've posed for these ones: http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/jubilee.jpg http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/vic14.jpg http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/vic42.jpg http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/vic21.jpg http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/vic30.jpg Sigh. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 22:39:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792dC0h028648 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:39:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792a2dD000600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792XLJo007307; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792XIJo007286 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h792XF2b022102 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:33:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:30:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <006e01c35d75$d47e2720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, I realize it was an honest mistake - (you should see my spelling and grammar after I have been reading 16th century wills for too long...) But I couldn't resist. I was feeling whimsical. : ) Frankly, I'm amazed that you can do so much, so well! Cheers, Danielle At 02:25 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Danielle (the educated in many ways), > >I am one of those left and right brained people... I am also ambridexious >(sp). > >I have a business side and a very creative side. But can't do both in the >same day. I can either work on the bookkeeping, html coding, and research >OR work on creative side with drawing, painting, etc. I can also get burned >out on one (tech or creative) and have to switch to the other for a day or >so. > >I can't do creative and tech writing in the same week... blows my thinking >process. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 22:42:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792gK0h028653 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792dVdD000823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792aoJo009093; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h792alJo009075 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h792aj2b023410 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030808213615.03264d10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:39:02 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never found one for myself but a friend of mine (if you shaved/plucked the front of her head) is the spitting imaged of Rogier van der Weydan's Portrait of a Lady from 1464: http://www.kfki.hu/%7Earthp/art/w/weyden/rogier/16portra/10woman.jpg I will have to find a picture of her in Burgundian, online... Cheers, Danielle At 04:59 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > >I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. >Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead >ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've >seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) > >Anyone else? >____________________________________________________________ >0 Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California >____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 23:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793C10h028696 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79398dD003007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7936QTa023746; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7936OTa023731 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-229-125.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (HELO elizabethanlady.com) (lithiate@sbcglobal.net@67.122.229.125 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 03:06:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:05:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Sarah To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308090223.h792Noc24651@gw.retro.com> Message-Id: <578BE97E-CA16-11D7-89CA-0003934DD4B0@elizabethanlady.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? I don't have a strict "double", so to speak, but I and the entire maternal side of my family could have blended right in with almost all of Holbein's female sitters. We're all petite brunettes. The "super models" of 16th century England. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 8 23:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793rK0h028780 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793oSdD005683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793lkTa015441; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793lgTa015316 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5C63693A for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19lKhf-0007z2-00 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:47:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:47:38 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle wrote: > I realize it was an honest mistake - (you should see my spelling and > grammar after I have been reading 16th century wills for too long...) But > I couldn't resist. I was feeling whimsical. : ) Frankly, I'm amazed that > you can do so much, so well! Oh, don't get me started on what 16th century texts do to your spelling! For me it's mostly cookbooks, and I can't spell "vinegar" or "cinnamon" without stopping to think really carefully. Tell me, Danielle, where do you get your wills and inventories? I've found a number of books which have collections of W&I, usually from a certain district and put together by local history groups. Some inventories of more famous people are published alone, perhaps with other household accounts and/or commentary (I have such books for the Hardwick Hall inventories of 1601, and Robert Dudley's household accounts, not to mention the royal wardrobe inventories). Is this what you use, too, or are you going back to the sources themselves? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 00:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794OY0h028825 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794LddD008258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794J8jj002834; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794J4jj002811 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 64-48-202-213-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([64.48.202.213] helo=laptop) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lLC3-0001yp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:19:03 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:19:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c35e2d$76919ee0$d5ca3040@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <004301c35e17$4dc54ae0$53ccadcb@michaela> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh ah, I might have that book...I will check..but please do send the image if you are able to!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had > been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on > drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves > ("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with > deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line > across the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an > actual garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut > as a single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to > doing a tighter version of the same thing. Mary Housten Who wrote the book republished by Dover as Medieval Costume of the 14th and 15thC has a diagram that shows an arch shaped arm hole that a tapered tube shaped sleeve fits into... I do have it scanned so I'll upload it right now... she even *gasp* gives a reference for the image she includes a line drawing of. Ok.. it has disappeared.. a number of images have gone walkabouts actually.. I'm going to have to do a concerted image hunt... or they may have got lost in a move from folder to folder. Basically the under arm seam was left open by a small amount at the sleeve head end and they opened up into the bottom of the arch. I'll get another copy of this up soon, it's really interesting and looks very much like the seams you get on several Brugel women. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 00:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794bs0h028871 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:37:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794Z4dD009094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794Wjjj009381; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794Wgjj009309 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.136.196] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 179141376 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:32:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3F347914.3030604@accessus.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:31:16 -0500 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: >Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > >I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) > >Anyone else? > Not anymore, although I'm willing to be corrected if one of my friends finds an image that works. When I was younger, I looked like Anna Meyer in Holbein's Darmstadt Madonna, except I'm blonde: http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein13.html Same (lack of) figure, same profile. Now I've got a figure more like Mary Todd Lincoln, but the face doesn't match (although Genie - I see a resemblance to you; her face is a little rounder, but it's close). Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 00:40:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794eo0h028875 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794brdD009340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794ZCjj010723; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h794Wgjj009348 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h794WZ2d004751 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030808233601.028736b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:37:50 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <3F30101E.BD1C405D@charter.net> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:47 PM 8/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Danielle wrote: > > I realize it was an honest mistake - (you should see my spelling and > > grammar after I have been reading 16th century wills for too long...) But > > I couldn't resist. I was feeling whimsical. : ) Frankly, I'm amazed > that > > you can do so much, so well! > >Oh, don't get me started on what 16th century texts do to your spelling! >For me it's mostly cookbooks, and I can't spell "vinegar" or "cinnamon" >without stopping to think really carefully. LOL! I couldn't spell those before I started reading non-standardized spelling... >Tell me, Danielle, where do you get your wills and inventories? I've >found a number of books which have collections of W&I, usually from a >certain district and put together by local history groups. Some >inventories of more famous people are published alone, perhaps with >other household accounts and/or commentary (I have such books for the >Hardwick Hall inventories of 1601, and Robert Dudley's household >accounts, not to mention the royal wardrobe inventories). Is this what >you use, too, or are you going back to the sources themselves? > >K. To date I have been working with the published collections but for my PhD I'm going to play with the original documents and probably give myself permanent eye-strain reading handwriting that is worse than mine (if that is possible...). : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 01:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h795wY0h028960 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:58:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h795qgdD015123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h795o0TF019070; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h795nvTF019003 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [151.199.156.171] by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030809054951.SHGW27671.pop017.verizon.net@[151.199.156.171]> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:49:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:47:09 -0400 From: Ron Carnegie To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] belt hardware question In-Reply-To: <3F3443A2.8000302@fenris.net> References: <3F3443A2.8000302@fenris.net> Message-Id: <20030809014435.B39F.R.CARNEGIE@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.11 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [151.199.156.171] at Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:49:51 -0500 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lizyoung> Anyone know where I can get good quality repro belt hardware (mid-late lizyoung> 16th century) as seen in this portrait of the tailor? This is very much like the set originally created by Tim Finkas. They are now available through Historic Enterprises. They do have a webpage, though I do not know the URL off hand. Use your favorite search engine. They are also probably not filling orders currently as they are at Pennsic. Cheers, -- Ron Carnegie ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 02:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796FR0h002287 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:15:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796CSdD016554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7969k7E028882; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7969h7E028820 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jessica.webwarren.com (bgp381063bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.17.255]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by webwarren.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7969aXJ007713; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:09:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030809015310.076b5250@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: arachne@pop.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 02:09:15 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com, m@webwarren.com From: Brenda Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg writes: >I've never found one for myself but a friend of mine (if you >shaved/plucked the front of her head) is the spitting imaged of Rogier van >der Weydan's Portrait of a Lady from 1464: >http://www.kfki.hu/%7Earthp/art/w/weyden/rogier/16portra/10woman.jpg Dang, van der Weyden faces must be popular! I have a friend who, about 10 years ago, looked exactly like this one: http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/w/weyden/rogier/16portra/05lady.jpg Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 02:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796fq0h012785 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:41:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796csdD017990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796cr7E011594; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h796cp7E011579 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (ppp-67-117-4-139.dialup.irvnca.pacbell.net [67.117.4.139]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h796cleE023828 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030808233210.025b1d08@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:36:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030809015310.076b5250@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:09 AM 8/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg writes: > >>I've never found one for myself but a friend of mine (if you >>shaved/plucked the front of her head) is the spitting imaged of Rogier >>van der Weydan's Portrait of a Lady from 1464: >>http://www.kfki.hu/%7Earthp/art/w/weyden/rogier/16portra/10woman.jpg I also seem to be just me. OTOH, my husband is a doppelganger (I think that's the proper term) of Czar Nicholas III; it's really a little eerie when he wears late Victorian or Edwardian dress. We also have a friend that is a doppelganger of George V. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 04:42:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h798gc0h029988 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h798didD025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h798dhQX008041; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h798dfQX008027 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-127-113.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.127.113]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h798ddeF000699 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030809012046.00e4ea70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:23:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fandom, and costumes In-Reply-To: <200308082215.09521.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20030808095001.053f2460@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20030808095001.053f2460@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >On the other hand, I once ran into one of my professors from college while I >was at a different con, playing in a LARP based on Julius Caesar. I was >wearing my contact lenses, had my hair braided and pinned up in a manner I >never use in mundane clothing, and dressed in the best approximation I could >manage at the time of the garb of a republican Roman matron--and despite not >having seen me in more than 10 years, he recognized me instantly. > >Go figure.... And I was at MedievalCon II, having not thought I was going, and I showed up as a dragon. I got mistaken for the Questing Beast, got chased down a hall, and appeared in a room doorway - and got recognized (I was wearing a full dragon head at the time) by someone who otherwise knew me. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 10:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79EWn0h001781 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:32:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79ETkdD016088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79ETge0016850; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:29:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79ETde0016833 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.226.52.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.226.52] helo=Dan) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lUiw-0005nB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c35e82$f3920ba0$34e24bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7BEC5B4C-C9BB-11D7-B8EB-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:31:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of mine made this up in the last year or two. I think there may be a picture on the SLCG website. Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1967/1867 pattern > > > I just had to share this one -- an 1867 pattern from 1967! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3236700766&category=4161 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 11:18:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FI90h001944 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FFBdD018986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FFATf007703; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FF6Tf007661 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.226.123.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.226.123] helo=Dan) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lVQw-0007Xj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00aa01c35e89$4d838020$34e24bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <3F347914.3030604@accessus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:17:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Eeeek! me, look like Mary Todd Lincoln. Now that's scary. Was her ancestry German? I'll have to bring a family history of my dad's side with photo's to one of the meetings sometime. The older pic's of family groups are interesting. Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Heim" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") > > > Chris Laning wrote: > > >Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > > > >I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) > > > >Anyone else? > > > Not anymore, although I'm willing to be corrected if one of my friends > finds an image that works. > > When I was younger, I looked like Anna Meyer in Holbein's Darmstadt > Madonna, except I'm blonde: > > http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein13.html > > Same (lack of) figure, same profile. > > Now I've got a figure more like Mary Todd Lincoln, but the face doesn't > match (although Genie - I see a resemblance to you; her face is a little > rounder, but it's close). > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 11:21:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FLe0h001958 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FIfdD019168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FIeTf009339; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79FINTf009216 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.226.123.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.226.123] helo=Dan) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lVU6-00037j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:18:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00b701c35e89$c2a612a0$34e24bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] OT:doubles/Charlie D X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h79FLe0h001958 Status: RO I love Ground Force, Charlie is a cutie, and she doesn't really need a bra. G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 12:21:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79GLs0h002212 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79GIwdD023540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79GIuO7009873; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h79GIsO7009803 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003080916184901400kc7dfe>; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3F351EEA.9090706@fenris.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:18:50 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] belt hardware question References: <3F3443A2.8000302@fenris.net> <20030809014435.B39F.R.CARNEGIE@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <20030809014435.B39F.R.CARNEGIE@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ron Carnegie wrote: >lizyoung> Anyone know where I can get good quality repro belt hardware (mid-late >lizyoung> 16th century) as seen in this portrait of the tailor? > > > This is very much like the set originally created by Tim Finkas. >They are now available through Historic Enterprises. > > Thank you Nicole and Ron, Historic Enterprises does indeed have the whole set, as well as selling individual pieces. However, as you mentioned, they are at Pennsic right now, so I'll have to be patient and wait. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 9 20:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7A0SX0h003167 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7A0PPdD028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7A0PMs4020891; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7A0PJs4020838 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7A0PIrP024987 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.196.224] (tnt-1-32.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.224]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7A0PDoH024963 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <79CA42B4-C758-11D7-9590-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> <008401c35b67$edff8190$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <005301c35b9c$1678ff00$61df8b90@clarke> <5.0.0.25.2.20030807223923.02d2e070@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030808212822.032634c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:49:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:47 PM -0400 8/8/03, Kirrily Robert wrote: >Danielle wrote: >> I realize it was an honest mistake - (you should see my spelling and >> grammar after I have been reading 16th century wills for too long...) But >> I couldn't resist. I was feeling whimsical. : ) Frankly, I'm amazed that >> you can do so much, so well! > >Oh, don't get me started on what 16th century texts do to your spelling! >For me it's mostly cookbooks, and I can't spell "vinegar" or "cinnamon" >without stopping to think really carefully. I've discovered some very amusing typos while editing my dissertation. The Medieval Welsh tends to infect and slop over into my English spelling on occasion, so that I find I've type Welsh homophones (or near-homophones) for English words. The ones I remember are typing "holl" for "whole", and "yn" for "in" (which also happen to be cognates). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 07:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ABAM0h016446 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AB6kdD013183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AB6fub024916; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AB6bub024858 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.96.201.18]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030810110631.EFRJ23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:06:31 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: , , , , Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c35ff4$e8200f60$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] The latest look for ancient Vikings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now this is a fashion show that even I would do! http://www.msnbc.com/news/950386.asp?0cv=CB20 ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 11:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AFhL0h017126 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AFeDdD029703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AFe918027200; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AFe618027187 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-203-251-32-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([216.203.251.32] helo=laptop) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lsIf-0004KD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:40:06 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:40:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c35f55$c4971380$6701a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c35cf8$912bd6c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops, sorry I almost missed your post Bjarne. To get the body back you can use liquid starch. In the US one product is called Sta-Flo. But all it is is corn starch and borax, 'ironing aids', processing aids, perfume and I think a little bluing-it is light blue in color. If you can't find it or heavy spray starch, you can make your own. I know several people on this list have made their own starch. Let me know how it works out! Next time you might want to put my name in the subject line to make sure I don't miss it! (Or send it directly to me). Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 14:30:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIUA0h017478 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIR5dD010567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIQxd3019909; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIQtd3019861 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.94]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E7165EE2B5 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c35f6d$2dc4c4d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c35f55$c4971380$6701a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:28:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace, Yes it was a flopper, i should have done as you said. But thanks for your help, ill do this one of the next days. I'll make a copy of the fashion print and post on my side so that you could have a look of this charming dress. Thanks Saragrace! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni > Whoops, sorry I almost missed your post Bjarne. > To get the body back you can use liquid starch. In the US one product > is called Sta-Flo. But all it is is corn starch and borax, 'ironing > aids', processing aids, perfume and I think a little bluing-it is light > blue in color. If you can't find it or heavy spray starch, you can make > your own. I know several people on this list have made their own > starch. > Let me know how it works out! > > Next time you might want to put my name in the subject line to make > sure I don't miss it! (Or send it directly to me). > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 14:39:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIdU0h017485 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIagdD011121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIafd3024826; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIacd3024793 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.94]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91B4F5EE2A2 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c35f6e$8a76f940$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:38:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] lenght of skirts /dresses in 1780ies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Have some of you found out of an interresting thing. Studying the french fashion prints i have photographed made me stumble apun a thing i never noticed before. Those french prints shows all the ladies foots. You can see the whole shoe and a little of the ankle. I have a german fashion book from the same period and here all the foot is hided of the skirt. So was french fashion more daring than english/german fashions? Or did the fashion spread out to all Europe. I think i recal a robe anglaise at the V&A wich has an underskirt wich also shows the whole foot? And many of the Kyoto costumes shows the same, but perhaps they are of french origin? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 14:39:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIdm0h017488 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIatdD011141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIasd3024947; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7AIaqd3024920 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-11-156.smf.jps.net ([216.119.11.156] helo=pavilion) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lv3j-0001Vq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:36:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c35f6e$7fe289e0$9c0b77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:37:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7AIdm0h017488 Status: RO Well, my site has been online and in pre-view mode for a few weeks now but I haven't mentioned it as there are still things I'd like to add before I consider website release 1.0 complete. For anyone who wants to have a peek the address is www.ThrednedleStrete.com and when it's been tweaked a bit more and filled in I'll put another announcement out. You will find now a downloadable copy of Stubbes - Anatomy of Abuses and quite a few proclamations relating to the English clothing industry plus some period buttons and tools. I'm also working on getting some software set up to support "shareware" patterns, with downloads, photos and a "review this pattern" mechanism for anyone who might want to participate. It's going to be a fun rather than money making enterprise but set up like a professional web store. Patterns will be via pdf printouts. I'll be charging for the bandwidth to support this, but patterns can be shared with anyone you like. The designer who contributed the pattern will have an option of requesting payment if the user finds it useful. Don't know if any one ever receives money from shareware stuff, but I'll provide some more details later as I work out a few procedures. Cheers, Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 10 17:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ALlX0h017825 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:47:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ALgrdD025467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ALgpL9000872; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ALgmL9000835 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19lxSa-000OIi-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:10:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:07:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed References: <000301c35e07$b5d7b2e0$6701a8c0@laptop> In-Reply-To: <000301c35e07$b5d7b2e0$6701a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I think I've done it. Try http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Squarearmhole.doc Hope it helps, Jean Saragrace knauf wrote >Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! > >Sg > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Jean Waddie >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM >To: Historical Costume >Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > > >Saragrace, > >The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had >been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on >drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves >("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with >deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across >the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual >garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a >single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a >tighter version of the same thing. > >I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can >work the technology. > >Jean > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0YU0h026384 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:34:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0X9dD023002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0X00j004938; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ANSIZ3009488 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 64-48-203-29-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([64.48.203.29] helo=laptop) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lzbk-0004eX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:28:17 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35f97$2bbb4720$1dcb3040@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes that helps me a lot! I have to admit I am pretty proud of myself because I was pretty close... I had not put the squared off part as part of the sleeve and had not curved the sleeve arm seam (but I was thinking that would help get the sleeve smaller up by the arm pit....) I am still going to work hard at refining it, but I don't think folks in the class are as interested in the refinements as I am.... Your pictures also gave me another idea...when asking questions (or for help) about construction it would help for me to put pictures of my pattern pieces up before they are put together...it really helps to see the pattern pieces. Thank you sOOOOOOO much. That was an interesting way to put a link in a letter or page..why did you do it like that? Is there a reason you don't just paste the link in the email? (I am learning about webpages etc as well, hence my questions) Also, did you realize your resolution was so high? That second jpg was 8 meg! My broadband is down today...I was using my poor little dial up! WOWZA! Thank you so much again... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:35:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0Z50h026389 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0YfdD023103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0Ye0j005895; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ANUTZ3010800 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 64-48-203-29-phx-01.cvx.algx.net ([64.48.203.29] helo=laptop) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19lzds-0007U3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:30:29 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c35f97$7a02a540$1dcb3040@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c35f6d$2dc4c4d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please do post your picture, but also I missed what you did which was a flop!! What did you do, just wash it? I am rooting for your fabric...don't know why...maybe because I have been so happy with my dye jobs over horrible colors!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni Hi Saragrace, Yes it was a flopper, i should have done as you said. But thanks for your help, ill do this one of the next days. I'll make a copy of the fashion print and post on my side so that you could have a look of this charming dress. Thanks Saragrace! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:35:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0ZQ0h026394 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0YxdD023126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0Yx0j006096; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.donet.com (mail.donet.com [64.56.96.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ANpfZ4021120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25456 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 23:51:35 -0000 X-Sender: mjh@pearlandplume.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?65.24.120.64?) (65.24.120.64) by mail.donet.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 23:51:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:50:45 -0400 From: Marsha Hamilton To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d4.f0ba86b.2c66c9db@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend forwarded this news flash. Has anyone heard of this event? Marsha ---------- Viking Models Strut the Catwalk in Ancient Fashion Show By Christian Wienberg Associated Press Writer Published: Aug 9, 2003 LEJRE, Denmark (AP) - It wasn't quite haute couture and the models weren't exactly Givenchy. But the clothes were chic, or at least fashionable in their time - thousands of years ago. Models in hides, wool and coarse linen strutted the Viking catwalk Saturday, showing off the "latest" in prehistoric and medieval fashion at an outdoor museum near this small town, 25 miles west of the capital, Copenhagen. The designs of ancient Scandinavia were recreated from pieces of fabric excavated from archaeological sites. One model, 20-year-old Galit Peleg wore a tight woolen blouse and skirt of strings from the Bronze Age, some 3,000 years ago, probably used only on ceremonial occasions. "It's very tight-fitting and warm, and not very practical," she said. "But the skirt makes you want to dance." For more than 40 years, the cultural center near Lejre has provided tourists the possibility of experiencing the Iron Age by demonstrating how people lived thousands of years ago. The 23 models displayed clothes ranging from the Stone Age, some 6,000 years ago though the Iron Age, 2,000 years ago, to the Viking era. The latest fashion was from the Middle Ages. Ancient Scandinavian music accompanied the show, played by a three-woman band on string instruments and drums. "Most people think the ancient times were gray and dull," said organizer Anne Batzer. "In reality, folks back then did a lot of decoration on their clothes, and used bright colors like yellow, lime and red." "Back then, too, clothes were a key way to display status," said Batzer, who describes herself as an archaeological textile technologist. In the Bronze Age, women coveted a tight-fitting woolen shirt with a cinched waist. In the Iron Age, fashion changed to a more loose fit, with flowing, pleated garments. The Viking era brought back tight, sexy fits, Batzer said. Lisbet Kristensen, a 50-year-old model, said her gray, woolen Iron Age dress was comfortable and "only a little bit itchy." --- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:35:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0Zo0h026402 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:35:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0ZJdD023183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0ZJ0j006309; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from krwoodworks.com (65.18.190.ptr [65.18.190.119] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7B0kZhl020369 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325490pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.91.100]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7B0kUkk030613 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:46:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030810204341.01eae618@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:44:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") In-Reply-To: <2279907.1060376176098.JavaMail.nobody@wamui09.slb.atl.eart hlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:59 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? > >I do . . . a Victorian duchess. I also know several other people who do. >Someone I used to know from Renaissance Faire, for instance, is a dead >ringer for the 3/4 portrait of (the Elizabethan) Sir Henry Unton that I've >seen in several books. (In his case, I think it's partly the beard.) > >Anyone else? Susannah Fourment, apparently. I have Rubens' portrait of her on my wall at work, and people have asked me if I got into period costume and had my portrait painted. A duplicate of her costume IS on my round-to-it list, really! -- M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:37:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0b40h026421 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0aUdD023286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0aU0j007050; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7B1Mafa008106 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h7B1MZiY009881 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:22:36 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.46.40]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:22:34 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:22:20 -0400 Message-ID: <03a801c35fa7$039c2dd0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes! The Sew Perfect worked to stabilize my linen, and now I'm itching to start embroidering the partlet! However, I'm running into the question of where to put the blackwork. I'm using Margo's pattern that aims for the 1560s, and her instructions suggest vertical bands running alongside the neck opening. However, I was originally inspired by Holbien's miniature of Mrs. Pemberton (http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein47.html) that features embroidery on the neck band only - as featured in most of the ca. 1530s-40s portraits I've found in my books and online. I'd like to combine both, but the only good portrait example I've found is Italian rather than English/northern European, Bronzino's Lady in Green from 1530-32 (http://www.sca.org.au/bacchus_wood/images/bronzinoLIG.jpg). I did find a black and white copy of some musicians by an anonymous painter (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/1581/bwgallery/bl129.htm) but still haven't managed to find a better version. If anyone can offer any other resources that show examples of both neck band and neck opening blackwork ca. 1540s-1560s, I'd be grateful - please feel free to contact me off list. If no such thing exists, I'll need to decide whether I want to do a 1540's or 1560's-style partlet and embellish accordingly! Thanks, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:37:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bG0h026426 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:37:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0aidD023339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0ag0j007223; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7B22OTQ028645 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.168]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h7B2QKB01725 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:26:21 +1000 Message-ID: <075f01c35fad$03cf3d00$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000301c35e07$b5d7b2e0$6701a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:05:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jean, The jpgs are blank from here. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > Well, I think I've done it. Try > http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Squarearmhole.doc > > Hope it helps, > > Jean > > > Saragrace knauf wrote > >Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! > > > >Sg > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > >On Behalf Of Jean Waddie > >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > > > > > >Saragrace, > > > >The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had > >been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on > >drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves > >("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with > >deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across > >the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual > >garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a > >single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a > >tighter version of the same thing. > > > >I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can > >work the technology. > > > >Jean > > > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:37:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bw0h026431 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bPdD023515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bN0j007815; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7B8QNtt006679 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7B8QRf29253.; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:26:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:26:19 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:25:53 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Dawn wrote: >I also seem to be just me. OTOH, my husband is a doppelganger (I think >that's the proper term) of Czar Nicholas III; it's really a little eerie >when he wears late Victorian or Edwardian dress. Have you seen Prince Michael of Kent on TV? His likeness to the Czar is uncanny, but of course they are related. My late father was apparently very like King George VI when he was young. I can see it in photos, but by the time I first remember him (he was 43 when I was born) he had become fuller in the face and wore spectacles. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:38:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0c00h026434 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:38:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bXdD023556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0bW0j007961; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7B9BwaX001720 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7B9C4f01977.; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:12:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:11:56 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:11:49 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Report on Stoneleigh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw some excellent costumes at English Heritage's Stoneleigh event. There was a Queen Victoria, an Elizabethan lady and a 1780s one, and a splendid Green Man. I also saw a few late 17th century folk, although Nicole said her group were not attending? Plenty of dishy Napoleonic men and the ever-popular Romans. It was terribly hot on the Saturday (in the high 90s Fahrenheit, exceptional for Britain), and to make matters worse some awful mix-up resulted in the security staff refusing entry to participants who arrived after 8 a.m., when we hadn't been warned in advance. (Our group had set up on Friday night.) It was sorted out, but only after some people had turned round and gone home again. Then there was a spectacular thunderstorm on Sunday p.m. - we thought we might escape the rain but it came eventually. No problems with mud as the showground is criss-crossed with metalled roads, but it meant packing up wet tents. So, some good things about the new venue but some improvements in communication needed! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:47:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0lL0h026482 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:47:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0ktdD025395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0kr0j015461; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7BCbR9G009048 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from casamai (adsl-66-138-140-130.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [66.138.140.130]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with SMTP id h7BCbPoO012868 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003d01c36005$b0e66ce0$3ce3fea9@sbcglobal.net> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" To: "Historical Costume" References: <111.25ca3217.2c4b806b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Semi-OT: Winter Cloak (non-costume) Interlining/padding Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:38:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thinsulate is a very light, easily handled batting - might work very well for you. There is also a fusible batting available; it's thicker than thinsulate but nowhere near as bulky as most battings - kind of standard lightweight. I've used it for smaller quilting projects and it works quite well, certainly saves a lot of pinning. Nora >From: "Jean Waddie" > Thinsulate. I know of people who interline their period cloaks with it, > too. > >I'm thinking of some sort of fusible batting, > >maybe (that way I can fuse it down and then flatline-sew it to either > >the liningor the cashmere itself), but I have no idea. Ah..help! > >Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 20:48:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0mR0h026485 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:48:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0m0dD025563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C0m0Fu016201; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.nameserver.tv (mail.nameserver.tv [209.144.109.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7BH85mA026729 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TEENALAPTOP ([68.19.37.94]) by mail.nameserver.tv (Merak 6.0.4) with SMTP id ABG74101 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <006301c3602a$7dbdf5c0$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007a01c35c95$ebf859b0$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:03:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=0 Subject: [h-cost] hmm...? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO site down again? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 21:17:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1HA0h026580 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:17:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1GddD028597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1Gbow003953; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:16:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1GXow003918 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC8936930 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19mNlw-0003ik-00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:16:24 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question In-Reply-To: <03a801c35fa7$039c2dd0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> References: <03a801c35fa7$039c2dd0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:16:24 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Allison wrote: > I'm using Margo's pattern that aims for the 1560s, and her instructions > suggest vertical bands running alongside the neck opening. However, I was > originally inspired by Holbien's miniature of Mrs. Pemberton > (http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein47.html) that features > embroidery on the neck band only - as featured in most of the ca. 1530s-40s > portraits I've found in my books and online. I can't help answer your specific question, but you might like to look at my version of Mrs Pemberton's shirt which I completed last year: http://elizabethangeek.com/katrowberd/projects/2002-blackwork-smock/ I worked it in silk on handkerchief linen. K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@elizabethangeek.com http://elizabethangeek.com/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 21:39:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1d80h026646 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1ccdD001190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1cbow017875; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9403.mail.yahoo.com (web9403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7C1cZow017860 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030812013835.81211.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:38:35 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kirrily--the needlework is beautiful! Thanks for sharing ! Albra Kirrily Robert wrote: Allison wrote: > I'm using Margo's pattern that aims for the 1560s, and her instructions > suggest vertical bands running alongside the neck opening. However, I was > originally inspired by Holbien's miniature of Mrs. Pemberton > (http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein47.html) that features > embroidery on the neck band only - as featured in most of the ca. 1530s-40s > portraits I've found in my books and online. I can't help answer your specific question, but you might like to look at my version of Mrs Pemberton's shirt which I completed last year: http://elizabethangeek.com/katrowberd/projects/2002-blackwork-smock/ I worked it in silk on handkerchief linen. K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@elizabethangeek.com http://elizabethangeek.com/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 21:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1v00h026714 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1uBdD002639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1uACp029469; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C1u7Cp029373 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.96.201.18]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030812015603.OGXT7142.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:56:03 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c3613a$525c3d40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I posted the link to the MSNBC site on Sunday... but if the list is wonky again it may not have made it around to everyone. Anyway, when I looked at the site on Sunday, it had a photo of a woman modeling a repro of a string skirt. Today I looked again and the photo was different- this time of a line of models holding hands and walking across a lovely Danish meadow. It looked like a lot of fun, wish I could have been there. Pax- ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marsha Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show A friend forwarded this news flash. Has anyone heard of this event? Marsha ---------- Viking Models Strut the Catwalk in Ancient Fashion Show By Christian Wienberg Associated Press Writer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:02:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2280h026730 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C21WdD003037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C21VCp002543; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav85.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C21TCp002483 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:01:24 -0700 Received: from 66.123.52.96 by bay4-dav85.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:01:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.123.52.96] X-Originating-Email: [ysandra8@msn.com] From: "ysandra sliverneedle" To: References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:01:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2003 02:01:24.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[A24F9330:01C36075] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7C2280h026730 Status: RO Bjarne, Do you know if there are any patterns available to make a dress similar to the Golden Gown stated to belong to Queen Margaret of Denmark? I have a friend (AElina) who is very interested in recreating this type of gown for her formal court dress for our SCA group. Many Thanks for any information which you might have. Ysandra and AElina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:05:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C25L0h026737 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C24YdD003465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C24YCp005209; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C24UCp005169 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:02:40 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AABD43010138; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:02:40 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:02:40 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c36076$2c612fc0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can see a photo here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/950386.asp?0cv=CB20 I think this event was a one off, but the Iron Age Study Center is a great place to visit. There is a building with many textile displays, including fabric production techniques and recreated garments. The gift shop is also super, I bought a pattern for a Viking shirt (taken from a historical model) and wooden knitting needles. They have hand spun yarns, too. My kids enjoyed grinding oats and baking little cakes. You can boat on the lake a see a recreated sacrifical bog (think Bog Men). There are houses and livestock, and tours by archaeologists. Not to be missed, if you are in Denmark. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marsha Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show A friend forwarded this news flash. Has anyone heard of this event? Marsha ---------- Viking Models Strut the Catwalk in Ancient Fashion Show By Christian Wienberg Associated Press Writer Published: Aug 9, 2003 LEJRE, Denmark (AP) - It wasn't quite haute couture and the models weren't exactly Givenchy. But the clothes were chic, or at least fashionable in their time - thousands of years ago. Models in hides, wool and coarse linen strutted the Viking catwalk Saturday, showing off the "latest" in prehistoric and medieval fashion at an outdoor museum near this small town, 25 miles west of the capital, Copenhagen. The designs of ancient Scandinavia were recreated from pieces of fabric excavated from archaeological sites. One model, 20-year-old Galit Peleg wore a tight woolen blouse and skirt of strings from the Bronze Age, some 3,000 years ago, probably used only on ceremonial occasions. "It's very tight-fitting and warm, and not very practical," she said. "But the skirt makes you want to dance." For more than 40 years, the cultural center near Lejre has provided tourists the possibility of experiencing the Iron Age by demonstrating how people lived thousands of years ago. The 23 models displayed clothes ranging from the Stone Age, some 6,000 years ago though the Iron Age, 2,000 years ago, to the Viking era. The latest fashion was from the Middle Ages. Ancient Scandinavian music accompanied the show, played by a three-woman band on string instruments and drums. "Most people think the ancient times were gray and dull," said organizer Anne Batzer. "In reality, folks back then did a lot of decoration on their clothes, and used bright colors like yellow, lime and red." "Back then, too, clothes were a key way to display status," said Batzer, who describes herself as an archaeological textile technologist. In the Bronze Age, women coveted a tight-fitting woolen shirt with a cinched waist. In the Iron Age, fashion changed to a more loose fit, with flowing, pleated garments. The Viking era brought back tight, sexy fits, Batzer said. Lisbet Kristensen, a 50-year-old model, said her gray, woolen Iron Age dress was comfortable and "only a little bit itchy." --- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:11:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2BC0h026749 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2AidD003954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2AhCp008539; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marsha Hamilton wrote: > Viking Models Strut the Catwalk in Ancient Fashion Show You can see some pictures (not enough, but some...) at http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/08/09/offbeat.viking.catwalk.ap/index.html (click on the "gallery" link) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval horseman with hound and hawk T-shirt by yours truly: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2Sd0h026782 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mrs. Pemberton's smock X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 11 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:16:24 -0400 From: Kirrily Robert Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Allison wrote: > I'm using Margo's pattern that aims for the 1560s, and her instructions > suggest vertical bands running alongside the neck opening. However, I was > originally inspired by Holbien's miniature of Mrs. Pemberton > (http://www.abcgallery.com/H/holbein/holbein47.html) that features > embroidery on the neck band only - as featured in most of the ca. 1530s-40s > portraits I've found in my books and online. I can't help answer your specific question, but you might like to look at my version of Mrs Pemberton's shirt which I completed last year: http://elizabethangeek.com/katrowberd/projects/2002-blackwork-smock/ I worked it in silk on handkerchief linen. - This looks INCREDIBLE! You must have worked hard on it! I'm very impressed!! K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@elizabethangeek.com http://elizabethangeek.com/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" - Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:42:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2gc0h026821 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2e1dn006525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2U9Cp019080; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail2.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.76]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2U6Cq019038 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h7C2U5XC001330 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:30:05 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.46.40]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:30:05 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:30:02 -0400 Message-ID: <03e801c36079$a33d03a0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Some progress re: blackwork distribution X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It turns out that I have found exactly one picture from ca. 1540-50 that demonstrates the neck band/vertical band layout I have in mind. It's called "Unknown Lady" by an Unknown Flemish Master - I cannot find a picture online but for those of you who have QEWU it's in the "Pursuit of Fashion" chapter. I'm trying to find at least one other example though, to assure myself that I'm not completely out on a limb.. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 22:57:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2vu0h026885 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2vSdD007974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:57:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2vRBg005028; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C2vPBg005015 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mPLg-0003VN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:57:24 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Some progress re: blackwork distribution Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:57:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c3607d$891a8160$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03e801c36079$a33d03a0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7C2vPBg005015 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe that's figure 238 in QEWU for those of you who are looking for it. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A.Thurman Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:30 PM To: Historic Costume List (E-mail) Subject: [h-cost] Some progress re: blackwork distribution It turns out that I have found exactly one picture from ca. 1540-50 that demonstrates the neck band/vertical band layout I have in mind. It's called "Unknown Lady" by an Unknown Flemish Master - I cannot find a picture online but for those of you who have QEWU it's in the "Pursuit of Fashion" chapter. I'm trying to find at least one other example though, to assure myself that I'm not completely out on a limb.. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 23:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3DA0h026908 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3CedD009259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3CcBg013080; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3CaBg013060 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-008-223.jps.net ([216.119.8.223] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mPaN-0001Zy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c3607f$b9a02860$df0877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030812013835.81211.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:13:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes, absolutely beautiful! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHRYN WOLTERS" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution question > Kirrily--the needlework is beautiful! Thanks for sharing ! > Albra > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 11 23:39:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3dt0h026956 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3dPdD011590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3dMBg027510; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.donet.com (mail.donet.com [64.56.96.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C3dJBh027436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1638 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 03:39:13 -0000 X-Sender: mjh@pearlandplume.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?65.24.125.58?) (65.24.125.58) by mail.donet.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 03:39:13 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:38:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") From: Marsha Hamilton To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030810204341.01eae618@mail.rileyhome.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 04:59 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> Anyone else on this list have historical "double"? The portrait of Sophie Crouzet by Louis Hersent (c. 1810) in the Cleveland Art Museum fascinated me since I was a child. As a teenager, I looked like her, so much so that people commented on it when I stood in front of the painting. Now that I'm older, I thought the similarity was lost until someone recently saw a print in my home and asked if she was an ancestor. I wish I could find out what ever happened to her and if any portraits were painted of her later in life. (Costume content: she is wearing a delightfully draped white empire gown with embroidered bands on the little capped sleeves.) Marsha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 01:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5bO0h027141 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5QrdD019993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5Qqd7025188; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5Qmd7025126 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p58-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.122] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19mRgD-0000Kr-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:26:45 +1200 Message-ID: <002701c36092$51d6a8e0$7accadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:26:43 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> I'm not Bjarne but there is a pattern of it in the ageofthecotehardie list at yahoo.com: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ageofthecotehardie/files/Uta%27s%20corner/ They have actually got a new list up as something happened with the moderator and there is a whole lot of spam (porn type) but the files are still there. And you can do a search for golden gown to find out about the process of it being made of any discussions. She made the gown from wool and it works well aparently. Also I got to see a video of the reproduction being worn... wow is all I can say. It had me dreaming of cloth of gold for a while;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 02:04:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C64R0h028622 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:04:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5s1dD021719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5s0d7008600; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C5rxd7008591 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-243-218.rev.o1.com ([66.81.243.218]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mS6X-0000uB-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:53:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:42:53 -0700 To: Historic needlework list , h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Applique documentation? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Having volunteered to write an article about applique before 1600, I'm unhappily finding that I'm coming up rather short when it comes to both examples and information. I'm hoping I can pick other people's brains . I'm particularly concerned about techniques -- I know applique _was_ used as a decorative fabric technique, and I know some plausible techniques that make it lots easier -- what I can't seem to find is information about whether anything was done in period that was any more sophisticated than plunking down cutouts of one fabric on another and starting to sew. Two things that I find a considerable help in doing applique now are glue and paper. Manipulating cloth on top of cloth means that any slippage between the two can create ripples and twerks on the finished project. Pinning and basting are often only partly successful in preventing this, especially if one or both fabrics are slippery. One solution is to lightly glue the applique down before stitching -- and I'd love to know whether this is a period practice. In modern times I use light-tack spray adhesive or an ordinary gluestick for this (the latter being basically concentrated "milk glue", and both types wash out of the fabric later). I would speculate that a light coat of something like fish glue might have been used in period, but I really don't know. Another solution is to back the applique with stiff paper, which provides a firm edge and prevents the upper cloth from distorting. I know that a parchment or paper backing was used for beadwork, but I'd love to know whether it was used for simple cloth-on-cloth applique as well. Modern needleworkers have re-invented this method as "freezer-paper applique". TIA -- -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 03:45:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C7jk0h002520 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:45:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C7jKdD029513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C7jINg004163; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7C7jGNg004118 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030812074511.61857.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:45:11 BST Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:45:11 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] h-cost: Viking fashion show To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000601c3613a$525c3d40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Linda Rice wrote: > Yes, I posted the link to the MSNBC site on Sunday... but if the list is > wonky again it may not have made it around to everyone. Anyway, when I > looked at the site on Sunday, it had a photo of a woman modeling a repro > of a string skirt. Today I looked again and the photo was different- > this time of a line of models holding hands and walking across a lovely > Danish meadow. It looked like a lot of fun, wish I could have been > there. Interestingly they did the exact same fashion show over 10 years ago. Ben, my other half, was in Leyra then doing the same thing (10 days living history show) that friends of ours did this year. I saw the photos of the fashion show, and must say the girl they had in the same string skirt back then was a lot more HUBBA! HUBBA! *laughs* Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 04:28:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8S60h018726 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8RddD001788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8Rcs5024340; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7C8Ras5024296 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030812082731.80568.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:27:31 BST Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:27:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Report on Stoneleigh To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > I saw some excellent costumes at English Heritage's Stoneleigh event. > There was a Queen Victoria, an Elizabethan lady and a 1780s one, and a > splendid Green Man. I also saw a few late 17th century folk, There are some people doing some late 17th c. stuff but only the costumes, no LH. They are not bad, but... *G* of course I say wa are loads better! *laughs* just kidding, if they are who I think they are they are quite nice. although > Nicole said her group were not attending? Absolutely! I will never ever ever ever work for EH again, I even left membership and changed to National Trust, I also sent them a letter to not EVER contact us again. Me? Angry with EH? Nah...... > So, some good things about the new venue but some improvements in > communication needed! Glad you enjoyed yourself, Kate! Nicole - who admits to have been glad not to having to do any re-enactment in last weekend's heat. ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/society/events/lichfield03/saturday-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 04:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8fC0h027422 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:41:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8ekdD002926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8ejs5001151; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C8ehs5001120 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be81.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.129]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D316262AB7 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c360ad$b58bc2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com> <002701c36092$51d6a8e0$7accadcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:42:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. There is also a pattern of it in "A History of Costume" by Khler. I saw the reproduktion gown at the danish national museum and i was in awe. Not only was the gown made of gold threads, but it also had an intricate tiny, tiny pattern wowen into it. The dress in itself must have ben very stiff and difficult to wear because of the gold threads, but i guess it was made for ceremonial use.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark > < the Golden Gown stated to belong to Queen Margaret of Denmark?>> > > I'm not Bjarne but there is a pattern of it in the ageofthecotehardie list > at yahoo.com: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ageofthecotehardie/files/Uta%27s%20corner/ > They have actually got a new list up as something happened with the > moderator and there is a whole lot of spam (porn type) but the files are > still there. And you can do a search for golden gown to find out about the > process of it being made of any discussions. > > She made the gown from wool and it works well aparently. > > Also I got to see a video of the reproduction being worn... wow is all I can > say. It had me dreaming of cloth of gold for a while;) > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 05:45:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C9jd0h032084 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C9jDdD006663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C9jCir028169; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:45:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7C9j8ir028116 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p144-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.217.144] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19mViB-0000kK-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:45:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002101c360b6$68ada270$90d9adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com><002701c36092$51d6a8e0$7accadcb@michaela> <000701c360ad$b58bc2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:45:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> I have/had that in my files too.. aparently from those who have studied the dress the pattern is misleading or something.. I can't really remember why... I did forget about it though so I may have a look at it again, thanks:) > I know.. I now have plans to get to actually see it myself;) I didn't have the knowelege I do now last time I was in Europe, so didn't look for it. I do believe there are some lovely close up images of the fabric online. I think there are some at virtue.to <> This is true:) It was very stiff on the model who walked in it, and it was clearly really heavy too, being so much gold;) And of course it really did not fit to the figure at all which is something interesting. The "Greenland" gowns don't fit that closely to the body either... I wonder if it was a Scandenavian thing? Or if the illuninations etc show artists fancy rather than reality? Oh yes there are many costuming places I have plans on visiting next time I travel;) And I really really want to see all the extant garments I can of course... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 06:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CATm0h032189 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CATOdD009096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CATMbO019557; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CATDbP019440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7CAXuoP024954 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:33:56 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F38C19E.7020006@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:29:50 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com> <002701c36092$51d6a8e0$7accadcb@michaela> <000701c360ad$b58bc2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c360ad$b58bc2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Not only was the gown made of gold threads, but it also had an intricate > tiny, tiny pattern wowen into it. A couple years ago, people on this list found lots of information on the reproduction and I put it in a webpage; I don't know if it's been mentioned yet (having just rejoined), so here's the URL: http://www.virtue.to/articles/margaret.html This includes close-ups of the reconstruction fabric with the weaving pattern, but not the pattern for cutting. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent The twins are a year and a half old now, and I'm starting to have free time again! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 07:20:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CBKN0h032316 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CBHpdD011693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CBHnrD012070; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CBHirD012023 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p144-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.217.144] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19mX9q-0006xa-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:17:42 +1200 Message-ID: <001301c360c3$5902c9b0$90d9adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308120039.h7C0d10l008905@net.indra.com><002701c36092$51d6a8e0$7accadcb@michaela><000701c360ad$b58bc2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3F38C19E.7020006@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne-Golden Gown of Denmark Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:17:41 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> lol! I think you sent this at the same time I sent mine;) I wasn't too sure of the actual page so I just had virtue.to;) With this ind the pattern diagram on the yahoo list I think that should just about cover as much info as we have as yet.. unless there are people out there holding out on us;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 09:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDD40h032544 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDBYdD020030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDBW8T010921; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDBT8U010892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h7CDBToa010889 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:11:29 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Message-ID: <20030812131129.GA5725@net.indra.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030810204341.01eae618@mail.rileyhome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Growing up, my parents had prints of Renoir's 'Girl With Hoop' and 'Girl With Watering Can'. I was sure they were supposed to be my sister and me! I was 'Girl With Watering Can': http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=661618&item=126649 ...eliz -- "The decision to have a child is to accept that your heart will forever walk about outside of your body" - Katharine Hadley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 09:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDGn0h032579 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:16:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDGFdD020411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDGD8T014272; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7CDGA8T014148 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjZkAmnOlbAsUYvEb6JUrptlrC5PGu4Eaw==">; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:15:31 PDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7DTTEJD; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:15:31 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:14:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical doubles (WAS: OT: "doubles") Message-ID: <20030812.081445.-234932825.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: seamstrix@juno.com cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This doesn't involve me at all, but I've always felt that Uma Thurman was a dead-ringer for Queen Alexandra. 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 09:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDWO0h000315 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDVvdD022362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDVu8T024936; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CDVs8T024912 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:31:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:31:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:31:46 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: Some progress re: blackwork distribution X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It turns out that I have found exactly one picture from ca. 1540-50 that demonstrates the neck band/vertical band layout I have in mind. It's called "Unknown Lady" by an Unknown Flemish Master - I cannot find a picture online but for those of you who have QEWU it's in the "Pursuit of Fashion" chapter. I'm trying to find at least one other example though, to assure myself that I'm not completely out on a limb.. Allison T. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allison, The portrait of 'The Man in Red' that hangs in Hampton Court shows him in a shirt w/ blackworked collar band as well as a blackwork strip down the front on either side of the front opening. There is a b&w copy of this picture in Ashelford's A Visual History of Costume: The 16th Century. From the rest of his attire I would definately date him mid 16th C. Also, I love this site for looking at blackwork in portraits. There might be some help here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/1581/bwgallery/ And your work is beautiful Kirrily :)! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 10:20:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CEKp0h000840 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CEKAdD026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CEK7Lk028667; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CEK4Lk028623 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-029scfairp0014.dialsprint.net ([63.179.120.14] helo=faucet.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ma0J-0004d9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:20:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3F390505.4000401@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:17:25 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Some progress re: blackwork distribution References: <03e801c36079$a33d03a0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What about this one: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+1 (Portrait of a Lady in White by da Brescia c. 1540) She has something sheer on over it, but she does have on a shirt that's blackworked at collar and in stripes--it's unfastened and the slash is pulled open. Of course, being Italian it may have a different type of collar than the ones you've been citing. There's also http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?47+0+0 http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?47+0+1 (Portrait of a Lady by Luini c. 1520-25) Again Italian and wearing something sheer overtop. This one might be too early for you. Best of luck, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 11:25:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFPW0h000979 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFOxdD003642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFOvg2021050; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from solomon.io.com (root@solomon.io.com [199.170.88.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFOsg2021009 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.io.com (IDENT:GZckgATqaY89zJbcgRR4xJuWODSlBCTW@columbia.io.com [199.170.88.107]) by solomon.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7CFOp708667 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:51 -0500 Received: from io.com (webmail [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7CFOwQe004048 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:58 -0500 Received: from 199.50.29.42 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <25289.199.50.29.42.1060701898.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique documentation? From: "Chiara" To: In-Reply-To: <3F390B6D.4040002@faucet.net> References: <3F390B6D.4040002@faucet.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a beading webpage that has many examples of what may be what you are looking for including this example. The webpages owner is currently at Pensic. She was in England this past Spring doing research in the archives of the museums handling many of these rare and precious historical items first hand and can tell you all about them. She has been asked to write an article for one of the leading beading magazines to be out next spring. I know the page has to do with beading but the type of applique that you are talking about here specifically is part of the images in the gallery at the bottom of the page. Scroll down and click on it. http://www.medievalbeads.com Chiara > Unfortunately I can't help you with your glue or paper questions. I do > have some early applique to offer, though. I have a photocopy of a page > from a book that lives in the UW Madison main library. I wish I knew > what book it was!! It has a photograph of what looks like a metallic > ground with circles appliqued on and stitched with crosses. The caption > reads "Silk material with application from the cover of the tome of St. > Wenceslas, first half of the 12th century. First mentioned in the > inventory of 1387 of the Prague Cathedral of St. Vitus. Prague, > Municipal Museum." I can't remember whether the original picture was in > color or not, unfortunately, as this copy was made years ago. > > Best of luck, > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 11:48:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFm30h001029 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:48:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CElSdD029438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CElRLk019160; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CElOLk019113 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-029scfairp0014.dialsprint.net ([63.179.120.14] helo=faucet.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19maQl-000432-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3F390B6D.4040002@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:44:45 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique documentation? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately I can't help you with your glue or paper questions. I do have some early applique to offer, though. I have a photocopy of a page from a book that lives in the UW Madison main library. I wish I knew what book it was!! It has a photograph of what looks like a metallic ground with circles appliqued on and stitched with crosses. The caption reads "Silk material with application from the cover of the tome of St. Wenceslas, first half of the 12th century. First mentioned in the inventory of 1387 of the Prague Cathedral of St. Vitus. Prague, Municipal Museum." I can't remember whether the original picture was in color or not, unfortunately, as this copy was made years ago. Best of luck, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 11:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFv10h001043 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFuWdD007046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFuUQB019518; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CFuJQB019354 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lgsteph (AS53-01-87.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.87]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h7CFuEO24882 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:58:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Applique documentation? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This question was asked in January on another list to which I subscribe. Follows my post: Applique was prevelant throughout Europe and indeed the Middle East and Asia from as early (as far as my own personal records go) as 814AD. To cite just a very few examples, all taken from Art of Embroidery, by Schuette and whatshername, concentrating on works having do with the Holy Roman Empire and Siciliy: - Circular Panel: annunciation and visitation, Coptic, 7-8th c., London V&A (814-1903), 17.5 c.m. Very clearly applique of linen on linen, silk threads. - Stole & Maniple of St. Cuthbert 909-916 AD, England, Durham Cathedral - Dalmatic cuff, part of the Insignia of the HOly Roman Empire, Sicily, Palerma Royal Workshop 1130-1140, Period of King roger II. Viena, Weltliche Schatxkammer. Cuff 21 cm wide. 'Two details: The dalmatic is of deep purple silk. The apparels illustrated, however, - a cuff and the lower border - are mde of a silk material resembling that of the Coronation Mantle .... According to Fillitz the garment may belong to the same set of vestments as the Coronation Mantle.' (Aside to Tangwystl: this is the coronation mantle we were discussing at 12th Night.) - lower cuff of the alb, part of the insignia of the Holy Roman Empire. Sicily, Palermo Royal Workshop 1181; alb of King William of Sicily - Medallion: Christ Pantocrator, Byzantium c. 1200. Speyer Cathedral Treasury. 'Applied to Mantle of King Philip of Swabia (d. 1208) which was found when his tomb was opened in the Cathedral of Speyer.' - Ealge Dalmatic - one of the Insignia of the Holy Roman Empire. Austria 3-4th decade of the 14th c. 'Purple silk damask with applied circular medallions showing eagles embroidered in blac on gold ground.' There ya go. To illustrate just a few. :-) > what I can't seem to find is > information about whether anything was done in period that was any > more sophisticated than plunking down cutouts of one fabric on > another and starting to sew. In my 15 years of research I come up with nothing until the early 18th century. We do know fish glue was often, not always, used on the backs of embroideries, and we do know in the 18th century appliques were sold by the pound to clients, and hence the law that prevented embroidery houses from using copious quantities of glue in order to drive up the price. In the majority of the academic reports I've read there is no mention whatever of any sort of sizing being used in pre-16th century work. It does seem to be a practice used commonly after the 16th century. > Two things that I find a considerable help in doing applique now are > glue and paper. Manipulating cloth on top of cloth means that any > slippage between the two can create ripples and twerks on the > finished project. Pinning and basting are often only partly > successful in preventing this, especially if one or both fabrics are > slippery. Interesting. Not to dispute, but I have never had difficulty in work moving. The cloak of state I did (image on our website) was done almost entirely in applique, although the cloak is done in silk noile and hence has a bit more tooth. I think you will find that extant works tend to have a predominance of less than slippery fabric. Even sarcenet has a bit of tooth. And certainly wool/silk blends have a bit of tooth that is wonderful when employing applique. So perhaps it's more a question of choice of fabric from an historical perspective than one of technique. Just a thought. > I would speculate that a light > coat of something like fish glue might have been used in period, but > I really don't know. It is plausible, but given the lack of evidence in extant pieces prior 16th century one would have to lean toward a negative response. In all the reproduction and interpretive work I do I use period techniques and immerse myself in historic mindset as much as I'm able, whether it's an interpretive Celtic piece, opus anglicanum, Elizabethan, Baroque or Regency. I have found their techniques, for the most part, work extremely well, while I've found using modern 'fixes' and 'helps' often to be not only expensive and time consuming, but frustrating because I'm not able to achieve that 'lost artifact' look for which I'm searching and try to imbue in my pieces. Just another perspective. :-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 12:29:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CGTo0h001106 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CGOLdD010170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CGOJQB003091; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CGOGQB002968 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.134.23bc0567 (4560) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <134.23bc0567.2c6a6ea5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:24:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Semi-OT: Winter Cloak (non-costume) Interlining/padding To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/2003 8:47:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, casamai@sbcglobal.net writes: > Thinsulate is a very light, easily handled batting - might work very well > for you. Seems to be working well enough so far, I got it in the mail the other day and half of my fabric pieces are now sewn onto the thinsulate pieces. Wow that stuff is thin, and the company calls it midloft! The only bad thing is that it's sort of scratchy, so at the moment it's trying to stick to me, to my table, to my machine, to my cat... Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 13:05:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CH5X0h001171 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CH2wdD014847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CH2tv5009508; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CH2pv5009380 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.6a.33ebd990 (15877) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.131]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e053f391db12a8; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0400 From: LLWatts@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2273069C.3FF7D58D.0016D037@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 67.31.157.214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Book review wanted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just got a closeout catalog from The Scholar's Bookshelf, and one of the books included is "Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, and Persian Costume" by Mary G. Houston. It sounds interesting from the blurb, but then it's supposed to :) . Anyone know if this book is worth getting? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 13:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CHxN0h001341 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:59:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CHvWdD021316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CHvRiE000685; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CHvGiE000528 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-009scfairp0041.dialsprint.net ([63.189.144.41] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mdOV-0001su-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:57:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3F3937F2.2080005@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:54:42 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Applique documentation? References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Two things that I find a considerable help in doing applique now are >>glue and paper. Manipulating cloth on top of cloth means that any >>slippage between the two can create ripples and twerks on the >>finished project. Pinning and basting are often only partly >>successful in preventing this, especially if one or both fabrics are >>slippery. > > Five Rivers wrote: > > Interesting. Not to dispute, but I have never had difficulty in work > moving. I think that slippage is MUCH more of a problem when doing applique by machine than when doing it by hand. The machine tends to stretch and push the fabric around, whereas with hand-stitching, one has much more control. I'm sure, Lorina, that your applique was all done by hand, whereas the vast majority of folks would do it by machine. (I'm not making assumptions about how the original poster does applique, just speaking in general.) Just a thought. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 15:05:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CJ5S0h001608 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:05:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CJ54dD028031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CJ52ev002745; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CJ4wev002697 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19meRz-0001JC-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:04:55 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Bjarne og Leif Drews'" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c36104$b35c25f0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000701c360fd$5a4cf090$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7CJ4wev002697 cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooh apple green...hmmm, I wonder if Super Silks DU-1085 "Oasis" is what you are looking for, there is also one called Apple-DU-1033. http://www.supersilk.com/index1.asp I have their color cards if you want me to lend them to you. Their prices range from7.15 to 9.95 per yard depending on how much you buy. I will also be going to the LA garment/fabric district this coming weekend and know that I can get dupioni there for $6/yard. I know some of them do mail order. I will pick up swatches for you if you would like. I have post this to the list because I think your 'journy' is very interesting.. Gosh I wish we all lived closer together! -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:13 AM To: Saragrace T. Knauf Subject: Re: Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni Hi Saragrace. I understand your confusion. Sorry about that! I ment that it was a flopper that i didnt put your name in the head'er, that was a flopper. Absolutely nothing has happened yeat, but i am planning to wash it in machine on a wool wash, so that a lot of the colour will run out, and then i will use that starching stuff you mentioned. I have baught a spray bottle for that. As for the fashion print, i will promise you to upload it, ill make it after dinner tonight. Have to make my own version of the print you know, because i cant use the original one. I found out that there is a very suitable cut i can use in Norah Waughs, cut of womens clothes. I have to alter the sleave, but all in all i can use this cut (diagram XXI) Then i must go and hunt for some apple green dupioni. That will be the hard one. Ill probably have to dye it myself. Fortunately that is only about 3 meters i guess. The reason why i didnt wash yeat, was because we have melting temperatures here and i was at the beach yesterday bathing in the nude! :-) But i have made other plans as well. The other day i was so fortunate to get some very lovely brocade. Grey brocade with off white pattern. In a mix of cotton and viscose. I baught 15 meters of it. Then i want to make the mantua in the cut of womens clothes diagram XVII. I want to embroider a stomacher in grey taffeta and make the robings with embroidery two.. This is my plan for an autumn job. I am so happy that i almost have all the dresses in the book to make yeat! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni This may have been missed since the list was down...I missed part of your conversation, now you have my curisosity up! Please do post your picture, but also I missed what you did which was a flop!! What did you do, just wash it? I am rooting for your fabric...don't know why...maybe because I have been so happy with my dye jobs over horrible colors!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Commercial starch-was: pink dupioni Hi Saragrace, Yes it was a flopper, i should have done as you said. But thanks for your help, ill do this one of the next days. I'll make a copy of the fashion print and post on my side so that you could have a look of this charming dress. Thanks Saragrace! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 16:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CK5J0h001761 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CK4bdD007210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CK4XVP002767; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CK4SVP002654 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mfNc-0003hH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:04:28 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Bjarne Commercial starch-one more thing I forgot! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:05:02 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c3610d$04d1e700$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003901c36104$b35c25f0$6501a8c0@SG01> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I forgot to tell you to do a little test before you spritz (spray) starch on your silk...You may find that the starch will cause 'water' marks if it is sprayed on. You may have to mix up the starch and imerse the fabric in it to prevent this... :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 19:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CNEj0h002255 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:14:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CNDgdD029567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CNDdKh027218; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7CNDYKh027110 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p54-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.118] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19miKW-0003ca-00; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:13:29 +1200 Message-ID: <002701c36127$5228f2e0$76a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e801c36079$a33d03a0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> <3F390505.4000401@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Some progress re: blackwork distribution Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:13:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is also the Anna Meyer figure in the Meyer Madonna, her shift is actually worked in gold (or gold colouredsilk) though. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/holbein/hans_y/1531/1darmst3.html And there are a few extant pieces that show it I'm sure... http://costume.dm.net/va/smocks.html Theses are allover though... http://costume.dm.net/bath/ Collar and fronts decorated Other views: http://costume.dm.net/chemise.html No bands, but a nice shirt nonethelesss http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/renaissance.html michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 20:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D0S50h002463 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D0RDdD006007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D0RC2W019350; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D0R82W019282 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5D6347013E; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:27:02 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5D441400D0; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c36131$fc793700$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c35c6e$b554d720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:29:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm.... how did this message go through the list again?????? I sent this one a while back and it did show up on the list then. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > Colleen, > > I can understand but sometimes being told that you HAVE to take a class, can > open new doors. Believe it or not, I didn't want to take computer classes. > I went in kicking and screaming. And my first class was not a nice one... > MS DOS. I came home every night and cried (and got a stiff drink.) I made > it through the class, and HAD to take two more computer classes. Well, I > fell in love with those classes... and took six more. > > I went in kicking and screaming after taking art history... I took one > semester of seeing how many slides you can memorize. I talked to my > professors and they substituted costume history and film history classes for > art history. YIPPEE!!!! One thing about art history, I did learn the tricks > for memorizing dates and names. > > Again, kicking and screaming that I didn't want to take a foreign > language... I took yucky poetry instead. Cried through that class too... > but used the class... one of my first clients wanted what???? Poetry on her > website. BTW, I now wish that I had taken French. A lot of my fashion > books need French translating. > > You just never know what life has in store for you. > > I can say this from my experience... don't take art history and costume > history in the same semester. It can confuse the hell out of you. Don't > take tech writing and creative writing in back to back semester. It messes > your mind up. > > Lastly, I put more into my time and effort into my costume classes than any > other classes. There is a lot of information to learn. In one costume > history class, we started out with 30 something students and ended the class > with four. A lot of people think it will be an easy class. Its not. It > requires a lot of hours of studying a week. One of my final exams was five > hours long. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 21:39:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D1dl0h002746 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D1dCdD011563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D1d5Vt004151; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D1d2Vu004109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7D1d5XM003481 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:39:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7D1d53F003479 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:39:05 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:39:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308122139.04990.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7D1d2Vu004109 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 06 August 2003 09:52 pm, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > At 08:27 PM 8/6/03 -0400, you wrote: > >On Wednesday 06 August 2003 09:02 am, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > > My bachelors is in mathematics. > > > My masters is in library and information science. > > > Weird combination, I know. :) > > > >Not at all. In fact, compared to some of the combinations people have > >posted, > >it makes sense if you wanted a career running an engineering or technical > >library (though I've no idea how common such jobs are). :-) The above comment (beginning with "Not at all") was actually mine. > Nope. I actually work in a public library as a general reference librarian. > However, I am married to a computer programmer which seems to be a very > common occurrence for a costumer! My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be part of, SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't involved with science fiction fandom. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 22:12:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2C80h002970 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:12:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2BddD013719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2BaoA021824; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2BYoB021806 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) h7D1CNJ3018479 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:12:24 -0400 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.46.40]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:11:32 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List \(E-mail\)" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: <043401c36140$37656920$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork distribution - thanks! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Allison, The portrait of 'The Man in Red' that hangs in Hampton Court shows him in a shirt w/ blackworked collar band as well as a blackwork strip down the front on either side of the front opening. There is a b&w copy of this picture in Ashelford's A Visual History of Costume: The 16th Century. From the rest of his attire I would definately date him mid 16th C. Also, I love this site for looking at blackwork in portraits. There might be some help here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/1581/bwgallery/ And your work is beautiful Kirrily :)! Catherine - It is in the Ashelford book - fig. 45, and the caption dates it to 1540s. There are also some interesting links off of the site above, particularly one called "The Musicians" (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/1581/bwgallery/bl129.htm, lady on the left). - Also What about this one: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+0 http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?374+0+1 (Portrait of a Lady in White by da Brescia c. 1540) She has something sheer on over it, but she does have on a shirt that's blackworked at collar and in stripes--it's unfastened and the slash is pulled open. Of course, being Italian it may have a different type of collar than the ones you've been citing. There's also http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?47+0+0 http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?47+0+1 (Portrait of a Lady by Luini c. 1520-25) Again Italian and wearing something sheer overtop. This one might be too early for you. Best of luck, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume - Thank you for these! Lazy me, I LIVE in the DC area and so of course I started my web search by scouring the Met in NYC!! I should try and get down there at some point now that I have a "target" that I want to focus on! - Going to continue looking through my books as well. Thank you all! - Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 22:13:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2Dv0h002982 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2DUdD013909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2DUoA023066; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2DQoB022999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7D2DTXM003604 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7D2DT0B003602 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:29 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book review wanted Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <2273069C.3FF7D58D.0016D037@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2273069C.3FF7D58D.0016D037@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308122213.29114.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7D2DQoB022999 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 12 August 2003 01:02 pm, LLWatts@aol.com wrote: > Just got a closeout catalog from The Scholar's Bookshelf, and one of the > books included is "Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, and Persian Costume" by > Mary G. Houston. It sounds interesting from the blurb, but then it's > supposed to :) . Anyone know if this book is worth getting? I have a copy (not of the Dover reprint, but of one of the old hardcover edition, which cost me more), and I can at least give you my opinion, for what it's worth. If you are familiar with Ms. Houston's work "English Costume in the 13th, 14th and 15th Centuries," you already have some idea whether the Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, and Persian book is worth it. Both books, in my opinion, have the same attributes and the same advantages and disadvantages, namely: DISADVANTAGES: 1) All of the illustrations are black and white redrawings of original period artworks. 2) The author likes to give her personal theories of the construction/reasons for particular fashions, which seem to have no basis other than her own esthetics/judgment. ADVANTAGES: 1) Houston usually identifies the sources she's redrawn from (though the attributes tend to be buried in the text); 2) The redrawings are clear and, so far as I can tell, usually faithful to the originals. 3) Because of 1 and 2, it's usually possible to make a meaningful judgment about how far you're willing to trust the text; 4) When Houston is merely giving a physical description of an item, she often makes a lot of sense and can be very enlightening. Houston also gives, in some instances, proposed diagrams for draping and cutting particular costumes. I've tried one of them and I have mixed opinions about her judgment on the one I tried, but I may have used too thick a cloth for the attempt. At any rate, experimenting with her diagrams may be enlightening as well. Finally, Houston is one of the few authors I know of who attempts to cover Mesopotamian and Persian costume in anything resembling depth, and she gives more coverage to Egyptian than most other books. I paid about USD $40 for my copy a few years ago, and have never regretted it. At Dover's usual prices (esp. if Scholar's Bookshop is giving a discount), I think it's worth getting a copy. But that may depend on your level of interest in the subject and your budget. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 22:25:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2PH0h003024 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2OqdD014573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2OooA029854; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2OloA029815 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14b163.directcon.net [209.79.208.163]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h7D2QLv21364; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:26:21 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030812192345.00bca3d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:23:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:52 PM 08/06/2003 -0500, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: >>Actually, I've been having a bit of an inferiority complex here--my degrees >>seem so staid and mundane, compared to the marvelous combinations being >>displayed by other members of the list. > >My favorites so far have been the law degree, the physics and the chemistry. I think we have and MD or two lurking around here, as well. As for me, well, I'm the proud holder of a high school equivanlency certificate..And I've done all right for myself in costuming. Margo "One Tough Costumer" www.margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 22:36:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2a10h003059 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2ZUdD015166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2ZToA005971; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D2ZPoA005889 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.195.248.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.195.248] helo=Dan) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mlTw-0000Fs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c36143$d8c99ae0$f8c34bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c35c6e$b554d720$0400a8c0@comcast.net> <001a01c36131$fc793700$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And Penny, I just received your posting for Ragtime from 7/30/03 Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > Hmmm.... how did this message go through the list again?????? I sent this > one a while back and it did show up on the list then. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Ladnier" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > > > > Colleen, > > > > I can understand but sometimes being told that you HAVE to take a class, > can > > open new doors. Believe it or not, I didn't want to take computer > classes. > > I went in kicking and screaming. And my first class was not a nice one... > > MS DOS. I came home every night and cried (and got a stiff drink.) I > made > > it through the class, and HAD to take two more computer classes. Well, I > > fell in love with those classes... and took six more. > > > > I went in kicking and screaming after taking art history... I took one > > semester of seeing how many slides you can memorize. I talked to my > > professors and they substituted costume history and film history classes > for > > art history. YIPPEE!!!! One thing about art history, I did learn the > tricks > > for memorizing dates and names. > > > > Again, kicking and screaming that I didn't want to take a foreign > > language... I took yucky poetry instead. Cried through that class too... > > but used the class... one of my first clients wanted what???? Poetry on > her > > website. BTW, I now wish that I had taken French. A lot of my fashion > > books need French translating. > > > > You just never know what life has in store for you. > > > > I can say this from my experience... don't take art history and costume > > history in the same semester. It can confuse the hell out of you. Don't > > take tech writing and creative writing in back to back semester. It > messes > > your mind up. > > > > Lastly, I put more into my time and effort into my costume classes than > any > > other classes. There is a lot of information to learn. In one costume > > history class, we started out with 30 something students and ended the > class > > with four. A lot of people think it will be an easy class. Its not. It > > requires a lot of hours of studying a week. One of my final exams was > five > > hours long. > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > www.costumegallery.com > > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > > > > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 23:06:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D36Y0h003130 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D364dD017235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D364jL023018; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D35kjL022898 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lgsteph (AS53-01-71.cas-gue.golden.net [207.35.144.71]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h7D35iK08265 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01c36148$5891de00$479023cf@lgsteph> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200308121801.h7CI1siF004468@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:05:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Applique documentation? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie wrote: > I think that slippage is MUCH more of a problem when doing applique by > machine than when doing it by hand. [snip] I'm sure, Lorina, that your applique was all done by hand, > whereas the vast majority of folks would do it by machine. Ooops! Caught me there! Yes, you are of course correct, Melanie, I do all my applique by hand. It never occurred to me a sewing machine might be used. Now that is pathetically funny when you stop and think about it. And of course there would be a whole different set of problems working on a machine. Shudder. I couldn't begin to imagine using the machine on some of the applique embroidery I've done. Machines are for modern wear. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 12 23:07:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D3740h003135 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:07:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D35adD017201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D35YjL022795; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D35XjL022664 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03486178pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net[68.86.79.197](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20030813030527015006m44re> (Authid: lindajthompson); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:05:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3F39ABC3.2060802@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:08:51 -0500 From: "Linda J. Thompson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she needs less items to dress in. So what ya think? -- Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 01:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5KX0h003369 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:20:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D59xdD026680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D59uoM000779; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D59poM000732 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJJ006DWL0D2Y@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:39:15 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question In-reply-to: <3F39ABC3.2060802@comcast.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812212302.02ea4bb0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Linda, I just started back into my emails, and yours caught my eye. At 10:08 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. >I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that >is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL >http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif >and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. Hmmm... first thought was have you looked at Folkwear patterns? They used to have an Austrian Dirndle pattern, although I am not sure if they still sell the item. >We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra >support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has >anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: Yes, I have made one from a separate corset under a laced over bodice which was sewn to the skirt. And I have made a separate bodice with the under placket that had lacings over the placket. Both worked well for what I wore them for. ren faires and country dancing. > I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner > panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of > thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across > the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice > overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. >She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she >needs less items to dress in. > >So what ya think? If I am understanding this right, why the extra work? Would you not have two layers of laced in items that would add extra bulk? If this is theatre, you could either 1. Put in a zipper to the structure under the plastron, instead of the first lacing. I have seen this done many times and it makes for easy removal of the bodice. Has a little less bulk, and removes faster than lacings. Besides it won't be seen. 2. Forget the under/inner panel and create the plastron as a fully boned item made wider than the opening, then sewn in on one side to the garment under the overlapping sides, and maybe (if needed) hook or velcro or zip along the other side. The lacing then holds the plastron in place, and can support the body fairly well. I have made mine without the extra hooks, and the front plastron held my ample bosom in place. However, I still preferred the corset covered with a plastron for full support. My question is... how much movement is required for her in this garment in theatre? Is she having to dance or bounce a lot, or just basic stage movement? That I think would affect how much extra under support you have to put into the bodice. For my experience, I used to do country dancing in my costumes, and had no problems with the bodices I made. Good luck, and let us know what you tried and how it worked out. >-- >Linda Thompson > >Attitude Is Everything >http://corsetsandcostumes.com Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 01:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5Kx0h003372 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:21:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5AcdD026728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5AcoM001123; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D59poO000732 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJJ006DWL0D2Y@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:50:57 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Applique documentation? In-reply-to: <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I missed the original question, so excuse me if the following has already been mentioned. Janet Arnold in _Patterns of Fashion_, 1560-1620, on page 111, in describing the black velvet loose gown (45B), talks of the applique of black satin that is applied. She states: "The gown is embroidered with applied black satin motifs and couched black cords. Each motif is glued to a piece of paper to prevent fraying, cut out and mounted on the velvet, then outlined with black cord." I am not sure from where specifically she knows this info on how it was originally done, but I followed it to do a similar applique motif on my version of the loose gown. However, using modern methods as I am allowed to do, I used Steam a Seam 2, instead of paper and glue. And as I was running out of time, I worked it on a modern machine. Someday I will do this one again and just do the applique as handwork, but it suffices for now. hth for whatever it is worth. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 01:25:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5PD0h003386 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:25:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5EodD026985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5EloM003263; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:14:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D5EkoM003254 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19mny9-0002gD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:14:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:15:21 -0700 Message-ID: <007001c36159$e53d76a0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F39ABC3.2060802@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7D5EkoM003254 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What you are describing makes sense. I think you will have more responses if you join and post your question to the Yahoo German Ren Costume group...they make these things all the time. There are a number of ingenious approaches that people use. But what you are describing is similar to the conjectured bodices of the tudor era where the lacing takes place underneath and the top is pinned over to one side...even more like the Thomas Moore family painting (originally by Lockely). You can check that out here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/images/morefam.gif Depending on her size, she may or may not get the look she is after without correct underpinnings. If you have access to a Jean Hunnisett book you might want her to read about how theater people too need correct underpinnings...:) Sewing for actors is SO much fun no? Is she directing the play as well as acting in it? Interesting that she is dictating her costume...the picture you point to looks like a pattern front...is it? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Linda J. Thompson Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:09 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question Hi all, I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she needs less items to dress in. So what ya think? -- Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 03:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D7d40h024790 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:39:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D7c3dD005451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D7bxxh015405; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7D7buxh015385 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-119-247.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.119.247]) h7D7bsoO004845 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:37:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030813002826.00bc5e88@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:35:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question In-Reply-To: <3F39ABC3.2060802@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:08 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. >I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that >is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL >http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif >and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. > >We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra >support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has >anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: > I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner > panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of > thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across > the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice > overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. > >She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she >needs less items to dress in. > >So what ya think? Hi Linda-- Apologies if somebody already answered this, but I've seen this trick used and it works really well. Jean Hunnisett gives complete directions in "Period Costume for Stage & Screen: Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800" (pp. 49-53). The instructions are for building an "Early Tudor Dress," but you certainly could modify it for the dirndl bodice. HIH, Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 09:18:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDIZ0h009609 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:18:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDHUdD026247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDHRKs028760; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDHOKs028727 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:17:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:17:18 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be part of, SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't involved with science fiction fandom. -- Cathy Raymond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it might be a little more accurate to say many of us are not involved in SF fandom anymore. I know it is one of the places I started stretching my costuming wings. The ST:WoK radiation suit made for a roommate who was a rabid Scotty fan comes to mind among other things :). Their costumes must have been very poorly made for the show because when Jimmy Doohan saw it he said he thought it was better done that his! I never got into the latex mask part of it however, which seemed to get big after Star Wars, may have been why I then drifted more full-time into historic costuming. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 09:35:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDZb0h009652 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDYRdD027622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDYQKs009787; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDYMKs009749 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from escom.antek [192.168.0.151] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AE5C310200FE; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:34:20 -0500 Received: From PACws22 ([65.45.18.250]) by escom.antek (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1060781659996; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3619a$0e20e300$0f64a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:54:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's > because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be > part of, > SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a > oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't > involved with science fiction fandom. I would suggest that it is because computer programmers and costumers are use to thinking outside of the box... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 09:46:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDke0h009678 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDjadD028500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDjZKs016633; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDiRKs015868 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03486178pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net[68.86.79.197](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003081313442201400kdjvee> (Authid: lindajthompson); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:44:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3A4188.7060300@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:47:52 -0500 From: "Linda J. Thompson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dirndyl X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, In answer to your questions.. >>Hi all, >>I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. >>I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that >>is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL >>http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif >>and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. >Hmmm... first thought was have you looked at Folkwear patterns? They used >to have an Austrian Dirndle pattern, although I am not sure if they still >sell the item. Yes, they still have the pattern, but it doesn't have the features I am needing. Besides this woman is a very short, plus size woman. 56 bust, 42 waist. >>We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra >>support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has >>anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: >Yes, I have made one from a separate corset under a laced over bodice which >was sewn to the skirt. And I have made a separate bodice with the under >placket that had lacings over the placket. Both worked well for what I wore >them for. ren faires and country dancing. Wants seperate skirts.. >> I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner >> panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of >> thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across >> the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice >> overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. >>She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she >>needs less items to dress in. ::snipped for length:: >My question is... how much movement is required for her in this garment in >theatre? Is she having to dance or bounce a lot, or just basic stage >movement? That I think would affect how much extra under support you have >to put into the >bodice. For my experience, I used to do country dancing in my costumes, and >had no problems with the bodices I made. She is dancing and bouncing around on stage... she needs the full support of a corset and adjustability if she loses/gains any weight. I think she is planning on wearing this for legitimate "Octoberfest" activities.. her father is Hungarian... Your suggestions have been helpful.. sort of opened the door for me to look at other options. Thanks a bunch. -- Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 09:54:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDsZ0h009694 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:54:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDrSdD029003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDrRKs021556; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orval.sprint.ca (orval.sprint.ca [209.5.194.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DDrPKs021482 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.67.143]) by orval.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030813135321.JBAU11123.orval.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c361a2$5404c1e0$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F3A4188.7060300@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dirndyl Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just in case you were interested, the picture she sent you is from a Burda pattern. As I recall, they carry a variety of similar patterns to the ones in the picture. Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dirndyl > Hi Kimiko, > In answer to your questions.. > > >>Hi all, > >>I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. > >>I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone that > >>is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent me this URL > >>http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif > >>and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. > > > >Hmmm... first thought was have you looked at Folkwear patterns? They used > >to have an Austrian Dirndle pattern, although I am not sure if they still > >sell the item. > > Yes, they still have the pattern, but it doesn't have the features I am needing. Besides > this woman is a very short, plus size woman. 56 bust, 42 waist. > > >>We are making a boned bodice with stays and stuff.. (she needs the extra > >>support).. my question is..She wants this to close in the front... Has > >>anyone out there made a bodice in this manner before: > > >Yes, I have made one from a separate corset under a laced over bodice which > >was sewn to the skirt. And I have made a separate bodice with the under > >placket that had lacings over the placket. Both worked well for what I wore > >them for. ren faires and country dancing. > > Wants seperate skirts.. > > >> I am thinking what I need to do is create the bodice so it has an inner > >> panel that laces in the front (fully boned)in a underlayment type of > >> thing. Then create a plastron that would hook/velcro or something across > >> the actual bodice closure and then have the front sides of the bodice > >> overlap the sides of the plastron, and lace across the plastron. > > > >>She does not want a corset and seperate bodice. Its for theatre and she > >>needs less items to dress in. > ::snipped for length:: > > >My question is... how much movement is required for her in this garment in > >theatre? Is she having to dance or bounce a lot, or just basic stage > >movement? That I think would affect how much extra under support you have > >to put into the > >bodice. For my experience, I used to do country dancing in my costumes, and > >had no problems with the bodices I made. > > She is dancing and bouncing around on stage... she needs the full support of a corset and > adjustability if she loses/gains any weight. I think she is planning on wearing this for > legitimate "Octoberfest" activities.. her father is Hungarian... > > Your suggestions have been helpful.. sort of opened the door for me to look at other options. > > Thanks a bunch. > > > -- > Linda Thompson > > Attitude Is Everything > http://corsetsandcostumes.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 11:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFRr0h009878 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFQpdD007809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFQnKj003664; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFQlKj003552 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003081315264101300kg31ge>; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:26:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3A58B0.5040203@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:26:40 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dirndyl costume question References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812212302.02ea4bb0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812212302.02ea4bb0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I just started back into my emails, and yours caught my eye. > > At 10:08 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have been a very busy bee... missed a bunch of list postings. >> I have a question... I have been asked to make an outfit for someone >> that is going to be in Hello Dolly. She wants a Dirndl.... she sent >> me this URL >> http://www.geocities.com/dirndl2.geo/d01504.gif >> and asked me to make a costume similar to the one on the right. > > > Hmmm... first thought was have you looked at Folkwear patterns? They > used to have an Austrian Dirndle pattern, although I am not sure if > they still sell the item. > Yes, Folkwear has the austrian drindl. It is available in sizes 8 to 16. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 11:39:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFdu0h009962 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFcsdD008932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFcqKj013991; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DFcoKj013896 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWsx12Ce0v/YWg/VyiyaDqQYmDbVuV1YbYw==">; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:38:44 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7GNECKV; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:38:44 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:39:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Message-ID: <20030813.234000.-77555.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-9,11-13 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margo, I can't believe that you do such authentic and usable work without at least a master's degree. Shows have valuable those letters are after names. I have been reading but didn't want to post as I only have an BS in elementary education. Somehow, I don't think that a formal education tells it all. I have learned so much from books, research and just living since I graduated that I can't tell which was college and which was life when it comes to what I know most of the time. Don't care what your degree is in - you are still my number one authority on Elizabethan garb. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 11:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFt60h010015 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:55:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFrfdD010414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFrbKj027461; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DFrYKj027391 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from patriot.net (support.patriot.net [209.249.176.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h7DFrXm5002444 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:53:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200308131553.h7DFrXm5002444@jefferson.patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:49:46 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.2 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Stage Combat and Presentation Techniques Workshop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may be of interest to some! -Carol Forwarded From: Amy West at Higgins Armory > This workshop at the Higgins Armory Museum in Worcester, MA may be of > interest to other Museum-L folks who have re-enactors at their museums. > Please feel free to forward to other lists. > > A Visit from the Royal Armouries: Keith Ducklin > > Saturday, 10/4/2003 9:00 AM-4:00 PM > - $85 for Museum Members, $100 for non-members > > Stage Combat and Presentation Techniques > > Saturday, October 4th and Sunday, October 5th, am to 4 pm > > Re-enactors and hobbyists alike will benefit from this in-depth workshop > presented by Senior Interpreter Keith Ducklin of the Royal Armouries at > Leeds. With over 20 years of acting, interpretation and martial arts > experience, Keith will guide participants through a series of workshops > including: body dynamics, combat manual interpretation, developing stage > presence and script construction. Participants must be 18 or older. Cost is > $85 for museum members, $100 for non-members. For reservations and > inquiries please contact Dianne Berg at the Higgins Education Department > 508-853-6015 ext. 19, or via email at dberg@higgins.org. > For more information, e-mail dberg@higgins.org or call 508-853-6015 > > > --- Amy West > Museum Educator > Higgins Armory Museum > 100 Barber Ave. > Worcester, MA 01606 > > medievalist@w-sts.com > > ========================================================= > Important Subscriber Information: > > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 13:48:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DHmK0h010300 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DHl0dD021919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DHkvZH013532; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DHkqZH013451 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19mzhz-000Jdj-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:45:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed References: <000001c35f97$2bbb4720$1dcb3040@laptop> In-Reply-To: <000001c35f97$2bbb4720$1dcb3040@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops! Sorry about the size, I didn't think to reduce it. I've put new versions up now, hopefully that will fix Glenda's problem too. Yes, I find it really useful to see the shape of pattern pieces. Learning how 2-D relates to 3-D is one of the most important things in being able to recreate a garment from a picture. This book has taught me all I know about sleeves, and it's helped with other pieces, where fullness is added and taken away. Not sure what you mean about the link - I was having trouble with the index pages, so I typed in the link instead of copying and pasting. Did it come up differently on your email? I didn't want to mess around putting the two pages into one image, so I did a covering page to hold both of them. Jean Saragrace knauf wrote >Yes that helps me a lot! I have to admit I am pretty proud of myself >because I was pretty close... >I had not put the squared off part as part of the sleeve and had not >curved the sleeve arm seam (but I was thinking that would help get the >sleeve smaller up by the arm pit....) I am still going to work hard at >refining it, but I don't think folks in the class are as interested in >the refinements as I am.... > >Your pictures also gave me another idea...when asking questions (or for >help) about construction it would help for me to put pictures of my >pattern pieces up before they are put together...it really helps to see >the pattern pieces. > >Thank you sOOOOOOO much. That was an interesting way to put a link in a >letter or page..why did you do it like that? Is there a reason you >don't just paste the link in the email? (I am learning about webpages >etc as well, hence my questions) > >Also, did you realize your resolution was so high? That second jpg was >8 meg! My broadband is down today...I was using my poor little dial up! >WOWZA! > >Thank you so much again... > > >Sg > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 14:17:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIHF0h010348 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIGHdD024706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIGDf5010555; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SRVNODE7.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DIFxf5010235 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by SRVNODE7.cho.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:15:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000001c35f97$2bbb4720$1dcb3040@laptop> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:19:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had the same problem and so deleted the links. Would you please resend the links to those of us without foresight? Thanks, LynnD >Oops! Sorry about the size, I didn't think to reduce it. I've put >new versions up now, hopefully that will fix Glenda's problem too. > >Yes, I find it really useful to see the shape of pattern pieces. >Learning how 2-D relates to 3-D is one of the most important things >in being able to recreate a garment from a picture. This book has >taught me all I know about sleeves, and it's helped with other >pieces, where fullness is added and taken away. > >Not sure what you mean about the link - I was having trouble with >the index pages, so I typed in the link instead of copying and >pasting. Did it come up differently on your email? I didn't want >to mess around putting the two pages into one image, so I did a >covering page to hold both of them. > >Jean > > >Saragrace knauf wrote >>Yes that helps me a lot! I have to admit I am pretty proud of myself >>because I was pretty close... >>I had not put the squared off part as part of the sleeve and had not >>curved the sleeve arm seam (but I was thinking that would help get the >>sleeve smaller up by the arm pit....) I am still going to work hard at >>refining it, but I don't think folks in the class are as interested in >>the refinements as I am.... >> >>Your pictures also gave me another idea...when asking questions (or for >>help) about construction it would help for me to put pictures of my >>pattern pieces up before they are put together...it really helps to see >>the pattern pieces. >> >>Thank you sOOOOOOO much. That was an interesting way to put a link in a >>letter or page..why did you do it like that? Is there a reason you >>don't just paste the link in the email? (I am learning about webpages >>etc as well, hence my questions) >> >>Also, did you realize your resolution was so high? That second jpg was >>8 meg! My broadband is down today...I was using my poor little dial up! >>WOWZA! >> >>Thank you so much again... >> >> >>Sg >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 14:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIZk0h010400 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIYhdD026640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIYdf5027553; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIXBf5026312 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19n0Qn-0003IU-00; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:33:10 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7DIXBf5026312 cc: anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk Subject: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed-links and note to Jean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are the links for others.... First page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster1.jpg Second page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster2.jpg Jean, what I was trying to understand is why you 'hid' (for lack of a better word) the links behind the words "First Page" & "Second Page" as opposed to just pasting the link itself and you placed them in a separate document posted (as opposed to just dumping them in the email itself like I just did) on your webstie...but I think you alluded that you were having difficulty? No problem, I was just wondering if I was missing something like a security issue or browser problem that others might have (like those who use AOL) that you were trying to alleviate. BTW if you haven't looked at the Flemish Garb group postings lately you should..Michaela has posted som patterns and artwork to support a very interesting approach to the sleeve issue.... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed Well, I think I've done it. Try http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Squarearmhole.doc Hope it helps, Jean Saragrace knauf wrote >Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! > >Sg > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Jean Waddie >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM >To: Historical Costume >Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > > >Saragrace, > >The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had >been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on >drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves >("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with >deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across >the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual >garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a >single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a >tighter version of the same thing. > >I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can >work the technology. > >Jean > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 14:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIhm0h010419 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIgkdD027501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIghf5004923; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SRVNODE7.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DIgcf5004761 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by SRVNODE7.cho.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:42:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:46:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed-links and note to Jean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for sending the links; now I can open it. LynnD >Here are the links for others.... > >First page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster1.jpg > >Second page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster2.jpg > >Jean, what I was trying to understand is why you 'hid' (for lack of a better >word) the links behind the words "First Page" & "Second Page" as opposed to >just pasting the link itself and you placed them in a separate document >posted (as opposed to just dumping them in the email itself like I just did) >on your webstie...but I think you alluded that you were having difficulty? > >No problem, I was just wondering if I was missing something like a security >issue or browser problem that others might have (like those who use AOL) >that you were trying to alleviate. > >BTW if you haven't looked at the Flemish Garb group postings lately you >should..Michaela has posted som patterns and artwork to support a very >interesting approach to the sleeve issue.... > >Sg > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Jean Waddie >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:08 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > > >Well, I think I've done it. Try >http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Squarearmhole.doc > >Hope it helps, > >Jean > > >Saragrace knauf wrote >>Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! >> >>Sg >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >>On Behalf Of Jean Waddie >>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM >>To: Historical Costume >>Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed >> >> >>Saragrace, >> >>The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had >>been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on >>drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves >>("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with >>deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across >>the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual >>garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a >>single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a >>tighter version of the same thing. >> >>I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can >>work the technology. >> >>Jean >> > >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 14:52:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIqe0h010444 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIpYdD028330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIpUf5013430; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DIpPf5013316 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f3c.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.60]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BBFD247FF7D for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <010501c361cc$52829ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c35f6e$7fe289e0$9c0b77d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:54:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Lisa. Congratulations with your new site. It looks great! How wonderfull there is a place where you can buy poking sticks for ruffs :-) I think there has ben a wonderfull progress in authentic things to get the last 10 years, what will it all end up with? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view Well, my site has been online and in pre-view mode for a few weeks now but I haven't mentioned it as there are still things I'd like to add before I consider website release 1.0 complete. For anyone who wants to have a peek the address is www.ThrednedleStrete.com and when it's been tweaked a bit more and filled in I'll put another announcement out. You will find now a downloadable copy of Stubbes - Anatomy of Abuses and quite a few proclamations relating to the English clothing industry plus some period buttons and tools. I'm also working on getting some software set up to support "shareware" patterns, with downloads, photos and a "review this pattern" mechanism for anyone who might want to participate. It's going to be a fun rather than money making enterprise but set up like a professional web store. Patterns will be via pdf printouts. I'll be charging for the bandwidth to support this, but patterns can be shared with anyone you like. The designer who contributed the pattern will have an option of requesting payment if the user finds it useful. Don't know if any one ever receives money from shareware stuff, but I'll provide some more details later as I work out a few procedures. Cheers, Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 16:40:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DKeM0h010702 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DKcidD010158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DKcPMA028772; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f118.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DKcMMA028635 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:38:16 -0700 Received: from 66.237.9.226 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:38:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.237.9.226] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:38:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 20:38:16.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3270360:01C361DA] Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know you meant your comment to be a positive statement, but I just have to be nit-picky here for a minute. Please forgive... I really feel that it is a tragedy that our culture is so caught up in the idea that you can't be good at your field of interest unless you have a degree from a higher learning institution. It doesn't seem to matter what type of experience a person has or if they learned the information in question by being resourceful and searching out the knowledge on their own. In my small mind, the person who searched out the information on their own and mastered their field with out paying a small fortune to a pocket gouging institution of higher learning should be more highly esteemed then he is. I think it is a real tragedy that we so often think of people who chose not to pursue further institutional education as unlearned or ignorant. Granted, there are many people who chose not to pursue further education at all. This is extremely sad. I am against this stagnant mindset. But these are not the people I am ranting about. People such as Margo, who have become master craftspersons by their own desire to learn should be heralded as wonderful examples of resourcefulness and desire. I do not mean to sound as if I am putting down people who choose to pursue a BA, PhD, etc. This is a wonderful goal. However I am putting down the idea that this is the only avenue in which a person can become educated. I feel that this is a huge shame and I also think it is hard for many high school aged children to understand. Anyway, I could go on and on. I don't mean to make this sound inflammatory. I know there are a lot of highly educated people on this list. I commend you for pursuing these educations. I just want to make the point that self-educated people should be thought of as equals. They should not be looked down upon or thought less of for these separate paths taken. Now, off my little soapbox and back to my regularly scheduled H-costume lurking My apologies for taking this so far OT. I actually really enjoyed reading about how many diverse and interesting people we have here. :) jessica >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:39:59 -0400 >From: catpurson@juno.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <20030813.234000.-77555.1.catpurson@juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Margo, > > I can't believe that you do such authentic and usable work >without at least a master's degree. Shows have valuable those letters >are after names. I have been reading but didn't want to post as I only >have an BS in elementary education. Somehow, I don't think that a formal >education tells it all. I have learned so much from books, research and >just living since I graduated that I can't tell which was college and >which was life when it comes to what I know most of the time. > > Don't care what your degree is in - you are still my number one >authority on Elizabethan garb. > >Lalah >Never give up, Never surrender _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLIK0h010766 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLH9dD015089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLH5pf007196; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DLH2pf007096 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030813211657.16913.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:16:57 BST Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:16:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your degree in? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *big snip* Fine, and now I would like to say something. I am sick and tired of people telling me that my many many years at Universities mean nothing, because after all, those letters 'mean nothing at all'. Excuse me? That is as unfair as saying the opposite! I, and many other peope I know, spent years slaving for exams and writing paper after paper after thesis, so please do us all a favour and don't turn the whole thing around and now look upon US as if we were 'nothing'. That is not fair, as unfair in fact as saying just because someone hasn't studied properly at Universities their knowledge isn't worth anything or they are not a scholar. So, please, let's play nice and have tolerance for ALL of us, or I'd just get really hurt, because yes, this DID hurt me. Thanks, I needed to say that. Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 17:27:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLRB0h010791 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:27:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLPOdD016131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DLPNpf015549; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DLPJpf015472 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 67647 invoked by uid 1005); 13 Aug 2003 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.117599 secs); 13 Aug 2003 21:25:08 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.117599 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 21:25:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <20030813211657.16913.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030813172313.G8479-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um...sounded to me like Jessica was not saying that a university degree means nothing, but rather was saying that not having a university degree didn't necessarily make someone less qualified. Drea On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > *big snip* > > > > Fine, and now I would like to say something. I am sick and tired of people > telling me that my many many years at Universities mean nothing, because after > all, those letters 'mean nothing at all'. Excuse me? That is as unfair as > saying the opposite! I, and many other peope I know, spent years slaving for > exams and writing paper after paper after thesis, so please do us all a favour > and don't turn the whole thing around and now look upon US as if we were > 'nothing'. That is not fair, as unfair in fact as saying just because someone > hasn't studied properly at Universities their knowledge isn't worth anything or > they are not a scholar. > > So, please, let's play nice and have tolerance for ALL of us, or I'd just get > really hurt, because yes, this DID hurt me. > > > > Thanks, I needed to say that. > > Nicole > > > ===== > One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess > http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 18:44:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DMil0h011039 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:44:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DMhodD024734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DMhm8l025793; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DMhi8l025753 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19n4LI-0005YJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:43:44 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c361ec$5a975870$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Very cool pics on Flemish Garb Group-was constructive criticism needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7DMil0h011039 Status: RO Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that Michaela has posted some very cool pictures in the files secition on a sleeve construction for the Breughel outter gowns...I now will go back and modify my mockups....if you are interested and missed my earlier post (I know many of you were at Pennsic) the group is now open to the public.... Sg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Flemish_Garb/files/square%20sleeve%20heads/ I am not sure if you have to join the group to view the files....since it is an open group which requires no moderator approval. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 19:02:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN2s0h011114 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:02:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN1sdD026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN1qxF010337; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN1nxF010303 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h7DN1lKY022467 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:01:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:09:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <200308122139.04990.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:39 PM 8/12/03 -0400, Cathy wrote: >My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's >because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be part of, >SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a >oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't involved >with science fiction fandom. I hadn't thought about that aspect. It's very possible that's at least a contributing factor. A number of programmers that I know also work at the local Renaissance festival (with LOTS of costumes) because they were drawn into the "role-playing" aspect after getting started in Dungeons & Dragons. Sheryl N-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 19:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN7B0h011122 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN5NdD026764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN5NxF012988; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN5KxF012955 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h7DN5IKY024495 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:05:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180946.00a42d00@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:12:44 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030812192345.00bca3d0@pop.directcon.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:23 PM 8/12/03 -0700, Margo wrote: >As for me, well, I'm the proud holder of a high school equivanlency >certificate..And I've done all right for myself in costuming. She's done *all right* she says! I'd say it's a great bit more than *all right*. I'd respect you highly even if all I knew about you was the fact that you created those Renaissance patterns. I hope one day that I can do *all right* in costuming, too..... ;-) Sheryl N-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 19:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DNGR0h011141 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DNDwdD027597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DNBixF018124; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DNBfxF017978 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LoreleiMorte@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.c6.20f259f9 (25508) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: LoreleiMorte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:11:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/13/2003 6:03:13 PM Central Standard Time, sherylnd@kc.rr.com writes: > I hadn't thought about that aspect. It's very possible that's at least a > contributing factor. A number of programmers that I know also work > at the local Renaissance festival (with LOTS of costumes) because they > were drawn into the "role-playing" aspect after getting started in > Dungeons &Dragons Heh. D&D got me into costuming (my old DM and his wife were in the SCA). And since I like to do things really backwards...*now* I'm going back to school to major in computer technology... My Geek Evolution is almost complete...muahahaha -Sarra Wryght www.sixteenthcenturystitchery.com (Elizabethan Dress Diaries, etc) Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/loreleisedai/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 21:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Um0h012937 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1T1dD008149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Sxag015750; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Sqah015704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7E1SZXM006426 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7E1ST3s006424 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:29 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308132128.29386.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7E1Sqah015704 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 13 August 2003 07:09 pm, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > At 09:39 PM 8/12/03 -0400, Cathy wrote: > >My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's > >because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be part > > of, SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a > >oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't > > involved with science fiction fandom. > > I hadn't thought about that aspect. It's very possible that's at least a > contributing factor. A number of programmers that I know also work > at the local Renaissance festival (with LOTS of costumes) because they > were drawn into the "role-playing" aspect after getting started in > Dungeons & Dragons. That's interesting. I played D&D myself, but it didn't inspire me to costume--I was interested in costume before I'd ever heard of D&D. Though I admit live action roleplaying games give me some great excuses to make particular costumes.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 21:31:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Vb0h012940 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:31:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1UbdD008258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Ubag016686; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1UTah016608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7E1UJXM006445 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7E1UFZE006443 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:15 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <002301c3619a$0e20e300$0f64a8c0@algx> In-Reply-To: <002301c3619a$0e20e300$0f64a8c0@algx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308132130.15084.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7E1UTah016608 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 13 August 2003 08:54 am, Cyn Bucheger wrote: > > My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's > > because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be > > part of, > SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a > > oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't > > involved with science fiction fandom. > > I would suggest that it is because computer programmers and costumers are > use to thinking outside of the box... Could be. I like this explanation--and I find it more plausible than Catherine Kinsey's suggestion that there are a lot of ex-SF fen on this list. While it's clear there are certainly some, I suspect that it's far from a majority. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 21:35:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1Zb0h012952 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1YYdD008502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1YXag018920; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E1YNah018833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7E1Y5XM006488 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:34:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7E1Y098006486 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:34:00 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:34:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308132134.00103.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7E1YNah018833 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 13 August 2003 09:17 am, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I think it might be a little more accurate to say many of us are not > involved in SF fandom anymore. I know it is one of the places I started > stretching my costuming wings. As I said to Cyn, I'm sure that's true of a number of list members, but I doubt it's a very large number (unless you know something I don't?) :-) >The ST:WoK radiation suit made for a > roommate who was a rabid Scotty fan comes to mind among other things :). > Their costumes must have been very poorly made for the show because > when Jimmy Doohan saw it he said he thought it was better done that > his! Neat; I wish I had seen it. > > I never got into the latex mask part of it however, which seemed to get > big after Star Wars, may have been why I then drifted more full-time > into historic costuming. I've never been big on experimenting with latex or fiberglass (two big substances in fannish SF costumes) myself. Though there's always the "huge fabric wings and gemmed gowns" school of fantasy costuming, too..... -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 22:59:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2xl0h013076 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:59:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2wXdD014907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2wSQn008223; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2wPQn008200 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-242-56.rev.o1.com ([66.81.242.56]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19n8Jk-00020I-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:58:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:43:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] [2] Applique documentation? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:58 AM -0400 8/12/03, Five Rivers wrote: > I think you will find that extant works tend to have a >predominance of less than slippery fabric. Even sarcenet has a bit of tooth. >And certainly wool/silk blends have a bit of tooth that is wonderful when >employing applique. So perhaps it's more a question of choice of fabric from >an historical perspective than one of technique. > >[snip] > In all the reproduction and interpretive work I do I use period >techniques and immerse myself in historic mindset as much as I'm able, >whether it's an interpretive Celtic piece, opus anglicanum, Elizabethan, >Baroque or Regency. I have found their techniques, for the most part, work >extremely well, while I've found using modern 'fixes' and 'helps' often to >be not only expensive and time consuming, but frustrating because I'm not >able to achieve that 'lost artifact' look for which I'm searching and try to >imbue in my pieces. Thanks -- this is very helpful information! I'll take a different approach in my article, then, and say that glue is a more modern technique. I understand what you're saying -- my Laurel (SCA "mentor") has me well trained to try the period methods first, and as you say they very often are easier and faster. Unfortunately applique just doesn't seem to be one of my talents, whatever the material -- I have trouble making wool on wool come out smooth and unrippled, never mind silk. I suppose it's not helped by my tendency to use motifs with a lot of curved and bias edges. If you or anyone has information about whether paper or parchment underlay was used, however, I'd like to hear about it. I know such support was used behind fabric that was going to be heavily beaded, and it seems logical that such a backing would also stiffen and stabilize any appliques that were cut from light or very smooth fabric. I've used the technique with cotton broadcloth and it helps quite a lot. In most cases the motif is simply basted onto the paper with edges turned under, and when the applique stitching is done, the backing fabric can be slit and the paper removed. Interestingly, most of the readily available examples of applique I've found seem to be examples of _embroidery_ laid onto a background cloth, rather than of design being created by the application of plain cloth on cloth. There are some good Islamic examples of the latter, and a couple of "picture" textiles, but not as much as I would have expected. (And the stitching on some of them is incredibly sloppy! ) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 23:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E35r0h013091 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:05:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2xSdD014985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2xSQn008706; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f60.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E2x5Qn008450 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:59:00 -0700 Received: from 68.6.13.149 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:59:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.13.149] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:59:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 02:59:00.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[02FADE60:01C36210] Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is exactly what I was trying to say. I completely respect the time, energy and effort everyone who holds a degree has given towards studying and earning that goal. I was just trying to make that point that we need to give credence to all the people who choose an avenue of study and then whole heartedly pursue it... with or with out formal education. A goal is a goal is a goal. A goal of personal education is always worthwhile. I was trying not to make it sound hurtful, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. I just feel very strongly that we need to give all people who have studied hard to become great in their area of interest equal attention. Now back to costuming... :) jessica > >Um...sounded to me like Jessica was not saying that a university degree >means nothing, but rather was saying that not having a university degree >didn't necessarily make someone less qualified. > >Drea _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 13 23:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E3Ve0h013150 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E3URdD017162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E3UPQn026399; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m3.nyc.untd.com (m3.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7E3UNQn026323 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"MW/ewWa+Q2FG65sHxVDc3U2QTOJ8D94S2P96f+PfydrUfBxALU8B9w==">; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:29:55 PDT Received: (from btana@juno.com) by m3.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7HW4KSK; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:29:55 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:40:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Message-ID: <20030813.214004.828.0.btana@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-13,19-29,36,41-46 From: btana@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:34:00 -0400 Catherine Olanich Raymond writes: > > >The ST:WoK radiation suit made for a > > roommate who was a rabid Scotty fan comes to mind among other > things :). Their costumes must have been very poorly made for the show > because when Jimmy Doohan saw it he said he thought it was better done > that his! > > Neat; I wish I had seen it. > I can't remember.... oh yeah, I think it was Robert O'Reilly and J.G. Hertzler liked the look of some Klingon uniforms made by friends of mine. And they were at the ST: The Experience and saw one from the shows... reportedly they wouldn't hold up for a single ep. And I've also read that in one of my ST books somewhere, but I can't remember which one at the moment. > > > > I never got into the latex mask part of it however, which seemed > to get big after Star Wars, may have been why I then drifted more > full-time into historic costuming. > > I've never been big on experimenting with latex or fiberglass (two > big substances in fannish SF costumes) myself. > For what I've seen, in my area, I haven't seen alot of fiberglass, though I HAVE seen alot of vac-u-form stuff. I do quite a bit of latex work, making ridges... that reminds me, I also need to finish up demon horns for my youngest daughter... and once you have the mold for the latex, it's a piece of cake. But if every one has to be different, it can be QUITE time consuming, though it actually is quite easy. The sites below have pictures of my work. And since the subj is "what's your degree in"... no degree... just the school of hard knocks, which has made making Halloween costumes for the kids a creative process when you want something but don't have the money for materials. I started sewing for the kids about 10 years ago, but hadn't touched a machine for about 15 years prior to that. Astrid Never argue with a dragon, for thou art crunchy and go well with Brie. http://www.geocities.com/astridofthehorde - costumes I've made http://www.geocities.com/house_qul_mupwi - The noble Klingon House http://www.geocities.com/klingon_pirates_guild - The Klingon Pirate's Guild ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 00:03:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E43f0h013225 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:03:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E42gdD018936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E42es6013391; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E42as6013368 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip26.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.26]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316856EF2F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Very cool pics on Flemish Garb Group-was constructive criticism needed Message-ID: <3F3AA6F3.16679.7C939656@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001301c361ec$5a975870$6501a8c0@SG01> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately, you do have to join the yahoo group. Oh, well. > Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that Michaela has posted some > very cool pictures in the files secition on a sleeve construction for > the Breughel outter gowns...I now will go back and modify my > mockups....if you are interested and missed my earlier post (I know > many of you were at Pennsic) the group is now open to the public.... > > Sg > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Flemish_Garb/files/square%20sleeve%20hea > ds/ > > I am not sure if you have to join the group to view the files....since > it is an open group which requires no moderator approval. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 00:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E49S0h013231 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E48YdD019336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E48Xs6016702; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7E48Vs6016685 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip26.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.26]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BFE6F6DF for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:06:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [2] Applique documentation? Message-ID: <3F3AA853.17619.7C98F621@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If you or anyone has information about whether paper or parchment > underlay was used, however, I'd like to hear about it. I know such > support was used behind fabric that was going to be heavily beaded, > and it seems logical that such a backing would also stiffen and > stabilize any appliques that were cut from light or very smooth > fabric. I've used the technique with cotton broadcloth and it helps > quite a lot. In most cases the motif is simply basted onto the paper > with edges turned under, and when the applique stitching is done, the > backing fabric can be slit and the paper removed. You might want to write to the Royal Needlework School. They do a lot of conservation work on textiles/embroidery and might be able to give you more dates. (Since most embroidery books tell how it is done modernly but show only pictures of embroidery/applique without saying how it was done *then.*) > Interestingly, most of the readily available examples of applique I've > found seem to be examples of _embroidery_ laid onto a background > cloth, rather than of design being created by the application of plain > cloth on cloth. There are some good Islamic examples of the latter, > and a couple of "picture" textiles, but not as much as I would have > expected. (And the stitching on some of them is incredibly sloppy! > ) -- I have an extant piece of c.11th C Byzantine textile. The thing I like about it is that it has both woven-in designs as well as appliqued work on it. The applique appears to be a cut out from a previous woven piece which was then just turned under and stitched down. (And the stitching isn't particularly wonderful, but then it's not a museum quality piece either. Probably a "dish towel" as Mark always calls these pieces.) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 08:25:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ECPc0h019925 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ECOddD019916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ECO9Yb014045; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ECO7Yb013989 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp03486178pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net[68.86.79.197](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003081412240101400drk4oe> (Authid: lindajthompson); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3B8033.8060102@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:27:31 -0500 From: "Linda J. Thompson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dirndyl... thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn and Saragrace, I knew I had seen that method, someplace in one of my books... You saved me time digging through things tonight! Yay.. And I felt very strongly that the picture had to be a "modern" pattern.. it was just to polyester to be anything else. :D Thanks again all Linda Thompson Attitude Is Everything http://corsetsandcostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 09:37:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EDbu0h020021 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EDZvdD024558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EDZtKD023822; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EDZqKD023782 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:35:42 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could be. I like this explanation--and I find it more plausible than Catherine Kinsey's suggestion that there are a lot of ex-SF fen on this list. While it's clear there are certainly some, I suspect that it's far from a majority. -- Cathy Raymond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, not to quibble, but I guess I don't consider many to be a majority. And I realized I tend to lump fantasy & SF together so in my head I was thinking a broader pool of candidates. I was definately interested in costuming before my involvement with F/SF, and renfaires. Being able to sew got me tapped by a lot of my friends to make them costumes for these activities which, while I learned a lot in the process, would not always have been my first choice for a particular project. I"m starting to get stubborn in my old age, but still haven't learned to say 'no' enough to keep time for the projects I really want to do, like that flemish garb for which the linen and wool has been setting on the shelf for a year...... Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 11:04:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EF470h020184 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EF3AdD002039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EF39GJ028331; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EF37GJ028241 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m34.in-tch.com [216.166.191.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7EEhJI09711 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3BA51D.C9B2FCFF@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:05:01 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I happen to be a historical costumer and a SF/fantasy fan, but I think it's coincidence in my case, since I was never really involved in Cons or RenFaires or anything of an organized sort in either area before I joined the SCA, which is when I started going whole hog with the historical costuming. I've sewn or embroidered or worked with my hands since before I learned to read, and then when I discovered books, I read *everything* and very, very early on picked up a love of historical stuff and fantasy, myths, and what I now call "speculative fiction," meaning anything from the Brothers Grimm to Charles de Lint to William Gibson..... It was only when I discovered my local SCA group that the two threads kinda merged for me--the folks who'd started my local group were largely SF fen, so in the early years there was a fair overlap. I adore the amazing costumes and fantasy stuff I've seen folks do (Teddy's Tanu costume comes immediately to mind), but never felt the urge to do it myself. Now, give me (on the other hand) a few sheep, the right weeds, the right tools, and a few years to get my act together, and I *will* have my own hand-made 12th c. gown! --sue, taking a break from packing.... Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > well, not to quibble, but I guess I don't consider many to be a > majority. And I realized I tend to lump fantasy & SF together so in my > head I was thinking a broader pool of candidates. > > I was definately interested in costuming before my involvement with > F/SF, and renfaires. Being able to sew got me tapped by a lot of my > friends to make them costumes for these activities which, while I > learned a lot in the process, would not always have been my first choice > for a particular project. I"m starting to get stubborn in my old age, > but still haven't learned to say 'no' enough to keep time for the > projects I really want to do, like that flemish garb for which the linen > and wool has been setting on the shelf for a year...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 14:55:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EIs30h020719 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:54:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EIqRdD008957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EIqFk8012912; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EIqAk8012786 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nNCj-0002Tu-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:52:09 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] List down again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or is it just quiet...am I the only one that writes about it? I must get a life! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 14 15:37:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJb70h020781 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:37:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJa1dD016376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJa0NT026250; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJZtNT026085 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m47.in-tch.com [216.166.191.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7EJG8I14285 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:37:52 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quiet, I think. My life is pretty chaotic right now, or I'd probably be posting. Maybe we should start a new thread.... hmmm..... hmmmm....... Okay, everybody.... If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... --sue "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: > > Or is it just quiet...am I the only one that writes about it? I must get a > life! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAvrQ2003025 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2r1dD028701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2o4aJ021405; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2o2aJ021384 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJN0097T3V9J8@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:37:29 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] scots/celtic/fantasy type costume In-reply-to: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EBA@sagemsg0013.sagem smrd01.sa.gov.au> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814193346.02f0d818@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Rebecca, The Scottish women's clothes are hard to find, because they always talk about the arasaid, but I haven't found much to describe what they wore _under_ the arasaid. But there are fall backs for a Celtic woman's gown. Try these sites: http://medievalscotland.org/clothing/project.shtml http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish/shinrone.html http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/womensleine.htm Someday I will get my act together to finish my costuming web site, with links like this and pics of the celtic garb I have done as well. But those above should give you some good ideas on what is available. Good luck! Kimiko At 09:54 AM 8/15/2003 +0930, you wrote: >Hi: >A friend of mine is having a wedding in about 6 weeks, with a celtic >(dominantly scottish I think) theme. I've looked around to find national >costumes, medieval dress in Scotland, etc., and discovered that info on what >women wore is scare! (Yummy men's stuff though...) >So, any recommendations on books, patterns, websites...? >It doesn't have to be an "I have just stepped out of a picture frame" look, >just recognisably celtic-ish... >Thanks, >Rebecca Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAvrQ2003024 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdJ028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAfUwl002447; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAfRwl002423 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p19-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.207.147] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19nc1M-0008Nz-00; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:41:25 +1200 Message-ID: <000e01c36319$c4e1f220$93cfadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815072744.27457.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partletquestion Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:41:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If anyone is interested I could upload them temporarily onto my site (they are > huge, but I don't have time to crop them or do anything with them, I have them > on my HD for study purposes). > So, are people interested? I for one would be extremely interested:) When I was at the V&A there wasn't a heck of a lot of early stuff out. There was a large display of paper costumes though... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAvrQ4003025 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2lOdD028334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2hsaJ018228; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2h0aK017725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F2gtXM009038 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:43:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F2gso8009036 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:42:54 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:42:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142242.54248.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F2h0aK017725 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 09:35 am, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > well, not to quibble, but I guess I don't consider many to be a > majority. Oh, why not quibble? The rest of us do. :-) I guess my problem with "many" is that I seem to remember that H-costume has hundreds of members, and I haven't seen much evidence that most of them (or even most of the active posters) have SF fannish ties. Though I could be wrong.... >And I realized I tend to lump fantasy & SF together so in my > head I was thinking a broader pool of candidates. That's a good point. > I was definately interested in costuming before my involvement with > F/SF, and renfaires. So was I. I was interested in costuming before I even learned there *was* such a thing as SF fandom. Or even before I knew about D&D. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:59:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAx8Q2003035 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdL028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F8ZWZS015032; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F8TQZS012586 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-64-175-33-6.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.33.6])h7F8TOoN001182 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:29:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030815011720.058d8dd0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:19:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit In-Reply-To: <200308142203.07413.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > >I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I >*do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy >Viking wardrobe. Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:59:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAx8Q2003036 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdN028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F8TTZS012615; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F8TRZS012598 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-64-175-33-6.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.33.6])h7F8TOoP001182 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030815012119.058dac80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:21:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe In-Reply-To: <3F3C628B.98759885@charter.net> References: <015001c362cd$a7d0c2c0$bef44bab@Dan> <008601c362e0$c2c829c0$f90377d8@w7m1l6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I meant a group dominated by females, not entirely comprised of them. >:o) >Cheers, >Joe Dominated? But Joe, it's not THAT kind of group... ;) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:59:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAx9Q2003039 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdP028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F7aZjE016303; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7F7RojE012325 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030815072744.27457.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:27:44 BST Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:27:44 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003d01c362dd$b48f98f0$bfd2adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wnated to say that I have a load of photos of the smocks in the V&A and actually everything else which was worth taking photos of in the British Galleries . I took over 400 photos durin my last visit - and the next visit is due with even more memory cards next Saturday. If anyone is interested I could upload them temporarily onto my site (they are huge, but I don't have time to crop them or do anything with them, I have them on my HD for study purposes). So, are people interested? Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:59:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAx9Q2003045 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:59:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdT028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F6lxOS022783; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav108.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.138]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F6luOS022690 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:47:51 -0700 Received: from 66.123.52.96 by bay4-dav108.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:47:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.123.52.96] X-Originating-Email: [ysandra8@msn.com] From: "ysandra sliverneedle" To: References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8V014511@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:47:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 06:47:51.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[25759EF0:01C362F9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Golden Dress of Denmark X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7FAx9Q2003045 Status: RO Many thanks for the great leads for this dress. As it happened I picked up the costume book mentioned at the Costume College a week or so ago. If you ever get a chance to come to one of these events - let me tell you we really enjoyed ourselves. AND we didn't even get into any of the limited classes. We joined the guild too late to meet the limited class deadline. SO word to the wise join and register early for next years event. Theme is the "Gay 90's" I already have my dressed picked out and fabric as well!! Hope everyone is cooling off a bit. Ysandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 06:59:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAx9Q2003042 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:59:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdR028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F74MjE000380; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F74HjE000331 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.181]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h7F7SYB09852 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:28:34 +1000 Message-ID: <022301c362fb$f5b50360$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:06:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Detling Military Odyssey, UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, Wayne and I are definitely attending the Detling Military Odyssey on the Saturday, after a week of touring around the South East of England. I'd love to visit with other H-Costumers who will be there. If anyone who's going can tell me which group you'll be with - I'll try to find you. This will be the first reenactment event I've been to as a 'punter' since about 1985, and I don't know that Wayne's ever done this - he's been reenacting since the age of 14. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0VQ2003057 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdV028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F50fXa029879; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt26.cluster1.charter.net (remt26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4YS9e016572 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.184.181.109] (HELO charter.net) by remt26.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 119829345 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3F3C628B.98759885@charter.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:33:15 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe References: <015001c362cd$a7d0c2c0$bef44bab@Dan> <008601c362e0$c2c829c0$f90377d8@w7m1l6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I meant a group dominated by females, not entirely comprised of them. :o) Cheers, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0VQ2003060 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdX028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4jL9e022210; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.16.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4Tv9f014123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-193.sonic.net [209.148.112.193]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7F4TooF019928 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:29:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030814213000.00b13e48@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:32:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linthicum's date of death In-Reply-To: <001101c362de$102c3420$bb1c77d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 PM 8/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to work out if "Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his >Contemporaries" by M. Channing Linthicum published in 1936 is out of >copyright or not. Would any of you happen to know when Marie Linthicum >died? Any evidence that she died before 1946 would be most appreciated, >lies are okay too.....oh no, just kidding. I think this website would be helpful to you: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ22.html This is the US government's site on searching the Copyright Office's records. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0VQ2003061 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdZ028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4PJ9e011465; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4Lw9e009733 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-007neomahp195.dialsprint.net ([63.178.246.107] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nW68-0005JQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:21:57 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030814231504.0300cbb8@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:21:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200308150146.h7F1kURg017425@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine (ours) is something I've mentioned before, and it WILL get done.....someday. It's the Titania and Oberon, from "Midsummer Night's Dream", done as full court Elizabethans. The underpinnings and shapes will be as close as we can make them (Thanks, Margo, for creating the patterns!!), even though the fabrics won't be historical. We have about 40 yds of black velvet with gold glitter roses on it for the main gown/doublet/slops/etc. Don't know yet what the forepart will be, but I have some iridescent white sheer that I could bead the heck out of. Then of course there will be the huge glittery sheer faerie wings, crowns, etc. And re: guys on the list, don't forget Stephen. Sandy >From: "Sue Clemenger" > > > > Okay, everybody.... > > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0WQ2003064 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdb028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4Ue9e014576; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt21.cluster1.charter.net (remt21.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F4No9e010687 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.184.181.109] (HELO charter.net) by remt21.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 123732073 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3F3C600E.9E85B2D9@charter.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:22:38 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Joe's comment about h-costume References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> <200308142239.51587.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are hilarious! I'm afraid I belong to the uniform set, as well. Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0WQ2003069 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdd028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F49k9e002998; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt29.cluster1.charter.net (remt29.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F44A9e000252 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.184.181.109] (HELO charter.net) by remt29.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 110409147 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3F3C5B71.5B7F676F@charter.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:02:58 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scots/celtic/fantasy type costume References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814193346.02f0d818@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there a particular time period they are trying to target? I might be able to point you the right direction. Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0XQ2003070 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdf028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F43x9e000186; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3sdVj025503 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-249.jps.net ([216.119.3.249] helo=w7m1l6) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nVfi-0000U2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: <008601c362e0$c2c829c0$f90377d8@w7m1l6> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <015001c362cd$a7d0c2c0$bef44bab@Dan> <008901c362ce$c9c323e0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac0175e62059bacab529dbe9d259af4ddb1f38c8fdf0388dd7c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And when Did I become one of the Girls? Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe > I really miss RL Shep. He was such a wonderful mentor to me through the > years. Does anyone have an update on him. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0XQ2003076 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdj028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3VYVj013897; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3VVVj013866 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p191-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.191] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19nVJJ-0001h0-00; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:31:30 +1200 Message-ID: <003d01c362dd$b48f98f0$bfd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030814211245.02dcab20@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:31:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Having seen the portrait in real life, I don't think it is a partlet but an > embroidered shirt. There is a shirts and smocks article by Janet Arnold > that has a layout for a similar one IIRC. There is also a women's shirt in > the V&A that is embroidered through the chest and sleeve areas like this > one would be. Hooray:) Someone else on this wavelength;) There are heaps of shifts with embroidery on the top half as well as the sleeves, most that I've seen are rather sparcely decorated (stripes etc) but that one you mention is also at Drea's site, I'm sure I posted these just recently to the list... http://costume.dm.net/va/smocks.html Theses are allover though... http://costume.dm.net/bath/ Collar and fronts decorated Other views: http://costume.dm.net/chemise.html No bands, but a nice shirt nonethelesss http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/renaissance.html And I just found one last night.. I'll copy from my dress diary thingy: Just when you think you are staring to unterstand a certain era you go and find something like this: English Woman's Smock: http://emu.man.ac.uk/wagcustom/Display.php?irn=19688&QueryPage=%2Fwagcustom% 252%0DFDtlQuery.php I swear that looks more like it came out of the 1960s with those rainbows and freeform design... The really covered ones are low necked to be sure, but still, it does show they were indeed capable of being well less washable than most shifts would seem to be. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0XQ2003073 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdh028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3b5Vj016508; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3WiVj014545 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-28-187.o1.jps.net ([216.119.28.187] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nVKV-0005Q0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c362de$102c3420$bb1c77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:33:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Linthicum's date of death X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7FB0XQ2003073 Status: RO I'm trying to work out if "Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his Contemporaries" by M. Channing Linthicum published in 1936 is out of copyright or not. Would any of you happen to know when Marie Linthicum died? Any evidence that she died before 1946 would be most appreciated, lies are okay too.....oh no, just kidding. Thanks bunches, Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB0YQ2003079 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FAtkdl028183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3PAVj010463; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F3P7Vj010434 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJN000H95HUYA@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:12:43 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in In-reply-to: <200308142242.54248.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814200221.02ec7be0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been doing catchup with this list, but I thought I would make a small comment on this topic. My college degree was a BS in Business Admin, Option in Accountancy. How I wish I had followed my dad's advice and went for something with a Liberal Arts major or something, because I hate accounting! At least it gave me a strong understanding of business which I will need. Thankfully, I am now a full time mom, with a husband who supports my love of costuming and desire to make that a part time business. And on the side topic generated... I loved AD&D, having started in '78 with the original rules. I got into Ren Faires in '87, where I realized my love of sewing had a wonderful benefit if only I could figure out costuming. Enjoyed doing faires as a Scot until '98, and have returned this year to do English nobility. I have enjoyed many years of costuming, had a brief stint in the SCA (and may return someday), enjoyed many years of LARPing from '98 to '02, and am now dabbling in art to wear. I have never done a SciFi/Fantasy con, except to actually game or larp, and might ponder getting involved doing more fantasy type costumes. I also enjoy web design and graphic arts, and my hubby is a computer network engineer, who has been involved in most of the activities I have done, tho not as long a time. And now it is time for our nightly walk. Good night all. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:05:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB5FQ2003096 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMZKdD008076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMZE8r014101; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMZA8r013967 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.25.72]) by mta01ps.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HJM0079VRUAKF@mta01ps.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:30:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from cwpp-p-203-54-206-187.prem.tmns.net.au ([203.54.206.187]) by psmam02.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2c 74/14078014); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:30:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:30:04 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ultimate costume was List down again? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <006501c362b3$9cbb1440$bbce36cb@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? > > Okay, everybody.... > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > I think I'd just settle for getting everything on my 'to-do' list done, so I could start in on the more ambitious stuff. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:05:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB5FQ4003096 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMMSdD006821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMML8r003836; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMMC8r003674 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003081422220701100qilb8e>; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:22:07 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3C0B93.8050304@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:22:11 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308122139.04990.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did play D&D in highschool, and then I got into SF fandom in college. I usually did historically inspired costumes (no giant wings or latex here) and got the "are you in the SCA" question a lot. I did end up in the SCA. I've also done a little computer stuff. Hmm. And, I am finishing up my BA in the spring, and heading to grad school next. So, only an AA in math/science so far. liz young Jean Waddie wrote: > I don't know how it comes about, but there's a big circular SF - > costuming - re-enactment - military history - miniature wargaming - > roleplaying - computer programming thingy. You tend to find a lot of > crossover between those interests. I centre in re-enactment, and most > of the people I know there also do one or more of the others. Some of > the links are obvious, some less so. > > Jean > > > Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote > >> At 09:39 PM 8/12/03 -0400, Cathy wrote: >> >>> My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say >>> that's >>> because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be >>> part of, >>> SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a >>> oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't >>> involved >>> with science fiction fandom. >> >> >> I hadn't thought about that aspect. It's very possible that's at least a >> contributing factor. A number of programmers that I know also work >> at the local Renaissance festival (with LOTS of costumes) because they >> were drawn into the "role-playing" aspect after getting started in >> Dungeons & Dragons. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB7LQ2003101 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2hmdD028067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2dlaJ015935; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2dgaK015863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F2dqXM009020 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:39:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F2dp3d009018 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:39:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Joe's comment about h-costume Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:39:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142239.51587.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F2dgaK015863 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 04:53 pm, Joe Robertson wrote: > I feel sort of like an outsider here...a male in a female dominated > group. At any rate, I am here and glad to be here and I LOVE historical > clothing. I am building a wardrobe as we speak. If you were female, Joe, I suspect you would have the experience of being the "outsider" in a special interest group a lot more often. :-) The other special interest list in which I participate regularly is the General Technics list. GT specializes in science, technology and SF and is male-dominated. Yet in some ways, it reminds me a lot of h-costume Obligatory costume content. GT has a kind of informal uniform; jeans, with a black polo shirt bearing the "GT" emblem (occasional group orders are put in with Lands' End). Speaking of Lands' End, their current catalogue has a cute comic which spoofs the company's traditional advertising style by applying it to historic costume from various periods. Example: "The Essential Toga: At last, a toga that FITS! No annoying sash slippage, no fabric that bunches in all the wrong places. Just a simple, flattering cut that works for EVERYONE. Now with pockets!" :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FB7LQ4003101 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2bOdD027644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2XNaJ012193; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2XEaK012085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F2XPXM009003 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:33:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F2XPOG009001 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:33:25 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:33:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142233.25125.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F2XEaK012085 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 06:10 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: > I don't know how it comes about, but there's a big circular SF - > costuming - re-enactment - military history - miniature wargaming - > roleplaying - computer programming thingy. You tend to find a lot of > crossover between those interests. I centre in re-enactment, and most > of the people I know there also do one or more of the others. Some of > the links are obvious, some less so. > [snip] It's interesting that you say that, Jean. My husband would agree with you. He's also participated in all the interests you named above, except for costuming and reenactment (unless you count his occasional participation in the SCA....) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:12:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBCPQ2003108 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:12:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2DfdD025726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2AHaJ029514; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F2ADaJ029490 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7F2ABrw024701 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:10:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030814211245.02dcab20@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:14:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814202209.00bdf868@incoming.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Having seen the portrait in real life, I don't think it is a partlet but an embroidered shirt. There is a shirts and smocks article by Janet Arnold that has a layout for a similar one IIRC. There is also a women's shirt in the V&A that is embroidered through the chest and sleeve areas like this one would be. Cheers, Danielle At 08:22 PM 8/14/2003 -0400, you wrote: >How does one make a partlet like this? > >http://costume.dm.net/gallery/1569.html > >Thanks in advance. > >Genie B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBCPQ4003108 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:12:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F28jdD025400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F24iaJ026660; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F24QaK026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F23fXM008821 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:04:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F237RL008817 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:03:07 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:03:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142203.07413.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F24QaK026553 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 03:37 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Quiet, I think. > My life is pretty chaotic right now, or I'd probably be posting. > Maybe we should start a new thread.... > hmmm..... > hmmmm....... > Okay, everybody.... > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all > get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without > blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk > velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I *do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy Viking wardrobe. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:17:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBHIQ2003116 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMAtdD005565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMAm8r023523; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EMAg8r023433 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19nQIr-000IDS-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:10:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308122139.04990.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know how it comes about, but there's a big circular SF - costuming - re-enactment - military history - miniature wargaming - roleplaying - computer programming thingy. You tend to find a lot of crossover between those interests. I centre in re-enactment, and most of the people I know there also do one or more of the others. Some of the links are obvious, some less so. Jean Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote >At 09:39 PM 8/12/03 -0400, Cathy wrote: >>My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say that's >>because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be part of, >>SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's a >>oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't involved >>with science fiction fandom. > >I hadn't thought about that aspect. It's very possible that's at least a >contributing factor. A number of programmers that I know also work >at the local Renaissance festival (with LOTS of costumes) because they >were drawn into the "role-playing" aspect after getting started in >Dungeons & Dragons. > >Sheryl N-D > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:19:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQ2003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1IxdD021380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1ExRf028092; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m3.nyc.untd.com (m3.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7F1EtRf028006 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"MW/ewWa+Q2FG65sHxVDc3ap2h4ekB04R9iup/m9ipv//E7mlNaLZag==">; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:14:09 PDT Received: (from btana@juno.com) by m3.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7K9QPME; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:14:09 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:23:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] was what's your degree in? Message-ID: <20030814.192314.1124.0.btana@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13,15-20,23-26,28-30 From: btana@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:59:31 -0500 "Genie" writes: > Ladies, > please change the subject line > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:40 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in > > > easy. The sites below have pictures of my work. > > And since the subj is "what's your degree in"... no degree... > > just the school of hard knocks, which has made making Halloween > costumes for the kids a creative process when you want something but don't > have the money for materials. I started sewing for the kids about 10 > years ago, but hadn't touched a machine for about 15 years prior to > that. You'll notice that I DID fit it into the subject line of the message, although it was at the end of my email, it was still there. Thank you very much for reading the WHOLE email and noticing. Astrid of the Horde Never argue with a dragon, for thou art crunchy and go well with Brie. http://www.geocities.com/tul_juriss - for links to ALL my current sites http://www.geocities.com/astridofthehorde - costumes I've made http://www.geocities.com/house_qul_mupwi - The noble Klingon House http://www.geocities.com/klingon_pirates_guild - The Klingon Pirate's Guild ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:19:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQ4003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1kIdD023732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1gARf014333; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1g4Rf014123 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA6610100090; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:41:58 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA62900248; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c362ce$c9c323e0$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <015001c362cd$a7d0c2c0$bef44bab@Dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:44:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really miss RL Shep. He was such a wonderful mentor to me through the years. Does anyone have an update on him. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQ6003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1cPdD022613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1YURf008496; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1YMRf008402 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.244.190.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.244.190] helo=Dan) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nTTx-00086R-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <015001c362cd$a7d0c2c0$bef44bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:36:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And Teddy. I miss hearing from Teddy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > There is also Mike T. and Albert Cat. > > And on-and-off members Teddy, Henk, and Marc, who come in and out > depending on time and mood. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:23:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQ8003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1XndD022327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1TmRf005713; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1TDRg005410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F0ncXM008701 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:50:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F0nXHe008699 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:49:33 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:49:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142049.33626.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F1TDRg005410 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 04:00 pm, Saragrace T. Knauf wrote: > Gosh, this isn't easy for me....I guess I have too many dream > thingys...wait, wait, it is coming to me again! > > I wish for a man in my life that looks just like this guy so I can make > this outfit for him! http://www.saragrace.net/4B_1_Ital_dandy.html > > He wouldn't even have to pay me! Very sexy.... Oh, you mean the guy. He's cute, but I prefer slender dark-haired men myself.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:23:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQA003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0amdD017798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0aht4005678; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0aet4005616 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB12132C00E6; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:36:34 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB0E43024A; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c362c5$a6757220$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:39:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:23:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBJvQC003121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0ZXdD017723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0ZQt4004981; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0ZOt4004914 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAC6132800E6; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:35:18 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAC32A023C; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c362c5$79be4d60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:37:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBSxQ2003170 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKDudD021350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKDtLl003724; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7EKDmLl003522 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWn3ijuVCs0CvPp77HGGEoB/DEpglP1ROyQ==">; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:12:47 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7KQGVCV; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:12:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:11:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? Message-ID: <20030814.161155.-223477.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne - even your dream garb is fabulous! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBSxQ4003170 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK9cdD020549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK9aLl029180; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK9WLl029100 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nOPa-0003dg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:09:32 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:09:31 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c3629f$fa135940$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7EK9WLl029100 Subject: [h-cost] FW: Dream Garb-was: List down again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just realized something after staring at this picture all these years. The brown part of the collar is the animal's tail...Ferrets don't have a fluffy tail do they? -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace T. Knauf [mailto:saragrace@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Dream Garb-was: List down again? Gosh, this isn't easy for me....I guess I have too many dream thingys...wait, wait, it is coming to me again! I wish for a man in my life that looks just like this guy so I can make this outfit for him! http://www.saragrace.net/4B_1_Ital_dandy.html He wouldn't even have to pay me! Sg Sigh...., I've been waiting so long....... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBSxQ6003170 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:29:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EL4GdD027214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EL4F9B022199; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EL4B9B022129 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJM000BONUY7G@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:51:46 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? In-reply-to: <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814135052.00af83b8@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:53 PM 8/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I feel sort of like an outsider here...a male in a female dominated >group. At any rate, I am here and glad to be here and I LOVE historical >clothing. I am building a wardrobe as we speak. >Slainte, >Joe >-- So, Joe, what are you working on now? I read you are into the celtic stuff, and I enjoy that style as well. Many years of doing Scots for local ren faires. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBSxQ8003170 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:29:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELdTdD001780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELdR9B024810; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hiram.io.com (root@hiram.io.com [199.170.88.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELdO9B024772 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.io.com (IDENT:AvyLSZMEfOEo/gralO3r30qj4UVV/jKL@columbia.io.com [199.170.88.107]) by hiram.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7ELcpL21943 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:38:51 -0500 Received: from io.com (webmail [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7ELdiAN003591 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:39:44 -0500 Received: from 199.50.29.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:39:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43673.199.50.29.40.1060897184.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:39:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe From: "Chiara" To: In-Reply-To: <001501c362a9$7542c110$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> <001501c362a9$7542c110$6501a8c0@SG01> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really Joe, you are not alone. I remember an few actors joining the list a while back just to do research for their roles before a show was to start either for stage, TV, or a movie. :) Your in Dallas right? We have a clothier' guild that meets in Carrollton once a month that you are more than welcome to meet up with us if you like. Sorry I have not posted earlier I have kinda been swamped with a new job. :) Email me for more details if you like. :) Chiara > Joe! Don't feel funny...Bjarne is one of our most delightful > contributors...we LIKE men in historical clothing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Joe Robertson > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:54 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? > > > I feel sort of like an outsider here...a male in a female dominated > group. At any rate, I am here and glad to be here and I LOVE historical > clothing. I am building a wardrobe as we speak. Slainte, Joe > --- > Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQ2003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1A1eB020751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F14BRf021843; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F12RRf020447 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-119-247.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.119.247]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7F12PeE007460 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030814175154.00b39018@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:59:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? In-Reply-To: <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:37 PM 8/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Quiet, I think. >My life is pretty chaotic right now, or I'd probably be posting. >Maybe we should start a new thread.... >hmmm..... >hmmmm....... >Okay, everybody.... >If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 >years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all >get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without >blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk >velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... >--sue This week's fantasy: a perfect 1908 suit to go with a perfect 1908 hat. ;-) Cream-colored tropical weight gabardine, with bands of darker wool to serve as the trim. A slightly longer than finger-tip jacket, with a cutaway front, and an ankle-length skirt that matches the jacket in trim and cut. A white linen lawn blouse to wear underneath, and the perfect shoes. When I get this finished (and I will!), I'm going to have my picture taken at an historic home in Los Angeles to mimic a photo I have of the original owner's wife, as I'm wearing her suit. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQ4003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F1DcdD021053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F19bRf025271; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F19ZRf025239 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.244.190.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.244.190] helo=Dan) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nT5y-0000tM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00ce01c362ca$313b6dc0$bef44bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308062027.56221.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030806080033.009fa800@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3.0.6.32.20030812192345.00bca3d0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:11:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margo, having met you and seen your work, you have nothing to feel inferior about. Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: "Historical Costume" ; "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's your degree in? > At 08:52 PM 08/06/2003 -0500, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > >>Actually, I've been having a bit of an inferiority complex here--my degrees > >>seem so staid and mundane, compared to the marvelous combinations being > >>displayed by other members of the list. > > > >My favorites so far have been the law degree, the physics and the chemistry. > > I think we have and MD or two lurking around here, as well. > > As for me, well, I'm the proud holder of a high school equivanlency > certificate..And I've done all right for myself in costuming. > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > > www.margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQ6003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0WRdD017536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0WLt4003198; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0WIt4003179 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17920 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:59:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:59:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe In-Reply-To: <003701c362c4$14d4ac60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Penny Ladnier wrote: > There is also Mike T. and Albert Cat. And on-and-off members Teddy, Henk, and Marc, who come in and out depending on time and mood. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQ8003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0i7dD018564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0i0t4009728; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0hut4009679 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.180]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id h7F18CB27376 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:08:12 +1000 Message-ID: <004701c362c6$d44145c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004201c3629f$fa135940$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Dream Garb-was: List down again? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:42:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a former ferret owner myself ... They have full, hairy tails. They're not as fluffy as a rabbits, though. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] FW: Dream Garb-was: List down again? > > I just realized something after staring at this picture all these years. The > brown part of the collar is the animal's tail...Ferrets don't have a fluffy > tail do they? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQA003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0O5dD016878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0Nxt4028648; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0Ntt4028590 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from the-new-beast.jb-av.com ([141.153.206.224]) by pop015.verizon.netESMTP <20030815002350.YLJZ29447.pop015.verizon.net@the-new-beast.jb-av.com> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:23:50 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030814202209.00bdf868@incoming.verizon.net> X-Sender: margeneb@incoming.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:22:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.153.206.224] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:23:49 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How does one make a partlet like this? http://costume.dm.net/gallery/1569.html Thanks in advance. Genie B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQC003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F01udD015372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F01jt4016461; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F01gt4016430 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p162-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.162] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19nS2C-0000KJ-00; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:01:38 +1200 Message-ID: <004101c362c0$5e223990$a2c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Constructive criticism needed-links and note to Jean Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:59:38 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Right, now I understand what you're saying. No, this wasn't because of > problems or security or anything. I decided to take the time to > actually make up a "personal" website, so there was a framework there > that I can place any pictures in that I want to show h-costume folk, or > others. I wanted to add the book's publication details to these two > images, and the easiest way to do that seemed to be to make a new > document with the links in. And when you put links in a document, it's > usual (I think?) to use a name with the hyperlink "hidden", rather than > just list the link. Yes but you made a .doc file not an html file. You can't click links in a doc file (at least those of us without word can't). If it was an html file, the standard file for the web, everyone could have used the links. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQG003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0PUdD017033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0PTt4029479; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0PRt4029423 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A870130200E6; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:25:20 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A86C3F0248; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c362c4$14d4ac60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c362a9$7542c110$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Message to Joe Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:27:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQI003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0GodD016368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0Ght4024652; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0Gbt5024613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7F0GKXM008488 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:16:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7F0GElk008484 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:16:14 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:16:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308142016.14438.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7F0Gbt5024613 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 August 2003 02:52 pm, Saragrace T. Knauf wrote: > Or is it just quiet...am I the only one that writes about it? I must get a > life! It is quiet at the moment. I have a few items, but not much. Unless there's posts neither of us are getting. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBWNQE003188 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:32:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0PCdD017008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0P6t4029276; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0P3t4029190 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7F0OsNC011876 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:54:54 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14])(8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7F0OsiE011865 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:54:54 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:54:54 +0930 Message-ID: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EBA@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:54:46 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [h-cost] scots/celtic/fantasy type costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi: A friend of mine is having a wedding in about 6 weeks, with a celtic (dominantly scottish I think) theme. I've looked around to find national costumes, medieval dress in Scotland, etc., and discovered that info on what women wore is scare! (Yummy men's stuff though...) So, any recommendations on books, patterns, websites...? It doesn't have to be an "I have just stepped out of a picture frame" look, just recognisably celtic-ish... Thanks, Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBiXQ2003238 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F13edD020215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F10pRf019603; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7F0vNRf017500 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:57:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.244.190.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.244.190] helo=Dan) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nSuA-0006Im-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401c362c8$7d17d140$bef44bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030813.214004.828.0.btana@juno.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:59:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] was what's your degree in? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ladies, please change the subject line ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:34:00 -0400 Catherine Olanich Raymond > writes: > > > > >The ST:WoK radiation suit made for a > > > roommate who was a rabid Scotty fan comes to mind among other > > things :). Their costumes must have been very poorly made for the show > > > because when Jimmy Doohan saw it he said he thought it was better done > > that his! > > > > Neat; I wish I had seen it. > > > > I can't remember.... oh yeah, I think it was Robert O'Reilly and > J.G. Hertzler liked the look of some Klingon uniforms made by friends of > mine. And they were at the ST: The Experience and saw one from the > shows... reportedly they wouldn't hold up for a single ep. And > I've also read that in one of my ST books somewhere, but I can't remember > which one at the moment. > > > > > > > I never got into the latex mask part of it however, which seemed > > to get big after Star Wars, may have been why I then drifted more > > full-time into historic costuming. > > > > I've never been big on experimenting with latex or fiberglass (two > > big substances in fannish SF costumes) myself. > > > > For what I've seen, in my area, I haven't seen alot of > fiberglass, though I HAVE seen alot of vac-u-form stuff. I do quite a > bit of latex work, making ridges... that reminds me, I also need to > finish up demon horns for my youngest daughter... and once you have the > mold for the latex, it's a piece of cake. But if every one has to be > different, it can be QUITE time consuming, though it actually is quite > easy. The sites below have pictures of my work. > And since the subj is "what's your degree in"... no degree... > just the school of hard knocks, which has made making Halloween costumes > for the kids a creative process when you want something but don't have > the money for materials. I started sewing for the kids about 10 years > ago, but hadn't touched a machine for about 15 years prior to that. > > Astrid > Never argue with a dragon, for thou art crunchy and go well with Brie. > http://www.geocities.com/astridofthehorde - costumes I've made > http://www.geocities.com/house_qul_mupwi - The noble Klingon House > http://www.geocities.com/klingon_pirates_guild - The Klingon Pirate's > Guild > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:52:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBqnQ2003247 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:52:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELHRdD028463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELHP9B004515; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ELHM9B004477 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nPTG-000277-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:17:22 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:17:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c362a9$7542c110$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7ELHM9B004477 Subject: [h-cost] Message to Joe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joe! Don't feel funny...Bjarne is one of our most delightful contributors...we LIKE men in historical clothing. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joe Robertson Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? I feel sort of like an outsider here...a male in a female dominated group. At any rate, I am here and glad to be here and I LOVE historical clothing. I am building a wardrobe as we speak. Slainte, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 07:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FBrnQ2003250 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:53:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKtGdD026276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKtE9B013414; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:55:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKtB9B013270 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.184.181.109] (HELO charter.net) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 123054025 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3F3BF6E6.8321E75A@charter.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:53:58 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I feel sort of like an outsider here...a male in a female dominated group. At any rate, I am here and glad to be here and I LOVE historical clothing. I am building a wardrobe as we speak. Slainte, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:29:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCTCQ2003294 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:29:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJoGdD018049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJoDNT009878; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJo5NT009731 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19nO6n-0007bn-0W; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:27:52 +0100 To: "Saragrace T. Knauf" From: Jean Waddie References: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Constructive criticism needed-links and note to Jean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Right, now I understand what you're saying. No, this wasn't because of problems or security or anything. I decided to take the time to actually make up a "personal" website, so there was a framework there that I can place any pictures in that I want to show h-costume folk, or others. I wanted to add the book's publication details to these two images, and the easiest way to do that seemed to be to make a new document with the links in. And when you put links in a document, it's usual (I think?) to use a name with the hyperlink "hidden", rather than just list the link. Does that explain? No great mysteries I'm afraid. Jean In message <001701c361c9$58e24350$6501a8c0@SG01>, Saragrace T. Knauf writes >Here are the links for others.... > >First page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster1.jpg > >Second page http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Foster2.jpg > >Jean, what I was trying to understand is why you 'hid' (for lack of a better >word) the links behind the words "First Page" & "Second Page" as opposed to >just pasting the link itself and you placed them in a separate document >posted (as opposed to just dumping them in the email itself like I just did) >on your webstie...but I think you alluded that you were having difficulty? > >No problem, I was just wondering if I was missing something like a security >issue or browser problem that others might have (like those who use AOL) >that you were trying to alleviate. > >BTW if you haven't looked at the Flemish Garb group postings lately you >should..Michaela has posted som patterns and artwork to support a very >interesting approach to the sleeve issue.... > >Sg > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Jean Waddie >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:08 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed > > >Well, I think I've done it. Try >http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/Personal/Costume/Squarearmhole.doc > >Hope it helps, > >Jean > > >Saragrace knauf wrote >>Jean, I would be very indebted to you. Thanks very much! >> >>Sg >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >>On Behalf Of Jean Waddie >>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:34 PM >>To: Historical Costume >>Cc: Flemish_Garb@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Constructive criticism needed >> >> >>Saragrace, >> >>The bit about the sleeve being squared off rang a bell with me. I had >>been looking recently in the wonderful book my mother gave me on >>drafting and adapting patterns, which I use particularly for sleeves >>("Creating fashion" by Betty Foster, 1983). It has a wing sleeve with >>deep armhole which comes down to a right angle and straight line across >>the bottom of the armhole. I've never seen such a seam on an actual >>garment, all the batwing sleeves I remember were raglan, or cut as a >>single piece with the bodice. But it might give you a clue to doing a >>tighter version of the same thing. >> >>I will attempt to scan and post the diagrams at the weekend, if I can >>work the technology. >> >>Jean >> > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:29:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCTCQ4003294 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:29:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJnhdD017968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJnfNT009356; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJnaNT009278 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be75.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.117]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E97C5EE229 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:49:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c3629d$3c8e4490$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:49:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am signing in here. I want a very special blue colour and watered silk, not the crap you get these days, but real watered silk. The colour i am after is like the sky is in january, if the sun is shining and no clouds. Then i would like real silver thread to make bobbin lace with and then i would make a full outfit for the year of 1760 with large cufs and almost a sun in the skirts. I would make lots of lace to line all the sides with, and i should embellish further with silver, real silver spangels. That would be lovely. If you gave me 2 years further, i would make the shirt in real holland linnen and i would make the lace for the shirt myself, but this would probably be the heardest thing to struggle with, because it is such a slow work, if you want to make real fine point ground lace................. Here we have finally had more cold weather. We almost melted away for the last month, and i hate it, because you have to wash your hands all the times, when you are sewing or embroidering. I am making a beautifull stomacher this moment, but i wont finish it until about a month. I am using satin stitches (long and short stitches) and only 1 strand thread, so it gets very shiny and nice.......... Bjarne in Denmark Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? > Quiet, I think. > My life is pretty chaotic right now, or I'd probably be posting. > Maybe we should start a new thread.... > hmmm..... > hmmmm....... > Okay, everybody.... > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all > get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without > blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk > velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... > --sue > > "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: > > > > Or is it just quiet...am I the only one that writes about it? I must get a > > life! > > > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCTCQ6003294 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK0MdD019210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK0KLl019876; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EK0GLl019829 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nOGc-0004sY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:00:16 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:00:12 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000801c3629c$238f4d00$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7EK0GLl019829 Subject: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh, this isn't easy for me....I guess I have too many dream thingys...wait, wait, it is coming to me again! I wish for a man in my life that looks just like this guy so I can make this outfit for him! http://www.saragrace.net/4B_1_Ital_dandy.html He wouldn't even have to pay me! Sg Sigh...., I've been waiting so long....... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCTCQ8003294 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJl3dD017665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJl1NT006853; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EJkvNT006795 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail22.ureach.com (mail22.ureach.com [172.16.2.82]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09253 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:46:56 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail22.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23994 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c3629c$238f4d00$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:42:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? > Okay, everybody.... > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all > get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without > blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk > velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... > --sue > > "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: Easy one for me to answer... the Isabel de Valois dress. http://mostlymedieval.com/isabel.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:29:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCTCQA003294 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKDcdD021275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKDbLl003413; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7EKDWLm003233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7EKIPoP005426 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:18:25 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F3BED8E.3090100@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:14:06 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb-was: List down again? References: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <003401c3629e$aea09460$6501a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I wish for a man in my life that looks just like this guy so I can make this > outfit for him! http://www.saragrace.net/4B_1_Ital_dandy.html That's a great outfit. And I wondered about the bicolor collar until I read about half of it being the pet ferret! I saw this outfit done, once. It was only about half as full-fashioned as it should have been, but looked great. Myself, I'd redo my 'giant green houppelande of doom' except with *thin* real fur. Maybe it'd weigh less, and it would drape better. Then there's all the fun silly art clothing I want to make and wear around town, but haven't had time to make. Y'know, vests with splashes of color, etc. And I'd wear them, and then use a Star Trek Teleporter to go see Bjarne's costumes. I think many people are grabbing the last of summer before school starts up again or before Autumn really gets rolling, so the various lists are quiet. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval horseman with hound and hawk T-shirt by yours truly: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCW4Q2003312 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCVUdD003583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCVNV8017742; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCVKV8017684 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7FCBWI08103 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3CD30C.23906CF5@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:33:16 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partletquestion References: <20030815072744.27457.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yeah! I only had a couple of hours at the V&A last year, and with a dying battery in my camera to boot. I didn't get any pix at all from the British Galleries. I also didn't get to look at any of the 16th/17th c. stuff they used to have up and then moved to storage and put some ball gown display up instead....*sad sigh* But I wouldn't have a chance to look at them until next week....I'm in the middle of moving and will probably disconnect and pack the computer today. --sue, in hot, smoky *koff* montana *koff* N Kipar wrote: > > I just wnated to say that I have a load of photos of the smocks in the V&A and > actually everything else which was worth taking photos of in the British > Galleries . I took over 400 photos durin my last visit - and the next visit is > due with even more memory cards next Saturday. > If anyone is interested I could upload them temporarily onto my site (they are > huge, but I don't have time to crop them or do anything with them, I have them > on my HD for study purposes). > So, are people interested? > > Nicole > > ===== > One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess > http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 08:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCwKQ2003335 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:58:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCvpdD004958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FCvo2a000511; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FCvm2a000449 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:57:43 BST Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:57:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partletquestion To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F3CD30C.23906CF5@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I'll upload things in batches then and will try to remember not to delete stuff before next week, do notify me, Sue, when you are done. Nicole --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oh, yeah! I only had a couple of hours at the V&A last year, and with a > dying battery in my camera to boot. I didn't get any pix at all from the > British Galleries. I also didn't get to look at any of the 16th/17th c. > stuff they used to have up and then moved to storage and put some ball > gown display up instead....*sad sigh* > But I wouldn't have a chance to look at them until next week....I'm in > the middle of moving and will probably disconnect and pack the computer > today. > --sue, in hot, smoky *koff* montana *koff* > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > I just wnated to say that I have a load of photos of the smocks in the V&A > and > > actually everything else which was worth taking photos of in the British > > Galleries . I took over 400 photos durin my last visit - and the next visit > is > > due with even more memory cards next Saturday. > > If anyone is interested I could upload them temporarily onto my site (they > are > > huge, but I don't have time to crop them or do anything with them, I have > them > > on my HD for study purposes). > > So, are people interested? > > > > Nicole > > > > ===== > > One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess > > http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg > > > > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > URL: http://www.kipar.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumeme@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 09:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FD4qQ2003350 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:04:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FD4KdD005468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FD4K2a003567; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FD4G2a003470 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7FCiSI16676 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3CDAC5.4140004D@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:06:13 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with apartletquestion References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Be glad to! Thanks! --sue N Kipar wrote: > > Okay, I'll upload things in batches then and will try to remember not to delete > stuff before next week, do notify me, Sue, when you are done. > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 09:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDGkQ2003363 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDGAdD006153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDG92a009632; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDG52a009579 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p4-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.68] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19neR1-0001T2-00; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:16:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with apartletquestion Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:15:23 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Okay, I'll upload things in batches then and will try to remember not to delete > stuff before next week, do notify me, Sue, when you are done. Has my message not gone through? I put my hand up too... I wonder if it has anything to do with time zones at all... Will you be putting htem up when you know Sue is finished packing? And will you be giving the addy out publicly? I got it back here, but maybe it's not going out further at the same time... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 09:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDUWQ2003385 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDU4dD007027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FDU32a016581; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FDU02a016498 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030815132955.26208.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:29:55 BST Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:29:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with apartletquestion To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > Okay, I'll upload things in batches then and will try to remember not to > delete > > stuff before next week, do notify me, Sue, when you are done. > > Has my message not gone through? I put my hand up too... I wonder if it has > anything to do with time zones at all... Will you be putting htem up when > you know Sue is finished packing? And will you be giving the addy out > publicly? > > I got it back here, but maybe it's not going out further at the same time... Oh sorry Michaela, I just happened to use Sue's mail to reply. I got yours just fine, I will send the URL to the list when I have uploaded pictures (slow connection at home, only ISDN). Nicole ===== One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 10:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FE2IQ2003436 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FE1bdD008874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FE1ZBC003075; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FE1XBC003005 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from the-new-beast.jb-av.com ([141.153.199.39]) by out003.verizon.netESMTP <20030815140127.OXFA29617.out003.verizon.net@the-new-beast.jb-av.com> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:01:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815095427.028c3b88@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: margeneb@incoming.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:01:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question In-Reply-To: <20030815072744.27457.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003d01c362dd$b48f98f0$bfd2adcb@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.153.199.39] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:01:27 -0500 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In the heat of battle, N Kipar was heard to exclaim: >I just wnated to say that I have a load of photos of the smocks in the V&A and >actually everything else which was worth taking photos of in the British >Galleries . I took over 400 photos durin my last visit - and the next visit is >due with even more memory cards next Saturday. > >So, are people interested? > >Nicole Nicole, that would be wonderful. As the originator of the partlet question, I now would like to know how that particular neckline is achieved. If you look close, it is open. If it's a shirt, is it just a few more gathers so that the neck doesn't come closed? the URL again: http://costume.dm.net/gallery/1569.html Thanks for the info, I don't mind not having to make a partlet, too. ^_^ Genie B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 10:11:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEB8Q2003450 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEAZdD009371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEAYBC008287; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEASBD008192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7FEFPoP011190 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:15:25 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F3CE9F6.8070302@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:11:02 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Subject: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > Has my message not gone through? I put my hand up too... I wonder if it has > anything to do with time zones at all. We might see some weirdness in things coming through, or coming through in a few days, due to the big blackout, which CNN says is still affecting about "15 million people from Detroit to Ottawa" as I write. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 10:19:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEJ7Q2003461 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEISdD009923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEIRBC013466; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEIPBC013326 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a230.in-tch.com [66.62.107.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7FDwbI10213 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3CEC25.92B258FB@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:20:21 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking witha partlet question References: <003d01c362dd$b48f98f0$bfd2adcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815095427.028c3b88@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You'd still have to make 2 undergarments. If you look closely at her chest, just below the major jewel hanging against her throat, and just above the open vee of her bodice, there's the line of a square-necked smock running horizontally. I've always loved this dress, although I think if I ever made it, I'd do embroidered columbines for the flower slips (in shades of blue) instead of roses. And I'd do the gown in some luscious shade of green, or purple, or tawny-gold. Bjarne, what kind of silk thread would you recommend for something like that? --sue Genie Barrett wrote: > > As the originator of the partlet question, I now would like to know how > that particular neckline is achieved. If you look close, it is open. If > it's a shirt, is it just a few more gathers so that the neck doesn't come > closed? > > the URL again: http://costume.dm.net/gallery/1569.html > > Thanks for the info, I don't mind not having to make a partlet, too. ^_^ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 10:25:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEPqQ2003478 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:25:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEPPdD010389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEPNBC017893; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FEPJBC017841 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:25:19 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:25:10 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: Perfect outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I *do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy Viking wardrobe. -- Cathy Raymond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was sitting here trying to figure out what would be my dream project when I read Cathy's email and thought, 'that's it!'. What I really want is *time*, uninterrupted time, to be able to focus, play around with, trial and error any project I want to :)! Hmmmm, time to buy a lottery ticket and fantasize! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 10:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FESWQ2003484 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:28:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FES6dD010723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FES6BC019961; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FES4BC019936 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:27:50 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: partlet questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just when you think you are staring to unterstand a certain era you go and find something like this: English Woman's Smock: http://emu.man.ac.uk/wagcustom/Display.php?irn=19688&QueryPage=%2Fwagcustom% 252%0DFDtlQuery.php michaela >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for posting this Michaela, it is gorgeous! I almost couldn't believe it was really embroidered until I looked at the closeup. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 11:01:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FF1tQ2003556 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:01:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FF1HdD013447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FF1EI0014915; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FF19I0014838 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip204.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.204]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B766A7A4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:58:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Message-ID: <3F3C92C3.14467.8414DE5C@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: <200308142242.54248.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I guess my problem with "many" is that I seem to remember that > H-costume has hundreds of members, and I haven't seen much evidence > that most of them (or even most of the active posters) have SF fannish > ties. Though I could be wrong.... I personally wouldn't be surprised if more people have those ties but have never talked about them. To some of us, SF fandom is something out of our childhood that we've long grown out of. ;) Creative people tend to gravitate to where they can find other creative people. Fandom is one of those places. Role playing games like D&D is another. Renn Fairs are still another, as are the SCA and other reinactment groups. And many of us have gotten into computers so that we can have email access to other like minds. So, there are probably many ties to these groups (although some may be hidden in the distant past.) It's nice to have a place where one can wear our creative constructions. It's a lot more satisfying than sitting at home without anyone to share them or having to wait for Halloween to pull them out. I personally have always been interested in costume, historic far more than anything else. Shoot, several of my papers and the like for high school were historic costuming related (US History: "Clothing during the Depression", Senior theses: "Draping of the Greek Chiton" and "Clothing during the Life of Charles Dickens.") Halloween was my favorite holiday. But that didn't stop me from making a Star Trek uniform for my independent study sewing class back in 1968! Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 11:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFVCQ2003590 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:31:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFUWdD016113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFUUI0008242; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orval.sprint.ca (orval.sprint.ca [209.5.194.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFUSI0008181 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:30:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.67.95]) by orval.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030815153027.QVBK11123.orval.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <009101c36342$37828d80$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com><002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> <3F3CE9F6.8070302@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:27:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. > michaela wrote: > > Has my message not gone through? I put my hand up too... I wonder if it has > > anything to do with time zones at all. > > We might see some weirdness in things coming through, or coming through > in a few days, due to the big blackout, which CNN says is still > affecting about "15 million people from Detroit to Ottawa" as I write. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pr Argent Further North than Ottawa even! I *just* moved to Northern Ontario (Sudbury)from the Prairies, now I'm wondering if that was such a good idea. :-) The black outs are supposed to continue on for the next couple of days according to the news here, I'm just checking my mail while I still have some power. The lights went out sometime around 4 pm yesterday, and just came back on one hour ago. This wouldn't be so bad if I had all of my camping stuff here, but all of my worldly posessions seem to be trapped somewhere between Saskatoon and Toronto. Getting twitchy without at least some hand sewing to do... Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 11:38:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFcXQ2003596 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFbodD016833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFbiI0013910; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu (kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFbeI0013860 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-gateway-fs.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:37:40 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:37:32 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Re: Smock pictures available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, are people interested? Nicole ===== Was Janet Arnold a costumer!!!! Or in otherwords, yes please :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 11:46:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFkgQ2003611 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFjldD017634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFjkI0020542; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lsmtp.okstate.edu (lsmtp.okstate.edu [139.78.100.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFjfI0020483 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from osu-ns01.cis.okstate.edu by lsmtp.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E1121@lsmtp.okstate.edu>; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:45:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 From: Christina L Biles Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:45:40 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns01/Okstate(Release 6.0.2CF1|June 9, 2003) at 08/15/2003 10:45:41 AM, Serialize complete at 08/15/2003 10:45:41 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela said: >>>Hooray:) Someone else on this wavelength;) >>>>There are heaps of shifts with embroidery on the top half as well as the sleeves, most that I've seen are rather sparcely decorated (stripes etc) but that one you mention is also at Drea's site, I'm sure I posted these just recently to the list... I've been collecting picture of extant shirts and smocks for a couple of years now. Here's my thumbnail reference gallery: It's not complete, but I'm moving to an new site next month, and I'll put up my full gallery then. For more information, look in: Arnold, Janet (1977). "Elizabethan and Jacobean smocks and shirts". Waffen-und Kostumkunde; Zeitschrift der Gessellschadt fur Historiche Waffen -und Kostumkunde (Vol 19, Issue 2). Arnold, Janet. (1988). Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked . Leeds, [Eng.] : Maney. Cunnington, C. W., & Cunnington, P. (1951). The history of underclothes. London, M. Joseph. Cunnington, C. W., & Cunnington, P. (1981). The history of underclothes. New rev. ed. London ; Boston : Faber and Faber. Digby, George Frederick Wingfield. (1963). Elizabethan embroidery. London: Faber and Faber. Hart, Avril & North, Susan. (1998). Fashion in detail : from the 17th and 18th centuries. New York : Rizzoli. Linthicum, Marie Channing. (1963). Costume in the drama of Shakespeare and his contemporaries. New York, Russell & Russell. There are lots of other sources as well, of course, but those are some of my favorites. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 11:54:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFslQ2003623 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFqxdD018469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFqwI0026546; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FFqrI0026486 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (york.is.mcw.edu [141.106.12.17]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h7FFqqm21121 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:52:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from MARIESNOTEBOOK (net-60-152.dhcp.mcw.edu [141.106.60.152]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id h7FFqpm21104 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002c01c36345$55a732e0$983c6a8d@MARIESNOTEBOOK> From: "Marie L. Schulte" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:53:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Christina/Magdalena- These photos are GREAT! Is there anyway you can permit them to be 'blown up' when clicked on? I'd love to see the details, especially the embroidery patterns!, close up. thanks! (back to mostly lurking) Marie > > I've been collecting picture of extant shirts and smocks for a couple of > years now. Here's my thumbnail reference gallery: > > It's not complete, but I'm moving to an new site next month, and I'll put > up my full gallery then. > > > > -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 13:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FH0EQ2003739 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:00:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FGxgdD025433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FGxfNe023900; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FGxbNe023845 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-66-127-113-72.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (HELO elizabethanlady.com) (lithiate@sbcglobal.net@66.127.113.72 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 16:59:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:58:36 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Sarah To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000e01c36319$c4e1f220$93cfadcb@michaela> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] Re: Smock pictures available, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> If anyone is interested I could upload them temporarily onto my site >> (they > are >> huge, but I don't have time to crop them or do anything with them, I >> have > them >> on my HD for study purposes). >> So, are people interested? Yes! I am definitely interested. After erasing my digital camera card on the train to Bath, I would dearly love to see if you caught anything I might have lost... ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 13:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FH6eQ2003751 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:06:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FH4JdD025854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FH4HNe027755; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SRVNODE7.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FH4DNe027615 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by SRVNODE7.cho.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:04:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:07:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lynn Downward Subject: [h-cost] Re: Smock pictures available Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, very much so!! LynnD >So, are people interested? > >Nicole >===== > >Was Janet Arnold a costumer!!!! > >Or in otherwords, yes please :). > >Catherine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 14:21:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FILSQ2003862 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FII1dD003928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FII0Cp029341; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from berlinr.sprint.ca (berlinr.sprint.ca [209.5.194.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FIHuCp029302 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.68.190]) by berlinr.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030815181755.RWHY3218.berlinr.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <00ed01c36359$9ab1f960$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Garb; was List down again? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] List down again? > Quiet, I think. > My life is pretty chaotic right now, or I'd probably be posting. > Maybe we should start a new thread.... > hmmm..... > hmmmm....... > Okay, everybody.... > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 > years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > Since this is a moderately-priced fantasy , we'll assume that we all > get the basic fabrics and doodads and whatnots that we need, without > blowing our entire theoretical budgets on that hand-made 100% silk > velvet that I'm sure some of us drool over in our crazy moments.... > --sue > > "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: > > > > Or is it just quiet...am I the only one that writes about it? I must get a > > life! > > > > Sg Hmm, dream garb, besides the fact I can't stick to any one period for any length of time, I also do dance costumes. Keeps me out of trouble when I'm not working. :-) Right now though, I think I have three outfits that I would love to do. One is a full 16th C Turkish ladies court garb all in layers and layers of multi coloured patterned silks and linens. A forest green and gold Elizabethan with emboidered and beaded wheat sheaf motif. And the white outfit from the Darmstadt Madonna, there is just something about that 'hat' she is wearing that absolutely caught my fancy! I am collecting fabrics and notions for these outfits, but unless I win the lottery soon it's going to take a couple of years to pull any of them together. Sigh. I want it all now! :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 14:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FIeSQ2003939 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:40:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FId5dD006122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FId4Cp017826; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lsmtp.okstate.edu (lsmtp.okstate.edu [139.78.100.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FIcwCp017723 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from osu-ns01.cis.okstate.edu by lsmtp.okstate.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008EA158@lsmtp.okstate.edu>; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:38:57 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 From: Christina L Biles Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:38:56 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on osu-ns01/Okstate(Release 6.0.2CF1|June 9, 2003) at 08/15/2003 13:38:57, Serialize complete at 08/15/2003 13:38:57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marie asked: >>>Is there anyway you can permit them to be 'blown up' when clicked on? I'd love to see the details, especially the embroidery patterns!, close up. No. The newer version of this page has the citation of where I found the pictures, so that viewers can find them if interested. These pictures are not my copyright, and showing them whole, in color, and full sized would violate the copyright holders' rights. The thumbnails are really more than they ought to be, but I use this page to reference specific shirts and to show people some of the variety that is out there. I particularly suggest _Fashion in Detail_ for killer close-ups of embroidery patterns. Sorry! -Christina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJRrV5002035 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJDZdD009603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJDYlY016723; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJDVlY016698 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23.ureach.com (mailout.ureach.com [172.16.2.83]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14405 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:13:31 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail23.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29588 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c36360$b14cda80$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:09:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After the "dream dress" question, I looked more seriously at my dream dress with an eye to reproduction. What do you think of the sleeves? At first I thought the sleeves were ornamented in gold dragonflies. Upon closer inspection, it looks like the sleeves are slit in a spiral pattern and the "dragonflies" are actually holding the sleeve together. They even look like they might be points. full image: http://www.mostlymedieval.com/isabel.htm sleeve detail: http://www.mostlymedieval.com/sleeves.htm What do you think? Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:37:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJbmV5002165 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJZYdD011646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJZUlY004273; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJZQlY004203 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nkMA-0001pm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:35:26 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:35:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c36364$639849b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7FJZQlY004203 Subject: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile shopping district site and didn't find anything which told me when it was open for shopping. Do any of you know? I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and evenings? Thanks Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJfTV5002173 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:41:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJeVdD012180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJeTlY008174; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail15.nyc.untd.com (outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com [64.136.21.170]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FJePlY008065 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrFKPf6khxakRybhYHo9neA7y5rhrxh8fg==">; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:39:55 PDT Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7M8ZD3F; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:39:55 PDT Received: from [166.90.70.86] by webmail15.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:39:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.70.86] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: seamstrix@juno.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:39:47 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20030815.123955.511.30959@webmail15.nyc.untd.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This dress is on my extensive list of Things To Do. If you are serious about wanting to reproduce it, get your hands on a copy of "Dynasties" which has a very big, detailed, full-color reproduction of this portrait. In that book you can clearly see that the sleeves ARE slashed in a spiral fashion and the slashes are held together with large jeweled aiglets (points) on very short ribbons so that they stand out from the surface of the fabric.This portrait is also a great thing to show to people who try to tell you that pink isn't period!! Oh to be able to get my grubby little hands on some of the figured velvet it seems to be made from...... Karen --- "Beteena Paradise" wrote: After the "dream dress" question, I looked more seriously at my dream dress with an eye to reproduction. What do you think of the sleeves? At first I thought the sleeves were ornamented in gold dragonflies. Upon closer inspection, it looks like the sleeves are slit in a spiral pattern and the "dragonflies" are actually holding the sleeve together. They even look like they might be points. full image: http://www.mostlymedieval.com/isabel.htm sleeve detail: http://www.mostlymedieval.com/sleeves.htm What do you think? Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:47:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJluV5002189 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlMdD012880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlKlY013773; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlFla013686 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJO009VYEYMJB@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:34:38 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <000801c36360$b14cda80$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:09 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Upon closer >inspection, it looks like the sleeves are slit in a spiral pattern and the >"dragonflies" are actually holding the sleeve together. They even look like >they might be points. I have a pretty big photo of this dress, as it too is a "dream" dress of mine, and I always thought those were points holding the edges closed. Points seem to be a common decoration, especially gold ones. And the slits to my eye seem to not be fully spiral, but stop and start in the spiral pattern up the sleeve. What I always wondered was if that red material was embroidered or woven with that gold pattern. Any ideas? Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 15:49:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJnOV5002192 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:49:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlgdD012918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlelY014029; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FJlFlY013686 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.206.192]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJO009VYEYMJB@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:31:08 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? In-reply-to: <000101c36364$639849b0$6501a8c0@SG01> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815122519.02e9a938@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:35 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile shopping district site and >didn't find anything which told me when it was open for shopping. Do any of >you know? > >I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and evenings? > >Thanks > >Sg Hiya I have in my notes that Saturdays are the busiest days, as many of the wholesalers are open to the retailers as well. I also noted that many of the jobbers are Jewish, so they might be closed on Saturday, and close early on Fridays. I presume they would be open on Sundays, but heard nothing definite on that. Most if not all stores are open 10-5, Mon-Friday, and I think those are Saturday hours as well. That's all from my notes. Anyone know specifics on Sunday? A friend is planning for a weekend trip at the end of this month and is curious about Sunday. hth, and tia. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 16:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKPmV5002368 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:25:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKMldD016093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKMiS0013989; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from berlinr.sprint.ca (berlinr.sprint.ca [209.5.194.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKMeS0013929 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.69.230]) by berlinr.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030815202239.TLAC3218.berlinr.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <012d01c3636b$09daf1a0$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [h-cost] Banners X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all! Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and the like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) Thanks in advance, Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 16:34:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKYtV5002393 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKYMdD017223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKYKS0023395; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKYFS0023323 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.30.218.8.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net ([67.30.218.8]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nlH4-0001EI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:34:15 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:35:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners From: Grace Morris To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012d01c3636b$09daf1a0$cb6afea9@shooie> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7FKYFS0023323 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you go here: http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/topics.htm there are links to banner making sites. Grace/Jessamyn jessamynscloset.com > From: "Sheridan & Shane" > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:23:05 -0400 > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: [h-cost] Banners > > > Greetings all! > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and > the > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Sheridan > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 16:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKZ1V5002397 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKX9dD017096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKX7S0022373; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKX0S0022267 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08377 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:33:00 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA25069 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c3636b$cbe2ba30$230110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > At 03:09 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > What I always wondered was if that red material was embroidered or woven > with that gold pattern. Any ideas? > > Kimiko > I have wondered the same thing. I notice that the embroidery bordering the overskirt seems to be identical in thread and style to the overall decoration. My vote would be for embroidered. Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 16:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKZJV5002400 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKXodD017172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKXnS0022883; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FKXkS0022774 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m217.in-tch.com [216.166.191.217]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7FKDvI05889 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F3D441D.9907A983@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:35:41 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I always understood the sleeves to be spirally-cut, or at least spirally-slashed (which is probably how I'd recreate it), with the slashes held together with pairs of points/aiglets. I'm not a textile expert, but I believe that the fabric for the dress would be a velvet (perhaps a voided velvet, or even a cut-and-voided velvet), with the background (rose) color done in a satin weave, and the design formed out of pile. I saw examples of extant velvets from this time period that were woven just that way (Henry Gallery textile collection in Seattle, WA). One was a goldish background with the design done in plummy purple. The other was a cherry-red satin with the design in green pile (very, very much a Christmas combo! ). --sue, who's always liked the dress, too.... Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 03:09 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Upon closer > >inspection, it looks like the sleeves are slit in a spiral pattern and the > >"dragonflies" are actually holding the sleeve together. They even look like > >they might be points. > > I have a pretty big photo of this dress, as it too is a "dream" dress of > mine, and I always thought those were points holding the edges closed. > Points seem to be a common decoration, especially gold ones. > > And the slits to my eye seem to not be fully spiral, but stop and start in > the spiral pattern up the sleeve. > > What I always wondered was if that red material was embroidered or woven > with that gold pattern. Any ideas? > > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:09:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FL9fV5002484 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:09:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FL9DdD020252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FL9BOA022804; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SRVNODE7.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FL97OA022686 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by SRVNODE7.cho.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:09:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815122519.02e9a938@127.0.0.1> References: <002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815122519.02e9a938@127.0.0.1> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:12:41 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not sure about weekends; any time I've been to the garment district I've been at Costume College, with classes on Saturdays and Sundays. I DO know, however, that most stores close around 5, some stay open until 5:30 and the whole place is shut tighter than a drum by 5:45. Bergers and Bohemian (bead stores) are closed 4-4:30, depending on their mood, for all I can tell. We went to Boho arriving at 4 and they were shut even though the sign said they were open until 4:30. Now we go there first if we go at all. B. Black & Sons (wonderful, wonderful wools) on Los Angeles is usually open until 5:30 - and on weekdays they open early (8? 9 for certain). Happy shopping, LynnD The proud owner of 20 yards of various wools and wool/silk blends from B. Black thanks to last weeks shopping trip. >At 12:35 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile shopping district site and >>didn't find anything which told me when it was open for shopping. Do any of >>you know? >> >>I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and evenings? >> >>Thanks >> >>Sg > >Hiya > >I have in my notes that Saturdays are the busiest days, as many of >the wholesalers are open to the retailers as well. I also noted that >many of the jobbers are Jewish, so they might be closed on Saturday, >and close early on Fridays. I presume they would be open on Sundays, >but heard nothing definite on that. Most if not all stores are open >10-5, Mon-Friday, and I think those are Saturday hours as well. >That's all from my notes. > >Anyone know specifics on Sunday? A friend is planning for a weekend >trip at the end of this month and is curious about Sunday. > >hth, and tia. > >Kimiko > > > >Kimiko Small >Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother >kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com >"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > >Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery >http://www.costumegallery.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLKBV5002505 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLJfdD021154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLJeOA001393; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80403.mail.yahoo.com (web80403.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FLJYOA001241 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030815211929.40510.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.124.119.247] by web80403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:19:29 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000101c36364$639849b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: > Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile > shopping district site and > didn't find anything which told me when it was open > for shopping. Do any of > you know? > > I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and > evenings? > > Thanks > > Sg As Kimiko noted, many of the jobbers are Israeli, so most of the shops are closed on Saturdays. Berger's Beads is definitely closed; Moon Fabrics might be open (call them to double-check). While some of the stores will be open, it won't be as extensive as during the week. Almost everybody is shut on Sundays except Michael Levine's. Because the jobbers are normally supplying wholesale clients, their usual business hours are 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLLVV5002508 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:21:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLG1dD020806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLFxOA028303; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLFvOA028229 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 46FD01B2573 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010301c36372$5d68d9c0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012d01c3636b$09daf1a0$cb6afea9@shooie> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:15:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would think you'd be fine with just a large table. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Banners > > Greetings all! > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and > the > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Sheridan > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLPOV5002517 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLOudD021583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLOsOA005675; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLMnOA003981 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:22:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nm25-0000Wk-00; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:22:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c36373$6403def0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal cc: "'Heather Heroldt'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did find a number to call. This is the deal. Most stores(~1000) are open M-S 10am to 5pm. About 200 stores are open on Sundays 10 am to ~4pm. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 17:32:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLWCV5002528 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLVRdD022176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FLVPOA011221; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7FLPMOA006037 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:25:17 BST Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:25:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-coop.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1167; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] 1st batch V&A photos: 2 shifts, 16th c. feather fan & fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There you are, I will leave the photos up there for a week or so until Sue has them too. The blackworkd embroidered shift is one Drea talks about on her web site and has photos up. The other one is a 17th c. one, sorry the case was very dark, but some of the emb roidered motifs came out nicely. The fan is 16th c. apparently, and so is the fabric & applique. http://www.kipar.org/temp/VA/ Other batches to follow next week. I have photos from the Ashmolean, York museums, Ely museum (oops, no, i had to sign a permission, drat!), Museum of London, Dover Museum, Maidstone museum etc. I shall keep all the late 17th c. stuff for myself for now, it is just far too much to share, and will upload batches of the earlier stuff. Nicole ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 18:25:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMPwV5002652 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:25:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMP1dD027480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMOww5026264; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMOuw5026210 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19nmi6-000P1D-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:18:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] costuming/SF/etc WAS what's your degree in? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20030813180706.00a0ece0@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308142233.25125.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200308142233.25125.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote >On Thursday 14 August 2003 06:10 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: >> I don't know how it comes about, but there's a big circular SF - >> costuming - re-enactment - military history - miniature wargaming - >> roleplaying - computer programming thingy. You tend to find a lot of >> crossover between those interests. I centre in re-enactment, and most >> of the people I know there also do one or more of the others. Some of >> the links are obvious, some less so. >> >[snip] > > > >It's interesting that you say that, Jean. My husband would agree with you. > >He's also participated in all the interests you named above, except for >costuming and reenactment (unless you count his occasional participation in >the SCA....) > Well there you are - presumably some friends from one of the other interests dragged him along? -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 18:47:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMlDV5002719 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMkddD029203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMkcw5010857; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FMkWw5010773 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nnL6-0003Pg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:46:32 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1st batch V&A photos: 2 shifts, 16th c. feather fan & fabric Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:46:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c3637f$16164320$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7FMkWw5010773 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Nicole and thanks to Catherine who said "was Janet Arnold a costume Designer"! That was pretty funny. Over here in America that is rendered "Does a bear s#$% in the woods?" Tee hee. Very cool, I have a question about the shift. Are any of the designs repeated? Also, do these designs come from that needle work pattern book everyone talks about ...the school..something? If not, does anyone know if all the designs have been copied to some book somewhere? I have the ones in Arnold, but I just love them and would really like to do them all. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 19:42:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNgEV5002805 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:42:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNfmdD004441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNfjfw020005; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNfhfw019919 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200308152341.h7FNfhfw019919@net.indra.com> Received: from mtiwebc18 (mtiwebc18.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003081523413811100damore>; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:41:38 +0000 Received: from [24.92.178.125] by mtiwebc18; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:41:38 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:41:38 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 29 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've actually done three *huge* SCA banners. I found that a large table to draft the applique pieces on is the biggest help. Having the full size pieces drafted on paper first to really helped me vizualize the overall finished size of the banners. I cheated with my applique and used a lined applique techinque to turn all the little corners and edges and laurel wreath details. Lined applique is where you line the fabric of the applique on the right side of the fabric with a fusible interfacing. Make a small cut in the interfacing ( or a large one... depending on the size of the applique) and turn the applique so the fusible side of the interfacing is on the back and the right side of the fabric is facing out. Lay your applique in place, press lightly and it stays in place until you edge stitch or slip stitch in place. I did this with Velvet applique on a satin background. I think it helped me keep my sanity! If you have any other questions in mind, just e-mail me. I'll be glad to help. Crissy SewingGoddess@att.net > > Greetings all! > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and > the > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Sheridan > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 19:54:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNsaV5002820 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:54:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNsAdD005708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNs8fw029308; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNs4fw029233 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04170 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:54:03 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA20310 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c36388$81293790$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308152341.h7FNfhfw019919@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:54:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds like a really cool technique, but I am having a little trouble visualizing it. I know, I am a dork! Can you elaborate? Thanks! Teena ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners > I've actually done three *huge* SCA banners. I found that a large table to draft the applique pieces on is the biggest help. > Having the full size pieces drafted on paper first to really helped me vizualize the overall finished size of the banners. > > I cheated with my applique and used a lined applique techinque to turn all the little corners and edges and laurel wreath > details. Lined applique is where you line the fabric of the applique on the right side of the fabric with a fusible interfacing. > Make a small cut in the interfacing ( or a large one... depending on the size of the applique) and turn the applique so the > fusible side of the interfacing is on the back and the right side of the fabric is facing out. Lay your applique in place, press > lightly and it stays in place until you edge stitch or slip stitch in place. I did this with Velvet applique on a satin background. I > think it helped me keep my sanity! > If you have any other questions in mind, just e-mail me. I'll be glad to help. > > Crissy > SewingGoddess@att.net > > > > Greetings all! > > > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner > > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some > > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with > > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and > > the > > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment > > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 19:59:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNxRV5002827 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNx0dD006219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNx0Pa002908; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNvFPa001744 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from the-new-beast.jb-av.com ([141.153.209.169]) by out004.verizon.netESMTP <20030815235710.PNOH14849.out004.verizon.net@the-new-beast.jb-av.com> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:57:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815175445.02a51790@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: margeneb@incoming.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:57:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st batch V&A photos: 2 shifts, 16th c. feather fan & fabric In-Reply-To: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.153.209.169] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:57:09 -0500 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In the heat of battle, N Kipar was heard to exclaim: >There you are, I will leave the photos up there for a week or so until Sue has >them too. >http://www.kipar.org/temp/VA/ Thanks so very much. It helps to see these. I did have to brighten up my screen to maximum to see them, but they are awesome once I did. Genie B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 19:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNxgV5002830 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNxEdD006264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNxCPa003152; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7FNwgPb002690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7FNwuXM010715 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:58:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7FNwuX0010713 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:58:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Perfect outfit Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:58:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308151958.56293.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7FNwgPb002690 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 15 August 2003 10:25 am, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I was sitting here trying to figure out what would be my dream project > when I read Cathy's email and thought, 'that's it!'. What I really want > is *time*, uninterrupted time, to be able to focus, play around with, > trial and error any project I want to :)! Exactly. That's what I need, too. :-) -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G05hV5002841 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:05:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G05FdD007000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G04pPa007371; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G04jPb007273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7G04xXM010781 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:04:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7G04xZI010779 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:04:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:04:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3CE9F6.8070302@thibault.org> <009101c36342$37828d80$cb6afea9@shooie> In-Reply-To: <009101c36342$37828d80$cb6afea9@shooie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308152004.59006.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7G04jPb007273 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 15 August 2003 11:27 am, Sheridan & Shane wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Virtue" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:11 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. > > > michaela wrote: > > > Has my message not gone through? I put my hand up too... I wonder if it > > has > > > > anything to do with time zones at all. > > > > We might see some weirdness in things coming through, or coming through > > in a few days, due to the big blackout, which CNN says is still > > affecting about "15 million people from Detroit to Ottawa" as I write. I agree. We never lost power in the Philadelphia area, but New York City did, and the "Am I Period or Not?" site has been down since last night. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:09:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G09EV5002849 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:09:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G08odD007483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G08nPa011074; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G08jPb011032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7G08xXM010809 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:09:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7G08x6b010807 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:08:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:08:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <3F3C92C3.14467.8414DE5C@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3F3C92C3.14467.8414DE5C@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308152008.59493.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7G08jPb011032 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 15 August 2003 10:58 am, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > I guess my problem with "many" is that I seem to remember that > > H-costume has hundreds of members, and I haven't seen much evidence > > that most of them (or even most of the active posters) have SF fannish > > ties. Though I could be wrong.... > > I personally wouldn't be surprised if more people have those ties but > have never talked about them. To some of us, SF fandom is something > out of our childhood that we've long grown out of. ;) I'm always willing to be proven wrong, as I said. I'd just like to point out that I still believe that it's never too late to have a happy childhood. ;-) > Creative people tend to gravitate to where they can find other > creative people. Fandom is one of those places. Role playing games > like D&D is another. Renn Fairs are still another, as are the SCA and > other reinactment groups. And many of us have gotten into computers > so that we can have email access to other like minds. > > So, there are probably many ties to these groups (although some may > be hidden in the distant past.) > > It's nice to have a place where one can wear our creative > constructions. It's a lot more satisfying than sitting at home > without anyone to share them or having to wait for Halloween to pull > them out. True. (Though I have appeared in garb at my office, once in a great while, on major holidays.) :-) > I personally have always been interested in costume, historic far > more than anything else. I have never really been interested in costume, other than in historic costume. >Shoot, several of my papers and the like for > high school were historic costuming related (US History: "Clothing > during the Depression", Senior theses: "Draping of the Greek Chiton" > and "Clothing during the Life of Charles Dickens.") Halloween was my > favorite holiday. Mine too. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:12:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0C9V5002861 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0BfdD007734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0BePa013390; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0BbPa013345 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.175]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:24:22 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c3638a$f44d9e30$af520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308142224.h7EMMp8t004232@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, saragrace's dream boy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -Those medieval guys sure knew how to dress. He's got a great costume. Margaret B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0E6V5002867 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:14:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0DedD007954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0DdPa014620; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0DZPb014568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7G0DnXM010836 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:13:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7G0Dnst010834 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:13:49 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming/SF/etc WAS what's your degree in? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:13:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030806204704.009f8550@pop3.norton.antivirus> <200308142233.25125.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308152013.49534.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7G0DZPb014568 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 15 August 2003 02:18 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote > > >On Thursday 14 August 2003 06:10 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: > >> I don't know how it comes about, but there's a big circular SF - > >> costuming - re-enactment - military history - miniature wargaming - > >> roleplaying - computer programming thingy. You tend to find a lot of > >> crossover between those interests. I centre in re-enactment, and most > >> of the people I know there also do one or more of the others. Some of > >> the links are obvious, some less so. > > > >[snip] > > > > > > > >It's interesting that you say that, Jean. My husband would agree with > > you. > > > >He's also participated in all the interests you named above, except for > >costuming and reenactment (unless you count his occasional participation > > in the SCA....) > > Well there you are - presumably some friends from one of the other > interests dragged him along? No, no dragging was required, but circumstances have made it inconvenient for him to be continuously active in SCA. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0muV5003035 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:48:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0mTdD010877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0mRPa006984; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9403.mail.yahoo.com (web9403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7G0mNPa006958 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030816004823.36620.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:48:23 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000101c36364$639849b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually there ARE some stores open on sunday. The area seems to close up shop (pardon the pun) by 4 or 5pm. I usually do'nt stay out shopping there past about 2:30p--so as to avoid the awful traffic getting home. Albra "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile shopping district site and didn't find anything which told me when it was open for shopping. Do any of you know? I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and evenings? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 20:57:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0v5V5003058 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0uYdD011331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0uWPh011576; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9407.mail.yahoo.com (web9407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7G0uTPh011538 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030816005629.18371.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:56:29 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] What days is the LA garment/textile shopping district open? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoooo! B.Black and sons--I have'nt been there yet(and I'm planning a foray down there soon)--can someone kindly tell me their address? thanks mucho-- Albra Lynn Downward wrote: I'm not sure about weekends; any time I've been to the garment district I've been at Costume College, with classes on Saturdays and Sundays. I DO know, however, that most stores close around 5, some stay open until 5:30 and the whole place is shut tighter than a drum by 5:45. Bergers and Bohemian (bead stores) are closed 4-4:30, depending on their mood, for all I can tell. We went to Boho arriving at 4 and they were shut even though the sign said they were open until 4:30. Now we go there first if we go at all. B. Black & Sons (wonderful, wonderful wools) on Los Angeles is usually open until 5:30 - and on weekdays they open early (8? 9 for certain). Happy shopping, LynnD The proud owner of 20 yards of various wools and wool/silk blends from B. Black thanks to last weeks shopping trip. >At 12:35 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi all, I was visting the LA garment/textile shopping district site and >>didn't find anything which told me when it was open for shopping. Do any of >>you know? >> >>I figured Sundays are out...what about Saturdays and evenings? >> >>Thanks >> >>Sg > >Hiya > >I have in my notes that Saturdays are the busiest days, as many of >the wholesalers are open to the retailers as well. I also noted that >many of the jobbers are Jewish, so they might be closed on Saturday, >and close early on Fridays. I presume they would be open on Sundays, >but heard nothing definite on that. Most if not all stores are open >10-5, Mon-Friday, and I think those are Saturday hours as well. >That's all from my notes. > >Anyone know specifics on Sunday? A friend is planning for a weekend >trip at the end of this month and is curious about Sunday. > >hth, and tia. > >Kimiko > > > >Kimiko Small >Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother >kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com >"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > >Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery >http://www.costumegallery.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G10NV5003064 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:00:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0xudD011525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0xtPh013334; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orval.sprint.ca (orval.sprint.ca [209.5.194.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G0xpPh013315 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.67.179]) by orval.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030816005950.XAFA11123.orval.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <017c01c36391$bd661ee0$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308152341.h7FNfhfw019919@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey thanks! :-) I have used a similar technique for making dags: sew first, cut later, turn out. Definitely a good idea, I'll use it for banner #2. I will definitely be taking you up on your offer for help on that one! I have assisted with a small variety of Church banners when I was a gangling youth, both my Mother and my Grandmother would volunteer for that job whenever needed, but this will be the first time I have taken on this kind of project on my own. This whole thing was meant to be a sort of 'technique sampler'. I recently learned how to make felt, so I plan to make, shape and dye the felt myself. I recently picked embroidery up again, and plan on using a variety of early period stitches as embellishment, also in wool. Throw in a bit of beadwork to add a bit of sparkle and voila, one big Baronial banner. Any other tips and tricks are very much appreciated! Sheridan Crissy wrote: > I've actually done three *huge* SCA banners. I found that a large table to draft the applique pieces on is the biggest help. > Having the full size pieces drafted on paper first to really helped me vizualize the overall finished size of the banners. > > I cheated with my applique and used a lined applique techinque to turn all the little corners and edges and laurel wreath > details. Lined applique is where you line the fabric of the applique on the right side of the fabric with a fusible interfacing. > Make a small cut in the interfacing ( or a large one... depending on the size of the applique) and turn the applique so the > fusible side of the interfacing is on the back and the right side of the fabric is facing out. Lay your applique in place, press > lightly and it stays in place until you edge stitch or slip stitch in place. I did this with Velvet applique on a satin background. I > think it helped me keep my sanity! > If you have any other questions in mind, just e-mail me. I'll be glad to help. > > Crissy > SewingGoddess@att.net > > > > Greetings all! > > > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with banner > > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for some > > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen with > > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories and > > the > > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good investment > > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1DcV5003082 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:13:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1D6dD012435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1D4Ph020834; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1D1Ph020794 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7G1D0rP019612 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.217] (tnt-1-281.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.217]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1CsoH019514 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20030815011720.058d8dd0@mail.frys.com> References: <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> <4.3.1.2.20030815011720.058d8dd0@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:40:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:19 AM -0700 8/15/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 >>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >> >>I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I >>*do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy >>Viking wardrobe. > >Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of >Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime >activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the >event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, >underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:22:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1MOV5003092 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:22:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1LtdD013028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1LsPh025402; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1LoPh025362 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19nplN-0007MW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:21:49 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Banners Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c36394$c8029d30$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <017c01c36391$bd661ee0$cb6afea9@shooie> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7G1LoPh025362 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was surprised when I found that doll makers almost solely sew first cut later. Tracing seamlines makes so much sense, especially for beginning sewers. I recently heared of a very respetable tailor who sews this way most of the time. Though it does double your tracing/cut out time. I am amazed at how many still don't get the concept of cuttting on the actual cutting line and sewing on the seam line line.....I almost have to harp on my students to do it...it just makes such common sense to me... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sheridan & Shane Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Hey thanks! :-) I have used a similar technique for making dags: sew first, cut later, turn out. Definitely a good idea, I'll use it for banner #2. I will definitely be taking you up on your offer for help on that one! I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:25:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1PBV5003100 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1OKdD013160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1OJPh026572; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9407.mail.yahoo.com (web9407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7G1OHPh026549 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030816012417.20714.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:24:17 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as well:)LOL! Albra Heather Rose Jones wrote: At 1:19 AM -0700 8/15/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 >>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >> >>I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I >>*do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy >>Viking wardrobe. > >Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of >Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime >activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the >event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, >underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1cDV5003123 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:38:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1bjdD014252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1bdPh004555; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1bbPh004529 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail23.ureach.com (mailout.ureach.com [172.16.2.83]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31726 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:37:37 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail23.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17234 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c36396$f83baad0$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030816012417.20714.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:37:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHRYN WOLTERS" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit > And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as well:)LOL! > Albra I have wanted that for ages and ages! I heard there is a place in England that does this, but I am sure it is very expensive. Tell you what... When I win the lotto (not likely since I do not play), I will buy an estate in England and will have "period" weeks for everyone! Regency, baroque, etc. Ah... to dream of that wardrobe. Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 15 21:45:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1jEV5003130 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1ildD014753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1ikPh008673; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav83.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G1ihPh008604 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:44:38 -0700 Received: from 66.123.52.96 by bay4-dav83.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:44:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.123.52.96] X-Originating-Email: [ysandra8@msn.com] From: "ysandra sliverneedle" To: References: <200308160100.h7G10EPj013578@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:44:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2003 01:44:38.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3F24BE0:01C36397] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Lace in photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7G1jEV5003130 Status: RO --Nicole the lace shots on the shift were really a "find' for me because I have been looking for simple lace pattern that I could make for edgings. And If you have more with lace please include them. Ysandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 01:05:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G55IV5003421 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G54edD028756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G54agN018909; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G54WgN018854 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p50-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.114] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ntEr-0002vh-00; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:04:30 +1200 Message-ID: <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:04:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > And the slits to my eye seem to not be fully spiral, but stop and start in > the spiral pattern up the sleeve. I feel the same as there are very clear lines that also are textured (the edges seem to be bound) then near the outside of her left arm there are spaces between points where the surface is smooth > What I always wondered was if that red material was embroidered or woven > with that gold pattern. Any ideas? I still think embroidery;) If anyone has the book by Blanch Payne there is an extant girl's dress from around this time (a little later I think) and the way the embroidery stands out is just the same as in this painting. There are fine scolling lines and wide straight sections... It also shows a similar treatment to the decoration on this dress. So there are differences between skirt and bodice and sleeves... of course this is a skirt, bodice and over gown so when I say similar.. I mean the same sort of ideas. http://glittersweet.com/paynefull.jpg http://glittersweet.com/paynehalf.jpg http://glittersweet.com/paynebodice.jpg http://glittersweet.com/payneembroidery.jpg embroidery of the skirt up close http://glittersweet.com/paynefold.jpg showing how the stripes are embroidered seperately then put on later, there are very definate folds to get the mitred corners. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 01:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5WjV5003506 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5W8dD000640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5W6gN002397; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net ([64.164.98.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5W3gN002363 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-36-195.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.36.195]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7G5VtdE025438 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030815222233.055257f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:23:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20030815011720.058d8dd0@mail.frys.com> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> <001e01c36295$2bcbc6d0$6501a8c0@SG01> <3F3BE510.7AEB2E98@in-tch.com> <4.3.1.2.20030815011720.058d8dd0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> > If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to 2 >>>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >>>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >>> >>>I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But sometimes I >>>*do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high accuracy >>>Viking wardrobe. >> >>Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of Edwardians, >>including changing clothes for several daytime activities and night-time >>ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the event and back, plus >>night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, underwear and petticoats, >>hats, purses, shoes, etc. > >And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! And that house in the country, full of servants, so I can reciprocate the visit, and the inherited fortune to support that lifestyle, etc. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 01:50:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5oKV5003547 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:50:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5nrdD001606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:49:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5nqgN010914; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5nngN010871 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5F79470108; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:49:43 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5F5810204; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00a601c363ba$91376760$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815125743.36444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com><002301c3632f$5eef2710$44a176cb@michaela> <3F3CE9F6.8070302@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Servers, messages, etc. Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:52:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We lost our Comcast internet in Richmond, VA for 24 hours. I guess the routers on the East Coast got bogged down. I just got back up and working again. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 01:56:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5u7V5003578 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:56:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5tZdD001896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5tY66013245; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G5tV66013169 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A74D142C0090; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:55:25 -0500 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A74AA301B0; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00ab01c363bb$5caece60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F3C92C3.14467.8414DE5C@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:58:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-RBL-Warning: OSSRC: [1] theanswerto, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1815 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LOL!!!!! I am married to a computer professional... he was a computer functional analyst 18 years, now a business analyst, turning into a database engineer next year. He is not into costume other than he loves Style TV. His interests are Denver Broncos and a Grand Funk Railroad groupie. My son and his computer guru friends are into sword fighting, animes, and D&D. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 02:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G67KV5005893 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G66mdD002547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7G66l66017866; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7G66h66017841 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-85.gti.net [208.216.115.85]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id BEA48354B2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F3DC9F1.984398A7@gti.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:06:41 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in References: <00ab01c363bb$5caece60$0400a8c0@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, Oh you are so lucky to have the Style Network! When I move out I am actually going to pay for a $300 satellite dish just to get it! What shows do you guys like? ~Deb R > He is not into costume other than he loves Style TV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 06:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GAaxV5008939 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GAaFdD017627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GAaAqn011459; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7GAa7qn011415 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030816103602.31862.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.64.203.126] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:02 BST Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:02 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200308152008.59493.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fantasy costumes, Re: [h-coSF/st] Re: whats your degree in X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I personally wouldn't be surprised if more people have those ties but > > have never talked about them. To some of us, SF fandom is something > > out of our childhood that we've long grown out of. ;) Oh dear, I feel sorry for you. To grow out of one's own childhood must be so sad. I enjoy Fantasy costumes tremendously. I can do what I want, let imagination run free, what a wonderful thing to do - with the same zest as back in the childhood, but with a heck more money and resources. ;-) > I'm always willing to be proven wrong, as I said. I'd just like to > point out that I still believe that it's never too late to have a happy > childhood. ;-) Bingo! I wholeheartedly agree. Nicole ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 08:40:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GCeKV5009073 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GCdpdD025737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GCdoV5009685; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GCdlV5009607 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA32342 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:39:46 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA00986 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c363f3$771c4510$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:39:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone for such great info on this dress. Now all I need is a staff of people to help me embroider it! Or maybe Bjarne will volunteer himself for a few years? ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > > And the slits to my eye seem to not be fully spiral, but stop and start in > > the spiral pattern up the sleeve. > > I feel the same as there are very clear lines that also are textured (the > edges seem to be bound) then near the outside of her left arm there are > spaces between points where the surface is smooth > > > What I always wondered was if that red material was embroidered or woven > > with that gold pattern. Any ideas? > > I still think embroidery;) > > If anyone has the book by Blanch Payne there is an extant girl's dress from > around this time (a little later I think) and the way the embroidery stands > out is just the same as in this painting. There are fine scolling lines and > wide straight sections... > > It also shows a similar treatment to the decoration on this dress. So there > are differences between skirt and bodice and sleeves... of course this is a > skirt, bodice and over gown so when I say similar.. I mean the same sort of > ideas. > > http://glittersweet.com/paynefull.jpg > http://glittersweet.com/paynehalf.jpg > http://glittersweet.com/paynebodice.jpg > http://glittersweet.com/payneembroidery.jpg embroidery of the skirt up close > http://glittersweet.com/paynefold.jpg showing how the stripes are > embroidered seperately then put on later, there are very definate folds to > get the mitred corners. > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 12:37:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GGbRV5009534 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:37:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GGb0dD013890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GGatio018174; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orval.sprint.ca (orval.sprint.ca [209.5.194.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GGario018140 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.67.89]) by orval.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030816163652.EZTI11123.orval.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: <004701c36414$a88de1a0$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c36394$c8029d30$6501a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:37:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The sew first cut later trick was one of those happy 'why-didn't-I-think-of -that' things I picked up at a costuming workshop. When it comes to dagging, it sure made things go much smoother, especially if your lining fabric is different than the garment fabric. I will agree, common sense isn't always that common. I have a friend who always uses her cutting shears upside down, you would think it would be much more comfortable the other way... :-) Sheridan Saragrace wrote: > I was surprised when I found that doll makers almost solely sew first cut > later. Tracing seamlines makes so much sense, especially for beginning > sewers. I recently heared of a very respetable tailor who sews this way > most of the time. Though it does double your tracing/cut out time. I am > amazed at how many still don't get the concept of cuttting on the actual > cutting line and sewing on the seam line line.....I almost have to harp on > my students to do it...it just makes such common sense to me... > > Sg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Sheridan & Shane > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:00 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners > > > Hey thanks! :-) > > I have used a similar technique for making dags: sew first, cut later, turn > out. Definitely a good idea, I'll use it for banner #2. I will definitely be > taking you up on your offer for help on that one! > > I > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 16 14:37:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GIb7V5010178 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GIaPdD022396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GIaOIJ021277; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GIaKIJ021230 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-100-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.100.56]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC522F97D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: whats your degree in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200308132130.15084.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: <869231A9-D018-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7GIaKIJ021230 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would suspect it's because both types of people like building things themselves, enjoy late nights and long hours, and having most of the world have no understanding of /appreciation for what they do. ;) I think there are certain types of people that are "builders". On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Wednesday 13 August 2003 08:54 am, Cyn Bucheger wrote: >>> My husband (who is also a computer programmer) would probably say >>> that's >>> because both programmers and costumers tend to gravitate to, and be >>> part of, > SF fandom, though from what I've seen on this list that's >>> a >>> oversimplification since many of the costumers on this list aren't >>> involved with science fiction fandom. >> >> I would suggest that it is because computer programmers and costumers >> are >> use to thinking outside of the box... > > > Could be. I like this explanation--and I find it more plausible than > Catherine Kinsey's suggestion that there are a lot of ex-SF fen on > this list. > While it's clear there are certainly some, I suspect that it's far > from a > majority. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > No man is rich enough to buy back his > past. Oscar Wilde > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 12:42:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HGgFV5024816 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:42:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HGe4dD014348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HGdo7n026954; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HGdl7n026929 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-004scfairp0445.dialsprint.net ([63.184.225.191] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19oQZE-0004JG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:39:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3F3FBD3A.70100@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:36:58 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Smock pictures available, was Re: [h-cost] delurking with a partlet question References: <003d01c362dd$b48f98f0$bfd2adcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815095427.028c3b88@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Genie Barrett wrote: > As the originator of the partlet question, I now would like to know how > that particular neckline is achieved. If you look close, it is open. > If it's a shirt, is it just a few more gathers so that the neck doesn't > come closed? > > the URL again: http://costume.dm.net/gallery/1569.html If you are referring to the diamond that's formed by the open front of the shirt, it's just a regular old shirt with a band collar and a long slash down the front. If the collar is a straight rectangle, and it fits closely to your neck about halfway up, and you fasten it only at the very top, it will tend to take this shape. Most people's necks get bigger near the bottom, so a straight rectangle that is the right length for halfway up will naturally splay around the larger circumference lower down. In addition, when things are unfastened, they loosen up. Cheers, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 14:05:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI5cV5024950 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI54dD019994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI53Ik008529; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI4wIk008500 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-185-48.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.185.48]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688062F93A for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:04:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000c01c36394$c8029d30$6501a8c0@SG01> Message-Id: <4FD92829-D0DD-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've actually found if I mark my stitching line, NOT my cutting line, I save quite a bit of time in marking/cutting. I don't have to be as accurate with the cutting, since I have the stitching line marked clearly, and I can match it. On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Saragrace T. Knauf wrote: > I was surprised when I found that doll makers almost solely sew first > cut > later. Tracing seamlines makes so much sense, especially for beginning > sewers. I recently heared of a very respetable tailor who sews this > way > most of the time. Though it does double your tracing/cut out time. > I am > amazed at how many still don't get the concept of cuttting on the > actual > cutting line and sewing on the seam line line.....I almost have to > harp on > my students to do it...it just makes such common sense to me... > > Sg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Sheridan & Shane > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:00 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners > > > Hey thanks! :-) > > I have used a similar technique for making dags: sew first, cut later, > turn > out. Definitely a good idea, I'll use it for banner #2. I will > definitely be > taking you up on your offer for help on that one! > > I > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 14:06:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI6cV5024954 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:06:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI6GdD020050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI6FIk009166; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HI6DIk009135 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-185-48.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.185.48]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245662F93A for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:06:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030816012417.20714.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <7C2FBD2E-D0DD-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes yes! with lots of moor-stomping and long angry walks, so we can run into tall handsome men... *ahem* sorry, total fantasy moment. .heather. On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:24 PM, KATHRYN WOLTERS wrote: > And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear > an entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire > week at some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people > participating. There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, > etc . And I would need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent > butler and cook , as well:)LOL! > Albra > > Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 1:19 AM -0700 8/15/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>>> If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to >>>> 2 >>>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >>>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >>> >>> I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But >>> sometimes I >>> *do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high >>> accuracy >>> Viking wardrobe. >> >> Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of >> Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime >> activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the >> event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, >> underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. > > And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 14:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HIBmV5024962 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HIBCdD020458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7HIBBIk011536; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7HIB9Ik011508 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030817181109.43258.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:11:09 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7C2FBD2E-D0DD-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO giggle--why , yess---and in the rain!!! Albra Heather Meadows wrote: yes yes! with lots of moor-stomping and long angry walks, so we can run into tall handsome men... *ahem* sorry, total fantasy moment. .heather. On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:24 PM, KATHRYN WOLTERS wrote: > And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear > an entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire > week at some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people > participating. There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, > etc . And I would need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent > butler and cook , as well:)LOL! > Albra > > Heather Rose Jones --------------------------------- wrote: > At 1:19 AM -0700 8/15/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>>> If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to >>>> 2 >>>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a >>>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. >>> >>> I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But >>> sometimes I >>> *do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high >>> accuracy >>> Viking wardrobe. >> >> Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of >> Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime >> activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the >> event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, >> underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. > > And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 20:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I0N7V5025969 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I0MVdD019628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I0MSHw001715; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I0MPHw001643 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7I0MINC020682 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:52:18 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14])(8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7I0MIiE020676 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:52:18 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:52:18 +0930 Message-ID: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EBC@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:52:11 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [h-cost] Re. scots/celtic/fantasy type costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Joe, sorry I took a while to answer - I'm on digest, and don't read email over the weekend. As for time period - Just about anything goes. Having looked at the sites Kimiko recommended (thanks Kimiko!), I'm now looking more at finding something like "Scottish National dress" or "celtic fantasy" - purely because I think wearing a leinne and arisaid would feel like wearing a nightie and blanket. Of course, everytime I look for "Scottish National Dress", I find a picture of a man in a kilt! So what do women wear for such occasions ? Message: 11 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:02:58 -0500 From: Joe Robertson Subject: Re: [h-cost] scots/celtic/fantasy type costume To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <3F3C5B71.5B7F676F@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there a particular time period they are trying to target? I might be able to point you the right direction. Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 21:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1QHV5026056 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1PWdD023681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1PUFT002027; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1PSFT001950 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.184.181.109] (HELO charter.net) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 125804030 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:25:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3F402ABC.190412B8@charter.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:24:12 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. scots/celtic/fantasy type costume References: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EBC@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Rebecca, I'm going to focus on modern dress. If you need references for earlier stuff, please let me know.In modern times, dress depends very much on the formality and type of event you are attending, as well as when you are attending it. Here's a few items that should get you started. The main thing you need to remember when putting together a wardrobe for highland events is that highland dress is conservative. Day Wear This is what women would usually wear during the daylight hours. A lass might wear a tartan skirt that drops to just past the knee, which would be worn in conjunction with a complimentary blouse or sweater (in cooler weather). Do NOT wear stripes, polka dots, combat boots, flip flops, or stuff from the Big Dog store with highland attire. :o) Tartan or plain slacks can also be worn. If desired, a tartan ruana (similar to a poncho or wrap) might be worn. Women may also wear tartan tams or scarves as accessories or by themselves. For more formal daytime affairs, a full length tartan hostess skirt might be worn. The accessories would need to be a bit more formal to match. Evening Wear Evening hours usher in the formal aspect of highland attire when men will generally be in black bow ties. The ladies might wear their tartan skirt with a more formal blouse or top, such as a jabot blouse, and might also wear a dark solid coloured vest of sorts over the jabot. At the most formal of events, the men will be in strutting peacock mode, so join right in. Women at these black tie events will generally wear very nice conservative evening gowns with a wool or silk tartan sash secured at the right shoulder with a pretty brooch of some sort. Here are a few things to remember when dressing in modern highland attire. 1. First of all, modern highland dress is not period for ren-faires. What you are are achieving here is the highland look for today. 2. Clan tartans, though accepted and perfectly cool to wear today, were a marketing scheme of weavers in the early 19th century. You are correct to wear the tartan of your clan or family, or there are many generic one's (like Scotland Nat'l tartan, USA tartan, or others) that would be equally correct. You must remember that there is no legal reason not to wear any that you want, but show your pride by wearing something that you actually have some attachment with. 3. Women do not wear sporrans, the belt purses worn in front by men in kilts (no pockets). Carry the conservative purse of your choosing. 4. Keep the shoes correct for the occasion. Like I mentioned before, combat boots are never correct! Choose comfortable shoes that would be correct for the situation if you weren't in highland attire. I hope this helps you out a bit. You will need to find So you're going to wear the Kilt by J. Charles Thompson, or Tartans and Highland Dress by C.R. MacKinnon. Both are excellent resources for modern highland attire and come highly recommended (I have both). The second book is out of print and rare, but you can find copies online through book dealers. Look forward to speaking again! Slainte, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 17 21:58:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1wfV5026488 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:58:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1wDdD025839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1wAY6017799; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-f6.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.245.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I1w8Y6017707 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:58:03 -0700 Received: from 12.23.71.156 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:58:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.23.71.156] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:58:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 01:58:03.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[28A0A950:01C3652C] Subject: [h-cost] 19th Century Clothing Workshops X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a brief de-lurk to announce that we will be teaching 19th century clothing workshops in Kansas and Arkansas this October. 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Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 01:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I52iV5027010 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:02:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I52CdD010343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I528Og016336; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I525Og016288 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJS00HVMTZDBB@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:27:01 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners In-reply-to: <4FD92829-D0DD-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030817212552.02f50188@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <000c01c36394$c8029d30$6501a8c0@SG01> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:04 AM 8/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I've actually found if I mark my stitching line, NOT my cutting line, I save >quite a bit of time in marking/cutting. I don't have to be as accurate >with the cutting, >since I have the stitching line marked clearly, and I can match it. I want to try this on a project. Does marking the stitching line mean only cutting one layer at a time? How do you line up marks between say front and back of a piece? Any other tips you might have on this would be very appreciated. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 01:03:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I53BV5027014 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I52edD010383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I52dOg016663; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I525Oi016288 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com ([129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJS00HVMTZDBB@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:36:13 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <000e01c363f3$771c4510$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:39 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks everyone for such great info on this dress. Now all I need is a staff >of people to help me embroider it! Or maybe Bjarne will volunteer himself >for a few years? Hi Beteena, Ok, you've got me thinking on this dress again. I found a rose cotton velvet online, and a silk duchess satin locally, that might be usable for embroidery. What I have been pondering is the embroidery, and I think many of the pieces might be applique, with additional stitching for filler, such as I have seen with a few other pieces of the times in my embroidery books. So, can anyone here tell if it is satin or velvet that is the base of the gown? How does one tell, anyway. I mean sometimes looking at the image, it is obvious one way or the other, but sometimes it doesn't seem to be. Anyone ever see this painting up close? If I actually can afford that duchess silk which I just found on 50% off at a local store (it would need dyeing), I may just actually try reproducing this dress. It might just take me two years, but it has been calling me over the past few years. So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk satin, as in yards of it? Kimiko (who might just get over her head with this dream) Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 01:10:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I5A4V5027024 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I59bdD010981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I59aOg020519; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7I59WOg020470 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-185-48.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.185.48]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DB92F93E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:09:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030817212552.02f50188@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <258D8B3A-D13A-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO you can do both layers at once, if you use marking paper under and above the fabric. I do this with most of my muslins, and I use the large sheets of carbon (like typewriter carbon) that stained glass workers use. They cost about 40 cents a sheet, and I have yet to use one up. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:27 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 11:04 AM 8/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> I've actually found if I mark my stitching line, NOT my cutting line, >> I save >> quite a bit of time in marking/cutting. I don't have to be as >> accurate with the cutting, >> since I have the stitching line marked clearly, and I can match it. > > > I want to try this on a project. Does marking the stitching line mean > only cutting one layer at a time? How do you line up marks between say > front and back of a piece? Any other tips you might have on this would > be very appreciated. > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 06:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IACtV5000317 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IACQdD001394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IACHoX007651; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IACDoX007600 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beca.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.202]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AA5985EE21A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:12:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:14:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I tryed to go to the page at glittersweet to se the picture again, but i couldnt get trough. Maybe the black out you had over there has something to do with that. But as i recall the picture, i would say it was made of silk satin, a heavy silk satin. The way it shades makes me think that. One thing you could do to easy up the embroidery was if you used gold coloured silks in stead of real gold thread. It is much easyer to work with, and whow, if you really have the curridge to make all that embroidery, i surely must take my bows for you! Eterna silk has a very large range of embroidery floss to choose from, they also has online colours you could look for. They have a wonderfull way to treat their costumers, and i am a very pleased costumer of theirs. When i order from them, i usually takes a lot home in one posting, and then all the different shades of same colour is wrapped-rolled in the prettyest way in silk paper and tied with a silk ribbon. I actually use those silkpaper packages when i work with embroidery, and i can use it to put the threads back into the paper and roll it together and use the silktribbon. Then i just write wich colour i have outside each package, and have it ready for next time this way. http://www.threadexpress.com/ It is lovely when you have desided for a projekt, almost just as lovely as to make it! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > At 08:39 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks everyone for such great info on this dress. Now all I need is a staff > >of people to help me embroider it! Or maybe Bjarne will volunteer himself > >for a few years? > > > Hi Beteena, > > Ok, you've got me thinking on this dress again. I found a rose cotton > velvet online, and a silk duchess satin locally, that might be usable for > embroidery. What I have been pondering is the embroidery, and I think many > of the pieces might be applique, with additional stitching for filler, such > as I have seen with a few other pieces of the times in my embroidery books. > > So, can anyone here tell if it is satin or velvet that is the base of the > gown? How does one tell, anyway. I mean sometimes looking at the image, it > is obvious one way or the other, but sometimes it doesn't seem to be. > Anyone ever see this painting up close? > > If I actually can afford that duchess silk which I just found on 50% off at > a local store (it would need dyeing), I may just actually try reproducing > this dress. It might just take me two years, but it has been calling me > over the past few years. > > So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk > satin, as in yards of it? > > Kimiko > (who might just get over her head with this dream) > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 07:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB94V5000513 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8fdD005410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8eUM003112; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8bUM003043 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 60BBD4C0018A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:08:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <004401c36579$0c35b380$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:08:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Oxford Day Schools X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just now, I received notices about a couple of courses which may interest some people here. They're put on by Oxford University Department for Continuing Education, see http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/ (There may very well be other courses of interest, these are just two for which I happen to have the informations sheets.) The first is "Jane Austen and the Reconstruction of the Regency Interior", 27th March, 2004, 35. is Dr. Karen Lipsedge. "The accompliched woman": Austen and her novels 2. Fact versus fiction: the real and imagined world of the Regency interior 3. The costume drama: twentieth-century re-interpretations of "Pride and Prejudice" 4. New approaches: re-interpretating "Pride and Prejudice" in the future (workshop and discussion). Here's the web address http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/showCourse.asp?courseId=O03P398ARJ but it doesn't tell you a great deal. If you ask for the information sheet to be sent to you, it includes useful things a background reading list. The second is "Image and Self-Fashioning at the Elizabethan and Jacobean Court", 29th May, 2004, 35. The lecturers are Cathy Oakes and Christine Jackson. There are four talks:- 1. How Nicholas Hilliard and Isaac Oliver painted their sitters 2. Fashioning an image of nobility in words and pictures: the autobiography and portraits of Edward Lord Herbert of Cherbury. 3. The faces of Elizabeth I 4. Noble women as daughters, wives, mothers and widows: projecting ideals and reflecting realities. Here's the web address http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/showCourse.asp?courseId=O03P403HIJ (advice as above). No affiliations - just a satisfied customer! Linda Walton. P.S. Book early - these Saturday Schools fill up very quickly. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 07:09:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB9FV5000517 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8tdD005441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8sUM003267; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IB8nUM003164 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0121.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.122]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE76819FB0D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:12:33 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I wonder what her headress is. Is it someting like a french hood? Open at the back ore closed like an oval pillbox kind of hood? http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 07:51:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IBpTV5000620 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IBlZdD007850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IBlYUM018640; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IBlUUM018614 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-029scfairp0030.dialsprint.net ([63.179.120.30] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19oiTx-00064d-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:47:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:44:40 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk > satin, as in yards of it? I dyed about eight yards of heavy silk satin about a year ago. I did it in a dye vat at a professional costume shop (and hung to dry), and I can't say I'd recommend a washing machine. If you don't have friends at a local theatre or university with a dye vat, you could call and ask if you could "rent" their vat for a small fee. I used a silk dye from http://www.jacquardproducts.com/, and the only problem I have is that it isn't completely fast. That is, if you rub it, you can get a little bit of color to come off. I used the "stovetop" instructions (as the dye vat is basically a big soup kettle), so I'm not sure what to do to make it more colorfast. Suggestions from dye-savvy list members are welcome. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 08:20:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICKfV5000722 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICKDdD009728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICKC1D004196; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9401.mail.yahoo.com (web9401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7ICK91D004158 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030818122009.42756.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:20:09 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually I've used the same dyes--and I have used my washing machine(I just run a couple of washes thru afterwards with 2 cups of bleach so my husband does'nt scream if his shorts turn peach --:) to dye up to 12 yards of silk taffeta. I also use vinegar to help set the color in the dye bath. The fabric still bleeds slightly. I had to press the fabric later --and it DID lose it's sizing. As to the the embroidery --I'm fairly sure it's couched metal cords--and that the inner areas are either gold colored silk over parchment(a sort of padded satin stitch) or metal passing threads worked over the parchment. They often used parchment or felted material as a base on which to work the top threads. Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion--1560-1620---show a lot of couched cord ornamentation. Take a peek at figure 227 on page 32. The figure number 348 on page 49 shows a pattern similar to what you are contemplating--but since it is worked in colored silks outlined in couched metal cord using goldne colored silk. Also look at figures 289 and 291 on page 41---which shows details from the Eleonora of Toledo gown. I've done this kind of embroidery before--it's what I teach :) It is'nt hard to do --but very time consuming---but oh--the results are breathtaking! Albra Melanie Schuessler wrote: Kimiko Small wrote: > So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk > satin, as in yards of it? I dyed about eight yards of heavy silk satin about a year ago. I did it in a dye vat at a professional costume shop (and hung to dry), and I can't say I'd recommend a washing machine. If you don't have friends at a local theatre or university with a dye vat, you could call and ask if you could "rent" their vat for a small fee. I used a silk dye from http://www.jacquardproducts.com/, and the only problem I have is that it isn't completely fast. That is, if you rub it, you can get a little bit of color to come off. I used the "stovetop" instructions (as the dye vat is basically a big soup kettle), so I'm not sure what to do to make it more colorfast. Suggestions from dye-savvy list members are welcome. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 08:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICnUV5000787 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:49:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICmxdD011996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICmw1D017826; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ICmq1D017787 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28084 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:48:52 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28080 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c36587$09331980$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > At 08:39 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks everyone for such great info on this dress. Now all I need is a staff > >of people to help me embroider it! Or maybe Bjarne will volunteer himself > >for a few years? > > > Hi Beteena, > > Ok, you've got me thinking on this dress again. I found a rose cotton > velvet online, and a silk duchess satin locally, that might be usable for > embroidery. What I have been pondering is the embroidery, and I think many > of the pieces might be applique, with additional stitching for filler, such > as I have seen with a few other pieces of the times in my embroidery books. > > So, can anyone here tell if it is satin or velvet that is the base of the > gown? How does one tell, anyway. I mean sometimes looking at the image, it > is obvious one way or the other, but sometimes it doesn't seem to be. > Anyone ever see this painting up close? > > If I actually can afford that duchess silk which I just found on 50% off at > a local store (it would need dyeing), I may just actually try reproducing > this dress. It might just take me two years, but it has been calling me > over the past few years. > > So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk > satin, as in yards of it? > > Kimiko > (who might just get over her head with this dream) > You know, I always thought it was a silk (non-velvet) because of the sheen it seems to have, but I looked at a closeup and the fabric seems to have a bit of texture. Of course, I am only looking at an image and not a great one. I would love to see the original painting!!!! I agree about the appliqu. Kimiko... you know, as you are spending two years making one, it isn't that much effort to make another at the same time. *whistles innocently* Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDBUV5000867 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDAwdD013439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDAvSp028001; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDAtSp027981 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-15-148.o1.jps.net ([216.119.15.148] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ojmf-0000ll-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:10:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c3658a$5a63fba0$940f77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1><000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <004401c36579$0c35b380$97725651@bella> Subject: Elizabethan Drama correspondence courses was Re: [h-cost] Oxford Day Schools Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:12:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Linda, these are nice to drool over. I don't suppose you are taking in house guests? :) I could do windows in exchange! I don't suppose anyone knows of any good correspondence courses in Elizabethan Drama on offer. This area is really interesting me, but I don't have the time or sense of permanency as to where I am living to sign up for any on campus courses. Even a Shakespeare course would be nice. Thanks, Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com Thrednedle Strete Clothiers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] Oxford Day Schools > Just now, I received notices about a couple of courses which may interest > some people here. They're put on by Oxford University Department for > Continuing Education, see > http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/ > (There may very well be other courses of interest, these are just two for > which I happen to have the informations sheets.) > > The first is "Jane Austen and the Reconstruction of the Regency Interior", > 27th March, 2004, 35. is Dr. Karen Lipsedge. > "The accompliched woman": Austen and her novels > 2. Fact versus fiction: the real and imagined world of the Regency > interior > 3. The costume drama: twentieth-century re-interpretations of "Pride and > Prejudice" > 4. New approaches: re-interpretating "Pride and Prejudice" in the future > (workshop and discussion). > Here's the web address > http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/showCourse.asp?courseId=O03P398ARJ > but it doesn't tell you a great deal. If you ask for the information sheet > to be sent to you, it includes useful things a background reading list. > > The second is "Image and Self-Fashioning at the Elizabethan and Jacobean > Court", 29th May, 2004, 35. The lecturers are Cathy Oakes and Christine > Jackson. > There are four talks:- > 1. How Nicholas Hilliard and Isaac Oliver painted their sitters > 2. Fashioning an image of nobility in words and pictures: the > autobiography and portraits of Edward Lord Herbert of Cherbury. > 3. The faces of Elizabeth I > 4. Noble women as daughters, wives, mothers and widows: projecting ideals > and reflecting realities. > Here's the web address > http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/showCourse.asp?courseId=O03P403HIJ > (advice as above). > > No affiliations - just a satisfied customer! > > > Linda Walton. > P.S. Book early - these Saturday Schools fill up very quickly. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDEtV5000881 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:14:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDEadD013696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDEYSp029906; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDEVSp029872 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04803 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:14:31 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22054 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c3658a$9e9cbc30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1><000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:14:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > Hi, > > I wonder what her headress is. Is it someting like a french hood? > Open at the back ore closed like an oval pillbox kind of hood? > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html > > Greetings, > Deredere I always assumed it was a sort of pillbox that was shaped a little differently. But that is a great question! I have been so absorbed by the details of the dress, I hadn't even made it up to the hat yet. Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:16:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDGCV5000896 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:16:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDFldD013788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDFlSp000617; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDFjSp000604 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-15-148.o1.jps.net ([216.119.15.148] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ojrM-00061t-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:15:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c3658b$082afb80$940f77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> Subject: professional dye vats Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:17:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I dyed about eight yards of heavy silk satin about a year ago. I did it > in a dye vat at a professional costume shop (and hung to dry), and I > can't say I'd recommend a washing machine. Apart from the general description of the professional dye vat being a big soup kettle, you would care to pass on some more specifics as to exactly what a "professional" dye vat is? Thanks, Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDVhV5000949 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDVGdD014736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDVESp008997; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav14.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDVCSp008934 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:31:07 -0700 Received: from 24.200.216.140 by bay9-dav14.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:31:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.216.140] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:31:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 13:31:07.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAFB35E0:01C3658C] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > Kimiko Small wrote: > > > So, does anyone have any experience on how easy it is to dye heavy silk > > satin, as in yards of it? > > I dyed about eight yards of heavy silk satin about a year ago. I did it > in a dye vat at a professional costume shop (and hung to dry), and I > can't say I'd recommend a washing machine. If you don't have friends at > a local theatre or university with a dye vat, you could call and ask if > you could "rent" their vat for a small fee. > > I used a silk dye from http://www.jacquardproducts.com/, and the only > problem I have is that it isn't completely fast. That is, if you rub > it, you can get a little bit of color to come off. I used the > "stovetop" instructions (as the dye vat is basically a big soup kettle), > so I'm not sure what to do to make it more colorfast. Suggestions from > dye-savvy list members are welcome. Did you use vinegar to fix the dye? I'm not very dye-savvy but I do know that wool and silk dyes should be fixed with vinegar.... That's the only thing I can think of :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:46:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDkZV5000998 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:46:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDkAdD015986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDk8Sp017161; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDk6Sp017144 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id h7IDk6f389282 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:46:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:46:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Did you use vinegar to fix the dye? I'm not very dye-savvy but I do know > that wool and silk dyes should be fixed with vinegar.... That's the only > thing I can think of :-) was it a protein (silk/wool) dye? Silk can also be dyed using fiber-reactive dyes (meant for cellulosics like cotton, rayon and linen), for which you need to make the solution basic, usually using soda ash. Maybe it is fast, you just didn't rinse it enough? Or maybe it just isn't totally fast. I usually use Procion (spelling?) dyes, with excellent results. emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 09:52:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDqpV5001020 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDqKdD016432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDqJSp020825; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IDqGSp020684 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:52:11 -0700 Received: from 24.200.216.140 by bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:52:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.216.140] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:53:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 13:52:11.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC10D280:01C3658F] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Did you use vinegar to fix the dye? I'm not very dye-savvy but I do know > > that wool and silk dyes should be fixed with vinegar.... That's the only > > thing I can think of :-) > > was it a protein (silk/wool) dye? Silk can also be dyed using > fiber-reactive dyes (meant for cellulosics like cotton, rayon and linen), > for which you need to make the solution basic, usually using soda ash. > Maybe it is fast, you just didn't rinse it enough? Or maybe it just isn't > totally fast. I usually use Procion (spelling?) dyes, with excellent > results. But people at Dharma told me to fix Procion dyes with vinegar when dyeing silk or wool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 10:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEPTV5001216 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IENudD019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IENtBh009928; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web.antekhou.com (adsl-66-136-30-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.136.30.169]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IENoBh009848 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from escom.antek [192.168.0.151] by web.antekhou.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id A171F803B2; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:23:45 -0500 Received: From PACws22 ([65.45.18.250]) by escom.antek (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1061216623959; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <007701c3658f$d5a07fa0$0f64a8c0@algx> From: "Cyn Bucheger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st batch V&A photos: 2 shifts, 16th c. feather fan & fabric Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The fan is 16th c. apparently, > http://www.kipar.org/temp/VA/ > > Hi, I have a question about the fan. Does the handle look to be jewelers work- i.e. precious metal or is it gilded wood? I've been working on a replica of such a fan and would love to know alittle more... Cyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 10:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEkcV5001373 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:46:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEk4dD021176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEk3Bh026239; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7IEk0Bh026135 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030818144555.5211.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:45:55 BST Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:45:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st batch V&A photos: 2 shifts, 16th c. feather fan & fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007701c3658f$d5a07fa0$0f64a8c0@algx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.silvertyne.com/~smaynard/unsuited/albums/victoria_and_albert_museum/pages/IM000589_JPG.htm This one here is a better shot than mine. The handle seems to be enamelled metal. Nicole > Hi, I have a question about the fan. Does the handle look to be jewelers > work- i.e. precious metal or is it gilded wood? I've been working on a > replica of such a fan and would love to know alittle more... > > Cyn > > ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 10:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEwpV5001430 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEwQdD022254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEwMak005627; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IEwKak005495 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jessica.webwarren.com (bgp380694bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.16.142]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by webwarren.com (8.12.8/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7IEwCnU020105 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:58:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818103349.03b366b0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: arachne@pop.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:57:49 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. scots/celtic/fantasy type costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" wrote: >Of course, everytime I look for "Scottish National Dress", I find a picture >of a man in a kilt! So what do women wear for such occasions ? There are a couple of different possibilities here. What Joe mentioned seems to be what you'll find lasses wearing at Highland Games or what you might see in photos of the British Royal Family at events in Scotland. "So You're Going to Wear the Kilt" has a section on women's dress in which they have the women wearing white shift-like gowns with narrow, thin, wool-or-silk sashes worn in various ways depending upon the woman's clan and marital status. Draped over the right shoulder is, IIRC, indicative of a single woman or a woman who has married within her clan. Draped over the left shoulder is indicative of a clan chieftain (female) or the wife of the clan chieftain. A woman who's married out of her clan is supposed to wear it draped over the right shoulder and tied in a bow at the left hip. (Hmm...) Apparently this particular version of attire was (at the time of writing) similar to that approved by the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society (or something like that, I've forgotten the exact name). There's another leaflet, put out by Unicorn Press (and I've forgotten its name and where I've put my copy of it) dealing with "women's traditional dress". The outfit described here is a bit of a cross between the attire of female Highland dancers competing in the fling, sword dance, jig, etc. (kilt, jabot blouse, vest) and the attire of female Highland dancers competing in the National (full-skirted longer dress, arisaid draped over one shoulder -- this outfit is also known as the "aboyne"). Start with a typical "peasant blouse" with set-in sleeves gathered at the armscye. Add to this a long gathered tartan skirt in the sett you have chosen (as per Joe's remarks -- but note that in some environs, you *must* have a connection to a named sett in order to wear it), a tartan arisaid (I think it's about 1 yd wide by 2-3 yd long?) out of the same sett as the skirt, and a bodice that looks remarkably like a cross-laced, front-lacing version of the boned-tabbed corset on the front of Margo's Elizabethan Underpinnings pattern... but out of the same fabrics and trims as a woman's dance-competition vest. To put on the outfit, you start with the blouse/chemise. Note that on the shoulder seams of the chemise, there are five tartan bows to indicate points where the sleeves were once separate. Then you put on your skirt. Then you take a thin belt or cord and use it to secure the arisaid to your waist as if it were a front-opening overskirt... or an apron across your butt. Then you put on the bodice. Then you take the lower right corner of the arisaid and drape it over your shoulder from back to front, with the point hanging down in front, and secure it with a brooch. (There may be an option to do the same with the other side; I don't remember offhand.) If you are doing this for renfaire, for a wedding, for a costumed or dress event, or for fun, you might want to look at some of the "Irish", "Scottish", and "Celtic" outfits sold by some of the online vendors of Ren garb. Another option would be to check the "Big Three" costume patterns. Simplicity 8855, I think, is one version of "Scottish" costume... Hope this helps! Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 12:52:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGq0V5002536 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGncdD004349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGnSAO015029; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGnKAO014887 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-185-48.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.185.48]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E6A2F99E for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:49:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Heather Meadows To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] tribe.net X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those of you on tribe.net, I've created a new "tribe" for Historical Costume - http://historical_costume.tribe.net enjoy! .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 13:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHYrV5002834 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGZrdD002826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGZiAO002700; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net ([64.164.98.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IGZdAO002629 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-119-247.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.119.247]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7IGZXd9023187 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818092438.00bb36e0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:32:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: Re: professional dye vats Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-Reply-To: <001a01c3658b$082afb80$940f77d8@pavilion> References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:17 AM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > I dyed about eight yards of heavy silk satin about a year ago. I did it > > in a dye vat at a professional costume shop (and hung to dry), and I > > can't say I'd recommend a washing machine. > >Apart from the general description of the professional dye vat being a big >soup kettle, you would care to pass on some more specifics as to exactly >what a "professional" dye vat is? > >Thanks, > >Lisa Sinervo >www.ThrednedleStrete.com The best ones are large pots (holding 10 gallons and up), usually with a spigot at the bottom for draining, and mounted on a gas ring or heating element. They're wonderful because you can dye large pieces of fabric (such as blanket wool), and don't have to worry about trying to drain the dye out of the vat; you just open the tap at the bottom, and it goes down the drain. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 13:56:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHubV5002906 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHtndD012911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHte2D018818; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHtU2D018691 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Brainiac.pacbell.net (adsl-67-124-119-247.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.124.119.247]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7IHtNd9003324 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: dtjacobson@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:52:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Jacobson Subject: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:53 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > Did you use vinegar to fix the dye? I'm not very dye-savvy but I do know > > > that wool and silk dyes should be fixed with vinegar.... That's the only > > > thing I can think of :-) > > > > was it a protein (silk/wool) dye? Silk can also be dyed using > > fiber-reactive dyes (meant for cellulosics like cotton, rayon and linen), > > for which you need to make the solution basic, usually using soda ash. > > Maybe it is fast, you just didn't rinse it enough? Or maybe it just isn't > > totally fast. I usually use Procion (spelling?) dyes, with excellent > > results. > >But people at Dharma told me to fix Procion dyes with vinegar when dyeing >silk or wool. OK, some "rules of thumb" for dyeing fabrics. These are the ones I've found work for me over the past 10 years: you may have others. There are 2 kinds of dye: Fiber-reactive and Acid. Fiber-reactive dyes (Procion is one brand) are good dyes for any kind of non-protein fiber that will take dye (linen, cotton, linen-cotton blends, rayon). These work well in cold water, are nice and bright, and are color-fast. Soda ash (sodium carbonate) is used to raise the acidity of the dye bath and "lock" the dye onto the fiber. Soda ash is also caustic; while plant-based fibers can take the harshness, it can make protein-based fibers harsh and brittle. Acid dyes (Jacquard is one brand) are the preferred dyes for protein-based fibers (wool, silk, camel hair, dog hair, etc.). These are interesting fibers to dye, because you're manipulating the fiber at the cellular level. Most people are familiar with using acid dyes, but for those that have never done it, the process is (briefly): Wet the fiber to be dyed, mix up the dye solution in a dye pot, add the fiber and let it soak, bring the dye solution slowly up to the temperature of hot tap water (about 120 degrees), add vinegar, and hold at that temperature for a period of time, then slowly bring the dye solution up to a full simmer and simmer for a period of time. Let cool slowly in the dye solution, then wash when it has completely cooled. The reason for this long process is that by warming up the fiber in the dye solution, you are opening the cuticle on the fiber shaft, putting the dye into the shaft, and then closing the cuticle. The slow heating and cooling allows the fiber to adjust to the changes (no felting). If you find you are still having problems with dye transfer after dyeing a piece of fabric, the problem is not usually color-fastness, but crocking. Crocking occurs when there is excess dye left on the fabric; if you've ever had a new pair of blue jeans rub blue onto a white shirt, this is crocking. Most fabrics crock when they are new (one reason to prewash everything)--I've had purchased fabrics that were so dye-laden when they came from the mill I had to wash them 3-4 times before being able to use them. To prevent serious crocking or dye transfer, make sure to wash the fabric in Sythrapol (available from Dharma Trading Co.) thoroughly; Synthrapol suspends the excess dye in the water and keeps it from going back onto the fabric. This may take 2-3 trips through the washer. The key to maintaining the stiffness in silks such as dupioni or duchess satin is to keep from washing out the sericin. Sericin is a protein-based glue that the silkworm produces in the spinning process. Heat (such as hot water) dissolves this glue, so avoiding heat is essential. The best way to maintain the sericin in a piece of silk is to use Procion or other fiber-reactive dye, and set the dye using steam with vinegar in it; Dharma gives instructions on how to do this in their catalog. This will set the dye, but will not remove the excess; silk done this way should not be washed, and I would even have second thoughts about dry-cleaning. If the sericin has already been removed, you can add some of the "stiffness" back by rinsing the fabric in water with a little starch. Dawn Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 13:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHwGV5002911 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHvkdD013221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHvj2D020765; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IHvd2D020653 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lgsteph (AS53-01-160.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.160]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h7IHvbE26072 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501c365b2$cd2bf520$a007d1d8@lgsteph> From: "Five Rivers" To: "Historic Costume List" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:01:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] silk noile X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Was it on this list or in my imagination there was a discussion regarding the use of silk noile pre-19th century for daywear, generally considered inferior and unsuitable for upper class or evening wear? Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 14:07:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7II7iV5002959 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7II7GdD014621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7II7B2D000212; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7II6x2D029880 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from karen (CPE-24-31-232-172.kc.rr.com [24.31.232.172]) h7II6v2a026861 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:06:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Talia" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk noile Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:06:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <003501c365b2$cd2bf520$a007d1d8@lgsteph> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And speaking of silk, what types are suitable for 14th-15th century clothing? I'm a linen girl myself, don't know anything about appropriate silks, but since I'm making a trip to the Los Angeles garment district next month I'd like to take a look at silk. Need to know what types are suitable for my period... TIA, Talia > Was it on this list or in my imagination there was a discussion > regarding the use of silk noile pre-19th century for daywear, generally > considered inferior and unsuitable for upper class or evening wear? > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 14:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IIOuV5003022 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IINVdD016711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IINS2D015891; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IINN2D015797 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19oof4-000NRe-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:23:22 +0100 Message-ID: <00s7LuBNlRQ$IwoI@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:22:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> <004501c3658a$9e9cbc30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <004501c3658a$9e9cbc30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it comes too far forward for a pillbox type caul. I would guess it's a heavily decorated flat hood, open at the back with a fall behind. The picture's not large enough for me to see, is there the hint of a black fall behind her neck? Jean Beteena Paradise wrote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Deredere Galbraith" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:12 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > > >> Hi, >> >> I wonder what her headress is. Is it someting like a french hood? >> Open at the back ore closed like an oval pillbox kind of hood? >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere > >I always assumed it was a sort of pillbox that was shaped a little >differently. But that is a great question! I have been so absorbed by the >details of the dress, I hadn't even made it up to the hat yet. > >Teena > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9jV5003211 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9IdD022551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9G4i029441; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9D4i029402 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJT00D17X75FN@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:36:07 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113212.02f60f30@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:52 AM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The key to maintaining the stiffness in silks such as dupioni or duchess >satin is to keep from washing out the sericin. Sericin is a protein-based >glue that the silkworm produces in the spinning process. Heat (such as hot >water) dissolves this glue, so avoiding heat is essential. The best way to >maintain the sericin in a piece of silk is to use Procion or other >fiber-reactive dye, and set the dye using steam with vinegar in it; Dharma >gives instructions on how to do this in their catalog. This will set the >dye, but will not remove the excess; silk done this way should not be >washed, and I would even have second thoughts about dry-cleaning. If the >sericin has already been removed, you can add some of the "stiffness" back >by rinsing the fabric in water with a little starch. > >Dawn Wow, Dawn, thanks for so much info on dyeing for the silk types. I have dyed wool, so I was familiar with the process, but not sure how it would go with silk, since all I read about that was setting painted silk with a steamer. And I sure would hate to make this dress to find out it could never ever be cleaned or the satin dyed, let alone wear it to an event outside or around food. No wonder only the nobility would wear such garments. I wonder how they dealt with any cleaning issues? I think I will ponder how to deal with the satin and dyeing issue... and is this really something I want to deal with. Thanks again. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 15:10:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJASV5003215 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:10:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9tdD022663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9r4i000121; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9D4k029402 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJT00D17X75FN@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:39:42 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <001e01c36587$09331980$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113723.02ff38c0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:48 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Kimiko... you know, as you are spending two years making one, it isn't that >much effort to make another at the same time. *whistles innocently* > >Teena LOL!!! Ah, ... right. I think if, major if, I do this dress, it will be one and only. No slight to anyone else, but I know all too well my own level of ... patience factor when it comes to working on something. I just have to decide if I really, really want to do this dress. It looks like you are on your way there already. I can't wait to see how yours turns out. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 15:10:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJAmV5003218 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:10:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJACdD022730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJA84i000481; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9D4m029402 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJT00D17X75FN@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:48:33 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <00s7LuBNlRQ$IwoI@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818114757.03001bb0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <004501c3658a$9e9cbc30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> <004501c3658a$9e9cbc30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:22 PM 8/18/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I think it comes too far forward for a pillbox type caul. I would guess >it's a heavily decorated flat hood, open at the back with a fall behind. >The picture's not large enough for me to see, is there the hint of a black >fall behind her neck? > >Jean There is a shadow behind the neck, but I can't tell if it is from a fall, her hair, or just a trick of the painting or light. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 15:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJB1V5003221 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJAQdD022792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJAQ4i000785; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJ9D4o029402 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJT00D17X75FN@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:56:28 -0700 From: Kimiko Small X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818114842.03001a68@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested Subject: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, While I am chatting about the Isabelle de Valois dress, my current project requires me to make something more appropriate for next year's court, which is 1588 or thereabouts. As I have made and dealt with earlier years, especially 1560, I am not sure about the look of that time. I know the Armada dress is appropriate, as is the portrait of Elizabeth Brydges (who was 14), but I am not understanding the proper look and shape of the late 1580s from just those two gowns. How full were the bum rolls? Were they wearing the French farthingales yet, or is that 1590s? Does someone here have a better understanding of what would be appropriate? Or any other suggestions of portraits to look at? Any info on that specific time period would be appreciated. And I already have Hunniset's book for the underpinnings, I am trying to come up with the style. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 15:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJOjV5003474 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:24:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJNxdD025037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IJNtAt014291; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7IJNoAt014186 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 35274 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Aug 2003 19:23:41 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.075287 secs); 18 Aug 2003 19:23:41 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.075287 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 19:23:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113212.02f60f30@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030818152215.Y79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So I'm wondering, how did they avoid this in period? All of the period silk-dyeing recipes I've found involve boiling or hot water. Plus, regulations (in late 16th c. England, at least) required silk dyers to boil and scour their silk before dyeing to get rid of gum. Yet, they produced wonderfully shiny satins and taffetas. Things that make you go hm, Drea On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 10:52 AM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >The key to maintaining the stiffness in silks such as dupioni or duchess > >satin is to keep from washing out the sericin. Sericin is a protein-based > >glue that the silkworm produces in the spinning process. Heat (such as hot > >water) dissolves this glue, so avoiding heat is essential. The best way to > >maintain the sericin in a piece of silk is to use Procion or other > >fiber-reactive dye, and set the dye using steam with vinegar in it; Dharma > >gives instructions on how to do this in their catalog. This will set the > >dye, but will not remove the excess; silk done this way should not be > >washed, and I would even have second thoughts about dry-cleaning. If the > >sericin has already been removed, you can add some of the "stiffness" back > >by rinsing the fabric in water with a little starch. > > > >Dawn > > > Wow, Dawn, thanks for so much info on dyeing for the silk types. I have > dyed wool, so I was familiar with the process, but not sure how it would go > with silk, since all I read about that was setting painted silk with a steamer. > > And I sure would hate to make this dress to find out it could never ever be > cleaned or the satin dyed, let alone wear it to an event outside or around > food. No wonder only the nobility would wear such garments. I wonder how > they dealt with any cleaning issues? > > I think I will ponder how to deal with the satin and dyeing issue... and is > this really something I want to deal with. > > Thanks again. > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 16:07:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IK7RV5003783 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IK6hdD003261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IK6eZe029506; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7IK6WZe029317 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 55629 invoked by uid 1005); 18 Aug 2003 20:06:22 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.071845 secs); 18 Aug 2003 20:06:22 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.071845 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 20:06:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:06:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818114842.03001a68@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030818155300.K79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, A good example of 1580s French style can be found in the painting "Dancers at the Louvre". The round, dome shape skirt really came into fashion in the 1580s. Larger sleeves also came into fashion, and more often matched the bodice than not. When they didn't, they usually matched a stomacher or forepart. Sleeves were often seen with hanging sleeves that matched the gown. Doublet bodices became more popular that the classic arched-square-neck bodice of the 70s, and picadils/tabs replaced large shoulder rolls as the fashionable treatment. Ruffs became wider, and narrower in depth, and the thin lace edging expanded to the width of half the ruff or more. The wired veil really began to come into its own in the 80s as well. A large roll or series of rolls stitched together were used to create this dome-like shape. Good pictures for this style are "Dancers at the Louvre" (c. 1580), the portrait of Lettice Knollys, http://costume.dm.net/gallery/images/lettice.jpg (1585) The Sieve portrait of queen Elizabeth (80s) (http://www.tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/elizasieve.jpg) The Ermine Portrait (80s) (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg) Happy sewing! Drea On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi all, > > While I am chatting about the Isabelle de Valois dress, my current project > requires me to make something more appropriate for next year's court, which > is 1588 or thereabouts. As I have made and dealt with earlier years, > especially 1560, I am not sure about the look of that time. > > I know the Armada dress is appropriate, as is the portrait of Elizabeth > Brydges (who was 14), but I am not understanding the proper look and shape > of the late 1580s from just those two gowns. How full were the bum rolls? > Were they wearing the French farthingales yet, or is that 1590s? > > Does someone here have a better understanding of what would be appropriate? > Or any other suggestions of portraits to look at? Any info on that specific > time period would be appreciated. And I already have Hunniset's book for > the underpinnings, I am trying to come up with the style. > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 17:14:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILEDV5004162 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILDidD013867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILDecd006067; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILDacd006012 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip163.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.163]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1059E6F29B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:11:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) Message-ID: <3F40DE92.1657.94DCFEB5@localhost> Priority: normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113212.02f60f30@127.0.0.1> In-reply-to: <20030818152215.Y79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So I'm wondering, how did they avoid this in period? All of the > period silk-dyeing recipes I've found involve boiling or hot water. > Plus, regulations (in late 16th c. England, at least) required silk > dyers to boil and scour their silk before dyeing to get rid of gum. > Yet, they produced wonderfully shiny satins and taffetas. I suspect they got the stiffness to stay in by having higher thread count. Most of our fabrics have mightily few threads per inch (unless you start talking about bed sheets, when they start getting quite a bit higher.) The lower the thread count, the looser the weave, which makes the fabric more drapey and less stiff. The sericin just acts like the weighting that was put into silks to give more body until people realized that arsenic in fabric was a bad thing. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 17:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILJiV5004182 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILJCdD014522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILJAcd011341; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILJ8cd011297 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26488 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:19:08 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27370 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c365ce$4ed13e30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113723.02ff38c0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:18:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My big problem is that I don't know how to embroider (other than cross stitch). That sort of puts a damper on this project. However... and I am not making this up... last night, it came to me in a dream and I woke up with a possible solution! See where the embroidery follows the front and hem of the overskirt? I was thinking of couching several strings of pearls together to fill that area, about 2.5-3" strip from what I can tell. Maybe not all pearls, perhaps I would include some round gemstones as well... like garnets. Then for the all over design, I could pearl the dress in a similar pattern. If I made the dress from a really cool damask, I might be able to outline the designs. And again, maybe gemstones with the pearls. I think it would look lovely... but be rather heavy. What do you think? The image for those that don't have one handy: http://www.mostlymedieval.com/isabel.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress > At 08:48 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Kimiko... you know, as you are spending two years making one, it isn't that > >much effort to make another at the same time. *whistles innocently* > > > >Teena > > LOL!!! Ah, ... right. I think if, major if, I do this dress, it will be one > and only. No slight to anyone else, but I know all too well my own level of > .. patience factor when it comes to working on something. > > I just have to decide if I really, really want to do this dress. It looks > like you are on your way there already. I can't wait to see how yours turns > out. > > Kimiko > > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 17:57:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILvhV5004271 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILufdD019002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILuemp016367; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ILucmp016301 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-026scfairp0453.dialsprint.net ([63.176.17.199] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19orzR-0000HO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:56:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3F4158FD.9060908@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:53:49 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: professional dye vats Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <3F40CA38.8060905@faucet.net> <001a01c3658b$082afb80$940f77d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa Sinervo wrote: > Apart from the general description of the professional dye vat being a big > soup kettle, you would care to pass on some more specifics as to exactly > what a "professional" dye vat is? A professional dye vat is actually (in my experience) an industrial soup kettle. The ones I've worked with have been 60-gallon models, but they come in various larger and smaller sizes. Some are electric and some are gas, but they're all basically an inner and outer metal shell with the heat running between, a dial to regulate the temperature, and a lid. I believe that if you have a gas one, codes require you to have special venting for the pilot light. General wisdom is that gas vats heat faster, but I've never worked with electric myself, so that's just hearsay. The technical name for these seems to be "steam jacketed kettle," and they're available from various industrial cookware companies, including Groen and Cleveland. Cheers, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 18:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMBcV5004299 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:11:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMAsdD020714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMAnmp000793; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMAcmp000552 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-026scfairp0453.dialsprint.net ([63.176.17.199] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19osD0-0006NL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:07:49 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to all for the dye advice! Now, some questions: Dawn Jacobson wrote: > Acid dyes (Jacquard is one brand) are the preferred dyes for > protein-based fibers (wool, silk, camel hair, dog hair, etc.). This is what I used. > Wet the fiber to be dyed, then wash when it has completely cooled. Well, I wish they had included these instructions with the dye! Thanks--I'll do it that way next time. Is there any use for vinegar after it's been dyed, or is Synthrapol a better bet? > If you find you are still having problems with dye transfer after dyeing > a piece of fabric, the problem is not usually color-fastness, but > crocking. Yes, that's what it is--sorry for using the wrong term. > The best way to maintain the sericin in a piece of silk is to > use Procion or other fiber-reactive dye, and set the dye using steam > with vinegar in it I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! Thanks again, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 18:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMBrV5004302 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:11:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMBPdD020859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMBMmp001360; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMBFmp001239 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19osDZ-0002SQ-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:11:14 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:10:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. scots/celtic/fantasy type costume References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818103349.03b366b0@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818103349.03b366b0@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can I jump in here, as a Scottish dancer of many years standing, and resident Scot? The stuff Joe and Brenda have described is close to the mark, if it's a relatively formal Highland-dress wedding, or if you want to look like a highland or Scottish Country dancer. When you describe it as "scots/celtic/fantasy", it doesn't sound to me as if that's what you're after. However, you can work from those basics. If you want to look historical-ish, and/or informal, work from a tartan skirt (mini with Doc Martens, if that's your style, or any style/length down to the floor) with a white blouse, puffy sleeves, low round or square neck, and traditionally a velvet fitted bodice with tabs at the waist, either in black or a colour to go with your tartan. If you don't like the bodice, you could wear a soft-coloured plain woolen skirt with the blouse and a tartan scarf/sash/shawl draped however you like it best. Or replace the blouse with anything you prefer, or wear a plain coloured dress in a style you like with your bit of tartan over. The plain dress would look more early/Celtic than a white blouse. Formal is a white dress with the tartan sash. The standard modern costume for performing Scottish dance is a very plain sleeveless dress, low round neckline, with a waist seam and circular or nearly-circular skirt. If you like 18th century, you can look just like Flora Macdonald in a fancy 18th century dress plus tartan sash, or go Victorian by wearing the sash draped round the front of the waist and tied in a big bow like a bustle at the back. The problem with the white dress is, if you do it fancy, you might look too much like the bride. I would go with some variety of the skirt and blouse or dress and tartan combination, and you can adapt it to your favourite period or style. To inspire you: when our friends got married (10 years ago) they told the guests the theme was "Gothic". The bride wore long droopy black crushed velvet and lace gloves. The groom wore tight black hose and a black suede doublet slashed and puffed with red silk. And the best man wore a suit of 15th century plate armour. Get creative! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 18:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMWOV5004332 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMVgdD023269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMVemp019936; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt30.cluster1.charter.net (remt30.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7IMVSmp019656 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.116.157.73] (HELO charter.net) by remt30.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 124368971 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:31:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3F415375.3E3FF3AD@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:30:13 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. scots/celtic/fantasy type costume References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818103349.03b366b0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good advice, Jean! Please let me offer a word in my own defense. I am by no means an authority on women's wear, regardless of the ethnicity. :o) I've got the guys' stuff down pat, but I can only point in the correct directions for the rest. Cheers, Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 20:17:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J0H5V5004571 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J06PdD003873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J06MIr006621; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J06HIr006524 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200308190006.h7J06HIr006524@net.indra.com> Received: from mtiwebc21 (mtiwebc21.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.60]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003081900061211100d9sr6e>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:06:12 +0000 Received: from [24.92.178.125] by mtiwebc21; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:06:12 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners and lined applique Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:06:12 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 29 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry I didn't reply sooner.. long weekend at work! Lined applique is where you take the *fusible* side of the interfacing and place it against the *right* side of the fabric applique. Sew around all edges using a 1/4" seam. Cut a slit in the interfacing adequate enough in size to turn the applique through. Try to make the slit about in the middle of the applique. Turn the applique, using a pencil or your favorite turning tool to turn and poke into place all the little bits and corners. DO NOT PRESS THE EDGES YET! Place tha turned applique in place on *whatever* it's being placed on. Pin if necessary to keep it lined upi where it's supposed to be. Press carefully from the right side. The fusible interfacing will glue your huge applique into place. Now you can slip stitch or edge stitch without your applique going all over the place. You can also use the lined applique technique with a thin fabric too , if you don't want to use interfacing, but it will only turn all your edges under which can be half the battle in some cases! I hope I made it clearer for you to visualize how it's done. Crissy > This sounds like a really cool technique, but I am having a little trouble > visualizing it. I know, I am a dork! Can you elaborate? Thanks! > > Teena > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banners > > > > I've actually done three *huge* SCA banners. I found that a large table > to draft the applique pieces on is the biggest help. > > Having the full size pieces drafted on paper first to really helped me > vizualize the overall finished size of the banners. > > > > I cheated with my applique and used a lined applique techinque to turn > all the little corners and edges and laurel wreath > > details. Lined applique is where you line the fabric of the applique on > the right side of the fabric with a fusible interfacing. > > Make a small cut in the interfacing ( or a large one... depending on the > size of the applique) and turn the applique so the > > fusible side of the interfacing is on the back and the right side of the > fabric is facing out. Lay your applique in place, press > > lightly and it stays in place until you edge stitch or slip stitch in > place. I did this with Velvet applique on a satin background. I > > think it helped me keep my sanity! > > If you have any other questions in mind, just e-mail me. I'll be glad > to help. > > > > Crissy > > SewingGoddess@att.net > > > > > > Greetings all! > > > > > > Quick question: does anyone on this list have any experience with > banner > > > making? What I am wanting to do is a larger scale banner as a gift for > some > > > friends in the SCA. So far the idea is to have the ground in a linen > with > > > the device done in handmade felt appliqu with wool embroidered details. > > > > > > What I am looking for is any tips and tricks, success/horror stories > and > > > the > > > like. I am also wondering if a quilter's frame would be a good > investment > > > for a project like this, or if I just need a large table. > > > > > > Inquiring mind wants to know! :-) > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 21:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J1WKV5004706 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J1VgdD011063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J1Vecf029222; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J1VYcf029178 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p478-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.224] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ovLQ-00049b-00; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:31:32 +1200 Message-ID: <00a001c365f1$9f7bf2d0$e0c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:31:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I tryed to go to the page at glittersweet to se the picture again, but i > couldnt get trough. Maybe the black out you had over there has something to > do with that. I don't think so, it was yesterday that it was down not from the time of the power outage. They didn't contact me to say why the servers were down so I was a little annoyed by that. The servers are working again, so I'll hunt for my files again. http://glittersweet.com/paynefull.jpg http://glittersweet.com/paynehalf.jpg http://glittersweet.com/paynebodice.jpg http://glittersweet.com/payneembroidery.jpg embroidery of the skirt up close http://glittersweet.com/paynefold.jpg showing how the stripes are embroidered seperately then put on later, there are very definate folds to get the mitred corners. hmmmm... I'm pretty sure the "I" shapes aren't appliqued, and they are the largest shapes in the pattern. Is this still on display in the Met? > But as i recall the picture, i would say it was made of silk satin, a heavy > silk satin. The way it shades makes me think that. Yep:) I've seen a better resolution image than the one linked, not the best of course, but the way it puckers a little with the embroidery makes the fabric reflect back the light in a watery way, sort of icey rather than soft like with velvet. > One thing you could do to easy up the embroidery was if you used gold > coloured silks in stead of real gold thread. It is much easyer to work with, > and whow, if you really have the curridge to make all that embroidery, i > surely must take my bows for you! lol! Oh me too;) I'm being daunted by doing the counted work on the Anna Meyer dress;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 22:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J28hV5004808 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:08:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J27wdD013945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J27tc5019456; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:07:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J27mc5019349 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7J27eNC028520 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:37:40 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14])(8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7J27ciE028484 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:37:39 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:37:38 +0930 Message-ID: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EC1@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:37:35 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [h-cost] RE: scots/celtic/fantasy type costume - THANKS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Joe, Brenda & Jean (and others) thankyou thankyou thankyou! Joe's descriptions were great and the others helped to fill out the picture. So now I know what my choices are, I guess I have to make up my mind... Thanks again, Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 22:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2TWV5004860 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:29:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2T3dD015874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2T2c5001489; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2T0c5001469 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-29-205.o1.jps.net ([216.119.29.205] helo=pavilion) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19owF1-0007HL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:29:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c365f9$d9fe7560$cd1d77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1><001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela><5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.0.20030818113723.02ff38c0@127.0.0.1> <001401c365ce$4ed13e30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:30:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beteena Paradise wrote: > My big problem is that I don't know how to embroider (other than cross > stitch). That sort of puts a damper on this project. However... and I am not > making this up... last night, it came to me in a dream and I woke up with a > possible solution! Excellent, did you Mendelev credits one of his dreams for coming up with his theory for the Periodic Table of elements? Lisa (who often feels like Dorthy, running into people who appear in her dreams, and has life alterning events happen when she loses or buys new shoes!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 22:35:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2ZGV5004873 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2YndD016322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2Ykc5004974; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2Wxc5003864 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-29-205.o1.jps.net ([216.119.29.205] helo=pavilion) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19owIs-0005CW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c365fa$68e567c0$cd1d77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:34:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Melanie Schuessler" > > I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except > that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! > Take it to the dry cleaners! They often do such jobs. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 22:57:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2vYV5004907 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:57:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2v4dD018426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2v2FL018279; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt25.cluster1.charter.net (remt25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J2uwFL018149 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.116.157.73] (HELO charter.net) by remt25.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 126530124 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3F4191AE.B86E177@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:55:42 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: scots/celtic/fantasy type costume - THANKS References: <195B62C492A1D51199350002A589F66E09581EC1@sagemsg0013.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to be of service, my dear. :o) Joe --- Joe Robertson, Psy.D. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 23:04:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J34iV5004927 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J34HdD018962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J34GFL022232; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J34DFL022201 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-4-116.s1132.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.4.116] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19own4-0002LI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3F41BDF9.9733400D@erols.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:41 -0700 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scots/celtic/fantasy type costume References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818103349.03b366b0@mail.earthlink.net> <3F415375.3E3FF3AD@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For information of historical Scots/Celtic costume, I would recommend "Beyond the Pale: A Survey of Gaelic Garb 1500 -1650", by Lord Cormac MacClium O'Domniall. Unfortunately, it was written in 1987, and copies are somewhat rare. Though, I have heard that copies are still being sold in the SCA and at Pennsic. It contains a history and suggestion on how to construct the garments. If someone is still selling copies, I would be interested in knowing who and where. I do know that the author is trying to find the time to revise and update the book. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 23:22:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3MsV5004961 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3LXdD020210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3LVFL001643; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3LSFL001620 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 207-237-35-110.s110.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([207.237.35.110] helo=rcn.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19ox3n-0005LI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3F4197BD.8030309@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:21:33 -0400 From: Catelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200308181148.h7IBlwUO018860@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Template method X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found out about the template method after making dolls for 15 years, & was I ever glad. For dolls, the pattern is traced on doubled fabric, which is all pinned together. The sewing line is sewed upon, leaving an opening for turning. Cut out, clip as necessary, turn &c Absolutely much easier for baby dolls with wrists about 6mm in circumference (not that anything cloth is terribly easy at that scale; I tear through the tiny fists half the time, and I am quite experienced at doll making). I have heard rumors that some haute couture is sewn with only the seam lines marked, so they're never line-up-the-edges-&-sew. Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 18 23:25:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3PBV5004968 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3OXdD020380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3OWFL003113; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J3OTFL003086 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ap-003scfairp0315.dialsprint.net ([63.184.209.61] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ox6i-0007VL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3F41A5D2.5090107@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:21:38 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> <001c01c365fa$68e567c0$cd1d77d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa Sinervo wrote: > "Melanie Schuessler" > > >>I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except >>that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! >> > > Take it to the dry cleaners! They often do such jobs. Really? I never would have thought of that. Though the dry cleaners where I live would probably think I was crazy. Thanks, Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 00:05:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J456V5005052 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J44SdD023416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J44Qcw025725; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J44Ncx025692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7J48PdZ024659 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:08:26 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] belt hardware question Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3F3443A2.8000302@fenris.net> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if you have gotten adequate answers to this one yet, but having just returned from Pennsic, may I recommend you check the Raymond's Quiet Press site? I camped with merchants just across from Ray, and the belt fittings he has are wonderfully like these (along with many others) and quite inexpensive. I think I spent about $100 and picked up 7 pieces of lovely recreations. I heard someone say that one of his supplier's is also working for the British Museum Shop. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Elizabeth Young > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:43 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] belt hardware question > > > Anyone know where I can get good quality repro belt hardware (mid-late > 16th century) as seen in this portrait of the tailor? > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/m/moroni/taylor.jpg > > thanks > liz young > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 00:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4TAV5005107 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:29:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4RsdD025122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4Rpcw008623; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4Rmcw008587 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-9-250.smf.jps.net ([216.119.9.250] helo=pavilion) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19oy5y-0002CX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:27:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c3660a$713dfda0$fa0977d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com><3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> <001c01c365fa$68e567c0$cd1d77d8@pavilion> <3F41A5D2.5090107@faucet.net> Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:29:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My first ever paying taxes job was the counter girl at the local drycleaners, mostly because the town was too small to have a Macdonalds, although there was a Dairy Queen. I felt lucky to have a job even if I did have to brush dead skin out of people's pockets with a shoe shine brush. Every job since has been a step up from that.... I digress.........but......I did get to see what sort of equipment a professional dry cleaners has and one thing they have for sure, is an endless supply of steam! Generally a dry cleaning outfit will have a huge boiler going. It's often worth having a chat to such folks even if they do think you're crazy. When sewing something really important, I used to take, say the outer shell of a jacket, in to be pressed before adding lining because the pressure the equipment they have is hard to match at home, although I do have a little elna press now, which comes pretty close. Anyway, just a suggestion. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) > Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > "Melanie Schuessler" > > > > >>I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except > >>that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! > >> > > > > Take it to the dry cleaners! They often do such jobs. > > Really? I never would have thought of that. Though the dry cleaners > where I live would probably think I was crazy. > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 00:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4bpV5005114 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4bOdD025994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4bNcw013455; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J4bKcw013420 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip220.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.220]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0A36AD25 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:35:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) Message-ID: <3F414691.28215.96733B5A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3F41A5D2.5090107@faucet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >>I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except > >> that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! > > Take it to the dry cleaners! They often do such jobs. > > Really? I never would have thought of that. Though the dry cleaners > where I live would probably think I was crazy. > Melanie Schuessler > http://www.faucet.net/costume Not if they know their stuff. If they say that it's not necessary or that they don't do that sort of thing, take it to someone who will (for all your dry cleaning.) I usually interview my dry cleaners before I take my clothes to them, let alone my fabric. If they don't know that dry cleaning can shrink fabric (for example) they probably don't really know that much about fabric and might ruin your stuff. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53vV5005140 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:03:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53YdD027731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53X8g026476; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53V8g026440 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00EN1OPUEU@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:24:34 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-reply-to: <3F41A5D2.5090107@faucet.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818202221.03001da0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> <001c01c365fa$68e567c0$cd1d77d8@pavilion> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:21 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Lisa Sinervo wrote: >> "Melanie Schuessler" > >>>I do know about steam-setting, and I would have considered it except >>>that I couldn't figure out how to steam-set eight yards of fabric! >>Take it to the dry cleaners! They often do such jobs. > >Really? I never would have thought of that. Though the dry cleaners >where I live would probably think I was crazy. I would suggest calling around first. Many of the dry cleaners in my city won't do special requests, because they prefer batch jobs of things, and send them all to one place anyway. But a few are really good dry cleaners who do the work on premises, and they are the only ones I would dare send the good costumes to anyway. But I will admit, I hadn't thought of asking them to do the steam setting on large yardages. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:04:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J54XV5005145 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:04:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J544dD027838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J5448g026881; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53V8k026440 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00EN1OPUEU@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:39:21 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-reply-to: <3F40DE92.1657.94DCFEB5@localhost> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818203820.00b17578@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20030818152215.Y79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113212.02f60f30@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:11 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I suspect they got the stiffness to stay in by having higher thread >count. Most of our fabrics have mightily few threads per inch (unless >you start talking about bed sheets, when they start getting quite a >bit higher.) The lower the thread count, the looser the weave, which >makes the fabric more drapey and less stiff. But what about today's Duchess satin? It seemed pretty heavy to me, and rather stiff. Was that from the sizing and serecin? Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:04:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J54aV5005148 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J54AdD027854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J5498g026930; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53V8m026440 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00EN1OPUEU@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:46:16 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <001401c365ce$4ed13e30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818204137.0300e298@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030818113723.02ff38c0@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:18 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I think it >would look lovely... but be rather heavy. What do you think? Back the fabric with something, an interfacing, or a heavier material, before you start the beading. But the best suggestion I can make is to make a sample, and see if it really gets heavy on you, and to test out the beading pattern. But the idea in general sounds rather lovely to me. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:05:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J55JV5005151 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:05:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J54vdD027937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J54v8g027398; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53V8o026440 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00EN1OPUEU@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:10:11 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <00a001c365f1$9f7bf2d0$e0c1adcb@michaela> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818210432.00b0adc0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:31 PM 8/19/2003 +1200, you wrote: >http://glittersweet.com/paynefold.jpg showing how the stripes are >embroidered seperately then put on later, there are very definate folds to >get the mitred corners. Wow, it looks as if the whole strip is embroidered separately, then sewn into place, as the mitered strips are both the embroidered part, and the "ribbons" for lack of a better descriptor. Thanks for posting these photos. I wish I had the book they come from, but I have yet to find it. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J58rV5005161 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J58XdD028153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J58W8g029404; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J58U8g029396 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00LQ4OY5MF@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:54:53 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: On dyeing (was: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress) In-reply-to: <000601c3660a$713dfda0$fa0977d8@pavilion> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818215229.00afc8c0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818093500.00bc6da0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <3F415C45.1020803@faucet.net> <001c01c365fa$68e567c0$cd1d77d8@pavilion> <3F41A5D2.5090107@faucet.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:29 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >My first ever paying taxes job was the counter girl at the local >drycleaners, mostly because the town was too small to have a Macdonalds, >although there was a Dairy Queen. I grew up in a small town with two wonderful dry cleaners, who could do just about anything I or my parents needed. We didn't get the fast food place until I got into high school, which was a marvel in that town back then. But when I moved to the big city, then I learned how wonderful those small town dry cleaners really are. Too many "mass cleaners" here, and I hates thems I do! Had to share... Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 01:09:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J59HV5005164 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53vdD027805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53n8g026683; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J53V8i026440 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJU00EN1OPUEU@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:37:55 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-reply-to: <20030818155300.K79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818203322.02fac320@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818114842.03001a68@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:06 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Happy sewing! > >Drea Wow Drea, thanks so much for pointing me in the right direction. I am still looking for "Dancers at the Louvre", as there is only a small detail pic online (via google), but I think I have it somewhere in my collection of books. Gotta be in there somewhere. Now to peruse the details and figure out what would work for me. I am hoping for a burgundy/ dark madder color in a cotton velvet. I know that color was available, at least in some of the tapestries and paintings I have seen (I checked). I think the velvet I have found will work, I just need samples from the site before making up my mind. Thanks again! Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 02:09:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J69PV5008548 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J691dD002897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7J68xO5005053; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.181]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7J68tO5005003 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-122-70-160.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@67.122.70.160 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 06:08:55 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c36618$da58b240$a0467a43@angelap3a8d978> From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:12:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] Cool site for dating old photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My dear mum sent me this. It's a treasure trove of old photos and information on how to date them by year. It's a great free resource. I think it's mostly for geneology, but what the heck! http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm angela +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 07:28:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JBS0V5010699 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:28:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JBRcdD021617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JBRZA3002305; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JBRUA4002263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7JBWjoP010536 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:32:46 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F4209C8.2070809@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:28:08 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Subject: [h-cost] Extremely historical clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Theories about when humans started wearing clothing: about 70,000 years ago, according to analysis of the genetics of human body lice. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/08/18/offbeat.ancient.lice.reut/index.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval horseman with hound and hawk T-shirt: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 08:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JCteV5010863 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:55:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JCt6dD027187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JCt5cN016872; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JCt2cN016834 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.143] (pm5-143.eos.net [205.133.149.143]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JCsxo8016994 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:48:27 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308181147.h7IBlwUN018860@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver running MimeDefang and SPAMAssassin Subject: [h-cost] new vintage magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would someone please send me the email address and name of the woman publishing the new vintange fashion magazine? Also the name of the magazine? I lost it and I want to ask her something. Thanks! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 09:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JD9JV5010909 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:09:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JD8ndD028212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JD8lcN024753; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7JD8hcN024679 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5540 invoked by uid 1005); 19 Aug 2003 13:08:39 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.154568 secs); 19 Aug 2003 13:08:39 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.154568 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 13:08:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818203322.02fac320@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030819090546.O11584-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Wow Drea, thanks so much for pointing me in the right direction. I am still > looking for "Dancers at the Louvre", as there is only a small detail pic > online (via google), but I think I have it somewhere in my collection of > books. Gotta be in there somewhere. I looked for it too, but couldn't find it...I have a copy in my pic collection at home, but didn't see anything online from a quick search. I only noticed after sending my email that you had specified "late" 1580s. As 1590 approached, the flat-topped birthday cake look became more and more prevalent, and gowns began to resemble the stereotypical portraits you see of the 1590s of Queen Elizabeth and other women. > > Now to peruse the details and figure out what would work for me. I am > hoping for a burgundy/ dark madder color in a cotton velvet. I know that > color was available, at least in some of the tapestries and paintings I > have seen (I checked). I think the velvet I have found will work, I just > need samples from the site before making up my mind. http://www.phoenixtextiles.com is currently having a very evil sale of several shades of cotton velvet and velveteen... Sounds like it will be lovely! Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 09:33:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JDXGV5010959 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:33:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JDVVdD000559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JDVUcN009671; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JDVQcN009637 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08689 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:31:26 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA08685 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c36656$208b0c30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c36618$da58b240$a0467a43@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cool site for dating old photos Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:30:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a great site. I don't do Victorian or Edwardian (mainly because I have no excuse to!), but it was interesting to see how the styles evolved and what was "in" for a particular year. Thanks for sharing that! Teena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] Cool site for dating old photos > My dear mum sent me this. It's a treasure trove of old photos and > information on how to date them by year. It's a great free resource. I > think it's mostly for geneology, but what the heck! > > http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 10:01:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JE1lV5011029 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JE0xdD003224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JE0v3r029252; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orval.sprint.ca (orval.sprint.ca [209.5.194.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JE0s3r029228 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shooie ([149.99.69.89]) by orval.sprint.ca (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20030819140053.VXHK11123.orval.sprint.ca@shooie> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c3665a$5b93ab80$cb6afea9@shooie> From: "Sheridan & Shane" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new vintage magazine Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:01:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > > > Would someone please send me the email address and name of the woman > publishing the new vintange fashion magazine? Also the name of the magazine? > I lost it and I want to ask her something. > > Thanks! > > Gail Finke Sure, here it is: Julia fashionreporting@aol.com Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 14:31:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIVqV5011741 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:31:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JINedD002546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JINUHJ010550; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JINRHJ010430 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA0919FDD8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:23:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F426C00.10207@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:27:12 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Problem with dress 1340 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am in a hurry to finish a dress from about 1340. Fitted dress with buttons in front and on the sleeves. But I have a problem. The body is too small and doesn't close at the front. I was wondering if it is ok when I make a seem at the waist and make a new bodice or that I have to replace the front panels. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 15:07:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JJ7BV5011894 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIradD006938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIrYHJ027750; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIrUHJ027677 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12179 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:21:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:21:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Problem with dress 1340 In-Reply-To: <3F426C00.10207@kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I am in a hurry to finish a dress from about 1340. Fitted dress with > buttons in front and on the sleeves. > But I have a problem. The body is too small and doesn't close at the front. > I was wondering if it is ok when I make a seem at the waist and make a > new bodice or that I have to replace the front panels. If it were me, I'd replace the front panels. There's no sign of waist seams in this period, and they're pretty obvious when you use them. Some thoughts, though, before you do that. 1. How tight is too tight, and how did it get that way? If it seemed right during fittings but isn't right when you put it on now, it may be a function of warmth. My fitted dresses show a gap of 2-3 inches when I first put them on, but after they've been on about 5-10 minutes I can close them. Of course, I'm assuming you've got a natural fabric. It may be that you can let out the tiniest bit on the various body seams and accomplish what you need. 2. Have you put buttons down the front already? Interestingly, it's exceedingly rare to find a fitted dress with buttons both the front and the sleeves. Usually it's the underdress that has buttoned sleeves, and these generally don't have buttons on the front (where they'll be covered by the overdress). An overdress that has buttons down the front may in rare cases have buttons on the sleeves too, but generally the visual image of buttons in both places comes from the combination of a buttoned-sleeve underdress showing from beneath a front-buttoned and short-sleeved overdress. If you haven't yet put the buttons and buttonholes at the front, consider doing a lacing, which might save you a little fabric if you don't need as much overlap. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 15:08:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JJ8kV5011900 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIlldD006413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIljHJ022158; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JIldHJ022044 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00370 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:47:38 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23530 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c36682$5bd1e5d0$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F426C00.10207@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Problem with dress 1340 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:47:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could add a panel under the arms at the side seams. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Problem with dress 1340 > Hi, > > I am in a hurry to finish a dress from about 1340. Fitted dress with > buttons in front and on the sleeves. > But I have a problem. The body is too small and doesn't close at the front. > I was wondering if it is ok when I make a seem at the waist and make a > new bodice or that I have to replace the front panels. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 18:27:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMRfV5012357 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:27:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMR5dD029931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMR0sb006325; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMQvsb006265 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7JMQsrw013999 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:26:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030819172740.01f991b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit In-Reply-To: <20030816012417.20714.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:24 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an >entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at >some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. >There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would >need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as >well:)LOL! >Albra Oooooo! If you do pick me! I would *love* to do something like that and I even own a gold lorgnette now so I can have fun playing a grande dame. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 18:42:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMggV5012384 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:42:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMg7dD001578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMg4sb021170; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JMftsb020979 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7JMfs2b015681 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030819173434.03271210@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:39:34 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-Reply-To: <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Actually I think (despite the dark rectangular shape behind her head) that it is jewels (possibly a necklace) wrapped around her braids/head.] Here are a couple of examples so you can get an idea of what I mean: http://www.abcgallery.com/C/clouet/frclouet1.html In this one you can see how the ends of the necklace cross over: http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/c/p-clouet5.htm Although I have no proof at all, I think it was open at the back... Cheers, Danielle At 01:12 PM 8/18/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I wonder what her headress is. Is it someting like a french hood? >Open at the back ore closed like an oval pillbox kind of hood? >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 19:31:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JNV6V5012483 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JNSvdD006296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JNStcv003598; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JNSncv003393 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200308192328.h7JNSncv003393@net.indra.com> Received: from mtiwebc18 (mtiwebc18.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003081923284411100da8j7e>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:28:44 +0000 Received: from [24.92.178.125] by mtiwebc18; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:28:43 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:28:43 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 29 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Drycleaners was:On dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My Uncle used to own several drycleaning businesses and gave me the best tip I've ever heard on making sure my fancy gowns come out clean. Ask the drycleaners what day(s) they change the solution. Really big reputable drycleaners usually change the soultion once a week, sometimes twice a week. Ask to have your dress/outfit clenaed on that day, even if it means waiting a week or so. He would always save any wedding dresses or special requests for the first runs through the "new" solution. If they don't know when the soulution gets changed...go someplace else! It probably hasn't been changed in a really long time. Crissy > At 09:29 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >My first ever paying taxes job was the counter girl at the local > >drycleaners, mostly because the town was too small to have a Macdonalds, > >although there was a Dairy Queen. > > > I grew up in a small town with two wonderful dry cleaners, who could do > just about anything I or my parents needed. We didn't get the fast food > place until I got into high school, which was a marvel in that town back then. > > But when I moved to the big city, then I learned how wonderful those small > town dry cleaners really are. Too many "mass cleaners" here, and I hates > thems I do! > > Had to share... > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 20:39:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K0d1V5012648 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K0TSdD012169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K0TONu022205; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9407.mail.yahoo.com (web9407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7K0TKNu022144 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030820002920.12935.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:29:20 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030819172740.01f991b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO mmmm---I'm beginning to think that maybe I should seriously try to make that fantasy come true:) Several of my costumning friends off list also got enthusiastic about doing this idea. I'll have to give it some more thought---how to make it economically feasible for' Ladies with Less than an Heiress' Imcome'?? Albra Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: At 06:24 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an >entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at >some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. >There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would >need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as >well:)LOL! >Albra Oooooo! If you do pick me! I would *love* to do something like that and I even own a gold lorgnette now so I can have fun playing a grande dame. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 21:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K17rV5012717 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:07:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K15ddD015297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K15crB018350; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K15YrB018287 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14311 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:33:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:33:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-Reply-To: <20030818155300.K79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Drea Leed wrote: > A good example of 1580s French style can be found in the painting > "Dancers at the Louvre". Someone said she was having trouble finding this. I haven't heard this title before, but it sounds as though you're talking about the painting often called the "Wedding of the Duc de Joyeuse" or the "Bal of the Duc de Joyeuse," which occurred in 1581 at the court of Henri III. This is the one that shows women in big rolls, both standing and sitting, front and back. It's reproduced in a lot of books; I have a nice two-page spread here in "Princely Feasts and Festivals." A small b/w is in Davenport, fig. 1288 (in the second volume for those of us with two-volume sets). The next image in Davenport, #1289, is of the same look and might be a companion piece, but it shows a different ball, that of the Duc of Alencon. I don't think the dancers were at the Louvre, but the paintings are there now. I saw them there a few years ago, and was surprised at how very small the paintings are. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 21:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K1OgV5012769 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:24:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K1NtdD016967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:23:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K1NsrB002641; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.adelphia.net (mta7.adelphia.net [64.8.50.193]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K1NqrB002561 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphia.net ([24.55.189.230]) by mta7.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030820012347.MORP5447.mta7.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:23:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:23:43 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: rob and laurie gage To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308191801.h7JI1lHK018218@net.indra.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] Links on Drea's sight... a forward X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a message sent to me by a friend to forward on his behalf. I agreed to send it along. Laurie From: Daniel P. Bronson Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:43:30 AM America/New_York To: rob and laurie gage Subject: Hmmm... In my flurry of post-pennsic reading, I discovered Drea's Elizabethan smock generator. Trouble is, it's broken. Most of the images don't load. Also, none of the email links on her site are live. I don't suppose you have her email address anywhere? I'd like to call this problem to her attention. --Dan Crime and Religion should never be 'organized.' When they are, people die in large numbers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 22:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K2DqV5012870 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K2DBdD020757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K2D6lb005852; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K2D4lb005823 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail21.ureach.com (mail21.ureach.com [172.16.2.81]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01080 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:13:03 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail21.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA26295 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c366c0$92f01f30$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030820002920.12935.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would definitely travel for it!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHRYN WOLTERS" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit > mmmm---I'm beginning to think that maybe I should seriously try to make that fantasy come true:) Several of my costumning friends off list also got enthusiastic about doing this idea. I'll have to give it some more thought---how to make it economically feasible for' Ladies with Less than an Heiress' Imcome'?? > Albra > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > At 06:24 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an > >entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at > >some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. > >There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would > >need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as > >well:)LOL! > >Albra > > Oooooo! If you do pick me! I would *love* to do something like that and I > even own a gold lorgnette now so I can have fun playing a grande dame. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 19 23:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K3ZmV5013034 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K3YvdD026431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K3YtN1029240; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K3YpN1029198 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p243-nas12.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.205.243] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19pJkG-00025T-00; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:34:48 +1200 Message-ID: <000701c366cc$03a4cf40$f3cdadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:34:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The blackworkd embroidered shift is one Drea talks about on her web site and > has photos up. The other one is a 17th c. one, sorry the case was very dark, > but some of the emb roidered motifs came out nicely. The fan is 16th c. > apparently, and so is the fabric & applique. Thank you:) Now I do have a question about the blackworked shift. Drea says: "This smock is of fine white linen, embroidered with black silk (probably from Spain, according to the V&A) in stem, back and darning stitches with buttonhole fillings. The body and sleeves were made of a very fine silk, while the skirt (now missing--what's seen in the picture is a modern replacement) was made of a coarser linen. The lace is also a modern reproduction, copied from a period piece." Is the line "made of a very fine silk" a typo? As the first sentance is about how it is a fine linen. I looked at the close ups and there does appear to be a counted aspect to it (fill in stitches in a step pattern etc) is this what it appears to be? Counted rather than free form? I'm hoping it's silk for personal reasons but I'm not holding out much hope;) I'm trying to find counted blackwork on silk you see... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 00:41:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K4fdV5013173 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:41:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K4didD001377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K4dgrS010507; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K4dcrS010466 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-007neomahp024.dialsprint.net ([63.178.246.32] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19pKkz-0003rp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819233006.01d00bb0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:39:18 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200308191801.h7JI1lHK018218@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dry cleaners X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A good dry cleaner is a treasure. The one we used regularly unfortunately closed a few years ago - I think the owner needed/wanted to retire and there was no one to take over the business. They would do test bits for free (to see if paint or marker or whatever would take the cleaning process), and also not charge to remove and replace buttons. They even removed and replaced some strings of plastic beads on one costume. They were totally fascinated by our stuff. They only messed up once, when they had a new employee who didn't know about our stuff - they ran it thru a regular process instead of by themselves at a lower temp - the plastic jewels melted and all the glitter on the velvet came off. They couldn't fix it, but they did comp us the entire batch (would have been well over $100). They also did the costumes for the Community Playhouse. That's one hint - try to find the cleaners used by any theatrical groups in your city - they'll be used to seeing unusual stuff. Also, one of our local cleaners has started using a new process - using carbon dioxide in some fashion - it's a very low temp process and has worked very well on the modern delicate rayon stuff I've taken in. I asked them about beads and plastic jewels, and they said that since there were no petro-solvents used and the temp was well below that of bath water, they should be fine. I haven't sent them a test bit yet - most of the things we've done recently have been washable. Perhaps there is a cleaner in your area using this process as well. HTH, Sandy >I grew up in a small town with two wonderful dry cleaners, who could do >just about anything I or my parents needed. We didn't get the fast food >place until I got into high school, which was a marvel in that town back then. > >But when I moved to the big city, then I learned how wonderful those small >town dry cleaners really are. Too many "mass cleaners" here, and I hates >thems I do! > >Had to share... >Kimiko "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 02:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DhV5018393 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DBdD007212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6D7IJ003342; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6D5IN003311 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJW003UAMLR54@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:45:32 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress In-reply-to: <5.0.0.25.2.20030819173434.03271210@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819224410.028f6d50@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:39 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Here are a couple of examples so you can get an idea of what I mean: >http://www.abcgallery.com/C/clouet/frclouet1.html Who is this person in the image? The image looks familiar. >In this one you can see how the ends of the necklace cross over: >http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/c/p-clouet5.htm Wow, I had seen this one years ago, but I don't remember who it is. Is it another of Isabella? Is it someone else? All that is noted on this page is the name of the image, Clouet, which is the painter. And thanks for the images. I think I understand what you are trying to say about it being more "jewelry" in the hair, than a bejeweled hat. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 02:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6EGV5018622 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:14:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DmdD007241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DmIJ003606; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6D5IL003311 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJW003UAMLR54@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:15 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819223536.02903a40@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <20030818155300.K79866-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Someone said she was having trouble finding this. I haven't heard this >title before, but it sounds as though you're talking about the painting >often called the "Wedding of the Duc de Joyeuse" or the "Bal of the Duc de >Joyeuse," which occurred in 1581 at the court of Henri III. Well I found a detail from the painting at http://www.elegantarts.org/renjoy.html And a small, but the full image of the same at http://www.silesiancramer.com/art/english/16_wedding.htm Thanks for giving us the name of the image. Now I know what I am looking for and at. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 02:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6EPV5018688 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:14:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DxdD007269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DwIJ003699; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6D7IJ003341 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJW003UAMLR54@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:52:53 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] late 1580s Elizabethan style? In-reply-to: <20030819090546.O11584-100000@shell.siscom.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819224554.028ee6e8@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030818203322.02fac320@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:08 AM 8/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I only noticed after sending my email that you had specified "late" 1580s. >As 1590 approached, the flat-topped birthday cake look became more and >more prevalent, and gowns began to resemble the stereotypical portraits >you see of the 1590s of Queen Elizabeth and other women. Hmmm... the year I am going for is 1588, with something close to the Armada portrait in shape. Would this be more rounded, or more "the flat-topped birthday cake look"? The big sleeves are blocking my view of the hips, so I am not sure of what I am seeing. >> > >http://www.phoenixtextiles.com is currently having a very evil sale of >several shades of cotton velvet and velveteen... That's the place I am looking at, if not my local store. >Sounds like it will be lovely! If it comes out right, I hope it will be. Different for our court, as only the lady playing the Queen currently wears a look of the 1580s. She has her gown actually based on the Armada portrait. >Drea Thanks again Drea, you are a wonderful font of info. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 02:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6EaV5018760 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:14:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DrdD007255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6DrIJ003643; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K6D5IJ003311 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb170.cvip.net [129.8.204.170]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJW003UAMLR54@keaton.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:34:22 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dry cleaners In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819233006.01d00bb0@radiks.net> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819223332.028e8e90@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <200308191801.h7JI1lHK018218@net.indra.com> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:39 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >That's one hint - try to find the cleaners used by any theatrical groups >in your city - they'll be used to seeing unusual stuff. Also, one of our >local cleaners has started using a new process - using carbon dioxide in >some fashion - it's a very low temp process and has worked very well on >the modern delicate rayon stuff I've taken in. I asked them about beads >and plastic jewels, and they said that since there were no petro-solvents >used and the temp was well below that of bath water, they should be >fine. I haven't sent them a test bit yet - most of the things we've done >recently have been washable. Perhaps there is a cleaner in your area >using this process as well. Oh wow, thanks for the info. I will have to ask around since my new costumes are not going to be wash and wear friendly like my old Scots stuff. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 03:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K7XHV5013917 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K7WidD009498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K7WgEj001627; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7K7WcEj001575 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030820073233.71040.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:32:33 BST Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:32:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c366cc$03a4cf40$f3cdadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > > I'm hoping it's silk for personal reasons but I'm not holding out much > hope;) I'm trying to find counted blackwork on silk you see... > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com Ugh, dear, you don't wnat to wear silk next to your body, it gets slimy with the body heat/sweat. Bleuch! ;-) Nicole ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 06:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KAuKV5018591 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KAtidD014777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KAtgNN008990; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KAtbNN008922 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.212]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 39B6048006A for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:55:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c3670a$1d69c230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:59:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I have now made half of the embroidered stomacher. You know, the one i told you of i made from fragments of real early 18th century embroidery patterns. Margaretha Helms, a german lady who published her patterns in 1720ies. I have used Eterna silk floss, and only 1 thread, it takes some time, but the result is worth all the work. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/helmspatterns.htm Hope you enjoy. I finally found what i want to make this winter. I borrowed a french costume book at the library, and there is a lovely french court dress, embroidered off cause with silver bobbin lace on the front stomacher wich is pinned on outside the bodice, and then embroidery on the skirts. wonderfull to deside to something new. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 08:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KCg6V5018837 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:42:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KCf9dD019101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KCf6WV017273; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KCf3WV017254 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 36017 invoked by uid 1005); 20 Aug 2003 12:40:59 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.377984 secs); 20 Aug 2003 12:40:59 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.377984 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 12:40:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Drea Leed To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Links on Drea's sight... a forward In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030820083745.G43227-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dan, I just checked my smock generator site, and it worked OK for me...what measurements did you put in? As for my email address, when you click on the link, a java script opens up a mail window to email me. I did this instead of straight mailto links, due to the 200+ a day plague of spam that having my email address on my site caused. I've tested this email functionality for netscape and IE on both PC and mac, and it's been coming up ok for me. Do you have javascript disabled on your browser? What browser version and platform do you use? Thanks, Drea On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, rob and laurie gage wrote: > This is a message sent to me by a friend to forward on his behalf. I > agreed to send it along. > Laurie > > From: Daniel P. Bronson > Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:43:30 AM America/New_York > To: rob and laurie gage > Subject: Hmmm... > > In my flurry of post-pennsic reading, I discovered Drea's Elizabethan > smock generator. Trouble is, it's broken. Most of the images don't > load. Also, none of the email links on her site are live. I don't > suppose you have her email address anywhere? I'd like to call this > problem to her attention. > > --Dan > > Crime and Religion should never be 'organized.' > When they are, people die in large numbers. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 09:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KDDSV5018886 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KDCsdD020604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KDCq4x000685; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9401.mail.yahoo.com (web9401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KDCo4x000668 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030820131250.37242.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:12:50 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000d01c3670a$1d69c230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, it is already very beautiful! Your is wonderful! Albra Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi. I have now made half of the embroidered stomacher. You know, the one i told you of i made from fragments of real early 18th century embroidery patterns. Margaretha Helms, a german lady who published her patterns in 1720ies. I have used Eterna silk floss, and only 1 thread, it takes some time, but the result is worth all the work. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/helmspatterns.htm Hope you enjoy. I finally found what i want to make this winter. I borrowed a french costume book at the library, and there is a lovely french court dress, embroidered off cause with silver bobbin lace on the front stomacher wich is pinned on outside the bodice, and then embroidery on the skirts. wonderfull to deside to something new. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 10:26:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KEQ0V5018993 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KENodD025558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KENjXM010650; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KENgXM010560 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.a1.3cf1386e (18555) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:23:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dry Cleaners To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7KEQ0V5018993 Status: RO > Also, one of our >local cleaners has started using a new process - using carbon dioxide in >some fashion - it's a very low temp process and has worked very well on >the modern delicate rayon stuff I've taken in. I asked them about beads >and plastic jewels, and they said that since there were no petro-solvents >used and the temp was well below that of bath water, they should be >fine. Sounds like the new liquid CO2 systems. One of the companies producing it set up a franchise system to sell it through -- I think the name you'd be looking for is Hangers Cleaners. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:14:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFEpV5019089 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:14:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBddD029921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBd6u017179; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBb6u017104 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.cc.213e0791 (4012) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:11:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:05:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catpurson@juno.com writes: > Bjarne, How do you get that wonderful sculptured look to your > satin stitch? Mine always looks flat. Your's is gorgeous!!!! > Isn't it?! I was taught to always outline, just inside the line of the design, with a running stitch before doing satin stitch [encasing the running stitch within the satin stitch] This helps give a neat edge and slightly raises the satin stitch. Then there's padded satin stitch, where one does layers of satin stitch over each other to raise it up. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFFWV5019093 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:15:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBIdD029892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBH6u016888; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFBD6u016822 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A8C44800BD for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001701c3672d$d5c829c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030820.110248.-376975.3.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:15:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Lalah, I think it perhaps is, that i use long and short stitches mixed together and then you should not pull your thread two tight. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher > Bjarne, How do you get that wonderful sculptured look to your > satin stitch? Mine always looks flat. Your's is gorgeous!!!! > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFPnV5019117 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:25:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFMQdD001002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFMP6u025780; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFMM6u025732 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A89B44802C0 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002601c3672f$652b82a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:26:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher > In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:05:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > catpurson@juno.com writes: > > > Bjarne, How do you get that wonderful sculptured look to your > > satin stitch? Mine always looks flat. Your's is gorgeous!!!! > > > > Isn't it?! > > I was taught to always outline, just inside the line of the design, with a > running stitch before doing satin stitch [encasing the running stitch within the > satin stitch] This helps give a neat edge and slightly raises the satin > stitch. Then there's padded satin stitch, where one does layers of satin stitch > over each other to raise it up. Hi. As a matter of fact i have taught to do the same, but the book says you should use split stitches in the line before you do the satin stitch. But i have not used any outlining stitches before the satin stitches in this piece. I have only learned it from books. But i would really like to learn from a skilled teacher. There is one here in Copenhagen wich teaches, but so far i have not ben able to come because it is in the time when i work, she also take solo lessons, but that is much two expensive for me! It takes quite some time to get your stitches right i think, i have done this for a year now, this type of stitches, and i can feel it gets better and better. This type of stitches was also used in renaissance times. Bjarne ______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFg6V5019153 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:42:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFfNdD002955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFfM6u011323; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFfK6u011280 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19pV4b-0001nk-00; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:40:33 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: , , Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:40:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36731$6f132550$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Short Stories from LA shopping district and museums X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7KFg6V5019153 Status: RO Sorry about the cross posts... I just got back from 4 days in LA...man did we have fun! My 2 cents on the fabric district is to go on a weekday-it was much less hectic and parking is cheaper. Send for the map from the website before you go (didn't see one of those yellow shirted guys that had a map on him). http://www.fashiondistrict.org/ If nothing else, it has the restrooms on it. Go a few blocks away from the center (8th and Maple) to eat, there are plenty of places. Went to the Getty and saw the Illuminating the Renaissance-Fabulous, Incredible! Got a poster with a really clear view of one of those gathered Flemish kirtles...will post it later. Also visited the LACMA-some great textiles and a really spiffy Italian sculpture which showed a lot of hair detail. I'll post a few of those also.... Oh and saw Pirates of the Caribbean...love that dirty Johnny and whoever said that Orlando looked even better in his own hair color was right. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFgZV5019157 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:42:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFg3dD003033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFg16u012004; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFfZ6u011571 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19pV5a-0003LZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:35 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c36731$93c4c2f0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c36731$178079a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7KFfZ6u011571 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would contact them...I bet they'd do it for a price....I have done this before...you can expect to pay ~100 per photo.. Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:38 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? Hi the list. I am sure there are some of you who have tryed this before, therefore i ask you. In the Kyoto book, there is the most wonderfull embroidered white skirt. I think it is made of linen. It is the one where the dummy is dressed with a small jacket two and a very beautifull hat. The skirt has polycrome flowers in a wreath all way round. I was thinking about contakting Kyoto museum to ask if i could buy a photo where all the repeated pattern is shown. Do you think the museum do such things? I am aware that it costs quite a bit to buy a photo, but i really would love it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:45:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFj4V5019164 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KF4CdD029259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KF496u011549; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KF466u011440 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWknmd8DzePUAmRovm/QYtc6eWAp/hgMDBw==">; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:03:49 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H72L7F4V; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:03:49 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:57:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Message-ID: <20030820.110248.-376975.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, How do you get that wonderful sculptured look to your satin stitch? Mine always looks flat. Your's is gorgeous!!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 11:49:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFnbV5019170 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFlvdD003528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFlt6u016892; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KFlq6u016773 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OrO1iigJ5ZQytQJ3ALHm3Os=">; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:53 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H72PNBG3; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:53 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:26:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Message-ID: <20030820.084549.1536.10.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, you make the rest of us feel very humble. It's absolutely lovely. Arlys > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > I have now made half of the embroidered stomacher. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 12:27:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KGRaV5019234 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KGQwdD007022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:26:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KGQvAk022306; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KGQrAk022167 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.192.1eb258ca (4012) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <192.1eb258ca.2c74fb43@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:26:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:42:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > ~100 per photo.. > C'mon Bjarne, are you going to make a replica? You can make up what you cannot see unless you want an EXACT replica. Are speaking of the sheer skirt worn with the dark striped jacket trimmed with fringe? If so, in the big Kyoto book, there is a skit on the next page, with the red striped jacket with buttons, that is so similar, I thought it was the same skirt. Do you like one skirt more than the other? ;-P My point is that this type of design must have been popular if two so similar designs survived. Your slight variation would be just as accurate. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 12:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KGxeV5019366 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFYZdD002274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFYX6u005757; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KFYU6u005703 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D6B75EE341 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c36731$178079a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:38:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi the list. I am sure there are some of you who have tryed this before, therefore i ask you. In the Kyoto book, there is the most wonderfull embroidered white skirt. I think it is made of linen. It is the one where the dummy is dressed with a small jacket two and a very beautifull hat. The skirt has polycrome flowers in a wreath all way round. I was thinking about contakting Kyoto museum to ask if i could buy a photo where all the repeated pattern is shown. Do you think the museum do such things? I am aware that it costs quite a bit to buy a photo, but i really would love it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 13:09:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KH93V5019404 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KH8QdD010687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KH8MMq028704; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KH8EMq028579 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-187-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.187.202]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2CB2F9CE for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:08:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Heather Meadows To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all -- I'm getting my boyfriend ready to go to the Gatsby picnic, and I wanted to take the cute stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much spiffier white rounded collar on it. Now, I have no problems drafting the collar and getting it to work -- but I have no idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. I have a few vintage shirts, and even though they are not starched at all, the collars and cuffs have this papery feel. Any idea how this was done? I really don't want to rip them apart. Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. Anyone made these? thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! :) .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 13:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHCeV5019412 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHA2e3010898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KH3BMq024389; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.lax.untd.com (m28.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KH1xMq023132 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWknmd8DzePUAtpJVJVcHQ5RY3+Itlvr6kw==">; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:01:07 PDT Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H72TV8GA; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:01:07 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:59:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Message-ID: <20030820.125933.-492707.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10 From: catpurson@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been doing embroidery as long as you have lived, I expect, and my satin stitch is good and satin smooth and the edges are even when I take the time. But I have never done anything that looked like it was made of china and attached. Your flower looks like it is really made of some kind of sculpture. My short and long stitches are just a nice way to fill in large areas that I want shaded and never look like that. I suppose padding would get the same effect, but it would have to be done very, very carefully to get the high and low effect. Whatever you do, it is fabulous!!! Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 13:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHeSV5019470 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHdodD014194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHdkMq026271; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHdSMq026025 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:39:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:37:18 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A1CE207E010E; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:37:18 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:37:17 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c36741$de52a840$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know the details, but I think those extremely stiff collars, like old fashioned nurse's caps, were actaully dipped in starch (or starch water). Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Heather Meadows Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Hi all -- I'm getting my boyfriend ready to go to the Gatsby picnic, and I wanted to take the cute stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much spiffier white rounded collar on it. Now, I have no problems drafting the collar and getting it to work -- but I have no idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. I have a few vintage shirts, and even though they are not starched at all, the collars and cuffs have this papery feel. Any idea how this was done? I really don't want to rip them apart. Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. Anyone made these? thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! :) .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 13:46:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHkGV5019494 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:46:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHjGdD014806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHjEMq001179; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-oe52.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KHjBMq001079 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:45:06 -0700 Received: from 162.40.62.175 by law10-oe52.law10.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:45:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [162.40.62.175] X-Originating-Email: [bookseller13069@hotmail.com] From: "Keith and Jacqueline Bump" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:46:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 17:45:06.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAA1F520:01C36742] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Starch starch and more starch. Get the powdered starch to dip it in or another solution is to use Elmer's Glue thinned with water and painted onto the fabric. Bice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories > > > Hi all -- I'm getting my boyfriend ready to go to > the Gatsby picnic, and I wanted to take the cute > stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much > spiffier white rounded collar on it. Now, I have no problems > drafting the collar and getting it to work -- but I have no > idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. > I have a few vintage shirts, and even though they are > not starched at all, the collars and cuffs have this papery > feel. Any idea how this was done? I really don't want to > rip them apart. > > Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, > but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. > Anyone made these? > > thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! > > :) > > .heather. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 14:05:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI5cV5019557 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:05:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI4cdD016843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI4PIi017848; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI4JIi017727 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A11B262AFF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c36746$0af5d300$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <192.1eb258ca.2c74fb43@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:08:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes it is the same skirt, and i know that you could make a pattern of it in just imagine the rest. But i want to make it as accurate as possible. I guess all the pattern repeat could be in one picture, and with the computer i could zoom it in to the right size. It will be a challenge though, because it is very difficult to embroider satin stitches on a plain linnen. It has not as many threads in it as taffeta has. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? > In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:42:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > > > ~100 per photo.. > > > > C'mon Bjarne, are you going to make a replica? You can make up what you > cannot see unless you want an EXACT replica. > > Are speaking of the sheer skirt worn with the dark striped jacket trimmed > with fringe? If so, in the big Kyoto book, there is a skit on the next page, with > the red striped jacket with buttons, that is so similar, I thought it was the > same skirt. Do you like one skirt more than the other? ;-P > > My point is that this type of design must have been popular if two so similar > designs survived. Your slight variation would be just as accurate. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 14:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI7HV5019565 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:07:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI6TdD017098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI6SIi020146; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KI6OIi020064 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C76B3480295 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c36746$55e02370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030820.125933.-492707.0.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:10:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Lalah, thankyou very much for this. You have made me very happy. I think it is because i love old embroideries, and i am in awe of it. Then i do as best as i can to make it look like. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher > I have been doing embroidery as long as you have lived, I expect, > and my satin stitch is good and satin smooth and the edges are even when > I take the time. But I have never done anything that looked like it was > made of china and attached. Your flower looks like it is really made of > some kind of sculpture. My short and long stitches are just a nice way > to fill in large areas that I want shaded and never look like that. I > suppose padding would get the same effect, but it would have to be done > very, very carefully to get the high and low effect. Whatever you do, it > is fabulous!!! > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 14:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIX7V5019623 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIWTdD019223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIWPIi011889; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIWLIj011789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.141])ESMTP id h7KIWFCK021726 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:32:15 -0700 Received: from [128.95.177.85] (gawne.urol.washington.edu [128.95.177.85]) ESMTP id h7KIWFdo003962 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:32:15 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:32:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? From: Agnes Gawne To: H-costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c36746$0af5d300$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne - I have a friend who has made this skirt already. Her name is Susan Pasco. She is a wonderful costumer and embroiderer like yourself. She showed the costume along with a number of others at Costume College a few years ago. I believe that someone on this list from LA took a number of photos of it there. If any of you are on the list and you have those photos, would you consider scanning for Bjarne? I don't have the photos. If nobody has the photos, I will try to contact Susan here in Seattle and see if she has photos of it. The skirt was damaged in a flood after the Costume College it was displayed at or I would just ask her permission to photograph it for you. Agnes on 8/20/03 11:08, Bjarne og Leif Drews at drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > Hi, > Yes it is the same skirt, and i know that you could make a pattern of it in > just imagine the rest. > But i want to make it as accurate as possible. > I guess all the pattern repeat could be in one picture, and with the > computer i could zoom it in to the right size. > It will be a challenge though, because it is very difficult to embroider > satin stitches on a plain linnen. It has not as many threads in it as > taffeta has. > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? > > >> In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:42:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> saragrace@earthlink.net writes: >> >>> ~100 per photo.. >>> >> >> C'mon Bjarne, are you going to make a replica? You can make up what you >> cannot see unless you want an EXACT replica. >> >> Are speaking of the sheer skirt worn with the dark striped jacket trimmed >> with fringe? If so, in the big Kyoto book, there is a skit on the next > page, with >> the red striped jacket with buttons, that is so similar, I thought it was > the >> same skirt. Do you like one skirt more than the other? ;-P >> >> My point is that this type of design must have been popular if two so > similar >> designs survived. Your slight variation would be just as accurate. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 14:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIf3V5019662 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIdvdD019893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIdsIi018016; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KIdkIi017876 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-118-230-145.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 18:39:46 -0000 Message-ID: <00f901c3674a$e9e3ff20$91e67643@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new vintage magazine - contact info Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:43:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail, here's the two emails I kept with contact information. _____________ (snip) Vintage Fashion is being published by Renaissance Magazine - the editor and editorial team are entirely different, as are advertising rates, but the address and contact for publisher/advertising information is the same: Renaissance is based in Connecticut at the following address: 1450 Barnum Avenue. Suite 207, Bridgeport, CT 06610 USA; telephone (800) 232-2224; fax (800) 775-2729. We will have our web site link up ASAP, and you'll be able to access it via www.renaissancemagazine.com, as well as directly. We'll advise you as to our own URL and so on as the info. gets defined. In the meantime, please note that Vintage Fashion is directed at vintage, costume and textile professionals and semi-pros rather than consumers and the general public; our target readership is designers, makers, dealers, collectors, curators, educators, shopkeepers, researchers, etc. and among our circulation will be costume designers and wardrobe masters/mistresses for film, theater, opera and ballet, museum staff, auction houses etc. Best regards, Julia +++++++ Hi, Everybody: There have been a couple of questions about how to get the magazine so I thought it might be smart to post the info. here. The first issue of Vintage Fashion has already gone out; for those of you who didn't get on to our mailing list, you can call our 800 number to subscribe or to get a single copy. That number is 800-232-2224. By the way, we've got a classified ad section which is good both for people with services or product to offer AND people looking for specific services or product. We're going out to thousands of historical reproduction costume designers and makers as WELL as actual vintage couture/historical costume collectors and dealers...so you never know, someone out there might have an incredible dress from the early 20th, 19th or even 18th centuries that they're interested in selling or trading/barter. Also, if you've got news you think should be reported in the next issue of the magazine, please feel free to send us a press release or an email (fashionreporting@aol.com) Thanks for your support, everyone! Best, Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] new vintage magazine > > > Would someone please send me the email address and name of the woman > publishing the new vintange fashion magazine? Also the name of the magazine? > I lost it and I want to ask her something. > > Thanks! > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 14:52:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIqFV5019694 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIpcdD020776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIpXIi027010; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KIpTIi026948 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C0E1E480335 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c3674c$a26c5550$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:55:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne - I have a friend who has made this skirt already. Her name is Susan Pasco. She is a wonderful costumer and embroiderer like yourself. She showed the costume along with a number of others at Costume College a few years ago. I believe that someone on this list from LA took a number of photos of it there. If any of you are on the list and you have those photos, would you consider scanning for Bjarne? I don't have the photos. If nobody has the photos, I will try to contact Susan here in Seattle and see if she has photos of it. The skirt was damaged in a flood after the Costume College it was displayed at or I would just ask her permission to photograph it for you. Agnes Dear Agnes, That would be very kind of you. But are you shure that she would not be worried that i stole the work from her? What a pitty you tell me she had her skirt damaged. what a shame. It must have taken her many many hours to make the skirt. Did she also make it in a fine linen? Perhaps a hankerchief linen? I made my 18th century shirt of hankerchief linen i baught in Belgium. It was very very expensive though, but i think i could use that for the skirt. AAAhhhhhhhhh, wish i had more time!!! It is scary to think about, maybe i only have 30 years left to make things, if i am lucky!!! Wish i had lived in 18th century though, then i would have ben a tailor.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 15:40:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJe6V5019824 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJcbdD024597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJcXuW007950; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJcUuW007834 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.15b.23502dea (4426) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.23502dea.2c75282b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/20/2003 1:04:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catpurson@juno.com writes: > but it would have to be done > very, very carefully I thought ALL embroidery was to be done this way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 15:54:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJsOV5019864 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJrCdD025885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJrBuW020130; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KJr6uX019987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.141])ESMTP id h7KJr0CK002872 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:00 -0700 Received: from [128.95.177.85] (gawne.urol.washington.edu [128.95.177.85]) ESMTP id h7KJr0do017521 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:00 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:52:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne- an enquiry to Kyoto From: Agnes Gawne To: H-costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c3674c$a26c5550$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Bjarne - I don't think Susan would believe you to be stealing since she made a skirt inspired by the one in Kyoto. She, like you, only had the images in the old Kyoto book (the newer one has the additional photos but she made this a number of years ago). Her mother was a florist and she loves plants and flowers herself so she used her own imagination, and extensive experience with flowers, to create what she thought the other flowers would have been on the skirt. If you made an exact replica of the flowers you can see and made appropriate choices for the other ones based on your favorite flowers, or seasonal flowers, or some theme like that, you would be creating your own original version inspired by Kyoto just like she did. I wish we could have a web page of her work but she is very modest and doesn't want to brag. You would love to work with her, I think you have a very similar style. She loves the embellishments of costume more than the construction of the garment and I get a feeling that's your preference as well. Agnes on 8/20/03 11:55, Bjarne og Leif Drews at drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > > Bjarne - > I have a friend who has made this skirt already. Her name is Susan Pasco. > She is a wonderful costumer and embroiderer like yourself. She showed the > costume along with a number of others at Costume College a few years ago. I > believe that someone on this list from LA took a number of photos of it > there. If any of you are on the list and you have those photos, would you > consider scanning for Bjarne? I don't have the photos. > > If nobody has the photos, I will try to contact Susan here in Seattle and > see if she has photos of it. > > The skirt was damaged in a flood after the Costume College it was displayed > at or I would just ask her permission to photograph it for you. > > Agnes > > Dear Agnes, > That would be very kind of you. But are you shure that she would not be > worried that i stole the work from her? > What a pitty you tell me she had her skirt damaged. what a shame. It must > have taken her many many hours to make the skirt. Did she also make it in a > fine linen? Perhaps a hankerchief linen? > I made my 18th century shirt of hankerchief linen i baught in Belgium. It > was very very expensive though, but i think i could use that for the skirt. > AAAhhhhhhhhh, wish i had more time!!! > It is scary to think about, maybe i only have 30 years left to make things, > if i am lucky!!! > Wish i had lived in 18th century though, then i would have ben a > tailor.......... > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 16:17:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KKHhV5019986 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:17:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KKDCdD027666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KKD9ZF006756; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7KKD6ZF006719 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-118-230-145.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO angelap3a8d978) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 20:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c36757$f3cc1600$91e67643@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c3674c$a26c5550$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:16:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just had a minute to cruise by Bjarne's latest and my heart nearly stopped beating! Since taking up my needle at a very tender age to begin to embroider, all forms of hand embellishments to fabric (beading, thread, spangles, what have you) have always been the portion of costuming dearest to my heart. What a magnificent example to the rest of us you are, with your tireless efforts, perfect stitches and fabulous designs!! Wow. I too, think the devil is in the details. Any garment can be transformed by a well-placed hand stitched detail. Bjarne's (and often my own) favorite garments are almost all hand stitched details and even though it is terrifically time consuming, the results are what makes folks stop and go "Wow." So again, wow. I feel so lucky to be part of a list with so many bright, talented and creative people on it. You are all constant inspiration, particularly when I'm stuck in the house with a particularly daunting project looming at me and wondering if anyone will notice all the hard work I'm putting into it. angela Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." The Merry Wives of Windsor, III, iv - W. Shakespeare > > Bjarne - > I have a friend who has made this skirt already. Her name is Susan Pasco. > She is a wonderful costumer and embroiderer like yourself. She showed the > costume along with a number of others at Costume College a few years ago. I > believe that someone on this list from LA took a number of photos of it > there. If any of you are on the list and you have those photos, would you > consider scanning for Bjarne? I don't have the photos. > > If nobody has the photos, I will try to contact Susan here in Seattle and > see if she has photos of it. > > The skirt was damaged in a flood after the Costume College it was displayed > at or I would just ask her permission to photograph it for you. > > Agnes > > Dear Agnes, > That would be very kind of you. But are you shure that she would not be > worried that i stole the work from her? > What a pitty you tell me she had her skirt damaged. what a shame. It must > have taken her many many hours to make the skirt. Did she also make it in a > fine linen? Perhaps a hankerchief linen? > I made my 18th century shirt of hankerchief linen i baught in Belgium. It > was very very expensive though, but i think i could use that for the skirt. > AAAhhhhhhhhh, wish i had more time!!! > It is scary to think about, maybe i only have 30 years left to make things, > if i am lucky!!! > Wish i had lived in 18th century though, then i would have ben a > tailor.......... > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL82V5024364 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL28dD002009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL24Kn017997; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL21Kn017956 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.195]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:14:47 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c3675f$16a45b90$c3520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308201800.h7KI0gIk014348@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, 1920's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Starch is good but don't forget the value of a very, very, very hot iron. Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:10:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLAiV5024398 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL9ddD002634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL9cKn024249; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KL9aKn024233 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:07:25 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A30A713011A; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:07:25 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:07:25 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, 1920's Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3675f$4a5b3030$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c3675f$16a45b90$c3520940@WorkingGirl> X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margaret-- I have trouble with starch scorching if my iron is too hot. Do you know a trick I don't? Kim Baird -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Baird Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, 1920's Starch is good but don't forget the value of a very, very, very hot iron. Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:15:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLFRV5024407 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLCldD002912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLChKn026742; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLCaKn026645 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdf.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.223]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 04B88262B42 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c36760$5c63c6b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c3674c$a26c5550$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <001e01c36757$f3cc1600$91e67643@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:16:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Angela. You are so generous. Thankyou for those lovely lovely words, i am very very happy. This computer age, is very very nice for me. If i did not have you all to talk to, i would be very very lonely. It is a very lonely work to make costumes because not many apreciates the work you do. So i am very happy to share my work with you all. It is lovely to be a member here, because you all apreciate the work we do. Many many thanks Angela................ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cabbage Rose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto > Just had a minute to cruise by Bjarne's latest and my heart nearly stopped > beating! Since taking up my needle at a very tender age to begin to > embroider, all forms of hand embellishments to fabric (beading, thread, > spangles, what have you) have always been the portion of costuming dearest > to my heart. What a magnificent example to the rest of us you are, with > your tireless efforts, perfect stitches and fabulous designs!! Wow. > > I too, think the devil is in the details. Any garment can be transformed by > a well-placed hand stitched detail. Bjarne's (and often my own) favorite > garments are almost all hand stitched details and even though it is > terrifically time consuming, the results are what makes folks stop and go > "Wow." > > So again, wow. I feel so lucky to be part of a list with so many bright, > talented and creative people on it. You are all constant inspiration, > particularly when I'm stuck in the house with a particularly daunting > project looming at me and wondering if anyone will notice all the hard work > I'm putting into it. > > angela > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults > looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." > The Merry Wives of Windsor, III, iv - W. Shakespeare > > > > > > Bjarne - > > I have a friend who has made this skirt already. Her name is Susan Pasco. > > She is a wonderful costumer and embroiderer like yourself. She showed the > > costume along with a number of others at Costume College a few years ago. > I > > believe that someone on this list from LA took a number of photos of it > > there. If any of you are on the list and you have those photos, would you > > consider scanning for Bjarne? I don't have the photos. > > > > If nobody has the photos, I will try to contact Susan here in Seattle and > > see if she has photos of it. > > > > The skirt was damaged in a flood after the Costume College it was > displayed > > at or I would just ask her permission to photograph it for you. > > > > Agnes > > > > Dear Agnes, > > That would be very kind of you. But are you shure that she would not be > > worried that i stole the work from her? > > What a pitty you tell me she had her skirt damaged. what a shame. It must > > have taken her many many hours to make the skirt. Did she also make it in > a > > fine linen? Perhaps a hankerchief linen? > > I made my 18th century shirt of hankerchief linen i baught in Belgium. It > > was very very expensive though, but i think i could use that for the > skirt. > > AAAhhhhhhhhh, wish i had more time!!! > > It is scary to think about, maybe i only have 30 years left to make > things, > > if i am lucky!!! > > Wish i had lived in 18th century though, then i would have ben a > > tailor.......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:25:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLPqV5024430 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:25:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLOfdD003643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLOeKn006260; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLOaKn006138 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.54.178fccc5 (4362) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <54.178fccc5.2c75410b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:24:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/20/2003 5:13:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > It is a very lonely work to make > costumes because not many apreciates the work you do. > Hoooo boy! Is that right! I remember the tech director and lighting designer of a Shakespeare Festival once said to us in a production meeting: "We have 3 weeks to get the sets and costumes finish... [ then with a "this is so tiring" look at me] And y'know the costumes don't have to fit perfectly." [He was tired of trying to schedule fittings] I was insulted to the max! I snapped back in front of everyone. "Yeah, and you don't have to do any fancy lighting or anything, just some general illumination will do. Oh, and the actors don't really need to learn their lines. Just so they say something sorta like what Shakespeare meant. And we really don't need a set at all. And..." At this point he held up his hand and said "OK OK...we get your damn point!" I ended the meeting with; "I'll give you a list of who I need fittings for this week tomorrow." What a jerk! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:30:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLUPV5024442 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:30:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLTmdD004045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLTiKn010352; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLTeKn010272 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20683 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:57:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:57:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- help! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I am SO upset. I was wearing my absolute favorite all-purpose denim dress -- the one that goes anywhere and always looks right and feels comfortable -- and I dropped a black Sharpie laundry marker in my lap. I now have a black spot about the size of a hole-punch over my left thigh. It's not in a place where I could add a creative applique, but it's not exactly hidden either :-P I can think of a lot of cleaning solutions I could try, but I'd rather go with experience. Has anyone ever successfully removed Sharpie marker from denim (or another fabric)? Has anyone ever tried and failed (and thus can save me the trouble of trying, if it's doomed)? I really don't want to try remaking this dress. It was store-bought and has all the double-topstitching you normally get with denim, and buttons all the way down the side. And it fits perfectly -- something that NEVER happens. Bleah. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLYUV5024457 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:34:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLXfdD004296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLXeKn013206; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-oe54.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLXbKn013151 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:33:32 -0700 Received: from 162.40.62.175 by law10-oe54.law10.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:33:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [162.40.62.175] X-Originating-Email: [bookseller13069@hotmail.com] From: "Keith and Jacqueline Bump" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c3675f$16a45b90$c3520940@WorkingGirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, 1920's Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:32:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 21:33:32.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[B42B2C10:01C36762] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Amen. And if you need one *G* I have an older one for sale that doesn't use water. It's perfect for wool and for starching. Not good at all for synthetics. Bice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Baird " To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, 1920's > Starch is good but don't forget the value of a very, very, very hot > iron. Margaret Baird > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 17:42:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLgZV5024483 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLfqdD004993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLfmKn019737; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KLfgKo019582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7KLl4oP025247 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:04 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F43EB3C.2080700@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:20 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- help! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These two websites address general sharpie marker removal: http://www.creativehomemaking.com/forums/Cleaning/posts/488.html http://www.diynetwork.com/DIY/post/1,2021,8_164264,FF.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 18:10:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMAAV5024556 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KM9WdD007468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KM9UZb012429; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KM9HZc012228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7KM8xXM000306 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:09:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7KM8rOf000304 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:08:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:08:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201808.52835.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7KM9HZc012228 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:08 pm, Heather Meadows wrote: > Hi all -- I'm getting my boyfriend ready to go to > the Gatsby picnic, and I wanted to take the cute > stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much > spiffier white rounded collar on it. Now, I have no problems > drafting the collar and getting it to work -- but I have no > idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. > I have a few vintage shirts, and even though they are > not starched at all, the collars and cuffs have this papery > feel. Any idea how this was done? I really don't want to > rip them apart. Somebody who specializes in the 20s should check me on this, but my recollection is that it was common for men's shirts in that period to have disposable collars that really *were* made out of heavy paper. If I'm right, you might be able to find a company catering to reenactors that sells them. In fact, now as I think of it, Amazon Drygoods sells them. http://www.victoriana.com/amazon/ They don't have an on line catalog but the website tells you where to get a paper catalog from them. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 18:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMP6V5024627 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:25:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMOCdD008604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMOBZb024159; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMO7Zb024121 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdf.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.223]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AD494800E9 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:24:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c3676a$598ca650$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <54.178fccc5.2c75410b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:28:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I can imagine how it is to work on a theater. This is one of the resons i did not put my heart into seeking a job on theater. I feared that all my enthusiasme would be blown away, and all the stress that follows. So i am very pleased with my situation now. Working with other things to earn my living and make the rest in my sparetime. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Agnes an enquiry to Kyoto > In a message dated 8/20/2003 5:13:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > > It is a very lonely work to make > > costumes because not many apreciates the work you do. > > > > Hoooo boy! Is that right! > > I remember the tech director and lighting designer of a Shakespeare Festival > once said to us in a production meeting: "We have 3 weeks to get the sets and > costumes finish... [ then with a "this is so tiring" look at me] And y'know > the costumes don't have to fit perfectly." [He was tired of trying to schedule > fittings] I was insulted to the max! I snapped back in front of everyone. > "Yeah, and you don't have to do any fancy lighting or anything, just some general > illumination will do. Oh, and the actors don't really need to learn their > lines. Just so they say something sorta like what Shakespeare meant. And we really > don't need a set at all. And..." > > At this point he held up his hand and said "OK OK...we get your damn point!" > > I ended the meeting with; "I'll give you a list of who I need fittings for > this week tomorrow." > > What a jerk! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 18:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMRoV5024634 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:27:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMR8dD008861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMR4Zb026469; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMQvZb026382 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19pbPs-0009ul-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:26:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:58:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] isabel de valois dress References: <3F40B4A1.4050400@kabelfoon.nl> <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812214157.02efab78@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20030815123144.02ea4730@127.0.0.1> <001801c363b3$dd441bf0$72ccadcb@michaela> <5.1.0.14.0.20030817213028.02f6bae0@127.0.0.1> <000d01c36571$803f7ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.0.0.25.2.20030819173434.03271210@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030819224410.028f6d50@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030819224410.028f6d50@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote >At 05:39 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Here are a couple of examples so you can get an idea of what I mean: >>http://www.abcgallery.com/C/clouet/frclouet1.html > >Who is this person in the image? The image looks familiar. > This one is really interesting to me. There's a fashion, goes back to the first precursors of hoods, in the flowerpot hennin with a big velvet lappet, that young girls wear the lappet, or both English and French hoods, just the front part with their hair loose and uncovered at the back. This looks possibly similar. But the second one is very clearly just jewellery. I'd also love to know who it is, and approximately how old she is? Jean >>In this one you can see how the ends of the necklace cross over: >>http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/c/p-clouet5.htm > >Wow, I had seen this one years ago, but I don't remember who it is. Is >it another of Isabella? Is it someone else? All that is noted on this >page is the name of the image, Clouet, which is the painter. > >And thanks for the images. I think I understand what you are trying to >say about it being more "jewelry" in the hair, than a bejeweled hat. > >Kimiko > > > >Kimiko Small >Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother >kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com >"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > >Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery >http://www.costumegallery.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 18:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMbZV5024654 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:37:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMb9dD009601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMb7Zb004241; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KMb1Zb004100 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.146.177d8fd6 (15702) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID53-3d563f43f8002dd; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:36:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:36:48 -0400 From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <663DFD6E.2D4525C0.0B5D5234@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 128.2.71.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From my technical theatre/design major roommate, the following: 1. Rinse to get rid of as much as possible in cold water. 2. Rub with a pure bar soap (like ivory) 3. Wash using hot water and a non-chlorine bleach laundry detergent safe for the fabric. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 20:46:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L0kIV5025054 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:46:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L0jddD017488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L0jaFR025240; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L0jWFR025185 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-005-099.jps.net ([216.119.5.99] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19pdZz-0007j9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:45:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c3677d$bda3afe0$630577d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200308192328.h7JNSncv003393@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Drycleaners was:On dyeing Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is absolutely the best advice anyone could ever give about a drycleaners! The place I worked at used the solution over and over and the quality of the cleaning became worse and worse, then the solution would be changed and like magic the quality shot up. Thanks for posting that, I'd forgotten that myself. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Drycleaners was:On dyeing > My Uncle used to own several drycleaning businesses and gave me the best tip I've ever heard on making sure my > fancy gowns come out clean. Ask the drycleaners what day(s) they change the solution. Really big reputable drycleaners > usually change the soultion once a week, sometimes twice a week. Ask to have your dress/outfit clenaed on that day, > even if it means waiting a week or so. He would always save any wedding dresses or special requests for the first runs > through the "new" solution. If they don't know when the soulution gets changed...go someplace else! It probably hasn't > been changed in a really long time. > > Crissy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 21:26:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1PxV5025130 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1OtdD019188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1OsGi014775; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1OpGi014742 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p89-nas15.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.217] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19peBy-00025v-00; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:24:47 +1200 Message-ID: <00e901c36782$ff2fadb0$d9ceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030820073233.71040.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:24:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ugh, dear, you don't wnat to wear silk next to your body, it gets slimy with > the body heat/sweat. Bleuch! ;-) This is true, but would you wear all that black silk next to your skin and wind up purple too;)?Is it lined? So it was a typo then;)? Never mind I have found two other instances of silk on silk blackwork so that's fun:) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 21:33:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1XfV5025144 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1X8dD019474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1X7Gi018496; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L1X4Gi018479 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-005-099.jps.net ([216.119.5.99] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19peJz-0000UI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c36784$612ba4a0$630577d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c35f6e$7fe289e0$9c0b77d8@pavilion> <010501c361cc$52829ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the compliment Bjarne, I just noticed it now. I've had far too many emails from computer users lists for awhile while I have been learning web design. It's been a real learning curve the web stuff, but I have finally unsubscribed to one webdesign list so hopefully I can start sewing again myself and concentrate more on why I bothered to learn webdesign in the first place, for COSTUMING!!!!!! Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ever so tired of sitting in front of the computer instead of the sewing machine!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view > Dear Lisa. > Congratulations with your new site. It looks great! > How wonderfull there is a place where you can buy poking sticks for ruffs > :-) > I think there has ben a wonderfull progress in authentic things to get the > last 10 years, what will it all end up with? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Sinervo" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Thrednedle Strete Site pre-view > > > Well, my site has been online and in pre-view mode for a few weeks now but I > haven't mentioned it as there are still things I'd like to add before I > consider website release 1.0 complete. For anyone who wants to have a peek > the address is www.ThrednedleStrete.com and when it's been tweaked a bit > more and filled in I'll put another announcement out. You will find now a > downloadable copy of Stubbes - Anatomy of Abuses and quite a few > proclamations relating to the English clothing industry plus some period > buttons and tools. I'm also working on getting some software set up to > support "shareware" patterns, with downloads, photos and a "review this > pattern" mechanism for anyone who might want to participate. It's going to > be a fun rather than money making enterprise but set up like a professional > web store. Patterns will be via pdf printouts. I'll be charging for the > bandwidth to support this, but patterns can be shared with anyone you like. > The designer who contributed the pattern will have an option of requesting > payment if the user finds it useful. Don't know if any one ever receives > money from shareware stuff, but I'll provide some more details later as I > work out a few procedures. > > Cheers, > > Lisa Sinervo > Thrednedle Strete Clothiers > www.ThrednedleStrete.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 22:03:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L236V5025190 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L22SdD020544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L22QIS001977; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L22OIS001954 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:00:13 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A7AD30C100F6; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:00:13 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:00:13 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c36788$19142670$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200308201808.52835.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Those paper collars were for single men unfortunate enough to have no servants to do their laundry. They were definitely second-best. ******************* Somebody who specializes in the 20s should check me on this, but my recollection is that it was common for men's shirts in that period to have disposable collars that really *were* made out of heavy paper. If I'm right, you might be able to find a company catering to reenactors that sells them. In fact, now as I think of it, Amazon Drygoods sells them. http://www.victoriana.com/amazon/ They don't have an on line catalog but the website tells you where to get a paper catalog from them. -- Cathy Raymond "No man is rich enough to buy back his past." Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 22:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2ZkV5025240 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2ZEdD021949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2ZDIS017257; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2Z8IS017225 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-207-103-170.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.103.170]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1F52F9AB for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:35:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000401c36788$19142670$0201a8c0@kimathlon> Message-Id: <138BEFDA-D380-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, I wanted to avoid real paper collars, since those seemed really uncomfortable, and I'd like to encourage my boyfriend to dress up again! On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 07:01 PM, Kim Baird wrote: > Those paper collars were for single men unfortunate enough to have no > servants to do their laundry. They were definitely second-best. > ******************* > > Somebody who specializes in the 20s should check me on this, but my > recollection is that it was common for men's shirts in that period to > have > disposable collars that really *were* made out of heavy paper. If I'm > right, > you might be able to find a company catering to reenactors that sells > them. > > In fact, now as I think of it, Amazon Drygoods sells them. > > http://www.victoriana.com/amazon/ > > They don't have an on line catalog but the website tells you where to > get a > paper catalog from them. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "No man is rich enough to buy back his > past." Oscar Wilde > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 22:37:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2bRV5025247 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2b2dD022024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2b1IS018026; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L2avIT017963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty1175.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.175]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h7L2anDY021097 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:36:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3F442EEE.1020701@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:10 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- help! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Robin, Sharpies are alcohol-based. I have had good luck in getting out sharpie with just rubbing alcohol (although the drinkable stuff will do, too ;) ). You need to get the area doused pretty well, and blot it away. Keep pouring the alcohol on and blot. Alcohol, being able to be combined with water, will be able to be washed out later, but don't be shy about using a whole bottle, if you need to. PS, do it soon, before the ink sets. The blotting will get the ink out, and help to prevent the ring that forms around the wet area. Once most of it is out, and the alcohol is still wet, then go to the water, then soap. Good Luck, Mike T. Robin Netherton wrote: >Oh, I am SO upset. I was wearing my absolute favorite all-purpose denim >dress -- the one that goes anywhere and always looks right and feels >comfortable -- and I dropped a black Sharpie laundry marker in my lap. I >now have a black spot about the size of a hole-punch over my left thigh. >It's not in a place where I could add a creative applique, but it's not >exactly hidden either :-P > >I can think of a lot of cleaning solutions I could try, but I'd rather go >with experience. Has anyone ever successfully removed Sharpie marker from >denim (or another fabric)? Has anyone ever tried and failed (and thus can >save me the trouble of trying, if it's doomed)? > >I really don't want to try remaking this dress. It was store-bought and >has all the double-topstitching you normally get with denim, and buttons >all the way down the side. And it fits perfectly -- something that NEVER >happens. Bleah. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 20 23:38:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L3cVV5025329 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L3bwdD024543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L3buTo013560; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L3bOTt013258 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp456786pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net[68.51.39.237](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003082103344801100qf2rue>; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:34:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:32:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Allison To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308202125.h7KLOwKo006516@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <27C75354-D388-11D7-8325-000393D446D6@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [h-cost] ...they don't have to fit PERFECTLY!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ***Rant Warning*** On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Cat wrote: >> It is a very lonely work to make >> costumes because not many apreciates the work you do. > > "Yeah, and you don't have to do any fancy lighting or anything, just > some general > illumination will do. Oh, and the actors don't really need to learn > their > lines. Just so they say something sorta like what Shakespeare meant. > And we really > don't need a set at all. And..." AMEN!!! As a costumer, an actor and now also a director, that guy's comments just make me furious. If he's gonna take that attitude, then why bother?! That's one reason I'm glad I sew - many times I've taken my costumes home with me and tweaked them till they fit correctly - otherwise I'd be more concerned about looking like a doofus up on stage, and therefore unable to give my best performance. Do you think your director would've been okay with a sort-of performance? I mean, gosh - with only a few weeks of rehearsal he certainly couldn't expect perfection... Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 00:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L47lV5025401 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L47MdD026014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L47IMo026113; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.donet.com (mail.donet.com [64.56.96.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L47FMp026067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26999 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 04:07:10 -0000 X-Sender: mjh@pearlandplume.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?65.24.125.110?) (65.24.125.110) by mail.donet.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 04:07:10 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:06:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] an enquiry to Kyoto? From: Marsha J Hamilton To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c36731$178079a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've requested study print photos from U.S. museums before and they weren't overly expensive (about $20.) The problem is they are black and white. Let us know what you find out if you contact Kyoto. The stomacher embroidery is exquisite. Marsha ------- on 8/20/03 11:38 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews at drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > Hi the list. > I am sure there are some of you who have tryed this before, therefore i ask > you. > In the Kyoto book, there is the most wonderfull embroidered white skirt. I > think it is made of linen. It is the one where the dummy is dressed with a > small jacket two and a very beautifull hat. The skirt has polycrome flowers > in a wreath all way round. > I was thinking about contakting Kyoto museum to ask if i could buy a photo > where all the repeated pattern is shown. > Do you think the museum do such things? I am aware that it costs quite a bit > to buy a photo, but i really would love it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 00:44:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L4iXV5025445 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L4hxdD027903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L4htMo011642; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L4hpMo011612 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-007neomahp209.dialsprint.net ([63.178.246.121] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19phIb-0000LZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:43:50 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030820232541.03bcae48@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:30:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200308201708.h7KH8uMr029244@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Suspenders X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Earlier this year (April) we bought a pair of suspenders at JCPenney, as DH needed them for a new outfit. They were the standard elastic type, but the neat thing was they had both button and clip ends - interchangeable!! The button ends were leather. So, you could go look at your local JCP and cannibalize the bits for a pair of fabric/webbing suspenders. They even came with the buttons (yea, plastic ones, but who's to know on the inside of the pants??) HTH, Sandy >From: Heather Meadows >Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories > >Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, >but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. >Anyone made these? > >thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! > >heather. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 01:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L57oV5025477 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L57MdD028632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L57KED021045; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L57GED021010 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23092 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:35:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:35:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- success! In-Reply-To: <3F442EEE.1020701@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to Mike and all the others who pointed me toward blotting the marker stain with alcohol. It only took about 10 minutes of blotting to reduce the mark enough that it doesn't show. It's till there (obvious on the back) but the front of the fabric is a dark denim with a lot of variegation, so what remains of the spot looks like part of the fabric now. I really appreciate having such a group of experts to call on! OBCostume: I will no doubt get Sharpie on one of my historicals someday. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 01:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L5WxV5025549 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L5W9dD029322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L5W7ED000993; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L5W5ED000971 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-39-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.39.57])h7L5W1oP001570 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030820222752.05973ae0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:28:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suspenders In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030820232541.03bcae48@radiks.net> References: <200308201708.h7KH8uMr029244@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Earlier this year (April) we bought a pair of suspenders at JCPenney, as >DH needed them for a new outfit. They were the standard elastic type, but >the neat thing was they had both button and clip ends - >interchangeable!! The button ends were leather. So, you could go look at >your local JCP and cannibalize the bits for a pair of fabric/webbing >suspenders. They even came with the buttons (yea, plastic ones, but who's >to know on the inside of the pants??) > >HTH, > >Sandy > >>From: Heather Meadows >>Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories >> >>Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, >>but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. >>Anyone made these? >> >>thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! Gee - I just go to the thrift store and buy old suspenders. Within a month my favorite one will have any color I am looking for, if I check every few days. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 03:16:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7GLV5021874 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7FRdD002786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7FPgh009951; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7L7FMgh009917 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030821071517.17148.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:15:17 BST Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:15:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00e901c36782$ff2fadb0$d9ceadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > Ugh, dear, you don't wnat to wear silk next to your body, it gets slimy > with > > the body heat/sweat. Bleuch! ;-) > > This is true, but would you wear all that black silk next to your skin and > wind up purple too;)?Is it lined? > > So it was a typo then;)? Eh???? I am totally confused. I thought you said hooray for finding something like a silk chemise, so I said no, even if, that would be horrible. I never wear silk directly on my skin. So, what was it you were talking about? Apparently I misunderstood? And you misunderstood too? N. ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 03:59:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7xoV5007579 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:59:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7xEdD003670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7xDsZ023039; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7L7wvsZ022944 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7L7x9f00769.; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:59:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:58:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:58:15 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And of course they were separate so they could be heavily starched, and ironed without any buttons getting in the way, hence the need for collar-studs to attach them to the neckband. I remember my father wearing collars of this kind in the 1950s. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> kbaird@cableone.net 08/20/03 06:38pm >>> I don't know the details, but I think those extremely stiff collars, like old fashioned nurse's caps, were actaully dipped in starch (or starch water). Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Heather Meadows Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories Hi all -- I'm getting my boyfriend ready to go to the Gatsby picnic, and I wanted to take the cute stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much spiffier white rounded collar on it. Now, I have no problems drafting the collar and getting it to work -- but I have no idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. I have a few vintage shirts, and even though they are not starched at all, the collars and cuffs have this papery feel. Any idea how this was done? I really don't want to rip them apart. Also - I was planning on making him some suspenders, but I can't seem to find any "findings" for button on suspenders. Anyone made these? thanks for your help! Menswear is hard! :) .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 06:45:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LAjxV5030803 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LAj7dD008065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LAj3xm010236; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta2.adelphia.net (mta2.adelphia.net [68.168.78.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LAixxm010121 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adelphia.net ([24.55.189.230]) by mta2.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030821104454.WUEN1346.mta2.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:44:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:44:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Links on Drea's sight... a forward Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: rob and laurie gage To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308201708.h7KH8uMr029244@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <7F5A022E-D3C4-11D7-9C5B-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the reply, Drea. I'll forward this back to him. Laurie On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 01:08 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: Drea Leed > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Links on Drea's sight... a forward > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20030820083745.G43227-100000@shell.siscom.net> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Dan, > > I just checked my smock generator site, and it worked OK for me...what > measurements did you put in? > > As for my email address, when you click on the link, a java script > opens > up a mail window to email me. I did this instead of straight mailto > links, due to the 200+ a day plague of spam that having my email > address > on my site caused. I've tested this email functionality for netscape > and > IE on both PC and mac, and it's been coming up ok for me. Do you have > javascript disabled on your browser? What browser version and > platform do > you use? > > Thanks, > > Drea > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 07:42:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LBgcV5030900 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LBendD009511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LBelEQ029806; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LBejEQ029788 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p733-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.225] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19pno2-0000OF-00; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:40:42 +1200 Message-ID: <000901c367d9$09664f90$e1c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030821071517.17148.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:40:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Eh???? I am totally confused. I thought you said hooray for finding something > like a silk chemise, so I said no, even if, that would be horrible. I never > wear silk directly on my skin. > So, what was it you were talking about? > Apparently I misunderstood? And you misunderstood too? no... I thought you were being cryptic or making amore subtle "doh" for your reply. What I was specifically after is blackwork on silk. And the notes on Drea's page suggested that the shift was silk.. and then it didn't. So I was't after a silk shift, just blackwork on silk. Then you mentioned silk next to the skin, and me thinking this was about the shift specifically figured: a) it wasn't silk as you've just uploaded piccies of it so must have seen it in person, and this was a way of saying no way dude. Which led to a different, but along the same lines thought of b) that the thing would either be lined or a real serviceable shift worn underneath this to prevent all that black silk from staining the skin. Which would also mean it could have been made from silk and you still wouldn't have a silk layer against your skin. It's certainly not a practical garment in terms of being a shift at all with all that embroidery. Imagine washing it... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 09:06:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LD6RV5030998 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LD5LdD012590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LD5K3U004424; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LD5H3U004379 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1c0.dfc303d (30970) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.dfc303d.2c761d82@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- success! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/21/2003 1:10:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > OBCostume: I will no doubt get Sharpie on one of my historicals someday. > > Well, you don't have as much reason to hold a Sharpie in your lap in a historical, so maybe not. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 09:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDgYV5031074 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:42:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDfwdD013964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDfu3U021738; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDfr3U021704 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-004-136.jps.net ([216.119.4.136] helo=pavilion) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19pphI-0003Bo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:41:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c367ea$330e76e0$880477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:43:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Commercial Elizabethan Embroidery link offer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7LDgYV5031074 Status: RO I am about to work on a brief overview (an it will be brief at this point) of an embroiderer's shop for my site. What I would like to do is explain a bit about 16th century artificers (embroiderers) then list some modern artificers who do similar work. As my site is about the clothing industry, I'd rather the modern embroiders be people who embroider for pay also. So if you are someone who takes commissions for embroidery work by hand, Elizabethan style and would like to have a link to your site (preferred) or email address if you have no website, please drop me an email at Lisa@ThrednedleStrete.com so I can include you and your work. Thanks bunches, Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 10:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LE0oV5031140 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:00:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDxrdD014877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDxo0A001705; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LDxl0A001603 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:59:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fenris.net (12-246-237-231.client.attbi.com[12.246.237.231](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003082113572501400cv5lbe>; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:57:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3F44CFC3.6080902@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:57:23 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's - 1930's accessories References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think my father's WWII uniform (RCAF) had detachable collars also. liz young Kate M Bunting wrote: >And of course they were separate so they could be heavily starched, and >ironed without any buttons getting in the way, hence the need for >collar-studs to attach them to the neckband. I remember my father >wearing collars of this kind in the 1950s. > > >-----Original Message----- > >On Behalf Of Heather Meadows >I wanted to take the cute >stripey shirt he found at Goodwill and put a much >spiffier white rounded collar on it. > > >I have no >idea how to achieve that stiff collar feel of the period. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 11:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF2FV5031837 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF1YdD019166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF0oWn013937; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7LF0eWn013694 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Osp2IpMSPgxyl/WKzHqpC2Q=">; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:59:42 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H747CL7F; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:59:42 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:27:03 -0700 Message-ID: <20030821.075853.1636.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: [h-cost] How to dye with walnuts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings. Anyone here know how to dye with black walnuts? And would they mind if I forwarded their info to my local SCA list? Thanks, Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 11:03:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF3bV5031841 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF2SdD019267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LF2NWn015207; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7LF20Wn014936 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030821150200.54869.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.157] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:02:00 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Kessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] new magazine To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <19b.18b567cd.2c5d6a28@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julia- I never got my issue of your new magazine. I delayed beyond your suggestion of contacting you a couple of weeks ago because I moved yesterday. Could you please send an issue to my new address: Angela Kessler 96 Oxford Street Somerville, MA 02143 Please add me to whatever list you may have for any follow-up materials, as well. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the magazine. Thank you, Angela --- JAzo478796@aol.com wrote: > I got my issues of Vintage Fashion on the 23rd; > someone just emailed me that > she had gotten her copy (and was really pleased!) so > you should all be > receiving your's in the mail, too. > I very carefully added all of your names and > addresses to our mailing list - > whichever ones I had. Please give it a a few more > days. I suppose there's > always a chance that someone slipped through the > cracks and I don't want that to > happen - so if you haven't received your issue in > the mail by the end of the > week, please let me know and I'll have one sent out > to you straight from the > publishing office. > Best, Julia > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 13:53:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LHr4V5032183 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LHqHdD003878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LHqFmT008677; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LHqAmT008602 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26927 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:19:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:19:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- success! In-Reply-To: <1c0.dfc303d.2c761d82@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Well, you don't have as much reason to hold a Sharpie in your lap in a > historical, so maybe not. Yeah, it'll more likely be a Dry-Erase or a transparency pen. (I wear my historicals for lecturing.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 15:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ7mV5032420 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ75dD009946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ6sep008802; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ6oep008698 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-124-39-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.39.57]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7LJ6gOD005105 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030821114032.00e45be0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:47:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to dye with walnuts In-Reply-To: <20030821.075853.1636.1.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Greetings. Anyone here know how to dye with black walnuts? And would they >mind if I forwarded their info to my local SCA list? Start with whole un-husked ones right off the tree. Dump them in a pot of water and boil them till the liquid part looks like coffee. Take the husks out at this point, strain the liquid, and you have dye. I've done this once, and you'll have to experiment with every other aspect of the dying. I don't know if the shells do any good as a dyestuff, but the husks will dye anything porous, including your wooden stirring stick and your hands. Also, walnut husks are very very acidic, so the dye will eventually destroy whatever you dye with them. This may take years, but it will happen. (I've seen manuscripts with letters missing, as in, letter-shaped holes in the pages, and I think it was from walnut husk ink.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 15:10:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJATV5032433 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ9xdD010148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ9wep011307; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-dav146.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LJ9qep011136 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:09:47 -0700 Received: from 67.112.42.42 by bay4-dav146.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:09:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.112.42.42] X-Originating-Email: [ysandra8@msn.com] From: "ysandra sliverneedle" To: References: <200308211801.h7LI0mof015797@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:09:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2003 19:09:47.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[C993D0B0:01C36817] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] black walnut dye book sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7LJATV5032433 Status: RO I have not done any dying but have resources from my weaving which my have the information that you want. Navajo Native Dyes- Their preparation and use Nonabah G. Bryan ISBN 0=910584-57-5 "wild walnut" The Dye-Pot Mary Frances Davidson Route 1, Gatlinburg, Tenn. 37737 published by author Black and white walnut information (try Robin And Russ in Mcminnville, Orgeon they have weaving books, and have many sources and are FRIENDLY folks to deal with) Create Your Own Natural Dyes Kathleen Schultz ISBN 0-8069-7576-8 A Weaver's Garden Growing Plants for Natural Dyes and fibers Rita Buchanan ISBN 0-486-40712-8 (pbk.) A Dyers Garden >From Plant to Pot Growing Dyes for Natural Fibers Rita Buchanan ISBN 1-883010-07-1 (pbk.) has resources for obtaining products to make dye. Also check local library for additional books "with how to" information Interweaver Press is also a good book source. If they can't find these books, please let me know off list and I will see what I can do about getting the information to them. Hope that this helps some Ysandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 16:50:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LKoRV5032607 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:50:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LKlGdD018452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LKlAPi001085; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f89.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LKl7Pi000992 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:47:02 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:47:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sharpie marker -- question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:47:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2003 20:47:02.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F83AED0:01C36825] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Hi, All. Robin, Sharpies are alcohol-based. I have had good luck in getting >out sharpie with just rubbing alcohol (although the drinkable stuff will >do, too ;) ). You need to get the area doused pretty well, and blot it >away. Keep pouring the alcohol on and blot. Alcohol, being able to be >combined with water, will be able to be washed out later, but don't be shy >about using a whole bottle, if you need to. PS, do it soon, before the ink >sets. The blotting will get the ink out, and help to prevent the ring that >forms around the wet area. Once most of it is out, and the alcohol is still >wet, then go to the water, then soap. Good Luck, Mike T. > If alcohol will remove sharpie, will it also bleed it? Years ago I used sharpie to do lines on a Tshirt I painted. After a while the sharpie lines that were not covered by paint began to bleed. That time it bothered me. This year I'm doing "Bride of the Mummy" for halloween and used a sharpie to draw bandages wrapped around a white dress. I used tea to make the whole thing look dirty then washed it with extra soap and my sharpie lines still wont bleed. I wanted the same effect as the shirt to soften the edges of my "bandages" it's historic...really. TIA Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 19:22:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LNMEV5000447 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:22:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LNLVdD000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LNLTH3003279; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7LNLPH3003198 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pcez.com (pdx-ppp489.pop1.net [209.102.126.89]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA15518 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:21:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host pdx-ppp489.pop1.net [209.102.126.89] claimed to be pcez.com Message-ID: <3F4553D3.3070404@pcez.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:20:51 -0700 From: Roscelin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [2] Applique documentation? References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > -snip- > > If you or anyone has information about whether paper or parchment > underlay was used, however, I'd like to hear about it. I know such > support was used behind fabric that was going to be heavily beaded, > and it seems logical that such a backing would also stiffen and > stabilize any appliques that were cut from light or very smooth > fabric. I've used the technique with cotton broadcloth and it helps > quite a lot. In most cases the motif is simply basted onto the paper > with edges turned under, and when the applique stitching is done, the > backing fabric can be slit and the paper removed. Chris, If I may I would love any info you have about using paper behind heavly beaded pieces. I've been working on a project over and over re-do for the past several years trying to get all of the beads to lay flat. The piece is a heraldic device of my boyfriend's that I have placed on an old black velvet tabard (best way to describe it at this moment). I've used layers of heavy linen, but no such luck, so I need to do it over once again. I'm trying to perfect it for a heraldic needlework competition that is held here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom). I've already have entered it 2 or 3 times, yes, you can say I'm a bit of a perfectionist at times - I understand it goes with being ADHD. :) Thank you for any info. And thank you to everyone else about the applique documentation since that is one of my other interests. Roscelin/Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 21 23:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M3QXV5000975 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:26:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M3PEdD012321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M3MSiX001523; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M3MPiX001502 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-66-81-240-50.rev.o1.com ([66.81.240.50]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19q2VM-0000xG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:22:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F4553D3.3070404@pcez.com> References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> <3F4553D3.3070404@pcez.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:17:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] [2] Applique documentation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 4:20 PM -0700 8/21/03, Roscelin wrote: >Chris Laning wrote: > >>-snip- >> >>If you or anyone has information about whether paper or parchment >>underlay was used, however, I'd like to hear about it. I know such >>support was used behind fabric that was going to be heavily beaded, >>and it seems logical that such a backing would also stiffen and >>stabilize any appliques that were cut from light or very smooth >>fabric. I've used the technique with cotton broadcloth and it helps >>quite a lot. In most cases the motif is simply basted onto the >>paper with edges turned under, and when the applique stitching is >>done, the backing fabric can be slit and the paper removed. > >Chris, > If I may I would love any info you have about using paper behind >heavly beaded pieces. I've been working on a project over and over >re-do for the past several years trying to get all of the beads to >lay flat. The piece is a heraldic device of my boyfriend's that I >have placed on an old black velvet tabard (best way to describe it >at this moment). I've used layers of heavy linen, but no such luck, >so I need to do it over once again. I'm trying to perfect it for a >heraldic needlework competition that is held here in AnTir (SCA >Kingdom). I've already have entered it 2 or 3 times, yes, you can >say I'm a bit of a perfectionist at times - I understand it goes >with being ADHD. :) > Thank you for any info. And thank you to everyone else about the >applique documentation since that is one of my other interests. > >Roscelin/Rose Ah-HA! I was going to refer you to my Laurel, Baroness Tangwystyl, since that's who I heard it from -- she used a piece of fairly stiff parchment to back a beaded hat medallion worked on silk, and found it worked very well. Then I realized that her source for this might have actually been something I showed her. In the Abegg Institute's huge and wonderful book _Textile Conservation and Research_, they discuss repairing an antependium (altar hanging) in gold embroidery from the 14th century. The crowned Madonna on the hanging holds an "apple" in her hand which is solidly beaded with coral beads. The photo of it from the back (like the rest of the embroidery it was removed for cleaning) clearly shows a backing that looks and behaves like parchment (it retains some empty needleholes, it's the right color & thickness, etc.) Then I went looking and found that Schuette and Christensen's book (I have a French version) shows beadwork in their item #180, a fragment of another antependium, also 14th century and from Marienwerder. The description clearly says the figures are backed with parchment. The next item, which is color plate VIII, is also beadwork (the antependium from Halberstadt, 2nd half of the 13th century) and clearly says "Broderie de perles sur support de parchemin et de toile." ("The bead embroidery is supported by parchment and canvas.") -- _________________________________________________________ O (Lady) Christian de Holacombe | Chris Laning + Shire of Windy Meads - Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 00:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M4GjV5001057 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:16:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M4FvdD014430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M4FuAv025121; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M4FqAw025092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7M4GBXM002877 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:16:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7M4GB7v002875 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:16:11 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] black walnut dye book sources Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:16:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200308211801.h7LI0mof015797@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308220016.10798.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7M4FqAw025092 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 21 August 2003 03:09 pm, ysandra sliverneedle wrote: > I have not done any dying but have resources from my weaving which my have > the information that you want. [snip] In addition to the books Ysandra listed, the following book has an assortment of recipes for dyeing natural fibers black, one of which is a black walnut recipe: The Art and Craft of Natural Dyeing: Traditional Recipes for Modern Use J.N. Liles (University of Tennessee Press/Knoxville 2d printing 1993) ISBN: 0-87049-670-0 (paperbound) ISBN: 0-87049-669-7 (clothbound) In the introduction, Mr. Liles explains that he got interested in natural dyeing when he became involved ina historical reenactment focused on the period from 1769-1800 in eastern Tennessee. His book is the most educational book I've found yet, both about the nuts and bolts of dyeing and about the history of dyeing. -- Cathy Raymond “No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 01:14:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5EfV5001180 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:14:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5E5dD016771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5E3eX018272; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7M5E1eX018225 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpzsXOsXRnC4uDERrHp/B/I=">; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:13:19 PDT Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H76P7MRM; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:13:19 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:00:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] black walnut dye book sources Message-ID: <20030821.221220.1656.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, everyone, for your help. :-) Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 01:32:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5W1V5001228 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5VPdD017307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5VOeX024893; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M5VLeX024882 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-007neomahp007.dialsprint.net ([63.178.246.15] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19q4W8-0004j5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:31:21 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030822002743.01bbb718@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:30:50 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200308211800.h7LI0moe015797@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Suspenders X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Must be the locale - they almost never turn up here. We've only found one pair in many years of scrounging. Pierre and Sandy P.S. Hi, Kayta!! >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Gee - I just go to the thrift store and buy old suspenders. Within a month >my favorite one will have any color I am looking for, if I check every few >days. > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 09:29:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MDTTV5006931 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MDR7dD002524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MDR555019861; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7MDQw55019808 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:26:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030822132658.95130.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.242.152.154] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:26:58 BST Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:26:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Catalina=20Sanabria=20Rosado?= To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Princess Marie of Portugal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know of an online picture of Princess Marie of Portugal? I found a reference to it while I was researching Spanish cauls, but I don't know if it still exists or where it is located. thanks, Catalina ===== ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ME83V5007006 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:08:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ME7PdD004502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ME7LUv009814; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hiram.io.com (root@hiram.io.com [199.170.88.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ME7IUv009784 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.io.com (IDENT:A3Or9cPETcDO0o0q/lt1HOXrRPvPSBeN@columbia.io.com [199.170.88.107]) by hiram.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7ME6oL07409 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:06:50 -0500 Received: from io.com (webmail [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7ME8Xu6030068 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:33 -0500 Received: from 199.50.29.42 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <10846.199.50.29.42.1061561313.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Marie of Portugal From: "Chiara" To: In-Reply-To: <20030822132658.95130.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030822132658.95130.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try these. I think I may have some jewelry books that have her in them. I do not know why her name rings a bell but it does. I remember trying to look her up last year for some reason. I think it had to do with some gloves. (...thinking...) I will not be at the Glaslyn event this weekend. A very close friend's mother died at midnight and we are waiting for the furneral times. For a man that is nearly 7 foot tall, it is true what they say, the bigger they are .... he needs us very much. We need to be there. Call me tonight Catalina if you want, I might be able to come over with my books and we can go through them to look for her if you like or you can come over. I do not think we will leave tonight. Chiara http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-109.jpg http://www.yarranet.net.au/aceweb/eliteracies/spain/alcobaca1.JPG http://www.britishmint.com/gold_coin_queen_portugal.jpg http://www.info-regenten.de/regent/regent-d/pictures/portugal-maria1.jpg http://www.info-regenten.de/regent/regent-d/pictures/portugal-maria2.jpg http://www.reallisboa.pt/d_000/006/b_006.gif http://www.reallisboa.pt/d_000/010/b_010.jpg > Does anyone know of an online picture of Princess > Marie of Portugal? I found a reference to it while I > was researching Spanish cauls, but I don't know if it > still exists or where it is located. > > thanks, > Catalina > > ===== > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 11:57:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MFvcV5008883 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:57:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MFt2dD012828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MFsxmC024645; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MFsumC024587 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314A136A0B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19qEFa-0001Sn-00 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:54 -0400 To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:54 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Subject: [h-cost] new Elizabethan costume website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm pleased to announce my new website, which is a searchable database of Elizabethan costume images. The URL is: http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/ Features: * 60 (and growing) images of Elizabethan people of all classes, genders and ages * Breakdown by decade, gender and social class * You can write reviews/analyses of each costume * Fully searchable by image metadata or review text * View recent uploads and reviews I hope this will be useful to some of you - I think the lady who was asking about 1588 costume the other day may find it of some use! Yours, Kirrily/Katherine -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@elizabethangeek.com http://elizabethangeek.com/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 12:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MG8TV5008907 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:08:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MG6ddD013991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MG6b85004089; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MG6V85003950 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qEQo-0000zW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:06:30 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new Elizabethan costume website Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:06:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c368c7$5d3d60b0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool search function! Nicely laid out too! Love the site name... :) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kirrily Robert Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new Elizabethan costume website _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 14:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MICjV5009301 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:12:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MIB8dD023954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MIB51r012727; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7MIB31r012691 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030822181102.89300.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.157] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:11:02 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Kessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] new magazine-BELATED OOPS To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030821150200.54869.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This message was meant to be sent to her privately, but I was for once in too much of a rush to double-check who the "reply" was going to, or to read the H-Cost messages in my inbox to even notice that I got it back myself! Sorry, Angela --- Angela Kessler wrote: > Julia- > I never got my issue of your new magazine. I > delayed > beyond your suggestion of contacting you a couple of > weeks ago because I moved yesterday. Could you > please > send an issue to my new address: > > Angela Kessler > 96 Oxford Street > Somerville, MA 02143 > > Please add me to whatever list you may have for any > follow-up materials, as well. I'm very much looking > forward to seeing the magazine. > > Thank you, > Angela > > > --- JAzo478796@aol.com wrote: > > I got my issues of Vintage Fashion on the 23rd; > > someone just emailed me that > > she had gotten her copy (and was really pleased!) > so > > you should all be > > receiving your's in the mail, too. > > I very carefully added all of your names and > > addresses to our mailing list - > > whichever ones I had. Please give it a a few more > > days. I suppose there's > > always a chance that someone slipped through the > > cracks and I don't want that to > > happen - so if you haven't received your issue in > > the mail by the end of the > > week, please let me know and I'll have one sent > out > > to you straight from the > > publishing office. > > Best, Julia > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 15:18:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJIxV5009564 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:18:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJHrdD028430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJHrJc001925; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJGZJe001051 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb136.cvip.net [129.8.204.136]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HK100I1WC7K7V@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:01:58 -0700 From: Kimiko Small X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested Subject: [h-cost] slops and canions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A different question, since my husband is also in court during the 1588 time period. At the new costume review site there is an image of Sir Christopher Hatten http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=11 He is wearing "matching slops and canions". While I have seen this in portraits, how would one go about recreating this look in real working costume? Are they sewn together, or two separate items joined together somewhere? The slops seem rather short, barely hanging over the hips/crotch area. And it is interesting to see the stockings go over the knee and the canions. Since only one knee is gartered, how does the other stocking stay up? Any ideas? My husband is going to hate me, but if it is appropriate, he may as well be dressed properly. Thanks for any help on this. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 15:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJJTV5009587 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJGgdD028384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJGcJc001078; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJGZJc001051 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb136.cvip.net [129.8.204.136]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HK100I1WC7K7V@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:51 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Elizabethan costume website In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115352.02d52420@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:54 AM 8/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I hope this will be useful to some of you - I think the lady who was >asking about 1588 costume the other day may find it of some use! I was that lady looking for 1588 fashions. This is a wonderful site, thank you. It helps to see the fashion broken down by the years. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 15:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJrAV5009783 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:53:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJq0dD000881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7MJpuJc005931; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7MJprJc005893 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030822195153.63973.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.242.152.154] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:51:53 BST Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:51:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Catalina=20Sanabria=20Rosado?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: philipwhite@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I remeber correctly from a class I attended on men's garments, they are seperate garments that can be attached by laces hidden under the facings. --- Kimiko Small wrote: > A different question, since my husband is also in > court during the 1588 > time period. At the new costume review site there is > an image of Sir > Christopher Hatten > http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=11 > > He is wearing "matching slops and canions". While I > have seen this in > portraits, how would one go about recreating this > look in real working > costume? Are they sewn together, or two separate > items joined together > somewhere? The slops seem rather short, barely > hanging over the hips/crotch > area. > > And it is interesting to see the stockings go over > the knee and the > canions. Since only one knee is gartered, how does > the other stocking stay > up? Any ideas? > > My husband is going to hate me, but if it is > appropriate, he may as well be > dressed properly. Thanks for any help on this. > > Kimiko > Kimiko Small > Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and > Mother > kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. > Lowell > > Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery > http://www.costumegallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 22 21:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7N1nXV5010847 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7N1mZdD023856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7N1mV4M021775; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7N1mT4M021751 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-17-66.o1.jps.net ([216.119.17.66] helo=pavilion) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qNVz-0004Ff-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:48:28 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c36918$ddcc6f40$421177d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:49:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko wrote: > > He is wearing "matching slops and canions". While I have seen this in > portraits, how would one go about recreating this look in real working > costume? Are they sewn together, or two separate items joined together > somewhere? The slops seem rather short, barely hanging over the hips/crotch > area. > > And it is interesting to see the stockings go over the knee and the > canions. Since only one knee is gartered, how does the other stocking stay > up? Any ideas? > Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion describes the trunk hose/canion construction for Sir Richard Cott's extant garment as follows: "The full gathered trunk-hose were made of a layer of satin and blue silk worked as one layer, slashed and pinked, then laid over a layer of fine white silk which has almost disintegrated. Beneath this is a layer of white wool, open weave and springy in texture, cut to the same shope, which provides the padding. All these layers are gathered in cartidge pleats at top and legs to fit waistband and canions. A smaller white fustian lining, which reaches the op of the waistband, is stitched inside. This helps hold the fullness in position, standing out over the canions. The fly front fastens with buttons and worked buttonholes." A pattern is also provided. Of course there may be other examples of tie-on Canions too, I don't know enough about the period to comment. from H.R. Mores' glossary from Elizabethan Pageanty (webbed and now found http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/Glossary.htm - illustrations to be added this weekend ) CANIONS: In describing the various fashions in men's breeches, under "French Hose" Stubbes says "..whereof some be paned, cut and drawne out with costly ornaments, with Canions annexed reaching down beneath the knees." (Anatomy of Abuses-Philip Stubbes) In studying contemporary portraits and following Stubbes' description it will be noted in many instances that men are wearing short trunks adjoining which are tubular continuations, or swathings of contrasting material, silk or velvet, plain, brocaded or embroidered. The stockings are tucked under, or rolled up over these canions. (His poignard) ".cut mee a payre of very imperiall cloth of golde hose, at least thus long thwart the cannon." (Deckker, Patient Grissil, 1603) "Cannions of breeches, because they are like cannons of artillery or cans or pots." (Minsheu, Guide unto tongues, 1617) Hope this helps. Don't know about the hose but I'll keep my eye out for info! Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 13:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NH5fV5017403 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NH4VdD027503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NH4QMs013740; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NH4NMs013716 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7NH4MIf001446 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.79] (tnt-1-143.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.197.79]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NH48X8001259 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200308121316.h7CDGT8U014511@net.indra.com> <001801c360ea$d12236c0$5707d1d8@lgsteph> <3F4553D3.3070404@pcez.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:30:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] [2] Applique documentation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:17 PM -0700 8/21/03, Chris Laning wrote: >At 4:20 PM -0700 8/21/03, Roscelin wrote: >> If I may I would love any info you have about using paper behind >>heavly beaded pieces. I've been working on a project over and >>over re-do for the past several years trying to get all of the >>beads to lay flat. The piece is a heraldic device of my >>boyfriend's that I have placed on an old black velvet tabard (best >>way to describe it at this moment). I've used layers of heavy >>linen, but no such luck, so I need to do it over once again. I'm >>trying to perfect it for a heraldic needlework competition that is >>held here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom). I've already have entered it 2 >>or 3 times, yes, you can say I'm a bit of a perfectionist at times >>- I understand it goes with being ADHD. :) >> Thank you for any info. And thank you to everyone else about >>the applique documentation since that is one of my other interests. >> >>Roscelin/Rose > >Ah-HA! I was going to refer you to my Laurel, Baroness Tangwystyl, >since that's who I heard it from -- she used a piece of fairly stiff >parchment to back a beaded hat medallion worked on silk, and found >it worked very well. Then I realized that her source for this might >have actually been something I showed her. > >In the Abegg Institute's huge and wonderful book _Textile >Conservation and Research_, they discuss repairing an antependium >(altar hanging) in gold embroidery from the 14th century. The >crowned Madonna on the hanging holds an "apple" in her hand which is >solidly beaded with coral beads. The photo of it from the back (like >the rest of the embroidery it was removed for cleaning) clearly >shows a backing that looks and behaves like parchment (it retains >some empty needleholes, it's the right color & thickness, etc.) > >Then I went looking and found that Schuette and Christensen's book >(I have a French version) shows beadwork in their item #180, a >fragment of another antependium, also 14th century and from >Marienwerder. The description clearly says the figures are backed >with parchment. The next item, which is color plate VIII, is also >beadwork (the antependium from Halberstadt, 2nd half of the 13th >century) and clearly says "Broderie de perles sur support de >parchemin et de toile." ("The bead embroidery is supported by >parchment and canvas.") I've been meaning to jump in on this thread, but lately I've been coping with the shift from the carefree (hah!) life of a starving student, to the delightful drudgery of full-time employment, and I've been too exhausted to do more than read things. There's an substantial body of beadwork done with a parchment backing -- most of it German (or other central European). A very extensive collection can be found in: Schuette, Marie. 1927 (vol. I) & 1930 (vol. II). Gestickte Bildteppiche und Decken des Mittelalters. Verlag von Karl W. Hiersemann in Leipzig. The majority of the pieces in this collection are from Halberstadt Cathedral and include the material also found in Schuette & Christensen (it's the same Schuette). In general, the design is solidly beaded (sometimes also including metal plaques), usually with the parchment laid on top of the main fabric, but sometimes with fabric also covering the parchment. In the former case, where the beads have come off, you can see the design drawn onto the parchment. When the beads are missing, you can also see the stitching holes or sometimes thread-ends, showing how the work was done. In some other cases, the beads are sewn over and through a metal plaque (and presumably to the fabric underneath). In general, the beads are clearly worked in strings, so that the pattern -- whether a solid color or multiple colors -- have a "look and feel" similar to that built up by the rows of split stitch in Opus Anglicanum (although on a larger scale, of course). The parallel can particularly be seen in the use of two colors in the hair, and in the way the lines of work follow the draperies on clothing. The couple of pieces I've done in this style have had fabric laid over the parchment (and the design drawn on the back of the parchment as a guide) -- mostly because I was uncertain about my ability not to have unsightly gaps showing. The pieces were done as medallions (with an added fabric backing so that they could be basted or pinned onto a garment), which doesn't precisely follow any of the pieces I've seen. The medieval pieces are mostly decorations on altar cloths, although there are also examples on a miter, on a piece I believe is a stole (probably decorating the ends), and on the top of a sudarium (another piece of ecclesiastical gear). The survival of only ecclesiastical pieces is probably partly a matter of survival patterns. It's hard to know, though, whether and how this type of work would have been used to decorate garments. The surviving uses are well suited to the extreme stiffness of the technique, and only fairly small motifs would work well on a garment that needed to move and bend more. As long as I'm commenting on the applique thread ... I would tend to make a distinction between examples where the shaping of the applied piece is itself decorative, and pieces where a strip or other piece of existing fabric (perhaps decorative or embroidered fabric) has been sewing onto another. For example, the embroidered Egyptian roundel that was mentioned, which is sewn down onto another fabric, may well be a re-use of a valuable embroidery when the original ground fabric was worn out. Similarly, there are all manner of examples of strips of luxury fabric being sewn as decoration onto a more ordinary cloth. There seem to be some clear patterns of difference in technique between these and the examples of clearly "decorative" applique, where the applied fabric is cut into more intricate shapes, perhaps with stitched detailing as well. For example, it's fairly common for decorative appliques to use the "couched cord on raw cut edges" technique, but the more "functional" appliques that I've seen are much more likely to have the raw edges folded under and sewn with a hem-stitch with no applied cord edging. When I've done decorative appliques, I've never had any particular problems with the work slipping or distorting. I've done both fairly small pieces (silk birds' heads on wool, a couple inches in diameter each) and fairly large ones (a few heraldic cloaks), and a combination of extensive pinning and patience (which latter is pretty hard for me) seem to work. I've come to prefer the "couched cord on a raw cut edge" technique -- partly through sheer laziness -- and even on ravelly fabrics (like silk) it seems to work as long as the item isn't going to get a lot of stress or abrasion. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 13:23:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHNqV5017450 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:23:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHLhdD028126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHLgMs020500; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHLcMs020449 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be1c.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.28]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A7FA262A3E for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c3699b$3c58dd50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:23:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Subject: [h-cost] testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 13:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHgvV5017484 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHg6dD028763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHg4Ms028461; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-97.apple.com [17.250.248.97]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NHg2Ms028443 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail06.mac.com (webmail06-en1 [10.13.11.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h7NHg1DE022796 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail06 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail06.mac.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h7NHg1GB002555 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3471870.1061660521593.JavaMail.gawne@mac.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:42:01 -0700 From: Agnes Gawne To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] testing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are fine here Bjarne - it's just a nice Saturday I think. Agnes On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 10:23AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 14:43:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIhuV5017603 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIgjdD001000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIgiqt022044; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIgfqt022009 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-008-192.jps.net ([216.119.8.192] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qdLU-0002jS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7NIhuV5017603 Status: RO I suppose most of you people have already run across these quotes in the Catherine Wheele question, but since I'm not sure I'm posting this quote I just came across found quoted in Elizabethan Pageantry. " In many places the ordinary citizens Wives have their gownes made with long traines, which are pinned up in the house, and borne up by maide servants when they goe abroade, which fashion of old onely great Noblemen used with us. And in many cities as well the married as unmarried Women weare long fardingales hanging about their feete like hoopes, which our Women used of olde, but have now changed to short fardingales about their hippes." Moryson-ltinerary, 1605-17. obviously this is in support of the no hoops at the feet theory. rgds, Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 14:44:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIi7V5017606 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIhAdD001035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIh9qt022201; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIghqt022032 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-008-192.jps.net ([216.119.8.192] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qdLW-0004OW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:42:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c369a6$858cf140$c00877d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:44:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: "short farthingales about their hippes" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7NIi7V5017606 Status: RO opps, should have been "hippes" ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Sinervo To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: "short farthingales about their hoppes" I suppose most of you people have already run across these quotes in the Catherine Wheele question, but since I'm not sure I'm posting this quote I just came across found quoted in Elizabethan Pageantry. " In many places the ordinary citizens Wives have their gownes made with long traines, which are pinned up in the house, and borne up by maide servants when they goe abroade, which fashion of old onely great Noblemen used with us. And in many cities as well the married as unmarried Women weare long fardingales hanging about their feete like hoopes, which our Women used of olde, but have now changed to short fardingales about their hippes." Moryson-ltinerary, 1605-17. obviously this is in support of the no hoops at the feet theory. rgds, Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 14:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIqxV5017622 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:52:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIprdD001319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIprqt025488; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NIpoqt025429 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935B019FC0E for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F47B8AA.5080709@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:55:38 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 16th century dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I finally had the chance to work on one of my own projects. It is not finished yet, as alway's... Made a small bumbroll and I really like the effect. The dress looks wrinkly because I still have to make the lacingholes and it is just pinned on my corset. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 15:26:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NJQ9V5017684 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NJOldD002336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NJOfMb008470; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NJOcMb008445 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-004-009.jps.net ([216.119.4.9] helo=pavilion) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qe05-0006Na-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:24:38 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c369ac$696f5060$090477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F47B8AA.5080709@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:26:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO that's coming along very nicely thanks for posting!! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] 16th century dress > Hi, > > I finally had the chance to work on one of my own projects. > It is not finished yet, as alway's... > Made a small bumbroll and I really like the effect. > The dress looks wrinkly because I still have to make the lacingholes and > it is just pinned on my corset. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 16:33:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NKXqV5017885 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NKWhdD005041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NKWfeu005320; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NKWbev005272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7NKcCoP017382 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:38:12 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:15 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Moryson-ltinerary, 1605-17. Keen! Who was this person and which culture was still wearing the old, long style of farthinggale? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval baby-in-a-walker toddler T-shirt: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 17:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLKwV5018039 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLIpdD006845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLIoLr024177; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9407.mail.yahoo.com (web9407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7NLIlLr024160 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030823211847.35016.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:18:47 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F47B8AA.5080709@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow--you are making quite a bit of progress! Looking very very nice---thank you for sharing. This is one of the outfits I've wanted to duplicate for ages! cheers and best-- Albra Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, I finally had the chance to work on one of my own projects. It is not finished yet, as alway's... Made a small bumbroll and I really like the effect. The dress looks wrinkly because I still have to make the lacingholes and it is just pinned on my corset. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumeme@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 17:26:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLQPV5018049 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLNtdD007178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLNsLr026595; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7NLNpLr026567 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030823212351.92960.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.107.144.153] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:23:51 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200308151801.h7FI19Cr014872@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] ageofthecotehardie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It appears that this group, along with its' files, has disappeared. Does anyone know what group replaced it? Thanks Carol __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 17:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLZrV5018064 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLVedD007388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLVdLr029535; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLVZLr029503 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-005-120.jps.net ([216.119.5.120] helo=pavilion) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qfyw-0002lQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c369be$258ff540$060c77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:33:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sorry, I really should have included that. The reference is to the Germans and I believe Moryson is comparing them to the English. This was quoted in Elizabethan Pagentry, which was published in 1934 without a copyright notice. I'm webbing the rest of the commentary right now. Lisa Sinervo www.Thrednedlestrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" > > > Moryson-ltinerary, 1605-17. > > Keen! Who was this person and which culture was still wearing the old, > long style of farthinggale? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pr Argent > > Medieval baby-in-a-walker toddler T-shirt: http://store.virtue.to > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 17:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLZrV5018065 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLYRdD007551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLYRLr000908; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLYOLr000888 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06780 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:02:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:02:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ageofthecotehardie In-Reply-To: <20030823212351.92960.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Carol Mitchell wrote: > It appears that this group, along with its' files, has > disappeared. Does anyone know what group replaced it? They all moved over to aotc at yahoo. The original group got on porn spammers' radar, and the original moderators were AWOL so no one could reset the moderation specs. I thought they were leaving the old group up for archives access, though. I think there are a couple of members around here, so maybe one of them can fill you in. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 17:58:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLwFV5018126 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLvCdD008255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:57:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NLvBWc009819; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9403.mail.yahoo.com (web9403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7NLv9Wc009801 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030823215708.66852.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:57:08 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] ageofthecotehardie To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also wondered about that--since as soon as I joined I started getting all these REALLY strange messages--so I stopped visiting :( Would also love to know where they went to-- Albra Robin Netherton wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Carol Mitchell wrote: > It appears that this group, along with its' files, has > disappeared. Does anyone know what group replaced it? They all moved over to aotc at yahoo. The original group got on porn spammers' radar, and the original moderators were AWOL so no one could reset the moderation specs. I thought they were leaving the old group up for archives access, though. I think there are a couple of members around here, so maybe one of them can fill you in. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 18:34:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMYJV5018237 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMXBdD009508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMX9Wc023870; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.16.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMX0Wd023728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-205.sonic.net [209.148.112.205]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7NMWrkf012578 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:35:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" In-Reply-To: <001501c369be$258ff540$060c77d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If it's a British book, quite often older ones don't include a copyright date. Apparently under British law, such noninclusion did not invalidate their copyright in any way. The lack of a date is very annoying for dating old British books. Fran At 02:33 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >sorry, I really should have included that. The reference is to the Germans >and I believe Moryson is comparing them to the English. This was quoted in >Elizabethan Pagentry, which was published in 1934 without a copyright >notice. Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 18:56:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMujV5018305 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMtNdD010387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMtMSs003155; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NMtJSs003131 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-15-82.o1.jps.net ([216.119.15.82] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qhHy-0002S2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c369c9$dc0405e0$520f77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:56:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Published in New York! Yippee!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" > If it's a British book, quite often older ones don't include a copyright > date. Apparently under British law, such noninclusion did not invalidate > their copyright in any way. The lack of a date is very annoying for dating > old British books. > > Fran > > At 02:33 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >sorry, I really should have included that. The reference is to the Germans > >and I believe Moryson is comparing them to the English. This was quoted in > >Elizabethan Pagentry, which was published in 1934 without a copyright > >notice. > > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and Vintage Dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 19:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NNcxV5018424 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:38:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NNb4dD012017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NNb0Ss019874; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.19.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7NNavSt019769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-205.sonic.net [209.148.112.205]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7NNao7N025777 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:36:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:39:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" In-Reply-To: <000601c369c9$dc0405e0$520f77d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And they didn't omit the copyright notice because it was also published in Great Britain (in which case it was legal in the US to omit a US notice)? Strange. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 20:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0hHV5018608 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:43:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0fddD014127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0fcXq014188; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0faXq014163 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-196.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.196] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qiwp-0000pS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c369d8$b463d600$c40677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:43:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This book was published by Studio and there is a notice that even says Studio was registered with the US Pat. Office. The publisher is London: The Studio LTD / New York: The Studio Publications Inc. 1934. No copyright notice. It may be simultaneously published in London but not FIRST published overseas. Also, no extension for copyright was lodged in the 27th year (or whatever year I can't remember but I knew at the time I checked) with the US copyright office so in my reasonably well researched opinion, this book is in the public domain. It's basically a book filled with quotes from playwrights and period commentators anyway. Morse's considerable contribution was collecting and arranging the info, he didn't actually write much at all so if there was a problem, it would really be a matter of not using his material in the order he did. But why not give the man full credit! It's a great resource and has a terrific bibliography too. Hopefully I'll finish this by tomorrow if anyone cares to have a look who may not have come across this book before, the glossary is already online. cheers! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" > And they didn't omit the copyright notice because it was also published in > Great Britain (in which case it was legal in the US to omit a US notice)? > Strange. > > Fran > > > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and Vintage Dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 20:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0rUV5018624 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0phdD014422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0pgXq017832; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O0pdXq017819 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-196.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.196] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qj6X-0004uE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c369da$1c60d180$c40677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion><3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org><5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net><5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <000801c369d8$b463d600$c40677d8@pavilion> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:53:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Morse & copyright expirations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's basically a book filled with quotes from playwrights and period > commentators anyway. Morse's considerable contribution was collecting and > arranging the info, he didn't actually write much at all so if there was a > problem, it would really be a matter of not using his material in the order > he did. This might mean, putting the glossary in random, instead of alphabetical order!!!! Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 23 23:33:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3XiV5018908 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:33:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3UedD020406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3Uaxv020927; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3UVxv020892 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p110-nas15.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.238] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19qlaH-0005iC-00; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:30:30 +1200 Message-ID: <000b01c369f0$0ecded30$eeceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030823212351.92960.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ageofthecotehardie Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:30:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It appears that this group, along with its' files, has > disappeared. Does anyone know what group replaced it? > Thanks > Carol It's still there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ageofthecotehardie/?yguid=85892 But the moderator disappeared or something so no one can stop the porn spammers... so they moved the discussion to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aotc?yguid=85892 They still have the files and photos at the old group and you can still search the archives. And this way they have twice the file storage. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 00:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O42nV5018935 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:02:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3tTdD020967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3tRv7029958; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.19.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O3tOv8029900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-155.sonic.net [209.148.112.155]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7O3tH7N005907 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:57:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] "short farthingales about their hoppes" In-Reply-To: <000801c369d8$b463d600$c40677d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >with the US copyright office so in my reasonably well researched opinion, >this book is in the public domain. According to my lawyer, if a book is published in more than one country, and one copyright has expired but others have not, the date for legal publication is when the longest of the copyright terms expires, as most countries have agreed not to violate each others' copyrights. >It's basically a book filled with quotes from playwrights and period >commentators anyway. Morse's considerable contribution was collecting and >arranging the info Selection and arrangement/organiztion of materials in an anthology is fully copyrightable. > he didn't actually write much at all so if there was a >problem, it would really be a matter of not using his material in the order >he did. Also of not using a significant/recognizable part of his selection. I saw a bunch of used copies cheap on AddAll, maybe I'll get one. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 00:36:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4aiV5018996 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4AndD021360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4Amv7005775; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4Akv7005752 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-010-186.jps.net ([216.119.10.186] helo=pavilion) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qmDF-0004xK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:10:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c369f5$edadcc00$ba0a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >with the US copyright office so in my reasonably well researched opinion, > >this book is in the public domain. > > According to my lawyer, if a book is published in more than one country, > and one copyright has expired but others have not, the date for legal > publication is when the longest of the copyright terms expires, as most > countries have agreed not to violate each others' copyrights. > I've done quite a bit of research into this particular book before I started webbing it and I feel quite confident in it's public domain status. It's a cheap second hand book and worth every penny if you happen upon a copy. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 01:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O5DHV5019065 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4R5dD021861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4R4v7011367; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.19.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7O4R2v8011324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-155.sonic.net [209.148.112.155]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7O4Qt7N007434 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:26:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030823212825.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:29:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry In-Reply-To: <000801c369f5$edadcc00$ba0a77d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO \ >It's a cheap second hand book and worth every penny if you happen upon a >copy. > >Lisa Sinervo >www.ThrednedleStrete.com > AddAll lists over 30 used copies right now, the lower end ones run about $14 give or take a little. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 07:05:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OB5PV5031790 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OB4SdD002100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OB4McY006211; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OB4JcY006157 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.163.233])3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AHI51691; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:03:48 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003401c36a30$14a46b40$e9a34ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:08:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Points X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone tell me a reliable mail order source for points prefer UK but US OK if they are QUICK !! Thanks Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 08:14:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OCEkV5031902 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:14:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OCDidD003785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OCDfg4024635; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ureach.com (mail.ureach.com [63.150.151.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OCDcg4024621 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail20.ureach.com (mail20.ureach.com [172.16.2.80]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15563 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:13:38 -0400 Received: from TEENALAPTOP (adsl-81-137-76.asm.bellsouth.net [65.81.137.76]) by mail20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA15559 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c36a39$1193e0d0$260110ac@TEENALAPTOP> From: "Beteena Paradise" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003401c36a30$14a46b40$e9a34ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Points Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got mine from Jewelry Supply. Looks like they are out of some of the points they normally carry, but I have found them inexpensive and reliable. http://www.jewelrysupply.net/EJS/boloslidetips.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] Points > Can anyone tell me a reliable mail order source for points prefer UK but US > OK if they are QUICK !! > > Thanks > > Mel > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 09:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ODEcV5031980 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:14:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ODDYdD005532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ODDW2o012016; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ODCa2o011739 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-14-21.o1.jps.net ([216.119.14.21] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qufb-0004Bj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c36a41$9f7d18a0$150e77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823212825.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:14:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On the other hand, I'm nearly finished webbing the whole thing. The glossary is already up at http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/Glossary.htm and commentary and images are going up today. A reprint in a full color version would be very nice though if your thinking about the book for professional reasons! Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry > \ > >It's a cheap second hand book and worth every penny if you happen upon a > >copy. > > > >Lisa Sinervo > >www.ThrednedleStrete.com > > > > > AddAll lists over 30 used copies right now, the lower end ones run about > $14 give or take a little. > > Fran > > > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and Vintage Dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 12:41:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OGfjV5032390 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:41:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OGe0dD012751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OGdt9B024584; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.16.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OGdr9C024529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-145.sonic.net [209.148.112.145]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7OGdkkf028823 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:39:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030824092017.00ad38c8@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry In-Reply-To: <000601c36a41$9f7d18a0$150e77d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823212825.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got way more public domain sources than I could ever reprint. My chance of doing that is about equal to that of using my fabric stash in my lifetime. We (there are actually other people in the business, part time) also don't do reprints. The books we publish are new books, either written "from scratch" or with a great deal of work in selection, arrangement, and addition of new material. Also editing of text and graphics--one of our goals is high-quality high-resolution graphics production. The schedule depends on the book. But the last one, _Reconstruction Era Fashions_ , took over two years of full-time work. The current one, which I refer to as _The Book That Ate San Francisco_, has taken two years so far and it's not ready for the printer yet. (We are working on two others in a back-burner way but frankly I don't even want to contemplate them right now. I just spend a frantic week looking for a replacement for the graphics proof printer. And ordered one, but it's not here yet.) It's hard work (and requires a lot of fancy hardware and software), but very interesting and rewarding. Also, we can be sure when we publish a book that we are creating something new, and that no prospective buyers already own it. Just wanted to clear that up . . . because people have an image of what "reprints" are and we have never in fact published one. Fran A reprint in a full color version >would be very nice though if your thinking about the book for professional >reasons! > >Lisa Sinervo >www.ThrednedleStrete.com > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 14:02:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OI27V5032550 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OHwxdD015663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OHwwEX025777; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OHwtEX025765 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-17-31.o1.jps.net ([216.119.17.31] helo=pavilion) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qz8g-0005Gi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c36a69$9de13bc0$1f1177d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823212825.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030824092017.00ad38c8@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > > Just wanted to clear that up . . . because people have an image of what > "reprints" are and we have never in fact published one. > Thanks for that, I assumed you did basic reprints, but of professional quality. I can understand why it might take you that long to produce a book. Even the simple webbing jobs I've undertaken were time consuming and there has been no attempt for them to be of "professional quality" due to my own time constraints and priorities. Anyway, must get back to work! Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 14:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OISaV5032640 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:28:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OIPodD016794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OIPnEX006111; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net [64.142.16.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OIPkEY006063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LAVOLTA2.lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-145.sonic.net [209.148.112.145]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h7OIPckf002301 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:25:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030824110557.00acc790@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: lavolta@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:27:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pageantry In-Reply-To: <000601c36a69$9de13bc0$1f1177d8@pavilion> References: <000a01c369a6$54f780e0$c00877d8@pavilion> <3F47CF8B.7060208@thibault.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823153201.00ac3d10@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823163737.029d6520@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823205102.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030823212825.00b10e68@pop.sonic.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030824092017.00ad38c8@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:00 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Fran wrote: > > > > Just wanted to clear that up . . . because people have an image of what > > "reprints" are and we have never in fact published one. > > >Thanks for that, I assumed you did basic reprints, but of professional >quality. I can understand why it might take you that long to produce a >book. It would be a lot easier, cheaper, and probably more profitable for us to do straightforward reprints. They are a perfectly valid publication path, and there is no shortage of public domain material. It's just that we don't find reprints interesting to publish--though many people do. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and Vintage Dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 15:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OJdYV5000411 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:39:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OJcTdD019775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OJcOgi005479; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OJcMgi005474 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-38ldvrh.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.255.113] helo=[209.86.241.31]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19r0gv-0006DG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:38:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:38:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Out of Print Folkwear Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm searching for a couple out-of-print Folkwear patterns ("adapted from the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art") 506 (1920's Equestrienne) 508 (1915 Traveling Suit) Other than eBay, does anyone have any recommendations of places to look? Thanks, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 18:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM2dV5000861 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM1SdD025198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM1QIO002979; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM1OIO002958 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-010-048.jps.net ([216.119.10.48] helo=pavilion) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19r2vL-0007AN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:01:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c36a8b$7dfc7000$300a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:03:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] butterick patterns 60 cents rumour X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7OM2dV5000861 Status: RO another list I'm on posted that rumor has it that butterick patterns are 60 cents each today at joAnns Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 24 18:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM5TV5000872 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:05:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM3UdD025290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7OM3UIO003814; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7OM2iIO003466 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-102.gti.net [208.216.115.102]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 712A3354BF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F493334.E68FCA1C@gti.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:50:45 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of Print Folkwear Patterns References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, finding those particular patterns at a reasonable price should prove to be somewhat of a challenge..Everyone seems to be looking for those elusive patterns that were based on pieces from the Metropolitan Museum costume collection, like the original Coccoon coat, the Claire McCardell dress, the Cloisters dress. The two you want may have been among that Met collection I'm not sure..But I would just keep the eBay search going & eventually they will turn up. Good Luck! Deb R. There are a few good second hand pattern web sites, many of which are listed at this page (BTW this is the new address): Vintage Pattern WebRing http://X.webring.com/hub?ring=pattern1 Also there is: monsterpatterns.com http://www.monsterpatterns.com/ > I'm searching for a couple out-of-print Folkwear patterns > ("adapted from the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art") > 506 (1920's Equestrienne) > 508 (1915 Traveling Suit) > > Other than eBay, does anyone have any recommendations of places to look? > > Thanks, > Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 04:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P8rYV5009404 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P8qNdD018468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P8qEoX019779; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P8qBoX019746 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F84FBE6C8 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:56:01 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A friend of mine would like to make a dress that looks early tudor to me. It is French 1496-1498 http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg It is the blue orange dress in the front of the picture. I wonder if this dress is worn with a corset or that the dress is stiffened. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 05:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P95YV5010318 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P94ZdD018814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P94ZDo023985; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P94XDo023974 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-67-121-127-45.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.121.127.45])h7P94Vf6017899 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20030825020333.00d815c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:04:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >A friend of mine would like to make a dress that looks early tudor to me. >It is French 1496-1498 >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg >It is the blue orange dress in the front >of the picture. >I wonder if this dress is worn with a corset or that the dress is >stiffened. I'd say corset. I think Koehler has a picture of such a corset, albeit only in drawing form. Or I may have seen that corset elsewhere. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 05:34:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P9YKV5010354 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P9XTdD019957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P9XSDo028659; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7P9XQDo028648 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 673B743C00; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:33:25 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:33:25 +0300 (EEST) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: References: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > It is French 1496-1498 > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg > It is the blue orange dress in the front > of the picture. > I wonder if this dress is worn with a corset or that the dress is > stiffened. The world wonders with you. Exact time when people started wearing stays in unknown, but first survived corset is from 100 year later than the date you gave for the painting. I'd personally just use hair canvas and possibly some boning the the dress itself -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi http://www.lynoure.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 06:33:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAX2V5010446 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAWCdD021151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAWAO4016240; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAW7O4016205 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1181A1A00D2 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F49E68E.9030508@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:35:58 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Handwoven 100% silk velvets and more nice fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.luigi-bevilacqua.com/english/index.mv Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 06:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAkKV5010458 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:46:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAj9dD021445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAj8O4019878; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAj4O4019842 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p152-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.152] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19rEqM-0000jy-00; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:45:02 +1200 Message-ID: <003501c36af5$ee968700$98c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:44:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Duuuuuddddee! The Blue dress is what I'm going to be recreating;) Seeing as I have a delicious copy of it in Medieval Art of Love:) Robinet Testard is the artist for anyone wondering, and didn't click the link;) I have found a new favourite artist. I did a search for him on the net, and found a copy of Simple Medicine.. which was not so simple in price... I'm not sure if I'd say a corset is worn. Not considering it's evolution in terms of what it's from and where it's heading. I'm still thinking fitted kirtle underneath doing the shaping. Of course there may be some separation of the body and skirt of the kirtle (and you can see this happening earlier in the century). So the bodice may have some additional padding. But the ideal shape just prior to this was for a very flat chest anyway, and the figure still isn't hightly developed so there is not likely to be a corset as we may be more familiar with toward the end of the 16thC, as it only takes a little to get that shape with a less developed figure. *cough*likeme*cough* Side lacing the kirtle also helps get that shape as you have a flat expanse of fabric over the bust. Look at the figure in the top. She is wearing a kirtle that is not front laced, that's about the same as I'd make for under the gown. I'd make the sleeves briefer though for wearing under s gown with sleeves that fit to the elbow. And the figure is an idealisation so we are not talking about what an average woman would look like;) If you are going to look at Tudor look at early tudor, up to about when Holbein sketched the moore family. The bodies are not so stiff as in formal protraits. I have found a lovely tapestry of a similar dress, and her hair is just a killer. Much like the little girl holding the casket in one of the Lady and the Unicorn Tapestries. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 06:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PAsMV5010499 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PArRdD021710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PArQO4022281; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PArOO4022269 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p152-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.152] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19rEyQ-0006EO-00; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:53:23 +1200 Message-ID: <003b01c36af7$1aee3130$98c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c36618$da58b240$a0467a43@angelap3a8d978> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:53:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Latest Project X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The reasons for asking about blackwork on silk is because I'm making the Anna Meyer dress. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/annameyer.htm Now, I baulk at the idea of trimming a fine wool with linen even if it is going to be supporting some spiffy blackwork (the pattern is driving me nuts, looking really closely it's all made up of little step type stitches, which don't work for some of the angles so I'm doing more testing than a sane person should.) Anyway, each case I've found where a source says "on silk" has proved to be a typo. I'm still looking;) But it's getting annoying. I am looking for a linen I like to do the bands with, and that's proving as difficult to find. I'd rather do the embroidery directly onto the wool to be honest;) Nevermind, I'll keep plugging away and whinge and moan when I have to use linen in the end;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 08:03:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PC3RV5010715 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:03:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PC2cdD024466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PC2aDq014311; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PC2XDr014259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7PC8GoP006281 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:08:16 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F49FAFE.50000@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:03:10 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not References: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> <003501c36af5$ee968700$98c0adcb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003501c36af5$ee968700$98c0adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > I'm not sure if I'd say a corset is worn. On my monitor, I can definitely see breast shaping in the blue of the bodice. A tudor type corset wouldn't let you see that at all, you'd just get flat fabric. But some canvas lining might be useful for that preternaturally smooth side. Is there a term for this era? I tend to call it "proto tudor" in my head, and includes the 'mon seul desir' unicorn tapestries. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval baby-in-a-walker toddler T-shirt: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 09:09:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PD90V5010853 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PD82dD027147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PD80jR006968; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PD7vjR006956 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-004-099.jps.net ([216.119.4.99] helo=pavilion) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19rH4e-0001wY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c36b0a$25c02420$630477d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c36618$da58b240$a0467a43@angelap3a8d978> <003b01c36af7$1aee3130$98c0adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Latest Project Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:09:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhpas you may have already come across this, but for your research on fine wool in the lowlands, try "The New Draperies in the Low Counties and England" from Pasold Studies in Textile History - 10, edited by N.B. Harte it goes into the changes in cloth manufacturing that produced the lighter wool cloths. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] Latest Project > The reasons for asking about blackwork on silk is because I'm making the > Anna Meyer dress. > > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/annameyer.htm > > Now, I baulk at the idea of trimming a fine wool with linen even if it is > going to be supporting some spiffy blackwork (the pattern is driving me > nuts, looking really closely it's all made up of little step type stitches, > which don't work for some of the angles so I'm doing more testing than a > sane person should.) > > Anyway, each case I've found where a source says "on silk" has proved to be > a typo. I'm still looking;) But it's getting annoying. > > I am looking for a linen I like to do the bands with, and that's proving as > difficult to find. > > I'd rather do the embroidery directly onto the wool to be honest;) > Nevermind, I'll keep plugging away and whinge and moan when I have to use > linen in the end;) > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 09:19:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PDJaV5010872 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PDIPdD027648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PDIOjR011114; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9404.mail.yahoo.com (web9404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7PDFojR010032 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030825131550.34758.qmail@web9404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.239.171] by web9404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:15:50 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handwoven 100% silk velvets and more nice fabrics To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3F49E68E.9030508@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What beautiful fabrics---!! I did'nt see any prices--though--and am , frankly afraid to ask. Sigh!! I NEED that winning LOTTO ticket! lol! Albra Deredere Galbraith wrote: http://www.luigi-bevilacqua.com/english/index.mv Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumeme@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 11:13:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PFDLV5011194 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:13:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PFCPdD005434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PFCJUt016201; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PFAqUt015229 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip15.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.15]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584AD6AA3E for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:10:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not Message-ID: <3F49C48C.3976.319C060@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A friend of mine would like to make a dress that looks early tudor to > me. It is French 1496-1498 http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg > It is the blue orange dress in the front of the picture. I wonder if > this dress is worn with a corset or that the dress is stiffened. That early they were still using a fitted underdress reminiscent of the fitted gothic dress. >From everything I've been able to find, they didn't stiffen the dress itself or wear a corset until much later. And before they did corsets like we think of them, they were using "pasted linen" (which would be like our crown buckram) instead of things like reeds or whalebone. For this one I'd probably go for a fitted gothic dress with a squared neckline. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 15:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJ31V5011904 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:03:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJ1jdD026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJ1huM028725; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJ1cuM028659 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb136.cvip.net [129.8.204.136]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HK6003X1VG5OK@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:46:43 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions In-reply-to: <004001c36918$ddcc6f40$421177d8@pavilion> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825114359.0278fea0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:49 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion describes the trunk hose/canion >construction for Sir Richard Cott's extant garment as follows: Hi Lisa, I have that book, and I didn't even think to look into it. Duh!! Thanks for pointing this out to me. I will be looking at it in more detail, but so far it looks to be one garment, with the slops sewn to the canions, then attached to the doublet with points. This is a later garment than the 1588 images I am looking at, but otherwise seem very similar. Thanks again! Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 15:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJfZV5012162 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJeXdD029534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJeNuM001366; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PJeFuM001200 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EE1BECD9 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F4A6706.1000904@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:44:06 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Female archers 1885 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Found a picture of female archers from 1885 http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1885archers.jpg And I was wondering if there are more pictures of female archers of this time. Every year we have an archery competition in a openair museum. And they like it when you come in an appropriate costume. I would love to make such a dress and have some pictures to let people see that it is correct for the museum.... :-) Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 16:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PKBeV5012377 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PKAddD002175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PKAahM026254; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PKAXhM026199 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is there an email list for gold work? thread-index: AcNrQQOgxqS5VtbzEdetKQCw0LEy7w== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7PKAXhM026199 Subject: [h-cost] Is there an email list for gold work? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm currently re-doing an earlier gold work project (collar and cuffs for a Florentine outfit 1350-1365) and I was wondering if anyone has heard of an email list devoted to this topic? Thanks! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 18:11:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMBNV5013517 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PM9ndD012849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PM9kah011334; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.138]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PM9gah011204 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.69]) by mta02bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HK700B2V42VBH@mta02bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:06:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from cvpp-p-144-138-156-90.prem.tmns.net.au ([144.138.156.90]) by bwmam01.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2c 2/29115567); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:06:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:06:30 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003501c36b55$24291450$5a9c8a90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> <003501c36af5$ee968700$98c0adcb@michaela> <3F49FAFE.50000@thibault.org> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > I'm not sure if I'd say a corset is worn. On my monitor, I can definitely see breast shaping in the blue of the bodice. A tudor type corset wouldn't let you see that at all, you'd just get flat fabric. But some canvas lining might be useful for that preternaturally smooth side. I'd agree with the no corset theory. I spent a lot of time looking at dresses from this period, both English and French, a few years ago, and I think the support is all in the kirtle. Sometimes the overgowns of this style are quite loose and wrinkly. Is there a term for this era? I tend to call it "proto tudor" in my head, and includes the 'mon seul desir' unicorn tapestries. I call it proto-Tudor too. It's one of my favourites, probably because it's so rarely done. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 18:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMKtV5013633 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:20:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMJcdD013516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMJbah019120; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [144.135.24.156]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMJYah019033 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clarke ([144.135.24.69]) by mta06bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HK700KDJ4K0P1@mta06bw.email.bigpond.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:16:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from cvpp-p-144-138-156-90.prem.tmns.net.au ([144.138.156.90]) by bwmam01.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2c 2/29127306); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:16:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:16:46 +1000 From: Claire Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Female archers 1885 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <005c01c36b56$93723200$5a9c8a90@clarke> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3F4A6706.1000904@kabelfoon.nl> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Female archers 1885 > Hi, > > Found a picture of female archers from 1885 > http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1885archers.jpg > And I was wondering if there are more pictures of female archers of this > time. > > There is a painting called "The Fair Toxophilites" or something similar. I have it in a costume book around here somewhere (the one by James Laver, I can't remember the title). That is only of three women, but from a similar time period. One of them is wearing a rather nice purple dress that I've had my eye on for a while. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 18:40:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMdVV5013841 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMccdD014817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMcbah004079; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PMcXah004027 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-12hc6te.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.174] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19rPyr-0006J4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3F4A8FF3.7060007@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:38:43 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is there an email list for gold work? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Colleen McDonald wrote: > I'm currently re-doing an earlier gold work project (collar and cuffs for a Florentine outfit 1350-1365) and I was wondering if anyone has heard of an email list devoted to this topic? > > Thanks! > > Colleen I don't know of a gold-work-specific list, but the topic does get discussed on the historic needlework list. http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/h-needlework --Charlene -- Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. -- Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 19:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PNgvV5014380 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PNekdD023802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7PNejub022113; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7PNegub022075 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from adsl-67-121-114-31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@67.121.114.31 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 23:40:18 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c36b62$3cbb9800$ea44fea9@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3F4A6706.1000904@kabelfoon.nl> <005c01c36b56$93723200$5a9c8a90@clarke> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Female archers 1885 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:40:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's a link to an image of this painting -- it's by William Frith, 1872. http://tinyurl.com/l632 - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Clarke" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Female archers 1885 > There is a painting called "The Fair Toxophilites" or something similar. I > have it in a costume book around here somewhere (the one by James > Laver, I can't remember the title). That is only of three women, but from > a similar time period. One of them is wearing a rather nice purple > dress that I've had my eye on for a while. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 20:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q03sV5014586 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q02vdD027474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q02uhH007256; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7ON2uHw026801; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-102.gti.net [208.216.115.102]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 1420B35283; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F494345.C65B4BA7@gti.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:59:18 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:02:54 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Castle Howard Auction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If anyone is interested in historic costume auctions (or just the pretty catalogs), Castle Howard, a fairly famous museum in the UK with a notable costume collection, is apparently having a house sale. I am not sure of the details or what is featured in the sale, but the Sotheby's web site is offering a catalog for a "house sale" at Castle Howard on October 7th. There is a picture of an embroidered 18th century waistcoat on the cover of the catalog...plus the contact person for the sale is the specialist for the Costume & Textiles department, so it is probably safe to say the sale has a good amount of such items...It's around $28 US. BTW I am NOT affiliated with Sothebys. Cheers, Deb R. Here are some Sothebys URLs: Sotheby's Auctions Calendar single owner sale - castle howard: http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/event/EventDetail.jsp?event_id=26373 Sotheby's Auctions Specialist Departments house sales: http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=102 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 21:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1DoV5015160 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1CldD000987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1CjYn013531; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1CgYo013510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (acty3226.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.226]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h7Q1DHEK019952 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3F4AB2A9.4090607@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:06:49 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Since the slops/canions question has been answered, I will comment on the hose question. It appears the Sir Christopher is wearing a Garter, as in the award, as opposed to a functional one. It is then possible that, as a wealthy man, he may be wearing silk knitted hose (the illo is hard to see, but there appears to be some sort of clocking at the ankle, though this alone does not indicate knitted hose specifically), which will have a certain amount of stretch at the knee, facilitating their staying up. I had (alas, they have been eaten up by moths) a nice light pair of knitted woolen hose that did the same in terms of fit. Cut hose of cloth might even have the same fit, if made of light woolen stuff and cut on the bias, or perhaps even silk or linen. Later fashions indicate the use of points to "truss up" ones hose to the bottom of the breeches, but that style is about 20-30 yrs. off from this portrait, IIRC. Hope this helps... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 21:51:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1p4V5015474 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1o0dD002880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1nxYn002191; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1nvYn002173 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-003-032.jps.net ([216.119.3.32] helo=pavilion) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19rSy4-0003MS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:49:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c36b74$992dcd80$200377d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030822115626.02d49178@127.0.0.1> <3F4AB2A9.4090607@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:51:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just noticed that the image of Robert Dudley 1588 by Nicolas Hillard also has a garter only on the left leg see http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/morse/p37.htm . After looking at these two images a bit closer, I think the canions are going over the stockings and the garter is just decorative something else we cannot see is holding the stockings up. I have a pair of hand knit silk stockings and the only way they stay up is through the use of garters. Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions > Hi, All. Since the slops/canions question has been answered, I will > comment on the hose question. It appears the Sir Christopher is wearing > a Garter, as in the award, as opposed to a functional one. It is then > possible that, as a wealthy man, he may be wearing silk knitted hose > (the illo is hard to see, but there appears to be some sort of clocking > at the ankle, though this alone does not indicate knitted hose > specifically), which will have a certain amount of stretch at the knee, > facilitating their staying up. I had (alas, they have been eaten up by > moths) a nice light pair of knitted woolen hose that did the same in > terms of fit. Cut hose of cloth might even have the same fit, if made of > light woolen stuff and cut on the bias, or perhaps even silk or linen. > Later fashions indicate the use of points to "truss up" ones hose to the > bottom of the breeches, but that style is about 20-30 yrs. off from this > portrait, IIRC. Hope this helps... Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 25 21:55:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1tJV5015514 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:55:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1s7dD003102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1s5Yn004075; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q1s2Yn004023 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip106.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.106]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D526F2C1 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:52:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not Message-ID: <3F4A5AF6.8741.5654DA5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003501c36b55$24291450$5a9c8a90@clarke> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Is there a term for this era? I tend to call it "proto tudor" in my > head, and includes the 'mon seul desir' unicorn tapestries. > > I call it proto-Tudor too. It's one of my favourites, probably > because it's so rarely done. > Claire I've always called it either "Henry VII Tudor" or "Early Tudor". If it's after 1485 it's definitely Tudor in England. ;) Then comes Henry VIII Tudor which is the classic "non-Elizabethan Tudor" (which also generally includes everything up to and including 1558 when Mary I died.) Some still call this "early Tudor". To me it's more "middle Tudor." Then comes Elizabethan or Late Tudor. I really like pre-Elizabethan Tudor, but my favorite time is 1525- 1545. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 00:07:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q47ZV5016862 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q45ddD009395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q45cQF010252; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q45YQF010204 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7Q45OsU006892 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:09:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: <3F49CF21.3080709@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Well, I would say no corset, just a well fitting kirtle underneath. From what I remember correctly (Drea back me up on this) - the earliest references to corsets (or boned bodies of any sort) is in the 1550s. However, from that time period there are references to bodices lined with "buckram." Does that help? Cheers, Danielle At 10:56 AM 8/25/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >A friend of mine would like to make a dress that looks early tudor to me. >It is French 1496-1498 >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg >It is the blue orange dress in the front >of the picture. >I wonder if this dress is worn with a corset or that the dress is >stiffened. > >Greetings, >Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 00:17:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4HYV5016965 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4GQdD009993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4GNQF015901; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4GKQF015877 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7Q4GIrw008563 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:16:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825231256.02d66d20@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:14:53 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit In-Reply-To: <20030820002920.12935.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030819172740.01f991b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, if you do, please let me know! I have no suggestions on the budget idea though, sigh. But, if I ever manage to win the lottery it shouldn't be a problem. I would love to be able to do something in Regency clothes...does anyone happen to know of anything in the Minnesota area? Cheers, Danielle At 05:29 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: >mmmm---I'm beginning to think that maybe I should seriously try to make >that fantasy come true:) Several of my costumning friends off list also >got enthusiastic about doing this idea. I'll have to give it some >more thought---how to make it economically feasible for' Ladies with >Less than an Heiress' Imcome'?? >Albra > >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >At 06:24 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear an > >entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire week at > >some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people participating. > >There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, etc . And I would > >need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent butler and cook , as > >well:)LOL! > >Albra > >Oooooo! If you do pick me! I would *love* to do something like that and I >even own a gold lorgnette now so I can have fun playing a grande dame. > >Cheers, >Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 00:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4cDV5017224 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:38:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4bFdD010972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4bBQF000849; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q4b9QF000831 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p498-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.244] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19rVZr-0006Fp-00; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:37:08 +1200 Message-ID: <005401c36b8b$b2d67090$f4c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c36618$da58b240$a0467a43@angelap3a8d978><003b01c36af7$1aee3130$98c0adcb@michaela> <000e01c36b0a$25c02420$630477d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Latest Project Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:37:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Perhpas you may have already come across this, but for your research on fine > wool in the lowlands, try "The New Draperies in the Low Counties and > England" from Pasold Studies in Textile History - 10, edited by N.B. Harte > it goes into the changes in cloth manufacturing that produced the lighter > wool cloths. To be honest I haven't tried documenting the wool, I have seen those Scandanavian finds of 12thC wools, they were a different weave of course, but very fine (and pleated;) ) And I have heard that widths of wools and finess of wools varied and were better than "we" tend to think of them. So thank you for the reference, it's definately something I am very interested in. Especially as it does give some further clues to society as will as costume (use of the wools, technological advances, monetary values etc) Now if only there was a book of all the extant embroideries for garments...;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 01:39:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q5dSV5017588 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:39:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q5cWdD013853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q5cUbW029633; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q5cRbW029592 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 6B9B8BEB; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:38:26 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:38:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Well, I would say no corset, just a well fitting kirtle underneath. From > what I remember correctly (Drea back me up on this) - the earliest > references to corsets (or boned bodies of any sort) is in the > 1550s. However, from that time period there are references to bodices > lined with "buckram." Does that help? This brings me to a thing I have occasionally been wondering about: the possible lines on the bodice in La Belle Ferronniere (by da Vinci). They are arranged in a way boning might be, them seem to have thickness (the point where two of those lines cross looks thicker) and do not seem to be very decorative. The portrait can be found at: http://leo.skyar.com/belle.htm -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 03:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q7P9V5016807 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q7MDdD017220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q7MAUR013283; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7Q7M8UR013216 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030826072203.58993.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:22:03 BST Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:22:03 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001201c36b74$992dcd80$200377d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Lisa Sinervo wrote: > I just noticed that the image of Robert Dudley 1588 by Nicolas Hillard also > has a garter only on the left leg see > http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/morse/p37.htm . After looking at these two > images a bit closer, I think the canions are going over the stockings and > the garter is just decorative something else we cannot see is holding the > stockings up. I have a pair of hand knit silk stockings and the only way > they stay up is through the use of garters. Lisa, he is wearing the ORDER of the Garter! This is NOT a normal garter, not at all, and it is only worn on one knee. It is blue and brocaded with the garter inscription. Nicole ===== Artemis - One of the Three Baroque Lurve Goddess http://www.kipar.org/temp/baroque-lurve-goddesses.jpg Email: nicole@kipar.org URL: http://www.kipar.org ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 04:34:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q8YaV5011891 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:34:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q8XUdD019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q8XSIA010786; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7Q8XPIA010758 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7Q8Xff03567.; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:33:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:33:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:33:19 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Howard Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7Q8XPIA010758 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I heard an item about this on BBC Radio 4 last week. Castle Howard is actually a historic house, famous as the setting for the 1980s TV version of "Brideshead Revisited". One wing of the house was burnt out in the 1940s. Apparently the Howard family started the costume collection in recent decades, and it starts with the late 18th century and includes a lot of modern costumes - they used to ask people they met who wore distinctive clothing, such as bikers, to pass discarded garments on to them. However, the collection has not been on display to the public, and because of the expense of storing the clothes in suitable conditions, the owners have decided to sell it to fund the restoration of the burned-out wing. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> martyr@gti.net 08/24/03 11:59pm >>> If anyone is interested in historic costume auctions (or just the pretty catalogs), Castle Howard, a fairly famous museum in the UK with a notable costume collection, is apparently having a house sale. I am not sure of the details or what is featured in the sale, but the Sotheby's web site is offering a catalog for a "house sale" at Castle Howard on October 7th. There is a picture of an embroidered 18th century waistcoat on the cover of the catalog...plus the contact person for the sale is the specialist for the Costume & Textiles department, so it is probably safe to say the sale has a good amount of such items...It's around $28 US. BTW I am NOT affiliated with Sothebys. Cheers, Deb R. Here are some Sothebys URLs: Sotheby's Auctions Calendar single owner sale - castle howard: http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/event/EventDetail.jsp?event_id=26373 Sotheby's Auctions Specialist Departments house sales: http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=102 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 07:56:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QBunV5026702 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QBtKdD026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QBtIRM020672; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QBtFRM020602 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7QBZH029252 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F4B4A86.C2076AC1@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:54:46 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perfect outfit References: <7C2FBD2E-D0DD-11D7-9646-00039369A97A@wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO and at least one opportunity for posing thoughtfully on a windy cliff.... --sue, indulging in her own fantasy moment.... Heather Meadows wrote: > > yes yes! with lots of moor-stomping and long angry walks, so we can > run into tall handsome men... > > *ahem* sorry, total fantasy moment. > > .heather. > > On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:24 PM, KATHRYN WOLTERS wrote: > > > And my fantasy would be an orchestrated event --at which I could wear > > an entire wardrobe of Regency clothes over the course of an entire > > week at some country manor :) Maybe a dozen or so other people > > participating. There would be all sorts of outings, pic-nics, riding, > > etc . And I would need not only a good ladies' maid --but an excellent > > butler and cook , as well:)LOL! > > Albra > > > > Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > At 1:19 AM -0700 8/15/03, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >>>> If y'all had the chance to make one "perfect outfit," and had up to > >>>> 2 > >>>> years to complete it, what would you make, and why? This can be a > >>>> special costume, or garb, or a very special dress. > >>> > >>> I don't really have a fantasy about one "perfect outfit." But > >>> sometimes I > >>> *do* fantasize about being able to invest serious time into a high > >>> accuracy > >>> Viking wardrobe. > >> > >> Yeah, like she said. I'd want a whole weekend's worth of > >> Edwardians, including changing clothes for several daytime > >> activities and night-time ones, plus traveling clothes to get to the > >> event and back, plus night-wear and a peignoir, and, of course, > >> underwear and petticoats, hats, purses, shoes, etc. > > > > And that essential accessory ... a lady's maid! > > > > Heather > > -- > > ***** > > Heather Rose Jones > > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > > ***** > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 09:27:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QDR1V5027906 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:27:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QDPVdD000180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QDPU07027944; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QDPQ08027846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 19rdlt-0001Oy-RH; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:22:05 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 19rdkU-0002Rz-00; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:20:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:20:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Kate M Bunting Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Howard Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7QDPQ08027846 cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a costume book entitled "Costume at Castle Howard" covers 18th through early 20th Century costumes. Katy On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Kate M Bunting wrote: >I heard an item about this on BBC Radio 4 last week. >Castle Howard is actually a historic house, famous as the setting for the 1980s TV version of "Brideshead Revisited". One wing of the house was burnt out in the 1940s. Apparently the Howard family started the costume collection in recent decades, and it starts with the late 18th century and includes a lot of modern costumes - they used to ask people they met who wore distinctive clothing, such as bikers, to pass discarded garments on to them. However, the collection has not been on display to the public, and because of the expense of storing the clothes in suitable conditions, the owners have decided to sell it to fund the restoration of the burned-out wing. > > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby > >>>> martyr@gti.net 08/24/03 11:59pm >>> >If anyone is interested in historic costume auctions (or just the pretty >catalogs), Castle Howard, a fairly famous museum in the UK with a >notable costume collection, is apparently having a house sale. I am not >sure of the details or what is featured in the sale, but the Sotheby's >web site is offering a catalog for a "house sale" at Castle Howard on >October 7th. There is a picture of an embroidered 18th century waistcoat >on the cover of the catalog...plus the contact person for the sale is >the specialist for the Costume & Textiles department, so it is probably >safe to say the sale has a good amount of such items...It's around $28 >US. BTW I am NOT affiliated with Sothebys. >Cheers, >Deb R. > > >Here are some Sothebys URLs: > >Sotheby's Auctions Calendar >single owner sale - castle howard: >http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/event/EventDetail.jsp?event_id=26373 > >Sotheby's Auctions Specialist Departments >house sales: >http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=102 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >________________________________________________________________________ >This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email >Security System. For more information on a proactive email security >service working around the clock, around the globe, visit >http://www.messagelabs.com >________________________________________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 10:25:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QEPcV5028719 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QEOHdD003339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QEOG6F029099; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QEOD6F029030 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD1C2160000A4 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:24:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000e01c36bdd$b16d9880$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Howard Auction Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:24:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I understand it is a unique collection, specialising in the clothing of ordinary people. Linda Walton. Katy Bishop wrote:- > I have a costume book entitled "Costume at Castle Howard" covers 18th > through early 20th Century costumes. > > Katy > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > >I heard an item about this on BBC Radio 4 last week. > >Castle Howard is actually a historic house, famous as the setting for the 1980s TV version of "Brideshead Revisited". One wing of the house was burnt out in the 1940s. Apparently the Howard family started the costume collection in recent decades, and it starts with the late 18th century and includes a lot of modern costumes - they used to ask people they met who wore distinctive clothing, such as bikers, to pass discarded garments on to them. However, the collection has not been on display to the public, and because of the expense of storing the clothes in suitable conditions, the owners have decided to sell it to fund the restoration of the burned-out wing. > > > > > >Kate Bunting > >Library, University of Derby > > > >>>> martyr@gti.net 08/24/03 11:59pm >>> > >If anyone is interested in historic costume auctions (or just the pretty > >catalogs), Castle Howard, a fairly famous museum in the UK with a > >notable costume collection, is apparently having a house sale. I am not > >sure of the details or what is featured in the sale, but the Sotheby's > >web site is offering a catalog for a "house sale" at Castle Howard on > >October 7th. There is a picture of an embroidered 18th century waistcoat > >on the cover of the catalog...plus the contact person for the sale is > >the specialist for the Costume & Textiles department, so it is probably > >safe to say the sale has a good amount of such items...It's around $28 > >US. BTW I am NOT affiliated with Sothebys. > >Cheers, > >Deb R. > > > > > >Here are some Sothebys URLs: > > > >Sotheby's Auctions Calendar > >single owner sale - castle howard: > >http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/event/EventDetail.jsp?event_id=26373 > > > >Sotheby's Auctions Specialist Departments > >house sales: > >http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/dept/DeptGlobal.jsp?dept_id=102 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 11:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QFRFV5029908 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QFPldD007991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QFPh2m012399; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QFPd2m012334 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7QFPuf18909.; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:25:37 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:24:58 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [H-COST] Forehead cloth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Some time ago we discussed the function of the forehead cloth (a triangular piece of linen worn in conjunction with the 17th century coif). Well, at the weekend I tried wearing one. My hair is so thick and straight that I have to wear a fringe (bangs) even though it's not appropriate for period hairstyles, and I always found that it gradually pushed the coif round sideways so that I was constantly tugging at one side to straighten it. With a cloth tied round my head under the coif I was comfortable all day. I shall definitely wear one in future! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 12:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QGdtV5030923 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QGcedD014608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QGcc0g012257; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QGca0g012219 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip15.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.15]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79E16AA89 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:38:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not Message-ID: <3F4B2A97.8963.8905AEB@localhost> Priority: normal References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This brings me to a thing I have occasionally been wondering about: > the possible lines on the bodice in La Belle Ferronniere (by da > Vinci). They are arranged in a way boning might be, them seem to have > thickness (the point where two of those lines cross looks thicker) and > do not seem to be very decorative. > The portrait can be found at: > http://leo.skyar.com/belle.htm To me it looks like she has a striped fabric in the front (giving the vertical lines) and the seams and neckline is trimmed (which was very common) giving the other lines. It was both a decorative and a functional treatment in that by trimming the seams you make them stronger. (You can see this in many late 15th C and 16th C dresses. Look through Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620 for examples in extant garments.) This one doesn't need to be boned. That isn't to say that it isn't interlined to give it a smooth line, but I've seen it made without any bones and coming out just like this. Also, Italy actually was amongst the latest to go from a fitted dress or multilayer bodice to a boned garment. A similar painting to this is the one of Ludovico Sforza and Beatrice d'Este (I couldn't find a web copy of it but it's on page 40 of Jacqueline Herald's Renaissance Dress in Italy 1400-1500. Detail of the dress on page 221.) Most of the Italian dresses from the Spanish influenced area Italy seem to have similar styling. They all appear to have fitted under dresses similar to what is described as a "fitted Gothic dress". (Often you can see the edges of the underdress even.) Also, J. Herald, RDiI: page 195 (sorry, I couldn't find it on the web). Some that are on the web: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=1195+0+none http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/a/araldi/index.html Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 14:27:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QIRkV5032095 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QIGYdD023354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QIGVgi003233; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QIGRgi003175 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:16:27 -0600 (MDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:16:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question regarding Janet Arnold/QEWU Thread-Index: AcNr/homIkD8+9eSEdetKQCw0LEy7w== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7QIGRgi003175 Subject: [h-cost] Question regarding Janet Arnold/QEWU X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forwarded by request. Please direct any responses to tandb (at) drizzle.com as Teresa is not on this list currently. Thanks! Colleen ************************************************************************************************** Good Morning! I am in search of someone who worked with Janet Arnold while she was researching/writing "Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd." I have a question about a piece pictured in the Folger Inventory index. Her description and dates differ slightly from the V&A's and I am interested in how the discrepancy happened. Thank you in advance for your willingness to help! Teresa Kellmer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 15:16:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QJGeV5000477 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QJFXdD028184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QJFUio020563; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QJFSio020522 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 077DE37F71; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:15:26 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: <3F4B2A97.8963.8905AEB@localhost> Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <3F4B2A97.8963.8905AEB@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > To me it looks like she has a striped fabric in the front (giving the > vertical lines) and the seams and neckline is trimmed (which was very > common) giving the other lines. Trimmed with something that exactly matches the stripes on the fabric? Yes, trimming was common, but I do not remember seeing it done in quite so matching way. (I'm not saying those are bones, just wondering if they are.) In a closer picture, which is somewhere in http://www.artchive.com/ you can see some vague stripes on the sleeve as well. > This one doesn't need to be boned. That isn't to say that it isn't > interlined to give it a smooth line, but I've seen it made without > any bones and coming out just like this. Yes, I know that, hair canvas is a charm. I guess I was just fooled by the weird shape the lines made and not seeing the dress from waist down. > Some that are on the web: > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=1195+0+none > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/a/araldi/index.html Thanks for the lovely pictures. I couldn't get the second one to open as a larger picture. Does it work for someone? -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 16:37:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QKbsV5002068 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QKW8dD005022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QKVvwI026134; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-f28.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QKVrwI025941 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:31:47 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.121 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:31:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.121] X-Originating-Email: [distantdesigns@hotmail.com] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:31:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 20:31:47.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[12A28330:01C36C11] Subject: [h-cost] temp unsub X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How to I get myself taken off list for five days? My Grandmother in law is dieing and we have to go see her, but I don't want my hotmail acct to start bouncing things while I'm away. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 17:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLHlV5002826 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLGmdD008888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLGiIV006202; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLGgIV006171 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19rlBB-000Lkx-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:16:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:05:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [H-COST] Headwear discoveries WAS Forehead cloth References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations Kate - experimental archaeology triumphs again :-) I made a similar discovery at the weekend, which I shall have to work on some more. I have recently taken to wearing an undercap to pin my 12th century veils into, which really keeps them where they're put, and without visible means of support, as per the illustrations. This weekend we were 1215, so I went for a separate wimple round the neck plus circular veil. Everything was slithering and blowing about, so I put a band round my forehead and under my bun, and pinned the wimple to it just in front of my ears. It stayed all day without readjusting, and minimum wispiness! I'm going to see if this is a route to something tighter around the neck than I have been able to achieve with my previous technique, which was pinned on top of the head. Jean Kate M Bunting wrote >Some time ago we discussed the function of the forehead cloth (a >triangular piece of linen worn in conjunction with the 17th century >coif). Well, at the weekend I tried wearing one. My hair is so thick and >straight that I have to wear a fringe (bangs) even though it's not >appropriate for period hairstyles, and I always found that it gradually >pushed the coif round sideways so that I was constantly tugging at one >side to straighten it. With a cloth tied round my head under the coif I >was comfortable all day. I shall definitely wear one in future! > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 17:40:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLeYV5003329 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLdHdD011026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLdDIV026174; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.thibault.org [66.92.75.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QLd8IW026044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sergyar.thibault.org (sergyar.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by sergyar.thibault.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7QLivoP017528 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:57 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by sergyar.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F4BD3A0.1010501@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:39:44 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [H-COST] Headwear discoveries WAS Forehead cloth References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > I have recently taken to wearing an undercap to pin my 12th > century veils into, which really keeps them where they're put, and > without visible means of support, as per the illustrations. Interesting! Doesn't the undercap slip around? Is it particularly fitted? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr Argent Medieval baby-in-a-walker toddler T-shirt: http://store.virtue.to _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 26 18:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QMC2V5004067 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QMB0dD013760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QMAvtc022856; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7QMArtc022768 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KatHouse (ip80.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.80]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8FD6AB50 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:10:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not Message-ID: <3F4B787C.4417.9C0A135@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3F4B2A97.8963.8905AEB@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > To me it looks like she has a striped fabric in the front (giving > > the vertical lines) and the seams and neckline is trimmed (which was > > very common) giving the other lines. > > Trimmed with something that exactly matches the stripes on the fabric? > Yes, trimming was common, but I do not remember seeing it done in > quite so matching way. (I'm not saying those are bones, just wondering > if they are.) Probably trimmed with the same fabric as the dress itself. > In a closer picture, which is somewhere in http://www.artchive.com/ > you can see some vague stripes on the sleeve as well. Which makes it even more likely that it was trimmed with the same fabric. > > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/a/araldi/index.html > > Thanks for the lovely pictures. I couldn't get the second one to open > as a larger picture. Does it work for someone? It opened for me. I don't know why it didn't open. Perhaps you could try again. 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Knauf" writes: > Just unsubscribe and resubscribe as described here: > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -----Original Message----- > > > How to I get myself taken off list for five days? My Grandmother in > law is > dieing and we have to go see her, but I don't want my hotmail acct > to start > bouncing things while I'm away. Or better yet, set your options to "no mail" temporarily. I can't remember exactly how to get there and do it, but it's through the main page for indra. I know it can be done, because I set one list to "no mail" and then forgot to set it back for the whole of the local Ren Faire season. And it's alot less hassle than unsubbing and resubbing. 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 01:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7R58eV5015000 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:08:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7R548dD006416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7R5464V003790; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7R5414V003742 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7R53x2b029351 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:03:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030827000405.03328dc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:06:42 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:38 AM 8/26/2003 +0300, you wrote: >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > > Well, I would say no corset, just a well fitting kirtle underneath. From > > what I remember correctly (Drea back me up on this) - the earliest > > references to corsets (or boned bodies of any sort) is in the > > 1550s. However, from that time period there are references to bodices > > lined with "buckram." Does that help? > >This brings me to a thing I have occasionally been wondering about: the >possible lines on the bodice in La Belle Ferronniere (by da Vinci). They >are arranged in a way boning might be, them seem to have thickness (the >point where two of those lines cross looks thicker) and do not seem to be >very decorative. > >The portrait can be found at: >http://leo.skyar.com/belle.htm >-- >Lynoure Rajamaki >lynoure@tuug.fi Well, I couldn't see much detail in that picture but to me it is clear there is a bust curve which would suggest no boning. What came to mind for me for those ridges was trapunto, especially since they seem to be on the sleeves as well. I don't know how early it was done in Italy however. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 16:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RKKfV5006290 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RKJFdD024442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RKJ9oq001947; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RKJ5oq001883 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19s6kz-0001OF-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:19:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [H-COST] Headwear discoveries WAS Forehead cloth References: <3F4BD3A0.1010501@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <3F4BD3A0.1010501@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I say undercap... what I use is sort of like a linen headscarf. It has a straight strip sewn to a semicircular piece, and the strip extends a few inches beyond the semicircle at the ends. The pattern's like a very small apron. I put the band across my forehead, pull it round, tuck the semicircle in at the back and pin the strip, which I find gets a tighter fit than tying it. I made this style by starting from a square piece and getting my husband to hack off the corners where they stuck out :-0 One of my friends uses a sprang hairnet instead, and, depending on where you want to pin things, you might get away with just a band tied or pinned from forehead to nape. Jean Cynthia Virtue wrote >Jean Waddie wrote: >> I have recently taken to wearing an undercap to pin my 12th century >>veils into, which really keeps them where they're put, and without >>visible means of support, as per the illustrations. > >Interesting! Doesn't the undercap slip around? Is it particularly fitted? > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 17:50:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RLouV5008801 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:50:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RLnTdD003389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RLklsF024252; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RLkgsF024132 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from the-new-beast.jb-av.com ([138.89.94.120]) by pop016.verizon.netESMTP <20030827214636.BBQY10125.pop016.verizon.net@the-new-beast.jb-av.com> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:46:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030827174454.02e7a508@incoming.verizon.net> X-Sender: margeneb@incoming.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:46:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "Genie L. Barrett" Subject: Re: [h-cost] blackwork questions Re: 1st batch V&A photos: In-Reply-To: <000701c366cc$03a4cf40$f3cdadcb@michaela> References: <20030815212517.22754.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [138.89.94.120] at Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:46:36 -0500 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In the heat of battle, michaela was heard to exclaim: >Thank you:) > >Now I do have a question about the blackworked shift. Drea says: >"This smock is of fine white linen, embroidered with black silk (probably >from Spain, according to the V&A) in stem, back and darning stitches with >buttonhole fillings. The body and sleeves were made of a very fine silk, >while the skirt (now missing--what's seen in the picture is a modern >replacement) was made of a coarser linen. The lace is also a modern >reproduction, copied from a period piece." Yes, I think the "silk" is a typo. I think it is supposed to say linen. It sure doesn't look like linen in any of the pictures. Genie B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 19:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RNwQV5011933 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:58:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RNvIdD018116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RNvF89007395; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RNvC89007343 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sAA3-0001fY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:57:11 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:57:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36cf6$eef25780$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7RNwQV5011933 Status: RO While attending our local art museum exhibit I saw another patron with the coolest tie up shoes ever! Their toes were pointed and curled up! I pointed at them and said I wanted them and then asked where she had gotten them - Italy of course! Her husband accused her of paying me to say that. He had asked her "Are you really going to wear those?" Has anyone else seen them or know where I can get some? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 20:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S0xuV5013355 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S0x9dD024801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S0x7UV012892; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S0x4UV012849 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-031.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.31] helo=pavilion) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sB7v-0005EX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c36cff$d5b0cd20$1f0677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030826072203.58993.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:00:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nicole wrote: > > Lisa, he is wearing the ORDER of the Garter! This is NOT a normal garter, not > at all, and it is only worn on one knee. It is blue and brocaded with the > garter inscription. Well that makes a great deal of sense. Do you know of any extant Order of the Garter, garters? Or perhaps any good links discussing them? Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 21:49:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S1nqV5014698 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:49:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S1mWdD027065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S1mVUV007644; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eav.gti.net (eav.gti.net [206.67.179.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S1mRUV007594 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr068.gti.net [208.216.122.8]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 67688354A7 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F4D5F66.CD320B9A@gti.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:48:22 -0400 From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! References: <000001c36cf6$eef25780$6501a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you talking about poulaine-style shoes? Polaines were a medieval era shoe. You can buy them stock or have them custom made by an historic shoemaker. Or were they modern designer shoes? For example, I have Kate Spade sandals that are pointy & curl up at the toe. I guess they are poulaine inspired yet decidedly modern. All the best shoes & leather goods in general come from Italy. Deb R. > While attending our local art museum exhibit I saw another patron with the > coolest tie up shoes ever! Their toes were pointed and curled up! I > pointed at them and said I wanted them and then asked where she had gotten > them - Italy of course! > > Her husband accused her of paying me to say that. He had asked her "Are you > really going to wear those?" Has anyone else seen them or know where I can > get some? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 22:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S2MGV5015386 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:22:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S2LGdD028491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S2LEeI023085; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S2LCeI023070 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sCPP-0004Zl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:21:11 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:21:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c36d0b$0cf49810$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F4D5F66.CD320B9A@gti.net> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These were modern. As a matter of fact they kinda looked like this: http://4yourfeet.safeshopper.com/162/517.htm?706 only with pointed, curled toes. If the toe were uncurled they would probably extend about 4 inches beyond where the toes end. I will try to look for Kate Spade shoes...thanks -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of martyr@gti.net Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! Are you talking about poulaine-style shoes? Polaines were a medieval era shoe. You can buy them stock or have them custom made by an historic shoemaker. Or were they modern designer shoes? For example, I have Kate Spade sandals that are pointy & curl up at the toe. I guess they are poulaine inspired yet decidedly modern. All the best shoes & leather goods in general come from Italy. Deb R. > While attending our local art museum exhibit I saw another patron with > the coolest tie up shoes ever! Their toes were pointed and curled up! > I pointed at them and said I wanted them and then asked where she had > gotten them - Italy of course! > > Her husband accused her of paying me to say that. He had asked her > "Are you really going to wear those?" Has anyone else seen them or > know where I can get some? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 27 23:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S3EiV5016655 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:14:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S3DidD001039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S3DgjR017791; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S3DdjR017757 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-29-159.o1.jps.net ([216.119.29.159] helo=pavilion) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sDE7-0004MG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:13:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c36d12$a05d16c0$9f1d77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c36d0b$0cf49810$6501a8c0@SG01> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:15:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] pendragon shoes brisbane was - Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a small shoe company in Brisbane called Pendragon shoes that may have something you have in mind. They do custom work too. http://www.pendragon.au.com/costume/index.htm Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! > These were modern. As a matter of fact they kinda looked like this: > http://4yourfeet.safeshopper.com/162/517.htm?706 only with pointed, curled > toes. If the toe were uncurled they would probably extend about 4 inches > beyond where the toes end. > > I will try to look for Kate Spade shoes...thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of martyr@gti.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:48 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! > > > Are you talking about poulaine-style shoes? Polaines were a medieval era > shoe. You can buy them stock or have them custom made by an historic > shoemaker. Or were they modern designer shoes? For example, I have Kate > Spade sandals that are pointy & curl up at the toe. I guess they are > poulaine inspired yet decidedly modern. All the best shoes & leather goods > in general come from Italy. Deb R. > > > While attending our local art museum exhibit I saw another patron with > > the coolest tie up shoes ever! Their toes were pointed and curled up! > > I pointed at them and said I wanted them and then asked where she had > > gotten them - Italy of course! > > > > Her husband accused her of paying me to say that. He had asked her > > "Are you really going to wear those?" Has anyone else seen them or > > know where I can get some? > > > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 00:25:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S4PgV5018645 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S4OidD005093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S4Oh18020295; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S4Ob18020259 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from stilskin (dialup-a1-236.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.246.236])h7S4OUeZ038631 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:24:35 +1000 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pendragon shoes brisbane was - Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:30:11 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000b01c36d12$a05d16c0$9f1d77d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We make them to order (our cobbler is an orthopedic shoemaker who gets bored), between 100-200 Australian dollars. Also patent leather and tapestry shoes with personalised designs, bulb-toe clown shoes, and wrestling/calf-lenth boots Prices between seventy-five and two-fifty bucks. Christopher Ballis, general manager, Weard 316 High St., Northcote, 3070 Australia Tel. (03)9486 2777 +61 3 9486 2777 E-mail. stilskin@netspace.net.au www.Weard.com.au with pointed, curled > toes. If the toe were uncurled they would probably extend about 4 inches > beyond where the toes end. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 05:04:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S94sV5027228 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S93QdD014192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S93N8G004453; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7S93K8G004430 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h7S93cf05068.; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:18 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:09 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops and canions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A quick Google search brings up http://www.heraldicsculptor.com/Garters.html among others. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Lisa-list@threadneedlest.com 08/28/03 02:00am >>> Nicole wrote: > > Lisa, he is wearing the ORDER of the Garter! This is NOT a normal garter, not > at all, and it is only worn on one knee. It is blue and brocaded with the > garter inscription. Well that makes a great deal of sense. Do you know of any extant Order of the Garter, garters? Or perhaps any good links discussing them? Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 06:43:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SAhIV5001299 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SAgQdD017677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SAgP57004917; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SAgM57004867 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h7SAgup15759 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200308281042.h7SAgup15759@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Coolest Italian shoes-I want some! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: > > These were modern. As a matter of fact they kinda looked like this: > http://4yourfeet.safeshopper.com/162/517.htm?706 only with pointed, curled > toes. If the toe were uncurled they would probably extend about 4 inches > beyond where the toes end. Not as an extreme a curled toe, but duck-toed english clogs: http://gw.retro.com/employees/lee/Morris/clog1.jpg (my dance clogs, in fact) Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 11:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SFZIV5010158 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SFYEdD003193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SFY7m8025587; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SFY3m8025460 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ACBBE617 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:33:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F4E21D4.8040005@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:37:56 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 1885 dress Fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Are dresses from 1885 always made out of silk or can I also use cotton? The dress is for doing archery. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 12:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SG7LV5011308 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SG50dD005835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SG4jRT019111; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SG4fRT018978 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.37.3d42a714 (4459) for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37.3d42a714.2c7f8205@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:04:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1885 dress Fabric? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/28/2003 11:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > Are dresses from 1885 always made out of silk or can I also use cotton? > The dress is for doing archery. > Of course they aren't ALL silk. I have seen some real ones made from cotton. The one that comes to mind was the weight of sheeting and was a grey and pink stripe. It was in 3 pieces, a bodice that buttoned down the front, draped overskirt and an underskirt with 3 rows of narrow bias ruffles at the hem. Also I actually have a white cotton mull bustle ensemble. You should check out the film "The Bostonians" which is actually 1876 but they go to the sea shore and wear all kinds of cotton things. Also there is this kinda health craze in the bustle period, which is why women are doing archery in the 1st place, that somehow involves wool. Wool was considered healthy for all sports activities regardless of the time of year. You might consider a light "summer" wool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 12:19:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SGJdV5011732 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SGIOdD006996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SGINRT000151; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SGIIRT000105 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AA9A14700F2; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:15:25 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1885 dress Fabric? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:18:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c36d80$046fc0a0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F4E21D4.8040005@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OF COURSE you can use cotton! Or linen or wool. Or any blend of those with silk. There were thousands of cotton prints available at the time, plus plaids and stripes were popular. Combining 2 or more fabrics in one costume was typical. Necklines were high and tight, sleeves were fitted and a TINY bit short of the wrist, probably with a cuff. A corset is required. Skirt would probably be 2 layers--a draped overskirt or apron, woth a pleated underskirt. Bodice and skirt are constructed separately. Use hooks and eyes to keep the bodice from riding up. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:38 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1885 dress Fabric? Hi, Are dresses from 1885 always made out of silk or can I also use cotton? The dress is for doing archery. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 15:31:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SJV2V5017552 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:31:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SJTndD024411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SJTjwF008682; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web80104.mail.yahoo.com (web80104.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7SJTiwF008664 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030828192943.72466.qmail@web80104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.198.142.39] by web80104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:29:43 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Fleury To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200308281803.h7SI3nlw028575@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] Re: order of the garter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lisa, here are a couple links about the order of the garter. The first is someone who makes them for sale-I saw one of them just last week at Long Beach Faire. The second is a link to the gallery section of my guild's website. The man in the first picture on the 2nd and 3rd rows is wearing a garter made by me-neither of these pictures are closeups, unfortunately and it's been worn to death so I don't dare take a photo until I've made him a new one. I hand-embroidered it and it only took a few hours. The other men who are wearing blue garters with gold fringe are wearing what is known as a "boot garter" which is described as having been blue satin with gold fringe, tied about the left knee on occasions when the KG is riding or wearing boots. http://www.stgeorge-va.com/garter.htm http://www.guildofstaugustine.org/long_beach_2003_gallery.htm Jennifer Fleury Guild Master 2003-2004 The Guild of St. Augustine www.guildofstaugustine.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 20:42:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T0fxV5025116 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T0fAdD017383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T0f470021612; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10406.mail.yahoo.com (web10406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7T0f170021595 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.17.149.13] by web10406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:41:01 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Claudine Wong To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a little searching on the web but haven't seen anything that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? Thanks bunches, Claudine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:20:51 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c36dcb$c97e9290$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Weard! - was Coolest Italian shoes-Iwant some! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love that name! Is it old English? My girlfriend and I wanted to call our 'business' The Weird Sisters...I wasn't for it much, but now that I have seen this spelling...I am all for it! Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Ballis Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] pendragon shoes brisbane was - Coolest Italian shoes-Iwant some! We make them to order (our cobbler is an orthopedic shoemaker who gets bored), between 100-200 Australian dollars. Also patent leather and tapestry shoes with personalised designs, bulb-toe clown shoes, and wrestling/calf-lenth boots Prices between seventy-five and two-fifty bucks. Christopher Ballis, general manager, Weard 316 High St., Northcote, 3070 Australia Tel. (03)9486 2777 +61 3 9486 2777 E-mail. stilskin@netspace.net.au www.Weard.com.au with pointed, curled > toes. If the toe were uncurled they would probably extend about 4 > inches beyond where the toes end. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 21:31:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1VPV5026330 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:31:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1StdD019599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1Ssv9015094; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1Spv9015072 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-11-27.smf.jps.net ([216.119.11.27] helo=pavilion) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sY4I-0007gD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c36dcd$2ae0ba80$1b0b77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:30:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't have an answer to your question, but nice to meet you! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudine Wong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? > Hello everyone, > > I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > > I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am > wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > little searching on the web but haven't seen anything > that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? > > > > > Thanks bunches, > Claudine > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 21:35:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1ZUV5026435 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:35:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1YwdD019840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1Yuv9017930; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1Yrv9017905 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sYA8-00062L-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:34:53 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c36dcd$c0368e70$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7T1Yrv9017905 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks reminiscent of something Folkwear patterns has, but it escapes me. Try checking www.folkwear.com Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Claudine Wong Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:41 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Hello everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a little searching on the web but haven't seen anything that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? Thanks bunches, Claudine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 21:38:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1cpV5026523 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:38:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1cEdD020048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1cDv9019592; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1aovB018845 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003082901364501200aml9fe>; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:36:46 +0000 Message-ID: <02b101c36dcd$ff530520$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A better picture to dissect is : http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?designId=8154 where they take it apart in pieces and let you see it in its individual parts. From here you can easily see what it is. 1. A basic veil 2. A fringed shawl 3. A simple sleeveless cropped V-necked top 4. A simple cap sleeve cropped V-necked top with fringe cuffs and hem 5. A simple ruffled skirt 6. A sectioned skirt that is mid calf length 7. A laced up waist cincher 8. Harem pants Where do you find them all together like this? Ok, someone else take the lead on that one cause all I can think of is "I Dream of Jeanie", a pajama party (a really fun one that I want to go to right now with lots of rum!!!), and not much else. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudine Wong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? : Hello everyone, : : I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure : someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns : were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: : : http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg : : I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am : wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a : little searching on the web but haven't seen anything : that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and : colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy : panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and : girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, : either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? : : : : : Thanks bunches, : Claudine : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software : http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 21:55:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1tTV5026952 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1sodD020807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1snv9026662; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1skv9026639 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h7T1tjE21377 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200308290155.h7T1tjE21377@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Claudine Wong wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > > I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am > wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > little searching on the web but haven't seen anything > that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? Tribal belly dance. The right top costume would be a very basic cabaret outfit, the lower right looks more like a short-sleeved choli (indian garment usually worn under a sari) and a non-tiered skirt. Left costume looks like a panneled double-circle skirt, harem pants, then the weird top. I think they're trying for a gypsy look. More common would be to have a hip belt (mirrored, embroidered or tasseled) and a short vest/bodice. Notice their vest doesn't close, which is actually a greek style. A turkish or egyptian vest would close in the front. The waist cincher thing is a "whatever" since it'd be in the way for most oriental dancers. >From Atira's fashions, Turkish-Macedonian vest: http://www.atirasfashions.com/images/NO07A.GIF Turkish-Arab vest (actually, this is also an old egyptian style): http://www.atirasfashions.com/images/NO11A.GIF Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 21:59:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1x2V5027023 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1wTdD021014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T1wTxr028399; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12007.mail.yahoo.com (web12007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.215]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7T1wRxr028371 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030829015827.76566.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.224] by web12007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:58:27 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear 151/synthetic suede help/Minbari costume help needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Sorry for the crowded header but I need some help on several things right now with a 3 day weekend coming up. I'm making the hakama from Folkwear 151 out of synthetic suede. They're for my daughter for regular school so the fabric she picked out is the choice and that's as authentic as I need. The synthetic suede is about the same weight as the silk brocade we were looking at so I think the weight will work but I have never worked with synthetic suede before and need HELP. And I do mean everything from cutting and pinning to seam allowances. Do I lap the seams and embroider them to hold them down or do I do right sides together like a lighter weight fabric? Has anyone made the Folkwear 151 before and has any advice on the making up? Same daughter wishes to be a Minbari for Halloween. She's been checking for stills on-line and I already knew that the Minbari had an Oriental flair to their clothing but I could use some help on how many layers, what kind of neckline and overlaps and if anyone has an official pattern or an unofficial pattern. Would any of the Folkwear patterns do and in what order would they be worn? Thanks all for the help I'm sure I'll get. Cassandra __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 28 23:45:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T3jRV5029921 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T3j3dD026026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T3j0IN017355; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T3iuIN017325 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-176.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.176] helo=pavilion) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19saBz-0002Wt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c36de0$2e9dc7e0$b00677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030828192943.72466.qmail@web80104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: order of the garter Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:46:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for these links, and Kate too! The St. George-VA garter is beautiful! Your's is too small to see, as you said, but your group as a whole looks to be of a very high quality. What fun! I made a couple of tablet woven garters, plain though, as my first attempt at tablet weaving. They were quite easy to do and didn't take all that long either. I'll have to look into 16th century garters now a bit more. Thanks again, Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Fleury" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: order of the garter > Lisa, > here are a couple links about the order of the garter. The first is someone who makes them for sale-I saw one of them just last week at Long Beach Faire. The second is a link to the gallery section of my guild's website. The man in the first picture on the 2nd and 3rd rows is wearing a garter made by me-neither of these pictures are closeups, unfortunately and it's been worn to death so I don't dare take a photo until I've made him a new one. I hand-embroidered it and it only took a few hours. The other men who are wearing blue garters with gold fringe are wearing what is known as a "boot garter" which is described as having been blue satin with gold fringe, tied about the left knee on occasions when the KG is riding or wearing boots. > > http://www.stgeorge-va.com/garter.htm > http://www.guildofstaugustine.org/long_beach_2003_gallery.htm > > > > > > > Jennifer Fleury > Guild Master 2003-2004 > The Guild of St. Augustine > www.guildofstaugustine.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 03:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7BqV5026880 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7AndD003934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7Al6L006244; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7Ah6L006192 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660F4BEA81 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F4EFD5C.4000005@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:14:36 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1885 dress Fabric? References: <37.3d42a714.2c7f8205@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for the information! Now I can look for the colour I want and hunt for fabric :-) Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 03:24:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7OKV5031094 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7MBdD004224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7MA6L010172; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T7M66L010131 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CE519FB91 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F4F0009.9080602@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26:01 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not/ Pattern? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030827000405.03328dc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thank you all for the information. We will make her dress with a fitted dress underneed and stiifen the overgown. But I have still one question. I found a pattern in a book from such a gown. Origionally it is from the tailors book of Enns. It is a weird construktion and I wonder if it is right for this dress. Dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg Pattern http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Enns.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 05:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T9p4V5009149 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T9oPdD008414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T9oM7d023350; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7T9oI7d023330 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p7-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.71] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19sftY-0007pG-00; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:50:16 +1200 Message-ID: <004901c36e12$f1104d70$47ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com><5.0.0.25.2.20030825230759.02dec9e0@pop-server.mn.rr.com><5.0.0.25.2.20030827000405.03328dc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <3F4F0009.9080602@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not/ Pattern? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:50:11 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > But I have still one question. > I found a pattern in a book from such a gown. > Origionally it is from the tailors book of Enns. It is a weird > construktion and I wonder if it is right for this dress. Well it's from 1590 it says so I'm a bit confused;) Or was it a 1590s book full of historical patterns. I wouldn't use it. If you look at tapestries etc of the time the back of the dresses are cut in two pieces a bodice and a skirt, and the skirt is usually pleated (rather than gathered I mean). It's very similar to the cut I used for my leyden dress: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/leyden.htm Except that mine opens centre front (and is a wide open front at that). I cut my ca1500 blue dress (it's just cut out, not even close to be sewn) using the pattern for my leyden dress actually. And the way I cut it is very fabric conservative too;). I am actually just waiting to be able to download some photos I took yesterday of some pictures in books. One of which shows the back of a dress like this (set in the same time but the tapestry was woven around 1510) and the back has trim either side of the side back. I'm thinking these closed front dresses are side back laced like where this trim sits. The pattern also has pleats at each seam which I can't see in the painting and a curved centre front, while the gown you want to do has a flat front with no centre front seam. Actually.. if you were to use it, it wouldn't be hard to adapt, just cut the back piece into a skirt and bodice section and widen the skirt part so you can pleat it. Then for the font you can put the centre front on the fold. And alter the neckline of course. Oh the backs of the gowns I've seen so far seem to be square. So that's different to my Leyden dress. The sleeves are pretty good for some of those sleeves from dresses just a few years later as they are that full. But for yours of course just trim them a bit. I need to fix the kirtle neckline and get new photos of it. I have my new ties all done too. Then again I need to work on my 1920s coat, my Anna Meyer Gown, my teal Monster German Ren, my Pink Tudor.... and of course my Blue Flemish like this one;) > Dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg > Pattern > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Enns.jpg michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 07:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBfqV5011798 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBfJdD011266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBfFJr000537; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBfEJr000527 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.223.75.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.223.75] helo=Dan) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19shcv-0005IU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c36e22$cb909720$4bdf4bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030829015827.76566.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 151/synthetic suede help/Minbari costume help needed Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, in answer to your second question, Folkwear has a Tibetan panel coat that will work for the long sleeveless overrobe. Genie H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cascio Michael" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear 151/synthetic suede help/Minbari costume help needed > Hi all, > Sorry for the crowded header but I need some help on > several things right now with a 3 day weekend coming > up. > I'm making the hakama from Folkwear 151 out of > synthetic suede. They're for my daughter for regular > school so the fabric she picked out is the choice and > that's as authentic as I need. The synthetic suede is > about the same weight as the silk brocade we were > looking at so I think the weight will work but I have > never worked with synthetic suede before and need > HELP. And I do mean everything from cutting and > pinning to seam allowances. Do I lap the seams and > embroider them to hold them down or do I do right > sides together like a lighter weight fabric? Has > anyone made the Folkwear 151 before and has any advice > on the making up? > Same daughter wishes to be a Minbari for Halloween. > She's been checking for stills on-line and I already > knew that the Minbari had an Oriental flair to their > clothing but I could use some help on how many layers, > what kind of neckline and overlaps and if anyone has > an official pattern or an unofficial pattern. Would > any of the Folkwear patterns do and in what order > would they be worn? > Thanks all for the help I'm sure I'll get. > Cassandra > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 07:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBgBV5011802 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBffdD011278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBffJr000650; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TBfHJr000522 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A93121B2527 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015a01c36e22$72508990$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> <02b101c36dcd$ff530520$31baee0c@c59303a> Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:41:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks like pure fantasy to me--but I think I know what i will make for Halloween! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "chiara" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? > A better picture to dissect is : > http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?designId=8154 > > where they take it apart in pieces and let you see it in its individual > parts. From here you can easily see what it is. > 1. A basic veil > 2. A fringed shawl > 3. A simple sleeveless cropped V-necked top > 4. A simple cap sleeve cropped V-necked top with fringe cuffs and hem > 5. A simple ruffled skirt > 6. A sectioned skirt that is mid calf length > 7. A laced up waist cincher > 8. Harem pants > > Where do you find them all together like this? > > Ok, someone else take the lead on that one cause all I can think of is "I > Dream of Jeanie", a pajama party (a really fun one that I want to go to > right now with lots of rum!!!), and not much else. > > Chiara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claudine Wong" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:41 PM > Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? > > > : Hello everyone, > : > : I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > : someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > : were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > : > : http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > : > : I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am > : wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > : little searching on the web but haven't seen anything > : that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > : colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > : panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > : girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > : either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? > : > : > : > : > : Thanks bunches, > : Claudine > : > : __________________________________ > : Do you Yahoo!? > : Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > : http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > : _______________________________________________ > : h-costume mailing list > : h-costume@mail.indra.com > : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 08:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TC8pV5012552 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TC89dD012247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TC88UQ009594; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TC86UQ009584 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-171.75.223.75.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net ([171.75.223.75] helo=Dan) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19si2v-0007LN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00df01c36e26$8d3fff20$4bdf4bab@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:10:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I tend to think of this style as Hollywood Harem. A vague nod to reality, but more fantasy than actual clothing. Take a look at Folkwear's Turkish Dancer for something more accurate. Genie H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudine Wong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? > Hello everyone, > > I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > > I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am > wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > little searching on the web but haven't seen anything > that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? > > > > > Thanks bunches, > Claudine > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 09:37:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TDb7V5014901 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TDZkdD016717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TDZiql015105; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7TDZeql015071 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030829133540.47644.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.242.152.154] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:35:40 BST Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:35:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Catalina=20Sanabria=20Rosado?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oddly enough I haven't been able to find a pictures on the web, but this closely resembles what someone brought up on 'I dream of Jeannie' would make after seeing a Gwazi style coat briefly. The Kameez or harem pants are fairly historical. I'm pretty sure the Gwazi coat has at least elbow length sleeves. --- Claudine Wong wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > > I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but > am > wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > little searching on the web but haven't seen > anything > that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? > > > > > Thanks bunches, > Claudine > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 14:05:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TI55V5021217 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TI08dD006698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7THxr7j023873; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7THxo7j023764 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:59:51 -0600 (MDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] simplicity #5359 - what is it? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:59:43 -0700 Message-ID: <445E782ED9213F40922903173696C8848B54DA@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 2, Issue 535 Thread-Index: AcNuK3AcuOLg3N6gSAS4Dq7TYPqYYwAKR3Sg From: "Sunny Buchler" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7THxo7j023764 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's very reminiscent of the Victorian orientialist images of harem girls. I recently did an outfit based on those images -- my main sources were: _Serpent of the Nile: Women and Dance in the Arab World_ by Wendy Buonaventura and Ibrahim Farrah _Women's Costume of the Near and Middle East_ by Jennifer Scarce There were a couple more, but I don't remember their titles, off hand... The Victorian images are 90% fantasy, but they're very pretty! And they do have a tendency to mix all sorts of disparate elements, like the skirt, harem pants, bolero jacket, chemise/blouse thing shown in the simplicity pattern. -sunny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudine Wong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? > Hello everyone, > > I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure > someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns > were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > > I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am > wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a > little searching on the web but haven't seen anything > that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and > colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy > panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and > girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, > either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 17:06:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TL6DV5026589 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:06:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TL0edD021789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TL0crJ014715; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TKxsrJ014172 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:59:55 -0600 (MDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:08:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: More info on Muzzarelli's _Guardaroba medievale_ Thread-Index: AcNuaV77Qvv+A9oYEdetKQCw0LEy7w== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7TKxsrJ014172 Subject: [h-cost] More info on Muzzarelli's _Guardaroba medievale_ X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I have a copy of Maria Giuseppina Muzzarelli's _Guardaroba medieval: vesti E societa dal XIII al XVI secolo_ (Bologna: Il Mulino, 1999 ISBN 88-15-07128-8). I think it was Jean in the UK who was asking for more information. The book is in Italian and as far as I can tell, it has not been translated into English. Ms. Muzzarelli is on the faculty in the department of Letters and Philosophy at the University of Bologna. Here's the description in English (which I think Jadran Kale already sent to the list): This volume describes the history of clothing in the Middle Ages, both in its material nature and in its social uses, the meanings which society then attributed to garments. On the basis of notaries' inventories, shopping lists and other documents of the era, the author illustrates - in a series of authentic cases - the composition of men and women's medieval wardrobes. Types and quantities of attire reveal the various social groups' characteristics. Vivid descriptions allow the reader to experience the processes concerning the production and commerce of clothes, from the shops of craftsmen (dyers, silk-weavers, tanners, shoemakers, tailors) to garment vendors and haberdashers. Special emphasis is placed on the social use of dress: how people dressed on different occasions, how clothes confirmed social status differences, and how the Church and the law attempted (with little success) to place limits on luxury. The chapter titles are: Introduzione 1. Nei cofani 2. Nelle case bolognesi 3. Nelle botteghe 4. Vesti e comportamenti Glossario (of clothing terms) Indice del luoghi (Index of places) Indice dei nomi (Index of names) There are only 19 black and white pictures in the book - grouped together in the center. There is no bibliography, but the book is heavily footnoted throughout. Based on a scan of the sub-headings and the text, it appears that the book focuses on Italy alone. (My reading skills in Italian are not strong - I usually do anything major work with dictionary and translation program nearby.) Given that the footnotes include books on dress in medieval Sicily, ornaments and objects of use in dress in Ravenna inventories of the 14th and 15th centuries, costume and society in Rimini in the 15th century, and inventories of Giulia Leoncini (courtesan in Venice) in the 16th century (to name just a few), I've ordered my own copy of the book for further work in the future. It is available from the publisher for 23 euro (not including shipping and handling). Here a link to the site if folks are interested: http://www.mulino.it/edizioni/volumi/ricerca.php?autore=Muzzarelli&titolo=&id_collana=&id_argomento=0&id_sottoargomento=0&anno=&submit=Ricerca If that doesn't work, go to http://www.mulino.it/edizioni/index.html and click on the "shop" icon. To search, click on "nuova ricera" and enter the title or the author's name. I hope this is helpful to folks. Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 17:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TL6gV5026619 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TKxwdD021691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TKxorJ014118; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TKxmrJ014084 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19sqLT-0009we-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:59:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:57:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicty #5359 - what is it? References: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030829004101.15202.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You do sometimes see people wearing kameez with a very long, full skirted dress - when I say long I mean below the knee, but still showing the trousers. But I would think any traditional costume that favoured trousers covered by skirt would avoid tight shaping and bare skin on the torso. Fantasy harem, I think! Jean Claudine Wong wrote >Hello everyone, > >I'm de-lurking for the first time because I'm sure >someone on the list can answer my question. Patterns >were on sale at Jo-ann, so I picked up this one: > >http://www.simplicity.com/assets/5359/5359.jpg > >I think the outfit on the left is really neat, but am >wondering what in real life it is based on. I did a >little searching on the web but haven't seen anything >that looks quite like this (ignoring the fabrics and >colors, I'm talking about he combination: puffy >panteloons, skirt, gathered blouse, vest, and >girdle-thingy). Have any of you seen such an outfit, >either historical or ethnic, or is it just fantasy? > > > > >Thanks bunches, >Claudine > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 18:14:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TMESV5029119 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:14:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TMDqdD027202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TMDpH5008162; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7TMDmH5008136 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19srV5-0004M4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:13:47 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not/ Pattern? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c36e7a$d486dee0$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F4F0009.9080602@kabelfoon.nl> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7TMDmH5008136 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think what you are seeing as weird are the 'extentions' at the waist which I believe are to be pleated back into the size of the waist. In your picture you can't really see the waist so it is up to conjecture whether that is correct or not. I have seen these types of gowns in pictures but do not remember if there are correct for your period and place. Also the neckline is obviously not correct. I am currious about the pieces called "mouw'" Are those supposed to be sleeves which are already sewn up? Thanks for sharing a very cool thing... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French dress 1496-1498 corset or not/ Pattern? Hi, Thank you all for the information. We will make her dress with a fitted dress underneed and stiifen the overgown. But I have still one question. I found a pattern in a book from such a gown. Origionally it is from the tailors book of Enns. It is a weird construktion and I wonder if it is right for this dress. Dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Tudor.jpg Pattern http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Tudor/Enns.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 29 20:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U0WkV5032751 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U0VsdD005617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U0VrOr008509; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U0VoOr008499 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb136.cvip.net [129.8.204.136]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKE00FNFPGL7V@draco.its.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:18:10 -0700 From: Kimiko Small X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: h-costume@indra.com, dean@costumecollege.org, vampkitty@vampkitty.com, devinedwk@yahoo.com Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829162429.026c80d0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested Subject: [h-cost] Costume College 2003 photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Ok, I admit it, I had these available a few weeks ago, and only now got around to putting these online. I can say it is because I have a one year old that takes up my time, but it's also because I almost forgot about them, and I took five rolls of film! Costume College 2003 Photo Album: http://www.kimiko1.com/CC2003/index.htm Not all the photos I took are online, just the ones of various people from instructors to a few hall photos, to Orientation photos of the CC Staff, to many from the Gala event that were taken on the "red carpet", and the costumes that were in the SF/F display. Unfortunately, I don't know most of the people, so I didn't try to put names to them all, except for the instructors which I took from the Programming guidebook and a few others. If you recognize yourself, or recognize someone else, let me know and I will update the images with their names, with permission. I know some people would rather remain anonymous. Feel free to forwarding this message to others who may be interested. And if you have an online page of photos, I would love to link to them from my album. If there are any problems with either the photos or the web pages, please email me privately, and I will adjust as I can. Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 08:36:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UCauV5004965 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:36:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U7FudD021387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U7FsgL023526; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cumulus.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U7FpgL023509 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from main (dialup-135.175.220.203.acc01-geor-mor.comindico.com.au [203.220.175.135])h7U7FkFv074628 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:15:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <041001c36ec7$2d3e22e0$5990ddcb@mshome.net> From: "Ray Nevin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <445E782ED9213F40922903173696C8848B54DA@incoming.sigenetics.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:20:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Simplicyt Pattern Website/ Victorian Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whilst poking around on the simplicity website, I found some transcripts for chat sessions with "Martha McCain - the Fashion Historian" who talks about sources, ideas etc from which she created the victorian (american civil war) patterns for simplicity (and some hints on making up as well). For those who are interested http://www.simplicity.com/section/chat/martha_aug_14.htm http://www.simplicity.com/section/chat/martha_july_24.htm Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 08:48:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UCmJV5009545 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:48:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U34rdD012169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U34qN0010800; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U34oN0010742 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.137.226] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 184819738 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:04:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3F5013FC.7020501@accessus.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:03:24 -0500 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College 2003 photos References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829162429.026c80d0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw one picture where the lady had an absolutely lovely dress - and then did nothing with her hair. ;-( I don't like to put my hair up, I admit; it changes the way the weight sits on my head, and I get a neckache after a while, but I do it because the outfit looks, well, *wrong* if I don't. Karen Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi > > Ok, I admit it, I had these available a few weeks ago, and only now > got around to putting these online. I can say it is because I have a > one year old that takes up my time, but it's also because I almost > forgot about them, and I took five rolls of film! > > Costume College 2003 Photo Album: > http://www.kimiko1.com/CC2003/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 08:48:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UCmJV7009545 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:48:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U2KWdD010060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U2KUND022301; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net (remt19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7U2KRND022229 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.185.166.53] (HELO laptop) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 140266450 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:20:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c36e9d$1f45e120$35a6b944@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:19:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] gasp! wearing socks with sandals! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3181443.stm ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot BRF FOF; Guilde of St. Lawrence A room without books is like a body without a soul ---Cicero lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 12:00:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UG0UV5021502 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UFxRdD009218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UFxPXn010458; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UFxMXn010432 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19t88H-000GCh-0W; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:59:21 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:59:09 +0100 To: costume list , Kirstin Dark , Kirsty , Sarah Doyle , Debbie Lough From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] corsets and ferrets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I tried to resist, but I simply had to share this. A political sketch writer (Glasgow Herald) described trying to pin Tony Blair down to a straight answer as "like trying to fasten a corset round a buttered ferret". I leave it to your imagination how he knew! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 12:23:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGNrV5021539 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:23:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGNKdD010166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGNJXn019920; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:23:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGKGXn018686 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-010-098.jps.net ([216.119.10.98] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19t8SV-0005Us-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:20:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c36f12$dfa91340$620a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:22:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Iron Plate corsets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id h7UGNrV5021539 Status: RO I suppose most of you have seen the extant iron corset (16th or 17th c? I'm getting old my memory is going!) and read the speculation as to whether it might have been an orthopedic devise and not an everyday corset. Well, I've just come across a quote from Montaigne's Essays - 1603 mentioning "yron-plates" (not corsets though) to slender the waist. "I have seen them swallow gravell, ashes, coales, dust, tallow, candles, and for the nonce, labour and toyle themselves to spoil their stomache, only to get a pal-bleake colour. To become slender in wast, and to have a straight spangolized body, what pinching, what girding, what cingling will they no indure; yea someimtes with yron-plates, with whale-bones and other such trash..." The gravel, ashes, coals eating sounds like Pica. Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 12:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGieV5021635 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGi2dD010885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGi0Xn028253; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UGhwXn028240 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-010-098.jps.net ([216.119.10.98] helo=pavilion) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19t8pR-00014Y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c36f16$2f387a60$620a77d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c36f12$dfa91340$620a77d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Iron Plate corsets Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:45:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO oh, I guess straightening the body is included, could still be orthepedic. Has any one ever run across any references for metal being used in corsets? for this time period? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Iron Plate corsets I suppose most of you have seen the extant iron corset (16th or 17th c? I'm getting old my memory is going!) and read the speculation as to whether it might have been an orthopedic devise and not an everyday corset. Well, I've just come across a quote from Montaigne's Essays - 1603 mentioning "yron-plates" (not corsets though) to slender the waist. "I have seen them swallow gravell, ashes, coales, dust, tallow, candles, and for the nonce, labour and toyle themselves to spoil their stomache, only to get a pal-bleake colour. To become slender in wast, and to have a straight spangolized body, what pinching, what girding, what cingling will they no indure; yea someimtes with yron-plates, with whale-bones and other such trash..." The gravel, ashes, coals eating sounds like Pica. Lisa Sinervo Thrednedle Strete Clothiers www.ThrednedleStrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 14:14:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UIECV5021908 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:14:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UIDbdD015406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UIDY2T020880; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UIDV2T020852 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id h7UIDVX315649 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:13:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the design for it?" Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm just not seeing them in portraiture. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 15:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJ2RV5005556 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:02:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJ1pdD017621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJ1n77011660; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJ1i77011626 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-187.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.187] helo=pavilion) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tAyl-0007fM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c36f29$6aad7240$bb0677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:03:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO do you have a photo of your hat for comparison? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat > > I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished > doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > > My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the > design for it?" > > Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is > I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can > anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put > all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm > just not seeing them in portraiture. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 15:15:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJFoV5011130 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJFAdD018403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UJF977017174; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9405.mail.yahoo.com (web9405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7UJF277017125 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030830191502.95491.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.201.166] by web9405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:15:02 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] corsets and ferrets To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO giggle--the 'visuals' are very amusing:) thanks for sharing, Jean--- Albra Jean Waddie wrote: I tried to resist, but I simply had to share this. A political sketch writer (Glasgow Herald) described trying to pin Tony Blair down to a straight answer as "like trying to fasten a corset round a buttered ferret". I leave it to your imagination how he knew! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 16:02:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UK2SV5029260 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:02:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UK1idD020318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UK1hZg007418; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UK1dZg007370 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m142.in-tch.com [216.166.191.142]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h7UJfbI13767 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F51031F.917490FD@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:03:43 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat References: <000801c36f29$6aad7240$bb0677d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, that would help. I'm not exactly sure what Emma means by an "arched brim." --sue Lisa Sinervo wrote: > > do you have a photo of your hat for comparison? > > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat > > > > > I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished > > doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > > > > My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the > > design for it?" > > > > Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is > > I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can > > anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put > > all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm > > just not seeing them in portraiture. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 18:12:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UMCpV5008986 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UMBDdD025866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UMBA3C002885; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UMB23C002817 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-163-198-251.mn.rr.com [24.163.198.251])h7UMB0sO010862 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20030830171453.02e00850@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:16:11 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I remember seeing one recently on a woman in a miniature - I believe it is held in the V & A but IIRC, it is also post 1600. Have a look at books on British miniatures and you should be able to find it fairly easily. Cheers, Danielle At 01:13 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished >doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > >My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the >design for it?" > >Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is >I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can >anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put >all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm >just not seeing them in portraiture. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 19:31:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UNV6V5009148 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UNUNdD029162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UNUM41004778; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7UNUJ41004745 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (bb136.cvip.net [129.8.204.136]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKG005ARHADXH@shadow.csufresno.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:16:02 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat In-reply-to: X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030830161450.026db7e8@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Antivirus: avast!, Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:13 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is >I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can >anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put >all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm >just not seeing them in portraiture. Not sure if this is what you mean by arched hat, but it was what I was thinking of. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady11.jpg The lady on the far right. If you mean something else, than please share what you have been working on. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother kimiko@kimiko1.com; http://www.kimiko1.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell Graphic Intern at Costume Gallery http://www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 20:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V01XV5009198 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V00sdD000572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V00qkL015679; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V00okL015661 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id h7V00nQ381825 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat In-Reply-To: <000801c36f29$6aad7240$bb0677d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, not yet, but it's similar to those Lynn McMasters makes: http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/hatsarched.html Maybe my brim isn't quite as arched. Emma On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > do you have a photo of your hat for comparison? > > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > > > I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished > > doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > > > > My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the > > design for it?" > > > > Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is > > I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can > > anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put > > all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm > > just not seeing them in portraiture. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 20:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V024V5009203 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:02:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V01CdD000595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V01CkL015806; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V00okL015659 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id h7V00nQ381825 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat In-Reply-To: <000801c36f29$6aad7240$bb0677d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, not yet, but it's similar to those Lynn McMasters makes: http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/hatsarched.html Maybe my brim isn't quite as arched. Emma On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lisa Sinervo wrote: > do you have a photo of your hat for comparison? > > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > > > I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished > > doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > > > > My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the > > design for it?" > > > > Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is > > I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can > > anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put > > all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm > > just not seeing them in portraiture. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 20:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V0iTV5010013 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:44:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V0hqdD002655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V0hmkL002543; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V0hkkL002529 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-156.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.156] helo=pavilion) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tGJl-0006gT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:43:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c36f59$367dea60$9c0677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:45:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks like http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/morse/p64.htm or http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/morse/p96.htm Nice hat too! The hat on p96 has a rounded top though. Lisa Sinervo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat > > No, not yet, but it's similar to those Lynn McMasters makes: > http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/hatsarched.html > Maybe my brim isn't quite as arched. > > Emma > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 21:20:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1KnV5010190 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1K1dD004062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1JwiW016059; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1JkiW016019 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0373696F for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19tGsa-0005Jr-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:19:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:19:44 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emma wrote: > Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is > I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can > anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put > all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm > just not seeing them in portraiture. The only *woman* I can think of off-hand is the lower class woman in Lucas de Heere's sketch: http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=10 For men, see: http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=75 http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=42 http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=59 Yours, Kirrily/Katherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 21:28:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1SJV5010254 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:28:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1RgdD004356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1RfiW018838; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V1RciW018823 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-6-156.dav.jps.net ([216.119.6.156] helo=pavilion) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tH0D-0006MH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c36f5f$578954a0$9c0677d8@pavilion> From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:29:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Slightly better images are here http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/bulletinboard.htm with just the hats. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat > > No, not yet, but it's similar to those Lynn McMasters makes: > http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/hatsarched.html > Maybe my brim isn't quite as arched. > > Emma > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 23:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3ZlV5010664 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3XsdD010179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3XqVE003487; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3XnVE003472 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-12hc6te.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.174] helo=earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tIyL-0002CE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:33:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3F516CA3.5020409@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:33:55 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] northern US cotton mills, ca 1880-1930 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is slightly off-topic. I know that people on this list have varied interests in the textile arts and I hope someone can help. I've been working on my genealogy and in the late 19th, early 20th century most of my family worked in the cotton mills in Biddeford, Maine. Many of them immigrated from Canada where they were farmers. Can anyone recommend a good reference on these cotton mills? I've found a couple of web sites, but they are too general. While I'd like to learn all I can about this era, currently I'm most interested in the various jobs. I still haven't figured out some of the jobs listed on the 1930 US census. I do know now what doffers and jack twisters were. :-) I've inherited some of the bobbins (still full) used in the mills. History come to life, as it were. Thanks, --Charlene -- Don't use the name of the Lord in vain: Make sure whoever you're swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word. -- Raymond Lesser, 20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure which, yet) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 30 23:49:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3nSV5010688 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3mqdD010721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3mpVE009234; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V3mmVE009201 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p8-nas15.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.136] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19tJCl-0005rV-00; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:48:44 +1200 Message-ID: <006001c36f72$c47f2e50$88ceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c36f12$dfa91340$620a77d8@pavilion> <001301c36f16$2f387a60$620a77d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Iron Plate corsets Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:48:39 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > oh, I guess straightening the body is included, could still be orthepedic. > Has any one ever run across any references for metal being used in corsets? > for this time period? I know Valerie Steele did find some document of a surgeon of the 16thC who recommended iron stays for orthopaedic reasons. He also advocated using metal for limbs etc so it was really just an extention of that idea. Big chunk of text here from: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/ae/books/ch1/1153123 The Corset A Cultural History ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- By Valerie Steele Yale University Press There do exist in museum collections certain notorious iron corsets, which are usually dated to about 1580 to 1600. But were they really the first fashionable corsets? Modern scholars who have examined them tend to believe that these metal corsets were probably orthopedic devices designed to correct spinal deformities - "when they are not, as is commonly the case, fanciful 'reproductions'. There is no evidence that they were worn by women as stays." Instead, it seems that two types of corsets appeared in the sixteenth century: fashionable corsets created by tailors, which sometimes incorporated metal as well as whalebone stays, and orthopedic corsets constructed from plates of perforated metal, hinged at the sides, which were used by surgeons. Ambroise Par (c. 1510-90), a French army surgeon who became famous for reforming and modernizing the practice of surgery, described these metal corsets in his work, stating that they were used "to amend the crookednesse of the Bodie." "In order to correct and to hide such a defect, they will be made to wear iron corsets, which shall be full of holes so that they will not be so heavy, and they will be well fitted and padded so as not to hurt at all, and will be changed often if the patient ... [is] still growing." Par also suggested metal boots to straighten a crooked leg. According to him, some deformities were congenital, others the result of accidents. In addition, he believed that some girls became "hunched and deformed from having had their bodies too tightly bound," and he complained that mothers put their girls in tight clothes "with the aim of making their waists smaller." Although Par was a critic of fashionable corsetry, which he thought carried the risk of deformity by incorrect or excessive binding, he was an advocate of orthopedic corsets. Metal corsets were still sometimes recommended in the eighteenth century to correct crooked spines, although canvas stays were more commonly used (for example, by Alexander Pope); and, indeed, orthopedic corsetry continues to be used by doctors today as part of the treatment for scoliosis. Accounts and illustrations of iron corsets seem to have resulted in the production of modern replicas or forgeries, just as we see with accounts of medieval chastity belts. The Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, for example, owns a metal corset that looks suspiciously similar to the one illustrated in The Corset and the Crinoline. Madame Kayne, a fetish corsetiere of the 1930s, apparently owned a metal corset, and Cathy Jung, a modern tight-lacer, has a silver corset or, more correctly, an over-corset, since, like all such metal devices, it cannot be tightened and must be worn over a laced corset. Such oddities notwithstanding, the factual history of corsetry is interesting enough without recourse to fantasies about women imprisoned in metal corsets. hope that's of interest. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 00:16:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4GOV5010757 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:16:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4FldD012064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4FjnZ018699; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4FgnZ018646 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a (12-238-186-49.client.attbi.com[12.238.186.49](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003083104153601600202khe>; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: <049c01c36f76$86bd8fe0$31baee0c@c59303a> From: "chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c36f12$dfa91340$620a77d8@pavilion><001301c36f16$2f387a60$620a77d8@pavilion> <006001c36f72$c47f2e50$88ceadcb@michaela> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] VMA's was simplicity #5359 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beyonc wore these incredible Capri harem pants at the VMA's this week for her performance on stage where she did a short Indian intro to her number one hit single. Has anyone gotten a list of who made the costumes for some of the performers? These Capri's were beautifully embroidered with what looked like gold thread. What is the time period for this design of harem pants? Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 00:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4YSV5010801 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:34:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4V8dD012506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4V6nZ023681; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V4V1nZ023629 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.141.182c25ce (30950) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <141.182c25ce.2c82d3fd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:30:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] northern US cotton mills, ca 1880-1930 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/30/2003 8:35:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, perronnelle@earthlink.net writes: Can anyone recommend a good reference on these cotton mills? One place you might try is the National Cotton Council. Sorry I'm not more helpful. Darla (Who worked in cotton merchandising for twelve years.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 02:32:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V6WUV5011147 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:32:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V6VtdD016833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V6VreP004641; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7V6VoeP004619 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20620 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 06:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail2.inreach.com) (209.142.2.51) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 06:31:49 -0000 Received: from 12.233.12.26 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1124.12.233.12.26.1062311509.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat From: To: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished > doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: Just my two cents but....Most portraits were done indoors with a person wearing their finest clothing, right? Finding outdoor wear or more casual wear for Elizabethans would be more difficult to come by. If you can think of any outdoor hunting scenes or similar outdoor group scenes, try those. Good luck! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 05:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V9o3V5019619 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V9mSdD022339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V9mQPA007273; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V9mNPA007200 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0964.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.197]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356311A018F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F51C553.7080205@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:52:19 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was looking at some websites for patterns for a 1885 dress but I can only find seperate patterns, like a bodice pattern, skirt pattern..... And if I calculate the price for a complete dress it will cost about $90. Are there any books with patterns for dresses? At least someting less expensive than buying al those seperate patterns. I have Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion but find the patterns difficult to understand. And I foud some booktitles and I was wondering wich of those are worth buying Full-Colored Victorian Fashions Joanne Olian The History of Underclothes C. Willett Cunnington , Phillis Cunnington , Phyllis Cunnington LA Mode Illustree : Fashion Plates in Full Color Florence Leniston Metropolitan Fashions of the 1880s: From the 1885 Butterick Catalog Victorian Fashions 1880-1890 Vol 1 Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 07:49:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VBnuV5023949 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VBn4dD025698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VBn2hb016213; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.traknet.com ([64.9.82.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VBn0hb016200 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WorkingGirl ([64.9.82.190]) by mail.traknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58579U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:02:48 -0400 From: "Margaret Baird " To: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c36fb5$db9848e0$be520940@WorkingGirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200308310949.h7V9mtPC007615@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [h-cost] RE: cotton mills of New England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Charlene, I suggest that you try the American Textile History Museum 491 Dutton Street Lowell, MA 01854 Tel: 978-441-0400. Currently they do not have an e-mail address! At least not one that I could find. Good luck , Margaret Baird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 09:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VDv2V5024230 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VDuPdD029424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VDuOGG025374; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VDuLGG025365 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19tSgn-00068P-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:56:21 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:54:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a beauty in the Visual History of Costume, 16th century, p.105 - a funeral brass of "Thomas Inwood, his three wives and children, 1586". All three wives are wearing very arched-brim hats, over coifs. The text says that this style is found in lots of funeral brasses of the period. For upper classes, here's Lady Kytson, 1573: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=5554&roomid=2147 Jean Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote > >I'm nearly finished with my arched-brim hat to match my nearly finished >doublet and kirtle, and I've run into a wee snag: > >My boyfriend looked at it and said "Cool hat. Where did you get the >design for it?" > >Well, I've seen them all over, right? Everybody has one. The problem is >I can only remember seeing them on modern people in very spiff garb. Can >anyone point me at documentation for this hat? I'd hate to think I'd put >all this time and effort into a hat that's a renfaire creation, but I'm >just not seeing them in portraiture. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Emma > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 10:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VEViV5024356 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VEV4dD000721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VEV3GG006774; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VEV0GG006721 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.1ce.10330238 (3657) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ce.10330238.2c83609c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:30:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/31/2003 5:52:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > I have Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion but find the patterns difficult > to understand. > This is because, in the bustle gowns, the overskirts are draped. This is usually done by actually draping a piece of fabric on a dress dummy over the correct underpinnings. When you lay this thing out it looks very complicated. Look at the bodice and foundation skirt patterns. See they aren't too complicated....though the bodice has many pieces. It's usually the draped overskirt, with bizarre pleats and tapes tacked at certain points to pull up the skirt, that gets real confusing. A bustle IS a complicated thing, but not as bad as it looks at 1st. Try making one up in muslin...maybe 1/2 scale. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 12:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VGBfV5024768 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:11:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VFxtdD003994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VFxrqr008043; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VFxpqr008027 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tUcJ-0007P5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:59:51 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c36fd8$ef08db60$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, I didn't realize that the woman's hats got this exaggerated! I can't imagine walking around with that thing on my head! For upper classes, here's Lady Kytson, 1573: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=5554&roomid=2147 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 12:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VGxYV5024961 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:59:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VGmwdD005937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VGmvqr025979; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VGmrqr025957 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:45:53 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A64163C20104; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:45:53 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:45:53 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c36fdf$ddf13af0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F51C553.7080205@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The patterns are in two pieces because the dresses were almost always in 2 pieces! There is one pattern for a one-piece dress: http://www.pastpatterns.com/903.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:52 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? Hi, I was looking at some websites for patterns for a 1885 dress but I can only find seperate patterns, like a bodice pattern, skirt pattern..... And if I calculate the price for a complete dress it will cost about $90. Are there any books with patterns for dresses? At least someting less expensive than buying al those seperate patterns. I have Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion but find the patterns difficult to understand. And I foud some booktitles and I was wondering wich of those are worth buying Full-Colored Victorian Fashions Joanne Olian The History of Underclothes C. Willett Cunnington , Phillis Cunnington , Phyllis Cunnington LA Mode Illustree : Fashion Plates in Full Color Florence Leniston Metropolitan Fashions of the 1880s: From the 1885 Butterick Catalog Victorian Fashions 1880-1890 Vol 1 Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 13:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VHL1V5025025 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VHKSdD007083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VHKQWq007658; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VHKOWq007643 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-107-115.kc.rr.com [65.30.107.115])h7VHKMrw018115 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:20:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030831122619.00a08370@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:28:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: [h-cost] suspender parts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Was it on this list that someone was asking for parts to make men's suspenders? (If not, then just ignore the following.) If so, my Newark Dressmaker Supply catalog just came and they sell them. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 17:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLE5V5025898 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLDVdD021325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLDRCq020305; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLDNCq020272 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wonderland.com (adsl-63-202-187-77.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.187.77]) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC952F930 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:13:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] suspender parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Heather Meadows To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030831122619.00a08370@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thank you! On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > Was it on this list that someone was asking for > parts to make men's suspenders? (If not, then > just ignore the following.) > > If so, my Newark Dressmaker Supply catalog > just came and they sell them. > > Sheryl Nance-Durst > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 17:26:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLQlV5025969 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLQ9dD022230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLQ8Cq026066; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VLQ5Cr026041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7VLWUCL022749 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:32:30 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan arched brim hat Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c36fd8$ef08db60$6501a8c0@SG01> X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The answer is that they didn't _work_ in them. They wore then for special. Rather like your Grandmother (or Great-Grandmother) had her Sunday hat. Many of my southern friends remember when their mothers (50's era) always put on their hat and possibly gloves before leaving the house to go shopping or certainly out for the day. It "finished" their outfit and said they were a "lady", and not a "worker". Regina > > Wow, I didn't realize that the woman's hats got this exaggerated! I can't > imagine walking around with that thing on my head! > > For upper classes, here's Lady Kytson, 1573: > http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=5554&roomid=2147 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 18:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMBdV5026076 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMB4dD025530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMB3UW016458; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f46.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMB0UW016399 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:10:55 -0700 Received: from 151.199.129.199 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:10:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.199.129.199] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:10:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2003 22:10:55.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF7043F0:01C3700C] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 18:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMKiV5026163 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:20:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMK7dD026211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMK6UW020993; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMK1UW020943 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19taY7-0003QH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:19:55 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Early plaid? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:20:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c3700e$07a67b70$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id h7VMK1UW020943 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There have been some plaids found as far away as China-they were found on 'white' (as opposed to Asian mummies). I don't remember how old they were...but I think they were earlier. I was surprised to find some plaids and checks on Flemish men's 'pants'. It was a little later and the artists depiction of them were 'loose', where as the realism in the rest of the painting was more definite, in this painting it looked as if they had been put in in a hurry. I know there are others on this list with stronger textile backgrounds and will be able to provide more specific dates. I think in general though the checks and plaids were an easy extension of stripes in the weaving process and were fairly ubiquitous. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Kiel Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 18:38:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMc3V5026216 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:38:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMbVdD027549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMbTUW029637; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMbRUW029615 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:34:51 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A80B709900C8; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:34:51 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:34:50 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Early plaid? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c37010$90dd8490$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-185-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.185.234] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know how popular they were in the 1400's, but plaids have existed since at least 2000 BC Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Kiel Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 18:53:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMrWV5026287 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMqudD028608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMqtUW006282; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VMqpUW006255 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27578 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:14:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:14:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Nancy Kiel wrote: > In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of > Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to > have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so > could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in > other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. I don't know if you're looking at an online version (which is likely to be misleading) but if you can get your hands on a very good print, you'll see that the lining is fur, and the squarish design comes from the pattern of the pelts that make up the fur. This is a pretty standard way of depicting certain furs made up of rows of two-toned small pelts, and it's not the first time I've heard someone say the pattern looked like plaid or checks, especially in an online version or a poor reproduction. In the right wing of that same painting, in the part depicting the sacrament of marriage, you can see the bride has sleeves lined with the same sort of fur, and there's a tiny line at her hem showing the stripey pattern. That triptych is loaded with wonderful costume details -- seams for grande assiette sleeves on a youth, V-necks with lacing showing, wonderful stuff. Some details are deliberately "foreign" or allegorical, particularly on major characters, but many of the minor figures appear to be good representations. I saw the painting in Brussels but took only a few photos, I think because it was positioned or lit in such a way as to make photographing awkward that day. But I have some great art-book reproductions that show as much as my camera would have caught. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 19:32:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNWuV5026437 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNWKdD001374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNWJDH024163; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9402.mail.yahoo.com (web9402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7VNWGDH024140 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20030831233216.47724.qmail@web9402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.201.166] by web9402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:32:16 PDT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: RE: [h-cost] Early plaid? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001801c3700e$07a67b70$6501a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a bit of a surprise the first time I examined closely the fabric on the Spanish Infanta Clara Eugenia's white and gold spanish , in the portrait by Soponisba Anguissola in the Prado --dated 1578. It looks to be a white on white woven plaid:) Albra "Saragrace T. Knauf" wrote: There have been some plaids found as far away as China-they were found on 'white' (as opposed to Asian mummies). I don't remember how old they were...but I think they were earlier. I was surprised to find some plaids and checks on Flemish men's 'pants'. It was a little later and the artists depiction of them were 'loose', where as the realism in the rest of the painting was more definite, in this painting it looked as if they had been put in in a hurry. I know there are others on this list with stronger textile backgrounds and will be able to provide more specific dates. I think in general though the checks and plaids were an easy extension of stripes in the weaving process and were fairly ubiquitous. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Kiel Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumeme@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 19:50:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNotV5026522 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNoIdD002817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNoHDH002680; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7VNoDDI002639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7VNudCL022683 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:56:40 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Early plaid? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:51:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was just going through pictures taken in Pisa about 15 years ago. There are a series of scenes painted in the 1400's showing the results of the black death. In one scene is a man lying on his back with his soul (baby) coming out of his mouth. He is wearing a cream and shades of brown plaid, not check, long outfit (gown). This is definitely not a check, nor is it fur. I think I can scan it in if necessary. Also, in the upper left section of the set of paintings by Lorenzetti, Ambrogio (Italian, approx. 1285-1348) scenes from the Life of St. Nicholas, you will see a man who looks as though he has a plaid gown with a "Robin Hood" hat on (the remastered cut of the Errol Flynn Robin Hood is presently playing here in Portland and the influence is leaking into my computer :-) There isn't any "secret" to weaving plaid (as we presently call the fabric in the US). It doesn't seem to have been particularly popular in clothing for aristocrats. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:14 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? > > > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Nancy Kiel wrote: > > > In Rogier van der Weyden's Crucifixtion in a Church, c 1445, center of > > Altar of the Seven Sacraments, the woman behind the cross appears to > > have a "plaid" lining to her over-dress. (The plaid is very open, so > > could be considered a check?) Has anyone seen anything similar in > > other paintings? I always associate plaids with Scotland, of course. > > I don't know if you're looking at an online version (which is likely to be > misleading) but if you can get your hands on a very good print, you'll see > that the lining is fur, and the squarish design comes from the pattern of > the pelts that make up the fur. This is a pretty standard way of depicting > certain furs made up of rows of two-toned small pelts, and it's not the > first time I've heard someone say the pattern looked like plaid or checks, > especially in an online version or a poor reproduction. > > In the right wing of that same painting, in the part depicting the > sacrament of marriage, you can see the bride has sleeves lined with the > same sort of fur, and there's a tiny line at her hem showing the stripey > pattern. > > That triptych is loaded with wonderful costume details -- seams for grande > assiette sleeves on a youth, V-necks with lacing showing, wonderful stuff. > Some details are deliberately "foreign" or allegorical, particularly on > major characters, but many of the minor figures appear to be good > representations. I saw the painting in Brussels but took only a few > photos, I think because it was positioned or lit in such a way as to make > photographing awkward that day. But I have some great art-book > reproductions that show as much as my camera would have caught. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 20:21:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h810LjV5026640 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h810L4dD005498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h810L3AK018366; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.istop.com (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h810KlAK018264 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eggnog (skud.ott.istop.com [66.11.173.11]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FC2369A2 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19tcR2-0006dq-00 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:20:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? In-Reply-To: <001801c3700e$07a67b70$6501a8c0@SG01> References: <001801c3700e$07a67b70$6501a8c0@SG01> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:20:44 -0400 Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > There have been some plaids found as far away as China-they were found on > 'white' (as opposed to Asian mummies). I don't remember how old they > were...but I think they were earlier. Bronze age. The mummies were found in the Tarim basin, along the silk road, and there are a couple of books about them. One (with pretty good colour pictures) is by Elizabeth Wayland Barber... I know Amazon knows about it so you can search for it there if you need more details. > I know there are others on this list with stronger textile backgrounds and > will be able to provide more specific dates. I think in general though the > checks and plaids were an easy extension of stripes in the weaving process > and were fairly ubiquitous. As far as I know, yes. I know there are a number of prehistoric plaids, and that they can be found in various cultures during the middle ages (including Italian and middle eastern, but interestingly enough probably not scottish). K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 21:46:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h811kkV5027048 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h811ivdD009162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h811iudu024212; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h811iqdv024165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 19tdoU-0001HM-HC; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:49:02 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 19tdl2-0000CY-00; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:45:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:45:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Kim Baird Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? In-Reply-To: <000001c36fdf$ddf13af0$0201a8c0@kimathlon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "'Historical Costume'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This polonaise dress is also fun for the 1880's and really super easy to make (except for the ruffles on the skirt, they take a long time, but you can leave them off). I've made it several times (I also have an original 1880's pattern that is almost identical to this with just an apron front not split front overskirt that I've made too). http://www.pastpatterns.com/904.html Katy On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Kim Baird wrote: >The patterns are in two pieces because the dresses were almost always in >2 pieces! > >There is one pattern for a one-piece dress: >http://www.pastpatterns.com/903.html > >Kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:52 AM >To: H-Costume >Subject: [h-cost] 1885 dress pattern? Books? > > Hi, > >I was looking at some websites for patterns for a 1885 dress but I can >only find seperate patterns, like a bodice pattern, skirt pattern..... >And if I calculate the price for a complete dress it will cost about >$90. >Are there any books with patterns for dresses? >At least someting less expensive than buying al those seperate patterns. >I have Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion but find the patterns difficult > >to understand. > >And I foud some booktitles and I was wondering wich of those are worth >buying > >Full-Colored Victorian Fashions >Joanne Olian > >The History of Underclothes > >C. Willett Cunnington >uthor=Cunnington%2C%20C.%20Willett/103-5524798-1515819>, >Phillis Cunnington >uthor=Cunnington%2C%20Phillis/103-5524798-1515819>, >Phyllis Cunnington >uthor=Cunnington%2C%20Phyllis/103-5524798-1515819> > > >LA Mode Illustree : Fashion Plates in Full Color > >Florence Leniston > >Metropolitan Fashions of the 1880s: From the 1885 Butterick Catalog > >Victorian Fashions 1880-1890 Vol 1 > > >Greetings, > Deredere >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 31 23:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h813ufV5027674 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:56:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h813spdD014146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h813smvG013018; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h813skvG012967 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id 6.198.1f172183 (30970) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <198.1f172183.2c841cfc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:54:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/31/2003 6:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: > I don't know how popular they were in the 1400's, but plaids have > existed since at least 2000 BC > That's kinda what I was guessing....I mean it being a simple idea and a pattern that can be made by a simple weave. The surprising thing is why they aren't MORE popular than they seem to have been. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 1 01:20:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h815K2V5028078 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h815IZdD017914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h815IYPT014290; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h815IUPT014224 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h814wRI25244 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3F52D722.61D78BD8@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:20:34 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early plaid? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And there's at least one piece of plaid (a sleeve? book is living at a friend's house at the moment) in the MoL Textiles book--IIRC, some of the color was from madder? --sue Wanda Pease wrote: > > I was just going through pictures taken in Pisa about 15 years ago. There > are a series of scenes painted in the 1400's showing the results of the > black death. In one scene is a man lying on his back with his soul (baby) > coming out of his mouth. He is wearing a cream and shades of brown plaid, > not check, long outfit (gown). This is definitely not a check, nor is it > fur. I think I can scan it in if necessary. Also, in the upper left > section of the set of paintings by Lorenzetti, Ambrogio (Italian, approx. > 1285-1348) scenes from the Life of St. Nicholas, you will see a man who > looks as though he has a plaid gown with a "Robin Hood" hat on (the > remastered cut of the Errol Flynn Robin Hood is presently playing here in > Portland and the influence is leaking into my computer :-) > > There isn't any "secret" to weaving plaid (as we presently call the fabric > in the US). It doesn't seem to have been particularly popular in clothing > for aristocrats. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume